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| claydoh | ok who put my konversation tabs back down at the bottom :( | 02:55 |
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| claydoh | just kiddin | 02:55 |
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| ScottK | Could someone who's been working on KDE4 packages tell me what version is actually needed? | 04:00 |
| nixternal | what version of what ScottK? | 04:23 |
| ScottK | Riddell left a comment on Friday that he'd done as much as he could on KDE4 without a new gpg. | 04:23 |
| nixternal | hrmm | 04:24 |
| nixternal | ya, I didn't know what he meant by that comment either | 04:24 |
| ScottK | There's a bug that say a newer version of gpgme needed, but further research leads me to believe the reporter didn't know about the gpgme1.0 package. | 04:24 |
| ScottK | So up until I discovered that bug was likely bogus, I thought I knew what he meant. | 04:25 |
| ScottK | Now I don't. | 04:25 |
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| nixternal | hehe | 04:25 |
| nixternal | hrmm...I just committed to KDE SVN and it hasn't showed up, nor did the bug close...hopefully I entered the correct BUG:# :) | 04:26 |
| nixternal | yay, thank god for svn log | 04:26 |
| nixternal | claydoh: you around? | 04:35 |
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| nixternal | just so you know, I responded to your Konversation report in LP with the various options available so you can fix the issue you are having with Konversation tabs | 04:36 |
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| ScottK | Well the author of the bug I thought was bogus wrote back and said, "Oh, yeah, forgot to update the bug. The other package works." | 05:02 |
| ScottK | Riddell: Did you build dep on libgpgme or libgpgme11 for kde4 stuff. | 05:02 |
| ScottK | err -dev in either case of course. | 05:03 |
| claydoh | nixternal: yeah | 05:04 |
| claydoh | ok | 05:05 |
| claydoh | ok should have made it a wishlist really | 05:06 |
| claydoh | to keep it the way it was | 05:07 |
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| ScottK-laptop | ryanakca: This nick isn't registerd, so no PM. | 06:02 |
| ScottK-laptop | I really need to get a new ups. | 06:03 |
| ryanakca | ok. | 06:03 |
| ScottK-laptop | Anyway... Since you're in a vmware machine, I'd ask the admin of the host to look into it. | 06:03 |
| ryanakca | ok | 06:03 |
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| ryanakca | ScottK2: Hmm. I've contacted Paleo. I turned off the VM, and it's telling me that the host key has changed instead of host not found... which makes me think that something malicious is hapenning. That our his network is on the fritz again. | 06:15 |
| ryanakca | Anyways, past midnight :) Thanks for the help | 06:15 |
| ScottK2 | No problem. | 06:15 |
| ryanakca | std::bed << ryanakca << std::sleep; | 06:16 |
| nixternal | ScottK2: I like your REVU/Mentors idea | 06:20 |
| ScottK2 | nixternal: Cool | 06:20 |
| nixternal | our REVU could do with some updates, but when I volunteered to help, I didn't get a viable response except for "add a spec to the wiki for it" | 06:20 |
| ScottK2 | Code is in bzr. Go for it. | 06:20 |
| nixternal | specs are nice, but if I can do it now and am willing to, why should I have to spec it for someone else | 06:21 |
| ScottK2 | You've been wanting to learn Python anyways... | 06:21 |
| nixternal | well damn, now someone tells me that | 06:21 |
| nixternal | ewww | 06:21 |
| nixternal | :) | 06:21 |
| ScottK2 | But until the pinentry qt4 port is done ;-) | 06:21 |
| nixternal | ya, I am stuck with the seclist stuff | 06:21 |
| nixternal | probably would be better for someone who understands that part a little better than I | 06:22 |
| ScottK2 | https://launchpad.net/revu | 06:22 |
| ScottK2 | Maybe if you contribute a somewhat buggy sort of works port upstream, they'll pick it up and finish it.... | 06:23 |
| ScottK2 | Well I need to get to bed, so good night. | 06:24 |
| nixternal | ScottK2: I forgot I wanted to tell you...a friend and I looked over the marketing stuff for a few minutes yesterday and he said in this case a plan would be damn near impossible..well a complete plan.. | 06:24 |
| nixternal | grr, right as I tell you the good news kind of :) | 06:24 |
| ScottK2 | OK | 06:24 |
| nixternal | actually it is good news | 06:24 |
| ScottK2 | ? | 06:24 |
| nixternal | he said start designing everything, and work out the marketing situation as you go...he said to sit down and plan it at its current stage could take a very long time | 06:25 |
| ScottK2 | Ah. Yes. | 06:25 |
| nixternal | but he said, once you get going with the infrastructure and you see the inflow of business, then the plan can start to take shape to take you to that next level | 06:25 |
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| nixternal | but this wouldn't be like that..funny you said that, as he said something similar | 06:26 |
| ScottK2 | Yeah. Sounds good. | 06:26 |
| nixternal | but the aim and try again gets taken care of as long as you document and start your situational analysis | 06:26 |
| ScottK2 | Yep. | 06:26 |
| nixternal | I am going to try and pick his brains some more | 06:26 |
| ScottK2 | Cool. | 06:26 |
| nixternal | although, he did market a .com during that one superbowl witht he stupid dog sock puppet | 06:27 |
| nixternal | and iirc, they bellied up :) | 06:27 |
| nixternal | although he made more than enough to live comfortably for a while | 06:27 |
| ScottK2 | I'm reminded it was beer drinkers and not marketeers the discovered light beer was less filling and you could drink more. | 06:27 |
| ScottK2 | Heh. | 06:27 |
| nixternal | haha | 06:27 |
| nixternal | err | 06:27 |
| === ScottK2 doesn't have that kind of money. | ||
| nixternal | oh...thought you left | 06:27 |
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| ScottK | No, the cold corpse of my desktop finally left. | 06:28 |
| ScottK | I really need to get a new ups. | 06:28 |
| nixternal | so maybe we can look at some website design stuff in the near future, and he said when you start doing a website layout, the best marketing material comes to the front | 06:28 |
| nixternal | which I never thought of actually | 06:28 |
| ScottK | Makes sense. | 06:28 |
| ScottK | Yeah. I'm all for that. | 06:28 |
| nixternal | I have never done Internet marketing really, but I do marketing for the best baseball team ever | 06:28 |
| nixternal | Chicago Cubs :) | 06:29 |
| ScottK | For some definition of the word "best". | 06:29 |
| nixternal | hahaha | 06:29 |
| nixternal | we are doing better than the Sox right now...so that helps | 06:29 |
| ScottK | Yeah. | 06:29 |
| nixternal | I figured since my buddy is damn good with Internet marketing...now he does the Ad Sense campaigns for Google, I can get some really good insite from him | 06:30 |
| Hobbsee | bah. what was i about ot do? | 06:30 |
| nixternal | Hobbsee: give me some work to do? | 06:30 |
| ScottK | I'm a bit booked up tomorrow and tuesday trying to rack up some billable hours before the end of the month on a new task, but after that, I've got time. | 06:30 |
| nixternal | that isn't about bug squashing 100% hopefully | 06:30 |
| ScottK | Heya Hobbsee. | 06:30 |
| Hobbsee | hiya | 06:30 |
| Hobbsee | nixternal: yes, please go thru the buglists some more. | 06:30 |
