[12:33] <mhb> manchicken: hi, were you the one who asked about the kde4 meta package or is my head confused again?
[12:33] <manchicken> It was me IIRC.
[12:34] <mhb> manchicken: is it made yet?
[12:34] <manchicken> Dunno.
[12:34] <manchicken> I don't think so.  I could check I suppose.
[12:35] <manchicken> Nope.  At least not in the repos yet.
[12:37] <mhb> manchicken: we really should create one with a nice name, like "kubuntu-kde4" or something. kdelibs5 is really a confusing name for a package.
[12:38] <manchicken> Yes.
[12:38] <mhb> manchicken: thanks for the info. I'll ask Hobbsee when she arrives.
[12:38] <manchicken> kubuntu4-desktop :)
[12:38] <Riddell> copy kde-meta
[12:39] <manchicken> Riddell: Burning the midnight oil I see.
[12:40] <Riddell> oh, I'll go back to Harry Potter momentarily :)
[12:40] <mhb> manchicken: I'm +1 more than him, by the way :o)
[12:41] <manchicken> Nice.
[12:42] <manchicken> You crazy nightowl Europeans.
[12:42] <Riddell> apachelogger: a couple of questions http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=6246
[04:17] <ryanakca> kmilo / kmix stays between 0% and 11% when using the keyboard volume keys... any idea why?
[04:20] <ryanakca> Ok. The mute on/off problem comes from not being able to mute PCM. So, if you select PCM as the master channel in kmix, mute won't work.
[05:14] <nixternal> ryanakca: that is the same for me
[05:14] <nixternal> Intel chipset
[05:14] <nixternal> how do you select the mast channel stuff?
[05:14] <ryanakca> right click the kmix icon in the systray, and Select Master Channel
[05:15] <nixternal> hrmm
[05:15] <nixternal> rock on!
[05:15] <ryanakca> :)
[05:15] <nixternal> now if only my vol +/- worked with PCM
[05:16] <nixternal> well, that would be nothing more than remapping the keys
[05:17] <ryanakca> my +/- doesn't work with any channel
[05:18] <nixternal> my +/- moves volume up and down
[05:18] <nixternal> it worked with Feisty perfectly, but not with Gutsy
[05:19] <ryanakca> same
[05:20] <ryanakca> Opening kmixer, and hitting the buttons (with volume values as absolute), nothing is moving.
[05:20] <nixternal> what file do you change for multimedia buttons?
[05:21] <nixternal> argh, my mute button stays on now all the time
[05:21] <ryanakca> Ouch. Umm.
[05:21] <ryanakca> No clue :)
[05:21] <nixternal> ya, when I switch it to PCM it doesn't light up
[05:22] <ryanakca> .kde/share/config/kmixrc
[05:23] <ryanakca> It can't I don't think, just a sec, I'll get a screenshot of what mine looks like
[05:25] <nixternal> I filed a bug about it, but there has been no response to it at all
[05:26] <nixternal> is there an ubuntu-audio or something channel?
[05:27] <nixternal> bug 120515
[05:27] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 120515 in linux-source-2.6.22 "Master volume control doesn't work, PCM only" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120515
[05:28] <ryanakca> nixternal: http://blog.ryanak.ca/kmix.png http://blog.ryanak.ca/kmix1.png ... those two screenies show that PCM can't be muted, but that still doesn't say why vol +/- doesn't work on it... or on any other channel for that matter
[05:29] <nixternal> holy smokes...the sound team has 313 bugs to work through...man that sucks
[05:29] <ryanakca> nixternal: best bet is probably either the ubuntu studio chan, or crimsun, (I think he is/was the audio maintainer for Ubuntu) methinks.
[05:29] <nixternal> ya, he doesn't do it anymore..god bless his little heart :)
[05:29] <nixternal> he got the Intel stuff fixed in Feisty though
[05:30] <nixternal> well changing my PCM to the master channel, I can mute it..but it does goofy things with my button
[05:32] <ryanakca> hmm. I don't think I have a master volume control... at least not in kmix or alsamixer/alsamixergui
[05:35] <ryanakca> anyways, time for bed, see yah :)
[06:23] <nixternal> bug 127944
[06:23] <nixternal> hrmm
[06:23] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 127944 in openoffice.org2 "[gutsy] Open Office applications don't start " [High,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/127944
[06:24] <nixternal> there you go...good boy!
