[12:15] <cje_> Sayers, hi
[12:15] <Sayers> vzduch: Eh I'm on linux in US and fine...
[12:15] <Assid> well.. ms does gain alot of its foothold by convincing the govts.
[12:16] <jhutchins> I think linux needs to stay the intelligent choice for power users and not try to please the lowest common denominator.
[12:16] <Schuenemann> pirate software is good for M$ spreading its crap
[12:16] <cje_> vzduch, you are right, there are laws in the US that restrict access to non-Free formats, and that is hurting us in the US.
[12:16] <intelikey> vzduch besides all US citicens are criminals anyway,   that way if "uncle sam" ever wants you, he knows just where to find you...
[12:16] <hasan_> lowest common denominator ?
[12:16] <hasan_> what do u mean by that ?
[12:16] <jhutchins> cje_: It's only "hurting us" for people who want to use restricted formats and won't learn how.
[12:17] <intelikey> jhutchins prezactly
[12:17] <cje_> jhutchins, There are a lot of people who use restricted formats only.
[12:17] <jhutchins> The lowest common denominator being the person who just wants his gamez, doesn't care how anything works, doesn't want to learn or know anything.
[12:17] <intelikey> cje_ yep there's a fool born every hour
[12:17] <cje_> jhutchins, sad, but true.  There are even people who are actively looking for DRM.
[12:17] <pietro_> hi
[12:17] <intelikey> or is that minute
[12:17] <Schuenemann> cje_, because they don't know what is a restricted format and M$ makes them think it's the only format
[12:18] <jhutchins> Schuenemann: Actually, Microsoft's trick is not letting them think at all in the first place.
[12:18] <Sayers> jhutchins: They don't have to learn about a computer to have the right to use it!
[12:18] <cje_> Schuenemann, true, M$ has a massive marketing budget.  That is why we are trying to drum up community support for our Digital Tipping Point documentary.
[12:18] <jhutchins> Sayers: Nope!
[12:18] <jhutchins> Sayers: No argument there.
[12:18] <Schuenemann> hmm
[12:18] <jhutchins> Sayers: I just don't want _my_ linux dumbed down to their level.
[12:19] <cje_> Schuenemann, we are giving away all of our footage on-line in ogg format
[12:19] <intelikey> HERE HERE !
[12:19] <intelikey> ^5 jhutchins
[12:19] <cje_> Schuenemann, http://archive.org/details/digitaltippingpoint
[12:19] <Sayers> jhutchins: What I've been saying the whole time, Either make a seperate distro for that :P or don't allow tons of newbs to use linux,
[12:19] <Schuenemann> I'm a bit guilty there... never used ogg ;-)
[12:19] <jhutchins> Sayers: Allow anybody who's intereste to use it.
[12:19] <cje_> Schuenemann, we also have it available in .mpg
[12:19] <Sayers> Schuenemann: I would but to lazy to burn cd's , for the past month been listening to radio
[12:20] <Schuenemann> you have to burn cd's for ogg?
[12:20] <intelikey> no
[12:20] <Sayers> jhutchins: Well I think linux expanding is great, there are tons of computer geeks that don't try it or know about it.
[12:20] <Schuenemann> cje_, ogg can be video?
[12:20] <cje_> Schuenemann, yes, Ogg Theora
[12:20] <Sayers> Schuenemann: OGG is video and I think it's audio too
[12:21] <intelikey> Schuenemann you can put about 8 hours of cd quality music in .ogg format on ONE cd
[12:21] <intelikey> Sayers yes both
[12:21] <Schuenemann> intelikey, how about mp3?
[12:21] <intelikey> Schuenemann mp3 is not free
[12:21] <vzduch> Schuenemann: sure, Ogg is a container that can contain anything from audio (usually Vorbis, but also Speex, FLAC or even MP3 is possible) to video (usually Theora, but MPEG4 in various codecs is not uncommon)
[12:21] <intelikey> i don't do mp3
[12:21] <Schuenemann> intelikey, sure, I was talking about the length =)
[12:22] <Daisuke_Ido> intelikey: no, but it's a lot more common
[12:22] <Assid> Daisuke_Ido:  my problem is.. A> i have a legal copy of windows.. so its not like i gain anything that part.. B> any gaming would require me to get cedaga would again would cost more.. not to mention some perfoamcne dip
[12:22] <Daisuke_Ido> how does cedega = cost more?
[12:22] <Schuenemann> cje_, I see you talk about the FISL there
[12:22] <vzduch> I do occasional MP3s, but >95 % of what I encode myself is Ogg Vorbis
[12:22] <Assid> its like 55 bucks for cedaga
[12:22] <nicolai_> Schuenemann: Ogg is better quality per MB than MP3, but uses more processing power to play.
[12:22] <cje_> Schuenemann, try this file for ogg http://www.archive.org/details/e-dv227_berlin_13_akhundov_09-23_001.ogg
[12:22] <Daisuke_Ido> it's free for the cvs version of cedega
[12:23] <vzduch> nicolai_: not only to play, also to encode
[12:23] <intelikey> Daisuke_Ido doesn't make me have any knowledge of it...    and like i said i don't do mp3      i think there has one time been one mp3 file on this particular computer of 12 years old
[12:23] <angasule> a friend has a video that file identified as: MPEG layer 2/3 128kb/s - MS Windows Media Video 9 (ffmpeg) 640x480(640x480) - and ubuntu restricted packages didn't seem to include a codec for it, or does it?
[12:23] <Assid> hrmm
[12:23] <cje_> Schuenemann, yes, we were at FISL con in Porto Alegre two years ago
[12:23] <Assid> hrmm lets see
[12:23] <Schuenemann> cje_, I would've go the FISL, but I had some problems in the knee
[12:23] <vzduch> angasule: looks like WMV
[12:23] <Assid> might just dive in
[12:23] <Schuenemann> it was in my city once
[12:24] <angasule> vzduch: yes, it says so right there, but there are different versions of WMV
[12:24] <cje_> Schuenemann, so you must be in Brasil, no?
[12:24] <Schuenemann> yes
[12:24] <cje_> Schuenemann, we interviewed Gilberto Gil
[12:24] <cje_> !!
[12:24] <Schuenemann> heh
[12:24] <Schuenemann> what does he know about FS?
[12:24] <vzduch> who's that?
[12:24] <nicolai_> angasule: Are you running in 64-bit?
[12:24] <Schuenemann> he's a singer heh
[12:25] <Schuenemann> and was (or is) a minister
[12:25] <angasule> nicolai_: no, 32 bit
[12:25] <myfinaldoom4> yea, i need help
[12:25] <cje_> Schuenemann, here is the link to video with him in it http://www.archive.org/details/proof_of_concept_four_mins.mpg
[12:25] <nicolai_> Schuenemann: He is an important politician who likes CC and FLOSS :)
[12:25] <intelikey> myfinaldoom4 with ?
[12:25] <Schuenemann> nicolai_, what is CC and FLOSS?
[12:25] <myfinaldoom4> any people who can help me with a nework
[12:25] <cje_> nicolai_, yes, that is why we interviewed him!!
[12:26] <cje_> Schuenemann, cc = Creative Commons
[12:26] <Daisuke_Ido> FLOSS = free/libre open source software
[12:26] <cje_> Schuenemann, FLOSS = Free Libre Open Source Software
[12:26] <myfinaldoom4> i need to be able to set a server with ubuntu, to work on windows
[12:26] <Schuenemann> ahh
[12:26] <Schuenemann> nicolai_, he does???
[12:26] <myfinaldoom4> a domain
[12:27] <angasule> nobody watches videos? :?
[12:27] <nicolai_> Schuenemann: CC = Creative Commons, FLOSS = kubuntu :P
[12:27] <cje_> all of our footage on the Internet Archive is raw footage.  It needs to be improved for the final version.
[12:27] <intelikey> !dvd | angasule
[12:27] <ubotu> angasule: For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss2" can be found at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - Try k9copy (available in !Universe) for backing up DVDs
[12:27] <Schuenemann> cje_, the video quality is very cool
[12:27] <Schuenemann> no phantom backgrounds
[12:27] <angasule> wmv9 == DVD?
[12:27] <intelikey> angasule that kind ?
[12:27] <intelikey> oh
[12:27] <angasule> intelikey: no, what I said earlier
[12:27] <cje_> Schuenemann, thanks very much!
[12:27] <Daisuke_Ido> wmv9 = problematic at best
[12:28] <intelikey> !codecs
[12:28] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[12:28] <Schuenemann> cje_, is that you?
[12:28] <angasule> intelikey: already installed ubuntu restricted packages, as I said above
[12:28] <cje_> Schuenemann, where?
[12:28] <Schuenemann> in the interview :p
[12:28] <Daisuke_Ido> angasule: install vlc and be good
[12:28] <cje_> Schuenemann, I do appear in lots of the video, but I am a minor character.
[12:28] <Schuenemann> the guy from azerbaijan
[12:28] <nicolai_> angasule: You might want to look at the Medibuntu page if you haven't already.
[12:28] <myfinaldoom4> yea, thanks for the help guys
[12:29] <myfinaldoom4> gosh
[12:29] <cje_> Schuenemann, I am not in any of the videos that I just posted here, no.
[12:29] <angasule> nicolai_: I already told him to look at medibuntu, but /which/ package there?
[12:29] <angasule> VLC is UGLY
[12:29] <vzduch> what's ugly about VLC?
[12:29] <cje_> Schuenemann, you must be seeing Jack Messman, the former CEO of Novell.
[12:29] <Daisuke_Ido> so change the skin if you like that sort of thing
[12:29] <Assid> alrite im outta here.. need my sleep
[12:29] <angasule> vzduch: how do you change the brightness in VLC?
[12:29] <Assid> catch you guys later
[12:29] <Assid> thanks
[12:29] <nicolai_> angasule: w32codecs and xinelib-extracodecs
[12:29] <vzduch> it's been a bit spartanic ever since I started using it in Windoze several years ago
[12:30] <Schuenemann> cje_, he's too young to be the CEO
[12:30] <Daisuke_Ido> *libxine-extracodecs
[12:30] <Schuenemann> cje_, says Akhundov
[12:30] <intelikey> !libxine-extracodecs
[12:30] <cje_> Schuenemann, oh, no, that is not me.
[12:30] <intelikey> !info libxine-extracodecs
[12:30] <ubotu> libxine-extracodecs: the xine video/media player library, transitional package. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 1.1.4-2ubuntu3 (feisty), package size 38 kB, installed size 68 kB
[12:30] <angasule> I believe libxine-extracodecs is installed by ubuntu restricted packages...
[12:31] <cje_> Schuenemann, Akhundov is a guy from Ajerbijian whom we interviewed.
[12:31] <jhutchins> angasule: You might like mplayer better.
[12:31] <Daisuke_Ido> i recommend trying to install it on its own and making sure
[12:31] <Schuenemann> hmm
[12:31] <angasule> so, no way to play in kaffeine, the kubuntu kde player?
[12:31] <vzduch> angasule: Settings >> Extended GUI, there's a brightness slider there :)
[12:31] <intelikey> angasule well short answer to your Q that got my attention "<angasule> nobody watches videos? :?"    ! i
[12:31] <LeeJunFan> kaffeine uses libxine.
[12:31] <angasule> intelikey: well, nobody here could give me a straight answer
[12:32] <Daisuke_Ido> 99% of the people here didn't know you even asked a question
[12:32] <Daisuke_Ido> be patient
[12:32] <ciprian> how can i install a think what i download from inthernet =?!
[12:32] <Schuenemann> ciprian, huh? please clarify
[12:32] <intelikey> ciprian in windows
[12:33] <LeeJunFan> ciprian: what format is the file you downloaded?
[12:33] <angasule> Daisuke_Ido: well, I did ask a question, I think someone should write a "how to answer questions" to go with the "how to ask questions" that ESR wrote a long time  ago
[12:33] <ciprian> nope
[12:33] <ciprian> is linux
[12:33] <ciprian> kubuntu
[12:33] <ciprian> the format is .bin
[12:33] <jhutchins> angasule: Who do you imagine that the people in this channel are anyway?
[12:33] <vzduch> cje_: Ajerbijian?  what's that?
[12:33] <angasule> jhutchins: elves, why?
[12:33] <intelikey> ciprian then you probably don't want too     look for the same package in the package manager
[12:33] <vzduch> ciprian: what is it?
[12:33] <ciprian> jre-6u2-linux-i586-rpm.bin
[12:33] <Daisuke_Ido> angasule: this is a busy place, and your attitude determines who will help
[12:34] <LeeJunFan> !java
[12:34] <ubotu> To install a Java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java - For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the !Multiverse repository. Enable the backports repository on Edgy to install sun-java6-jre. Please don't use Adept to install Java if you are on Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy) or earlier.
[12:34] <intelikey> !jre
[12:34] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about jre - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:34] <Daisuke_Ido> the bot says it better than me
[12:34] <Daisuke_Ido> !patience
[12:34] <ubotu> The people here are volunteers, your attitude may determine how fast you are helped.  Not everyone is available all the time, likewise not every answer is available instantly. See also http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines
[12:34] <cje_> vzduch, Ajerbijian is a country in the former Soviet bloc
[12:34] <angasule> this place used to be /much/ more helpful
[12:34] <angasule> I'm not new, btw
[12:34] <vzduch> cje_: I think you mean Azerbaijan
[12:34] <Daisuke_Ido> there's the attitude again.
[12:34] <vzduch> :)
[12:35] <cje_> vzduch, my apologies for the misspelling.
[12:35] <Daisuke_Ido> anyway
[12:35] <intelikey> angasule it has it's days   this is a busy one.   and very little getting solved
[12:35] <Daisuke_Ido> i recommend trying to reinstall libxine-extracodecs at least, and fiddling with vlc as a temporary, if not permanent, solution
[12:35] <LeeJunFan> angasule: so what was your question anyway?
[12:35] <angasule> cje_: if you're on konversation, right click on the text input and select 'auto spell check', works great
[12:36] <ciprian> it work's
[12:36] <cje_> angasule, thanks for the suggestion.  I am using xchat
[12:36] <ciprian> another problem
[12:36] <angasule> LeeJunFan: MPEG layer 2/3 128kb/s - MS Windows Media Video 9 (ffmpeg) 640x480(640x480) <-- can't play this video on a friend's pc with kaffeine
[12:36] <cje_> angasule, and I actually find the xchat user interface a little bit hard to use.  I am actually a relatively simple end user.
[12:36] <intelikey> cje_ i think it has a menu itom for spell checking as well
[12:36] <ciprian> why i cant conect on this server sudo apt-get install sun-java5-bin
[12:37] <angasule> cje_: konversation is similar to x-chat but a lot more user friendly in my experience
[12:37] <Schuenemann> angasule, is it possible to change that language?
[12:37] <LeeJunFan> angasule: if you install w32codecs and libxine-extracodecs then kaffeine should be able to play just about anything.
[12:37] <angasule> Schuenemann: what language? the one used by the spellchecker?
[12:37] <LeeJunFan> !w32codecs
[12:37] <ubotu> Seveas has a popular 3rd party repository for several packages, including the win32 codecs: see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - See also !Codecs
[12:37] <Schuenemann> yes
[12:37] <ciprian> why i cant conect on this server London.UK.Eu.Undernet.Org:6667...  on kubuntu - konversation ?!?!
[12:37] <angasule> LeeJunFan: including wmv9?
[12:37] <jhutchins> angasule: I think I've probably already told you this, I would recommend trying mplayer or VLC, because using them is simpler than trying to fix kaffeine.
[12:37] <Daisuke_Ido> Schuenemann: i believe it goes by whatever language aspell is using
[12:37] <Schuenemann> !aspell
[12:37] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about aspell - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:37] <nicolai_> angasule: Does it work on your computer? Might it be a DRM'ed file?
[12:37] <cje_> angasule, I will try konversation.
[12:37] <angasule> jhutchins: yeah, that's sad
[12:38] <Schuenemann> !info aspell
[12:38] <ubotu> aspell: GNU Aspell spell-checker. In component main, is optional. Version 0.60.4-4 (feisty), package size 124 kB, installed size 1052 kB
[12:38] <LeeJunFan> I believe so as long as it's not copy protected.
[12:38] <Schuenemann> Daisuke_Ido, can I have 2 langs there?
[12:38] <angasule> nicolai_: he used to be able to play it with mplayer on gentoo, he just switched
[12:38] <Daisuke_Ido> Schuenemann: on that, i have no idea :)
[12:38] <jhutchins> angasule: As long as I've been messing with a Linux GUI there have been multiple broken media players, and a few that just worked.
[12:38] <vzduch> I try to disable all spellchecking I come across :)
[12:38] <Daisuke_Ido> angasule: then he had the codec then and doesn't now.
[12:38] <Schuenemann> bah, who needs spell checking? :-p
[12:38] <BluesKaj> I've locked myself out of X by making some dumb changes to xmodmap file , it's the one that has xmodmap-ubuntu 80 , i think , can some give the exact file location and nam as if editing so i can edit it in the CLI ?
[12:38] <jhutchins> angasule: Why the broken ones are kept around, I don't know.  They must work for some people.
[12:38] <ciprian> why i cant conect on this server London.UK.Eu.Undernet.Org:6667...  on kubuntu - konversation ?!?!
[12:38] <Daisuke_Ido> it's pretty straightforward
[12:38] <LeeJunFan> angasule: kaffeine will use libxine which in turn will use the w32codecs to play those.
[12:39] <angasule> Schuenemann: I deal with people from the US too often, they screw up my speeling ;)
[12:39] <Schuenemann> ciprian, yeah, why not? Give details
[12:39] <stepmanic> if u wanna play wmv just sudo apt-get install libxine-extracodecs.. all i did and everything works great now^^
[12:39] <intelikey> ciprian hmmm i'm not an undernet user but if that url is correct it may be that they are using another port   ?
[12:39] <cje__> okay, now I am on here in Konversation
[12:39] <Schuenemann> angasule, why?
[12:39] <jhutchins> angasule: Just because something's the default in kde or kubuntu, doesn't mean it even works, let alone that it's the best.
[12:39] <angasule> Schuenemann: I use british spelling
[12:39] <ciprian> hmmmm good question !!!
[12:39] <Schuenemann> hmm...
[12:39] <Daisuke_Ido> angasule: you mean proper spelling :)
[12:39] <intelikey> ciprian what client are you trying to connect with ?
[12:39] <angasule> jhutchins: well, mplayer is not known for its nice interface, either heh
[12:39] <jhutchins> k, time to go feed the horses.  Later.
[12:39] <angasule> Daisuke_Ido: indeed
[12:40] <Daisuke_Ido> i'm an american and our spelling annoys me :\
[12:40] <ciprian> client ?!
[12:40] <Schuenemann> you have horses?
[12:40] <ardchoille> Daisuke_Ido: lol
[12:40] <jhutchins> angasule: kmplayer, mplayergui.  Works great, fine interface.  Doesn't look like an alien sex toy, no, but it works.
[12:40] <intelikey> ciprian yes    application     client    interface
[12:40] <cje_> angasule, I am not seeing the spellchecker in konversation.
[12:40] <angasule> jhutchins: I don't think I'd like an alien sexy toy anyway
[12:40] <LeeJunFan> our president can't even speak correctly, why should we have to spell correctly. hehe
[12:40] <Daisuke_Ido> that may be the funniest thing i've ever seen from jhutchins...
[12:40] <Schuenemann> cje_, right click the input field
[12:40] <Daisuke_Ido> but he's the Decidinator!
[12:40] <BluesKaj> Daisuke_Ido,  yer spaeeling comes from the dutch/german names for some words
[12:40] <angasule> cje_: did you right click on the text input area and select 'auto spell check'?
[12:40] <jhutchins> Schuenemann: Yep, one each thoroughbred and saddlebred.  Redheads.
[12:41] <LeeJunFan> Don't you mean dictator?
[12:41] <Schuenemann> you must be joking
[12:41] <Daisuke_Ido> eek
[12:41] <Daisuke_Ido> i'm not going there, this is neither the time nor place for political discourse...
[12:41] <vzduch> BluesKaj: and yours comes partly from Swedish? ;)
[12:41] <cje__> testing wrong words
[12:41] <LeeJunFan> heh, no.
[12:41] <Schuenemann> brazil's president barely knows how to write
[12:41] <boris_> wind is strong here
[12:42] <angasule> Schuenemann: yeah, but he was a worker, right? didn't go to Yale? :)
[12:42] <intelikey> cje__ looks like it works
[12:42] <BluesKaj> myname Kaj, yes vzduch , altho I've been a canadian for almost 60 yrs
[12:42] <cje_> right.
[12:42] <Schuenemann> he was a *&@*#... well, he still is
[12:42] <ciprian> You have identd disabled (or broken), to continue to connect you must type /QUOTE PASS 57119 what this mean ?!
[12:42] <intelikey> write
[12:42] <nosrednaekim> what does graduating from yale have to do with anything... its called MONEY... and BRIBES
[12:43] <cje_> lol!
[12:43] <intelikey> rite
[12:43] <cje_> I just noticed the spellchecking function in xchat, too.
[12:43] <cje_> lol!
[12:43] <vzduch> o0
[12:43] <Schuenemann> isn't Yale that SuSE package manager, angasule?
[12:43] <intelikey> i told you it was there
[12:43] <vzduch> Schuenemann: *rofl*
[12:43] <ciprian> You have identd disabled (or broken), to continue to connect you must type /QUOTE PASS 57119
[12:43] <cje_> And actually, I kind of like the GUI for xchat compared with konversation.
[12:43] <Schuenemann> Yale, Yeti, something like that
[12:43] <angasule> Schuenemann: you're probably thinking of yast :P
[12:43] <intelikey> yast
[12:44] <vzduch> YaST2, to be precise ;)
[12:44] <Schuenemann> hehe
[12:44] <vzduch> acronym for 'Yet another Setup Tool'
[12:44] <cje_> I like the fact that in xchat, the names are on the left side, whereas in konversation, the names are on the right, and a little more confusing.
[12:44] <intelikey> !botsnack
[12:44] <ubotu> Yum! Err, I mean, APT!
[12:45] <vzduch> cje_: if you mean the nicklist, that's configurable
[12:45] <BluesKaj> vzduch,  do me a favour ? type xmodmap into konq and check a file with xmodmap-ubuntu 80 or something close to it and give me the actual filename in properties so i can edit it , so i can log back into kubuntu.
[12:45] <vzduch> in most clients I know
[12:45] <Schuenemann> why people love this acronym "Yet Another something" ?
[12:45] <cje_> angasule, how do you make comments addressed to yourself stand out?
[12:45] <winbond> suse is now proudly sponsored by micosoft, please download the vista demo
[12:45] <cje_> vzduch, I guess I need to look at the nicklist.
[12:45] <Daisuke_Ido> yet another "yet another"
[12:46] <angasule> cje_:settings->configure conversation->notifications->highlight->highlight current nick
[12:46] <Schuenemann> Daisuke_Ido, it's a nice name
[12:46] <stepmanic> someone know how beryl\kompiz works on a ATI 200m card?
[12:46] <BluesKaj> vzduch, i made some changes to the file and i scrrewed up
[12:46] <amaro> fala ai pessoal
[12:46] <nosrednaekim> stepmanic: yes, it works...
[12:46] <vzduch> BluesKaj: /etc/X11/Xsession.d/80ubuntu-xmodmap
[12:46] <amaro> alguem do brasil aew????????????????????
[12:46] <Schuenemann> !br | amaro
[12:46] <ubotu> amaro: Por favor use #ubuntu-br ou #ubuntu-pt  para ajuda em portugus. Obrigado.
[12:46] <angasule> amaro: nao :D
[12:46] <BluesKaj> vzduch, thx muchly
[12:47] <nosrednaekim> stepmanic: pretty well too, I have a Xpress1100 which is the same thing
[12:47] <amaro> ola angasule
[12:47] <Schuenemann> angasule, you said you were from UK
[12:47] <Daisuke_Ido> no
[12:47] <Daisuke_Ido> he said he used british spelling
[12:47] <Schuenemann> doesn't it mean the same thing? :p
[12:47] <angasule> Schuenemann: no, I didn't, I said I write british english
[12:47] <intelikey> no
[12:47] <cje_> cje__, test of highlighting in konversation
[12:48] <angasule> Schuenemann: also, when he asked if there were any brazilians, I said no, in portuguese
[12:48] <stepmanic> nosrednaekim: yeh, i know it works, but does it work fine with desktop-effects and stuff, cause i know some friends of mine have had some troubles with it
[12:48] <nicolai_> Schuenemann: I use British spelling even though I'm not british.
[12:48] <Daisuke_Ido> kiba doesn't like me :\
[12:48] <angasule> cje_: did it work? :)
[12:48] <nicolai_> Schuenemann: I try to at least. :P
[12:48] <Daisuke_Ido> !kiba-dock
[12:48] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about kiba-dock - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:48] <cje_> angasule, yes, it did.  heh.
[12:48] <nosrednaekim> stepmanic: works fine with all that stuff, you need the proprietary ATI drivers, but yeah, it works fine
[12:48] <amaro> my internet conect i not navegation help me please?????????????????????????
[12:48] <vzduch> I use British spelling when writing English because that's what I learned at school :)
[12:49] <intelikey> hmmmm if i spoke english, i would try to use british spelling...
[12:49] <vzduch> amaro: please rephrase
[12:49] <stepmanic> nosrednaekim: ok, tnx^^ gonna try get it now:P
[12:49] <amaro> i am from brasilian
[12:49] <vzduch> intelikey: what do you speak if not English? o0
[12:49] <amaro> i not speak ilglish
[12:49] <nosrednaekim> stepmanic: ok, yell if you need any help
[12:49] <stepmanic> nosrednaekim: will do^^
[12:49] <Schuenemann> amaro, #ubuntu-br
[12:50] <nicolai_> vzduch: Same thing for me. In the Danish educational system American dialect and spelling is demirited
[12:50] <Daisuke_Ido> is anyone familiar with kiba-dock?
[12:50] <nicolai_> If you want good grades you use British spelling rules
[12:50] <angasule> nicolai_: ja, her vi laerer UK engelsk ogs
[12:50] <nicolai_> :P
[12:50] <Schuenemann> !nl | angasule
[12:50] <ubotu> angasule: Nederlandstalige ondersteuning voor Ubuntu (en vers gezette koffie) is te vinden in #ubuntu-nl
[12:51] <Schuenemann> oops I think I guessed wrong
[12:51] <angasule> Schuenemann: that was norwegian, actually ;)
[12:51] <angasule> and nicolai_ is danish, I think
[12:51] <vzduch> angasule: I would have guessed Danish :)
[12:51] <nicolai_> angasule: Yep
[12:51] <angasule> vzduch: hard to tell apart heh
[12:51] <Schuenemann> where is danish spoken?
[12:51] <fujilan> weyyyyyyyy
[12:51] <amaro> my internet conect but not navegation help me please??????
[12:52] <angasule> this summer I met a swedish couple and I thought they were danish heh
[12:52] <nicolai_> vzduch: The only difference is where 'ogs' should be in the sentence :P
[12:52] <Schuenemann> amaro, escreve isso: /join #ubuntu-br
[12:52] <angasule> Schuenemann: denmark
[12:52] <vzduch> angasule: there are some things from which you can easily tell Danish from Norwegian.. but for such short phrases it's mostly a bit difficult, yes :)
[12:52] <Schuenemann> angasule, ahh...
[12:52] <angasule> vzduch: you're a danskie as well?
[12:52] <intelikey> amaro also check "kmenu > system settings > network manager        i think that's where.
[12:52] <vzduch> angasule: naw
[12:53] <angasule> nicolai_: where would you play ogs?
[12:53] <Kr4t05> Man, that's annoying...
[12:53] <angasule> s/play/place/
[12:53] <angasule> well, dutchies are easy to command, they are so nice, never say no
[12:54] <nicolai_> angasule: ja, her vi laerer UK engelsk ogs -> ja, her lrer vi ogs UK engelsk
[12:54] <amaro> vo tomar no cuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu
[12:54] <nicolai_> nicolai_: vi and lrer also had to be replaced
[12:54] <Schuenemann> amaro, vai no #ubuntu-br seu burro
[12:54] <fujilan> weyyyyyyyyyyy why i ca't connect on London.UK.Eu.Undernet.Org
[12:55] <angasule> nicolai_: I think that's the correct order in norwegian as well?
[12:55] <amaro> eu ja fuiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii
[12:55] <amaro> mas ninguem me ajuda la pow
[12:55] <vzduch> nicolai_: you're talking to yourself? o0
[12:55] <fujilan> weyyyyyyyyyyy why i ca't connect on London.UK.Eu.Undernet.Org
[12:55] <fujilan> weyyyyyyyyyyy why i ca't connect on London.UK.Eu.Undernet.Org
[12:55] <Schuenemann> amaro, pelo menos eles te entendem l
[12:55] <vzduch> fujilan: because Undernet is cr*p? =D
[12:55] <nicolai_> vzduch: I wanted to talk to angasule, but missed :P
[12:55] <amaro> pow vc me entende
[12:55] <amaro> no entende???
[12:56] <angasule> Schuenemann: voce e brasileiro?
[12:56] <fujilan> 00:56]  [error]  Your host is trying to (re)connect too fast -- throttled
[12:56] <fujilan> [00:56]  [Error]  Se ha perdido la conexin con el servidor London.UK.Eu.Undernet.Org: el servidor remoto cerr la conexin. Intentando reconectar.
[12:56] <cje_> okay, I am going to have to leave now.  Thanks to everyone for all the help!
[12:56] <angasule> nicolai_: talking to yourself is a bad sign ;)
[12:56] <angasule> have fun cje_
[12:56] <fujilan> weyyyyyyyyyyy why i ca't connect on London.UK.Eu.Undernet.Org
[12:56] <fujilan> 00:56]  [error]  Your host is trying to (re)connect too fast -- throttled
[12:56] <fujilan> [00:56]  [Error]  Se ha perdido la conexin con el servidor London.UK.Eu.Undernet.Org: el servidor remoto cerr la conexin. Intentando reconectar.
[12:56] <cje__> angasule: thanks, angasule!
[12:57] <Schuenemann> angasule, sim
[12:57] <angasule> fujilan: it might be restricted to people from UK? try us.undernet.org , it's much more permissive, I think
[12:57] <nicolai_> cje__: see you :)
[12:57] <ardchoille> !patience
[12:57] <_4strO> fujilan: plz be cool the message say you try to reconnect too fast so stop to try to connect, wait a moment an retry
[12:57] <ubotu> The people here are volunteers, your attitude may determine how fast you are helped.  Not everyone is available all the time, likewise not every answer is available instantly. See also http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines
[12:58] <Daisuke_Ido> i'm no expert, but...  this doesn't look right
[12:58] <Daisuke_Ido> http://img265.imageshack.us/img265/8617/snapshot7yz7.png
[12:58] <Schuenemann> does anyone know is there's a paltalk client to linux?
[12:59] <vzduch> long since I used Paltalk..
[12:59] <Daisuke_Ido> that's what kiba's doing to me -_-
[12:59] <vzduch> back on Windoze
[12:59] <angasule> don't know, but there wasn't one when I checked many years ago
[12:59] <runlevelten> What's paltalk?
[12:59] <nicolai_> Daisuke_Ido: the background?
[12:59] <nosrednaekim> Daisuke_Ido: you know what doesn't look right to me? the top toolbar
[12:59] <Schuenemann> Wine works for games and everything, but for NOTHING I try heh
[12:59] <Daisuke_Ido> yep
[01:00] <Daisuke_Ido> nosrednaekim: just playing around right now
[01:00] <nosrednaekim> :)
[01:00] <Daisuke_Ido> and i agree, the top toolbar looks really bad
[01:00] <amaro> schuenemann me ajuda ai powwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww
[01:00] <Schuenemann> amaro, olha o pvt fio
[01:00] <Daisuke_Ido> but yeah, when i launch kiba, the bottom fifth or so of my screen is black :\
[01:01] <nosrednaekim> fun fun =D
[01:01] <amaro> nom sei oque e isso???
[01:01] <Schuenemann> Daisuke_Ido, and there must be something interesting below the black part
[01:01] <Daisuke_Ido> as soon as i quit it, i get it all back :\
[01:01] <amaro> tow usano o linux pela plimera ves hoje
[01:01] <angasule> Daisuke_Ido: wow I really hate having two bars :)
[01:01] <Schuenemann> amaro, mensagem privada, no t pra ficar falando muito aqui
[01:01] <PriceChild> !es | amaro Schuenemann
[01:01] <ubotu> amaro Schuenemann: Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[01:01] <Daisuke_Ido> Schuenemann: well, as the black part obscures windows and essentially takes away 20% of my desktop real estate, yes.
[01:01] <vzduch> 'plimera ves'.. what dialect is that?
[01:02] <vzduch> PriceChild: wrong guess, that's Portuguese
[01:02] <PriceChild> !pt | amaro
[01:02] <Schuenemann> amaro, faz o seguinte, volta l no -br
[01:02] <amaro> mas u meu problema e curto
[01:02] <ubotu> amaro: Por favor use #ubuntu-br ou #ubuntu-pt  para ajuda em portugus. Obrigado.
[01:02] <PriceChild> vzduch, ty
[01:02] <nosrednaekim> vzduch: sounds like "first time" in spanish
[01:02] <Daisuke_Ido> angasule: i'm trying to mess with kde :D
[01:02] <angasule> Daisuke_Ido: I see :P
[01:02] <Daisuke_Ido> trying some new things, some new looks
[01:02] <vzduch> nosrednaekim: I know
[01:02] <angasule> Daisuke_Ido: that's what OS X looks like, right? pointlessly shiny?
[01:03] <Daisuke_Ido> angasule: there you go :D
[01:03] <Schuenemann> what would be the reason for connecting to internet, but web doesn't work?
[01:03] <Daisuke_Ido> however, i think i'll go back to the way i had it
[01:03] <Schuenemann> IRC does
[01:03] <angasule> Daisuke_Ido: I think the bottom bar is pointless, but you are free to waste your screen realstate heh
[01:03] <runlevelten> I haven't had the panel on the bottom of the screen for about 5 years, heh
[01:03] <angasule> Schuenemann: proxy mandated by the ISP?
[01:04] <Daisuke_Ido> angasule: what bottom bar?
[01:04] <runlevelten> Daisuke_Ido: The best way to run :)
[01:04] <Schuenemann> yes, maybe... how about that?
[01:04] <angasule> Daisuke_Ido: the one with the amarok and firefox icons?
[01:04] <Daisuke_Ido> kiba-dock
[01:04] <nosrednaekim> All my panels hide themselves anyway, I have two.
[01:04] <stepmanic> btw anyone got the wireless working on a HP ze2000 laptop? ppl say it should work "out of the box".. but.. it dont >< when i try to enable it it just say "turned on" in half a sec, and then it goes back to "turned off" ><
[01:04] <intelikey> Schuenemann something in  knetwork manager    some setting.     i have seen several ask that but haven't paid close attention
[01:04] <Daisuke_Ido> if it worked properly it wouldn't be wasting screen real-estate at all
[01:04] <Daisuke_Ido> so i turned it off
[01:04] <angasule> nosrednaekim: it annoys me how maximised windows pop around when the hiding and unhiding happens
[01:05] <vzduch> 'screen real estate'.. *rofl*
[01:05] <nosrednaekim> angasule: of the panel? it never does that for me..... the panel just covers the window
[01:05] <Daisuke_Ido> vzduch: essentially what it is though
[01:06] <Daisuke_Ido> space that could otherwise be used for app display is being used for a static panel
[01:06] <vzduch> Daisuke_Ido: how much do you pay for a square metre? ;)
[01:06] <Daisuke_Ido> so i declared eminent domain and stole it back :P
[01:06] <Daisuke_Ido> vzduch: it's a metaphor.
[01:06] <angasule> vzduch: well, if you don't think a 19" screen is more expensive than a 14"... ;)
[01:06] <runlevelten> Daisuke_Ido: One difference though, I find the taskbar is inefficient, so I decided to try using a window list applet a few years ago, haven't looked back.
[01:07] <Daisuke_Ido> i don't like the taskbar much -_-
[01:07] <angasule> runlevelten: how does it work?
[01:07] <Daisuke_Ido> window list, you say?
[01:07] <Daisuke_Ido> brb, gotta put laundry in the dryer
[01:07] <runlevelten> I have much more space free, and things are closer to the corners, which means it's all faster to use (fitt's law and all that)
[01:07] <nosrednaekim> Daisuke_Ido: yes, its an applet you can add to the panel
[01:07] <runlevelten> yeah
[01:08] <Daisuke_Ido> hmm
[01:08] <Daisuke_Ido> it looks nice
[01:08] <runlevelten> I also steeled myself and got on with the app menu at the top of the screen, as it's like 5 times faster in HCI studies than the menus in the windows....
[01:08] <runlevelten> ....but that may be a step too far yet, heh
[01:08] <Daisuke_Ido> runlevelten: one reason that's a bad idea
[01:09] <Daisuke_Ido> (for me anyway)
[01:09] <Daisuke_Ido> firefox.
[01:09] <harmattan> Hi everybody
[01:09] <runlevelten> I use firefox, it doesn't really niggle as much as you might think.
[01:09] <nosrednaekim> yeah, firefox doesn't comply or else I would use that
[01:09] <nosrednaekim> on a widescreen latpotp it does
[01:09] <runlevelten> and for the other apps, every menu becomes a button of infinite height
[01:10] <runlevelten> and I'm sure I don't need to bore you with UI design nerdery for you to know that's a good idea :)
[01:11] <nosrednaekim> firefox is what irks me with that.
[01:11] <nosrednaekim> otheriwe I admit its a good thing
[01:11] <Daisuke_Ido> i'm trying something incorporating a few different suggestions.  will have to screencap shortly
[01:12] <vzduch> Firefox was a nice, clean & fast browser back in the beta days.. could well be it's becoming bloated these days, I only use it at work, here I use Konq
[01:12] <runlevelten> It's slower than seamonkey now.
[01:13] <angasule> vzduch: I liked it when it was called phoenix, now it's a terrible hog
[01:13] <Schuenemann> firefox's UI is very slow in linux for me
[01:13] <runlevelten> Try any reasonably heavy site, say digg, between recent FF and recent seamonkey.
[01:13] <angasule> also the whole XUL thing sounds like a reimplementation or java heh
[01:13] <runlevelten> since it's supposed to be the lighter faster version of seamonkey, irony abounds, heh.
[01:13] <Schuenemann> don't say anything bad about java
[01:13] <angasule> dillo for teh win? ;)
[01:14] <nosrednaekim> lynx!
[01:14] <runlevelten> ...which doesn't work on digg, as it goes.
[01:14] <runlevelten> neither does lynx, afaict.
[01:14] <vzduch> I haven't touched Seamonkey yet
[01:15] <vzduch> last Mozilla build I used was 1.7.10 or so
[01:15] <angasule> I use konqueror here and dillo on my laptop
[01:15] <nosrednaekim> dillo is pretty amazing
[01:15] <runlevelten> konqueror is such an excellent browser.
[01:15] <Schuenemann> firefox and its extensions are the best
[01:15] <Schuenemann> konqueror is good as file browser only
[01:15] <angasule> yeah, the problem I have on my laptop is the rest of the apps are awful
[01:15] <vzduch> Konqueror has become a very good piece of software.. compared to the KDE 3.1 days at least ;)
[01:16] <angasule> I want to try using qtopia and do away with gtk and tcl/tk apps
[01:16] <Schuenemann> konqueror has nothing special as web browser
[01:16] <runlevelten> Schuenemann: If you're reading a lot, konqueror FTW - *NO* browser renders textual content like konqy.
[01:16] <Schuenemann> runlevelten, what's so good about it?
[01:16] <angasule> Schuenemann: it feels much lighter on kubuntu ;)
[01:17] <angasule> and doesn't look like a furry ewok behind
[01:17] <runlevelten> konqueror has a smaller, faster lighter html renderer than fff, opera or ie. It has a smaller memory footprint.
[01:17] <vzduch> Schuenemann: what 'special' thing does a web browser need?
[01:17] <Vuen> hey all, anyone know where Login Manager saves its settings?
[01:17] <runlevelten> It launches faster. It has better CSS support than most browsers.
[01:17] <Schuenemann> I don't think it has better CSS support
[01:17] <runlevelten> The code is the nicest of all the open source browsers too, if you're into reading through the source
[01:17] <Schuenemann> it doesn't support text-transform
[01:18] <angasule> Schuenemann: what's text-transform?
[01:18] <Schuenemann> angasule, that css property
[01:18] <intelikey> Vuen for kdm  /etc/kde*/kdm/kdm.conf       iirc   and for gdm  /etc/gdm/*
[01:18] <angasule> Schuenemann: what does it do?
[01:18] <angasule> Schuenemann: konqueror passes acid2, whatever that means
[01:18] <runlevelten> It puts fonts in their proper places with the proper spacing, and best of all, it renders antialised fonts properly in X
[01:19] <runlevelten> unlike, for instance, FF, which looks like an explosion in an 8-bit word processor factory at times :)
[01:19] <Schuenemann> vzduch, well, I have a lot of options with firefox's extensions... increasing line-height, changing that horrible combination of white backgroud and black text
[01:19] <Schuenemann> angasule, I read about that... but it doesn't support that property, for example
[01:19] <angasule> runlevelten: hahaha
[01:19] <Schuenemann> I think even IE supports it
[01:19] <runlevelten> Large amounts of textual content look _disgusting_ in FF compared to konqy.
[01:19] <Daisuke_Ido> hrmm
[01:19] <Vuen> intelikey: thanks
[01:20] <Daisuke_Ido> what kinds of kicker replacements exist?
[01:20] <runlevelten> Daisuke_Ido: why?
[01:20] <Daisuke_Ido> a couple reasons
[01:20] <Schuenemann> runlevelten, I edit CSS on the fly with Fx :-)
[01:20] <nosrednaekim> Daisuke_Ido: kicker? is that the panel?
[01:20] <Daisuke_Ido> one, i'd like to be able to use my entire desktop
[01:20] <vzduch> I'll go to bed.. good night folks :)
[01:20] <angasule> night vzduch
[01:20] <Daisuke_Ido> and two, true transparency
[01:20] <runlevelten> night vzduch
[01:20] <nosrednaekim> there's that enlightenment panel
[01:21] <nosrednaekim> forget what its called
[01:21] <runlevelten> Daisuke_Ido: ie, what for?
[01:21] <Daisuke_Ido> i'll have to show you
[01:22] <angasule> Schuenemann: I just tested it, it works
[01:22] <Schuenemann> angasule, what does?
[01:22] <angasule> Schuenemann: text-transform
[01:22] <Schuenemann> angasule, try input { text-transform: uppercase; }
[01:22] <Schuenemann> see if a text field becomes capitalized
[01:23] <angasule> Schuenemann: I tried this: http://www.w3schools.com/css/tryit.asp?filename=trycss_text-transform
[01:23] <angasule> Schuenemann: and it rendered as expected
[01:23] <angasule> Schuenemann: all three effects
[01:24] <Schuenemann> weird... I tried here a few days ago
[01:24] <angasule> Schuenemann: what version of kubuntu are you running?
[01:24] <nicolai_> Goodnight everyone
[01:24] <runlevelten> night nicola
[01:24] <Schuenemann> feisty
[01:24] <angasule> god natt, nicolai_
[01:24] <angasule> Schuenemann: that's weird, then
[01:24] <runlevelten> +i_, heh
[01:24] <angasule> Schuenemann: was your html standards compliant?
[01:25] <runlevelten> Schuenemann: don't get me wrong, I don't use konqy for heavy js-laden pages, and I use FF to support quirks, but konqy is an impressive browser.
[01:26] <runlevelten> It just isn't very popular, and hasn't got enough people working on it.
[01:26] <Schuenemann> angasule, yeah, why not? :p
[01:26] <Schuenemann> runlevelten, yeah...
[01:26] <Schuenemann> angasule, I just tested and it seems it doesn't work on input fields
[01:27] <Daisuke_Ido> here we go
[01:27] <Daisuke_Ido> http://img179.imageshack.us/img179/1300/snapshot8dl3.png
[01:27] <Schuenemann> on konqueror only
[01:27] <cloakable> runlevelten: Yeah. Like Apple's Safari. Powered by the KHTML backend to Konqueror :P
[01:27] <runlevelten> Not really a big fan of safari.
[01:27] <Daisuke_Ido> cloakable: no, powered by apple webkit.  BASED on khtml, but not the same thing
[01:27] <amaro> join ubuntu br
[01:28] <Daisuke_Ido> though they're unforking
[01:28] <runlevelten> ty Daisuke_Ido
[01:28] <Daisuke_Ido> runlevelten: the problem with that is i have screen space i can't use at the top AND bottom
[01:28] <Zambezi> Anyone know Kdiff3 and know how I can erase duplicates line comparing two documents?
[01:29] <Daisuke_Ido> i could use superkaramba to put a clock on the desktop and put the tray at the top to eliminate that bottom bar, but the top remains an issue
[01:29] <yashi79> c' nesssuno?
[01:30] <yashi79> ho un picolo problema con un pendrive
[01:30] <yashi79> mmm
[01:30] <yashi79> mi sa che il dubbio mi resta
[01:30] <Schuenemann> !it
[01:30] <ubotu> Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[01:30] <angasule> !it | yashi79
[01:30] <ubotu> yashi79: please see above
[01:30] <angasule> smart ubotu heh
[01:30] <Daisuke_Ido> runlevelten: so you see the issue i'm facing here
[01:31] <intelikey> did anyone see Zambezi   ^
[01:31] <runlevelten> Daisuke_Ido: you could create 4 small panels and put them in the corners, then select to allow other windows to cover the panel...
[01:32] <Daisuke_Ido> can't figure that out either
[01:32] <runlevelten> ah, but you still have icon black spots..
[01:32] <Daisuke_Ido> that's what i tried first
[01:32] <Daisuke_Ido> two top panels in the corners
[01:32] <[ifr0g] > intelikey, hi :)
[01:32] <Zambezi> intelikey, Doesn't seems so.
[01:33] <runlevelten> Is it the icon black spots that are unwanted then?
[01:33] <Schuenemann> !pastebin
[01:33] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[01:33] <intelikey> Zambezi sorry  i don't know kdiff     and hello [ifr0g] 
[01:33] <Daisuke_Ido> it wouldn't let me put the second panel inline with the first on the top
[01:34] <runlevelten> Were you using a menubar?
[01:34] <Schuenemann> angasule, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/31968/ Try this on that same page
[01:34] <Daisuke_Ido> no
[01:34] <Daisuke_Ido> just two standard panels
[01:34] <Zambezi> intelikey, I have two documents. 01 and 02 and it contains duplicates. I want to get rid of them. I tried sort, but I didn't manage to make it work.
[01:34] <[ifr0g] > Is there a nokia wap toolkit alternative ?
[01:35] <revish> can some one tell me how to run flash media on kubuntu
[01:35] <intelikey> Zambezi you want to totally remove the dups ?   or just remove the second occurance of each ?
[01:36] <[ifr0g] > revish, flash media ?
[01:36] <intelikey> !flash | revish
[01:36] <ubotu> revish: To install Flash see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/Flash - Flash 9 is now available in dapper-backports and edgy-backports - See also !Restricted and !Gnash
[01:36] <runlevelten> Hey, I also can't see all the panels in the configuration dialog.
[01:36] <[ifr0g] > :)
[01:36] <revish> yea like play vids
[01:36] <runlevelten> :S
[01:36] <Zambezi> intelikey, The seocond occurance I guess.
[01:36] <Daisuke_Ido> runlevelten: exactly.
[01:36] <Daisuke_Ido> that's not right.
[01:37] <runlevelten> Ah, they're there in kcontrol
[01:37] <[ifr0g] > revish, mplayer should play them. after you get the codecs.
[01:37] <[ifr0g] > !flv
[01:37] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about flv - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:37] <Daisuke_Ido> ooh
[01:37] <Daisuke_Ido> thanks :)
[01:37] <runlevelten> Which would make sense actually.
[01:37] <Schuenemann> I think mplayer doesn't need codecs for flv
[01:37] <intelikey> Zambezi one could do something like this,  may not be what you want though.    cat doc1 doc2 | sort -u > unique-doc
[01:38] <angasule> Schuenemann: that didn't work
[01:38] <Daisuke_Ido> even in kcontrol, it won't let me do two inline >:|
[01:38] <Schuenemann> angasule, try with firefox or opera, it will :-)
[01:38] <angasule> Schuenemann: can't, I haven't installed them
[01:39] <Schuenemann> well, then just trust me =)
[01:39] <revish> i'm not that computer literate what exaxtly should i be doing?
