[12:32] <opopanax> hey
[12:32] <opopanax> acrobat doesn't seem to work.
[12:37] <kenro> Anyone know how to calibrate a gamepad?
[12:48] <OSUKid7> hi, I'm running Ubuntu gutsy on my Thinkpad T61... I have an Intel iwl4965 wifi, and have installed the driver. Wireless works great on several different wireless networks, but after anywhere from 10-60 minutes, connections are dropped, and pings to my default gateway result in "Destination Host Unreachable" - any idea how to resolve this?
[01:11] <RAOF> OSUKid7: Hey cool.
[01:11] <OSUKid7> lol
[01:12] <RAOF> That's pretty much exactly the same thing that I see with th iwl3945 drivers
[01:12] <OSUKid7> ah, good to know
[01:12] <RAOF> (You used the Ubuntu drivers, right?)
[01:13] <OSUKid7> well, I had to install the drivers from intellinuxwireless.org a few weeks ago, since afaik, there weren't any available in ubuntu gutsy at the time...
[01:13] <OSUKid7> but today I reinstalled the linux-ubuntu-modules package, and have the same problem
[01:13] <RAOF> Yeah, fair enough.  Well, experimental drivers :)
[01:14] <OSUKid7> not entirely sure which I'm using right now... I did a rmmod iwl4965; modprobe iwl4965 ater reinstalling that package
[01:14] <RAOF> Oooh, you're probably a candidiate for some experimental nvidia drivers too, aren't you? :)
[01:14] <OSUKid7> hah yeahhh... notice I'm also in #nvidia ;)
[01:14] <OSUKid7> I have the nvidia driver working now, but I have to reinstall it every reboot :\
[01:14] <RAOF> OSUKid7: If you do a "modprobe -vvv iwl4945", you'll get enough info to work out.
[01:15] <OSUKid7> hmm
[01:15] <OSUKid7> RAOF: I did sudo modprobe -vvv iwl4965 and don't get any output
[01:15] <RAOF> OSUKid7: Well, watch this space: https://dogfood.launchpad.net/~raof/+archive
[01:16] <OSUKid7> alright
[01:16] <RAOF> OSUKid7: Yeah, you'll need to modprobe -r iwl4945 first.
[01:16] <OSUKid7> ah, guess I'll go back to a wired connection before doing that... lol
[01:17] <RAOF> I'll be putting up some nouveau driver packages into that PPA.  Then you can test two experimental drivers at once!
[01:17] <OSUKid7> heh
[01:18] <OSUKid7> yeah and here I thought I'd have a pretty easy ubuntu install on a Thinkpad with Intel wifi and nvidia graphics :\
[01:18] <RAOF> OSUKid7: New hardware *always* sucks
[01:18] <OSUKid7> yeah
[01:19] <OSUKid7> gutsy at least let me get wifi working... couldn't even install it correctly on feisty
[01:22] <OSUKid7> yeah... in case you or anyone is interested in my nvidia problem...
 hi, I'm running Ubuntu gutsy/7.10 on my Thinkpad T61 with an nvidia quadro 140M. I've installed the nvidia driver with "NVIDIA-Linux-x86_64-100.14.11-pkg2.run" and it works great... except I have to reinstall it ever reboot. When X tries to start on boot, I get a "Failed to initialize the NVIDIA kernel module!" error. I re-run the installer, and X starts fine with the nvidia driver again. xorg.conf doesn't change at all. any ideas?
[01:23] <OSUKid7> and I was told: <rafaMEX> OSUKid7 to fix it, uninstall nvidia drivers, and use ubuntu packages with nvidia drivers, but for the full procedure please visit the website and/or #ubuntu
[01:23] <RAOF> Yeah, he's wrong.  At least until the "Please upgrade to 100 series drivers" bug is fixed.
[01:24] <OSUKid7> ah ok. guess I'll just keep reinstalling every boot :\
[01:25] <RAOF> You should actually only need to modprobe the nvidia kernel module, actually.
[01:25] <OSUKid7> alright, I'll try that next time
[01:26] <RAOF> You might actually have to insmod it manually, since when I was playing around with those drivers modprobe didn't know about the right directory.
[01:26] <RAOF> Morning Amaranth!
[01:28] <Amaranth> hey
[01:28] <Amaranth> i'm using my ppa to make compiz packages for feisty
[01:30] <RAOF> I'm using my PPA to make nouveau packages for Gutsy :)
[01:31] <RAOF> Amaranth: I thought the PPAs built only for the current dev release?
[01:31] <Amaranth> no
[01:31] <Amaranth> all currently supported distros, afaik
[01:32] <Amaranth> well, my first try failed the same way it does in real feisty (had to test)
[01:32] <OSUKid7> RAOF: $ sudo modprobe -vvv iwl4965 / insmod /lib/modules/2.6.22-8-generic/kernel/net/wireless/cfg80211.ko / insmod /lib/modules/2.6.22-8-generic/kernel/net/mac80211/mac80211.ko / insmod /lib/modules/2.6.22-8-generic/kernel/drivers/net/wireless/iwl4965.ko
[01:33] <Amaranth> that reminds me
[01:33] <OSUKid7> so I'm using the ubuntu drivers?
