[12:20] ryanakca: I was going to say semantik but never mind [12:22] kwwii: ok [12:22] DaSkreech: okies :) [12:22] It's a KDE4 app [12:22] yeah, looks cool, from what I see on kde-apps :) [12:24] Yeah It's just kdissert ++ [12:24] !info kdissert [12:24] !info semantik [12:24] kdissert: mindmapping tool. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.0.6.c-2ubuntu1 (feisty), package size 895 kB, installed size 2668 kB [12:24] Package semantik does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas [12:24] ahh, I need to map my mind...I am always losing it === czessi_ [n=Czessi@dslb-088-073-049-152.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:49] man, kpdf SUCKS [12:50] almost fscked up the printing of CD's due to it's lack of decent anti-aliasing [12:51] libpoppler sucks for pritning, xpdf is much better. there is a bug-report somewhere. 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The pointy-clicky Vista lover has arrived! He's rumoured to be giving out free money, too! [09:12] <_StefanS_> morning [09:21] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: hey, you up for some hacking ? :) === Knightlust [n=Dax@ubuntu/member/knightlust] has joined #kubuntu-devel [09:27] _StefanS_: yup [09:27] _StefanS_: kdebluztooth works :) [09:28] _StefanS_: http://ubuntu.tonio.homelinux.org [09:28] _StefanS_: please test [09:28] everything is just fine with me [09:28] except uploading a file [09:30] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: sweet [09:31] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: yes !! I see my mouse nmow [09:31] <_StefanS_> now [09:31] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: I see the .service files are in place ;) [09:31] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: and /usr/lib/bluetoothd-input|serial as well [09:32] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: want me to dig into the file upload thingy? === hunger_t [n=tobias@pd95b0676.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel [09:34] _StefanS_: everything is done :) [09:34] _StefanS_: just dist-upgrade using my repo and that'll work [09:34] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: also file file upload? [09:34] nope, not yet..... [09:34] would be nice to investigate on that point [09:35] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: well that was what I meant :) "want me to dig into the file upload thingy?" [09:35] _StefanS_: yeah I know.... === Tonio_ needs both a cigarette and a strong french coffee [09:36] brb, awaken this time :) [09:36] <_StefanS_> gotta reboot === Nightrose [n=lydia@port-87-234-149-196.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === _StefanS_ [n=sfs@cpe.atm2-0-90156.0x5734b54a.naenxx14.customer.tele.dk] has joined #kubuntu-devel [09:52] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: do you know any way to change the steps for the volume up/down in kmilo ? === hunger_t is now known as hunger === stdin [i=stdin@unaffiliated/binary2k2] has joined #kubuntu-devel === rbrunhuber [n=rbrunhub@dslb-084-057-039-119.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Tm_P [i=tm_travo@kde/developer/jkekkonen] has joined #kubuntu-devel === siretart [i=siretart@ubuntu/member/siretart] has joined #kubuntu-devel [10:06] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: have you tried to browse your phone's directories, and click the "Up" icon in konqueror? the path doesn't work correctly [10:08] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: must be something with konqueror [10:11] _StefanS_: that worked with obex:/ [10:11] _StefanS_: looks like obex2:/ needs love :) [10:11] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: probably ;) [10:11] _StefanS_: you can compare with the code of actual kdebluetooth version [10:11] _StefanS_: might find interesting things in the code to improve the second version [10:12] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: right, what actual kdebluetooth version do you mean ? [10:12] _StefanS_: the on in the repos [10:12] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: kde's ? [10:12] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: or ubuntu? [10:12] _StefanS_: 0.99-beta2 [10:12] _StefanS_: ubuntu [10:13] _StefanS_: I'm sure we can get it to work pretty easilly [10:13] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: right [10:13] _StefanS_: eventually Riddell can commit to the kde svn branch btw [10:13] s/we/you :) [10:13] <_StefanS_> :) [10:13] unfortunatelly