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opopanaxhey12:32
opopanaxacrobat doesn't seem to work.12:32
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kenroAnyone know how to calibrate a gamepad?12:37
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OSUKid7hi, I'm running Ubuntu gutsy on my Thinkpad T61... I have an Intel iwl4965 wifi, and have installed the driver. Wireless works great on several different wireless networks, but after anywhere from 10-60 minutes, connections are dropped, and pings to my default gateway result in "Destination Host Unreachable" - any idea how to resolve this?12:48
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RAOFOSUKid7: Hey cool.01:11
OSUKid7lol01:11
RAOFThat's pretty much exactly the same thing that I see with th iwl3945 drivers01:12
OSUKid7ah, good to know01:12
RAOF(You used the Ubuntu drivers, right?)01:12
OSUKid7well, I had to install the drivers from intellinuxwireless.org a few weeks ago, since afaik, there weren't any available in ubuntu gutsy at the time...01:13
OSUKid7but today I reinstalled the linux-ubuntu-modules package, and have the same problem01:13
RAOFYeah, fair enough.  Well, experimental drivers :)01:13
OSUKid7not entirely sure which I'm using right now... I did a rmmod iwl4965; modprobe iwl4965 ater reinstalling that package01:14
RAOFOooh, you're probably a candidiate for some experimental nvidia drivers too, aren't you? :)01:14
OSUKid7hah yeahhh... notice I'm also in #nvidia ;)01:14
OSUKid7I have the nvidia driver working now, but I have to reinstall it every reboot :\01:14
RAOFOSUKid7: If you do a "modprobe -vvv iwl4945", you'll get enough info to work out.01:14
OSUKid7hmm01:15
OSUKid7RAOF: I did sudo modprobe -vvv iwl4965 and don't get any output01:15
RAOFOSUKid7: Well, watch this space: https://dogfood.launchpad.net/~raof/+archive01:15
OSUKid7alright01:16
RAOFOSUKid7: Yeah, you'll need to modprobe -r iwl4945 first.01:16
OSUKid7ah, guess I'll go back to a wired connection before doing that... lol01:16
RAOFI'll be putting up some nouveau driver packages into that PPA.  Then you can test two experimental drivers at once!01:17
OSUKid7heh01:17
OSUKid7yeah and here I thought I'd have a pretty easy ubuntu install on a Thinkpad with Intel wifi and nvidia graphics :\01:18
RAOFOSUKid7: New hardware *always* sucks01:18
OSUKid7yeah01:18
OSUKid7gutsy at least let me get wifi working... couldn't even install it correctly on feisty01:19
OSUKid7yeah... in case you or anyone is interested in my nvidia problem...01:22
OSUKid7<OSUKid7> hi, I'm running Ubuntu gutsy/7.10 on my Thinkpad T61 with an nvidia quadro 140M. I've installed the nvidia driver with "NVIDIA-Linux-x86_64-100.14.11-pkg2.run" and it works great... except I have to reinstall it ever reboot. When X tries to start on boot, I get a "Failed to initialize the NVIDIA kernel module!" error. I re-run the installer, and X starts fine with the nvidia driver again. xorg.conf doesn't change at all. any ideas?01:22
OSUKid7and I was told: <rafaMEX> OSUKid7 to fix it, uninstall nvidia drivers, and use ubuntu packages with nvidia drivers, but for the full procedure please visit the website and/or #ubuntu01:23
RAOFYeah, he's wrong.  At least until the "Please upgrade to 100 series drivers" bug is fixed.01:23
OSUKid7ah ok. guess I'll just keep reinstalling every boot :\01:24
RAOFYou should actually only need to modprobe the nvidia kernel module, actually.01:25
OSUKid7alright, I'll try that next time01:25
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RAOFYou might actually have to insmod it manually, since when I was playing around with those drivers modprobe didn't know about the right directory.01:26
RAOFMorning Amaranth!01:26
Amaranthhey01:28
Amaranthi'm using my ppa to make compiz packages for feisty01:28
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RAOFI'm using my PPA to make nouveau packages for Gutsy :)01:30
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RAOFAmaranth: I thought the PPAs built only for the current dev release?01:31
Amaranthno01:31
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Amaranthall currently supported distros, afaik01:31
Amaranthwell, my first try failed the same way it does in real feisty (had to test)01:32
OSUKid7RAOF: $ sudo modprobe -vvv iwl4965 / insmod /lib/modules/2.6.22-8-generic/kernel/net/wireless/cfg80211.ko / insmod /lib/modules/2.6.22-8-generic/kernel/net/mac80211/mac80211.ko / insmod /lib/modules/2.6.22-8-generic/kernel/drivers/net/wireless/iwl4965.ko01:32
Amaranththat reminds me01:33
OSUKid7so I'm using the ubuntu drivers?01:33
AmaranthRAOF: do you have iwl3945 working?01:33
OSUKid7heh01:33
RAOFAmaranth: Yes.  Where "working" is "connects to WPA2, then drops out after 10-60 minutes"01:33
Amaranthheh01:33
Amaranthwhen i modprobe it i get a wlan0_rename device and it won't associate01:33
RAOFOSUKid7: It looks like you're using the non-ubuntu drivers, actually.01:35
Amaranthbut ipw3945 + networkmanager won't even do WPA2 so... :)01:35
