[12:20] <thumper> morning
[12:33] <superm1> it would appear something is wrong with one of the amd64 PPA build boxes: http://librarian.dogfood.launchpad.net/7799004/buildlog_ubuntu-gutsy-amd64.lcdproc_0.5.1-3ubuntu1_CHROOTWAIT.txt.gz
[12:58] <superm1> to that effect, any idea how to remove old packages from ppa?
[12:59] <superm1> so they can be resubmitted?
[02:00] <soren> superm1: Why?
[02:01] <superm1> soren, i asked a few questions
[02:01] <superm1> which one
[02:02] <superm1> i'm assuming you saw mine about removing old packages from PPA though, i had one get uploaded missing a dependency
[02:02] <superm1> and didn't want to bump the version
[02:02] <soren> superm1: You can trigger a rebuid from the web interface.
[02:02] <soren> superm1: rebuild, even.
[02:03] <superm1> i forgot to add dpatch to its build-deps, so it can't apply my patch 
[02:03] <superm1> so it would make most sense to clear it out and reupload
[02:03] <soren> superm1: Ah, I thought you meant that one of the packages in its Depends: was missing.
[02:03] <superm1> soren, ah should have made myself more clear
[02:03] <superm1> so is there a way to clear it out?
[02:06] <soren> superm1: Don't know.
[05:00] <mpt> Goooooooooooooooood afternoon Launchpadders!
[05:03] <ajmitch> hello mpt 
[05:38] <superm1> hi mpt, i had a question earlier about ppas, perhaps you can answer?
[05:52] <mpt> superm1, probably not sorry, I know very little about PPAs
[05:53] <superm1> mpt, who should I watch for to bug about it?
[05:53] <mpt> cprov
[05:57] <superm1> alright will do
[06:01] <Fujitsu> superm1: Looks to me like a mirror was syncing. If you upload something else or wait for it to rebuild itself it should work.
[06:02] <superm1> Fujitsu, the package needs to be uploaded again actually though too, a build-dep was missing
[06:02] <superm1> to the ppa
[06:03] <superm1> so i was wondering how to blow away the version sitting up there
[06:03] <superm1> without having to bump the version number
[06:03] <Fujitsu> You can't. This isn't REVU.
[06:04] <superm1> well the PPA documentation alluded to the fact that it would be possible to take a package off of PPA
[06:04] <Fujitsu> There's no UI for that yet, and I've seen no mention of it appearing soon.
[06:04] <superm1> at this point, could I sftp into the space its at?
[06:04] <superm1> and pull it out that way?
[06:05] <Fujitsu> No.
[06:05] <superm1> :( Ok.
[06:05] <Fujitsu> At this stage in PPA development, once a package is there it is there, unless it is dominated or whatever strange term they use.
[06:05] <jamesh> superm1: information about the contents of the archive are maintained in the database
[06:06] <Fujitsu> It has to generate Packages, Sources, etc.
[06:06] <superm1> Ok. well i'll be more careful about things that get uploaded there from now on then
[06:06] <jamesh> the archive is generated from that information
[06:06] <superm1> my other question was about the feasibility of doing feisty or edgy on PPA for backporting tests.  Will that be happening?
[06:07] <Fujitsu> AFAIK you can just upload with a different suite in the changelog.
[06:07] <superm1> great!  haven't tried yet, but saw in PPA docs that it said for current "development" release
[06:08] <Fujitsu> I have feisty stuff in my PPA, so I presume it's possible.
[06:44] <mpt> eureka
[07:22] <tyoc> People, I dont understand exactly, I do locally bzr init, [changes, add] , bzr commit, pull sftp://bazaar.launchpad.net/~user/+junk/SomeNameForTheBranch/ , then in other folder I can get the branch bzr checkout https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~user/+junk/SomeNameForTheBranch/, but from this folder doing bzr pull sftp://bazaar.launchpad.net/~user/+junk/SomeNameForTheBranch/ fail?????