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| nixternal | ScottK: I am available during the middle of the week on so that is good actually | 06:31 |
| nixternal | maybe we can hammer out some ideas | 06:31 |
| ScottK | I had another run in with your favorite bug filer today. | 06:31 |
| nixternal | with mine? | 06:31 |
| ScottK | Hobbsee: ^^ | 06:31 |
| nixternal | oh | 06:31 |
| Hobbsee | ScottK: kmos again? | 06:31 |
| ScottK | Yeah. | 06:31 |
| Hobbsee | ScottK: or shirish? | 06:31 |
| nixternal | lol | 06:31 |
| ScottK | kmos | 06:31 |
| Hobbsee | nixternal: you should read the logs from -motu last night | 06:31 |
| nixternal | dude, I have been going through KDE bugs today, LP doesn't have anything on that | 06:31 |
| Hobbsee | ScottK: urgh. did he take in what you said? | 06:31 |
| Hobbsee | nixternal: :D | 06:31 |
| ScottK | He actually filed a good one. | 06:31 |
| nixternal | Hobbsee: I was readign right along with you, but remaining silent | 06:31 |
| Hobbsee | ScottK: shock horror! | 06:31 |
| ScottK | I didn't read it carefully since I knew who filed it it must be BS. | 06:32 |
| ScottK | Well it was sort of good and on the right track. | 06:32 |
| ScottK | I did point out that since he had a history of filing cr@p bugs no one was going to take him seriously. | 06:32 |
| nixternal | haha | 06:32 |
| ScottK | He acked that and promised he was trying to mend his ways. | 06:33 |
| nixternal | that is always a good sign | 06:33 |
| nixternal | sometime people just need some gentle hand-holding to get them going | 06:33 |
| nixternal | I have been here for a while and I still need it :) | 06:33 |
| ScottK | Yeah. I think getting beaten on by a lot of people today may have actually helped. | 06:33 |
| Hobbsee | ScottK: haha, nice | 06:33 |
| ScottK | He didn't get gentle hand holding. | 06:33 |
| Hobbsee | nixternal: well, he seemed to take notice when i mentioned that people may ask the launchpad guy sto remove his launchpad account, if he keeps filing crap bugs, and attempting to break the archive. | 06:34 |
| ScottK | There may have been one or more stretchings of the CoC today. | 06:34 |
| Hobbsee | lol | 06:35 |
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| Hobbsee | ScottK: well, ubuntu also has a policy of "getting stuff done". now, kmos is actually going against that policy by filing such crap bugs. | 06:36 |
| Hobbsee | so i dont think it's a COC violation | 06:36 |
| ScottK | Agreed. | 06:36 |
| Hobbsee | he's doing exactly what an ubuntu troll would do | 06:36 |
| ScottK | I picked the word stretch carefully. | 06:36 |
| ScottK | Hobbsee: Do you know what Riddell was talking about when he said he needed a newer gpg to make more progress on KDE4? | 06:37 |
| Hobbsee | ScottK: i dont, i wasnt following teh discussoin, most likely | 06:38 |
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| ScottK | Well let me try this again then ... Good night all. It's getting late here. | 06:42 |
| nixternal | ScottK: arggH! | 06:45 |
| Hobbsee | night ScottK | 06:46 |
| nixternal | haha, I wanted him to still be up kind of, come back like "what?", just so I can say good night :) | 06:46 |
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| robotgeek | /away zzz | 07:44 |
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| Tonio_ | hey ;) | 09:45 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: doing the final tests for kdelibs and kdebase and uploading | 09:45 |
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| _StefanS_ | Tonio_: show me the money !! | 10:12 |
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| Tonio_ | _StefanS_: hehe | 10:22 |
| _StefanS_ | Tonio_: so are you up for some hacking ? :) | 10:23 |
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| _StefanS_ | Tonio_: or are you still just scratching your balls? | 10:25 |
| Tonio_ | _StefanS_: I'm just working no not available | 10:27 |
| Tonio_ | _StefanS_: probably toonight or tomorrow | 10:27 |
| Tonio_ | _StefanS_: btw I can have time at 12 | 10:27 |
| _StefanS_ | Tonio_: yep ok, atleast you're doing something :) | 10:27 |
| Tonio_ | now in a couple of hours | 10:27 |
| _StefanS_ | Tonio_: uhm I cant.. lets do it tonight | 10:27 |
| Tonio_ | _StefanS_: oki :) | 10:27 |
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| _StefanS_ | Tonio_: does the latest patch still cause builderrors ?? | 10:47 |
| _StefanS_ | Tonio_: in kdelibs i mean | 10:47 |
| Tonio_ | _StefanS_: according to hobbsee, yes it does | 10:47 |
| Tonio_ | _StefanS_: at least the second version of it.... dunno if you did something since then that I should test | 10:48 |
| Tonio_ | _StefanS_: I have to disconnect, brb | 10:48 |
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| Riddell | nixternal: could you add the kubuntu meeting to fridge's calendar? | 11:01 |
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| _StefanS_ | Riddell: hey.. who decided upon speedcrunch in favor of kcalc? | 11:34 |
| Riddell | _StefanS_: me | 11:35 |
| _StefanS_ | Riddell: I dont really see speedcrunch being any better. ? maybe there's something I dont know about it :) | 11:35 |
| Riddell | it has a history and is easier to do complex sums | 11:36 |
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| _StefanS_ | Riddell: oh alright | 11:38 |
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| _StefanS_ | Tonio_: I wrote hobbsee asking about that build error | 11:42 |
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| Tonio_ | _StefanS_: oki ;) | 12:16 |
| _StefanS_ | Riddell: sorry to bug you, but whats the easiest way to install kde4 alpha2 in gutsy? | 12:21 |
| _StefanS_ | Riddell: is there a meta package or something ? | 12:21 |
| Riddell | http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-alpha2.php | 12:25 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: packaging the latest speedcrunch | 12:28 |
| Riddell | awooga | 12:28 |
| Tonio_ | ;) | 12:29 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: kdelibs and kdebase uploaded | 12:29 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: didn't had any dep on kdelibs to kdebase cause it caused ftbfs ;) | 12:29 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: kdebase couldn't be build cause needing kdebase to be installed with kdelibs.... | 12:30 |
| Riddell | ok | 12:33 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: wouldn't you like to have the sysinfo ioslave on kubuntu ? | 12:33 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: pretty nice imho | 12:33 |
| Tonio_ | http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php/KIO+Slave+sysinfo:+?content=58704 | 12:33 |
| _StefanS_ | Tonio_: I agree | 12:34 |
| _StefanS_ | Tonio_: I wonder if there's a way to configure and make sure it displays most of the stuff correctly throughout different configurations | 12:34 |
| Tonio_ | _StefanS_: well it is by default on opensuse, so I assume it works on several plateforms correctly | 12:35 |
| _StefanS_ | Tonio_: ah yep I see | 12:35 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: let me know if you're interested, I can build a package pretty quickly for this | 12:36 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: apachelogger has been working on packaging it | 12:36 |
| Riddell | and is waiting for artwork as far as I know | 12:36 |
| Riddell | I'm not convinced an ioslave is the right place to put such information though | 12:36 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: hum, oki ;) | 12:36 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: a kcm extension would be nicer | 12:37 |