RAOFAmaranth: Really?  Mine works01:35
Amaranthalso, the 2.6.22-9-rt kernel is stuck in C001:35
Amaranthwhich i hope isn't by design because it'd be really nice to use otherwise01:35
OSUKid7RAOF: hmm ok, how can you tell? and should I/how would I change to the ubuntu drivers?01:35
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RAOFOSUKid7: Because the correct path contains "ubuntu/" in it.01:36
OSUKid7RAOF, Amaranth: yeah, my networkmanager with iwl4965 doesn't list WPA2 either... just WPA01:37
Amaranththat's different01:37
tiagoboldtany major problem from some last updates? or is my disk starting to fail? :|01:37
Amaranthmine with ipw3945 shows WPA2 but only works with WEP01:37
Amaranthif i use wpa_supplicant manually it works :)01:37
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AmaranthRAOF: you should try the new realtime kernel, see if you get the same problem01:39
RAOFAmaranth: I will, once I see it :)01:39
Amaranthit's in01:39
Amaranthjust no linux-meta update yet01:39
RAOFAaah.01:39
Amaranthso it's linux-image-2.6.22-9-rt01:40
RAOFNo l-r-m-rt?01:41
Amaranthnope01:41
Amaranthno l-u-m-rt either01:41
Amaranththe source packages are in01:41
Amaranthhell, the binaries might be by now too01:41
Amaranthah l-u-m is built, l-r-m failed on the -rt stuff01:43
Amaranthhehe01:43
Amaranthi think in the ati driver01:43
RAOFAmaranth: What's the advantage of the -rt kernel?01:43
AmaranthRAOF: you trade overall performance for 'snapiness'01:44
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Amaranthit basically makes every part of the kernel preemptable01:44
RAOFAaah.  Cool.01:44
Amaranthimagine your music not skipping even with 1000 load01:44
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RAOFAt the cost of locking overhead.01:44
Amaranthoh, and the system is still completely usable01:44
Amaranthright01:44
RAOFThat seems a very fair trade to me.01:45
RAOF-rt ftw!01:45
Amaranthwell, unless it's stuck in C001:45
Amaranththat makes it about worthless01:45
RAOFTrue01:46
Amaranthand makes my cpu run 15C warmer01:46
RAOF:)01:46
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OSUKid7RAOF: fyi, modprobe -r nvidia; modprobe nvidia let me startx after reboot01:52
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RAOFHeh.  I'm accidentally using the iwl drivers :)02:22
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leperkhanzSince I'm running gutsy tribe 3, I always report bugs with the report button that pops up, but how useful is that really, and is there something I can do in that process to be more helpful?02:44
leperkhanzlaunchpad is telling me Not allowed here.02:45
Stormx2I've looked at the launchpad blueprints; but is there any big new features being championed for gutsy?02:53
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sq89Stormx2: compiz by default, better laptop support...03:04
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RAOF_Amaranth: Yup, -rt locks my cpu in C0 too.04:07
AmaranthRAOF_: dang04:16
Amaranthwonder if that's be design04:16
Amaranthi mean, i can see the point but eh04:16
RAOF_What would the point be?04:17
RAOF_I suppose that there's a delay involved in the Cx -> C0 state, and RT doesn't really want that delay?04:18
snadgeif you want real time.. then surely thats the most important thing04:20
Amaranthright04:20
snadgepower states etc are secondary04:20
Amaranthbecause the lower your C state the longer it takes to get back to C004:20
snadgelemme get this straight.. gutsy comes with an rt kerneL? :)04:21
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Amaranthyes04:21
Amaranthand eww, when i google for 'realtime acpi C state' i get mostly patents04:22
snadgevery cool.. now all ubuntu needs is software that doesnt suck04:29
snadgeim joking btw.. im not trolling.. i love ubuntu, use it exclusively04:29
calcsnadge: :P04:29
snadgei just get frustrated when my wanker friends continue to use windows because "linux sucks" "it doesnt do anything i want to do" "*insert wanker reason #236 for running windows*" etc04:30
calcthere are a few things i use windows for but not much anymore04:30
calcmy wife uses it for photoshop, otherwise i would have had her converted already04:31
snadgei know its dangerous territory and murky waters.. but i'd really like to see something like kvm, able to run windows and ubuntu simulataneously04:31
snadgeincluding 3d games04:31
snadgethen i could get ALL of my friends to switch instantly04:32
calcsnadge: that should be doable in the near future with vmware04:32
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calcsnadge: its already partially doable depending on the game with transgaming cedega04:32
snadgekvm is free software though, granted it needs hardware support.. but thats the idea for it to run transparently/smoothly04:32
RAOF_calc: Or even just wine.04:33
snadgewhilst wine has come an incredibly long way towards running games04:33