[01:33] <Amaranth> RAOF: do you have iwl3945 working?
[01:33] <OSUKid7> heh
[01:33] <RAOF> Amaranth: Yes.  Where "working" is "connects to WPA2, then drops out after 10-60 minutes"
[01:33] <Amaranth> heh
[01:33] <Amaranth> when i modprobe it i get a wlan0_rename device and it won't associate
[01:35] <RAOF> OSUKid7: It looks like you're using the non-ubuntu drivers, actually.
[01:35] <Amaranth> but ipw3945 + networkmanager won't even do WPA2 so... :)
[01:35] <RAOF> Amaranth: Really?  Mine works
[01:35] <Amaranth> also, the 2.6.22-9-rt kernel is stuck in C0
[01:35] <Amaranth> which i hope isn't by design because it'd be really nice to use otherwise
[01:35] <OSUKid7> RAOF: hmm ok, how can you tell? and should I/how would I change to the ubuntu drivers?
[01:36] <RAOF> OSUKid7: Because the correct path contains "ubuntu/" in it.
[01:37] <OSUKid7> RAOF, Amaranth: yeah, my networkmanager with iwl4965 doesn't list WPA2 either... just WPA
[01:37] <Amaranth> that's different
[01:37] <tiagoboldt> any major problem from some last updates? or is my disk starting to fail? :|
[01:37] <Amaranth> mine with ipw3945 shows WPA2 but only works with WEP
[01:37] <Amaranth> if i use wpa_supplicant manually it works :)
[01:39] <Amaranth> RAOF: you should try the new realtime kernel, see if you get the same problem
[01:39] <RAOF> Amaranth: I will, once I see it :)
[01:39] <Amaranth> it's in
[01:39] <Amaranth> just no linux-meta update yet
[01:39] <RAOF> Aaah.
[01:40] <Amaranth> so it's linux-image-2.6.22-9-rt
[01:41] <RAOF> No l-r-m-rt?
[01:41] <Amaranth> nope
[01:41] <Amaranth> no l-u-m-rt either
[01:41] <Amaranth> the source packages are in
[01:41] <Amaranth> hell, the binaries might be by now too
[01:43] <Amaranth> ah l-u-m is built, l-r-m failed on the -rt stuff
[01:43] <Amaranth> hehe
[01:43] <Amaranth> i think in the ati driver
[01:43] <RAOF> Amaranth: What's the advantage of the -rt kernel?
[01:44] <Amaranth> RAOF: you trade overall performance for 'snapiness'
[01:44] <Amaranth> it basically makes every part of the kernel preemptable
[01:44] <RAOF> Aaah.  Cool.
[01:44] <Amaranth> imagine your music not skipping even with 1000 load
[01:44] <RAOF> At the cost of locking overhead.
[01:44] <Amaranth> oh, and the system is still completely usable
[01:44] <Amaranth> right
[01:45] <RAOF> That seems a very fair trade to me.
[01:45] <RAOF> -rt ftw!
[01:45] <Amaranth> well, unless it's stuck in C0
[01:45] <Amaranth> that makes it about worthless
[01:46] <RAOF> True
[01:46] <Amaranth> and makes my cpu run 15C warmer
[01:46] <RAOF> :)
[01:52] <OSUKid7> RAOF: fyi, modprobe -r nvidia; modprobe nvidia let me startx after reboot
[02:22] <RAOF> Heh.  I'm accidentally using the iwl drivers :)
[02:44] <leperkhanz> Since I'm running gutsy tribe 3, I always report bugs with the report button that pops up, but how useful is that really, and is there something I can do in that process to be more helpful?
[02:45] <leperkhanz> launchpad is telling me Not allowed here.
[02:53] <Stormx2> I've looked at the launchpad blueprints; but is there any big new features being championed for gutsy?
[03:04] <sq89> Stormx2: compiz by default, better laptop support...
[04:07] <RAOF_> Amaranth: Yup, -rt locks my cpu in C0 too.
[04:16] <Amaranth> RAOF_: dang
[04:16] <Amaranth> wonder if that's be design
[04:16] <Amaranth> i mean, i can see the point but eh
[04:17] <RAOF_> What would the point be?
[04:18] <RAOF_> I suppose that there's a delay involved in the Cx -> C0 state, and RT doesn't really want that delay?