I can only package and test [10:14] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: what do you mean ? havent you got gutsy installed? [10:14] yes, but gutsy doesn't have the latest kdebluetooth in the repos [10:14] <_StefanS_> nope, thats right. [10:14] http://packages.ubuntu.com/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=kdebluetooth&searchon=names&subword=1&version=gutsy&release=all [10:14] <_StefanS_> got it now [10:14] _StefanS_: I need to write a MIR for this [10:15] will do that right now === marseillai [n=mars@ubuntu/member/marseillai] has joined #kubuntu-devel [10:15] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: do you know where the obex/obex2 code is in the package? [10:15] <_StefanS_> ah got it. [10:17] :) [10:17] _StefanS_: I negociated a bit and we'll probably release with hidd enabled [10:18] _StefanS_: that's usefull for autoreconnect, as the kdebluetooth frontend just replaces the hidd search [10:18] _StefanS_: I tested disconnection and reconnection, works perfectly graphically btw, which is very good for us [10:19] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: hidd: sounds good. I have it disabled now, and mouse works anyways. [10:19] _StefanS_: yes but you had to connect it right ? [10:19] _StefanS_: did it work just while booting [10:20] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: yep, it asked me when I logged in and turned on the mouse [10:20] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: I had to accept the connection, and then it worked. [10:20] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: (I dialog asked me..) [10:20] it asked you ? col :) [10:20] <_StefanS_> I/a [10:20] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: yep [10:20] _StefanS_: with hidd enabled, you shouldn't have to accept [10:20] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: well I disabled hidd just to test what you said yesterday :) [10:21] _StefanS_: requires testing to be sure that works, if it doesn't, no need to enable hid by default [10:21] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: and it worked well without [10:21] _StefanS_: how about rebooting with hidd enabled ? will it autoreconnect the mouse ? [10:21] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: yep [10:21] _StefanS_: hidd is just for autoreconnection afaik, the dbus thing just avoids using hidd cli as I said [10:21] _StefanS_: oki great [10:22] _StefanS_: so we need hidd enabled by default [10:22] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: just to recap... I sorta tested the other way around, so first with HIDD = enabled, and it just worked with the mouse. Second I disabled HIDD, and was asked to verify that I indeed wanted to connect the mouse [10:23] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: yes, enabling HIDD would be alot easier for the users. It just "works". [10:23] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: I will look at that obex/obex2 thing [10:24] _StefanS_: super, you rock :) [10:24] Hobbsee: ping ? [10:24] <_StefanS_> :) [10:24] Tonio_: semi-pong === stdin contemplates the meaning of "semi-pong" [10:24] Hobbsee: I just realised I promissed someone to get kplayer in the archives for gutsy :) I'm just doing the packaging, will you have some time today to review ? [10:25] Tonio_: perhaps. unsure. i'm going out in a minute [10:25] stdin: meaning "i'm partially here" [10:26] Hobbsee: oki ;) [10:26] like being out of shift with the space-time continuum ? [10:26] <_StefanS_> stdin: where's stderr? [10:26] _StefanS_: off sick [10:26] :) [10:26] <_StefanS_> :) [10:27] <_StefanS_> touch [10:30] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: I have a feisty laptop around, I think I know what is causing it [10:32] _StefanS_: great [10:33] _StefanS_: talking about the "up" thing or the 32KB thing ? [10:33] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: up thing at the moment. [10:33] _StefanS_: k [10:33] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: @bluetooth .. [10:33] <_StefanS_> obex://[00:1c:35:4f:0a:45] :10/Card memory vs. obex2://00:1c:35:4f:0a:45@bluetooth:10/Card memory [10:34] hum interesting [10:34] <_StefanS_> I find it funny as well, that the [] is removed also.. that part seems to work though [10:36] hum that kplayer is just so nice......... incredible === kwwii_away [n=kwwii@p54957FCD.