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[12:24] <sbalneav> ray_: What do you mean, open /usr/lib?
[12:24] <ray_> sb got it
[12:24] <ray_> sb is YamiPod good on lunix for ipod on edubuntu
[12:24] <Burgundavia> ray_: you can use Banshee
[12:24] <ray_> had to copy file there for it need room to get there
[12:25] <sbalneav> Dunno, I don't have an ipod :)
[12:25] <ray_> bur is YamiPod good i heard it is
[12:25] <ray_> bur you used YamiPod good
[12:26] <ray_> bur will get it
[12:26] <Burgundavia> I don't own an Ipod either
[12:26] <Burgundavia> evil things
[12:26] <ray_> but want to try YamiPod
[12:27] <ray_> is edubuntu good
[12:27] <ray_> for school and college user
[12:27] <Burgundavia> absolutely
[12:28] <Burgundavia> then again, we might just be biased :)
[12:28] <ray_> burg na i love
[12:28] <ray_> it were can all the edubuntu stuff thats not in there as installer for school and college
[12:28] <ray_> might need at to get
[12:29] <ray_> i like it
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[07:17] <sbalneav> Night all
[07:17] <Burgundavia> cya sbalneav
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[08:28] <encompass> ls
[08:28] <encompass> hehe oops
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[11:11] <patxi> Hi all,
[11:12] <patxi> I'd just installed Edubuntu 7.04 in the server. And modified 'dchpd,conf' file as explained in http://www.edubuntu.org/GettingStarted.
[11:12] <patxi> Thin client boots with PXE, shows GDM login, but user can't login even username and passwords are correct.
[11:13] <patxi> The 'clock' is cycling, and looks like thin clients does not send username/password to server,
[11:14] <patxi> because there is not answer from server
[11:15] <patxi> Any suggest?
[11:18] <cynics> ogra: if people choose other languages using language-selector in edubuntu, will it install language-pack-kde-XX too?
[11:30] <ogra> patxi, see the bold text that the top of the gettingstarted page ...
[11:30] <ogra> thats *only* for dapper
[11:31] <ogra> patxi, beyond that, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EdubuntuFAQ
[11:31] <ogra> cynics, it should, if its not doing that, its a bug
[11:31] <cynics> ogra: bug #128236
[11:32] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 128236 in Ubuntu "Edubuntu (Feisty) install uses uncomplete Chinese font" [Undecided,Invalid]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/128236
[11:32] <cynics> ogra: I've marked as invalid
[11:33] <ogra> hmm, well, its a valid complaint, we dont have all fonts on the liveCD during development ... (i.e. gutsy)_
[11:34] <ogra> ususally we only have english on the milestones CDs and add langs at the ed of the dev cycle as space permits
[11:34] <cynics> ogra: only provide localized cd can solve these issues :)
[11:35] <ogra> or dropping stuff
[11:35] <ogra> its just a space issue
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[11:35] <sahil> i'm trying to convince a school to switch to linux their biggest argument is that the rest of the marketplace uses ms products how do you guys think i can deal with tis?
[11:35] <ogra> chinese is particualry evil in this respect beacues you need all the input methods
[11:35] <ogra> so chinese is the last thing we'd add indeed
[11:36] <cynics> ogra: no, just one is ok for simplified chinese users
[11:37] <ogra> right
[11:37] <ogra> one > zero
[11:37] <ogra> ;)
[11:37] <cynics> :)
[11:37] <ogra> its some extra space
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[11:38] <cynics> ogra: we have a project that using edubuntu in a primary school in china now, and they wanna a better supportted edubuntu release :)
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[11:39] <sahil> ogra!
[11:39] <sahil> so you cohabitate in here
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[12:02] <patxi> ogra: even i'd run sudo ltsp-update-sshkeys user can't login from thin client
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[12:32] <patxi> ogra, thanks I've have to go
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[02:45] <multik> hi everyone
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[03:09] <sbalneav> Morning all
[03:09] <sbalneav> ogra: ICMP ECHO REQUEST
[03:32] <jinty> ogra: there's a schooltool weekly meeting on now
[03:32] <jinty> should I tell them something about the packages?