[01:39] <runlevelten> I have the top ones going down the sides.
[01:40] <runlevelten> not in line, if you see what I mean
[01:40] <Schuenemann> runlevelten, is that to me?
[01:40] <angasule> Schuenemann: should I? hmmmm :P
[01:41] <runlevelten> Schuenemann: No, Daisuke_Ido
[01:41] <intelikey> revish for installing flash support ?    you were gone long enough to have at least scimmed the page on that,  so i'll not send you back there,   what version of kubuntu do you have ?
[01:41] <Daisuke_Ido> ooh, that's an idea
[01:41] <Daisuke_Ido> still not a perfect solution, but quite nice
[01:41] <intelikey> !Gnash
[01:41] <ubotu> An open source flash replacement.  It is still beta software. For current status or for more info http://www.gnu.org/software/gnash/
[01:42] <runlevelten> If you mess with the width and height of them it works.
[01:42] <runlevelten> and no you're right, t'aint perfect. :(
[01:42] <revish> i'm not sure
[01:43] <intelikey> revish open a konsole  and type    lsb-release
[01:44] <intelikey> or in here you could do /exec lsb-release -a
[01:44] <Schuenemann> !picasa
[01:44] <ubotu> Picasa from Google can be downloaded in .deb format from: http://picasa.google.com/linux/download.html
[01:45] <intelikey> so what is picasa ?
[01:45] <Schuenemann> I dunno
[01:45] <Daisuke_Ido> sortasolution that works for me: i have one panel in the top left and one in the bottom right
[01:45] <Daisuke_Ido> bottom right hides, and contains the tray and clock
[01:46] <Daisuke_Ido> top left has k menu, quicklauncher, and window list
[01:46] <Schuenemann> please, how do I get rid of xubuntu?
[01:46] <revish> it's not finding anything
[01:46] <Dragnslcr> Schuenemann- tried putting the disc in a microwave?
[01:47] <Schuenemann> Dragnslcr, I installed xubuntu-desktop
[01:47] <intelikey> Schuenemann or cat /dev/zero > /dev/hda
[01:47] <Schuenemann> huh?
[01:47] <intelikey> revish ok.  uname -r
[01:48] <intelikey> revish we can tell by the kernel version what version of kubuntu you have
[01:48] <Schuenemann> intelikey, you told me I could install xubuntu and it would be easy to remove
[01:48] <revish> which do i have?
[01:48] <intelikey> Schuenemann tell that lie to some one else
[01:49] <intelikey> revish in the console type   uname -r     and show me the output
[01:49] <Schuenemann> intelikey, which one? that you said or that it's easy?
[01:49] <intelikey> :)
[01:50] <Daisuke_Ido> Schuenemann: sudo aptitude remove xubuntu-desktop
[01:50] <Daisuke_Ido> and i just tried to tab-complete xubuntu-desktop :\
[01:50] <intelikey> Schuenemann you want to remove linux?   delete it's partition
[01:50] <Schuenemann> intelikey, not linux, just xubuntu!
[01:50] <revish> what is the out put suppose to be?
[01:51] <intelikey> xubuntu is a linux distrobution
[01:51] <Schuenemann> Daisuke_Ido, will that remove everything, like its file manager, xarquive and everything?
[01:51] <Schuenemann> intelikey, I installed xubuntu-desktop
[01:51] <Daisuke_Ido> Schuenemann: in theory
[01:51] <Schuenemann> in theory? :-/
[01:52] <revish> all that shows is some numbers
[01:52] <trakinas> !print
[01:52] <ubotu> Printing in Ubuntu is done with cups. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Printers - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsPrinters - http://linuxprinting.org - Printer sharing: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NetworkPrintingFromWindows
[01:52] <Daisuke_Ido> revish: yeah. we need those numbers
[01:52] <intelikey> revish yes   show me
[01:52] <revish> how? do i type them?
[01:52] <Daisuke_Ido> runlevelten: http://img151.imageshack.us/img151/81/snapshot9ma3.png
[01:52] <trakinas> do I need to reboot my system after plugging a new usb printer?
[01:52] <Daisuke_Ido> revish: or copy and paste, it doesn't matter
[01:52] <Daisuke_Ido> trakinas: no
[01:53] <Daisuke_Ido> !reboot
[01:53] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about reboot - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:53] <intelikey> revish most people use a keyboard,   but you could use a mouse
[01:53] <Daisuke_Ido> there needs to be a reboot factoid
[01:53] <runlevelten> Heh, you've got to me mess up my desktop now, ya get.
[01:53] <Daisuke_Ido> runlevelten: better than before?
[01:53] <trakinas> Daisuke_Ido: it seens my hp isnt being detected...
[01:53] <Daisuke_Ido> in your opinion, at least
[01:53] <runlevelten> Daisuke_Ido: Nah, I'll put it back in a sec :)
[01:53] <revish> 2.6.15-26-386
[01:53] <aesebu55> Please someone! How do I make my clock read 12h instead of 24h, it is driving me nuts
[01:54] <Daisuke_Ido> ...dapper?
[01:54] <revish> is that it?
[01:54] <intelikey> revish ok i think that's edgy
[01:54] <Daisuke_Ido> intelikey: edgy is .17
[01:54] <intelikey> revish you'll need to enable the "back-ports" repos
[01:54] <intelikey> Daisuke_Ido either way same answer
[01:55] <Daisuke_Ido> aesebu55: right click the clock and go to "Date & Time Format"
[01:55] <Daisuke_Ido> intelikey: true
[01:55] <runlevelten> http://www.mediafire.com/?6s41ygma1cg
[01:55] <intelikey> !repos | revish here's how
[01:55] <ubotu> revish here's how: The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[01:55] <Daisuke_Ido> aesebu55: put this in time format: pH:MM:SS AMPM
[01:56] <BluesKaj> whew, almost totally aniahlated the X setup setup by trying to edit xmodmap ..that was close ...thx to sudo nano at the prompt I was able to edit out my mistakes and rescue X and Kubuntu
[01:56] <Apollodoros> hi everybody!
[01:57] <intelikey> revish after that the !flash factoid/infonode from the ubotu should tell you how to install the flash plugin that you need,   it's not hard and someone in here can help you if you need help.
[01:57] <aesebu55> Diasuke_Ido: should I restart or something?
[01:57] <Schuenemann> Daisuke_Ido, only 41 KB was removed!
[01:57] <Apollodoros> any idea how to set 100Hz regresh rate under nvidia drivers in Kubuntu?
[01:57] <Daisuke_Ido> Schuenemann: then that didn't work
[01:57] <revish> so do what this page say
[01:57] <Schuenemann> dammit
[01:57] <Daisuke_Ido> time to start manually removing packages
[01:57] <Daisuke_Ido> aesebu55: no need
[01:57] <Apollodoros> there is virtually no such settings!
[01:58] <Daisuke_Ido> just apply and ok
[01:58] <Schuenemann> I said I should've installed on a spare partition but the guy told me it would be easy to remove
[01:58] <intelikey> revish yes  enable back-ports
[01:58] <aesebu55> Diasuke_Ido: then it didn't work
[01:58] <runlevelten> did you do an autoremove?
[01:58] <Schuenemann> hmm no
[01:58] <Schuenemann> well, just did, and nothing was removed
[01:58] <runlevelten> Just a thought - I don't really know ubuntu's xfce packages
[01:59] <runlevelten> ah ok
[01:59] <aesebu55> Daisuke_Ido: then it didn't work (I had your nick spelled wrong)
[01:59] <intelikey> sudo apt-get remove xfce*
[01:59] <Schuenemann> Daisuke_Ido, how am I going to find all of them?
[01:59] <Schuenemann> do they all begin with xfce?
[01:59] <intelikey> sudo apt-get remove xfce*
[02:00] <intelikey> wild cards work.
[02:00] <Schuenemann> is there any chance that will remove something that it shouldn't?
[02:00] <mm_202> Hey guys, Im running KUbuntu 7.04 and all the sudden xine (amarok, gxine, etc) stopped working.  I try running Amarok and the window doesnt load yet the process still shows up.  Any ideas?
[02:01] <intelikey> not a chance it will do anything until you say so
[02:01] <Schuenemann> I already did
[02:01] <revish> what do i type in the part that says new repositories
[02:01] <intelikey> nothing
[02:01] <mm_202> also when I try running  'cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp' I get a 'Device or resource busy' error
[02:02] <mm_202> But KDE sounds seem to work fine, so does Flash sounds in Firefox..
[02:02] <intelikey> !sound
[02:02] <ubotu> If you're having problems with sound, first ensure ARTS is running, by going to K Menu -> System Settings -> Sound System and making sure "Enable the sound system" is checked. If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP3
[02:02] <intelikey> not that it will help...
[02:02] <intelikey> never know.
[02:03] <mm_202> lol, k, I'll try it..
[02:04] <aesebu55> so uhh, wassup with my clock?
[02:04] <intelikey> wrong time ?
[02:04] <Daisuke_Ido> aesebu55: if you changed what i told you to, it should work.
[02:04] <aesebu55> no, it is in 24h format
[02:05] <Daisuke_Ido> he's trying to get it to 12 hour format
[02:05] <intelikey> right click it and configure
[02:05] <aesebu55> I did, it is stil the same
[02:05] <aesebu55> I swear man, I changed it but it is still the same
[02:05] <Daisuke_Ido> you do have to log out
[02:05] <Daisuke_Ido> not reboot
[02:05] <Daisuke_Ido> just log out
[02:05] <aesebu55> ohh!!
[02:06] <aesebu55> brb
[02:06] <intelikey> aesebu55
[02:06] <Daisuke_Ido> (which it told you when you clicked ok)
[02:06] <intelikey> aesebu55 did you click apply or ok after you changed it.... ?
[02:06] <lontra> what is the size of the default kicker in kubuntu?  50?
[02:06] <phoenixz> Hi all, how do I configure the base directory for apache under ubuntu?? I cant seem to find it..
[02:06] <Biovore> 48 I think..
[02:07] <Daisuke_Ido> intelikey: it does require a logout
[02:07] <Daisuke_Ido> it pops up a huge window when you change it
[02:07] <Daisuke_Ido> time settings apply only to newly started applications
[02:08] <runlevelten> Schuenemann: it's just a package that pulls the deps in with it
[02:08] <intelikey> Daisuke_Ido but as you pointed out he should have seen that.  and gnome users will change settings and hit the upper-right [x]  and wonder why it didn't work
[02:08] <aesebu55> freakin sweet!!
[02:08] <Daisuke_Ido> and windows users just click through info dialogs without reading them :)
[02:08] <aesebu55> my clock rox!
[02:08] <Daisuke_Ido> heh
[02:09] <intelikey> that too
[02:09] <boris_> i need help
[02:09] <Daisuke_Ido> boris_: me too.
[02:09] <intelikey> shoot
[02:09] <aesebu55> thanks Dai and inteli
[02:09] <Daisuke_Ido> of course, mine's all mental, so this isn't the right place
[02:09] <Daisuke_Ido> no problem
[02:09] <aesebu55> btw, kubuntu is great!
[02:09] <boris_> doi have downlod mozilla thunderbird and i dont know to instal it
[02:10] <aesebu55> I have not used linux in years and I can't believe how far it has come.
[02:10] <boris_> it is great
[02:10] <mm_202> Anyone know where KDE stores the settings from System Settings -> Sound System?
[02:10] <intelikey> boris_ delete it and use the package manager to install what you want
[02:10] <boris_> ok
[02:10] <intelikey> !repos | boris_
[02:10] <ubotu> boris_: The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[02:10] <phoenixz> mm_202, by my knowledge, it should use alsa... /etc/asound.conf
[02:10] <Daisuke_Ido> !apt
[02:10] <ubotu> APT is the Advanced Package Tool, which together with dpkg forms the basic Ubuntu package management toolkit. Short apt-get manual: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AptGetHowto - Also see !Synaptic (Gnome) or !Adept (KDE)
[02:10] <aesebu55> so how do I get jack server?
[02:11] <aesebu55> I didn't see it in the list of packages
[02:11] <mm_202> phoenixz: I dont even have a /etc/asound.conf :S
[02:11] <intelikey> aesebu55 see ubotu above
[02:11] <aesebu55> gotcha, thanks
[02:11] <mm_202> it worked before, not sure why it just stopped working
[02:11] <phoenixz> mm_202, errr, that was on fedora :) I just moved to kubuntu and figured alsa would do the same.. not..
[02:12] <mm_202> I think it was when I checked that damn 'Enable networked sound' checkbox...
[02:12] <intelikey> prolly
[02:12] <mm_202> it popped up the restarting sound system dialog and it just got to a 100% and started over and over till I cancelled it.
[02:13] <utopianegra> www.utopianegra.com   (please opinion)
[02:14] <Daisuke_Ido> !spam
[02:14] <ubotu> Unsure how you should behave on this channel? See !AskTheBot, !CoC, !Guidelines, !Offtopic, !Language, !Attitude, !Repeat, !Enter, !Paste, !NickSpam - and most importantly, use common sense :-)
[02:14] <Schuenemann> not tableless, I rate 0 out of 10
[02:15] <Macr0ss> lol
[02:16] <Schuenemann> hehe
[02:16] <Macr0ss> I have a quick question about Xwin and kubuntu, its probly something dumb and easy to fix
[02:16] <BluesKaj> !start
[02:16] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about start - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:17] <Macr0ss> my lappy will boot the live cd just fine and runs the install, however on reboot it does not detect my screen res and I get what looks like a melting lcd
[02:17] <BluesKaj> !Init
[02:17] <ubotu> Boot options: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BootOptions - To add/remove startup services, you can use the package 'bum', or update-rc.d - To add your own startup scripts, use /etc/rc.local - See also !grub and !dualboot - Making a boot floppy: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto/BootFloppy - Also see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SmartBootManagerHowto
[02:18] <JuJuBee> I need a simple way to switch wireless networks (i move between 4 different networks).
[02:18] <JuJuBee> I hate resetting all the settings every time I change locations.
[02:18] <jhutchins> !fixres | Macr0ss
[02:18] <ubotu> Macr0ss: The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type  sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart  in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[02:18] <Macr0ss> that would be nice if I could get even a console
[02:19] <intelikey> Macr0ss use [alt] +[ctrl] +[f1]    login and issue   sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg      and set it up propperly
[02:19] <jhutchins> Macr0ss: Ctrl-alt-F[1-6] 
[02:19] <Macr0ss> tried that
[02:19] <Macr0ss> while booting I get the screens and linux is loading, but once X kicks in I lose it all
[02:19] <Schuenemann> !info ndiswrapper
[02:19] <ubotu> Package ndiswrapper does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas
[02:19] <jhutchins> Macr0ss: Tried which?
[02:19] <intelikey> Macr0ss then boot to init=/bin/bash and fix it
[02:19] <Schuenemann> !info ndiswrapper-utils
[02:19] <ubotu> Package ndiswrapper-utils does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas
[02:19] <Macr0ss> run that from grub?
[02:19] <iceman> ayuda porfa
[02:20] <BluesKaj> !Upstart
[02:20] <ubotu> Upstart is meant to replace the old Sys V Init system with an event-driven init model.  For more information please see: http://upstart.ubuntu.com/
[02:20] <jhutchins> intelikey: Is that the same as single user mode?
[02:20] <intelikey> jhutchins no.
[02:20] <Schuenemann> !es | iceman
[02:20] <ubotu> iceman: Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[02:20] <iceman> thank you
[02:22] <intelikey> Macr0ss use the live CD to reconfigure it    mount your install and   sudo chroot /that/mountpoint/ dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[02:22] <Macr0ss> Thank you very much...
[02:22] <Macr0ss> Im sure that will fix it I was just not sure how to go about it
[02:22] <intelikey> heck copy the live cd xorg.conf to the install...
[02:23] <Macr0ss> also an interesting idea
[02:23] <intelikey> more than one way to defer a felion
[02:23] <intelikey> more than one way to defur a felion
[02:23] <intelikey> ooops
[02:23] <Macr0ss> im almost afraid to install it again, last time I ran the live cd install it disregarded my windows mbr and messed up my whole day
[02:23] <Macr0ss> lol
[02:24] <BluesKaj> windows will do that :)
[02:24] <intelikey> Macr0ss yes most installers will overwrite the mbr   that's common amongst os's
[02:24] <Biovore> install windows on linux it does the same thing..
[02:24] <Biovore> linux can be configured to be windows friendly though..
[02:25] <intelikey> "install windows on linux" ???
[02:25] <Biovore> I know intelikey.. Why would someone want to do that!!! :-P
[02:25] <Schuenemann> !windows
[02:25] <ubotu> For help with Microsoft Windows, please visit ##windows or your nearest mental health institute. See http://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bug/1 http://linux.oneandoneis2.org/LNW.htm and !equivalents
[02:25] <intelikey> Biovore some bios' can be set to disallow changing the mbr too
[02:25] <Tomi-idle> lol@bo
[02:25] <Macr0ss> I had xp installed first, normally grub will add my windows partition automagically and work just fine. Never had an issue, the last insatall for some reason just pretended windows didn't exist.
[02:26] <Macr0ss> and then windows didn't think it existed
[02:26] <Biovore> you can install ubuntu in XP/Vista with out a cd as well :-P
[02:26] <revish> intelikey i tried what you said but i still don't get it..is there another way
[02:27] <BluesKaj> heh, ppl use windows on vmware in linux all the time ..dunno why , but they do. :)
[02:27] <Macr0ss> lol, I did for small tasks
[02:27] <Macr0ss> linux cannot do it all
[02:27] <Daisuke_Ido> BS
[02:27] <Daisuke_Ido> especially small tasks :)
[02:27] <intelikey> revish   probably.   you can copy the flashplayer.so to ~/.kde/share/apps/konqueror/   and to ~/.mozilla/something.../     and flash would work for that user ....
[02:28] <Daisuke_Ido> out of curiosity, what sorts of small tasks?
[02:28] <Biovore> well comerical support for linux lacks a bit..  I think comerical entities don't like linux because is like building a house on quicksand.. Close source is so ridgit it just crumbles..
[02:28] <Macr0ss> I prefer photoshop to gimp and the others
[02:28] <Macr0ss> however now I just dual boot
 linux cannot do it all <<<< you blaspheemer      what's wrong with you !     :)
[02:28] <Macr0ss> really I was just messing with vmware
[02:29] <Tomi-idle> gimp is propably gonna get a ui revamp + one window mode
[02:29] <Macr0ss> Im a gamer
[02:29] <Daisuke_Ido> Macr0ss: i'm so sorry for you
[02:29] <intelikey> oh well that explainst it
[02:29] <Daisuke_Ido> there are medicines for that now :)
[02:29] <Macr0ss> lol
[02:29] <trakinas> hey
[02:29] <trakinas> 2 questions:
[02:29] <Daisuke_Ido> 2 answers:
[02:29] <Daisuke_Ido> yes, and only on every other tuesday
[02:29] <trakinas> 1st - when i try to access my printer through its hp driver or through cupsd it gets stucked.
[02:30] <Macr0ss> he he
[02:30] <intelikey> can someone walk revish through enabling flash ?
[02:30] <trakinas> it does not connects to cups nor configure the printer.
[02:30] <trakinas> it can find correctly, although
[02:30] <trakinas> 2nd: i could not log in as user...
[02:30] <Daisuke_Ido> download it from adobe, extract it, chomd it executable, and run it :)
[02:30] <Biovore> trakinas: use the kde print manager to do printers..
[02:31] <Macr0ss> sounds about right Daisuke_Ido
[02:31] <intelikey> trakinas couldn't login where as $USER ?
[02:31] <trakinas> kde.
[02:31] <trakinas> Biovore: okay.
[02:32] <intelikey> trakinas bad password ?      can you login a console with that user account ?
[02:32] <trakinas> intelikey: no bad password.
[02:32] <intelikey> trakinas can you login a console with that user account ?
[02:32] <Biovore> trakinas: The cups web interface dosn't work on ubuntu
[02:32] <trakinas> bash: /dev/null: Permition Denied
[02:33] <trakinas> pressing control+c stops the msg error and log me into console
[02:33] <intelikey> trakinas ls -l /dev/null
[02:33] <trakinas> crw------- 1 root root 1, 3 2007-06-06 15:19 /dev/null
[02:33] <Biovore> well that would be a problem..
[02:33] <intelikey> figures.  sudo chmod 666 /dev/null
[02:34] <Biovore> crw-rw-rw- 1 root root 1, 3 2007-05-19 13:30 /dev/null
[02:34] <trakinas> Biovore: which is the kde server?
[02:34] <trakinas> thanks
[02:34] <trakinas> one less
[02:34] <Biovore> trakinas: k-button | system testting | select printers
[02:35] <Biovore> system settings
[02:35] <koyote> uh oh.
[02:35] <trakinas> Biovore: then? I was already there. =P
[02:35] <koyote> kubuntu no like bsd ffs
[02:36] <Biovore> bsd not linux :-P
[02:37] <trakinas> do I stop cups before?
[02:37] <Biovore> trakinas: nope.. just add a printer and follow the dialog..  What printer you have anyway?
[02:37] <trakinas> Biovore: hp-1510
[02:37] <Biovore> PSC?
[02:37] <trakinas> guess so
[02:38] <Biovore> print scaner copyier?
[02:38] <trakinas> yes
[02:38] <intelikey> insmod: /lib/modules/2.4.27-2-k6/kernel/drivers/cdrom/cm206.o: init_module: Input/output error
[02:38] <Biovore> trakinas: I have a simular modle here..
[02:38] <Daisuke_Ido> there's a great driver for that printer already there
[02:38] <intelikey> eeek tons of that kind of erros scrolling by
[02:38] <Daisuke_Ido> i use that exact model
[02:38] <Biovore> trakinas: Worked out of the box..
[02:38] <koyote> bsd isn't liunux? and fffs isn't ext3? *shocking*
[02:38] <trakinas> Biovore: nothing works out of the box with me. nothing! :P
[02:39] <revish> Daisuke_ldo, what does it mean to chomd it?
[02:39] <koyote> ppphhhht.
[02:39] <Daisuke_Ido> revish: chmod, that was a typo
[02:39] <trakinas> there in the config print dialog... which one i select in "Printing System" in the drop box?
[02:40] <Schuenemann> trakinas, doesn't HPLIP work?
[02:41] <intelikey> well i stopped the error messages by   mv /sbin /root/
[02:41] <trakinas> Schuenemann: it freezes. let me try again anyway
[02:41] <intelikey> oh no i just changed the message
[02:41] <Schuenemann> HPLIP worked for my HP, it's PSC too
[02:42] <intelikey> kmod: failed to exec /sbin/modprobe -s -k char-major-195, errno = 2
[02:42] <intelikey> kmod: failed to exec /sbin/modprobe -s -k char-major-195, errno = 2
[02:42] <trakinas> it shows the printer when selecting the device
[02:42] <Biovore> trakinas: the part where it pulls up there list of drivers takes some time.. depends on the speed of your machine.. a PIII 600 takes forever..
[02:42] <trakinas> sempron 1300 here
[02:43] <Biovore> trakinas: you getting to the add new printer wizard atleast?
[02:43] <trakinas> oh! found now!
[02:43] <trakinas> yep
[02:44] <trakinas> installing the ppd now...
[02:45] <trakinas> YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEES!
[02:45] <trakinas> i definitely love hp printers!!
[02:45] <trakinas> w0rd!
[02:46] <Schuenemann> openoffice
[02:46] <trakinas> now, i just cant understand why it was freezen before.
[02:46] <trakinas> Schuenemann: i beg your pardon?
[02:46] <Schuenemann> you do?
[02:46] <wolferine> hehe
[02:47] <trakinas> Schuenemann: you just said openoffice at random
[02:47] <trakinas> i guess....
[02:48] <Schuenemann> you did the same with word
[02:48] <dmuser> Hey everyone
[02:48] <nosrednaekim> hello
[02:48] <wolferine> hi dmuser
[02:49] <trakinas> Schuenemann: ahhhhhhhhhhhhhh! now i got the joke
[02:49] <trakinas> hehe
[02:49] <dmuser> I have a question -- I think I borked terminal, or something that opens programs...what do I do?
[02:49] <nosrednaekim> dmuser: say again?
[02:49] <Macr0ss> lol
[02:49] <Schuenemann> :)
[02:49] <trakinas> it was just a polite way to say "no bullocks" to my previous statament about hp printers
[02:49] <dmuser> When I open terminal, it shows a white box, and then crashes.  This is inside X
[02:50] <nosrednaekim> so only terminal doesn't work?does anything else launch?
[02:50] <Macr0ss> soo many borked jokes, soo little bandwidth
[02:50] <kumamoto> whats ywith the libxine-extracodecs in edgy anyway
[02:50] <wolferine> lol @ Macr0ss
[02:50] <cloakable> kumamoto: to add mp3 support, etc
[02:50] <nosrednaekim> kumamoto: ummm, do you have a problem with it?
[02:50] <dmuser> Konversation; Kopete; work.  Calculator doesn't work, haven't tried much else.
[02:50] <kumamoto> mine seem to be broken
[02:51] <nosrednaekim> dmuser: just a white box..... hmm... did you uninstall bash?
[02:51] <dmuser> Not to my knowledge.
[02:51] <Biovore> kumamoto: broken?
[02:51] <kumamoto> I supposedly need libxine-main1 which isn't installable
[02:51] <JuJuBee> Is there a way to put my display settings back to default?  I tried to install the ATI drivers so I can use dual screens (Mirror) on my laptop.
[02:51] <dmuser> I can still ctrl-alt-F1/F6 to terminal.
[02:51] <nosrednaekim> dmuser: you say terminal doesn't work... did you try Konsole?
[02:51] <JuJuBee> It did not work.
[02:51] <nosrednaekim> dmuser: ah, ok
[02:51] <Biovore> kumamoto: do you have multiverse and universe enabled?
[02:51] <dmuser> Konsole works.
[02:52] <kumamoto> Biovore: yaeh
[02:52] <kumamoto> yeah
[02:52] <nosrednaekim> JuJuBee: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xorg-server.... I think.
[02:52] <JuJuBee> Thanks.  I'll try
[02:52] <Biovore> kumamoto: hmm works here..  libxine-main1
[02:53] <Biovore> ver 1.1.2+repacked1-0ubuntu3.4
[02:53] <Biovore> libxine1 installed?
[02:53] <dmuser> ...although when I try to launch programs from Konsole, or terminal for that matter I get an error message.  "X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 169;  Major opcode: 147; Minor opcode:  3; Resource id:  0x0; Failed to open device"
[02:53] <nosrednaekim> dmuser: thats fine
[02:53] <dmuser> The Konsole dies.
[02:54] <nosrednaekim> the konsole dies?
[02:54] <Biovore> ^ thats normal..  thats a xorg bug..
[02:54] <nosrednaekim> thats NOT ok.
[02:54] <Daisuke_Ido> it's not a bug
[02:54] <dmuser> It doesn't actually launch the program.  Although I think it used to.
[02:54] <Daisuke_Ido> it's an intended behavior.  that's looking for wacom devices, and it puts out harmless errors if it doesn't find one
[02:54] <Biovore> dmuser: alt-f2 and run xterm
[02:55] <nosrednaekim> dmuser: thats odd... does "alt+f2" work?
[02:55] <dmuser> Yes
[02:55] <nosrednaekim> and you can run stuff from there?
[02:55] <dmuser> To both.  Alt-F2; and then running xterm both function
[02:55] <nosrednaekim> ok
[02:55] <dmuser> Well it gets farther.  I try to run gedit and it crashes immediately.
[02:55] <Biovore> then type konsole in the xterm
[02:56] <Biovore> when it crashes.. what error do you get?
[02:57] <dmuser> Biovore:  "Window with title "Unsaved Document 1 - gedit" is not responding. This window belongs to application gedit (PID=21292, hostname=localhost)."
[02:58] <Biovore> dmuser: you got that when running konsole?
[02:58] <dmuser> When running gedit.
[02:58] <spartako> hi
[02:58] <dmuser> Konsole seems to run fine/
[02:58] <nosrednaekim> hello spartako
[02:58] <Biovore> oh.. so it might just be gtk problem..
[02:58] <nosrednaekim> yeah. try running kate like that
[02:58] <spartako> hello nosrednaekim, where do you from my friend?
[02:59] <Biovore> so gedit,gimp,firefox probably arn't working then..
[02:59] <luca> hi everyone
[02:59] <nosrednaekim> spartako: what?
[02:59] <dmuser> Firefox functions
[02:59] <luca> I have a problem with compiz-fusion
[02:59] <spartako> hi luca
[02:59] <dmuser> Kate runs.
[02:59] <holzmodem> hi, every time i load a webpage with integrated flash with konqueror, the cpu load goes to 100% and konqueror hangs. it is the nspluginviewer. how can i solve it?
[02:59] <spartako> I'm from Spain you?
[02:59] <nosrednaekim> spartako: oh.... USA
[02:59] <luca> it does run, but I cannot grab windows
[02:59] <Biovore> dmuser: what about gimp?
[02:59] <dmuser> Gimp runs
[02:59] <Biovore> hmm
[02:59] <nosrednaekim> luca: ttile bar is missing?
[03:00] <luca> nope it's there, but I cannot grab it (and therefore I cannot move the window)
[03:00] <luca> no window decorator functions
[03:00] <luca> beryl instead functions finely
[03:00] <nosrednaekim> odd..... umm, compiz fusion is beta, so etchincally you should ask over at #compiz
[03:00] <luca> (I have tried with Emerald for both and kwd/gwd)
[03:00] <luca> eh nobody's answering :)
[03:01] <Dragnslcr> You can try #ubuntu-effects as well
[03:01] <dmuser> Biovore:  Amarok crashes on launch as well
[03:01] <spartako> luca, I'm sorry but I'm new on linux :-(
[03:02] <luca> thanks Dragnslcr
[03:02] <luca> np spartako :D
[03:02] <Biovore> dmuser: does it crash when you run it from konsole?
[03:02] <dmuser> Are there libraries or drivers associated with all of the programs that are failing to run?  It seems hit or miss to me.
[03:03] <dmuser> Biovore:  It works, then seems to freeze, then crashes.
[03:03] <Biovore> dmuser: ldd /usr/bin/amarok
[03:03] <Biovore> do you see any "not found" lines..
[03:04] <dmuser> I don't see any offhand
[03:04] <dmuser> No.  None
[03:04] <Biovore> well then all the libs required are there..
[03:05] <nosrednaekim> dmuser: ummm can you open a package manager? maybe you should run an update on your system.
[03:08] <dmuser> Biovore:  I can open package managers.  How do I do an update?
[03:12] <Biovore> dmuser: I use a shell/console for doing updates..   at a bash prompt type: "sudo apt-get update"  then "sudo apt-get upgrade"
[03:12] <yotux> I need to create a mailbox that all system users can have access to any ideas?
[03:14] <Biovore> yotux: hmm you might beable to setup a mailbox that if mail get sent to it.. the message gets forward to a list of mail accounts..
[03:14] <dmuser> Ok.  I was able to update, and at the end of the update it tells me "W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems"
[03:15] <Biovore> thats the second thing I said to do :-P
[03:15] <yotux> Biovore:  I an not a server person, was thinking of install an imap mail server
[03:16] <ubuntu__> what pakage do i have to download to gain the "./configure" konsole function?
[03:16] <Biovore> yotux: I google on a postfix/imap setup with tls
[03:16] <Biovore> ubuntu__: ./configure is a script for configuring a source.. it should be in the source.. unless you got a cvs check out.. then you probably need to run automake and friends..
[03:17] <yotux> have you ever done a setup like that?  wondering how hard it is going to be
[03:17] <ubuntu__> thanks
[03:17] <Biovore> yotux: I have..  It can get complex to do it right..
[03:17] <yotux> ok
[03:18] <Biovore> many choices of services and smtp deamons to select from and how to handle authenticaion can get confusing quick..
[03:20] <ubuntu__> is there a utility that regularly generates the ./configure script?
[03:22] <ubuntu__> i tried to compile a begining sdl project, and it cudlnt find i guess, its own, ,./configure script
[03:24] <ubuntu__> are there any better linux 3d graphics forums i could go ask these questions in instead?
[03:24] <Schuenemann> !nvidia
[03:24] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[03:24] <ubuntu__> i dont want to program just for nvidia cards, im confused
[03:25] <Biovore> ubuntu__: what you got.. just a c/c++ file?
[03:25] <Schuenemann> sorry, I needed the link for myself :-)
[03:25] <ubuntu__> i havent had much luck so far with compilng anythign original at all with linux so far
[03:26] <ubuntu__> i need help with the commands to incorporate c++ and c header lo9cationd and library locations
[03:26] <Biovore> ubuntu__: ussualy we make makefiles for simple project..
[03:26] <Biovore> you got a file called "Makefile"
[03:27] <ubuntu__> id be again starting from scratch, and id have to start with who knows kind of 3d apis
[03:27] <ubuntu__> i have no solid idea
[03:27] <Biovore> ubuntu__: if its a single file kinda thing they might just assume you know how to use gcc
[03:27] <BluesKaj> ubuntu__, have you installed build-essential ?
[03:27] <ubuntu__> whats build-essential?
[03:27] <Biovore> ubuntu__: gcc filename.c -o binary_name -lsdl  <-- simple example of a sdl app
[03:28] <Biovore> ubuntu__: build-essential is the compiler and tools
[03:28] <Biovore> ubuntu__: http://lazyfoo.net/SDL_tutorials/index.php <-- sdl program example and configurations for kdevelop
[03:29] <Biovore> there good tutorials on sdl
[03:29] <ubuntu__> ok ill take a start there, thanks everyone!
[03:34] <Daisuke_Ido> gba games should not be unplayable in vba
[03:34] <Daisuke_Ido> either i turn frameskipping off and it runs slow, or i turn it on and it's all choppy :\
[03:36] <flaccid> when upgrading from feisty to gutsy, do a apt-get upgrade then a apt-get dist-upgrade?
[03:36] <trakinas> KPDF cant see my printer. =(
[03:37] <Daisuke_Ido> flaccid: are you sure you want to do that?
[03:38] <flaccid> Daisuke_Ido: yes
[03:38] <intelikey> flaccid short answer no   apt-get update ;apt-get dist-upgrade
[03:39] <flaccid> ok
[03:39] <WhtWolfTeraDyne> Daisuke_Ido: That's why I actually buy my games. Like the 10 I bought this week. >_>;
[03:39] <flaccid> basically keyboard doesn't work in kde
[03:39] <flaccid> just starting doing it today
[03:40] <flaccid> so i will do this to try to fix it
[03:40] <Daisuke_Ido> and you think going to a version of the OS in *alpha* will fix that.
[03:40] <trakinas> anyone?
[03:41] <intelikey> trakinas is it set as the "default" printer ?
[03:41] <brad> so I was in here working on my wireless earlier in the day and got it working, but after a power cycle it no longer works
[03:41] <trakinas> sure
[03:41] <brad> and if I go to ndiswrapper -l it shows me the driver as being installed
[03:41] <flaccid> Daisuke_Ido: its a possibility considering the problem is kde3 and gutsy gibbon uses kde4
[03:41] <brad> earlier I just suddenly noticed it was working in the middle of having various problems
[03:41] <brad> and I thought gutsy didnt use KDE4
[03:41] <brad> because it would just be coming out
[03:42] <brad> they wouldnt have time to test KDE4 before releasing gutsy
[03:42] <flaccid> right i got told wrong then i guess
[03:42] <WhtWolfTeraDyne> KDE4 won't be default untill after Gutsy+1
[03:42] <flaccid> what version of kde does it use
[03:42] <brad> KDE 3.5 I believe
[03:43] <flaccid> 3.5.7 ?
[03:43] <trakinas> kprinter can see it
[03:43] <WhtWolfTeraDyne> 3.5.7, IIRC
[03:43] <flaccid> fair enough
[03:43] <brad> anyway can anyone help me with this wireless problem, it should be easy being as ndiswrapper -l shows the right driver as being installed
[03:43] <intelikey> the official word as i hear it is   kde 3. will be default and kde 4. will be in the repos
[03:43] <flaccid> i would fix the keyboard problem if i knew how. there are no error messages
[03:43] <brad> in /etc/network/interfaces wlan0 is on the list...
[03:43] <brad> I dont know what else to check because it seems to be installed it is maybe not initializing?
[03:44] <jbasilio> did you try using network manager to configure it?  i had to comment out my wlan (eth1) entries in my /etc/network/interfaces
[03:45] <jbasilio> once i commented it out, network manager worked.  before that, the kde config stuff didn't work for me
[03:46] <nosrednaekim> brad: what does iwconfig say?
[03:46] <brad> lemme see (I dont know many commands off the top of my head)
[03:46] <brad> network manager only shows eth0
[03:47] <brad> iwconfig says no wireless extensions
[03:47] <nosrednaekim> brad: what wireless chipset do you have?
[03:47] <brad> but in etc/network/interfaces should I change wlan0 to eth1?
[03:47] <flaccid> i think ubuntu sux how it needs networkmanager
[03:47] <nosrednaekim> and how did you get it working before? ndiswrapper?
[03:47] <WhtWolfTeraDyne> brad: did you make sure ndiswrapper was loaded?
[03:47] <flaccid> if you remove it, networking doesn't work correctly
[03:48] <brad> Marvell..., and what ndiswrapper -l says is mrv8knt
[03:48] <brad> earlier I was trying to make it work, and went to network manager and it was just working
[03:48] <brad> suddenly
[03:48] <brad> I was really surprised, a list of wireless networks was just there
[03:48] <brad> how do I load ndiswrapper?
[03:48] <nosrednaekim> brad: ah.... run this command "lsmod | grep ndiswrapper"
[03:48] <WhtWolfTeraDyne> flaccid: You can always configure it manually via the cli commands.
[03:48] <jbasilio> if a list of networks was there, think that means it's working.  you just need to configure your ssid at that point
[03:49] <brad> thats what I'm wondering, is if the necessary device just isnt running
[03:49] <nosrednaekim> and see if it returns anything
[03:49] <brad> I mean I HAVE ndiswrapper, but I dont know if it initalizes on startup
[03:49] <trakinas> anyone? kpdf still does not see the printer
[03:49] <nosrednaekim> brad: run that command and we will see
[03:49] <WhtWolfTeraDyne> brad: "sudo modprobe ndiswrapper" to load it right now.
[03:49] <jbasilio> trakinas: other apps see the printer but not kpdf?
[03:49] <brad> ok firstly, modprobe hasnt been working, been trying that forever
[03:49] <flaccid> WhtWolfTeraDyne: that won't work if you remove networkmanager, at least not on boot. i've tested it. shits me to tears. i don't even see why ubuntu needs networkmanager
[03:49] <brad> and lsmod | grep just goes to the next command line
[03:49] <trakinas> jbasilio: exactly
[03:50] <WhtWolfTeraDyne> brad: You can add it to the end of your "/etc/modules" to have it load on boot.
[03:50] <brad> both of them I hit enter and it just goes to brad@brad-desktop
[03:50] <nosrednaekim> brad: ok, run WhtWolfTeraDyne's command
[03:50] <jbasilio> trakinas: did you run kprinter and confirm it's there?  they all use kprinter IIRC so that is odd
[03:50] <IAmWill_> how do i install wine on kubuntu?  it isnt in the package manager listing
[03:50] <brad> module ndiswrapper notfound
[03:50] <nosrednaekim> and then run "sudo ndiswrapper -m" to start it every time.
[03:50] <IAmWill_> do i need to add another repo?
[03:50] <brad> which is what it was doing before...before it was working despite the fact that ndiswrapper -v showed something wrong
[03:50] <trakinas> yes it is there
[03:50] <trakinas> PSC_1500
[03:50] <brad> I have ran ndiswrapper -m like 8 times
[03:50] <nosrednaekim> brad: hmmm...
[03:51] <nosrednaekim> brad: ok.
[03:51] <intelikey> !repos | IAmWill_
[03:51] <ubotu> IAmWill_: The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[03:51] <brad> module contains alias directive
[03:51] <brad> module already contains alias directive I mean
[03:51] <jbasilio> IAmWill_: http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu:Feisty#How_to_Install_and_Run_Wine
[03:51] <nosrednaekim> brad: do you have ndiswrapper installed?
[03:52] <brad> yes
[03:52] <brad> but when I do ndiswrapper -v it does something weird
[03:52] <brad> and has the whole time
[03:52] <titanix88> hi al
[03:52] <titanix88> hi al
[03:52] <brad> it always wants to say utils 1.9 arent installed when they are
[03:52] <brad> but the thing is it was working before, while ndiswrapper -v was still showing an error
[03:52] <WhtWolfTeraDyne> Ah, That explains it.
[03:53] <brad> and ndiswrapper is on the bottom of /etc/modules (already was)
[03:53] <jbasilio> brad: my ndiswrapper -v shows error: no version specified!  but it still works fine
[03:53] <brad> ok well mine does also
[03:53] <intelikey> jbasilio did you even look at that page you posted ?
[03:53] <brad> this is the ubuntuforums post btw http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=511314
[03:53] <jbasilio> intelikey: i looked it up and cut-pasted it .. why?
[03:54] <brad> but it says the driver is installed and the device is present on ndiswrapper -l
[03:54] <WhtWolfTeraDyne> brad: "sudo apt-get install ndiswrapper-utils-1.9" It's a needed package. It might not be installed.
[03:54] <brad> I have it already
[03:54] <intelikey> cause it's ubuntu specific  and first raddle out of the box has a link to the "kubuntu" speciffic page    so wouldn't it be better to post the kubuntu page for people ?
[03:54] <brad> installed, uninstalled, reinstalled
[03:54] <brad> over and over again
[03:55] <intelikey> @ jbasilio
[03:55] <brad> the thing is this worked earlier today
[03:55] <WhtWolfTeraDyne> brad: ... I'm not sure then. I've never heard of that sort of problem...
[03:55] <brad> do I need to do something related to ndiswrapper -a?
[03:57] <brad> remember modprobe ndiswrapper says module not found
[03:57] <nosrednaekim> that means it doesn't see the kernel module
[03:57] <trakinas> oh dear! =(
[03:57] <trakinas> nothing yet. kprinter and kpdf are making me insane.
[03:57] <stoned> trakinas: are you an old lady
[03:58] <stoned> cuz they always say , oh dear
[03:58] <stoned> :D
[03:58] <trakinas> stoned: nops.
[03:58] <brad> but etc/modules has ndiswrapper on the list
[03:58] <jbasilio> brad: i don't know a ton about ndiswrapper ... but lsmod | grep ndis doesn't show anything for me
[03:58] <trakinas> i also cant find the printer unless i use CUPS.
[03:58] <nosrednaekim> jbasilio: you probably don't use it
[03:58] <nosrednaekim> brad: that doesn't mean anything.
[03:58] <jbasilio> nosrednaekim: i configured it to be used ... hmm.  i dunno .. wireless was like voodoo to get it to work
[03:58] <brad> so what do I do to make my kernal read it?
[03:59] <nosrednaekim> brad: just a second...
[03:59] <cje> hi, I am trying to watch YouTube.  But Kubuntu doesn't come with non-Free packages, and I haven't been able to successfully install Flash.  Suggestions?
[04:00] <jbasilio> cje: did you configure non-free repositories?
[04:00] <brad> cje: are you on 64 bit?
[04:00] <cje> jbasilio, I thought that I configured the non-free repositories, yes.
[04:00] <trakinas> anyone?
[04:00] <cje> brad, yes, this is a 64 bit machine, but with 32 bit Edgy
[04:01] <intelikey> cje brad nailed it.   no 64 bit flash
[04:01] <jbasilio> with 32-bit edgy it's not 64 bit flash
[04:01] <nosrednaekim> 32 bit edgy.....
[04:01] <intelikey> oh 32 bit system.   ok
[04:01] <stoned> i have a 128 bit system
[04:01] <jbasilio> that's impressive. seriously.  i'm really impressed
[04:02] <cje> btw, I also installed gnash, and no joy.
[04:03] <LeeJunFan> stoned: dual dual-core 32 bit's doesn't make a 128bit :p
[04:04] <trakinas> worked! phew!!
[04:04] <nosrednaekim> brad: no... clue....
[04:04] <cje> I also just downloaded klash and still no joy.
[04:04] <stoned> dude
[04:04] <brad> nosrednaekim: just wish I could figure out why it worked earlier today...maybe I should start all over?
[04:04] <stoned> i have a 256bit system
[04:04] <stoned> you're hung up on 64 bits
[04:04] <nosrednaekim> reinstall? no...
[04:04] <stoned> c'mon get with the times
[04:04] <brad> I mean the drivers etc
[04:04] <stoned> soon they will come out with 512 bit cpus
[04:04] <LeeJunFan> Actually I'm on an 8 bit vic20.
[04:04] <brad> go through the whole set of instructions I have
[04:05] <brad> this is the thread on ubuntu forums btw http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=511314
[04:05] <jbasilio> stoned: and a better idiot
[04:05] <stoned> ok im just bored and talking nonsense
[04:05] <stoned> ignore me
[04:05] <nosrednaekim> brad: yeah., I read them
[04:05] <intelikey> cje i don't use/do flash  but i did install it just to see how hard it could be,  you must be missing something,  you get the package unpack it and copy the libflashplayer.so to like  ./.mozilla/plugins/libflashplayer.so   or what ever you want to use it...    maybe there's something i missed
[04:06] <nosrednaekim> brad: did you compile ndiswrapper?
[04:06] <brad> yes
[04:06] <brad> I believe so
[04:06] <jbasilio> isn't there a package for it?  i thought i installed it .. i had to do the 64 bit trick on my laptop, trying to figure out package on my 32bit desktop though
[04:06] <brad> I mean if it worked earlier in the day that means it must have been compiled right? I assume I did something to make it work but didnt succesfully make it do that everytime it boots?
[04:06] <jbasilio> flashplugin-nonfree is package name for 32-bit
[04:07] <nosrednaekim> brad: ah... but did you upgrade your kernel?
[04:07] <nosrednaekim> that would kill it.
[04:07] <Daisuke_Ido> time to attempt a recompile
[04:07] <brad> ummmm.....I'm not sure
[04:07] <stoned> in this age of confusion and uncertainty
[04:07] <brad> I dont believe so
[04:07] <Daisuke_Ido> since the version of visualboy advance in the repos is woefully unoptimized
[04:07] <stoned> no one is sure
[04:08] <intelikey> stoned are you sure ?
[04:08] <nosrednaekim> brad: lets try something then, go to where you put the source package and do "make" and then "sudo make install" again.
[04:08] <intelikey> i think some people are,   maybe
[04:08] <stoned> if I'm sure, then it negates what I said earlier
[04:08] <brad> kk
[04:08] <stoned> if I'm unsure, then what I said doesn't hold true
[04:08] <stoned> so its crazy both ways
[04:09] <cje> intelikey, I did download libflashplayer and my terminal output tells me that I successfully installed it, but no joy.  I am actually going to reboot, I also just now removed an xpti.dat file as instructed by the terminal.
[04:09] <Minataku> Hm
[04:09] <nosrednaekim> hey Minataku
[04:09] <stoned> thats deep huh
[04:09] <Minataku> !seen dr_willis
[04:09] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about seen dr_willis - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:09] <Minataku> Heya, nosrednaekim
[04:09] <stoned> yeh im really smart
[04:09] <Minataku> Oh, shut up ubotu
[04:09] <stoned> so I'm pretty much amazing
[04:09] <jbasilio> cje: did you try sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree?
[04:09] <nosrednaekim> Minataku: hows the compile farm going?
[04:09] <Minataku> nosrednaekim: Haha
[04:09] <nosrednaekim> churning out gentoo?
[04:09] <nosrednaekim> :)
[04:09] <cje> jbasilio, no, I did not try that yet.
[04:10] <Minataku> Nah, just sitting around and looking pretty
[04:10] <jbasilio> cje: that should be all you need.
[04:10] <Minataku> Though I finally managed to leech a copy of IRIX
[04:10] <Minataku> Which I'm in the process of now
[04:10] <nosrednaekim> do tell...
