| DaSkreech | ryanakca: I was going to say semantik but never mind | 12:20 |
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| ryanakca | kwwii: ok | 12:22 |
| ryanakca | DaSkreech: okies :) | 12:22 |
| DaSkreech | It's a KDE4 app | 12:22 |
| ryanakca | yeah, looks cool, from what I see on kde-apps :) | 12:22 |
| DaSkreech | Yeah It's just kdissert ++ | 12:24 |
| DaSkreech | !info kdissert | 12:24 |
| DaSkreech | !info semantik | 12:24 |
| ubotu | kdissert: mindmapping tool. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.0.6.c-2ubuntu1 (feisty), package size 895 kB, installed size 2668 kB | 12:24 |
| ubotu | Package semantik does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas | 12:24 |
| nixternal | ahh, I need to map my mind...I am always losing it | 12:24 |
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| kwwii | man, kpdf SUCKS | 12:49 |
| kwwii | almost fscked up the printing of CD's due to it's lack of decent anti-aliasing | 12:50 |
| fdoving | libpoppler sucks for pritning, xpdf is much better. there is a bug-report somewhere. | 12:51 |
| kwwii | more and more I end up using gnome apps due to the fact that they simply work better :-( | 12:53 |
| kwwii | except konqueror - I still love good old konqi :-) | 12:53 |
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| Tonio_ | yo | 08:53 |
| nixternal | yo | 08:54 |
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| nixternal | uh oh | 08:57 |
| === Hobbsee DOOMS nixternal | ||
| nixternal | to late | 08:59 |
| nixternal | I have been doomed since day one | 08:59 |
| Hobbsee | heh | 09:01 |
| Tonio_ | yo Hobbsee ;) | 09:01 |
| Hobbsee | heya Tonio_! | 09:02 |
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| nixternal | g'nite | 09:10 |
| Hobbsee | night oh doomed one | 09:11 |
| Hobbsee | !nixternal | nixternal | 09:11 |
| ubotu | nixternal: Oh no! The pointy-clicky Vista lover has arrived! He's rumoured to be giving out free money, too! | 09:11 |
| _StefanS_ | morning | 09:12 |
| _StefanS_ | Tonio_: hey, you up for some hacking ? :) | 09:21 |
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| Tonio_ | _StefanS_: yup | 09:27 |
| Tonio_ | _StefanS_: kdebluztooth works :) | 09:27 |
| Tonio_ | _StefanS_: http://ubuntu.tonio.homelinux.org | 09:28 |
| Tonio_ | _StefanS_: please test | 09:28 |
| Tonio_ | everything is just fine with me | 09:28 |
| Tonio_ | except uploading a file | 09:28 |
| _StefanS_ | Tonio_: sweet | 09:30 |
| _StefanS_ | Tonio_: yes !! I see my mouse nmow | 09:31 |
| _StefanS_ | now | 09:31 |
| _StefanS_ | Tonio_: I see the .service files are in place ;) | 09:31 |
| _StefanS_ | Tonio_: and /usr/lib/bluetoothd-input|serial as well | 09:31 |
| _StefanS_ | Tonio_: want me to dig into the file upload thingy? | 09:32 |
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| Tonio_ | _StefanS_: everything is done :) | 09:34 |
| Tonio_ | _StefanS_: just dist-upgrade using my repo and that'll work | 09:34 |
| _StefanS_ | Tonio_: also file file upload? | 09:34 |
| Tonio_ | nope, not yet..... | 09:34 |
| Tonio_ | would be nice to investigate on that point | 09:34 |
| _StefanS_ | Tonio_: well that was what I meant :) "want me to dig into the file upload thingy?" | 09:35 |
| Tonio_ | _StefanS_: yeah I know.... | 09:35 |
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| Tonio_ | brb, awaken this time :) | 09:36 |
| _StefanS_ | gotta reboot | 09:36 |
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| _StefanS_ | Tonio_: do you know any way to change the steps for the volume up/down in kmilo ? | 09:52 |
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| _StefanS_ | Tonio_: have you tried to browse your phone's directories, and click the "Up" icon in konqueror? the path doesn't work correctly | 10:06 |
| _StefanS_ | Tonio_: must be something with konqueror | 10:08 |
| Tonio_ | _StefanS_: that worked with obex:/ | 10:11 |
| Tonio_ | _StefanS_: looks like obex2:/ needs love :) | 10:11 |
| _StefanS_ | Tonio_: probably ;) | 10:11 |
| Tonio_ | _StefanS_: you can compare with the code of actual kdebluetooth version | 10:11 |
| Tonio_ | _StefanS_: might find interesting things in the code to improve the second version | 10:11 |
| _StefanS_ | Tonio_: right, what actual kdebluetooth version do you mean ? | 10:12 |
| Tonio_ | _StefanS_: the on in the repos | 10:12 |
| _StefanS_ | Tonio_: kde's ? | 10:12 |
| _StefanS_ | Tonio_: or ubuntu? | 10:12 |
| Tonio_ | _StefanS_: 0.99-beta2 | 10:12 |
| Tonio_ | _StefanS_: ubuntu | 10:12 |
| Tonio_ | _StefanS_: I'm sure we can get it to work pretty easilly | 10:13 |
| _StefanS_ | Tonio_: right | 10:13 |
| Tonio_ | _StefanS_: eventually Riddell can commit to the kde svn branch btw | 10:13 |
| Tonio_ | s/we/you :) | 10:13 |
| _StefanS_ | :) | 10:13 |
| Tonio_ | unfortunatelly I can only package and test | 10:13 |
| _StefanS_ | Tonio_: what do you mean ? havent you got gutsy installed? | 10:14 |
| Tonio_ | yes, but gutsy doesn't have the latest kdebluetooth in the repos | 10:14 |
| _StefanS_ | nope, thats right. | 10:14 |
| Tonio_ | http://packages.ubuntu.com/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=kdebluetooth&searchon=names&subword=1&version=gutsy&release=all | 10:14 |
| _StefanS_ | got it now | 10:14 |
| Tonio_ | _StefanS_: I need to write a MIR for this | 10:14 |
| Tonio_ | will do that right now | 10:15 |
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| _StefanS_ | Tonio_: do you know where the obex/obex2 code is in the package? | 10:15 |
| _StefanS_ | ah got it. | 10:15 |
| Tonio_ | :) | 10:17 |
| Tonio_ | _StefanS_: I negociated a bit and we'll probably release with hidd enabled | 10:17 |
| Tonio_ | _StefanS_: that's usefull for autoreconnect, as the kdebluetooth frontend just replaces the hidd search | 10:18 |