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [10:41] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: I just sent you a mail.. check out that debug [10:41] oki [10:41] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: I think it just cant get the source file filesize actually [10:42] hum oki but why is that required to upload the file ? [10:43] _StefanS_: ho right, the file is read to be 32KB [10:43] <_StefanS_> :) [10:43] how stupid..... [10:44] _StefanS_: I suspect that's not that hard to fix right [10:44] ? [10:44] <_StefanS_> :) right [10:44] <_StefanS_> I' will post back when I find something [10:44] _StefanS_: by analogy with sql, I just suspect this is a matter of buffer definition or something ? [10:45] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: I'm not sure yet [10:45] k [10:45] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: actually I believe a system call would reveal its correct size for putFile() [10:46] nixternal: ping ? [10:47] _StefanS_: oki :) [10:47] nixternal: I just repackaged kplayer for revu [10:47] nixternal: didn't see anything in debian yet, so I though that due to freezes approaching, it would be nice to have something packaged.... [10:48] nixternal: I didn't split the package at all, as only one backend is compatible, so I didn't see any need of package splitting [10:48] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: thats just goofy... they miss the code for determining the filesize completely. [10:48] _StefanS_: mouarf ;) [10:48] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: looking at the download thing, its all there. [10:48] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: getFile() [10:48] _StefanS_: how stupid......... [10:53] _StefanS_: do they test what they code sometimes ? :) [10:54] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: well they surely havent tested this. [11:08] nixternal: just looked at the comments on the revu page for kplayer.... WTF is that ? [11:08] Reasons for non-advocation: [11:09] 4) .desktop file shouldnt use a type extension for the icon [11:09] 1) The kplayer binary still has 51% (4MB) in /usr/share [11:09] nixternal: do they smoke ? [11:09] nixternal: should we recode every app we package ? [11:09] the funny thing is this : [11:09] 2) Consider using debian/kplayer.manpages instead of DEB_INSTALL_MANPAGES_kplayer := debian/kplayer.1 in debian/rules [11:10] -> consider doing the way I like and not the way you like, despite both ways are perfectly correct and work..... [11:11] so they expect we'll patch the build system to change the icon place, and then patch desktop files [11:11] just for absolutly no change to the user, and nothing anyone will figure out ? that's just ridiculous.... [11:13] we should drop OOo from the repos then, it doesn't have icons in pixmaps too........... [11:15] desktop files shouldn't have the icon name extension in them, that is a bug [11:15] I know, but I wouldn't reject an upload for this, honnestly..... [11:15] saving 4MB*no-of-arches in the archives is a good idea [11:15] I would note it and ask to ping upstream.... [11:16] 2 is daft [11:16] Riddell: I don't say the comments are bad, I just say than rejecting for this is stupid... [11:16] Riddell: we can drop 90% of packages in the archives then [11:17] Riddell: and concerning 1) except splitting the doc, where is the difference ? [11:18] Riddell: split to have datas in -common package, and make kplayer package depends on kplayer-common [11:18] doesn't make any difference to me..... [11:18] splitting the doc, I'd say why not, even if I don't see the need of this except for defualt inclusion to keep space on the cd.... [11:19] Riddell: btw, those are good comments, but , imho, strange reasons for rejecting a package..... [11:20] Riddell: concerning the doc splitting, that also can be annoying since most people won't figure out the doc package, and miss the documentation... [11:20] splitting kplayer into 3 packages? - that sounds insane. isn't it just that little player-thing? [11:20] I'd have a -data package and make the main one depend on it [11:21] this is just revu right? it's not being rejected it's being reviewed [11:21] Riddell: I see your point in keeping 4mb datas in the archives, of course, but well, to many splitting makes dealing with packages supercomplex for the users.... [11:22] Riddell: yes I know, but well, a too complex accepting policy is not always good... [11:22] look at the last comment... [11:23] Riddell: "forget this, I'll get the package in debian, and it'll be sync in ubuntu".... [11:23] fdoving: yeah it is just a little player..... [11:23] fdoving: I wouldn't split this one, except to go in main, as we need to take care of the size used on the cd [11:24] fdoving: if we start splitting every package to keep space in the archives, we will never see the end..... and dealing with packages will become a nightmare for the users [11:24] fdoving: lots of them already complain that for example typing openoffice in adept gives 200 results, what should they install then ? === neversfelde|mobi [n=neversfe@82.113.121.1] has joined #kubuntu-devel [11:26] debian? :) [11:26] use adept-installer [11:28] Riddell: not everything is in it [11:28] Riddell: and btw how do you install an app documentation with adept-installer ? [11:28] Riddell: youhave to do it with adept..... that's the problem [11:29] Riddell: and I don't think missing the documentation of an installed application is good [11:29] I've never suggested doing that [11:29] Riddell: I know, but that comes with the idea of splitting the package to keep space in the archives [11:30] Riddell: that's a consequence [11:30] no it's not, as I said you make a -data package and make the full package depend on it [11:30] but yeah, that can be done for icons and things like that [11:30] Riddell: that is indeed more acceptable [11:31] however, the true lesson is that if nobody sane bothers with revu then you'll end up with perniquerty people only reviewing stuff [11:33] Riddell: true === LongPointyStick is now known as Hobbsee [11:44] apachelogger_: khalkhiapplet uploaded === Tonio_ [n=tonio@mst45-2-82-242-83-37.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Knightlust [n=Dax@203.87.200.214] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Hobbsee is now known as LongPointyStick [12:14] Riddell: thx === apachelogger_ is now known as apachelogger === TheInfinity [n=TheInfin@pD950F29B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:19] oh jings, they added an embedded terminal to dolphin === serzholino [n=serzh@fw.zaporizhstal.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:23] apachelogger: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=6226 kopete-otr uploaded [12:26] apachelogger: what's the status of kopete-thinklight ? === apachelogger checks [12:28] Riddell: looking for tester of new permission setting included by upstream, and waiting for upstream to include a COPYING.LIB [12:47] Riddell: great, I use the embedded terminal a lot [12:47] Riddell: one thing I'd like to see in kubuntu and dolphin is the little zoom effect I added to konq [12:48] Riddell: I'll try to adapt the patch === Ash-Fox [i=UNKNOWN@fgd182.internetdsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #Kubuntu-devel [12:52] but dolphin was supposed to be simple - here we go with the geek-ificaiton of the newest attempts to fix things === kwwii_away is now known as kwwii [12:54] exactly [12:59] kwwii, Riddell: true, but well, OSX is meant to be simple, without geek-ification, and has the same effect [12:59] the effect is not geeky, just smooth imho :) [12:59] it doesn't have a terminal embedded in Finder! [12:59] having a built in terminal is simply geeky [12:59] there is no need for it [12:59] kwwii: ho, the terminal........ yeah I can agree on that point [01:00] the zoom effect is a nice idea ;-) [01:02] kwwii: I just hope patching dolphin for this will not be too complicated [01:02] Riddell: we didn't resolve the problem if dolphin and ark..... I'll have a look on that point [01:02] Riddell: also, how can a user switch back to konq by default ? [01:05] by changing the inode/directory mimetype preference (or removing the file that changes it in k-d-s) [01:16] Riddell: not very friendly.... [01:17] Riddell: would be nice to be able to use the component chooser in systemsettings, but it might be too late to code this... [01:17] Riddell: would you have some time for a quick revu ? [01:18] what's to revu? [01:21] Riddell: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=6284 [01:21] I think the package is ready this time [01:21] about nixternal comment, I'll of course sync once the package is in debian, but I'd like to have it ready for gutsy [01:28] Tonio_: a couple of comments (of which the first is the blocker) http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=6284 [01:30] Riddell: I was sure you were about to say that hehe :) [01:31] Riddell: what about elmo said the other day ? [01:31] did that only concern the debian/copyright or also the tarball ? [01:34] Tonio_: which part of what elmo said [01:34] Tonio_: you don't need all copyright holders, but I would say you need all licences mentioned in debian/copyright [01:34] and at the least the licence text needs to be included in the tar [01:35] hum oki === neversfelde|mobi [n=neversfe@82.113.106.1] has joined #kubuntu-devel === never|mobi [n=neversfe@82.113.106.1] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:52] good afternoon === claydoh [n=claydoh@66-252-59-116.dyn-adsl.midmaine.