[04:10] <Minataku> IRIX 6.5.10
[04:10] <stoned> gentoo
[04:10] <nosrednaekim> that should be interesting
[04:10] <stoned> i like the filemanager
[04:10] <Minataku> I'll finally have an OS for my prototype SGI POWER Indigo2
[04:10] <intelikey> apt-get install gentoo
[04:11] <Minataku> With it's 75MHz R8000 processor
[04:11] <brad> kk remaking ndiswrapper
[04:11] <nosrednaekim> wow.. that'll run IRIX? it must be OLD
[04:11] <nosrednaekim> brad: ok.
[04:12] <Minataku> nosrednaekim: It is old.
[04:12] <Minataku> Rare, too
[04:12] <nosrednaekim> yeah.
[04:12] <brad> ok so that all reinstalled fine, should I just go through the steps I had before again?
[04:12] <Minataku> Plus, mine's a prototype. So it's even RARER. :D
[04:12] <cje> jbasilio, I ran that apt-get and here is the error message I got:  flashplugin-nonfree is already the newest version
[04:12] <mcantor> I'm trying to download a torrent in KTorrent, and it says that it's either corrupt or not a torrent file.  What gives?
[04:12] <cje> I am going to reboot.  Let's see if that works.
[04:13] <intelikey> ok but it wont
[04:13] <nosrednaekim> brad: go to where your driver is and run " sudo ndiswrapper -i <filename>"
[04:13] <nosrednaekim> and then "modprobe ndiswrapper"
[04:13] <brad> kk
[04:13] <brad> done this so many times ;)
[04:13] <Minataku> mcantor: Perhaps it's corrupt. Or not a torrent file. :P
[04:13] <jbasilio> intelikey: he may have not d/led it ... IIRC the package asks you to d/l it to /tmp
[04:13] <BluesKaj> mcantor, could be true
[04:13] <brad> this is what I meant when I said reinstall
[04:13] <nosrednaekim> ah.. ok
[04:14] <nosrednaekim> did you try compiling multiple times before?
[04:14] <cleit0n> hi, i download kde4.. how i instart it?
[04:14] <mcantor> Minataku: BluesKaj: But the torrent site says that multiple people are leeching & seeding from that very torretn!
[04:14] <brad> once again, I do that and it says driver already installed
[04:15] <nosrednaekim> brad: ok, thats fine
[04:15] <nosrednaekim> how about modprobe?
[04:15] <brad> doing it now
[04:15] <BluesKaj> mcantor, they are prollu using a different client that doesn't spot potenmtially corrupt files
[04:15] <jbasilio> cleit0n: you d/led what?  a .tar file?  they have the alpha in the repositories ...
[04:15] <brad> it once gain just goes to the next command line
[04:15] <nosrednaekim> cleit0n: there are instructions on the main kubuntu page
[04:15] <brad> doesnt tell me anything
[04:15] <nosrednaekim> brad: good!
[04:15] <nosrednaekim> now try iwconfig
[04:15] <cleit0n> jbasilio: alpha
[04:15] <mcantor> BluesKaj: But I don't care if it's corrupt!  I just want my music.  :(
[04:15] <spartako> does anyone know ADA?
[04:16] <brad> woah, working!
[04:16] <Minataku> American Dental Association
[04:16] <Minataku> :D
[04:16] <brad> now how do I make it work after the next reboot
[04:16] <BluesKaj> ok then mcantor , go for it !
[04:16] <nosrednaekim> brad: yeah.you miust have updated your kernel
[04:16] <cleit0n> nosrednaekim: i'm brasilian, and there no have one instructions easy
[04:16] <Minataku> !br
[04:16] <nosrednaekim> or booted a differnt one
[04:16] <jbasilio> brad: don't reboot.  ;)
[04:16] <ubotu> Por favor use #ubuntu-br ou #ubuntu-pt  para ajuda em portugus. Obrigado.
[04:16] <brad> do I need to change something so it does this at boot?
[04:16] <cje> jbasilio, still no joy on that flash problem.
[04:16] <nosrednaekim> brad: no.
[04:16] <nosrednaekim> it should work on reboot.
[04:16] <brad> I remember like 5 years ago when my brother was always harping linux to me (I just started using it) he claimed you never had to reboot, and that hasnt been my experience
[04:17] <mcantor> Now it's just straight-up crashing.
[04:17] <brad> kk lets try this
[04:17] <intelikey> wouldn't an ls /boot/vm*  have been a simple way to see it the kernel was updated ?
[04:17] <jbasilio> cje: hen you installed the package .. it tells you to go to the flash site and d/l the plugin and place it in a location.  then continue the isntall.  did you do that?
[04:17] <brad> so if my kernal ever upgrades I have to do this again ;)
[04:17] <nosrednaekim> for kernl stuff, you need to, but otherwise.. nah
[04:17] <jbasilio> brad: it is true.  you just need to restart whatever it is that you upgraded.  unless it's a kernel you don't need to boot
[04:17] <cje> jbasilio, yes to all of the above.
[04:17] <nosrednaekim> brad: yes. because the stupid person who gave you the directions didn't have you install it via apt
[04:19] <jbasilio> cje: do you see flash plugin in /usr/lib/firefox/plugins?
[04:19] <cleit0n> anyone help me with kde4?
[04:20] <intelikey> cje do you have a /usr/lib/firefox ?
[04:20] <cje> intelikey, I'm looking for that dir now.  One secy, please!
[04:22] <intelikey> jbasilio where else will it show up ?      or do we just always assume firefox ?
[04:22] <Minataku> !br | cleit0n
[04:22] <ubotu> cleit0n: Por favor use #ubuntu-br ou #ubuntu-pt  para ajuda em portugus. Obrigado.
[04:22] <trakinas> it was a short joy
[04:22] <cje> jbasilio, file:///usr/lib/firefox/plugins/libflash-mozplugin.so
[04:22] <jbasilio> intelikey: konqy picks it up too if that's what you mean
[04:22] <spartako> does anyone use JAVA?
[04:22] <brad> ok, it works, thanks a ton!
[04:22] <jbasilio> spartako: yup
[04:23] <jbasilio> cje: sounds like it's installed correctly.  you go to youtube and can't use anything, eh?
[04:23] <nosrednaekim> brad: no problem!
[04:23] <trakinas> now it says "blank command" and printed all wrong before. =(
[04:23] <nosrednaekim> brad: just remember those two easy steps whenever you upgrade a kernel
[04:23] <intelikey> jbasilio what i mean is if someone doesn't have any *mozilla*  installed will installing flashplayer make that dir ?
[04:24] <hitmanWilly> intelikey: under ubuntu, it should
[04:24] <intelikey> kubuntu
[04:24] <jbasilio> intelikey: don't know.  but i assume that the install script will do it.  not positive though since that's not my setup
[04:24] <cje> jbasilio, I go to YouTube and I see the thumbnails and all other features of the page just fine.  It is only when I click on a video to play that I get an error message telling me that I need flash 9
[04:24] <hitmanWilly> intelikey: same difference
[04:24] <jbasilio> cje: and this is firefox?
[04:25] <cje> jbasilio, yes, I am using firefox to visit YouTube.
[04:25] <jbasilio> cje: does /usr/lib/mozille/plugins exist and have a .xpt and .so link?
[04:25] <intelikey> hitmanWilly reason i brought that up  kubuntu doesn't have any firefox anything and it seems odd that a plugin would make a firefox dir and add plugins there,   i assume that it's a symlink to the actualy file anyway.
[04:25] <spartako> any hacker here?
[04:26] <cje> jbasilio, And here's the reason this problem is non-trivial.  I am volunteering to support a public middle school with FOSS, and we have several Ubuntu boxes that we are going to need to have up and running by next Monday.
[04:26] <jbasilio> spartako: what's your definition of a hacker?
[04:26] <intelikey> spartako sure several
[04:26] <cje> jbasilio, checking now
[04:26] <spartako> wow
[04:26] <hitmanWilly> intelikey: actually, yes, it is a symlink, but konq looks for firefox plugins under ~/.mozilla anyway, IIRC
[04:26] <spartako> well, a person who helps people and undrestand all
[04:26] <nosrednaekim> spartako: do you mean hacker, or cracker?
[04:27] <jbasilio> i think konq has a few places it looks .. including the mozilla plugin location
[04:27] <trakinas> gahhhhhhhhhh! damn kprinter
[04:27] <intelikey> hitmanWilly heh yeah i know the whole gui is screwy
[04:27] <trakinas> "blank command line received...."
[04:27] <jbasilio> spartako: i don't think there's anyone who understand all.  do you have a specific problem or just looking for people ? ?
[04:27] <hitmanWilly> spartako: no one understands everything, why not just ask your question and see if someone knows the answer?
[04:28] <cje> jbasilio, file:///usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/flashplayer.xpt  file:///usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/libflashplayer.so
[04:28] <trakinas> like: kprinter is saying "blank command received" while i try to print any file
[04:28] <spartako> you are wrong! God knows all!! :D
[04:28] <trakinas> it printed before, wrongly, but did.
[04:28] <intelikey> spartako here here.
[04:28] <nosrednaekim> spartako: amen brother
[04:28] <jbasilio> i think you want #religion
[04:29] <nosrednaekim> :)
[04:29] <spartako> no
[04:29] <spartako> no
[04:29] <trakinas> spartako: it depends on your beliefs.
[04:29] <nosrednaekim> haha
[04:29] <spartako> i want learn about you
[04:29] <jbasilio> oh please
[04:29] <trakinas> but this is not the right place for this.
[04:29] <nosrednaekim> haha
[04:29] <jbasilio> cje: weird.  sounds like everything is installed.  try konqueror
[04:30] <cje> heh
[04:30] <cje> k
[04:30] <trakinas> *sig*
[04:30] <trakinas> i see i will never pint this thing. :/
[04:31] <jbasilio> cje: make sure in settings->configure->plugins has the directories where your plugins are installed in it
[04:31] <cje> jbasilio, no joy with Konqueror.
[04:31] <nosrednaekim> trakinas: what kind of printer? is it local?
[04:31] <cje> jbasilio, you mean in Firefox, right?
[04:31] <jbasilio> cje: weird.  i never had these issues with flash .. was easy as pie with apt-get install
[04:31] <trakinas> nosrednaekim: yes
[04:31] <zimmo> Man ive got the biggest of the problems
[04:31] <trakinas> hp psc 1510
[04:31] <jbasilio> cje: no, meant konqueror.  i think firefox has it's location hardcoded.  konqy you can add paths to plugins
[04:32] <cje> jbasilio, I am famous for screwing tings up.
[04:32] <trakinas> nosrednaekim: i can print with openoffice.... but not this ps or pdf.
[04:32] <jbasilio> cje: should be screw-proof.  ;)
[04:32] <zimmo> someone has restarted my pc via windows XP, is that possible to enter in a system without sending a trojan horse?
[04:32] <jbasilio> obviously not though .. :(
[04:32] <nosrednaekim> trakinas: HP1210 here, and its working well
[04:32] <trakinas> it did print once, but wrongly. i mean, not as shown on the screen
[04:32] <nosrednaekim> trakinas: thats odd.... did you set up printing via system-settings?
[04:33] <trakinas> via hp tool
[04:33] <zimmo> can anybody help me?!???!??!??!
[04:33] <trakinas> and via print settings.
[04:33] <trakinas> it always detect it as cups.
[04:33] <nosrednaekim> zimmo: windows? I think you have the wrong channel
[04:33] <zimmo> no man
[04:33] <nosrednaekim> ah.... hp settings... IDK.
[04:33] <zimmo> i am on ubuntu now nosrednaekim
[04:33] <trakinas> IDK?
[04:33] <SonhadorPR> Can anybody tell me how to restore the K-Menu?
[04:33] <zimmo> i am asking only if is it possible!!!
[04:33] <nosrednaekim> I don't know. I've never used it
[04:33] <jbasilio> cje: can you do /etc/init.d/flashplugin-nonfree restart?  (i didn't even know this thing was here until inspecting the package)
[04:33] <Dragnslcr> zimmo- you might want to try saying something that makes sense
[04:33] <nosrednaekim> SonhadorPR: you lost the "K"?
[04:33] <SonhadorPR> I cant see it, the bar is there, but its empty.....just a plain bar at the bottom of the screen...
[04:34] <trakinas> zimmo: sure. if you have any remote service activated.
[04:34] <hitmanWilly> zimmo: if you want to look for one, install a virus scanner via apt and scan you windows partition
[04:34] <cje> jbasilio,
[04:34] <trakinas> like vnc, ssh, xremote, etc etc
[04:34] <zimmo> good idea
[04:34] <intelikey> SonhadorPR right click on the bar and add what you want
[04:34] <cje> jbasilio, I will try that now.
[04:34] <nosrednaekim> SonhadorPR: right click on panel _> add applet-> Kmenu
[04:35] <zimmo> trakinas do you know if is it activated by standard?
[04:35] <trakinas> no
[04:35] <zimmo> ok
[04:35] <SonhadorPR> All I have is a plian ol bar at the bottom of the screen...no nothing...I was able to add some icons to it, but to shut it down, I have to press the power button, in order for the shut down little window to pop-up...but I dont have access to anything else on the bar
[04:35] <zimmo> i am afraid it is
[04:35] <BluesKaj> spartako, your IP address is a known spammer on the 'net
[04:35] <zimmo> but even if it is:^so he only needs my IP address?
[04:35] <zimmo> and nothing more?
[04:35] <nosrednaekim> SonhadorPR: do what I said above
[04:35] <SonhadorPR> yeah...but its not like at the begining... I did that...but its still not the same
[04:35] <hitmanWilly> zimmo: on a win box, not much...
[04:36] <zimmo> and I ask you more: could he do the same way if I were on Ubuntu?
[04:36] <cje> jbasilio, bash: /etci/nit.d/flashplugin-nonfree: No such file or directory
[04:36] <jbasilio>   /etc/init.d ... not /etci/nit.d
[04:36] <zimmo> then he has complete access to my machine?
[04:36] <zimmo> he had sorry
[04:36] <hitmanWilly> zimmo: possibly, but it would be harder
[04:37] <zimmo> you know, how much he need to know to restart me
[04:37] <hitmanWilly> zimmo: unless you use the same pass for both accts :(
[04:37] <zimmo> it could be only an windows bug
[04:37] <SonhadorPR> nosred: what panel?   If I right click all that comes up is Add Applet to panel...
[04:37] <cje> jbasilio, oops, sorry
[04:37] <zimmo> i have no password
[04:37] <jbasilio> zimmo: unless there's a vulnerability in a program that can be used for remote access (ssh, telnet, ftp, http) people can't just "get into" your machine
[04:37] <nosrednaekim> zimmo: DUH!
[04:37] <jbasilio> unless you have no password *thwap*
[04:37] <Cobalt> could I get a bit of coaching on vmware ie how to install and run using ubuntu 7.04
[04:37] <jbasilio> and dno't pick abc123
[04:37] <zimmo> oh god
[04:37] <zimmo> it is easier than i imaginated
[04:37] <zimmo> you are freaking me
[04:38] <nosrednaekim> !vmware | Cobalt
[04:38] <ubotu> Cobalt: VMWare Player is in Ubuntu's !Multiverse repository (package "vmware-player"), and http://www.easyvmx.com/easyvmx.shtml can create VMs for it. For VMWare Server, instructions can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VMware - See also !virtualizers
[04:38] <jbasilio> you do realize passwords are important no matter what OS, right?
[04:38] <zimmo> i hope he only nuked me, but there are no nukes nowadays!
[04:38] <hitmanWilly> zimmo: set a password!!! its not that hard!!!
[04:38] <jbasilio> GOOD passwords
[04:38] <intelikey> SonhadorPR ok   you'll loose custom configs of kde but this should restore things         press [alt] +[f2]    and type in   rm -r ~/.kde    and wait about 3 seconds and press  [ctrl] +[alt] +[backspace]      see you when you get back...
[04:38] <zimmo> now I realize
[04:38] <zimmo> and if my OS does not have a login session
[04:38] <nosrednaekim> intelikey:  no no! that will make him lose mail and stuff too!
[04:38] <zimmo> then it is like this??
[04:38] <cje> jbasilio, bash: /etc/init.d/flashplugin-nonfree: No such file or directory
[04:38] <zimmo> so easy?!?!?!
[04:39] <intelikey> nosrednaekim yes kmail
[04:39] <nosrednaekim> intelikey: and bookmarks and ..... and... yeah
[04:39] <jbasilio> cje: ok, looks like the package MAY not be installed correctly .. ?? dunno.  i have that file
[04:39] <zimmo> man I realized how Internet really is
[04:39] <nosrednaekim> zimmo: dangerous
[04:39] <jbasilio> cje: can you reinstall it?
[04:39] <intelikey> nosrednaekim it's not like the system has been up for more than two days
[04:39] <SonhadorPR> ok...Im just gonna leave it the way it is...I just added a whole bunch of items...
[04:39] <jbasilio> zimmo: how the internet really is?
[04:39] <cje> jbasilio, do I need to uninstall first?
[04:39] <zimmo> dangerous!
[04:39] <nosrednaekim> intelikey: oh.... how did you know?
[04:39] <SonhadorPR> thanx anyway...
[04:39] <trakinas> added another printer and same error
[04:39] <zimmo> is it that?
[04:39] <jbasilio> cje: sure.  purge it it ...
[04:40] <nosrednaekim> trakinas: did you add it via kprinter?
[04:40] <trakinas> via System Settings
[04:40] <trakinas> is the same thing
[04:40] <nosrednaekim> yeah. samething ok.
[04:40] <jbasilio> zimmo: internet isn't dangerous ... as long as you use a password
[04:40] <cje> jbasilio, k, sorry to be dense, but how would you suggest uninstalling it?
[04:40] <zimmo> but I guess if he shuts down my computer without the normal shutting down process
[04:40] <intelikey> nosrednaekim talked to him yestergo
[04:40] <jbasilio> cje: sudo adept_manager
[04:40] <zimmo> how can he do it
[04:40] <nosrednaekim> intelikey: ah, ok
[04:41] <jbasilio> locate flashplugin-nonfree and right click and request purging
[04:41] <jbasilio> than apply changes
[04:41] <zimmo_> sorry
[04:41] <intelikey> trakinas you're not on dapper are you ?
[04:42] <jbasilio> zimmo_: sorry.  i don't have a clue as to what your concern is.  put a password on your computer.  and don't worry about anything else
[04:42] <intelikey> dapper's update of foomaticdatabase is hosed
[04:42] <zimmo_> yes, you said the right word at the right time
[04:42] <zimmo_> no better answer, thank you all
[04:42] <zimmo_> but if I could ask the last question
[04:42] <trakinas> intelikey: no no! never used ubuntu before feisty! :] 
[04:42] <zimmo_> how more secure am I on ubuntu with standard configuration??
[04:42] <intelikey> trakinas k.
[04:43] <jbasilio> you're pretty secure.  there aren't any programs installed by default that can be exploited remotely.
[04:43] <intelikey> zimmo until you open an irc client pretty safe  :)
[04:43] <zimmo_> haha
[04:43] <intelikey> serious
[04:43] <cje> jbasilio, okay, I used Adept to uninstall the package called flashplugin-nonfree and it seems to have successfully uninstalled.  Do I need to reboot before attempting a re-install through Adept?
[04:43] <zimmo_> he was a terrorist
[04:43] <jbasilio> you know IRC client exploits?
[04:43] <zimmo_> thats why I am afraind!
[04:43] <zimmo_> maybe
[04:44] <zimmo_> kiss of death maybe
[04:44] <jbasilio> c'mon man .. that's pretty paranoid!  don't freak the guy out!
[04:44] <zimmo_> kod
[04:44] <intelikey> !virus | zimmo_
[04:44] <ubotu> zimmo_: A/V software is available, however read this to understand why Linux does not have a virus problem: http://librenix.com/?inode=21
[04:44] <jbasilio> cje: no.  you don't need to reboot for rarely anything except kernels
[04:44] <cje> jbasilio, k, so I am going to try to reinstall.
[04:44] <zimmo_> he said personally to me he has a lot of virii
[04:44] <zimmo_> ok thanks
[04:45] <zimmo_> is not this site an exploit is it
[04:45] <zimmo_> heheheh joking
[04:45] <intelikey> zimmo_ it a food read   http://librenix.com/?inode=21
[04:45] <intelikey> good even
[04:45] <trakinas> YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEES
[04:45] <zimmo_> ok
[04:45] <zimmo_> ill see, thank you
[04:45] <jbasilio> linux might not have a virus issue, and thankfully the mail clients don't run stuff by default.... but if someone did a rm -rf * as a shell script attachment i'd be pissed.  virus or not.  :)
[04:45] <cje> jbasilio
[04:45] <cje> oops
[04:45] <trakinas> i hope it last! hehe
[04:45] <nosrednaekim> trakinas: good job, I guess
[04:45] <jbasilio> rm -rf ~/* rather
[04:45] <trakinas> time to go dinner
[04:46] <cje> jbasilio, same problem.  I tried to reinstall, no joy.
[04:46] <trakinas> 3 hours to make this thing work! hehe
[04:46] <jbasilio> no way .. that was too fast
[04:46] <zimmo_> i understood
[04:46] <zimmo_> them i have to close the computers doors
[04:46] <jbasilio> you d/led the flash plugin and followed the prompt?
[04:46] <zimmo_> ports
[04:46] <trakinas> i wonder why nothing works out of the box with me. in any os. in any device. hehe
[04:46] <zimmo_> then* sorry
[04:46] <intelikey> jbasilio might add a dot to make that work  ~/.??*
[04:47] <jbasilio> intelikey: either way.  my documents would be super pissed off.
[04:47] <intelikey> :)
[04:47] <cje> jbasilio, there was no prompt.  I used adept to uninstall it.
[04:47] <sayers> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it ? EH! nothing is using it...
[04:47] <jbasilio> cje: right ... on the isntall though it should pause and ask you to d/l the flash plugin and put it in /tmp i think.  then hit enter when you've done it
[04:47] <jbasilio> sayers: ps -ef  | grep dpkg
[04:48] <zimmo_> you are so nice because you could use your knowledge for evil
[04:48] <zimmo_> thanks
[04:48] <zimmo_> ill read now
[04:48] <cje> jbasilio, hmmm, no, the Adept GUI did not ask me to do any such thing.
[04:48] <sayers> jbasilio:  sayers   12308 12229  0 22:48 pts/1    00:00:00 grep dpkg
[04:48] <jbasilio> cje: purge it again.  from command line do apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree
[04:49] <jbasilio> sayers: something got killed while doing package-y stuff?  is there a lock file you can delete?
[04:49] <sayers> jbasilio: I don't know.
[04:50] <jbasilio> cje: perhaps it is choking on bringing up the prompt
[04:50] <jbasilio> sayers: /var/lib/dpkg/lock
[04:50] <jbasilio> delete it if you are sure nothing is using it
[04:50] <sayers> Permission Denied
[04:50] <jbasilio> sudo rm /var/lib/dpkg/lock
[04:50] <intelikey> !adeptcrashfix | sayers
[04:50] <ubotu> sayers: If Adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole:  sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a 
[04:51] <sayers> E: Some index files failed to download, they have been ignored, or old ones used instead.
[04:51] <jbasilio> or do what the robot says.  he's pretty smart
[04:51] <cleit0n> hi, how i do to back to kde 3 after install kde 4?
[04:51] <cje> jbasilio, here is my error message this time:  Download done.  md5sum mismatch install_flash_player_9_linux.tar.gz The Flash plugin is NOT installed.
[04:51] <jbasilio> haha.  that was fast. :)  at the login prompt you can select what you want.  left side there's an enter button graphic thing
[04:51] <sayers> jbasilio: Gotta problem
[04:52] <jbasilio> cje: ah!  i don't know why it's not asking you .. but it should give you a command to type to d/l the REAL package.  then it'll do the install steps for you
[04:52] <cje> jbasilio, maybe that's because some parts of the install are still on my system.  Maybe I need to del the dir
[04:53] <intelikey> sayers if you mean the index error above     see what  sudo apt-get update   says
[04:53] <sayers> Can I PM The log
[04:53] <intelikey> better if you pastebin it.
[04:53] <intelikey> !paste | sayers
[04:53] <ubotu> sayers: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[04:54] <jbasilio> cje: i don't think so.  the system should prompt you if you purged.  doesn't matter what's local
[04:54] <sayers> http://pastebin.com/m21b3439b
[04:54] <sayers> I know what is intelikey :)
[04:55] <jbasilio> you have a bad entry in yourr sources.list file
[04:55] <jbasilio> you added a bad repository
[04:55] <jbaerbock> wow lots of Kubuntu users online, when I used Mint there were maybe 5 on their IRC channel lol
[04:56] <genefitz> Jbaer, we are many, it seems.. :-)
[04:56] <intelikey> sayers ok.   that doesn't look like it will break anything   anything else you want us to look at ?
[04:56] <jbaerbock> lol that we are
[04:56] <holycow> no one uses mint because its apointless project
[04:56] <jbaerbock> Just happy to be back on KDE after my loooong Gnome excursion
[04:56] <stoned> thats not true
[04:56] <jbaerbock> Mint is very nice for noobs like I was
[04:56] <stoned> i dunno what it is
[04:56] <jbaerbock> automatix etc... already run
[04:56] <stoned> but im sure it wasn't pointless
[04:57] <stoned> automatix is the devil
[04:57] <holycow> its absolutely pointless
[04:57] <holycow> as you can see
[04:57] <angasule> what is mint?
[04:57] <genefitz> Mint isn't so bad, I tried it out. I regularly bounce back and forth, I have KDE on my notebook and Gnome on my desktop...
[04:57] <jbaerbock> but now that I know how to do it myself i chose to use Kubuntu
[04:57] <jbasilio> cje: https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+question/10061
[04:57] <genefitz> However, I amust admint, as soon as I can get the bugs worked out, I will probably be switching to Enlightenment, or E-KDE
[04:57] <stoned> boinky boinky boinky
[04:57] <jbaerbock> would be my first choice for Gnome Linux
[04:57] <stoned> bounce bounce bounce
[04:58] <angasule> fluxbox for teh win? :)
[04:58] <sayers> intelikey: it doesnt work...
[04:58] <jbaerbock> I tried ELive, didnt work very well for me and was hard to find any of the options i needed
[04:58] <stoned> i love fluxbox's tabs mman
[04:58] <stoned> window tabbing is great
[04:58] <jbaerbock> yup
[04:58] <sayers> intelikey: its working :D
[04:58] <zimmo_> what is Mint's page?
[04:58] <jbasilio> cje: looks like you've discovered a known issue ... wrong palce at the wrong time.  timing is everything!
[04:59] <genefitz> JBaer, I have Elive, and it crashed on me every time I tried to load it.. As I said, I won't be moving into any enlightenment system until I can figure out how to work the bugs out...
[04:59] <cje> jbasilio, heh.
[04:59] <cje> I am using Edgy, though.
[04:59] <jbaerbock> Wish I could get WoW to work here, then would never need my win partition lol
[04:59] <genefitz> But I must say, it is very nice looking
[04:59] <jbaerbock> but alas i am addicted to WoW
[04:59] <intelikey> sayers ok.     and for the record,  servers do get reset sometimes.   if something like that fails  try again in 20-30 minutes
[04:59] <jbaerbock> even with Cedega it just dont work, yay for ATI cards
[04:59] <genefitz> JBaer, I have heard of people using WoW in crossover..
[04:59] <BluesKaj> nite folks
[05:00] <intelikey> BluesKaj
[05:00] <jbaerbock> yeah very cool loking effects
[05:00] <genefitz> But I don't know if I am willing to buy it..
[05:00] <jbasilio> cje: read that whole thread.  and check it in the coming days.  my battery is about dead and so am i
[05:00] <jbaerbock> had to pay a buck to download though :(
[05:00] <jbasilio> 'night all
[05:00] <cje> jbasilio, thanks!
[05:00] <intelikey> jbasilio
[05:00] <genefitz> JBaer, what's a dollar.? lol
[05:00] <jbaerbock> Cedega is supposed to make wow fly, however my ATI card and Linux do not get along with very graphically intense games like wow
[05:00] <jbaerbock> so I just have a windows partition
[05:00] <jbasilio> cje: you're using edgy!?!?!  ack.  don't do that.  :)
[05:01] <genefitz> It looked like it had promise, I figure it was worth it. Maybe once they have a few distros under their belt, they may get it working right..
[05:01] <jbaerbock> yup true that
[05:01] <jbasilio> better to be on newest .. or else support from this type of forum is more difficult IMHO.  but still it shouldn't be THAT far off since it's flash + firefox which should be in sync between releases
[05:01] <jbasilio> cya
[05:01] <cje> jbasilio, I *have* to use Edgy.  I am producing a documentary film called the Digital Tipping Point for Windows noobs about how cool FOSS is and we have standardized on it.
[05:01] <jbaerbock> Got internet sharing figured out, was a duh that coulda been easy moment
[05:01] <intelikey> or LTS
[05:01] <genefitz> JBaer, for some reason, Linux doesn't like my desktop at all. I think maybe because it is all new, nVidia board, Video, Sound and Ethernet.
[05:02] <jbaerbock> took awhile though
[05:02] <genefitz> Even Ubuntu gives me hastles sometimes..
[05:02] <jbaerbock> yeah could be, i have a HP zv6000 and everything works OOTB except wireless and graphics
[05:02] <jbaerbock> fixed via Envy and Ndiswrapper hehe
[05:03] <genefitz> Everything works like a dream on my notebook (older HP zd series..
[05:03] <genefitz> )
[05:03] <jbaerbock> I have been installing some of my Win98 games and they work perfect with wine or cedega
[05:03] <jbaerbock> just the newer ones have issues
[05:03] <intelikey> cje  oh bad call.   should have used dapper if they were going to do that...   always zero on something that is going to be supported longer than the project will last.
[05:03] <genefitz> Wine is a never ending thing though, I have always had a 50/50 in wine.. It really is a craps shoot at times..
[05:03] <jbaerbock> I do have wireless problems sometimes though
[05:03] <jbaerbock> yeah hence why i have cedega too
[05:04] <genefitz> I can feel ya there..
[05:04] <jbaerbock> usualy if one does not work in wine it will work in cedega
[05:04] <cje> intelikey, we do have some dapper packages, but why would dapper last longer than edgy?
[05:04] <intelikey> !LTS
[05:04] <ubotu> LTS means Long Term Support. LTS versions of Ubuntu will be supported for 3 years on the desktop, and 5 years on the server.
[05:04] <jbaerbock> Like I have two linksys wireless connections in my building, one with passkey and one without
[05:04] <jbaerbock> linux gets em confused it seems, windows has no problems with it
[05:04] <zimmo__> can JPGE images cotain VIRUSES?
[05:05] <jbaerbock> and if the signal is lower linux has issues connecting where as windows does badaboom
[05:05] <hitmanWilly> zimmo__: its possible...
[05:05] <hitmanWilly> zimmo__: especially on windows...
[05:05] <intelikey> zimmo__ yes they can  and exploits    well which is basicly the same thing
[05:05] <jbaerbock> but love my Kubuntu so yeah i just okay around and get it working eventually
[05:05] <genefitz> JBaer, it is a thing about linux. It has been around for a while, but companies are just now starting to take it seriously. I am seeing a change in the trends though.
[05:05] <zimmo__> mannnnnnnnn I hate Internet
[05:05] <jbaerbock> yup, love the change
[05:05] <cleit0n> hi, how i do to back to kde 3 after install kde 4?
[05:05] <cje> intelikey, here are the tools that Jonathan Grindstaff created as special BASH scripts for our project:  http://digitaltippingpoint.com/wiki/index.php?title=From_Tape_to_Archive
[05:06] <genefitz> Give it two years or so, and the manufacturers will start making more linux drivers and such..
[05:06] <zimmo__> Internet has the Socrates principle: I only know that I know nothing!
[05:06] <jbaerbock> first distro was RedHat 4.0 waaay back in my childhood years, dependancy hell, so left then dabbled a tad around 1998 and left, then came back around 2 years ago with Ubuntu
[05:06] <zimmo__> and would AVG avoid it anyway people??
[05:06] <jbaerbock> have had two partitions since
[05:06] <cje> intelikey, we actually tried to standardize on Feisty, but after two solid days and failing, we fell back to Edgy and worked first time, because one key package was behind Feisty.  See, Ubuntu sometimes moves faster than the world around it.
[05:07] <genefitz>  years before..
[05:07] <jbaerbock> Been going between distros though
[05:07] <jbaerbock> but think im happy with my Kubuntu setup i got going
[05:07] <zimmo__> I guess I hate W*ndows
[05:07] <knapp> How can I get Kopete to stop saying: "You are not allowed to add yourself to the contact list. The addition of "snuggyfoofy" to account "snuggyfoofy" will not take place."
[05:07] <genefitz> I started out with Mandrake and redhat.. I payed $30 for redhat (no broadband at the time) and I got Mandrake free from Linux Mag.
[05:08] <jbaerbock> I remmember the gnome of RH4.0 lol
[05:08] <xamuska> alguien k hable en espaol
[05:08] <jbaerbock> I got RH for a birthday gift from my dad hehe
[05:08] <genefitz> I far more enjoyed Mandrake. As a newbie to the linux workd, I found KDE more user friendly for someone just starting out..
[05:08] <hitmanWilly> zimmo__: it doesn't help that windows runs EVERYTHING as basically root, so an exploit in a imaging app has full system access
[05:08] <jbaerbock> never been able to get mandrake or mandriva to work on any of my comps
[05:09] <jbaerbock> so why'd ya come to Kubuntu instead of staying with MAdriva?
[05:09] <genefitz> I tried the new Mandriva (powerpack) and it gave me a lot of issues..
[05:09] <zimmo__> hitmanWilly you said that even if I scanned the picture, it does not matter?
[05:09] <jbaerbock> I have been trying to get Mandriva Spring One working
[05:09] <zimmo__> did you mean to say that:
[05:09] <jbaerbock> never starts up all the way
[05:09] <jbaerbock> and I have heard Ubuntu has about the most repos out there
[05:10] <genefitz> JBaer, I have a spool of a hundred CDs every one of them has a different distro on them. I go through them and find which I like the most..
[05:10] <jbaerbock> I have tried 28 distros to this day
[05:10] <genefitz> Kubuntu had the most options and the easiest ability for upgrades and such..
[05:10] <hitmanWilly> zimmo__: if its an actual virus, yes. if its an exploit with the imaging program, like a buffer overflow attack, then probably not
[05:10] <Scorpaen> hey folks
[05:10] <genefitz> I just like testing.. That's my thing..
[05:10] <Scorpaen> i booted a custom kernel i rolled myself. now when i boot ANY kernel, it doesn't mount my home drive and fsck keeps finding errors everywhere
[05:11] <genefitz> I will beta test darn near anything, just to see how it works..
[05:11] <jbaerbock> Do you know if the new KDE coming out later this year I think will be in the next Kubuntu? or if we can upgrade our current KDE to it easily?
[05:11] <zimmo__> ok I understood now
[05:11] <Scorpaen> wth did i do wrong??
[05:11] <jbaerbock> ditto, i like new toys :D wife thinks me nuts
[05:11] <genefitz> I guess you could call me "The geek among geeks" lol
[05:11] <jbaerbock> but even she has used linux
[05:11] <zimmo__> hitmanWilly high risk
[05:12] <genefitz> JBaer, I am looking heavily into making a full conversion..
[05:12] <jbaerbock> still use windows?
[05:12] <genefitz> I use Linux now, more than windows, and I have paid much less for it..
[05:12] <genefitz> JBaer, I was MSDN for several years..
[05:12] <jbaerbock> im guessing you ment full conversion to linux?
[05:12] <genefitz> Still am..
[05:12] <genefitz> Correct..
[05:12] <Dr_willis> Give in to the GPL side!
[05:12] <Dr_willis> :)
[05:13] <Dr_willis> only thing i do under windows these days is burn avi files to dvd video. Aint found a nice simple way to do that under linux.. Yet.
[05:13] <jbaerbock> ok, yeah i did for about a few months but like i said, love my gaming too much
[05:13] <Dr_willis> IRC is the ultimate MMORPG
[05:13] <Dr_willis> :)
[05:13] <intelikey> cje yes,    looks like you fellows have quite a project started.     and i totally agree that the pace ubuntu has set is "well ludicrus may be the right word"  at the very least faster than need be.
[05:13] <genefitz> Dr Willis, I just went out the money foe Linus Nero.
[05:13] <genefitz> Linux even
[05:13] <jbaerbock> so have my two partitions, but things on linux take lots less space than stuff in Windows so not a problem
[05:14] <zimmo__> hitmanWilly the right question is: can a JPG cotain a trojan horse??
[05:14] <intelikey> Dr_willis and suicide is the ultimate FPS  ?
[05:14] <jbaerbock> Wouldn't K3B do that?
[05:14] <cje> intelikey, Thanks for the nice words.
[05:14] <Dr_willis> genefitz,  does that even DO dvd video stuff? last i looked at it. the thing was rather limited in what it could do.
[05:14] <jbaerbock> I use K3B for everything under the sun, though dont burn DvDs
[05:14] <cje> intelikey, our project is totally open and free.  We have 51 hours loaded onto the Internet Archive's Digital Tipping Point Video Collection.
[05:15] <genefitz> DrWillis, I believe it does.. Of course, I haven't tried to use ot for that..
[05:15] <cje> intelikey, http://archive.org/details/digitaltippingpoint
[05:15] <genefitz> I primarily use it for ISO..
[05:15] <intelikey> cje yes i "thumbed" through the site already   nice.
[05:15] <genefitz> DrWillis, the big issue in anything DVD with Linux is the whole legality of it..
[05:15] <cje> intelikey, heh.  thx!
[05:15] <Dr_willis> the only thing i cant get k3b doing is lettimg me toss a few avi files to a dvd for viewing on the wifes dvd player in the front room
[05:15] <Dr_willis> thats LEGAL. :)
[05:16] <jbaerbock> ahh fun
[05:16] <genefitz> I still don't understand all the details of why Linux isn't allowed to carry DVD and MP3 Codecs and such...
[05:16] <Dr_willis> only playinb back comercial dvd's is the grey-legal area.
[05:16] <jbaerbock> love legality
[05:16] <jbaerbock> i just use automatix and everything works codec wise
[05:16] <Dr_willis> genefitz,  legally NO one can decrypt dvd's without paying the proper license. thats the end-all-argument. :)
[05:16] <zimmo> moment
[05:17] <intelikey> Dr_willis and buying comercial dvd's the the grey-intelectual area
[05:17] <Dr_willis> about $10 of each dvd player ya buy - goes to the dvd concertium or whtever. to pay that license.. over and over again..
[05:17] <Dr_willis> Or so i hear
[05:17] <jbaerbock> I figure if I buy a DvD I have the right to watch it lol
[05:17] <genefitz> DrWillis, you now, I kinda get that, but I figure buying the CD would pay for the license. But hey, what do I know?
[05:17] <Dr_willis> jbaerbock,  you have the right to watch it.. but not the right to decrypt it except on the specific hardware
[05:17] <genefitz> I think it is just mainstream trying to cut out the little guys...
[05:18] <Biovore> genefitz: One would think that..  Thats where fair use come in..
[05:18] <genefitz> correction, DVD even
[05:18] <jbaerbock> technically my HP laptop is still owned by HP but i dont see things that way
[05:18] <Dr_willis> DMCA trumps fair use. it seems.
[05:18] <Biovore> just like with windows vista..  you can't actualy own a copy of vista.. You are renting it from microsoft..
[05:18] <intelikey> devils always trump fair anything
[05:18] <Dr_willis> Legal Limitations trump 'rights'
[05:18] <jbaerbock> i figure i buy it I can do what i will with it
[05:19] <Biovore> you are buying anything with dvd's and CD eather..  you just renting the content on a perminate basis..
[05:19] <genefitz> The beauty of Linux when it comes to DVDs though, Using Acidrip, it is a lot easier to convert to AVI.
[05:19] <intelikey> jbaerbock i'm with you,  question is who will visit us in jail ???
[05:19] <Dr_willis> theres some interesting legalities going on in some european courts also , on this topic.
[05:19] <genefitz> I just store it on the drive..
[05:19] <Biovore> yup
[05:19] <jbaerbock> love how Adam Savage said it, "I reject your reality and substitute my own."
[05:19] <jbaerbock> lol
[05:20] <Dr_willis> jbaerbock,  right befor he stuck his tounge in a high speed fan...
[05:20] <Dr_willis> :)
[05:20] <dsmith_> what would be a good laptop *new* that works with ubuntu?
[05:20] <dsmith_> Dell?
[05:20] <Dr_willis> dsmith_,  check out the dell linux laptops
[05:20] <jbaerbock> my wife will visit us lol
[05:20] <Biovore> dsmith_: My Dell E1705 with a nvidia card works out of the box with ubuntu
[05:20] <genefitz> DrWillis, as I said before, I am starting to see a shift.. I am starting to think that as we users grow, and expand, we are going to leave the media companies with no choice..
[05:20] <intelikey> :)
[05:20] <dsmith_> I hear HP is coming out with Linux, and lenovo's work finr aling with the MAC pros
[05:21] <Dr_willis> genefitz,  yep. thats how its heading..  but still its all the little annoyances that get ya
[05:21] <Biovore> dsmith_: make sure you get something with intel wireless..
[05:21] <dsmith_> Biovore: I know :)
[05:21] <jbaerbock> I actually got an AVI to play better in linux than windows, which i found humorous
[05:21] <Dr_willis> my laptop is working about 98% with linux now. :) just a few little issues here and there.
[05:21] <dsmith_> i have a hp zd7000, getting old
[05:21] <Dr_willis> jbaerbock,  i had a comercial dvd. (starwars) that crashed 5 out of 5 windows laptops at work.. but played find in linux. :)
[05:22] <dsmith_> lol
[05:22] <genefitz> dsmith, HP is, Dell is, and there are, starting to emerge online, companies that are building linux systems, and selling them for a fraction of the cost..
[05:22] <Biovore> ^ yeah I had that problem as well
[05:22] <intelikey> thank you "fritz"   :)
[05:22] <jbaerbock> lol, love when stuff like that happens, i post those situations on forums and the windows guys come and bash me lol
[05:22] <genefitz> There is one swiss company that has a $150 laptop with freespire (I think it's freespire)
[05:22] <dsmith_> youtube a video of it
[05:23] <Dr_willis> asus has a $200 and $300 linux micro-laptop comming out soon.
[05:23] <Dr_willis> 4,8,16 gb flash drive options.
[05:23] <Dr_willis> dsmith_,  :) im ordering one.. someday :)
[05:23] <jbaerbock> TuxShop i think it is called has one out for 400 i think
[05:23] <genefitz> See, we are starting to push on that door Microsoft has kept closed for years...
[05:23] <Dr_willis> looks like more fun then that Nokia880
[05:24] <dsmith_> billy is retiring
[05:24] <jbaerbock> yup we should bring the battering ram :D
[05:24] <dsmith_> tsunami of pengiuns
[05:24] <genefitz> The beauty is with linux, every new distro doesn't require a new computer, or hella upgrades..
[05:24] <intelikey> genefitz and if we will keep linux "free" we can keep pushing on it,  if we don't   M$ will soon own ju
[05:24] <jbaerbock> lol
[05:25] <intelikey> !freeformats
[05:25] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[05:25] <genefitz> That is where mocrosoft and apple are losing, every time they come out with an upgraded OS, all our systems become obsolete, and virtually unsuable..
[05:25] <jbaerbock> yeah love the penguins, have then as wallpaper all the time
[05:26] <holycow> genefitz: that really is an interesting statement
[05:26] <genefitz> Intelikey, that would have to require the Distros to take a stand agains MS and all their (you owe me money because you are kicking my ass)
[05:26] <holycow> and true on levels hard to really understand
[05:26] <dsmith_> i have an image on my wondows machine. Pengium sucking on a sippie drink that says " Windows we suck more, gauranteed"
[05:26] <holycow> we have beryl that runs on less than 1ghz cpus, 256 meg ram or less, just needs a decent nvidia card for example and totally kills mac and windows 3d stuff
[05:26] <holycow> it really trully is amazing
[05:27] <intelikey> genefitz yes and it is as simple as you and me taking that stand and sticking by our guns.
[05:27] <jbaerbock> found it funny how we had beryl long before windows vista :D
[05:27] <jbaerbock> and compiz too
[05:27] <Biovore> yup
[05:27] <genefitz> This whole thing with Novell folding and other companies starting to pay microsoft off, or start charging, because they are going to have to pay microsoft..
[05:27] <Biovore> had it before mac
[05:27] <jbaerbock> I will NEVER use vista as my OS
[05:27] <dsmith_> hasta la vista
[05:27] <dsmith_> lol
[05:27] <holycow> we lucked out with linux too
[05:27] <jbaerbock> hehe
[05:27] <holycow> we started 2 years ago doing our research
[05:27] <genefitz> The beauty is that many new OS's like Ubuntu being created outside the US and such are springing up..
[05:27] <holycow> we can now completely avoid vista period.
[05:27] <holycow> end of discussion.
[05:28] <jbaerbock> yup
[05:28] <holycow> no vista will ever be bought in our company
[05:28] <dsmith_> samw with mine
[05:28] <dsmith_> *same
[05:28] <jbaerbock> I'll have XP laying around maybe but never Vista, means I'd actually have to buy software then
[05:28] <genefitz> This takes the heat off us..
[05:28] <Biovore> Uncle sam has mandated not to go to untill it gets provin..
[05:28] <dsmith_> i just install kubuntu on all new machines
[05:29] <Dr_willis> oh wait - that iddnt happen.. they are just BETA testing service pack 1, 6 mo befor its due out.
[05:29] <jbaerbock> yeah SP1 means more money possibly and less annoyed customers....maybe
[05:29] <Dr_willis> Just wait for SP2! then SP 2.5!
[05:29] <jbaerbock> lol
[05:29] <Dr_willis> 'why dosent linux have service packs?'
[05:29] <genefitz> I beta'd Vista, and I personally have nothing against it (other than the cost)
[05:29] <Dr_willis> :)
[05:29] <dmuser> Biovore:  I think I figured out why some programs wouldn't run.  Some of my X lib files were corrupt.  I had to delete them manually and reinstall my nVidia drivers in a recovery mode reboot.  Thanks for your help previously!
[05:29] <dsmith_> what good is a SP if it breaks software
[05:29] <jbaerbock> now if i can get my wife to use Linux on her laptop we'd be set
[05:30] <genefitz> My reason for doing linux is more about the added software..
[05:30] <intelikey> Dr_willis cause a release doesn't last until it releases !
[05:30] <Dr_willis> I have issues with vista.. they moved junk around.. just to be moving things it seems. :) and its amazingly awful on my wifes low end box. :)
[05:30] <holycow> ultimately it is more usefull, indeed genefitz
[05:30] <Biovore> linux is still growing.. as more people have it.. more comerical support will come along..
[05:30] <genefitz> If I had to pay the going cost for the ammount of software I have on this computer, I would be out a couple thousand dollars..
[05:30] <intelikey> people were literally asking for fiesty iso before edgy released
[05:30] <jbaerbock> yeah i dont like the cost or Microsoft, otherwise vista is just another windows to me
[05:30] <holycow> Biovore: i agree
[05:30] <Dr_willis> Unless you belive the stuff slashdot has been posting the last week or so.
[05:30] <holycow> i think its at a point where its unstopeable
[05:31] <genefitz> And with windows, you always have the option of "hacked ware" but 9 out of 10, it is virus laden..
[05:31] <holycow> mark did an absolutely brilliant thing by tangentially freezing off of debian
[05:31] <dsmith_> which reminds me, I need to order some more kubuntu Cd's
[05:31] <Biovore> its was unstopable from the stop because microsoft couldn't by linux..
[05:31] <Biovore> (stop - start)
[05:31] <holycow> he got to create a whole new set of values without imposing on debians values
[05:31] <jbaerbock> sounds like Bin Laden genefitz lol
[05:31] <genefitz> lol JBaer
[05:31] <Dr_willis> since its GPL'd - linux will not 'just go away' :)  unlike OS2/BeOS/Others? that are now just very very niche/hobbiest/warezed only os's
[05:31] <jbaerbock> Virus Laden, Windows worste enemy
[05:31] <Dr_willis> shame they never gpled BeOS
[05:31] <Dr_willis> or OS2
[05:31] <holycow> so it gets to grow at its own rate, yet at the same time we retain the core of debian which trully is the god of all distros as is now evident
[05:32] <jbaerbock> I heard BeOS was good
[05:32] <dsmith_> hah
[05:32] <holycow> fanboys all say beos was good, the truth is it sucked
[05:32] <holycow> it was mostly a hack just to get stuff going
[05:32] <jbaerbock> oh lol
[05:32] <dsmith_> i was just trying to run some acronis software via wine the other day, I guess I need a seagate drive for it to work
[05:32] <genefitz> The beauty, and the curse of linux. Right now, there is very little virus threat, because the majority of the people use Windows, The half empty, as we grow in popularity, we are going to have to be more watchful..