[09:53] <_StefanS_> morning
[09:53] <_StefanS_> Hobbsee: hey, you there?
[09:53] <Hobbsee> _StefanS_: greetings
[09:53] <Hobbsee> _StefanS_: i havent tried recompiling anything
[09:54] <_StefanS_> Hobbsee: oh, good. Is there a chance you could test it soon then ?
[09:54] <_StefanS_> Hobbsee: me and Tonio_ is going to get that fade thing done, so ..
[09:56] <Hobbsee> sometime, probably :)
[09:58] <_StefanS_> Hobbsee: apart from krusader, was there any other applications that failed compilation?
[09:59] <Hobbsee> amarok
[10:02] <_StefanS_> uhm ok, I will test it then
[10:04] <Hobbsee> it was probably anything that was recompiled
[10:05] <Hobbsee> stdin: yay, kubuntu haters!
[10:06] <stdin> hehe, yeah
[10:06] <stdin> I wounder if they realist they don't *have* to use it??
[10:08] <Hobbsee> stdin: of course, i'm not sure if that is the case, or if it's just an incompetent user
[10:13] <Tonio_> hi
[10:13] <Tonio_> allee: ping ?
[10:15] <Tonio_> someone wants to test the new kdebluetooth ?
[10:15] <Tonio_> I've finished the packages yesterday
[10:15] <Tonio_> still a bit buggy, but already better than the current one imho
[10:19] <stdin> Hobbsee: ahh, he's a debian dev. that explains the attitude :p
[10:19] <Hobbsee> stdin: hah, right
[11:13] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: I can test those bluetooth thingys
[11:14] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: whats the repo url?
[11:15] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: can never remember :)
[11:15] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: oh found it.
[11:17] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: oki ;)
[11:18] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: anything particular you want me to test?
[11:19] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: and do you have a gpg key also?
[11:24] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: they seems to work.. I will test using my mobile and the bluetooth mouse i've got
[11:25] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: can you send a file on your mobile ?
[11:25] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: download works for me, but uploads creates a 32KB file everytime
[11:25] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: seems to be the only issue I have with it
[11:25] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: yes, so I should test an upload to the phone?
[11:25] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: yes please
[11:25] <_StefanS_> ok
[11:26] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: I can connect my mouse and download files
[11:27] <_StefanS_> gotta logout
[11:28] <metellius> does anyone know if (when using apt's source mechanism) there is a way to compile just kwin and generating the corresponding deb without having to compile the whole kdebase tree?
[11:32] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: jeeez.. .when is HIDD going to be enabled by default..
[11:32] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: gotta reboot.
[11:33] <Tonio_> oki ;)
[11:33] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: hidd is not required to connect to a mouse in fact
[11:33] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: dbus replaces hidd
[11:33] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: uhm, thats great. But the mouse dont work now with HIDD disabled.
[11:33] <Tonio_> metellius: you cannot do that
[11:34] <Tonio_> ah ?
[11:34] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: so it needs to be enabled ?
[11:34] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: we should change that, especially since pitti already told me he wouldn't have any problem with hidd enabled by default and security
[11:34] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: i've never had it worked without. How would you make the initial connection to a bluetooth mouse?
[11:34] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: we'll discuss this toonight during the meeting, I added en entry
[11:34] <_StefanS_> ok
[11:35] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: initial connection ? with kdebluetooth afaik
[11:35] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: should work without hidd if my understanding is correct
[11:35] <Tonio_> dbus does the job then
[11:35] <_StefanS_> well it works now
[11:35] <_StefanS_> I needed to do a hidd --search in konsole
[11:35] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: yes but how did you perform the connection ? wsith kdebluetooth or sing command line ?
[11:35] <_StefanS_> command line.
[11:36] <_StefanS_> kbluetooth didn't show any devices.
[11:36] <Tonio_> oki so you didn't use the modern way
[11:36] <Tonio_> ah...... so maybe it just doesn't work for you.....