snadgeonly someone with an overractive imagination would claim that its as good as running the games in windows04:33
RAOF_Oh, indeed.04:33
calcRAOF_: i thought wine didn't emulate copy protection?04:33
RAOF_But it runs Civ4 and WoW.04:33
RAOF_calc: True, but who doesn't just patch that out?04:34
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calcheh well... ;)04:34
jmghello all04:34
jmgis openvpn fscked?04:34
snadgeyeah.. when i start going down this path.. i get the response "great.. so if i stuff around for ages.. i can run SOME windows games.. great"04:34
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jmgsnadge: plant04:34
calcwindows games aren't all that great anyway04:34
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calci only played civ4 since i got it free with my video card04:34
snadgeoh as for the photoshop comment.. i believe wine can run that?04:35
calcsnadge: aiui only old versions of photoshop04:35
calcsnadge: and buggy at that04:35
jmgis the tap device module missing from gutsy?04:35
jmgi cant connect to an openvpn tunnel04:35
snadgeor crossover office, i know it specifically has support for photoshop CS04:35
calcsnadge: i haven't tested it myself but i read through the wine support list04:35
jmgnot sure why04:35
calcsnadge: hmm i'll have to take a look at that04:35
snadgebut its a proprietry fork of wine04:35
jmgjust hangs at connect04:35
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calcif i could get photoshop working with her filters i'm pretty sure i could get her to convert04:36
calcshe already doesn't want to ever go to vista so that would be a good transition point04:37
snadgeits worth paying for crossover office even if it worked04:37
snadgeif it were me.. i'd pirate it.. try it.. if i was happy with it.. then i'd pay for it04:37
calcyea04:37
snadgeor just continue using pirated version :/ still better than running windows (which is probably pirated version anyway.. hopefully) ;)04:37
calcheh04:38
jmghoist the jolly roger04:38
calci have a legal copy of vista that came preinstalled on my laptop :(04:38
snadgenone of my friends who are windows users.. have paid for it04:38
calcbut vista is yuck04:38
snadgethey all have beige box pcs built from parts with no operating system04:39
snadgehehe04:39
calcheh04:39
snadgeand i've known people who have bought laptops with vista preinstalled04:39
calci build my own desktops, not sure if i will in the future, i only do it for overclocking purposes04:39
snadgewho have installed a pirated copy of xp over the top04:39
snadgeheh04:39
jmgcan anyone verify that openvpn is working in gutsy?04:39
calcyea i'll probably downgrade to xp for my window partition since vista is just horridly slow and unresponsive04:40
calcon a 1GB core 2 duo laptop... its a pos04:40
snadgeand they feel justified in doing so.. because they've already paid the overinflated price for vista.. even though technically, its illegal to do that04:40
calci've read somewhere that you can legally downgrade from vista to xp under some terms, not sure if its only for businesses though04:40
snadgehehe no.. its worse than that04:41
snadgeyou have to pay a fee to transfer the license from vista to xp04:41
snadgeand then you're no longer licensed to use vista04:41
snadgeoh and no refund04:41
calcfun stuff04:41
calci'm not sure if i will even be able to find drivers for xp for my hardware04:42
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Amaranthcalc: my laptop doesn't pass the performance tests to run vista with all the bling05:25
Amaranthit's got a GeForce Go 740005:25
Amaranthof course that might be because nvidia's drivers at the time sucked (but they still do so...)05:26
Toma-wow05:28
Toma-i guess it does start now05:28
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keramanyone know how to get sound working on a thinkpad x61?06:33
rocketskeram: yeah you have to install the latest alsa driver06:34
rocketskeram: as in, compile and install it.06:34
keramah06:34
keramokay06:34
keramso no package for it?06:34
rocketsWell gutsy might have it, but I don't know for sure.06:34
rocketsIf your sound doesn't work then I'll assume it doesn't.06:35
keramAlsaMixer v1.0.1406:35
keramthats the one i have installed06:35
rocketswell go check the alsa site06:35
keramah yeah, i see 1.0.9 on the site06:35
keram:] 06:35
rocketsheh06:36
snadgewebsite not up to date? :P06:36
keramhmm, i guess 9 would be lower than 1406:37
keraminteresting06:37
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keramoh i found 14rc4 on the website06:38
kerammaybe that is more up to date than the 14 i have06:38
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snadgegenerally not06:43
snadgerc means release candidate06:43
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snadgeso thats release candidate 4 of that version.. rather than the actual released version06:43
RAOF_keram: You're looking http://www.alsa-project.org/ , right?  Where it says 1.0.14a ?06:44
snadgeand a means alpha? :P06:44
