[09:20] <kraut> moin
[11:21] <kraut> hi
[11:21] <kraut> are there any issues concerning nfs-handling in the feisty-kernel?
[11:21] <kraut> i have problems with fast chainging permissions
[11:21] <kraut> two nodes using the same nfs-share on a fileserver. one node changes permissions and the other node see this changes only a minute later.
[03:48] <Lost__> anyone answering questions on kernel support yet?
[03:51] <kraut> Lost__: not really ;)
[03:52] <Lost__> kraut, such is life - always waiting for something!
[03:53] <kraut> Lost__: indeed, but not over 24 hours everytime :/
[03:53] <zul> besides this channel isnt for support
[03:54] <ICU> so says the topic :)
[03:54] <Lost__> zul please enlighten me as to its purpose if not to answer issues with kernel support?
[03:55] <ICU> "topic: Ubuntu kernel development discussion ONLY"
[03:55] <kraut> discussion about a bug isn't a development-issue? sounds interesting
[03:55] <soren> kraut: You didn't mention any bugs. You said "support". That's different.
[03:56] <kraut> soren: i said "support"?!
[03:56] <soren> kraut: If it's about a bug, it might very well be relevant.
[03:56] <Lost__> My question has to do with missing kernel files to properly install a vid card. Where would I go to find answers?
[03:56] <soren> kraut: Sorry, no.
[03:56] <kraut> soren: it was about i bug wich i described tomorrow and i am still waiting for an answer...
[03:56] <soren> kraut: tomorrow?
[03:57] <kraut> this morning, sorry
[03:57] <soren> kraut: "morning" is not a very good reference. :) I'm for instance in CEST while most of the kernel team is in the US.
[03:58] <ICU> several hours ago?
[03:58] <kraut> i am also using CEST. ok, it's over six hours ago
[03:59] <amitk_> kraut: if your feel it is a kernel bug specific to Ubuntu, file a bug on Launchpad.net. If it a generic kernel bug, file it upstream.
[03:59] <kraut> where do i find the changelog about the ubuntu-kernel?
[03:59] <kraut> or is that a support-question?
[04:00] <Mithrandir> /usr/share/doc/linux-image-$(uname -r)/changelog.Debian.gz ?
[04:01] <amitk_> Here is the link to the kernel git repository: http://kernel.ubuntu.com/git?p=ubuntu/ubuntu-gutsy.git;a=summary
[04:01] <kraut> Mithrandir: thanks
[04:02] <kraut> amitk_: i just want to verify the chanegs ubuntu did between 2.6.15 and 2.6.20, because 2.6.15 is running fine but the hardware-support is worst in it.
[04:03] <amitk_> kraut: are you comfortable using git?
[04:04] <kraut> yes, why?
[04:06] <amitk_> clone the repository above
[04:06] <amitk_> then run 'git log v2.6.15..Ubuntu-2.6.22-9.20 ' to find _everything_ that changed
[04:07] <amitk_> kraut: to restrict to changes in a particular subdirectory add the path after the git log command
[04:08] <kraut> amitk_: the website is fine for me. also i only need a diff between 2.6.15 and 2.6.20.
[04:08] <amitk_> e.g. git log v2.6.15..Ubuntu-2.6.22-9.20 fs/nfs
[04:08] <amitk_> kraut: ok. great
[04:13] <kraut> amitk_: if you want to see, what i mean: http://exodus.packetloss.biz/~kraut/temp/nfs_issue-2.6.20-3
[04:14] <kraut> erm, ignore that
[04:16] <ICU> heh
[04:17] <kraut> http://exodus.packetloss.biz/~kraut/temp/nfs_issue-2.6.20-3
[04:32] <amitk_> kraut: 'git log Ubuntu-2.6.17-10.25..Ubuntu-2.6.20-4.5 fs/nfs* | grep UBUNTU' does not yield any Ubuntu-specific patches. So you breakage is likely causes upstream
[04:32] <kraut> hmmmmm, severall changes between 2.6.17 and 2.6.20 in write.c of nfs. only documentated with "cleanup" :/
[04:33] <kraut> amitk_: http://kernel.ubuntu.com/git?p=ubuntu%2Fubuntu-feisty.git&a=search&h=HEAD&s=write.c
[04:35] <amitk_> kraut: those are 'cleaning up' sysfs, not nfs
[04:36] <amitk_> ohh wait
[04:36] <kraut> amitk_: http://kernel.ubuntu.com/git?p=ubuntu/ubuntu-feisty.git;a=commit;h=49a70f278658894d2899824cd4037095fb6711fe
[04:36] <kraut> that one for example
[04:38] <amitk_> kraut: these are coming from _upstream_. Have you verified this with newer kernels from other distros? or from kernel.org kernels?