| Tonio_ | I agree on that point | 12:37 |
| === apachelogger notes that the kde-apps kioslave is totally bloated | ||
| apachelogger | like 300 information not working for everyone and totally useles | 12:39 |
| apachelogger | s | 12:39 |
| Riddell | apachelogger: you're using i386? I presume captury compiled for you? | 12:41 |
| apachelogger | yep | 12:42 |
| Riddell | apachelogger: it seems to need libcaptury compiled --with-pic to compile on my amd64 | 12:42 |
| apachelogger | hm | 12:42 |
| apachelogger | gotta do a packaging session this evening | 12:42 |
| === apachelogger puts libcaptury on the todo | ||
| apachelogger | isn't intel core duo 64bit capable? | 12:43 |
| Riddell | might depend on the model | 12:43 |
| apachelogger | hm | 12:43 |
| apachelogger | google will know ^_^ | 12:43 |
| _StefanS_ | apachelogger: it is, although t5500 isn't | 12:44 |
| apachelogger | arrsome ... 6400 here | 12:44 |
| === apachelogger also puts install 64bit kubuntu on the todo | ||
| Riddell | I don't think intel core has em64t, only intel core 2 | 12:44 |
| _StefanS_ | Riddell: right. | 12:45 |
| apachelogger | well, it's core2 | 12:45 |
| _StefanS_ | apachelogger: 6400 has 64bit and vt tech | 12:45 |
| Riddell | apachelogger: you didn't say that | 12:45 |
| _StefanS_ | apachelogger: http://www.intel.com/products/processor/core2duo/specifications.htm | 12:45 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: yeah, I know, I suck :P | 12:45 |
| Riddell | apachelogger: you can just make a 64 bit chroot to test stuff rather than a whole install | 12:46 |
| apachelogger | hm | 12:47 |
| apachelogger | good point | 12:47 |
| Riddell | "This is a daily health check report on the Kubuntu CD images. No problems found!" yay! | 12:47 |
| Riddell | I even managed to stop the DVD being oversized | 12:47 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: speedcrunch uploaded | 12:57 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: did you finally remove openoffice ? ^_^ | 12:58 |
| Riddell | if only | 12:58 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: packaging kaffeine | 12:59 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: unless someone's already on this one | 12:59 |
| Riddell | don't think so | 01:00 |
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| _StefanS_ | or even acroread :) | 01:03 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: for kio-sysinfo, shall I make it version 0.1 or next higher version of the suse release (since it's actually based on latest suse release)? | 01:04 |
| Riddell | what do you mean by "next higher version of the suse release"? | 01:06 |
| apachelogger | hm | 01:10 |
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| apachelogger | suse didn't versionize it at all | 01:10 |
| Riddell | oh, I see, Suse names it 10.3 etc | 01:10 |
| Riddell | their source tar is 10.3 | 01:10 |
| apachelogger | well, the source is actually older | 01:10 |
| apachelogger | confusing | 01:12 |
| _StefanS_ | apachelogger: where is kio-sysinfo going to be linked in ? from the desktop? | 01:12 |
| Riddell | * Tue Jul 24 2007 - stbinner@suse.de | 01:12 |
| Riddell | - update of sysinfo:/ artwork and translations | 01:12 |
| _StefanS_ | apachelogger: or the system menu? | 01:12 |
| apachelogger | _StefanS_: pardon? | 01:12 |
| apachelogger | didn't think about that at all yet | 01:13 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: the funny thing is that kaffeine and kmplayer are alays updated at the same period..... strange ;) | 01:13 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: I'll also package kmplayer today then | 01:13 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: we don't use their artwork | 01:13 |
| _StefanS_ | apachelogger: I dont think users can remember what to write in the url box.. | 01:13 |
| apachelogger | well | 01:13 |
| apachelogger | it is linked somewhere | 01:13 |
| apachelogger | by default | 01:13 |
| _StefanS_ | apachelogger: I think it would be nice to have it accesible through the system menu | 01:13 |
| apachelogger | just can't remember where | 01:13 |
| apachelogger | _StefanS_: you mean the k-menu? | 01:14 |
| _StefanS_ | apachelogger: nawp.. the "System Menu", Menu of important system places | 01:14 |
| _StefanS_ | apachelogger: it already has links to home, storage media, Remote places and so on | 01:15 |
| apachelogger | ahhhh | 01:15 |
| === apachelogger is wondering | ||
| apachelogger | can one add something there? | 01:15 |
| === apachelogger assumes it's desktop file based ... just like remote:/ is | ||
| _StefanS_ | apachelogger: donno :) - I was just thinking like it would like to access it | 01:15 |
| Riddell | it is | 01:15 |
| _StefanS_ | it/i | 01:15 |
| apachelogger | ok | 01:15 |
| === apachelogger adds to todo | ||
| Riddell | but really most of the information would be best as a kcontrol module | 01:16 |
| Riddell | not an ioslave | 01:16 |
| _StefanS_ | Riddell: yes.. I dont know how much added value that sysinfo is going to add to kubuntu | 01:16 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: ioslave is better themable I guess | 01:16 |
| apachelogger | _StefanS_: not much | 01:16 |
| _StefanS_ | nope, I'm just thinking if it would confuse users instead.. | 01:16 |
| _StefanS_ | maybe it just adds to some of the ambiguity that we want to iron out.. | 01:18 |
| === _StefanS_ is just thinking. It can be dangerous :) | ||
| _StefanS_ | to think I mean :D | 01:18 |
| mhb | good afternoon | 01:18 |
| _StefanS_ | hey mhb | 01:18 |
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| Tonio_ | Riddell: don't expect opensuse dev to use kcm, they don't use kcontrol, that's the point | 01:19 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: so it is either ioslave or yast thing | 01:19 |
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| apachelogger_ | Tonio_: cause kcontrol sux | 01:21 |
| apachelogger_ | big time | 01:21 |
| apachelogger_ | Riddell: so, shall I make it 10.3.1 or 0.1? | 01:21 |
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| Tonio_ | apachelogger: yes, but not kcm modules | 01:21 |
| Riddell | apachelogger: are you building the source tar from kdebase-SuSE? | 01:22 |
| apachelogger | nope | 01:22 |
| apachelogger | I stole the code | 01:23 |
| apachelogger | modified it to work with kubuntu | 01:23 |
| apachelogger | actually it's pretty generic right now | 01:23 |
| _StefanS_ | apachelogger: why dont you download from the official site ? :) | 01:23 |
| Riddell | apachelogger: but stole it from where? | 01:23 |
| apachelogger | the src.rpm | 01:23 |
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| apachelogger | extracted from their kdebase extensions | 01:24 |
| _StefanS_ | apachelogger: http://jerrad.tuxfamily.org/kiosysinfo_eng.html | 01:24 |
| Tonio_ | apachelogger: there is an official tarball...... is there any problem with it ? | 01:24 |
| Riddell | apachelogger: the source RPM is kdebase-SuSE no? | 01:24 |
| apachelogger | i.e. kdebase-SuSE | 01:24 |
| apachelogger | Tonio_: where? | 01:24 |
| _StefanS_ | I just built from the source, it works fine | 01:24 |
| Riddell | apachelogger: and kdebase-SUSE is version 10.3, so call yours 10.3ubuntu1 | 01:24 |
| Tonio_ | apachelogger: lemme check | 01:24 |
| _StefanS_ | Tonio_: http://jerrad.tuxfamily.org/kiosysinfo_eng.html | 01:24 |