[11:36] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: but in theory, with dbus, no hidd is required afaik
[11:36] <metellius> Tonio_: I'm sure I can, it's probably just a question of how much pain i'm getting myself into :)
[11:37] <metellius> Tonio_: but according to you, it's not a supported thing to do?
[11:37] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: hidd_enabled is not needed i can see. But the initial connection dont work without me making a hidd --search
[11:37] <Tonio_> metellius: generating a kwin deb without recompiling kdebase is just impossible, as the package splitting is done after everything has been compiled
[11:37] <Tonio_> metellius: you have to build everything
[11:37] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: hum that's not good
[11:37] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: how about a cellphone upload ?
[11:38] <metellius> Tonio_: ah, I see. how about first building kdebase, then modifying kwin and not having to compile kdebase all over for every little change?
[11:38] <Tonio_> metellius: you can compile kwin and just kwin, but not generate deb files
[11:38] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: cellphone upload is 32kb as well.
[11:39] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: smaller files work though.
[11:39] <Tonio_> metellius: best thing is to use ccache in pbuilder, which uses a cache to avoid rebuilding everything everytime
[11:39] <Tonio_> metellius: you'll earn about 40% of compile time, but not more
[11:39] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: yep
[11:39] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: I have no doubt that'll be fixed before gutsy is released
[11:39] <metellius> does dpkg-buildpackage really not use any caching at all when rebuilding?
[11:40] <Tonio_> metellius: nope it doesn't
[11:40] <Tonio_> metellius: except using ccache, for example in pbuilder
[11:40] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: does the blue "bluetooth" icon light up when you use your bt mouse?
[11:40] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: mine is gray even when the mouse works. Seems like it bypassed the kdebluetooth altogether
[11:41] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: I don't have my mouse here to tell you, I'll test toonight during the meeting
[11:42] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: I wonder if using hidd doesn't make the device unvisible with dbus
[11:43] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: or something like that
[11:44] <Riddell> metellius: to start compiling again without cleaning the package do  debuild -nc
[11:44] <Riddell> where debuild is dpkg-buildpackage with some extra checks (and easier to type)
[11:45] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: maybe... where should I query for the mouse
[11:46] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: cant really see it anywhere
[11:49] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: hehe, now the bluetooth icon flashes everytime I move my mouse, but the pointer isn't :)
[11:51] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: also hidp doesn't seem to loaded automatically upon boot.
[11:51] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: which is required for the kernel to understand mouse+keyboard devices AFAIK
[11:51] <metellius> Riddell: ah, thank you. will try that
[11:51] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: allee did some tests reguarding to bluetooth and mice
[11:52] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: he might know how to make tests with dbus
[11:52] <Tonio_> Riddell: what if you don't clean ?
[11:53] <Tonio_> Riddell: will a second debuild only build the difference ?
[11:53] <Tonio_> I see what it does but I don't see how that'll help in building just a kwin binary deb file
[11:54] <metellius> otherwise, I guess the intended solution is to compile kwin manually while modifying, and then finally build the deb in the end
[11:55] <Riddell> it'll only build what isn't already built
[11:56] <Riddell> if you only want to compile kwin, don't compile it as a .deb
[12:02] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: rebooting with HIDD_ENABLED=1 it works without doing anything, and the bluetooth icon is blue while mouse is connected.
[12:08] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: can you see the device in the "input devices" kdebluetooth thing ?
[12:09] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: nope, all empty.
[12:09] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: oki so it just doesn't work
[12:09] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: right.
[12:10] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: I mean outside kdebluetooth is seems to work fine, but as I understand it, that method is deprecated in favour of dbus.
[12:10] <_StefanS_> is/it
[12:11] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: hum, I have regressions compared to how it worked before.....
[12:11] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: I can't see any devices here, while it worked before
[12:11] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: oh ok, want me to go back to current gutsy, and test again ?
[12:12] <fdoving> Riddell: hi. did you get my dolphin message from yesterday?