[04:20] <snadge> if you want real time.. then surely thats the most important thing
[04:20] <Amaranth> right
[04:20] <snadge> power states etc are secondary
[04:20] <Amaranth> because the lower your C state the longer it takes to get back to C0
[04:21] <snadge> lemme get this straight.. gutsy comes with an rt kerneL? :)
[04:21] <Amaranth> yes
[04:22] <Amaranth> and eww, when i google for 'realtime acpi C state' i get mostly patents
[04:29] <snadge> very cool.. now all ubuntu needs is software that doesnt suck
[04:29] <snadge> im joking btw.. im not trolling.. i love ubuntu, use it exclusively
[04:29] <calc> snadge: :P
[04:30] <snadge> i just get frustrated when my wanker friends continue to use windows because "linux sucks" "it doesnt do anything i want to do" "*insert wanker reason #236 for running windows*" etc
[04:30] <calc> there are a few things i use windows for but not much anymore
[04:31] <calc> my wife uses it for photoshop, otherwise i would have had her converted already
[04:31] <snadge> i know its dangerous territory and murky waters.. but i'd really like to see something like kvm, able to run windows and ubuntu simulataneously
[04:31] <snadge> including 3d games
[04:32] <snadge> then i could get ALL of my friends to switch instantly
[04:32] <calc> snadge: that should be doable in the near future with vmware
[04:32] <calc> snadge: its already partially doable depending on the game with transgaming cedega
[04:32] <snadge> kvm is free software though, granted it needs hardware support.. but thats the idea for it to run transparently/smoothly
[04:33] <RAOF_> calc: Or even just wine.
[04:33] <snadge> whilst wine has come an incredibly long way towards running games
[04:33] <snadge> only someone with an overractive imagination would claim that its as good as running the games in windows
[04:33] <RAOF_> Oh, indeed.
[04:33] <calc> RAOF_: i thought wine didn't emulate copy protection?
[04:33] <RAOF_> But it runs Civ4 and WoW.
[04:34] <RAOF_> calc: True, but who doesn't just patch that out?
[04:34] <calc> heh well... ;)
[04:34] <jmg> hello all
[04:34] <jmg> is openvpn fscked?
[04:34] <snadge> yeah.. when i start going down this path.. i get the response "great.. so if i stuff around for ages.. i can run SOME windows games.. great"
[04:34] <jmg> snadge: plant
[04:34] <calc> windows games aren't all that great anyway
[04:34] <calc> i only played civ4 since i got it free with my video card
[04:35] <snadge> oh as for the photoshop comment.. i believe wine can run that?
[04:35] <calc> snadge: aiui only old versions of photoshop
[04:35] <calc> snadge: and buggy at that
[04:35] <jmg> is the tap device module missing from gutsy?
[04:35] <jmg> i cant connect to an openvpn tunnel
[04:35] <snadge> or crossover office, i know it specifically has support for photoshop CS
[04:35] <calc> snadge: i haven't tested it myself but i read through the wine support list
[04:35] <jmg> not sure why
[04:35] <calc> snadge: hmm i'll have to take a look at that
[04:35] <snadge> but its a proprietry fork of wine
[04:35] <jmg> just hangs at connect
[04:36] <calc> if i could get photoshop working with her filters i'm pretty sure i could get her to convert
[04:37] <calc> she already doesn't want to ever go to vista so that would be a good transition point
[04:37] <snadge> its worth paying for crossover office even if it worked
[04:37] <snadge> if it were me.. i'd pirate it.. try it.. if i was happy with it.. then i'd pay for it
[04:37] <calc> yea
[04:37] <snadge> or just continue using pirated version :/ still better than running windows (which is probably pirated version anyway.. hopefully) ;)
[04:38] <calc> heh
[04:38] <jmg> hoist the jolly roger
[04:38] <calc> i have a legal copy of vista that came preinstalled on my laptop :(
[04:38] <snadge> none of my friends who are windows users.. have paid for it
[04:38] <calc> but vista is yuck
[04:39] <snadge> they all have beige box pcs built from parts with no operating system
[04:39] <snadge> hehe
[04:39] <calc> heh
[04:39] <snadge> and i've known people who have bought laptops with vista preinstalled
[04:39] <calc> i build my own desktops, not sure if i will in the future, i only do it for overclocking purposes
[04:39] <snadge> who have installed a pirated copy of xp over the top
[04:39] <snadge> heh
[04:39] <jmg> can anyone verify that openvpn is working in gutsy?
[04:40] <calc> yea i'll probably downgrade to xp for my window partition since vista is just horridly slow and unresponsive
[04:40] <calc> on a 1GB core 2 duo laptop... its a pos
[04:40] <snadge> and they feel justified in doing so.. because they've already paid the overinflated price for vista.. even though technically, its illegal to do that
[04:40] <calc> i've read somewhere that you can legally downgrade from vista to xp under some terms, not sure if its only for businesses though
[04:41] <snadge> hehe no.. its worse than that
[04:41] <snadge> you have to pay a fee to transfer the license from vista to xp
[04:41] <snadge> and then you're no longer licensed to use vista
[04:41] <snadge> oh and no refund
[04:41] <calc> fun stuff
[04:42] <calc> i'm not sure if i will even be able to find drivers for xp for my hardware
[05:25] <Amaranth> calc: my laptop doesn't pass the performance tests to run vista with all the bling
[05:25] <Amaranth> it's got a GeForce Go 7400
[05:26] <Amaranth> of course that might be because nvidia's drivers at the time sucked (but they still do so...)
[05:28] <Toma-> wow
[05:28] <Toma-> i guess it does start now
[06:33] <keram> anyone know how to get sound working on a thinkpad x61?
