=== TLE [n=kenneth@cpe.atm2-0-68382.0x50a1da32.hknxx3.customer.tele.dk] has joined #ubuntu-doc === tck_ [n=tck@78.16.68.254] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mpt [n=mpt@121-72-136-247.dsl.telstraclear.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Burgundavia [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #ubuntu-doc === tck_ [n=tck@78.16.68.254] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Knightlust [n=umaming@ubuntu/member/knightlust] has joined #ubuntu-doc === merriam__ [n=merriam@82-133-115-120.dyn.gotadsl.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jjesse [n=jjesse@adsl-76-212-56-86.dsl.klmzmi.sbcglobal.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jjesse [n=jjesse@adsl-76-212-56-86.dsl.klmzmi.sbcglobal.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Knightlust [n=Dax@ubuntu/member/knightlust] has joined #ubuntu-doc === glatzor [n=renate@p57AEE022.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [08:46] morning all [08:51] hey mdke [08:53] mpt: so I've been thinking about how we can go about using this gnome-user-docs vcs-import. Is the best approach to create a branch of it and store it at ~ubuntu-docs? Would we store the packaging for the Ubuntu package in the same branch, or a separate one (given that we'll need to merge changes from Debian for that)? === bhuvan [n=bhuvan@ubuntu/member/bhuvan] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jono [i=jono@ubuntu/member/jono] has joined #ubuntu-doc === fijam [n=fijam@unaffiliated/fijam] has joined #ubuntu-doc [10:30] New bug: #129189 in ubuntu-docs (main) "Instant Messaging Documentation: News Readers need more details" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/129189 [10:53] mdke, the answer to your first question is probably "yes", but for your second question you'd need to ask someone with more (i.e. non-zero) experience in packaging-with-Bazaar === Gwaihir [n=Gwaihir@mail.foredil.it] has joined #ubuntu-doc === tck [n=tck@213-202-153-130.bas503.dsl.esat.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === TeTeT [n=spindler@modemcable178.77-70-69.static.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-doc === TeTeT [n=spindler@modemcable178.77-70-69.static.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jjesse [n=jjesse@64.186.55.234] has joined #ubuntu-doc === TLE [n=kenneth@cpe.atm2-0-68382.0x50a1da32.hknxx3.customer.tele.dk] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jjesse_ [n=jjesse@64.186.55.234] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jjesse_ [n=jjesse@64.186.55.234] has joined #ubuntu-doc === j1mc [n=j1mc@157.199.21.56] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mehdi2 [n=mehdi@ubuntu/member/MehdiHassanpour] has joined #ubuntu-doc === bodhi_zazen [n=bodhizaz@stpete.helmednet.org] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Spads [i=spacehob@unaffiliated/spads] has joined #ubuntu-doc [06:59] So how do you folks generate PDFs? I see lots of rules in the Makefiles using "fop", but can't find it in Ubuntu. [07:03] Ubuntu Documentation: jjesse * r4196 common/authors/jonathan-jesse.xml: testing svn passsword [07:03] wahoo got my password finaly reset [07:03] ah, that was me. [07:04] was CIA-14 not working for a while? [07:04] must not have been [07:04] because I think I just fixed that as well [07:04] cool congrats [07:04] and sped up svn commits [07:04] although you guys really should use bzr :) [07:04] i keep telling them ;) [07:04] haha [07:04] fight the good fight! [07:05] anyway, sorry that took so long [07:05] no problerms [07:05] so can you tell me how you guys build PDFs? [07:05] jjesse: Admiral_Chicago and I were just talking about bzr on saturday. seems like it's on a number of people's minds. [07:06] Spads: I've never used it to buidl pdfs [07:06] afk confrence call [07:17] whoa [07:17] CIA is working again [07:17] jjesse: was you commit pretty fast? [07:18] Spads: you rock! [07:18] Spads: we use Apache FOP [07:18] nixternal: what package is that in? [07:18] none that I know of...I had to build it from tarball [07:19] I have been using a different method of late for KDE 4 documentation [07:19] is that method in the docteam svn? [07:19] yes [07:19] dblatex is good as well..that is what we use for KDE [07:19] truthfully I don't like FOP...it is a real pita [07:20] and dblatex is in the repos [07:23] okay [07:23] I'll take a look [07:24] nixternal: where would I see the kde 4 docs using dblatex? === tck [n=tck@213-202-153-130.bas503.dsl.esat.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === DarkRaven [n=dvwyngaa@dsl-244-220-56.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-doc [07:30] you would have to pull them from the KDE SVN [07:30] nixternal: got a URL? [07:31] they are all over the place... but you can see http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/KDE/kdebase/doc as there is some documentation in there [07:31] most of which hasn't really been updated just yet [07:42] nixternal: yes my commit was pretty quick [07:42] excellent [07:42] nixternal: do you have an example of a URL I can just svn get and build to see a dblatex invocation happen? [07:43] Spads: you can try our svn for dblatex... https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam/Repository [07:45] ah, I thought you said that was still using fop [07:46] well, you can use dblatex for any document that is DocBook/XML [07:47] ah okay, I'll just give it a