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:15] Riddell: should be okay this time [02:15] Riddell: also concerning the 2 space for the homepage === elcuco [n=elcuco@89.0.251.223.dynamic.barak-online.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === apachelogger_ [n=me@N882P012.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:27] Riddell: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=6284 [02:28] apachelogger: seen my comments on your kio-sysinfo package? [02:28] Riddell: discovered a nasty bug in dolphin..... [02:28] Riddell: did you play with the "split" option ? [02:28] just ugly [02:28] split seems to work === Arby [n=richard@shiny.york.ac.uk] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:29] but no icon previews in dolphin sucks === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@c-71-225-164-164.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:39] Riddell: works, but isn't the second window position completly stupid ? [02:39] Riddell: yes, taht sucks, I agree [02:39] it makes the information pane wider [02:40] Riddell: that's it [02:40] Riddell: and you have to resize manually everytime you activate this === Hobbsee waves === sebas waves back. [02:40] also you can only compress folders, not files............... [02:40] :) [02:41] Riddell: honnestly, I start wondering if switching to dolphin is a good idea..... [02:41] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: I'm still onto that readData() thing of bluetooth.. I'm getting closer :) [02:41] Riddell: lots of users will probably complain [02:41] _StefanS_: you rock :) [02:41] Riddell: dolphin in kde4 seems great, but the kde3 version seems a bit limited for a all day long usage, no ? [02:42] No :-) [02:42] sebas: talking about kde3 right ? :) [02:42] (But kde4's dolphin is cooler, that's right) [02:42] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: its fast! [02:42] Yes. I'm using it for months already [02:42] Tonio_: a couple of comments, nothing major http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=6286 [02:42] sebas: well, how do you for example compress a big text file with it ? === _StefanS_ hopes the flickering is going to disappear in kde4 [02:43] Tonio_: I don't, usually. When I have to, it's usually in kmail, and there's the tickbox [02:43] Riddell: thanks, I'll fix concerning the second point [02:43] So, I've got limited usecases, but then it works fine for me. [02:43] Riddell: looks like a lot of package don't use capitalized "homepage" [02:44] sebas: my point is that I'm really unsure what it'll be for most people usage... [02:45] Tonio_: ok === claydoh [n=claydoh@66-252-59-116.dyn-adsl.midmaine.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:47] Tonio_: Frankly, the autoresizing listview makes up for it for me at least. === apachelogger_ is now known as apachelogger [02:48] sebas: using the split thing ? [02:48] No, normal view [02:48] Riddell: how to know what are the licences for admin/ files ? [02:49] No horizontal scrollbars like in konqueror, that annoyed the shit out of me. [02:49] Tonio_: well look at them, but you can get away with just saying "some files are LGPL" [02:49] Riddell: only acinclude.m4.in clearly has a licence in the code [02:50] also doxygen.sh has a licence, and that's it..... [02:50] am_edit has a strange licence too [02:50] that admin/ content really bores me today :) [02:51] hum I should have grep "general" and not gpl hehe :) [02:52] but only one seems to be lgpl at least [02:52] don't list specific files, that way disaster looms [02:54] Riddell: no of course, I just wanted to do that for me :) === rbrunhuber [n=Miranda@highway.mvi.