| Tonio_ | _StefanS_: I tested disconnection and reconnection, works perfectly graphically btw, which is very good for us | 10:18 |
| _StefanS_ | Tonio_: hidd: sounds good. I have it disabled now, and mouse works anyways. | 10:19 |
| Tonio_ | _StefanS_: yes but you had to connect it right ? | 10:19 |
| Tonio_ | _StefanS_: did it work just while booting | 10:19 |
| _StefanS_ | Tonio_: yep, it asked me when I logged in and turned on the mouse | 10:20 |
| _StefanS_ | Tonio_: I had to accept the connection, and then it worked. | 10:20 |
| _StefanS_ | Tonio_: (I dialog asked me..) | 10:20 |
| Tonio_ | it asked you ? col :) | 10:20 |
| _StefanS_ | I/a | 10:20 |
| _StefanS_ | Tonio_: yep | 10:20 |
| Tonio_ | _StefanS_: with hidd enabled, you shouldn't have to accept | 10:20 |
| _StefanS_ | Tonio_: well I disabled hidd just to test what you said yesterday :) | 10:20 |
| Tonio_ | _StefanS_: requires testing to be sure that works, if it doesn't, no need to enable hid by default | 10:21 |
| _StefanS_ | Tonio_: and it worked well without | 10:21 |
| Tonio_ | _StefanS_: how about rebooting with hidd enabled ? will it autoreconnect the mouse ? | 10:21 |
| _StefanS_ | Tonio_: yep | 10:21 |
| Tonio_ | _StefanS_: hidd is just for autoreconnection afaik, the dbus thing just avoids using hidd cli as I said | 10:21 |
| Tonio_ | _StefanS_: oki great | 10:21 |
| Tonio_ | _StefanS_: so we need hidd enabled by default | 10:22 |
| _StefanS_ | Tonio_: just to recap... I sorta tested the other way around, so first with HIDD = enabled, and it just worked with the mouse. Second I disabled HIDD, and was asked to verify that I indeed wanted to connect the mouse | 10:22 |
| _StefanS_ | Tonio_: yes, enabling HIDD would be alot easier for the users. It just "works". | 10:23 |
| _StefanS_ | Tonio_: I will look at that obex/obex2 thing | 10:23 |
| Tonio_ | _StefanS_: super, you rock :) | 10:24 |
| Tonio_ | Hobbsee: ping ? | 10:24 |
| _StefanS_ | :) | 10:24 |
| Hobbsee | Tonio_: semi-pong | 10:24 |
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| Tonio_ | Hobbsee: I just realised I promissed someone to get kplayer in the archives for gutsy :) I'm just doing the packaging, will you have some time today to review ? | 10:24 |
| Hobbsee | Tonio_: perhaps. unsure. i'm going out in a minute | 10:25 |
| Hobbsee | stdin: meaning "i'm partially here" | 10:25 |
| Tonio_ | Hobbsee: oki ;) | 10:26 |
| stdin | like being out of shift with the space-time continuum ? | 10:26 |
| _StefanS_ | stdin: where's stderr? | 10:26 |
| stdin | _StefanS_: off sick | 10:26 |
| stdin | :) | 10:26 |
| _StefanS_ | :) | 10:26 |
| _StefanS_ | touch | 10:27 |
| _StefanS_ | Tonio_: I have a feisty laptop around, I think I know what is causing it | 10:30 |
| Tonio_ | _StefanS_: great | 10:32 |
| Tonio_ | _StefanS_: talking about the "up" thing or the 32KB thing ? | 10:33 |
| _StefanS_ | Tonio_: up thing at the moment. | 10:33 |
| Tonio_ | _StefanS_: k | 10:33 |
| _StefanS_ | Tonio_: @bluetooth .. | 10:33 |
| _StefanS_ | obex://[00:1c:35:4f:0a:45] :10/Card memory vs. obex2://00:1c:35:4f:0a:45@bluetooth:10/Card memory | 10:33 |
| Tonio_ | hum interesting | 10:34 |
| _StefanS_ | I find it funny as well, that the [] is removed also.. that part seems to work though | 10:34 |
| Tonio_ | hum that kplayer is just so nice......... incredible | 10:36 |
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| _StefanS_ | Tonio_: I just sent you a mail.. check out that debug | 10:41 |
| Tonio_ | oki | 10:41 |
| _StefanS_ | Tonio_: I think it just cant get the source file filesize actually | 10:41 |
| Tonio_ | hum oki but why is that required to upload the file ? | 10:42 |
| Tonio_ | _StefanS_: ho right, the file is read to be 32KB | 10:43 |
| _StefanS_ | :) | 10:43 |
| Tonio_ | how stupid..... | 10:43 |
| Tonio_ | _StefanS_: I suspect that's not that hard to fix right | 10:44 |
| Tonio_ | ? | 10:44 |
| _StefanS_ | :) right | 10:44 |
| _StefanS_ | I' will post back when I find something | 10:44 |
| Tonio_ | _StefanS_: by analogy with sql, I just suspect this is a matter of buffer definition or something ? | 10:44 |
| _StefanS_ | Tonio_: I'm not sure yet | 10:45 |
| Tonio_ | k | 10:45 |
| _StefanS_ | Tonio_: actually I believe a system call would reveal its correct size for putFile() | 10:45 |
| Tonio_ | nixternal: ping ? | 10:46 |
| Tonio_ | _StefanS_: oki :) | 10:47 |
| Tonio_ | nixternal: I just repackaged kplayer for revu | 10:47 |
| Tonio_ | nixternal: didn't see anything in debian yet, so I though that due to freezes approaching, it would be nice to have something packaged.... | 10:47 |
| Tonio_ | nixternal: I didn't split the package at all, as only one backend is compatible, so I didn't see any need of package splitting | 10:48 |
| _StefanS_ | Tonio_: thats just goofy... they miss the code for determining the filesize completely. | 10:48 |
| Tonio_ | _StefanS_: mouarf ;) | 10:48 |
| _StefanS_ | Tonio_: looking at the download thing, its all there. | 10:48 |
| _StefanS_ | Tonio_: getFile() | 10:48 |
| Tonio_ | _StefanS_: how stupid......... | 10:48 |
| Tonio_ | _StefanS_: do they test what they code sometimes ? :) | 10:53 |
| _StefanS_ | Tonio_: well they surely havent tested this. | 10:54 |
| Tonio_ | nixternal: just looked at the comments on the revu page for kplayer.... WTF is that ? | 11:08 |
| Tonio_ | Reasons for non-advocation: | 11:08 |
| Tonio_ | 4) .desktop file shouldnt use a type extension for the icon | 11:09 |
| Tonio_ | 1) The kplayer binary still has 51% (4MB) in /usr/share | 11:09 |
| Tonio_ | nixternal: do they smoke ? | 11:09 |
| Tonio_ | nixternal: should we recode every app we package ? | 11:09 |
| Tonio_ | the funny thing is this : | 11:09 |
| Tonio_ | 2) Consider using debian/kplayer.manpages instead of DEB_INSTALL_MANPAGES_kplayer := debian/kplayer.1 in debian/rules | 11:09 |