[04:38] <kraut> not until yet
[04:38] <kraut> amitk_: i am just searching through lkml
[04:39] <amitk_> kraut: Just repeating myself here: 'git log Ubuntu-2.6.17-10.25..Ubuntu-2.6.20-4.5 fs/nfs* | grep UBUNTU' does not yield any Ubuntu-specific patches. So you breakage is likely causes upstream.
[04:39] <kraut> i read it ;)
[04:39] <amitk_> I would urge you to file a bug on kernel.org :)
[04:40] <kraut> yes yes
[04:40] <kraut> ;)
[04:41] <kraut> first i should give 2.6.20-29 a try
[05:02] <lamont> BenC: eta to a kernel with hppa happiness?
[07:12] <lazka> i guess this has been asked a thousand times... but what are the chances for 2.6.23 in gutsy?
[07:22] <zul> lazka: nil im thinking
[07:24] <lazka> zul: k, thanks
[07:24] <zul> considering 2.6.23 hasnt even been released yet
[07:25] <kylem> why do you want .23?
[07:28] <lazka> kylem: nothing really important... while playing counterstrike i often get lags and i thought maybe the new scheduler might change this,,
[07:30] <zul> lazka: doesnt stop you from building your own from source though
[07:30] <pmjdebruijn> lazka, probably not
[07:30] <pmjdebruijn> lazka, if you only run a single application, the schedular does not make much of a difference....
[07:30] <pmjdebruijn> lazka, and if you run multiple apps... you plain shouldn't while gaming
[07:33] <lazka> zul: that's on my todo list :)
[07:35] <lazka> 2.6.22 seems to be a good one... i hope BenC will get some more sleep then last time right before the release :P
[08:23] <doko> BenC: please could you prepare a linux-libc-dev for lpia? I don't care, if kernels are built, maybe build just a generic kernel, with -march=i686 -mtune=i586, and use explicitely gcc-4.1
[08:32] <BenC> doko: you could probably use i386 package and force install it (or dpkg-deb munge it for lpia arch)
[08:47] <doko> BenC: so scared that you leave? ;-P
[08:48] <BenC> doko: trying to get this laptop stable :)
[08:48] <doko> BenC: no, we're done with the bootstrap, now needing to make build-essential workable. could you upload a new package today?
[08:48] <doko> BenC: one more reason to build linux-libc-dev from separate source ...
[08:48] <BenC> doko: not really, tribe-4 freeze is in affect
[08:49] <doko> BenC: what's the problem, just the lpia change
[08:49] <BenC> building it from separate source sort of defeats the purpose :)
[08:49] <BenC> doko: it's the rebuild of all of linux-image's and pitti will shoot me
[08:49] <infinity> pitti will understand, iff you don't break the build of the other arches...
[08:49] <BenC> doko: if the bootstrap is done, how did it get done?
[08:50] <infinity> We have i386 packages in the chroots.  We'd really like to not.
[08:50] <infinity> (Would be nice to be able to debootstrap lpia...)
[08:50] <BenC> doko: but linux-source-2.6.22 doesn't even know what lpia is...it would take me some time to add a new arch
[08:50] <doko> infinity: debootstrap worked =)
[08:51] <infinity> doko: Sure, but it's incomplete.
[08:53] <doko> BenC: just copy the i386 bits for now and just build one kernel (or none, if thats possible)
[08:55] <BenC> Ok, I'll try to get an upload tonight
[09:07] <djavolo> hi all
[09:07] <djavolo> how i can update kernel?
[09:13] <JanC> djavolo: with apt-get or synaptic