[06:34] <rockets> keram: yeah you have to install the latest alsa driver
[06:34] <rockets> keram: as in, compile and install it.
[06:34] <keram> ah
[06:34] <keram> okay
[06:34] <keram> so no package for it?
[06:34] <rockets> Well gutsy might have it, but I don't know for sure.
[06:35] <rockets> If your sound doesn't work then I'll assume it doesn't.
[06:35] <keram> AlsaMixer v1.0.14
[06:35] <keram> thats the one i have installed
[06:35] <rockets> well go check the alsa site
[06:35] <keram> ah yeah, i see 1.0.9 on the site
[06:35] <keram> :] 
[06:36] <rockets> heh
[06:36] <snadge> website not up to date? :P
[06:37] <keram> hmm, i guess 9 would be lower than 14
[06:37] <keram> interesting
[06:38] <keram> oh i found 14rc4 on the website
[06:38] <keram> maybe that is more up to date than the 14 i have
[06:43] <snadge> generally not
[06:43] <snadge> rc means release candidate
[06:43] <snadge> so thats release candidate 4 of that version.. rather than the actual released version
[06:44] <RAOF_> keram: You're looking http://www.alsa-project.org/ , right?  Where it says 1.0.14a ?
[06:44] <snadge> and a means alpha? :P
[06:44] <RAOF_> keram: Anyway, what you actually want is the bugtracker.  See if anyone else with your card/laptop has problems, and what's being done to fix them.
[06:45] <RAOF_> snadge: 'a' means "First revision" :)
[06:48] <T-Connect> Do I need to send flash player fail to install report here?
[06:48] <RAOF_> No, to launchpad.
[06:49] <RAOF_> But check whether or not it's been reported first :)
[06:49] <T-Connect> md5sum mismatch install_flash_player_9_linux.tar.gz -> The Flash plugin is NOT installed.
[06:49] <astro76> T-Connect, there's an updated package https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/feisty/i386/flashplugin-nonfree/9.0.48.0.0ubuntu1~7.04.0
[06:50] <T-Connect> Oh ok.
[06:51] <astro76> I believe the problem is adobe updated the tar.gz
[06:52] <T-Connect> I got the auto download and install from a flash game website.
[06:52] <keram> how do i figure out what sound  card i have?
[06:53] <RAOF_> Welcome to the world of "every laptop is subtly but importantly different" https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingSoundProblems
[08:45] <phish> I keep getting Gtk-WARNING **: /usr/lib/gtk-2.0/2.10.0/engines/libubuntulooks.so: wrong ELF class: ELFCLASS64 with 32 bit apps, even though I have ia32-libs installed... any clue why?
[08:45] <phish> I know it should be using /usr/lib32/gtk... but I can't figure out why it won't
[08:46] <RAOF_> Does the window end up themed?
[08:46] <phish> nope
[08:46] <phish> which is super annoying
[08:46] <RAOF_> Which eliminates the "just looking in the wrong place first" option :)
[08:48] <phish> I've looked around and not found much of anything to reference except flash related problems for firefox way back on breezy or something
[08:48] <phish> it happens on more than just one app
[08:48] <phish> firefox 2 and 3... and some other completely different application of which I can't remember
[08:49] <phish> I don't use many other 32 bit programs : )
[08:50] <RAOF_> Ah.  You want fully-featured flash, then.-
[08:51] <phish> yep
[08:51] <RAOF_> Maybe file a bug (tm)
[08:51] <phish> thought about doing so but I can't *believe* no one has had this sorta problem yet
[08:52] <phish> hmm, I guess I'll try seeing if it works in a clean environment
[08:52] <phish> perhaps old configs are screwing things up
[08:52] <RAOF_> The set of 32bit programs that I use is {wine}, and many of the ubuntu devs that run amd64 don't even use that.
[08:52] <RAOF_> It's *entirely* possible that you're the first person to hit this :)
[08:56] <phish> well that sucks, happens in clean environment too
[08:56] <phish> bah, I guess I'll file a bug report tomorrow
[08:56] <RAOF_> Welcome to the untested edge :)
[08:56] <phish> pff
[08:56] <phish> I've been running on the untested edges of things for years
[08:57] <phish> I've just always make-shifted a solution
[08:57] <phish> haven't a clue how the /usr/lib32 and /usr/lib stuff is handled though and I don't wanna use symlinks to bork my 64 bit apps :)
[08:58] <phish> thanks for your help though
[09:06] <cypherdelic> hello guys
[09:08] <cypherdelic> i got a question: yesterday the 2.6.22-9-rt update came and also nvidia-glx-new seems to was updated, but i removed all kernel-modules, nvidia-kernel-common, updated apt, and upgraded my kernel, but the nvidia-glx-new in version 2.6.22-9.5 wasnt there.
[09:08] <cypherdelic> is it missing or am i too stupid to get all things working with the realtime preemption?
[09:09] <RAOF_> The linux-restricted-modules package hasn't built yet
[09:10] <cypherdelic> all right :) thanks for that information, i will be patient
[09:11] <RAOF_> So none of the -9 kernels will work for you.  This is why you should wait until you can install the "linux-rt" or "linux-generic" metapackages :)
[09:11] <cypherdelic> im excited about that rt, am i right that it is a 1000Hz based kernel? generic is 100Hz?