RAOF_keram: Anyway, what you actually want is the bugtracker.  See if anyone else with your card/laptop has problems, and what's being done to fix them.06:44
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RAOF_snadge: 'a' means "First revision" :)06:45
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T-ConnectDo I need to send flash player fail to install report here?06:48
RAOF_No, to launchpad.06:48
RAOF_But check whether or not it's been reported first :)06:49
T-Connectmd5sum mismatch install_flash_player_9_linux.tar.gz -> The Flash plugin is NOT installed.06:49
astro76T-Connect, there's an updated package https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/feisty/i386/flashplugin-nonfree/9.0.48.0.0ubuntu1~7.04.006:49
T-ConnectOh ok.06:50
astro76I believe the problem is adobe updated the tar.gz06:51
T-ConnectI got the auto download and install from a flash game website.06:52
keramhow do i figure out what sound  card i have?06:52
RAOF_Welcome to the world of "every laptop is subtly but importantly different" https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingSoundProblems06:53
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phishI keep getting Gtk-WARNING **: /usr/lib/gtk-2.0/2.10.0/engines/libubuntulooks.so: wrong ELF class: ELFCLASS64 with 32 bit apps, even though I have ia32-libs installed... any clue why?08:45
phishI know it should be using /usr/lib32/gtk... but I can't figure out why it won't08:45
RAOF_Does the window end up themed?08:46
phishnope08:46
phishwhich is super annoying08:46
RAOF_Which eliminates the "just looking in the wrong place first" option :)08:46
phishI've looked around and not found much of anything to reference except flash related problems for firefox way back on breezy or something08:48
phishit happens on more than just one app08:48
phishfirefox 2 and 3... and some other completely different application of which I can't remember08:48
phishI don't use many other 32 bit programs : )08:49
RAOF_Ah.  You want fully-featured flash, then.-08:50
phishyep08:51
RAOF_Maybe file a bug (tm)08:51
phishthought about doing so but I can't *believe* no one has had this sorta problem yet08:51
phishhmm, I guess I'll try seeing if it works in a clean environment08:52
phishperhaps old configs are screwing things up08:52
RAOF_The set of 32bit programs that I use is {wine}, and many of the ubuntu devs that run amd64 don't even use that.08:52
RAOF_It's *entirely* possible that you're the first person to hit this :)08:52
phishwell that sucks, happens in clean environment too08:56
phishbah, I guess I'll file a bug report tomorrow08:56
RAOF_Welcome to the untested edge :)08:56
phishpff08:56
phishI've been running on the untested edges of things for years08:56
phishI've just always make-shifted a solution08:57
phishhaven't a clue how the /usr/lib32 and /usr/lib stuff is handled though and I don't wanna use symlinks to bork my 64 bit apps :)08:57
phishthanks for your help though08:58
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cypherdelichello guys09:06
cypherdelici got a question: yesterday the 2.6.22-9-rt update came and also nvidia-glx-new seems to was updated, but i removed all kernel-modules, nvidia-kernel-common, updated apt, and upgraded my kernel, but the nvidia-glx-new in version 2.6.22-9.5 wasnt there.09:08
cypherdelicis it missing or am i too stupid to get all things working with the realtime preemption?09:08
RAOF_The linux-restricted-modules package hasn't built yet09:09
cypherdelicall right :) thanks for that information, i will be patient09:10
RAOF_So none of the -9 kernels will work for you.  This is why you should wait until you can install the "linux-rt" or "linux-generic" metapackages :)09:11
cypherdelicim excited about that rt, am i right that it is a 1000Hz based kernel? generic is 100Hz?09:11
RAOF_No, it's a fully preemptible kernel.09:12
RAOF_Generic is tickless (on i386, at least)09:12
cypherdelictickless? dynamic ticks????09:12
RAOF_The queston "should I use 100Hz or 1000Hz" now has the answer "no" :)09:12
RAOF_Yes, dyntick09:12
RAOF_Laptop owners go wild!09:13
cypherdelici know whats about that, im with a laptop so i know in 2.6.23 there will be dynamic ticks09:13
RAOF_Already is in .2209:13
cypherdelici dont know if rt is the best for laptop09:13
RAOF_Just not for amd64 :(09:13
cypherdeliclol09:13
cypherdelicvery funny09:13
RAOF_cypherdelic: -rt is broken for laptops.  Your CPU never leaves C0 (ie: running)09:14
calcisn't i386 already obsolete?09:14
cypherdelicim with core 2 duo and amd6409:14
RAOF_Also known as "I don't need no stinking battery life"09:14
cypherdelicRAOF, but i already installed that kernel and run it successfully09:14
RAOF_calc: Only in the same way that keyboards are obsolete.09:15
RAOF_cypherdelic: For how long?  Did you check out the battery life?  Did you check powertop?09:15
cypherdelicmy laptop iosnt really a laptop, most of the time it is on AC09:15
calcRAOF_: well all new chips are amd64 already... and it is faster than i386 and supports more memory, etc09:15