[07:25] <spiv> tyoc: you're making a checkout of a readonly location.
[07:26] <tyoc> mmm, thus is only possible if I do checkout from sftp?
[07:26] <spiv> tyoc: but pull tries to update the branch (not just the checkout), so I'm guessing that's why it fails.
[07:26] <spiv> You could make a local branch "bzr branch http://bazaar.launchpad.net/..."
[07:27] <spiv> Or make a checkout over sftp, yeah.
[07:27] <spiv> (or bzr+ssh)
[07:27] <tyoc> OK
[07:27] <tyoc> that is what I want to get 
[07:30] <anachronik> heyheyhey
[08:06] <thumper> lifeless, spiv, jamesh: review meeting?
[08:09] <carlos> morning
[08:19] <mpt> thumper, can I have a two-minute slot at the reviewer meeting (whenever it is)?
[08:20] <thumper> mpt: it was supposed to be 20 minutes ago
[08:20] <thumper> I have to go and cook shortly
[08:20] <mpt> ok
[08:21] <jamesh> thumper: I suppose we should have the meeting soon then.
[08:21] <thumper> jamesh: that would be good if possible
[08:21] <jamesh> (I wasn't looking at my IRC window earlier)
[08:22] <jamesh> spiv, BjornT, lifeless: review meeting?
[08:22] <BjornT> sure, i'm here
[08:22] <spiv> Sure.
[08:23] <jamesh> we may as well start then.
[08:23] <jamesh> is everyone happy having the next meeting the same time next week?
[08:24] <thumper> I am
[08:24] <BjornT> yes
[08:24] <jamesh> (by same time, I mean 24 minutes ago :)
[08:24] <thumper> I have a google calendar reminder that SMSs me
[08:24] <jamesh> the queue is getting a bit long
[08:25] <thumper> that it is
[08:25] <jamesh> three of the overdue ones are mine :(
[08:25] <spiv> I've been sick, but I'm catching up today.
[08:25] <thumper> jamesh: the enum one that you have has already been looked over by barry
[08:25] <thumper> so you could punt that
[08:25] <lifeless> I haven't allocated today; I did allocate yesteday.
[08:25] <lifeless> I'll do today shortly.
[08:26] <lifeless> been in deep lifting mode.
[08:26] <jamesh> spiv: will you be able to get yours done, or do you want some reallocated?
[08:26] <spiv> I should fine.
[08:26] <spiv> If not, I'll punt them back to rejected.
[08:26] <lifeless> who should you fine?
[08:26] <spiv> Should *be* fine :)
[08:27] <spiv> So long as I don't omit too many words ;)
[08:28] <jamesh> okay, so I guess the queue is long but under control then.
[08:28] <jamesh> Other business
[08:28] <jamesh> I believe mpt has something to say
[08:28] <mpt> yo
[08:29] <mpt> In Launchpad 1.1.7 there were a couple of clumsy things introduced 
[08:29] <mpt> that are covered in https://launchpad.canonical.com/DesignChecklist
[08:29] <mpt> I understand it may be difficult to remember non-code-related guidelines when reviewing
[08:29] <mpt> so I'll just encourage you to reread that page
[08:30] <mpt> particularly the "Text" and "Capitalization" sections
[08:30] <thumper> mpt: one thing
[08:30] <mpt> and subscribe to it if you're not subscribed already.
[08:30] <thumper> it doesn't say that portlets-one is deprecated anywhere
[08:30] <mpt> thumper?
[08:30] <mpt> ah yes
[08:30] <thumper> that was brought to my attention by jamesh I think
[08:30] <mpt> I should clean up template-page.pt
[08:30] <thumper> but didn't see it written down anywhere
[08:31] <mpt> removing portlets-one, portlets-two, pageheading, etc
[08:31] <jamesh> mpt: do the rest of the team know about this page?