[09:12] <RAOF_> No, it's a fully preemptible kernel.
[09:12] <RAOF_> Generic is tickless (on i386, at least)
[09:12] <cypherdelic> tickless? dynamic ticks????
[09:12] <RAOF_> The queston "should I use 100Hz or 1000Hz" now has the answer "no" :)
[09:12] <RAOF_> Yes, dyntick
[09:13] <RAOF_> Laptop owners go wild!
[09:13] <cypherdelic> i know whats about that, im with a laptop so i know in 2.6.23 there will be dynamic ticks
[09:13] <RAOF_> Already is in .22
[09:13] <cypherdelic> i dont know if rt is the best for laptop
[09:13] <RAOF_> Just not for amd64 :(
[09:13] <cypherdelic> lol
[09:13] <cypherdelic> very funny
[09:14] <RAOF_> cypherdelic: -rt is broken for laptops.  Your CPU never leaves C0 (ie: running)
[09:14] <calc> isn't i386 already obsolete?
[09:14] <cypherdelic> im with core 2 duo and amd64
[09:14] <RAOF_> Also known as "I don't need no stinking battery life"
[09:14] <cypherdelic> RAOF, but i already installed that kernel and run it successfully
[09:15] <RAOF_> calc: Only in the same way that keyboards are obsolete.
[09:15] <RAOF_> cypherdelic: For how long?  Did you check out the battery life?  Did you check powertop?
[09:15] <cypherdelic> my laptop iosnt really a laptop, most of the time it is on AC
[09:15] <calc> RAOF_: well all new chips are amd64 already... and it is faster than i386 and supports more memory, etc
[09:16] <RAOF_> calc: True, although the "fasterness" is due to limitations of IA32 rather than any inherent goodness of 64bit code
[09:16] <calc> RAOF_: yea ia32 sucks
[09:16] <cypherdelic> i dont know whats about people telling, uhh i386 is still more general... and because of flash, i dont know whats the problem, there are enough available flash solutions for amd64 i.e. gnash
[09:17] <calc> RAOF_: the 4GB (~ 2GB effective) limit should cause that to be a few years at most
[09:17] <calc> RAOF_: eg the next release of windows
[09:17] <RAOF_> calc: No, people will just enable PAE.
[09:17] <calc> PAE causes a fairly significant performance penalty
[09:17] <RAOF_> IA32 systems can reference 64Gb of memory, and no single process is going to need >4gb in the near future.
[09:18] <calc> iirc Vista+1 won't ship with ia32 support as well unless they change their mind
[09:18] <RAOF_> calc: Not so much that you wouldn't turn it on to gain a couple of gb of ram :)
[09:18] <calc> iirc PAE causes ~ 15% slowdown
[09:18] <RAOF_> I call bull
[09:18] <calc> RAOF_: i am quoting numbers i have seen off linux-kernel several years ago
[09:19] <RAOF_> That may be 15% slowdown in absolute worst case synthetic benchmarks, but not overall usage.
[09:19] <calc> hmm ok
[09:20] <calc> even with PAE your total available memory per process would be less than 4GB due to pci address space right?
[09:20] <calc> or does that completely swap out as well?
[09:20] <leperkhanz> What's the command to restart compiz?  -compiz & replace or something?
[09:20] <cypherdelic> compiz --replace &
[09:20] <leperkhanz> thanks
[09:21] <leperkhanz> !
[09:21] <leperkhanz> :D
[09:21] <calc> if pci address space is still inside the address space of the app in PAE it won't be long before even PAE is not useful due to the size of memory in video cards going over 1GB already
[09:22] <RAOF_> I don't think that's in the memory maps of processes.
[09:22] <calc> ok
[09:29] <cypherdelic> my sensons-applets causes gnome-panel to crash
[09:30] <cypherdelic> no , not to crash but to hang
[09:31] <cypherdelic> panels doesnt respond, cant click, in this state it is very hard to remove it from the panel again
[09:31] <cypherdelic> because i can only kill the process, then it asks me if i would like to remove it from the panel or not...
[09:32] <cypherdelic> but i cant click ... wuhaaa :(
[09:32] <cypherdelic> and if i kill gnome-panel, it reloads with sensors-applet again, lol
[09:33] <cypherdelic> so currently im running without temperature monitor on laptop, thats not nice
[09:56] <xst> According to the blueprints gutsy will contain xorg7.3. But does anyone know when this will be implemented in the test/tribe CDs?
[09:58] <RAOF_> When it's done.  Which will be some time after 7.3 has been released.  Which hasn't happened yet, AFAIK :)
[10:00] <RAOF_> xst: Given that it's due to be released sometime next month, I'd guess we'll see it in Gutsy towards the end of August or beginning of September.
[10:01] <xst> ok, thnx
[10:47] <leperkhanz> Sorry for the question AGAIN, but how do I reboot compiz?  compiz --replace & or something?