| apachelogger | that's not official | 01:25 |
| apachelogger | official = suse | 01:25 |
| Tonio_ | apachelogger: http://jerrad.tuxfamily.org/kiosysinfo_eng.html | 01:25 |
| Tonio_ | _StefanS_: quicker than me..... | 01:25 |
| apachelogger | that's like not working everywhere | 01:25 |
| Tonio_ | apachelogger: that's upstream webpage | 01:25 |
| apachelogger | and actually providing too much information IMO | 01:25 |
| _StefanS_ | err whatever :) - its the official one. | 01:25 |
| === apachelogger thinks the code changes to that source are quite strange | ||
| apachelogger | diff it against https://code.launchpad.net/~apachelogger/kio-sysinfo/ubuntu | 01:26 |
| Tonio_ | apachelogger: this is the place where you can download a tarball, so that we can review it correctly :) | 01:26 |
| Riddell | _StefanS_: that really isn't official | 01:26 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: hum oki | 01:27 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: no, suse is the place you download the tar, that's a random person who's made some changes | 01:27 |
| apachelogger | yep | 01:27 |
| apachelogger | not even good ones | 01:27 |
| apachelogger | actually | 01:27 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: but it is reworked to work with debian based distros afaicr no ? | 01:27 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: well oki, that's not my debate btw ;) I will not insist :) | 01:27 |
| Riddell | from his description he's just added some things | 01:27 |
| apachelogger | ...a lot of things | 01:28 |
| apachelogger | actually that source is really strange | 01:28 |
| apachelogger | actualyl the whole sysinfo slave thing is really strange | 01:28 |
| apachelogger | it's like every distro got it's own branch of that thingy | 01:28 |
| apachelogger | and that guy collected all the changes and merged them | 01:28 |
| apachelogger | though now it's totally bloated IMO | 01:29 |
| _StefanS_ | isn't it worth just improving kcontrol instead? | 01:29 |
| apachelogger | _StefanS_: ye wanna do that? ^_^ | 01:29 |
| Riddell | making a decent replacement for kinfocentre would be best | 01:29 |
| _StefanS_ | Riddell: just my point | 01:30 |
| Riddell | which might be a kc module or might be ksysguard improvements | 01:30 |
| _StefanS_ | apachelogger: I didn't say we were in a perfect world :D | 01:30 |
| apachelogger | :P | 01:30 |
| _StefanS_ | humm, well I think since apachelogger finds it kinda bloated and its not totally needed, why use any more time on it? isn't there some other packages that we could improve / add instead? | 01:31 |
| === apachelogger can't remember | ||
| apachelogger | Riddell: I think I asked you already, when I started with sysinfo packaging ... shall I make it a patchset or actually provide a changed orig.tar.gz? | 01:31 |
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| apachelogger | since I have to create the orig on my own anyway | 01:31 |
| apachelogger | _StefanS_: s/we/you could start to revu my packages :P | 01:32 |
| Riddell | apachelogger: what are you changing? | 01:32 |
| Riddell | apachelogger: if you make your own .orig ensure there's a scriptable way to remake it in future | 01:32 |
| apachelogger | python skills would be handy now ^_^ | 01:33 |
| === apachelogger sticks with ruby though | ||
| _StefanS_ | apachelogger: I will be happy to review your packages :) | 01:33 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: well, I had to adapt some informations since they were SUSE only .... like version string was fetched from /etc/suse-release | 01:34 |
| apachelogger | _StefanS_: http://aplg.kollide.net/packages.txt | 01:34 |
| apachelogger | all with a URL should be recently updated or at least free for revu | 01:34 |
| apachelogger | oh | 01:34 |
| apachelogger | _StefanS_: kcmnnview is actually alread uploaded ^_^ | 01:34 |
| _StefanS_ | oh | 01:35 |
| Riddell | apachelogger: that sounds like it should just be a patch | 01:38 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: we also have to change the artwork | 01:39 |
| apachelogger | would be a binary patch then :S | 01:39 |
| ScottK | Riddell: What was teh gpg issue from Friday (something like I've done as much KDE4 as I can until we get a new gpg)? Which gpg package and what version is needed? | 01:46 |
| Riddell | apachelogger: hmm, I can't seem to compile kdebase with captury, it complains about missing symbols (it needs -ldl and -lXfixes added and I can't work out how to convince it to add them) | 01:46 |
| Riddell | apachelogger: have you seen anything like that? | 01:46 |
| Riddell | ScottK: gpgme, which I've merged from Debian now | 01:47 |
| ScottK | Ah. OK. | 01:47 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: compiled perfectly fine for me, though capturing is not working right now, at least not for my intel chip | 01:47 |
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| ScottK | Riddell: There's a dependency issue, I'm pretty sure in the gpgme update. Should I just file a bug or do you want to discuss (the required gnpug version is insufficient). | 01:57 |
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| Riddell | ScottK: looks fine here https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gpgme1.0/1.1.5-1ubuntu1 | 01:58 |
| ScottK | The issue is libgpgme11 dep on gnupg (>= 1.4.6-2) | 01:59 |
| ScottK | There's an entry in Gpgme/Changleog (not the main one) that says: " (parse_error): New arg SET_STATUS. Also detect it based on an ERROR status (gpg > 1.4.6)." | 02:01 |
| ScottK | That leads me to believe that it'll likely be fine until you start trying to process errors. | 02:01 |
| ScottK | I was guessing your Friday comment was about gpgme so I did some looking into it over the weekend. | 02:02 |
| Riddell | when compiling gpgme it says.. | 02:03 |
| Riddell | GnuPG path: /usr/bin/gpg | 02:03 |
| Riddell | GnuPG version: 1.4.6, min. 1.3.0 | 02:03 |
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| ScottK | OK. Then I guess either it's a changelog mistake or an upstream mistake. | 02:04 |
| Riddell | also we have gnupg 1.4.6 anyway | 02:05 |
| Riddell | so we should be covered | 02:05 |
| ScottK | Right, but it's greater than 1.4.6 in the changelog | 02:05 |
| ScottK | There is a 1.4.7 released, but not in Debian yet. | 02:05 |
| Riddell | hmm, fooey | 02:08 |
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| ScottK | I don't know a good way to test this. | 02:09 |
| Riddell | wait and see if we start getting weird gpg behaviour in kmail? | 02:10 |
| ScottK | If I had to bet between programmer wrote in the changelog "need version newer than X because Y function was added) and was wrong or programmer forgot to adjust the makefile before release, I'd bet on the latter. | 02:10 |
| manchicken__ | ScottK: I didn't know about the "needs-packaging" bugs :) I'm not really very skilled at packaging at all :) | 02:11 |
| ScottK | In related news there is an outstanding CVE against gnupg 1.4.6 anyway (it doesn't look particularly scary as such things go) so we really want 1.4.7 anyway. | 02:11 |
| ScottK | manchicken: Then now you know about them. | 02:12 |
| ScottK | ;-) | 02:12 |
| manchicken | Yup. I posted the bug and replied to the list. | 02:12 |
| Riddell | ScottK: might be worth asking kees if he has any plans for that | 02:12 |
| ScottK | OK. | 02:12 |
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| Riddell | http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/seeds.jpg seeds, in easy to understand diagram format :) | 02:17 |