[08:31] <mpt> jamesh, it's linked to from the reviewer guidelines
[08:32] <mpt> but I'll (hopefully) be saying the same at the other reviewer meeting.
[08:32] <jamesh> mpt: how about the Launchpad developer meeting?
[08:32] <mpt> hmm, good idea
[08:33] <mpt> I'll propose it for the agenda
[08:33] <mpt> ok, that's all from me
[08:33] <mpt> thanks jamesh 
[08:33] <jamesh> mpt: ideally the branches put up for review would already be following this checklist, rather than relying on reviewers to point out the problems after the fact
[08:33] <mpt> yes
[08:33] <jamesh> thank you for bringing it up here though
[08:33] <jamesh> any other business?
[08:34] <spiv> jamesh: ideally branches put up for review wouldn't need any comments from reviewers :)
[08:34] <thumper> nothing from me
[08:35] <jamesh> spiv: sure.  I am just saying that developers should be following any written guidelines we have, to minimise time spent in review
[08:35] <spiv> jamesh: right :)
[08:36] <jamesh> okay then.
[08:36] <jamesh> meeting ends.
[08:47] <lifeless> thanks jamesh
[09:33] <tyoc> If I have an open project, and the owner is a open team, is there some "substantial" difference in posting code directly to the project than the team?, also if they post the same name of branch, what are the results?
[09:33] <tyoc> Also if there is the list of recent revision that mean I can browse the code?
[09:34] <spiv> I'm not sure what you mean by "post the same name of branch", all branches have a person/team and a project associated with them.
[09:35] <tyoc> bzr push sftp://.../project/name1 and bzr push sftp://.../~team-project/name1
[09:35] <spiv> And yes, if there are revisions shown for a branch in Launchpad, then the "Browse code" link should work.
[09:35] <tyoc> ops  sftp://.../~team-project/project/name1
[09:35] <spiv> You can't just push to /project/name1 though, there has to be a username as well.
[09:36] <spiv> So both push to sftp://.../~team-project/project/name1 ?
[09:36] <tyoc> I can show you 1 that apparently dosent work?
[09:36] <tyoc> finally they get to name1
[09:36] <tyoc> but they are pushed directly to the project and from the team
[09:37] <tyoc> like this: https://code.launchpad.net/backyard/
[09:37] <spiv> If you try to push a whole new branch to a location that already has a branch "bzr push", then bzr will give you an error message saying so.
[09:37] <spiv> tyoc: I see those two branches, what about them doesn't work?
[09:37] <tyoc> see that there is versions listing
[09:38] <tyoc> but browse code dosent show
[09:38] <tyoc> thought I have push 1 first, and havent checked it before
[09:38] <tyoc> I push the other one
[09:38] <spiv> Ah, I know what the bug is.
[09:38] <spiv> mwhudson: ping ^
[09:38] <spiv> tyoc: it's because you have underscores in the branch names
[09:38] <spiv> You shouldn't have been able to create them with that name.
[09:38] <spiv> It's a bug in the system that it let you.
[09:39] <spiv> Because it breaks stuff like this :)
[09:39] <tyoc> amm, I have not registered them via the web interface
[09:39] <tyoc> I have only pushed them directly from the cmd line
[09:39] <spiv> If you rename the branch to use e.g. a - instead of _, then it'll right itself in a couple of minutes.
[09:39] <spiv> Right.
[09:39] <spiv> The web interface correctly disallows it.
[09:39] <tyoc> ok I see
[09:39] <mwhudson> spiv: it's all cherrypy's fault
[09:39] <spiv> But there's a bug in the SFTP interface atm that does allow it (plus a missing constraint in the database).
[09:40] <spiv> mwhudson: well, not really, it's whoever forgot to put the constraint in the database in the first place :)
[09:40] <spiv> mwhudson: you just get to deal with the fallout :)
[09:40] <tyoc> only a question about semantics, you see the project and the group are open... is there "some difference"???