[10:48] <leperkhanz> nm, that was it.
[12:31] <b0b> hi ! could you help me ? i cannot change my resolution under console mode with my intel graphic card (x3100gfx). i put video=intelfb:mode=1024x768-32@60 in /boot/grub/menu.lst (kernel line) and have no effect and error. i'm trying to load the module manually -> modprobe intelfb mode=1024x768-32@60 and have the same. i decide to use the tool -> "fbset" to force the resolution ... and when i try to run them i get this error -> "ope
[12:56] <IdleOne> !fixres | b0b
[12:56] <ubotu> b0b: The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type  sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart  in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[12:58] <b0b> ubotu: no x, under console
[12:58] <b0b> IdleOne: ^^
[01:06] <Gentine> Hello
[03:12] <humbolto> Will gutsy or the next LTS release's installer include the capability to create encrypted partitions?
[03:13] <humbolto> I strongly feel, especially because the whole FOSS movement so strongly is built on the idea of freedom, that you should include this feature.
[03:14] <humbolto> There are so many people who would need this to protect their freedom.
[03:14] <Hobbsee> gutsy wont
[03:14] <humbolto> Think of anit gov journalists, bloggers, ...
[03:15] <humbolto> Hobbsee: not even on the alternative installer CD, since Debian does include this already.
[03:15] <Hobbsee> is there a spec for it now?
[03:15] <humbolto> I did not see one yet, am about to look again.
[03:15] <humbolto> But there might have been one for an earlier release.
[03:16] <humbolto> There are some: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu?searchtext=encrypt
[03:17] <humbolto> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/cryptoroot-home-swap-install
[03:18] <humbolto> No kidding, this feature is essential for free journalists to be able to continue to do their jobs
[03:19] <humbolto> Since Debian has it, it can't be too difficult to get it in ubuntu
[03:19] <humbolto> If you have any say in this, I beg you on my knees, make it a target for the LTS release.
[03:20] <Hobbsee> i dont personally, no
[03:20] <humbolto> Please.
[03:20] <humbolto> Maybe you know somebody.
[03:21] <Hobbsee> i would imagine they'll look into it for the next release - that one i pointed to has the installer guy's name on it
[03:21] <humbolto> Maybe, you are just around here frequently enough to give my concern some voice.
[03:21] <humbolto> I beg you, please use them.
[03:26] <humbolto> I appreciate you sharing your insights about the community processes involved here. What is your reccommendation on how to get this impelmented either for gutsy (propably to late) but at least for gutsy+1.
[03:26] <humbolto> Hobbsee: Are you an active dev?
[03:27] <dexem> Hi! I'm have upgraded from feisty to gutsy, and having a Macbook pro with an ATI card, my X crashes (core dump) I've seen some people saying it's because the ddc module or some other reasons, but none works
[03:27] <Hobbsee> humbolto: yes, although i've taken a break over the last week or so
[03:28] <Hobbsee> humbolto: probably by speaking to the people who are working with the installer and such (cjwatson, and now evand), and collaborate with them.  offer to help code it.
[03:28] <dexem> you can see the error here: http://pastebin.com/m758c60
[03:28] <dexem> any clue?
[03:28] <humbolto> Hobbsee: I'd certainly help to code, but I am just a user. Somebody who relies on being able to protect his sources.
[03:29] <Hobbsee> humbolto: then find people willing
[03:29] <Hobbsee> humbolto: there are lots of worthy specs, and a limited number of people who code things.
[03:29] <humbolto> Hobbsee: As such, I am afraid, I can't help code and my voice might not be taken seriously.
[03:31] <Hobbsee> humbolto: i dont code either, in the sense that you're meaning
[03:31] <humbolto> Hobbsee: you package and patch?
[03:31] <Hobbsee> humbolto: apply patches.  not usually create them.  yes
[03:31] <Hobbsee> and package, yes
[03:34] <humbolto> Let me tell you, I greatly appreciate your contributions! They make the world a better place!
[03:35] <humbolto> What things are you working on?
[03:39] <humbolto> I took the liberty to have a look at your launchpad profile. I am impressed of the sheer endless list of packages you have contributed.
[03:39] <Hobbsee> humbolto: more the people side of things. .kubuntu, motu, i co-did the release management of the last tribe
[03:39] <Hobbsee> hehe
[03:39] <Hobbsee> every once in a while that crashes - and i think that's not a full list anymore
[03:54] <dexem> Do you know any other place where I could ask about gutsy problems?
[03:56] <asisak> dexem: maybe the forums
[03:59] <roe> anyone else unable to open OO.org after one of the recent updates?
[04:01] <gnomefreak> roe: iirc ther eis a bug filed on it
[04:02] <roe> ok
[04:02] <Hobbsee> ther's a bug, and a fair few dupes, about that
[04:07] <Gentine> Hey
[04:09] <Gentine> Anyonehome?
[04:09] <gnomefreak> !anyone
[04:09] <ubotu> A large amount of the first questions asked in this channel start with "Does anyone/anybody..."  Why not ask your next question (the real one) and find out?
[04:12] <asisak> Not very useful.