| Tonio_ | -> consider doing the way I like and not the way you like, despite both ways are perfectly correct and work..... | 11:10 |
| Tonio_ | so they expect we'll patch the build system to change the icon place, and then patch desktop files | 11:11 |
| Tonio_ | just for absolutly no change to the user, and nothing anyone will figure out ? that's just ridiculous.... | 11:11 |
| Tonio_ | we should drop OOo from the repos then, it doesn't have icons in pixmaps too........... | 11:13 |
| Riddell | desktop files shouldn't have the icon name extension in them, that is a bug | 11:15 |
| Tonio_ | I know, but I wouldn't reject an upload for this, honnestly..... | 11:15 |
| Riddell | saving 4MB*no-of-arches in the archives is a good idea | 11:15 |
| Tonio_ | I would note it and ask to ping upstream.... | 11:15 |
| Riddell | 2 is daft | 11:16 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: I don't say the comments are bad, I just say than rejecting for this is stupid... | 11:16 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: we can drop 90% of packages in the archives then | 11:16 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: and concerning 1) except splitting the doc, where is the difference ? | 11:17 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: split to have datas in -common package, and make kplayer package depends on kplayer-common | 11:18 |
| Tonio_ | doesn't make any difference to me..... | 11:18 |
| Tonio_ | splitting the doc, I'd say why not, even if I don't see the need of this except for defualt inclusion to keep space on the cd.... | 11:18 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: btw, those are good comments, but , imho, strange reasons for rejecting a package..... | 11:19 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: concerning the doc splitting, that also can be annoying since most people won't figure out the doc package, and miss the documentation... | 11:20 |
| fdoving | splitting kplayer into 3 packages? - that sounds insane. isn't it just that little player-thing? | 11:20 |
| Riddell | I'd have a -data package and make the main one depend on it | 11:20 |
| Riddell | this is just revu right? it's not being rejected it's being reviewed | 11:21 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: I see your point in keeping 4mb datas in the archives, of course, but well, to many splitting makes dealing with packages supercomplex for the users.... | 11:21 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: yes I know, but well, a too complex accepting policy is not always good... | 11:22 |
| Tonio_ | look at the last comment... | 11:22 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: "forget this, I'll get the package in debian, and it'll be sync in ubuntu".... | 11:23 |
| Tonio_ | fdoving: yeah it is just a little player..... | 11:23 |
| Tonio_ | fdoving: I wouldn't split this one, except to go in main, as we need to take care of the size used on the cd | 11:23 |
| Tonio_ | fdoving: if we start splitting every package to keep space in the archives, we will never see the end..... and dealing with packages will become a nightmare for the users | 11:24 |
| Tonio_ | fdoving: lots of them already complain that for example typing openoffice in adept gives 200 results, what should they install then ? | 11:24 |
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| fdoving | debian? :) | 11:26 |
| Riddell | use adept-installer | 11:26 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: not everything is in it | 11:28 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: and btw how do you install an app documentation with adept-installer ? | 11:28 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: youhave to do it with adept..... that's the problem | 11:28 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: and I don't think missing the documentation of an installed application is good | 11:29 |
| Riddell | I've never suggested doing that | 11:29 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: I know, but that comes with the idea of splitting the package to keep space in the archives | 11:29 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: that's a consequence | 11:30 |
| Riddell | no it's not, as I said you make a -data package and make the full package depend on it | 11:30 |
| Tonio_ | but yeah, that can be done for icons and things like that | 11:30 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: that is indeed more acceptable | 11:30 |
| Riddell | however, the true lesson is that if nobody sane bothers with revu then you'll end up with perniquerty people only reviewing stuff | 11:31 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: true | 11:33 |
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| Riddell | apachelogger_: khalkhiapplet uploaded | 11:44 |
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| apachelogger_ | Riddell: thx | 12:14 |
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| Riddell | oh jings, they added an embedded terminal to dolphin | 12:19 |
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| Riddell | apachelogger: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=6226 kopete-otr uploaded | 12:23 |
| Riddell | apachelogger: what's the status of kopete-thinklight ? | 12:26 |
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| apachelogger | Riddell: looking for tester of new permission setting included by upstream, and waiting for upstream to include a COPYING.LIB | 12:28 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: great, I use the embedded terminal a lot | 12:47 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: one thing I'd like to see in kubuntu and dolphin is the little zoom effect I added to konq | 12:47 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: I'll try to adapt the patch | 12:48 |