| apachelogger | hum | 02:17 |
| apachelogger | now I'm boned | 02:17 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: the suse source doesn't include COPYING files | 02:18 |
| Riddell | apachelogger: oh jings | 02:18 |
| Riddell | well, add it in quietly yourself I guess | 02:18 |
| === apachelogger changes the orig-creating script | ||
| Riddell | best to add a get-orig-source: rule in debian/rules | 02:22 |
| Riddell | although then you have to play with Makefile syntax | 02:22 |
| ScottK | Riddell: No good on the security angle. I double checked and the CVE is fixed in a Debian patch even though our upstream version is insufficient. | 02:22 |
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| apachelogger | Riddell: we should just make yet another distro branch, if arch and pardus can have one, we can as well :P | 02:24 |
| apachelogger | hm | 02:26 |
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| apachelogger | Riddell: should the script also fetch the src.rpm? | 02:26 |
| === apachelogger has actually no clue how to implement that :P | ||
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| Riddell | apachelogger: ideally yes, just use wget | 02:28 |
| Riddell | and define the version number somewhere as a variable that'll need to be updated | 02:29 |
| apachelogger | ok, that sounds managable :) | 02:29 |
| Hobbsee | greetings | 02:30 |
| Hobbsee | Tonio_: i havent tried with stefan's patch | 02:30 |
| apachelogger | ahoy Hobbsee | 02:31 |
| Hobbsee | heya apachelogger | 02:33 |
| apachelogger | hm | 02:33 |
| apachelogger | wget doesn't support regexp? | 02:33 |
| === apachelogger thinks he just got too much coffee | ||
| Riddell | regexp of what? | 02:36 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: the src.rpm is kdebase3-SuSE-#{SUSEVERSION}-#{PACKAGEREVISION}.src.rpm, so I'd like to make the revision a regexp | 02:39 |
| apachelogger | anyway | 02:39 |
| apachelogger | one just has to hand the version and the revision as arguments to the script | 02:39 |
| Riddell | apachelogger: you can use a wildcard if you're downloading from an ftp server | 02:39 |
| apachelogger | it's http | 02:40 |
| apachelogger | but I think the arguments solution is a quite decent one | 02:40 |
| Riddell | since http doesn't support listing files, there's no way wget can do wildcards or regexps on download URLs | 02:41 |
| Riddell | but there will be ftp servers for suse | 02:41 |
| apachelogger | hm | 02:42 |
| apachelogger | the officials usually lag like hell | 02:42 |
| apachelogger | gotta use a mirror | 02:42 |
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| apachelogger | http://pastebin.kubuntu-de.org/2124 | 02:58 |
| apachelogger | phew | 02:59 |
| apachelogger | now that was awkward | 02:59 |
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| Riddell | groovy | 03:15 |
| kwwii | Riddell: btw, when you need a pic for the release announcement, put some text on this: http://sinecera.de/water.jpeg | 03:23 |
| Hobbsee | kwwii: pretty :) | 03:25 |
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| kwwii | Hobbsee: thanks | 03:26 |
| ryanakca | kwwii: I like it too... tried submitting it for the digikam splash screen 'contest'? | 03:28 |
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| ScottK | Question from #ubuntu-motu that I'm sure someone here knows the answer to: [09:28] <TheMuso> ScottK: Do you know if KDE .desktop files should also be valid to the desktop entry spec? | 03:29 |
| kwwii | ryanakca: nope, I don't tend to enter too many contests | 03:30 |
| ryanakca | ScottK: I believe so | 03:30 |
| ScottK | Thanks. | 03:30 |
| ryanakca | kwwii: hehe | 03:30 |
| kwwii | I see the contests as ways to draw in new people | 03:32 |
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| Riddell | ScottK: they should yes | 03:42 |
| ScottK | Riddell: Thanks. | 03:42 |
| apachelogger | wooohooo | 03:50 |
| apachelogger | it builds again :D | 03:50 |
| Riddell | kwwii: is that any paticular swimming pool? | 03:51 |
| kwwii | Riddell: actually, it is a pic of a muddy brownish river near where I live...I added the blue gradient with gimp | 03:54 |
| ScottK | Riddell: Should we just let the gpgme thing ride and see what happens? Since it's an error reporting change that drives the alleged dependency, I'm concerned it might not show up frequently in regular use. | 03:55 |
| Riddell | ScottK: I think we should keep an eye on error reports (and if debian gets the new gnupg packaged, sync that in) | 04:01 |
| ScottK | OK. Let's go with that. | 04:01 |
| Hobbsee | ScottK: btw - the other suggestion for kmos - send him to the docteam. | 04:21 |
| ScottK | Hmmm. Shiny, evil, apparently helpful. Go for it. | 04:21 |
| Hobbsee | ScottK: :) | 04:22 |
| Hobbsee | ScottK: nah, i wasnt going to blast him again until seeing the next bunch that he'd done wrong | 04:22 |
| Hobbsee | ScottK: cant be accused of targetting people, etc | 04:23 |
| ScottK | OK. Well you shouldn't have long to wait. | 04:23 |
| Hobbsee | this is my logic, yes | 04:23 |
| manchicken | Do we have any debug packages for adept. | 04:27 |
| manchicken | ? | 04:27 |
| manchicken | I can't find any. | 04:27 |
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| apachelogger | Hobbsee, Riddell, ScottK: ping | 04:36 |
| ScottK | Pong | 04:37 |
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| apachelogger | ScottK: so, I want to change the default arwork of kio-sysinfo... how to do that properly? | 04:37 |
| apachelogger | change the orig? | 04:37 |
| ScottK | I am SO not the person to ask that question. Sorry. | 04:38 |
| apachelogger | ok ^_^ | 04:38 |
| apachelogger | Lord Riddell! | 04:38 |
| === apachelogger considers starting to cry | ||
| Hobbsee | You sent me a contentless ping. This is a contentless pong. Please provide a bit of information about what you want and I will respond when I am around. | 04:38 |
| Hobbsee | er, patch it. use uuencode | 04:39 |
| Tonio_ | tabs are back in konversation :/ | 04:39 |
| apachelogger | Hobbsee: thanks, will try | 04:39 |
| Tonio_ | Hobbsee: were there a consensus concerning the tabs ? I don't remember | 04:40 |
| Hobbsee | Tonio_: you said you'd change it, at least meeting. | 04:40 |
| === apachelogger moves back into the headache hole | ||
| Riddell | apachelogger: as yet I havn't been offered a peer of the realm | 04:40 |
| Hobbsee | Tonio_: sho was bitching again, so i fixed it | 04:40 |
| Tonio_ | Hobbsee: I said I'd discuss with konversation team to negociate this :) | 04:40 |
| Tonio_ | Hobbsee: btw I was completly against changing the theme to the horrible default | 04:40 |
| === apachelogger probably needs new naming specs then | ||
| Riddell | apachelogger: patching binary files is a pain, but diff -u --text then uuencode foo.diff foo.diff > foo.diff.uu and build-dep on sharutils should work | 04:41 |
| Hobbsee | Tonio_: please discuss ti with them again, then. | 04:41 |
| ScottK | Tonio_: I put klamav on the agenda for the next Kubuntu meeting. Will you be there? | 04:41 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: I think this was the reason why the first turn was to do my own orig instead of patching :P | 04:42 |
| Riddell | apachelogger: so long as its made by the same script that should be ok | 04:43 |
| apachelogger | hm | 04:43 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: so I just can add the kubuntu artwork with the script? | 04:43 |
