[12:16] <Scorpaen> adept installer - how do i set it to ask me more configure questions during pkg install?
[12:16] <Scorpaen> or is that dpkg?
[12:18] <mrksbrd> ok the sudo apt-get command was easy enough
[12:18] <Semilios> HELLO _
[12:18] <Semilios> Sorry its important
[12:18] <nosredna> stepmanic: hey,sorry,
[12:18] <Semilios> what command starts the install wizard??
[12:18] <zimmo> !support
[12:18] <ubotu> the official ubuntu support channel is #ubuntu. Also see http://ubuntu.com/support and http://ubuntuforums.org
[12:18] <Semilios> I got no INSTALL ICON on the Desktop
[12:18] <nosredna> IRC kicked me off, and then I couldn't get back on..
[12:19] <AhDiCt3D> afk
[12:19] <nicolai_> !patience | Semilios
[12:19] <ubotu> Semilios: The people here are volunteers, your attitude may determine how fast you are helped.  Not everyone is available all the time, likewise not every answer is available instantly. See also http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines
[12:19] <nosredna> stepmanic: I cannot talk via PM.
[12:19] <stepmanic> nosredna: ah ok:)
[12:20] <nicolai_> Semilios: Click the blue K
[12:20] <nosredna> stepmanic: so save that file...
[12:20] <mrksbrd> ok next ?.....I have an intel pro 2200bg wireless card I need to get working.....any ideas genii?????????
[12:20] <stepmanic> well, ive done that^
[12:20] <Semilios> nicolai_: and then?
[12:21] <Scorpaen> dpkg -- how do i get it to ask me more questions during package install? i did it once now i can't remember. i've re-installed
[12:21] <nosredna> stepmanic: ok... then run "sudo chmod a+x /usr/local/bin/startxgl.sh"
[12:21] <nicolai_> Semilios: If you are still using the live-cd the icon should appear somewhere in the menu. Probably in system.
[12:21] <stepmanic> nosredna: done
[12:21] <nicolai_> Semilios: If you have already installed the install icon is no longer there since it isn't necessary
[12:22] <Semilios> nicolai_: its not installed yet
[12:22] <Semilios> found the icon
[12:22] <Semilios> thank you
[12:23] <DaSkreech> mrksbrd: Welcome!
[12:23] <Dragnslcr> Don't suppose anyone here has worked with kvm? When I try to start a virtual machine, it hangs at "Loading..." and uses 100% of one of my CPU cores
[12:23] <nicolai_> Semilios: No problem. I tried the same thing with Dapper
[12:23] <DaSkreech> Semilios: Live CD?
[12:23] <stepmanic> nosredna: now then:P?
[12:24] <DaSkreech> !kvm
[12:24] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about kvm - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:25] <nosredna> stepmanic: ok I have to look for something on my computer
[12:25] <stepmanic> nosredna: sure, ill be here waiting then :)
[12:26] <nosredna> sorry this is taking so long,I'm doing some other things off of my computer
[12:26] <genii> mrksbrd: Looking for a comprehensive tutorial
[12:26] <stepmanic> nosredns: no problem:) just gald to get someone to walk me throu this!
[12:26] <Dragnslcr> DaSkreech- already posted on ubuntuforums.org and I'm in #kvm. No luck yet
[12:27] <mrksbrd> i just need to learn the basic commands an what each is used for
[12:27] <DaSkreech> Dragnslcr: You can ask in #ubuntu as well. It's not a kde issue
[12:27] <Dragnslcr> DaSkreech- yeah, I tried once last night and nobody answered. I might try again
[12:28] <Dragnslcr> Apparently Google likes ubuntuforums.org. Search for "kvm loading hang" and my thread is the fourth result
[12:29] <nosredna> hey everyone.... where is the kdm sessions file found?
[12:30] <genii> mrksbrd: This one is pretty straightforward: http://www.debuntu.org/2006/03/27/9-how-to-ipw2200-getting-intel-pro-wireless-2200-bg-to-work-on-debian-ubuntu
[12:30] <mrksbrd> ok ty
[12:30] <nosredna> never mind
[12:30] <apecat> I have a kubuntu edgy machine (an hp laptop) that has satrted to shut down all the time right after startup
[12:30] <apecat> any known issues?
[12:30] <graft> put your battery back in!
[12:30] <nosredna> stepmanic: ok run this "kdesu kate /etc/X11/sessions/xgl.desktop"
[12:31] <graft> apecat: does it get to boot stage? did you drop it? overheat it?
[12:31] <nosredna> !pastebin
[12:31] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[12:31] <mrksbrd> genii have you ever tried to get an aircard to work on linux?
[12:31] <graft> apecat: does it make weird beeping noises before it shuts down?
[12:31] <stepmanic> nosredna: done
[12:32] <apecat> no, everything's normal. it gets past booting, and i'm (or more accurately, my now hysterical sister x( ) able to log in
[12:32] <nosredna> ok.
[12:33] <apecat> but after a minute or two it shuts down, in a controlled way
[12:33] <genii> mrksbrd: No. I don't use wireless much myself.
[12:33] <apecat> as if i'd run shutdown -h or pressing the kde shutdown button
[12:34] <nosredna> any hotkeys you might have pressed?
[12:34] <apecat> nope
[12:35] <nosredna> stepmanic:  ok, put this in that file http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/32093/
[12:35] <nosredna> without the line #'s ofcourse
[12:35] <nicolai_> apecat: Have you tried using the Live-cd  to see if it is a clean issue?
[12:35] <apecat> hmm, could try
[12:35] <stepmanic> nosredna: done
[12:35] <graft> apecat: is this on battery, or plugged in?
[12:35] <apecat> plugged in
[12:36] <graft> apecat: does ACPI report the battery being plugged in correctly?
[12:36] <stepmanic> nosredna: cant save
[12:36] <JOEYYYYYY> Im new to kubuntu but i just downloaded limewire for linux and its a .deb file. What i install it with.
[12:36] <nosredna> stepmanic: did you run KDESU kate?
[12:36] <stepmanic> ye
[12:36] <graft> JOEYYYYYY: install gtk-gnutella instead, it's much lighter and faster than limewire, it's free software, and it doesn't require java
[12:36] <apecat> graft: how do i check that from a command line?
[12:37] <JOEYYYYYY> ok thanks
[12:37] <graft> apecat: cat /proc/acpi/battery/something
[12:37] <apecat> k
[12:37] <stepmanic> nosredna: Check that you have write access to this file or that enough disk space is available
[12:37] <x_link> Hi..
[12:37] <BluesKaj> JOEYYYYYY, type./ in front of the filename in the terminal
[12:37] <ZombB> Hi everybody!
[12:37] <stepmanic> nosredna: and i have plenty^^
[12:37] <demperor> hi
[12:37] <demperor> wussup
[12:37] <nosredna> stepmanic: yeah,well did you run "kdesu kate <file location>"?
[12:37] <demperor> so why amarok isn't playihg wma files?
[12:37] <x_link> For Windows there is a couple of programs like EasyTune5m Everest, CPU-Z etc. that shows the cpu-clock RAM speed, VCore, fan rpm etc.
[12:38] <demperor> you know those from m$$$$$$
[12:38] <stepmanic> nosredna: yep i did
[12:38] <x_link> Isn't there any program like that for Kubuntu?
[12:38] <BluesKaj> yeah frostwire or whatever it is terrible ...amule is VG
[12:38] <nosredna> stepmanic: you SURE? redo it.
[12:38] <x_link> Anybody?
[12:39] <stepmanic> nosredna: kdesu kate /etc/X11/sessions/xgl.desktop
[12:39] <nosredna> stepmanic: it saves fine for me.....
[12:39] <Daisuke_Ido> x_link: all of that info's in /proc somewhere
[12:39] <JOEYYYYYY> gaft, is it easy installing java for linux?
[12:40] <stepmanic> nosredna: well, dont here.. and that was a copy-paste of what i wrote ><
[12:40] <graft> JOEYYYYYY: i've never found it so, but i haven't tried recently
[12:40] <nosredna> stepmanic: try "sudo vim /etc/X11/sessions/xgl.desktop"
[12:40] <Daisuke_Ido> x_link: cat /proc/cpuinfo
[12:40] <nosredna> then press "i" for insert mode
[12:40] <nosredna> paste that stuff
[12:40] <nosredna> "esc"
[12:41] <nosredna> and then type ":x" then press enter
[12:41] <solarwaver> vzduch have u ever try to install grub?
[12:42] <vzduch> solarwaver: most of the time I let that be handled by the OS installer.. I believe I installed it by hand once
[12:42] <solarwaver> vzduch how do u install it auto?
[12:42] <JOEYYYYYY> Man kunbuntu is nice, my school is making us use fedora.
[12:42] <x_link> Daisuke_Ido: I know that.
[12:42] <x_link> Daisuke_Ido: I want GUI.
[12:43] <vzduch> solarwaver: it just gets installed as the last step in the installer
[12:43] <x_link> That shows the MHz of the RAM etc.
[12:43] <stepmanic> nosredna: nop :\
[12:43] <nosredna> stepmanic: same thing?
[12:43] <solarwaver> of kubuntu?
[12:44] <stepmanic> nosredna: no, nothing happens
[12:44] <Daisuke_Ido> kinfocenter?
[12:44] <nosredna> nothing happens when?
[12:44] <solarwaver> vzduch ok f..k that how i do it inhand mode ?
[12:44] <stepmanic> nosredna: ok gonna try again
[12:46] <graft> wow... i've never seen kinfocenter before
[12:46] <graft> how neat
[12:46] <graft> hmm... how... basic, actually
[12:47] <Daisuke_Ido> graft: yeah, it's just a gui frontend for the info you can get from /proc
[12:47] <stepmanic> nosredna: no i cant save it no mather what i try :s
[12:47] <pedja> anyubody from serbia here?
[12:47] <Morthy> Heh, I've been using Ubuntu for around 6 hours for the first time, and apparently I'm using around 99% of my ram, but everything seems to be running smoothly.. is this normal?
[12:47] <pedja> anybody who can help me with something
[12:48] <stepmanic> nosredna: now it say i should remove the swap-file
[12:48] <graft> Morthy: yep, normal... linux doesn't really do well at reporting memory usage
[12:49] <Morthy> Ah ok, cheers
[12:49] <Morthy> Sysinfo for 'jonathan-desktop': Linux 2.6.20-16-generic running KDE 3.5.6, CPU: Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 3.20GHz at 3200 MHz (6400 bogomips), HD: 180/260GB, RAM: 994/1011MB, 138 proc's, 6.21h up
[12:49] <Morthy> ^^
[12:49] <Pardalz> hello...
[12:49] <Pardalz> i need some help :>
[12:50] <BluesKaj> !ask | pedja, Pardalz
[12:50] <ubotu> pedja, Pardalz: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[12:50] <Pardalz> ?o
[12:50] <Pardalz> :o
[12:50] <Pardalz> ok..
[12:50] <nosredna> stepmanic: what does it say when you try to ":x->enter"?
[12:50] <pedja> well
[12:50] <Pardalz> i dont know how to mount my hd in ubuntu ?>
[12:50] <pedja> i cant connect to #krstarica
[12:50] <pedja> anybody who can help?
[12:51] <Pardalz> ;x
[12:51] <stepmanic> nosredna: nothing at all.. it hangs. and now i cant start it again cause of swap-file
[12:52] <jacob> i am a new user to ubuntu, can somebody teach me how to change my splash window when i log in my account?
[12:52] <Daisuke_Ido> pedja: what network is that on?
[12:52] <BluesKaj> what is #krstarica?
[12:52] <Daisuke_Ido> BluesKaj: not a freenode channel
[12:52] <pedja> irc.krstarica.com
[12:52] <BluesKaj> yeah , no kidding
[12:52] <pedja> or irc.krstrica.net
[12:52] <graft> jacob: your KDE splash window?
[12:53] <Daisuke_Ido> so connect to it
[12:53] <pedja> it is a web site
[12:53] <jacob> graft: well i'm on ubuntu, gnome
[12:53] <Daisuke_Ido> irc.* implies irc server, not website.
[12:53] <graft> jacob: well, you're in #kubuntu, might wanna try #ubuntu, eh
[12:53] <Daisuke_Ido> he's looking to change the gdm splash
[12:53] <BluesKaj> not implies , it means that :)
[12:54] <jacob> graft: i don't find one for ubuntu, that's how i ended up here
[12:54] <graft> even so...
[12:54] <Pardalz> help me plis?
[12:54] <Pardalz> :>
[12:54] <jacob> graft: but let me double check
[12:54] <Daisuke_Ido> jacob: #ubuntu
[12:55] <jacob> graft: there's no ubuntu or i don't know how to do it
[12:55] <nosredna> stepmanic: wow...
[12:55] <BluesKaj> Pardalz, type mount in the konsole
[12:55] <Pardalz> just that?
[12:55] <Daisuke_Ido> jacob: /join #ubuntu
[12:55] <Daisuke_Ido> just type that
[12:55] <Daisuke_Ido> in here
[12:55] <Dragnslcr> jacob- it's the same network, just join #ubuntu instead of #kubuntu
[12:55] <Daisuke_Ido> remember the slash
[12:55] <Daisuke_Ido> oi
[12:55] <caboose_1980> click this *ubuntu
[12:55] <jacob> graft: where do i type that in?
[12:55] <nosredna> anyone know where the kdm sessions file is stored?
[12:55] <caboose_1980> #ubuntu
[12:56] <BluesKaj> the best is the server textbox
[12:56] <Aleksandersen> Hi, how can I uninstall mysql-common without removing Amarok? I have setup Amarok with a PostgreSQL database. So I do not need MySQL installed. Adept keeps saying I cannot uninstall mysql without removing Amarok. Suggestions?
[12:56] <jacob> ah ok thx i got it
[12:56] <Pardalz> BluesKaj: yes i do..
[12:56] <Daisuke_Ido> i am trying so SO hard right now
[12:57] <JOEYYYYYY> when i install adobe flash, should it be a .tar .gz file. .rpm file. for kibuntu 7.04?
[12:57] <BluesKaj> not rpm , tar.gz
[12:58] <JOEYYYYYY> what program do i use for that.
[12:58] <BluesKaj> !rpm
[12:58] <ubotu> RPM is the RedHat Package Management system. Ubuntu uses !APT, not RPM. RPM packages are not supported (the package "alien" can allow installing them, but it's quite dangerous)
[12:58] <Daisuke_Ido> !tar
[12:58] <ubotu> Files with extensions .tar, .gz, .tgz, .zip, .bz2, .7z, .ace and other archive file formats can be opened with ark - also see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FileCompression
[12:58] <graft> isn't flash in the repository somewhere?
[12:58] <graft> !flash
[12:58] <ubotu> To install Flash see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/Flash - Flash 9 is now available in dapper-backports and edgy-backports - See also !Restricted and !Gnash
[12:58] <JOEYYYYYY> Awesome, thanks.
[12:58] <BluesKaj> !botabuse
[12:58] <ubotu> Please investigate with me only in /msg or in #ubuntu-bots (see also !Bot). Abusing the channel bots will only result in angry ops...
[12:59] <BluesKaj> oops
[12:59] <graft> who's botabusing?
[12:59] <graft> physician, heal thyself, BluesKaj!
[12:59] <BluesKaj> yeah , really
[01:00] <BluesKaj> i think the heat is getting to me
[01:00] <JOEYYYYYY> Ok now i have flashplayer installer -kate
[01:00] <Pardalz> i need some files from my windows xp..  my HD is sata.. and i dont know how to do that :>
[01:00] <JOEYYYYYY> what is that.
[01:00] <stepmanic> nosredna: hmm... kinda stuck atm :s you too?
[01:01] <nosredna> yeah.
[01:01] <BluesKaj> Pardalz, this is linux , need help with windows try ##windows
[01:01] <Pardalz> BluesKaj: no.. i wont use windows anymore..
[01:02] <stepmanic> nosredna: hmm... kinda stuck atm :s you too?
[01:02] <Pardalz> i only want my files in the partition
[01:02] <stepmanic> nosredna: ops.. what about /usr/share/xsessions/?
[01:02] <nosredna> just about to suggets that!
[01:02] <graft> Pardalz: you can mount the drive, probably
[01:02] <BluesKaj> Pardalz, you can use ntfs-3g amd ntfs-config to access windows partitions
[01:02] <stepmanic> :P
[01:02] <BluesKaj> from linux
[01:03] <nosredna> stepmanic: yeah, make a file in there called xgl.desktop
[01:03] <nosredna> and paste that stuff
[01:03] <CensorBard> So. I'm trying to install KMuddy from a tarball. Extracted the contents, got as far as ./configure, and then I am greeted with a message that my C compiler cannot make executables. Help?
[01:03] <graft> zuh?
[01:03] <stepmanic> nosredna: yep done^-^ worked
[01:04] <graft> CensorBard: sudo apt-get install build-essential
[01:04] <BluesKaj> CensorBard, install build-essential
[01:04] <Pardalz> BluesKaj: where i type it
[01:04] <Pardalz> BluesKaj: i try in console
[01:04] <stepmanic> nosredna: so then what:P?
[01:04] <Pardalz> BluesKaj: sorry... but im so newbie
[01:04] <BluesKaj> Pardalz, yes
[01:04] <graft> !mount
[01:04] <ubotu> Partitioning programs: !GParted or QTParted (also "man mkfs" for formatting) - Mounting partitions in Kubuntu, go to System Settings -> Advanced Tab -> Disks & Filesystem. See also !fstab and !DiskMounter
[01:05] <CensorBard> ....yeah, that might help a lot.
[01:05] <graft> hrmm
[01:05] <graft> !fstab
[01:05] <ubotu> The /etc/fstab file indicates how drive partitions are to be used or otherwise integrated into the file system. See http://www.tuxfiles.org/linuxhelp/fstab.html and !Partitions
[01:05] <graft> bah
[01:05] <Pardalz> :o it knows all?
[01:05] <BluesKaj> that's ok Pardalz , I'm still learning too
[01:07] <Pardalz> tkx all..
[01:07] <CensorBard> ...It's asking for X includes. I'm guess that's referring to X window?
[01:08] <CensorBard> Error message in question: checking for X... configure: error: Can't find X includes. Please check your installation and add the correct paths!
[01:08] <stepmanic> nosredna: so... thats it or what^^? nothing more needed?
[01:09] <graft> CensorBard: sudo apt-get install xlibs-dev
[01:09] <nosredna> stepmanic: ok, log out. then there will be a little list button or such, click it and select xgl
[01:09] <nosredna> then log back in
[01:10] <stepmanic> ok will do :D
[01:10] <stepmanic> brb
[01:10] <nosredna> WAIT!!
[01:10] <jabba> hello
[01:10] <jabba> i am trying to mount a nfs-share from a nfs-v3 server
[01:11] <jabba> sudo mount -v -t nfs 192.168.0.33:/media/hdd/movie /mnt/dreambox/
[01:11] <jabba> mount to NFS server '192.168.0.33' failed.
[01:11] <jabba> RPC Error: 15 ( Program not registered )
[01:11] <JOEYYYYYY> error your acrchitecture x86_64 is not supported by the adobe flash player installer.
[01:11] <JOEYYYYYY> what architecture do i need then?
[01:11] <jabba> does anyone know that problem?
[01:11] <graft> hmm, i know this... you're not running portmap or something
[01:12] <jabba> graft, portmap is runnign on the client
[01:12] <graft> or, maybe you don't have permissions to mount that drive?
[01:12] <jabba> root
[01:12] <graft> what's your export look like?
[01:12] <graft> i mean, permissions from the server
[01:12] <jabba> hmm
[01:12] <jabba> there is no real export-file
[01:12] <graft> zuh?
[01:12] <graft> /etc/exports
[01:12] <graft> if you don't have that, nothing will work
[01:13] <jabba> it works
[01:13] <jabba> from another box
[01:13] <graft> then you must have it
[01:13] <sundar_nagarajan> jabba: RPC error seems to indicate portmap is not running. can you check again and/or restart portmap?
[01:13] <Pardalz> !fstab
[01:13] <ubotu> The /etc/fstab file indicates how drive partitions are to be used or otherwise integrated into the file system. See http://www.tuxfiles.org/linuxhelp/fstab.html and !Partitions
[01:13] <jabba>  /media/hdd/movie 192.168.0.0/255.255.0.0
[01:13] <jabba> sundar_nagarajan: on the client?
[01:14] <jabba> i did several times
[01:14] <stepmanic> nosredna: i could log in this time^^
[01:14] <graft> jabba: restart the server-side stuff
[01:14] <sundar_nagarajan> jabba: yes, try restarting /etc/init.d/portmap on the client
[01:14] <nosredna> great, so I think you are in XGL now
[01:14] <jabba> i did
[01:14] <jabba> again
[01:14] <stepmanic> yep
[01:14] <Pardalz> !how_edit_Fstab
[01:14] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about how_edit_fstab - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:14] <nosredna> try a fglrxinfo, and if it says "direct rendering no" you are!
[01:14] <jabba> it is a client-side problem
[01:14] <jabba> from another box i can mount it
[01:14] <sundar_nagarajan> jabba: there's a command to check what RPCs are active - let me try to find that
[01:14] <graft> jabba: what's the machine you're mounting from? LAN ip?
[01:15] <jabba> yes
[01:15] <jabba> 192.168.0.33 is server
[01:15] <nosredna> stepmanic: now try running "beryl-xgl" and then "beryl-manager"
[01:15] <jabba> 192.168.0.30 is kubuntu feisty and connot mount
[01:15] <nosredna> second command will require you doing a "alt+f2"
[01:15] <jabba> 192.168.0.55 is another dreambox .. can mount
[01:15] <sundar_nagarajan> jabba: have you exported to the particular client you are connecting from?
[01:15] <jabba> see above
[01:15] <graft> seems like it
[01:16] <jabba> 192.168.0.0 is allowed
[01:16] <stepmanic> nosredna: couldnt run beryl-xgl, but i can run beryl-manager
[01:16] <jabba> it worked before on my pc
[01:16] <jabba> with debian etch
[01:16] <graft> are you running statd on the client?
[01:16] <jabba> now with kubuntu feisty nfs-client rejects working
[01:16] <nosredna> stepmanic: what happened with beryl-xgl?
[01:17] <jabba> graf, ps ax | grep statd
[01:17] <jabba> no statd
[01:17] <graft> hrmrm...
[01:17] <graft> do you have hosts.deny and such set up correctly?
[01:17] <stepmanic> nosredna: command not found
[01:17] <jabba> what is correctly?
[01:18] <Pardalz> wht means " The system reported: mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hdc1,"
[01:18] <jabba> and what if i cheged them?
[01:18] <graft> well, do you have lines for NFS in there?
[01:18] <jabba> *changed them
[01:18] <nosredna> stepmanic: oh, ok. run "beryl" then
[01:18] <nosredna> I think you are using a newer version than I am
[01:18] <jabba> graf, oh excuse me
[01:18] <jabba> statd is runnig
[01:18] <jabba> on client
[01:19] <jabba>  /sbin/rpc.statd
[01:19] <graft> okay... on server, cat /etc/hosts.deny
[01:19] <graft> and cat /etc/hosts.allow
[01:19] <graft> see what it says for portmap, etc.
[01:20] <jabba> hosts.allow:
[01:20] <nosredna> or just select beryl from a rightclick on beryl-manager->select window manager
[01:20] <stepmanic> nosredna: hmm.. it started, but all the windowsdecorations dissappeared and i couldnt type anything
[01:20] <jabba> portmap: 192.168.0.*
[01:20] <jabba> rpc.mountd: 192.168.0.*
[01:20] <nosredna> stepmanic: ok, thats fine
[01:20] <nosredna> start beryl-manager
[01:20] <jabba> hosts.deny is empty
[01:21] <graft> well if hosts.deny is empty it's not even in issue
[01:21] <nosredna> stepmanic: start beryl-manager first, then beryl
[01:21] <jabba> do i need it?
[01:21] <graft> eh... if you're paranoid
[01:21] <jabba> no
[01:21] <jabba> :D
[01:21] <jabba> not at home
[01:21] <stepmanic> i did
[01:22] <nosredna> stepmanic: when all the title bars disappear, right click on beryl-manager icon->select windowmanager->beryl
[01:22] <jabba> and hosts.allow is ok?
[01:22] <graft> is there an ALL: line in there?
[01:22] <nosredna> stepmanic: and I have to go..... if you have any probelms go to #ubuntu-effects
[01:22] <jabba> in allow?
[01:22] <nosredna> bye
[01:22] <Pardalz> exirt
[01:22] <stepmanic> nosredna:yeh tnx for all the help:)
[01:22] <graft> yeah
[01:22] <sundar_nagarajan> jabba: can you try the following command: rpcinfo -p
[01:22] <jabba> no
[01:22] <stepmanic> nosredna: works great now^^
[01:23] <demperor> hi
[01:23] <demperor> Spanish learning software for Kubuntu?
[01:23] <demperor> thanks
[01:23] <nosredna> stepmanic: all good? GREAT! have fun!
[01:23] <stepmanic> nosredna: will do:P
[01:23] <graft> jabba: hrm... well might want to put in a line saying ALL: 192.168.0.
[01:25] <jabba> sundar_nagarajan: http://nopaste.debianforum.de/6351
[01:25] <jabba> graft: what do i have to restart after editing hosts.allow?
[01:26] <jabba> i should eventually mention that the server is nfs v3
[01:26] <jabba> coould that be ab problem?
[01:26] <jabba> -b
[01:27] <graft> nah
[01:27] <jabba> would have wonderd myself.. witch etch (and afterwards lenny) it workd
[01:27] <jabba> out of the box.. :(
[01:28] <jabba> *with etch
[01:28] <graft> i dunno if you have to restart anything... hosts files usually just work
[01:28] <sundar_nagarajan> jabba: I am using NFS (though v4) and I do not have anything in /etc/hosts.allow. Used to use NFSv3 earlier and never had anything in hosts.allow there either
[01:28] <mrksbrd> ok i'm still lost.....i'm trying to install my 2200bg built in wireless card, and i have no clue what to do, i have the driver already, and the firmware update.....what is the first thing i need to do with a tar.gz file(what would be the command to untar it)
[01:28] <jabba> sundar_nagarajan: strange ...
[01:29] <graft> as i said, just for the paranoid
[01:29] <jabba> still the same fault
[01:29] <Daisuke_Ido> mrksbrd: short answer: man tar
[01:29] <jabba> rps error: 15
[01:29] <jabba> erm
[01:29] <jabba> rpc
[01:29] <Daisuke_Ido> mrksbrd: long answer: tar -zxvf <filename>
[01:30] <jabba> sundar_nagarajan: what about http://nopaste.debianforum.de/6351 ?
[01:30] <jabba> everything ok?
[01:30] <mrksbrd> everytime i do that it tells me "can't find directory"
[01:31] <mrksbrd> the file is saved on my desktop in a foldr I created
[01:31] <Daisuke_Ido> you need to get to that folder then
[01:31] <graft> jabba, is your other box mounting it okay right now?
[01:31] <jabba> yes
[01:31] <mrksbrd> is it a basic cd command?
[01:31] <jabba> 192.168.0.55 mounts 192.168.0.33
[01:32] <sundar_nagarajan> jabba: your rpc stuff is up, and looks fine..
[01:32] <jabba> but my PC (192.168.0.30) cant
[01:32] <mrksbrd> ex: cd home/username/desktop/intel..........??????????
[01:32] <jabba> strange, isn't it?
[01:32] <graft> i'm assuming nfsd is running on the server
[01:32] <jabba> it _should_ work
[01:32] <sundar_nagarajan> when you do an exportfs -av on the NFS server do you see messages indicating exporting to 192.168.0.30?
[01:33] <BluesKaj> mrksbrd, do you have a home/yourname folder  ? that's the default folder for installing files
[01:33] <jabba> /media/hdd/movie
[01:33] <jabba>                 192.168.0.0/255.255.0.0(rw,wdelay,no_root_squash)
[01:33] <mrksbrd> i download them to my desktop, then put them into a folder after that
[01:33] <graft> why rw?
[01:33] <jabba> exports to the whole net 192.168.0.0
[01:34] <jabba> why not?
[01:34] <jabba> :D
[01:34] <redshadowhero> wait... what does 192.168.0.0 do?
[01:34] <sundar_nagarajan> jabba: hmm.. I have exports enabled on a per host basis... but that should not matter
[01:35] <jabba> 192.168.0.55 can mount it
[01:35] <jabba> so 192.168.0.30 should be allowed too
[01:35] <graft> yeah, all that seems fine
[01:35] <graft> are you trying to mount it as root?
[01:35] <jabba> graft
[01:35] <jabba> sudo
[01:35] <BluesKaj> mrksbrd, downloadthem to/home/yourname ...whatever your name is in the terminal "yourname@pcname
[01:36] <graft> well, uid 0 anyway...
[01:36] <jabba> yes
[01:36] <jabba> i also have an entry in fstab for it
[01:36] <jabba> fails also :)
[01:37] <jabba> i surrender.. :(
[01:37] <HomeRoey> hi again
[01:37] <jabba> capitulation
[01:38] <BluesKaj> for example: my pc name is den, my name is kaj so i use the default /home/kaj ...my terminal prompt is kaj@den
[01:38] <HomeRoey> crimsun:  I had to reset, and the soundcard no longer plays the music.  What's up with this?
[01:38] <HomeRoey> er
[01:38] <denny__> i have a compaq presario, and the usb is not showing up - nothing shows in kinfocenter under usb   (or /proc/) ???  works  fine in Windows - seached forums   -    no lead - any suggestions
[01:38] <graft> jabba: what happens if you do rpcinfo -p 192.168.0.33 from whatsit, the broken client?
[01:38] <HomeRoey> I have a problem with my on-board via82cxxx sound chip.. amarok is playing but I don't hear anything!  What could be up with this?
[01:39] <BluesKaj> denny__, in the terminal ' lsusb'
[01:39] <boris_> anybody knows good p2p dowmload program
[01:40] <denny__> BluesKaj: it did not return anything when I ran $ lsusb
[01:40] <BluesKaj> ktorrent
[01:40] <jabba> graft: http://www.ubuntuusers.de/paste/13335/
[01:40] <jabba> rpcinfo -p 192.168.0.33 from 192.168.0.30
[01:40] <mrksbrd> ok i moved them to my home dir
[01:40] <jabba> (the broken client)
[01:41] <genii> mrksbrd: Put a leading / before the word home
[01:41] <BluesKaj> mrksbrd, now you need to tell the browser where to download
[01:41] <graft> jabba: umm... strange, no nfs available?
[01:42] <jabba> yes, indeed...
[01:42] <jabba> but it should
[01:42] <jabba> the other client can mount
[01:42] <graft> nfsd is running on the server?
[01:42] <jabba> why doesn't the kubutu client see nfsd?
[01:42] <boris_> how do i use ktorent
[01:42] <boris_> wher is search
[01:42] <boris_> and how do i conect
[01:43] <graft> boris_: should be a little search bar up top
[01:43] <jabba> boris on bittorent you dont search
[01:43] <graft> boris_: if you have the latest version
[01:43] <mrksbrd> ok what is the extract command.........tar
[01:43] <mrksbrd> ?????
[01:43] <jabba> anyway...
[01:43] <jabba> graft: that seems to be the problem
[01:43] <jabba> but why is it?
[01:43] <graft> jabba: no weird iptables rules or anything?
[01:43] <denny__> BluesKaj: is there  some kernel module not being loaded?
[01:43] <BluesKaj> tar -xzvf filename.tar.gz
[01:44] <genii> mrksbrd: What is the exact name of the file you have again that you are extracting?
[01:44] <boris_> no
[01:44] <jabba> graft: if kubuntu hasn't any by default .. no.
[01:44] <boris_> i need somehow to conect
[01:44] <genii> BluesKaj: Yeah but i dunno if tar.gz
[01:44] <graft> jabba: on the server
[01:45] <jabba> no
[01:45] <jabba> it is a DVB-reveiver! ;)
[01:45] <mrksbrd> hold on
[01:45] <jabba> *receiver
[01:45] <graft> DVB receiver?
[01:45] <boris_> how do i create torent
[01:45] <boris_> plizzzzzzzzzzz
[01:45] <graft> do rpcinfo -u <server> nfs
[01:46] <mrksbrd> ipw2200-1.2.2.tgz
[01:47] <denny__> any other leads to help debug a usb problem besides lsusb (which returned nothing)?
[01:47] <boris_> anyone
[01:48] <jabba> graft:
[01:48] <jabba> rpcinfo -u 192.168.0.33 nfs
[01:48] <jabba> rpcinfo: RPC: Program not registered
[01:48] <jabba> program 100003 is not available
[01:49] <graft> can you do it from the other thingy? 0.55?
[01:49] <jabba> doesn't have rpcinfo :(
[01:49] <echosystm> guys, what is the vlc equivalent in kubuntu?
[01:50] <jabba> vlc?
[01:50] <jabba> kaffeine
[01:50] <echosystm> vlc is gtk
[01:50] <echosystm> i want to keep everything qt
[01:50] <jabba> then kaffeine
[01:50] <graft> echosystm: i like mplayer, try smplayer
[01:50] <echosystm> cheers
[01:51] <echosystm> ok, now how about a BASIC mp3 player?
[01:51] <mrksbrd> genii the file name is ........ipw2200-1.2.2.tgz
[01:51] <BluesKaj> vlc is vlc in linux as well, echosystm
[01:52] <echosystm> ?
[01:52] <BluesKaj> install VLC
[01:52] <echosystm> i said, vlc is gtk, i dont want to use gtk apps if i can avoid it...
[01:52] <jabba> i think echosystm is from linux-land
[01:52] <echosystm> :P
[01:53] <echosystm> because it means all the extra gtk libs need to be loaded, i'd rather keep everything in qt
[01:53] <BluesKaj> I think he's strangling himself for some purist reason
[01:54] <echosystm> kde uses enough memory as it is man :D
[01:54] <thx1137_> echosystm: XMMS would be a similar to winamp
[01:54] <graft> gtk is super-light, man
[01:54] <genii> mrksbrd: OK, then it is   tar -xvzf ipw2200-1.2.2.tgz        if you are in the same directory. Else it is like    tar -xvzf /the/pathname/ipw2200-1.2.2.tgz -C /the/path/where/to/put/the/files
[01:54] <jabba> i think so too echosystm, the other way round would be a reason
[01:54] <jabba> but gtk i really light
[01:54] <thx1137_> as far as mp3's anyways
[01:54] <jabba> *is
[01:54] <graft> xmms is ten years out of date...
[01:55] <jabba> graft: what is better?
[01:55] <thx1137_> oh really? i'll have to check out gtk.. just started using
[01:55] <Pardalz> wtf.. i configured my sound.. but
[01:56] <Pardalz> the player just jump for next track
[01:56] <echosystm> audacious is a more updated version of xmms
[01:56] <Pardalz> is not the player
[01:56] <Pardalz> i used 2
[01:56] <echosystm> BMP is too, but that is discontinued
[01:56] <jabba> graft: i can't believe it
[01:56] <jabba> just rebooted the server
[01:56] <jabba> and nfs is now showing up in rpcinfo
[01:56] <Pardalz> i using amarok and kaffeine..
[01:56] <graft> weird
[01:57] <jabba> very
[01:57] <jabba> really
[01:57] <Pardalz> !amarok
[01:57] <ubotu> Amarok is an audio player for Linux with an intuitive interface. The latest version is 1.4.3 for Dapper and 1.4.5 for Edgy and packages are  available for Kubuntu at www.kubuntu.org See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Amarok
[01:57] <jabba> now it works
[01:57] <jabba> but i really tried that once before
[01:57] <jabba> sth. other might have helped too
[01:57] <Pardalz> !kafeine
[01:57] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about kafeine - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:57] <aesebu55> I have no windows decorator in beryl with kubuntu. Anyone seen this?
[01:57] <Pardalz> !kaffeine
[01:57] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about kaffeine - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:58] <thx1137_> yea, I like amarok alot
[01:58] <jabba> thank you very much for your  interest graft
[01:58] <jabba> and sundar_nagarajan
[01:58] <mrksbrd> i must be a friggin idiot, because i type tar -xvzf /home/mrksbrd/ipw2200-1.2.2.tgz.................and the fuc**** thing still gives me an invalid directory error
[01:58] <BluesKaj> 1.4.6 amarok seems fine
[01:58] <genii> mrksbrd: Tell me what the command whereis ipw2200-1.2.2.tgz   says please
[01:58] <graft> mrksbrd: what directory are you in? pwd
[01:59] <mrksbrd> this is where the files arw I don't undrstand
[01:59] <Pardalz> BluesKaj:
[01:59] <Pardalz> BluesKaj: at 2 players i got same problem wtf..
[01:59] <BluesKaj> no need to type /home/mrksbrd/
[01:59] <Pardalz> wht you think about
[01:59] <BluesKaj> use only one
[01:59] <shahn__> aesebu55: try here http://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/Beryl?highlight=%28beryl%29#head-57bdfae90ae59cf7a8e3987c3aa8b674d983bd0e
[02:00] <shahn__> (it's german, but i hope you'll understand)
[02:00] <mrksbrd> i'm going to throw this thing across th room
[02:00] <BluesKaj> mrksbrd, in the terminal type tar -xvzf ipw2200-1.2.2.tgz
[02:01] <aesebu55> shahn_: haha, don't think so
[02:01] <nejode> aesebu55: did you add the line: Option         "AddARGBGLXVisuals" "true"   to your xorg.conf?
[02:01] <mrksbrd> i look in my home/mrksbrd directory & i see the 2 files
[02:01] <genii> It could be that perms on the tarfile do not allow without sudo
[02:01] <aesebu55> nejode: did that. I went to #beryl and they said I need to install emerald so I am doing that now. Thanks!