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[03:37] <ari_stress> hello... do you know what log can i use to troubleshoot client cannot login to ltsp5?
[03:38] <sbalneav> ari_stress: yes.
[03:38] <sbalneav> Have you set a root password in your chroot?
[03:39] <sbalneav> first off, have you done a sudo ltsp-update-sshkeys?
[03:39] <ari_stress> hello sbalneav
[03:39] <ari_stress> i guess i have, because it's previously working, until i install kubundu-desktop on it
[03:40] <sbalneav> Ah.  Well, can you log in on the server?
[03:40] <ari_stress> yes i can, from the server itself
[03:40] <sbalneav> ok
[03:40] <sbalneav> Well, simplest will be to check ldm's log
[03:40] <sbalneav> chroot /opt/ltsp/i386
[03:40] <ari_stress> when i try to logon from the client using CLI, the respon was login incorrect
[03:41] <sbalneav> Well, you'll never be able to do that untill you set a password in the chroot.
[03:41] <ari_stress> ok i've chroot
[03:41] <ari_stress> then ?
[03:41] <sbalneav> passwd
[03:41] <sbalneav> that will set a root password in the chroot
[03:41] <ari_stress> ok done
[03:41] <ari_stress> then
[03:42] <sbalneav> then you should be able to login as "root" and the password you typed in on the ctl-alt-f1 on the client.
[03:42] <sbalneav> then have a look at /var/log/ldm.log
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[03:42] <ari_stress> yes i can logon as root now
[03:42] <ari_stress> how can i logon as ordinary user? should I create each user?
[03:43] <cberlo> Hi folks.  Got a (hopefully) small question:  is there a way to keep my nosy little students from browsing the entire file system?
[03:43] <sbalneav> ari_stress: You'd never really want to do that.  You're logged in on the terminal itself, not the server.
[03:43] <ari_stress> i'm using ldap as the authentication, previously when i was using ubuntu-desktop, i can logon from client using the ldap database
[03:44] <ari_stress> then after install kubuntu-desktop. cannot login
[03:44] <ari_stress> is there any step i must do after installing any packages?
[03:45] <sbalneav> I'm assuming you installed kubuntu desktop on the server, right?  Not in the chroot?
[03:45] <ari_stress> yes on the server.
[03:45] <ari_stress> what happen if i install on the chroot?
[03:46] <sbalneav> cberlo: Not really.  Linux like operating systems with proper security don't stop you from looking at things, but seeing as how they can't hurt anything, there's no harm.
[03:46] <sbalneav> Besides, if they're looking at things, that means you've peaked their interest, and they're learning.  That's a good thing for students :)
[03:46] <ari_stress> yes :)
[03:46] <cberlo> sbalneav: Thanks.  I assumed as much, but there is one issue I need to resolve:  when browsing, they can fire up any program they want (like gnome-terminal) and I don't want them to have access to that.
[03:47] <sbalneav> cberlo: Ah, well what you want is pessellus.
[03:47] <sbalneav> It's a lockdown edor
[03:47] <cberlo> Yes, but what I also want is to use the xfce4 environment, so is pessulus still an option?
[03:47] <sbalneav> hmm
[03:48] <sbalneav> not so much then :)
[03:48] <sbalneav> Simplest would be (gross, but workable) to change the perms on gnome-terminal/xterm etc.
[03:48] <ari_stress> where is the ldm log sbalneav?
[03:49] <sbalneav> They're owned by root, so chmod 700 should make them inaccessible to all but root.
[03:49] <sbalneav> that's really ick, though.
[03:49] <cberlo> I'll have to play with it and see if pessulus helps.  If the gconf stuff still kicks in, it may still apply.  And I've thought of the perms approach, but that has to be reset every time the affected apps get updated.
[03:49] <sbalneav> ari_stress: /var/log
[03:49] <sbalneav> yeah, that's why it's ick :)
[03:49] <cliebow_> i dont think it is ick..
[03:50] <ari_stress> sbalneav: there's no any log named ldm in /var/log
[03:50] <cberlo> Scripts have become my best friend with this project, but with the increasing scope I keep getting, keeping things manageable by anyone but me could be an issue.