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:54] to know about those licences in admin/ [02:54] they caused me so many "NO" recently that I want to make it clear ;) [02:56] hum.. my maxtor 1touch usb-disk died yesterday. i wonder if that has anything to do with the sync/async settings. it couldn't handle backups every night for more than 3 years. ohwell. [02:57] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: now I can write 64kb ! thats twice as good :) [02:57] _StefanS_: LOL [02:58] <_StefanS_> hehe [02:58] Tonio_: you can copy over the servicemenus from konq to dolphin. [02:58] <_StefanS_> fdoving: let me handle all the copying .. as long as it isn't above 64 kb :) [02:59] <_StefanS_> well back to hacking again .. [02:59] _StefanS_: sure thing :) [03:04] fdoving: it is not a servicemenu for konq, but a lib [03:04] fdoving: dolphin kde3 isn't compatible with konqueror plugins, that's my problem with it [03:05] Tonio_: most things can be done with servicemenus. [03:05] fdoving: well I tried, but ark is hardly reproducible [03:06] fdoving: especially as the content of the context menu isn't static with it === serzholino [n=serzh@fw.zaporizhstal.com] has left #kubuntu-devel ["Konversation] === Hobbsee points to the meeting tomorrow [03:08] fdoving: honnestly, I'm playing with dolphin for a few days now and I start wondering if it is ready to be used as default for everyone.... [03:08] Hobbsee: isn't the meeting today ? [03:08] Tonio_: for you [03:08] Tonio_: my today only lasts for another 52 mins [03:08] ah :o) [03:08] Hobbsee: hehe oki :) [03:09] fdoving: especially since it'll be kinda hard to switch back to konq as default for noobs..... [03:10] Hobbsee: have you worked on that "kubuntu-kde4" meta package? [03:10] mhb: nope! [03:10] fdoving: don't get me wrong, I'm not against dolphin, as I submitted the idea of dolphin in gutsy, but the more I use it, the more I'm a bit unsure if we're doing the good thing..... === Hobbsee hasnt done much in the last week and a half, ubuntu stated [03:11] Tonio_: i'll second that. it's still a little...well, very different, and missing some stuff [03:11] mhb, Hobbsee should't we wait for kde4 to be out to start the default settings for it ? [03:11] I mean to may things are going to change before the release, and we'll have to undo lots of things if we start now.... [03:12] Hobbsee: very different isn't the problem, immature is an issue :) [03:12] that's wha ti meant [03:12] my brain is fried [03:12] i need more sleep [03:12] Hobbsee: like the bug on spliting windows, the lack of ark integration, of capability to switch back to konqueror, etc.... [03:12] Tonio_: may be, but we'd like to have a metapackage for KDE4, so that users are able to install pre-relase KDE4 easily [03:12] Tonio_: exactly [03:12] You need to use kmail as your mail clieant (for Hobbsee from ubuntu-devel) [03:12] hah [03:13] Tonio_: finding packages like "kdeliba5" or "kde4base" is pretty hard [03:13] mhb: everything should be a dependancy of kde4base, it seems [03:14] mhb: ho sorry you talked about a metapackage, I though you meant starting a defualt settings thing added to a metapackage :) sorry for the stupid comment then [03:14] Hobbsee: As long as one doesn't use IMAP it's very good. (IIRC you use IMAP, so ...) [03:14] still, I'm for a cool-name package like "kubuntu-kde4". It's easier to remember and we can add the default-settings later) [03:14] ScottK: kmail is excellent for imap, but using the disconnected mode [03:14] ScottK: yes, i use imap [03:14] Ah. [03:14] Tonio_: what's the point of disconnected imap? [03:15] Tonio_: Excellent disconnected or excellent when not disconnected? [03:15] Hobbsee: download the all messages every X minutes, like pop === ScottK mistrusts imap generally. [03:15] but doing the sync local/remote the way imap does [03:15] Hobbsee: the only difference is that you are not all day long connected [03:15] Hobbsee: pretty nice for my usage, pinging the server every 5 minutes [03:16] ScottK: kmail is excellent when using disconnected mode [03:16] OK. Understood. Good to know. [03:16] ScottK: I don't know concerning the standard imap (aka connected) since I don't use it [03:16] Thanks. [03:17] Tonio_: ah right [03:17] There were claims that it wouldn't suck anymore for 3.5.7, but I haven't tested it. [03:17] ScottK: btw disconnected is way better when spending lots of time reading my mail in the train hehe :) [03:17] I bet. [03:18] ScottK: looks like they've patched lots of things yes, but well I may not be able to test as I spend 40% of my maling time in the train :) [03:18] disconnected mode is just de facto the mode I need [03:18] Hobbsee: have 3 minutes to review this please ? ;) [03:18] Makes sense. [03:18] http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=6286 [03:19] Of course, patched lots of things may or may not get you all the way to doesn't suck. [03:19] ScottK: sure, anyone testing giving his opinion would be nice [03:20] Figure out if Kmail IMAP still sucks -> TODO [03:21] Got it. === viviersf [n=cain@gw.impilinux.co.za] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:42] <_StefanS_> Riddell: that was quite a kde4 upload ;) === elcuco [n=elcuco@bzq-88-153-142-224.red.bezeqint.