| Riddell | apachelogger: yes | 04:44 |
| apachelogger | hooray | 04:44 |
| apachelogger | that sounds far more reasonable :D | 04:44 |
| Tonio_ | ScottK: I'll be there | 04:46 |
| ScottK | Great. | 04:46 |
| Tonio_ | Hobbsee: I just don't see the point in one upstream always compaining about changing default settings.... | 04:48 |
| Tonio_ | Hobbsee: I can understand concerning the tabs, but about the theme...... | 04:48 |
| Tonio_ | Hobbsee: not any distro should ship with a efualt theme for kde then.... doesn't make sense | 04:48 |
| Tonio_ | can you imaging if all kde upstream where as sensitive on that point than konversation devs are ? | 04:49 |
| Tonio_ | s/imaging/imagine | 04:49 |
| Hobbsee | Tonio_: i'd love to thump them with a large brick, yes, but i also think that them putting a message on their homepage about how kubuntu sucks, as well as dragging all our names thru the mud to all the other developers isnt an optimum solution either. | 04:50 |
| Hobbsee | s/optimum/optimal/ | 04:50 |
| Tonio_ | Hobbsee: I'll ping them, and will try to negociate a bit | 04:51 |
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| Riddell | el did recommend keeping the tabs at the side | 04:53 |
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| Tonio_ | Hobbsee: if we cannot implement things, there is no point making a distro, let's just provide everything by default, and one distro does the trick.... | 04:53 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: I know, as well as the theme | 04:54 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: she agreed that the defualt theme is unreadable for a human beeing | 04:54 |
| Hobbsee | Tonio_: okay, please do | 04:54 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: having icons with O for operator and V for voice, that just makes sense | 04:54 |
| Tonio_ | Hobbsee: I'll ping sho, try to negociate | 04:54 |
| === Hobbsee thougth he had agreed on this last meeting though. oh well. | ||
| Hobbsee | Tonio_: good luck | 04:54 |
| Tonio_ | Hobbsee: at least try to get a compromise | 04:54 |
| Hobbsee | Tonio_: people keep filing bugs upstream about the tree view, etc, and it not looking like the rest of kde | 04:55 |
| Tonio_ | Hobbsee: I know, but EVERY opensource upstream has this problem of people complaining about distro bugs complaining | 04:55 |
| Tonio_ | Hobbsee: if you don't want that, don't do opensource softwares.... | 04:56 |
| Hobbsee | Tonio_: you're free to revert my change, speak to konvi debs, hit them with a brick, whatever. | 04:56 |
| Tonio_ | Hobbsee: I would accept removing tabs, although that sounds stupid for people using lots of channels | 04:56 |
| Tonio_ | Hobbsee: but the theme just sucks as hell | 04:57 |
| Hobbsee | Tonio_: if people hate it, they change | 04:57 |
| Tonio_ | Hobbsee: yes | 04:57 |
| Hobbsee | this is kde, remember? not gnome | 04:57 |
| Tonio_ | Hobbsee: and they also can change OUR default preference :) | 04:57 |
| Tonio_ | Hobbsee: that's the point | 04:57 |
| Tonio_ | they can have the tabs back, and the stupid theme back | 04:57 |
| Tonio_ | and that's the purpose of a distro, providing a specific implementation of free softwares.... | 04:58 |
| Tonio_ | that's why I don't accept upstream complaning about us changing the default | 04:58 |
| Tonio_ | I don't see why we shouldn't set by default an option THEY coded | 04:58 |
| Tonio_ | if the tree view sucks, they are free to remove it from the code right ? ;) | 04:58 |
| Hobbsee | i never said they were logical.. :P | 04:59 |
| Tonio_ | Hobbsee: I'll go toonight and discuss with them, cause this is really..... annoying (to stay polite) | 04:59 |
| Hobbsee | great | 04:59 |
| Tonio_ | also el agrees with us, that's a good point | 05:00 |
| Tonio_ | Hobbsee: where did sho complained again | 05:01 |
| Hobbsee | Tonio_: #Konversation | 05:01 |
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| === Hobbsee ponders falling asleep on her keyboard | ||
| Tonio_ | Hobbsee: can you send me the log please ? that would be nice | 05:02 |
| Hobbsee | Tonio_: tomorrow. | 05:02 |
| === Hobbsee is seriously almsot asleep | ||
| Tonio_ | oki ;) | 05:03 |
| Tonio_ | Hobbsee: go sleep | 05:03 |
| === Hobbsee falls asleep on Tonio_'s shoulder then. | ||
| Hobbsee | if i'm to sleep in bed, it requires first gettign the stuff *off* the bed, and such. | 05:03 |
| === apachelogger probably should get a bed at some point | ||
| Tonio_ | Hobbsee: hehe | 05:09 |
| apachelogger | ha! | 05:12 |
| apachelogger | finally | 05:12 |
| apachelogger | http://aplg.kollide.net/images/tmp035.png | 05:12 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: gentoo uses x86 emulation libs on amd64 for captury ... anything similar we can do? | 05:19 |
| Riddell | emulation libs? | 05:22 |
| apachelogger | no idea what that is | 05:22 |
| === apachelogger reads more ebuilds | ||
| apachelogger | DESCRIPTION="X11R6 libraries for emulation of 32bit x86 on amd64" | 05:23 |
| apachelogger | ha! | 05:24 |
| apachelogger | looks like they are binaries compiled on x86 for use on amd64 | 05:24 |
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| apachelogger | Riddell: is it possible to enforce the usage of i368 libs on amd64? | 05:26 |
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| Riddell | you could build-dep on ia32-libs but meh, ugly | 05:28 |
| Riddell | why doesn't it work on amd64? | 05:28 |
| Riddell | I got it compiling at least :) | 05:28 |
| PhinnFort | why isn't KDM configured properly to use the right boot manager, so it can select which OS to boot on next boot-up? | 05:29 |
| PhinnFort | (boot overload) | 05:29 |
| PhinnFort | by default | 05:29 |
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| PhinnFort | kcontrol -> system administration -> Login Manager -> Shutdown | 05:30 |
| Riddell | PhinnFort: can't say I've ever noticed that before | 05:31 |
| Riddell | should be easy enough to set though | 05:31 |
| apachelogger | ah | 05:32 |
| apachelogger | no | 05:32 |
| apachelogger | nah | 05:32 |
| apachelogger | PhinnFort: that doesn't work | 05:32 |
| PhinnFort | Riddell: I remembered I had it in an old version of Mandrake, so I asked in #kde | 05:32 |
| PhinnFort | apachelogger: huh? | 05:32 |
| apachelogger | this option is way tooo old | 05:32 |
| apachelogger | the feature got removed in GRUB | 05:32 |
| apachelogger | suse for example still patches it in | 05:32 |
| PhinnFort | apachelogger: I thought it modified the menu.lst | 05:32 |
| PhinnFort | maybe either patch away the config option, or patch grub, then | 05:32 |
| apachelogger | without write access to that file?! | 05:32 |
| apachelogger | I think actualyl that's the reason why they removed it | 05:33 |
| apachelogger | security issue blah blah | 05:33 |
| PhinnFort | apachelogger: KDM runs with root privileges, doesn't it? | 05:33 |
| PhinnFort | root 8145 0.0 0.0 19748 372 ? Ss 16:01 0:00 /usr/bin/kdm | 05:33 |
| apachelogger | doesn't change the security issue | 05:33 |
| PhinnFort | well, it already has write access to any file you can think of | 05:33 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: upstream dev told me something about the 64bit thing, can't remember though... but I think it had something to do with the fact that the app is meant for recroding games and most games are precompiled 32bit binaries or something like that... gotta look for a log | 05:34 |
