[12:33] here is something ironic: CIO recommends SUSE for thin clietns over ubuntu [12:33] http://www.cio.com/article/print/126702 [12:35] oh Burgundavia, you're here [12:35] hey LaserJock [12:35] your former colleagues are bugging me today ;-) [12:36] heh [12:36] what about? [12:36] the usual [12:36] Desktop Multiplier should be updated [12:39] Burgundavia: they're still trying to get it into Feisty [12:44] right, have you emailed them the SRU documentation? [12:45] no, I just gave an explanation an pointed out the release schedule [12:52] given the binary nature of d-m, I would say an SRU is acceptable [12:56] yeah, but we don't do new upstream releases in -updates [01:01] LaserJock: what about flashplayer? [01:02] hmm, you're right [01:03] this is pretty much purely binary crap [01:04] I'm not sure if I can get away with an SRU (no data loss bug, etc.) but at least there is precedent there [01:06] I don't honestly trust Jason, so meh [01:06] remember, I have seen Userful's "QA" policies [01:10] heh [01:10] he's going to test his new package on Gutsy and get back to me [01:10] so I'm off the hook for a little bit === salsaguy [n=rob@84.13.152.191] has joined #edubuntu [01:36] Burgundavia: Yeah, that is ironic. I'm not sure how he could recommend SUSE for TCs unless he's ignorant of the entire direction of the LTSP. [01:37] moquist: likely he doesn't know about it [01:45] I thougt the comparison of SUSE-Windows and Ubuntu-Mac was interesting. [01:45] It may explain part of why I can't stand SUSE. === salsaguy [n=rob@84.13.152.191] has joined #edubuntu === thelockkeeper [n=rob@84.13.152.191] has joined #edubuntu === jack_wyt_ [n=jack@124.64.110.244] has joined #edubuntu === merriam__ [n=merriam@82-133-115-120.dyn.gotadsl.co.uk] has joined #edubuntu === effie_jayx [n=valles@ubuntu/member/effie-jayx] has joined #edubuntu === thelockkeeper [n=rob@84.13.152.191] has left #edubuntu ["Ex-Chat"] === tidrion [n=cescalan@mail.ogdenpubs.com] has joined #edubuntu === tidrion_ [n=cescalan@mail.ogdenpubs.com] has joined #edubuntu [03:41] Well. Multi host to do now. [03:41] Man, been a busy couple of days. === frankhardy [n=Frank@68-112-62-005.dhcp.buft.sc.charter.com] has joined #edubuntu === effie_jayx [n=valles@ubuntu/member/effie-jayx] has joined #edubuntu === jack_wyt_ [n=jack@124.64.110.244] has joined #edubuntu === effie_jayx [n=valles@ubuntu/member/effie-jayx] has joined #edubuntu === miguelon [n=migsol@201.230.187.30] has joined #edubuntu === JohanSalim [i=G3b0ys@ip84-223.cbn.net.id] has joined #edubuntu === SimonAnibal [n=sruiz@pool-71-97-143-128.aubnin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #edubuntu === johanisrembet [n=server@125.162.205.156] has joined #edubuntu [06:48] Hari ini saya telah terima. Terima kasih atas kiriman 6 cd ubuntu. === jsgotangco [n=JSG@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #edubuntu === jack_wyt [n=jack@124.64.110.244] has joined #edubuntu === jack_wyt [n=jack@124.64.110.244] has joined #edubuntu === jack_wyt [n=jack@124.64.110.244] has joined #edubuntu === jbrefort [n=jean@pot44-1-88-172-65-1.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #edubuntu === joetheodd [n=joe@dpc674776052.direcpc.com] has joined #edubuntu === joetheodd_ [n=joe@dpc674776052.direcpc.com] has joined #edubuntu === Baby [n=miry@195.37.62.208] has joined #edubuntu === Knightlust [n=Dax@ubuntu/member/knightlust] has joined #edubuntu === jsgotangco [n=JSG@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #edubuntu === juliux [n=juliux@ubuntu/member/juliux] has joined #edubuntu === jsgotangco [n=JSG@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #edubuntu === jinty [n=jinty@221.Red-83-56-141.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #edubuntu === johanisrembet [n=server@125.162.205.156] has joined #edubuntu === johanisrembet [n=server@125.162.205.156] has left #edubuntu ["Kopete] === migi [i=migi@nat/sun/x-dee38d3d7ce6355f] has joined #edubuntu === RichEd [n=richard@dsl-245-142-167.