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| mdke | morning all | 08:46 |
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| Burgundavia | hey mdke | 08:51 |
| mdke | mpt: so I've been thinking about how we can go about using this gnome-user-docs vcs-import. Is the best approach to create a branch of it and store it at ~ubuntu-docs? Would we store the packaging for the Ubuntu package in the same branch, or a separate one (given that we'll need to merge changes from Debian for that)? | 08:53 |
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| ubotu | New bug: #129189 in ubuntu-docs (main) "Instant Messaging Documentation: News Readers need more details" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/129189 | 10:30 |
| mpt | mdke, the answer to your first question is probably "yes", but for your second question you'd need to ask someone with more (i.e. non-zero) experience in packaging-with-Bazaar | 10:53 |
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| Spads | So how do you folks generate PDFs? I see lots of rules in the Makefiles using "fop", but can't find it in Ubuntu. | 06:59 |
| CIA-14 | Ubuntu Documentation: jjesse * r4196 common/authors/jonathan-jesse.xml: testing svn passsword | 07:03 |
| jjesse | wahoo got my password finaly reset | 07:03 |
| Spads | ah, that was me. | 07:03 |
| Spads | was CIA-14 not working for a while? | 07:04 |
| jjesse | must not have been | 07:04 |
| Spads | because I think I just fixed that as well | 07:04 |
| jjesse | cool congrats | 07:04 |
| Spads | and sped up svn commits | 07:04 |
| Spads | although you guys really should use bzr :) | 07:04 |
| jjesse | i keep telling them ;) | 07:04 |
| Spads | haha | 07:04 |
| Spads | fight the good fight! | 07:04 |
| Spads | anyway, sorry that took so long | 07:05 |
| jjesse | no problerms | 07:05 |
| Spads | so can you tell me how you guys build PDFs? | 07:05 |
| j1mc | jjesse: Admiral_Chicago and I were just talking about bzr on saturday. seems like it's on a number of people's minds. | 07:05 |
| jjesse | Spads: I've never used it to buidl pdfs | 07:06 |
| jjesse | afk confrence call | 07:06 |
| nixternal | whoa | 07:17 |
| nixternal | CIA is working again | 07:17 |
| nixternal | jjesse: was you commit pretty fast? | 07:17 |
| nixternal | Spads: you rock! | 07:18 |
| nixternal | Spads: we use Apache FOP | 07:18 |
| Spads | nixternal: what package is that in? | 07:18 |
| nixternal | none that I know of...I had to build it from tarball | 07:18 |
| nixternal | I have been using a different method of late for KDE 4 documentation | 07:19 |
| Spads | is that method in the docteam svn? | 07:19 |
| nixternal | yes | 07:19 |
| nixternal | dblatex is good as well..that is what we use for KDE | 07:19 |
| nixternal | truthfully I don't like FOP...it is a real pita | 07:19 |
| nixternal | and dblatex is in the repos | 07:20 |
| Spads | okay | 07:23 |
| Spads | I'll take a look | 07:23 |
| Spads | nixternal: where would I see the kde 4 docs using dblatex? | 07:24 |
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| nixternal | you would have to pull them from the KDE SVN | 07:30 |
| Spads | nixternal: got a URL? | 07:30 |
| nixternal | they are all over the place... but you can see http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/KDE/kdebase/doc as there is some documentation in there | 07:31 |
| nixternal | most of which hasn't really been updated just yet | 07:31 |
| jjesse | nixternal: yes my commit was pretty quick | 07:42 |
| Spads | excellent | 07:42 |
| Spads | nixternal: do you have an example of a URL I can just svn get and build to see a dblatex invocation happen? | 07:42 |
| nixternal | Spads: you can try our svn for dblatex... https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam/Repository | 07:43 |
| Spads | ah, I thought you said that was still using fop | 07:45 |
| nixternal | well, you can use dblatex for any document that is DocBook/XML | 07:46 |
| Spads | ah okay, I'll just give it a try then | 07:47 |
| Spads | the fop stuff seems to have xsl though, and I assume dblatex doesn't use that does it | 07:47 |
| Spads | so do you have to use LaTeX styles to affect the PDF output? | 07:48 |
| nixternal | it can if you tell it to | 07:48 |
| Spads | oh nice | 07:48 |
| Spads | basically I was hoping to find a Makefile where I could see what sort of options one passes for a production doc tree like this | 07:48 |
| nixternal | we do however have latex scripts we use for KDE docs | 07:49 |
| nixternal | I am not 100% familiar with it totally | 07:49 |
| Spads | ok | 07:49 |
| nixternal | ya, there are so many options, with dblatex and fop...it is crazy | 07:49 |
| nixternal | been a while since I last used FOP...probably the Edgy cycle while mdke was on vacation I think | 07:50 |
| Spads | heh, maybe I'll poke mdke | 07:51 |
| nixternal | he definitely knows fop | 07:52 |
| jjesse | do the topic based help docs build into pdf? | 07:53 |
| nixternal | I am sure they would if we added the stuff to the makefile | 07:53 |
| nixternal | KHC is going to be pretty cool in KDE 4...say you are looking at some help, and you would like to print it out, you can click a button and have it save it as a PDF to print out | 07:54 |
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| F4EYE | good evening | 08:52 |
| jjesse | good afternoon :) | 08:52 |
| F4EYE | :) | 08:52 |