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| kwwii_away | but dolphin was supposed to be simple - here we go with the geek-ificaiton of the newest attempts to fix things | 12:52 |
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| Riddell | exactly | 12:54 |
| Tonio_ | kwwii, Riddell: true, but well, OSX is meant to be simple, without geek-ification, and has the same effect | 12:59 |
| Tonio_ | the effect is not geeky, just smooth imho :) | 12:59 |
| Riddell | it doesn't have a terminal embedded in Finder! | 12:59 |
| kwwii | having a built in terminal is simply geeky | 12:59 |
| kwwii | there is no need for it | 12:59 |
| Tonio_ | kwwii: ho, the terminal........ yeah I can agree on that point | 12:59 |
| kwwii | the zoom effect is a nice idea ;-) | 01:00 |
| Tonio_ | kwwii: I just hope patching dolphin for this will not be too complicated | 01:02 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: we didn't resolve the problem if dolphin and ark..... I'll have a look on that point | 01:02 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: also, how can a user switch back to konq by default ? | 01:02 |
| Riddell | by changing the inode/directory mimetype preference (or removing the file that changes it in k-d-s) | 01:05 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: not very friendly.... | 01:16 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: would be nice to be able to use the component chooser in systemsettings, but it might be too late to code this... | 01:17 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: would you have some time for a quick revu ? | 01:17 |
| Riddell | what's to revu? | 01:18 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=6284 | 01:21 |
| Tonio_ | I think the package is ready this time | 01:21 |
| Tonio_ | about nixternal comment, I'll of course sync once the package is in debian, but I'd like to have it ready for gutsy | 01:21 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: a couple of comments (of which the first is the blocker) http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=6284 | 01:28 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: I was sure you were about to say that hehe :) | 01:30 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: what about elmo said the other day ? | 01:31 |
| Tonio_ | did that only concern the debian/copyright or also the tarball ? | 01:31 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: which part of what elmo said | 01:34 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: you don't need all copyright holders, but I would say you need all licences mentioned in debian/copyright | 01:34 |
| Riddell | and at the least the licence text needs to be included in the tar | 01:34 |
| Tonio_ | hum oki | 01:35 |
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| mhb | good afternoon | 01:52 |
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| Tonio_ | Riddell: should be okay this time | 02:15 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: also concerning the 2 space for the homepage | 02:15 |
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| Tonio_ | Riddell: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=6284 | 02:27 |
| Riddell | apachelogger: seen my comments on your kio-sysinfo package? | 02:28 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: discovered a nasty bug in dolphin..... | 02:28 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: did you play with the "split" option ? | 02:28 |
| Tonio_ | just ugly | 02:28 |
| Riddell | split seems to work | 02:28 |
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| Riddell | but no icon previews in dolphin sucks | 02:29 |
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| Tonio_ | Riddell: works, but isn't the second window position completly stupid ? | 02:39 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: yes, taht sucks, I agree | 02:39 |
| Riddell | it makes the information pane wider | 02:39 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: that's it | 02:40 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: and you have to resize manually everytime you activate this | 02:40 |
| === Hobbsee waves | ||
| === sebas waves back. | ||
| Tonio_ | also you can only compress folders, not files............... | 02:40 |
| Hobbsee | :) | 02:40 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: honnestly, I start wondering if switching to dolphin is a good idea..... | 02:41 |
| _StefanS_ | Tonio_: I'm still onto that readData() thing of bluetooth.. I'm getting closer :) | 02:41 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: lots of users will probably complain | 02:41 |
| Tonio_ | _StefanS_: you rock :) | 02:41 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: dolphin in kde4 seems great, but the kde3 version seems a bit limited for a all day long usage, no ? | 02:41 |
| sebas | No :-) | 02:42 |
| Tonio_ | sebas: talking about kde3 right ? :) | 02:42 |
| sebas | (But kde4's dolphin is cooler, that's right) | 02:42 |
| _StefanS_ | Tonio_: its fast! | 02:42 |
| sebas | Yes. I'm using it for months already | 02:42 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: a couple of comments, nothing major http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=6286 | 02:42 |
| Tonio_ | sebas: well, how do you for example compress a big text file with it ? | 02:42 |
| === _StefanS_ hopes the flickering is going to disappear in kde4 | ||
| sebas | Tonio_: I don't, usually. When I have to, it's usually in kmail, and there's the tickbox | 02:43 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: thanks, I'll fix concerning the second point | 02:43 |
| sebas | So, I've got limited usecases, but then it works fine for me. | 02:43 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: looks like a lot of package don't use capitalized "homepage" | 02:43 |