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #edubuntu === Knightlust [n=Dax@203.87.200.214] has joined #edubuntu === t94xr [n=gta@60-234-134-174.bitstream.orcon.net.nz] has joined #edubuntu === spacey [n=herman@ubuntu/member/spacey] has joined #edubuntu === jbrefort [n=jean@pot44-1-88-172-65-1.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #edubuntu === txwikinger [n=txwiking@sblug/member/txwikinger] has joined #edubuntu === cliebow [n=cliebow@smoothwallkludge.ellsworth-hs.ellsworth.k12.me.us] has joined #edubuntu === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@c-71-225-164-164.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #edubuntu === spacey [n=herman@ubuntu/member/spacey] has joined #edubuntu [03:15] howdy all... working on my GSoC project PyStart and hope you guys can help... I am looking for the deb package that would have this in it... I need this module to safely run students code inside of pystart. [03:15] http://pypi.python.org/pypi/RestrictedPython/3.4.2#print [03:23] ogra is around here somewhere.... [03:23] does he know this kinda stuff? [03:24] I jsut found out it is part of the Zope system if it gives any hints [03:24] thats in zope3 [03:24] bingo [03:24] i dont know this kinda stuff ;) [03:24] but i know where to look [03:24] http://packages.ubuntu.com/cgi-bin/search_contents.pl?word=RestrictedPython&searchmode=searchfilesanddirs&case=insensitive&version=feisty&arch=i386 === encompass clicks [03:25] intresting that koffice duplicated the code here [03:26] they did... they should have it as a separate package so I can use it :P I don't see any other way of testing untrusted code then threw this. But if I just use the egg then it screws up my program going into edubuntu sooner [03:27] ogra: should I make a package of this along with my GSoC project? [03:27] given that schooltool will likely be shipped again this release, we'll have zope aboard in edubuntu [03:27] It would be a pain but my guess the only way [03:27] ok [03:28] talk to doko, he makes such decisions for our python stack [03:28] in case you want a separate package [03:28] hving koffice ship its own *and* a third project using it might justify that [03:28] yeah... otherwise PyStart required zope3 :P [03:29] how best should I talk to doko? [03:29] threw pete? [03:29] either yourself in #ubuntu-devel or through your mentor [03:30] doko is a nice guy he wont eat you ;) just explain the prob [03:31] thanks I will hope over === encompass hopes === encompass hops :D === juliux [n=juliux@ubuntu/member/juliux] has joined #edubuntu === jillc [n=chatzill@ip68-230-60-106.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined #edubuntu === Castigador [n=Alfredo@88.Red-80-38-9.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #edubuntu === JohanSalim [i=G3b0ys@ip84-223.cbn.net.id] has joined #edubuntu === miguelon [n=migsol@201.230.187.30] has joined #edubuntu === jsgotangco [n=JSG@203.156.138.202] has joined #edubuntu === juliux_ [n=juliux@ubuntu/member/juliux] has joined #edubuntu === juliux_ is now known as juliux === humbolto [n=elias@81.5.202.185] has joined #edubuntu === Bambi_BOFH [n=kgoetz@gnewsense/friend/kgoetz] has joined #edubuntu === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #edubuntu === SimonAnibal [n=sruiz@c-69-245-220-180.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined #edubuntu === Eelloe [i=eelloe@a178157.upc-a.chello.nl] has joined #edubuntu [06:07] Goeden avond allen tesamen [06:09] can somone help me with a network problem ?? === jsgotangco [n=JSG@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #edubuntu === LaserJock [n=mantha@lambda.chem.unr.edu] has joined #edubuntu [06:51] now where did RichEd run off too :-) [06:55] greetings from Bangkok [06:56] hi jerome [06:57] hey jordan, hows it going === jsgotangco has a pretty toxic sched lately [07:02] man, it's been rough [07:02] the laser went down at work [07:03] I spent over a week debugging electronics, etc. [07:08] yikes [07:08] ive been living in planes for 2 weeks already! [07:10] yeah === bddebian [n=bdefrees@63.81.56.182] has joined #edubuntu [07:16] Heya === RichEd [n=richard@dsl-245-142-167.