[12:13] <Riddell> fdoving: you'd best repeat it
[12:13] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: current gutsy might work I guess, but causes lots of issues since we have to patch bluez to make it to work
[12:14] <Tonio_> the idea with the new kdebluetooth is to use the now standard dbus interface
[12:14] <fdoving> Riddell: i have a modified dolphin package ready for upload. Removed the isoservice.desktop servicemenu file from the installed package, as the syntax of the file is incorrect and if i fix it it doesn't do anything. http://ubuntu.lnix.net/archive/gutsy/
[12:14] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: I could see my device 2 weeks ago, so I suspect a big regression on that point
[12:14] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: it should have worked better
[12:14] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: uhm yes
[12:15] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: new revision sync, I'll rebuild packages in a moment
[12:15] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: ok, I will test as soon you're ready
[12:15] <Tonio_> _StefanS_:
[12:15] <Tonio_> C    kbluetooth/trayicon.cpp
[12:15] <Tonio_> U    kinputwizard/inputwizard.cpp
[12:15] <Tonio_> U    kinputwizard/inputwizard.h
[12:15] <Tonio_> U    kinputwizard/inputdialog_ext.ui
[12:15] <Tonio_> U    kbluelock/main.cpp
[12:15] <Tonio_> U    kbluelock/kbluelock.cpp
[12:15] <Tonio_> here is the difference
[12:16] <_StefanS_> err.. thats not much :)
[12:16] <_StefanS_> it will probably not make any difference
[12:17] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: probably not
[12:18] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: we could always try to trace down that empty listview... maybe its just a enumeration of available devices that doesn't make it into that list
[12:18] <_StefanS_> a/an
[12:18] <_StefanS_> damn keyboard :)
[12:19] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: sure
[12:19] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: should be a big big issue
[12:20] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: damn, gotta fix that fglrx first
[12:20] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: lol
[12:20] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: i know, its hard to fix fglrx :)
[12:20] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: damn ATi drivers
[12:20] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: hopefully they'll go opensource soon
[12:21] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: yeah.. when pigs start flying.
[12:21] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: I heard about that, but I beleive it when I see ti
[12:21] <Riddell> fdoving: uploaded, thanks
[12:21] <fdoving> Riddell: great, thank you :)
[12:22] <Riddell> fdoving: do you know if anything can be done about the information given for icon in media:/ in dolphin?
[12:23] <fdoving> Riddell: like some device-specific icon? or what do you have in mind?
[12:26] <Riddell> fdoving: at the moment it just has a blank icon and no information, it should have the same icon in the media view and some information (like disk used level)
[12:27] <fdoving> ah.. the information sidebar-thing.
[12:28] <Riddell> yep
[12:28] <fdoving> i don't know, but i can have a quick look.
[01:06] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: I'm looking at the discoverDevices() for libkbluetooth now, hope I'll find something
[01:35] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: great
[01:35] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: works for me concerning the devices like phones, I can see them
[01:36] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: only the input devices box stays empty
[01:40] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: ok, Is there a generic way to turn debug on for stuff in debuild?
[01:40] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: instead of changing each makefile, I mean
[01:42] <fdoving> #DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS += nostrip
[01:42] <fdoving> #DEB_STRIP_EXCLUDE = mailody
[01:42] <fdoving> replace mailody with the app name. i guess.
[01:42] <_StefanS_> ok thx
[01:43] <fdoving> binary name i mean.
[01:45] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: talking about the build debug or the app debug ?
[01:45] <Tonio_> sorry but I don't get you there
[01:45] <fdoving> app debug.
[01:46] <Tonio_> fdoving: isn't deb_configure_extra_flags what you need ?
[01:46] <fdoving> i think DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS works too.
[01:46] <Tonio_> oki
[01:46] <fdoving> atleast that's what i've been using on mailody.
[01:47] <Tonio_> cdbs_kde_enable_debug
[01:47] <Tonio_> should also do the trick readong to kde.mk
[01:47] <fdoving> ok, there are probably more ways to do it too :)
[01:48] <Tonio_> fdoving: ahhhhhhh that's where the nostrip is uses indeee
[01:48] <Tonio_> indeed
[01:48] <Tonio_> ifneq (,$(findstring nostrip,$(DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS)))
[01:48] <Tonio_>  49         cdbs_kde_enable_final =
[01:48] <Tonio_>  50         cdbs_kde_enable_debug = --enable-debug=yes
[01:48] <Tonio_>  51 else
[01:48] <Tonio_>  52         cdbs_kde_enable_debug = --disable-debug
[01:48] <Tonio_>  53 endif
[01:48] <Tonio_> you're right
[01:48] <Tonio_> but configure_extra_flags might also work
[01:49] <fdoving> uhm.. kdevelop crashed my X.