| Tonio_ | sebas: my point is that I'm really unsure what it'll be for most people usage... | 02:44 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: ok | 02:45 |
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| sebas | Tonio_: Frankly, the autoresizing listview makes up for it for me at least. | 02:47 |
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| Tonio_ | sebas: using the split thing ? | 02:48 |
| sebas | No, normal view | 02:48 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: how to know what are the licences for admin/ files ? | 02:48 |
| sebas | No horizontal scrollbars like in konqueror, that annoyed the shit out of me. | 02:49 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: well look at them, but you can get away with just saying "some files are LGPL" | 02:49 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: only acinclude.m4.in clearly has a licence in the code | 02:49 |
| Tonio_ | also doxygen.sh has a licence, and that's it..... | 02:50 |
| Riddell | am_edit has a strange licence too | 02:50 |
| Tonio_ | that admin/ content really bores me today :) | 02:50 |
| Tonio_ | hum I should have grep "general" and not gpl hehe :) | 02:51 |
| Tonio_ | but only one seems to be lgpl at least | 02:52 |
| Riddell | don't list specific files, that way disaster looms | 02:52 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: no of course, I just wanted to do that for me :) | 02:54 |
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| Tonio_ | to know about those licences in admin/ | 02:54 |
| Tonio_ | they caused me so many "NO" recently that I want to make it clear ;) | 02:54 |
| fdoving | hum.. my maxtor 1touch usb-disk died yesterday. i wonder if that has anything to do with the sync/async settings. it couldn't handle backups every night for more than 3 years. ohwell. | 02:56 |
| _StefanS_ | Tonio_: now I can write 64kb ! thats twice as good :) | 02:57 |
| Tonio_ | _StefanS_: LOL | 02:57 |
| _StefanS_ | hehe | 02:58 |
| fdoving | Tonio_: you can copy over the servicemenus from konq to dolphin. | 02:58 |
| _StefanS_ | fdoving: let me handle all the copying .. as long as it isn't above 64 kb :) | 02:58 |
| _StefanS_ | well back to hacking again .. | 02:59 |
| fdoving | _StefanS_: sure thing :) | 02:59 |
| Tonio_ | fdoving: it is not a servicemenu for konq, but a lib | 03:04 |
| Tonio_ | fdoving: dolphin kde3 isn't compatible with konqueror plugins, that's my problem with it | 03:04 |
| fdoving | Tonio_: most things can be done with servicemenus. | 03:05 |
| Tonio_ | fdoving: well I tried, but ark is hardly reproducible | 03:05 |
| Tonio_ | fdoving: especially as the content of the context menu isn't static with it | 03:06 |
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| === Hobbsee points to the meeting tomorrow | ||
| Tonio_ | fdoving: honnestly, I'm playing with dolphin for a few days now and I start wondering if it is ready to be used as default for everyone.... | 03:08 |
| Tonio_ | Hobbsee: isn't the meeting today ? | 03:08 |
| Hobbsee | Tonio_: for you | 03:08 |
| Hobbsee | Tonio_: my today only lasts for another 52 mins | 03:08 |
| mhb | ah :o) | 03:08 |
| Tonio_ | Hobbsee: hehe oki :) | 03:08 |
| Tonio_ | fdoving: especially since it'll be kinda hard to switch back to konq as default for noobs..... | 03:09 |
| mhb | Hobbsee: have you worked on that "kubuntu-kde4" meta package? | 03:10 |
| Hobbsee | mhb: nope! | 03:10 |
| Tonio_ | fdoving: don't get me wrong, I'm not against dolphin, as I submitted the idea of dolphin in gutsy, but the more I use it, the more I'm a bit unsure if we're doing the good thing..... | 03:10 |
| === Hobbsee hasnt done much in the last week and a half, ubuntu stated | ||
| Hobbsee | Tonio_: i'll second that. it's still a little...well, very different, and missing some stuff | 03:11 |
| Tonio_ | mhb, Hobbsee should't we wait for kde4 to be out to start the default settings for it ? | 03:11 |
| Tonio_ | I mean to may things are going to change before the release, and we'll have to undo lots of things if we start now.... | 03:11 |
| Tonio_ | Hobbsee: very different isn't the problem, immature is an issue :) | 03:12 |
| Hobbsee | that's wha ti meant | 03:12 |
| Hobbsee | my brain is fried | 03:12 |
| Hobbsee | i need more sleep | 03:12 |
| Tonio_ | Hobbsee: like the bug on spliting windows, the lack of ark integration, of capability to switch back to konqueror, etc.... | 03:12 |
| mhb | Tonio_: may be, but we'd like to have a metapackage for KDE4, so that users are able to install pre-relase KDE4 easily | 03:12 |
| Hobbsee | Tonio_: exactly | 03:12 |
| ScottK | You need to use kmail as your mail clieant (for Hobbsee from ubuntu-devel) | 03:12 |
| Hobbsee | hah | 03:12 |
| mhb | Tonio_: finding packages like "kdeliba5" or "kde4base" is pretty hard | 03:13 |
| Hobbsee | mhb: everything should be a dependancy of kde4base, it seems | 03:13 |
| Tonio_ | mhb: ho sorry you talked about a metapackage, I though you meant starting a defualt settings thing added to a metapackage :) sorry for the stupid comment then | 03:14 |
| ScottK | Hobbsee: As long as one doesn't use IMAP it's very good. (IIRC you use IMAP, so ...) | 03:14 |
| mhb | still, I'm for a cool-name package like "kubuntu-kde4". It's easier to remember and we can add the default-settings later) | 03:14 |
| Tonio_ | ScottK: kmail is excellent for imap, but using the disconnected mode | 03:14 |
| Hobbsee | ScottK: yes, i use imap | 03:14 |
| ScottK | Ah. | 03:14 |
| Hobbsee | Tonio_: what's the point of disconnected imap? | 03:14 |
| ScottK | Tonio_: Excellent disconnected or excellent when not disconnected? | 03:15 |
| Tonio_ | Hobbsee: download the all messages every X minutes, like pop | 03:15 |