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #edubuntu [07:39] RichEd, hey there, how are you today? === jbrefort [n=jean@pot44-1-88-172-65-1.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #edubuntu [07:41] hey SimonAnibal ... struggling with a head cold and fuzzy brain ... courtesy of a 31 hour travel + jet lag + getting home to a snotty wife [07:41] but alive and kicking [07:41] Right on, I've been doing a bit of travel lately myself [07:41] Except I was doing it for vacation [07:42] Not that it was relaxing because of that, but at least I was inflicting it on myself ;-) [07:42] :) was just about to ask if the new job was opening up the world to you [07:42] I'm certainly learning a lot at the new job [07:42] where did you go ? head down south for a bit? [07:42] I love it, and I'm exhausted as all getout after work [07:42] jillc: ping [07:42] Yeah, I went home to Venezuela for about 3 week [07:43] SimonAnibal: nice ... me needs to get to South America some time ... may go to brazil in september [07:43] Well, assuming it's as beautiful as Venezuela ;-) you'll love it [07:44] Hey, there's a conference going on here that might interest you in October [07:44] http://www.openmindsconference.org [07:44] SimonAnibal: I come from a Southern Continent myself ... real nature ... not the tame kind [07:44] The guy who spearheads the 1:1 access program in the state is putting it up [07:45] tom hoffman has already probed me about that ... it's being organised by our mutual connection - your and my first interaction mr huffman [07:45] RichEd, I was planning on going camping about as far from civilization as one can still get with a car, but my dad's car wasn't up to the task, so we postponed that for next year [07:46] (and he's no relation to felicity i presume) [07:46] RichEd, nods, he was the keynote speaker at the CINLUG meeting you asked me to attend on Canonical's behalf [07:46] RichEd, I'm afraid that reference is lost on me [07:47] SimonAnibal: use the thumb transport :) [07:47] feilicy huffman is one of the desperate housewives actresses ... married to william h macy [07:47] I see, Transamerica [07:47] I never got to see that one [07:47] yes indeed :) [07:48] I did see Magnolia... [07:49] Mike made it a point to get me a card about the conference when he saw my new boss at NECC this year [07:49] It seems that next year's NECC will be taking place during my honeymoon, so I won't get to go to that one either [07:50] *shrug* I don't think I'll be worrying too much about it [07:50] difficult choice ... option 1: surrounded by geeks ... option 2: alone with a new bride .... erm ... [07:51] mind you ... some of the hacker types I know may chose option 1 :) === RichEd heads off for some dinner [07:51] RichEd, I would never live it down if I did [07:51] I've already had to push the wedding back a couple of weeks because of my new job === RichEd whacks SimonAnibal over the head with a keyboard for even considering it ;P [07:52] RichEd, richly deserved [07:53] if I had been serious, at least ;-) [07:54] I don't know [07:55] option 1 can be a lot of fun [07:56] well if your jockstrap is made of light ... maybe :) [07:56] but if you are packing ... option 2 is better [07:56] I'm ... not even going there [07:57] SimonAnibal prolly won't invite others along [07:57] me heads off for some food before he (1) starves or (2) offends someone [08:01] Ummm, no, not for the honeymoon. We'll be alone (or as alone as possible, at least) on a tropical archipelago resort. I'm not usually one for going "non-native" and getting the fancy treatment, but I figure that if there's one time in life when it's appropriate, it's the honeymoon [08:04] shhhhhh! you guys are talking to much in here :) [08:06] sorry === SimonAnibal goes back to idling (food!) === miguelon [n=migsol@201.230.187.30] has joined #edubuntu === a5benwillis_ [n=benwilli@72.159.132.4] has joined #edubuntu === pauljw_vm [n=paul@pool6.dial1-clec.newalb.win.net] has joined #edubuntu [08:22] Hello from Arizona. [08:22] hello [08:22] from Nevada [08:23] Hello from Pennsylvania [08:23] hello from germany (even though i'm not officially here until meeting starts :)) [08:23] ogra: where in Germany? [08:24] kassel [08:24] hess [08:24] ah, no its hesse in english ... === ogra pats his dictionary [08:24] heh [08:25] I think it's weird how the same place is called different things in different languages [08:25] Hi LaserJock, did you get storms yesterday? [08:25] kassel is just as good as hesse to me [08:25] heh [08:26] jillc: hmm, no. It doesn't exactly storm too much here. I'm in Reno so probably too far north for you [08:26] probably much cooler too! [08:26] LaserJock, http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&q=kassel+heinrich-zille+str.+5&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=31.013085,58.886719&ie=UTF8&ll=51.293834,9.46279&spn=0.011942,0.028753&t=k&z=15&om=1 [08:26] ;) [08:27] jillc: perhaps, it's been 100+ this week [08:28] ogra: it looks green [08:28] Yes, 100+ here too. Day after day [08:28] kind of ... [08:28] ogra: mine's not so green, http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&q=6482+Oneida+Ct,+Sun+Valley,+NV+89433&sll=50.526495,9.004442&sspn=4.358581,8.118896&ie=UTF8&ll=39.610978,-119.7628&spn=0.010315,0.015857&t=k&z=16&iwloc=addr&om=1 [08:29] to be honest i didnt really examine the environment yet ... in the one year i live here [08:29] lol [08:29] seems like you have a nice view over the edge from that place [08:29] hah [08:29] view of desert [08:29] sand and sagebrush [08:29] yeah [08:30] Beautiful sunsets though, yes? [08:30] yes [08:30] although not as good as the Montana sunsets I grew up with ;-) [08:31] there are few places that can rival Montana for their sunsets. [08:31] amen to that [08:31] when does the meeting start? do I have time to grab a sandwich? [08:32] I think it's at noon [08:32] if you go into #ubuntu-meeting and type: @now it will tell you :) [08:32] or maybe 1:00 [08:32] okay, I'm off to make a PBJ. [08:33] it's at 1:00, UTC 20:00 -7 === jinty [n=jinty@221.Red-83-56-141.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #edubuntu [08:37] ogra: how long does it take to drive to Frankfurt from your house? [08:37] about 2h [08:37] hannover is nearer [08:39] I won't be able to attend the meeting tonight :( [08:39] bummer === Mez [n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #edubuntu === txwikinger [n=txwiking@sblug/member/txwikinger] has joined #edubuntu === jgedeon [n=joe@oh-67-77-123-4.sta.embarqhsd.net] has joined #edubuntu === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #edubuntu === Will_ [n=Will@vc-196-207-41-252.3g.vodacom.co.za] has joined #edubuntu === Will_ is now known as will_ === will_ [n=Will@vc-196-207-41-251.3g.vodacom.co.za] has joined #edubuntu [09:50] darn, freenode won't let me use my nick [09:52] will_: that's no good, why not? [09:52] says "will" is already in use [09:52] also seems my nickserv password is not being accepted [09:53] hey willvdl [09:54] meeting in 7min? [09:54] or 6 now [09:54] === edubuntu meeting in 5 min === in #ubuntu-meeting === === will_ is now known as willvdl [09:55] aha, it's me! [09:55] LaserJock: 5.5 min [09:55] willvdl: \o/ [09:55] hey will_ [09:55] hey hey === th1a [n=hoffman@72.87.122.173] has joined #edubuntu [09:56] how was the vacation willvdl ? [09:57] it's still good :) [09:57] hi mr hoffman [09:59] hi RichEd. [10:00] RichEd: We've got to catch up sometime soon. [10:01] Oh, I'm in the wrong channel for the meeting. [10:01] th1a: been looking at those dates for k12 open minds ... nothing else cose by that I can piggyback on [10:01] === edubuntu meeting now === in #ubuntu-meeting === [10:42] just so you guys know, if there is any kde help you may need, I am available on that part if Riddell is busy or out partying past his bed time [10:43] nixternal: I think we need to make sure edubuntu-docs will work for khelpcenter [10:43] we will have to change ro [10:44] ro? s/ro/to [10:46] doesn't khelpcenter need HTML? [10:46] nope, it can do .docbook, but not .xml [10:46] heh, so just rename the files [10:47] yup, but you would still have to change the if you did them with the type="help" [10:47] I want to .docbook for Kubuntu docs so you don't have to build anything [10:47] cool [10:48] I don't *think* we have an ghelp links [10:48] but we can check [10:48] but can Yelp do .docbook? === ogra_ [n=ogra@p548ADAE6.