[01:53] <fdoving> Riddell: we need to do some hacking to sort that d3lphin information sidebar-issue. The problem is much related to the media:/device beeing recognized as a Folder (??), not media/hdd_mounted etc. not sure why.
[01:54] <fdoving> the service menus does recognize the correct mime-type.. so something is fishy.
[01:55] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: good, I'll use that cdbs
[01:56] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: then use what fdoving said
[02:00] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: it seems to compile with debug info now.
[02:02] <Tonio_> oki ;)
[02:02] <_StefanS_> brb
[02:06] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: I keep getting this error: kinputwizard: libkbluetooth: getStringList(): Method "ListDevices" with signature "" on interface "org.bluez.input.Manager" doesn't exist
[02:06] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: and ends up with a null list
[03:18] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: you there?
[03:21] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: I found some clues...
[03:21] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: /etc/bluetooth/input.service is missing, and thus the dbus lookup fails for the ActivateService("input").
[03:22] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: also fc8 rpm's mentions /etc/bluetooth/serial.service as well, but I'm not sure how that relates to bluetooth (phone modem?)
[03:22] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: interesting, can be due to the package splitting
[03:22] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: /usr/lib/bluetooth/bluetoothd-service-input doesnt exist either.
[03:22] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: http://fr2.rpmfind.net//linux/RPM/fedora/devel/i386/bluez-utils-3.12-1.fc8.i386.html
[03:22] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: with the new releases, it is possible that I miss some of them
[03:23] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: I think so.
[03:23] <Tonio_> Riddell: how to perform a dh_install --fix-missing within pbuilder ?
[03:23] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: I got some debug output for you aswell, but maybe we (you?) should just wait until these files are in place.
[03:23] <Tonio_> Riddell: it is a bit boring building with debuild before testing in pbuilder.....
[03:24] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: well keep that in mind, I'll be there toonight for testing, before and after the meeting
[03:24] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: uhm, I gotta figure out the local time for that meeting
[03:25] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: 21 UTC
[03:25] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: argh, thats at 23.00 local time. I will not make it, gotta get my sleep
[03:25] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: can we look at some stuff before that ?
[03:26] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: don't think so as I'll spend 2 hours in the train before that....
[03:26] <Riddell> Tonio_: --fix-missing?  what's that?
[03:27] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: I'll be at home on contrib day al tomorrow, come on then :)
[03:27] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: tomorrow it is
[03:27] <Riddell> Tonio_: inability to do --list-missing is my main reason why I don't use pbuilder much
[03:27] <Tonio_> Riddell: s/fix/list :)
[03:28] <Tonio_> Riddell: can't we simply add that to kde.mk ?
[03:28] <Riddell> yes probably, but then if there are missing files you can't add them (without re-doing the whole compile)
[03:29] <Tonio_> Riddell: and that, you can do combining debuild -cn and list-missing, am I right ?
[03:30] <Riddell> dh
[03:30] <Riddell> tsk
[03:30] <Riddell> you can run dh_install --list-missing  manually until you've fixed all the problems
[03:30] <Riddell> then debuild -nc
[03:30] <Tonio_> interesting ;)
[03:30] <Riddell> then you gamble on doing it in pbuilder to see if it's really perfect and just uploading without a final check
[03:31] <Tonio_> Riddell: yes, that's what causing me problems
[03:31] <Riddell> dh_install --sourcedir=debian/tmp --list-missing   depending on how it has been packaged
[03:31] <Riddell> Tonio_: you could get a ppa and upload it there for the final check
[03:31] <Tonio_> Riddell: not for initial packaging, as splitting is easy, but to manage an already splitted package, aka kdebase, for example, pbuilder is a pain....
[03:32] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'll test that way
[03:33] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: I can send you the debug output as well if you need it?