| === ScottK mistrusts imap generally. | ||
| Tonio_ | but doing the sync local/remote the way imap does | 03:15 |
| Tonio_ | Hobbsee: the only difference is that you are not all day long connected | 03:15 |
| Tonio_ | Hobbsee: pretty nice for my usage, pinging the server every 5 minutes | 03:15 |
| Tonio_ | ScottK: kmail is excellent when using disconnected mode | 03:16 |
| ScottK | OK. Understood. Good to know. | 03:16 |
| Tonio_ | ScottK: I don't know concerning the standard imap (aka connected) since I don't use it | 03:16 |
| ScottK | Thanks. | 03:16 |
| Hobbsee | Tonio_: ah right | 03:17 |
| ScottK | There were claims that it wouldn't suck anymore for 3.5.7, but I haven't tested it. | 03:17 |
| Tonio_ | ScottK: btw disconnected is way better when spending lots of time reading my mail in the train hehe :) | 03:17 |
| ScottK | I bet. | 03:17 |
| Tonio_ | ScottK: looks like they've patched lots of things yes, but well I may not be able to test as I spend 40% of my maling time in the train :) | 03:18 |
| Tonio_ | disconnected mode is just de facto the mode I need | 03:18 |
| Tonio_ | Hobbsee: have 3 minutes to review this please ? ;) | 03:18 |
| ScottK | Makes sense. | 03:18 |
| Tonio_ | http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=6286 | 03:18 |
| ScottK | Of course, patched lots of things may or may not get you all the way to doesn't suck. | 03:19 |
| Tonio_ | ScottK: sure, anyone testing giving his opinion would be nice | 03:19 |
| ScottK | Figure out if Kmail IMAP still sucks -> TODO | 03:20 |
| ScottK | Got it. | 03:21 |
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| _StefanS_ | Riddell: that was quite a kde4 upload ;) | 03:42 |
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| _StefanS_ | Tonio_: it iterates through all the kbytes now, just need to memcpy to the buffer, which will be sent to putFile(). | 03:47 |
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| Tonio_ | _StefanS_: great :) | 04:11 |
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| Hobbsee | uh oh. meeting in 6 hours. | 04:57 |
| mhb | Hobbsee: shouldn't you be sleeping now so you can wake up for the meeting? :o) | 04:58 |
| Hobbsee | mhb: yeah, but i had to deal with motu blowing up and such | 04:59 |
| === Hobbsee is really, really tired at the moment | ||
| === ScottK appreciates Hobbsee dealing too. | ||
| Riddell | motu blew up? | 05:01 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: Kmos | 05:02 |
| ScottK | Ugh. | 05:02 |
| ScottK | Riddell: It looks to me like opensus just published an update for CVE-2007-3388 which affects qt3. mitre.org doesn't list it yet: http://www.cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvename.cgi?name=2007-3388 - Do you want the suse announcement? | 05:12 |
| ubotu | ** RESERVED ** This candidate has been reserved by an organization or individual that will use it when announcing a new security problem. When the candidate has been publicized, the details for this candidate will be provided. (http://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvename.cgi?name=CVE-2007-3388) | 05:12 |
| ScottK | It's got the words "execute arbitrary code" in it. | 05:12 |
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| Riddell | ScottK: presumably this one http://trolltech.com/company/newsroom/announcements/press.2007-07-27.7503755960 ? | 05:13 |
| === ScottK looks | ||
| Riddell | yes | 05:13 |
| ScottK | What address is best? | 05:13 |
| Riddell | address? | 05:13 |
| ScottK | Email address. | 05:13 |
| Hobbsee | ScottK: i'd suggest you give norsetto some of 'apt-cache unmet -i | grep Package''s that look sane to fix. | 05:14 |
| ScottK | OK. | 05:14 |
| ScottK | Or yes, it's the same? | 05:14 |
| === Hobbsee has done so, in -devel. please help him :) | ||
| Riddell | what am I being e-mailed? | 05:14 |
| ScottK | I thought your yes was a response to should I send you the opensuse announcement. | 05:14 |
| ScottK | I'm guessing that was wrong. | 05:14 |
| ScottK | It was yes, it's the same... | 05:14 |
| Riddell | it waw | 05:15 |
| Riddell | was | 05:15 |
| ScottK | OK. Well just wanted to make sure you knew. | 05:16 |
| Riddell | you either need to convince kees to prioritise it above the other security stuff he's doing, or wait for me to finnish with kde 4 and get on to it | 05:16 |
| ScottK | No problem. Just wanted to make sure it hadn't been missed. | 05:17 |
| Riddell | I'm really looking forward to compiling and testing 8 qts :) | 05:18 |
| ScottK | I'm sure. | 05:18 |
| === Hobbsee severely doubts that she'll make this meeting | ||
| Hobbsee | as in, if i do, i'm likely not go;ing to be coherant | 05:32 |
| === n8k99 recommends sleeping on the rare occaision | ||
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| Hobbsee | heh | 05:42 |
| === Hobbsee is heading in that direction | ||
| Riddell | need a wakeup call? | 05:46 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: i seriously dont think i'd be coherant enough even for that | 05:47 |
| Riddell | fair enough | 05:47 |
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| nixternal | are we ready for some meeting love today? | 07:06 |
| fdoving | what time is the meeting? | 07:07 |
| === fdoving checks topic. | ||
| fdoving | in 4 hours. | 07:08 |
| nixternal | ya | 07:08 |
| nixternal | hehe | 07:08 |
| nixternal | Tonio_: do you have any idea on how to properly relibtoolize the kplayer package? that is all I am working on right now in order to get it sponsored into Debian | 07:09 |
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| bddebian | Heya | 07:16 |
| fdoving | hi bddebian. | 07:18 |
| bddebian | Hello fdoving | 07:18 |
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| Tonio_ | nixternal: what is the problem with this ? | 07:25 |
| nixternal | all of the lib files in the kplayer deb | 07:25 |