[05:32] <holycow> they hacked some fake optimizations into the kernel to make it look like it was fast at media but it was just a workaround
[05:32] <Biovore> actualy wine gets ussed to debug windows games.. weirdly enough its good for finding rouge pointers and such..
[05:32] <holycow> it didn't even have a proper security infrastructure
[05:33] <holycow> its like memories of childhood, you remember the good but forget the bad
[05:33] <jbaerbock> lol
[05:33] <Dr_willis> holycow,  neither does windows.. :)
[05:33] <genefitz> But there are two sides to every coin, I figure..
[05:33] <Dr_willis> GeOS rules!
[05:33] <holycow> genefitz: i don't think that is a curse, i think the most important thing we bring is not the distro
[05:33] <holycow> its
[05:33] <holycow> 1. freedom
[05:33] <holycow> 2. culture
[05:33] <Dr_willis> 3. there is no #3
[05:33] <dsmith_> 3. profit, kidding
[05:33] <jbaerbock> 3. Community which is in culture i suppose
[05:33] <holycow> #2 is almost more important than 1 because the biggest problem on windows is they are taught it is okay to be stupid
[05:34] <jbaerbock> lol
[05:34] <genefitz> holycow, I agree with you..
[05:34] <holycow> on linux you are encouraged by the community to learn and grow
[05:34] <Dr_willis> 4. Fear, Suprise, and a rutheless devotoion to the GPL!
[05:34] <holycow> there is not a single linux user i have ever met that hasn't learned and grown as a result of making a switch
[05:34] <holycow> and the change is absolutely amazing in every single user
[05:34] <holycow> once that change is made
[05:34] <genefitz> One of the monst beautiful thing in Linux is what you are looking at now. True community support, people helping people..
[05:34] <jbaerbock> 5. Utter hate for large overbearing expensive money hogging corporations
[05:34] <holycow> there is NO going back EVER
[05:34] <holycow> ever
[05:34] <dsmith_> ever
[05:34] <dsmith_> lol
[05:34] <intelikey> up with the GPL   down with the DRM
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[05:35] <jbaerbock> I am addicted to Linux, i get this excided feeling every time I boot it up
[05:35] <holycow> anyone who has experience freedom and personal growth never goes back to windows
[05:35] <zimmo> up the irons
[05:35] <jbaerbock> love to try liveCDs im happy when im doing that :D
[05:35] <holycow> the issue however comes up then
[05:35] <holycow> how fast is too fast
[05:35] <genefitz> Now don't get me wrong, Not that I don't enjoy my chats with the little Indian woman who does MS support..
[05:35] <holycow> if you bring too many people onboard soon enough, you can't train them
[05:35] <dsmith_> hahhah
[05:35] <genefitz> I actually even under stand about every fifth word she says..
[05:35] <holycow> the multiplier effect is working in ubuntu, new users train more new users
[05:35] <cje> jbaerbock, We are working on a documentary film to help other Windows noobs get excited about FOSS.
[05:35] <holycow> but too many too quickly is bad
[05:36] <zimmo> Ubuntu is the RONALDO phenomenom of computers
[05:36] <holycow> so just keep on helping each other, bring a new person onboard here and there adn the compound effect of that will eventually win
[05:36] <jbaerbock> cje lemme know if there is ever any help you need with it, ima a noob but one who lives and breathes linux
[05:36] <holycow> the important thing is NOT TO FORCE it
[05:36] <holycow> let people naturally ease into it at their own comfort level
[05:36] <dsmith_> nope, I dont force linux on anyone
[05:37] <intelikey> never force things,  just use the bigger hammer
[05:37] <jbaerbock> I have a friend who I gave a Kubuntu CD and said try it
[05:37] <cje> jbaerbock, yes, we do need help.
[05:37] <holycow> lol
[05:37] <jbaerbock> he now has a cheap laptop with it on, so im trying
[05:37] <dmuser> Can anyone tell me if there's a way to disable the error I get when I run a program from terminal.  Trying to detect my nonexistant Wacom tablet?
[05:37] <genefitz> JBaer I just tried the newet Fedora live, But I will never use Fedora. I have this issue with anyone who says "We can't give you the restricted codecs, and we won't tell you where you can get them, learn to use .ogg"
[05:37] <dsmith_> i typically wait until they cannot access windows no longer and use a linux recovry cd or start them out new after windows crashed on them hard
[05:37] <jbaerbock> Oh anyone know how to make Firestarter window go to tray instead of staying minimized in bar?
[05:38] <intelikey> dmuser yes you can remove the wacom device listings in the /etc/X11/xorg.conf file
[05:38] <jbaerbock> yeah really
[05:38] <cje> jbaerbock, here is the link to our footage:  http://archive.org/details/digitaltippingpoint
[05:38] <dmuser> Just comment them out?
[05:38] <dmuser> Then restart X?
[05:38] <cje> jbaerbock, we could use help with transcription, music, rough edits, lots of stuff.
[05:38] <intelikey> dmuser sure,   but get the whole "device sections"   and also the referances to them in the "server section"
[05:39] <cje> holycow, you, too, if you are pumped by Ubuntu, why not help us make a movie about it?  The Digital Tipping Point is the name of the film.
[05:39] <holycow> cje: whos makin it?
[05:39] <intelikey> dmuser it's simple  have a look and you'll see.     if you need help pastebin the .conf and we'll help ya with it
[05:39] <cje> holycow, we have a small community.
[05:40] <cje> holycow, me and a few friends.
[05:40] <holycow> whats the point of the film if you dont mind me asking?
[05:40] <genefitz> cje, I bookmarked your page. I will have to look through it after I get off duty in the morning..
[05:40] <jbaerbock> ok im taking a peak at it now cje
[05:40] <cje> genefitz, thanks!
[05:40] <dmuser> paste....bin??
[05:41] <genefitz> cje, what kind of help would you need? I mean, I can offer some of my knowledge, maybe evensome screenshots and screen videos
[05:41] <genefitz> I am always about helping new folks "see the light"
[05:42] <intelikey> freedom is not free   but neither is it given nor taken away.
[05:42] <cje> genefitz, thanks, there are lots of things that we need help with:  rough video editing; transcriptions; music; fundraising, etc.
[05:42] <genefitz> I am by no means an expert, but I know my way around...lol
[05:43] <stoned> I wanna grow up and be a modem
[05:43] <genefitz> Cje, I can definately help out with music. I am even using a 64 Studio system..
[05:43] <cje> genefitz, Our goal is to help people find what they love to do with FOSS and find a place for them in the film doing it.
[05:43] <holycow> thats an interesting approach
[05:43] <holycow> the joy of linux
[05:43] <intelikey> stoned i had a cusin that grew up and became a chair
[05:44] <stoned> really
[05:44] <holycow> actually
[05:44] <stoned> wow
[05:44] <holycow> the joy of freedom
[05:44] <holycow> seeing people express them selves through gnu
[05:44] <cje> genefitz, the thing to do is to email me at einfeldt at gmail dot com and we can discuss it further.  Or we can also discuss it here.
[05:44] <genefitz> holycow, that is how you are going to spread the message. I mean telling them "It's free" won't really do a whole lot, unless you can show them that as well as being free, it is also fun and useful..
[05:44] <cje> genefitz, what we really need most is people to do rough edits on the footage that we have.
[05:44] <genefitz> Got it copies.. I will try to e-mail in the morning..
[05:45] <holycow> genefitz: indeed
[05:45] <holycow> joy is a powerfull point
[05:45] <cje> genefitz, k, see ya!
[05:45] <holycow> free isn't so much, unless perhaps its the 'free speech part'
[05:45] <cje> holycow, yeah, it it ain't fun, no one will do it.
[05:45] <genefitz> Well, I am no video expert, but I may be able to do a little. I haven't messed too much with the video side..
[05:45] <holycow> but that requires proper framing
[05:45] <cje> genefitz, it's easy.  It's just cut and paste.
[05:46] <cje> genefitz, We use kino for simple rough edits.  It's really easy.
[05:46] <cje> holycow, no, no framing.
[05:46] <genefitz> Cool,  have Keno on my 64 studio rig too.. I try not to do too much high end work in a 32 environment..
[05:47] <cje> holycow, With the rough video editing, we just need people to take out the nose picking and the farting and other gaffes.
[05:47] <genefitz> I just find that 64 runs so much smoother
[05:47] <cje> holycow, that is super simple.
[05:47] <Dr_Willis> save those for the bloop ers at the end
[05:48] <cje> Dr_Willis, no, no nosepicking for out-takes.  heh.
[05:48] <dmuser> genefitz: Are you running an Intel or an AMD system?
[05:48] <RamSeize> dsds
[05:48] <cje> Dr_Willis, we will have out-takes, and there are already out-takes up there.
[05:48] <genefitz> dmuser, AMD only baby.. Experience has tought me well, Intel is great for gaming, but when it comes to Studio and A/V, AMD is the only way to go...
[05:49] <cje> intelikey, hey, I think that would be great.
[05:49] <intelikey> cje the nose picking clips ?
[05:49] <cje> intelikey, we are totally cool with people doing whatever they like with the stuff we *put up on the web*
[05:49] <cje> intelikey, no nose-picking, though, please.  heh.
[05:50] <intelikey> yeah.  now cje is confused
[05:50] <genefitz> The difference between the two is that the em64t setup for intel is not as good as the true 64 bit in the AMD chips.. If that makes sense..
[05:50] <Biovore> boogers for the win.. just the image you need for linux :-P
[05:50] <cje> intelikey, seriously, people do some wild shit on camera and they trusted us, and so we can't screw them.
[05:50] <cje> Biovore, lol !!
[05:51] <genefitz> Hmmm, did I pis dmuser off?
[05:51] <genefitz> piss even
[05:51] <intelikey> cje you want someone to cut those parts out,  i said i can just imagine someone doing that and then making one whole clip with nothing but the things they cut....     so you see what i was saying....
[05:51] <genefitz> Okay dmuser, I was worried I might have upset you....lol
[05:52] <intelikey> looks like dmuser's xorg.conf edit "took"
[05:52] <cje> intelikey, yeah, you were suggesting stirring up some serious shit !!  lol
[05:52] <genefitz> dmuser, I use both intel and AMD, each in their place, my standard use desktop, intel, my notebook, intel, my studio, I only use AMD
[05:52] <intelikey> cje no just saying i can imagine it.....  and this croud is a likely place to find it...
[05:53] <holycow> cje: i bookmarked it but i don't really have time to chip in
[05:53] <holycow> i'm waaaaay behind
[05:53] <holycow> cool idea tho
[05:53] <cje> holycow, thanks anyway!
[05:53] <holycow> :)
[05:53] <cje> holycow, maybe you can mention us to others.  And thanks either way.  it's just a gift for the community.  Lots of video.
[05:54] <holycow> i will now that i know about it
[05:54] <holycow> cje: have you thought about submitting it to reddit, digg and slash?
[05:54] <holycow> its gratuitous but its such a good cause its well worth the stab
[05:54] <cje> holycow, we have been on /.
[05:54] <holycow> making sure good netiquette is taken into account
[05:54] <genefitz> Intelikey, the xorg configuration is the only bother I have with these systems.. I am a wide screen fanatic, and it becomes a bother..
[05:54] <holycow> cje: really? SWEET
[05:55] <cje> holycow, +1 !
[05:55] <genefitz> I am still working on getting my dual screens working in the studio..
[05:56] <genefitz> I haven't gotten quite that far in my lessons yet...
[05:56] <intelikey> genefitz yeah,  they did pretty good at getting a generic config that "most" people can use out of the box.    ubuntu is very "just get them to linux" oriented
[05:56] <holycow> genefitz: same sized monitors + nvidia card + twinview?
[05:56] <zimmo> nowadays is there something on Internet ?
[05:56] <holycow> if you only have two i can send you my xorg.conf file
[05:56] <zimmo> in the past it was neworder.box.sk
[05:56] <zimmo> knowledge i say
[05:57] <zimmo> interesting stuff
[05:57] <intelikey> genefitz then they count on us "the user community" to support the new bee Z
[05:58] <intelikey> seems like a political move   but maybe it is working     idk.
[05:58] <zimmo> and does anybody know a good programming site
[05:58] <zimmo> c
[05:59] <genefitz> Holycow, 2-24" wide (acer) 7900GS
[05:59] <intelikey> there is a #C++ here on freenode  you can check there
[05:59] <holycow> genefitz: want my xorg.conf?
[05:59] <genefitz> dmuser, I am not registered, so I can's do private messages..
[05:59] <zimmo> ok
[05:59] <genefitz> Sure Holycow
[06:00] <genefitz> It would be beautiful to be able to use dual monitor for studio 64
[06:00] <holycow> http://pastebin.ca/640156
[06:00] <genefitz> Ardour would be awesome..
[06:01] <holycow> the unindented lines under 'device' section is all you need to add and restart
[06:01] <holycow> providing its an nvidia card
[06:01] <zimmo> then do I need to enter in the freenode network?
[06:01] <holycow> obviously you need nvidia-glx
[06:01] <zimmo> oh, this is freenode i guess
[06:01] <intelikey> zimmo yes it is
[06:01] <stoned> yes
[06:01] <stoned> yes it is
[06:01] <zimmo> sorry
[06:01] <stoned> you better be
[06:01] <stoned> I mean
[06:02] <stoned> oops typo, the keys are all next to each other
[06:02] <stoned> i meant ok np
[06:02] <genefitz> Cool, holycow, I will have to check that with mine and see how it goes...
[06:02] <genefitz> Thanks a lot bro
[06:02] <holycow> sure
[06:02] <stoned> hey you have a cool name
[06:02] <stoned> holycow
[06:02] <stoned> hehe
[06:02] <stoned> Whoah! Holy Cow!
[06:02] <holycow> *burp*
[06:02] <stoned> hehe
[06:02] <holycow> my manners suck tho
[06:02] <intelikey> stoned hmmmm my keys are all seperate from each other   with like some space between them ya know....
[06:02] <holycow> -_-
[06:02] <genefitz> Well yall, I got to go get myself all uniformed up and all military looking for watch (you know how they want us all pretty like)
[06:03] <stoned> yayayaya
[06:03] <genefitz> Talk to yall later..
[06:03] <stoned> ya'll
[06:03] <stoned> man i aint heard that since i moved up north
[06:03] <genefitz> Peace!
[06:03] <stoned> aint nobody says ya'll up here
[06:03] <intelikey> shalom!
[06:03] <stoned> i hear that a lot
[06:03] <stoned> i work in a jewish neighbourhood
[06:03] <stoned> never seen so many jews in my life man
[06:04] <stoned> 2nd largest jewish population in the world
[06:04] <stoned> where I work
[06:04] <stoned> i've seen/met maybe 1 jewish guy before i moved
[06:04] <stoned> its crazy, this place have every country and every race and every religion in it
[06:04] <intelikey> you must be in NYc
[06:04] <stoned> yessir
[06:05] <intelikey> tov
[06:05] <stoned> what?
[06:05] <intelikey> good
[06:05] <stoned> haha
[06:05] <stoned> omg
[06:05] <stoned> I just felt something funny tickle me
[06:05] <stoned> I looked and i found a piece of green budd in my belly button
[06:05] <stoned> hehehe
[06:06] <zimmo> take care
[06:06] <intelikey> zimmo
[06:06] <stoned> nite
[06:06] <dmuser> Time for sleep.  Thanks for everyone's help.
[06:06] <intelikey> dmuser
[06:07] <stoned> does ubuntu hire people for work?
[06:07] <stoned> I want to work for ubuntu tech support
[06:07] <stoned> if they pay good enough because i am very qualified
[06:07] <holycow> well clearly
[06:08] <holycow> with pot growing out of your belly button
[06:08] <holycow> who could pass that opportunity up?
[06:08] <stoned> well which is besides the point
[06:08] <holycow> >_<
[06:08] <stoned> I know my shit.(excuse the swearing)
[06:08] <holycow> i keeeeeeed i keeeeeeeed
[06:08] <stoned> ;)
[06:08] <stoned> i know i know
[06:09] <stoned> thats all i do everyday for work
[06:09] <stoned> linux and computers of all sorts
[06:09] <holycow> how many ubuntu machines you run?
[06:09] <holycow> or linux in general
[06:09] <stoned> 7
[06:09] <stoned> personal machines
[06:09] <stoned> AC bill is high
[06:10] <stoned> its too hot in here
[06:10] <flaccid> well besides a few bugs i upgraded to gutsy and my problem was fixed after removing those bugs. weird....
[06:11] <stoned> holycow: how many do you run
[06:11] <holycow> 30
[06:11] <stoned> for work?
[06:11] <stoned> not in your home you don't
[06:11] <holycow> by end of year will be 70 by end of year after that 150
[06:11] <holycow> work
[06:12] <stoned> yeh
[06:20] <cje> Well, it seems like the rest of the US west coast is quiting, and so I'm gone, too.  G'nite!
[06:20] <intelikey> cje
[06:20] <Scorpaen> hey intelikey
[06:21] <intelikey> Scorpaen
[06:21] <cje> intelikey, yes..... ?
[06:21] <Scorpaen> my custom kernel keeps messing up my hard drives. lol
[06:21] <Scorpaen> i'm back on the default kernel, generic
[06:21] <Scorpaen> weird
[06:21] <intelikey> Scorpaen yeah.   hmmm
[06:21] <intelikey> cje you said "G'nite!"   i answered
[06:22] <cje> heh
[06:22] <lunar-raven> !pidgin
[06:22] <ubotu> pidgin is the new name for Gaim forced by AOL's legal dept. It wasn't released in time for Feisty. Expect it in gutsy. See http://www.pidgin.im/index.php for more info.
[06:24] <intelikey> i wouldn't use gaim if you gave me aol
[06:24] <intelikey> or aim
[06:25] <zimmo> pidgins runs not here
[06:25] <zimmo> stdc++ library problem
[06:26] <intelikey> ya wanna try ta fix it or not ?
[06:29] <zimmo> maybe
[06:29] <zimmo> its late here i am tired my head aches
[06:29] <zimmo> but lets try
[06:29] <zimmo> synaptic first?
[06:30] <intelikey> zimmo konsole
[06:30] <intelikey> lets see what errors you get
[06:30] <zimmo> its in Deutsch
[06:30] <zimmo> but i will try to translate
[06:31] <zimmo> ok?
[06:31] <intelikey> k
[06:31] <tk> I seem to have broken sudo :(
[06:31] <intelikey> sudo apt-get install gaim   (or pidgin depending on version)
[06:32] <intelikey> tk    sudo echo boo
[06:32] <zimmo> i had downloaded the source
[06:32] <zimmo> and now i have connection problem
[06:32] <zimmo> i will tell you the error wait a min
[06:32] <tk> intelikey: nothing... I renamed my primary account... hijinks ensued...
[06:32] <intelikey> zimmo ok  did it build without errors ?
[06:32] <zimmo> yes
[06:32] <tk> guessing I have to reboot into recover mode and update sudos conf?
[06:33] <zimmo> it opens normally but when I try to connect with the MSN it advices error
[06:33] <zimmo> with this library moment
[06:33] <intelikey> tk reboot but not update sudoers  rather add the user to the admin group
[06:33] <zimmo> sorry
[06:33] <tk> ahh ok
[06:33] <tk> thanks
[06:33] <zimmo> it is a problem with the SSL library intelikey
[06:34] <zimmo> but i did have downloaded all them!
[06:34] <intelikey> zimmo hmmm  ok that makes more sense
[06:34] <zimmo> sorry hehe
[06:35] <intelikey> i'm not very familear with ssl certs so i'll defer on that one,  to anyone more qualified
[06:35] <intelikey> even my dog
[06:35] <yuri_z> key does anyone here know where kmail/kontact stores the filter settings?
[06:35] <zimmo> ah
[06:35] <zimmo> but anyway i can try to download it by gaim
[06:35] <zimmo> apt-get install gaim
[06:35] <zimmo> and it will deliver the pidgin here?
[06:36] <intelikey> zimmo yes it should
[06:36] <zimmo> ok
[06:36] <zimmo> pidgin is nice
[06:37] <zimmo> i liked when gaim adviced me when someone was blocking me hehe
[06:37] <intelikey> yuri_z i'd have to guess,  but a good guess would be in ~/.kde/share/apps/[kontact,kmail] 
[06:37] <zimmo> but further i realized it was a ms bug
[06:37] <yuri_z> alright, i'll check it out thnx, intelikey
[06:38] <hitmanWilly> yuri_z: it would be under kmail's settings, kontact just acts as a frontend for its various apps
[06:39] <intelikey> hitmanWilly i suspected that but with kde you never know,   unless you know, and then you know.      you know ?
[06:40] <hitmanWilly> intelikey: very rarely, but in this case im 95% sure :)
[06:40] <intelikey> oh my that sounded more like stoned than me...
[06:40] <intelikey> :)
[06:41] <yuri_z> keke. the reason i ask is because i have about a trillion Thunderbird mail filters and don't want to have to punch them into Kmail by hand. so i figured i'd find the rules file, check out the format and hack some kind of script to convert between
[06:42] <intelikey> yuri_z indeed
[06:42] <zimmo> intelikey
[06:42] <intelikey> hey
[06:43] <zimmo> via apt-get arrived gaim
[06:43] <zimmo> hehe
[06:43] <tk> intelikey: thanks, fixed it :)
[06:43] <zimmo> not pidgin oneeeeeeeee man
[06:43] <intelikey> tk welcome
[06:43] <zimmo> hahahaha
[06:43] <zimmo> OoOh
[06:43] <hitmanWilly> yuri_z: ok, i found it, try .kde/share/config/kmailrc
[06:43] <zimmo> well, i have to thank you
[06:43] <zimmo> beautiful work of you all.. nice place to learn and teach
[06:43] <yuri_z> much obliged, hitmanwilly
[06:43] <intelikey> zimmo gaim and pidgen are the same app under a different name
[06:44] <zimmo> :)
[06:44] <zimmo> ah
[06:44] <zimmo> i see
[06:44] <intelikey> !pidgen
[06:44] <intelikey> !pidgin
[06:44] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about pidgen - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:44] <zimmo> ops!
[06:44] <ubotu> pidgin is the new name for Gaim forced by AOL's legal dept. It wasn't released in time for Feisty. Expect it in gutsy. See http://www.pidgin.im/index.php for more info.
[06:44] <zimmo> ah ok
[06:45] <intelikey> "pidgin is the new name for Gaim" ^
[06:45] <zimmo> well, have a good night (or a nice day anyway)
[06:45] <intelikey> :)
[06:45] <intelikey> tov yom
[06:46] <zimmo> ah
[06:46] <zimmo> the ideia is that only the name changed
[06:46] <zimmo> I am so lazyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy
[06:47] <zimmo> tov yom
[06:48] <yurimxpxman> what audio codec would I use in VLC to create a wav file?
[06:49] <intelikey> codec in vlc ???    lost me there...
[06:49] <intelikey> i thought vlc did wave without any codecs
[06:50] <yurimxpxman> intelikey: I have to select a codec from the list.. check it out from the open file dialog
[06:53] <klobster> how do I change my color from 16 bit to 32 bit without restarting kde?
[06:54] <intelikey> oooops  that's   alt+sysRQ+R    not   alt+sysRQ+E   to reset the keyboard,,,,  ;S
[06:57] <ubuntu__> is anyone familiar with sdl/openGL and g++?
[07:00] <intelikey> who had me in vlc acting like i knew something ?
[07:01] <intelikey> when i pressed the wrong key and affectively rebooted my system ???
[07:01] <intelikey> and forgot why i was looking for a wave file....
[07:02] <ubuntu__> are there any good irc channels on linux game programming?
[07:02] <intelikey> and   ?????? ??? ???? ?
[07:02] <intelikey> ubuntu__ what kind of game ?
[07:02] <ubuntu__> 3d game programming
[07:03] <ubuntu__> openGL
[07:05] <intelikey> i think the network died.
[07:05] <ubuntu__> my computers die
[07:05] <ubuntu__> im on my 35th comp
[07:06] <root_> !avi
[07:06] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[07:09] <ubuntu__> is multi media going to help a game developer?
[07:10] <ubuntu__> or aspiring one, as i am
[07:10] <ubuntu__> gnite
[07:39] <dolemite01> how can i get ntfsclone to force an image on a drive with a few bad sectors
[07:39] <dolemite01> i tried --force but no luck
[07:40] <hitmanWilly> dolemite01: you could try with dd
[07:40] <dolemite01> can ill google that one, thx
[07:40] <hitmanWilly> dolemite01: man dd works too :)
[07:44] <dolemite01> can i make it do .iso instead of .dmg ?
[07:45] <atl> is there an alarm i can get that will play my music for the alarm sound
[07:47] <stdin> atl: you can set kalarm to run a command that plays a sound
[07:48] <atl> how do i do that
[07:49] <stdin> atl: depends on the format of the audio file
[07:50] <atl> stdin> what format do they need to be
[07:51] <hitmanWilly> dolemite01: since iso is an uncompressed format, it should work
[07:51] <stdin> atl: any format, the command will differ with each though. for instance "aplay" will work with .wav and "mpg123" will work with .mp3
[07:52] <hitmanWilly> dolemite01: just change the of= to <filename>.iso
[07:56] <atl> stdin>  they are mp3 files
[07:57] <atl> stdin> i have kalarm and have tried setting a song to play but it just doesn't make any sound
[07:57] <stdin> atl: then the command will be something like "mpg123 /home/user/music/file.mp3"
[08:11] <Xemanth> is KDE4 Beta1 packaging in action? :)
[08:11] <stdin> Xemanth: ask Riddell
[08:12] <Xemanth> i c
[08:12] <stdin> he's the one that would package/maintain it in kubuntu
[08:13] <Xemanth> i know
[08:13] <Xemanth> from him comes always the good stuff :)
[08:14] <stdin> I'd think as soon as the beta's released there will be kubuntu packages within hours
[08:17] <fiyawerx> !mythtv
[08:17] <ubotu> MythTV is a TV framework for Linux - Instructions for using with Ubuntu at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MythTV
[08:20] <atl> stdin> what would mp4a be
[08:21] <atl> stdin> m4a i mean
[08:22] <stdin> atl: I think ffmpeg plays it, with the command "ffplay"
[08:30] <alibaba> good mornig
[08:30] <Gun_Monkey> evening
[08:30] <Gun_Monkey> almost morning here
[08:31] <hamadooo> hii .. how can i deal with rar files in ubuntu
[08:32] <bastid_raZor> unrar file
[08:32] <Gun_Monkey> I believe there is a linux version of winrar
[08:33] <bastid_raZor> unrar would be the package name
[08:33] <hamadooo> ubrar free     or unrar
[08:33] <stdin> !rar | hamadooo
[08:33] <ubotu> hamadooo: rar is a non-free archive format created by Rarsoft. For instructions on accessing .rar files through the Archive Manager view https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FileCompression. There is a free (as in speech) unrar utility as well, see !info unrar-free
[08:34] <hamadooo> which one of them
[08:34] <hamadooo> the free one or the non-free
[08:38] <stdin> hagabaka: try the "unrar" package
[08:38] <keisangi> hi there
[08:38] <keisangi> i have a problem with compiz-fusion
[08:38] <keisangi> i have no windows borders
[08:38] <holycow> thats common, same here
[08:38] <keisangi> someone can help ?
[08:39] <keisangi> what can i do ?
[08:39] <holycow> i don't know the answer, i just turned it off for the time being
[08:39] <stdin> did you install "compiz-kde" ?
[08:40] <keisangi> stdin: yes i think so the line was:
[08:40] <keisangi> apt-get install compiz compiz-kde compizconfig-settings-manager compiz-fusion-plugins-extra libcompizconfig-backend-kconfig
[08:40] <keisangi> using this repo:
[08:40] <keisangi> deb http://download.tuxfamily.org/3v1deb feisty eyecandy
[08:41] <keisangi> maybe my nvidia driver is too old ?
[08:41] <stdin> don't know, maybe the people in #ubuntu-effects will
[08:41] <keisangi> i try there tnx for the info
[08:54] <sx66> how do you install opera in linux?
[08:57] <keisangi> sx66: you use automatix or you go to opera homepage and you download it
[08:58] <sx66> I have downloaded the ubuntu one, and now what do I do keisangi?
[08:59] <bob> Greets, everyone...
[09:00] <bob> Can someone tell me where I might find the latest open ATI driver that supports AIGLX?
[09:01] <stdin> sx66: you downloaded the deb file?
[09:01] <keisangi> yay
[09:01] <stdin> bob: no ati driver supports aiglx
[09:02] <keisangi> i got my window borders
[09:02] <bob> stdin: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RadeonDriver
[09:03] <stdin> bob: the open-source driver does, not the binary one
[09:04] <bob> stdin: That's why I said "*open* ATI driver" ;-)
[09:04] <stdin> bob: then you have it installed
[09:04] <bob> stdin: The one from the repos isn't the latest
[09:05] <stdin> bob: then you'll have to wait until it comes out (in gutsy), either that or compile it yourself
[09:06] <bob> Right. I'm trying to find the source so I can compile it myself. Google's not helping much.
[09:07] <stdin> bob: http://xorg.freedesktop.org
[09:08] <bob> stdin: Thanks
[09:16] <Ahmuck> is scp built into konq?
[09:17] <Hobbsee> Ahmuck: use fish://
[09:17] <Hobbsee> Ahmuck: and then you can point and click to copy files
[09:18] <Hobbsee> Ahmuck: fish://user@hostname.com
[09:18] <Ahmuck> now that is awesome
[09:20] <ardchoille> Ahmuck: scp is provided by the package openssh-client
[09:20] <Ahmuck> k, how bout ssh?  can i do that through terminal?
[09:20] <ardchoille> same
[09:20] <stdin> Ahmuck: actually you can use "sftp://" for scp
[09:20] <kraut> moin
[09:20] <ardchoille> sftp is provided by openssh-client too
[09:20] <Ahmuck> what does scp stand for ?
[09:20] <ardchoille> sceure copy
[09:21] <ardchoille> *secure
[09:21] <stdin> fish:/ is just a wrapper around ssh, not really needed anymore
[09:21] <ardchoille> Think: secure "cp"
[09:24] <Ahmuck> so sftp will work ... good deal
[09:24] <stdin> yeah, it'll be a bit quicker and have less overhead too
[09:24] <Ahmuck> i don't need an external ssh client do i?
[09:25] <stdin> no, the ssh client is installed by default
[09:25] <Ahmuck> will kterm or konq do this ?
[09:25] <stdin> and the KIO slaves should be too
[09:27] <stdin> Ahmuck:  sftp://username@host in konq or ssh user@host in konsole (or any terminal)
[09:27] <bob> stdin: I'm having some trouble finding the driver on that site. I gave a very thorough look over the Radeon wiki ( http://xorg.freedesktop.org/wiki/radeon ) as well as all the pages it links to and turned up nothing. Any ideas?
[09:30] <stdin> bob: hmm, maybe ask in #xorg ?
[09:31] <bob> stdin: Thanks
[09:31] <hangthedj> wow linux takes forever to compile.
[09:32] <stdin> what, the kernel ?
[09:32] <pag> hangthedj, no. not 'forever' - kernel itself takes about 6-8 hours on modern computer iirc ;)
[09:33] <hangthedj> your right, forever is much longer.
[09:35] <ardchoille> 6 - 8 hours?!
[09:35] <alibaba> hello
[09:35] <pag> hello
[09:36] <alibaba> someone can tell how to play dvd-s in kaffeine, i'm fresh in this
[09:36] <pag> ardchoille, that was just a guess - I recall that KDE compiled in about that time, I'm not sure about kernel at all
[09:36] <pag> !dvd | alibaba
[09:36] <ubotu> alibaba: For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss2" can be found at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - Try k9copy (available in !Universe) for backing up DVDs
[09:36] <stdin> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/PlayingDVDs
[09:36] <alibaba> rright now ! :)
[09:37] <ardchoille> pag: Depends on which kernel, number of mudoles in the config, machine speed, etc.
[09:37] <stdin> pag: took about 1.5 hours on a 1.7GHz with 1GB ram
[09:37] <pag> ok. nice to know for the future reperence :)
[09:37] <stdin> that was without X etc running tho :p
[09:38] <pag> reference even
[09:38] <hangthedj> its actually going fast enough, its an old dual p3 733mhz 1 gig of ram
[09:38] <hangthedj> but on my new lappy it was considerably faster ;)
[09:38] <phoenixz> How can I access a windows share from kubuntu?
[09:39] <stdin> phoenixz: open konqueror and put smb:/ as the address
[09:39] <pag> !samba | phoenixz
[09:39] <ubotu> phoenixz: samba is is the way to cooperate with Windows environments. Links with more info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently and http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/windows-networking.html - Samba can be administered via the web with SWAT
[09:41] <phoenixz> thanks
[09:42] <salvinod> is there any one online please
[09:42] <phoenixz> stdin, gives me "Unable to find any workgroups in your local network. This might be caused by an enabled firewall."
[09:42] <salvinod> cause i need some help on seting up a samba file server
[09:43] <phoenixz> stdin, I have no firewall running though
[09:43] <stdin> phoenixz: is the windows firewall active on the windows PCs ?
[09:44] <phoenixz> stdin, good one.. let me try
[09:44] <stdin> salvinod: maybe look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SettingUpSamba
[09:44] <phoenixz> stdin, it seems to work with adding the computers IP after the smb:/
[09:46] <salvinod> stdin: look i installed the server its up and running and shared the folders from kubuntu but now whene i try to acess the shares from a windows box its asking me for a user and pass and i dnt know what they are and frm where i can set them up
[09:46] <_Shade_> how do i set up a preview option for sound files in konqueror?
[09:47] <stdin> salvinod: Add users who can access your shares with the 'smbpasswd' command
[09:47] <salvinod> k
[09:48] <stdin> _Shade_: View  Preview  Sound files
[09:49] <stdin> salvinod: you have to reload samba after, sudo /etc/init.d/samba reload
[09:50] <iarwain_> hiya, anyone know why i can't play music from my /media/sda3 partition?
[09:51] <pag> iarwain_, can you play it from elsewhere?
[09:51] <iarwain_> pag: from windows i can play it
[09:51] <_Shade_> stdin: ok it works... but it seems i can't use it where the files are located directly on my desktop... any idea?
[09:51] <pag> iarwain_, but not in linux?
[09:52] <iarwain_> pag: no, i can't play it from linux
[09:52] <pag> !mp3 | iarwain_
[09:52] <ubotu> iarwain_: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[09:52] <iarwain_> pag: i can play mp3 etc from my other partitions but just not from my sda3 partition :)
[09:53] <pag> oh... which FS is sda3?
[09:53] <iarwain_> ext3
[09:53] <Ahmuck> can you run a terminal session out of konq ?
[09:53] <iarwain_> ;o update
[09:53] <pag> iarwain_, hmm starnge... do you have read-rights there?
[09:54] <iarwain_> pag: i can play music from that partition, but not the songs that i downloaded in windows with frostwire
[09:54] <iarwain_> pag: that path is /media/sda3/Shared with read-write settings
[09:54] <pag> iarwain_, are they .mp3's or .wma / .aac ?
[09:54] <jenny_> Hmm, I'm wonderin whats goin on that for some reason different windows min on their own. Any ideas as to what could be goin on?
[09:55] <iarwain_> pag: mp3's
[09:56] <iarwain_> pag: what also could be important, is that i can't read the meta-data from the file
[09:56] <stdin> _Shade_: not really
[09:56] <pag> iarwain_, check the output of  file /path/to/mp3/that/doenst/play
[09:57] <iarwain_> pag: sda3/Shared/Madness - One Step Beyond.mp3: data
[09:58] <pag> iarwain_, it should be something like "music/a/ABBA - Waterloo.mp3: Audio file with ID3 version 23.0 tag, MP3 encoding"
[09:58] <johan__> !dvd johan__
[09:58] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about dvd johan__ - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:58] <iarwain_> pag: how can i change it? because it is a correct file xD
[09:59] <gumjo> hello how do I check that I have the latest nvidia driver and how do I know Im using it?
[09:59] <johan__> !me being a stupid bot johan__
[10:00] <johan__> hmm
[10:00] <pag> iarwain_, it's starnge, since file output is right in 90% of cases - the thing that confuses me the most, is that they play in win.
[10:00] <pag> !dvd | johan__
[10:00] <ubotu> johan__: For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss2" can be found at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - Try k9copy (available in !Universe) for backing up DVDs
[10:01] <Hobbsee> !uuid
[10:01] <ubotu> To see a list of your devices/partitions and their corresponding UUID's, run this command in a !shell:  blkid  (see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LibAtaForAtaDisks for the rationale behind the transition to UUID)
[10:01] <salvinod> stdin: still nothing happened after i reloded samba
[10:01] <johan__> pag, thanks ;)
[10:01] <salvinod> stdin: and the settings on the site you gave me are for gnome envierment i am using kde
[10:02] <stdin> salvinod: it should be the same, except replace "gksu" with "kdesu" and "gedit" with "kate"
[10:03] <[ifr0g] > Morning, guys :)
[10:03] <iarwain_> pag: so how can i let them play in linux?
[10:03] <pag> iarwain_, if I knew I'd tell you, but sorry I'm really out of ideas
[10:04] <salvinod> stdin: i cant find a way to set it up dnt know and i need it cause i got plenty of important files on this computer and i need to share them to a windows machine
[10:04] <iarwain_> pag: np's xD gonna try throwing them around the partition
[10:04] <iarwain_> pag: thx though :)
[10:04] <johan__> I've been spending 7 hours on trying to get my dvd to work but haven't had any success. I've installed all the neccesary packages and applications, It just won't work.
[10:04] <johan__> Could anyone help me?...
[10:05] <johan__> What would be the same in Kubuntu for this: "Press System  Preferences  Removable Drives and Media and click on the Multimedia tab."
[10:05] <stdin> salvinod: I'm not a samba expert, I just use the "public file server" applet for kicker
[10:05] <thomas_> hello people
[10:05] <johan__> In the Command box under Video DVD Discs, type gxine -S dvd:/ (without quotes) and then press Close.
[10:07] <salvinod> k if there is a samba user over here plese contact me cause i am in desperate help
[10:08] <johan__> stdin: can I bother you for a sec :)
[10:08] <stdin> depends what you want :p
[10:09] <johan__> hehe
[10:09] <johan__> Well, it's the dvd playback that doesn't work
[10:09] <johan__> I've tried it everything
[10:09] <stdin> have you installed the dvd packages?
[10:09] <johan__> I have
[10:09] <stdin> which ones?
[10:10] <johan__> libdvdcss2, libdvnav4, libdvdplay0, libdvdread3
[10:10] <johan__> stdin: https://help.ubuntu.com/7.04/musicvideophotos/C/video.html#video-dvd
[10:11] <stdin> johan__: what happens when you try to play a dvd?
[10:11] <Schmiddy> hi
[10:11] <pag> hi Schmiddy :
[10:11] <johan__> The xine engine failed to start. No input plugin was found
[10:12] <DjDarkman> does someone know how to make microphone work in skype or anywhere else?
[10:12] <johan__> and then a message saying "Read error from /dev/dvd
[10:13] <stdin> johan__: what application?
[10:14] <keisangi> is it possible in kde to make alt-tab working with all windows from all workspace (even the minimizen ones) ?
[10:15] <keisangi> i don't like default kde behaivor .. i would like to be able to switch to any windows using alt-tab
[10:15] <stdin> it does
[10:16] <stdin> I see minimised windows in alt-tab
[10:17] <keisangi> stdin: and windows from other workspace too ?
[10:17] <stdin> no, but I wouldn't have it in another workspace if i wanted to switch between it and an app in the same workspace
[10:18] <keisangi> i don't like this
[10:19] <keisangi> i would like to have firefox maximized on it's own workspace
[10:19] <keisangi> konversation same
[10:19] <keisangi> and a term same
[10:19] <combo> can some1 tell me what is KDED? i have these errors   http://wklej.org/id/a7a570860f   is this something dangerous ? (i don't mean bad device, but this error little later) :/
[10:19] <keisangi> and when i hit alt-tab, i would like to be able to switch from one app to another
[10:20] <stdin> !kdesu | combo
[10:20] <ubotu> combo: In KDE, use  kdesu  to run graphical applications with root privileges when you have to. Do *not* use  sudo <GUI application> ; you can muck up your permissions/config files. For what to use in GNOME, see !gksudo
[10:20] <combo> stdin: what is kdesu? is this aything instead sudo ?
[10:20] <combo> oh, ubotu explained everything :)
[10:20] <atl> are there any download accelators fro Ktorrent
[10:20] <[ifr0g] > combo, kdesu is a graphical sudo :)
[10:20] <stdin> atl: that doesn't make sense
[10:21] <combo> [ifr0g] : i see :) THX a lot :)
[10:21] <atl> oops download accelerators
[10:22] <[ifr0g] > atl, huh ? ktorrent are for torrents.
[10:23] <atl> with the kazaa program there is a download accelerator that makes the download go faster
[10:24] <combo> but the last question: why this difference - why programmers changed 'sudo' to 'kdesu'?
[10:24] <stdin> atl: you can't "accelerate" p2p downloads other than have more sources
[10:24] <combo> :)
[10:24] <se7en^Of^9> which command do i use to find files?
[10:24] <pag> se7en^Of^9, locate :)
[10:25] <stdin> combo: read what ubotu said, sudo is for command line tools, kdesu is for GUI tools
[10:25] <se7en^Of^9> thanks
[10:25] <stdin> se7en^Of^9: or "find" :)
[10:25] <combo> stdin: ok ;P
[10:25] <se7en^Of^9> find is only for folder or
[10:28] <DjDarkman> does someone know how can I enable my microphone?
[10:28] <combo> crap! what now?! 'ERROR: No database available!'   http://wklej.org/id/c3a37e4e0e   another error :/ isn't it ?
[10:28] <combo> this time i made it with 'kdesu'! :] 
[10:28] <pag> combo, try kdesu kate /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[10:29] <combo> pag: ok
[10:29] <johan__> stdin: gxine
[10:29] <johan__> 0.5.11
[10:29] <stdin> johan__: tried in kaffeine ?
[10:29] <johan__> yup
[10:29] <combo> pag: works :)
[10:29] <stdin> johan__: any errors there?
[10:30] <johan__> First, "The source can't be read"
[10:30] <johan__> then, "No plugin found to handle this..../dev/dvd"
[10:31] <combo> pag: by the way - do u have same thing that u don't have kWrite in kMenu (down left corner)? cuz i've been searching and there is no kwrite application :] 
[10:31] <stdin> johan__: how did you try to run it?
[10:31] <combo> pag: but kWrite works, i guess :)
[10:31] <pag> combo, looks like I don't
[10:31] <johan__> opened koffeine and there "Play DVD"
[10:32] <combo> pag: ok, thx for answer, it means everything is fine ;)
[10:32] <stdin> johan__: try opening konsole and put in "kaffeine dvd://dev/dvd"
[10:32] <johan__> same error message
[10:33] <stdin> johan__: post everything in konsole to pastebin
[10:33] <johan__> pastebin?
[10:33] <stdin> !pastebin
[10:33] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[10:36] <johan__> stdin: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/32000/
[10:38] <stdin> johan__: looks like you don't have libdvdcss2
[10:40] <johan__> I'm positive I installed it...
[10:40] <johan__> couldn't find it in the adept manager now though...
[10:40] <stdin> "libdvdread: Encrypted DVD support unavailable."
[10:40] <stdin> it's not in the normal repos
[10:41] <johan__> awright...
[10:41] <stdin> johan__: what version of kubuntu do you have?
[10:42] <johan__> stdin: the latest
[10:42] <stdin> feisty?
[10:42] <johan__> hehe, How do I check?
[10:43] <stdin> johan__: lsb_release -c
[10:43] <johan__> yup feisty
[10:43] <johan__> a question...how do you know all these comands..?
[10:43] <johan__> amazing
[10:43] <stdin> because I just do :p
[10:43] <stdin> I've used them all a lot
[10:44] <johan__> I see :)
[10:44] <stdin> ok, to install libdvdcss2, open konsole (if it's not open) and put in: wget http://seveas.theplayboymansion.net/seveas/pool/feisty-seveas/extras/libdvdcss2_1.2.9-0.0ubuntu6_i386.deb
[10:45] <stdin> johan__: then: sudo dpkg -i libdvdcss2_1.2.9-0.0ubuntu6_i386.deb
[10:45] <stdin> should work then
[10:46] <Prophezy> stdin , do you know what the problem is, when a program not start when you click on it?
[10:46] <stdin> Prophezy: what program?
[10:47] <Prophezy> i want to start my KnetworkManager
[10:47] <Prophezy> but nothing happens when i click on it
[10:47] <stdin> try running it in konsole, that should tell you why it's not working
[10:48] <Prophezy> what is the comando to run itfrom there?
[10:48] <stdin> Prophezy: knetworkmanager :)
[10:48] <x89x> can anoyne help me with my video drivers ??
[10:48] <Prophezy> stdin just knetworkmanager?
[10:48] <stdin> yep
[10:49] <Level15> hey
[10:49] <stdin> x89x: help how?
[10:49] <x89x> stdin can you help ?
[10:49] <iarwain_> Level15: hiya
[10:49] <stdin> ^ preempted
[10:49] <Level15> good, thx.
[10:49] <Prophezy> stdin nothing happens
[10:49] <Level15> does anyone know a channel for doxygen questions? #doxygen is empty...
[10:49] <x89x> stdin : i got a via chipset. its K8M890. i want the drivers. i found 1 link
[10:49] <Prophezy> i got only my @ promp
[10:50] <x89x> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/OpenChrome
[10:50] <x89x> i do i install it ?
[10:50] <stdin> Prophezy: nothing at all?
[10:50] <johan__> stdin: I got an error trying to do that dpkg stuff
[10:50] <iarwain_> Level15: i don't even know what doxygen is xD is there nothing on UF? or don't they have a forum?
[10:50] <Prophezy> stdin nothing
[10:50] <stdin> johan__: what error?
[10:50] <Level15> what is UF? :P
[10:50] <iarwain_> Level15: ubuntuforums (types easier)
[10:50] <Prophezy> when i only type KnetworkManager it says command not found
[10:51] <johan__> in Swedish saying database locke by another process
[10:51] <johan__> locked
[10:51] <stdin> x89x: yeah, you just follow the instructions
[10:51] <Level15> iarwain_: oh, i see... well, my question is not so much as to how to install/use it but something more like to user's experience and best bractices...
[10:51] <johan__> stdin: dpkg: statusdatabasomrdet r lst av en annan process
[10:51] <stdin> johan__: have adept open?
[10:51] <johan__> :D
[10:51] <x89x> stdin ; after the instruction "Start the real fun" what do i do ??
[10:51] <iarwain_> Level15: oh :) perhaps google for it? that's my best guess xD
[10:52] <stdin> Prophezy: try "killall -9 knetworkmanager ; knetworkmanager"
[10:52] <Prophezy> Johan i think you have more than one adept open
[10:52] <Level15> yeah, i guess...
[10:52] <iarwain_> x89x: follow the commands :)
[10:52] <stdin> x89x: see the "For K8M890 chipset, alternatively run " part ?
[10:52] <Prophezy> stdin no process was killed
[10:52] <stdin> hmm
[10:53] <Prophezy> stdin its installed and everything
[10:53] <Prophezy> but cant click on it
[10:53] <iarwain_> Prophezy: do you type in KnetworkManager, or knetworkmanager?
[10:54] <Prophezy> knetworkmanager
[10:54] <iarwain_> Prophezy: 'cause linux is case sensitive :)
[10:54] <Prophezy> oki i will try
[10:54] <iarwain_> Prophezy: oh xD
[10:54] <iarwain_> Prophezy: knetworkmanager is correct xD
[10:55] <Prophezy> oki
[10:55] <SoRcS> how to star this file /usr/local/bin/lvs.elf
[10:55] <Prophezy> nothing happens :(
[10:55] <iarwain_> Prophezy: are you sure it is installed? just to check it :)
[10:55] <SoRcS> how to star this file /usr/local/bin/lvs.elf
[10:55] <bob_> Can anyone give me some help with compiling the ATI driver?