[03:50] <sbalneav> ari_stress: No?
[03:50] <sbalneav> wierd.
[03:50] <ari_stress> sbalneav: yes, strange?
[03:50] <cberlo> cliebow_: suggestions?
[03:50] <ari_stress> i'm using feisty
[03:50] <ari_stress> ltsp5
[03:51] <cliebow_> cberlo:i can try it in xfce
[03:51] <sbalneav> ari_stress: Well, here's a quick test you can try.
[03:51] <sbalneav> ssh -l username serverip
[03:51] <cberlo> Also, is there a standard way to create directories under /var/run?  I've added a couple lines to bootmisc.sh, but I'd like to stay fairly standard...
[03:51] <cberlo> cliebow_: Thanks.
[03:52] <sbalneav> see if you can login without getting the "are you shure you want to connect" message.
[03:52] <cliebow_> oh heck..wrong 'puter..
[03:52] <ari_stress> sbalneav: from my ordinary notebook? or from the server itself?
[03:53] <sbalneav> cberlo: it's usually /var/run/<program name>, but so long as it doesn't conflict with something else, anything goes.
[03:53] <cliebow_> cberlo, it'll be a while..i hosed my xubuntu hard drive
[03:53] <sbalneav> ari_stress: from the root login on the terminal.
[03:53] <cberlo> sbalneav: and using the /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh script should be an acceptable location to make the directory I want?
[03:53] <cberlo> cliebow_: No probs.  Thanks anyway.  I'll play with it in the VM I've got here.
[03:54] <sbalneav> cberlo: umm, I think /etc/rc.local would be the better bet, I'm guessing.  But I'm not 100% up on my Debian policy, so some experimentation might be in order :)
[03:54] <ari_stress> i've been asked are you sure you want to connect....
[03:55] <sbalneav> ari_stress: then you don't have the right ssh keys in the chroot.
[03:55] <sbalneav> sudo ltsp-update-sshkeys.
[03:55] <cberlo> sbalneav: That was my initial preference, too -- but for some reason (although I have another script that fires up without issue from that file!) it doesn't create my directory at boot.
[03:56] <sbalneav> cberlo: You might have to activate rc.local in the /etc/rc2.d
[03:56] <ogra> sbalneav, ICMP ECHO REPLY
[03:56] <sbalneav> I don't think it's on by default
[03:56] <sbalneav> Morning ogra!!!!!
[03:56] <ogra> sbalneav, what the heck is the cancel button for ?
[03:56] <sbalneav> back home from Portland?
[03:56] <cliebow_> ogra!!
[03:56] <ogra> morning :)
[03:56] <ogra> yep
[03:57] <ogra> relaxed the whole weekend .... the return filght was horrible
[03:57] <sbalneav> ogra: lets say user gets halfway logged in, then wants to just restart.
[03:57] <sbalneav> Or do we not want that?
[03:57] <ogra> ctrl-alt-backspace
[03:57] <sbalneav> ah
[03:57] <sbalneav> that works too :)
[03:57] <ari_stress> YESSS!!!! it did it sbalneav!! i guess installing kubuntu-desktop erased the keys!!
[03:57] <sbalneav> ok, I'll yank it out :)
[03:57] <cberlo> sbalneav: It's on.  Had a script kicking off from it before.  Odd.  I should just rebuild my server, I'm thinking...  probably less work.  :)
[03:57] <ari_stress> sbalneav: thank you so much!! :)
[03:57] <ogra> if you urgently want it, make it optional
[03:57] <cberlo> Hi ogra.
[03:57] <ogra> hey cberlo
[03:58] <ogra> sbalneav, apart from that, it crashes my via xserver on the T170
[03:58] <ogra> the trident of the T150 works fine though
[03:58] <sbalneav> No, nothing urgent.   Oh, quite possibly.
[03:58] <sbalneav> which, ldm does?
[03:58] <sbalneav> or the cancel button does?
[03:58] <ogra> i guess the new greeter exposes an X bug that was thee before but not triggered
[03:59] <cberlo> ogra: One year in, and I've still got permission to play with LTSP.  Installation has grown from 3 users to over 45, so far.  Not bad growth, but I'm still not running things in the "standard" LDM mode...