[04:17] <gnomefreak> he wanted to chat thats why he left
[05:37] <Gentine> What's going on?
[05:37] <dexem> Hi! I'm have upgraded from feisty to gutsy, and having a Macbook pro with an ATI card, my X crashes (core dump) I've seen some people saying it's because the ddc module or some other reasons, but none works
[05:37] <dexem> you can see the error here: http://pastebin.com/m758c60
[05:38] <dexem> any clue?
[05:38] <Gentine> Looks like garbage to me.
[06:37] <lontra> if i have an intel 945 chipset ... in gutsy should i be using the -intel driver or the -i810?
[06:48] <assasukasse> hi all, i was wondering if there is any xubuntu user over here
[06:48] <assasukasse> and what did they found broken in alpha 3
[07:12] <fwefe> I cant fix drivers for my aticard..when I try to activate it with restricted manager it doesnt work
[07:15] <hwilde> !ati | fwefe
[07:15] <ubotu> fwefe: To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[07:15] <HEP85> I'm having trouble with the 3D-Desktop options. I can't disable it, because it always crashes when I do this
[07:16] <HEP85> Where is the configuration stored, so that I can reset it from console?
[07:16] <hwilde> locate 3ddesk
[07:16] <hwilde> there is a conf file
[07:16] <HEP85> nothing found
[07:17] <hwilde> sudo updatedb
[07:17] <hwilde> then locate 3ddesk
[07:18] <hwilde> /etc/3ddesktop/3ddesktop.conf
[07:19] <HEP85> it is missing. could that be the problem?
[07:19] <hwilde> why don't you just remove and reinstall it
[07:20] <HEP85> good idea. what is the package name?
[07:21] <fwefe> hwilde: As I said I have already tried activating it with the "restricted manager"...it doesnt work
[07:23] <hwilde> HEP85, 3ddesktop
[07:24] <hwilde> fwefe, sorry I don't use that thing.
[07:24] <crdlb> what?
[07:24] <fwefe> I cant fix drivers for my aticard..when I try to activate it with restricted manager it doesnt work
[07:24] <HEP85> There is no 3ddesktop package
[07:24] <crdlb> I believe HEP85 is talking about desktop effects :)
[07:24] <crdlb> not 3ddesk
[07:25] <HEP85> neither 3ddesk
[07:25] <crdlb> have you tried just "metacity --replace", to turn it off?
[07:26] <HEP85> crdlb: yes. also crashes. I need to turn it off, while it is not running
[07:26] <hwilde> silly me, I thought he meant 3ddesktop when he said:  <HEP85> I'm having trouble with the 3D-Desktop options
[07:27] <HEP85> hwilde: Sorry. I was wrong. I mean the Desktop Effects in Appearance settings
[07:27] <crdlb> so compiz is crashing?
[07:28] <HEP85> yes, but only when I try to disable it
[07:30] <HEP85> same thing happens when adding a plugin
[07:33] <fwefe> I cant fix drivers for my aticard..when I try to activate it with restricted manager it doesnt work
[07:36] <AnAnt> how can I run a 32-bit application under the AMD64 version of ubuntu ?
[07:38] <gnomefreak> depends whhat it iss AnAnt
[07:38] <AnAnt> gnomefreak: meaning ?
[07:39] <gnomefreak> AnAnt: nspluginwrapper allows you to use 32bit flash and java and stuff for 64 browser but really depends on the app
[07:39] <AnAnt> gnomefreak: no, it's a standalone app, not a firefox plugin
[07:40] <gnomefreak> AnAnt: chroot would be the way i would think
[07:40] <AnAnt> gnomefreak: that's the only way ?
[07:40] <gnomefreak> AnAnt: afaik
[07:40] <AnAnt> gnomefreak: ok, thanks
[07:41] <gnomefreak> yw
[07:41] <lontra> what video driver should i be using in gutsy for an intel 945GM chip?  intel or i810?
[07:43] <T-Connect> How I get everything auto set to Arrange Items / By type on all folders.
[07:44] <T-Connect> I don't like to do Arrange Items / By type all the time.
[08:13] <_Shade_> hi
[08:13] <_Shade_> will i have the desktop effects support in gutsy using an XGL?
[08:15] <_Shade_> i've heard that it would be enabled by default and i'm having some problems with it in feisty
[08:16] <_Shade_> so what would you say?
[08:26] <shirish> anybody knows who manages ubotu?
[08:26] <asisak> shirish: yes
[08:26] <asisak> !info ubotu
[08:26] <ubotu> Package ubotu does not exist in gutsy
[08:26] <asisak> !bugs
[08:26] <ubotu> If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug report at: http://bugs.ubuntu.com/  -  Bugs in/wishes for the bots can be filed at http://launchpad.net/products/ubuntu-bots
[08:26] <asisak> shirish: read the latter
[08:28] <_Shade_> anyone can answer my gutsy question? :)
[08:30] <shirish> asisak: thanx for the tips
[08:30] <gnomefreak> _Shade_: join #ubuntu-effects and ask for help
[08:30] <asisak> you are welcome, shirish
[08:31] <shirish> asisak: mine was a simple thing but yet not so simple, needed/wanted to add the meaning of ftbfs in the ubotu database
[08:31] <gnomefreak> shirish: i told you why im not adding it you now know the answer to it
[08:33] <gnomefreak> when i have time i will try to combine alot of terms together and make a factoid on it
[08:33] <shirish> gnomefreak: thanx gnomefreak ;)
[08:42] <databuddy> hm
[08:42] <databuddy> by right clicking and selecting send to workspace # works via the window list on toolbar but not by hovering on titlebar on windows - known bug?