| nixternal | man, I just realised that this latest release is GPLv3 | 07:25 |
| Tonio_ | nixternal: yes but what is the problem with the libs ? | 07:28 |
| nixternal | none that I know of..I was just told by a DD that it needs to be relibtoolized | 07:28 |
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| Riddell | nixternal: ! | 07:30 |
| Riddell | nixternal: of kplayer? | 07:30 |
| nixternal | uh oh | 07:30 |
| nixternal | Riddell: yes | 07:30 |
| Riddell | nixternal: well it's not distributable then, Qt being GPL 2 only | 07:31 |
| nixternal | ya, that is why I just said the part about just realising that | 07:31 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: why relibtoolizing something as long as it builds, works and is nice ? | 07:31 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: argh, I didn't figure out this, indeed..... | 07:32 |
| nixternal | Tonio_: I would like to know the same for future references | 07:32 |
| nixternal | hehe | 07:32 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: dunno, you'd have to ask whoever wanted it | 07:32 |
| Riddell | debian qt-kde packagers like to keep their .diff.gz clean of anything outside debian/ | 07:32 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: means no buildprep for example... | 07:33 |
| Riddell | means you run buildprep and put the diff into a patch | 07:33 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: in a certain way that's good, since that helps for easy package update | 07:33 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: stop me if I'm wrong, but is it really impossible to redistribute a gpl3 app using gpl2/only code ? | 07:35 |
| ScottK | According to GNU it is. | 07:35 |
| Riddell | it is impossible | 07:35 |
| Tonio_ | grmpf, how stupid..... | 07:36 |
| nixternal | yup | 07:36 |
| Tonio_ | nixternal: e should ping upstream about that.... | 07:36 |
| Riddell | of trolltech for not updating to gpl 3? | 07:36 |
| nixternal | I read the RMS talk about how they are incompatible | 07:36 |
| === ScottK has gotten in enough trouble already and will just stay quiet this time around. | ||
| nixternal | Riddell: no, for it being imcompatible | 07:36 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: nope, of the next version of the licence beeing uncompatible with the previous one...... | 07:36 |
| nixternal | ya, I can speeel | 07:36 |
| Riddell | that's sort of the point of it | 07:36 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: but that would be possible with some "gpl v2 or higher" code right ? | 07:37 |
| fdoving | stupid gpl3. | 07:37 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: sure, it's just qt that's the blocker | 07:37 |
| Riddell | nothing stupid about gpl 3 that I've noticed | 07:38 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: yes, but it means that atm, any qt or kde based gpl3 application is not distribuable | 07:38 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: because it has 2 different FREE licences that conflict, both licences coming from the same fundation ? | 07:38 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: that's one of the most stupid things ever..... | 07:39 |
| Riddell | choosing a licence which makes your app undistributable is somewhat daft | 07:40 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: the guy probably didn't knew that | 07:40 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: but I'll have to ping him then.... | 07:40 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: well whoever is the fault, this is just a stupid situation.... ;) | 07:41 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: I'll ping upstream toonight on that point | 07:42 |
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| Tonio_ | Riddell: one question (maybe stupid) come to my mind.... | 07:46 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: how can a kde-app be licenced "gpl v2 or at your option any later version" if qt iv v2 only and v3 uncompatible ? | 07:46 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: doesn't make sense to me.... | 07:47 |
| nixternal | Tonio_: I emailed kiriuja about it. I don't blame him/her if they want to keep it GPLv3..we need more people pushing for the change honestly..and I hate this incompatibility issue | 07:47 |
| Riddell | so that we don't have to re-licence all of KDE when qt becomes gpl 3 happy | 07:47 |
| Riddell | not all of KDE is "or later" though alas | 07:47 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: okay then it makes sense :) didn't thought about the fact qt might change :) | 07:48 |
| Tonio_ | nixternal: I don't blame him at all, I just think that making the 2 licences uncompatible will oblige people to switch one day if they want to make their software distribuable | 07:49 |
| Tonio_ | nixternal: same thing microsoft does with incompatibility to oblige people to upgrade their softwares | 07:49 |
| Tonio_ | nixternal: same thing I hate | 07:49 |
| nixternal | ya | 07:49 |
| === ScottK notes that the kernel is v2 only and extremely likely to stay that way, so it has to stop somewhere. | ||
| nixternal | ya, that kind of kills a lot of things as well | 07:50 |
| Tonio_ | nixternal: where is the "ability to choose" when to make a distribuable software, you have to use the licence that is choosen for you in the first place ? | 07:50 |
| nixternal | so no v3 kernel modules, you can't link to v2 stuff | 07:50 |
| nixternal | Tonio_: when you find that answer, let me know :) | 07:50 |
| Tonio_ | nixternal: so stupid........ | 07:51 |
| nixternal | that it is | 07:52 |
| Tonio_ | okay so let's comment on revu so that people don't waste their time on it..... | 07:52 |
| nixternal | hehe | 07:53 |