[09:40] <spiv> tyoc: So I'd rename the branch through the web interface.
[09:41] <mwhudson> spiv: plenty of blame for everyone
[09:41] <tyoc> ok, thx for the help, I will remember to not use _
[09:41] <tyoc> question, is only for the branch name, or allthings inside recursively?
[09:41] <spiv> tyoc: not really, a branch is branch whereever it is :)
[09:41] <spiv> mwhudson: hooray!
[09:41] <spiv> tyoc: branches are the only things I know of that mistakenly allow _ in some circumstances.
[09:42] <tyoc> but I dont need to change names of all the things inside the branch that use a "_"?
[09:42] <tyoc> I guess no :D
[09:42] <spiv> No, the contents of the branch are fine :)
[09:42] <tyoc> ok
[09:46] <tyoc> changed names, still no code, but basically Im testing :) and get used to
[09:50] <tyoc> OK, they are there now, thx for the help
[09:55] <spiv> tyoc: Glad I could help!
[09:55] <tyoc> yey!
[11:50] <ubotu> New bug: #129387 in malone "Font Size is way to big" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/129387
[11:52] <mwhudson> you really can't please them all :)
[12:24] <menesis_> how translation upload is supposed to work? now the file sits in import queue for more than a week, does someone need to approve/import it manualy?
[12:28] <AlexC_> Hey,
[12:28] <AlexC_> how do I go about removing a translation template?
[12:31] <zerok> can i use tags in bzr branches on launchpad? or basically what storage formats can i use?
[12:33] <mpt> carlos, ^^
[12:33] <mpt> or danilos 
[12:34] <carlos> AlexC_: please, file a ticket on answers.launchpad.net/rosetta
[12:34] <AlexC_> carlos: thank you =)
[12:34] <mwhudson> i dont think you mean AlexC_
[12:34] <mwhudson> oh sorry
[12:34] <mwhudson> i'm mistaken
[12:34] <AlexC_> ^^
[12:34] <carlos> mwhudson: answering a different question :-P
[12:34] <mwhudson> carlos: yeah, i can't read
[12:35] <mwhudson> zerok: you can use any format on launchpad, i'm not sure i understand the question
[12:35] <mwhudson> upgrading a branch is a faff currently
[12:35] <zerok> mwhudson, well, i would like to use for instance dirstate-tags
[12:36] <Ng> I have a branch hosted by LP which uses tags and it's not whinged at me yet :)
[12:36] <mwhudson> bzr init --dirstate-tags; bzr push sftp://blah/bah
[12:37] <mwhudson> zerok: sure
[12:37] <mwhudson> zerok: it sounds like you've tried something and had it not work
[12:37] <mwhudson> zerok: how about telling us what you've tried and how it didn't work?
[12:40] <zerok> mwhudson, i haven't tried anything yet :) i was just considering putting something on launchpad and wasn't sure, whether or not tags would be supported :)
[12:40] <zerok> thanks :)
[12:41] <mwhudson> they are
[12:41] <zerok> ok thanks :)
[01:51] <ubotu> New bug: #129399 in launchpad "New user signup: usability on confirmation page" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/129399
[01:56] <bmm> Is there a API for launchpad? Something to download bugs/search results without parsing the HTML?
[01:58] <intellectronica> bmm: not yet, unfortunately
[01:58] <bmm> intellectronica: not even a kind of xmlrpc thing?
[01:59] <intellectronica> bmm: it would be nice if you could write to the mailing list or raise a blueprint with the features you need, so if and when an api is designed your needs will be taken into consideration
[01:59] <intellectronica> bmm: unfortunately not
[01:59] <Hobbsee> intellectronica: what does bughelper use?
[02:00] <intellectronica> Hobbsee: bughelper?
[02:00] <Hobbsee> intellectronica: it's a tool that the bugsquad uses for bugs.