[09:05] <keram`> hey
[09:05] <keram`> how do i make sur emy audio isnt muted
[09:09] <gnomefreak> keram`: alsamixer
[09:11] <keram`> gnomefreak, how many options is alsamixer supposed to have?
[09:11] <keram`> because i only see 2
[09:11] <gnomefreak> keram`: ~ 6 or so
[09:11] <keram`> i only see 2 :/
[09:11] <gnomefreak> keram`: use the right arrow
[09:11] <gnomefreak> see if you see more
[09:11] <keram`> yeah it stops at PCM
[09:11] <gnomefreak> oh
[09:11] <keram`> i just have Master and PCM
[09:12] <gnomefreak> than im not sure
[09:28] <kylem> keram`, which chipset?
[09:28] <keram`> kylem, i'm not sure
[09:28] <keram`> 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) HD Audio Controller (rev 03)
[09:28] <kylem> it should say at the top of alsamixer
[09:29] <keram`> Chip: Analog Devices ID 1984
[09:29] <kylem> right.
[09:29] <keram`> that other line though is the output of lspci
[09:29] <kylem> keram`, send me an email, i'll send you a link to a fix to test when i get ti built
[09:29] <keram`> what is your email?
[09:29] <kylem> kyle@ubuntu.com
[09:29] <keram`> ok cool
[09:29] <keram`> :] 
[09:31] <keram`> sent
[09:32] <kylem> ok. i'll get back to you when i have packages built. i386 or amd64?
[10:11] <keram`> kylem, i386
[10:18] <shirish> guys I am not able to get into GNOME, I have errors in my x-session errors file, where should I report it?
[10:18] <asisak> !bugs | shirish
[10:18] <ubotu> shirish: If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug report at: http://bugs.ubuntu.com/  -  Bugs in/wishes for the bots can be filed at http://launchpad.net/products/ubuntu-bots
[10:18] <shirish> asisak: I mean which package should I file the bug under, i have filed bugs at launchpad
[10:19] <hggdh> shirish: it depends on which package is reporting the errors
[10:20] <asisak> shirish: maybe pastebin the error file
[10:20] <shirish> hggdh:  asisak: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/31944/
[10:20] <shirish> it says GTK something
[10:21] <asisak> shirish: it seems to be a tracker error. If you mean the two messages at the end of the file
[10:21] <shirish> asisak: if its an tracker error, that shouldn't block me from getting a GNOME desktop
[10:21] <asisak> shirish: it also gives a hint, that the database schema is wrong (most probably you need to upgrade it as well)
[10:22] <shirish> asisak: how do I upgrade the database schema?
[10:22] <asisak> sure
[10:22] <asisak> i don't know what can cause this gtk error
[10:23] <asisak> shirish: maybe try to reinstall tracker
[10:23] <asisak> but you seem to be right, tracker is the less important issue
[10:24] <shirish> asisak: that is what I think, what i fail to understand is the sabayon thing as well, where or why this comes into the picture
[10:24] <asisak> sorry, I am not an X expert
[10:24] <shirish> asisak: and what is this displayconfig-gtk which it fails to recover, this is when I haven't installed displayconfig-gtk
[10:24] <shirish> hggdh: can you give any pointers m8?
[10:25] <shirish> asisak: hggdh: guys either of you can just tell me where i should file this bug would be good enough, I'm sure the guys who are into it can tell me about it.
[10:27] <hggdh> shirish: hold on, busy right now
[10:28] <shirish> hggdh: ok cool, just lemme know as & when you are finished with whatever you are doing, and can tell me where to file it, then guys can look at it l8ter in their own space of time.
[10:35] <shirish> asisak: hggdh: have filed the bug under GDM for now https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gdm/+bug/129315
[10:35] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 129315 in gdm "GNOME-desktop does not lemme log in. " [Undecided,New] 
[10:35] <shirish> have a look at it in your leisure time guys :)
[11:48] <Vuen> hey guys, gotta say, i love the new kubuntu wallpaper
[11:56] <asisak> Vuen: which package contains the kubuntu wallpaper?
[12:00] <Vuen> not sure
[12:00] <Vuen> how would i find that out?
[12:00] <Vuen> dpkg can tell me somehow, right?
[12:00] <kylem> kubuntu-artwork?
[12:00] <Vuen> makes sense
[12:01] <kylem> just a guess
[12:01] <kylem> ah, kubuntu-defalut-settings
[12:08] <asisak> thanks kylem
[12:09] <kylem> np.