=== calc guesses it will be a few more years before i386 completely fades away
RAOF_calc: True, although the "fasterness" is due to limitations of IA32 rather than any inherent goodness of 64bit code09:16
=== RAOF_ guesses that time will be measured in decades
calcRAOF_: yea ia32 sucks09:16
cypherdelici dont know whats about people telling, uhh i386 is still more general... and because of flash, i dont know whats the problem, there are enough available flash solutions for amd64 i.e. gnash09:16
calcRAOF_: the 4GB (~ 2GB effective) limit should cause that to be a few years at most09:17
calcRAOF_: eg the next release of windows09:17
RAOF_calc: No, people will just enable PAE.09:17
calcPAE causes a fairly significant performance penalty09:17
RAOF_IA32 systems can reference 64Gb of memory, and no single process is going to need >4gb in the near future.09:17
calciirc Vista+1 won't ship with ia32 support as well unless they change their mind09:18
RAOF_calc: Not so much that you wouldn't turn it on to gain a couple of gb of ram :)09:18
calciirc PAE causes ~ 15% slowdown09:18
RAOF_I call bull09:18
calcRAOF_: i am quoting numbers i have seen off linux-kernel several years ago09:18
RAOF_That may be 15% slowdown in absolute worst case synthetic benchmarks, but not overall usage.09:19
calchmm ok09:19
=== calc doesn't know enough about PAE to know how much it should slow down in general case
calceven with PAE your total available memory per process would be less than 4GB due to pci address space right?09:20
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calcor does that completely swap out as well?09:20
leperkhanzWhat's the command to restart compiz?  -compiz & replace or something?09:20
cypherdeliccompiz --replace &09:20
leperkhanzthanks09:20
leperkhanz!09:21
leperkhanz:D09:21
calcif pci address space is still inside the address space of the app in PAE it won't be long before even PAE is not useful due to the size of memory in video cards going over 1GB already09:21
RAOF_I don't think that's in the memory maps of processes.09:22
calcok09:22
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cypherdelicmy sensons-applets causes gnome-panel to crash09:29
cypherdelicno , not to crash but to hang09:30
cypherdelicpanels doesnt respond, cant click, in this state it is very hard to remove it from the panel again09:31
cypherdelicbecause i can only kill the process, then it asks me if i would like to remove it from the panel or not...09:31
cypherdelicbut i cant click ... wuhaaa :(09:32
cypherdelicand if i kill gnome-panel, it reloads with sensors-applet again, lol09:32
cypherdelicso currently im running without temperature monitor on laptop, thats not nice09:33
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xstAccording to the blueprints gutsy will contain xorg7.3. But does anyone know when this will be implemented in the test/tribe CDs?09:56
RAOF_When it's done.  Which will be some time after 7.3 has been released.  Which hasn't happened yet, AFAIK :)09:58
RAOF_xst: Given that it's due to be released sometime next month, I'd guess we'll see it in Gutsy towards the end of August or beginning of September.10:00
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xstok, thnx10:01
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leperkhanzSorry for the question AGAIN, but how do I reboot compiz?  compiz --replace & or something?10:47
leperkhanznm, that was it.10:48
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b0bhi ! could you help me ? i cannot change my resolution under console mode with my intel graphic card (x3100gfx). i put video=intelfb:mode=1024x768-32@60 in /boot/grub/menu.lst (kernel line) and have no effect and error. i'm trying to load the module manually -> modprobe intelfb mode=1024x768-32@60 and have the same. i decide to use the tool -> "fbset" to force the resolution ... and when i try to run them i get this error -> "ope12:31
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IdleOne!fixres | b0b12:56
ubotub0b: The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type  sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart  in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto12:56
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b0bubotu: no x, under console12:58
b0bIdleOne: ^^12:58
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GentineHello01:06
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humboltoWill gutsy or the next LTS release's installer include the capability to create encrypted partitions?03:12
humboltoI strongly feel, especially because the whole FOSS movement so strongly is built on the idea of freedom, that you should include this feature.03:13
humboltoThere are so many people who would need this to protect their freedom.03:14
Hobbseegutsy wont03:14
humboltoThink of anit gov journalists, bloggers, ...03:14
humboltoHobbsee: not even on the alternative installer CD, since Debian does include this already.03:15