[03:59] <ari_stress> ogra, sbalneav, then it's officially 90% done. I've setup Ubuntu+LTSP5+LDAPAuth+DynamicDNS :)
[03:59] <ogra> the cancel button doesnt respawn ... apart from that it does wat it should ...
[03:59] <ari_stress> thank you, i'll post something about this on the wiki if i may?
[03:59] <ogra> i mean the X session on the T170 here starts but locks up hard during init
[03:59] <ogra> tha didnt happen with the last ldm code i had in gutsy
[04:02] <ogra> sbalneav, btw new ldm sexy++
[04:03] <ogra> :D
[04:04] <sbalneav> Hm
[04:04] <sbalneav> Glad you like the ldm
[04:04] <ogra> i do :)
[04:04] <sbalneav> We'll have to fix that lockup though
[04:04] <ogra> i really suspect its the X server
[04:05] <ogra> i'll play with it now
[04:05] <sbalneav> Did you see the nice message for bad passwords?
[04:05] <ogra> yep
[04:05] <sbalneav> And the message now for when sshkeys are bad.
[04:05] <sbalneav> THAT's going to save us some work.
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[04:05] <ogra> ah, havent seen that yet
[04:06] <ogra> i guess with some code to fill host, lang and session windows and some fine tuning of the ui we're done for gutsy :)
[04:07] <sbalneav> Yes!
[04:07] <sbalneav> Final stretch
[04:07] <ogra> i want to switch most of the gnome hacks to ldm rc scripts as well
[04:07] <ogra> i.e. screensaver only accepting blanking ...
[04:07] <sbalneav> i18n!
[04:07] <ogra> no suspend/hibernate
[04:08] <ogra> right
[04:08] <sbalneav> How do I mark which strings for translation!
[04:08] <ogra> we need to add gettext t the headers
[04:08] <ogra> the strings in the greeter should all be translatable
[04:08] <ogra> just missing some intltool stuff i guess
[04:08] <sbalneav> no, not all of them are.
[04:09] <ogra> oh ?
[04:09] <sbalneav> The bits where we interact with ssh, where I set LANG=C
[04:09] <ari_stress> hmm strange, previously before installing kubuntu-desktop client can shutdown the server, but now they cannot, which is VERY GOOD :) i wonder why
[04:09] <ogra> ah, thats fine
[04:09] <ogra> just done prefix them with _(
[04:09] <ogra> *dont
[04:09] <sbalneav> Oh, is that what I do?
[04:09] <ogra> no idea
[04:09] <ogra> but such strings will be in the pot file thats used as translation base
[04:10] <sbalneav> Is there a "i18n for dummies" guide out there somewhere?
[04:10] <ogra> i think there is something n the gnome docs
[04:10] <sbalneav> For dumb*ss North Americans like me who don't know bupkiss? :)
[04:10] <ogra> http://developer.gnome.org/doc/tutorials/gnome-i18n/developer.html
[04:11] <ogra> http://www.gnome.org/~malcolm/i18n/
[04:11] <sbalneav> thx
[04:11] <sbalneav> I'll poke through those.
[04:12] <sbalneav> I'm pretty happy with gutsy's LTSP.
[04:12] <sbalneav> I think it's gonna wow 'em
[04:12] <ogra> essentially we only need
[04:12] <ogra> #define _( gettext(String)
[04:12] <ogra> or some such
[04:13] <ogra> #define _(String) gettext(String)
[04:13] <ogra> rather :)
[04:13] <sbalneav> Although, according to that one user on ltsp-discuss, I have "attitude" :)
[04:13] <ogra> the rest is done in the packaging anyway
[04:13] <sbalneav> I'm such a troublemaker :)
[04:13] <ogra> heh
[04:14] <multik> hi ogra
[04:15] <ogra> hey multik
[04:15] <sbalneav> brb
[04:15] <multik> I heard you got your hands on few thin clients ;)
[04:15] <cliebow_> sbalneav, i saw that 8~
[04:16] <cliebow_> brb
[04:16] <multik> and I also heard that someone is cleaning that tarball :)
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[04:16] <ogra> multik, yep and Q-Funk had soma suggestion about the etherboot image creation, need to test that
[04:17] <ogra> multik, which tarball ?