| F4EYE | 8H52 PM in France :) | 08:52 |
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| Admiral_Chicago | jjesse: when is the book coming out? soon no? | 09:08 |
| jjesse | book is out already isn't it? | 09:08 |
| jjesse | i have my copy :) | 09:09 |
| jjesse | you can order it on amazon right now | 09:09 |
| mdke | mpt: thanks. I'm going to ask dholbach when he gets back from vacation, I think | 09:10 |
| jjesse | mdke: i got my svn password finally straightened out | 09:14 |
| jjesse | so i can commit again | 09:14 |
| Admiral_Chicago | ah okay. thanks | 09:16 |
| Admiral_Chicago | so it is out... | 09:17 |
| jjesse | yeah i only got two copies this time | 09:25 |
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| mdke | jjesse: yay | 10:07 |
| nixternal | mdke: any bets on how long it takes him to misplace it again? :) | 10:24 |
| mdke | nixternal: I had just started typing that... I'll bet 3 days | 10:24 |
| nixternal | hahaha | 10:24 |
| nixternal | wow, you are generous with 3 | 10:24 |
| mdke | you going lower? | 10:24 |
| nixternal | jjesse: ^^ yes we are picking on you :) | 10:24 |
| nixternal | I was going to say sometime tomorrow we will get the "Lets move Doc SVN to BZR" email | 10:25 |
| mdke | lol | 10:26 |
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| mdke | aw man, the download feedback for bzr is still terrible | 10:56 |
| j1mc | the download feedback? what do you mean? | 10:58 |
| mdke | the status progress information when checking out | 10:59 |
| nixternal | yes it is | 11:00 |
| nixternal | it is like it doesn't even match what is really going on | 11:00 |
| nixternal | just has the phase 1/4 and updates when it feels like it | 11:00 |
| mdke | it's a bit like the Windows one | 11:02 |
| nixternal | we just had a BZR developer give a talk at a recent LUG event, and he didn't sound to sure of himself when questioned...it kind of turned me off a bit | 11:03 |
| mdke | really? Who was it? | 11:03 |
| nixternal | John something | 11:03 |
| nixternal | he is from Chicago | 11:03 |
| nixternal | Admiral_Chicago or j1mc: do you remember his name? | 11:04 |
| mdke | John A Meinel? | 11:04 |
| j1mc | yes, that's him | 11:04 |
| j1mc | john@canonical.com | 11:04 |
| mdke | I thought he was one of the lead guys | 11:04 |
| nixternal | ya | 11:04 |
| nixternal | orly | 11:05 |
| mdke | he doesn't have a canonical email address on his lp account though, I don't think he works there | 11:05 |
| j1mc | nixternal: i thought he gave a good talk - answered our questions well . . . even ones about the speed of bzr, which has been a somewhat big issue. | 11:05 |
| nixternal | ya, I wasn't all to happy about the response to speed | 11:05 |
| nixternal | mdke: he does...he gave us a business card and emails the chicago team's ml with it | 11:06 |
| j1mc | he does work for canonical, though. | 11:06 |
| j1mc | yeah | 11:06 |
| mdke | oh, ok | 11:06 |
| nixternal | and he hacks from a iBook :) | 11:07 |
| nixternal | eww | 11:07 |
| j1mc | what-ever! | 11:07 |
| j1mc | ;-) don't a lot of devs work from the new intel macs so they can see how their software works on linux, windows, and os x? | 11:08 |
| nixternal | ya | 11:09 |
| nixternal | I would too, but I can't afford one of them beasts | 11:09 |
| mdke | damn progress bar hasn't moved for 10 minutes | 11:11 |
| nixternal | lol | 11:12 |
| nixternal | bzr co whatever && go wait for days | 11:12 |
| mdke | haha | 11:18 |
| mdke | it got up to about 50% then finished | 11:18 |
| nixternal | haha, that is nuts | 11:20 |
| nixternal | I think I can seriously check out trunk/KDE in SVN before you could Ubuntu docs in BZR | 11:20 |
| mdke | ok, let's try pushing it back to Launchpad | 11:20 |
| nixternal | and we are talking over a gig and then some | 11:21 |
| nixternal | pushing it is actually not to bad | 11:21 |
| mdke | here we go, it starts on about 30% immediately then goes really slowly | 11:22 |
| nixternal | what are you pushing? | 11:22 |
| mdke | nixternal: gnome-user-docs | 11:25 |
| nixternal | ooh | 11:25 |
| nixternal | that will take you 2 months minimum for pushing one xml file :) | 11:25 |
| mdke | still on 30% | 11:27 |
| nixternal | haha, wow | 11:27 |
| mdke | it's already appearing here though, quite cool - https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-doc/gnome-user-docs/ubuntu-changes | 11:28 |
| j1mc | :-/ that is kind of sad. at least the bzr devs know that speed is a problem. | 11:28 |
| nixternal | that is good they have gotten the updates to appear on the web quicker than 15 minutes like before | 11:29 |
| mdke | it's not the speed that bothers me, it's the poor feedback | 11:29 |
| j1mc | there's no "version 2344 of ubuntu docs checked out" message? | 11:30 |
| mdke | that's not what I want, I want a proper progress message while it's downloading/uploading | 11:31 |
| mdke | it's still on 30% | 11:31 |
| nixternal | heh, that doesn't sound right at all | 11:33 |
| j1mc | heh | 11:33 |
| mdke | well, maybe 35% | 11:33 |
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| ubotu | New bug: #129327 in kubuntu-docs (main) "Internet section: Add a Internet Messaging section" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/129327 | 11:35 |
| nixternal | lol | 11:36 |
| nixternal | maybe when you wake up mdke it will be at 50% | 11:36 |
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