try then [07:47] the fop stuff seems to have xsl though, and I assume dblatex doesn't use that does it [07:48] so do you have to use LaTeX styles to affect the PDF output? [07:48] it can if you tell it to [07:48] oh nice [07:48] basically I was hoping to find a Makefile where I could see what sort of options one passes for a production doc tree like this [07:49] we do however have latex scripts we use for KDE docs [07:49] I am not 100% familiar with it totally [07:49] ok [07:49] ya, there are so many options, with dblatex and fop...it is crazy [07:50] been a while since I last used FOP...probably the Edgy cycle while mdke was on vacation I think [07:51] heh, maybe I'll poke mdke [07:52] he definitely knows fop [07:53] do the topic based help docs build into pdf? [07:53] I am sure they would if we added the stuff to the makefile [07:54] KHC is going to be pretty cool in KDE 4...say you are looking at some help, and you would like to print it out, you can click a button and have it save it as a PDF to print out === glatzor [n=renate@p57AEE022.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === F4EYE [n=denis@86.69.112.41] has joined #ubuntu-doc [08:52] good evening [08:52] good afternoon :) [08:52] :) [08:52] 8H52 PM in France :) === F4EYE [n=denis@86.69.112.41] has left #ubuntu-doc ["Ex-Chat"] [09:08] jjesse: when is the book coming out? soon no? [09:08] book is out already isn't it? [09:09] i have my copy :) [09:09] you can order it on amazon right now [09:10] mpt: thanks. I'm going to ask dholbach when he gets back from vacation, I think [09:14] mdke: i got my svn password finally straightened out [09:14] so i can commit again [09:16] ah okay. thanks [09:17] so it is out... [09:25] yeah i only got two copies this time === Gwaihir [n=Gwaihir@ubuntu/member/gwaihir] has joined #ubuntu-doc [10:07] jjesse: yay [10:24] mdke: any bets on how long it takes him to misplace it again? :) [10:24] nixternal: I had just started typing that... I'll bet 3 days [10:24] hahaha [10:24] wow, you are generous with 3 [10:24] you going lower? [10:24] jjesse: ^^ yes we are picking on you :) [10:25] I was going to say sometime tomorrow we will get the "Lets move Doc SVN to BZR" email [10:26] lol === j1mc [n=j1mc@157.199.21.56] has joined #ubuntu-doc [10:56] aw man, the download feedback for bzr is still terrible [10:58] the download feedback? what do you mean? [10:59] the status progress information when checking out [11:00] yes it is [11:00] it is like it doesn't even match what is really going on [11:00] just has the phase 1/4 and updates when it feels like it [11:02] it's a bit like the Windows one [11:03] we just had a BZR developer give a talk at a recent LUG event, and he didn't sound to sure of himself when questioned...it kind of turned me off a bit [11:03] really? Who was it? [11:03] John something [11:03] he is from Chicago [11:04] Admiral_Chicago or j1mc: do you remember his name? [11:04] John A Meinel? [11:04] yes, that's him [11:04] john@canonical.com [11:04] I thought he was one of the lead guys [11:04] ya [11:05] orly [11:05] he doesn't have a canonical email address on his lp account though, I don't think he works there [11:05] nixternal: i thought he gave a good talk - answered our questions well . . . even ones about the speed of bzr, which has been a somewhat big issue. [11:05] ya, I wasn't all to happy about the response to speed [11:06] mdke: he does...he gave us a business card and emails the chicago team's ml with it [11:06] he does work for canonical, though. [11:06] yeah [11:06] oh, ok [11:07] and he hacks from a iBook :) [11:07] eww [11:07] what-ever! [11:08] ;-) don't a lot of devs work from the new intel macs so they can see how their software works on linux, windows, and os x? [11:09] ya [11:09] I would too, but I can't afford one of them beasts [11:11] damn progress bar hasn't moved for 10 minutes [11:12] lol [11:12] bzr co whatever && go wait for days [11:18] haha [11:18] it got up to about 50% then finished [11:20] haha, that is nuts [11:20] I think I can seriously check out trunk/KDE in SVN before you could Ubuntu docs in BZR [11:20] ok, let's try pushing it back to Launchpad [11:21] and we are talking over a gig and then some [11:21] pushing it is actually not to bad [11:22] here we go, it starts on about 30% immediately then goes really slowly [11:22] what are you pushing? [11:25] nixternal: gnome-user-docs [11:25] ooh [11:25] that will take you 2 months minimum for pushing one xml file :) [11:27] still on 30% [11:27] haha, wow [11:28] it's already appearing here though, quite cool - https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-doc/gnome-user-docs/ubuntu-changes [11:28] :-/ that is kind of sad. at least the bzr devs know that speed is a problem. [11:29] that is good they have gotten the updates to appear on the web quicker than 15 minutes like before [11:29] it's not the speed that bothers me, it's the poor feedback [11:30] there's no "version 2344 of ubuntu docs checked out" message? [11:31] that's not what I want, I want a proper progress message while it's downloading/uploading [11:31] it's still on 30% [11:33] heh, that doesn't sound right at all [11:33] heh [11:33] well, maybe 35% === mdke beds [11:35] New bug: #129327 in kubuntu-docs (main) "Internet section: Add a Internet Messaging section" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/129327 [11:36] lol [11:36] maybe when you wake up mdke it will be at 50%