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #edubuntu [10:50] nixternal: I have no idea, doesn't really matter though [10:51] I think they have to go to different paths anyway, so we can simlink or copy === pips1 [n=philipp@12.184.77.83.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined #edubuntu === jim_k [n=jim@204.248.118.32] has joined #edubuntu [10:59] ---> meeting continuation ... here <--- [10:59] so, the meeting proposal [10:59] hey [10:59] can I chat about a proposed agenda for splitting the meeting into 2 x 1 hour [11:00] to see if it makes sense ... [11:00] The old meeting agenda was: [11:00] # Technical [11:00] # Documentation [11:00] # Art Work [11:00] # Web Sites [11:00] # Community [11:00] # Management & Planning [11:00] # Any other Matters Arising [11:00] and that ran over 2 hours [11:00] and the agenda was quite loose ... so things could drag out a bit [11:01] so there has been a proposal bounced around about splitting the meeting into 2 [11:01] #1 technical - 1 hour - led by Oliver === ogra_ nods [11:01] #2 community & contributors - 1 hour - led by Richard [11:02] +1 [11:02] so I've played around with splitting the agenda, and giving it more structure ... [11:02] would this work ... as a starting suggestion: [11:02] #1 : Edubuntu Technical - Product [11:02] 1 HOUR led by Oliver [11:02] * Development : General [11:02] * Development : Activities for the past week [11:02] * Current Release Cycle [11:02] - next deadline [11:02] - what's needed / outstanding [11:02] * Coding [11:02] * Testing [11:03] * Documentation [11:03] * Artwork [11:03] * Upstream news [11:03] do you plan a second doc run in the second part ` [11:03] (comment: where we are in the release cycle and next deadline i think would be good to have as a context each time) [11:03] ? [11:03] well let me put that up: [11:04] #2 Edubuntu Community & Contributors [11:04] 1 HOUR led by Richard [11:04] * Edubuntu Members [11:04] - new people applying / joining / introducing themselves [11:04] - approvals : 1st meeting of every month [11:04] * Edubuntu Documentation Team [11:04] * Edubuntu Handbook Contributors [11:04] * Edubuntu Artwork [11:04] * Edubuntu Advocacy [11:04] * Websites [11:04] - www.edubuntu.org [11:04] - wiki.edubuntu.com [11:04] - community [11:04] * Community General [11:04] * Partner Projects [11:04] * Upcoming [11:04] - Events / Conferences / Expos [11:04] (comment: so the second part would revolve more around the LP group activities [11:04] RichEd: did you get my email about this? [11:05] LaserJock: what was the subject ... let me check [11:05] i dont think we should duplicate artwork and doc efforts ... [11:05] nb ... the above is just a suggestion ... we need to decide as a group [11:05] i'd put a * Genreal in place so if there are really art or doc issues related to tech we can discuss that there [11:05] ogra_: the first meeting would revolve around art for deadline ... [11:06] RichEd: "Edubuntu meeting notes" [11:06] but the master part should stay in one hand for both [11:06] but the 2nd one would be more about the people ... and mentoring ... introducing people into the contributor community === RichEd was trying to work out how to do this ... how would we resolve that ? [11:07] well, I've got a couple comments [11:07] LaserJock: checking mail now ... === RichEd listens intently [11:07] 1) this is too big and it's too rigid. We don't have people for most of that [11:07] well, i wont have much to talk about in the tech part for docs ... and i see the content management/decisions rather in the second meeting [11:08] 2) it seems like the idea was to divide technical from non-technical but it looks more like Canonical vs non-Canonical, which is not a good message [11:08] LaserJock: that was not at all my intention ... it did not even occur