[03:33] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: please do
[03:35] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: there you go. Hope you can make sense of it :)
[03:36] <Tonio_> hehe
[03:37] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: anyways I think its just that input.service and the library accompaniyng it
[03:37] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: I will install fc8 just to test it
[03:53] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: ofcourse the problems appear to be in bluez-utils ..
[03:55] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: yep, of course
[03:58] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: the original one on bluez.org has the input.service in there I can see..
[03:58] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: so must some packaging
[03:58] <_StefanS_> must be
[04:21] <manchicken> Morning everybody.
[04:47] <Riddell> anyone noticed this? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kopete/+bug/128537
[04:47] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 128537 in kopete "kopete grabs all memory/CPU when triggered by unrelated file I/O" [Undecided,New] 
[05:11] <bddebian> Heya
[05:11] <ryanakca> hey bddebian
[05:11] <bddebian> Hi ryanakca
[05:13] <manchicken> Nooooooo!  Tabs!
[05:13] <manchicken> That's much better :)
[05:20] <Hobbsee> Riddell: nope, i cant reproduce that
[05:20] <Riddell> Hobbsee: in gutsy?
[05:20] <Hobbsee> Riddell: yes
[05:20] <Riddell> thanks
[05:21] <Hobbsee> no problem
[05:29] <nixternal> mornin'
[05:30] <ScottK> Howdy.
[05:34] <bddebian> Heya nixternal
[05:34] <nixternal> boo!
[05:34] <nixternal> howdy
[05:34] <nixternal> where have you been hiding?
[06:42] <ryanakca> Can someone help me test what I'm guessing is a bug in I-don't-know-what?
[06:44] <ryanakca> sudo dpkg-reconfigure console-setup , and fill in your setup info (keyboard, encoding, etc), and then when you get to Terminus/VGA/Fixed/TerminusBold/etc, pick a random one, and then a random font size (smaller the better). Then logout, log back in, go to X, and back to the VT. Hit enter a couple times, does your prompt go off the bottom of the screen?
[06:46] <Tonio_> anyone fancy testing kdebluetooth dbus version ?
[06:46] <Tonio_> I just got bluez fixed to work with it :)
[07:13] <stdin> hmm, why does kubuntu-grub-splashimages change /boot/grub/menu.lst to 600 ?
[07:49] <manchicken> Damnit, KDE accessibility turned on the number pad mouse keys again.
[07:49] <manchicken> ALT-F12 doesn't seem to be disabling it anymore either.
[07:49] <Riddell> I don't have any number pad mouse keys
[07:50] <manchicken> It just randomly turns on.
[07:51] <manchicken> And it doesn't seem to respect the keys.
[08:06] <ryanakca> nixternal: hmm. After today's upgrade, now my vol +/-/mute keys work, except I don't see kmilo.
[09:43] <alesan> what image is that displayed at the login?
[09:43] <alesan> while logging in I mean
[09:43] <alesan> with all the icons that flash and get colored
[09:43] <Riddell> it's ksplash-moodin-theme
[09:44] <alesan> thanks
[09:44] <Riddell> as with most things the kubuntu branding is in kubuntu-default-settings
[09:44] <alesan> so many packages :)
[09:44] <Riddell> also be careful of the cache it keeps in ~/.kde/share/apps/ksplash if changing anything
[09:44] <alesan> I am building a new version of the livecd
[09:44] <alesan> so I don't think I should mind that :)
[09:45] <Riddell> alesan: what are you changing about the live cd?
[09:46] <alesan> I will install some more packages and drivers
[09:46] <alesan> for a product of my company (it's a kind of small X-server for multiuser systems)
[09:47] <alesan> I'd like to add a tiny logo of the company near the ubuntu one
[09:47] <Riddell> product that you're selling?
[09:47] <alesan> what do you mean?
[09:47] <alesan> the device of the ubuntu cd?
[09:48] <alesan> kubuntu cd
[09:48] <alesan> s/of/or
[09:48] <alesan> the device of course we are selling it :) that's our company only product more or less
[09:49] <alesan> we sell to schools mainly in the developing countries
[09:50] <alesan> would you like more info?