[02:00] <Hobbsee> intellectronica: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BugHelper
[02:01] <intellectronica> Hobbsee: there are xmlrpc, but afaik only ad-hoc stuff that isn't available to the public
[02:01] <intellectronica> I may be wrong, though
[02:01] <BjornT> bmm: an API for getting information about bugs from launchpad is planned, but it will take at least a few months before it's finished.
[02:02] <BjornT> Hobbsee: bughelper parses the html
[02:02] <bmm> Would it be acceptale to download and parse the HTML for personal use?
[02:03] <Hobbsee> BjornT: ahhh.  what about the bugstats?
[02:03] <Hobbsee> thats' waht i was thinking of
[02:03] <spiv> There's just +text atm.
[02:03] <spiv> https://launchpad.net/bugs/129399/+text
[02:03] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 129399 in launchpad "New user signup: usability on confirmation page" [Undecided,New]  
[02:04] <BjornT> Hobbsee: hmm, i don't know, actually. i'd think that it parses the html as well.
[02:05] <Hobbsee> BjornT: no idea what http://people.ubuntu-in.org/~carthik/bugstats/stats is, which is what it seems to use
[02:05] <Hobbsee> as in, how it got that info
[02:05] <Kmos> Hobbsee: http://outflux.net/ubuntu/stats/
[02:05] <Kmos> this is the new one
[02:05] <Hobbsee> ah, thanks
[02:06] <BjornT> bmm: oh, right, forgot about +text. there's also +bugs-text (e.g. https://launchpad.net/malone/+bugs-text)
[02:06] <bmm> Kmos: sing python, wget and gnuplot. Probably parses HTML ;-)
[02:06] <Fujitsu> Is +bugs-text searchable yet?
[02:07] <BjornT> Fujitsu: no, it's not.
[02:07] <bmm> BjornT: +text seems to be something that would be acceptable to parse and use :-D Then only the list would have to be HTML parsed.
[02:07] <intellectronica> bmm: see https://launchpad.net/legal (bottom of the page)
[02:07] <bmm> intellectornica: thanks!
[02:09] <intellectronica> bmm: and don't be shy writing about your usage to the list and / or raising a blueprint :)
[02:09] <Kmos> bmm: yeah, something like that
[02:10] <Hobbsee> matsubara: ping if you're not busy?
[02:10] <matsubara> Hobbsee: pong
[02:10] <BjornT> bmm: you might be interested in https://launchpad.net/python-launchpad-bugs, it's what bughelper uses to get bug information from launchpad.
[02:11] <bmm> k, thanks for the info all!
[02:17] <cprov> good morning ...
[02:17] <Fujitsu> Hi cprov.
[02:18] <Hobbsee> morning cprov 
[02:25] <ubotu> New bug: #129406 in malone "IAddBugTaskForm should define its own attributes" [Undecided,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/129406
[02:41] <Hobbsee> erm?  are the permissions broken?
[02:41] <Hobbsee> i would have expected that qa, ubuntu-dev could see https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/129410
[02:53] <Fujitsu> Hobbsee: Works for me...
[02:53] <Fujitsu> Hobbsee: Anyone should be able to see it.
[02:55] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: yes, it's changed now
[03:32] <bazmatt> how does one go about to make feature requests for ubuntu?
[03:32] <Kmos> bazmatt: blueprints :)
[03:33] <Kmos> bazmatt: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+specs and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FeatureSpecifications
[03:33] <Kmos> read them
[03:34] <bazmatt> thx
[05:35] <ubotu> New bug: #129444 in launchpad "Problems running xx-potemplate-admin.txt in Gutsy" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/129444
[05:40] <ubotu> New bug: #129447 in soyuz "Visiting builds status page without having activate PPA gives nasty error" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/129447
[05:41] <ubotu> New bug: #129445 in launchpad "Problem with specs/07-dependencies.txt and specs/15-non-ascii-imagemap.txt pagetest in Gutsy" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/129445
[06:13] <zerok> is a team name restricted to one project? for example i just registered django-lifestream. could i for example create a team called "team" without having some possible name-clashing with other projects?