Hobbseeis there a spec for it now?03:15
humboltoI did not see one yet, am about to look again.03:15
humboltoBut there might have been one for an earlier release.03:15
humboltoThere are some: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu?searchtext=encrypt03:16
humboltohttps://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/cryptoroot-home-swap-install03:17
humboltoNo kidding, this feature is essential for free journalists to be able to continue to do their jobs03:18
=== Hobbsee looks at https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/dm-crypt
humboltoSince Debian has it, it can't be too difficult to get it in ubuntu03:19
humboltoIf you have any say in this, I beg you on my knees, make it a target for the LTS release.03:19
Hobbseei dont personally, no03:20
humboltoPlease.03:20
humboltoMaybe you know somebody.03:20
Hobbseei would imagine they'll look into it for the next release - that one i pointed to has the installer guy's name on it03:21
humboltoMaybe, you are just around here frequently enough to give my concern some voice.03:21
=== Hobbsee has contacts all over the place
humboltoI beg you, please use them.03:21
=== Hobbsee also knows that no one will care about specs for gutsy+1 when they're working hard at getting the gutsy ones in
=== Hobbsee also notes that the specs for gutsy were approved in sevilla, for the canonical employees
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humboltoI appreciate you sharing your insights about the community processes involved here. What is your reccommendation on how to get this impelmented either for gutsy (propably to late) but at least for gutsy+1.03:26
humboltoHobbsee: Are you an active dev?03:26
dexemHi! I'm have upgraded from feisty to gutsy, and having a Macbook pro with an ATI card, my X crashes (core dump) I've seen some people saying it's because the ddc module or some other reasons, but none works03:27
Hobbseehumbolto: yes, although i've taken a break over the last week or so03:27
Hobbseehumbolto: probably by speaking to the people who are working with the installer and such (cjwatson, and now evand), and collaborate with them.  offer to help code it.03:28
dexemyou can see the error here: http://pastebin.com/m758c6003:28
dexemany clue?03:28
humboltoHobbsee: I'd certainly help to code, but I am just a user. Somebody who relies on being able to protect his sources.03:28
Hobbseehumbolto: then find people willing03:29
Hobbseehumbolto: there are lots of worthy specs, and a limited number of people who code things.03:29
humboltoHobbsee: As such, I am afraid, I can't help code and my voice might not be taken seriously.03:29
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Hobbseehumbolto: i dont code either, in the sense that you're meaning03:31
humboltoHobbsee: you package and patch?03:31
Hobbseehumbolto: apply patches.  not usually create them.  yes03:31
Hobbseeand package, yes03:31
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humboltoLet me tell you, I greatly appreciate your contributions! They make the world a better place!03:34
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humboltoWhat things are you working on?03:35
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humboltoI took the liberty to have a look at your launchpad profile. I am impressed of the sheer endless list of packages you have contributed.03:39
Hobbseehumbolto: more the people side of things. .kubuntu, motu, i co-did the release management of the last tribe03:39
Hobbseehehe03:39
Hobbseeevery once in a while that crashes - and i think that's not a full list anymore03:39
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dexemDo you know any other place where I could ask about gutsy problems?03:54
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asisakdexem: maybe the forums03:56
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roeanyone else unable to open OO.org after one of the recent updates?03:59
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gnomefreakroe: iirc ther eis a bug filed on it04:01
=== gnomefreak hasnt had time to do much bug triage for a while though
roeok04:02
Hobbseether's a bug, and a fair few dupes, about that04:02
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GentineHey04:07
GentineAnyonehome?04:09
gnomefreak!anyone04:09
ubotuA large amount of the first questions asked in this channel start with "Does anyone/anybody..."  Why not ask your next question (the real one) and find out?04:09
=== gnomefreak isnt here though
=== Hobbsee isnt at home
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asisakNot very useful.04:12
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=== gnomefreak 500+ miles from home
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gnomefreakhe wanted to chat thats why he left04:17
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GentineWhat's going on?05:37