[02:01] <BluesKaj> no need to type home/mrksbrd
[02:02] <mrksbrd> let me get u th exact msg it spits back
[02:02] <BluesKaj> !pastebin | mrksbrd
[02:02] <ubotu> mrksbrd: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[02:03] <aesebu55> btw, if anyone in here hasn't tried beryl I really recommend it (hope that was ok)
[02:03] <mrksbrd> ok i don't know what i did this tim but i think it worked....
[02:03] <mrksbrd> what is the next step?
[02:03] <graft> aesebu55: are you running beryl-manager?
[02:03] <graft> blah
[02:03] <mrksbrd> it looks like it may have extracted it
[02:04] <BluesKaj> mrksbrd, open the folder look for a readme file
[02:04] <BluesKaj> and make or makefile
[02:04] <BluesKaj> or ./configure
[02:04] <mrksbrd> ok
[02:04] <mrksbrd> done
[02:05] <mrksbrd> i see readme and makefile
[02:05] <dana77> hola
[02:05] <BluesKaj> there should be install instructions in the reame
[02:05] <BluesKaj> readme
[02:06] <BluesKaj> BluesKaj, graciuosly accepts a coffee , genii :)
[02:07] <BluesKaj> ok, mrksbrd , cd to the foldername in terminal
[02:07] <jabba> ok.. PC and DVB-receivers talking to each other :D ... it is late, time to get some sleep. GdN8
[02:07] <jabba> cu
[02:07] <mrksbrd> readme tells me todo this..........% modprobe ipw2200 [parameter] =[value] 
[02:09] <mrksbrd> ok in the folder
[02:09] <BluesKaj> mrksbrd , cd to the foldername in the terminal
[02:10] <mrksbrd> ok there
[02:10] <BluesKaj> is there configure file in the folder?
[02:11] <BluesKaj> well, run ./configure anyway
[02:11] <mrksbrd> CHANGES   dvals     idvals     ipw2200.h   load            restart
[02:12] <mrksbrd> compat.c  FILES     INSTALL    ipwstats.c  Makefile        status
[02:12] <BluesKaj> ?
[02:12] <BluesKaj> ok ' sudo make install '
[02:12] <mrksbrd> this is what i see
[02:12] <mrksbrd> ok
[02:12] <Irgot> hello
[02:14] <thx1137_> What are some other good IRC clients?  I'm using Konversation, but wanted to try a couple more
[02:14] <cloakable> kvirc
[02:14] <jdt> Xchat?
[02:14] <mrksbrd> Don't forget to copy firmware to your hotplug's firmware directory and have the hotplug tools in place.
[02:15] <thx1137_> thanks, i'll have to check those out
[02:15] <BluesKaj> you can run mirc in wine too :)
[02:16] <Dragnslcr> BluesKaj- you're not allowed to speak anymore
[02:16] <thx1137_> hehe
[02:16] <irgot> someone is brazilian?
[02:16] <BluesKaj> thx1137_, irssi for the terminal
[02:17] <mrksbrd> Whats next Blues????????
[02:17] <BluesKaj> did it go back to the prompt
[02:17] <mrksbrd> yes
[02:18] <BluesKaj> ok mrksbrd ..what is the app BTW , so we know where to look ?
[02:18] <mrksbrd> it is the driver for my wifi card
[02:18] <hammy> hi ppl
[02:19] <hammy> omg ubuntu IRC won't work
[02:20] <irgot> what's the problem?
[02:20] <BluesKaj> well mrksbrd , i'll have to hand it off from here ...wireless isn't my forte' ... Dragnslcr ?
[02:20] <zimmo> does anybody know a bit about bind9?
[02:21] <irgot> service bind9 restart
[02:21] <Biovore> it gets hacked alot..
[02:21] <Biovore> best to run it in a root jail or something..
[02:21] <hammy> lol i don't even use kubuntu but it works
[02:21] <Biovore> djbdns or powerdns are better bets in my option..
[02:21] <mrksbrd> uuuuugggggggggggggg!!!!!!!!!
[02:21] <BluesKaj> !wireless
[02:21] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[02:22] <mrksbrd> i read them and because i don't know the commands it is like reading greek, this is only my first day using linux
[02:22] <BluesKaj> uhoh , don't like the sound of that
[02:22] <mrksbrd> 2nd sorry
[02:23] <irgot> how i install telnet server on ubuntu?
[02:23] <mrksbrd> i'm coming over from windows, and I wanted to give linux a try
[02:24] <mrksbrd> because i hear how good it is, only thing i have discovered is how frustrated it gets me
[02:24] <Biovore> irgot: why..  telnet is evil for most cases..  try ssh
[02:24] <BluesKaj> gents we need wireless help here
[02:24] <Biovore> BluesKaj: what wireless card?
[02:24] <BluesKaj> mrksbrd, Biovore's yer man !
[02:24] <mrksbrd> intel pro/wireless 2200bg
[02:24] <irgot> i know telnet is evil, but i have to install it
[02:25] <hammy> maybe i should install linux
[02:25] <thx1137_> hey, check out Wubi
[02:25] <Biovore> I think the intell cards work out of the box.. my 3945 did..
[02:25] <zimmo>  i have to configure the zones and the hosts to set up the Shorewall, ok? but it says i have not valid zones! do I need bind9 to create them first?
[02:25] <thx1137_> I used it to install ubuntu, it makes a virtual disk so you don't have to repartition your hd until your comfy with ubuntu
[02:25] <Biovore> 2200bg is very well support.. I would think it should work..
[02:26] <mrksbrd> my wifi light isn't lit
[02:26] <Biovore> mrksbrd: disabled in bios.. or the fn-antenna button?
[02:26] <thx1137_> http://wubi-installer.org/
[02:26] <mrksbrd> it is a built in wifi card if that makes a difference
[02:26] <hammy> u could try device manager
[02:26] <Biovore> ^ thats kinda cool.. install ubuntu without a cd
[02:26] <Biovore> mrksbrd: mine is built in..
[02:27] <mrksbrd> already looked in bios & fn button
[02:27] <Biovore> mrksbrd: if you open up konsole and type "lspci"  does your wifi card show up..
[02:27] <thx1137_> yea, and I don't have a DVD player, so I couldn't really install Ubuntu Studio, but with this I can install it and check it out.. so far it's awesome
[02:28] <mrksbrd> yes
[02:28] <mrksbrd> 02:02.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 2200BG Network Connection (rev 05)
[02:29] <irgot> what command i send a menssage to a person
[02:30] <irgot> [tokin] teste
[02:30] <Biovore> mrksbrd: you have wireless-tools module-assistant ?
[02:30] <Biovore> mrksbrd: ubuntu should have a ipw2200 module in the default kernel..
[02:30] <mrksbrd> i installed something like that, but can't find it anywhere
[02:31] <Biovore> mrksbrd: "sudo lsmod | grep ipw2200"
[02:31] <Biovore> the led is a option.. its off by default..
[02:32] <Biovore> mrksbrd: if you want the led do the follow.. echo "options ipw2200 led=1" >> /etc/modules.d/ipw2200.modprobe
[02:32] <Biovore> mrksbrd: probably need a sudo at the start
[02:32] <mrksbrd> slow down.....u lost me
[02:34] <mrksbrd> what do i need to type in the terminal....the echo line?
[02:34] <Biovore> mrksbrd: run "konsole"
[02:35] <mrksbrd> already there
[02:35] <Biovore> mrksbrd: now type "sudo lsmod | grep ipw2200"
[02:36] <Biovore> do you get a line that says ipw2000       <somenumber>  some more stuff
[02:36] <irgot> i try to compile a new kenel on ubuntu and i failed, someone knows if it's possible
[02:36] <Biovore> yup
[02:36] <Biovore> there's a howto on the forums
[02:36] <mrksbrd> ipw2200               148040  0
[02:37] <Biovore> so the driver is installed then..
[02:37] <mrksbrd> ieee80211              34760  1 ipw2200
[02:37] <irgot> pass to me the adress
[02:37] <Biovore> mrksbrd: now type "iwconfig"
[02:37] <irgot> pass the adress of forum
[02:37] <Biovore> !forums
[02:37] <ubotu> The Ubuntu forums can be found at http://www.ubuntuforums.org. There is also a channel on IRC Freenode #ubuntuforums.
[02:37] <Biovore> it has  a search..
[02:37] <irgot> !forums
[02:38] <irgot> thanks
[02:38] <TheCreationist> Does anyone know if there is anything thing for Linux similar to Finale or Noteworthy Composer?
[02:38] <mrksbrd> no wireless extensions
[02:38] <jhutchins> irgot: Were you asking if compiling a kernel on kubuntu was possible?
[02:38] <mrksbrd> eth1 unassociated
[02:39] <lewix> hi
[02:39] <hacker128> HI
[02:39] <irgot> [jhutchins] yes
[02:39] <jhutchins> irgot: Certainly it is.  That's how the kernel that's distributed as a binary got built.
[02:39] <Biovore> mrksbrd: Mode:Managed  Frequency=nan kHz  Access Point: Not-Associated  <-- that the second line of eth1?
[02:40] <jhutchins> irgot: It's best to have a current howto for reference, but there are a number of guides available.
[02:40] <mrksbrd> Mode:Managed  Channel=0  Access Point: Not-Associated
[02:40] <hacker128> ubuntu___:  Get bcm43xx-fwcutter.
[02:40] <Biovore> mrksbrd: ok so that means all the low-level stuff is working fine.. just need to configure the interface..
[02:41] <intelikey> what is /var/log/ksymoops/*  ?
[02:41] <hacker128> Biovore: Get bcm43xx-fwcutter.
[02:41] <Biovore> mrksbrd: Tring to think of whats the easiest way to configure that interface..  probably to use KNetworkManager.
[02:41] <jhutchins> irgot: This is probably the one Biovore was thinking of: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-1475.html
[02:41] <irgot> jhutchins: thanks
[02:42] <mrksbrd> ok
[02:42] <irgot> how i send a ms only to you jhutchin
[02:42] <jhutchins> intelikey: Symbolic debugging of kernel oops logs?
[02:43] <intelikey> jhutchins hmmm.   wonder why that's active...    insmod: modprobe: cannot create /var/log/ksymoops/20070801.log Read-only file system
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[02:43] <mrksbrd> why wont mine launch?
[02:43] <intelikey> that's a boot time error message
[02:44] <Biovore> mrksbrd: should put a small network thing in your system tray.. right click on it and it should pop open with a list of wireless-networks..
[02:44] <intelikey> i'll link null to it and see what happens
[02:45] <hacker128> Biovore..
[02:45] <mrksbrd> ok i see my network
[02:45] <Biovore> oO
[02:47] <intelikey> that cleared it up.   i realize i just disabled some kind of logging but i never used it anyway so...
[02:47] <irgot> john_:teste
[02:47] <irgot> ^o)
[02:47] <irgot> crazy
[02:48] <eddy__> hi
[02:49] <intelikey> eddy__
[02:49] <dmuser> Hey everyone
[02:49] <intelikey> dmuser
[02:49] <dmuser> How's it going?
[02:49] <intelikey> well
[02:49] <intelikey> you?
[02:50] <dmuser> Not bad
[02:50] <hacker128> Good. You on a ppc or intel.
[02:50] <HomeRoey> heh, hi
[02:50] <dmuser> Although every time I leave my computer on for the day, it seems something stops working, and my applications won't start any more.
[02:50] <intelikey> HomeRoey
[02:50] <eddy__> eh me son distratto la madonna poverina de dio
[02:50] <eddy__> ?
[02:50] <dmuser> ...which I find odd since there's no one here to change anything
[02:50] <eddy__> Argentin addirittura a 25...
[02:51] <hacker128> Irritating thing about Linux...
[02:51] <intelikey> dmuser memory leak
[02:51] <BluesKaj> !it | eddy__
[02:51] <ubotu> eddy__: Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[02:51] <dmuser> intelikey: How do I track it down?  Any ideas?
[02:51] <mrksbrd1> Biovore....thank you so much i'm now connected
[02:51] <hacker128> SOmething goes wrong...
[02:51] <intelikey> dmuser not really
[02:51] <dmuser> The only thing I have running is Kopete and Konversation
[02:52] <Biovore> mrksbrd1: ok cool..  it should work out of the box.. just run that KNetoworkManager thing..
[02:52] <hacker128> No!!!!
[02:52] <hacker128> IT WONT!
[02:52] <Biovore> well it did :-P
[02:52] <mrksbrd1> i have another ? for you
[02:52] <eddy__> is there someone who use aMSN?
[02:52] <intelikey> dmuser just saying that if time is the only variable and the more time the worse it gets   then it's probably a memory leak
[02:52] <mrksbrd1> have you evr configured a aircard in linux?
[02:52] <hacker128> Yes. i am on a
[02:52] <dmuser> intelikey: Uhh.  Yeah.  Something is eating up 2Gb of RAM.  Any way to find out what?
[02:52] <Biovore> mrksbrd1: nope..  I stick with the intel cards because there open..
[02:52] <hacker128> iBook G4!
[02:53] <Biovore> hacker128: broadcom wireless... poor boy....
[02:53] <hacker128> I know.
[02:53] <Biovore> hacker128: Those are evil...
[02:53] <hacker128> But I dont mind.
[02:54] <Biovore> hacker128: its a hack just to get them to work.. And they have big problems..
[02:54] <hacker128> I KNOW!
[02:54] <mrksbrd1> ok....my next mission i guess, we don't have a wifi network @ work, so i have to use an aircard...linux does recognize it, but that's the extent of it
[02:54] <hacker128> but it is a fun hack@
[02:54] <Biovore> mrksbrd1: I don't know anything about aircards..
[02:55] <hacker128> And my computer was free.
[02:55] <mrksbrd1> ok like i said thanks for helping on the wifi!!!
[02:55] <hacker128> So i am not complaining!
[02:55] <intelikey> dmuser first of all is the ram actually used     echo "`free -m  | grep "buffers/cache" | cut -b19-36 | tr -d ' '`m used"
[02:56] <eddy__> is there someone who use aMSN?
[02:56] <Biovore> intelikey: We make check memory so complicated.. :-P
[02:56] <mrksbrd1> by guyz...thanks everyone
[02:56] <intelikey> :)
[02:57] <intelikey> Biovore could have parsed it dirrectly out of proc
[02:57] <DIO> Dio Cane
[02:57] <Biovore> intelikey: yup..
[02:57] <hacker128> And... So are encrypted DVDs.
[02:57] <dmuser> intelikey: Ok.  Only 250Mb used.
[02:57] <DIO> ya
[02:57] <robby> hi newbs
[02:57] <DIO> obviously
[02:58] <intelikey> dmuser now keep that command handy and let it run for seceral hours and run it again and compare.  if it hasn't increesed much it's not a leak if it has it probably is.
[02:58] <dmuser> intelikey:  Is there a system log file that I can create or view to see why programs are aborting that might give me a clue?
[02:58] <DIO> of course sir
[02:59] <hacker128> Try Runaway Process Catcher.
[02:59] <hacker128> It is a kicker applet.
[02:59] <intelikey> dmuser hmmm  you can look in /var/log/*   but i don't know of anything off hand that would track "aborted/crashed" applications.
[02:59] <DIO> yes
[03:00] <DIO> Oh PORCO DIO
[03:00] <DIO> sono le 3
[03:00] <intelikey> normally that kind of thing will only show if something is "depending" on the exit status of the app
[03:01] <intelikey> i.e.   true && echo success || echo failed
[03:01] <intelikey> i.e.   false && echo success || echo failed
[03:01] <Diocannamadonna> Diocannamadonna
[03:01] <Diocannamadonna> Diocannamadonna
[03:01] <Diocannamadonna> Diocannamadonna
[03:01] <Diocannamadonna> Diocannamadonna
[03:01] <Diocannamadonna> Diocannamadonna
[03:01] <Diocannamadonna> Diocannamadonna
[03:01] <Diocannamadonna> Diocannamadonna
[03:01] <Biovore> spam spam spam
[03:01] <Diocannamadonna> it's not spam
[03:01] <intelikey> Diocannamadonna it's spelled /exit
[03:02] <HomeRoey> crimsun:  hi hi
[03:02] <Biovore> lolz
[03:02] <HomeRoey> hey all
[03:02] <Diocannamadonna> it's Diocannamadonna
[03:03] <HomeRoey> I seem to be stuck on my via82cxxx on-board sound chip when I /really/ wnat to be using my Chaintech AV710 sound card.  I've disabled the on-board sound controller in teh BIOS, but alsa still reports errors when I launch alsamixer (and lsmod still shows via82cxxx).  How can I fix this?  (there's no alsaconfig in ubuntu, arg)
[03:03] <HomeRoey> Biovore:  hi!!
[03:03] <Diocannamadonna> http://killtherollerbladers.splinder.com
[03:03] <Diocannamadonna> http://killtherollerbladers.splinder.com
[03:03] <Diocannamadonna> http://killtherollerbladers.splinder.com
[03:03] <Biovore> hi
[03:04] <Diocannamadonna> http://killtherollerbladers.splinder.com
[03:04] <HomeRoey> Biovore:  do you know how to fix this?
[03:04] <Dragnslcr> !ops
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[03:05] <Biovore> HomeRoey: Hmm  I would guess that you might have that module stuff in a configuration file somewhere..
[03:05] <Biovore> HomeRoey: crimsum is the sound expert..
[03:05] <HomeRoey> Biovore:  ok
[03:05] <HomeRoey> thanks :)
[03:06] <dmuser> intelikey Is there any reason this "Jul 30 07:36:01 Fanderay syslogd 1.4.1#20ubuntu4: restart." would show up at the exact same time every day where my computer has been inactive for a number of hours before and after?
[03:06] <Biovore> HomeRoey: check your /etc/modules file.. so if it's getting loaded in there..
[03:06] <HomeRoey> crimsun... I've been trying to get ahold of him all day
[03:06] <HomeRoey> Biovore:  it's not
[03:06] <Diocannamadonna> http://killtherollerbladers.splinder.com
[03:06] <HomeRoey> hey JohnFlux
[03:07] <Biovore> HomeRoey: /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base ?
[03:09] <HomeRoey> Biovore, http://rafb.net/p/YOzWe390.html
[03:09] <HomeRoey> it loads all sorts of via82cxxx-specific stuff.
[03:09] <intelikey> dmuser check /etc/cron*  probably a dialy cron job   ?
[03:09] <HomeRoey> I'd like to re-install this whole alsa configuration from scratch, as if I were installing the system anew
[03:10] <JohnFlux> HomeRoey: hey
[03:10] <Biovore> HomeRoey: Mine has the same stuff in it as well..
[03:10] <intelikey> dmuser i have set up cron jobs before but as a general rule i dont use cron at all   so off hand i wouldn't know.
[03:10] <rockets_> Are there any plans for a human-like theme for Kubuntu?
[03:11] <Biovore> rockets_: there are.. see www.kde-look.org
[03:11] <Daisuke_Ido> !htsserver
[03:11] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about htsserver - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:11] <Daisuke_Ido> !info htsserver
[03:11] <ubotu> Package htsserver does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas
[03:11] <rockets_> Biovore, ive looked
[03:11] <rockets_> Biovore, i found one that doesnt work
[03:12] <Daisuke_Ido> ah, httrack
[03:13] <dmuser> Well lets see if restarting does the trick.
[03:14] <HomeRoey>  Biovore, but I even disabled it in the bios!!
[03:15] <Biovore> HomeRoey: yeah weird..  I havn't had to deal with changing sound cards.. so I am not really sure.. I havn't dug all that much into alsa..
[03:16] <Biovore> HomeRoey: I assume your loading the driver for the new soundcard manualy?
[03:20] <HomeRoey> Biovore:  I don't know anymore :(
[03:20] <HomeRoey> it seems to load auotmatically
[03:20] <soulrider> hi everyone
[03:21] <HomeRoey> intelikey:  hi!
[03:21] <intelikey> in case you need it.
[03:21] <HomeRoey> intelikey:  much thanks
[03:21] <intelikey> np
[03:21] <HomeRoey> what does it do specifically?
[03:21] <intelikey> read it
[03:21] <soulrider> hello intelikey
[03:21] <intelikey> soulrider
[03:21] <HomeRoey> reboot -f
[03:22] <HomeRoey> how does it get past that??
[03:22] <HomeRoey> the system reboots, ok.... so how does it finish that last line?
[03:22] <soulrider> maybe the kernel is having some tourble rebooting
[03:22] <intelikey> yes there are two commands there.   both are for specific needs read the comments.
[03:22] <soulrider> doing the actual power off/on
[03:22] <HomeRoey> oh, ok
[03:22] <HomeRoey> intelikey:  gotcha
[03:22] <soulrider> press the reset button and it should reboot with no problems i guess
[03:23] <intelikey> soulrider heh
[03:23] <soulrider> intelikey: do you know of any console web browsers that support flash?
[03:24] <HomeRoey> crimsun:  hi?
[03:24] <intelikey> soulrider seeing that i never mess with flash i havent tried to find one.  should be able to use dillo for the console with svgalib  or something
[03:24] <soulrider> intelikey: im running links at the moment with graphics support
[03:25] <intelikey> yeah links2 -g is good and light   elinks  also  but i don't think either will do flash
[03:25] <nosrednaekim> soulrider: you and your 90's era computing.
[03:25] <soulrider> lol
[03:25] <soulrider> im compiling gnome at the moment and its gonna take a while
[03:26] <soulrider> gnome in my archlinux installation collapsed
[03:26] <soulrider> and i dont know how to fix it =/
[03:26] <dmuser> intelikey:  I think I found the problem.  When I restarted, I had to reinstall my nVidia graphics drivers to fix a "modified library" so that kdm would start.  Any idea what would cause this?
[03:26] <intelikey> nosrednaekim 90's ???  uh  the console didn't die it just got stronger
[03:26] <intelikey> dmuser automatic updates ?
[03:27] <nosrednaekim> yeah, but in the early 90's thats all there was.
[03:27] <intelikey> check /var/log/dpkg*
[03:27] <dmuser> intelikey:  It's happened 3 times in a row now.  And automatic updates aren't turned on.
[03:27] <soulrider> i remember windows 3.11 :P
[03:27] <Dr_willis_> I rember Punchcards
[03:27] <Dr_willis_> I rember IRCing on a greebar printing terminal.
[03:27] <Dr_willis_> I rember analog computers made with resistors and capaciators and stuff. :)
[03:27] <intelikey> dmuser hmmmm....    you need an nvidia expert
[03:27] <mneptok> soulrider: mplayer has a CLI mode that can play Flash.
[03:28] <intelikey> which i am not
[03:28] <Dr_willis_> to solve equations.
[03:28] <Dr_willis_> aalib - is so amusing :)
[03:28] <dmuser> So you're saying I should email nVidia about the issue?
[03:28] <mneptok> dmuser: let me guess. you installed the nVidia driver from nVidia, not the package manager.
[03:28] <dmuser> Correct.
[03:28] <mneptok> dmuser: that's your problem
[03:29] <mneptok> dmuser: you will have to recompile and reinstall that driver every time the kernel or one of the kernel libs changes.
[03:29] <BluesKaj> dam proprietary drivers :)
[03:29] <dmuser> The one in the package manager wouldn't enable 3D acceleration properly.  Unless that's just my own ineptitude.
[03:29] <mneptok> WFM
[03:29] <soulrider> mneptok: but i mean flash in sites
[03:30] <JOEYYYYYY> So if i have a 64 bit processor. Theres no way to get adobe flash for linux?
[03:30] <mneptok> soulrider: you need to wget the content and pass the .swf to mplayer-cli
[03:30] <soulrider> JOEYYYYYY: yes you can
[03:30] <Dr_willis_> JOEYYYYYY,  gotta use a 32bit root enviroment some how
[03:30] <soulrider> mneptok: yeah... i think ill pass =/
[03:30] <intelikey> mneptok well what is my problem with nvidia ?    i installed from the repos and it wont work.   (riva128 agp)   ???
[03:30] <JOEYYYYYY> 32 bit root enviornment.
[03:30] <mneptok> JOEYYYYYY: or just install the 32 bit version of Ubuntu
[03:30] <nosrednaekim> JOEYYYYYY: install nspluginwrapper
[03:31] <JOEYYYYYY> ok let me try that.
[03:31] <Sanne> JOEYYYYYY: I installed the 32 bit Firefox from mozilla.org, runs fine.
[03:31] <mneptok> !info nvidia-glx-legacy
[03:31] <ubotu> nvidia-glx-legacy: NVIDIA binary XFree86 4.x/X.Org 'legacy' driver. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 1.0.7184+2.6.20.5-16.29 (feisty), package size 2992 kB, installed size 9780 kB
[03:31] <JOEYYYYYY> So if i just download firefox it will have flash an java?
[03:31] <intelikey> yep wont work
[03:31] <Dr_willis_> !flash
[03:31] <ubotu> To install Flash see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/Flash - Flash 9 is now available in dapper-backports and edgy-backports - See also !Restricted and !Gnash
[03:32] <Dr_willis_> do you have a need for the  64bit ubuntu? if not - stick with 32bit
[03:32] <Sanne> JOEYYYYYY: I followed the wiki, I'll try to find it, sec
[03:32] <mneptok> intelikey: the Riva is just too old. nVidia does not provide a driver for it.
[03:32] <BluesKaj> dumped gnash out of konq and now it plays youtube at least
[03:32] <soulrider> JOEYYYYYY: java is a different thing, just do "sudo aptitude install sun-java6-jre" and youre all set
[03:32] <intelikey> mneptok correct it's not supported
[03:32] <mneptok> soulrider: no 64 bit Java plugin from Sun, though
[03:32] <soulrider> intelikey: i used to have a 16mb vanta lt card, it rocked!
[03:33] <soulrider> =/
[03:33] <rockets> Wait huh
[03:33] <rockets> theres no 64 bit java?
[03:33] <mneptok> intelikey: so get a cheapo GeForce?
[03:33] <rockets> I was just about to install Ubuntu 64 bit to
[03:33] <dmuser> mneptok So I should be uninstalling my current nVidia driver, and installing nvidia-glx-new from console?
[03:33] <JOEYYYYYY> If i use ubuntu 32 bit version, arent I gonna lose half my speed?
[03:33] <HomeRoey> NO
[03:33] <HomeRoey> you won't
[03:33] <rockets> JOEYYYYYY, hah no, 64 bit is only faster for certain things.
[03:33] <Sanne> JOEYYYYYY: scroll down to "Firefox 2.0 with Flash and Java under AMD64": https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FirefoxAMD64FlashJava
[03:33] <rockets> like compiling.
[03:33] <intelikey> soulrider with just the nv driver i have no qualmns with this 32m riva128
[03:33] <JOEYYYYYY> Im using amd athlon 64 x2 processor 5000+
[03:33] <HomeRoey> JOEYYYYYY:  it's a bunch of BS
[03:33] <mneptok> dmuser: correct
[03:34] <soulrider> intelikey: how about the nv driver? unless youre gonna eb doing 3d
[03:34] <HomeRoey> JOEYYYYYY:  64- vs. 32- bit is /not/ an issue.
[03:34] <JOEYYYYYY> ok
[03:34] <soulrider> intelikey: alright
[03:34] <nosrednaekim> JOEYYYYYY: unless you have >4 Gigs of ram, performance laoss will be nil
[03:34] <mneptok> HomeRoey: it is if you have > 4GB RAM ;)
[03:34] <HomeRoey> trust me, I just spent hell in 64-bit debian for the past two years, and only now I got the intelligence to just re-install a 32-bit Ubuntu so that I can finally enjoy Flash.
[03:34] <HomeRoey> JOEYYYYYY:  see abov
[03:34] <HomeRoey> *above
[03:34] <HomeRoey> mneptok:  who cares?
[03:34] <JOEYYYYYY> Yeah Im only running 1 gig.
[03:34] <JOEYYYYYY> Poor me.
[03:35] <HomeRoey> seriously, I have two gigs fo ram and two gigs of swap--
[03:35] <intelikey> mneptok no.   intelikey's first rule of computing is "you can not force a hardware upgrade by poor software"   in short don't try to sell me new JUNK to replace old JUNK period.
[03:35] <HomeRoey> /I/ won't be upgrading this machine.
[03:35] <Sanne> JOEYYYYYY: did you get my link?
[03:35] <JOEYYYYYY> Yes. Im going to check that out now. Thanks for all your help guys.
[03:35] <mneptok> intelikey: don't complain to me. i'm not the one EOLing the Riva.
[03:36] <intelikey> mneptok i'm not complaining,  just saying that approach is not acceptable
[03:36] <Sanne> JOEYYYYYY: there's also a 64 bit subforum on ubuntuforums: http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=134
[03:36] <soulrider> intelikey: im almost sure there are drivers for that card
[03:37] <intelikey> soulrider well we looked and nothing that is "currently supported"   but you are probably right if i knew where to look
[03:38] <soulrider> intelikey: i think you want the 7xxx drivers
[03:38] <intelikey> soulrider i did mention it's not pci  it's real agp  ?
[03:39] <intelikey> somehow there differ
[03:39] <soulrider> intelikey: the 1.0-7185 driver supports your card
[03:40] <intelikey> i'm willing to test it,  is that on the nvidia site ?
[03:40] <soulrider> yes
[03:40] <intelikey> let me look.
[03:40] <soulrider> intelikey: im almopst sure that those drivers are in the repos too
[03:40] <Daisuke_Ido> from Cap'n CLI to installing proprietary drivers?
[03:41] <Daisuke_Ido> neat
[03:41] <Daisuke_Ido> legacy?
[03:41] <soulrider> intelikey:  nvidia-glx-legacy you want that
[03:41] <soulrider> Daisuke_Ido: intelikey must be having a crisis, hes installing propietary stuff... and who knows, maybe even KDE :P
[03:42] <Daisuke_Ido> the smart money's against that
[03:42] <intelikey> soulrider heh did i not say half an hour ago that  nvidia-glx-legacy  will NOT work
[03:42] <soulrider> intelikey: it should though =/
[03:42] <stoned> go johnyy go go go
[03:42] <intelikey> can't help it.  it wont
[03:43] <JOEYYYYYY> whats i686?
[03:43] <soulrider> JOEYYYYYY: architecture
[03:43] <Daisuke_Ido> soulrider: they pulled the riva out of the version in the repos, it's newer than the one he's getting from the site
[03:43] <soulrider> i see
[03:43] <Daisuke_Ido> yes, i saw a beautiful building in rome with i686 design
[03:43] <soulrider> that joke.... sucked :P
[03:44] <Daisuke_Ido> we can't all be winners :(
[03:44] <Daisuke_Ido> anyway, touhou is a failure in both wine and cedega cvs :\
[03:44] <soulrider> piece of advice to everyone, if you install gentoo, make sure you ahve a fast PC and a LOT of time in your hands
[03:45] <soulrider> youhow ?
[03:45] <jacob> i'm an ubuntu user, the ubuntu chat room doesn't seem to know how to change boot screens, does anybody know how i can change my boot screen?
[03:45] <soulrider> touhou*
[03:45] <Dr_willis_> soulrider,  or a lot of pc's and use 'distcc' :)
[03:45] <soulrider> jacob: you mean the splash ?
[03:45] <Dr_willis_> jacob,  which boot screen.
[03:45] <Daisuke_Ido> touhou is a series of shmups for windows (shmups = shootemups, think 1942 or gradius)
[03:45] <Daisuke_Ido> with a whole lot more bullets
[03:45] <Dr_willis_> i 'change' them by disabling them all.
[03:46] <soulwarp> you mean te partition boot screen?
[03:46] <soulrider> Dr_willis_: uhm.. i could use my dads PC as a prostitute for compiling my stuff :P
[03:46] <jacob> Dr_willis, the one that shows up when you load ubuntu
[03:46] <Dr_willis_> soulrider,  thats possible.
[03:46] <jacob> the first boot screen that shows up when you turn on the computer
[03:46] <Dr_willis_> jacob,  you mean the splash screen BEFOR the GDM/Kdm login then.
[03:46] <Daisuke_Ido> the usplash?
[03:46] <Dr_willis_> i always disable that with the nosplash option.  to the kernel.
[03:46] <soulwarp> i think he means Grub loader
[03:46] <jacob> yes
[03:46] <jacob> dr_willis, is that possible?
[03:46] <soulrider> jacob: you mean the one that sais Ubuntu? or the one where you select kernel ?
[03:47] <Dr_willis_> possible to diossable it? of courze.
[03:47] <jacob> Dr_willis, when you turn on the computer, ubuntu loads up and it has the gauge that loads
[03:47] <Dr_willis_> i also am sure to enable the grub meni so its shown
[03:47] <soulrider> Dr_willis_: i think you can also change it
[03:47] <Dr_willis_> jacob,  yes.. I disable that. :)
[03:47] <Dr_willis_> i consider it useless
[03:47] <Dr_willis_> i want to see the messages scroll by.
[03:47] <jacob> dr_willis, can i change that to make it more stylish?
[03:48] <soulrider> jacob: you can change it yeah, but the ubuntu one is cool and you might screw something up
[03:48] <soulrider> jacob: bear in mind that you cannot put any image there
[03:48] <soulrider> it has to meet some requirements
[03:48] <soulrider> like, you dont have a full color pallete
[03:48] <Daisuke_Ido> 640x480 with 16 colours?
[03:48] <Dr_willis_> jacob,  as ive said - i change it DEAD. :)
[03:48] <Dr_willis_> !usplash
[03:48] <ubotu> To select the usplash artwork you want, use "sudo update-alternatives --config usplash-artwork.so && sudo update-initramfs -u" - See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/USplashCustomizationHowto for adding your custom artwork
[03:49] <Dr_willis_> that urls dont give good info?
[03:49] <soulrider> for gods sake, compiling gnome takes FOREVER!
[03:49] <Dr_willis_>  /usr/share/doc/usplash-dev/examples/README
[03:49] <soulrider> brb, gonna make some tea :P
[03:49] <JOEYYYYYY> Anyone know any good sites where i can get some commands on installing mozilla.
[03:49] <jacob> ubotu, that's a long document, there's not quick version?
[03:50] <nosrednaekim> !bot
[03:50] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[03:50] <Daisuke_Ido> jacob: that's the info, if you want to change things without messing them up, you read that.
[03:50] <Dr_willis_> cat /usr/share/doc/usplash/README  - has some info.
[03:50] <Daisuke_Ido> soulrider: might as well go pick the tea leaves, dry them for a few months, and then brew a cup
[03:50] <jacob> alright thx alot
[03:50] <Dr_willis_> but then again. if you want power.. ya gotta learn to  crank the generator! :)
[03:50] <Daisuke_Ido> by the time you get back, gnome MIGHT be done
[03:51] <CensorBard> Wonderful. Botched Wine, and now I can't get it to run properly. Off to wipe and reinstall.
[03:51] <intelikey> JOEYYYYYY installing mozilla what ?   browser mailnews ???
[03:51] <nosrednaekim> reinstall Kubuntu?
[03:51] <jacob> alright, thx, have a good night sleep
[03:51] <CensorBard> Yeah.
[03:52] <intelikey> got it too warm ?
[03:52] <CensorBard> Apparantly, installed it, sans the files it needed.
[03:52] <Dr_willis_> Installed it how?
[03:52] <CensorBard> Tarball.
[03:52] <Daisuke_Ido> !repos
[03:52] <ubotu> The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[03:53] <Dr_willis_> there are unofficial repos with the latest wine - i do belove
[03:53] <Dr_willis_> belive
[03:53] <Dr_willis_> !wine
[03:53] <ubotu> wine is a compatibility layer for running Windows programs on GNU/Linux. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Wine for more information.
[03:53] <Daisuke_Ido> for god's sake, USE THEM
[03:53] <intelikey> oh he shook it
[03:53] <BluesKaj> think I'll DL mirc and run it on wine ...gotta use it for something :)
[03:53] <Dr_willis_> BluesKaj,  use it to install spyware
[03:53] <BluesKaj> hehe
[03:53] <Daisuke_Ido> the repos are there so you don't have the headaches that come with trying to get things installed manually
[03:53] <intelikey> :)
[03:53] <CensorBard> Eventually, I'm going to need to go compile Winex. And that's going to be fun.
[03:54] <Daisuke_Ido> why do so many people feel the need to make life needlessly complicated
[03:54] <Dr_willis_> !easysource
[03:54] <Daisuke_Ido> CensorBard: i just did
[03:54] <ubotu> source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[03:54] <Daisuke_Ido> it's not that tough
[03:54] <JOEYYYYYY> intellikey; im trying to install firefox so i can use java and flash.
[03:54] <JOEYYYYYY> its in ark but i dont know what to do from there.
[03:54] <Daisuke_Ido> close ark
[03:54] <Daisuke_Ido> sudo apt-get install mozilla-firefox
[03:54] <CensorBard> Doc Ido: Because we're Linux noobs. And taking page after page of notes culled from the man pages helps not with the headaches.
[03:55] <JOEYYYYYY> Daisuke_ will that install no matter what folder its in?
[03:55] <intelikey> JOEYYYYYY delete it and use the package managere
[03:55] <Daisuke_Ido> so pop open synaptic
[03:55] <Daisuke_Ido> sudo apt-get install sun-java5-jre flashplugin-nonfree
[03:56] <Daisuke_Ido> CensorBard: nothing i've said involves man pages or notes
[03:56] <Daisuke_Ido> there are graphical package managers right there in the menu that if you open them, and search for, say "wine", you'll get it.
[03:56] <JOEYYYYYY> Daisuke_ it says package is missing or obsolete.
[03:57] <Daisuke_Ido> JOEYYYYYY: which package?