[09:50] <Riddell> sure, sounds exciting
[09:50] <alesan> www.ncomputing.com
[09:50] <alesan> we have two main products
[09:51] <Riddell> if you're selling it with some kubuntu branding still in place you need to get a trademark licence, which is available at no cost
[09:51] <alesan> one is a PCI board that can give you 3 stations (you can put two such boards for 6 stations)
[09:51] <alesan> other is a LAN product that can be connected anyware in a network (also over WAN)
[09:52] <alesan> Riddell, we already have contacts for marketing and branding
[09:52] <Riddell> with canonical?
[09:52] <alesan> I am developing this for internal use (for now)
[09:53] <alesan> Riddell, yes, it seems our CEO has a direct contact in canonical or similar
[09:53] <Riddell> groovy
[09:54] <alesan> ~dict groovy
[09:54] <alesan> no dict bot here :)
[09:54] <Riddell> "excellent" :)
[09:54] <Riddell> but more 1970s
[09:54] <alesan> "tubular" is also a meaning of that word. ?!?
[09:55] <alesan> is Kubuntu still "under" canonical right? or not?
[09:55] <Riddell> depends what you mean, it's all free software
[09:55] <alesan> yes but the trademark?
[09:55] <Riddell> that's Canonical's
[09:55] <Riddell> but as I say it's licenced at no cost in almost all cases
[09:56] <alesan> I like KDE much more and I can't stand gnome :) that's way I'm pushing Kubuntu
[09:56] <Riddell> :)
[10:00] <alesan> my god how can people work with gnome's dialog boxes for "save as"
[10:00] <alesan> it's most inefficient
[10:00] <Tonio_> yop
[10:01] <Tonio_> hum, meeting is tomorrow, stupid of me....
[10:30] <DaSkreech> Kdissert is no more?
[10:30] <sebastienb> hi
[10:32] <DaSkreech> Yo
[10:32] <DaSkreech> ryanakca: Still in the packaging groove?
[10:52] <mhb> ryanakca: hey, how's your artist ambition?
[10:52] <mhb> ryanakca: did you make a nicer kdm login screen?
[10:53] <mhb> ryanakca: I'm really looking forward to it, it's always a terrifying experience when switching from the lovely upslash to kdm :o)
[10:54] <DaSkreech> Ha ha
[10:54] <DaSkreech> How terrifying
[10:56] <DaSkreech> Never mind Semantik is a KDE4 App
[11:18] <DaSkreech> Is there somewhere with a list of kio URLs in Konqueror
[11:24] <fdoving> DaSkreech: kinfocenter -
[11:24] <fdoving> > protocols
[11:36] <nixternal> ryanakca: still don't work for me
[11:37] <DaSkreech> fdoving: Thanks
[12:06] <ryanakca> DaSkreech: yep, anything in mind?
[12:07] <ryanakca> mhb: Umm. kwwii said he was working on a new Kubuntu icon, so I dunno if he's finished it yet. If he has, I wouldn't mind tinkering with it a bit and sending him a few proposals :)
[12:07] <ryanakca> nixternal: with PCM, or another channel?
[12:07] <nixternal> either
[12:08] <ryanakca> Hmm. odd. both work here, kmilo is all that's missing. Seems to be a rather finniky issue...
[12:08] <kwwii> ryanakca: I haven't done any work on it yet - feel free to do so if you wish
[12:08] <kwwii> mhb: wassup with the website?
[12:10] <ryanakca> kwwii: okies, Ummm... do you have a particular color palette/scheme/etc that I should use? or take colors from the background/etc?
[12:10] <ryanakca> s/take/just take/g
[12:10] <kwwii> ryanakca: feel free to change things as you wish
[12:11] <kwwii> I've thought about using the black version from the usplash as wlel
[12:11] <kwwii> well
[12:11] <nixternal> argh this stupid bug is killing me
[12:13] <nixternal> hehe
[12:13] <Tm_T> there's weapon, kill that bug
[12:13] <nixternal> not that kind of bug :)
[12:13] <nixternal> our kind of bug
[12:14] <Tm_T> you mean, aaa
[12:14] <Tm_T> use that, kill that crook