| PhinnFort | so I can't see how this would add any security risks | 05:34 |
| PhinnFort | (since it's so old, and therefore tested) | 05:34 |
| apachelogger | Oo | 05:35 |
| apachelogger | then windows must be top secure | 05:35 |
| PhinnFort | apachelogger: well, win2k is getting pretty secure | 05:35 |
| PhinnFort | apachelogger: top secure, if you like;) | 05:35 |
| apachelogger | PhinnFort: so you use Hoary? | 05:35 |
| PhinnFort | I'm on Edgy/switching to Arch | 05:36 |
| PhinnFort | *feisty | 05:36 |
| PhinnFort | actually | 05:36 |
| PhinnFort | (all these names...) | 05:36 |
| apachelogger | so your KDM is not old | 05:36 |
| PhinnFort | apachelogger: you said the option is old | 05:36 |
| apachelogger | that does mean exactly no-thing | 05:36 |
| apachelogger | anyway | 05:36 |
| PhinnFort | therefore the code supporting it should be old, and tested | 05:37 |
| apachelogger | totally wrong place to discuss | 05:37 |
| PhinnFort | ok | 05:37 |
| apachelogger | AFAIK it's not supported by ubuntu grub | 05:37 |
| apachelogger | so visit #ubuntu-devel | 05:37 |
| PhinnFort | I will just try it first | 05:37 |
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| apachelogger | hm | 05:39 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: gentoo is compiling with 32bit and 64bit libs, so that one can record 32bit apps (such as emulated by wine/cedega) and native 64bit applications | 05:41 |
| apachelogger | only if arch is amd64 of course | 05:41 |
| Riddell | mm, right | 05:43 |
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| Tonio_ | Riddell: I prefer to tell it to you right now..... | 05:51 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: I uploaded my beta kdebluetooth package by error... | 05:51 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: seems that as long as it is not in new, nobody can drop it.... | 05:52 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: bash_history is dangerous sometimes.... | 05:52 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: sorry for this..... first time this happens to me... | 05:52 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: hopefully it wopn't build because it has a universe builddep..... | 05:54 |
| Tonio_ | then I'll ask someone to drop this one | 05:54 |
| manchicken | Tonio_: I'll be using bluetooth soon :) | 05:55 |
| manchicken | Tonio_: My new lappy has it... so as soon as it shows up, I'll be able to sync my phone via bluetooth. | 05:56 |
| Tonio_ | manchicken: great :) | 05:56 |
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| Riddell | Tonio_: uh oh | 06:02 |
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| Tonio_ | Riddell: yeah..... sorry for this... | 06:04 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: btw, it looks pretty usable now, so that might be the opportunity to test it widelly :) | 06:04 |
| apachelogger | my revu bookmark folder is exploding | 06:09 |
| apachelogger | Riddell, ScottK: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=6246 | 06:09 |
| ScottK | apachelogger: Not reviewing today. Suggest you ask on #ubuntu-motu. | 06:09 |
| apachelogger | it doesn't get done anyway :P | 06:10 |
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| ryanakca | kwwii: any artwork stuff needing doing? C++ isn't working out too well for me :) | 06:21 |
| apachelogger | ScottK: fixed the typo -> http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=6248 -> please adovcate :) | 06:24 |
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| Tonio_ | allee: ping ? | 06:24 |
| apachelogger | hooray | 06:25 |
| ScottK | apachelogger: Done | 06:25 |
| apachelogger | ScottK: thx | 06:25 |
| ScottK | No problem. Thank you for contributing. | 06:25 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: upload has been rejected :) | 06:30 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: for once, that's cool :) | 06:30 |
| Riddell | phew | 06:32 |
| nixternal | Riddell: added the meeting to the fridge | 06:32 |
| nixternal | so what is on the agenda for today? | 06:32 |
| Riddell | today? wednesday I hope | 06:32 |
| nixternal | yes | 06:32 |
| nixternal | but what is on today's agenda for Kubuntu development :) | 06:33 |
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| Tonio_ | Riddell: I'll prepare valid packages for tomorrow, so that we can ask people to test | 06:35 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: I'll like to release gutsy with this | 06:36 |
| ScottK | nixternal: How about try to generate pgp errors with the new KDE4 packages and see if pgpme dies in mysterious horrible ways. | 06:37 |
| nixternal | OK, I need to install Kubuntu on my other system for that as I am using the KDE 4 from SVN on this machine | 06:40 |
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| kwwii | ryanakca: we need to do the sysinfo stuff still if you are intersted | 06:51 |
| kwwii | and we need to get the website done as well | 06:51 |
| ScottK | nixternal: As long as you have the Ubuntu gpgme, it should be fine. | 06:51 |
| ryanakca | kwwii: sysinfo being KInfoCenter? | 07:05 |
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| lontra | what's the status of kickoff for gutsy? | 07:07 |
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| nixternal | http://doc.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/index/C/index.html | 07:21 |
| nixternal | there is the beginning of what I envision as the new index for Kubuntu help | 07:21 |
| nixternal | and that is done in DocBook/XML, so that makes translations a breeze | 07:21 |
| lontra | why does upgrading from feisty -> gutsy want to remove knetworkmanager? | 07:24 |
| gnomefreak | because its not in gutsy | 07:27 |
| gnomefreak | lontra: maybe renamed | 07:28 |
| lontra | gnomefreak: but it doesn't install network-manager-kde instead ... it just removes knetworkmanager | 07:28 |
| gnomefreak | i dont have it installed on gutsy | 07:29 |
| lontra | but that just removes knetworkmanager and doesn't install the replacement ... do you know what i mean? | 07:29 |
| gnomefreak | lontra: just let it do what its doing, you are upgrading to a release that is unstable please expect breakage, however if you let it finish what its doing you should be fine | 07:30 |
| lontra | gnomefreak: yeah i just installed network-manager-kde after it finished. i know it's in development but my hardware doesn't work in feisty and it works in out of the box in gutsy and debian unstable | 07:31 |
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| keyes_ | hi | 07:32 |
| gnomefreak | lontra: why did you install network-manager-kde? just wondering | 07:32 |
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| lontra | gnomefreak: cause knetworkmanager was asked for removal after upgrading from feisty -> gutsy so i installed network-manager-kde which is knetworkmanager | 07:34 |
| keyes_ | I'm writing a KDE GUI for my Ubuntu SOC project (an encryped folder manager) (it currently have a CLI and a GTK GUI) and i've some questions | 07:34 |
| keyes_ | - must i wrote it in QT3 or 4 ? | 07:34 |
| keyes_ | - is there any way to wrote a Konqueror extension (add menu entries etc) in Python | 07:35 |
| fdoving | i'd suggest using qt4. | 07:35 |
| keyes_ | fdoving, ok, but what about KDElibs ? | 07:35 |
| fdoving | you can add menu-entries to konqueror with simple .desktop files, no need for a programming language. | 07:35 |