[03:57] <intelikey> i love it when web pages tell me that my version of netscape navigator is too old    hehhe   elinks is funny
[03:57] <hambobo> how do i use wine
[03:57] <CensorBard> I found this out too late. Adept_installer != Adept_manager, and all that.
[03:57] <Spider> Hi! :)
[03:57] <JOEYYYYYY> I thought that command was for me.
[03:57] <JOEYYYYYY> Maybe not.
[03:57] <JOEYYYYYY> lol.
[03:58] <Daisuke_Ido> JOEYYYYYY: sudo apt-get install firefox
[03:58] <Daisuke_Ido> i forgot they renamed the package
[03:58] <Daisuke_Ido> and your best bet is to go into adept or synaptic and install the java5 jre and flashplugin-nonfree
[03:58] <intelikey> JOEYYYYYY the command is for you;  sudo apt-get install firefox sun-java5-jre flashplugin-nonfree
[03:59] <Daisuke_Ido> ooh, so i did get the java package name right :)
[03:59] <intelikey> actually i just copied you...
[03:59] <JOEYYYYYY> Ya but it said its missing or obsolete intelikey.
[03:59] <Daisuke_Ido> JOEYYYYYY: which package is missing or obsolete?
[03:59] <Daisuke_Ido> that's important information
[03:59] <intelikey> which  "IT"  ?
[04:00] <JOEYYYYYY> IT?
[04:00] <JOEYYYYYY> Flashplugin has no installation candidate?
[04:00] <intelikey> never mind.  i'm busy.
[04:01] <Daisuke_Ido> flashplugin, not Flashplugin
[04:01] <Daisuke_Ido> case sensitive
[04:01] <warhol> are there any guides made for installing compiz on kubuntu specifically?
[04:01] <Daisuke_Ido> and it's flashplugin-nonfree
 it is easy, but it still sukc on under kde
[04:02] <tinin> sucks on kde
[04:02] <BluesKaj> JOEYYYYYY, it'll ask you to accept the agreement , otherwise the install won't finish
[04:02] <Spider> could I ask someone a Question please
[04:02] <Dr_willis_> Spider,  you just did. :) care to ask another?
[04:02] <JOEYYYYYY> Yeah i got it now. Everythings working.
[04:02] <Dr_willis_> !ask
[04:02] <ubotu> Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[04:02] <warhol> what is the best visual effect manager to install on kubuntu?
[04:02] <tinin> http://3v1n0.tuxfamily.org/ <warhol>
[04:02] <Dr_willis_> warhol,  clarify that term.. :)
[04:03] <warhol> yeah...heh
[04:03] <warhol> dont know if compiz is a window manager or not
[04:03] <Daisuke_Ido> compiz is a window manager, yes
[04:03] <warhol> okay, to clarify, what is the best and easiest windows manager to install on kubuntu
[04:04] <warhol> ive already got my nvidia drivers and xgl working
[04:04] <Spider> I using ubuntu and and was looking for irc programs and stumbled across this chat room and was wondering whats kubuntu??
[04:04] <Dr_willis_> warhol,  dozens of them - depends on your needs.
[04:04] <Daisuke_Ido> ah
[04:04] <tinin> kde will have those kind of effects natively in kde4, till then, gnome+compiz is better i guess
[04:04] <Dr_willis_> Windowmaker is rather straight forward. icewm is VERY straightfor4ward
[04:04] <Daisuke_Ido> kubuntu is ubuntu with kde as the DE
[04:04] <warhol> Dr: im basically looking for the 3d cube trick
[04:04] <Daisuke_Ido> same base, different desktop environment
[04:04] <Dr_willis_> warhol,  that has nothing to do with 'best/easiest'
[04:04] <Dr_willis_> :)
[04:04] <warhol> yeah
[04:04] <Dr_willis_> !beryl
[04:04] <warhol> heh
[04:04] <ubotu> beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. Help in #ubuntu-effects
[04:04] <Spider> whats kde? im kinda new to linux
[04:04] <Daisuke_Ido> this is for those that wish gnome were as small as its name implies :D
[04:04] <Dr_willis_> !kde
[04:04] <ubotu> KDE (http://kde.org) is the !desktop environment used natively in !Kubuntu. To install from Ubuntu:  sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop , or see http://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallingKDE) . Latest KDE version is 3.5.7 for Feisty, 3.5.6 for Edgy, and 3.5.5 for Dapper. See http://kubuntu.org) for more information.
[04:05] <Dr_willis_> Spider,  a desktop enviroment. = window manager + support apps  + filemanager
[04:05] <warhol> is there any window manager installed with kubuntu?
[04:05] <Daisuke_Ido> kwin
[04:05] <Dr_willis_> if you are using Kubuntyu, you are most likely using KDE.
[04:05] <Dr_willis_> warhol,  KDE has kwin as its window manager
[04:05] <Spider> oh!
[04:05] <Daisuke_Ido> Dr_willis_: he's using ubuntu
[04:05] <Daisuke_Ido> gnomie
[04:05] <warhol> can it do those cool thangs
[04:05] <Daisuke_Ido> not yet
[04:05] <intelikey> i can not b'leave i let you talk me in to dl'ing 10m on slodem that is going to ask me to agree with a license that i will not agree with...      what's wrong with me today?
[04:06] <BluesKaj> gnome implies a small footprint , but it aint ;)
[04:06] <Dr_willis_> warhol,  beryl is a SPECIAL window manager that does those cool things
[04:06] <Daisuke_Ido> BluesKaj: exactly what i said :P
[04:06] <hambobo> how do i use wine
[04:06] <warhol> alright
[04:06] <Daisuke_Ido> !wine | hambobo
[04:06] <ubotu> hambobo: wine is a compatibility layer for running Windows programs on GNU/Linux. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Wine for more information.
[04:06] <Dr_willis_> beryls main 'feature' is all that useless eye candy
[04:06] <Dr_willis_> :)
[04:06] <Spider> yup
[04:06] <Daisuke_Ido> Spider: got some hd space to play with?
[04:06] <Spider> hehe yup
[04:07] <Daisuke_Ido> sudo aptitude install kubuntu-desktop
[04:07] <Spider> 350gb
[04:07] <BluesKaj> yup, just remebering my old norse bedtime stories ...they were long and exciting and full of gnomes
[04:07] <Daisuke_Ido> and definitely use aptitude
[04:07] <Daisuke_Ido> NOT apt-get
[04:07] <rockets> I'm about to try Kubuntu 64-bit
[04:07] <Daisuke_Ido> because if you want to remove it easily aptitude will make life better :)
[04:07] <soulrider> intelikey: why wont you agree with the licence ?
[04:07] <intelikey> i would have said  KDE  rather than kubuntu-desktop also...
[04:07] <soulrider> i must admit i never read a single propietary software licence :P
[04:07] <warhol> darn beryl's wiki is down due to vandalizim : (
[04:08] <robby> how can i click the OK on the java agreement? o.0
[04:08] <rockets> robby, click ok.
[04:08] <intelikey> soulrider that's why
[04:08] <rockets> :-P
[04:08] <Daisuke_Ido> intelikey: why is that?  he was originally asking about what kubuntu was
[04:08] <robby> i tryed :P
[04:08] <Spider> what will that do?
[04:08] <Daisuke_Ido> so i'm showing him
[04:08] <Daisuke_Ido> that will install the kubuntu packages
[04:08] <robby> nothing...it's in the command line
 compiz fusion is the newest effect manager, you can grab it from the repositories listed here http://compiz.org/Compiz_and_Compiz_Fusion_GIT_Ubuntu_Repository
[04:08] <Spider> but i will still have ubuntu?
[04:08] <Daisuke_Ido> after it installs, you can log out of gnome and log in to kde
[04:08] <Daisuke_Ido> yes
[04:09] <Daisuke_Ido> you will have both :)
[04:09] <Spider> 2 mins
[04:09] <Daisuke_Ido> probably longer than that.
[04:09] <Dr_willis_> I have about 9 window managers/desktops installed at the moment.
[04:09] <intelikey> Daisuke_Ido oh i scrolled up and saw "<Spider> whats kde? im kinda new to linux" <<<< and thought that was the Q
[04:09] <Daisuke_Ido> ah
[04:09] <Daisuke_Ido> no harm no foul
[04:09] <warhol> tintin: thanks
[04:09] <soulrider> Dr_willis_: you insane ?
[04:09] <Dr_willis_> soulrider,  i got different reasons for different ones. :)
[04:09] <tinin> tinin ;P
[04:09] <Spider> what was that command again please?
[04:10] <Daisuke_Ido> Dr_willis_: windowmaker, kde, gnome, enlightenment, fluxbox, blackbox, icewm...  i'm out
[04:10] <robby> oh well java is junk anyway
[04:10] <soulrider> Dr_willis_.... bit 9? =/
[04:10] <warhol> tinin: that does work on kubuntu as well, correct?
[04:10] <soulrider> robby: java sint junk
[04:10] <ice9> trying to start automatix2
[04:10] <warhol> tinin: just to be sure im not trippin
[04:10] <Daisuke_Ido> Spider: sudo aptitude install kubuntu-desktop
[04:10] <ice9> I get this
[04:10] <Dr_willis_> Daisuke_Ido,  i like 'matchbox' for some reasons
[04:10] <ice9> Traceback (most recent call last):
[04:10] <ice9>   File "/usr/bin/automatix.py", line 34, in <module>
[04:10] <ice9>     from resin_config import *
[04:10] <ice9>   File "/usr/lib/automatix2/resin_config.py", line 12, in <module>
[04:10] <ice9>     import gtk, gtk.glade
[04:10] <ice9> ImportError: No module named gtk
[04:10] <Dr_willis_> ice9,  do NOT use automatix..
[04:10] <Daisuke_Ido> ice9: you're better off without it.
[04:10] <ice9> k
[04:11] <Dr_willis_> theres very little need for it these days..
[04:11] <BluesKaj> !automatix | ice9
[04:11] <ubotu> ice9: Automatix2 is a script that tries to install some software, and often fails and breaks systems. We don't provide support for it, and we strongly discourage its use. Problems caused by Automatix are often hard to track and solve, and it might sometimes be easier to !install a fresh copy of Ubuntu. See also !WorksForMe
 not so good, it has some errors, but you can try it
[04:11] <Daisuke_Ido> there's nothing it can do these days that you can't already do by default :)
[04:11] <ice9> ouch
[04:11] <ice9> ok sounds good
[04:11] <ice9> thanks
[04:11] <ice9> is there anyway we can try out plasma
[04:11] <ice9> in kde 3.5
[04:11] <Daisuke_Ido> i used automatix in the early days, back when it was a script and just *ran*, installing everything :(  it made my computer sad
[04:12] <soulrider> ice9: i dont think so
[04:12] <soulrider> Daisuke_Ido: LOL
[04:12] <ice9> nice
[04:12] <intelikey> ice9 where did you get automatix?  i want to try it.
[04:12] <ice9> from the site
[04:12] <warhol> tinin: well what's the most stable?
[04:12] <soulrider> Daisuke_Ido: its always a good idea to have an installation you can delete just to test things out
[04:12] <ice9> also I tried the deps too
 none at the moment
[04:12] <Daisuke_Ido> soulrider: i was dual booting at the time :)
[04:12] <warhol> : (
[04:13] <Daisuke_Ido> so even with a sad linux install, it was better than a happy windows one.
[04:13] <soulrider> Daisuke_Ido: with windoors?
[04:13] <warhol> well which one have you had the BEST experience with?
[04:13] <thx1137_> !WorksForMe
[04:13] <ubotu> Common Sense: Just because you can, does not mean you should (and especially recommend to others). Think before you do. "Works for me" does not mean it is ok. The latest version of everything is not always useful if you aim for stability.
[04:13] <ice9> trying to get xen to work
[04:13] <ice9> using an iso of debian etch
[04:13] <Dr_willis_> warhol,  best in what way...
[04:13] <intelikey> there's an automatix site  ;/  ?\
[04:13] <ice9> yep
[04:13] <Dr_willis_> are we still taliong about Beryl.stuff? or window managers in general?
[04:13] <warhol> fancy stuff that works and doesnt crash
[04:14] <Daisuke_Ido> Dr_willis_: so... what's matchbox like?
[04:14] <Spider> Daisuke_ido:> so what's the diffrence between Gnome& kde?
[04:14] <Daisuke_Ido> Spider: the entire philosophy
[04:14] <ice9> kde is flashing gnome is pratical
[04:14] <Dr_willis_> Daisuke_Ido,  its designed for 'handheld' embeded devices. every app is fullscreen. small launcher menu. :)
[04:14] <ice9> flashy
[04:14] <Daisuke_Ido> kde apps tend to be more tightly integrated
[04:14] <soulrider> Spider: theya re just different enviroments, different interfaces
[04:14] <Dr_willis_> Daisuke_Ido,  rather 'odd' for a desktop box. but its ok for what i set it up for, :)
 but just try it, all you need to do once it is installed is to run this command in a console: compiz --replace            you will like it
[04:14] <joey__> Is there a version of fedora with just 1 .iso?
[04:14] <joey__> Im seeing 4 online.
[04:15] <Dr_willis_> matchbox is NOT related to fluxbox/openbox/blackbox
[04:15] <soulrider> joey__: no idea, ask them not us :P
[04:15] <ice9> the dvd
[04:15] <Daisuke_Ido> eww, fedora
[04:15] <warhol> trying compiz right now
[04:15] <Daisuke_Ido> a big difference between gnome and kde is customization.  with gnome, customization options are a little hidden, with kde, it's all laid out
[04:16] <Dr_willis_> install them both.. try them both out.. :)
[04:16] <Dr_willis_> see which one ya end up using the most
[04:16] <Daisuke_Ido> erm...  anyone have anything to add?
[04:16] <Spider> i like customisation
[04:16] <Spider> :)
[04:16] <Dr_willis_> set up a script that runs a random window manager. :)
[04:16] <Daisuke_Ido> that would be interesting
[04:17] <Daisuke_Ido> oh, i bet Dr_willis_ has CDE installed too
[04:17] <Dr_willis_> I make custome 'x sessions' that run specific window managers for specific needs.
[04:17] <Spider> I need to learn some new stuff
[04:17] <Dr_willis_> Daisuke_Ido,  not that one. :)
 it is a long story, but beryl and compiz were the old programs to do this, now they unified and it works very stable, the only problem is that kde is not able to manage well these effects. It will on kde4
[04:17] <Daisuke_Ido> wow
[04:17] <Daisuke_Ido> Spider: you're in the right place
[04:17] <Dr_willis_> gotta love a 'c64' desktop session that loads vice, and geos disks. :)
[04:17] <Daisuke_Ido> ooh
[04:17] <Dr_willis_> or a 'mame' Login session :)
[04:17] <Daisuke_Ido> that's pretty sweer
[04:17] <Daisuke_Ido> sweet
[04:17] <Spider> cool
[04:17] <intelikey> looks like 4 out of 10 links on the automatix.org page have the word ubuntu in them
[04:17] <Daisuke_Ido> how about an amiga login?
[04:17] <robby> im using kde. wen i reboot all my window reopen from last i rebooted. is there a way to keep it from doing that?
[04:18] <Dr_willis_> or 'games' and just a simple window manager with a few game icons on the desktop
[04:18] <Dr_willis_> Daisuke_Ido,  the amiga emulator under Linux is.. well.. lacking in ways. :(
[04:18] <Daisuke_Ido> intelikey: that's because automatix was originally designed for, and is still primatily designed for, ubuntu
[04:18] <Dr_willis_> actually VICE under ubuntu feisty has a bug that makes it unuseable also. :(
[04:18] <Daisuke_Ido> Dr_willis_: UAE isn't up to par?
[04:18] <Daisuke_Ido> :(
[04:18] <intelikey> robby configure it to start with an empty session
[04:18] <Daisuke_Ido> that sucks
[04:18] <Dr_willis_> Daisuke_Ido,  compared to WinUAE - its rather lacking
 yes, but not sure where
[04:19] <Daisuke_Ido> then configure your session to launch WinUAE through wine :D
[04:19] <hambobo> i used wine for installation files but it says `module not found`
[04:19] <robby> intelikey that's what i need a fresh session
[04:19] <Spider> ubuntu I find for a beginer to linux is fairly good I'm just amazed that I've not loaded any cd for any of my devices
[04:19] <Daisuke_Ido> oh, how could i forget xfce :D
[04:19] <Daisuke_Ido> great for low-end machines
[04:20] <robby> intelikey found it in session manager thx
[04:20] <Daisuke_Ido> Spider: and THAT is a huge difference between windows and linux
[04:20] <Dr_willis_> !info ktimer
[04:20] <intelikey> empty is the term, you want
[04:20] <ubotu> ktimer: timer utility for KDE. In component universe, is optional. Version 4:3.5.6-0ubuntu2 (feisty), package size 76 kB, installed size 268 kB
[04:21] <warhol> just gotta restart my xserver now
[04:21] <intelikey> what neet stuff can i do with a printer cable and tons of electronic components......................
[04:22] <Spider> windows for ever dowloading updates, it's sloppy programming
[04:22] <intelikey> robotics   toster controls    rocket launchers  digital camera controllers....        hmmm  ?
[04:23] <intelikey> Spider there seem to be more updates in ubuntu
[04:24] <Spider> since I've had this system 2 weeks Ive just today downloaded 2updates
[04:24] <Daisuke_Ido> intelikey: and there are, because it's not just OS updates, it's repo-installed app updates, as well
[04:25] <Spider> it installed it'self and i had no restart
[04:25] <Spider> easy
[04:25] <intelikey> Daisuke_Ido arent some of the windows updates NON-SYSTEMIC ?
[04:25] <warhol> well
[04:25] <warhol> the compiz effects are workin
[04:25] <Daisuke_Ido> intelikey: only if they're updates for IE or office
[04:25] <Daisuke_Ido> in other words: MS software only
[04:25] <warhol> but i dont have any bars for my windows
[04:25] <Dr_willis_> I love how windows wants me to install the 'curency converter tool' all the time
[04:26] <warhol> you know, the x, minimize, etc
[04:26] <Daisuke_Ido> warhol: nvidia?
[04:26] <warhol> yep
[04:26] <warhol> is that a problem?
[04:26] <Daisuke_Ido> no, but i can tell you how to fix it
[04:26] <warhol> yay
 now configure it in CompizConfig Settings Manager
[04:26] <Spider> dr willis I always had windows installer poping up
[04:26] <warhol> alright
[04:27] <intelikey> Daisuke_Ido heh i guess some things have changed some sense i used windows    (last century)
[04:27] <warhol> what setting do i change?
 wich bars?
[04:27] <tinin> window borders?
[04:27] <warhol> the one on top of all the windows
[04:27] <elite101> why doesnt my kubuntu work? i had it working b4 and then when i go to boot it up the Xserver or something panics? so i overclocked my computer down to 660Mhz and it works fine?
[04:27] <warhol> with close, minimize, maximize
[04:27] <tinin> ah
[04:27] <Dr_willis_> overclocked my computer down to 660Mhz............. Hmmmmmmmmm...
[04:28] <warhol> that's overclocking?
[04:28] <elite101> if i do an overclocking of 750Mhz the kubuntu wont load? but when i go to 660Mhz it works fine (my p3 is 551Mhz original)
[04:28] <Spider> underclocking
 you should install emerald and emerald-themes
[04:28] <warhol> there's nothing i can try right now?
[04:28] <intelikey> dr_willis that's what i'm saying...
[04:29] <Spider> could it be a cooling problem
[04:29] <tinin> you will have to configure the effects you want <warhol>
[04:29] <elite101> lol i have to "underclock" for kubuntu to load i did an 109Mhz increase for 660Mhz its only @ 45c and if i go to 750Mhz its at 49/50 wich is okay fo rme
[04:29] <warhol> i just want my menu bar back : (
[04:29] <elite101> but not for kubuntu?
[04:29] <elite101> any warhol?
[04:29] <elite101> andy warhol*
[04:29] <elite101> lol the famous painter?
[04:29] <warhol> he's dead
[04:30] <elite101> yeah i know
[04:30] <warhol> i could get use to using keyboard shortcuts
[04:30] <warhol> w/e
[04:30] <Daisuke_Ido> Option "AddARGBGLXVisuals" "True"
[04:30] <Spider> pants
[04:30] <Daisuke_Ido> you're going to need that in the "Screen" section of xorg.conf
[04:30] <warhol> is that directed to me?
[04:30] <Daisuke_Ido> there's a command to add it, but i'll be darned if i can remember it right now
[04:30] <Daisuke_Ido> warhol: yes
[04:30] <warhol> kk
[04:31] <Spider> how do I find other chat rooms?
 install all the stuff related to compiz fusion, emerald, aquamarine, and avant-window-navigator
[04:31] <Daisuke_Ido> avant-window-navigator?
[04:31] <tinin> or something like that
[04:31] <tinin> awn
[04:32] <Daisuke_Ido> yeah, what IS it
[04:32] <warhol> uhh, that option is already set to true
[04:32] <Daisuke_Ido> install emerald-themes
 you should try, it is an animated menu similar to macox
[04:32] <intelikey> spider /join #blah      you could /list    but you better filter it cause it may dos you
[04:32] <warhol> Option "AddARGBGLXVisuals" "True"
[04:32] <warhol> is set to true
[04:32] <warhol> already was there
[04:32] <warhol> ill try emerald
[04:33] <Spider> dos?
[04:33] <Daisuke_Ido> emerald-themes should help you out
[04:33] <Daisuke_Ido> denial of service
[04:33] <Daisuke_Ido> basically flood you with information to the point you disconnect
[04:33] <Spider> that's not good!
[04:33] <Daisuke_Ido> no, no it's not
[04:33] <tinin> http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3875372171296774565&hl=es <Daisuke_Ido>
[04:33] <warhol> arent dos attacks easily avoided?
[04:33] <Daisuke_Ido> it's not really an attach though
[04:33] <Daisuke_Ido> attack
[04:34] <Spider> more of a tickle?
[04:34] <intelikey> warhol yes    and invoked
[04:34] <warhol> heh, true
[04:34] <mike> Greets, everyone...
[04:34] <Daisuke_Ido> tinin: it's a dock
[04:34] <Daisuke_Ido> a very nice looking one
[04:35] <tinin> yeah
[04:35] <Daisuke_Ido> how stable is it?
[04:35] <Daisuke_Ido> because that would be awesome with my new kde look :D
[04:35] <intelikey> put it like this   issuing   /list     on freenode.net is a first person shooter game  :)
[04:35] <tinin> I did not tried it lately
[04:35] <tinin> i'll see
[04:35] <mike> Is doing "sudo reboot now" any less clean than rebooting from within KDE (e.g., if other apps are running)?
[04:36] <Daisuke_Ido> mike: nah, still sends it to runlevel 6...  it'll keep your session, afaik
[04:36] <mike> Daisuke_Ido: Cool, thanks
[04:36] <XcercaX> is there a way to install yumex in ubuntu,  i had it in fedora but can't figure out how yo get in ububtu
[04:36] <Spider> why is this download so long!!!
[04:36] <Daisuke_Ido> Spider: because there's a lot to download :D
[04:36] <Dr_willis_> Darn it. got a 'cdi' cd image file...
[04:36] <warhol> alright, installing emerald now
[04:36] <mike> Has anyone here successfully compiled the latest ATI driver from GIT? The one in the repos doesn't do 3D accel. on my card.
[04:36] <Dr_willis_> !find cdi
[04:36] <ubotu> Found: libcdio-dev, libcdio6, docdiff, gstreamer0.8-cdio, libcdio-cdda-dev (and 6 others)
[04:37] <Daisuke_Ido> Dr_willis_: acetone-iso
[04:37] <Soulwarp> XcercaX ubuntu uses a different package handler
[04:37] <Dr_willis_> !info acetone-iso
[04:37] <ubotu> Package acetone-iso does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas
[04:37] <Dr_willis_> Daisuke_Ido,  k3b cant burn them eh?
[04:37] <Daisuke_Ido> nope
[04:37] <Daisuke_Ido> acetone will convert for you
[04:37] <Dr_willis_> How annoying.
[04:37] <warhol> restarting xserver...now
[04:37] <dmuser> Does anyone know how I install ndiswrapper off of a cd?
[04:37] <Daisuke_Ido> !info acetoneiso
[04:37] <XcercaX> so just use synaptic and apt-get then ?
[04:37] <ubotu> Package acetoneiso does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas
[04:37] <Daisuke_Ido> oh it most certainly does too!
[04:38] <Soulwarp> XcercaX apt-get is like yum
[04:38] <Daisuke_Ido> except it doesn't use evil rpms :)
[04:38] <warhol> installed emerald
[04:38] <Spider> Daisuke_ido:> will wine work with kubuntu?
[04:39] <Soulwarp> yes
[04:39] <warhol> but now the compiz effects arent working anymore
[04:39] <Daisuke_Ido> Spider: oh yes
[04:39] <intelikey> !botsnack
[04:39] <ubotu> Yum! Err, I mean, APT!
[04:39] <Daisuke_Ido> warhol: you'll need to start compiz
[04:39] <warhol> compiz in the terminal?
[04:39] <Daisuke_Ido> compiz --replace
[04:39] <Daisuke_Ido> yes
[04:39] <XcercaX> what do you use to get wine onto ubuntu ?
[04:39] <Dragnslcr> XcercaX- Adept does it quite well
[04:40] <warhol> yeah, now i dont have the menu bars
[04:40] <Soulwarp> instead of rpms ubuntu uses the debian package system
[04:40] <Daisuke_Ido> start emerald
[04:40] <Daisuke_Ido> emerald --replace
[04:40] <tinin> emerald --replace
[04:40] <XcercaX> do you have to add any new repositories ?
[04:40] <Dragnslcr> !info wine
[04:40] <Daisuke_Ido> nope, they're all in place already
[04:40] <ubotu> wine: Microsoft Windows Compatibility Layer (Binary Emulator and Library). In component universe, is optional. Version 0.9.33-0ubuntu1 (feisty), package size 9576 kB, installed size 44452 kB
[04:40] <tinin> or you could use aquamarine, wich matches the kde theme
[04:40] <Daisuke_Ido> okay, avant is gorgeous.
[04:40] <Dragnslcr> Pretty sure universe is enabled by default
[04:40] <intelikey> XcercaX or synaptic or aptitude or apt-get
[04:40] <Soulwarp> XcercaX there are all there, even the universal
[04:40] <warhol> allright
[04:40] <warhol> thanks
[04:41] <warhol> got my bars now
[04:41] <Daisuke_Ido> but i get the same thing with that i did with kiba-dock :\
[04:41] <intelikey> dselect maybe
[04:41] <Daisuke_Ido> a black bar over the bottom portion of the screen, with the doc atop that
[04:41] <mike> XcercaX: If you want the latest version of Wine, you can find the repo at winehq.org
[04:41] <Spider> is 59.4kb/s fast?
[04:41] <mike> depends on the country you're in. :-P
[04:41] <Dragnslcr> kb/s or KB/s?
[04:42] <Spider> kB/s
[04:42] <Dragnslcr> Yeah, that's decent
[04:42] <Dr_willis_> Daisuke_Ido,  hmm kiso is supposed to be able to convert cdi to iso.. the question is will the converted one WORK in the dreamcast i got. :)
[04:42] <Dragnslcr> Not exceptionally fast, but not particularly slow
[04:42] <XcercaX> i think i will have to do that,  i searched synaptic and adept for wine and got no results,   i'm having no lucking finding anything,  thats why i wanted to use yumex,  but i probobly just don't have adept set up right
[04:42] <Soulwarp> mmm i remember dreamcast
[04:42] <Dragnslcr> XcercaX- using Adept?
[04:43] <Dr_willis_> picked one up at a used-game shop. :)
[04:43] <Daisuke_Ido> Dr_willis_: NOW you're talking my language :D
[04:43] <Daisuke_Ido> it will not
[04:43] <Daisuke_Ido> use discjuggler in wine
[04:43] <Dr_willis_> ok :)
[04:43] <Dr_willis_> ya got to wonder WTH they are doing with those cd image files.
[04:44] <Soulwarp> Dr_willis_ be careful a lot of them had cooling issues and been known to reboot when overheated
[04:44] <Spider> can I connect up my ps2
[04:44] <elite101> hey i installed a PCI network card doubbled as a sound card and my "sound/mutimedia devices" in the controll panel are set to auto detect hardware but it still shows an X on the Kmix in the systray?
[04:44] <XcercaX> yea,  i see Wine in Adept but's it's grayed out, like i can't mark it for installation
[04:44] <intelikey> !repos | XcercaX your sources.list may need this page...
[04:44] <ubotu> XcercaX your sources.list may need this page...: The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[04:44] <Dr_willis_> Daisuke_Ido,  use diskjuggler to burn them? or to convert them?
[04:44] <Dragnslcr> XcercaX- that's weird, I don't think I've ever seen anything grayed out in Adept
[04:44] <XcercaX> alright,  thanks guys,  i'll try those
[04:45] <elite101> ^
[04:45] <Soulwarp> :)
[04:46] <XcercaX> yea,  i know,   i just switched from fedora today to get a program running...   just taking some time getting everything set up
[04:46] <elite101> hey i installed a PCI network card doubbled as a sound card and my "sound/mutimedia devices" in the controll panel are set to auto detect hardware but it still shows an X on the Kmix in the systray?
[04:47] <warhol> i installed emerald
[04:47] <elite101> xD
[04:47] <Spider> help
[04:48] <warhol> but now when i try emerald --replace it works
[04:48] <elite101> no help me i havent had sound for like 3days and i tried 3diffrent cards
[04:48] <warhol> but in the console im getting (emerald:16849): Wnck-WARNING **: Unhandled action type (nil)
[04:48] <Spider> terminal's doin some strange stuff from that sudo apigate thing
[04:48] <XcercaX> i can't even manage repositores in Adept,  when i klick adept in the program the only option is quit...    ,     mabey i have somthing wrong,   is my user password the same as the root/su password for progams and console ?
[04:49] <BluesKaj> same as yer login
[04:49] <BluesKaj> usually
[04:49] <warhol> and then when i close the terminal the emerald themes go away
[04:49] <warhol> and it back to no bars
[04:49] <Soulwarp> XcercaX it's usually the same PW
[04:49] <XcercaX> thats what i thought,   is that the same as the su  pass ?
[04:50] <Soulwarp> XcercaX yes
[04:50] <BluesKaj> sudo
[04:50] <Soulwarp> XcercaX sudo give admin rights to a action in the console
[04:50] <Spider> daisuke_ido> ive got configuring kdm select the dfault display manager
 it is the way it is
[04:51] <Daisuke_Ido> Spider: no
[04:51] <Daisuke_Ido> leave gdm for now
[04:51] <Daisuke_Ido> the difference is integration
[04:51] <Soulwarp> XcercaX instead of having to log into root account
[04:51] <intelikey> XcercaX no.   sudo uses the issuing users password   su uses the target users password
[04:52] <XcercaX> ok,   it's ok,  i'm just an idiot,   i was using adept installer and thought it was the same as adept package manager
[04:52] <BluesKaj> it is
[04:53] <Dragnslcr> Sort of
 but there's a compiz tray icon useful to control it, i found it somewhere, but those questions you can talk them at #ubuntu-effects
[04:53] <Spider> daisuke_ido can I just exit the terminal?
[04:53] <Dragnslcr> Installer has categories and applications, Manager lists all packages individually
[04:53] <Daisuke_Ido> Spider: if it's all done, yes
[04:53] <BluesKaj> adept updater is the one that breaks things , try to avoid it ...it will be sitting in the panel telling to update something when you logon
[04:54] <Daisuke_Ido> then log out, and select kde from the session menu, and lock back in :)
[04:54] <Dragnslcr> I've never had the updater break anything
[04:54] <Daisuke_Ido> log*
[04:54] <intelikey> and i'm lagging like ninty five minutes or something so if i answer something that was asked yesterday don't think anything of it....
[04:54] <warhol> #ubuntu-effects
[04:54] <warhol> crap
[04:54] <Soulwarp> i had adept fix a few broken packages
[04:54] <Dragnslcr> Missed a /join
[04:55] <BluesKaj> one has to be carewf ul with it , cuz it doesn't track dependencies as well as it should when caslling for a package update
[04:56] <BluesKaj> mispelling is worse now...getting tired , sacktime ...  nite gents, take care :)
[04:56] <mike> What's the line in /etc/network/interfaces under which everything should be commented out?
[04:58] <intelikey> lo
[04:59] <Soulwarp> mike what are you trying to do?
[05:00] <mike> Soulwarp: Get my wireless card working. For some reason, just doing "sudo apt-get install bcm43xx-fwcutter" isn't *just working* on this one. it's a bcm4318
[05:02] <Soulwarp> i havn't tryed installing a wlan
[05:03] <XcercaX> how can you change the write permisions to a file?
[05:03] <intelikey> !wifi
[05:03] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[05:03] <elite101> #kubuntu-offtopic   (dont mind this)
[05:03] <mike> XcercaX: Right-click -> properties in Konqueror, or chmod
[05:03] <intelikey> XcercaX you probably don't want to,   but chmod  is the command
[05:04] <intelikey> XcercaX you probably want to edit it as root rather than changing it's prems....   just a guess.       kdesu kate /path/to/file.name
[05:06] <XcercaX> i'm actualy just trying to install the nvidia driver for my video card,  some of the things i read said to run sudo nvidia-glx-config enable  after installing that package,  and the return is
[05:06] <XcercaX> dit manually /etc/X11/xorg.conf to change the Driver section
[05:06] <XcercaX> from nv to nvidia.
[05:07] <Soulwarp> XcercaX you can change it using system settings
[05:07] <Soulwarp> after you install the driver
[05:07] <Soulwarp> that's what i did
[05:08] <Soulwarp> system settings is located in the k menu
[05:08] <intelikey> yeah or      kdesu kate /etc/X11/xorg.conf           but don't monkey with perms on files in /etc
[05:09] <XcercaX> SoulWarp   thanks  ,   work with that
[05:09] <mike> Sometimes a random key on my keyboard "sticks" - it's been released but it acts like it hasn't and rapidly repeats the keypress. Any ideas?
[05:10] <dsmith_> new keyboard
[05:10] <soulrider> lol
[05:10] <mike> it's a laptop
[05:10] <soulrider> mike: i doubt its a software issue
[05:10] <mike> and it doesn't do it in windows :X
[05:10] <intelikey> or clean it
[05:10] <dsmith_> same, replace w/ new keypad
[05:10] <soulrider> oh
[05:10] <CDX> Hi! I've just installed Kubuntu AMD64 7.04 on my system to replace my old Ubuntu Feisty system. But it just dies after I log in to the fresch system, It said that the KDE first login wizzard coud'nt launch. Any ideas?
[05:10] <dsmith_> hmmmmm
[05:10] <Soulwarp> XcercaX in system settings monitor & display>hardware>administrator mode (to change nv-nvidia)
[05:10] <dsmith_> its windows fault obviously
[05:11] <mike> lol
[05:11] <intelikey> mike oh it that ati chipset thing...  eeek
[05:11] <mike> intelikey: that had crossed my mind, wasn't sure though
[05:11] <intelikey> i don't recall what i had to do to stop that
[05:11] <dsmith_> what laptop make and model?
[05:11] <mike> intelikey: it's the same with the FGLRX driver?
[05:11] <XcercaX> alright,  let me reset xwindows
[05:11] <intelikey> oh yeah i had to change from 64 to 32 bit linux
[05:12] <mike> pavilion dv8309us
[05:12] <dsmith_> wow new one
[05:12] <mike> i'm already on 32, although it's a turion 64
[05:12] <intelikey> mike it's not the vidio driver its the mboard chipset
[05:12] <mike> oh. hmm
[05:12] <dsmith_> I wonder if anyone else had this problem befoe
[05:13] <dsmith_> did you do any research on it
[05:13] <intelikey> mike umm trying to remember if i did anything else...
[05:14] <intelikey> dsmith_ me   heck no  i just banged around in the /etc dir till i stopped the problem    heh
[05:14] <mike> dsmith_: googling "pavilion 8309 keyboard ubuntu" returns two results, neither of any help
[05:15] <Soulwarp> on my pc when that happens i usually junk it for another brand...hard to do with a laptop
[05:16] <mike> it's on my grandfather's laptop and he didn't mention anything about it, so i'd imagine it doesn't do it that often. just something i noticed
[05:17] <dsmith_> mike: I dont know what to say
[05:17] <Soulwarp> maybe something in the physical keyboard if all else fails
[05:17] <mike> dsmith_, Soulwarp, thanks anyway
[05:17] <Soulwarp> :/
[05:17] <intelikey> mike i honestly don't recall what "if anything" besides changing from 64 to 32 bit i did,   i remmeber it drove me crazy   frame buffering was hosed so i couldn't access a 'visable' console  and inside of x the keyboard was wac.        heh it was a brand new lappy with vesta on it,  i booted a live cd and issued cat /dev/zero > /dev/hda   and went to work...   the guy that owns it is quite satisfied with the end result  bu
[05:18] <dsmith_> I would be really interested if you could image that drive to an exact laptop and try it, but thats kinda hard to do
[05:19] <dsmith_> M$
[05:19] <intelikey> probably is M4
[05:19] <Soulwarp> what key is it? and is it always the same one?
[05:20] <intelikey> Soulwarp was random on the one i'm talking about
[05:20] <mike> Soulwarp: nope, it's random.
[05:20] <Soulwarp> ah
[05:20] <dsmith_> wow
[05:21] <intelikey> DRM did it!    it's all fritz' fault.
[05:21] <dsmith_> HP hardware detects linux so it decides to mess with you. "Dude, lets mess with the human by locking up various keys. That will teach him."