to me [11:09] to me neither, but now i know why i didnt like art and docs in the dev part :) [11:09] of course, I know you don't intend that [11:09] LaserJock: just scanned your mail ... we are on the same wavelength :) [11:09] my suggestion, briefly, was the following: [11:10] "#1 : Edubuntu Technical - Product" is the title :) we should soften that a bit [11:10] perhaps a simple summary of the split i proposed above is almost: [11:10] #1 work to deadline [11:10] make that just "edubuntu development" [11:10] #2 life outside the deadline and how to get involved [11:10] 1) ogra's section be shortish 30min maybe with Development Team style reports from Edubuntu devs [11:11] ogra_: a thought just occured to me: [11:11] #1 edubuntu-devel [11:11] LaserJock, sounds good [11:11] #2 edubuntu-usersd [11:11] #2 edubuntu-users [11:11] right [11:11] yes, that's better [11:11] LaserJock, well, thats usually what i do ... [11:12] so beyond the fact that there are not many devs its similar to a distro team meeting :) [11:12] ogra_: the reason I see that we need art / docs potentially in part 1 is to note what is needed for deadlines [11:12] those actiond can carry over into part 2 for people to tackle [11:12] ogra_: well, perhaps we need to more formally do that though, beyond just you [11:12] same for docs [11:13] RichEd, right, i think if we face art or doc deadlines it makes sense for devs having docs to contribute to attend the second meeting [11:13] yes, part one should be status reports from the devels/leads [11:13] LaserJock, so that would be you and me then ? :) [11:13] mostly to start with [11:13] ogra_: indeed ... but in part 1 the "project manager" brings the action items to the table with status [11:13] but also an art lead [11:13] sbalneav if he attends [11:14] and if we get some more MOTUs them too [11:14] right [11:14] anybody working on a spec, etc. [11:14] so that we help take the pressure off ogra and have less stuff rattling around in his head [11:14] what happens now is we start of with status reports and end in a free-for-all [11:14] RichEd, my had isnt the worrying part of my body :) [11:15] I'm glad to know that other people's heads rattle too === RichEd thinks we are getting somewhere ... taking shape better now === miguelon [n=migsol@201.230.187.30] has joined #edubuntu [11:15] I think if we tie the first part to edubuntu-devel discussions [11:15] so we don't have to use the meeting for all tech discussions [11:16] LaserJock: explan that in a few more words [11:16] well === RichEd is slow with a head cold tonight [11:16] when I get to the meeting I feel like I gotta get everything talked about [11:16] because this is the one time in the week when everybody is around [11:16] ogra: LOL [11:16] but really when a topic needs a good discussion it should be moved to the mailing list [11:17] if it can be worked out in a couple minutes fine [11:17] LaserJock: agreed ... but do you think there should be some crossover between the meeting and the mail list [11:17] but I think the tech part would be good to be mostly a : this is what I did this week, this is what I'm doing next week, and this is problems I'm having [11:18] like would it make sense to discuss some of the mail list posts (solutions / unsolved issues) in the meeting [11:18] and if the "problems I'm having" is non-trivial it should go to the mailing list [11:18] well, I would imagine it would go from IRC -> mailing list not the other way around, but it could [11:19] but I think we can handle the tech part in probably 15 min normally [11:19] ^ LaserJock : agreed what I did, and doing etc. but i also think a quick recap of the current place in the 6 month dev cycle would help a lot [11:19] yes [11:19] here is a paste of the significant stages in the cycle: [11:19] I agree too [11:20] my point was that if we are effectively using the mailing list we don't need to use the meeting as a troubleshooting session [11:20] * Toolchain Uploaded [11:20] * Development Summit [11:20] * Specifications must be finalized, translations exported from LP [11:20] * Tribe CD 1 [11:20] * DebianImportFreeze [11:20] * Remaining upstream merges completed, Rebuild Test [11:20] * Tribe CD 2 [11:20] * Server Team Sprint (Mon-Fri) [11:20] * Developer Sprint (Mon-Fri) [11:20] * Tribe CD 3 [11:20] * Tribe CD 4 [11:20] * FeatureFreeze, /!