[04:17] <multik> yes, it would be splendid if you could.
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[04:17] <multik> Umm, Q-Funk told me about that tarball, no idea what though, sorry.
[04:17] <ogra> heh
[04:17] <ogra> no idea either
[04:17] <ogra> i'll do some testing this week
[04:17] <multik> I'm wondering if what ever you are doing to fix that thin client boot issue will be fixed in Oct Edubuntu release
[04:18] <ogra> for now i have to merge scotts new ldm stuff
[04:18] <ogra> dont worry we'll get it fixed or at least get a howto out with workarounds if there are unfixable issues
[04:18] <multik> oh, that would be great dude.
[04:19] <ogra> but i'm pretty confident it will be fine for gutsy
[04:33] <ogra> sbalneav, hmmm ... now my T150 locked up as well (without any login just sitting at the greeter for 20 min or so)
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[05:11] <sbalneav> ogra: That's bad.
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[05:11] <ogra> it didnt happen again yet
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[05:27] <sbalneav> ogra: Did you see I addressed a couple of other bugs, pitti's one in particular?
[05:28] <ogra> the sound thing ?
[05:28] <ogra> yes, thanks
[05:28] <ogra> but i want to replace that by an ldm rc scrit as well anyway :)
[05:28] <ogra> we dont need any of that server sided stuff anymore if it comes to settings in the session :)
[05:29] <ogra> hmm
[05:29] <ogra> the e2300 crashes as well
[05:29] <ogra> even though it doesnt hardlock
[05:29] <ogra> hmm, or does it ?
[05:31] <sbalneav> Wonder if it's the cancel button.
[05:32] <sbalneav> What happens if you revert that change?
[05:32] <_MetaLMilitiA_> hi all!
[05:33] <ogra> well
[05:33] <ogra> it doesnt crash showing the greeter
[05:33] <ogra> it dies if the session is half way started
[05:33] <ogra> on the 170 it then hardlocks
[05:33] <ogra> on the e2300 the X session dies
[05:33] <ogra> oh, and it hardlocks (had to test that again)
[05:34] <ogra> i wonder if we're missing a gfree or something
[05:34] <sbalneav> possibly.
[05:35] <ogra> but i cant see anything in the code
[05:35] <sbalneav> Have you been able to log in AT ALL? or just some boxes hang?
[05:35] <sbalneav> I'm wondering if your ssh is sending back different strings than mine :(
[05:35] <ogra> i can log in fine on the T150
[05:35] <sbalneav> hm
[05:36] <ogra> the e2300 shows me an unthemed desktop and before g-s-d kicks in X dies
[05:37] <ogra> hmm
[05:37] <ogra> i wonder if it breaks because we're missing host.png
[05:38] <ogra> even though i'd expect it to break earlier because of that
[05:39] <sbalneav> Should have a host.png
[05:39] <sbalneav> I added one to the repo.
[05:39] <ogra> nope
[05:39] <sbalneav> no?
[05:39] <ogra> bzr added it ?
[05:39] <sbalneav> yeah
[05:39] <ogra> hmm
[05:39] <ogra> not in my tree
[05:40] <sbalneav> In mine at work.  I did a bzr pull this morning, and it sucked it down.
[05:40] <ogra> oh, wait
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[05:40] <ogra> pixmaps != themes
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[05:41] <ogra> hmm, thats messy
[05:42] <sbalneav> What happens if you manually copy it in the right place.
[05:42] <ogra> should work
[05:42] <sbalneav> Maybe I botched something on the auto* stuff to add that in.
[05:42] <ogra> but that we have themes (containing pixmaps) and pixmaps (for the default theme) is a mess
[05:43] <sbalneav> Ohh, also, I can't seem to do a dpkg-buildpackage any more
[05:43] <ogra> i built it with the tree
[05:43] <ogra> worked fine so far
[05:43] <sbalneav> It complains about fields not being colon separated, or something.