[05:22] <dsmith_> yea, DRM
[05:24] <intelikey> well M$  DRM   saten maybe...   </shrugs>
[05:24] <intelikey> it's all evil.
[05:24] <soulrider> m$ sucks
[05:24] <mike> umm... i hate windows as much as anyone else here, but isn't it a little silly to say the keyboard not working properly in linux is an m$ problem?
[05:25] <soulrider> i tried vista the other day,t he only thing i liked was the eye candy... and not that much...
[05:25] <mike> vista's eye-candy is garbage next to Compiz-Fusion
[05:25] <Soulwarp> remember the winmodems back in the day?
[05:25] <soulrider> it took me over a minute to figure out how to save a file someone was sending me to the desktop... talk about bad usability
[05:26] <elite101> what is the line to install java run time 6
[05:26] <wolferine> what can I use to get info on a video file?
[05:26] <mike> elite101: "sudo apt-get install sun-java6-jre" - you probably want sun-java6-plugin also
[05:26] <wolferine> codecs, audio, framerates, video, etc...
[05:26] <elite101> k
[05:27] <intelikey> wolferine file maybe ?
[05:28] <wolferine> no, more specific about a movie file
[05:29] <wolferine> idvid, I got it :)
[05:29] <Soulwarp> wolferine right click it>properties>meta info
[05:29] <Soulwarp> kk
[05:30] <pookito> what is up?
[05:30] <Soulwarp> me...i should be sleeping
[05:30] <Soulwarp> :)
[05:30] <intelikey> tov yom Soulwarp
[05:38] <intelikey> hmmm why do people writing shell scripts repete echo on each line ?     that seems so....  wrong.
[05:40] <mike> wow. even i don't do it that way, and i'm a script-noob :-P
[05:44] <Soulwarp> anyone ever use the Keep application?
[05:44] <Soulwarp> system backup
[05:47] <mrksbrd1> has anybody attempted to use a verizon aircard under linux?
[05:49] <Soulwarp> mrksbrd1 http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=506330
[05:50] <Soulwarp> hope that helps
[05:58] <dfrey> How do I change my keyboard layout setting?  I think it detected it wrong when I installed because my apostrophe does not work.
[06:00] <Soulwarp> dfrey try system settings>keyboard &mouse
[06:00] <Soulwarp> in the k menu
[06:01] <Soulwarp> hm don't think that's it
[06:02] <Dragnslcr> System Settings -> Regional and Language
[06:05] <AlabamaSlamma> I just installed kubuntu, I tried both the cd and the dvdrom and I have it running, but I get an error when I click on the desktop settings
[06:05] <lorderunion> hi. i'm having a problem with my nic on a gateway m680 laptop. running the live cd i am able to access the internet, but running off of the hard drive it no longer works.
[06:05] <AlabamaSlamma> it keeps complaining that a power application caused a failure
[06:06] <mike> lorderunion: what kind of wireless card is it?
[06:06] <AlabamaSlamma> I finished setting up my dual head configuration by hand editing the xorg.conf
[06:06] <lorderunion> mike: it's a hardwired card. and i don't know. this is my girlfriends laptop.
[06:06] <lorderunion> mike: is there a way i can see the name of the hardware?
[06:07] <mike> lorderunion: check the output of of "lspci" in Konsole
[06:07] <Nutubuntu> Hello room ... what is the KDE way to set up a program to run when I start my session?
[06:07] <mike> Nutubuntu: Run command -> konqueror ~/.kde/Autostart and drag and drop from KMenu into that folder
[06:08] <Nutubuntu> t/y mike :)
[06:08] <mike> np
[06:08] <lorderunion> on netextreme bcm5705_2 gigabit ethnernet (rev 03
[06:08] <lorderunion> broadcom netextreme*
[06:09] <mike> lorderunion: hmm... there's a package that contains the source for the driver, not sure how hard it would be to compile
[06:09] <dfrey> Dragnslcr: thanks
[06:09] <mike> you might google around for that model card and "ubuntu"
[06:09] <ubuntu__> hi
[06:09] <lorderunion> mike: any idea why it would work on the live cd, and not on an install?
[06:09] <ubuntu__> can anybody help me that
[06:09] <ubuntu__> iam trying to install
[06:09] <ubuntu__> ubuntu 7.04 on
[06:10] <ubuntu__> intel 845gvsr board
[06:10] <mike> lorderunion: if i had to guess, i'd say it loads restricted modules on the live cd that aren't actually part of the installation, but i don't know
[06:11] <lorderunion> hmm interesting
[06:11] <lorderunion> thanks for the help.
[06:12] <el_isma> anyone uses TeXmacs? how do I automatically reference an equation? (numbered by Alt+*)
[06:12] <mike> np. try installing that package (bcm5700-source) and looking at the files it installed. that's probably all you need
[06:13] <mike> lorderunion: if you try that, you might want to run "sudo apt-get build-dep bcm5700-source" before trying to compile it
[06:15] <lorderunion> mike: sure thing.
[06:15] <Kr4t05> Guh... Anyone want to help me chase issues with gConf?
[06:15] <lorderunion> mike: says it could not open /var/lib/apt/lists/us.archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_feisty_main_source_Sources
[06:16] <lorderunion> mike: no such file or dir.
[06:16] <mm_202> Can ALSA only be used by one program at a time??
[06:17] <Kr4t05> I get this error when I start up gconf-editor and I can't seem to figure it out: http://pastebin.com/m6bbe7555
[06:17] <el_isma> mm_202: no, alsa should share among all programs using it
[06:18] <mm_202> el_isma: thanks, I guess I just have something jacked up, it seems that only the Sound Test (from the Sound System panel) works, or Amarok or only feasival, but never inter-mixed.
[06:18] <mike> lorderunion: what did you run to get that output?
[06:18] <ubuntu__> pls help me
[06:18] <mm_202> I've had sound problems before and had to reinstall all asound alsa pkgs to fix it, but I guess I still missed somethiung
[06:18] <lorderunion> mike: sudo apt-get bcm5700-source
[06:19] <ubuntu__> iam trying to install ubuntu fiest fawn on my 845gvsr desktop
[06:19] <ubuntu__> iam unable to do that
[06:19] <lorderunion> mike: sudo apt-get build-deo bcm5700-source ** sorry. trying to multitask here
[06:19] <mm_202> ubuntu__: what error(s) are you getting?
[06:20] <el_isma> mm_202: you could try setting the default to ALSA (in sound setup). If anything uses OSS then it only plays from that program.
[06:20] <Kr4t05> Anyone got any clues as to my problem above?
[06:21] <intelikey> Kr4t05 i did look  but no clue.
[06:21] <Kr4t05> Drat...
[06:21] <mike> lorderunion: you mean build-dep, right? works fine here. sounds like somethings wrong with your APT :-\
[06:22] <lorderunion> mike: crap. what should i do then?
[06:22] <mm_202> el_isma: Okay, I will try that.  Is there a command to restart alsa?  Sometimes when I click 'Apply' in Sound System, it brings up the 'Restarting Sound System' dialog but when it hits a 100% it just restarts at 0%, indefiitely.
[06:23] <el_isma> mm_202: sudo ./etc/init.d/alsa-utils restart
[06:23] <mike> lorderunion: what's "sudo apt-get install bcm5700-source" give you?
[06:23] <el_isma> mm_202: though I'm not sure how much of it gets restarted
[06:23] <lorderunion> mike: couldn't find package bcm5700-source
[06:23] <mike> sudo apt-get update?
[06:24] <mike> can you pastebin your sources.list?
[06:24] <mike> (it's in /etc/apt)
[06:24] <mm_202> el_isma:  It seems that all my sound problems started when I checked the 'Enable Networked Sound' box, its unchecked now, but still seems buggy.  Does alsa have a conf file that I can edit manually?
[06:24] <lorderunion> mike: cant run apt-get update because i dont have a net connection on the laptop (im on my desktop atm
[06:25] <mike> oh, well that's probably why you're getting errors. heh
[06:25] <el_isma> mm_202: not that I know of
[06:25] <lorderunion> heh. is there any way i can download the driver, burn it onto a cd?
[06:25] <mike> lorderunion: no ethernet jack on the laptop?
[06:25] <lorderunion> yeah. that's what im trying to get to work, lol.
[06:26] <mike> lorderunion: i thought you were trying to get the wireless connection on it to work
[06:26] <mm_202> el_isma:  the settings have to be stored somewhere :/  lol, KDE doesnt have like a Windows-like regedit does it? :P
[06:27] <lorderunion> oh no. wireless appears to be fine, there's just no unprotected networks around here to try to connect to.
[06:27] <el_isma> mm_202: wash your mouth! :P
[06:27] <mike> mm_202: everything's kept in its own file in kde.
[06:27] <el_isma> mm_202: KDE doesn't store alsa's info, alsa is separated from KDE.
[06:27] <mike> and in linux for that matter
[06:28] <mike> lorderunion: oh ok
[06:28] <mm_202> mike: lol, I know, was just a bad joke :)
[06:28] <mike> mm_202: oh ok. heh :-)
[06:28] <mm_202> Okay, I'll google around till I find the file(s).  You guys want me to post it in here, fyi?
[06:28] <el_isma> mm_202: yes, please
[06:28] <mike> mm_202: sure
[06:28] <lorderunion> mike: i'm going to try to burn the bcm5700-source package to a cd and try it on the laptop
[06:28] <mike> lorderunion: i don't think that's what you need
[06:29] <mike> lorderunion: can you pastebin the output of lspci?
[06:29] <raylu> <3 xming
[06:29] <lorderunion> i can, but i'll need to manually write everything here
[06:30] <mike> oh yeah... duh. heh, sorry
[06:30] <mike> because i'm thinking the broadcom card in there is the wireless one
[06:31] <lorderunion> it's not. the wireless is an intel corp pro/wireless 2200bg
[06:31] <mike> oh, nevermind. just re-read what you said a second ago
[06:31] <lorderunion> k
[06:31] <intelikey> is /usr/bin/su-to-root ever used  ?
[06:31] <raylu> o.0?
[06:31] <raylu> for what?
[06:32] <raylu> i dont even have that file
[06:33] <mike> lorderunion: on the desktop, do this: "sudo apt-get clean" - that'll clear the cache of downloaded packages so what we're about to get won't get mixed up with everything else...
[06:34] <intelikey> really ?
[06:34] <lorderunion> ok
[06:34] <lorderunion> done
[06:34] <mike> lorderunion: now do "sudo apt-get -d install bcm5700-source" then "sudo apt-get -d build-dep bcm5700-source"
[06:34] <intelikey> it's just a script    i didn't think anything ever used it, just wonedred why it was there.
[06:36] <lorderunion> mike: damnit. it's saying i dont have module-assistant installed
[06:37] <mike> lorderunion: actually, my fault. take the "-d" out of the build-dep command - you'll just want to take note of what it installs and remove it once you're done with all this
[06:38] <Nutubuntu> Kr4t05: Did you run across this while trying to work out the issue: http://lists.ximian.com/pipermail/users/2003-April/008919.html
[06:38] <mike> lorderunion: sudo apt-get install module-assistant ?
[06:39] <Kr4t05> Nutubuntu: Yeah...
[06:39] <lorderunion> couldn't find module-assistant
[06:39] <mike> on the desktop?
[06:39] <Nutubuntu> :/   was hoping some of that might have made sense somehow ... not that it does to me though
[06:39] <mike> that you're currently connect to the internet on?
[06:39] <mike> connected*
[06:39] <Kr4t05> Nutubuntu: I don't see how that helps me, because I don't use Nautilus... >>
[06:40] <Nutubuntu> there was some gconf involvement though
[06:40] <lorderunion> oh. i thought i was running this on the laptop. my b ad
[06:40] <Kr4t05> Nutubuntu: Well, if it doesn't make sense, don't bother trying to help...
[06:40] <Nutubuntu> K ... good luck to you, anyhow.
[06:40] <mike> pfft
[06:41] <mike> lorderunion: np
[06:41] <lorderunion> ok i can both of those successfully.
[06:41] <lorderunion> i ran*
[06:43] <mike> lorderunion: ok, now "sudo apt-get install aptoncd" then run aptoncd, make an iso containing all the packages it has listed and burn it
[06:43] <Nutubuntu> g'night all -
[06:43] <mike> g'nite
[06:44] <lorderunion> mike: awesome.
[06:44] <mike> lorderunion: once that's done, pop the cd in the laptop and from there run "sudo apt-cdrom add && sudo apt-get update" and then you'll be able to build-dep and install bcm5700-source
[06:45] <intelikey> ok i edited /usr/bin/su-to-root (reformat mostly) and it tries to make using su in an X env sane.  so i think i'll leave it there for now,  i can always rm it later
[06:45] <mike> aptoncd's a nice little app. you might get some other good uses out of that
[06:45] <lorderunion> sounds good
[06:46] <mike> lorderunion: have you ever compiled anything from source?
[06:46] <lorderunion> yeah back when i ran slackware for a while.
[06:47] <mike> lorderunion: probably asking this a bit late, but you already checked everything in the Network section of System Settings, right?
[06:47] <el_isma> what's a good alternative to Derive? (Computer Algebra System)
[06:48] <lorderunion> yeah that's all fine. it see's the eth0 ethernet nic. i just can't connect to my router
[06:48] <mike> ok. i'm just gonna feel like an asshole if you go through all this and it doesn't fix it. :-\
[06:49] <swilson> does any of those links show how to install things?
[06:49] <mike> swilson: what are you trying to install?
[06:50] <lorderunion> mike: damn. got the module-assistant problem with the pkgcd. time to run build-dep on module-assistant and build another cd?
[06:50] <swilson> anything lol i cant install no programs
[06:50] <allin__> swilson: http://usbuntuguide.org
[06:50] <allin__> http://ubuntuguide.org
[06:50] <lorderunion> mike: and lol. hopefully it'll fix it.
[06:52] <mike> lorderunion: hrmm... you could just burn the packages straight to a cd, copy them over, and do "sudo dpkg -i /path/to/packages/*.deb"
[06:52] <mike> the aptoncd method feels cleaner to me, but that should work too
[06:53] <lorderunion> path to packages being the cd mount?
[06:53] <elite101> good nite
[06:53] <mike> lorderunion: there aren't any wifi hotspots in your town?
[06:54] <khaije1> so how can i check to see if a hw purchase is linux compatible?
[06:54] <khaije1> is the ubuntu hwdb searchalble?
[06:54] <lorderunion> there are a bunch in my apartment complex. just the one that my girlfriend usually connects to isn't completely working. it stops at the
[06:54] <lorderunion> activation stage of "ip configuration started"
[06:55] <lorderunion> or rather, sits there for a minute or so then dies
[06:55] <mike> lorderunion: hangs at 28%, or 57%?
[06:55] <lorderunion> 57% heh
[06:56] <swilson> does linux work only in command prompt thingys?
[06:56] <el_isma> lorderunion: That network might have MAC filtering
[06:56] <lorderunion> ah! i got in!
[06:56] <lorderunion> yayz!
[06:56] <mike> hmm... are you sure the card's working properly? when mine is getting stuck at that step, it's not because of the connection point.
[06:56] <mike> it connected on the wireless?
[06:56] <lorderunion> yeah
[06:57] <lorderunion> im going to get everything updated as fast as i can before it stops working and i cant download the driver, heh
[06:57] <mike> nice. now you can just install and build-dep bcm5700-source and then all you need to do is compile it
[06:57] <el_isma> swilson: what do you mean? have you tried kubuntu? if you don't want to install, try the livecd
[06:57] <lorderunion> sweet.
[06:58] <swilson> i want my windows xp back but my uncle installed kubuntu
[06:58] <swilson> and i tried to watch youtube but i need flash players and stuff and i dont know how to install them
[06:58] <swilson> i got my divxinstaller to say -rwxr-xr-x i was proud of myself
[06:58] <se7en^Of^9> can someone help me with the find command ... i use find to find me all .jpg files and want to pipe the found jpg's to rename but i cant figure out how to do it ...  find -name "*jpg" -exec mv folder.jpg '{}' \;   this doesn't work and i have no idea anymore
[06:58] <swilson> then i got stuck
[06:59] <mike> swilson: there's a point-and-click way to do almost everything in kubuntu, but the "command prompt thingy" is easier when someone's explaining to you what to do
[06:59] <el_isma> swilson: try reading ubuntuguide.org
[06:59] <swilson> i like the point and click idea
[06:59] <swilson> i am reading that site now
[06:59] <swilson> i dont understand the command stuff
[07:00] <lorderunion> mike: didnt
[07:00] <mike> swilson: neither did i when i first started. ;-)
[07:00] <lorderunion> mike: didnt need to run build-dep, it installed fine. time to see if it worked
[07:00] <mike> lorderunion: ?
[07:00] <mike> lorderunion: you compiled it already?
[07:01] <lorderunion> mike: it installed the package.
[07:01] <mike> lorderunion: from the way i understood it, that doesn't install the driver
[07:02] <lorderunion> ah, heh ok. yeah, now "wired networks" is disabled in knetworkmanager
[07:02] <mike> lorderunion: i just read the long desc. of the package. it only contains the source
[07:02] <mike> lorderunion: you have to compile it
[07:02] <mike> which means you should build-dep it first
[07:02] <lorderunion> k. thought i had found some loophole, heh
[07:02] <mike> !bulid-dep
[07:02] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about bulid-dep - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:02] <mike> hehe
[07:02] <lorderunion> lol
[07:03] <mike> build-dep tries to install all the packages a source package needs for it to compile properly
[07:03] <lorderunion> ok. running build-dep now. installl-----yeah
[07:03] <lorderunion> crap. i need to connect back to the wireless again
[07:04] <se7en^Of^9> someone see a mistake here i don't see?  find -name "*jpg" -exec mv * folder.jpg '{}' \;
[07:04] <lorderunion> encapsulate your exec in `
[07:05] <lorderunion> mike: thanks for being patient. i'm not all that great with hardware these days.
[07:05] <mike> heh, no problem
[07:06] <se7en^Of^9> lorderunion: it comes up with   mv: target `./Evil Empire/AlbumArtSmall.jpg' is not a directory
[07:07] <el_isma> se7en^Of^9: check your quotes
[07:08] <lorderunion> mike: ok i got the build-dep done.
[07:08] <el_isma> se7en^Of^9: or escape your spaces with "\" for example: Evil\ Empire
[07:09] <intelikey> tab vompletion
[07:09] <intelikey> completion maybe
[07:10] <mike> lorderunion: ok... now just look in Adept to find out where bcm5700-source installed its files to (i'm sure there's a command-line equivalent to find that out, but i don't know it) and compile
[07:11] <lorderunion> mike: will do
[07:14] <lorderunion> mike: Makefile:52: *** Links kernel source tree not found. Stop.
[07:15] <lorderunion> mike: i copied the tar.gz to my home directory to compile it
[07:15] <mike> lorderunion: do you have kernel-package installed?
[07:16] <lorderunion> no, heh
[07:16] <mike> not sure if you need it
[07:16] <mike> the desc. of bcm5700-source mentions it. :-\
[07:16] <lorderunion> just installed, ran make again and it failed on the same error
[07:16] <mike> there's no documentation with bcm5700?
[07:16] <lorderunion> i went to /usr/src and tried to untar the tar.gz and i got a bunch of errors with that
[07:17] <lorderunion> nvm. wasn't sudo
[07:17] <lorderunion> damnit. same error when running it within /usr/src.
[07:18] <intelikey> well i guess i'll try and run the .run file   i think i already know what will transit
[07:18] <mike> what about when you extracted in ~? any docs?
[07:18] <lorderunion> any what?
[07:19] <mike> documentation
[07:19] <lorderunion> ill brbrq
[07:20] <intelikey> oh kewl        WARNING: Skipping the runlevel check (the utility `runlevel` failed to
[07:20] <intelikey>            run).
[07:20] <intelikey> i really should fix that.    i know im in runlevel nine but the system doesn't seem too
[07:22] <Daisuke_Ido> i just showed a quasi-friend the compositing window managers, and he's a "one-upper
[07:22] <Daisuke_Ido> "
[07:22] <Daisuke_Ido> you all know the type, i'm sure
[07:22] <mike> one-upper?
[07:23] <Daisuke_Ido> "well, i can do that in windows AND play games"
[07:23] <Daisuke_Ido> nice try, putz...
[07:23] <mike> *snort*
[07:23] <Daisuke_Ido> a one-upper
[07:24] <Daisuke_Ido> anything you say, he can beat :\
[07:24] <intelikey> hey i have a question.   i downloaded the nvidia driver and when i ran the .run file it ask me to agree to some stupid stuff i have no intention of agreeing to,  now what's to keep me from editing the .run file and making it skip that section and install without agreeing to anything ?
[07:24] <mike> anyone who thinks vista's eye-candy is anywhere near the level of linux's is either a fanboy or they just don't know what they're doing in linux
[07:25] <mike> lol intelikey
[07:25] <intelikey> i mean !
[07:25] <mike> i'd imagine if you read the license it would say you're not allowed to modify the run file
[07:25] <mike> but that's just my guess :-P
[07:26] <lorderunion> mike: ok i'm back
[07:26] <mike> k...
[07:26] <intelikey> but i did not agree to the licens
[07:26] <mike> good point
[07:26] <mike> lol
[07:26] <intelikey> it can say what ever i said no.
[07:26] <lorderunion> mike: sorry, lost the chat. what did you want me to try now?
[07:26] <intelikey> now i'll edit the thing and install it.
[07:27] <mike> lorderunion: extract bcm5700-source into ~... does it have a readme or any documentation at all with it?
[07:27] <intelikey> it's my computer and what's on it is mine.  i haven't agreed to NOT ONE STINKUNG THING!
[07:27] <intelikey> s/U/I/
[07:27] <lorderunion> yeah it does. says to cd src/ run make, then load the driver
[07:27] <lorderunion> make is failing though, heh
[07:28] <mike> maybe try googling around for the errors? sorry, but i don't know what else to try at this point. compiling definitely isn't my strong point. :-\
[07:30] <mike> Daisuke_Ido: Show him how you can update all the software on your system in a couple clicks and see what he says :-P
[07:31] <lorderunion> mike: installing linux-source-2.6.20
[07:32] <ebovine> Anyone else having issues with Kaffeine playing DVDs?  It gives me an error message about "Audio output unavailable.  Device is busy. ()"
[07:32] <ebovine> I've gone so far as to completely disable KDE sounds.
[07:33] <el_isma> intelikey: when you download the .run file, I think you have to agree to a license... I guess there it says something about not modifying it?
[07:33] <ebovine> I've also played mp3's through the XINE UI, so I know it can play audio.
[07:34] <ebovine> I can also play the DVD from mplayer using the command line.
[07:34] <ebovine> It even plays the audio.  :)
[07:34] <intelikey> el_isma i did no sush thing
[07:35] <intelikey> el_isma it never asked me to agree to anything
[07:35] <Daisuke_Ido> mike: nothing will make this guy switch
[07:35] <mike> kaffeine's weird with dvd's
[07:35] <Daisuke_Ido> he's a "hardcore" gamer
[07:35] <Daisuke_Ido> now my girlfriend is all ready to switch
[07:35] <ebovine> mike: The xine UI has the same issues.
[07:36] <Daisuke_Ido> and a few friends want live cds to play with :)
[07:36] <mike> Daisuke_Ido: cool
[07:36] <intelikey> el_isma i assure i have not accepted any agreement other than the GNU-GPL on this computer
[07:36] <el_isma> intelikey: ok
[07:36] <slacker2> Hello anyone here
[07:36] <slacker2> Im having trouble installing AOL Instant Messenger for Kubuntu
[07:37] <intelikey> and i think i have the nvidia driver installed with out agreeing to anything
[07:37] <mike> slacker2: use kopete
[07:37] <ebovine> slacker2: kopete
[07:37] <slacker2> I dont like Kopete
[07:37] <ebovine> slacker2: Gaim
[07:37] <slacker2> Isnt that pidgin now?
[07:37] <mike> yeah
[07:37] <slacker2> but I just want AIM
[07:38] <mike> i don't think pidgin's in the repos yet though
[07:38] <Daisuke_Ido> "but i just want aim"
[07:38] <mike> i don't think aol makes aim for linux do they?
[07:38] <Daisuke_Ido> cope
[07:38] <mike> lol
[07:38] <Daisuke_Ido> deal widdit
[07:38] <mike> really
[07:38] <mike> :-)
[07:38] <intelikey> mike gaim is in the repos tho
[07:38] <Daisuke_Ido> accept the fact that they do aim better than aim does aim.
[07:38] <mike> right
[07:38] <intelikey> gaim=pidgin
[07:38] <mike> lol Daisuke_Ido
[07:38] <slacker2> http://www.aim.com/get_aim/linux/latest_linux.adp
[07:38] <Kr4t05> Does someone want to tell me how I could make a DVD ISO rip?
[07:39] <mike> Kr4t05: "sudo apt-get install libdvdcss k9copy"
[07:39] <Kr4t05> mike: Rockin', thanks.
[07:39] <ebovine> slacker2: You want *THAT* over Kopete?!?
[07:39] <mike> np
[07:39] <slacker2> ebovine* yeah
[07:40] <slacker2> i'm not a big fan on multi im clients
[07:40] <Kr4t05> mike: Gah.... libdvdcss is not available.
[07:40] <Kr4t05> One moment...
[07:40] <Daisuke_Ido> they have install instructions for debian WOODY.
[07:40] <mike> Kr4t05: libdvdcss2 maybe?
[07:40] <Daisuke_Ido> this is not an up to date piece of software.
[07:40] <ebovine> slacker2: You've followed the instructions for Debian 3+, right?
[07:40] <jbaerbock> Question about wireless. When I try to connect to my prefered network half the time is gets to 25% then does nothing. takes quite a few tries. Anyway to fix this?
[07:40] <slacker2> ebovine: yeah
[07:40] <Daisuke_Ido> slacker2: so...  don't use the multiple protocols, just use aim!
[07:40] <ebovine> slacker2: Waht happened?
[07:40] <slacker2> Hold on lemme get the message
[07:41] <mike> slacker2: you could check the appdb at http://www.winehq.org/ and see if the windows version of AIM is supported under wine
[07:41] <Kr4t05> !DVD
[07:41] <ubotu> For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss2" can be found at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - Try k9copy (available in !Universe) for backing up DVDs
[07:41] <zeke> I have a question
[07:41] <zeke> does anyone
[07:41] <zeke> have
[07:41] <zeke> a
[07:42] <zeke> windoze 98 product key?
[07:42] <Daisuke_Ido> !enter
[07:42] <ubotu> Please try to keep your questions/responses on one line - don't use the "Enter" key as punctuation!
[07:42] <Daisuke_Ido> and for eff's sake, NO
[07:42] <mike> jbaerbock: usually i just go ahead and re-try as soon as i see it hang at that step for more than 2-3 seconds. i know that doesn't really fix the problem, but it might speed things up for you a bit
[07:42] <Daisuke_Ido> google that, it's not our job to enable your cheap butt
[07:42] <zeke> sure thing ubotu
[07:42] <ebovine> zeke: If you can't find one online in 5m you're not trying.
[07:43] <jbaerbock> only has one bar signal strength is that making the difference? Cause when it does connect seemsbandwidth is very choppy
[07:43] <Daisuke_Ido> jbaerbock: yeah, that can be an issue
[07:43] <mike> Kr4t05: my fault. i thought libdvdcss was in official repos, guess not
[07:43] <slacker2> ebovine: it says theres no such director
[07:43] <zeke> well alright then...I just thought I'd ask my good friends here...but if you're going to be that way aboot it
[07:43] <Daisuke_Ido> !medibuntu | Kr4t05
[07:43] <ubotu> Kr4t05: medibuntu is a repository of packages that cannot be included into the Ubuntu distribution for legal reasons - See http://www.medibuntu.org
[07:43] <mike> jbaerbock: that could very well be the problem
[07:44] <ebovine> slacker2: That message isn't much help, huh?  :)
[07:44] <Kr4t05> Daisuke_Ido: Medibuntu is always really slow. :/
[07:44] <jbaerbock> but connects fine in windows, so don't get it
[07:44] <slacker2> ebovine: lol no its not
[07:44] <jbaerbock> have dual partition WinXP there only for games
[07:44] <Daisuke_Ido> zeke: asking for an illegal product key is not the way to make friends...
[07:44] <zeke> really?
[07:44] <Daisuke_Ido> not here.
[07:44] <mike> jbaerbock: what kind of card?
[07:44] <zeke> I never would have guessed
[07:44] <zeke> you think microsoft could give me one then
[07:45] <jbaerbock> Broadcom (always fun on linux lol) than and an ATI card and I got plenty of fun to deal with
[07:45] <zeke> even though they no longer support it
[07:45] <slacker2> ebovine: ya still there?
[07:45] <jbaerbock> zeke what key ya lookin for?
[07:45] <ebovine> Yeah
[07:45] <Daisuke_Ido> zeke: that's tough.  not our problem.  google it.
[07:45] <slacker2> ebovine: accept my pm please
[07:45] <zeke> I lost my win98 product registration key
[07:45] <ebovine> I'm not seeing one.
[07:45] <Daisuke_Ido> you "lost" it?
[07:46] <mike> lol
[07:46] <slacker2> could you send me one
[07:46] <zeke> of course
[07:46] <Daisuke_Ido> BS.
[07:46] <jbaerbock> www.serials.ws
[07:46] <jbaerbock> good site
[07:46] <jbaerbock> otherwise google it should find some around
[07:46] <zeke> I don't steal any more than anyone else in here does
[07:46] <Daisuke_Ido> zeke: talking to people in an open source channel, i'd bet you're wrong about that.
[07:46] <jbaerbock> zeke just dont ask questions about bootlegged stuff on ubuntu forum, they kill your post if ya do lol
[07:47] <cabuloso> ?
[07:47] <ebovine> zeke: It's possible for you to look dumber right now, but I'm not sure how.
[07:47] <zeke> It never crossed my mind
[07:47] <Daisuke_Ido> but you'll ask here.
[07:47] <Daisuke_Ido> i think you just proved ebovine right
[07:47] <zeke> I think you can suck my nuts
[07:47] <Kr4t05> zeke: Everyone else is hatin' on you... So I guess I'll join. You fail.
[07:47] <ebovine> slacker2: Your nick has to be registered with the server to be able to send PMs
[07:47] <Daisuke_Ido> you do, do you?
[07:48] <Kr4t05> !coc
[07:48] <ubotu> The Ubuntu Code of Conduct to which we ask all Ubuntu users to adhere can be found at http://www.ubuntu.com/community/conduct/
[07:48] <jbaerbock> Lol Microsoft would claim we are being illegal by using Linux, and they would try some halfassed reason for it too
[07:48] <zeke> nobody like nuts then?
[07:48] <slacker2> ok lemme register ebovine
[07:48] <Kr4t05> Hrm...
[07:48] <zeke> I prefer almonds myself
[07:49] <jbaerbock> Mike still there? Any ideas bout the wireless?
[07:49] <Daisuke_Ido> nice backtrack, but too little too late :\
[07:49] <ebovine> jbaerbock: They'd have a much harder time proving that in court.
[07:49] <zeke> what?...never heard of sarcasm?
[07:49] <Kr4t05> So... Do we have an op in the room?
[07:50] <slacker2> ebovine* Im trying to register
[07:50] <Daisuke_Ido> oh, i'm sure there are a couple wandering around
[07:50] <intelikey> Kr4t05 can very quickly      do we need one ?
[07:51] <lorderunion> damn. installing linux-source didnt work
[07:51] <lorderunion> argh.
[07:51] <Daisuke_Ido> what are you trying to do?
[07:52] <slacker2> ebovine* im still trying to register
[07:52] <lorderunion> install the bcm5700 driver.
[07:53] <lorderunion> or compile it rather.
[07:53] <lorderunion> getting a "kernel source tree not found" error when running make
[07:53] <slacker2> ebovine* did you get my message
[07:55] <XcercaX> is Adept manager the popular choice for downloading and installing new packages ?
[07:55] <ebovine> Adept has gotten better, but I still find Synaptic to be more stable.
[07:55] <dsmith_> has anyone ever compiles basker note taking software?
[07:56] <dsmith_> *compiled I meant
[07:56] <maltaethiron> personally, im a fan of synaptic
[07:56] <dsmith_> checking for X... configure: error: Can't find X libraries. Please check your installation and add the correct paths!
[07:56] <dsmith_> dsmith@dsmith-laptop:~/Desktop/basket-1.0.2/basket-1.0.2$
[07:57] <Daisuke_Ido> dsmith_: xorg-dev
[07:57] <XcercaX> ok
[07:57] <dsmith_> Daisuke_Ido: whats that
[07:57] <Daisuke_Ido> what you're going to need
[07:58] <XcercaX> does anyone use wine?
[07:58] <ubuntu__> i need am irc channel on openGL programming
[07:58] <ebovine> dsmith_: The *-dev packages are the development files for the package.  It's the stuff you need to compile apps against the package.
[07:58] <dsmith_> XcercaX: I do
[07:58] <Daisuke_Ido> XcercaX: i try to avoid it, but occasionally i have no choice
[07:58] <dsmith_> oh!, ok
[07:58] <XcercaX> dsmith did you use Adept to install it ?
[07:58] <dsmith_> ummmmmmmm no
[07:58] <Kr4t05> ubuntu__: Maybe #opengl?
[07:59] <ubuntu__> thanks
[07:59] <ebovine> lol
[07:59] <dsmith_> automatix, but I hade to revert back to an older version as IE was being a pain
[07:59] <XcercaX> what did you use ?
[07:59] <XcercaX> alright
[07:59] <dsmith_> i need iE to connect to a few servers at the office for remote management
[08:00] <ebovine> dsmith_: That's what VMWare Player is for.  :)
[08:01] <XcercaX> the usenet client i want to use (and also have a subscription to) says that it only works in windows,  but i talked to a guy that said he got ti to work in ubuntu wuthg wine
[08:01] <dsmith_> bah, no way
[08:01] <CensorBard> !libusb
[08:01] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about libusb - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:01] <dsmith_> virtualbox is better
[08:02] <ebovine> We have sysadmins that create VMWare images for us, so I roll with what's already cooked.
[08:04] <dsmith_> ok
[08:04] <Daisuke_Ido> XcercaX: agent?  xnews?
[08:04] <ebovine> VirtualBox looks pretty cool, though.
[08:04] <Daisuke_Ido> newsbin
[08:04] <intelikey> does VirtualBox require X ?
[08:04] <dsmith_> ok I got past the x issues with *-dev pkgs, thx
[08:05] <dsmith_> i am not sure
[08:05] <XcercaX> no,  it's UseNeXT
[08:05] <Daisuke_Ido> intelikey: as long as you only want to run MS-DOS
[08:05] <dsmith_> I've run about 10 different OS's on it
[08:05] <XcercaX> it's pretty awesome
[08:05] <Daisuke_Ido> XcercaX: and how much are you getting screwed out of a month for that?
[08:05] <XcercaX> and i've gotten to know the people in the chat from the client
[08:05] <ebovine> dsmith_: How's he performance?
[08:05] <intelikey> Daisuke_Ido will it run without X tho ?   like qemu and bochs wont
[08:06] <Daisuke_Ido> intelikey: likely not
[08:06] <dsmith_> ebovine: It seems fine for me, vista was a freaking hog hehe
[08:06] <Daisuke_Ido> giganews + pan + klibido
[08:06] <dsmith_> I use it for demo of various OS's
[08:06] <ebovine> hehe.  So you're saying Vista was itself?
[08:06] <Daisuke_Ido> the usenet superhighway
[08:06] <XcercaX> about $10  ,  it's better than looking all over for a movie or game if you ask me,   and the client is pretty awesome
[08:06] <XcercaX> but it's not for everyone
[08:07] <Daisuke_Ido> XcercaX: oh, i'm...  intimately... familiar with usenet
[08:07] <slacker2> *ebovine i pmed u
[08:07] <dsmith_> two questions: what is Qt and is libmgr needed?
[08:07] <Daisuke_Ido> been using it for around a decade now
[08:08] <Daisuke_Ido> qt is the toolkit kde runs on, and probably.
[08:08] <XcercaX> Daisuke_Ido   are you using a free usenet server ?
[08:08] <Daisuke_Ido> i have the server through verizon, and i pay for giganews.
[08:09] <Daisuke_Ido> in windows i used agent and powergrab, in linux i use pan and klibido
[08:09] <Daisuke_Ido> and it's a really close call on which is better
[08:09] <intelikey> dsmith_ any lib in question can be checked like   sudo apt-get remove libmgr      then if it's needed by something the list will appear and ask for an ok if not it's gone  question answered
[08:10] <dsmith_> ok, I am slowly trudging thorough installing basket note taking software
[08:10] <slacker2> *ebovine, pmed u again
[08:10] <XcercaX> i was using Klibido for a little while,  but when i booted into windows to get on UseNeXT a guy in the chat told me that he got Usenext working in ubuntu with wine
[08:10] <intelikey> see also deborphan
[08:10] <dsmith_> I could use wine or codeweavers to install onenote, but thats far too easy :)
[08:11] <XcercaX> so i installed Kubuntu over my fedora installation and have been trying to get wine to work
[08:11] <Daisuke_Ido> XcercaX: does usenext have an nzb-based client?
[08:12] <XcercaX> Daisuke_Ido    no,  it's a microsoft.net  thing,  i couldn't figure out how to get it to work, i have wine and mono installed on my old fedora release
[08:13] <XcercaX> but i heard people say that they got it to work in ububtu so i am trying that out now
[08:14] <XcercaX> i haven't gotten wine to install yet though...