dexemHi! I'm have upgraded from feisty to gutsy, and having a Macbook pro with an ATI card, my X crashes (core dump) I've seen some people saying it's because the ddc module or some other reasons, but none works05:37
dexemyou can see the error here: http://pastebin.com/m758c6005:37
dexemany clue?05:38
GentineLooks like garbage to me.05:38
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lontraif i have an intel 945 chipset ... in gutsy should i be using the -intel driver or the -i810?06:37
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assasukassehi all, i was wondering if there is any xubuntu user over here06:48
assasukasseand what did they found broken in alpha 306:48
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fwefeI cant fix drivers for my aticard..when I try to activate it with restricted manager it doesnt work07:12
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hwilde!ati | fwefe07:15
ubotufwefe: To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto07:15
HEP85I'm having trouble with the 3D-Desktop options. I can't disable it, because it always crashes when I do this07:15
HEP85Where is the configuration stored, so that I can reset it from console?07:16
hwildelocate 3ddesk07:16
hwildethere is a conf file07:16
HEP85nothing found07:16
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hwildesudo updatedb07:17
hwildethen locate 3ddesk07:17
hwilde/etc/3ddesktop/3ddesktop.conf07:18
HEP85it is missing. could that be the problem?07:19
hwildewhy don't you just remove and reinstall it07:19
HEP85good idea. what is the package name?07:20
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fwefehwilde: As I said I have already tried activating it with the "restricted manager"...it doesnt work07:21
hwildeHEP85, 3ddesktop07:23
hwildefwefe, sorry I don't use that thing.07:24
crdlbwhat?07:24
fwefeI cant fix drivers for my aticard..when I try to activate it with restricted manager it doesnt work07:24
HEP85There is no 3ddesktop package07:24
crdlbI believe HEP85 is talking about desktop effects :)07:24
crdlbnot 3ddesk07:24
HEP85neither 3ddesk07:25
crdlbhave you tried just "metacity --replace", to turn it off?07:25
HEP85crdlb: yes. also crashes. I need to turn it off, while it is not running07:26
hwildesilly me, I thought he meant 3ddesktop when he said:  <HEP85> I'm having trouble with the 3D-Desktop options07:26
HEP85hwilde: Sorry. I was wrong. I mean the Desktop Effects in Appearance settings07:27
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crdlbso compiz is crashing?07:27
HEP85yes, but only when I try to disable it07:28
HEP85same thing happens when adding a plugin07:30
fwefeI cant fix drivers for my aticard..when I try to activate it with restricted manager it doesnt work07:33
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AnAnthow can I run a 32-bit application under the AMD64 version of ubuntu ?07:36
gnomefreakdepends whhat it iss AnAnt07:38
AnAntgnomefreak: meaning ?07:38
gnomefreakAnAnt: nspluginwrapper allows you to use 32bit flash and java and stuff for 64 browser but really depends on the app07:39
AnAntgnomefreak: no, it's a standalone app, not a firefox plugin07:39
gnomefreakAnAnt: chroot would be the way i would think07:40
AnAntgnomefreak: that's the only way ?07:40
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gnomefreakAnAnt: afaik07:40
AnAntgnomefreak: ok, thanks07:40
gnomefreakyw07:41
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lontrawhat video driver should i be using in gutsy for an intel 945GM chip?  intel or i810?07:41
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T-ConnectHow I get everything auto set to Arrange Items / By type on all folders.07:43
T-ConnectI don't like to do Arrange Items / By type all the time.07:44
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_Shade_hi08:13
_Shade_will i have the desktop effects support in gutsy using an XGL?08:13
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_Shade_i've heard that it would be enabled by default and i'm having some problems with it in feisty08:15
_Shade_so what would you say?08:16
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shirishanybody knows who manages ubotu?08:26
asisakshirish: yes08:26
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asisak!info ubotu08:26
ubotuPackage ubotu does not exist in gutsy08:26
asisak!bugs08:26
ubotuIf you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug report at: http://bugs.ubuntu.com/  -  Bugs in/wishes for the bots can be filed at http://launchpad.net/products/ubuntu-bots08:26
asisakshirish: read the latter08:26
_Shade_anyone can answer my gutsy question? :)08:28
shirishasisak: thanx for the tips08:30
gnomefreak_Shade_: join #ubuntu-effects and ask for help08:30
asisakyou are welcome, shirish08:30
shirishasisak: mine was a simple thing but yet not so simple, needed/wanted to add the meaning of ftbfs in the ubotu database08:31
gnomefreakshirish: i told you why im not adding it you now know the answer to it08:31
gnomefreakwhen i have time i will try to combine alot of terms together and make a factoid on it08:33