[06:17] <salgado> zerok, you should use something meaningful as your team's name. that will avoid name-clashing with other teams and make it easier for people to see at a glance what the team's about
[06:18] <zerok> salgado, ok, so basically there is only one global namespace for teamnames. was just wondering because django-lifestream-developers is ... quite a name ;)
[06:19] <salgado> zerok, you can use just django-lifestream (or django-lifestream-devs) as the team name. the namespace for teams is not the same as the namespace for projects
[06:19] <zerok> ok thanks :)
[06:19] <salgado> you're welcome :)
[06:32] <zerok> sorry, another dumb question: how would i delete a branch?
[06:41] <mwhudson> zerok: wait until the next rollout :/
[06:41] <zerok> :-(
[06:41] <mwhudson> for now you can assign it to the +junk project and mark it abandoned
[06:41] <mwhudson> then it won't show up in many places
[06:41] <zerok> sounds like a cron ;)
[06:42] <zerok> will it then get removed eventually or will it just not show up anymore?
[07:10] <ubotu> New bug: #129470 in soyuz "Port BuildRecordsView and QueueRecordsView to use LaunchpadView*" [Wishlist,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/129470
[07:20] <ubotu> New bug: #129471 in launchpad "python-codespeak-lib should be in the launchpad-dependencies meta-package" [High,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/129471
[08:15] <superm1> cprov, ping
[08:16] <cprov> superm1: pong
[08:16] <superm1> Hi cprov, i was wondering about PPAs.  The documentation alludes to the ability to remove packages from one, but such functionality can't be currently found.  Is there a manual way to do so?
[08:20] <cprov> superm1: yes, *very* manual for now, that's why I suggest, if there is a package bothering in your PPA, that you simply upload a new pristine version.
[08:21] <cprov> superm1: if it's urgent, I can do the removal 
[08:21] <superm1> very manual in the sense that i could do it myself, or i'd have to query one of you guys to remove it from a db and manually delete the files?
[08:21] <superm1> its not urgent, it was just a minor mistake in the upload that will prevent the build
[08:21] <superm1> and i was hoping to not have to bump the version number for that purpose
[08:24] <cprov> superm1: "very manual" in a way "Only I can do it for now" :( 
[08:24] <superm1> ah i see
[08:24] <superm1> okay well don't fret then.
[08:24] <superm1> i'll be more careful with my uploads to it in the future
[08:24] <cprov> superm1: bump the version, it's free :)
[08:26] <cprov> superm1: don't be 'careful' we want you to be *wild* in PPAs ... superseded packages are (will be) automatically removed.
[08:26] <superm1> well it was in testing a bug fix later intended for the archive, so it shouldn't start gaining new version number i had thought
[08:27] <superm1> if i was going to request in the bug report to sync it from my PPA
[08:29] <cprov> superm1: well, in this case I'd not recommend remove/re-uploading the same pkg version, it will screw apt in the clients that have already installed the current package.
[08:30] <superm1> well in this particular case it was a build depend problem, so it didn't even build :)
[08:32] <cprov> superm1: right ... anyway, bump the version 
[08:32] <superm1> okay thanks :)
[08:50] <ubotu> New bug: #129487 in soyuz "Some parts of Buildmaster code are not covered by tests" [Low,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/129487
[09:05] <ubotu> New bug: #129491 in soyuz "Model Processors/ProcessorFamilies supported for PPA in DB" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/129491
[09:40] <ubotu> New bug: #129497 in launchpad-answers "Do not expire questions linked to open bugs" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/129497
[10:05] <greg-g> I am the owner of a team, is there a way that I can send a message to all of the members?  (this is for a Ubuntu LoCo, fwiw)
[10:05] <kiko> greg-g, not currently, though that's an open bug.