[08:15] <dsmith_> he is a link to basket notes http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=10020 looks like development is stopping, hmmmm. I may not bother with it now.
[08:17] <TheRealInsane> I seem to have a problem connecting to my HDD
[08:17] <TheRealInsane> I just can't seem to access it
[08:17] <raylu> connecting to?
[08:18] <dsmith_> linux needs a great note taking tool
[08:19] <TheRealInsane> rayle: Just accessing my normal Hard Disk
[08:19] <raylu> dsmith_, knotes?
[08:19] <raylu> TheRealInsane, by "normal," you mean..?>
[08:20] <TheRealInsane> The Hard Disk (C:\ and D:\) that I usually use on Windows and have all my files one
[08:20] <TheRealInsane> *on
[08:20] <TheRealInsane> I can't seem too find it,
[08:20] <raylu> look in /media
[08:20] <TheRealInsane> Let's see..
[08:21] <TheRealInsane> Nope, not there. Just my CD-ROM drives and floppy drive
[08:21] <raylu> ok
[08:21] <raylu> do you know the names of your partitions?
[08:21] <CensorBard> Holy cow, Synaptic is leaps and bounds better than Adept.
[08:21] <TheRealInsane> Yep
[08:22] <raylu> what are they?
[08:22] <TheRealInsane> hda, hdb1, hdb2
[08:22] <raylu> hdb1 is your windows partition and hdb2 is your linux partition?
[08:24] <TheRealInsane> hdb1 is windows, hdb2 is media, hdb3 is linux (forgot that >.<)
[08:24] <raylu> ok
[08:24] <raylu> cd /media
[08:24] <raylu> sudo mkdir hdb1
[08:24] <TheRealInsane> Let's see
[08:24] <raylu> sudo mount /dev/hdb1 hdb1
[08:25] <TheRealInsane> Ok, now I opened it in Konquerer and I don't have enough permissions to view it
[08:26] <raylu> ah
[08:26] <raylu> ok
[08:26] <raylu> sudo umount hdb1
[08:26] <raylu> sudo mount /dev/hdb1 hdb1 -o=user,fmask=0111,dmask=0000
[08:27] <raylu> alternatively
[08:27] <raylu> sudo mount /dev/hdb1 hdb1 -o=uid=1000
[08:27] <raylu> oh wait...i think there's no = after -o
[08:27] <raylu> i think it's just a space
[08:27] <mm_202> Hey guys, [another]  quick question:  I have an ATI Remote Wonder, is there anyway to get KDE (and linux in general) to NOT recognize it as a kb and mouse?  I want to just be able to access it programmatically thru /dev
[08:28] <dsmith_> raylu: knotes works ok I suppose but I want something a bit more useful
[08:28] <raylu> mm_202, comment out the lines in your xorg, i suppose
[08:28] <raylu> on that note, what is an ATI rw?
[08:29] <TheRealInsane> Thanks raylu, you're awesome
[08:29] <raylu> if you want it to do this automatically
[08:29] <raylu> you should use alt+f2 > kdesu kate /etc/fstab
[08:30] <raylu> and poke away at that
[08:30] <mm_202> raylu: Basically a RF remote (like a TV remote) with lots of buttons and arrow keys for mouse/kb emulation. http://www.remotecentral.com/wonder/
[08:30] <TheRealInsane> So yeah, any way to change the view type in Konquerer to a windows-type "details" look?
[08:31] <mm_202> Im fairly new to Linux, but when I was using Windows, I wrote a program that let me control my music, my lights, my alarm, etc thru the remote, I'd like to have that funcationality back
[08:31] <raylu> TheRealInsane, isn't it in the view settings somewhere?
[08:32] <TheRealInsane> Basically I can't find the view settings
[08:32] <khaije1> so is bluetooth to the point where linux support is as standard as usb?
[08:32] <raylu> TheRealInsane, aren't they in the menubar?
[08:32] <CensorBard> Query: In what arcane ritual should I edit my xorg.conf file, such that I can actually save the changes?
[08:33] <CensorBard> Kate seems to not be up to the task.
[08:33] <raylu> CensorBard, alt+f2> kdesu kate
[08:34] <TheRealInsane> Funny, I seem to have a small dropdown called "Icon View" in my toolbar, but it seems like a button that's always pressed down
[08:35] <pag> TheRealInsane, try to press and hold ;)
[08:36] <TheRealInsane> D'oh! Thanks, it works :P
[08:37] <TheRealInsane> Guess I'm still not Linux familiar..
[08:38] <raylu> o.0
[08:38] <raylu> you shouldn't need to press and hold
[08:38] <raylu> that's painful :(
[08:38] <raylu> i die a little inside every time i see a windows/mac user do it
[08:39] <TheRealInsane> Hmm..
[08:39] <TheRealInsane> Anyways, I mounted my HDDs, but now I get a visual error
[08:39] <raylu> a what?
[08:39] <TheRealInsane> It displays the size as "24 KB", when it should be around 217 GB
[08:40] <TheRealInsane> Although when I open it up, it still contains all the large files
[08:40] <raylu> m...i don't really know what number you're reading
[08:41] <TheRealInsane> Hmm, it seems all folder sizes are shrinked down
[08:41] <pag> TheRealInsane, konq has that problem - it doesn't count the things inside the folder or something like that
[08:41] <TheRealInsane> Oh, that'd explain it
[08:41] <pag> TheRealInsane, right click and choose properties - it should show the real size then
[08:41] <raylu> fdisk and sfdisk will tell you the size of the partitions
[08:41] <raylu> on the other hand, there's this super cool (but useless) view mode
[08:41] <raylu> that sorts folders and files by size
[08:41] <raylu> it's really cool the first time you use it :D :D :D
[08:42] <TheRealInsane> Wow
[08:42] <TheRealInsane> Looks a bit.... unorganized?
[08:42] <raylu> lol
[08:42] <raylu> i said useless, right?
[08:43] <raylu> even the creator admits that its only eye-candy, but totally useless
[08:43] <raylu> but it's sorted by size, which is still really cool :D
[08:43] <CensorBard> raylu: ....It's been bugging me for a while, but: Netherlands? Is that you?
[08:44] <TheRealInsane> Sleek
[08:44] <TheRealInsane> Microsoft Flight Simulator X 8.17 GB
[08:45] <TheRealInsane> Completely worthless, but still. 8.17 Gig ^^
[08:45] <raylu> CensorBard, ...what?
[08:45] <TheRealInsane> Damnit, that view mode is insane. Do you expect me to turn by monitor 90 or what!?
[08:46] <TheRealInsane> The sideways text is driving me mad ._.
[08:46] <CensorBard> raylu: Ne'er mind. Knew a guy, same name. That was our nickname for him, since he was Chinese Dutch.
[08:46] <raylu> o.0
[08:46] <mumificirani> i have yet antoher question
[08:47] <raylu> apparently, there's dr by the name raylu
[08:47] <raylu> and someone has taken the name in a few places
[08:47] <raylu> TheRealInsane, no, just bask  in its awesomeness for a few minutes :D
[08:48] <pag> mumificirani, since it isn't you first time, you should already be familiar with the drill: don't ask to ask a question, just ask your question :)
[08:48] <mumificirani> when I install xubuntu desktop do I still have KDE on kubuntu?
[08:48] <TheRealInsane> Let me guess: Linux doesn't have that really cool but extremely useless option to highlight folders in different colors?
[08:48] <pag> mumificirani, how are you planning to install it?
[08:49] <mumificirani> sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop
[08:49] <pag> TheRealInsane, yes we do :O
[08:49] <mumificirani> :)
[08:49] <pag> mumificirani, yup, you can then choose in login screen wether you want KDE or XFCE :)
[08:49] <mumificirani> that's neat
[08:50] <pag> mumificirani, kde will not be touched in any way
[08:50] <raylu> TheRealInsane, ls --color
[08:50] <mumificirani> I still have the old programs or do I get the XFCE ones too?
[08:50] <raylu> :D
[08:50] <TheRealInsane> pad, so how then?
[08:50] <TheRealInsane> Ah hm
[08:50] <TheRealInsane> *paq of course.. not pad :P
[08:50] <raylu> actually, pag, kmenu gets all the xfce stuff :(
[08:50] <TheRealInsane> *pag...
[08:50] <pag> TheRealInsane, depends on your icon theme though
[08:50] <TheRealInsane> My keyboard is driving me mad.....
[08:50] <TheRealInsane> Hmm
[08:51] <TheRealInsane> Let's see
[08:51] <pag> raylu, well yes, but that's a non destructive thing - it won't start changing themes like KDE did to my gnome once
[08:51] <TheRealInsane> pag, I have Crystal SVG Theme currently (default)
[08:51] <mumificirani> can someone answer my question :D?
[08:52] <mumificirani> It's not urgent I mean
[08:52] <pag> TheRealInsane, ok.. wait a sec please, and I'll try to find the feature you need
[08:52] <mumificirani> but
[08:52] <raylu> pag, it destroys my beautiful menu!!
[08:52] <raylu> mumificirani, yes, you get both sets of programs
[08:52] <pag> mumificirani, you'll have both programms - you can use whichever you like
[08:52] <raylu> in fact, you should even be able to run kde programs in xfce and vice versa
[08:52] <mumificirani> wow neat
[08:52] <mumificirani> tnx :)
[08:52] <raylu> it'll just take a bit of extra loading/memory usage if you choose to do so
[08:53] <mumificirani> and I lack that very much :)
[08:53] <pag> TheRealInsane, http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php/Color+Folder?content=34096 here you are :)
[08:53] <TheRealInsane> mkay
[08:53] <TheRealInsane> So does Linux have an equivelant of telnet?
[08:54] <pag> !telnet
[08:54] <ubotu> telnet is not safe. Please use ssh instead. See !ssh
[08:54] <pag> but yes - we have telnet too
[08:54] <mumificirani> type telnet in terminal :D
[08:54] <raylu> ew
[08:54] <raylu> why do you need to telnet?
[08:54] <TheRealInsane> Kewl
[08:54] <TheRealInsane> manual SMTPing
[08:54] <raylu> ...
[08:54] <TheRealInsane> Error trapping with my GmEmail Script ;)
[08:55] <raylu> o.0
[08:55] <TheRealInsane> I'm talking bullshit right now, ain't i?
[08:55] <mumificirani> !xfce
[08:55] <ubotu> xubuntu is Ubuntu with Xfce instead of Gnome. For more info, see http://www.xubuntu.org and http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/ - To install from Ubuntu: "sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop". | For support, see #xubuntu | See also: !ubuntu and !xubuntu-channels
[08:55] <pag> !ohmy | TheRealInsane
[08:55] <ubotu> TheRealInsane: Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[08:57] <raylu> TheRealInsane, i don't think it'd be too hard to write a script to handle it for you
[08:57] <raylu> you should never send low-level data more than once
[08:57] <pag> the script might be failing, because *buntu uses dash instead of sh..
[08:58] <raylu> ?
[08:59] <mahdy> hiya guys
[08:59] <mahdy> all eyez on e
[08:59] <mahdy> all eyez on me
[08:59] <mahdy> all eyez on me
[08:59] <mahdy> all eyez on me
[08:59] <mahdy> all eyez on me
[08:59] <mahdy> all eyez on me
[08:59] <mahdy> all eyez on me
[08:59] <mahdy> all eyez on me
[08:59] <pag> raylu, complicated thing to expalain - but in *buntu /bin/sh is a symlink to /bin/dash  and they are not 100% comparative(sp?)
[08:59] <mahdy> all eyez on me
[08:59] <mahdy> all eyez on me
[08:59] <mahdy> all eyez on me
[08:59] <TheRealInsane> raylu, thank you, but I'm doing this for a program called "Game Maker", so nothing with Linux or anything
[08:59] <mahdy> all eyez on me
[08:59] <mahdy> all eyez on me
[08:59] <mahdy> all eyez on me
[08:59] <pag> !flood | mahdy
[08:59] <ubotu> mahdy: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[09:00] <raylu> pag, i have no idea what dash/sh do, sorry :P
[09:01] <pag> raylu, ok. nevermind then.
[09:03] <intelikey> why would installing kernel-headers-2.4.27-2 pull in kernel-headers-2.4.27-2-k6     but removing kernel-headers-2.4.27-2 also remove kernel-headers-2.4.27-2-k6     it's like they have recursive deps on each other    that should not be   if you can not have one with out the other they should be one package.
[09:06] <raylu> they could be maintained by totally different people
[09:06] <raylu> and they may want to allow the option of forcing an install of only one
[09:08] <TheRealInsane> Ok, I downloaded an archive, extracted it and it contains: "colorfolder" and "colorfolder.desktop".
[09:09] <TheRealInsane> Now how the heck do I use it?
[09:09] <TheRealInsane> I see "colorfolder" is a shell script, how do I execute it?
[09:11] <pag> TheRealInsane, there is installation info on the page I gave you
[09:12] <pag> I changed the location of the "colorfolder" for myself though, but it requires editing of "colorfolder.desktop" iirc
[09:14] <TheRealInsane> pag, How can I give my account full permission? Or otherwise remove the system password, I don't want one
[09:15] <TheRealInsane> 'cause I can't seem to create a new folder/copy files without entering my password 10 times
[09:15] <TheRealInsane> It's annyoing
[09:15] <ice9cynic> weddep
[09:16] <pag> TheRealInsane, don't :) running everything with full permissions is a security risk and should never be done.
[09:16] <ice9cynic> DUDE! Ice9, get off my nick, wtf
[09:16] <TheRealInsane> pag, then perhaps administrator level permission? Or atleast enough to create new folders...
[09:17] <pag> TheRealInsane, you have full write acces to your /home/username directory
[09:17] <pag> TheRealInsane, and you almost never need acces to any other dir
[09:17] <TheRealInsane> pag, The problem is, I want to copy a file (colorfolder) into the ~/bin/colorfolder dir
[09:18] <TheRealInsane> But it won't let me.
[09:18] <pag> TheRealInsane, ~ means your homefolder
[09:18] <mumificirani> pag you there?
[09:19] <pag> mumificirani, yup.
[09:19] <ice9cynic> wow I can't believe that guy is stealing my nick, whats up with that
[09:19] <ice9cynic> what an imposter, really
[09:19] <pag> !register | ice9cynic
[09:19] <ubotu> ice9cynic: Information about registering your Freenode nick is at http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#contents-userregistration
[09:19] <holycow> humans are idiots
[09:19] <mumificirani> ok I installed xubuntu.desk
[09:19] <mumificirani> now what :D?
[09:19] <ice9cynic> ya but I can't register it cuz he's on it!
[09:19] <ubuntu__> are you suposed to come up with your own security scripts?
[09:19] <mumificirani> should I ctrl-alt-bksp*
[09:19] <pag> mumificirani, log out, and in login window choose session -> xfce
[09:20] <mumificirani> ok
[09:20] <mumificirani> tnx
[09:20] <TheRealInsane> Is there a keyboard shortcut to create a new dir in Konquerer?
[09:20] <praecox> hey, anyone here can help me out with Compiz under Kubuntu?
[09:20] <pag> TheRealInsane, not that I'm aware of.. right clicking isn't too hard though
[09:20] <pag> !compiz | praecox
[09:20] <ubotu> praecox: Compiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL) - Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager - See http://tinyurl.com/pw5ez for Kubuntu systems - Help in #ubuntu-effects
[09:20] <ubuntu__> are you suposed to come up with your own security scripts?
[09:21] <pag> ubuntu__, huh?
[09:21] <praecox> pag, http://tinyurl.com/pw5ez is little overdated...
[09:21] <praecox> pag, I've got Gutsy here and simply did
[09:21] <TheRealInsane> pag, Rightclick doesn't have an option for Create new folder
[09:21] <praecox> pag, it's clean install of Gutsy. I simply tried: apt-get install compiz compizconfig-settings-manager compiz-fusion-* compiz-kde emerald
[09:22] <mumificirani> wow this works =D
[09:22] <pag> praecox, I mosly meant the last part of that factoid ;)
[09:22] <pag> TheRealInsane, huh? crate new -> folder
[09:23] <mumificirani> tnx a lot guys, going off now
[09:23] <praecox> pag, I see.
[09:24] <pag> TheRealInsane, or just do it from commandline: mkdir ~/bin
[09:24] <pag> praecox, you have gutsy, so you might also wat to ask in #ubuntu+1
[09:24] <intelikey> TheRealInsane in what that is not an option to make a dir ?     there is in konq
[09:26] <TheRealInsane> intelikey, I'm using Konquerer, rightclicking, all I get is: Up, Back, Forward, Open With, Preview in, Actions, Properties.
[09:26] <pag> TheRealInsane, click on an empty space
[09:26] <pag> TheRealInsane, not some file / folder
[09:26] <TheRealInsane> pag, I am clicking on an empty space
[09:27] <TheRealInsane> If I click on a file, I get stuff like Copy/Paste too
[09:27] <pag> TheRealInsane, in which folder?
[09:28] <TheRealInsane> home
[09:28] <intelikey> you can't write in /home
[09:28] <pag> TheRealInsane, if you have no write acces you will not have the creation options - and you only have that acces to /tmp and /home/YourUserName
[09:29] <intelikey> pag and maybe /media/*    but yeah
[09:29] <TheRealInsane> That explains it..
[09:29] <TheRealInsane> Thanks
[09:33] <intelikey> hmmm installing a kernel i'll have to mkdir /boot or apt will cry
[09:34] <intelikey> oh it's gonna taint my kernel,   poor kernel...
[09:36] <intelikey> now how do you update the nvidia driver ?
[09:38] <intelikey> ha crap apt cried anyway      Could not open /etc/fstab:No such file or directory at /var/lib/dpkg/info/linux-image-2.6.15-28-386.postinst line 1045, <STDIN> line 1.
[09:38] <TheRealInsane> Where would ~/.kde be?
[09:38] <TheRealInsane> Doesn't the "." cancel the "~" out?
[09:38] <pag> TheRealInsane, folders starting with . are hidden
[09:38] <intelikey> TheRealInsane ` is always your users home dir
[09:38] <TheRealInsane> pag, well the instructions tell me to copy a file there
[09:38] <intelikey> ~ is
[09:39] <pag> TheRealInsane, so just enable show hidden files/folders form konq's menus
[09:39] <TheRealInsane> Kk
[09:41] <intelikey> TheRealInsane and i think you were thinking of  ..  rather than .    ~/..   is /home whereas  ~/ is your users home dir which $HOME is and   /home/$USER  is in most cases
[09:42] <intelikey> what i want to know is, is there a way to remove .. from ./    :)
[09:42] <TheRealInsane> Yerh
[09:42] <Cocytus> Hm. My desktop image is no longer drawn, the background is only white.. any typs?
[09:44] <mumificirani> pag
[09:44] <mumificirani> nothing sorry
[09:44] <pag> :)
[09:46] <mumificirani> pag
[09:46] <mumificirani> if I let's say... DISLIKE yfcm
[09:46] <mumificirani> xfcm
[09:46] <mumificirani> can I uninstall it :D?
[09:47] <mumificirani> just hypothetical
[09:47] <pag> xfcm? do you mean xfce?
[09:47] <mumificirani> yeah
[09:47] <pag> sudo apt-get remove xubuntu-desktop && sudo apt-get autoremove  :)
[09:48] <mumificirani> all that?
[09:48] <mumificirani> I should'nt dot hat while in xfce do I :)?
[09:49] <pag> yup... better be in KDE (or no gui at all)
[09:49] <mumificirani> xD
[09:49] <intelikey> is autoremove one of those NON-documented features ?
[09:50] <mumificirani> nah... I'll just stick up to KDE no need for unisntall
[09:50] <intelikey> or has it been added in the last few months ?
[09:50] <pag> intelikey, man apt-get mentions it..
[09:50] <intelikey> tty3 [greg$~]  apt-get autoremove
[09:50] <intelikey> E: Invalid operation autoremove
[09:50] <pag> intelikey, it was added in edgy iirc
[09:50] <intelikey> and man don't mention it to me
[09:50] <intelikey> k
[09:51] <dotz> how to upgrade from dapper to fiesty?
[09:52] <TheRealInsane> pag, Aargh! I right click and select tint (means that the Konquerer mod is working) and it gives me: "Could not find the program colorfolder"
[09:52] <pag> dotz, through edgy
[09:52] <TheRealInsane> I have it in ~/bin
[09:53] <pag> TheRealInsane, check that colorfolder.desktop points to the right location
[09:53] <intelikey> dotz they say you can't   not in one step   but if you want to try before you reload   change your sources.list and apt-get dist-upgrade
[09:53] <khaije1> dotz:  a "clean" install isnt an option?
[09:53] <TheRealInsane> Kk
[09:53] <TheRealInsane> A wonder I didn't think of that
[09:54] <pag> TheRealInsane, kate ~/.kde/share/apps/konqueror/servicemenus/colorfolder.desktop  iirc
[09:54] <intelikey> dotz they told me i couldn't do that from hoary to dapper either     but i did.      "wasn't smooth though"
[09:56] <TheRealInsane> pag, it just points to "Exec=colorfolder ..."
[09:56] <TheRealInsane> So where does that point to?
[09:57] <TheRealInsane> Also, how can I configure to view hidden files in Konquerer?
[09:58] <pag> TheRealInsane, in ubuntu? nowhere :-/  replace it with  Exec=/home/YourUserName/bin/colorfolder
[09:58] <pag> TheRealInsane, view -> show hidden files
[10:00] <rockets> is it possible to get wine running AMD64 (K)ubuntu
[10:00] <TheRealInsane> pag, in kubuntu. Can't I just replace it with ~/bin/colorfolder too?
[10:00] <intelikey> i reboot now.    kernel.
[10:01] <pag> TheRealInsane, maybe - I'd do it the safe way though
[10:01] <stdin> rockets: take a look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WineForAMD64
[10:02] <rockets> ty
[10:02] <khaije1> dotz: anyone will tell you that a complete reinstall is preferable whenever possibly
[10:02] <khaije1> *possible
[10:04] <khaije1> stdin: are you POSIX compliant?
[10:04] <TheRealInsane> I modified the program, and now it finds colorfolder, but it doesn't work..
[10:05] <TheRealInsane> I mean, it doesn't get tinted
[10:05] <TheRealInsane> Under kubuntu 7.04
[10:05] <TheRealInsane> Oh yeah, doesn't Konquerer support Unicode filenames?
[10:06] <TheRealInsane> I have this folder called Elkeliset and it displays the  as boxes
[10:06] <pag> TheRealInsane, works well for me... are you sure the filename is in utf8?
[10:06] <stdin> khaije1: no, /bin/sh is
[10:06] <TheRealInsane> No idea what the filename is in
[10:08] <TheRealInsane> How can Ia ccess the Equalizer in Amarok?
[10:08] <TheRealInsane> nvm
[10:15] <TheRealInsane> Damnit, why do m3u playlists save the filename starting with D:\??
[10:16] <TheRealInsane> Is there a way to autmatically convert filenames from D:\ to /media/data/ and D:\ to /media/hdb1/?
[10:16] <stdin> use sed
[10:17] <stdin> sed 's,D:\,/media/data/g'
[10:17] <TheRealInsane> How does sed work/what does it do?
[10:17] <llutz> sed 's,D:\,/media/data,g'
[10:17] <TheRealInsane> I have a file, and I want to rename all instances of it to the new one
[10:20] <stdin> TheRealInsane: sed takes the 1st expression and replaced it with the 2nd, so "sed -i 's,D:\,/media/data/g' filename.m3u" would replace all the "D:\" to "/media/data/" in  filename.m3u
[10:20] <mike> Greets, everyone...
[10:20] <TheRealInsane> K, thanks
[10:20] <TheRealInsane> Now how do I stop reading a manual page?
[10:20] <stdin> q
[10:20] <praecox> q
[10:20] <TheRealInsane> Pressed every key I have on my keyboard and I can't seem to leave it
[10:21] <TheRealInsane> Oh wiat, q works
[10:21] <TheRealInsane> Hehe
[10:21] <llutz> stdin: typo, sed 's,D:\,/media/data,g'
[10:21] <mike> I'm setting up the partitions on a dual-boot system... Is it safe to mount the windows partition under /home/user/.windows-partition?
[10:21] <stdin> llutz: well, I missed the last ',' I intended the last slash tho
[10:23] <stdin> mike: yeah, you can mount it anywhere you want
[10:23] <mike> stdin: Thanks
[10:24] <TheRealInsane> It gives me an error: "unterminated s command"
[10:25] <TheRealInsane> The command as I have it: sed -i 's,D:\,/media/data/,g' "Music - All.m3u"
[10:25] <codeatnight> s,D:\\,/media/data,g
[10:26] <TheRealInsane> Damnit:
[10:26] <sille> 1st instal of kubuntu... needed help unlocking packing system.. pls
[10:26] <pag> !aptfix | sille
[10:26] <ubotu> sille: If Adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole:  sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a 
[10:26] <TheRealInsane> sed: couldn't open temporary file ./sedCF8gHF: Read-only file system
[10:27] <sille> will try and let u know. thx
[10:31] <sille> worked great.  unlocked. i dnot remember sys crashing on me though
[10:32] <pag> sille, adept manages to lock system up once in a while even without crashing
[10:34] <TheRealInsane> pag, can you help me on my last error?
[10:34] <pag> TheRealInsane, where are you trying to write? to a windows disk?
[10:34] <TheRealInsane> To hdb1
[10:35] <pag> TheRealInsane, which FS? NTFS, right?
[10:35] <TheRealInsane> Yep
[10:35] <pag> !ntfs-3g | TheRealInsane
[10:35] <ubotu> TheRealInsane: ntfs-3g is a Linux driver which allows read/write access to NTFS partitions. Installation instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MountingWindowsPartitions
[10:36] <TheRealInsane> Another question: Is there a way to configure the extra mouse buttons? (4,5,6 and 7)?
[10:37] <TheRealInsane> I can only configure 1-3
[10:37] <sille> thx pag
[10:37] <sille> ;}
[10:37] <pag> !mouse | TheRealInsane
[10:37] <ubotu> TheRealInsane: Enabling extra mouse buttons: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ManyButtonsMouseHowto  - Enabling serial mouse: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SerialMouseHowto
[10:39] <TheRealInsane> Blach
[10:39] <TheRealInsane> Uninformative manual: "Enable the universe repository and install the ntfs-config package"
[10:39] <TheRealInsane> Too bad it doesn't explain how
[10:40] <pag> !universe | TheRealInsane
[10:40] <ubotu> TheRealInsane: The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[10:40] <pag> !software | TheRealInsane
[10:40] <ubotu> TheRealInsane: A general introduction to the ways software can be installed, removed and managed in Ubuntu can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoftwareManagement - See also !Packages, !Equivalents
[10:40] <cw> hi
[10:40] <pag> hello cw :)
[10:41] <cw> hello
[10:41] <cw> this is just a test
[10:41] <cw> thank you
[10:41] <cw> ;)
[10:43] <Tenen> Can anyone tell me if madwifi is installed by default in a normal base installation?
[10:43] <pag> looks like it's not
[10:43] <Tenen> my netgear wg 311 t that is atheros based runs 100% on default ubuntu install due to madwifi, in kubuntu the card doesnt pick up in network manager but rather only when i do a grep atheros
[10:44] <Tenen> I need that card to work or I'm stuck in windows
[10:44] <Tenen> and when i do a make for madwifi i get errors
[10:45] <Tenen> What would the dif in terms of performance etc be if i installed ubuntu then just installed kde from synaptic
[10:45] <Tenen> because i need madwifi
[10:45] <pag> TheRealInsane, next to zero - especially if you remove the unneeded gnome-pkg's
[10:46] <Tenen> was that commento for me pag?
[10:46] <pag> Tenen, yes, sorry
[10:46] <Tenen> so with kde would come konsole, konqueror etc?
[10:47] <harmental> hey guys....is it possible that adept_noitifier is not "activated"......(i know for sure it is installed though)
[10:47] <harmental> i dont receive "notices" anymore....even there are outdated packages...
[10:48] <pag> Tenen, yup.
[10:48] <stdin> Tenen: it's in the linux-restricted-modules package
[10:48] <Tenen> so pag if i did ubuntu then installed kubuntu kde - it would be a kubuntu system?
[10:48] <Tenen> or a hybrid?
[10:48] <pag> harmental, it is possible
[10:49] <pag> Tenen, it would have both packages.. so hybrid I guess
[10:49] <Tenen> bah
[10:49] <Tenen> i want kubuntu to work
[10:49] <Tenen> i cant get madwifi to install
[10:49] <Tenen> its lacking some modules/packages to do so
[10:49] <harmental> pag: how can i reactive it?
[10:50] <Tenen> i've got the cd but i dont know how to load packages off there
[10:50] <pag> harmental, somewhere in adept_manager settings maybe?
[10:50] <TheRealInsane> So I installed "3dchess" and several others with Adept Manager, I can access the others, but not 3dchess. Where would I find it?
[10:51] <harmental> already tried that.....
[10:51] <harmental> pag: there is not such thing as notifier activation...
[10:51] <ching> W: GPG error: http://security.ubuntu.com feisty-security Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG 40976EAF437D05B5 Ubuntu Archive Automatic Signing Key <ftpmaster@ubuntu.com>
[10:51] <ching> i keep getting that on a fresh installation of fiesty
[10:51] <ching> apt-get update
[10:52] <Tenen> pag the modules that kubuntu needs for madwifi to work etc, would those be on my cd? and just not installed by default? how would i go about installing em?
[10:52] <ching> what shd i do
[10:52] <ching> anyone?
[10:53] <pag> harmental, hmm... try launching adept_notifier and hope it works :-/
[10:53] <pag> ching, try to use a different mirror maybe?
[10:53] <ching> what are the mirors?
[10:53] <Mouseball> error setting up inter-process communications for KDE:
[10:53] <Mouseball> Could not open network socket
[10:53] <Mouseball> is dcopserver running?
[10:53] <TheRealInsane> Can anybody help me?
[10:53] <pag> !easysources | ching
[10:53] <ubotu> ching: source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[10:54] <pag> Tenen, I don't know. sorry.
[10:54] <sx66> how do you change themes?
[10:54] <sille> nthr sille issue.  removing some apps and got "There was an error commiting changes. Possibly there was a problem downloading some packages or the commit would break packages." error.  What to do?
[10:54] <Mouseball> !dcopserver
[10:54] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about dcopserver - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:54] <Tenen> pag the modules that kubuntu needs for madwifi to work etc, would those be on my cd? and just not installed by default? how would i go about installing em?
[10:54] <pag> !customise | sx66
[10:54] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about customise - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:55] <pag> d'oh.
[10:55] <sx66> yeah?
[10:55] <sx66> how do you do it?
[10:55] <stdin> !themes
[10:55] <ubotu> Find your themes at: http://www.gnome-look.org - http://art.gnome.org - http://www.kde-look.org - http://themes.freshmeat.net/browse/58/ - http://www.guistyles.com - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/ - Also see !changethemes and https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuEyeCandy
[10:55] <stdin> !changethemes
[10:55] <ubotu> To change your themes, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuEyeCandy.  Kubuntu users should visit https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CustomizeKubuntu.
[10:55] <ching> i still hit into the same problem
[10:55] <ching> gpg key?
[10:56] <abu> tes
[10:56] <ching> the generated sources.list have this in comment
[10:56] <ching> # Ubuntu supported packages
[10:56] <ching> # GPG key: 437D05B5
[10:56] <Mouseball> anybody know how what that error message means?
[10:56] <TheRealInsane> Where can I access installed packages or otherwise read their manual?
[10:57] <Tenen> pag the modules that kubuntu needs for madwifi to work etc, would those be on my cd? and just not installed by default? how would i go about installing em?
[10:57] <stdin> ching: is ubuntu-keyring installed ?
[10:57] <pag> Tenen, I already said that I don't know
[10:57] <TheRealInsane> Please, anybody?
[10:57] <ertugrulge> hello !what is kubuntu turkish channel
[10:58] <pag> !tr | ertugrulge
[10:58] <ubotu> ertugrulge: Turk ubuntu kullanicilari, turkce yardim yada geyik icin #ubuntu-tr hizmetinizde.
[10:58] <sx66> I have downloaded a bunch of themes for but I can not import them. pag
[10:58] <stdin> Tenen: they are one the CD
[10:58] <ching> yes
[10:58] <Tenen> hello !what is kubuntu south african channel
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[10:58] <Tenen> so how do i access em stdin
[10:58] <Tenen> or install em
[10:59] <pag> sx66, which themes you have downloaded?  or should I say "what kind of"..
[10:59] <Tenen> what is a command to install something
[10:59] <stdin> Tenen: looked at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CustomizeKubuntu ?
[10:59] <ertugrulge> thank you but anybody in turkish channel :)
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[10:59] <ching> W: GPG error: http://security.ubuntu.com feisty-security Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG 40976EAF437D05B5 Ubuntu Archive Automatic Signing Key <ftpmaster@ubuntu.com>
[11:00] <ching> # gpg --keyserver hkp://subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys KEY
[11:00] <ching> # GPG key: 437D05B5
[11:00] <ching> i tried that
[11:00] <ching> # gpg --export --armor KEY | sudo apt-key add -
[11:00] <sx66> pag: http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php/Futurosoft+Kickoff+Vista+?content=52346
[11:00] <Tenen> well I need to install madwifi but with 0 net access on that machine caus wifi wont work I need to somehow install madwifi i downloaded it but its lacking headers or kernels or something to install would those be on my kubuntu cd, if so how would i install em
[11:00] <stdin> ching: gpg --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com --recv-keys 437D05B5
[11:01] <pag> ching, gpg --keyserver hkp://subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys 437D05B5 && gpg --export --armor 437D05B5 | sudo apt-key add -
[11:01] <stdin> ching: gpg --export -a 437D05B5 | sudo apt-key add -
[11:01] <stdin> Tenen: what version?
[11:01] <pag> sx66, that's a kickoff theme - kubuntu doesn't even use kickoff
[11:02] <Tenen> the latest madwifi version and its kubuntu 7.04
[11:02] <sx66> pag: so, how do I install themes, and how do I know if a theme will work?
[11:02] <stdin> Tenen: should work instantly
[11:03] <pag> sx66, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CustomizeKubuntu
[11:03] <CensorBard> Oh, sonofa. Katapult broke KDE.
[11:03] <stdin> Tenen: the madwifi drivers are install by default
[11:03] <TheRealInsane> I can't find it in the manual *panics*
[11:03] <stdin> TheRealInsane: manual for what?
[11:03] <Tenen> stdin not that i can see , card doesnt pickup
[11:03] <Tenen> and pag told me earlier they werent
[11:03] <TheRealInsane> stdin, Packages
[11:03] <ching> damnnnnnnnnnnnnn still couldn't work
[11:03] <ching> i've replaced KEY with the 437xx
[11:03] <stdin> TheRealInsane: "man command"
[11:03] <TheRealInsane> stdin, I've installed some, but I can't find them.
[11:03] <ching> urgh z z z
[11:03] <stdin> TheRealInsane: well, it is
[11:04] <Tenen> if i do a grep atheros i can see the card, but its not in network manager or anything and pag told me that kubuntu doesnt install madwifi by default
[11:04] <TheRealInsane> stdin "no manual entry for command"
[11:04] <stdin> TheRealInsane: try "sudo modprobe ath_pci"
[11:04] <TheRealInsane> Oh wait
[11:04] <TheRealInsane> I'm an idiot
[11:04] <stdin> TheRealInsane: replace "command" with the actual commaND
[11:04] <TheRealInsane> Just noticed that
[11:04] <TheRealInsane> Thing is, I don't know the command
[11:04] <Tenen> if i do a grep atheros i can see the card, but its not in network manager or anything and pag told me that kubuntu doesnt install madwifi by default
[11:04] <Tenen> pag told me kubuntu doesnt by default install madwifi
[11:04] <pag> Tenen, I just looked at my sytem - and I don't have them installed  and since I can't recall removing them I just assumed they weren't
[11:04] <Tenen> yet ubuntu does
[11:05] <stdin> Tenen: one last time, Kubuntu installs the madwifi drivers by default
[11:05] <Tenen> well this card worked 100% in ubuntu on base install and now doesnt pickup in kubuntu unless i do  a grep atheros
[11:05] <harebosi> hello
[11:05] <Tenen> well somewhere im getting screwed
[11:05] <harebosi> I need help
[11:05] <stdin> TheRealInsane: try "sudo modprobe ath_pci"
[11:05] <stdin> Tenen:  try "sudo modprobe ath_pci"
[11:05] <Tenen> so how do i get the card to work then stdin
[11:05] <TheRealInsane> Did. Nothing happened.
[11:05] <stdin> TheRealInsane: ignore that, wrong name :)
[11:06] <TheRealInsane> Lol
[11:06] <Tenen> sudo modprobe ath_pci - that will force the card to work?
[11:06] <TheRealInsane> Anybody installed the "3dchess" package?
[11:06] <Tenen> or what does that do
[11:06] <stdin> Tenen: tell me if you get an error
[11:06] <Tenen> k stdin but i gotta restart
[11:07] <ching> is my best option to reinstall?
[11:07] <Tenen> caus its on a diff partition
[11:07] <pag> TheRealInsane, open konsole and type " 3dchess "?
[11:07] <Tenen> but i got no internet due to no wifi
[11:07] <Tenen> so i gotta restart log kubuntu get error then restart log windows and msg u
[11:07] <Tenen> its a pain in the ass
[11:07] <Tenen> but i will
[11:07] <TheRealInsane> pag, command doesn't exist
[11:07] <Tenen> no wifi = no internet for me
[11:07] <TheRealInsane> pag, it comes with a scarce documentation, but not enough to tell how to start it
[11:08] <pag> TheRealInsane, try: which 3dchess  (that's also a command)
[11:08] <Tenen> also real quick stdin how do i copy the .txt that i will make of the error to my windows partition
[11:08] <Tenen> it tells me cannot write file
[11:08] <TheRealInsane> pag, nothing. nothing at all
[11:08] <Tenen> how do i get full write access of my ntfs partitions
[11:08] <stdin> Tenen: you'd need the ntfs-3g driver to do that
[11:09] <pag> TheRealInsane, does apt-cache policy 3dchess  tell you you have it installed?