[05:43] <ogra> (note that you need to: debian/rules bzr-release)
[05:44] <sbalneav> ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
[05:44] <ogra> (and bump the changelog entry)
[05:44] <ogra> with a bzr commit
[05:44] <sbalneav> ok
[05:44] <sbalneav> I'll try that later.
[05:44] <ogra> debian/ldm.install has:
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[05:44] <ogra> client/ldmgtkgreet/themes usr/share/ldm/
[05:44] <ogra> client/ldmgtkgreet/pixmaps/*.png usr/share/ldm/themes/ubuntu
[05:45] <ogra> i need to copy it into the theme dirs
[05:45] <ogra> we should better get rid of the pixmaps dir and only use the thems dir... but that gets tricky in the autofoo
[06:03] <_MetaLMilitiA_> how i can boot 16 mb machines??? how i can strech initramfs to boot those machines??
[06:05] <ogra> you cant
[06:05] <_MetaLMilitiA_> :(
[06:05] <ogra> the kernel alone needs more (24 i think)
[06:05] <ogra> i managed to boot 28M clients with gutsy with some tricks
[06:06] <ogra> but below that nothing will be possible
[06:06] <_MetaLMilitiA_> we want to install edubuntu in chilean classrooms
[06:06] <ogra> for feisty its still at least 48M
[06:06] <_MetaLMilitiA_> but the clients are very old :(
[06:09] <_MetaLMilitiA_> it's possible to run ltsp 4.2 on edubuntu??
[06:09] <ogra> 16M wont work with 4.2 either
[06:09] <_MetaLMilitiA_> ltsp 4.2 requires less ram i guess
[06:09] <ogra> i think that needs 32 at least
[06:09] <_MetaLMilitiA_> :(
[06:09] <ogra> where we neeed 48
[06:09] <ogra> get some ram
[06:10] <ogra> i guess thats your only way ...
[06:10] <ogra> even if you would make that boot it wouldnt be fun
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[06:15] <_MetaLMilitiA_> mmm...we are using k12ltsp actually but we want to migrate to ubuntu
[06:16] <_MetaLMilitiA_> what is the big difference of edubuntu vs k12??
[06:16] <ogra> ltsp5
[06:16] <ogra> http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/Ltsp5
[06:16] <_MetaLMilitiA_> ok
[06:17] <ogra> ltsp 4.x isnt developed anymore since 2 years
[06:17] <_MetaLMilitiA_> so if i install ltsp 4.2 on edubuntu this should work?
[06:17] <ogra> it wont be integrated at all, but might work
[06:17] <ogra> but it wont boot 16M clients
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[06:18] <ogra> and it wont be upgradeable or security supported indeed
[06:18] <_MetaLMilitiA_> why?? mi machines with 16MB on k12ltsp are booting right now
[06:18] <ogra> with a recent k12 ?
[06:18] <ogra> with 2.6 kernel etc ?
[06:19] <_MetaLMilitiA_> nop, it's 4.2 k12
[06:19] <ogra> a 2.6 kernel needs more than 16M to unpack already
[06:20] <ogra> you can do a lot fiddling in the initramfs (i.e. mount nbd swap from the server from a file in tmpfs to extend ram)
[06:20] <ogra> but you need the space the kernel needs to uncompress and to run the initramfs
[06:20] <ogra> thats likely over 20M
[06:20] <_MetaLMilitiA_> mmm...so i have to install a 2.4 kernel + ltsp 4.2 on edubuntu to work???
[06:21] <ogra> yes, but be aware that anything might break ... thats a totally unsupported and untested setup
[06:22] <_MetaLMilitiA_> :o
[06:22] <ogra> (actually you are the first person asking about less than 24M in my two years of ltsp work i'm doing)
[06:23] <_MetaLMilitiA_> :P
[06:23] <_MetaLMilitiA_> we are from chile, we work in the edulinux proyect
[06:23] <_MetaLMilitiA_> project :P
[06:23] <ogra> so is there no way for you to upgrade the HW ?