[10:55] <stdin> !repeat | SoRcS
[10:55] <ubotu> SoRcS: Don't feel ignored and repeat your question quickly; if nobody knows your answer, nobody will answer you. You can search https://help.ubuntu.com or http://wiki.ubuntu.com while you wait. Also see !patience
[10:56] <Prophezy> iarwain yes in the adept-manager it says Installed :P
[10:56] <pag> SoRcS, sudo chmod +x /usr/local/bin/lvs.elf && /usr/local/bin/lvs.elf   maybe?
[10:56] <stdin> SoRcS: make sure /usr/local/bin is in your path and type "lvs.elf"
[10:56] <iarwain_> Prophezy: strange.. Can you try a reinstall? (of knetworkmanager, not kubuntu)
[10:56] <Prophezy> iarwain oki i will try :)
[10:57] <iarwain_> Prophezy: or, if you're in konsole, try auto-completing 'knet' without the ''
[10:57] <iarwain_> Prophezy: if it completes, you have it (if it doesn't, you either don't have it, or don't have auto-tab enabled)
[10:58] <Prophezy> iarwain, what is the comando for auto-completing?
[10:58] <iarwain_> Prophezy: hit TAB
[10:59] <stdin> hit it twice if it doesn't auto-compleat, there may be more than one thing starting with "knet"
[10:59] <x89x> stdin : whats the difference between openChrome and 3D & openChrome and 2D ??
[11:00] <stdin> x89x: one is only for 2D graphics and the other is for 3D
[11:00] <Prophezy> display all the 1842 possiblities?
[11:00] <Prophezy> yes?
[11:00] <iarwain_> Prophezy: wth xD you have 1800+ possibilities for knet* ?
[11:01] <iarwain_> Prophezy: type in 'knet', then hit TAB twice
[11:01] <x89x> stdin : what do i install tehn ?? both ?
[11:01] <Prophezy> iarwain i dont know it says so :D
[11:01] <Prophezy> oki
[11:01] <stdin> x89x: of you want
[11:01] <iarwain_> Prophezy: that's a big lol if you'd have 1800+ things installed with knet as name
[11:01] <x89x> can both be done stdin ?
[11:02] <Prophezy> iarwain i got knetattach & knetworkmanager
[11:02] <iarwain_> Prophezy: aight! type in knetw then TAB :)
[11:02] <stdin> x89x: yes, you have to have the 2d one before the 3d one. but it should work on edgy without compiling it
[11:02] <Prophezy> wow
[11:03] <Prophezy> i got alots of things :P
[11:03] <Level15> AscendedDaniel: you wouldn't happen to be an SG1 fan, woud you?
[11:03] <iarwain_> Prophezy: lol xD don't hit TAB without typing anything xD type 'knetw' first, then hit TAB xD
[11:03] <Prophezy> no i type knetworkmanager and TAB
[11:04] <iarwain_> Prophezy: no, that's not necessary :)
[11:04] <stdin> then it will list all the files in the directory
[11:04] <Prophezy> stdin yes :P
[11:04] <iarwain_> Prophezy: just type in knetworkmanager, and hit enter
[11:04] <Prophezy> iarwain done but nothing happens
[11:05] <Prophezy> just stand at my @ prompt
[11:05] <iarwain_> Prophezy: no output of the command?
[11:05] <iarwain_> Prophezy: damn :s
[11:05] <Prophezy> nothing
[11:05] <Prophezy> :(
[11:05] <iarwain_> Prophezy: well, i just tried it aswell, i don't get anything either
[11:05] <iarwain_> Prophezy: hit ALT-F2
[11:05] <Level15> Prophezy: in a konsole, sudo apt-get install knetworkmanager
[11:05] <iarwain_> Prophezy: then type in knetworkmanager
[11:05] <Prophezy> hihihi f ah pro like you dont get .... damn think of me .. lost in Kubuntu space :P
[11:06] <iarwain_> Prophezy: it should give you an icon, meaning that the command is found :)
[11:07] <Prophezy> iarwain : the knetwork is already new
[11:07] <Prophezy> after that no more
[11:07] <iarwain_> Prophezy: type in knetworkmanager after hitting alt-f2
[11:08] <iarwain_> Prophezy: normally that should give you an icon
[11:08] <iarwain_> Prophezy: then hit enter, and it would start
[11:08] <Prophezy> iarwain when i click on run it dissapeared
[11:09] <Level15> Prophezy: open a konsole, at least we can see there if you get an error
[11:09] <Level15> open a konsole, then type knetworkmanager, hit enter
[11:09] <iarwain_> Level15: already tried that, no output xD
[11:09] <Level15> tell us what happens
[11:09] <Prophezy> already done it
[11:09] <Level15> iarwain_: so command IS found, i guess...
[11:09] <Prophezy> nothing happens
[11:09] <Prophezy> it stand at my @ only
[11:10] <Level15> maybe it's already running and sitting on the tray...
[11:10] <iarwain_> Level15: it is installed etc but it just won't start
[11:10] <Prophezy> iarwain nothing happen in alt+f2
[11:10] <Prophezy> level15 nothing on the tray
[11:10] <Level15> weirdo...
[11:10] <Prophezy> mmm
[11:11] <Level15> well, but when you ran it on the konsole, you didn't get a "command not found" msg or anything like that, did you?
[11:11] <Prophezy> that i got
[11:11] <Prophezy> command not found
[11:12] <Level15> well, then it's obviously not installed
[11:12] <Level15> let's try install it using the konsole
[11:12] <Level15> maybe there's something broken on your adept
[11:12] <Prophezy> in the adept manager it says installed
[11:12] <Prophezy> oki
[11:12] <Prophezy> but we tried it before
[11:12] <Level15> humor me :)
[11:13] <Prophezy> and it says i got the newest one already
[11:13] <Prophezy> lol
[11:13] <iarwain_> say Prophezy, is it not possible that the icon is already there, but you don't recognize it?
[11:14] <Prophezy> iarwain .. wher in the menu ?
[11:14] <Prophezy> i have the icon in the menu , but nothing happens when i click on it
[11:14] <Level15> Prophezy: do you want to try on the konsole ?
[11:14] <iarwain_> Prophezy: i mean the task bar, on the lower right
[11:14] <stdin> Prophezy: try right clicking it
[11:15] <combo> always i have 1 available update - but when i'm clicking at Adept Manager it tells me that another proccess use update - and all the time like this ... how can fix it ? :|
[11:15] <Prophezy> iarwain no notihing is there just my gaim and battery and sound
[11:15] <[ifroog] > Is there ssh on the dvd live cd.
[11:15] <Prophezy> nothing more
[11:15] <pag> !fixadept | combo
[11:15] <ubotu> combo: If Adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole:  sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a 
[11:15] <Prophezy> and trash
[11:15] <johan__> stdin: Where do I find the libdvdcss package..?
[11:15] <[ifroog] > erroe 15 : file not found
[11:15] <pag> johan__, Seveas / medibuntu repos
[11:16] <Prophezy> level15 try konsole ?
[11:16] <[ifroog] > when i do find /boot/grub/stage1 !
[11:16] <Level15> Prophezy: ok
[11:16] <ninHer> hi all
[11:16] <stdin> johan__: that file you downladed was it
[11:16] <[ifroog] > any idea why ?
[11:16] <Level15> Prophezy: on the konsole, type in sudo aptitude install knetworkmanager, paste the output on a pastebin
[11:17] <iarwain_> Prophezy: gtg, hope you get it worked out ;)
[11:17] <iarwain_> bb guys!
[11:17] <combo> pag: where should i write '!fixadept' ? :)
[11:17] <Prophezy> iarwain thanks for the time ;)
[11:17] <pag> combo, you should write the command ubotu gave to you ;)
[11:17] <stdin> combo: open konsole and put in "sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a "
[11:17] <combo> ah, okok :)
[11:18] <Prophezy> Level 15 o upgrade, 0 installed, 0 removed all 0
[11:18] <Prophezy> i have the newest installed
[11:18] <johan__> stdin: I got an error trying what you said
[11:18] <Level15> Prophezy: which knetworkmanager
[11:19] <combo> - there is an error with 'clamav-base' - as i remember i've tried install it via Automatix and it didn't work then (some error)
[11:19] <stdin> johan__: what error?
[11:19] <johan__> stdin: "no such file or directory"
[11:19] <johan__> cannot reach the archive
[11:19] <stdin> johan__: type in "ls *.deb" and post that
[11:19] <Prophezy> Level15 what you mean with Which knetworkmanager?
[11:20] <stdin> Prophezy: type that in to konsole
[11:20] <Level15> Prophezy: enter that in the konsole, tell me the output
[11:20] <Prophezy> Level15 : /usr/bin/knetworkmanager
[11:21] <combo> YES! it was 'clamav-base; package - it's not full updated - and it was the problem. should i remove at all if it doesn't want to update?
[11:21] <johan__> stdin: ls: *.deb: No such file or directory
[11:22] <janet_> can anyone tell me a gui way to delete some unneeded entries out of my grub boot list?
[11:22] <stdin> johan__: type in: wget http://seveas.theplayboymansion.net/seveas/pool/feisty-seveas/extras/libdvdcss2_1.2.9-0.0ubuntu6_i386.deb
[11:22] <Level15> Prophezy: ok, it's there...
[11:22] <Level15> Prophezy: ps ax|grep knetwork
[11:22] <stdin> johan__: then: sudo dpkg -i libdvdcss2_1.2.9-0.0ubuntu6_i386.deb
[11:22] <combo> janet_: e.g. sudo kate /boot/grub/menu.lst
[11:22] <Prophezy>  ps ax|grep knetwork
[11:22] <Prophezy>  5411 ?        S      0:00 knetworkmanager [kdeinit] 
[11:22] <Prophezy>  7233 pts/1    R+     0:00 grep knetwork
[11:23] <Level15> it's running... man, i bet it's on the tray
[11:23] <janet_> i just need to delete a few entries in the grub boot list
[11:23] <Prophezy> Level15 i dont see any on tray
[11:23] <janet_> AND THEN YOU JUST DELETE THEM AS ROOT AND SAVE?
[11:23] <janet_> oops sorry caps
[11:23] <combo> janet_: yes
[11:23] <janet_> darn caplock
[11:23] <Level15> Prophezy: maybe hidden?
[11:23] <Prophezy> i got sound, gaim, skype battery , clock and trash
[11:23] <combo> janet_: but first better buckup that file :)
[11:24] <stdin> janet_: just remove the packages, or they'll come back
[11:24] <Prophezy> Level15 how can i se hidden things?
[11:24] <Level15> Prophezy: is there like an arrow on the left side of the tray? if so, you click it and it shows some other stuff...
[11:25] <janet_> i have a dual boot with xp and ubuntu, i want my boot list to only offer thoughs 2 not the other 4 or five that are in trhere
[11:25] <Prophezy> Level15 no  arrow, thats not diffrent from windows
[11:25] <janet_> can i delete the others from that list?
[11:25] <stdin> janet_: just remove the "linux-image-(version)" packages from adept
[11:25] <Prophezy> tahts why its so wierd
[11:25] <Level15> Prophezy: pkill knetworkmanager
[11:26] <Level15> then retry the ps ax... thing
[11:26] <janet_> is there not a gui to edit your boot list?
[11:26] <pag> janet_, well.. kate is a GUI programm ;)
[11:26] <Prophezy> Level15 same results
[11:27] <janet_> but u need to manually do it with kate
[11:27] <nicolai_> janet_: The file you're looking for is: /boot/grub/menu.lst
[11:27] <Level15> killall -9 knetworkmanager
[11:27] <janet_> meaning you could screw up
[11:27] <Prophezy> prophezy@prophezy:~$ killall -9 knetworkmanager
[11:27] <janet_> im editing it with kate
[11:27] <Level15> nicolai_: he wants a GUI app
[11:27] <Prophezy> knetworkmanager: no process killed
[11:27] <janet_> but now what
[11:27] <pag> janet_, so you want to remove extra kernel-lines?
[11:27] <Level15> Prophezy: ps ax|grep knetwo
[11:27] <stdin> janet_: to remove the entries, just remove the "linux-image-(version)" packages from adept
[11:28] <janet_> im trying to get rid of an extra entry for a kernal that is lower than the one above it
[11:28] <Prophezy> prophezy@prophezy:~$ ps ax|grep knetwo
[11:28] <Prophezy>  7254 pts/1    R+     0:00 grep knetwo
[11:28] <Level15> ok
[11:28] <Level15> now
[11:28] <Level15> knetworkmanager
[11:28] <janet_> but can i then just have xp or linux in the start up boot screen?
[11:28] <pag> janet_, so just do as stdin said - no need to edit anything
[11:28] <johan__> stdin: you're great! It works! Hurray!
[11:28] <Level15> janet_: comment the entries you want gone... if you break something up, you can uncomment them later
[11:28] <nicolai_> janet_: I know mandriva had a GUI for configuring boot back when I ran that distirbution.
[11:29] <Level15> Prophezy: results?
[11:29] <Prophezy> Level15 yes!! now i got the tray
[11:29] <Level15> Prophezy: good
[11:29] <pag> nicolai_, won't work in automatic-list (the one kernels are listed)
[11:29] <stdin> johan__: no problem, enjoy the Sopranos :p
[11:29] <Prophezy> Level15 but
[11:30] <Prophezy> its says alot of bad device????
[11:30] <Level15> Prophezy: but?
[11:30] <Level15> on the konsole?
[11:30] <Prophezy> yes
[11:30] <janet_> do i remove both images ? 15 and 16?
[11:30] <johan__> stdin: haha cheers
[11:30] <janet_> in adept
[11:30] <Prophezy> can i pasteit here?
[11:30] <Level15> Prophezy: nope...
[11:30] <Prophezy> oki
[11:30] <pag> !baddevice | Prophezy
[11:30] <ubotu> Prophezy: If you are receiving an error similar to "X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 168", it can be safely ignored. If you want to get rid of the error messages then please visit this page: http://seerofsouls.com/wiki/How-Tos/BadDeviceErrors
[11:30] <Level15> Prophezy: not if it's too long
[11:30] <Level15> oh
[11:30] <Level15> X error
[11:30] <Level15> ah
[11:31] <Prophezy> oki but does it eans my network dont work??????????????????????????
[11:31] <nicolai_> janet_: what are the entries you want removed called?
[11:31] <Level15> Prophezy: paste it on a pastebin, let me check it, ok?
[11:32] <janet_> linux-image kernal 15 and its recovery
[11:32] <Prophezy> Level15 where can i find the pastebin?
[11:32] <Level15> google :)
[11:32] <Prophezy> lol
[11:32] <Prophezy> oki i though ubuntu have its own or someting
[11:32] <Prophezy> oki
[11:32] <janet_> it does
[11:32] <pag> !pastebin | Prophezy
[11:32] <ubotu> Prophezy: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[11:32] <Level15> Prophezy: if it does, i don't know it
[11:34] <janet_> should i remove though adept or kate menu.ist?
[11:34] <stdin> adept
[11:34] <janet_> k
[11:34] <janet_> here goes
[11:34] <Prophezy> Level15 http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/32009/
[11:34] <Level15> Prophezy: oh yeah, X errors, nevermind about them...
[11:35] <janet_> i remeber about 10 years ago there was a small gui that you could change the list , its order and names
[11:35] <janet_> use to be simple
[11:35] <Prophezy> Level15 oki
[11:35] <Level15> Prophezy: network should be fine
[11:35] <janet_> trying a log out brb
[11:36] <Prophezy> Level15 yes i see that i have 2 networks .. Ethernet and wreless
[11:37] <Level15> Prophezy: yes... knetworkmanager is nice, and works for most network configurations... but not for mine :(
[11:37] <Prophezy> Level15 not for you?
[11:37] <Prophezy> hehe
[11:37] <Level15> Prophezy: nope... I had to install and use the gnome thingy
[11:39] <Prophezy> Level15 can you answer this question, if the diffrent from all Unbuntus is only the desktop , gnome, kde and x (something). why not only build one Ubuntus??????
[11:40] <Level15> Prophezy: i guess HD space and desktop application integration issues
[11:40] <Prophezy> Level15 oh i c
[11:42] <Prophezy> Level15 well thanks alot for your time and help, now my network works great and i will take lunch, my super Guru ;)
[11:42] <Level15> Prophezy: no problem
[11:42] <Level15> :)
[11:42] <paines> hi
[11:42] <pag> !hi | paines
[11:42] <ubotu> paines: Hi! Welcome to #kubuntu!
[11:42] <Level15> lol
[11:42] <Level15> !hi | Level15
[11:43] <Level15> :P
[11:43] <Level15> Prophezy: lol
[11:44] <undbund> any girls
[11:44] <combo> how can i install JRE for firefox? i've a;ready downloaded file but can't install it with any guide :/
[11:45] <Level15> undbund: lol...
[11:45] <pag> !offtopic | undbund
[11:45] <ubotu> undbund: #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[11:45] <Level15> combo: you mean for the plugins to work?
[11:45] <combo> Level15: yes, yes :)
[11:45] <combo> Level15: java
[11:45] <undbund> ok
[11:45] <Level15> combo: firefox usually installs it for you when you visit a website which requires it... didn't that work?
[11:46] <undbund> yes same problems as combo, can't install firefox
[11:46] <combo> Level15: - let's see....
[11:46] <undbund> says some library is missing
[11:46] <undbund> libc....
[11:46] <Level15> undbund: let me se if i can solve combo's problem, then i'll try to help you...
[11:47] <ermak> hello, can anyone help me to configure bluetooth PAN? after modification of configuration files and restarting bluetooth service I get error: "Failed to connect to the SDP server."
[11:47] <combo> Level15: can u gimme ANY site that requires java plug-in, please ? :)
[11:47] <Level15> dslreports.com/stest
[11:47] <pag> combo, are you running 64bit system?
[11:47] <combo> pag: yeap
[11:47] <Level15> there's a java option there
[11:47] <Level15> oh
[11:48] <Level15> combo: should have said that before...
[11:48] <pag> !flash64 | combo
[11:48] <ubotu> combo: You can run Flash, Real, and Java plugins in AMD64 bit computers with Firefox. see the steps to follow at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FirefoxAMD64FlashJava
[11:49] <Level15> combo: basically, on amd64 if you want to use flash or java plugins natively, you will have to use a 32 bit firefox or a 32 bit helper application
[11:49] <Level15> konqueror, on the other hand, will handle java fine since it does not depend on the plugin but the JRE which IS available for 64 bits...
[11:49] <_Shade_> i've just mounted the ntfs partition, where windows is installed, but i cannot access my user directory (there's no such folder in konqueror)
[11:50] <Level15> undbund: now, what's that err msg you are getting?
[11:50] <combo> Level15: crap! but i'm just checking out the link that ubotu gave me... maybe i'll find there something usefull :)
[11:50] <undbund> ./firefox-bin: error while loading shared libraries: libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[11:50] <Level15> combo: what i did was download a 32 bit netscape 9 and i use it when some website needs flash... and konqueror for java
[11:51] <Level15> undbund: 7.04?
[11:51] <undbund> sorry don't understand
[11:51] <undbund> hat is
[11:51] <undbund> what is 7.04
[11:51] <Level15> undbund: kubuntu version
[11:52] <undbund> 6.06 LTS
[11:52] <combo> Level15: so u suggest to download Firefox 32bit install it and then download all needed plug-ins ? :)
[11:52] <[ifroog] > installation stops at grub HELP !!
[11:52] <[ifroog] > t is a fatal error executing grub-install (hd0) failed
[11:52] <pag> undbund, why don't you install from repositories?  sudo apt-get install mozilla-firefox
[11:52] <combo> Level15: and when KDE4 will be available ? :D
[11:53] <Level15> combo: that could work, yes... though i'm using this netscape because it runs on a single dir so you don't mess up the rest of your OS
[11:53] <Level15> undbund: let me check something here...
[11:53] <undbund> ok
[11:54] <Level15> undbund: install package libgtk2.0-0
[11:54] <Level15> undbund: i guess that should work
[11:54] <undbund> Package mozilla-firefox is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[11:54] <undbund> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[11:54] <undbund> is only available from another source
[11:54] <undbund> E: Package mozilla-firefox has no installation candidate
[11:54] <Level15> combo: dunno, it's they say it'll be on october but i think november is more likely
[11:55] <combo> Level15: so cool :D also can't wait :)
[11:55] <Level15> undbund: did you get that when you tried to install the libgtk thing?
[11:55] <Level15> combo: yeah, nice!
[11:55] <DjDarkman> I can hear myself on the mic, does someone know what else do I have to do, to make my mic work with skype?
[11:56] <nicolai_> combo: KDE 4.0 is released october 23rd
[11:56] <Level15> DjDarkman: i know it sounds stupid, but is the volume set to a reasonable value?
[11:56] <undbund> when i tried to install firefox it said.... ./firefox-bin: error while loading shared libraries: libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[11:56] <Level15> nicolai_: they are supposed to, but they are a couple of days behind schedule...
[11:56] <combo> nicolai_: good to know :)
[11:57] <DjDarkman> yes Level15 as I said, I can hear myself, but when I try testcall then nothinh
[11:57] <[ifroog] > Any one ?
[11:57] <x89x> can anyone help me with zydas drivers ??
[11:57] <Level15> undbund: no, the error of broken package
[11:57] <DjDarkman> I had to compile a few alsa stuff to even hear myselft....
[11:57] <Level15> DjDarkman: oh, sorry, i didn't read correctly
[11:58] <undbund> ok give me 2 min...
[11:58] <x89x> an anyone help me with zydas drivers ???
[11:58] <undbund> Reading package lists... Done
[11:58] <undbund> Building dependency tree... Done
[11:58] <undbund> Package mozilla-firefox is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[11:58] <undbund> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[11:58] <undbund> is only available from another source
[11:58] <undbund> E: Package mozilla-firefox has no installation candidate
[11:59] <Level15> undbund: weirdo... but let me see if i got it straight. you got that running what command?
[12:00] <x89x> Level15 : can you help ?
[12:00] <Level15> x89x: sorry, dunno even know what zydas is :S
[12:00] <x89x> its a wifi driver
[12:00] <undbund> sudo apt-get install mozilla-firefox
[12:00] <Level15> x89x: i'd recommend you take a look at ndiswrapper
[12:00] <x89x> Level15 : i git the intrructions, but i get an error
[12:01] <x89x> Level15 ; https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/zydas_zd1211
[12:01] <Level15> x89x: gimme a sec while i try to solve undbund error, then i'll try to help you
[12:01] <x89x> ok Level15 :)
[12:01] <Level15> undbund: aptitude search firefox
[12:01] <undbund> what is that
[12:02] <Level15> undbund: run that command
[12:02] <Level15> put output on pastebin if you want
[12:03] <undbund> i run the command but i get the same error
[12:03] <Level15> put output on pastebin plz
[12:03] <undbund> what is a pastebin
[12:03] <Level15> a website where you paste text so we can look at it
[12:03] <Level15> google for pastebin
[12:04] <Level15> so that we don't paste long stuff here and annoy others
[12:05] <undbund> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/32013/
[12:05] <Level15> undbund: aptitude search firefox
[12:06] <x89x> Level15 : an update of firefox has just been releases
[12:06] <Level15> x89x: really? ehat version is it now?
[12:06] <x89x> 2.0.0.5
[12:06] <Level15> undbund: output?
[12:07] <Level15> x89x: security exploit patching i guess?
[12:07] <x89x> yes Level15
[12:07] <Level15> dude, they already have 2.0.0.6!
[12:07] <x89x> what  the ! really !
[12:07] <Level15> yup
[12:07] <undbund> give me 1 min...
[12:07] <Level15> undbund: ok
[12:08] <x89x> mine got upgraded to 2.0.0.5 2 mins ago !!
[12:08] <Level15> and now there's firefox ebay edition...
[12:09] <undbund> these packages are currently installed in your computer but they are not avaialable from any apt source
[12:09] <Level15> undbund: please on the pastebin
[12:09] <luca> hi everyone
[12:09] <luca> I have some problems w/ kerry beagle - at boot it seems sometimes to forget to have indexed some files - can someone help me?
[12:09] <x89x> Level15 : how do i identify that i got 3D drivers ?
[12:10] <Level15> x89x: hm, dunno... i guess that depends on what you call 3d drivers... what video card are you using?
[12:10] <Level15> x89x: in the meantime, what's the err msg you get and in what part of the instructions you sent me?
[12:10] <x89x> its a viam K8m890 chioset
[12:10] <undbund> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/32014/
[12:10] <Tenen> hi can anyone help a newbie please
[12:11] <pag> !ask | Tenen
[12:11] <ubotu> Tenen: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[12:11] <Tenen> k thanks :P
[12:11] <Tenen> k i started using ubuntu as my linux but gnome isnt so cool
[12:11] <Tenen> so i switched to kubuntu
[12:11] <Tenen> ive only used ubuntu/kubuntu and the old mandrake years ago
[12:11] <Level15> undbund: did you mess tith the apt sources, did you?
[12:11] <undbund> no
[12:12] <undbund> i just installed kubuntu from live cd
[12:12] <Tenen> my issue is ubuntu picked up my 2 netgear wifi cards no issue using madwifi - netgear wg 311 v 3 and wg 311 t, now kubuntu only picks up the 311v3 and not the 311t , does kubuntu come preinstalled with madwifi?
[12:13] <Tenen> im trying to make kubuntu my main os and drop windows
[12:13] <Level15> undbund: fresh install?
[12:13] <Tenen> but my internet comes thru wifi and if that wont work i wont use kubuntu
[12:14] <pag> !wireless | Tenen
[12:14] <ubotu> Tenen: Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[12:14] <undbund> i will try to install libgtk, if it doesn't work than reinstall
[12:14] <amin81> hello everyone
[12:14] <undbund> how to install debian packages?
[12:15] <amin81> i have problem that I have tried to fix for the past 3 hrs
[12:15] <Level15> undbund: ok
[12:15] <pag> undbund, check taht you have sources enabled
[12:15] <Level15> undbund: let me know
[12:15] <Tenen> but my wifi worked in ubuntu fine , no issue i didnt need to do anything, does kubuntu not use the madwifi drivers?
[12:15] <pag> !repos | undbund
[12:15] <ubotu> undbund: The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[12:15] <Tenen> i knoew hte card works
[12:15] <Tenen> i know it works in ubuntu
[12:15] <undbund> i want to install: libgtk2.0-0_2.10.6-0ubuntu3.1_i386.deb
[12:15] <Tenen> ive used it
[12:15] <nicolai_> Tenen: madwifi is not installed but available in Adept
[12:15] <amin81> i cannot connect to the internet with konversation kopete and bittornado
[12:16] <Tenen> well if my pc is offline how do i get online if i need to be online to get madwifi, i connect to the net through wifi
[12:16] <undbund> how to start installation
[12:16] <pag> !deb | undbund
[12:16] <ubotu> undbund: deb is the Debian package format, also used by Ubuntu. To install .deb files, simply double-click on them (Ubuntu) or right-click and select Kubuntu Package Menu->install (Kubuntu)
[12:16] <nicolai_> Tenen: I can give you the link to the .deb
[12:16] <combo> - is there possibly to have a view in folders set - LIST, like in Windows ? :] 
[12:16] <amin81> when connecting with konversation it says: server found, connecting...
[12:17] <Tenen> nicolai please bare in mind i need step by step instructions im an ewb
[12:17] <amin81> stays like that for approx 5 minutes and then i get the message: connection to server lost. operation not supported
[12:17] <amin81> same message with kopete
[12:18] <amin81> anybody who knows what the problem can be?
[12:18] <[ifroog] > cannot mount selected partition
[12:18] <[ifroog] > when i do setup(hd0)
[12:19] <amin81> i have tried to look up http://mail.kde.org/pipermail/konversation-devel/2004-August/000009.html
[12:19] <Tenen> can anyone help me by getting madwifi to work on kubuntu plz i cant get to the net without rebooting to win xp all the time
[12:19] <amin81> and http://mail.kde.org/pipermail/konversation-devel/2004-August/000009.html
[12:19] <undbund> exit
[12:19] <amin81> without success
[12:20] <luca> Tenen: try this https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Router/Madwifi?highlight=%28madwifi%29
[12:20] <luca> and this https://help.ubuntu.com/community/?action=fullsearch&context=180&value=madwifi&titlesearch=Titoli
[12:21] <Tenen> those help yes, but you are forgetting the machine is offline
[12:21] <Tenen> caus i cant get the wifi connected
[12:22] <Tenen> those all assume you are online
[12:22] <pag> Tenen, download all deb's that are needed and install tehm manually
[12:22] <pag> Tenen, you can download them in windows
[12:22] <amin81> is anybody familiar with my problem?
[12:22] <Tenen> how do i do that
[12:22] <Tenen> im a newb
[12:23] <Tenen> linux makes me get high blood pressure i swear
[12:23] <amin81> same here
[12:23] <amin81> haha
[12:23] <combo>  :: (i'll ask again) :: is there possible to have a view in folder set as LIST, so all folders are small and one under another ???? :] 
[12:23] <nicolai_> Tenen: http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/m/madwifi-tools/
[12:23] <pag> combo, it is
[12:23] <jase__> lol tenan, nice one
[12:23] <combo> pag: how? :)
[12:24] <nicolai_> Tenen: a .deb file is somewhat similar to a .exe file in windows
[12:24] <Tenen> what is that link for nikolai
[12:24] <combo> pag: i've been looking for, but couldn't fine anywhere
[12:24] <amin81> combo: yes
[12:24] <Tenen> so whci hone do i download
[12:24] <amin81> combo: go under view
[12:24] <combo> amin81: so can u tell me how to ? :)
[12:24] <pag> combo, there's an icon "icon view" press and hold it and select detailed view
[12:24] <alesan> hallo
[12:24] <nicolai_> Tenen: the madwifi .deb
[12:24] <pag> !de | alesan
[12:24] <ubotu> alesan: Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[12:24] <amin81> combo: and view mode
[12:24] <amin81> combo: got it?
[12:25] <Tenen> i'd need i386 for normal pentium type machine
[12:25] <alesan> is there a way to set static ip address without using the GUI?
[12:25] <Tenen> before 64 bit right
[12:25] <alesan> pag, sorry, I cannot speak a word of german :(
[12:25] <nicolai_> Tenen: that depends wether you're using a 64-bit architecture or not
[12:25] <pag> alesan, oh. sorry.
[12:25] <alesan> either italian or english :)
[12:25] <nicolai_> Tenen: yeah
[12:25] <Tenen> thanks
[12:25] <amin81> combo: did it work?
[12:25] <Tenen> so i download the .deb
[12:25] <Tenen> then what
[12:25] <pag> alesan, you just have .de domain and "hallo" sounded german
[12:25] <combo> amin81: it doesn't work - this view icon - i'm clicking and nothing happen
[12:26] <nicolai_> Tenen: Then you right click on it in when in kubuntu.
[12:26] <alesan> pag, yes you're right, I work here in germany and they thought me to say hallo instead of hello :)
[12:26] <alesan> so at least I can speak one german word :)
[12:26] <Tenen> man i remember pengo and the chaos computer club and zardoz
[12:26] <Tenen> and altos
[12:26] <amin81> combo: you should change the "view mode" to "info list view"
[12:26] <Tenen> hahah go germany
[12:26] <nicolai_> Tenen: One of the options should be "kubuntu package menu"
[12:26] <alesan> back to my problem, there must be a file to write the ip address and the default gateway
[12:27] <Tenen> caus ive tried to make in the madwifi directory b4 and it errors 2 on me
[12:27] <combo> amin81: but i'm clicking with left mouse button and nothing happen ?
[12:28] <combo> amin81: something should happen after clicking but nothing happened
[12:28] <amin81> combo: hmm...
[12:28] <Tenen> so once i install that deb thing im good to make nicolai?
[12:28] <combo> i'm trying to do this in home directory
[12:28] <Tenen> im going to copy the error text
[12:29] <Tenen> gonna reboot rq
[12:29] <combo> amin81:  in konqurer of corz
[12:29] <amin81> combo: i dunno then...i havnt any problems changing the view mode
[12:29] <nicolai_> Tenen: At least that is what we hope :P
[12:29] <Tenen> and copy text if it dont work so someone can help :P
[12:29] <Tenen> thanks nicolai you been a big help, im gonna come back and bug ya in a few
[12:29] <Tenen> if it dont work or if it do :P
[12:29] <combo> i'll try reboot and then again - maybe this change something :/
[12:29] <Tenen> i wanna get into linux
[12:29] <combo> brb
[12:29] <amin81> combo: ok
[12:29] <amin81> anybody who can help me with my problem?
[12:29] <Tenen> be back in a bit
[12:29] <amin81> i have tried to fix it the past 3 hrs without success
[12:30] <nicolai_> Tenen: see you
[12:30] <_tobias> hi, in my fstab the swap partition has still an entry for /dev/hdax while all others are UUID=.. now after upgrade to feisty swap is unusable. what can i do?
[12:31] <combo> amin81: ok, it works ;) thanks
[12:31] <amin81> combo: good. :) no probs
[12:32] <amin81> anyone plesase heeeeeelp! haha
[12:33] <amin81> i am online on a windows machine and not liking it at all!
[12:33] <amin81> bl
[12:34] <nicolai_> amin81: You need help with what exactly? :P
[12:34] <nicolai_> amin81: installing?
[12:34] <amin81> nicolai_: Finally someone responding. :)
[12:35] <amin81> nicolai_: i cannot connect with kopete, konversation or bittornado
[12:35] <amin81> connect to server that is
[12:36] <Level15> what's a decent FPS for a 3d card?
[12:36] <amin81> nicolai_: the problem started out of the blue a few days back
[12:36] <nicolai_> amin81: But browsers work?
[12:36] <MaTiAz> Level15: It totally depends on the game and the settings
[12:36] <amin81> nicolai_: yes, browsers work without any problems
[12:36] <nicolai_> amin81: otherwise I would guess it was the internet connection :P
[12:36] <_tobias> any help for me, too?
[12:36] <amin81> nicolai_: no, internet connection is fine :)
[12:37] <Level15> MaTiAz: no i don't mean the fps game, i mean frames per second :P
[12:37] <nicolai_> amin81: What kind of connection is it? wireless? college supported?
[12:37] <amin81> nicolai_: no, it is wired
[12:37] <Level15> hey guys, going for lunch
[12:37] <Level15> cya later
[12:38] <amin81> nicolai_: common connection that the whole building uses
[12:38] <amin81> nicolai_: the building that i stay in that is
[12:38] <mumificirani> just a question, when is KDE4 coming out?
[12:39] <mumificirani> if it didn't came out already :\
[12:39] <nicolai_> amin81: I couldn't use Kopete at my university until i switched to "use HTTP method" under the 'connection' tab
[12:39] <amin81> nicolai_: i havnt changed any settings
[12:39] <whyhankee> mumificirani: google on 'roadmap kde4'
[12:39] <amin81> nicolai_: when trying to connect with konversation i get the following message
[12:40] <mumificirani> ok
[12:40] <nicolai_> amin81: No, but someone might have blocked certain IP-addresses (your ISP for example)
[12:40] <amin81> nicolai_: "server found. connecting..." stays like that for approx 5 minutes and then i get the message: "connection to server lost. operation not supported"
[12:40] <nicolai_> amin81: when I said IP-address I meant Port :P
[12:41] <amin81> nicolai_: hmm...so the port can be blocked just suddenly out of the blue?
[12:41] <x89x> do all linux dont support zydas drivers to create an access point ?? or its just ubuntu ?
[12:42] <nicolai_> amin81: Not on your computer, but I guess anyone who provides your connection could do it.
[12:42] <_tobias> hmm..found the reaseon...strangely all /dev/hdXY became /dev/sdXY. is that normal?
[12:42] <amin81> nicolai_: aha
[12:42] <nicolai_> amin81: from the local admin to Internet Service Provider.
[12:42] <nicolai_> amin81: A good way to check would be using a live-cd
[12:43] <amin81> nicolai_: ok, so how do i fix the problem?
[12:43] <nicolai_> nicolai_: since you said the problem started suddenly, if it was a software problem, the live-cd should be unaffected.
[12:43] <amin81> nicolai_: aha
[12:44] <nicolai_> amin81: If it is a problem with the ports, and if it works in windows, you could find what ports windows used and change linux to use the same ports for bittorent and messenging.
[12:44] <amin81> nicolai_: ok, and how do i find the ports and change them?
[12:45] <hebus> hello
[12:45] <x89x>  can anyone help with 3D drivers ???
[12:45] <nicolai_> amin81: How you do anything in windows is something I have happily forgotten :P
[12:46] <x89x>  i cant run a screensaver
[12:46] <x89x>  its a Via S3G graphic adaptor
[12:46] <amin81> nicolai_: haha
[12:46] <amin81> nicolai_: ok, how do i change the ports in linux then?
[12:47] <amin81> nicolai_: do you think my problems will be solved if i get a router?
[12:47] <defcon> i did a benchmark with interbench for 2.6.20-16-generic vs 2.6.22-ck1 CK's Patchset on ubuntu check out the results here http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/32018/ and I dont really understand the output, which is faster ck's or the ubuntu generic and where can I find a better benchmark utility
[12:47] <amin81> nicolai_: i keep having problems with my connection as the internet provider keeps changing the ip-address
[12:48] <nicolai_> amin81: But if you run Konversation, for example, you find the port by going "server list" (f2) -> click a channel -> edit -> port should appear as an option
[12:49] <amin81> nicolai_: aha, got it
[12:49] <nicolai_> amin81: a router would change the scenario, but it might not make the problem easier to solve :P
[12:49] <x89x> can i install bryl on my PC ??
[12:49] <nicolai_> amin81: is it a desktop computer?
[12:49] <x89x> beryl **
[12:49] <amin81> nicolai_: no, a laptop
[12:50] <nicolai_> amin81: if it is a laptop, have you tried taking to a friends house for testing there?
[12:50] <amin81> nicolai_: i will start by getting a router
[12:50] <amin81> nicolai_: lets see if that solves the problem
[12:50] <nicolai_> amin81: Someone not using the same ISP or who lives in a different building.
[12:50] <nicolai_> amin81: ok
[12:51] <nicolai_> amin81: happy bug-hunting :P
[12:51] <amin81> nicolai_: no, I have not
[12:51] <amin81> nicolai_: i have had so many problems with my connection that i am tired of running to a friend's place everytime
[12:51] <amin81> nicolai_: haha
[12:51] <amin81> nicolai_: anyways, thanks alot for your help
[12:52] <amin81> nicolai_: appreciated...
[12:53] <acemo> how do i access my usb floppy drive?
[12:55] <matteo> hi
[12:55] <matteo> a few updates ago the kde theme gets ugly
[12:55] <matteo> with blue window title and cyan K menu
[12:56] <matteo> it's the new color scheme or what?
[12:56] <mumificirani> I have a problem with kcontrol
[12:56] <nicolai_> matteo: light purple is the new blue :)
[12:56] <Riddell> yes, it's the new colour scheme
[12:56] <matteo> yuck
[12:57] <mumificirani> when I run "kcontrol" the terminal opens writes something and writes finished on the titlebar
[12:57] <nicolai_> matteo: the blue window title should also be purple though..
[12:57] <Riddell> thank you for your constructive critisism :)
[12:57] <mumificirani> oh, I got it
[12:57] <mumificirani> ok now nvm
[12:57] <Riddell> please discuss artwork on the ubuntu-artwork mailing list for actual feedback to artists
[12:57] <acemo> how do i access my usb floppy drive?
[12:57] <matteo> well, the previous blue (dark) was better for me
[12:58] <matteo> this remebers me the Plastique style
[12:59] <x89x> how do i enalble desktop effects ??
[12:59] <defcon> how can I benchmark my computer
[12:59] <kfarrell> meep meep
[01:00] <nicolai_> matteo: This is how Feisty is supposed to look:  http://debianadmin.com/copper/displayimage.php?pos=-909
[01:00] <alesan> how can I test if the dhcp server works and is reacheable?
[01:00] <matteo> nicolai_: i have gutsy
[01:01] <matteo> feisty is beauty
[01:04] <mumificirani> feisty IS beautiful
[01:04] <mumificirani> shame I can't use transparency
[01:07] <matteo> can you revert gutsy beauty as feisty?
[01:07] <matteo> honestly, who likes that electric blue?
[01:09] <ekrengel> can evolution be configured for https over rpc?
[01:10] <justifier> hrm  how can i get aRts to work with jack?
[01:12] <MaTiAz> Is there a compiz fusion package for ubuntu?
[01:13] <runlevelten> `/join #opensuse-project
[01:14] <ekrengel> i guess rpc isn't supported in linux
[01:14] <ekrengel> : /
[01:14] <Tenen> god
[01:14] <Tenen> im back again
[01:15] <Tenen> i cannot for the life of me make madwifi install
[01:15] <Tenen> nor could i copy the error log to my windows partition because i dont know how to force it to copy as root
[01:15] <Tenen> how can i install madwifi and force my wifi card to work
[01:15] <Tenen> please help
[01:15] <Tenen> it works in ubuntu 100% no issue
[01:20] <jono_> Does anyone have an idea to what could be the cause behind reocuring segmentation faults (core dumops)
[01:22] <fdoving> jono_: memory corruption? - install and run memtest86+ (it'll appear in your GRUB boot menu)
[01:23] <jono> jono_: could you change your nick please
[01:23] <jono_> jono_ whats makes you more special :P
[01:23] <jono> jono_: I own the nick on nickserv
[01:23] <jono_> hahaha
[01:24] <jono> jono_: I also spend my career online on IRC, so my identity is important
[01:24] <jono> jono_: I would say they are reasonable reasons to ask you to choose a different nick
[01:24] <jono> so as to avoid confusion
[01:24] <jono_> i didn't pick it...it was just assigned by default cause it's my login
[01:25] <jono> jono_: ok, you can change it in your IRC client
[01:25] <fdoving> jono_: you can change it with '/nick newnickname'
[01:25] <jono> or type /nick newnick
[01:25] <AnotherJono> that better
[01:25] <jono> AnotherJono: thanks :)
[01:26] <AnotherJono> i know you can change it...i just didn't think it was a big deal
[01:26] <AnotherJono> i hardly use irc at all
[01:27] <AnotherJono> back to my question...i do have my computer overclocked...but i forced my memory to remain at stock speeds
[01:28] <fdoving> AnotherJono: overclocking does not help, but please check with memtest86+ first.
[01:28] <AnotherJono> i ran memtest and it seamed to be fine...however i get a bunch of notices on boot that my hard drives have errors?
[01:29] <AnotherJono> when ubuntu first loads...that is
[01:31] <nicolai_> Tenen: As a last resort you could install Ubuntu and then install the Kubuntu metapackage.
[01:32] <runlevelten> That was my first resort.
[01:32] <nicolai_> Tenen: Then you would have what made Ubuntu work plus what you like about Kubuntu
[01:33] <Tomi-idle> hey. anyone know solution for compiz fusion freezing (mouse works) under kde log out. gutsy, nvidia, amd64
[01:35] <runlevelten> What do the logs/dmesg say?
[01:36] <Tomi-idle> nothing
[01:36] <Tomi-idle> no errors
[01:38] <Tomi-idle> crashes also when trying to run wow under compiz
[01:38] <Tomi-idle> no problems on feisty, i386 :/
[01:39] <ferry> hello
[01:40] <Tomi-idle> seems it's a driver problem.... guess i'll have to go back
[01:40] <aldin> hi, i want to connect to WEP-ed cnetwork is this ok, cause it doesnt work for me: aldin@linux:~$ sudo iwconfig eth1 essid mynet key s:mykey
[01:44] <der0b> hey all, I installed kubuntu-desktop and have been playing with it.  The fonts in some of the GTK apps (firefox) seem thin and a little hard to read..  is there a fix for this?  I've been tweaking for a while and haven't come across it yet.  I seem to remember things looking much better when I did a straight kubuntu install
[01:49] <aldin> der0b: look go to... Alt+F2 -> kcontrol set your fonts like force '96dpi', after that go to gtkqtstyle and set 'use my kde fonts in gtk apps', logout and see the difference
[01:50] <Silent_G> hello, iv downloaded a program, and it just extracts from a .zip file and works, but i dont want to leave it in my home directory in which directory should it go to ?
[01:51] <aldin> Silent_G: u can put it in /opt
[01:51] <Silent_G> what is /opt for?
[01:51] <aldin> and link ur program to /usr/bin
[01:52] <aldin> Silent_G: i gues optional...
[01:52] <Silent_G> i see
[01:52] <Silent_G> how do i link the programme
[01:53] <aldin> Silent_G: lts say like this
[01:54] <aldin> Silent_G: sudo ln -s /opt/programFolder/myProgram /usr/bin/myProgram
[01:54] <aldin> myProgram is executable file
[01:54] <Silent_G> ok :p
[01:54] <Silent_G> ye
[01:54] <Silent_G> *yes
[01:54] <der0b> will check it out aldin, thanks
[01:55] <aldin> der0b: ok, i can give u screenshot if u wait for sec till i upload it
[01:56] <der0b> will do aldin
[01:57] <aldin> der0b: http://img58.imageshack.us/img58/7589/fontsjj8.png
[01:58] <aldin> der0b: wait till i upload gtkconf...
[01:58] <aldin> der0b: here u go: http://img58.imageshack.us/img58/204/fonts1xe3.png
[01:59] <der0b> thanks again aldin, trying it now.
[02:00] <aldin> der0b: np, i am font "fanfatic" too hehe, glad to meet u hehe
[02:01] <der0b> I think that may have done it..  thanks again
[02:16] <johan__> stdin: you there?
[02:17] <johan__> or maybe someother one who knows what application I need to connect my iPod to my computer
[02:17] <johan__> someone else..* :)
[02:18] <runlevelten> johan__: I install amarok for people with ipods
[02:18] <runlevelten> does the job nicely.
[02:19] <runlevelten> Dunno about putting other stuff on there, I'd have to ask an ipod user.
[02:19] <johan__> runlevelten: I have amorak but It didn't sync with the ipod
[02:19] <johan__> hmm awright
[02:19] <jussi01> !away > noaxess_kubuntu
[02:20] <runlevelten> johan__: gtkpod too, apparently.
[02:20] <runlevelten> From a third party, mind :)
[02:20] <runlevelten> (a chum uses one)
[02:21] <johan__> I'll give it a shot :)
[02:21] <runlevelten> but deffo amarok is tha A1 program
[02:21] <runlevelten> !ipod
[02:21] <ubotu> For information on how to sync and add tracks to your iPod, see the guide at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IPodHowto See !rockbox for information on liberating your iPod
[02:21] <runlevelten> ^
[02:21] <johan__> wow
[02:21] <johan__> Amazing this guy, ubotu
[02:22] <johan__> ;)
[02:22] <runlevelten> Sorry, I should have done that first off johan__, I have too much blood in my caffeine stream right now :D
[02:22] <runlevelten> lol yeah, ubotu's an amazing girl, she's like some kind of machine
[02:23] <johan__> haha yup, go easy on that caffeine man and thanks for you help
[02:23] <johan__> Cheers
[02:24] <jussi01> how does one mount a dvd as udf, not iso9660?
[02:25] <rotem> hi i am trying to open the adept and it sais that the APT Datatbase could not be open. does any one know how to fix it?
[02:25] <johan__> rotem: are you running any other package managinf appl?
[02:26] <rotem> johan: no
[02:27] <johan__> then, beats me. But what do i know...:/
[02:27] <rotem> thanks anywat :)
[02:28] <mike> Greets, everyone...
[02:29] <mike> Could someone give me some help with compiling the open ATI driver? I'm getting some errors that I'm assuming are probably easy to fix, but I'm not sure where to start with working on them.
[02:30] <jase__> odd question, whats the gui that saboyans distro run ?
[02:31] <jase__> and secondly, is it possible to run that effectively on a kubuntu system?
[02:31] <mike> jase__: Are you talking about Beryl?
[02:33] <jase__> yeah
[02:33] <jase__> thats the one
[02:33] <sephiroth9351> hi
[02:34] <mike> jase__: Beryl's "dead" - they re-merged with Compiz. Compiz-Fusion's the resulting project, and yeah, you can run it on Kubuntu
[02:34] <mike> jase__: A guide to building Compiz and Compiz Fusion from GIT: http://forums.opencompositing.org/viewtopic.php?f=51&t=758
[02:34] <jase__> thankyou
[02:34] <runlevelten> jussi01: mount -t <fs type> /device /mountpoint
[02:35] <mike> jase__: That guide looks a little intimidating at first, but it's really easy as long as you follow all the steps to a tee.