[11:09] <TheRealInsane> !ntfs-3g | Tenen
[11:09] <ubotu> Tenen: ntfs-3g is a Linux driver which allows read/write access to NTFS partitions. Installation instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MountingWindowsPartitions
[11:09] <Tenen> great more shit i cant do while im offfline
[11:09] <Tenen> i cant do shit on this kubuntu install till i get wifi working
[11:09] <Tenen> my wifi is my internet
[11:09] <stdin> Tenen: it'd only be 1 line of an error
[11:09] <TheRealInsane> Yep, installed.
[11:09] <Tenen> k
[11:09] <Tenen> restarting
[11:12] <keisangi> hi there,
[11:12] <keisangi> how do i setup which services are auto started when system boot up in kubuntu / ubuntu ?
[11:12] <keisangi> for exemple if i would like kdm to not automaticaly start when system boot up
[11:13] <keisangi> how can i do that ?
[11:13] <stdin> keisangi: System Settings > Advanced > System Services
[11:13] <berkes> where is the score for "most used applications" in the kmenu kept?
[11:13] <keisangi> stdin, i'm not running any desktop (no kde or gnome)
[11:14] <keisangi> i'm trying to setup my own environment, using X and compiz
[11:14] <keisangi> it works fine .. i just wish kdm doesn't auto start
[11:15] <keisangi> do you know any way to setup this from a console ? (no kde menu, i'm using a plain term)
[11:15] <stdin> keisangi: you said in ubuntu/kubuntu that implies a desktop, if you want to stop kdm from starting run: sudo update-rc.d -f kdm remove
[11:16] <keisangi> so that's how it works in ubuntu ? with update-rc.d command ?
[11:16] <keisangi> i try ..
[11:16] <stdin> keisangi: it works in the terminal, independent of desktop environment
[11:16] <CensorBard> .....help. Somehow, my KDE-equivalent of the Windows taskbar has disappeared.
[11:17] <keisangi> stdin, can i use this comamnd to list all the services (daemons) to check their status ? (auto-start or disabled)
[11:17] <stdin> keisangi: no
[11:17] <keisangi> what could i use for this purpose ?
[11:17] <stdin> CensorBard: Alt-F2, type in: kicker
[11:17] <stdin> keisangi: ls
[11:17] <stdin> keisangi: eg, "ls /etc/rc2.d/" for the default rinlevel
[11:18] <stdin> *runlevel
[11:18] <keisangi> fedora had a small term based gui .. called "setup" was easy to use
[11:18] <stdin> keisangi: fedora doesn't use the same init system
[11:18] <keisangi> i see
[11:19] <keisangi> i think i remember i tryed once a tool called sysvconf or something like that?
[11:19] <CensorBard> stdin: No go. It should be noted that the bar is not popping up on startup.
[11:19] <keisangi> some kind of term based admin prog to setup services
[11:20] <stdin> !info sysvconfig | keisangi
[11:20] <ubotu> keisangi: sysvconfig: A text menu based utility for configuring init script links. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.70 (feisty), package size 22 kB, installed size 136 kB
[11:20] <stdin> CensorBard: hmm, does it work for any other users?
[11:21] <keisangi> nice one :)
[11:21] <keisangi> just was i needed, i'm using this now, thanks for the help stdin :)
[11:21] <CensorBard> stdin: I wouldn't know. I am the only user configured on this box.
[11:22] <CensorBard> stdin: Well. Aside from root.
[11:22] <stdin> CensorBard: open konsole (by pressing Alt-F2 and typing konsole in) and in there put "mv ~/.kde/share/config/kickerrc{,.bak}" (copy and paste that)
[11:23] <CensorBard> stdin: Done. Next step?
[11:23] <TheRealInsane> Is it possible to assign a key shortcut (Alt + Ctrl + Tab) to a console command? "3ddesk"
[11:24] <stdin> CensorBard: after that logout and log back in
[11:24] <CensorBard> Off I go, then.
[11:24] <keisangi> now i would like to make a script that does that:  execute "X" then xterm -display :0 & and then from that xterm execute "compiz --replace" ;)
[11:25] <stdin> TheRealInsane: you can assign a shortcut to any command from System Settings -> Keyboard & Mouse -> Keyboard Shortcuts
[11:26] <stdin> keisangi: just put all commands in a text file and make it executable, remember to set the DISPLAY variable tho
[11:26] <CensorBard> stdin: Ah, excellent everything works again, thanks. What was that string again? I want to c&p that to a reference file for later.
[11:27] <keisangi> stdin, yes, but then how do i make "compiz --replace" command to execute in that newly created xterm ?
[11:27] <stdin> CensorBard: "mv ~/.kde/share/config/kickerrc{,.bak}" it just moves the config file for kicker so the settings are reset to default.
[11:27] <TheRealInsane> stdin, That menu doesn't let me assign shortcuts to actual console commands, just to individual programs
[11:28] <stdin> keisangi: xterm -e compiz --replace
[11:28] <keisangi> stdin, great :)
[11:28] <stdin> TheRealInsane: it should be in the kmenu, if not try running "kbuildsycoca"
[11:29] <CensorBard> stdin: Good to know. But I'll keep it for reference so I don't have to futz with the syntax while I learn Linux. Odd that kicker would die when I'm working on getting my two extra buttons on my mouse to work, though.
[11:29] <TheRealInsane> stdin, huh?
[11:29] <keisangi> stdin, you wouldn't know of any way to create menus in plain X by any chance ? i mean right click to have a menu to select apps from .. i'm after a simple and fast solution to create my own menu, so i can put my apps in it to start them easily ..
[11:29] <nicolai_> CensorBard: Kicker can die from anything. There is a reason it is going to be replaced in KDE 4.0
[11:30] <stdin> keisangi: you'd have to use a window manager for that
[11:30] <runlevelten> keisangi: try fluxbox.
[11:30] <keisangi> i use compiz and emerald
[11:30] <stdin> TheRealInsane: the command I gave should rescan the menu entries
[11:30] <CensorBard> nicolai_: Point taken.
[11:31] <keisangi> bah i'll try to find something .. someone have to have created a simple tool to have menus on plain X ..
[11:31] <runlevelten> ~/.fluxbox/menu
[11:31] <stdin> keisangi: you'll just have to run each command manually, or make a C program to do it
[11:31] <keisangi> runlevelten, fluxbox doesn't seems to like compiz fusion
[11:31] <TheRealInsane> stdin ERROR: No database available!
[11:32] <keisangi> stdin, i see ..
[11:32] <TheRealInsane> stdin, anyways, why would I want to rebuild the menu? It has the program in question in it already, although the program in question doesn't let me do what I want
[11:33] <runlevelten> keisangi: so you're after a root window menu without any wm?
[11:33] <keisangi> i'm using backstep to iconify my windows .. works nice
[11:34] <keisangi> runlevelten, yes kind of.. i'm using X and compiz --replace, so i can use all compiz goodies from a simple X session .. i use feh to setup a wallpaper, and backstep to iconify my windows
[11:34] <keisangi> only thing left is a kind of app launcher .. would be nice if it would be a small and simple menu
[11:35] <keisangi> i can launch everything from a term manually  but ..
[11:37] <TheRealInsane> How do I execute a shell script?
[11:37] <keisangi> TheRealInsane, you setup executable attribute
[11:37] <keisangi> with chmod +x myscript
[11:37] <stdin> TheRealInsane: type the path to it, or if it's in the same directory, put ./scriptname.sh (replacing "scriptname.sh")
[11:38] <keisangi> and then from a term you simply give to path to it:  /home/TheRealInsane/myscript
[11:38] <Tenen> So it turns out that my install was screwed
[11:38] <Tenen> Im currently on the live disc reinstalling
[11:39] <Tenen> wifi works on this
[11:40] <TheRealInsane> Damnit!
[11:40] <TheRealInsane> I can't install flash for konquerer?
[11:40] <Tenen> why not
[11:40] <nicolai_> TheRealInsane: You should be able to
[11:40] <TheRealInsane> How would I?
[11:41] <TheRealInsane> Where would I download it?
[11:41] <stdin> TheRealInsane: from the repositories
[11:41] <TheRealInsane> The installer from adobe.com isn't for Konquerer
[11:41] <nicolai_> TheRealInsane: install the mozilla flash plugin in Adept.
[11:41] <TheRealInsane> Oh, lemme test that
[11:41] <stdin> !info flashplugin-nonfree
[11:41] <ubotu> flashplugin-nonfree: Adobe Flash Player plugin installer. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 9.0.48.0.0ubuntu1~7.04.1 (feisty), package size 15 kB, installed size 108 kB (Only available for i386)
[11:43] <TheRealInsane> So yeah, I still haven't been able to assign a keyboard shortcut to a command line command
[11:43] <CensorBard> So. Anyone else have a MX500 series optical mouse that they got to work properly? Mines seems to not want to work, imwheel or otherwise.
[11:44] <Tenen> any mud clients for kubuntu?
[11:45] <runlevelten> Tenen: kildclient
[11:45] <Tenen> any way i can just telnet in while im waiting for install to finsih?
[11:45] <CensorBard> Tenen: TF if you want a console-based one. goes well with Yakuake. Kmuddy if you want a GUI-based one.
[11:45] <runlevelten> telnet server port
[11:45] <Tenen> ive used mm2k on windows all the time
[11:46] <TheRealInsane> or telnet, and inside o server port
[11:46] <Tenen> that and mmconsole
[11:46] <runlevelten> kmuddy < kildclient.
[11:46] <CensorBard> runlevelten: Really? I have a friend that swears by Kmuddy.
[11:46] <runlevelten> I used to love papaya until it basically became abandonware and I didn't have time to pick it up.
[11:47] <runlevelten> tf5 is alright, too. Just not my cup of tea.
[11:48] <runlevelten> keisangi: are there any root menu plugins for beryl/compiz/compiz-fusion/whatever it is this week?
[11:48] <runlevelten> I see an old one for beryl...
[11:49] <rami> !sudo
[11:49] <ubotu> sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[11:49] <TheRealInsane> !beryl
[11:49] <ubotu> beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. Help in #ubuntu-effects
[11:49] <rami> !googleearth
[11:49] <ubotu> Google Earth is now available, for free (only as in price), for Linux, too. To download it see http://earth.google.com/download-earth.html - A package for Ubuntu is available in the !Medibuntu repository
[11:50] <rami> !medibuntu
[11:50] <ubotu> medibuntu is a repository of packages that cannot be included into the Ubuntu distribution for legal reasons - See http://www.medibuntu.org
[11:50] <keisangi> runlevelten, i don't know yet i'm googling about it.. if you found something i'd gladly hear it :)
[11:50] <TheRealInsane> So what's the difference between xubuntu, ubuntu, kubuntu and editbuntu?
[11:51] <rami> the desktop environments
[11:51] <stdin> TheRealInsane: the Desktop Environment installed by default
[11:51] <runlevelten> desktopclick apparently
[11:51] <keisangi> runlevelten, thanks for the info i'm looking for it
[11:51] <rami> any way to avoid password prompts?
[11:52] <runlevelten> Oh for God's sake at xml pages: http://planet.beryl-project.org/atom.xml
[11:52] <TheRealInsane> Weee! beryl
[11:52] <runlevelten> Complete SPAM as far as I'm concerned.
[11:52] <runlevelten> great for RSS, but not what I ask Google for :(
[11:52] <Tenen> why when im installing as i am now does half the progress bar dissapear and i cant see how far install is
[11:53] <Tenen> chat rami if ya talking bout konsole then yeah
[11:53] <Tenen> right click on shell and go root shell
[11:53] <stdin> rami: sudo -i
[11:54] <keisangi> what should i do with PKGBUILD  files ?
[11:54] <rami> ok
[11:54] <Tenen> why when im installing as i am now does half the progress bar dissapear and i cant see how far install is
[11:54] <keisangi> how can i build a .deb out of them ?
[11:54] <stdin> keisangi: pkgbuild files are for slackware (and other) .tgz packages
[11:55] <keisangi> stdin, i see
[11:55] <Tenen> man this is annoying i dont know how far i am from finished with install
[11:56] <Tenen> caus progress bar half of its dissapeared
[11:56] <runlevelten> keisangi:  http://forum.compiz.org/viewtopic.php?t=664
[11:56] <keisangi> :)
[11:56] <keisangi> i look
[11:57] <keisangi> runlevelten, looks exactly about what i'm after .. if only i could make it works ..
[11:58] <keisangi> runlevelten, seems it doesn't compile at all, it complains for beryl.h
[11:58] <keisangi> i'm not sure it would run on compiz-fusion
[11:59] <runlevelten> it seems like it needs porting, tbh
[12:03] <insane> Lord help me!
[12:03] <TheRealInsane> I installed beryl, started it (after configuring) and now my window border is completely gone
[12:04] <TheRealInsane> Which means I can't move my windows around or click the buttons
[12:04] <Tenen> is beryl another window manager like kde and gnome?
[12:05] <TheRealInsane> Yep
[12:05] <Tenen> what dif between it and kde
[12:05] <TheRealInsane> Full graphical awesomeness
[12:05] <TheRealInsane> Eye candy
[12:05] <runlevelten> kde and gnome are desktop environments, not window managers :)
[12:05] <Tenen> so a no go on my older machine :P
[12:05] <TheRealInsane> Anyways, what's the <Super> button?
[12:05] <TheRealInsane> Hehe
[12:06] <runlevelten> you could run a window manager and a desktop environment at the same time, for instance ;)
[12:06] <TheRealInsane> It works, but the window border is missing, nothing else
[12:06] <Tenen> i got an old athlon xp 2.6 ghz + 512mb ram running this
[12:06] <Tenen> so beryl will choke right?
[12:06] <runlevelten> Tenen: it doesn't have high requirements
[12:06] <runlevelten> Tenen: it's about what graphics card you have.
[12:06] <Tenen> 256mb crappy gfore
[12:06] <Tenen> gforce
[12:07] <Tenen> budget old pc now :P
[12:07] <runlevelten> what geforce?
[12:07] <runlevelten> Nothing you've said so far rules you out. wot gf?
[12:07] <Tenen> gforce 6200a
[12:07] <Tenen> 256mb
[12:07] <Tenen> its a chaintech carc
[12:07] <TheRealInsane> What's the <Super> button on the keyboard!?
[12:07] <Tenen> card
[12:07] <lazz0> since when 256 is crappy
[12:07] <TheRealInsane> Several key combos use it
[12:07] <nicolai_> TheRealInsane: windows :P
[12:07] <Tenen> considering you get 700mb cards 256 mb is shit now :P
[12:08] <Tenen> and considering this is old agp 8x vs pci express
[12:08] <TheRealInsane> nicolai_, Huh!?
[12:08] <Tenen> its a shit card
[12:08] <TheRealInsane> Oh
[12:08] <TheRealInsane> nvm
[12:08] <nicolai_> TheRealInsane: The windows logo between ctrl and alt
[12:08] <runlevelten> I ran beryl on a 64 mb geforce 4 mx440 for a while.
[12:08] <TheRealInsane> Ye, just got it
[12:08] <runlevelten> worked OK.
[12:08] <Tenen> and it works fine?
[12:08] <lazz0> runlevelten,mine is the same
[12:08] <lazz0> so i may try it out
[12:08] <runlevelten> wasn't dreamily fast, but it worked fine.
[12:08] <Tenen> so reckon my 256mb card will do ok?
[12:09] <lazz0> hah
[12:09] <Tenen> all it is is eye candy??
[12:09] <runlevelten> depends, I think that card may actually be weaker, heh
[12:09] <Tenen> holy crap this install has been configuring time for like 10 mins
[12:09] <runlevelten> Tenen: not just eye candy, useful productivity tools if you do a lot of work on a computer
[12:10] <runlevelten> scale etc are useful.
[12:10] <Tenen> like what
[12:10] <TheRealInsane> runlevelten How did you install/start it without errors?
[12:10] <runlevelten> like scale, and the very fast manipulation of windows.
[12:11] <runlevelten> if you use lots of multiwindow apps to work on the same projects, being able to take a window to another desktop without delay is nice too.
[12:11] <runlevelten> TheRealInsane: When I had that card, I used SuSE
[12:11] <CARCASS> hello, i need help with one question: how could i "uninstall" midnight commander which i previously compiled and installed? mc is the last snapshot, kubuntu 7.04 russian localization. Thanks for some answers.
[12:12] <runlevelten> CARCASS: you dropped it on from make install?
[12:12] <CARCASS> -= runlevelten =- exactly
[12:13] <runlevelten> if you still have the makefile, you may be able to remove it using make uninstall or make remove
[12:14] <runlevelten> failing that, you could delete them manually...
[12:14] <runlevelten> I tend to use checkinstall if I'll want to remove them using apt.
[12:14] <runlevelten> you might get away with installing it again using checkinstall, then removing it.
[12:14] <CARCASS> checkinstall
[12:14] <runlevelten> because apt-get remove would then delete your files I reckon.
[12:15] <runlevelten> but check the makefile first, it might let you uninstall it.
[12:15] <CARCASS> no, apt-get thinks that mc isn't installed )
[12:15] <runlevelten> CARCASS, Yes, unless you use checkinstall.
[12:15] <CARCASS> okay thanks :)
[12:16] <runlevelten> try make remove or whatever, failing that, ./configure && make && sudo checkinstall, then apt-get remove it.
[12:16] <insane> DAmnit
[12:16] <insane> Beryl crashed my pc
[12:18] <josef> hey guys i have a problem
[12:18] <josef> can anybody help me
[12:18] <TheRealInsane> How do I deactivate my second monitor?
[12:19] <TheRealInsane> Basically it got quite strangely configured, normal desktop manager tells me I have only one monitor with 2560x1024 pixels
[12:23] <rotem> Can someone, please, refer to a link about reinstaliing kubuntu, with out losing my documents?
[12:38] <runlevelten> Can anyone else confirm something's broken for me please?
[12:39] <runlevelten> "Administrator Mode" in kcontrol's font installer.
[12:40] <nmick> runlevelten: works for me
[12:40] <nmick> runlevelten: when you say kcontrol you mean system settings?
[12:41] <runlevelten> no, kcontrol
[12:42] <runlevelten> specifically with the config part running in kde control center
[12:45] <TheRealInsane> YAY!!
[12:45] <TheRealInsane> I got Beryl to work with all it's full special effects!!!
[12:46] <nmick> runlevelten: Can't see anything wrong on my computer
[12:46] <runlevelten> What, you can log into admin mode?
[12:47] <runlevelten> I'm just seeing the red border, and it gives up.
[12:48] <nmick> runlevelten: Try closing kcontrol and opening it again. Alternatively you may have to reboot.
[12:48] <nmick> runlevelten: I tried what you describe back in Edgy.
[12:50] <runlevelten> Nah, 'sjust dead. I guess I'll play with it later and see what it is
[12:50] <runlevelten> thanks though :)
[12:57] <insane> So yeah
[12:57] <insane> What button is "Next" on the keyboard?
[12:58] <TheRealInsane> 'cause a keyboard shortcut is telling me to press "<Control><Alt>Next"
[12:58] <cabuloso> how do i install a window decoration theme ?
[12:58] <ciacon> has anyone got a hint what I can use for simple audio-editing... (super simple cut.....)
[01:01] <nmick> TheRealInsane: it could be the right arrowkey
[01:02] <nmick> ciacon: krecord might work for you
[01:04] <ciacon> nmick: can I also use it to cut mp3s??
[01:05] <nicolai_> ciacon: I think so. It's been a long time since I used it.
[01:05] <TheRealInsane> Anybody know how to use Emerald Theme Manager?
[01:05] <cabuloso> i need help to install this -> http://www.kde-look.org/content/download.php?content=32613&id=1
[01:06] <cabuloso> anyone ?
[01:10] <lazz0> ciacon,audacity
[01:10] <Tenen> hi guys
[01:10] <nicolai_> lazz0: not really for simple uses :P
[01:10] <Tenen> got it working now
[01:10] <Tenen> t
[01:11] <Tenen> thanks for all the help
[01:11] <Tenen> got the wifi to work was a dodgy install
[01:11] <Tenen> so  i reinstalled and it works
[01:11] <Tenen> can anyone tell me why i cant find skype by searchign with adaptive package manager
[01:11] <lazz0> nicolai_,it is, i make ringtones for my sony
[01:11] <lazz0> :)
[01:11] <nicolai_> Tenen: you need to enable restricted software.
[01:12] <Tenen> what is skype clients name in repository list, it cant find skyp
[01:12] <Tenen> how do i do that nicolai?
[01:12] <nicolai_> Tenen: You might also need to add this: http://medibuntu.sos-sts.com/
[01:12] <_Shade_> hey is there any way to have composite running smooth on gf2?
[01:13] <praecox> hey, I'm running Kubuntu Gutsy, is there any way I can make Xgl uses Xinerama not TwinView?
[01:13] <praecox> use*
[01:13] <Tenen> ok umm nicolai that urls crashes my adapt manager
[01:13] <Tenen> it now quits
[01:14] <Tenen> nikolai broke my adapt manager :(
[01:14] <nicolai_> Tenen: System -> Adept -> manage repositories (sp? I use a different language) -> proprietary
[01:14] <nicolai_> Tenen: wait, how did you add it?
[01:15] <Tenen> i added it but now adaptive wont load it says : The APT Database could not be opened! This may be caused by incorrect APT configuration or some similar problem. Try running apt-setup and apt-get update in terminal and see if it helps to resolve the problem.
[01:15] <Tenen> that broke it :(
[01:15] <nicolai_> Tenen: it was just the homepage :P
[01:15] <nicolai_> Tenen: 2 sec
[01:15] <Tenen> snore
[01:15] <elite101> yes my adept is broken too i cant even add or remove programs?
[01:15] <ciacon> thanks lazz0
[01:15] <elite101> it wont let me open the notifyer upadte thing or even update adpet
[01:16] <elite101> adept*
[01:16] <tomi> check that your /etc/apt/sources.list is not corrupt
[01:16] <lazz0> hf sweetheart
[01:16] <tomi> i.e. typos. random letters
[01:16] <nicolai_> Tenen, elite101: First open this in root: /etc/apt/sources.list
[01:16] <elite101> how?
[01:17] <tomi> sudo kate /etc/apt/sources.list
[01:17] <Tenen> sudo http://medibuntu.sos-sts.com/
[01:17] <Tenen> snore wrong paste
[01:17] <elite101> i tried to open up a .deb for limewire and now it "broke" while installing ever since then i cant get into adept and i was going to have to do a complete re-install
[01:17] <Tomi-idle> try sudo apt-get -f install
[01:17] <nicolai_> Tenen, elite101: One way to do this is to right click on the file, choose actions, and then "edit as root"
[01:17] <Tomi-idle> in terminal
[01:17] <Tenen> X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 167
[01:17] <Tenen>   Major opcode:  144
[01:18] <Tenen>   Minor opcode:  3
[01:18] <Tenen>   Resource id:  0x0
[01:18] <Tenen> Failed to open device
[01:18] <Tenen> X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 167
[01:18] <Tenen>   Major opcode:  144
[01:18] <Tenen>   Minor opcode:  3
[01:18] <Tenen>   Resource id:  0x0
[01:18] <Tenen> Failed to open device
[01:18] <Tomi-idle> Tenen: that's propably because you have wacom on on your xorg.conf
[01:18] <Tomi-idle> those are not to be worried about
[01:18] <elite101> edit what as root the .debain file?
[01:18] <elite101> debian*
[01:18] <nicolai_> Tenen: Many people break adept, just follow my instructions so far
[01:18] <Tenen> ok i fixed it
[01:18] <Tenen> thanks
[01:18] <Tomi-idle> Tenen: if you want the  warnings to go away and you dont have a wacom tablet. edit xorg.conf and remove the sections pointing to it. or # then
[01:18] <Tenen> i just had to remove that faulty repos i added
[01:19] <elite101> okay im in the source page
[01:19] <elite101> using konqueror
[01:19] <nicolai_> Tenen: So adept works now?
[01:19] <Tenen> so now i need the illegal repositories :P
[01:19] <Tenen> yeah i fixed it
[01:19] <Tenen> thanks
[01:19] <elite101> but i have to open it up in terminal
[01:19] <Tomi-idle> they're not illegal. lol
[01:19] <Tenen> i just had to remove that webpage i added as a repo
[01:19] <Tenen> well skype etc,
[01:19] <Tenen> i need those
[01:19] <Tomi-idle> unless you're in the us.. nm
[01:19] <Tomi-idle> they're proprietery
[01:20] <nicolai_> elite101: do you see anything that is out of the ordinary?
[01:20] <elite101> bash: /etc/apt/sources.list: Permission denied
[01:20] <Tomi-idle> closed source -- thus potentially dangerous since you can't check out the code
[01:20] <elite101> um
[01:20] <Tomi-idle> elite101: you need to edit it in root
[01:20] <TheRealInsane> Can anybody help me run a java program on linux?
[01:20] <elite101> ohh how do i sign in as root?
[01:20] <Tomi-idle> you can also press alt-f2 and type "kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list"
[01:20] <elite101> yes i do it says failed something
[01:21] <Tomi-idle> if you use alt-f2 you need kdesu
[01:21] <_4strO> elite101: sudo ...
[01:21] <Tomi-idle> if you use konsole(or other terminal) you need sudo
[01:21] <elite101> what?
[01:21] <Tenen> sudo blah blah blah
[01:21] <nicolai_> elite101: kdesu kate '/etc/apt/sources.list'
[01:21] <elite101> wow thats all i can understand too many ppl
[01:21] <elite101> what
[01:21] <Tenen> sudo kate /etc/apt/sources.list - do that
[01:21] <Tenen> in a console
[01:21] <elite101> k
[01:21] <Tenen> then type in your password
[01:21] <Tenen> then an editor will popup
[01:21] <elite101> that made more sense
[01:21] <Tenen> remove the shitty repository you added
[01:21] <Tenen> and save
[01:21] <Tenen> then open adaptive
[01:22] <nicolai_> Tenen, elite101: Do NOT use Sudo in this case
[01:22] <Tenen> i used sudo and it fixed mine
[01:22] <Tenen> without sudo it didnt give me privs
[01:22] <Tenen> without sudo its like access denied bs
[01:22] <nicolai_> Tenen, elite101: you should use kdesu
[01:22] <elite101> okay it works :)
[01:22] <elite101> well this way works
[01:22] <elite101> good to its opend up in kate now
[01:22] <Tomi-idle> kdesu fails on console for me :/ almost always has
[01:22] <Tenen> if i wish to add the medibuntu shit to repository which address do i add?
[01:23] <elite101> well i have the source opend in kate now what?
[01:23] <nicolai_> elite101: It can lead to problems using sudo for gui's. kdesu is safer
[01:23] <nicolai_> Tenen: look at the webpage I gave you.
[01:23] <Tomi-idle> google "medibuntu repository codecs" :/
[01:23] <elite101> well this way works so why get frusturated over opeing something i dont even know what it is yet :S
[01:23] <nicolai_> Tenen: http://medibuntu.sos-sts.com/
[01:24] <elite101> kded: ERROR: Communication problem with kded, it probably crashed.
[01:24] <elite101> kate: WARNING: Can't open /root/share/apps/konqueror/bookmarks.xml
[01:24] <Tenen> whats diff between skype static and normal skype
[01:24] <Tenen> i added it nicolai thanks
[01:24] <elite101> why do i have to open up the source in KATE?
[01:24] <Tomi-idle> static has the libs built in it
[01:24] <Tenen> elite101 you got it fixed yet?
[01:25] <Tomi-idle> or something like that
[01:25] <elite101> no i dont know what to do?
[01:25] <Tenen> elite caus ur source list is broken hence adapt dont work
[01:25] <Tenen> did you add any dodgy repository?
[01:25] <elite101> my problem is that i opend up a limewire file (.deb) and it broke durin install and now i cant get into anything adept like
[01:25] <elite101> how?
[01:25] <Tomi-idle> kate is the default editor in kde <.< .. you can use nano or any other if you like
[01:25] <Tenen> i think you can maybe just clear that file and replace it with what ive got in mine
[01:25] <nicolai_> elite101: kate can edit the file, but needs administrator priveledges.
[01:25] <Tenen> should work then
[01:26] <elite101> well i dont wanna screw my system over
[01:26] <nicolai_> elite101: ahh, then your problem most likely isn't with the sources list.
[01:26] <elite101> uhh i have to do another re-install the last time sudo crashed like 50times
[01:26] <elite101> thought so
[01:26] <TheRealInsane> Yaaay!
[01:27] <TheRealInsane> KDE games
[01:27] <nicolai_> elite101: no need to reinstall
[01:27] <elite101> well how do i uninstall it? the limewire
[01:27] <elite101> it wont let me at all no matter what u do
[01:27] <nicolai_> elite101: What does Adept say when you open it?
[01:27] <nicolai_> elite101: "read-only"?
[01:27] <elite101> uhhh srew privvate mssgs
[01:27] <elite101> i cant talk to ppl anyways
[01:28] <elite101> what
[01:28] <elite101> nicolai_, sorry tomany ppl talking to me
[01:28] <elite101> 1sec
[01:28] <Jahmon> rofl
[01:28] <Jahmon> i crashed client by flooding
[01:28] <Jahmon> snore
[01:28] <Jahmon> what is diff between skype and skype-static?
[01:28] <Jahmon> anyone care to explain
[01:29] <elite101> omg adept not even working?
[01:29] <elite101> i opend it up but its not loading now?
[01:29] <phimic> hi all
[01:29] <Jahmon> what diff between skype and skype-static plz
[01:29] <phimic> is the version info shown in dpkg -s a ubuntu specific version
[01:30] <nicolai_> elite101: not loading at all? then you need to type: ctrl + esc
[01:30] <nicolai_> elite101: search for adept
[01:30] <Jahmon> what is diff between skype and skype static
[01:30] <nicolai_> elite101: kill the process
[01:30] <Jahmon> one is 4mb bigger
[01:30] <elite101> nope
[01:30] <nicolai_> Jahmon: just install skype
[01:30] <elite101> nothing
[01:30] <Jahmon> what is skype static
[01:30] <elite101> my system is screwed
[01:31] <elite101> so u guys never download a .deb from limwire.com it will mess ur computer up
[01:31] <phimic> for example the package shorewall has the version 3.2.6 on the official website it has the version 4.0
[01:31] <nicolai_> elite101: no adept open?
[01:31] <elite101> nope
[01:31] <elite101> my system is screwed
[01:31] <elite101> stupid limewire
[01:31] <elite101> see what piracy does to  ur system
[01:31] <nicolai_> elite101: don't give up hope
[01:31] <elite101> well i cant do anything now
[01:31] <elite101> i cant tell u what it says im not sure exactly
[01:32] <runlevelten> who downloads debs from limewire?! Dude.
[01:32] <elite101> well frostwire didnt work
[01:32] <runlevelten> ?!!
[01:32] <elite101> so i tried limewire
[01:32] <runlevelten> ?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
[01:32] <elite101> im not sure why. just another misstake i wont do again
[01:32] <nicolai_> elite101: let us try doing a gentle reboot. Make sure everything is saved, type ctrl + alt + backspace
[01:32] <Jahmon> any good software i should install?
[01:32] <cj_> how do i install flash for konqueror
[01:32] <runlevelten> If you actually phoned people up and asked them to coma and format your drive, your machine would last longer.
[01:32] <elite101> well when i do that bye
[01:33] <runlevelten> You would at least have a chance nobody could be bothered, lol
[01:33] <elite101> uh? me
[01:33] <Jahmon> what software is useful e.g. media codecs what can i install so movies /tv series work
[01:33] <elite101> well when i do a reboot then what?
[01:33] <Jahmon> and what is that ntfs thing for having root on windows drives
[01:34] <elite101> uhhh!!!
[01:34] <runlevelten> You've installed debs from limewire and are still running the system elite?
[01:34] <elite101> why do i wanna re-boot
[01:34] <nicolai_> elite101: then adept should be responding again, and we can find what needs fixing :)
[01:34] <elite101> okay bhrb
[01:34] <elite101> brb*
[01:34] <Jahmon> what is that ntfs changer thingy that allows ya to write to ntfs drives
[01:34] <Jahmon> anyone know?
[01:34] <nicolai_> Jahmon: ntfs-config
[01:34] <runlevelten> nicolai_: there is no way you should be advising people to keep running a machine after installing broken debs from limewire, tbh.
[01:34] <Dragnslcr> !ntfs-3g
[01:34] <ubotu> ntfs-3g is a Linux driver which allows read/write access to NTFS partitions. Installation instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MountingWindowsPartitions
[01:35] <Jahmon> and for media codecs where do i get that?
[01:35] <nicolai_> runlevelten: I have no idea what limewire is :P
[01:35] <runlevelten> kazaa, basically.
[01:35] <Jahmon> limewire is like kazaa a p2p program
[01:35] <nicolai_> runlevelten: so full of spyware?
[01:35] <Dragnslcr> And why would anyone download packages from Limewire?
[01:36] <Jahmon> what is a good media codec pack for linux?
[01:36] <runlevelten> nicolai_: in Linux binary packages, rootkits.
[01:36] <cj_> !f;ash
[01:36] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about f;ash - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:36] <cj_> !flash
[01:36] <runlevelten> nicolai_: by the dozen.
[01:36] <ubotu> To install Flash see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/Flash - Flash 9 is now available in dapper-backports and edgy-backports - See also !Restricted and !Gnash
[01:36] <Jahmon> what is a good media codec pack for linux?
[01:36] <Dragnslcr> Does Limewire have packages that you can't for free anywhere else or something?
[01:36] <Jahmon> line in windows i use ace mega codec pack
[01:36] <Jahmon> dranslcr what they mean is he downloaded the .deb to install limewiere
[01:36] <Dragnslcr> !codecs | Jahmon
[01:36] <ubotu> Jahmon: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[01:36] <Jahmon> not from it
[01:36] <runlevelten> Dragnslcr: It's the worst possible place you could ever get a binary package from.
[01:37] <elite101> omg now nothing wants to run not even my wireless LAN thing man i messed up my system to the point u cant fix it xD !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[01:37] <p1ranha> hi! i seem to be having problems changing my workgroup. where exactly do i find it in kde?
[01:37] <Jahmon> can anyone tell me a reliable media codec pack i can download?
[01:37] <nicolai_> runlevelten: So even though adept crashed during the install, it would be too risky to just fix it and let be. Got it.
[01:37] <runlevelten> Dragnslcr: Virtually every binary package on it is a rootkit, and if one of my users had installed one off there and given it root privs,
[01:37] <elite101> my computer is done somedays i swear i feel like kicking the computer to death
[01:37] <runlevelten> I'd call that an immediate reinstall
[01:37] <elite101> for me
[01:38] <elite101> yes
[01:38] <runlevelten> no way of making the system binaries or anything else safe now.
[01:38] <elite101> yes i wanna do another re-install! wuu!
[01:38] <Jahmon> runlevelten can you please tell me a good media codec pack to download
[01:38] <Dragnslcr> runlevelten- but what do they have that the repositories don't? Or is it one of those "Check out this great screensaver!" things?
[01:38] <runlevelten> elite101: Ah well, just put it down to experience
[01:38] <Jahmon> i reinstalled twice today :(
[01:38] <elite101> yeah i know but that sucks
[01:38] <Jahmon> caus i broke the first wifi install
[01:38] <elite101> i did it 3times this week
[01:38] <runlevelten> Dragnslcr: Check out this version of Maya with a rootkit in it, but yeah
[01:38] <Jahmon> and the install crashd second time round
[01:38] <Dragnslcr> Jahmon- not until you pay attention to what you were already told
[01:39] <Jahmon> i did i went to go look
[01:39] <elite101> i have 1problem
[01:39] <nicolai_> Jahmon: w32codecs
[01:39] <elite101> when i install it says failed for security updates?!?!?!
[01:39] <runlevelten> elite101: Be very wary of "linux warez". Not many people are interested in it on this side.
[01:39] <elite101> do u have to be connected to the internet for someone to install kubuntu?
[01:39] <Dragnslcr> elite101- nope
[01:39] <runlevelten> elite101: no
[01:39] <elite101> well it fails
[01:40] <Jahmon> how come torrent comes installed by default then runlevelten :P
[01:40] <elite101> for security
[01:40] <elite101> and thats not a good thing
[01:40] <Jahmon> and i'd use grabit or altbinz if i wanted wrez
[01:40] <nicolai_> elite101: You don not have to be connected to the internet, but if you are, it will install security updates made after the release.
[01:40] <elite101> ahh so im sscrewed becuase i have wireless
[01:40] <elite101> it wont install if my wireless card is on
[01:40] <elite101> i tried it befor
[01:41] <Jahmon> so nicolai w32 is the name of a codec pack
[01:41] <runlevelten> Jahmon: because you use torrents for lots of things. Giving dodgy packages root isn't one of them. Ever.
[01:41] <elite101> kubuntu 7.04 i downloaded of torrent
[01:41] <elite101> wich i cant use
[01:41] <runlevelten> I distribute software using torrents, and I get software using torrents - especially distros.