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:47] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: it iterates through all the kbytes now, just need to memcpy to the buffer, which will be sent to putFile(). === apokryphos [i=apokryph@unaffiliated/apokryphos] has joined #kubuntu-devel === n8k99 [n=nathan@dsl254-078-190.nyc1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === n8k99 [n=nathan@dsl254-078-190.nyc1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:11] _StefanS_: great :) === J-Unit [n=jdong@STRATTON-TWO-NINETY-NINE.MIT.EDU] has joined #kubuntu-devel === sahin_h [n=ezaz@dsl5400DAB9.pool.t-online.hu] has joined #kubuntu-devel === J-Unit is now known as jmillionator === jmillionator is now known as J-40 === TheInfinity [n=TheInfin@pD950F29B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === BentJ [n=BentJ@port46.ds1-esp.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #kubuntu-devel === soboku1 [n=joey@c-69-243-162-68.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:57] uh oh. meeting in 6 hours. [04:58] Hobbsee: shouldn't you be sleeping now so you can wake up for the meeting? :o) [04:59] mhb: yeah, but i had to deal with motu blowing up and such === Hobbsee is really, really tired at the moment === ScottK appreciates Hobbsee dealing too. [05:01] motu blew up? [05:02] Riddell: Kmos [05:02] Ugh. [05:12] Riddell: It looks to me like opensus just published an update for CVE-2007-3388 which affects qt3. mitre.org doesn't list it yet: http://www.cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvename.cgi?name=2007-3388 - Do you want the suse announcement? [05:12] ** RESERVED ** This candidate has been reserved by an organization or individual that will use it when announcing a new security problem. When the candidate has been publicized, the details for this candidate will be provided. (http://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvename.cgi?name=CVE-2007-3388) [05:12] It's got the words "execute arbitrary code" in it. === J-40 [n=jdong@SIMMONS-FIVE-TWENTY-THREE.MIT.EDU] has joined #kubuntu-devel [05:13] ScottK: presumably this one http://trolltech.com/company/newsroom/announcements/press.2007-07-27.7503755960 ? === ScottK looks [05:13] yes [05:13] What address is best? [05:13] address? [05:13] Email address. [05:14] ScottK: i'd suggest you give norsetto some of 'apt-cache unmet -i | grep Package''s that look sane to fix. [05:14] OK. [05:14] Or yes, it's the same? === Hobbsee has done so, in -devel. please help him :) [05:14] what am I being e-mailed? [05:14] I thought your yes was a response to should I send you the opensuse announcement. [05:14] I'm guessing that was wrong. [05:14] It was yes, it's the same... [05:15] it waw [05:15] was [05:16] OK. Well just wanted to make sure you knew. [05:16] you either need to convince kees to prioritise it above the other security stuff he's doing, or wait for me to finnish with kde 4 and get on to it [05:17] No problem. Just wanted to make sure it hadn't been missed. [05:18] I'm really looking forward to compiling and testing 8 qts :) [05:18] I'm sure. === Hobbsee severely doubts that she'll make this meeting [05:32] as in, if i do, i'm likely not go;ing to be coherant === n8k99 recommends sleeping on the rare occaision === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #kubuntu-devel [05:42] heh === Hobbsee is heading in that direction [05:46] need a wakeup call? [05:47] Riddell: i seriously dont think i'd be coherant enough even for that [05:47] fair enough === J-40 is now known as jdong === marseillai_ [n=mars@AMarseille-156-1-24-133.w90-14.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Stecchino [n=bart@d54C56F83.access.telenet.be] has joined #kubuntu-devel [07:06] are we ready for some meeting love today? [07:07] what time is the meeting? === fdoving checks topic. [07:08] in 4 hours. [07:08] ya [07:08] hehe [07:09] Tonio_: do you have any idea on how to properly relibtoolize the kplayer package? that is all I am working on right now in order to get it sponsored into Debian === Dinofly [n=dinofly@mar92-13-88-165-255-149.