[02:35] <mike> np
[02:36] <jussi01> runlevelten: do i need to unmount the dvd first?
[02:36] <mike> jase__: There are other ways of getting CF installed, Trevino's repository being one of them, and while they might be a little more convenient, they tend to be more prone to bugs than building straight from the GIT repository
[02:37] <runlevelten> I would do, yeah. You can remount stuff, but in this case I'd do it cleanly.
[02:37] <runlevelten> ie: cleanly from a user's standpoint, heh
[02:38] <jussi01> runlevelten: ok, stupid game im trying to play wants udf, grrr
[02:38] <runlevelten> what, a windows game?
[02:38] <jussi01> runlevelten: no, linux
[02:38] <jussi01> x-plane
[02:38] <runlevelten> wot one?
[02:38] <runlevelten> oooh I see.
[02:40] <jussi01> runlevelten: remind me of the unmount command....
[02:41] <runlevelten> umount?
[02:42] <MaTiAz> Why is it umount anyway? unmount is just so much more logical IMO
[02:44] <nicolai_> Does anyone know of a guide to make wireless work that can be used on a live-cd for certain?
[02:44] <jussi01> nicolai_: what brand of wireless card
[02:44] <jussi01> ?
[02:45] <nicolai_> Broadcom 4311
[02:46] <jussi01> !broadcomm
[02:46] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about broadcomm - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:46] <jussi01> !broadcom
[02:46] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[02:46] <stdin> you can install the bcm43xx-fwcutter tool on the live session
[02:47] <nicolai_> I hate broadcom. I made sure not to have their hardware in my own laptop, but my dad got a HP from work that just doesn't like Linux.
[02:47] <nicolai_> stdin: I tried but it didn't make the wireless work
[02:48] <runlevelten> MaTiAz: If you want, you can always create an alias for it and have unmount :)
[02:48] <runlevelten> alias unmount=umount in a shell or in your ~/.bashrc will do it
[02:49] <MaTiAz> runlevelten: yeah :)
[02:49] <der0b> is there any way to rename the mounted device icons on the desktop?  I have several samba mounts that read as "Remote Share (//server/share) (share)" on the desktop.  it would be readable if it was just the share name
[02:49] <runlevelten> I use a few aliases. la being the most common :)
[02:50] <rotem> i am writing sudo apt-get autoclean in the konsole and it says: type sudo is not known on line 4. soes anyone have any idea?
[02:50] <mike> nicolai_: How exactly did it not work?
[02:52] <alesan> how do I know which files a package is installing?
[02:52] <runlevelten> It shows you when you install.
[02:52] <runlevelten> use teh apt-get install packagename
[02:52] <alesan> how do I know which files a package has installed then :) ??
[02:52] <genii> rotem: Try:  /usr/bin/sudo apt-get autoclean
[02:53] <runlevelten> apt-cache show packagename | grep epends
[02:53] <mike> alesan: Not sure if Adept has a comparable feature, but in Synaptic, you can right-click any installed package -> Properties and view the installed files
[02:53] <alesan> mike, thanks you very much
[02:53] <mike> alesan: np
[02:55] <wit_> how do i add a printer in kubuntu?
[02:55] <nicolai_> mike: The wireless connection didn't find anything and the computer didn't show any response to having the wireless card activated.
[02:55] <wit> please i need quick help
[02:56] <jussi01> wit_: what kind of printer
[02:56] <wit> i am trying to install a network printer (infotec) i went to their website but it shows the ppd file as text with in konquerer
[02:56] <wit> jussi01: its an infotec on the network
[02:56] <Silent_G> can someone tell me where folders are saved in which directory of a programe installed with Adept?
[02:57] <wit> is there no add printer place ?
[02:57] <jussi01> wit: kmenu -> system settings-> printers
[02:57] <nicolai_> mike: I had already tried several attempts on the normal installation, but I just wanted to check on a live-cd.
[02:57] <nicolai_> I didn't check that throughoutly
[02:57] <wit> jussi01: thanks!
[02:57] <jussi01> :)
[02:58] <mike> nicolai_: On the normal installation, I take it you made sure the wireless card was set to activate on startup?
[03:00] <mike> I wouldn't think installing it on the live cd would work, but stdin knows more about these things than I do.
[03:00] <nicolai_> mike: I just followed one of the guides for installing wireless using ndiswrapper. After that didn't work I removed the blacklist of bcm43xx and installed the bcmfwcutter.
[03:00] <Silent_G> can someone tell me where folders are saved in which directory of a programe installed with Adept?
[03:01] <rotem> genii: it wrights the same error nmassage.
[03:01] <jussi01> Silent_G: what do you need them for?
[03:01] <mike> Silent_G: You mean where the program files of a package are installed to?
[03:01] <Silent_G> yes mike
[03:01] <Silent_G> jussi01, cause i need them :S
[03:01] <jussi01> Silent_G: which program?
[03:02] <Silent_G> PCSX
[03:02] <runlevelten> I have just found out my 2 year old daughter says "oh, bugger".
[03:02] <Silent_G> Playstation Emulator
[03:02] <mike> Silent_G: Not sure how to find out in Adept. It's pretty easy in Synaptic though - right-click any installed package -> Properties -> Installed files
[03:02] <runlevelten> Time to mind what I say, methinks.
[03:02] <mike> nicolai_: You're on the live session now?
[03:02] <genii> rotem: Did you edit recently the file /etc/sudoers    ?
[03:02] <stdin> Silent_G: to see you can click on the "Details" button and click the Installed Files tab
[03:02] <jussi01> runlevelten: lol
[03:03] <Silent_G> btw do someone have a link to a guid about linux directories?
[03:03] <runlevelten> you mean how they're laid out?
[03:03] <BluesKaj> Silent_G, usually, /usr/bin/
[03:03] <runlevelten> !fhs
[03:03] <ubotu> The files and directories on an Ubuntu system are organized according to a standard, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filesystem_Hierarchy_Standard - file permissions are explained at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FilePermissions - All filenames and directory names (and many other things) are case sensitive in Linux
[03:03] <Silent_G> i wanna learn more where things are saved to which directories and things like that
[03:03] <Silent_G> :p
[03:03] <rotem> genii: i have tried to install automatix2
[03:03] <nicolai_> mike: No. I went back to the normal session.
[03:03] <runlevelten> Silent_G: ^^
[03:03] <Silent_G> thanks runlevelten :)
[03:04] <mike> nicolai_: one sec...
[03:04] <nicolai_> mike: If you want, i can do a reboot
[03:04] <runlevelten> np :)
[03:04] <genii> !automatix | rotem
[03:04] <ubotu> rotem: Automatix2 is a script that tries to install some software, and often fails and breaks systems. We don't provide support for it, and we strongly discourage its use. Problems caused by Automatix are often hard to track and solve, and it might sometimes be easier to !install a fresh copy of Ubuntu. See also !WorksForMe
[03:04] <mike> nicolai_: Not yet, hang tight. :-)
[03:04] <stdin> Silent_G: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filesystem_Hierarchy_Standard
[03:04] <Silent_G> yes i read that stdin
[03:05] <Silent_G> but i didnt understand it good
[03:05] <Silent_G> :s
[03:06] <mike> nicolai_: This'll take a minute. heh
[03:06] <rotem> genii: thank you for your help
[03:06] <nicolai_> mike: don't worry. I'm patient :)
[03:08] <stdin> Silent_G: mostly the binaries (program files) are put in /usr/bin and libraries are in /usr/lib, system configuration files go in /etc and users file are in /home
[03:08] <Silent_G> btw can someone explain me the difference beetween /bin /lib , /usr/bin /usr/lib , and /usr/local/bin /usr/local/lib?
[03:08] <runlevelten> Silent_G: what didn't you understand dude?
[03:08] <Silent_G> thats the most thing i cant understand
[03:08] <Silent_G> :S
[03:09] <mike> stdin: Do Run Command -> kdesu kcmshell kcm_knetworkconfmodule
[03:09] <runlevelten> Silent_G: http://www.pathname.com/fhs/pub/fhs-2.3.html
[03:09] <stdin> Silent_G: it all has to do with the fact that different parts of the system were sometimes on different computers, mounted over the network, things in /bin /lib are always local files, things needed to tun the system startup
[03:10] <stdin> mike: ??
[03:10] <rotem> is there a way to install a fresh copy of Kubuntu without loosing my data?
[03:10] <mike> stdin: whoops, sorry
[03:10] <mike> nicolai_: Do Run Command -> kdesu kcmshell kcm_knetworkconfmodule
[03:10] <mike> heh
[03:10] <mike> it's early. :-P
[03:10] <Silent_G> hmmm and is there a directory like window's Programme files where folders of programmes are with the files of that programme?
[03:11] <runlevelten>  /sbin was for absolutely essential binaries that weren't builtins, /bin for the same, but specifically commands, /usr/bin for the rest of (ie most of the binaries on the system)
[03:12] <stdin> Silent_G: no, it's more distributed in linux, all binaries in one place, another place for libraries and another for config files
[03:12] <mike> Silent_G: Executable files are mostly in /usr/bin, libraries that those programs use under /usr/lib, and other program files (textures, icons, documentation, etc.) under /usr/share
[03:12] <mike> Silent_G: That's a generalization, there are other places some of those things might go, but that's the gist of it
[03:12] <slougi> hey all, having some trouble with the flash plugin. konq always locks up for me with any page with flash content, while firefox works fine. any pointers?
[03:12] <mike> from my (limited) understanding, at least
[03:13] <Silent_G> oh ok
[03:13] <mike> nicolai_: still there?
[03:13] <Silent_G> so textures and icons and documents of a program go to /usr/share
[03:13] <Silent_G> hmm
[03:13] <runlevelten>  /opt is deletable.
[03:13] <runlevelten> heh
[03:14] <Silent_G> also , is it true that programmes installed not by the package manager should go to /usr/local instead of /usr ?
[03:14] <stdin> Silent_G: but to see the files installed with a package, in adept click on the "Details" button for that package and click the "Installed Files" tab
[03:14] <nicolai_> mike: I don't think it is necessary. I deleted the 'ndiswrapper' entry in /etc/modules and rebooted. It seems to be working now. I have no idea why, but I'll just do some tests and post the results. :D :D
[03:15] <stdin> Silent_G: not really, but most are :p you can install a program in /usr, it's just "cleaner" to put it in /usr/local
[03:15] <mike> nicolai_: I'm pretty sure that's all you needed, actually. I remember having to do that after installing/uninstalling ndiswrapper then getting bcm43xx-fwcutter
[03:15] <Silent_G> yes thats what im saying stdin  its better to install manual programs not by the package manager in /usr/local right
[03:16] <nicolai_> mike: If it doesn't work I'll be back to bug you, but otherwise thank you for giving me the moral support to keep trying. :)
[03:16] <stdin> Silent_G: or in /opt
[03:16] <mike> nicolai_: hehe, no problem
[03:17] <runlevelten> Silent_G: It mostly depends on the policy of who maintains the file system
[03:17] <Silent_G> ic
[03:17] <runlevelten> in the case of user installed programs, you could see it several different ways and choose to install it in different folders.
[03:17] <mike> it's not like having stuff under /usr/local is any *safer* than having it under /usr/share, right?
[03:17] <jussi01> !u | ic
[03:17] <ubotu> ic: Unless you're Dutch or Flemish, the letter 'U' is not a pronoun.  If you want to be taken more seriously, please bother to type out the extra letters in "you".  The same goes for "why", "because", "anyone", and so on..
[03:18] <jussi01> !u | Silent_G
[03:18] <ubotu> Silent_G: Unless you're Dutch or Flemish, the letter 'U' is not a pronoun.  If you want to be taken more seriously, please bother to type out the extra letters in "you".  The same goes for "why", "because", "anyone", and so on..
[03:18] <runlevelten> You could go with /usr/local or /usr/local/bin, although using /opt is very very tidy and clear.
[03:18] <runlevelten> */usr/local share even
[03:18] <Silent_G> :o
[03:18] <Silent_G> whats that?
[03:18] <Silent_G> O_o
[03:20] <Silent_G> alsa when you have a folder like .xchat or .amsn in the home directory is it a link to another place or is just the programe's data for that user?
[03:21] <mike> Silent_G: The latter
[03:21] <runlevelten> you can tell whether it's a link using ls, btw :)
[03:21] <mike> Also, links' text is italicized in KDE
[03:22] <runlevelten> indeed
[03:22] <MaTiAz> Printing movie tickets from internet = win :)
[03:23] <praecox> hello guys
[03:23] <mike> yo
[03:23] <praecox> anyone here got an experience with Compiz Fusion on Kubuntu Gutsy (7.10)?
[03:24] <stdin> praecox: #ubuntu+1
[03:25] <praecox> stdin, will try, thanks.
[03:26] <snikker> i've got two usb pen drive, but one is mounted in read-write, the second one in read-only mode. Why? (same filesystem for both pen)
[03:27] <nicolai_> snikker: The read only drive lacks the proper permissions
[03:28] <nicolai_> snikker: I tried that after i formated my own external drive
[03:29] <snikker> nicolai_: the permission seem to be ok...
[03:29] <nicolai_> snikker: chown 773?
[03:29] <alesan> hoe do I install a source package?
[03:29] <mike> Would someone mind having a look at this - http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/32034 ? I'm trying to build the latest open ATI driver (it supports 3D accel. on my card and the one in the repo's doesn't) and I'm having some problems (already did "sudo apt-get build-dep" for the package)...
[03:30] <snikker> nicolai_: drwxr-xr-x
[03:31] <Daisuke_Ido> an open ati driver that supports 3d acceleration?
[03:31] <marckie> hi nic!
[03:33] <runlevelten> Daisuke_Ido: I nearly had a heart attack when beryl worked out of the box with the OSS drivers in ubuntu.
[03:33] <BluesKaj> Daisuke_Ido, http://www.howforge.com/how-to-setup-fglrx-for-ubuntu-feisty
[03:33] <slougi> sorry to ask again, can anyone help me with the flash plugin (nonfree)? locks up konq, works in firefox.
[03:34] <slougi> i can't figure out why it works in one but not the other
[03:34] <runlevelten> that, and the nice update tool, and the snappiness is what's kept an old dinosaur like me running it.
[03:36] <runlevelten> slougi: I have no idea why it happens, but I've noticed slight differences with certain flash movies.
[03:36] <runlevelten> the enemy territory website springs to mind. Have you tried another flash movie?
[03:43] <bauer> scp too my ubuntu from my suse won't let mee in it says "port 22 connection refused". What to do to open that port ?
[03:43] <SoRcS> how to link /etc/zm/apache.conf to /etc/apache2/conf.d/zoneminder.conf
[03:43] <mike> slougi: You *might* try the version of flashplugin-nonfree from Trevino's repository. It never gave me any problems
[03:45] <[gen2] niki> hi
[03:46] <[gen2] niki> can someone help me with my nvidia card?
[03:46] <[gen2] niki> since iam using 7.04 i cant install nvidia-glx drivers anymore, though they should support my gfx card
[03:46] <[gen2] niki> modprobe just fails.
[03:46] <[gen2] niki> maybe its because i used envy once? how can i remove its remains so that it finally works?
[03:47] <praecox> [gen2] niki, did you try 'Clean all drivers installation' option in envy?
[03:48] <[gen2] niki> ah
[03:48] <[gen2] niki> envy is not installed atm as it totally ruined my ubuntu on 7.04
[03:48] <[gen2] niki> -.-
[03:48] <[gen2] niki> just removed some important packages without asking
[03:48] <[gen2] niki> it was the hell getting everything to work
[03:49] <BluesKaj> envy is broken in feisty for ati , dunno about nvidia ...it does say it's unstable even on the alberto milone's site
[03:49] <[gen2] niki> yeah
[03:49] <bauer> SoRcS: ln -s <source> <dest>
[03:49] <[gen2] niki> i had it on 6.08 or so and it worked fine
[03:50] <[gen2] niki> 6.10? dunno about the version
[03:50] <[gen2] niki> then i upgraded to 7.04, and it ruined my system
[03:50] <praecox> well, envy worked great on all my 7.04 machines.
[03:50] <[gen2] niki> yeah well i guess ill try it again to finally get rid of it
[03:51] <[gen2] niki> lol.. how pathetic
[03:51] <praecox> anyone can help me out with my Kubuntu Compiz problem?
[03:52] <BluesKaj> praecox, depends on your hardware
[03:52] <BluesKaj> !compiz
[03:52] <ubotu> Compiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL) - Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager - See http://tinyurl.com/pw5ez for Kubuntu systems - Help in #ubuntu-effects
[03:52] <[gen2] niki> !envy
[03:52] <ubotu> envy is a script that may leave you envious of those who have not used it, use the resticted manager to install binary drivers or use the instructions on the wiki, this script may break your machine very badly!
[03:52] <[gen2] niki> lawl.
[03:52] <[gen2] niki> yeah, i can tell ubotu, you are telling the truth.
[03:53] <praecox> BluesKaj, anything more current than http://tinyurl.com/pw5ez?
[03:53] <praecox> BluesKaj, well, I've got GeForce FX 5700 here.
[03:53] <slougi> runlevelten: it locks up on all flash sites...
[03:54] <slougi> mike: trevinos repo?
[03:54] <BluesKaj> praecox, there are so many troubles with eyecandy : hence the help @ #ubuntu-efffects
[03:54] <BluesKaj> err #ubuntu-effects
[03:54] <runlevelten> slougi: any output when you run it from a console?
[03:54] <praecox> BluesKaj, probowaem, ale nikt nie odpowiedzia. ;)
[03:54] <slougi> hmm, running konq with strace reveals the following: http://dpaste.com/15672/
[03:54] <slougi> it stalls at that point
[03:55] <mike> !trevino
[03:55] <BluesKaj> praecox, what's that supposed to mean?
[03:55] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about trevino - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:56] <praecox> BluesKaj, sorry, not this window. I tried but noone answered me yet.
[03:56] <mike> slougi: http://download.tuxfamily.org/3v1deb/index.html
[03:56] <kojote> ggg
[03:57] <slougi> mike: thanks
[03:57] <mike> slougi: np
[03:57] <mike> slougi: Just make sure you lock katapult before upgrading from his repository, his version of it is screwed up
[03:57] <mike> slougi: or just unmark it for upgrade everytime you update everything
[03:58] <slougi> i'll probably just get the flashplayer package separately
[03:58] <slougi> i'm not very partial to external repos
[03:58] <runlevelten> bauer: well ... ?
[03:58] <BluesKaj> praecox, I don't know much about compiz or beryl or any of those window dressing apps ... and I don't really care much about them ...some ppl here do care , but just have patience, someone may help you :)
[04:01] <mike> slougi: I can't blame you... But I'd be sure to make sure that stays up to date. I'd imagine something like flash would be prone to security exploits
[04:02] <mike> although i probably have no idea what i'm talking aboutu :-P
[04:02] <mike> about*
[04:02] <slougi> mike: well in any case that locks up too, i think it has to do with the latest changes to the flash plugin
[04:02] <mike> slougi: what site?
[04:02] <slougi> mike: anything with flash
[04:03] <mike> slougi: works fine here
[04:03] <runlevelten> Apparently people are getting it with opera too, but not firefox.
[04:03] <slougi> with konq?
[04:03] <mike> yep
[04:03] <slougi> runlevelten: yes gtk problems
[04:03] <hsn_> !nvidia
[04:03] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[04:04] <slougi> they are afaik expecting all browser to have a gtk event loop
[04:04] <slougi> konq and opera being based on qt that assumption breaks...
[04:04] <slougi> what's weird is that it works for some people apparently
[04:04] <runlevelten> Yeah. Needs reporting to Adobe, dunnit - although I expect it already has been.
[04:04] <slougi> i get the impression more and more that the peeps at adobe lack clue...
[04:05] <runlevelten> Mind you, one might argue that it's pretty standard stuff for a netscape plugin on GNU/Linux and that other browsers could move to support it.
[04:05] <Silent_G> is it possible to make /tmp empty at reboot?
[04:05] <runlevelten> slougi: flash presents zillions of moving targets, to be fair.
[04:05] <Silent_G> i remember mandriva had some grub command to do it
[04:05] <rojanu> Hi Everyone, I am going to buy a desktop system, Any recommedations ( I am in London)
[04:06] <bauer> How do i install sshd on my lovely ubuntu ?-)
[04:06] <rojanu> bauer: sudo apt-get install ssh
[04:06] <praecox> bauer, apt-get install ssh
[04:06] <mike> so umm... i downloaded gutsy's version of xutils-dev because i needed that version to compile the ati driver (please don't ask why i'm compiling :-) and "sudo dpkg -i"'d it, it didn't install because libc6 isn't new enough for it, went into synaptic to remove it and when i click "mark for removal" it says it has to remove like, nearly everything else on the system along with it. apt-get is completely impotent at this point because
[04:06] <mike> of the broken dependencies, so apt-get -f install/remove aren't doing any good. can someone please help?
[04:07] <bauer> rojanu: praecox : thx, ill try that :o)
[04:07] <BluesKaj> yeah, my last konq setup did flasn NP , now it breaks on the site and just stalls ...have the nonfree plugin etc , same stuff as previously ...not a biggie cuz went back to FF
[04:08] <runlevelten> what site is it breaking for you on the best, slougi?
[04:08] <praecox> mike, if you're sure it's package you did by yourself and it's no longer necessary, you could try to dpkg --purge it with forcing no dependency check.
[04:08] <slougi> runlevelten: well a gtk event loop is hard to implement when you use qt ;)
[04:08] <slougi> runlevelten: for example youtube front page locks up immediatelty
[04:09] <BluesKaj> mike , first try synaptic /edit/fixbroken packges
[04:09] <jthomas> good day; can anyone tell me how to use KRDC to connect to a port 3390 (rather than the default 3389) ?
[04:09] <mike> BluesKaj: Already tried that, it tries to uninstall everything
[04:09] <runlevelten> slougi: what flash version?
[04:09] <mike> praecox: thanks for the reply, what would the exact command be?
[04:10] <BluesKaj> what do you mean "everything", mike ?
[04:10] <praecox> mike, try dpkg --force help.
[04:10] <runlevelten> wfm, so I'm assuming it's the latest update (this machine has a fresh install, and not of kubuntu)
[04:10] <runlevelten> (which means it's not the latest flash player)
[04:10] <slougi> runlevelten: 9.0.48.0
[04:11] <BluesKaj> ok, bbl ...chores to do
[04:11] <praecox> mike, the command you would probably need is dpkg --purge --force-depends <package>
[04:11] <praecox> mike, but be aware it might brake your current installation. so be careful with this command.
[04:12] <mike> praecox: Thanks. It appears to be broken already, so it can't get much worse
[04:12] <slougi> runlevelten: do you know if there is an archive of older flash versions anywhere?
[04:13] <mike> praecox: with dpkg, i have to put the full package name with the version # and extension, right?
[04:13] <praecox> mike, not really, only name part as it's listed in dpkg -l.
[04:14] <runlevelten> slougi: if you're using a repo, does it contain multiple versions?
[04:15] <slougi> runlevelten: doesn't seem to, and the packages download straight from adobe's site anyway
[04:15] <mike> praecox: you're my new hero
[04:15] <mike> thanks a million, man
[04:16] <praecox> n/p
[04:16] <runlevelten> slougi: just trawling to see what I have
[04:18] <mike> praecox: dpkg is completely noninteractive, right?
[04:19] <mike> i mean, if it were going to do something insane with that command, it wouldn't ask for confirmation...?
[04:20] <runlevelten> Ooh, can anyone offer me windows support? where is the recycle bin kept?
[04:20] <mike> trash:/
[04:21] <runlevelten> No, on windows. I don't have a copy I can check.
[04:21] <mike> ohh lol
[04:21] <runlevelten> Ah, it's C;Recycled or whatever.
[04:24] <mike> i used windows for 10 years, linux for 10 months, and the linux system already makes 10x more sense than the one in windows
[04:24] <mike> filesystem*
[04:26] <praecox> mike, I don't think so.
[04:26] <mike> praecox: k, thanks
[04:26] <runlevelten> mike: Yeah, the stuff which goes outside per-user directories on windows, it's demented. :)
[04:27] <mike> runlevelten: and you've gotta love how Desktop is the root directory
[04:28] <mike> is anyone here running Gutsy?
[04:29] <knapp> How can I get Kopete to stop saying: "You are not allowed to add yourself to the contact list. The addition of "snuggyfoofy" to account "snuggyfoofy" will not take place."
[04:30] <runlevelten> mike: Yeah, and apps saving per-user settings in the equivalent of /opt, and the file system having these arbitrary boundaries where the physical disks are disgusting.
[04:30] <mike> how's it coming along? last i heard it was still pretty buggy
[04:30] <runlevelten> eught.
[04:31] <mike> stop reminding me :-P
[04:32] <runlevelten> slougi: I don't have it archived. I may have it in a home folder on another machine, hang on.
[04:32] <praecox> mike, no problems so far...
[04:32] <bauer> my sshd is now up and running :-) But my scp -B <source> <dest> wont let mee in it says "permission denied ( publickey,passwd ). connection lost"
[04:32] <Silent_G> hmm my cdrom is not reading al playstation games, is there something i have to install ?
[04:33] <mike> praecox: what do you think of kwin composite?
[04:34] <runlevelten> I have 9.0.48.0?
[04:35] <praecox> mike, I don't have KDE 4.
[04:35] <praecox> mike, I didn't even get a chance to try it with Gutsy.
[04:35] <praecox> ;)
[04:36] <hacker128> Update tool is not working. I have Fiesty PPC.
[04:36] <hacker128> Any ideas?
[04:37] <mike> oh ok
[04:40] <nicolai_> hacker128: do you get an "already running" error?
[04:42] <hacker128> no. I run it from inside Adept. After it says Closing Adept and opening Update Tool, Adept closes and the Update Tool is nowhere in sight.
[04:42] <hacker128> That would be Adept Manager, by the way.
[04:43] <BluesKaj> what aboput synaptic or apt ?
[04:44] <hacker128> Adept is the only thing that gives me an update tool!
[04:44] <spartako> synaptic is better
[04:44] <hacker128> I know. I have Synaptic!
[04:44] <hacker128> But I can only update with Adept.
[04:45] <Ryaren> What program do u offer to edit video
[04:45] <BluesKaj> dept update tool breks packages after 2-3 updates , it doesn't track the dependencies very well ...dump it if you can and update with synaptic or apt and sourceslist updates
[04:45] <BluesKaj> adept
[04:46] <Ryaren> I want to see the video stream and two audio streams to cut those
[04:46] <hacker128> See above!
[04:46] <hacker128> oops.
[04:47] <BluesKaj> Ryaren, offer? uhmm , you could try avidemux, devede or tovid
[04:47] <hacker128> No.  Kubuntu upgrade, not single programs.
[04:48] <BluesKaj> hacker128, you want to upgrade the Distro ?
[04:48] <hacker128> Yes.
[04:48] <BluesKaj> from what to what ?
[04:48] <hacker128> Fiesty to Gutsy
[04:49] <tomi> 8mb/s sata speeds..
[04:50] <tomi> i've found it much easier to upgrade thru terminal
[04:50] <BluesKaj> hacker128, in the terminal : sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[04:50] <hacker128> ok. thanks!
[04:50] <tomi> that's the ticket
[04:50] <tomi> also you might want to do the latter part few times
[04:51] <tomi> sometimes it doesn't get all packages and might make your system unstable
[04:51] <tomi> sudo apt-get dist-upgrade (or just upgrade) to make sure all packages are upgraded
[04:51] <BluesKaj> tried gutsy ...not eady for prime time on my setup
[04:51] <BluesKaj> ready
[04:51] <Ryaren> BluesKaj: I'm searchin a video editor like Pinnacle Studio
[04:51] <tomi> running gutsy on amd64 with nvidia + compiz-f ... few problems so far
[04:53] <hacker128> I am on a iBook, though. Will it still work?
[04:53] <hacker128> G4
[04:54] <Lunar_Lamp> Is the command "sudo /etc/init.d/kdm reload" to restart kdm?
[04:54] <BluesKaj> Ryaren, you might try http://mjpeg.sourceforge.net/
[04:54] <hacker128> Yes.
[04:54] <mike> Lunar_Lamp: restart instead of reload
[04:54] <Lunar_Lamp> How does that differ from "restart"? Or is restart == reload?
[04:55] <Tomi-idle> hacker128: check if there are powerpc kernel support anymore
[04:55] <hacker128> How?
[04:55] <Tomi-idle> forums
[04:55] <Tomi-idle> i think they dropped it (?)
[04:55] <BluesKaj> gutsy and nvidia on amd64 seems ok from all reports ...not so good on ati graphics
[04:55] <satanasof> hi
[04:55] <satanasof> good bye
[04:56] <Tomi-idle> i have a logout problem with compiz f (also when running wow) . freezes screen & kb. mouse works
[04:56] <hacker128> Actually, it is community-supported.
[04:57] <BluesKaj> !compiz | Tomi-idle
[04:57] <ubotu> Tomi-idle: Compiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL) - Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager - See http://tinyurl.com/pw5ez for Kubuntu systems - Help in #ubuntu-effects
[04:58] <Tomi-idle> using aiglx by preference
[04:58] <Expecto> so Xgl/KDM is screwed on my system.  had some probs with Xgl session not starting so I tried to reconfigure xorg.  Bad idea.  I didn't do it right so I used my back up.  Both on the poorly configured and backup xorg.conf's, on boot I don't get KDM, I get the little "wait" symbol and a black screen.  I'm running and ATI card w/ XGL and Compiz Fusion on Feisty, and the boot after compiz updated is when Xgl quit working and I ruined things.
[04:59] <mike> Expecto: Do you have that system up now?
[04:59] <hacker128> What did you get? If not kdm, then a console?
[05:00] <mike> hacker128: he's stuck at the bootsplash screen
[05:00] <Tomi-idle> the same hangup as me ... stuck screen&kb, but mouse works
[05:00] <Expecto> mike yes
[05:00] <BluesKaj> good ol' eye candy on ati ...sometimes it works sometimes not :(
[05:00] <Tomi-idle> dunno if its a problem with kdm or compiz f packages <.<
[05:00] <mike> Expecto: When it hangs at the bootsplash screen, do Ctrl+Alt+F1, login, and run this command: sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg
[05:00] <Expecto> hacker128, i got the wait symbol and a black background
[05:00] <Expecto> mike did that
[05:01] <bauer> test bauer
[05:01] <mike> Expecto: can you pastebin the output of "sudo /etc/init.d/kdm restart"?
[05:01] <Expecto> sure, hold on
[05:02] <cameron> hey, I'm unable to open the Adept package manager, it states that another process is using the system database
[05:02] <mike> err, i guess it'd be hard to paste it. heh
[05:02] <mike> Expecto: What error does it give when you run that?
[05:02] <cameron> I have closed out of everything,
[05:03] <hacker128> Ok. Apt-get Dist-Upgradem just finished. Do I restart now?
[05:03] <mike> cameron: Run command -> kdesu ksysguard -> password -> look for adept or apt in the process table and kill it
[05:03] <hacker128> chown (your_username) /var/dpkg/lock
[05:04] <Expecto> "Stopping K Display Manager: kdm not responding to TERM signal (pid 4865)."
[05:04] <Expecto> "Stopping K D
[05:04] <hacker128> run as root
[05:04] <Expecto> isplay Manger: kdm"
[05:05] <mike> Expecto: run "kill -9 4865"
[05:05] <Expecto> mike, did some funky stuff to get a very ugly desktop running on ctrl-alt-F9, so i could get on my network...so if I need it I can use it
[05:05] <Expecto> sudo?
[05:05] <cameron> -_-, It still states somethign is using the system packages
[05:05] <mike> Expecto: err, yeah. sorry
[05:05] <Expecto> no errors
[05:06] <mike> Expecto: now "sudo /etc/init.d/kdm start"
[05:07] <hacker128> CAMERON!
[05:07] <mike> cameron: not sure, sorry. i haven't used adept in months, and synaptic never gives me that problem.
[05:08] <Expecto> "Stopping K Display Manager: kdm"  got that twice then back to the wait symbol, but before that it hung on a flashing underscore as if it weren't going to do anything.  I had to ctrl-alt somewhere else and back to even get that
[05:08] <hacker128> Listen carefully.
[05:08] <hacker128> Are you listening?
[05:08] <mike> hacker128: you never said his name to begin with. no need to yell :-\
[05:08] <hacker128> soihguoht. ,mhrry. i have tryied PMing
[05:09] <hacker128> oops!
[05:09] <mike> lol
[05:09] <cameron> hey hacker128, I don't think I can talke back 2 u, (not registered...)
[05:09] <Expecto> mike, did you see that up there?
[05:10] <hacker128> oh. Cameron: run sudo chown (your_username) /var/lib/dpkg/lock
[05:10] <cameron> did, still can't access adept
[05:10] <BluesKaj> hacker128, just use the tab key after typing a few letters to finish his nick .
[05:10] <mike> Expecto: sorry, just now caught it... have you tried manually reconfiguring xserver-xorg ("sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg")?
[05:11] <Expecto> yes...that's how i messed things up
[05:11] <hacker128> cameron:  Did you get any errors
[05:11] <pag> !aptfix | cameron
[05:11] <ubotu> cameron: If Adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole:  sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a 
[05:11] <Expecto> Mike:  I noticed in my xorg.conf that there are two "Device" sections, one with the ati driver, the other w/ the fglrx driver (what I'm supposed to be using)
[05:12] <Expecto> the first one is labeled as the name of my card and the other as aticonfig-[0] 
[05:12] <mike> Expecto: Maybe try commenting out the section for the one using the ati driver
[05:12] <cameron> what I tried to do, is install firefox through adept, which worked, then I tried to install Java for it, and that failed during the install because I didn't agree with the terms / cond. and then I tried to install gaim, exited, then problems
[05:12] <hacker128> cameron: kdesu konqueror.
[05:12] <hacker128> Then...
[05:13] <manchicken> Noooooooo
[05:13] <hacker128> Go to /var/lib/dpkg
[05:13] <manchicken> Ack, wrong chanl
[05:13] <hacker128> delete the file named lock.
[05:13] <pag> hacker128, why not use the command ubotu suggests?
[05:13] <hacker128> Then make a new text file named lock.
[05:14] <Expecto> mike, i did that, but I have to restart something to make it work right?
[05:14] <hacker128> Because I know these work.
[05:14] <mike> Expecto: KDM
[05:14] <pag> hacker128, you think the other doesn't? :P
[05:14] <hacker128> No.
[05:15] <Tomi-idle> anyone know easiest way to install mplayer-plugin on amd64?
[05:15] <Tomi-idle> gutsy
[05:15] <hacker128> One way I know works is better then 1,000 that could hose my system.
[05:15] <Expecto> blinking thing, switch to here, back to there and i have the whole wait symbol/cursor thing again
[05:15] <mike> Tomi-idle: no idea, might check in #ubuntu+1
[05:15] <cameron> ubota: I get this at the very eend:
[05:15] <cameron> Errors were encountered while processing:
[05:15] <cameron>  j2re1.4-mozilla-plugin
[05:16] <hacker128> see!
[05:16] <cameron> I think java exploded
[05:16] <hacker128> what do you know?
[05:16] <yaccin> i cant install pam_kwallet
[05:16] <hacker128> Try mine.
[05:16] <yaccin> are there packages somewhere?
[05:16] <yaccin> or instructions on how to install on kubuntu?
[05:16] <mike> Expecto: does kdm say "failed to manage screen on 0:0" or something like that?
[05:16] <pag> cameron, sudo dpkg -r j2re1.4-mozilla-plugin  then enable multiverse and install sun's java ;)
[05:16] <Expecto> no just the usual errors
[05:17] <cameron> enabe multiverse?
[05:17] <hacker128> cameron: Run my commands!
[05:17] <Tomi-idle> oh 32 bit firefox installed...
[05:17] <pag> !multiverse | cameron
[05:17] <cameron> I'll run whichevers ones works
[05:17] <ubotu> cameron: The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[05:17] <hacker128> Well, mine do!
[05:19] <cameron> bash: !multiverse: event not found
[05:19] <pag> hacker128, yours fix the adept issue - cameron has problems on dpkg level. removing dpkg's lock-file won't be any good at this point
[05:19] <hacker128> Also, try cd /var/lib/dpkg
[05:19] <mike> Expecto: sorry, i'm not sure. i'm tempted to say that whatever the problem is, it's not with X, as i've never seen an X problem that wasn't fixed by "sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg". either that or you somehow don't have the display drivers installed
[05:19] <cameron> DUN DUN DUN..........
[05:19] <hacker128> rm lock
[05:19] <pag> cameron, those starting with ! are jsut command to ubotu - please see what the bot told you
[05:20] <Expecto> mike, thanks anyway...i was thinking it wasn't X
[05:20] <Expecto> you confirmed it
[05:20] <hacker128> !multiverse | hacker128
[05:21] <mike> Expecto: Gonna reinstall?
[05:21] <sayers> Are there any programs to mount an ISO on amd64?
[05:21] <hacker128> So fixing dpkg, doesnt fix dpkg?
[05:21] <hacker128> That makes sense!
[05:21] <Expecto> mike...i'm hopin' not to
[05:21] <Expecto> I've been able to save myself one too many times to do that
[05:21] <pag> hacker128, fixing dpkg will fix dpkg ;) removing dpkg lock wont fix it
[05:22] <cameron> well, ubotu: fixed my problem
[05:22] <cameron> thanks!
[05:22] <hacker128> But making another dpkg lock with VIM will!'
[05:22] <pag> sayers, http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu:Feisty#How_to_mount.2Funmount_Image_.28ISO.29_files_without_burning
[05:23] <Expecto> mike: the last time i reinstalled, I idiotically removed python.....needless to say I removed everything else and didn't think to ctrl-c before it was too late
[05:23] <pag> hacker128, true - so why do it manually when there's an automatic command for that? ;)
[05:23] <mr_dd> hello.
[05:23] <hacker128> It's FUN and EXCITING!
[05:24] <kmh> whats the name of the distribution which sounds like sarayan?
[05:24] <stdin> sayers: I have a GUI for you ;) http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php/MountFile?content=61955
[05:24] <mr_dd> can someone help me using my lexmark x2310 printer?
[05:24] <pag> kmh, sabayon?
[05:24] <mike> Expecto: it's a long shot, but *maybe* "sudo apt-get install --reinstall kdm"?
[05:24] <sayers> stdin: I can't compile it in amd64... :(
[05:24] <stdin> sayers: you don't need to compile it
[05:25] <cameron> anyone know a command to install synaptic?
[05:25] <mike> cameron: sudo apt-get install synaptic
[05:25] <sayers> stdin: for 64 bit i think you do.
[05:25] <stdin> sayers: no you don't, I should know, I made it :p
[05:25] <mike> cameron: "sudo apt-get install synaptic gnome-app-install update-manager" for the full suite of Gnome package management apps
[05:26] <cameron> gnome-app-install update-manager" afterwords, (I'm already running the previous command)
[05:28] <sayers> stdin: where do I start it :)
[05:29] <pag> sayers, isn't it a service menu? restart konqueror and right click?
[05:29] <Expecto> mike i'm going for that
[05:29] <stdin> sayers: download and extract, then run the installGUI.sh script
[05:29] <sayers> stdin: I've done that.
[05:29] <stdin> sayers: oh, then there's a service menu, a link on the desktop (if you added it) and a entry in the kmenu
[05:30] <stdin> in Utilities
[05:30] <ryaren> how can i connect an USB DVD-RW?
[05:30] <cameron> majic
[05:30] <Expecto> ack....i'm gonna have to go for the reinstall option.  Reinstalling kdm didn't work.
[05:30] <cameron> mike: gnome-app-install bad usage
[05:31] <stdin> sayers: it should be in the "Actions" right-click menu for ISOs too. any questions/comments/demands just yell :p
[05:32] <ryaren> Could you tell me how can I mount an USB DVD-RW?
[05:32] <cameron> mike: I get the error gnome-app-install bad usage
[05:32] <Expecto> mike, is bad that my xorg has not mention of Xgl whatsoever
[05:32] <Expecto> is it bad...sorry
[05:33] <sayers> stdin: well done :)
[05:34] <stdin> sayers: thanks, made it a while ago, then posted it on kde-apps and bumped it 4 versions in 3 days :)
[05:34] <sayers> What language?
[05:34] <runlevelten> swiss
[05:34] <stdin> sayers: bash :P that's why it works for everyone
[05:35] <stdin> it's just a script that used mount and kdialog (a lot)
[05:35] <stdin> ryaren: plug it in and insert some disk?
[05:36] <ryaren> I can't eject the disc
[05:37] <stdin> can't you do it with the "eject" command?
[05:39] <sayers> stdin: purely a frontend ?/
[05:40] <stdin> sayers: yep, it's just a bash script. it could even be modified to use another mount system like fuseiso without much trouble :)
[05:41] <BluesKaj> Expecto, have you edited the xorg file ? ...the second devices part should be commented out or deleted in order to get back X
[05:41] <BluesKaj> it's interfering and shutting X down
[05:41] <BluesKaj> it happened to me
[05:42] <alesan> do you have an idea where can I find mkbootmsg?
[05:42] <stdin> what is "mkbootmsg" ?
[05:42] <alesan> a program
[05:43] <alesan> do you have an idea which package contains it?
[05:43] <stdin> !find mkbootmsg
[05:43] <ubotu> File mkbootmsg found in gfxboot
[05:43] <stdin> there you go ^
[05:43] <alesan> :)
[05:44] <stdin> alesan: if you don't want to use ubotu to find a file, you can also look at http://packages.ubuntu.com/
[05:44] <alesan> ok thanks
[05:45] <runlevelten> Ah, good point
[05:45] <runlevelten> !find alsaconf
[05:45] <ubotu> Package/file alsaconf does not exist in feisty
[05:45] <runlevelten> lovely
[05:45] <ziggy> Hello
[05:46] <stdin> runlevelten: could asoundconf be what you want?
[05:48] <hormesis> !ohmy | adi
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[05:49] <hormesis> !spam | akrus
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[05:49] <pag> !botabuse | hormesis
[05:49] <ubotu> hormesis: Please investigate with me only in /msg or in #ubuntu-bots (see also !Bot). Abusing the channel bots will only result in angry ops...
[05:49] <ziggy> Can anyone offer some help with connecting to a network share?
[05:49] <hormesis> !botabuse | pag
[05:49] <ubotu> pag: Please investigate with me only in /msg or in #ubuntu-bots (see also !Bot). Abusing the channel bots will only result in angry ops...
[05:49] <pag> thanks DBO :)
[05:49] <runlevelten> stdin: thanks muchly :)
[05:50] <stdin> ziggy: what type of share?
[05:50] <ryaren> hi
[05:50] <ziggy> I am trying to share out a resource in Kubuntu, and connect to it from a Windows 2000 system
[05:50] <ryaren> so how can i use my usb DVD-RW device?
[05:50] <pag> !samba | ziggy
[05:50] <ubotu> ziggy: samba is is the way to cooperate with Windows environments. Links with more info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently and http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/windows-networking.html - Samba can be administered via the web with SWAT
[05:51] <ziggy> Also new to Linux, so trying to make the transition over.
[05:51] <ryaren> it wasn't mount automatically
[05:51] <cameron> HiLo ppl, how do I allow Kubuntu to view my Windows NTFS paritions?
[05:51] <ziggy> I have Samba installed, but when I try to connect I get access denied, even when I give my user name and password
[05:51] <stdin> !ntfs | cameron
[05:51] <ubotu> cameron: To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions . For write access see !ntfs-3g or !fuse
[05:51] <stdin> !ntfs-3g | cameron
[05:51] <ubotu> cameron: ntfs-3g is a Linux driver which allows read/write access to NTFS partitions. Installation instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MountingWindowsPartitions
[05:52] <stdin> ziggy: use the command "smbpasswd" to add a samba password to your user
[05:52] <ziggy> Is that done from the Konsole?
[05:53] <stdin> yeah
[05:53] <genii> ziggy: After you add them enable the name
[05:53] <genii> eg: smbpasswd -a <somename> ; smbpasswd -e <samename>
[05:57] <ziggy> geni, working on it, but it seems to fail
[06:02] <BluesKaj> !asoundrc
[06:02] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about asoundrc - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:03] <balint> hiho, what is the best MTA?
[06:04] <pag> balint, MTA?
[06:04] <savetheWorld> Mail Transport Agent
[06:04] <llutz> !best
[06:04] <ubotu> Usually, there is no single "best" application to perform a given task. It's up to you to choose among a number of different applications, depending on your preferences, the features you require, and other factors.
[06:04] <runlevelten> !best
[06:04] <runlevelten> Exim is good though.
[06:04] <runlevelten> :)
[06:05] <llutz> postfix ist nice
[06:05] <savetheWorld> The two most popular MTA's are #1 - Sendmail, #2 Postfix
[06:05] <savetheWorld> in that order
[06:05] <savetheWorld> sendmail can bea pin to configure
[06:05] <savetheWorld> *be a pain
[06:05] <balint> ops ;)
[06:05] <llutz> savetheWorld: popularity vs quality... win is popular too
[06:05] <savetheWorld> win is not n MTA
[06:05] <balint> then should i choose postfix?
[06:05] <runlevelten> popularity != quality.
[06:06] <balint> i need a good but easy configurable MTA ;)
[06:06] <llutz> runlevelten: that's what i mean
[06:06] <runlevelten> windows > linux. cockroaches > people.
[06:06] <savetheWorld> heh
[06:07] <savetheWorld> Sendmail was rewritten.  dont confuse the old rep with the new software.
[06:14] <balint> what is M! program?
[06:14] <balint> what is M4 program?
[06:14] <stdin> !info m4
[06:14] <ubotu> m4: a macro processing language. In component main, is optional. Version 1.4.8-1build1 (feisty), package size 172 kB, installed size 472 kB
[06:14] <balint> balint@balint-desktop:/opt/sendmail-8.14.1/sendmail$ sudo ./Build
[06:14] <balint> Configuration: pfx=, os=Linux, rel=2.6.20-16-generic, rbase=2, rroot=2.6, arch=i686, sfx=, variant=optimized
[06:14] <balint> ERROR: Can not locate an M4 program
[06:15] <balint> sudo apt-get install m4, i guess ;)
[06:15] <stdin> yep
[06:16] <stdin> balint: or just "sudo apt-get install sendmail"
[06:18] <balint> can i install postfix over apt-get ?
[06:18] <balint> or should i compile it?
[06:18] <stdin> !compile
[06:18] <balint> (from source i mean)
[06:19] <ubotu> Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for pre-built !packages first: not all !repositories are enabled by default!)
[06:19] <stdin> "But remember to search for pre-built !packages first"
[06:19] <pag> !info postfix | balint
[06:19] <ubotu> balint: postfix: A high-performance mail transport agent. In component main, is optional. Version 2.3.8-2 (feisty), package size 1065 kB, installed size 2484 kB
[06:19] <stdin> packages are much easier
[06:19] <stdin> that's why we make them
[06:21] <balint> okay, i installed them through package, where can i find more repos than defaults?
[06:21] <pag> !repos | balint
[06:21] <ubotu> balint: The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[06:22] <pag> !easysources | balint
[06:22] <ubotu> balint: source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[06:23] <balint> ty
[06:24] <ryaren> so how can i use my usb DVD-RW device?
[06:24] <ryaren> it wasn't mount automatically
[06:25] <BluesKaj> ryaren, look in sytem menu/storage media
[06:27] <balint> how can i use "sendmail" ?
[06:27] <balint> i didn't get from man
[06:27] <balint> can somebody post me an example?
[06:27] <requiem666> lut
[06:29] <ryaren> BluesKaj: I don't have any storage media... Maybe I have to mount manually but i dont know how
[06:29] <trivial> sendmail is not designed for commandline use
[06:30] <janet> morning
[06:30] <pag> hello janet :)
[06:31] <janet> my grub screen looks crappy and i want to use lilo, how do i change it to default to lilo instead of grub?
[06:31] <BluesKaj> ryaren, it should be in the panel near the kicker, icon like pc
[06:31] <BluesKaj> looks like a pc
[06:31] <trivial> what means look crappy ?
[06:31] <genii> I like mailutils   since then you can do like:      mail -s "subject" someone@somewhere         type the email then hit . to exit
[06:31] <janet> looks very verbose and texty
[06:31] <trivial> use a splash screen for grub
[06:31] <janet> and lilo looks cool and you can edit it
[06:31] <janet> without editing a script
[06:31] <trivial> lilo dont looks better
[06:32] <stdin> grub is cool and you can edit it
[06:32] <stdin> !lilo
[06:32] <ubotu> lilo is an alternative [Li] nux Boot[Lo] ader. Note: it is recommended that you use GRUB on Ubuntu instead.