[10:06] <greg-g> ok, thank kiko 
[10:20] <ubotu> New bug: #129503 in launchpad-answers "do not display the call to answer when the user cannot answer" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/129503
[11:42] <ondrej> Hi, is anyone here administering dogfood? I imported my openpgp key, it said I am going to receive an email, but I didn't get it. I tried that 3 times (the page says Keys pending validation...). I think it's some problem with the server again, does anyone know how to fix it please? Thanks a lot
[11:43] <carlos> ondrej: you would need to check that with cprov
[11:44] <ondrej> carlos: should I ask him privately?
[11:45] <cprov> ondrej: check the documentation, dogfood doesn't send email, once you have performed the steps described in PPAQuickStart in production, send an email to ppa-beta@
[11:48] <ondrej> well, in https://help.launchpad.net/PPAQuickStart, there is I should become the ubuntero, by signing the Code of Conduct, and to do that I need to impor the keys, as described in https://help.launchpad.net/ImportingYourOpenPGPKey
[11:48] <cprov> ondrej: yes, all them refer to LP production, right ?
[11:48] <ondrej> that's correct
[11:49] <ondrej> so what kind of email should I send to ppa-beta? (I am in touch with them, they put me to the beta testers, but this problem with the pgp keys wasn't resolved yet)
[11:49] <ondrej> for two days
[11:51] <cprov> ondrej: you are not member of launchpad-beta-tester -> https://launchpad.net/~ondrej-certik
[11:53] <ondrej> cprov: https://dogfood.launchpad.net/~ondrej-certik
[11:53] <ondrej> I am 
[11:54] <cprov> ondrej: not in dogfood, 
[11:55] <cprov> ondrej: you have to be a beta-tester in production, as I have discussed with matt revell this morning.
[11:55] <ondrej> ok, I didn't know that
[11:55] <ondrej> cprov: so, what should I do?
[11:56] <ondrej> cprov: just to be clear - I applied to beta test the personal package archive
[11:56] <ondrej> cprov: and they told me to use dogfood, since they are beta testing it
[11:58] <cprov> ondrej: you will be using dogfood for PPA but we want your rights to be granted in production first
[11:58] <ondrej> ok - in the production, I have my openpgp keys ok, and I signed the code of conduct
[11:59] <ondrej> cprov: could you please add me to the beta testers in production then?
[11:59] <cprov> ondrej: right, you are only missing membership on lp-beta-testers
[11:59] <cprov> ondrej: I can't, you have to get in touch with matt revell via ppa-beta@, as I said before
[12:00] <ondrej> ok, I'll ask him to add me to the beta testers in production as well
[12:00] <cprov> ondrej: when you become a member I will immediately copy the right to dogfood and you will be able to use your PPA
[12:01] <ondrej> cprov: but still I am kind of confused how I can sign the code of conduct without the keys. Oh, ok, so you will move it by hand. ok, I'll ask him to do it. thanks
[12:01] <cprov> ondrej: btw, to avoid confusion I removed you beta-tester membership in dogfood for now, to be in sync with production.
[12:02] <ondrej> cprov: ok, perfect
[12:03] <cprov> ondrej: sorry for the inconvenience of the procedure, but we have to be sure that you won't lose your (PPA) rights when we move to production later.
[12:03] <ondrej> cprov: no problem, I just send Matthew an email
[12:04] <cprov> ondrej: great, thanks for helping us to test PPA. Looking forward to see your packages. I have to go now ... 
[12:05] <ondrej> cprov: ok, thanks a lot for the help
[12:05] <ondrej> cprov: see you
[12:07] <kiko-afk> cprov, can we talk a bit tomorrow?
[12:10] <cprov> kiko-afk: sure 
[12:11] <cprov> kiko-afk: about lost thinkpad power-supplies or something more noble ? :)
[12:12] <cprov> kiko-afk: morning, lunch or evening ? what will be the best for you ?