| keyes_ | ok for Konqueror | 07:36 |
| fdoving | keyes_: if you don't aim for kubuntu main at this time, it's not a problem to build-depend on kde4 kdelibs. | 07:36 |
| keyes_ | KDElibs 4 are frozen ? | 07:37 |
| fdoving | not sure.. but no big changes i guess. | 07:37 |
| keyes_ | hum | 07:38 |
| fdoving | for a simple gui it shouldn't matter much anyway. it's not like they will rewrite huge parts. | 07:38 |
| keyes_ | the goal is to be included in Universe for the next Ubuntu / Kubuntu release | 07:38 |
| fdoving | keyes_: then go for kde4. | 07:38 |
| keyes_ | ok | 07:38 |
| keyes_ | must I install gutsy or packages are available on feisty ? | 07:39 |
| fdoving | for kde4? | 07:39 |
| keyes_ | yes | 07:39 |
| fdoving | http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-alpha2.php | 07:39 |
| fdoving | those are a little bit old though. | 07:39 |
| keyes_ | nice :) | 07:40 |
| fdoving | but i belive the libs will be usable. | 07:40 |
| keyes_ | I'm not a KDE user, is it easy to add some actions to Konqueror like "execute this when entering in a folder" ? | 07:41 |
| fdoving | not as i'm aware. | 07:41 |
| keyes_ | ok | 07:42 |
| nixternal | wow, I just noticed that Kubuntu from KDM login to desktop is insanely fast all of a sudden..less than 5 seconds and I am prompted with my Kontact password | 07:42 |
| nixternal | before it was like 10+ seconds | 07:42 |
| fdoving | nixternal: i switched to the 'Simple' splash, and i'm in instantly. | 07:43 |
| nixternal | I have a moodin customized splash I did and it is crazy fast | 07:43 |
| fdoving | cool :) | 07:44 |
| fdoving | so.. dolphins isoservice.desktop is broken, even when i fix it it doesn't work. guess it should just be patched away. | 07:46 |
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| ryanakca | nixternal: cool :) | 07:50 |
| nixternal | what is that? | 07:50 |
| ryanakca | http://doc.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/index/C/index.html | 07:50 |
| jjesse | is that the new index? i love it | 07:50 |
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| nixternal | oh | 07:52 |
| nixternal | jjesse: yes...needs some work, but it is a good start | 07:52 |
| nixternal | and a real pita to get going as well | 07:52 |
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| fdoving | nixternal: that index is nice. great work. | 08:02 |
| nixternal | thanks...trying to think about what else to add...need a list of the hottest questions asked for Kubuntu...I am going through the kubuntu-users list as well as the Kubuntu Forums | 08:03 |
| nixternal | also going to add quick links to some stuff...like a link that will automatically fire Konversation so a new user can connect directly to #kubuntu for help | 08:04 |
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| fdoving | that will rock :) | 08:05 |
| fdoving | any main uploaders around? | 08:11 |
| fdoving | Riddell: around? - i have a modified dolphin package ready for upload. Removed the isoservice.desktop servicemenu file from the installed package, as the syntax of the file is incorrect and if i fix it it doesn't do anything. | 08:14 |
| ryanakca | nixternal: look around in #ubuntu-meta... log in and then grep it for any #kubuntu questions | 08:16 |
| ryanakca | s/log in/log it/g | 08:17 |
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| nixternal | ubuntu-meta? | 08:20 |
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| ryanakca | nixternal: yeah, the bot pastes questions that have been unanswered for 5 minutes | 08:22 |
| nixternal | ahh, pastes them from where? | 08:23 |
| ryanakca | #ubuntu , #ubuntu+1 , #kubuntu ... and I think that's it | 08:23 |
| ryanakca | #ubuntu-effects | 08:23 |
| nixternal | cool | 08:24 |
| fdoving | Riddell: the dolphin package is at http://ubuntu.lnix.net/archive/gutsy/ if you want it. | 08:25 |
| ryanakca | nixternal: http://pastebin.ca/639617 | 08:25 |
| jjesse | that's really cool | 08:47 |
| nixternal | whoa, heck ya that is cool | 08:48 |
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| alesan | hi | 10:17 |
| alesan | do you have an idea where I can get the isolinux "bootlogo" source? | 10:17 |
| alesan | or if there is a way to go back from that format to a format like png or similar? | 10:18 |
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| lontra | is the icon launch effect a patch that's in debian now? | 10:24 |
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| Riddell | alesan: it's gfxboot I think | 10:54 |
| alesan | Riddell, mh could you tell me a bit more? | 10:54 |
| Riddell | nope, that's all I know | 10:54 |
| alesan | but I am talking about the livecd... it should use isolinux, not grub or other bootloaders | 10:55 |
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| kwwii | it is gfxboot and while that is mysterious spooky stuff it is the best choice | 11:03 |
| kwwii | I made the graphics for it if that is what you mean | 11:03 |
| kwwii | atually, one of the features of gfxboot is that it allows as many colors as the usplash does | 11:03 |
| kwwii | lol, actually it support more in almost all cases :p | 11:03 |
| kwwii | alesan: http://sinecera.de/kusplash_feisty_idea2b.svg is the svg that I made the graphics from if you are interested in that | 11:04 |
| alesan | ok | 11:06 |
| alesan | and it works on isolinux also? | 11:06 |
| alesan | I am talking about the first menu on the livecd, the one that prompts to start ubuntu or memtestx86 etc | 11:07 |
| nixternal | http://amarok.kde.org/blog/uploads/Amarok2preview30-07-07.png | 11:19 |
| nixternal | that is beautiful | 11:19 |
| Nightrose | hehe nixternal tell nikolaj and the rest | 11:22 |
| nixternal | my god, that is the sexiest thing I have seen on a desktop | 11:22 |
| Nightrose | we appreciate it | 11:22 |
| Nightrose | apachelogger ^^ note that quote *g* | 11:22 |
| apachelogger | hm | 11:24 |
| apachelogger | quote? | 11:24 |
| apachelogger | hm | 11:24 |
| apachelogger | ah | 11:24 |
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| Nightrose | ;-) | 11:24 |
| apachelogger | nixternal: now that's a quote :D | 11:24 |
| nixternal | hehe | 11:25 |
| ryanakca | nixternal: that's awesome... KDE4 though? | 11:26 |
| nixternal | I can't tell if that is the oxygen theme or the qtwhatever it is called theme | 11:26 |
| nixternal | actually, that is plastik..but the buttons and what not | 11:27 |
| nixternal | so I am guessing it is oxygen | 11:27 |
| apachelogger | yeah, it's oxygen | 11:27 |
| apachelogger | you can see the background fading | 11:27 |
| apachelogger | from white to greyish | 11:27 |
| alesan | what are yuo talking about? | 11:28 |
| nixternal | oh ya | 11:28 |
| nixternal | I don't know if I like the Oxygen text boxes just yet | 11:29 |
| Nightrose | nixternal: it's really good to hear people say good things about the new amarok course there are a lot of people complaining (as always) | 11:29 |
| Nightrose | afraid of new things and so on | 11:29 |
| apachelogger | http://amarok.kde.org/en/node/242 | 11:29 |
| nixternal | people who complain I don't understand | 11:29 |
| nixternal | hehe | 11:30 |
| apachelogger | nixternal: the oxygen style is currently getting totally redone | 11:30 |
| apachelogger | looks already a lot smoother IMO | 11:30 |
| nixternal | I like everything else about it so far...that was just the first time I noticed those text boxes | 11:31 |
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