[06:32] <trivial> search at google for grub splashimage
[06:32] <janet> i'm kind of new so i need a gui grub editor
[06:32] <ryaren> BluesKaj I know how it would be look like because when I used my pen-drive it was there but now there is nothing
[06:32] <janet> tried to get grubed working
[06:33] <stdin> janet: try the kubuntu-grub-splashimages or grub-splashimages package(s)
[06:33] <janet> okay will do
[06:33] <stdin> janet: a GUI for grub is on the way, but not here (yet)
[06:34] <BluesKaj> ryaren, try lsusb in the terminal
[06:35] <janet> i had the first one but needed to apt-get the kubuntu-splash one
[06:35] <janet> thx
[06:35] <ryaren> BluesKaj: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/32056/plain/
[06:36] <janet> how do you access the splash to edit? systemsettings?
[06:36] <BluesKaj> ryaren, is that it, Myson Century, Inc. Fast 3.5" External Storage ?
[06:37] <ryms> hi
[06:38] <ryaren> BluesKaj: I think yes
[06:38] <janet> im having a hard time finding where to edit grub splash now?
[06:38] <phoenixz> When I use the sudo command I get this: "sudo: cannot get working directory" any idea on how to fix this?
[06:38] <stdin> janet: you should see "splashimage=" at the top of /boot/grub/menu.lst
[06:39] <balint> i would like to install Mailman over apt-get. But it says i need apache2. I've already installed apache2 with xampp. How can I install Mailman without automatic apache installation?
[06:39] <janet> what do you put after the =?
[06:40] <stdin> the path to the splash image, like "(hd0,1)/boot/grub/splashimages/KUBUNTU_splashscreen_blue_neon_logo_03.xpm.gz" (you need the (hd0,1) to specify the partition)
[06:40] <BluesKaj> stdin,  ryaren's usb dvdrive shows up in lsusb as : Myson Century, Inc. Fast 3.5" External Storage...how to make it work ?
[06:41] <stdin> check dmesg to see if it as assigned a device node
[06:41] <janet> i installed kubuntu-splash but im not sure where it put it
[06:42] <BluesKaj> ryaren, did you get that? ... dmesg in the terminal
[06:42] <pag> janet, it puts them in /bood/grub/splashimages/ by default
[06:42] <stdin> janet: the kubuntu splash is /boot/grub/splashimages/KUBUNTU_splashscreen_blue_neon_logo_03.xpm.gz, so if you boot off the 1st partition, you add (hd0,0) to the beginning
[06:43] <ryaren> BluesKaj Yes I'm here :)
[06:43] <janet> mostly what i'm trying to do is edit the colour of the text and the wording on the opening grub screen
[06:43] <janet> that gives me the boot choices
[06:45] <phoenixz> Anybody an idea about the sudo error "sudo: cannot get working directory"
[06:45] <stdin> phoenixz: check the directory you're in exists? try changing to another one
[06:46] <phoenixz> stdin, right.... :)
[06:47] <ryaren> BluesKaj : here is the dmesg http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/32059/plain/
[06:48] <stdin> ryaren: seems you inserted a blank disk?
[06:49] <ryaren> no It is full
[06:49] <stdin> or the disk is damaged
[06:49] <stdin> "Buffer I/O error on device sr0, logical block 8" <- not good
[06:49] <ryaren> I don't think so because the IDE DVD-rw can read
[06:50] <balint> checking whether the C compiler (gcc  ) works... no
[06:50] <balint> configure: error: installation or configuration problem: C compiler cannot create executables.
[06:50] <balint> what can be the problem?
[06:50] <stdin> balint: you don't have gcc installed?
[06:50] <balint> sudo apt-get install gcc --> latest version
[06:50] <stdin> !b-e
[06:50] <ubotu> Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for pre-built !packages first: not all !repositories are enabled by default!)
[06:51] <hacker128> !gcc | balint
[06:51] <ubotu> balint: please see above
[06:51] <stdin> ryaren: when you plugged the device in did it have the disk in it?
[06:51] <ryaren> stdin: No it hasn't
[06:51] <stdin> hmm
[06:52] <hacker128> !kde | hacker128
[06:52] <[ifr0g] > Where could i find software update longs on the internet ?
[06:52] <genii> stdin: b-e is sure shorter than compile
[06:53] <stdin> genii: what i use depends on my mood :p
[06:53] <janet> im setup for Kdm and now i cant run certain gnome programs should i be on gdm? or can i switch it to gdm without screwing up kde programs?
[06:53] <janet> im in kde btw
[06:53] <janet> gnome progrms like startupmanager
[06:54] <stdin> [ifr0g] : "update longs" ??
[06:54] <genii> I imagine it's supposed to be logs
[06:54] <janet> is there a place to switch from kdm to gdm?
[06:55] <stdin> janet: gnome apps will run in kde
[06:55] <janet> startup manager wont , but will when i flip to gnome
[06:56] <stdin> what does startupmanager do in gnome?
[06:56] <pag> janet, startupmanager = manages the programms that start on login?
[06:56] <janet> maybe its just that one program
[06:56] <stdin> look in system settings
[06:56] <janet> it lets you edit the grub menu and choose the background colour and fonts tec for that boot screen
[06:57] <janet> i had changed it in gnome , and when i whent to kde i couldnt open it
[06:57] <janet> to change the font colour back
[06:57] <drif_> what's best way to watch dvb on (k)ubuntu?
[06:57] <hacker128> dddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddd
[06:58] <drif> tried kaffeine, it found the channels but now it's complaining about how it can't handle the resource
[06:58] <graft> anyone know how i can get rid of red and green shadows on fonts in Firefox?
[06:58] <janet> when installing ubuntu and using kde would you go gdm or kdm?
[06:58] <graft> janet: kdm
[06:58] <graft> it's much better overall than gdm, i think
[06:58] <janet> so can i change it now?
[06:58] <tomi> sudo apt-get install kdm
[06:58] <[ifr0g] > stdin, update logs.. meaning like an rss feed on software chaangelogs ..
[06:59] <tomi> or through adept
[06:59] <pag> graft, try disabling sub-pixel rendering
[06:59] <janet> how can u tell if your on kdm or gdm , cause now i confused myself
[06:59] <janet> lol
[06:59] <hacker128> login screen
[06:59] <stdin> [ifr0g] : adept will show them, or "aptitude changelog package"
[07:00] <hacker128> says kubuntu if kdm
[07:00] <janet> hacker which login screen?
[07:00] <janet> ah okay
[07:00] <janet> im on kdm then
[07:00] <graft> pag: disabling it? hmm, ok, hode on
[07:00] <janet> thats why that gdm gnome program had trouble
[07:01] <hero> heh, i can't get kdm to work - only gdm
[07:01] <hero> unless kdm looks like xdm
[07:01] <pag> graft, in kcontrols font-settings... I don't know if it affects gnome apps though.
[07:01] <janet> what i was trying to do is edit the list offeded by grub at boot... essentially i have a duel boot and want to nbame one windows and one linux
[07:01] <graft> pag: yeh... trying it, just a sec
[07:02] <janet> instead of linux-kernal-ubuntu etc
[07:03] <pag> graft, sorry, but I've got to go now. if it doesn't work, I'm sure someone else can help you.
[07:03] <BluesKaj> !libdvdcss2 | drif
[07:03] <ubotu> drif: For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss2" can be found at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - Try k9copy (available in !Universe) for backing up DVDs
[07:03] <[ifr0g] > stdin, aptitude changelog package ?
[07:03] <stdin> [ifr0g] : like "aptitude changelog linux-generic"
[07:03] <trakinas> can anyone tell me if i tell to kprinter print pages from 9-3 (for example) it will print in this said order?
[07:05] <[ifr0g] > stdin, interesting.. thanks !
[07:07] <drif> BluesKaj: you mean also with DVB?
[07:08] <balint> how can i remove users?
[07:08] <stdin> balint: system settings -> User Management
[07:09] <balint> from console? :)
[07:09] <shawn> hey
[07:09] <balint> i like the console-way
[07:09] <stdin> no, from the kemnu
[07:09] <shinobi> anyone got suggestions on a samba question?: getting a 'Failed to modify password entry for user'
[07:09] <trakinas> no one?
[07:10] <stdin> balint: deluser
[07:10] <theking2k> lol 
[07:10] <balint> ty
[07:10] <genii> balint: for console use the deluser command. Make sure you don't delete root or the only regular user who has sudo rights
[07:10] <XcercaX> hey
[07:11] <genii> shinobi: Do your samba users have same system usernames?
[07:12] <shinobi> genii: no, i was not sure that was necessary
[07:12] <shinobi> just a full unix user?
[07:12] <shinobi> sort of "addusr -..."
[07:13] <trakinas> it does not. =P
[07:13] <genii> shinobi: Well, there are basically two ways. simplest is that samba users all have their own names and passwords nothing to do with system names. Or you can have set in the samba config to synchronise passwords and users between samba and the system so a samba user also has a regular unix account on the machine
[07:13] <genii> shinobi: The first way is more common and actually preferable
[07:14] <genii> shinobi: For samba, just use:    smbpasswd -a <name>           -a is add
[07:15] <genii> shinobi: Then    smbpasswd -e <name>           -e is enable
[07:15] <shinobi> genii: with you, but the output of smbpasswd -a is "Failed to modify password entry for user"
[07:15] <shinobi> but i thought i could do that without a full unix user
[07:15] <shinobi> semms like the file is syncing
[07:16] <shinobi> looks like my smbusers file is described but not present on my machine
[07:17] <genii> shinobi: If you are syncing passwds for samba/system you need to remember for restricted accounts on system you need sudo for smbpasswd otherwise not proper rights to change the system password, onlt the samba one
[07:17] <shinobi> yeah i wonder if that' the error, but i'm running the command sudo
[07:18] <cameron> hey, I just downloaded the ati drivers from ati, and I navigated to the desktop in the konsole, how do i go ahead and install the drivers?
[07:19] <stdin> cameron: you don't, you install the package from ubuntu
[07:19] <stdin> !ati | cameron
[07:19] <ubotu> cameron: To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[07:19] <cameron> oh, but aren't the latest drivers only from the website
[07:19] <cameron> ?
[07:19] <genii> shinobi: Weird, should have made some template one before
[07:20] <genii> (smbusers  file)
[07:20] <shinobi> genii, yeah, i have 1 account enabled fine
[07:20] <stdin> cameron: do you want to have to login to the terminal without GUI and recompile the driver every time the kernel gets updated?
[07:21] <shinobi> genii, but somehow all sudo smbpasswd -a commands give "Failed to modify password entry for user"
[07:21] <cameron> not at all
[07:21] <wimpies> How can I define a group of mail users as a kontact ?
[07:21] <stdin> cameron: then you need to use the packaged version
[07:21] <cameron> I don't even know how to re-compile XD
[07:21] <cameron> kk
[07:22] <genii> shinobi: Looking into this now
[07:23] <shinobi> genii: thanks, i did try for the last two hours to fins a solution, i'm usually pretty successful with samba, this one is just out of my grasp
[07:23] <genii> shinobi: Does the file /etc/samba/smbusers  even exist?
[07:23] <shinobi> genii no
[07:24] <shinobi> genii but as i said, i have working user already
[07:24] <genii> shinobi: I would then do:  sudo touch /etc/samba/smbusers     then sudo chmod 755 /etc/samba/smbusers
[07:24] <shinobi> genii, but what about the current working users?
[07:25] <stdin> why have it executable ?
[07:25] <karl_> Hi everyone
[07:26] <karl_> Can someone tell me how to connect to another server, or find a list of servers ?
[07:26] <genii> shinobi: Does the 1 working user also have a name on the system, i suspect it does and thats why it works. Because the smbpasswd falls thru to the system since no smbusers file
[07:27] <genii> stdin Yes, this is true. Perms could be 700 or so
[07:27] <stdin> genii: that's still set as executable for root
[07:27] <cameron> how do I access the restricted drivers in Kubuntu?
[07:27] <shinobi> genii yes you are right. does this mean the smbpasswd file is only necessary for when the unix user does not exist
[07:28] <stdin> cameron: follow the Edgy intructions
[07:28] <cameron> yay -_-, kk
[07:28] <shinobi> genii in which case i will create user for this
[07:29] <genii> shinobi: That is the thing, yes. for non unix names you need a smbusers file
[07:31] <shinobi> genii hmm. i see why i was confused now, it was  a little counter intuitive approach
[07:31] <shinobi> genii thank you very much for your clever input
[07:31] <genii> shinobi: As stdin pointed out about permissions. So something like 766 or 744 should be OK
[07:32] <genii> stid sorry no 7XX anything LOL
[07:32] <stdin> 666/644, no need for the file to be executable
[07:32] <genii> stdin^
[07:33] <stdin> only took 3 times for it to sink in genii, you must have one hell of a headache :p
[07:33] <shinobi> stdin genii: no worries on the security thing, i'll secure that anyway...
[07:33] <genii> stdin: In fact, yes. Stupid allergies and too much coffee today
[07:34] <stdin> yeah, i saw the -ot message :)
[07:34] <shinobi> it was just the smb approach i hadn't tested freestanding samba passwords before
[07:37] <Silent_G> yo, how can i connect com1 ?
[07:37] <stdin> yo, there's no such thing as "com1" in linuz
[07:37] <Silent_G> man
[07:37] <Silent_G> im saying about the port
[07:37] <Silent_G> in the tower
[07:38] <Silent_G> com1
[07:38] <Silent_G> where satelite recievers go in
[07:38] <Silent_G> but its not reading it when i connect it :S
[07:38] <stdin> it's probably one of /dev/ttyS*
[07:39] <Silent_G> isn't it suppose to read it automatic?
[07:41] <stdin> Silent_G: look here www.ictp.trieste.it/~radionet/nuc1996/ref/howto-html/serial-howto-3.html
[07:41] <Silent_G> ok
[07:42] <WaxyFresh> hi ive been useing ubuntu and just installed the kubuntu desktop,ubuntus stoped working and im having problems with codecs java and flash
[07:42] <WaxyFresh> oh yea im useing amd64^^
[07:42] <graft> yello - i have red and green shadows on my fonts in firefox... pag told me i oughta disable sub-pixel rendering, but it doesn't seem to be enabled (or even selectable) here
[07:42] <graft> any other hints?
[07:43] <graft> WaxyFresh: what do you mean, stopped working?
[07:44] <WaxyFresh> lol should of been more specific
[07:44] <mm_202> Any way to control the screensaver / monitor  PM thru the command line?
[07:45] <WaxyFresh> when i log into GDM it kicks me back to the login screen right after the gnome desktop apears.i dont care about this,gdm gives me rashes,i just dont understand why java/flash/codecs stoped working
[07:45] <stdin> mm_202: you can lock the screen with dcop, "dcop kdesktop KScreensaverIface lock"
[07:45] <hero> gdm gives you rashes?
[07:46] <mm_202> stdin:  but how would I turn off the monitor?
[07:47] <WaxyFresh> lol i got it nevermind,when i installed kubuntu it installed 64bit firefox when everything set up for 32swiftfox
[07:47] <stdin> mm_202: not sure
[07:48] <mm_202> k, thanks, that at least gives me a place to start looking.
[07:48] <WaxyFresh> graft: any idea about gdm not working?or should i go to #ubtuntu?
[07:49] <graft> WaxyFresh: erm, sounds like gnome is making X crash
[07:49] <ccclll> hello, i have a weird problem.  If I remove my $HOME content, fonts become _huge_ and everything takes much longer (font rendering?)
[07:50] <graft> WaxyFresh: read your X error logs
[07:50] <WaxyFresh> graft: what section of the newspaper is that in?
[07:50] <graft> ccclll: what do you mean, remove your $HOME content?
[07:50] <graft> WaxyFresh: err, /var/log/Xorg.0.log, usually
[07:51] <WaxyFresh> graft: thanks
[07:51] <ccclll> I have a user who has the problem, and i don't, when I mv * .??* temporarly to /tmp/backup I have the same problem
[07:51] <WaxyFresh> graft: does it apend to the log or does each restart replace the old log?\
[07:51] <ccclll> so it's somewhere in the default settings
[07:51] <graft> ccclll: yeah, that's usually a bad idea. your home directory contains all sorts of configuration files
[07:51] <graft> WaxyFresh: replaces, usually
[07:52] <graft> WaxyFresh: it might back it up in Xorg.0.log.old
[07:52] <ccclll> the other user never moved the home content, I just wanted to find out if he messed it up by himself
[07:52] <Silent_G> stdin, what i want to connect is a DreamBox Satelite Reciever
[07:52] <WaxyFresh> thanks
[07:52] <Silent_G> that site talks about modems :S
[07:52] <ubuntu__> hi how can i sort my bcm4318 problem ?
[07:53] <graft> ccclll: well, that's why your fonts are getting all "huge" - because you moved all your configuration information out of your home directory, and it's reverting to system defaults
[07:53] <ccclll> but how is a new user supposed to get a working desktop?
[07:53] <ccclll> aren
[07:54] <ccclll> aren't the system defaults used in this case?
[07:54] <ccclll> i will create another user and see if his kde will be messed up as well
[07:54] <ccclll> brb
[07:55] <zimmo> does anybody know how can I block ssh connections with a single command?
[07:55] <zimmo> I mean to not allow connections
[07:55] <ubuntu__> thanks
[07:56] <stdin> zimmo: sudo apt-get remove openssh-server ?
[07:56] <Silent_G> please, have sombody ever connected a satelite reciever on ubuntu? with the COM1 Port
[07:56] <Silent_G> :s
[07:56] <ccclll> graft: the same for a newly created user
[07:56] <stdin> zimmo: or just stop the server "sudo /etc/init.d/ssh stop"
[07:56] <zimmo> stdin: thats right
[07:56] <zimmo> okay, thanks
[07:56] <zimmo> moment
[07:56] <CensorBard> Query: Does Ubuntu require that the swap partition be separate from the installation partition, or can it be the same as the installation partition?
[07:57] <ccclll> i changed the graphics card from a nvidia to an integrated intel
[07:57] <ccclll> might have something to do with that
[07:57] <zimmo> bash: /etc/init.d/ssh: No such file or directory
[07:57] <zimmo> am i safe?
[07:57] <vzduch> CensorBard: swap is a different filesystem, so it can by definition not be the same partition
[07:57] <stdin> CensorBard: the clue "swap partition", so it can't be the same partition, you can have a swap file tho
[07:58] <stdin> zimmo: if you don't have the ssh server installed then no one can connect :p
[07:58] <zimmo> stdin: is the swap partition used by standard?
[07:58] <stdin> yep
[07:58] <ccclll> zimmo: to be sure make a netstat -l    inside a konsole window
[07:58] <CensorBard> Additional query: Will Kubuntu work from a swap file if no swap partition is specified?
[07:58] <ccclll> and verify that there is no process listening on port 22
[07:59] <zimmo> yes...
[07:59] <zimmo> i am reading know the dangerous doors
[07:59] <zimmo> or ports whatever
[07:59] <stdin> CensorBard: you can have a swap file if you want, you just need to specify it in /etc/fstab
[07:59] <zimmo> oh okj
[07:59] <zimmo> port 22, thanks
[07:59] <stdin> zimmo: there are NO ports open by default
[08:00] <stdin> !away | cloakable
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[08:00] <zimmo> on my system there are many
[08:00] <zimmo> i saw
[08:00] <zimmo> 62875
[08:01] <zimmo> 2207
[08:01] <zimmo> 2208 ipp and ww
[08:01] <stdin> zimmo: that's the browser and your irc client etc
[08:01] <zimmo> good
[08:01] <stdin> zimmo: there are no services started by defailt
[08:01] <zimmo> ah i see
[08:01] <zimmo> sorry
[08:01] <genii> CensorBard: It won't uatodetect and then use partitions which have been marked as swap areas if thats what you are wondering
[08:02] <CensorBard> Genii: I am beginning to realize this the hard way.
[08:02] <genii> *autodetect* rather
[08:02] <stepmanic> need some help here ppl.. i installed beryl on my hp ze2000 , but when i try to login with xgl, and then the gray background with the "x" mose cursor show for 3sec, then everything goes black and nothing will respond:s
[08:03] <zimmo> stdin it would be interesting to make a code that get these open ports, and check if any of them are dangerous
[08:03] <stdin> zimmo: depends what you mean by dangerous
[08:03] <zimmo> trojan ports etc
[08:04] <zimmo> but the hacker can change it anyway dont him?
[08:04] <stdin> zimmo: trojan? you're thinking windows
[08:04] <stdin> !virus | zimmo
[08:04] <ubotu> zimmo: A/V software is available, however read this to understand why Linux does not have a virus problem: http://librenix.com/?inode=21
[08:04] <zimmo> there are no trojan in Linux?!
[08:04] <zimmo> ah
[08:04] <zimmo> i thought virus and trojans were different subjects
[08:05] <zimmo> so it is interesting
[08:05] <zimmo> i read this article yerstday
[08:05] <BluesKaj> zimmo, other apps can't write to your disk without your permission
[08:05] <ryanakca> zimmo: yes, trojans and viruses are two different things.
[08:06] <stdin> zimmo: linux is not windows, we are more secure. the only way a "trojan" could be installed is if you did something like "sudo ./install-this-trojan.sh"
[08:08] <zimmo> hehe
[08:08] <zimmo> i would not doubt it from me stdin!!!
[08:09] <zimmo> but you know, a linux expert is smarter than a windows expert i guess
[08:09] <zimmo> in terms of hacking
[08:09] <zimmo> then it is not ALL THAT secure i guess
[08:09] <underdog5004> absolutely
[08:09] <stdin> heh "windows expert"? what's that
[08:09] <zimmo> some windows network manager
[08:09] <zimmo> and a linux network manger
[08:09] <BluesKaj> here we go with hacking thing again...:(
[08:09] <zimmo> no no, i dont like it
[08:09] <stdin> btw, hacking != cracking
[08:10] <BluesKaj> pointless exercise
[08:10] <vzduch> that's the people who don't know what 'hacking' is in the first place
[08:10] <zimmo> sorry if i use the wrong word
[08:10] <underdog5004> the media screws it up all the time...probably don't want to offend the trailer-trash of America...
[08:10] <underdog5004> ermm, *white* trailer trash of America
[08:11] <zimmo> i think there are a lot of BAD linux users too
[08:11] <zimmo> they are human beigs
[08:11] <BluesKaj> or "foxdumbdown" news
[08:11] <underdog5004> BluesKaj, you see that story about "Anonymous" on CNN?
[08:11] <zimmo> hehe
[08:12] <genii> hackers= ppl who like to know how things work, explore, not malicious   cracker=malicious, mostly uninventive usage of premade probing tools etc
[08:12] <BluesKaj> nope underdog5004
[08:12] <underdog5004> lemme grab the link
[08:12] <zimmo> so i dont aprove cracking
[08:12] <zimmo> becuase the computer is my property.. you can enter on it without my permission
[08:12] <CensorBard> BluesKaj: Apparantly "Fox News" thinks that the "Anonymous" popularized by 4chan is a violent, hacking terrorist group.
[08:12] <vzduch> genii: to hack = (originally) write a program
[08:12] <zimmo> i see
[08:13] <zimmo> cracking is a kind of thief stuff
[08:13] <zimmo> like someone trying to shut down your house's door and steal all
[08:13] <mrksbrd> please forgive me i'm new to linux, and need to get some hardware installed and i'm having difficulty with this whole make, compile, install shit...I have read things out there on how to do it but it is still greek to me since I am coming from a windows environment and really have no clue with linux
[08:13] <genii> zimmo Mainly it's that cracking is about being malicious
[08:13] <BluesKaj> the situation room ...what a pretentious title for a news show
[08:13] <zimmo> okay
[08:13] <DBO> mrksbrd, what are you trying to install?
[08:13] <jhutchins> The distinction between "hacker" and "cracker" is one that's only made by people who already know more about the subject than the people they are trying to reach.  It's essentially an artificial distinction.  To the general windows user, anybody who can fix a PC is a hacker - and probably dangerous.
[08:14] <vzduch> mrksbrd: what exotic hardware do you have that you need to build a program for?
[08:14] <zimmo> a terrorist arabic hacker have shut down my XP yesterday
[08:14] <mrksbrd> 2 things....verizon aircard & my built in wifi card
[08:14] <genii> vzduch: Interesting :) Tho I figured there were hackers before then, they just did stuff like hacked electronics or so on
[08:14] <zimmo> ops
[08:14] <zimmo> cracker!
[08:14] <jhutchins> Let's get back on topic and help this guy.
[08:14] <zimmo> a terrorist cracker i meant
[08:14] <mrksbrd> i found the drivers needed, but this whole process that you have to go thru is confusing me
[08:15] <vzduch> genii: imho it's pretty descriptive a term.. ppl who don't know how to write w/ 10 fingers usually 'hack' the code into their keyboard w/ 1 or 2 fingers :>
[08:15] <jhutchins> mrksbrd: What have you done so far?
[08:15] <vzduch> s/write/type/
[08:15] <stdin> !offtopic | the whole channel
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[08:15] <BluesKaj> CensorBard, 4chan ?...not familiar
[08:15] <underdog5004> BluesKaj, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DNO6G4ApJQY
[08:15] <genii> LOL OK ontopic then
[08:15] <jhutchins> mrksbrd: There is a guide at  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware
[08:16] <sonhadorpr> How do I install FireFox 2.0.0.6 in KDE?  It should do the automatic updates on the repositories, but It didnt do it.
[08:16] <mrksbrd> yea i've ben there, but i guess my problem is not understanding the process
[08:17] <underdog5004> sonhadorpr, 2.0.0.6 isn't out yet.
[08:17] <underdog5004> 2.0.0.5 just came out
[08:17] <vzduch> underdog5004: it is.. for Windows
[08:17] <sonhadorpr> yes it is....I just DLd it
[08:17] <mrksbrd> i know once i ido it 1 time....thats all it will take
[08:17] <underdog5004> he he...whoops
[08:17] <sonhadorpr> the web site gave me the 2006 for linux
[08:17] <underdog5004> my bad
[08:17] <CensorBard> BluesKaj: English-language derivative of the Japanese 2ch. The Japanese variant is an image board spanning a broad range of topics. The English variant gives us such wonderful things like, "TITS OR GTFO" or, "/b/tards", etc, etc.
[08:17] <vzduch> maybe the 2.0.0.6 is already out for Linux as well.. but not yet packaged, I guess
[08:17] <sonhadorpr> well...I could be mistaken...anybody care to look at mozilla.com and let me know?
[08:18] <stdin> sonhadorpr: you'd have to manually install it, check https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FirefoxNewVersion for tips (tho it's not for that version)
[08:18] <CensorBard> Now let's hope that update-grub works this bloody time around.
[08:18] <jhutchins> mrksbrd: Other than the guide, there's not much we can do to help unless you ask a specific question or tell us specifically what is happening (not what isn't).
[08:19] <mrksbrd> i will read the article(s) again, but i guess my biggest problem is not knowing commands
[08:20] <underdog5004> mrksbrd, ./configure
[08:20] <underdog5004> make
[08:20] <underdog5004> sudo make install
[08:20] <CensorBard> Huzzah! Now to install that XP partition.
[08:21] <mrksbrd> i appreciate your help <jutchins>
[08:21] <jhutchins> mrksbrd: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/DOS-Win-to-Linux-HOWTO.html , https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BasicCommands
[08:21] <CensorBard> underdog5004: You still going to pull up that link? The rest of the world should probably hear about it, and all do a collective banging of the head against their keyboards.
[08:21] <CensorBard> Thanks for your help, everyone.
[08:21] <mrksbrd> sudo is like admin rights correct?
[08:21] <underdog5004> CensorBard, uh...which link?
[08:21] <nicolai_> mrksbrd: when copying commands to the Konsole, use shift + insert to paste.
[08:22] <jhutchins> underdog5004: The other things are un-taring to a sensible location and setting up the kernel headers.
[08:22] <nicolai_> mrksbrd: yes
[08:22] <jhutchins> mrksbrd: Yes.  Never use it to run a GUI app though.
[08:22] <CensorBard> underdog5004: Fox News and "Anonymous".
[08:22] <jhutchins> !kdesu | mrksbrd
[08:22] <ubotu> mrksbrd: In KDE, use  kdesu  to run graphical applications with root privileges when you have to. Do *not* use  sudo <GUI application> ; you can muck up your permissions/config files. For what to use in GNOME, see !gksudo
[08:22] <underdog5004> CensorBard, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DNO6G4ApJQY
[08:23] <underdog5004> jhutchins, sudo tar -xf /path/to/file.tar /path/to/sensible/location, right?
[08:23] <jhutchins> underdog5004: Not sure that works, I've not been able to specify a target.  You're supposed to be able to use -C, but I haven't figured the syntax yet.
[08:24] <genii> for tar?
[08:24] <underdog5004> jhutchins, have the man pages helped at all?
[08:24] <jhutchins> underdog5004: Usually it's cd /path/to/sensible/location (~/location) then tar xzvf - and not sudo.
[08:24] <mrksbrd> hutch, that is another thing what is the purpose of the kernel header, does everything have to point to this when trying to untar something?
[08:24] <underdog5004> jhutchins, if I'm building something, I'll move the source to /usr/local/src
[08:24] <genii> it's like:  tar -xvzf sometarfile.tar.gz -C /some/dir/you/want/utarred/to
[08:24] <underdog5004> that requires sudo
[08:25] <jhutchins> mrksbrd: No, it's so that the various components and options of the installed kernel can be incorporated or linked to by the module.
[08:25] <underdog5004> lol
[08:25] <jhutchins> underdog5004: But you're not supposed to build with root privilages.
[08:26] <mrksbrd> i want to give this OS a chance, and when I can't figure something out I get frustratd & give up!!!
[08:26] <jhutchins> mrksbrd: The difficult thing about linux is that there is so much to learn at the very beginning.  It's called a steep learning curve.
[08:26] <jhutchins> mrksbrd: Once you learn it though, you'll really enjoy how much control you have over your system.
[08:26] <mrksbrd> yea u ain't kiddin
[08:27] <Tomi-idle> looking back some of the things that looked terribly weird and hard now are simple as pie to do in linux
[08:27] <mrksbrd> especially coming from windows, everything is just point & click
[08:27] <Tomi-idle> that's what kde & gnome try to be.. point & click
[08:27] <mrksbrd> that's what i'm gong to have to ween myself fro
[08:27] <Tomi-idle> they're just not there yet
[08:27] <BluesKaj> mrksbrd, some patience is required , in order to keep the frustration levels low :)
[08:27] <stdin> no, windows is "point, click, reboot, repeat"
[08:28] <Tomi-idle> lol
[08:28] <Tomi-idle> and lots of blue
[08:28] <mrksbrd> lol...true
[08:28] <Tomi-idle> ms did a good job selecting color for windows users to keep calm..
[08:28] <mrksbrd> alright i'm going to go study this, thanks all for th help, i'll prolly be back later i'm sure
[08:29] <jhutchins> mrksbrd: Have fun!
[08:31] <lost^alien> I thought linux is 99% point and click now, at least with desktop apps and functionality?
[08:31] <lost^alien> There's a gui for everything now
[08:32] <BluesKaj> some stuff still works better in the cli
[08:33] <lost^alien> true, and I love the cli, but there's a front end for almost evrything is my point. works better or not
[08:33] <lost^alien> mrksbrd: I'm interested. What are some of your biggest frustrations.
[08:33] <facugaich> How can I extract some frames from a vid to make a .gif?
[08:34] <RadiantFire_> sorry, asked a question earlier and then internet cut out and I dropped, does anyone know if you can put a network interface back under knetworkmanager's control after giving it a static config?
[08:38] <graft> RadiantFire: static config where who what? you mean in /etc/network/interfaces?
[08:39] <RadiantFire> graft: I gave an interface a static configuration, so it has an entry in /etc/network/interfaces, is there a button somewhere I can push that says, make me automatic again, or do I have to edit /etc/network/interfaces by hand
[08:39] <RadiantFire> setting the interface to dhcp in knetworkconf doesn't seem to do the trick
[08:40] <graft> RadiantFire: as far as i know, knetworkmanager is just an interface to the dbus networkmanager, which more or less ignores /etc/network/interfaces
[08:40] <stdin> RadiantFire: just stop the interface "sudo ifdown (interface)" and network manager should be able to use it
[08:40] <RadiantFire> ok
[08:40] <fdoving> stdin: doesn't networkmanager ignore devices listed in /etc/network/interfaces ? - that used to be true, not sure if it still is.
[08:40] <RadiantFire> i think it is, its very vexijng
[08:41] <fdoving> stdin: as in, if the device is listed in /etc/network/interfaces network manager doesn't try to manage the device.
[08:41] <stdin> fdoving: no, it says  the interface is set to "manual
[08:41] <fdoving> stdin: exactly.
[08:41] <RadiantFire> and I know the little applet thingy for gnome has a roaming checkbox, I was just wondering if ther was something similar
[08:41] <stdin> fdoving: when it's "manual" it won't configure it (if it's active)
[08:41] <vge> i have found network manager the most unrelaible thing ever :U
[08:42] <graft> it's been improving, i find
[08:42] <fdoving> network manager is very reliable with intel cards, atleast for me.
[08:42] <graft> recent versions have been pretty good for me... at least for wifi
[08:43] <graft> roaming checkbox?
[08:43] <RadiantFire> graft: yeah, there is a checkbox in the gnome network systool in ubuntu for making an interface "roaming" seems to delete the interface from /etc/network/interfaces
[08:47] <AhDiCt3D> If i download gutsy will it update to the next "tribe" after it is released?
[08:47] <stdin> all a "tribe" is, is a mile stone, you just update as normal one in gutsy
[08:48] <AhDiCt3D> ok is there any way i can install gutsy via net without a cd?
[08:48] <cameron> hey, when I installed my ati drivers for my X1650, my gui is showing graphical errors
[08:48] <cameron> windows are re-writing over eachother
[08:49] <stdin> AhDiCt3D: yeah, from update-manager, i think it's "gksu update-manager -c -d"
[08:50] <cameron> how do I restart Xserver?
[08:50] <stdin> AhDiCt3D: or you can just repace "feisty" with "gutsy" in your sources.list
[08:51] <cameron> how do I restart Xserver?
[08:51] <meson100> cameron: Ctrl +alt+Backspace
[08:52] <nex> Hi
[08:53] <event_ide> my audio is not working. it worked before, but quit working.
[08:54] <graft> event_ide: are you running arts?
[08:54] <event_ide> graft; i don't believe so
[08:54] <cameron> hey, when I installed my ati drivers, I encountered graphical errors, (windows re-writing over eachother)
[08:54] <graft> event_ide: well, what about your audio 'isn't working'?
[08:54] <event_ide> graft; just alsa. whatever kubuntu installs by default
[08:55] <graft> event_ide: ps -ef | grep arts, just to be sure
[08:55] <jodoe> A bit off topic, but anyone know if its possible to hide #ifdef statements based on a conditional from within Kdevelop?
[08:55] <cameron> hey, when I installed my ati drivers, I encountered graphical errors, (windows re-writing over eachother)
[08:55] <stdin> is there an echo in here?
[08:56] <sephy> hey guys
[08:56] <cameron> yes
[08:57] <sephy> where can i get a copy of wine for the powerPC version of ubuntu?
[08:57] <cameron> anyone have any ideas?
[08:57] <stdin> !ppc
[08:57] <ubotu> PowerPC.  Formerly used by Apple for the Macintosh line of computers. Variants are now used in popular gaming consoles. PPC was a fully supported Ubuntu architecture up to and including edgy. It is now a community port, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PowerPCFAQ
[08:57] <graft> cameron: stop using those ati drivers, eh
[08:58] <event_ide> graft; dave       5653  5606  0 13:52 ?          00:00:00 /usr/bin/artsd -F 10 -S 4096 -s 60 -m artsmessage -c drkonqi -l 3 -f
[08:58] <event_ide> graft; not quite sure what that means
[08:58] <Kr4t05> There isn't any sort of tool that allows for an animated wallpaper, is there?
[09:00] <sephy> ok
[09:00] <sephy> that makes sense
[09:00] <graft> event_ide: you're running arts. probably it is grabbing the sound card and not playing nice with other apps
[09:01] <event_ide> graft; what do you suggest to fix the problem?
[09:01] <stdin> sephy: bacically, wine doesn't work on PPC
[09:01] <graft> event_ide: you should disable arts via kcontrol
[09:01] <graft> event_ide: after that, i think pretty much everything should play well together
[09:02] <event_ide> graft; k, thanks for the help
[09:02] <graft> event_ide: you might have to kill arts by hand (pkill -9 -f arts)
[09:02] <graft> also, it sounds dumb, but make sure your alsamixer volume is turned up
[09:02] <event_ide> yea, they are
[09:04] <event_ide> graft; where do i disable arts in kcontrol? i don't see an option for arts
[09:04] <graft> event_ide: sound & multimedia/sound system, de-select the 'enable the sound system' box
[09:05] <event_ide> graft; k
[09:05] <graft> event_ide: also sudo rm /usr/bin/arts is not an unreasonable thing to do, though you might be leary of such extreme measures
[09:06] <event_ide> graft; right
[09:07] <graft> hm apparently that is spelled 'leery', my bad
[09:07] <lost^alien> Kr4t05: xwinwrap - here is a video on youtube demonstrating it http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Bc3w-HJs9s
[09:08] <event_ide> graft; will i have to reboot for changes to take effect?
[09:08] <event_ide> graft; or restart x
[09:08] <event_ide> graft; still no sound
[09:13] <Karti> Hi, just installed Restricted Devices Manager, any ideas how to start it from the command line as I can't see the application in the menu
[09:13] <Ubuntu1980> I need help, I can't set the screen refresh in 85, I know how to do it, but 85 is not in the options,
[09:14] <Ubuntu1980> please, can't find the solution in google
[09:14] <Karti> Ubuntu1980: just checking that you are not using a TFT
[09:15] <Ubuntu1980> TFY? what's that
[09:15] <Karti> using a lcd monitor
[09:15] <Ubuntu1980> no
[09:15] <Ubuntu1980> viewsonic E70-8
[09:15] <vzduch> Karti: hit Alt+F2, then type 'kdesu restricted-manager'
[09:16] <Karti> its just that you dont use refresh rates with TFT/LCD
[09:16] <Karti> vzduch: many thanks
[09:16] <vzduch> Karti: well, you do..
[09:17] <vzduch> w/ my TFT it's a difference if I use it @ 60 Hz or @ 75 Hz
[09:17] <Karti> I was under the impression that it does not refesh in the same manner
[09:17] <vzduch> the thing is that it's just not as visible as w/ a CRT
[09:17] <BluesKaj> was taking some tutorial advice about how to defeat the caps lock problem ... however , for some reason it refuses to follow the command that i placed in the ~/.bashrc as directed by this tutoriual site: http://linuxplanet.com/linuxplanet/tutorials/6401/1/...any suggestions ?
[09:17] <vzduch> what caps lock problem?
[09:18] <BluesKaj> mine:)
[09:18] <BluesKaj> big fingers
[09:18] <vzduch> o0
[09:18] <mankeletor> hey guys, do you think feisty would be too much for a P3 550Mhz PC?
[09:18] <BluesKaj> hate it
[09:18] <BluesKaj> RAM ?
[09:19] <mankeletor> 256MB
[09:19] <vzduch> should be good
[09:19] <mankeletor> but serial mice is not detected =(
[09:19] <sephy> is the PPC version still supported?
[09:19] <BluesKaj> make a 500mb swap file for it
[09:19] <vzduch> 256 MB is enough anyway, as for the CPU I don't know.. I have a Athlon 900 MHz, and there are reportedly ppl out there running on PIII 650 MHz system w/o problems
[09:20] <vzduch> serial mouse? o0
[09:20] <bert2> hello peeps...
[09:20] <mankeletor> yes, serial mouse
[09:20] <Karti> vzduch: nice bit of info - http://www.spodesabode.com/content/article/tftbuyers/2
[09:20] <vzduch> last time I used one I had a Pentium 75 MHz..
[09:20] <bert2> downloading kubuntu to pop my linux cherry =)
[09:21] <Karti> vzduch: but don't shout at me.....I like this channel ;)
[09:21] <sephy> is the power pc version of ubuntu still supported?
[09:21] <vzduch> Karti: ?
[09:21] <bert2> i used fedora last week and it sucks bawlz... nothing but problems :S
[09:21] <Karti> tff stuff
[09:21] <Karti> tft stuff even
[09:22] <graft> i have an fc6 machine at home... it has the incredibly annoying habit of changing ownership permissions in /dev all the time
[09:22] <graft> makes it absolutely impossible to use
[09:22] <graft> i think it's just not designed to be a multi-user machine
[09:26] <savetheWorld> graft: I suspect thats not the reason.  check in #fedora
[09:29] <BluesKaj> vzduch, perhaps the ~/.bashrc file is the wrong file for this command : xmodmap -e "remove lock = Caps_Lock"
[09:31] <jhutchins> BluesKaj: .bashrc is for things to start for every bash (dash?) shell
[09:31] <BluesKaj> the command works in the terminal until reboot or relogin
[09:31] <jhutchins> BluesKaj: Perhaps .xinitrc
[09:33] <attunix> can i boot my computer from an iso disk image?
[09:33] <attunix> i dont have any cd-r's nearby
[09:33] <graft> savetheWorld: no, i know why it happens, it's just a really poorly designed system, i think
[09:34] <savetheWorld> k
[09:35] <graft> attunix: how do you propose to do that? your disk image is sitting on some file system, correct?
[09:36] <jhutchins> graft: /dev is pretty dynamic under any udev system.
[09:36] <attunix> graft: true... :(
[09:36] <graft> attunix: you could make a partition, write the ISO to that partition, and then make that bootable, maybe...
[09:36] <attunix> graft: how?
[09:37] <graft> attunix: err, in the usual way
[09:37] <attunix> graft: i don't know how
[09:37] <vzduch> well, at first you need to boot from a method the BIOS can understand
[09:37] <jhutchins> attunix: What kind of iso is it?
[09:37] <attunix> just a .iso file
[09:37] <jhutchins> attunix: ... of what?
[09:37] <graft> is it something you can boot from?
[09:37] <attunix> dream linux
[09:37] <attunix> yes
[09:37] <jhutchins> attunix: A live CD or an installer?
[09:38] <graft> seems like the easiest thing would be... find a cd writer
[09:38] <bert2> can someone explaine the difference between the CD and DVD installation medias?
[09:38] <graft> they're practically lying around on the street these days
[09:38] <attunix> i know, i can burn cds, but i don't have any cd's to burn to
[09:38] <graft> spend the $.05 and save yourself a lot of headache
[09:39] <graft> jhutchins: okay, but /dev permissions shouldn't change every time a new person logs in to KDE
[09:40] <Briareos1> i am looking for a software to draw relationships between persons categorized in where they live (as diagrams). i know dia but i'd like something more specific for that need. any recommendations?
[09:46] <mankeletor> i got it... i need to do "sudo ln -s /dev/ttyS0 /dev/mouse"
[09:46] <mankeletor> after that how I restart xserver in feisty?
[09:47] <Briareos1> something like this (at best automatically generated from data given): http://ueberzeugt.com/Personal_Relations_example.png
[09:51] <DaSkreech> How do I theme the fonts for the history plugin in Kopete?
[09:53] <attunix> how do i log in as root
[09:53] <attunix> ?
[09:53] <Briareos1> what exactly do you want to do?
[09:54] <Briareos1> want to be root in a console?
[09:54] <Briareos1> just type "sudo bash"
[09:54] <attunix> copy some things into  /   - graphical
[09:54] <Briareos1> attunix: kdesu konqueror
[09:54] <attunix> thanks
[09:54] <DaSkreech> !root
[09:54] <ubotu> do not try to guess the root password, that is impossible. Instead, realise the truth.. there is no root password. Then you will see that it is sudo that grants you access and not the root password. Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo
[09:55] <attunix> thanks
[09:55] <araizen> i recently installed kubuntu, and since it seems that the volume is lower, even with the volume turned all the way up on the hardware, on amarok and in kmix
[09:55] <araizen> does anyone have any idea how i might be able to fix that?
[09:55] <vge> araizen: have u turned your PCM channel high enough?
[09:56] <araizen> vge: where can i do that?
[09:56] <vge> atleast kmixer has "mixer" settings :)
[09:56] <vge> donno that meny realy gui ways to change it
[09:57] <DaSkreech> araizen: Middle click on the speaker in the systray
[09:57] <nicolai_> araizen: Kmix -> mixer -> PCM
[09:58] <attunix> how can i enable the root account and set the root password
[09:58] <attunix> ?
[09:58] <vge> why you want to do that?
[09:58] <Daisuke_Ido> attunix: why?
[09:58] <Daisuke_Ido> there's absolutely no reason to.
[09:58] <attunix> i want to copy files into   /  graphically
[09:58] <araizen> nicolai_: that's it, thanks
[09:58] <araizen> i wonder how i missed it
[09:58] <Daisuke_Ido> attunix: kdesu konqueror
[09:59] <nicolai_> araizen: having PCM turned up distorts the audio on my laptop, so I was happily suprised when I updated to Feisty :)
[09:59] <attunix> ok.
[09:59] <Daisuke_Ido> basically, run konqueror as admin :)
[09:59] <attunix> i'll try
[09:59] <morphinex> howdy folks
[10:00] <attunix> thanks! it works!
[10:00] <Daisuke_Ido> you're welcome
[10:00] <morphinex> I'm having this program with trying to update
[10:00] <Briareos1> attunix: hey i told you that before :P
[10:00] <Daisuke_Ido> hehe
[10:00] <morphinex> The installation freezes on "unpacking replacement linux-headers-2.6.17-12-generic"
[10:00] <Silent_G> how can i know the ip address of a machine connected to the same modem with me?
[10:01] <attunix> Briareos1: true, but it took a while for my computer to load it and i found a new konqueror window and thought "where did this window come from?" and closed it :P
[10:01] <attunix> bye everyone
[10:01] <morphinex> I'm using edgy, trying to get ready to go to feisty
[10:01] <Briareos1> ggg
[10:02] <jhutchins> Daisuke_Ido: I wonder what he was copying to /?  Generally you don't want any files there.
[10:02] <jhutchins> morphinex: How long have you left it frozen?
[10:03] <Silent_G> how can i know the ip address of a machine connected to the same modem with me?
[10:03] <morphinex> 1 hour
[10:03] <jhutchins> morphinex: That's pretty frozen.
[10:03] <Daisuke_Ido> jhutchins: not sure...  it would be wrong to say i'm somewhat amused by the thought though
[10:03] <morphinex> jhutchins: it sure is, and the computer isn't grinding or anything
[10:03] <miles> is there a secret to taking screenshots in kubuntu?
[10:03] <Briareos1> jhutchins: i was about to say "see you in about 5 minutes, when you ask about repairing your system" :D
[10:03] <jhutchins> morphinex: So it's still stuck there?
[10:03] <frojnd> is anyone here form France? how is written "CLIENE" the town that is famous by horses, near Taize ??
[10:03] <morphinex> jhutchins: sure is
[10:03] <jhutchins> morphinex: Try Ctrl-C
[10:03] <vge> miles: press printscreen
[10:04] <miles> i know, but i go to paste it into gimp and nothin
[10:04] <miles> with compiz, i can do it, but i dont have compiz on my work laptop
[10:04] <jhutchins> morphinex: Just once, should skip to the next package.
[10:04] <morphinex> jhutchins: nothing yet
[10:04] <Briareos1> miles why not safe it to disk and open in gimp?
[10:04] <jhutchins> morphinex: Give it a few tries then.
[10:05] <miles> not sure how to save a screen shot to disk
[10:05] <morphinex> jhutchins: nope, still dead
[10:05] <jhutchins> morphinex: Is there another machine you could connect to it via ssh?
[10:05] <jhutchins> morphinex: Or possibly switch to another console?
[10:05] <Briareos1> miles: did "ksnapshot" show up when u pressed "printscreen"?
[10:05] <morphinex> jhutchins: sure thing, I have another console open now
[10:05] <jhutchins> morphinex: ps ax will probably show what process it's stuck on.
[10:06] <morphinex> jhutchins: yeah, you think I should kill it?