| nixternal | if only I read the last line of the changelog for KPlayer, it states "that all versions from this point on will be GPLv3" | 07:54 |
| Riddell | nixternal: linux modules would have to be gpl 2 or gpl2 or later | 07:54 |
| Riddell | same as KDE | 07:54 |
| nixternal | ahh | 07:54 |
| nixternal | so if it has the "gpl2 or later" then it is fine? | 07:54 |
| Riddell | sure | 07:55 |
| nixternal | gotcha..and Qt is gpl2 only, no "later" clause | 07:55 |
| ScottK | Yep | 07:55 |
| ScottK | As is a lot of stuff. | 07:55 |
| Tonio_ | okay let's go to lunch, brb for the meeting | 07:55 |
| nixternal | I am glad I just learned that...I have been slowly working on an app, top secret, that was planned for GPLv3 | 07:56 |
| nixternal | haha | 07:56 |
| nixternal | lunch time! | 07:56 |
| nixternal | ScottK is buying | 07:56 |
| ScottK | Sorry, not lunch time here. | 07:56 |
| nixternal | ya, 2pm there | 07:56 |
| nixternal | Riddell: I see you are rocking on the KDE 4 packages btw...I hadn't even realised the x.92 release until the commit messages this morning | 07:57 |
| Riddell | it hasn't been announced yet | 07:57 |
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| nixternal | I didn't even realise it was time for that to even happen | 07:57 |
| nixternal | man, time is flying | 07:57 |
| Riddell | it's a pretty crappy beta to be honest | 07:58 |
| nixternal | that stinks | 07:58 |
| nixternal | no major changes since the last release? | 07:58 |
| Riddell | probably, but it all crashes | 07:59 |
| nixternal | ouch | 07:59 |
| nixternal | I have to admit, my SVN copy has been rocking...I am trying to get all of the effects working because I am giving a KDE 4 talk in a couple of weeks at IIT | 07:59 |
| nixternal | and the more bling, the more Gnome to KDE converters I can get when October rolls around | 08:00 |
| nixternal | :) | 08:00 |
| Riddell | optimism, that's what we want :) | 08:04 |
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| _StefanS_ | Tonio_: hey.. it works ;) | 08:17 |
| _StefanS_ | Tonio_: got it worked some hours ago, but had to attend to the family. | 08:17 |
| _StefanS_ | Tonio_: first I thought it didn't work at all, but I forgot how slow bluetooth is ;) | 08:18 |
| _StefanS_ | Tonio_: the patch is in your mail. | 08:26 |
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| mhb | hmm, so the edubuntu folks have only one hour for the meeting? | 08:46 |
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| Tonio_ | _StefanS_: you rock :) | 08:52 |
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| nixternal | we have a little bit of a problem | 09:11 |
| nixternal | our meetin is at 21:00 UTC, and the Edubuntu meeting is at 20:00 UTC | 09:11 |
| nixternal | @schedule | 09:11 |
| ubotu | Schedule for Etc/UTC: 01 Aug 20:00: Edubuntu | 01 Aug 21:00: Kubuntu Developers | 02 Aug 20:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 07 Aug 15:00: Kernel Team | 08 Aug 12:00: Edubuntu | 09 Aug 15:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 09:11 |
| nixternal | typically the Edubuntu meetings don't last all that long, so I don't think a delay will be all that big of a deal | 09:12 |
| _StefanS_ | anyone got the highlights from last nights meeting? | 09:14 |
| _StefanS_ | Tonio_: thanks :) | 09:15 |
| mhb | nixternal: that's what I said few minutes ago :o) | 09:16 |
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| manchicken | Why doesn't kopete have the ability to ignore users? | 10:19 |
| manchicken | that's so irritating. | 10:19 |
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| prisca_ | i just installed kde4-dev and configured kdm to show kde4 in the list but when i choose it and login i get kicked back to login screen | 10:32 |
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| Riddell | prisca_: did you add the three export lines? | 10:33 |
| prisca_ | yes | 10:33 |
| Riddell | prisca_: look at the .xsession-errors | 10:35 |
| prisca_ | ok | 10:37 |
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| nixternal | Kubuntu needs a "beach" theme | 10:38 |
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| prisca_ | kdecore (KLibLoader): WARNING: KLibrary: /usr/lib/firefox/plugins/libunixprintplugin.so: undefined symbol: NP_GetValue | 10:43 |
| prisca_ | thats probably not the right error line | 10:45 |
| ryanakca | meeting in 5 minutes? | 10:53 |
| mhb | ryanakca: it's delayed until the edubuntu folks finish | 10:55 |
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| nixternal | haha, apachelogger what are you getting chears for? | 10:57 |
| apachelogger | nixternal: membership :D | 10:57 |
| nixternal | ahhh | 10:57 |
| nixternal | didn't see you name on the list | 10:57 |
| apachelogger | Harald Sitter (apachelogger) candidates for Kubuntu-members [WWW] https://wiki.kubuntu.org/HaraldSitter [WWW] https://launchpad.net/~apachelogger | 10:57 |
| nixternal | oh, there it is | 10:57 |
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| apachelogger | very well hidden :P | 10:57 |
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| Riddell | ** kubuntu meeting in #ubuntu-meeting | 11:00 |
| Riddell | kwwii: ping | 11:03 |
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| ScottK | Tonio_: The big problem right now for backporting clamav into Dapper/Edgy (Feisty is in good shape) is testing and updating the rdepends. | 11:43 |
| ScottK | Tonio_: On -updates, we've been getting good work done in -security for Feisty, but Dapper/Edgy are still roadblocked by an ancient base clamav version. | 11:45 |
| ScottK | Not sure how to fix that. | 11:45 |
| elcuco | Riddell: is that meeting over? | 11:51 |
| Riddell | elcuco: nope | 11:51 |
| elcuco | sweet, btw, where can i get the drupal theme used on the main site? | 11:52 |
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