[06:24] <ogra> it will really be no fun to care for a setup you are aiming for
[06:25] <_MetaLMilitiA_> the chilean's gov bought ram 1 year ago.. but many clients are 16 MB with this upgrade
[06:26] <ogra> well, 16M is definately to less ofr any recent software version
[06:27] <_MetaLMilitiA_> the problem it's that edulinux doesn't have a plataform to support upgrades and bugs...by the way edubuntu have it. that's the reason because we want to migrate to edubuntu
[06:27] <ogra> i understand
[06:27] <ogra> but still
[06:28] <ogra> ltsp5 never supported less than 48M (gutsy will drop that to 28 in october) ltsp 4.2 in its last release defaulted to a 2.6.18 kernel which surely needs more than 16M to even boot
[06:30] <ogra> and the last ltsp 4.2 release was 2 years ago
[06:32] <_MetaLMilitiA_> :(
[06:35] <_MetaLMilitiA_> well...i think that buy more ram is the only solution
[06:35] <_MetaLMilitiA_> and wait to gusty
[06:35] <_MetaLMilitiA_> gutsy
[06:36] <_MetaLMilitiA_> thanks for your help
[06:36] <ogra> get the HW half way up to date and plan for the future :) ram requirements wont drop but raise  ...
[06:36] <ogra> try to get a decent ram upgrade so you dont need to do it for the next two years (i.e. 64M)
[06:38] <_MetaLMilitiA_> ;)
[06:38] <ogra> for such old systems you should be able to get ram on ebay for nearly no money
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[09:20] <Raiden329> aze you name stealer!!!!!!
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[09:27] <aze> yep ?
[09:28] <aze> sorry, have just read
[09:29] <aze> for information, i'm register, not him :p
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[09:35] <Wrinkliez> hey i tried to install this, but it said job control not found
[09:35] <Wrinkliez> can someone help plz?
[09:35] <Wrinkliez> it seems like a common problem
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[09:48] <ray_> hi any one here
[09:48] <ray_> !ask
[09:48] <ubotu> Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
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[09:58] <Fuzz> x_x
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[10:05] <sbalneav> Afternoon all
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[10:13] <Wrinkliez> anyone out there for support?
[10:15] <sbalneav> Yep
[10:15] <sbalneav> What's up
[10:16] <Wrinkliez> hi :) I tried to install edbuntu and give linux a shot, and when I tried to install it said cannot acces tty job control not found
[10:16] <Wrinkliez> :/
[10:16] <sbalneav> This is on what, booting up the live cd?
[10:17] <Wrinkliez> yea
[10:17] <sbalneav> What kind of machine is this you're trying to boot on?
[10:18] <Wrinkliez> do you mean desktop? or the specs?
[10:18] <sbalneav> Specs, what brand, cpu, how much memory, etc.
[10:18] <Wrinkliez> ah
[10:18] <Wrinkliez> hold on
[10:22] <Wrinkliez> AMD Athlon(tm) XP 1800+ 1.54 GHz, 768 MB of RAM
[10:22] <Wrinkliez>  umm
[10:22] <sbalneav> k, what kind of video card?
[10:26] <sbalneav> You could try this
[10:26] <sbalneav> at the boot screen, press f6
[10:27] <sbalneav> then boot with the option linux noacpi
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[10:27] <Fuzz> hey sorry about that
[10:28] <Fuzz> anyways my videocard is NVIDIA GeForce 6200
[10:28] <sbalneav> You could try this
[10:28] <sbalneav> at the boot screen, press f6
[10:28] <sbalneav> at the boot screen, press f6
[10:28] <sbalneav> then boot with the option linux noacpi
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[10:38] <Wrinkliez2> nope it didnt work
[10:38] <Wrinkliez2> still the same error
[10:41] <sbalneav> Have you checked the cd to make sure the burn is good?
[10:41] <Wrinkliez2> nope x_x
[10:41] <Wrinkliez2> you mean in the boot menu right?
[10:42] <sbalneav> right.
[10:42] <Wrinkliez2> i think its fine but ill double check
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[10:49] <Wrinkliez> i got the same error in testing the cd, does that mean its a bad burn?
[10:50] <sbalneav> yep
[10:50] <Wrinkliez> figures
[10:50] <Wrinkliez> lol
[10:50] <Wrinkliez> thanks alot
[10:50] <Wrinkliez> ^.^
[10:58] <sbalneav> np
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