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === bddebian [n=bdefrees@63.81.56.182] has joined #kubuntu-devel [07:16] Heya [07:18] hi bddebian. [07:18] Hello fdoving === xerosis [n=kieran@87-194-247-206.bethere.co.uk] has joined #kubuntu-devel === xerosis [n=kieran@87-194-247-206.bethere.co.uk] has joined #kubuntu-devel [07:25] nixternal: what is the problem with this ? [07:25] all of the lib files in the kplayer deb [07:25] man, I just realised that this latest release is GPLv3 [07:28] nixternal: yes but what is the problem with the libs ? [07:28] none that I know of..I was just told by a DD that it needs to be relibtoolized === xerosis [n=kieran@87-194-247-206.bethere.co.uk] has joined #kubuntu-devel [07:30] nixternal: ! [07:30] nixternal: of kplayer? [07:30] uh oh [07:30] Riddell: yes [07:31] nixternal: well it's not distributable then, Qt being GPL 2 only [07:31] ya, that is why I just said the part about just realising that [07:31] Riddell: why relibtoolizing something as long as it builds, works and is nice ? [07:32] Riddell: argh, I didn't figure out this, indeed..... [07:32] Tonio_: I would like to know the same for future references [07:32] hehe [07:32] Tonio_: dunno, you'd have to ask whoever wanted it [07:32] debian qt-kde packagers like to keep their .diff.gz clean of anything outside debian/ [07:33] Riddell: means no buildprep for example... [07:33] means you run buildprep and put the diff into a patch [07:33] Riddell: in a certain way that's good, since that helps for easy package update [07:35] Riddell: stop me if I'm wrong, but is it really impossible to redistribute a gpl3 app using gpl2/only code ? [07:35] According to GNU it is. [07:35] it is impossible [07:36] grmpf, how stupid..... [07:36] yup [07:36] nixternal: e should ping upstream about that.... [07:36] of trolltech for not updating to gpl 3? [07:36] I read the RMS talk about how they are incompatible === ScottK has gotten in enough trouble already and will just stay quiet this time around. [07:36] Riddell: no, for it being imcompatible [07:36] Riddell: nope, of the next version of the licence beeing uncompatible with the previous one...... [07:36] ya, I can speeel [07:36] that's sort of the point of it [07:37] Riddell: but that would be possible with some "gpl v2 or higher" code right ? [07:37] stupid gpl3. [07:37] Tonio_: sure, it's just qt that's the blocker [07:38] nothing stupid about gpl 3 that I've noticed [07:38] Riddell: yes, but it means that atm, any qt or kde based gpl3 application is not distribuable [07:38] Riddell: because it has 2 different FREE licences that conflict, both licences coming from the same fundation ? [07:39] Riddell: that's one of the most stupid things ever..... [07:40] choosing a licence which makes your app undistributable is somewhat daft [07:40] Riddell: the guy probably didn't knew that [07:40] Riddell: but I'll have to ping him then.... [07:41] Riddell: well whoever is the fault, this is just a stupid situation.... ;) [07:42] Riddell: I'll ping upstream toonight on that point === Stecchino_ [n=bart@d54C56F83.access.telenet.be] has joined #kubuntu-devel [07:46] Riddell: one question (maybe stupid) come to my mind.... [07:46] Riddell: how can a kde-app be licenced "gpl v2 or at your option any later version" if qt iv v2 only and v3 uncompatible ? [07:47] Riddell: doesn't make sense to me.... [07:47] Tonio_: I emailed kiriuja about it. I don't blame him/her if they want to keep it GPLv3..we need more people pushing for the change honestly..and I hate this incompatibility issue [07:47] so that we don't have to re-licence all of KDE when qt becomes gpl 3 happy [07:47] not all of KDE is "or later" though alas [07:48] Riddell: okay then it makes sense :) didn't thought about the fact qt might change :) [07:49] nixternal: I don't blame him at all, I just think that making the 2 licences uncompatible will oblige people to switch one day if they want to make their software distribuable [07:49] nixternal: same thing microsoft does with incompatibility to oblige people to upgrade their softwares [07:49] nixternal: same thing I hate [07:49] ya === ScottK notes that the kernel is v2 only and extremely likely to stay that way, so it has to stop somewhere. [07:50] ya, that kind of kills a lot of things as well [07:50] nixternal: where is the "ability to choose" when to make a distribuable software, you have to use the licence that is choosen for you in the first place ? [07:50] so no v3 kernel modules, you can't link to v2 stuff [07:50] Tonio_: when you find that answer, let me know :) [07:51] nixternal: so stupid........ [07:52]