\ UpstreamVersionFreeze , /!\ ArtworkDeadlineOne, /!\ UVF Universe [11:20] * Rebuild Test, Upgrade Testing begins [11:20] * ArtworkDeadlineTwo, /!\ NewPackagesFreezeUniverse [11:20] * Tribe CD 6 [11:20] * StringFreeze [11:20] * BetaFreeze, /!\ GutsyArtworkFinalDeadline [11:20] * Rebuild Test [11:20] * BetaRelease [11:20] * NonLanguagePackTranslationDeadline, /!\ KernelFreeze [11:20] * Rebuild Test [11:20] * ReleaseCandidate, /!\ LanguagePackTranslationDeadline [11:21] * FinalRelease [11:21] * Development Summit [11:21] --- [11:21] it should just be status reports and making sure everything is on track [11:21] so i think a few words from ogra each week about what has passed and what is next would help (1) the process and deadlines and (2) the understanding of a lot of people [11:21] agreed [11:21] so that they understand the cycle [11:21] and the language [11:21] ogra_: agreed with me ? or LaserJock or both [11:22] with you in any case [11:22] hehe [11:22] ok, so, status reports from devs/team leads and then "upcoming deadlines" [11:22] i'd be in favour of a weekly status ... report and update [11:22] i'm not sure about the part of the weekly reports, since thats means to me to do it twice [11:22] ogra_: well, it'll be mostly trivial === Rondom [n=Rondom@p57A95326.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #edubuntu [11:22] so that we have the same weekly template, with a few items updated [11:22] (i am attending the distro team meetings a swell) [11:22] ogra_: I'm not thinking as formal as the Devel Meetings [11:23] ogra_: i'd hope that you can tell us in IRC and someone else do the updates [11:23] LaserJock, right [11:23] what you are doing now mostly [11:23] RichEd, well, i have to mail in my weekly reports anyway... but i'm quite happy thats on an optional base for me atm ... [11:23] it wouldf even be better if we had someone else walk you through the items each week, to make sure all things are convered, and updated [11:24] a secretary :) [11:24] like a secretary ... [11:24] :) [11:24] then minutes become easier to take and publish and more effective [11:24] ok, so is everybody on the same page for the first part? [11:24] yep [11:24] instead of a list of the meeting conversation in all it's glory [11:25] LaserJock: seems to me ... yes [11:25] LaserJock: I agree that we should try to keep the meeting time down to a necessary minimum, and I think the status updates will insure that, but I also see that sometimes, it happens that some developers that do volunteer work might attend a meeting "without warning" and they then need to discuss a certain thing they are working on, and that technical discussion might take up anywhere from 10-30 mins... [11:25] pips1, thats why we have 1h for that :) [11:26] i'm happy to make a wiki page with the proposede agenda (as per these discussions) down for editing / comments, agreement next week [11:26] if we ever find we need more we can do that [11:26] and i'll try to create a weekly status template === ogra_ is now known as ogra [11:26] i'll also act as the secretary for a week or three to get the minutes going === RichEd will *not* sit on ogra's knee while taking notes though [11:27] :( === ogra was hoping for a miniskirt as well :P [11:27] pips1: I think that's what the mailing list is for [11:27] ogra: what size are you ? [11:27] o_O [11:28] I need to run. It was nice meeting all of you. I've enjoyed it. You guys are funny. [11:28] ciao jillc, thanks for dropping by :) [11:28] thanks jillc [11:28] jillc: yes, nice to meet you. Thanks for stepping up to help with art [11:28] chat to you in email soon [11:28] LaserJock: so for part two ... i think we are in agreement as well ... on intention [11:29] part two should be user oriented [11:29] my thought was to based the meetings around the lp groups ... [11:29]