[01:41] <elite101> someone messed the CD up
[01:41] <Jahmon> i never download off torrens
[01:41] <elite101> i know
[01:41] <Jahmon> torrents
[01:41] <Jahmon> newserver for me
[01:41] <elite101> i will install 7.04
[01:41] <elite101> instead of 6.06
[01:41] <elite101> lol
[01:42] <elite101> that should be alot better
[01:42] <runlevelten> Jahmon: I don't mean that kind of thing :\
[01:42] <squirrel> how do i remove the link created with ln command?
[01:42] <elite101> well brb in like 1hour
[01:42] <elite101> im going to install 7.04
[01:42] <p1ranha> rm i guess
[01:42] <runlevelten> elite101: have fun :(
[01:42] <Jahmon> will whatever program that handles media in kubuntu auto dl codecs if im online or ?
[01:42] <elite101> lol
[01:42] <elite101> bye
[01:42] <_Shade_> i'd like to set up some desktop effects in my kubuntu. Would desktop-effects package help me with setting it up with xgl?
[01:42] <Dragnslcr> squirrel- same as any other file
[01:42] <cj_> how do i enable proposed updates in kubuntu?
[01:42] <runlevelten> !non-free
[01:42] <Jahmon> i need to find a decent codecs package for watching movies etc
[01:42] <p1ranha> how do i change my workgroup name?
[01:43] <nicolai_> Jahmon: w32codecs is THE media codec package for Linux.
[01:43] <runlevelten> damn, what's non-free codecs again?
[01:43] <runlevelten> !codecs
[01:43] <Jahmon> well i cant find it in the adapt list
[01:43] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about non-free - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:43] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[01:43] <Jahmon> i searched w32 codecs
[01:43] <Dragnslcr> Jahmon- maybe if you told us what format you're actually looking for?
[01:43] <runlevelten> thanks
[01:43] <runlevelten> jahmon ^
[01:43] <Jahmon> anything and everything :P like windows i just use a codec pack and it plays anything
[01:43] <nicolai_> !w32codecs
[01:43] <ubotu> Seveas has a popular 3rd party repository for several packages, including the win32 codecs: see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - See also !Codecs
[01:43] <Jahmon> i cant be bothered to look for individual codecs
[01:43] <runlevelten> then don't.
[01:44] <runlevelten> "I want to swim in water and not get wet"
[01:44] <nicolai_> !restrictedformats
[01:44] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[01:44] <Dragnslcr> I believe the ffmpeg packages support just about every major format
[01:44] <elite101> lol do i need files in the harddrive? for kubuntu i was just going to go on a mad frusturated rampage and delete system files?
[01:44] <elite101> maybe it will make my system work again?
[01:44] <p1ranha> just reinstall it
[01:44] <elite101> yeah i kno
[01:45] <runlevelten> yeah, ffmpeg, mplayer, realplayer, nothing you can't play really.
[01:45] <Dragnslcr> There's also an Ubuntu Restricted option in Adept Installer
[01:45] <runlevelten> except DRM infected files, but obviously you have to install malware to play those - not gonna happen.
[01:45] <Jahmon> so what package can i search for in adept manager for codes - w32 brings up nothing and i have the non free repository added caus i just dled skype
[01:45] <Dragnslcr> Jahmon- did you actually look at the link you've been given twice?
[01:46] <nicolai_> Jahmon: but did you install the medibuntu repository that I linked you too?
[01:46] <runlevelten> Jahmon: I don't mean to be funny, but you're completely ignoring it when you're told!!
[01:46] <nicolai_> *to
[01:46] <cj_> them links only reference ubuntu - i dont see the settings in adept
[01:46] <Dragnslcr> It tells you -exactly- what to do
[01:46] <Jahmon> i did i searchd w32
[01:46] <Jahmon> and i went to a ubuntu link bout gstreamer
[01:46] <squirrel> thanks Dragnslcr
[01:46] <Jahmon> but im a newb
[01:46] <Dragnslcr> !codecs | For the last time, Jahmon
[01:46] <ubotu> For the last time, Jahmon: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[01:46] <Jahmon> it isnt showing up on adept and i did add the first repository nicolai gave me
[01:46] <Dragnslcr> Go follow the instructions
[01:47] <runlevelten> Jahmon: You can't expect other people to go and paste everything from those web pages into this channel, dude.
[01:47] <nicolai_> Dragnslcr: In his defence, the restrictedformats site used to be much simpler to follow
[01:47] <Dragnslcr> nicolai_- I don't see how it can be any simpler
[01:48] <Dragnslcr> There's only 3 steps for 7.04
[01:49] <nicolai_> Dragnslcr: yeah, okay, restricted extras. I just searched for w32codecs and couldn't find it :P
[01:50] <Dragnslcr> I don't have w32codecs installed, so I have no idea what it supports that the ffmpeg packages don't
[01:50] <Jahmon> hopefully everything
[01:51] <runlevelten> ooh, adept looks so much better if you switch everything to lucida sans unicode in sudo kcontrol
[01:51] <nicolai_> Dragnslcr: I have never used ffmpeg, but I haven't found a video format not supported by w32codecs
[01:52] <runlevelten> (size 7)
[01:52] <Dragnslcr> I haven't found a video format not supported by the ffmpeg library
[01:52] <Dragnslcr> wmv and mpg both work fine
[01:52] <runlevelten> there are some ogg issues iirc, which is ironic.
[01:53] <Dragnslcr> Heh
[01:53] <runlevelten> but yeah, ffmpeg == swiss army knife
[01:53] <runlevelten> I use it for everything from wmv to 3gp
[01:53] <Dragnslcr> Video players should be able to handle ogg without ffmpeg
[01:53] <Dragnslcr> I'd hope so, anyway
[01:53] <Jahmon> man shuttleworth clearly didnt invent kubuntu/ubuntu for south africans our bandwidth is so shitty it takes forever for updates
[01:53] <Dragnslcr> I don't think I've actually found any ogg video files
[01:53] <runlevelten> realplayer is good too. Not to confused with the windows crapware client.
[01:53] <Jahmon> and our dsl comes complete with a whole 3gb cap for the month
[01:54] <runlevelten> FSF ftw.
[01:54] <Jahmon> yay what can you do with 3gb, absolutely nothing
[01:54] <Dragnslcr> Heh, the Windows crapware client made me avoid anything "Real" like the Plague
[01:54] <runlevelten> Much of Africa has terrible tubes, doesn't it?
[01:54] <Jahmon> yeah sat3. eassy etc, all pieces of shit
[01:54] <Jahmon> bandwidth costs an arm and a leg
[01:55] <runlevelten> Dragnslcr: Yeah me too, for years, except for the beeb. The Linux Realplayer is a different kettle of fish, though.
[01:55] <Jahmon> for a 3gb cap, 384k dsl you are looking at 40 dollars a month
[01:55] <Jahmon> or so
[01:56] <Jahmon> and they term it broadband
[01:56] <Jahmon> max speed ofs 40k a sec
[01:56] <Jahmon> how shite is that
[01:56] <Jahmon> yeah but i bet its uncapped
[01:56] <Jahmon> bet you don get 3gb caps
[01:56] <Jahmon> where you hit 3gb and they cut you off
[01:56] <Jahmon> till next month
[01:56] <runlevelten> It is completely uncapped, that's part of why I pay 25 a month for it.
[01:56] <nicolai_> Jahmon: 100 mbit/s is 80 dollar/month here
[01:57] <Jahmon> unshaped too i bet
[01:57] <lazz0> Jahmon,i get 200-500k int peer and 2mb+ local peering for 10$
[01:57] <Jahmon> man fastest we got is like 4mb and that with say  10 gig cap will cost you about 100 dollars
[01:57] <lazz0> :)
[01:57] <lazz0> unlimited ofc
[01:57] <pawitp> My bandwidth isn't capped but highly shaped
[01:57] <p1ranha> 10 gb cap? upload and download?
[01:58] <Jahmon> yeah well ours is highly shaped and capped
[01:58] <Jahmon> so enjoy
[01:58] <Jahmon> yes
[01:58] <runlevelten> I could get 4 times the speed, but without the "benefits" I get :)
[01:58] <Jahmon> 10gb counts for u/l and d/l
[01:58] <p1ranha> including upload? that sucks
[01:58] <runlevelten> for a third of the price :)
[01:58] <Jahmon> yeah frikkin expensive
[01:58] <Jahmon> africa ftl
[01:58] <lazz0> no torrents 4u
[01:58] <p1ranha> hehe
[01:58] <Jahmon> we have a telecom monopoly tho
[01:58] <Jahmon> but in sept we get another rival company
[01:58] <Jahmon> yay
[01:58] <p1ranha> same issues with austrailia
[01:58] <runlevelten> tbh I use torrents on 512 without any real issue
[01:58] <Jahmon> yeah but atleast aus telekom is dcent
[01:58] <Jahmon> decent
[01:58] <runlevelten> but then I get access to much bigger lines when I want it.
[01:59] <p1ranha> *australia...their average package is 2 gb cap
[01:59] <Jahmon> and you didnt get affirmative action up the ying yang
[01:59] <Jahmon> i remember the days of electron/phoenix and zardoz
[01:59] <Jahmon> remember reading about that shit
[01:59] <Jahmon> australians were always in the news for hacking
[01:59] <Jahmon> was funny
[01:59] <pawitp> We call 128k broadband
[01:59] <PriceChild> !ohmy | Jahmon
[01:59] <ubotu> Jahmon: Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[01:59] <PriceChild> !offtopic
[01:59] <ubotu> #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[02:00] <nicolai_> Isn't it annoying having a capped connection? Having to think of how much you can download?
[02:00] <Jahmon> very annoying
[02:00] <Jahmon> i buy 30gb local only accs and dl as much as i can locally
[02:00] <Jahmon> then the 3gb i use international only
[02:00] <Jahmon> i have to run 2 accounts and route traffic int to int conn, local to local
[02:00] <PriceChild> Jahmon, nicolai_, You are offtopic. Please move to #kubuntu-offtopic
[02:01] <Jahmon> thats another thing
[02:01] <Jahmon> how cna i sort out routing in linux
[02:01] <Jahmon> i use routesentry in windows
[02:01] <Jahmon> to sort int/local apart
[02:01] <runlevelten> define sort it
[02:01] <runlevelten> *out
[02:01] <Jahmon> and seperate traffic to corresponding connection
[02:01] <runlevelten> don't you have a router to do that stuff with?
[02:02] <Jahmon> well in windows i use a local only acc and int only acc, i run em both at the same time and routesentry routes the local traffic thru local con and int through international con
[02:02] <Jahmon> as cap is so expensive i cant afford to waste it
[02:02] <pawitp> define local
[02:02] <pawitp> interms of ip
[02:02] <Jahmon> local as in local only , only south africa
[02:02] <Jahmon> shit a vast range
[02:02] <Jahmon> oops
[02:02] <Jahmon> sorry
[02:02] <runlevelten> :\
[02:02] <Jahmon> man ill probably find an ip table somewhere
[02:03] <pawitp> You can alway use the routing table
[02:03] <Jahmon> and ask the same people i got routesentry off
[02:03] <Jahmon> im sure the south african users will know
[02:03] <pawitp> To route traffic
[02:03] <Jahmon> caus they got the same issue
[02:03] <Jahmon> alot of them use a box with ipcop to route
[02:03] <Jahmon> i know that
[02:03] <Jahmon> others use mikrotek board
[02:03] <TheRealInsane> Can anybody tell me how to install flash for Konquerer?
[02:04] <Jahmon> cant you adept it
[02:04] <Jahmon> and just search flash
[02:04] <Jahmon> and go install
[02:04] <TheRealInsane> I did
[02:04] <nicolai_> TheRealInsane: install flashplugin-nonfree
[02:04] <TheRealInsane> I installed flashplugin-nonfree
[02:04] <TheRealInsane> But:
[02:04] <nicolai_> TheRealInsane: and it works in firefox?
[02:04] <Scorpaen> good morning folks
[02:04] <Scorpaen> i'm having a problem with oidentd on gutys
[02:04] <Scorpaen> *gutsy
[02:04] <pawitp> the plugin is the the recommended list
[02:05] <TheRealInsane> It says in it's description "Konqueror can also use the Flash plugin if konquerer-nsplugins is installed"
[02:05] <runlevelten> TheRealInsane: you need to quit browsers, start your mozilla browser (be that seamonkey/ff/whatever) then start konqy again if it isn't working
[02:05] <TheRealInsane> I don't have mozilla, at least not for linux, so I can't run it
[02:05] <Scorpaen> it only listens on ipv6 not ipv4
[02:05] <nicolai_> TheRealInsane: yep, open konqueror, settings, plugins
[02:05] <Scorpaen> tcp6       0      0 *:auth                  *:*                     LISTEN
[02:05] <runlevelten> no firefox, no seamonkey?
[02:06] <TheRealInsane> Let's see
[02:06] <Jahmon> ok skype is scaring me - all my contacts are gone
[02:07] <Jahmon> why is skype only showing test call under my contacts
[02:07] <Jahmon> it says ungrouped contacts
[02:07] <Jahmon> 1/1
[02:07] <Jahmon> i got like 10 contacts missing
[02:08] <pawitp> re-login?
[02:08] <Jahmon> only1 contact
[02:09] <Jahmon> wird all my skype contacts gone
[02:09] <Jahmon> going to see if windows like that too
[02:09] <Jahmon> thanks for help all
[02:10] <TheRealInsane> Ok, I configured Konquerer and made sure it scanned for netscape plugins
[02:10] <TheRealInsane> But when trying to watch youtube videos, it gives me "Hello, you either have JavaScript turned off or an old version of Adobe's Flash Player. Get the latest Flash player."
[02:10] <TheRealInsane> Javascript is definately globally active
[02:11] <TheRealInsane> Otherwise, is there a way to do a 100% export from windows firefox into linux firefox?
[02:12] <nicolai_> TheRealInsane: you can export your bookmarks easily
[02:12] <TheRealInsane> Whoops, IRC crashed on me
[02:18] <Darkrift> help! my computer rebooted and now im at 640x480 and cant change it!!!
[02:19] <nicolai_> Darkrift: I've tried that. Go to system settings -> monitor & display -> hardware
[02:20] <runlevelten> TheRealInsane: you can import the bookmarks.html from your old firefox install.
[02:20] <nicolai_> Darkrift: If it says "monitor #1: generic" you need to specify your screen.
[02:20] <Darkrift> didnt help :(
[02:21] <Darkrift> i selected generic flat panel 1280x800 (my screen size) and it wont do that one now
[02:21] <nicolai_> Darkrift: damn, you're fast :P
[02:22] <nicolai_> Darkrift: who made your screen, what brand is it?
[02:22] <Darkrift> its a laptop
[02:22] <nicolai_> ahh
[02:22] <Darkrift> compaq presario v6120us
[02:22] <Darkrift> widescreen
[02:22] <Darkrift> it was working!!!
[02:23] <jonathan_> somebody help me with kubuntu startup
[02:23] <bastid_raZor> jonathan_, heh, i guess you're too lazy to view the wiki?
[02:23] <jonathan_> what wiki?
[02:23] <jonathan_> newbie in here dude
[02:23] <nicolai_> !wiki
[02:24] <ubotu> http://wiki.ubuntu.com - Ubuntu development documentation wiki. If you are looking for system help, please refer to https://help.ubuntu.com/community - the Ubuntu community documentation.
[02:24] <fhd> I have a KDE problem: I want a second control bar only as a taskbar. this works just fine, but I cannot configure that bars size - any hints?
[02:29] <bilal> can someone help me kubuntu is not detecting my mic
[02:29] <bilal> earlier it worked but after reinstalling kubuntu its not working
[02:32] <genii> heh
[02:32] <nicolai_> bilal: click the sound icon -> mixer -> input -> mic
[02:35] <bilal> still cant record
[02:36] <bilal> this problem occurd after I reinstalled kubuntu
[02:38] <vlt> Hello. When I click on an email saved to folder it opens with kmail. But when the file name matches *.eml I get an error: "Invalid Address mhtml:/...". How can I avoid this?
[02:38] <TheRealInsane> Can anybody here tell me how to use emerald theme manager?
[02:41] <marckie> TheRealInsane: Well you use that together with Beryl (which I use) to choose the theme you wanna use
[02:42] <TheRealInsane> marckie, But how does it work? I can't seem to choose the theme
[02:43] <TheRealInsane> I tried typing in "emerald" in the Konsole, but it just gives me an empty prompt
[02:45] <TheRealInsane> I have Beryl running right now, and Emerald theme manager
[02:45] <TheRealInsane> I selected the theme I want
[02:45] <TheRealInsane> Now what do I do to actually use it?
[02:46] <TheRealInsane> Please!?? I've been trying to activate it for hours
[02:46] <TheRealInsane> Trying all the emerald command line things I could think of
[02:55] <praecox> is there any way I can move kwallet and stored passwords to new computer?
[02:55] <elite101> i love kubuntu i swear when i want something to work it does? now adept is working? i love this cpmputer so so much :)
[02:55] <praecox> in other words, how am I suppose to backup kwallet passwords?
[02:55] <elite101> my adept works so i dont have to re-install now :)
[02:58] <bilal> can some tell me how to reconfigure my sound card
[02:58] <igor>    ?
[02:58] <igor> is there everyone under Kubuntu?
[02:58] <igor> Windows rules
[02:59] <igor> Windows rules
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[02:59] <igor> Windows rulesWindows rulesWindows rulesWindows rulesWindows rulesWindows rulesWindows rulesWindows rulesWindows rulesWindows rulesWindows rulesWindows rules
[02:59] <igor> yes
[02:59] <bilal> windows rule what? your brain
[03:00] <boris_> Windowsux
[03:01] <boris_> in windows u just have to open the window and bugs get in
[03:02] <Roey> hey all
[03:03] <Roey> crimsun:  hi!
[03:03] <boris_> hello
[03:03] <Roey> hello boris_
[03:08] <Roey> can anyone help me with a sound issue?  I've disabled the onboard via82cxxx sound chip through the BIOS, yet ALSA is somehow still configured to try and use that as the default... (I have a chaintec av710 that I want sound to play on)
[03:09] <PhinnFort> microsoft is evul!
[03:09] <PhinnFort> each time I try to connect to msn with kopete, it crashes
[03:11] <elite101> lol windows rules? it takes like half an hour to load windows. not because my computer is slow is because u need to run spybot/AVG/ad-ware/sygate firewall/
[03:11] <Roey> whatever.  At least it sets up sound properly.
[03:11] <PhinnFort> Roey: does not
[03:12] <PhinnFort> Roey: I had to help a friend of mine set up sound in windows, it was a true pain to hunt down the right drivers and getting it to play nice
[03:12] <Roey> PhinnFort:  yeah but in your case it was just a matter of drivers.  Here you have to learn the Zen of Linux Kernel Sound.
[03:13] <PhinnFort> Roey: point case is, "windows" and "linux" doesn't do sound, it's the drivers fault
[03:13] <PhinnFort> Roey: and here, I just installed Kubuntu, and sound came magically
[03:13] <Roey> PhinnFort:  ahaha :)
[03:13] <PhinnFort> aka. better than windows (tm)
[03:13] <PhinnFort> ;)
[03:13] <Roey> PhinnFort:  seriously though, my situation sucks
[03:13] <Roey> :P
[03:13] <PhinnFort> Roey: well, maybe I can help you;)
[03:13] <PhinnFort> Roey: what kind of soundcard do you have/what is the problem?
[03:14] <Roey> PhinnFort:  well I have an on-board via82cxxx chip that I've disabled in the BIOS after I couldn't find any other way of setting ALSA to treat my Chaintec AV-710 soundcard as the default (card 0)
[03:15] <PhinnFort> Roey: why do you need it do be 0?
[03:15] <PhinnFort> I thought all self-respecting alsa-supporting linux programs had it configurable
[03:15] <Roey> PhinnFort:  because xine and everything above alsa (like kde and mpg123-alsa) are set to card 0 and I don't want to have to make all these individual changes.
[03:16] <PhinnFort> looked at http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-doc/doc-php/asoundrc.php?
[03:17] <Roey> PhinnFort:  well I have my asound.conf for the chaintec just fine
[03:17] <elite101_> whats the line for java?
[03:17] <PhinnFort> have you tried setting it as default soundcard?
[03:17] <Roey> PhinnFort:  how?
[03:17] <Roey> with alsaconf?
[03:17] <PhinnFort> !java > elite101_
[03:17] <Roey> there's no alsaconf in ubuntu :P
[03:18] <elite101_> yeah that was no help i SAYED THE COMMAND LINE
[03:18] <elite101_> xD
[03:18] <PhinnFort> !find alsaconf
[03:18] <ubotu> Package/file alsaconf does not exist in feisty
[03:19] <elite101_> hello? does any one know the commmand line for java
[03:19] <PhinnFort> elite101_: "java"?
[03:19] <elite101_> yeah
[03:19] <elite101_> what is the command line for it apt get-install...?
[03:19] <PhinnFort> Roey: better explanation here: http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?title=FAQ026
[03:19] <PhinnFort> elite101_: apt-get install jre?
[03:19] <elite101_> yeah
[03:20] <elite101_> but correct spelling
[03:20] <Roey> PhinnFort:  ok, I'm looking at that
[03:20] <PhinnFort> sun-java6-jre
[03:20] <elite101_> jeEz
[03:20] <PhinnFort> or sun-java5-jre for 1.5
[03:20] <PhinnFort> "sudo aptitude install sun-java6-jre"
[03:20] <PhinnFort> capisce?
[03:20] <elite101_> omg i need the whole line
[03:21] <elite101_> correct spelling
[03:21] <PhinnFort> that was the "correct spelling"
[03:21] <PhinnFort> and the whole frigging line
[03:21] <elite101_> w.e
[03:21] <PhinnFort> "sudo aptitude install sun-java6-jre"
[03:21] <PhinnFort> even with sudo
[03:23] <Roey> PhinnFort:  aaaaah, I see now that my .asoundrc.asoundconf contains the line "defaults.ctl.card V8237"
[03:23] <PhinnFort> ;)
[03:23] <nicolai_> PhinnFort: he didn't seem to be very grateful :/
[03:23] <Roey> PhinnFort:  you think I could just move the file out of the way and it'd be regenerated?
[03:23] <Roey> *correctly
[03:23] <Roey> ?
[03:23] <PhinnFort> Roey: I don't think it's needed at all
[03:23] <PhinnFort> according to the official alsa docs
[03:23] <PhinnFort> Roey: just try moving it, and re-login or reboot
[03:24] <PhinnFort> nicolai_: well, that's life;)
[03:25] <Roey> PhinnFort:  ah okay, thanks :")
[03:25] <PhinnFort> np;)
[03:25] <PhinnFort> elite101_: did it work?
[03:25] <Roey> PhinnFort:  I moved it out of the way, launched alsamixer and it shows me my chaintec.... ahhhh, perrrrrrrfect :) thanks :) :)
[03:25] <elite101_> no i have like 30adept running
[03:25] <elite101_> it works the line
[03:26] <PhinnFort> Roey: nice;)
[03:26] <elite101_> but it have live 4adpets running and i cant kill them
[03:26] <elite101_> adepts*
[03:26] <nicolai_> elite101_: you can only have one adept running at a time
[03:26] <elite101_> lol i know
[03:26] <PhinnFort> heh
[03:26] <elite101_> but for some reason when i boot up it shows 5 now
[03:26] <nicolai_> elite101_: open ksysguard
[03:27] <elite101_> im in there rite now
[03:27] <elite101_> i can kill them
[03:27] <PhinnFort> hit alt+f2, and type "killall adept_manager -s KILL"
[03:27] <Roey> PhinnFort:  now another issue... the mx1000 mouse.  I tried the ubuntu wiki page on the mx1000, and it worked when I used to start x manually with startx.. but now with KDM, I'm back to Square One:  the buttons I've defined in my .xbindkeys don't work, and neither does the scrollwheel!  Is KDM using another xorg.conf or something???
[03:28] <PhinnFort> Roey: do you have a link to the wiki page?
[03:28] <nicolai_> elite101_: every adept in ksysguard has a PID. If you type sudo kill [PID]  then the program should die.
[03:28] <PhinnFort> Roey: KDM should use the same xorg.conf as any other login manager and startx
[03:28] <PhinnFort> or just use killall
[03:28] <elite101_> okay
[03:28] <PhinnFort> :D
[03:28] <elite101_> yeha
[03:28] <elite101_> omg there still there o.0
[03:28] <PhinnFort> can' be
[03:28] <PhinnFort> *t
[03:28] <elite101_> yes they are xD
[03:29] <PhinnFort> -s KILL makes the kernel steal away all their stuff
[03:29] <PhinnFort> there's even a song about it
[03:29] <elite101_> omg this is very annyoing im just going to pull the plug on my computer i love to make my HDD choke
[03:29] <nicolai_> PhinnFort: doesn't it have to be in sudo?
[03:29] <PhinnFort> reboot
[03:29] <elite101_> k gonna choke the harddrive now
[03:29] <elite101_> lol yeah
[03:29] <PhinnFort> nicolai_: nope
[03:29] <PhinnFort> http://www.monzy.com/intro/killdashnine_lyrics.html
[03:29] <elite101_> i will shut down so this way things wont be running in the background as when i rebooted
[03:30] <Roey> PhinnFort:  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MX1000Mouse  <-- note it doesn't talk about kdm or gdm
[03:30] <PhinnFort> -9 = -KILL
[03:30] <elite101_> night of the living adepts*
[03:30] <PhinnFort> *-s KILL
[03:30] <PhinnFort> we should make a movie about it
[03:30] <elite101_> lol
[03:30] <elite101_> i swear that line didnt work?
[03:31] <_Shade_> how can i check which version of nvidia drivers i am using?
[03:31] <PhinnFort> elite101_: which adept is it?
[03:31] <PhinnFort> is it the manager?
[03:31] <elite101_> yeah
[03:31] <elite101_> like 6  of them running
[03:31] <elite101_> omg i tried it again there still there
[03:31] <PhinnFort> elite101_: try hitting ctrl-alt-escape and clicking on one of them
[03:32] <elite101_> no there not accutally open just running in the background
[03:32] <PhinnFort> elite101_: try running "ps aux | grep adept" in a konsole
[03:32] <elite101_> k
[03:33] <PhinnFort> Roey: I can't find any mention of startx in that guide?
[03:33] <elite101_> now what
[03:33] <PhinnFort> elite101_: did it return anything?
[03:33] <stdin> pastebin is your friend
[03:33] <elite101_> yeah
[03:33] <PhinnFort> !pastebin
[03:33] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[03:34] <elite101_> yes stuff came up
[03:34] <PhinnFort> elite101_: run "ps aux | grep adept | wc -l" then
[03:35] <elite101_> it shows 9
[03:35] <elite101_> just the number
[03:35] <Tomi-idle> _Shade_: _Shade_install nvidia_settings (if you mean the version of the binary driver)
[03:35] <PhinnFort> yeah... you have them running
[03:35] <elite101_> so?
[03:35] <elite101_> how do i KILL them all
[03:35] <Roey> PhinnFort:  not startx, kdm.  I don't know why with KDM it's not honoring my .xbindkeys
[03:35] <Tomi-idle> or if you're not sure if you have free or binary driver. use "cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf | grep nv"
[03:36] <Roey> PhinnFort:  and why it's not honoring the mx1000 mouse setup I've specified in /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[03:36] <Tomi-idle> if it says driver "nv" it's free one. if it's driver "nvidia" then it's proprietery
[03:36] <PhinnFort> elite101_: when you ran the first command, there should be some numbers after your username
[03:36] <elite101_> yeah
[03:36] <PhinnFort> "martin   10700  0.0  0.2  14956  1060 pts/2    R+   15:35   0:00 ps aux"
[03:36] <Tomi-idle> *nvidia-settings even
[03:36] <elite101_> no
[03:36] <elite101_> not like that
[03:36] <PhinnFort> elite101_: now do "kill -9 10700"
[03:37] <PhinnFort> only change number for the right one
[03:37] <elite101_> i dont have a number
[03:37] <PhinnFort> Roey: is xbindkeys running?
[03:37] <elite101_> what NUMBER I SEE LOTS?
[03:37] <Roey> PhinnFort:  ah, not sure
[03:37] <Roey> PhinnFort:  what, it's a daemon or something?
[03:37] <PhinnFort> "Add xbindkeys to your startup programs in the System -> Preferences -> Sessions -> Startup Programs"
[03:37] <PhinnFort> from the guide
[03:37] <Roey> ahhh one sec.
[03:38] <Roey> that same page??
[03:38] <PhinnFort> yup
[03:38] <stdin> PhinnFort: that's for gnome
[03:38] <elite101_> i dont have a number
[03:38] <elite101_> so i cant do this?
[03:38] <PhinnFort> stdin: well, it has to be running
[03:38] <PhinnFort> elite101_: can you pase the output of the first command?
[03:38] <elite101_>  ps aux | grep adep
[03:38] <elite101_> ?
[03:39] <skyline_> hello
[03:39] <elite101_> ps aux | grep adept | wc -l
[03:39] <stdin> elite101_: the 1st one
[03:39] <Roey> PhinnFort:  ahh.  I use KDE here; what should I do?
[03:39] <elite101_> what?
[03:39] <skyline> skyline
[03:39] <elite101_> i gave u the first one
[03:39] <Roey> "Add xbindkeys to your startup programs in the System -> Preferences -> Sessions -> Startup Programs"  <-- I use KDE not GNOME
[03:39] <elite101_> ps aux | grep adep ps aux | grep adep ps aux | grep adep ps aux | grep adep
[03:39] <stdin> elite101_: no, the output of it
[03:39] <elite101_> oh
[03:39] <Roey> PhinnFort:  "Add xbindkeys to your startup programs in the System -> Preferences -> Sessions -> Startup Programs"  <-- I use KDE not GNOME
[03:39] <PhinnFort> Roey: go to ".kde/Autostart" folder
[03:39] <Roey> that's what I meant
[03:39] <Roey> ahhhhhhh
[03:39] <elite101_> root      5696  2.5 16.0  80476 41020 ?        S    08:53   1:00 adept
[03:39] <elite101_> root      5880  0.0  4.4  24972 11500 ?        Ss   09:18   0:00 kdesu adept
[03:39] <PhinnFort> Roey: right-click, new link to program
[03:40] <elite101_> root      5881  0.0  3.9  25804  9996 ?        S    09:18   0:00 adept
[03:40] <stdin> Roey: put a link in that folder
[03:40] <Roey> PhinnFort:  ok, then what, make a small shellsript?
[03:40] <PhinnFort> !pastebin > elite101_
[03:40] <elite101_> root      5882  0.0  0.0      0     0 ?        Z    09:18   0:00 [adept]  <defunc                                                              t>
[03:40] <elite101_> elite101  6075  0.3  5.2  26316 13576 ?        S    09:23   0:02 kdesu -u root -                                                              c kdesu adept
[03:40] <elite101_> root      6086  0.1  4.4  24976 11504 ?        Ss   09:23   0:00 kdesu adept
[03:40] <elite101_> root      6087  0.0  3.8  25800  9992 ?        S    09:23   0:00 adept
[03:40] <elite101_> root      6088  0.0  0.0      0     0 ?        Z    09:23   0:00 [adept]  <defunc                                                              t>
[03:40] <Roey> stdin:  oh, ok
[03:40] <elite101_> elite101  6236  0.0  0.3   2880   816 pts/6    S+   09:33   0:00 grep adep
[03:40] <elite101_> whats that?
[03:40] <stdin> !paste | elite101_
[03:40] <ubotu> elite101_: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[03:40] <elite101_> yeah sorry
[03:40] <elite101_> but i have no number by my user
[03:41] <josef> hai everybody i got a problem can somebody help me out
[03:42] <stdin> elite101_: try  "sudo kill -9 5696 5880 5881 5882 6075 6086 6087 6088"
[03:42] <Roey> PhinnFort:  I'm connected to my home system through ssh; is it the same thing if I make a symlink to /.../bin/xbindkeys ?
[03:42] <PhinnFort> Roey: probably
[03:42] <PhinnFort> Roey: afaik, kdeinit just tries to run anything it finds in that folder
[03:42] <stdin> !ask | josef
[03:42] <ubotu> josef: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[03:42] <josef> ok
[03:43] <josef> i installed kubuntu in my laptop but the soundcard is not working it seems like disabled
[03:44] <Roey> PhinnFort:  aaaah
[03:44] <_Shade_> Tomi-idle:  how the hell i've managed to install the 1.0-9631 drivers on my gf2 card???
[03:44] <Roey> PhinnFort:  then why is it that when I do start...oh... becuase before I got KDM running, I had xbindkeys as a statement in my .xinitrc... but now with KDM set up, it bypasses my .xinitrc completely
[03:44] <elite101_> stdin. thanks that worked !!
[03:44] <PhinnFort> Roey: :)
[03:45] <stdin> josef: take a look at the sound help wiki
[03:45] <stdin> !sound | josef
[03:45] <ubotu> josef: If you're having problems with sound, first ensure ARTS is running, by going to K Menu -> System Settings -> Sound System and making sure "Enable the sound system" is checked. If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP3
[03:45] <elite101_> You will not be able to change your system settings in any way (install, remove or upgrade software), because another process is using the packaging system database (probably some other Adept application or apt-get or aptitude). Please close the other application before using this one.
[03:45] <elite101_> thats what adpet says?
[03:45] <stdin> !aptfix | elite101_
[03:45] <ubotu> elite101_: If Adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole:  sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a 
[03:45] <josef> ok  thanks stdin and ubotu for the info... i will check it out
[03:46] <genii> elite101_: Only do the fix if your update manager is not causing the message
[03:46] <elite101_> oh what?!!?
[03:46] <genii> elite101_: If your update manager is running just let it finish first
[03:46] <elite101_> k nvm
[03:47] <Tomi-idle> _Shade_: i think the legacy card drivers were in the same package in the older versions
[03:54] <elite101> k i need that line for java the whole thing correct spelling i got adept to work again
[03:55] <elite101> but i cant select OKAY for the licsense agreement using adept
[03:55] <elite101> so i have to use konsole
[03:55] <pag> elite101, exactly.
[03:55] <elite101> what?
[03:56] <pag> elite101, you need to use konsole (or synaptic)
[03:56] <elite101> yeah i know
[03:56] <elite101> but what is the line for it?
[03:56] <nicolai_> elite101: sudo aptitude install sun-java6-jre
[03:56] <elite101> thanks
[03:57] <BluesKaj> howdy all :)
[03:57] <nicolai_> pag: I've installed Java with Adept
[03:57] <nicolai_> pag: It isn't impossible
[03:57] <pag> nicolai_, wow.. you're lucky :)
[03:57] <elite101> omg adept is stuck again
[03:57] <elite101> this is getting really anyoing
[03:57] <elite101> it wont kill itself
[03:58] <BluesKaj> updating wirh adept notifier ?
[03:58] <nicolai_> elite101: at least now you know what to do :)
[03:58] <elite101> yeah lol
[03:58] <elite101> whats the line to kill only 1adept this time?
[03:58] <elite101> lmao
[03:59] <nicolai_> pag: I remember it was a pain back in Dapper, but Feisty wasn't that bad
[03:59] <BluesKaj> don't , wait til you need a package
[03:59] <elite101> im using dapper xD 6.06.1
[03:59] <BluesKaj> don't use it I mean
[03:59] <nicolai_> elite101: ahh
[04:00] <elite101> i need to kill that stupid adept
[04:00] <elite101> so i can get rid of limewire
[04:00] <nicolai_> elite101: Adept in dapper can be annoying :P
[04:00] <elite101> its causing alot of problems and i think i broke java
[04:00] <pag> nicolai_, heh. I experienced that pain once (in dapper maybe - not sure about that) and almost haven't touched Adept ever since :D
[04:00] <BluesKaj> give it time , 15mins will time it out
[04:00] <elite101> no it wont
[04:00] <elite101> i rebooted the computer and it was still runing
[04:00] <elite101> 9adepts
[04:00] <elite101> 9****
[04:01] <elite101> i need the command line to kill adept (once and for all >:)
[04:01] <elite101> it says vmsize 91,000
[04:02] <nicolai_> elite101: sudo kill -9       and then all the [PID]  numbers
[04:02] <elite101> it says its "sleeping"
[04:02] <elite101> did u put 9* is that for real?
[04:03] <nicolai_> elite101: that was the command you used the last time
[04:04] <nicolai_> elite101: The PID numbers just have to be replaced with the new ones
[04:04] <elite101> because i dont have 9prosses running this time only 1
[04:04] <elite101> because i dont have 9prosses running this time only 1
[04:05] <nicolai_> elite101: the "-9" isn't the number of processes. Last time you only killed eight Adepts :P
[04:06] <elite101> that line doesnt do anything its pointless
[04:06] <elite101> nvm
[04:06] <elite101> yeah it does :(
[04:06] <elite101> :)
[04:06] <Tomi-idle> killall -9 is like the superman of killall
[04:06] <nicolai_> elite101: You forgot the PID? :)
[04:06] <elite101> now how do i remove limeiwre
[04:06] <elite101> nort
[04:07] <elite101> no*
[04:07] <elite101> i put sudo kill -1
[04:07] <elite101> lol
[04:07] <elite101> its still asying a read only mode
[04:07] <elite101> saying*
[04:07] <elite101> for adept
[04:07] <nicolai_> elite101: sudo rm /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a
[04:08] <elite101> holy crap i mean all this for stupid adept
[04:08] <Tomi-idle> sudo apt-get --purge remove adept  ?
[04:08] <Tomi-idle> then install again
[04:08] <elite101> okay
[04:09] <Tomi-idle> or you could just restart the computer if there's a dpkg instance somewhere running
[04:09] <Tomi-idle> or stuck
[04:09] <elite101> that okay to do that
[04:09] <elite101> java is borken
[04:09] <Tomi-idle> adept is just the graphical package manager
[04:09] <elite101> dpkg: error processing limewire-basic (--configure):
[04:09] <Tomi-idle> adept uses apt-get i think
[04:09] <nicolai_> elite101: why do you want to install limewire?