shirishgnomefreak: thanx gnomefreak ;)08:33
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databuddyhm08:42
databuddyby right clicking and selecting send to workspace # works via the window list on toolbar but not by hovering on titlebar on windows - known bug?08:42
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keram`hey09:05
keram`how do i make sur emy audio isnt muted09:05
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gnomefreakkeram`: alsamixer09:09
keram`gnomefreak, how many options is alsamixer supposed to have?09:11
keram`because i only see 209:11
gnomefreakkeram`: ~ 6 or so09:11
keram`i only see 2 :/09:11
gnomefreakkeram`: use the right arrow09:11
gnomefreaksee if you see more09:11
keram`yeah it stops at PCM09:11
gnomefreakoh09:11
keram`i just have Master and PCM09:11
gnomefreakthan im not sure09:12
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kylemkeram`, which chipset?09:28
keram`kylem, i'm not sure09:28
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keram`00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) HD Audio Controller (rev 03)09:28
kylemit should say at the top of alsamixer09:28
keram`Chip: Analog Devices ID 198409:29
kylemright.09:29
keram`that other line though is the output of lspci09:29
kylemkeram`, send me an email, i'll send you a link to a fix to test when i get ti built09:29
keram`what is your email?09:29
kylemkyle@ubuntu.com09:29
keram`ok cool09:29
keram`:] 09:29
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keram`sent09:31
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kylemok. i'll get back to you when i have packages built. i386 or amd64?09:32
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keram`kylem, i38610:11
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shirishguys I am not able to get into GNOME, I have errors in my x-session errors file, where should I report it?10:18
asisak!bugs | shirish10:18
ubotushirish: If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug report at: http://bugs.ubuntu.com/  -  Bugs in/wishes for the bots can be filed at http://launchpad.net/products/ubuntu-bots10:18
shirishasisak: I mean which package should I file the bug under, i have filed bugs at launchpad10:18
hggdhshirish: it depends on which package is reporting the errors10:19
asisakshirish: maybe pastebin the error file10:20
shirishhggdh:  asisak: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/31944/10:20
shirishit says GTK something10:20
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asisakshirish: it seems to be a tracker error. If you mean the two messages at the end of the file10:21
shirishasisak: if its an tracker error, that shouldn't block me from getting a GNOME desktop10:21
asisakshirish: it also gives a hint, that the database schema is wrong (most probably you need to upgrade it as well)10:21
shirishasisak: how do I upgrade the database schema?10:22
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asisaksure10:22
asisaki don't know what can cause this gtk error10:22
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asisakshirish: maybe try to reinstall tracker10:23
asisakbut you seem to be right, tracker is the less important issue10:23
shirishasisak: that is what I think, what i fail to understand is the sabayon thing as well, where or why this comes into the picture10:24
asisaksorry, I am not an X expert10:24
shirishasisak: and what is this displayconfig-gtk which it fails to recover, this is when I haven't installed displayconfig-gtk10:24
shirishhggdh: can you give any pointers m8?10:24
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shirishasisak: hggdh: guys either of you can just tell me where i should file this bug would be good enough, I'm sure the guys who are into it can tell me about it.10:25
hggdhshirish: hold on, busy right now10:27
shirishhggdh: ok cool, just lemme know as & when you are finished with whatever you are doing, and can tell me where to file it, then guys can look at it l8ter in their own space of time.10:28
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shirishasisak: hggdh: have filed the bug under GDM for now https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gdm/+bug/12931510:35
ubotuLaunchpad bug 129315 in gdm "GNOME-desktop does not lemme log in. " [Undecided,New] 10:35
shirishhave a look at it in your leisure time guys :)10:35
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Vuenhey guys, gotta say, i love the new kubuntu wallpaper11:48
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asisakVuen: which package contains the kubuntu wallpaper?11:56
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Vuennot sure12:00
Vuenhow would i find that out?12:00
Vuendpkg can tell me somehow, right?12:00
kylemkubuntu-artwork?12:00
Vuenmakes sense12:00
kylemjust a guess12:01
kylemah, kubuntu-defalut-settings12:01
asisakthanks kylem12:08
kylemnp.12:09
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