[10:06] <jhutchins> morphinex: Yes.
[10:07] <morphinex> jhutchins: can't kill it
[10:07] <morphinex> jhutchins: even tried kill -9
[10:07] <jhutchins> morphinex: Nasty.
[10:07] <miles> ksnapshot, thanks thats all i needed
[10:07] <jhutchins> morphinex: Is there a parent task you can kill?
[10:08] <morphinex> jhutchins: ah yes, that worked
[10:08] <Briareos1> miles: np; usually "printscreen" is connected to launching ksnapshot ...
[10:08] <jhutchins> morphinex: So this hung on the GUI updater, right?
[10:08] <jhutchins> morphinex: How's your free disk space?
[10:08] <morphinex> It hung using adept
[10:08] <morphinex> using synaptic
[10:08] <morphinex> and using apt-get
[10:09] <morphinex> I have plenty of disk space
[10:09] <Briareos1> any idea where i can good recommendation of applications?
[10:10] <jhutchins> morphinex: Have you fsck'ed it lately?
[10:10] <morphinex> jhutchins: nope
[10:10] <vge> Briareos1: iw found this place to be an deacent one
[10:10] <jhutchins> !equivalents | Briareos1
[10:10] <ubotu> Briareos1: A comprehensive list of of Windows-equivalent applications in Linux can be found at http://www.linuxrsp.ru/win-lin-soft/table-eng.html and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WhatWindowsUsersWant
[10:11] <jhutchins> morphinex: You might try that.  I can think of three possibilities:  Net connection (or server), bad disk space, or bad RAM.
[10:11] <morphinex> jhutchins: hmm
[10:11] <Briareos1> jhutchins: thx - but as i don't remember when i booted a windows last time i can't think of an linux-equivalent app in windows either :P
[10:12] <morphinex> jhutchins: I obviously have a net connection, and I've runn a memcheck recently
[10:12] <jhutchins> morphinex: I mean you could be having trouble with the connection to the server.
[10:13] <morphinex> jhutchins: yeah, but it hangs after downloading the package, during the install process
[10:13] <jhutchins> morphinex: Always the same package?
[10:14] <morphinex> jhutchins: yeah
[10:14] <DaSkreech> Briareos1: What are you looking for?
[10:14] <morphinex> jhutchins: linux kernel headers
[10:14] <DaSkreech> morphinex: get it from packages.ubuntu.com
[10:15] <jhutchins> morphinex: Obviously skip that package, upgrade the rest, then go back and see why.
[10:15] <morphinex> dpkg does throw me some errors
[10:15] <washington> ayuda por fa
[10:16] <jhutchins> morphinex: That's probably significant.
[10:16] <morphinex> serious warning, files list for package missing
[10:16] <jhutchins> !es | washington
[10:16] <ubotu> washington: Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[10:16] <morphinex> that's the error
[10:17] <DaSkreech> ! Fr frojnd
[10:17] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about fr frojnd - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:17] <DaSkreech> !Fr | frojnd
[10:17] <ubotu> frojnd: Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[10:18] <Yorokobi> What's the website that lists Windows apps and their Linux equivalents ?
[10:19] <vge>  !equivalents
[10:19] <ubotu> A comprehensive list of of Windows-equivalent applications in Linux can be found at http://www.linuxrsp.ru/win-lin-soft/table-eng.html and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WhatWindowsUsersWant
[10:20] <Briareos1> DaSkreech: some app that displays relations between persons - somehow like this: http://ueberzeugt.com/Personal_Relations_example.png
[10:21] <Yorokobi> thanks, vge
[10:21] <DaSkreech> Like a family tree?
[10:21] <DaSkreech> I guess you could mind map that
[10:21] <Briareos1> DaSkreech somehow - but now only family - also stuff like "neighbour" or "friend" ....
[10:21] <DaSkreech> !info kdissert
[10:21] <ubotu> kdissert: mindmapping tool. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.0.6.c-2ubuntu1 (feisty), package size 895 kB, installed size 2668 kB
[10:23] <DaSkreech> !info labryntih
[10:23] <DaSkreech> !info vym
[10:23] <ubotu> Package labryntih does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas
[10:23] <ubotu> vym: mindmapping tool. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.8.1-2 (feisty), package size 1128 kB, installed size 2768 kB
[10:23] <Briareos1> DaSkreech: good hints i think! thx!
[10:23] <DaSkreech> !info labrynitnh
[10:23] <ubotu> Package labrynitnh does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas
[10:23] <DaSkreech> Blast
[10:23] <DaSkreech> can anyone spell? :)
[10:23] <Briareos1> gg :)
[10:23] <Briareos1> !info labyrinth
[10:23] <ubotu> labyrinth: lightweight mind-mapping tool. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.3-0ubuntu2 (feisty), package size 73 kB, installed size 524 kB
[10:23] <Briareos1> :D
[10:23] <genii> !info labyrinth
[10:24] <DaSkreech> There we go
[10:24] <DaSkreech>  there is also freemind which for some reason isn't in repos
[10:25] <Briareos1> DaSkreech have you tried any of them? can you recommend "the best"?
[10:25] <DaSkreech> I've used fereemind and kdissert
[10:25] <DaSkreech>  I like them both
[10:25] <gan|y|med> hi
[10:25] <DaSkreech> Freemind is colourful :)
[10:26] <Briareos1> :)
[10:27] <Briareos1> in which can i insert images? (that'd be a criteria for deciding)
[10:27] <DaSkreech> Ermm
[10:28] <DaSkreech> Hold on
[10:28] <Briareos1> (sry didn't tell that before)
[10:29] <DaSkreech> !info semantik
[10:29] <ubotu> Package semantik does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas
[10:29] <Briareos1> DaSkreech wiki says freemind can
[10:30] <DaSkreech> Yeah I saw
[10:30] <DaSkreech>  You have to carry thefiles with you
[10:30] <waylandbill__> ok... what is a mind-mapping tool?
[10:30] <DaSkreech> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mind_Mapping
[10:31] <waylandbill__> hmm. looks like brain storming diagram.
[10:32] <waylandbill__> a map of my brain would be a big circle. ;-)
[10:32] <DaSkreech> 0 work :)
[10:32] <Briareos1> lol
[10:34] <waylandbill> I guess that's my "learn a new thing everyday" thing. Now I can wander aimlessly until midnite and try again.
[10:34] <Daisuke_Ido> why stop at one thing though?
[10:34] <Daisuke_Ido> it's still early!
[10:36] <waylandbill> Daisuke_Ido: that would require extra work though. :-)
[10:36] <DaSkreech> Ha
[10:36] <DaSkreech>   the days of Mortal man are 70 and 80 if Mighty
[10:39] <cedric_> bonjour
[10:40] <ikichi> salut
[10:40] <Briareos1> lu
[10:40] <gan|y|med> hi
[10:40] <jacou> hi
[10:40] <ikichi> who speak french
[10:40] <jacou> I do
[10:41] <DaSkreech> !fr
[10:41] <ubotu> Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[10:41] <gan|y|med> when trying to boot the live-cd i get the message "unable to mount root device". apparently, it has sth to do with the way the kernel handles pata drives. any ideas how to fix this?
[10:41] <nicolai_> !dk
[10:41] <ubotu> For at f support til Ubuntu p Dansk bedes du venligst g til #ubuntu-dk. I denne kanal tales kun Engelsk.
[10:42] <ShockValue> i have a filename with some weird characters.. namely $0 and $2 in them, which is hozing me up.. is there someway to ignore those characters in the filename and get bash to take it literally instead of trying to substitue?
[10:43] <ShockValue> example "yydecode: 46af688b/bin/bash4012d4158fb@reader.xsnews.nl.ync: No such file or directory"
[10:43] <ShockValue> notice the "/bin/bash" in there were the filename has $0$2
[10:43] <Yorokobi> ShockValue, does some\$0file work ? Or let bash auto-complete the file name
[10:43] <ShockValue> hrm, let me try
[10:44] <nicolai_> ShockValue: put ' signs around the filename
[10:45] <ShockValue> yeah, it automatically throws '\' in the mix to make it work...
[10:45] <ShockValue> nicolai_: kk, let me try that too
[10:46] <vzduch> ShockValue: that's called escape characters
[10:46] <DaSkreech> ShockValue: try tabbing
[10:46] <DaSkreech> IT should auto escape for you
[10:46] <DaSkreech>  bash is that damn smart
[10:47] <Daisuke_Ido> DaSkreech: too bad bash isn't the default shell :\
[10:47] <graft> it isn't?
[10:47] <Briareos1> so i am backing out now :) bye guys
[10:47] <graft> what's the default shell?
[10:48] <DaSkreech> Daisuke_Ido: Waht?
[10:48] <Daisuke_Ido> dash
[10:48] <graft> since when?
[10:48] <Daisuke_Ido> (it also autoinserts escape characters)
[10:48] <Daisuke_Ido> since feisty
[10:48] <graft> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 4 Jul 12 12:25 /bin/sh -> bash*
[10:49] <graft> i don't even have dash here...
[10:50] <DaSkreech> Daisuke_Ido: No It's bash
[10:50] <angasule> !framebuffer
[10:50] <ubotu> If you would like information on framebuffers, please visit: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FrameBuffer
[10:50] <waylandbill> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 4 2007-06-06 12:12 /bin/sh -> dash
[10:50] <DaSkreech> Daisuke_Ido: users get Bash. Some scripts will get dash
[10:52] <Daisuke_Ido> http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=off&q=ubuntu+default+shell+dash&btnG=Search
[10:52] <angasule> DaSkreech, Daisuke_Ido: to be more precise, /bin/sh is a link to dash, which shows when a broken script expects bash (it should use /bin/bash in that case)
[10:52] <Daisuke_Ido> angasule: oh most certainly
[10:52] <zimmo> what is that site that contains all basic linux commands?
[10:52] <Daisuke_Ido> but /bin/dash is linked to /bin/sh
[10:52] <DaSkreech> !dash
[10:52] <ubotu> /bin/sh links to the DASH shell in Ubuntu Edgy (6.10). Since DASH is not 100% compatible with the BASH shell, some scripts might break. You can make scripts execute using BASH by changing the first line of the script to  #! /bin/bash 
[10:52] <angasule> so all the criticism against ubuntu for using dash is out of ignorance, imho
[10:53] <HomeRoey> crimsun:  hi!
[10:53] <Daisuke_Ido> angasule: never criticized, just pointed it out
[10:53] <DaSkreech> !commands
[10:53] <HomeRoey> crimsun:  I had to reset, and the soundcard no longer plays the music.  What's up with this?
[10:53] <ubotu> The linux terminal or command-line interface is very powerful. Open a terminal via Applications -> Accessories -> Terminal (Gnome) or K-menu -> System -> Konsole (KDE).  Guide: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UsingTheTerminal
[10:53] <HomeRoey> hey Daisuke_Ido
[10:53] <angasule> Daisuke_Ido: oh, I wasn't talking about you (specially since I just joined :P )
[10:53] <zimmo> okay regards
[10:53] <DaSkreech> Daisuke_Ido: but a user typing in a shell is still using bash
[10:53] <angasule> I'm thinking of slashdotters :P
[10:53] <DaSkreech>  You can't even tab in dash it's basically non-interactive
[10:53] <Daisuke_Ido> if a script doesn't work, it's likely the author's fault by making a poor assumption that everyone has bash as /bin/sh
[10:54] <Yorokobi> or dash's fault for not being compatible
[10:54] <graft> i agree... one shouldn't write a script headed with #!/bin/sh
[10:54] <HomeRoey> I have an onboard via82cxxx sound chip; I don't hear any sound from alsa programs (mpg123-alsa and amarok).  What could hte problem be?  I did 'alsamixer' and I see only one, not two IEC958 channels--they don't have volumes, either.
[10:54] <HomeRoey> crimsun:  see above
[10:54] <DaSkreech> !commands > shclient
[10:54] <Daisuke_Ido> DaSkreech: konsole uses bash i believe
[10:55] <DaSkreech> Yorokobi: dash is compatible with sh
[10:55] <DaSkreech> !sound
[10:55] <ubotu> If you're having problems with sound, first ensure ARTS is running, by going to K Menu -> System Settings -> Sound System and making sure "Enable the sound system" is checked. If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP3
[10:55] <Daisuke_Ido> dash is posix compatible, but it's not compatible with bash
[10:55] <Daisuke_Ido> (again, authors, remember #!/bin/bash)
[10:56] <angasule> HomeRoey: make sure no channel is muted (bottom shows MM instead of a number) and raise the volume of /all/ channels
[10:56] <runlevelten> Posix is less important than bash for compatibility's sake, in my opinion.
[10:56] <graft> blah... why would you WANT arts to be running?
[10:56] <Daisuke_Ido> that was a huge problem with the unreal tournament install script
[10:56] <angasule> HomeRoey: also, for testing sound, go to Settings->sound and use one of the 'sound test' buttons
[10:56] <Daisuke_Ido> so i did dpkg-reconfigure dash
[10:56] <angasule> graft: compatibility with crappy programs
[10:56] <Daisuke_Ido> :)
[10:57] <graft> angasule: there's no program i know of that requires arts
[10:57] <graft> i think arts ought to be considered deprecated
[10:57] <graft> it hasn't been under active development for eons
[10:57] <jacou> hihi
[10:57] <morphinex> jhutchins: fixed the dpkg problem
[10:58] <angasule> so, back to the reason I showed up here, how the heck do I activate the framebuffer? I have no /dev/fb0 , I have an nvidia (7600 GT) card
[10:58] <morphinex> jhutchins: turns out that it was fixed by just restarting
[10:58] <angasule> graft: it is, KDE4 won't have it any more
[10:58] <angasule> graft: most programs these days use alsa anyway, I think
[10:59] <graft> yeah... so i don't know why kubuntu enables it by default, especially since so many other apps don't play nicely with it
[10:59] <incorrect> what do i need to install to play dvd's ?
[10:59] <HomeRoey> angasule:  the digital-out channels are not muted
[10:59] <angasule> HomeRoey: analog out works?
[10:59] <HomeRoey> angasule:  like I said, Amarok's frequency analyzer fires away happily, I just don't hear sound.  It happened after I re-set the system.
[10:59] <angasule> !DVD | incorrect
[10:59] <ubotu> incorrect: For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss2" can be found at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - Try k9copy (available in !Universe) for backing up DVDs
[10:59] <HomeRoey> angasule:  I don't know, I only have a digital receiver on the tuner
[11:00] <angasule> HomeRoey: ah, ok, so the current hardware setup used to work under kubuntu?
[11:00] <HomeRoey> right
[11:00] <HomeRoey> But now even when I alsactl restore /etc/asound.conf, it still doesn't work.
[11:00] <graft> is fb support built into the kernel?
[11:00] <runlevelten> graft: there is functionality that needs to be extracted from arts and put elsewhere before it can be deprecated.
[11:01] <angasule> runlevelten: like what? I'm curious :)
[11:01] <HomeRoey> angasule:  For what it's worth, I recall seeing previously /two/ digital out channels where I can select the input source (PCM, etc.)
[11:01] <graft> runlevelten: yeah, me too... i haven't found any
[11:01] <HomeRoey> hey graft, long time no see
[11:02] <graft> runlevelten: i mean it's primary use is software mixing, but we've had alsa dmix to do that for years
[11:02] <hammer_> hi there
[11:02] <Karti> Hi all, I know using Konqueror that when you type in stuff like font etc you can see the fonts personal or system, is there a list of commands that you can use in there?
[11:02] <angasule> HomeRoey: frankly I don't know much about the subject, I know I hate alsamixer :)
[11:02] <graft> err, hi, HomeRoey
[11:02] <hammer_> question about wine
[11:03] <hammer_> i've installed guitar pro 5 under wine
[11:03] <hammer_> now i've all fonts in wine changed to notes =)
[11:03] <angasule> hammer_: sounds like fun
[11:04] <mm_202> Hey guys, quick question.  I have some software, but dont know where to put it in the fs tree.  I was told to _never_ put it under /usr.  Why not?  Second question, seems that /opt would be the place, but its empty, why?
[11:04] <hammer_> yeah, looks funny but totally unusable
[11:04] <angasule> hammer_: try asking in #winehq , though
[11:04] <familiaok> hi guys
[11:04] <graft> angasule: as far as i can tell, the ubuntu kernel has fb support, you just need to enable it at boot time
[11:04] <angasule> hammer_: invite people over and pretend you can read that :)
[11:04] <angasule> graft: how? :)
[11:04] <WaxyFresh> i accidetally kill my kmenu how do i restart it?
[11:04] <vzduch> mm_202: what software?
[11:04] <hammer_> =)
[11:04] <hammer_> ok
[11:04] <Daisuke_Ido> WaxyFresh: kicker
[11:05] <WaxyFresh> thanks
[11:05] <graft> angasule: erm... do hwinfo --framebuffer, pick a mode, and put in a kernel option for vga=<yourmodehere>
[11:05] <graft> angasule: in your /boot/grub/menu.lst, that is... then do your usual grub updating nonsense, reboot, etc.
[11:06] <mm_202> vzduch:  its SyncEngine, trying to sync my WM5 PDA to linux...  major pain in the ass.
[11:06] <vzduch> never heard of
[11:06] <graft> angasule: alternatively vga=ask MIGHT list available modes, but i don't really remember how that works
[11:06] <DaSkreech> Karti: yes
[11:06] <mm_202> I was told by the maintainer to just leave it where it was, but its in ~/tmp  and I dont want to keep it there
[11:06] <angasule> graft: funny thing is I tried vga=normal
[11:06] <mm_202> but basically, is thre a pref of where to put in apps?
[11:06] <familiaok> that program that make easy installation.. how did it call?
[11:06] <Karti> DaSkreech: is there a link available :)
[11:06] <graft> angasule: yeh i don't think that works, it needs an actual mode number
[11:07] <Tomi-idle> oh btw. how can i get a ~50 line tty?
[11:07] <angasule> graft: actually vga=normal tends to always work, just looks awful heh
[11:07] <vzduch> mm_202: as to /usr, that is commonly used for software you install from the repos _only_, you could place it in /opt or in /usr/local or somewhere in your /home
[11:08] <familiaok> anyone can help me?
[11:08] <mm_202> vzduch:  thank you, I was just curious about that.
[11:08] <graft> angasule: apparently that's how you disable the framebuffer, according to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FrameBuffer
[11:08] <Daisuke_Ido> i use /home/username/bin
[11:08] <graft> angasule: what do you want it for, anyway? a nifty penguin? movies in the shell?
[11:08] <angasule> graft: funny, hwinfo is /totally/ broken, it seems they forgot to use \n or something
[11:09] <angasule> graft: qtopia core
[11:09] <angasule> going to try something
[11:09] <bonesss> hi guys
[11:09] <bonesss> a need help
[11:10] <bonesss> how did call that program that make easy installation?
[11:10] <vzduch> bonesss: ?
[11:10] <waylandbill> mm_202: you can put applications where you like. I tend to follow the debian package guidelines or use /usr/local/...
[11:11] <vzduch> [offtopic]  Studio Brussel (Belgium) plays Best of 90s
[11:11] <bonesss> vzduch: type automatix
[11:11] <fade_linux> good evenin
[11:11] <vzduch> !automatix | bonesss
[11:11] <ubotu> bonesss: Automatix2 is a script that tries to install some software, and often fails and breaks systems. We don't provide support for it, and we strongly discourage its use. Problems caused by Automatix are often hard to track and solve, and it might sometimes be easier to !install a fresh copy of Ubuntu. See also !WorksForMe
[11:12] <bonesss> it's another
[11:12] <fade_linux> anyone knows how i can force my widescreen external lcd to run on 1366x768 with dual head setup
[11:12] <graft> bonesss: you mean aptitude? or some such?
[11:12] <Yorokobi> bonesss, apt-get? aptitude? synaptic? adept?
[11:12] <Daisuke_Ido> !easybuntu
[11:12] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about easybuntu - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:12] <Daisuke_Ido> !easyubuntu
[11:12] <ubotu> easyubuntu is a script that automates installation of some items. Use at your own risk. See http://easyubuntu.freecontrib.org/ - For help and or discussions about EasyUbuntu please join #easyubuntu
[11:12] <bonesss> BINGO!!!
[11:13] <bonesss> synaptic
[11:13] <bonesss> tks Yorokobi
[11:13] <fade_linux> i read that the i810 driver has got 915 \resolution implemented now
[11:13] <graft> bonesss: try adept, it's the KDE flavor
[11:13] <Yorokobi> np, bonesss.
[11:13] <bonesss> graft: i'm usin' it
[11:13] <Daisuke_Ido> stick with synaptic, it's not as borked :)
[11:13] <graft> haha
[11:13] <bonesss> =)
[11:13] <waylandbill> bonesss: but don't think that you have to be limited to gui.. there's aptitude or even apt-cache/apt-get.
[11:13] <graft> stick with apt-get, that's always going to work
[11:14] <Yorokobi> adept is the first thing I purge after clean installs
[11:14] <DaSkreech> Karti: it's somewhere ... trying to find it
[11:14] <angasule> vga=ask only gave me text modes to choose from, and even the text mode I chose wasn't set
[11:14] <Karti> DaSkreech: Many thanks
[11:14] <bonesss> waylandbill: yes, i know that
[11:14] <fade_linux> !915resolution
[11:14] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about 915resolution - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:14] <anthronaut> !WorksForMe
[11:14] <ubotu> Common Sense: Just because you can, does not mean you should (and especially recommend to others). Think before you do. "Works for me" does not mean it is ok. The latest version of everything is not always useful if you aim for stability.
[11:15] <bonesss> just more one question... how those is it better?
[11:15] <angasule> haha I was thinking of creating a distro with the name Works For Me :P
[11:15] <fade_linux> does anyoneknow the paramenter in xorg.conf to force a resolution like done in 915resolution?
[11:15] <fade_linux> parameter* even
[11:16] <anthronaut> I'd prefer: WorkForMe!
[11:16] <Yorokobi> angasule, how funny would that be if the distro didn't work? :)
[11:16] <angasule> Yorokobi: well, it might not work for you, but... it Works For Me :P
[11:16] <Yorokobi> hehehe
[11:16] <graft> angasule: you got nothing out of hwinfo --framebuffer?
[11:17] <bonesss> fade_linux: section screen
[11:17] <ruzzz> tell me my IP please!
[11:17] <angasule> graft: it outputs something, but always on the same line and then the prompt writes over it, so basically it has output, it's just invisible
[11:17] <graft> ruzzz: which IP, your WAN IP or your LAN IP?
[11:17] <angasule> graft: using | less doesn't help, either
[11:18] <CrypTom> hi all, do I need to install a special package in order to rip & encode audio cds with k3b to mp3?
[11:18] <ruzzz> WAN
[11:18] <graft> ruzzz: http://whatismyip.com
[11:18] <fade_linux> !i810 driver
[11:18] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about i810 driver - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:18] <CrypTom> I've lots of choices, but not mp3
[11:18] <Daisuke_Ido> CrypTom: why yes, yes you do
[11:18] <Daisuke_Ido> !search k3b
[11:18] <ubotu> Found: burners, k3b
[11:18] <angasule> !restricted | CrypTom
[11:18] <ubotu> CrypTom: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[11:18] <graft> angasule: hrm... yeah it does that for me, but then it outputs actual info after that
[11:18] <ruzzz> sanx
[11:18] <waylandbill> that happened all the time when I was a windows programmer. It always worked for me. :-)
[11:18] <angasule> graft: well... it Doesn't Work For Me ;)
[11:18] <graft> angasule: what's your card?
[11:19] <angasule> graft: nvidia geforce 7600 GT
[11:19] <angasule> graft: funny thing, is that when kubuntu boots it's using the framebuffer...
[11:19] <graft> angasule: hey, that's true... what gives?
[11:19] <waylandbill> (if it only always did for everyone else) :-D
[11:19] <graft> maybe that bootsplash thing has special hooks
[11:20] <TheGateKeeper> CrypTom, To burn mp3's using K3b you will need to install libk3b2-mp3
[11:21] <CrypTom> TheGateKeeper: thanks, i've got this library installed, but k3b does not present mp3 in the drop-down list
[11:21] <fade_linux> !i810 modesetting
[11:21] <bonesss> synaptic, automatix, adept... what to use?
[11:21] <fade_linux> !i810modesetting
[11:21] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about i810modesetting - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:21] <fade_linux> argh
[11:21] <anthronaut> bonesss: synaptic or adept - it's up to you
[11:21] <fade_linux> is modesetting implemented now in the latest kubuntu release?
[11:22] <TheGateKeeper> CrypTom, well in truth it was a titbit I picked up, never actually tried to do that myself
[11:22] <nicolai_> CrypTom: If you can't get K3B to work I would recommend KAudioCreator
[11:23] <ruzzz> what is it mailto:ruzzz@199-2-207-82.pool.ukrtel.net ?
[11:23] <bonesss> anthronaut: i'm using adept, but dont have many programs
[11:23] <waylandbill> bonesss: automatix isn't a package manager... If you can use a package manager, automatix is a mute point really.
[11:23] <CrypTom> nicolai_: thanks, that seems to work!
[11:23] <bonesss> hum ;\
[11:24] <anthronaut> bonesss: synaptic and adept are the same thing. synaptic is the GNOME graphical user interface, whereas adept is the interface for KDE for a command line tool called apt.
[11:24] <waylandbill> and apt is itself a front-end for dpkg.
[11:24] <DaSkreech> Karti: kinfocenter -> Protocols
[11:24] <bonesss> hum
[11:24] <anthronaut> bonesss: you can use either of them and get the same result, it's up to your taste.
[11:25] <bonesss> i didn't know
[11:25] <Karti> DaSkreech: Thank you very much, great help
[11:25] <anthronaut> bonesss: don't worry :-)
[11:25] <bonesss> ;D
[11:25] <bonesss> i'm gonna install automatix
[11:26] <bonesss> and i'll use both
[11:26] <bonesss> automatix and adept
[11:26] <anthronaut> bonesss: As was mentioned before, it's not a really good idea to use automatix. It can cause damage to your system.
[11:26] <waylandbill> bonesss: automatix has been known to break things.
[11:26] <TheGateKeeper> CrypTom, update my info if KAudioCreator works for you :/
[11:27] <bonesss> i still dont understand the cause
[11:27] <waylandbill> bonesss: if you have a queston how to perform a task, you can always ask for assistance... then you wouldn't need automatix to do it for you.
[11:27] <CrypTom> TheGateKeeper: sorry, I did no understand what you meant with your last remark
[11:27] <bauer> hey how do i install g++
[11:28] <graft> bauer: the usual way, sudo apt-get install g++
[11:28] <nicolai_> TheGateKeeper: KAudioCreator doesn't make K3B work if that is what you meant. It is a separate application designed for ripping CD's
[11:28] <TheGateKeeper> CrypTom, I have a little web site with bit & pieces of useful info, & as you said KAudioCreator I updated the info
[11:29] <bauer> thx , but it fails with "g++: Depends: g++-4.0 (>= 4.0.3) but it is not going to be installed"
[11:29] <TheGateKeeper> nicolai_, yes I realize that :/
[11:29] <CrypTom> TheGateKeeper: ok
[11:29] <stepmanic> can anyone point me to a walkthrou for installing xgl\beryl on kubuntu feisty?
[11:30] <nosrednaekim> stepmanic: hey! hows it going?
[11:30] <TheGateKeeper> bonesss, what are you trying to do?
[11:30] <waylandbill> bonesss: it's a third party app that doesn't necessarily work closely with the package/repo maintainers. This can cause depenency issues if the timing is not right.
[11:30] <Yorokobi> stepmanic, the beryl-project.org website has tutorials.
[11:30] <nosrednaekim> stepmanic: I know where there is one.... I'll find it
[11:30] <graft> bauer: do sudo apt-get install g++-4.0 and see why that fails
[11:31] <stepmanic> nosrednaekim: well. i got everything installed and set up xgl, BUT.. when i logged in i just got the gray screen with the "x"cursor.. then everything goes black and stop responding -.-'
[11:31] <bonesss> the problem is that there're things that the adept have none
[11:31] <bauer> graft: it says "g++-4.0: Depends: libstdc++6-4.0-dev (= 4.0.3-1ubuntu5) but it is not going to be installed"
[11:31] <stepmanic> since it was a clean install  i just reinstalled ubuntu and thought i should start over fresh^^
[11:32] <bonesss> example: codecs for real media, flash for firefox
[11:32] <Yorokobi> bauer, try 'sudo aptitude install g++-4.0' it should auto-select the dependencies for you
[11:32] <DaSkreech> !b-e | bauer
[11:32] <ubotu> bauer: Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for pre-built !packages first: not all !repositories are enabled by default!)
[11:32] <nosrednaekim> stepmanic: what directions were you following?
[11:32] <graft> bauer: keep chasing it until you get the real reason...
[11:32] <stepmanic> mmh.. 2 sec
[11:32] <TheGateKeeper> bonesss, adept & synaptic are both gui front ends for apt-get, IMO synaptic is much better than adept
[11:32] <waylandbill> bonesss: but the ubuntu wiki has instructions for installing those things.
[11:33] <nosrednaekim> stepmanic: did you install the ati drivers already?
[11:33] <DaSkreech> bauer: read that. One command to run them all
[11:33] <DaSkreech> TheGateKeeper: Why?
[11:33] <TheRealInsane> Can anybody help me?
[11:33] <DaSkreech> !anyone
[11:33] <ubotu> A large amount of the first questions asked in this channel start with "Does anyone/anybody..."  Why not ask your next question (the real one) and find out?
[11:33] <bauer> thx for now i am gonna do some reading :o)
[11:33] <stepmanic> nosrednaekim: yeh i did, but i havent this time.. this is a clean, newly updated install,, so i have 2 start over
[11:34] <nosrednaekim> stepmanic: ok, install that before we get started.
[11:34] <TheRealInsane> I have a problem with Kubuntu
[11:34] <graft> !ask | TheRealInsane
[11:34] <ubotu> TheRealInsane: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[11:34] <TheGateKeeper> DaSkreech, well I had adept crash on me when I used tried to install mutiple applications, & if you try to install java you can easily show a terminal when they want you to agree to the licence
[11:34] <TheRealInsane> Well, I start Kubuntu normally, and all I get is a blank command prompt in which I can type anything and nothing gets executed.
[11:35] <bonesss> TheRealInsane: if u tell for us what's your problem, maybe we can to help
[11:35] <TheRealInsane> If I start Kubuntu in error-trapping mode (or whatever) I get a normal Linux command Prompt or w/e
[11:35] <Yorokobi> TheRealInsane, are you using a liveCD or an actual install?
[11:36] <bonesss> TheGateKeeper: do u think better i use synaptic for kde than adept?
[11:36] <DaSkreech> TheGateKeeper: I guess i'm sorry about the previous they have fixed the latter
[11:36] <TheGateKeeper> DaSkreech, I don't have the latest version of kubuntu, but when I originally used adept it looked like a crap attempt at reinventing the wheel
[11:36] <TheRealInsane> Yorokobi: LiveCD works flawlessly for me, but I installed from it
[11:37] <DaSkreech> TheGateKeeper: :)
[11:37] <stepmanic> nosreadnaekim: hm, wich driver should i install.. im kinda a big noob on this area^^ just know the basics for linux-use
[11:37] <DaSkreech> Don't blink with Open source
[11:37] <TheGateKeeper> bonesss, personal opinion yes!
[11:37] <Yorokobi> TheRealInsane, did you change your video settings in xorg.conf or are you using a vanilla install now?
[11:37] <TheRealInsane> Basically what I did to produce the error is  Log out and restart XServer
[11:37] <TheRealInsane> Since then I've been unable to boot Kubuntu anymore
[11:37] <TheRealInsane> Because I changed a setting involving my second monitor
[11:37] <DaSkreech> TheRealInsane: YOu can boot but can't get X ?
[11:38] <bonesss> TheGateKeeper: ok, i'll do it
[11:38] <stepmanic> nosrednaekim: i have a ati 200m card, if it helps ^^
[11:38] <nicolai_> DaSkreech, TheGateKeeper: A lot of functionality from Synaptic has been included in Adept in the Feisty release. They are not that different anymore.
[11:38] <TheRealInsane> DaSkreech: Well, I can't boot now anymore
[11:38] <DaSkreech> TheRealInsane: Where does it stop?
[11:38] <nosrednaekim> stepmanic: get the restricted-manager with "sudo apt-get restricted-manager" and then "kdesu restricted-manager"
[11:39] <TheRealInsane> I get the loading screen, then I get heaps of unreadable text (too fast), then I get that blank screen in which I can type stuff but do nothing
[11:39] <nosrednaekim> stepmanic: I remember that from yesterday or whenever.
[11:39] <Yorokobi> TheRealInsane, when you get the blank screen, can you use Alt-F1 to get a console prompt?
[11:39] <rojanu> Hi I am going to buy a desktop probably from Dell any recomendetions?
[11:39] <runlevelten> Oh My God I can't stop laughing. I just had a conversation with an SuSE guy who was scoffing at apt.
[11:39] <TheRealInsane> Haven't tested, didn't know that combo (new linux user)
[11:39] <teresa_> vaio rocks
[11:40] <teresa_> ;-)
[11:40] <runlevelten> SuSE. Scoffing at apt!!! lmao.
[11:40] <TheRealInsane> What should I enter in the console prompt to start the graphical interface?
[11:40] <teresa_> startx i guess TheRealInsane
[11:40] <Yorokobi> TheRealInsane, startx or 'sudo /etc/init.d/kdm restart'
[11:41] <stepmanic> how do u register on channel? ^^
[11:41] <TheRealInsane> K, let me test that
[11:41] <TheRealInsane> Cya
[11:41] <TheGateKeeper> nicolai_, well if there is an easy upgrade path to the next LTS version I'll take another look
[11:41] <nosrednaekim> rojanu: get a good graphics card and a gig of ram
[11:41] <Yorokobi> TheRealInsane, I'm guessing the xorg.conf has some invalid/bad entries causing X to fail to start
[11:41] <nosrednaekim> for a channel? this channel doesn't need registration.
[11:41] <nosrednaekim> !register | stepmanic
[11:41] <ubotu> stepmanic: Information about registering your Freenode nick is at http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#contents-userregistration
[11:41] <DaSkreech> !register
[11:42] <vbgunz> I have a question I been meaning to bring up. if I choose the *other* mode during bootup (safe, rescue, something) I log in as root without a password... how do I password protect it OR is it meant to have no password at all?
[11:42] <rojanu> nosradnaekim, thanks but I don't want to end up like your & my aspire 5050 with to many incompatibilities
[11:42] <vbgunz> teresa_: you own a vaio?
[11:42] <Yorokobi> vbgunz, it is meant to not have a password.
[11:43] <nosrednaekim> rojanu: wait...how did you know....
[11:43] <vbgunz> Yorokobi: can I password protect it?
[11:43] <teresa_> yes vbgunz
[11:43] <rojanu> I have got posts on your site
[11:43] <Silent_G> hmm
[11:43] <teresa_> hi anthronaut
[11:43] <Silent_G> can someone explain me how the swap works?
[11:43] <Yorokobi> vbgunz, you can give root a password but I don't know if the single user boot will bother with it. A better solution is to password protect grub and/or the BIOS
[11:43] <Silent_G> :p
[11:43] <nosrednaekim> rojanu: AH! well, nvidias don't have any problems.
[11:43] <anthronaut> hi and bye teresa :-)
[11:44] <vbgunz> Yorokobi: thank you, I will look into grub
[11:44] <vbgunz> :)
[11:45] <Yorokobi> vbgunz, np
[11:45] <DaSkreech> vbgunz: password protect grub
[11:45] <rojanu> nosrednaekim: have you tried to get your wireless key and others to work?
[11:45] <DaSkreech> Silent_G: Same way it works on Windows
[11:45] <Silent_G> O_o
[11:46] <Silent_G> i didnt have a swap partition on windows
[11:46] <rojanu> nosrednaekim: I have my wireless working with madwifi
[11:46] <Silent_G> :o
[11:46] <nosrednaekim> rojanu: yeah everything works here, Gutsy actually supports my wireless right off.
[11:46] <DaSkreech> Silent_G: you have a .swp files
[11:46] <nosrednaekim> rojanu: ah, well, mine never worked until I loaded gutsy
[11:47] <Silent_G> yeah but i dont know how the thing works
[11:47] <Silent_G> even on windblows :S
[11:47] <rojanu> nosrednoekim: well, I got it to work by actually getting acer_hk to turn it on
[11:47] <DaSkreech> Silent_G: you can only have so much RAM in the computer but you can havea huge amount of Hard drive space
[11:47] <runlevelten> Silent_G: memory is swapped out to disk to maximise the effective memory of the machine.
[11:47] <genii> Silent_G: Basically, when the computer needs more temporary space it uses a disk or file as if it was memory
[11:47] <waylandbill> there's a swap file, not a partition, in windows but it functions similar... a non-movable region of the drive dedicated to simulating physical memory.
[11:48] <Silent_G> hmm
[11:48] <DaSkreech>  the OS makes use of the hard drive to offload thigns that are not being used right now to the hard drive so that those thigns which aer running actively can make more use of the ram
[11:48] <nosrednaekim> rojanu: interesting,acer_hk never worked for me.
[11:48] <Silent_G> so its like, when there isnt enough ram it takes the swap file?
[11:48] <rojanu> nosrednaekim: I think I posted something about it on your site? if I am not wrong
[11:48] <DaSkreech> Silent_G: Oversimplified but yeah
[11:48] <nosrednaekim> rojanu: yeah, I think you did
[11:48] <Silent_G> yeah
[11:48] <waylandbill> Silent_G: exactly. It's a replacement for lack of physical ram.
[11:49] <Silent_G> i keep things simple
[11:49] <Silent_G> lol
[11:49] <Silent_G> hmm
[11:49] <Silent_G> but isnt it a bit imposible to have 1GB of programmes running?
[11:49] <Silent_G> :s
[11:49] <genii> nope. Try rendering something large sometime
[11:50] <Yorokobi> !swap | Silent_G
[11:50] <ubotu> Silent_G: swap is used to move unused programs and data out of main memory to make your system faster. It can also be used as extra memory if you don't have enough. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SwapFaq for more info
[11:50] <teresa_> or close to 100% your cpu working
[11:50] <angasule>  I have a GF 7600GT, I can't get the framebuffer to work, the closest I got is with "vga=792 video=vesa" which does result in /dev/fb0 but the consoles are garbled, trying without video=vesa doesn't create a /dev/fb0 at all, I've googled to goatse and back and can't find a proper parameter combo
[11:50] <JOEYYYYYY> can you change the hz of your monitor in kubuntu?
[11:50] <Silent_G> hmm
[11:50] <Silent_G> how can i make a swap file instead of swap partition ?
[11:51] <DaSkreech> Silent_G: No quite easy. You can have one program taking that much
[11:51] <Yorokobi> !info onswap
[11:51] <ubotu> Package onswap does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas
[11:51] <Yorokobi> Silent_G, check the man pages for swapon/swapoff
[11:51] <DaSkreech> Silent_G: Yeah You can
[11:51] <TheRealInsane> Still won't work:
[11:52] <TheRealInsane> I pressed Alt + F1 to go into the console, and entered "startx"
[11:52] <Yorokobi> TheRealInsane, you have to log in first
[11:52] <TheRealInsane> Basically it gave me an error message: "Entity is already running"
[11:52] <nosrednaekim> rojanu: anyway, I like the looks of the Ubuntu dell.
[11:52] <TheRealInsane> I logged in
[11:53] <TheRealInsane> Once into root, once into my user
[11:53] <TheRealInsane> same results
[11:53] <Yorokobi> TheRealInsane, what about 'sudo /etc/init.d/kdm restart' ?
[11:53] <TheRealInsane> I'll try that now
[11:53] <Silent_G> DaSkreech, 1 programme taking 1GB? O_o
[11:53] <TheRealInsane> Gotta write it down >.<
[11:53] <rojanu> nosrednoekim: I was on the phone with dell US but they don't ship to london
[11:53] <genii> !info swapon
[11:53] <ubotu> Package swapon does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas
[11:54] <genii> hmm
[11:54] <nosrednaekim> london.... lol. try system76?
[11:54] <Yorokobi> genii, swapon/swapoff are commands, not packages of their own
[11:54] <genii> Yorokobi: Thought it was worth a shot :)
[11:54] <Yorokobi> heh
[11:55] <rojanu> I don't know what is that, enlighten me please? ok just checked
[11:55] <rojanu> I did not know them
[11:56] <genii> Silent_G: Usually it's not one single program taking a gig. It's like you have 20 things open that all take a certain amount of resources each to run
[11:56] <Yorokobi> rojanu, system76.com
[11:56] <rojanu> I am looking at it now, thanks
[11:56] <Silent_G> yes genii but DaSkreech said 1 programme could take 1 gig :o
[11:57] <genii> Silent_G: The program diff can take up to the size of the file being examined
[11:57] <enebro> hello
[11:57] <genii> so a diff on 2 dvd iso could take 4.7 Gb
[11:57] <AhDiCt3D> anyone gotten the intel 4965AGBN to work on linux?
[11:58] <solarwaver> anyone knows how i put back the grub?
[11:58] <zimmo> how can I calc my mask width?
[11:59] <Silent_G> ic :S
[11:59] <Daisuke_Ido> AhDiCt3D: use intel's official driver
[11:59] <DaSkreech> !grub
[11:59] <ubotu> grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[11:59] <AhDiCt3D> Daisuke_Ido, Is there a .deb?
[11:59] <mrksbrd> jhutchins u there??
[11:59] <nosrednaekim> !grub | solarwaver
[11:59] <ubotu> solarwaver: grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[12:00] <Daisuke_Ido> AhDiCt3D: i don't think so, yet
[12:00] <AhDiCt3D> Daisuke_Ido, i just went through the howto it doesnt wokr.
[12:00] <AhDiCt3D> work*
[12:00] <Daisuke_Ido> well that's not good
[12:00] <nosrednaekim> DaSkreech: beatcha to it ;)
[12:01] <AhDiCt3D> Daisuke_Ido, Ive tried everything i just got this laptop hoping it could but it cant
[12:01] <mrksbrd> what commands do i do to untar a file?
[12:01] <solarwaver> thanx ubutu
[12:01] <Daisuke_Ido> AhDiCt3D: that makes me sad
[12:02] <Daisuke_Ido> that's the chipset in the laptop i'm ordering :(
[12:02] <genii> mrksbrd: Depends on the file ending. like .tar  .tar.gz  or so on
[12:02] <AhDiCt3D> Daisuke_Ido, I guess im going back to Vista then
[12:02] <Daisuke_Ido> i may have to rethink that
[12:02] <Daisuke_Ido> let me look
[12:02] <Daisuke_Ido> http://intellinuxwireless.org/?p=iwlwifi&n=howto-iwlwifi
[12:02] <AhDiCt3D> Daisuke_Ido, What laptop? I have the Asus G1S
[12:02] <Daisuke_Ido> that the howto you followed?
[12:02] <mrksbrd> tar.gz
[12:02] <AhDiCt3D> yes
[12:02] <Daisuke_Ido> AhDiCt3D: dell inspiron
[12:02] <AhDiCt3D> psh man get an Asus
[12:03] <Daisuke_Ido> or an HP pavilion
[12:03] <AhDiCt3D> no
[12:03] <AhDiCt3D> Asus
[12:03] <Daisuke_Ido> i hate asus.
[12:03] <mrksbrd> this is my scond day using Linux, so pls exuse me
[12:03] <AhDiCt3D> Asus is the best
[12:03] <zimmo> does anybody know about SHOREWALL configuration?
[12:03] <Daisuke_Ido> i've always hated asus
[12:03] <genii> mrksbrd: if tar.gz (most common)     then  sudo tar -xvzf tararchivename.tar.gz
[12:03] <AhDiCt3D> Daisuke_Ido, Why do you hate asus>
[12:03] <Daisuke_Ido> and if that doesn't work, it's not the best, is it?
[12:03] <Daisuke_Ido> the quality of anything i've ever bought from asus has been horrible
[12:03] <Daisuke_Ido> i'm not dropping over a grand on a laptop whose quality i don't trust
[12:04] <AhDiCt3D> Daisuke_Ido, exact oppsosite for me ive been using asus my whole life
[12:04] <AhDiCt3D> Daisuke_Ido, Best tech support ive ever had
[12:04] <Daisuke_Ido> i also looked at toshiba
[12:04] <Daisuke_Ido> certainly a possibility
[12:04] <genii> AhDiCt3D: Same here
[12:05] <mrksbrd> ok let me try it, what I'm trying to do is get my wifi card working
[12:05] <zimmo> does anybody where is the ZONES configuration file?
[12:05] <Daisuke_Ido> AhDiCt3D: what model laptop?
[12:05] <Daisuke_Ido> ah
[12:05] <Daisuke_Ido> g1s
[12:06] <genii> mrksbrd: In that case if this tar file is something you think you need to get your wifi going, ask instead about: How do I get <such and such wifi card> working ?
[12:06] <mrksbrd> here is the msg I got...........
[12:07] <AhDiCt3D> Daisuke_Ido, Asus G1S
[12:07] <mrksbrd> tar: firefox-2.0.0.6.tar.gz: Cannot open: No such file or directory
[12:07] <Daisuke_Ido> the G2P looks nice
[12:07] <Daisuke_Ido> i would actually consider it if their warantee is good enough
[12:07] <Daisuke_Ido> 2-year limited global hardware warranty
[12:08] <Daisuke_Ido> looks nice
[12:08] <AhDiCt3D> Daisuke_Ido, It is a great laptop...
[12:08] <genii> mrksbrd: If you see this file on your desktop, then do first: cd ~/Desktop                  and then the tar -xvzf firefox-2.0.0.6.tar.gz
[12:08] <AhDiCt3D> Daisuke_Ido, I'll just go out and buy a supported wireless card and wait a while for the pkgs to get updated it works under gutsy not feisty though
[12:09] <XcercaX> is this the official Kubuntu channel ?
[12:09] <genii> put the word sudo before tar, incidentally
[12:09] <mrksbrd> oh ok
[12:09] <genii> mrksbrd: Installing firefox will not make your wifi work, incidentally
[12:10] <Daisuke_Ido> AhDiCt3D: what's the price range?
[12:11] <Daisuke_Ido> because i can't see a way to purchase direct from asus
[12:11] <Daisuke_Ido> http://usa.asus.com/products4.aspx?modelmenu=1&model=1666&l1=5&l2=133&l3=455&l4=0
[12:11] <Daisuke_Ido> THAT looks nice
[12:11] <AhDiCt3D> Daisuke_Ido, i got mine from best buy $1750
[12:12] <AhDiCt3D> Daisuke_Ido, mine has an HDMI port 2gb ram core2duo 2.0ghz real nice
[12:12] <Daisuke_Ido> i have issues with best buy -_-  and i will never deal with the geek squad
[12:12] <genii> Yes, Best Buy = evil
[12:12] <mrksbrd> yes i realize that, just figured attempting to install firefox would be easier than attempting to get a piece of hardware to work......baby steps
[12:13] <Daisuke_Ido> mrksbrd: sudo apt-get install mozilla-firefox
[12:13] <Daisuke_Ido> :)
[12:13] <genii> mrksbrd: Ah, so practicing :)
[12:13] <mrksbrd> 2nd day with linux!!!!
[12:13] <Daisuke_Ido> mrksbrd: then congratulations
[12:13] <mrksbrd> coming ovr from windows, so this is all greek to me
[12:14] <Daisuke_Ido> you're making an effort to learn, which is 100x more than most users would do.
[12:14] <AhDiCt3D> Daisuke_Ido, they were crappy i must agree tried to get us to buy all this crap but we just wanted the laptop cuz they are nearby and if we got probs we got a lawyer standing buy and all
[12:14] <mrksbrd> i'm just glad there are helpful ppl here....lol
[12:14] <Semilios> Hi
[12:14] <Semilios> I just started the Kubuntu 7.04 Live CD
[12:15] <AhDiCt3D> How the heck do i just fdisk my damn drive i got 2 partitions locked
[12:15] <mrksbrd> ok brb, let me se if i can get this to work
[12:15] <Semilios> when using the live cd on my laptop, there was an INSTALL ICon
[12:15] <Semilios> on the desktop
[12:15] <Semilios> but on this machine there is no INSTALL Icon
[12:15] <Semilios> whats wrong_
[12:15] <Semilios> can I start the install wiyard with a command from the shell?
[12:15] <zimmo> where can i create zones on Linux?!