[04:10] <elite101> uhh limewire is in the way so i cant upgrade java in terminal and i cant upgrade java in adept because i cant selec<ok>
[04:10] <elite101> i dont
[04:10] <elite101> i wanna destroy it
[04:10] <elite101> get rid of it for good
[04:10] <elite101> and remove office.org and all that crap i dont need
[04:11] <pag> elite101, so the question is: why don't you? :)
[04:11] <elite101> i cant
[04:11] <Tomi-idle> use the force <.<
[04:11] <elite101> itwont let me
[04:11] <elite101> im about to *force* this computer out my windo
[04:11] <elite101> window*
[04:11] <nicolai_> elite101: according to runlevelten limewire installed a lot of rootkits on your computer. If that is true you would need a reinstall.
[04:11] <elite101> reinstall...
[04:12] <elite101> what?
[04:12] <elite101> limewire?
[04:12] <elite101> no!!!
[04:12] <Tomi-idle> or use proggies to remove rootkis
[04:12] <elite101> i cant get rid of it
[04:12] <nicolai_> elite101: reinstall Kubuntu
[04:12] <BluesKaj> elite101, did youcheck on details in adept while trying to install java ? it will stall the installation if you don't agree (yes) to the java licence in the textbox.
[04:12] <Tomi-idle> limewire stinks :D
[04:12] <elite101> i cant thou
[04:12] <elite101> yes i know
[04:12] <elite101> it can screw your computer up
[04:13] <nicolai_> elite101: don't you have an installation CD?
[04:13] <elite101> Bluekaj, i cant select OKAY!!!!!!!! in adept becuase it wont let me. i can upgrade java in terminal because of limewire issues
[04:13] <elite101> yes
[04:13] <elite101> but no re-install
[04:13] <elite101> im not re-installing i reinstall this more than windows
[04:13] <BluesKaj> ca you see the details ?
[04:13] <pag> elite101, why it won't let you to do it in terminal?
[04:14] <elite101> beacuse of limeiwre
[04:14] <nicolai_> BluesKaj: It's a dapper install. clicking the okay can be impossible on some computers
[04:14] <elite101> its cupport
[04:14] <pag> elite101, what is the error message...
[04:14] <BluesKaj> not okay ... it will ask Y or N
[04:14] <elite101> it trys to install limewire when i go to install java / java is broken and trys to upgrade from the last time i installed it but it broke
[04:14] <elite101> err
[04:14] <elite101> i need the java line
[04:14] <elite101> for the 20th time
[04:15] <elite101> u think by now i would memorize it
[04:15] <pag> sudo apt-get install sun-java6-jre
[04:15] <nicolai_> elite101: you could have copied it to knotes
[04:15] <marckie> so u can install limewire in kubuntu?
[04:15] <elite101> no
[04:15] <elite101> omg
[04:16] <nicolai_> elite101: sudo aptitude install sun-java6-jre
[04:16] <elite101> can i explain the whole storry beacuse ur givin me false info because i gave u falseinfo
[04:16] <BluesKaj> it's called frostwire in linux AFAIK'
[04:16] <elite101> can i explain the whole storry beacuse ur givin me false info because i gave u falseinfo
[04:17] <elite101> i download limewire and rite click and installed it from a deb package. it seemed to work and then it need java6 so i tried to run java 6 but something broke in limewire install so i cant use java in konsole becuase it trys to fix it and i cant upgrade java in adpet because it wot let me get passed 7% and it wont let me select okay XD
[04:18] <pag> elite101, sudo dpkg -r limewire
[04:18] <elite101> it says thisnow once i try to install java6 E: I wasn't able to locate a file for the sun-java6-bin package. This might mean you need to manually fix this package. (due to missing arch)
[04:18] <stdin> elite101: that's because you need to accept the Java licence. you need to install jave from konsole
[04:18] <stdin> elite101: you need multiverse
[04:18] <elite101> yeah but it wont work!!!!!!!!!
[04:18] <stdin> !repo
[04:18] <ubotu> The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[04:19] <elite101> i did that already im ot a nob
[04:19] <elite101> not*
[04:19] <elite101> dpkg - warning: ignoring request to remove limewire which isn't installed.
[04:19] <elite101> lol thats funny why can i run it?
[04:19] <elite101> stu[id kubunt
[04:19] <stdin> elite101: are you on 64bit?
[04:19] <elite101> omg now i cant type
[04:19] <elite101> no 32
[04:20] <stdin> hmm
[04:20] <elite101> i386/ x86/32bit
[04:20] <ksivaji> stdin hi
[04:20] <stdin> hey ksivaji :)
[04:20] <Tomi-idle> x68_64 ftw
[04:20] <Tomi-idle> 68? lol
[04:20] <elite101> lol its funny how it says limewire isnt installed when it is
[04:20] <ksivaji> is there anyone using quanta here
[04:21] <Tomi-idle> i tried quanta but fell back to nvu (kompozer)
[04:21] <Tomi-idle> for simple pages
[04:21] <pag> elite101, are you sure that package name is right?
[04:21] <marckie> yeah... me too... im confused.
[04:22] <elite101> i need to remove limwire
[04:22] <persen> hi, my PC died so i need to replace motherboard/cpu (which i already have), but how does kubuntu linux cope with so much hardware change? does it try to resolve things automagically on startup?
[04:23] <elite101> yeah
[04:23] <elite101> :)
[04:23] <anna> hello everyone.i have a problem while trying to upgrade from kubuntu 6.06 to 6.10.the error message is as follows : Failed to fetch http://gr.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/k/kubuntu-default-settings/kubuntu-default-settings_6.10-61_all.deb MD5Sum mismatch
[04:23] <elite101> it loads drivers and everything
[04:23] <anna> can anyone help me?
[04:23] <elite101> so anyways
[04:23] <persen> elite101, are you sure?
[04:23] <elite101> i need to remove limeiwre
[04:23] <elite101> limewire
[04:23] <elite101> in order for this mess to be solved
[04:24] <marckie> hi anna
[04:24] <anna> hi marckie
[04:24] <marckie> might be a server problem
[04:24] <elite101> the only was to install java is in adept but i cant hit okaY??
[04:24] <marckie> try it one more time
[04:24] <elite101> fu*k konsole it wont help
[04:24] <elite101> tried a million times
[04:24] <elite101> nope stupid limewire
[04:24] <persen> elite101, is it a SUNs EULA youre seeing?
[04:24] <elite101> i new it was a bad idea
[04:25] <anna> i ve already tried  it more than ones
[04:25] <Roey> HomeRoey:  mark.
[04:25] <elite101> SUNS
[04:25] <elite101> JAVA SUN JRE 6
[04:25] <persen> remember i had to scroll ridiculous long to install it
[04:25] <BluesKaj> elite101, stop being a drama queen and have alittle patience , there are others seeking help here too
[04:25] <elite101> i know
[04:25] <elite101> but its pissing me off why it isnt working
[04:25] <persen> elite101, Did you answer my question?
[04:25] <fossbud> http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu:Feisty#Java_.26_Non-Media_Browser_Plug-ins
[04:25] <elite101> why make it so u can download packets from java but yet no install it?
[04:25] <anna> marckie is it a problem with my repositories??
[04:26] <elite101> persen, i sayed SUN!!!!!!!!
[04:26] <persen> think you not
[04:26] <elite101> what?
[04:26] <elite101> i sayed it up there
[04:26] <elite101> in caps
[04:26] <persen> elite101, and come down a bit.
[04:26] <elite101> but its making me soo mad
[04:26] <elite101> i might have to do a re-install
[04:27] <elite101> okay im updating java in adept now. so what happens if i cant click on <ok> ?
[04:27] <BluesKaj> elite101, try this :sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a
[04:27] <nicolai_> elite101: hit the tab key
[04:28] <elite101> ,k
[04:28] <nicolai_> elite101: i think that was what I did back then
[04:28] <elite101> it says this dpkg: serious warning: files list file for package `sun-java6-bin' missing, assuming package has no files currently installed.
[04:28] <elite101> :S
[04:28] <elite101> nope tab doesnt work
[04:28] <elite101> nothing works
[04:29] <elite101> stupid adept why would someone make it so that u can download the packets but not install them?
[04:29] <BluesKaj> elite101, click on details
[04:29] <rbrunhuber> how can I change the hostname in (k)ubuntu
[04:29] <anna> hello everyone.i have a problem while trying to upgrade from kubuntu 6.06 to 6.10.the error message is as follows : Failed to fetch http://gr.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/k/kubuntu-default-settings/kubuntu-default-settings_6.10-61_all.deb MD5Sum mismatch
[04:30] <elite101> sorry i dont see detail?
[04:30] <nicolai_> elite101: it's a bug fixed in later versions
[04:30] <elite101> details where
[04:30] <elite101> why is java have to be a pain in the neck?
[04:30] <nicolai_> elite101: When Adept is configuring there is button called details
[04:31] <elite101> i hite that aleardy
[04:31] <elite101> already
[04:31] <pag> rbrunhuber, kcontol -> Internet & Network -> Network Settings -> Domain Name System -tab
[04:31] <elite101> obv why wouldnt i be saying i cant hit okay?
[04:31] <rbrunhuber> pag: Need it on the console. this is server.
[04:32] <pag> rbrunhuber, oh...
[04:32] <nicolai_> elite101: click on ok, then tab then ok then enter
[04:32] <nicolai_> elite101: sometimes a GUi requires clickfest
[04:32] <stdin> anna: try changing to a different mirror for the upgrade, seems the mirror you're using has a bad file
[04:33] <anna> stdin: how can i do that?
[04:33] <elite101> nope
[04:33] <PhinnFort> does anyone else experience crashes when trying to connect to msn with kopete?
[04:33] <pag> rbrunhuber, man hostname
[04:33] <genii> rbrunhuber: edit /etc/hostname
[04:33] <genii> heh
[04:34] <nicolai_> PhinnFort: not in Feisty
[04:34] <elite101> is 7.04 the same as 6.06?
[04:34] <PhinnFort> ok
[04:34] <elite101> so even the adept
[04:34] <nicolai_> elite101: nope
[04:34] <stdin> anna: open adept, go to "File -> Manage Repositories" and in the "Download From" list change it to "Main Server"
[04:34] <elite101> what?
[04:34] <elite101> is the adept the same like adding multiuniverse and universe res.?
[04:34] <nicolai_> elite101: 7.04 was released april 2007
[04:35] <Daisuke_Ido> no, 7.04 has a newer version of adept
[04:35] <elite101> is the adept the same thou
[04:35] <nicolai_> elite101: 6.06 was released june 2006
[04:35] <elite101> like adding the same things can i take knowledge from 6.06 and apply it to 7.04?
[04:35] <elite101> no really?
[04:35] <Daisuke_Ido> elite101: i just told you
[04:35] <elite101> why do u think it says 6.0.6
[04:35] <Daisuke_Ido> there are differences
[04:36] <elite101> k bye going to pull the plug and make my hdd choke like a bit*h
[04:36] <elite101> bye bye
[04:36] <Daisuke_Ido> it's a newer version, things aren't handled the exact same way
[04:36] <baha> hi
[04:36] <nicolai_> elite101: A lot of things are easier in 7.04, so while knowledge can still be applied, it often wont be necessary
[04:36] <Dr_CRX> how r u all ???
[04:36] <Dr_CRX> hi
[04:36] <Dr_CRX> i am back
[04:37] <BluesKaj> glad yet not DR_QCK :)
[04:40] <anna> stdin: i dont see a download from list here
[04:40] <mrksbrd> anyone know why i can't view web video with xine? it will show a milisecond of video then go black, and say xine is not running
[04:41] <BluesKaj> mrksbrd, which browser
[04:41] <mrksbrd> konqueror
[04:42] <stdin> anna: ok, close adept and open konsole and run this command in konsole: " sudo sed -i 's/gr\.archive/archive/g' /etc/apt/sources.list " copy and paste between the quotes
[04:42] <BluesKaj> konq is ok , but try FF it's abit easier to configure
[04:42] <mrksbrd> ok...let me launch that
[04:42] <Daisuke_Ido> i shall return shortly
[04:42] <PhinnFort> ff is teh suki suki
[04:43] <harmental> hey guys...when i do this: sudo update-alternatives --config x-www-browser
[04:44] <harmental> a '+' appears on konqueror...and a '*' in firefox...
[04:44] <harmental> what does that mean....
[04:44] <harmental> ?
[04:44] <BluesKaj> harmental, choose the number beside the browser you want as default
[04:45] <anna> stdin: thanks a lot mate.it works for know!!!!
[04:45] <stdin> :)
[04:45] <BluesKaj> + means default
[04:45] <anna> now
[04:45] <mrksbrd> ff asking me for a plug in, when i click on it sts no sutable plugin found
[04:45] <stdin> * is the currently selected one
[04:45] <aaroncampbell> We seem to be getting very regular Firefox updates for feisty (just got 2.0.0.6), but not Thunderbird...we're still on the 1.5 series.  Is there any reason why?
[04:45] <BluesKaj> mrksbrd, have you installed flashplugin-nonfree?
[04:45] <harmental> BluesKaj: i've done that already....but konqueror is still the default....
[04:46] <mrksbrd> dunno...prolly not
[04:46] <mrksbrd> can i use the get command for that?
[04:46] <BluesKaj> harmental, from what app are you launching the browser?
[04:47] <harmental> BluesKaj: from kopete (when I receive new mail)
[04:47] <BluesKaj> mrksbrd, yes
[04:47] <stdin> aaroncampbell: don't know, but 2.0.0.5 will be in gutsy
[04:47] <BluesKaj> then you have to configure the default browser in kopete
[04:48] <mrksbrd> sudo get install ********...is this right ?
[04:48] <RurouniJones> I wonder what substances are ingested for each release naming meeting ;)
[04:48] <RurouniJones> mrksbrd: sudo apt-get install ***********
[04:48] <harmental> BluesKaj: ive tried that...but i cannot find the way...
[04:48] <mrksbrd> ty...knew i was missing something
[04:48] <aaroncampbell> stdin: which is due out in 2 months right?  I think we're 3 nearly 4 months behind on releases already
[04:49] <stdin> aaroncampbell: I don't know why thunderbird is so behind, you'd have to ask in #ubuntu-devel
[04:49] <BluesKaj> mrksbrd, sudo apt-get flashplugin-nonfree
[04:49] <BluesKaj> mrksbrd, sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree
[04:49] <PhinnFort> kontact ftw
[04:49] <PhinnFort> */kmail
[04:49] <nicolai_> BluesKaj: wouldn't that be sudo apt-get install?
[04:50] <nicolai_> nevermind
[04:50] <BluesKaj> yup, nicolai_
[04:50] <BluesKaj> harmental, sorry dunno much about kopete configuration
[04:51] <BluesKaj> thx genii :)
[04:51] <harmental> BluesKaj: thx anyway....
[04:51] <genii> BluesKaj :)
[04:53] <mrksbrd> E: dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem.
[04:53] <mrksbrd> what does that mean?
[04:53] <stdin> mrksbrd: exactly what it says, you need to run "sudo dpkg --configure -a"
[04:54] <nicolai_> mrksbrd: that you type the command in konsole
[04:55] <mrksbrd> what would cause that though
[04:55] <BluesKaj> mrksbrd, you prolly tried to install a package while adept or synaptic were open
[04:56] <nicolai_> mrksbrd: adept crashing
[04:56] <Nutubuntu> Hi, quick question - how do I change screen res in Kubuntu? Somewhere in Kmenu I'm sure there's something but I'm missing it when I look...
[04:56] <stdin> Nutubuntu:  in system settings
[04:57] <yellow_chicken> kubuntu use kde4 ?
[04:57] <Nutubuntu> stdin, makes sense but I don't see "system settings" - I have top level menus for "settings" and "system" and no screen res in either one ... :/
[04:57] <pag> yellow_chicken, not until 8.10 :(
[04:57] <BluesKaj> !kde4
[04:57] <ubotu> KDE 4 is the next major release of the K Desktop Environment. For more information see <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KDE_4>. The Release Schedule is available at <http://techbase.kde.org/Schedules/KDE4/4.0_Release_Schedule>. Alpha 2 packages can be found at <http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-alpha2.php>.
[04:58] <yellow_chicken> pag: 7.10?
[04:58] <yellow_chicken> or 8.04?
[04:58] <stdin> Nutubuntu: in the Kmenu, under the entry for "Help"
[04:58] <jenny_> Question: Is there a way to force one application to quit when clicking on the little "x" doesnt work and clicking on "close" from the pull down menu doesnt work either? Update Mgr is stuck but I dont want to close all I have open with Control Alt Backspace
[04:58] <pag> yellow_chicken, won't be default in 7.10 (too early) and not in 8.04 (LTS)
[04:59] <pag> jenny_, killall thenameoftheprogramm ?
[04:59] <BluesKaj> I heard rumours kde4 would be available in Jan08
[04:59] <stdin> jenny_: Ctrl-Alt-Esc and click it
[04:59] <BluesKaj> officially
[04:59] <klusmen> je tu nakej ceh:D
[04:59] <mrksbrd> ok I found out what it was ....java never finished installing....but i have a new problem
[04:59] <boneka> hallo all
[04:59] <pag> !cz | klusmen
[05:00] <ubotu> klusmen: esk uivatele dme, aby mluvili v kanle #ubuntu anglicky. esky je mono se domluvit v #ubuntu-cz. Dkujeme.
[05:00] <jenny_> I can do "  .killall update manager  " in terminal right
[05:00] <mrksbrd> it pops up a dos based "readme" file in Konsole but it doesn't allow me to choose ok or scroll thru it
[05:00] <pag> jenny_, better do it graphical way as stdin said
[05:00] <stdin> jenny_: the process isn't called "update manager"
[05:01] <Nutubuntu> stdin, maybe we're looking at different things? I have, below Help, Actions (a divider), then Settings and System Menu. Settings has a number of submenus but nohing I can find to set screen res... I feel dumb but there it is: I can't find it.
[05:01] <stdin> mrksbrd: press up/down and pageup/pagedown
[05:01] <mrksbrd> is there a command to cancel the install?
[05:01] <stdin> Nutubuntu: are you sure you have Kubuntu?
[05:01] <BluesKaj> jenny_,try this in the terminal : sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a
[05:02] <jenny_> Pag/ stdin It didnt do anything when I did Control Alt Esc and clicked the update mgr
[05:02] <Nutubuntu> I installed kubuntu-core, I believe it was, on top of ubuntu. I am guessing that must have given me significant differences in the menu structure ?
[05:02] <stdin> jenny_: try pressing Alt-F2 and running "xkill" then click it
[05:02] <mrksbrd> but it still doesn't allow me to select "ok" it looks like it needs me to confirm it to go any futher in the install
[05:03] <stdin> Nutubuntu: kubuntu-core? that's not a package i know. maybe you installed kde-core?
[05:03] <PhinnFort> stdin: the default kde shortcut for xkill is ctrl+alt+escape
[05:03] <Nutubuntu> Beg pardon, kde-core.
[05:03] <stdin> mrksbrd: you need to go t to the end, then use tab to select iy
[05:04] <Nutubuntu> You wouldn't happen to know the name of the app that sets screen-res, by any chance? So I could search for it and add it to Kmenu?
[05:04] <DaSkreech> Nutubuntu: ?
[05:04] <stdin> Nutubuntu: you need to install the package "kubuntu-desktop", or you aren't really running kubuntu, just ubuntu with *some* kde parts
[05:04] <DaSkreech> How did you come up with that name?
[05:04] <mrksbrd> lol....duH....i tried everything but!!!!!...
[05:04] <Nutubuntu> Okay, I can see that.
[05:04] <jhutchins> Nutubuntu: krandrtray for resize
[05:05] <jenny_> stdin/pag: oh cool thanks that worked :)
[05:05] <Nutubuntu> Me? DaSkreech - I am nu tu ubuntu, I guess
[05:05] <DaSkreech> ah
[05:05] <jenny_> freaked me out when a skull and crossbones came up
[05:05] <DaSkreech> That's brilliant
[05:05] <stdin> jenny_: heh :)
[05:05] <DaSkreech> Did you register that name?
[05:05] <jenny_> stdin/pag: you guys are so smart, heh this free tech support rocks
[05:05] <Nutubuntu> yes ... IDK if it's brilliant as much as it is nutso, but I did
[05:06] <Nutubuntu> jhutchins, t/y
[05:06] <DaSkreech> :)
[05:06] <pag> jenny_, :D
[05:06] <stdin> jenny_: you'll need to run the command to fix adept/apt now, or adept will complain
[05:06] <genii> stdin: ctrl-alt-esc works too :)
[05:06] <DaSkreech> Ctrl=alt+Esc FTW
[05:06] <DaSkreech> Blast :)
[05:06] <pag> !aptfix | jenny_
[05:06] <stdin> genii: I said that, apparently it didn't
[05:06] <ubotu> jenny_: If Adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole:  sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a 
[05:06] <genii> stdin: Ah, Ok, I must not have scrolled back far enough
[05:06] <memmy> hello, can anyone help me
[05:06] <stdin> !anyone
[05:07] <memmy> i can't open adept
[05:07] <BluesKaj> mrksbrd, read above about adeptfix
[05:07] <stdin> memmy: If Adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole:  sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a 
[05:07] <ubotu> A large amount of the first questions asked in this channel start with "Does anyone/anybody..."  Why not ask your next question (the real one) and find out?
[05:07] <memmy> it says there is a error in the configuration or something like that
[05:07] <stdin> BluesKaj: he joined after the message was posted
[05:08] <memmy> sorry ubotu but i'm new to all this
[05:08] <memmy> i'll try that next time
[05:09] <BluesKaj> yeah stdin, mrksbrd has the adept prob as well
[05:10] <AET061484> hello
[05:10] <Nutubuntu> t/y all - be well
[05:10] <jenny_> ubotu: i did that and it put me back at prompt
[05:10] <mrksbrd> md5sum mismatch install_flash_player_9_linux.tar.gz
[05:10] <pag> jenny_, ubotu's a bot :D
[05:10] <stdin> jenny_: that means it worked
[05:10] <mrksbrd> why can nothing be easy for m????????????
[05:11] <jenny_> i just noticed that, whats that mean?
[05:11] <BluesKaj> it seems some of the repos are depositing pkgs that are breaking upon install. There seems to be a lot of adept probs lately
[05:11] <mrksbrd> The Flash plugin is NOT installed.
[05:11] <pag> jenny_, what does the bot mean, right?
[05:11] <jenny_> pag: what is a bot exactly?
[05:11] <stdin> !bot
[05:11] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[05:12] <BluesKaj> ok mrksbrd , look in adept for flash
[05:12] <stdin> jenny_: it's a script running on another computer, it's not a real person it's a program
[05:12] <pag> jenny_, just a piece of programm that looks words in its database and answers with pre-defined answers (that was pretty shor explanation though)
[05:13] <jenny_> stdin: you mean a program on someone elses computer with no one behind he wheel so to speak is reading the room and looking for questions it can answer?
[05:13] <stdin> jenny_: yes :)
[05:13] <pag> jenny_, read http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots  it'll help you understand ubotu better :)
[05:13] <BluesKaj> beginning with the prompt !
[05:13] <DaSkreech> !flash
[05:13] <ubotu> To install Flash see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/Flash - Flash 9 is now available in dapper-backports and edgy-backports - See also !Restricted and !Gnash
[05:13] <DaSkreech> !gnash
[05:13] <ubotu> An open source flash replacement.  It is still beta software. For current status or for more info http://www.gnu.org/software/gnash/
[05:14] <mrksbrd> is ther a way to limit that list there is like 5000 things in there to choose from
[05:14] <DaSkreech> Is there an editor for Gnash?
[05:14] <AgreSor> how to change Display resolution on ATI 9800 with driver "ati" ?
[05:14] <jenny_> pag: thats kinda creepy, very cool though
[05:14] <jenny_> pag: high tech whatchamacallits
[05:14] <stdin> mrksbrd: look at the top, there is a search finction
[05:15] <stdin> *funstion
[05:15] <DaSkreech> AgreSor: I don't think that it changes based on your driver
[05:15] <mrksbrd> did that, flash plugin is showing installed
[05:15] <DaSkreech> It's the same all the time
[05:15] <pag> jenny_, ubotu has lots of undocumented features that are prety cool  (should be used only in -offtopic though) :D
[05:15] <DaSkreech> mrksbrd: konqueror?
[05:15] <AgreSor> So i can't change it ?
[05:15] <memmy> stdin: it says command not found, then it say password so i put that in and it just told me to type a bunch of different stuff
[05:16] <mrksbrd> ff & konqueror
[05:16] <DaSkreech> AgreSor: Yeah you can I just meant it doesn't matter what video card you have
[05:16] <AgreSor> aha.. with what app i will chage resolution ?
[05:16] <stdin> memmy: make sure you exactly type: sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock ; sudo dpkg --configure -a
[05:16] <DaSkreech> there is a display module in the control center
[05:16] <DaSkreech> and there is krandrtray
[05:17] <mrksbrd> ok time to step away b4 i throw this
[05:17] <AgreSor> DaSkreech,
[05:17] <DaSkreech> mrksbrd: :)
[05:17] <jenny_> pag: you remember that file i couldnt get to play?
[05:18] <AgreSor> krandrtray cant change..
[05:18] <AgreSor> ;s
[05:18] <DaSkreech> Hmm
[05:18] <AgreSor> i mean..
[05:18] <DaSkreech> what about the display module in the control center
[05:18] <AgreSor> there is no such package
[05:18] <AgreSor> :)
[05:18] <AgreSor> u mean system seting center ?
[05:18] <DaSkreech> !info krandrtray
[05:18] <ubotu> Package krandrtray does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas
[05:18] <pag> jenny_, sorry, I can't.
[05:18] <DaSkreech> Hmm
[05:18] <DaSkreech> It's called something like that :)
[05:18] <memmy> stdin: it did nothing
[05:18] <DaSkreech>  I don't recall the name
[05:19] <Daisuke_Ido> !info xrandrtray
[05:19] <DaSkreech>  Yeah system settings
[05:19] <ubotu> Package xrandrtray does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas
[05:19] <stdin> memmy: good, adept should work now
[05:19] <AgreSor> DaSkreech, it's good.. it have all..
[05:19] <AgreSor> thank's anyway :)
[05:19] <AgreSor> bye bye
[05:20] <DaSkreech> bye
[05:20] <memmy> no it still says...:The APT Database could not be opened! This may be caused by incorrect APT configuration or some similar problem. Try running apt-setup and apt-get update in terminal and see if it helps to resolve the problem
[05:20] <stdin> memmy: close adept and run the command "sudo apt-get update" in konsole
[05:21] <stdin> memmy: post the last 10 lines to http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org and give the URL here
[05:25] <TheRealInsane> how do I run konquerer in root level?
[05:25] <memmy> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/32153/
[05:26] <pag> TheRealInsane, if you really have to.. kdesu konqueror
[05:26] <pag> TheRealInsane, be *really* careful
[05:26] <TheRealInsane> Oh, kedsu instead of sudo. thx
[05:26] <TheRealInsane> Why though?
[05:26] <pag> !kdesu
[05:26] <ubotu> In KDE, use  kdesu  to run graphical applications with root privileges when you have to. Do *not* use  sudo <GUI application> ; you can muck up your permissions/config files. For what to use in GNOME, see !gksudo
[05:27] <Daisuke_Ido> which reminds me, that guy that wanted to copy files to / hasn't been back ...
[05:27] <stdin> memmy: you seem yo have a bad sources.list, press Alt-F2 and put in "kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list" and post it to pastebin
[05:27] <TheRealInsane> I mean, why should I be extra careful?
[05:28] <nicolai_> !kdesu | TheRealInsane
[05:28] <ubotu> TheRealInsane: In KDE, use  kdesu  to run graphical applications with root privileges when you have to. Do *not* use  sudo <GUI application> ; you can muck up your permissions/config files. For what to use in GNOME, see !gksudo
[05:28] <Daisuke_Ido> TheRealInsane: ever wonder why you can't delete things from system directories as a regular user?
[05:28] <stdin> TheRealInsane: because root is ALL POWERFUL :)
[05:28] <pag> TheRealInsane, one wrong move, and "whoops, you don't have a kernel anymore" - that's why.
[05:29] <TheRealInsane> You see, I'm just trying to copy/paste some firefox settings
[05:29] <Daisuke_Ido> that's dumb.
[05:30] <Daisuke_Ido> set them in firefox.
[05:30] <memmy> stdin: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/32154/
[05:30] <TheRealInsane> I'd have to spend hours downloading all my themes/plugins/searchbars/extensions though
[05:30] <stdin> memmy: no, post the contense of the file, from kate
[05:30] <paleface> !find quanta
[05:31] <ubotu> Found: quanta, quanta-data
[05:31] <Daisuke_Ido> bummer
[05:31] <DaSkreech> TheRealInsane: What are you trying to do?
[05:31] <BluesKaj> memmy, alt+F2 , kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list
[05:32] <TheRealInsane> DaSkreech: Copy my firefox extensions and themes to linux
[05:33] <DaSkreech> TheRealInsane: you don't need root to do that where are you copying them to?
[05:34] <TheRealInsane> Errr, /etc/firefox/profiles/extensions
[05:34] <TheRealInsane> From /home/insane/windows/program files/firefox/extensions
[05:35] <memmy> okay i did that...so send you the link?
[05:36] <pag> memmy, yup.
[05:37] <DaSkreech> TheRealInsane: Nope :)
[05:37] <memmy> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/32155/
[05:37] <DaSkreech> TheRealInsane: copy them to ~/.mozilla/firefox/profiles/someprofilesname
[05:38] <stdin> memmy: you need to remove the line with "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install sun-java5-jre sun-java5-plugin" on it, then save the file. you'll probably want to enable some other repositories too
[05:39] <stdin> memmy: so it looks like http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/32156/
[05:39] <DaSkreech> stdin: generally easier to ... damn it never mind
[05:40] <memmy> i do that in kate?
[05:41] <BluesKaj> memmy, better still , edit/select all/ hit the delete key then copy and paste stdin 's version of the file into yours
[05:41] <memmy> okay
[05:41] <BluesKaj> then save it
[05:44] <memmy> Thank you guys so much...it works!!! i'm so happy
[05:46] <BluesKaj> cool :)
[05:48] <erikja> !wireless
[05:48] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[05:50] <Dr_willis> !uuid
[05:50] <ubotu> To see a list of your devices/partitions and their corresponding UUID's, run this command in a !shell:  blkid  (see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LibAtaForAtaDisks for the rationale behind the transition to UUID)
[05:57] <DaSkreech> can anyone get the file http://bassfly.student.utwente.nl/~johndoe/awn_stack.mpg
[05:57] <genii> DaSkreech: retrieve it or view it?
[05:58] <DaSkreech> Either
[05:58] <DaSkreech> I can't do any of the above
[05:58] <stdin> timeout
[05:58] <DaSkreech> If I try to save it it says I downloaded it but the file doesn't exist
[05:58] <DaSkreech> if I try to stream it I can't find the codec
[05:59] <DaSkreech> Blast Would be ffun to see Mac Stacks on Linux
[05:59] <gan|y|med> hi
[06:00] <genii> DaSkreech: It goes forever "Waiting"
[06:00] <nicolai_> DaSkreech: it wont download
[06:00] <gan|y|med> i have a problem with amarok in feisty. when i connect to my media player, copy files, and then disconnect it still says writing for quite some time so i can't unmount. any ideas why?
[06:00] <DaSkreech> Yeah I figured it was the server
[06:01] <TheRealInsane> Just a question, linux is completely open-source, right?
[06:01] <stdin> TheRealInsane: linux ( as in the kernel ) is GPLv2
[06:01] <Yorokobi> TheRealInsane, most of it is. Your nvidia-supplied drivers are not (for one example).
[06:01] <TheRealInsane> And kubuntu?
[06:02] <gan|y|med> is a bot of everything :)
[06:02] <stdin> TheRealInsane: everything in main is "open source" and I think everything in "universe" is too
[06:02] <gan|y|med> bit
[06:02] <pag> stdin, doesn't *buntu kome with restricted drivers? (wifi mostly)
[06:03] <stdin> pag: yes, but they are in the restricted repos, not main
[06:03] <pag> stdin, but at least some of them are installed by default, aren't they?
[06:04] <gan|y|med> so does anybody know why amarok does not display the time it really needs to copy files (in full) to the player?
[06:04] <stdin> pag: I didn't say they weren't :)
[06:04] <pag> stdin, ok. :)
[06:05] <stdin> if you want a 100% open-source distro, and your hardware works with it, look in to gnusense and gobuntu
[06:05] <BluesKaj> gan|y|med, guess it depends on yer pc buss speed and how many apps you have running
[06:06] <gan|y|med> BluesKaj: any idea how i can figure out that it actually uses a usb 2.0 bus?
[06:07] <sudeep> how can i get "My Computer" icon on desktop
[06:07] <pawan> where is restricted drivers in kubunut
[06:08] <pawan> kubuntu
[06:08] <sudeep> how can i get "My Computer" and "home folder" icon on desktop
[06:08] <BluesKaj> gan|y|med, maybe the kinfocenter usb devices dialog
[06:08] <gan|y|med> thx. i'll try this
[06:08] <stdin> pawan: it's not installed in kubuntu by default as it's a GTK app
[06:08] <jussi> !adeptfix
[06:09] <DaSkreech> Hi BluesKaj
[06:09] <ubotu> If Adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole:  sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a 
[06:09] <stdin> sudeep: there is no "My Computer" as such
[06:09] <BluesKaj> hi DaSkreech
[06:10] <sudeep> stdin, i think i have seen .. such somewhere (KDE evn.)
[06:10] <BluesKaj> been sorta wondering about a desktop "home" link
[06:11] <stdin> BluesKaj: I just have it on kicker, so I don't have to minimise or switch to another desktop to click it
[06:11] <MarcC> how do I type a folder name that contains spaces when I need to type it in the terminal? I remember using slashes somehow...
[06:11] <pawan> where is gtk app
[06:11] <gan|y|med> BluesKaj: thx, that worked. unfortunately (or maybe not), the problem must be somewhere else than with the bus
[06:11] <shahzeb> hey guys
[06:11] <shahzeb> i need help
[06:12] <stdin> MarcC: put a \ before the space, that's called "escaping" a charactor
[06:12] <shahzeb> can u guys tell me how to enable 3d desktop
[06:12] <jussi> !compiz | shahzeb
[06:12] <ubotu> shahzeb: Compiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL) - Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager - See http://tinyurl.com/pw5ez for Kubuntu systems - Help in #ubuntu-effects
[06:12] <MarcC> thanks stdin
[06:13] <BluesKaj> yeah stdin, i use the system menu .. it's only an extra click
[06:13] <stdin> BluesKaj: that's a valuable few milliseconds you're wasting :p
[06:14] <BluesKaj> hehe, wasted plenty more over the yrs in windows , so what's one more click :)
[06:14] <MarcC> how do I make a mount point before I mount something there?
[06:14] <jussi> MarcC: just create a directory
[06:15] <stdin> MarcC: "mkdir" makes a directory (as the name suggests)
[06:15] <MarcC> thanks jussi, is it better to put a mount in /media or /mnt?
[06:15] <sudeep> where can i find any package download using "apt-get instal <packagee>" in my system so i can back it up...
[06:15] <stdin> MarcC: doesn't actually matter
[06:15] <jussi> MarcC: no difference
[06:16] <MarcC> stdin: ok, just wondering if there's a preference
[06:16] <stdin> sudeep: the files are installed all over the place
[06:16] <jussi> because it is then in the system menu
[06:16] <MarcC> great, thanks :)
[06:16] <tdn> How do I wipe free space on a USB storage device? Zeroes is ok.
[06:17] <stdin> MarcC: /media is _supposed_ to be used for removable media, but you can mount it to /billybob if you wanted :p
[06:17] <Sanne> MarcC: I made my handmade permanent mount points under /mnt, and let the system get /media where removable medias typically get automounted. But that's just a preference.
[06:17] <sudeep> stdin, i mean to say *.deb file..
[06:17] <pag> sudeep, /var/cache/apt/archives/
[06:17] <MarcC> thanks Sanne
[06:17] <Sanne> :)
[06:17] <turkal> anyone here have a USB headset and know how to send the same sound to it that goes to the primary sound card?
[06:17] <MarcC> I'm having troubles with this command to mount it though :/
[06:18] <DaSkreech> MarcC: Tab helps greatly
[06:18] <DaSkreech> !tab | MarcC
[06:18] <ubotu> MarcC: You can use <tab> for autocompletion of nicknames in IRC, as well as for completion of filenames and programs on the command line.
[06:18] <sudeep> pag, does it get. permanently stored there.. so gets delete on restart
[06:19] <pag> sudeep, they're stored unless you command apt-get clean
[06:20] <DaSkreech> MarcC: By convention /mnt is for permanent mounts that you always expect to be there and /media for swappable/removable media
[06:20] <Dj_FlyBy> wow, almost 6,000 ROOT Login attempts in the month of July on our Server, and 5,770 of those are from the same IP in South Korea ....   WOW
[06:20] <sudeep> pag, thanks
[06:20] <MarcC> dang, what does "mount data version not supported" mean?
[06:20] <DaSkreech> MarcC: Won't mount?
[06:20] <jussi> hmmm, where are knoversations settings kept? there doesnt seem to be a .konversation...
[06:20] <MarcC> DaSkreech: thanks...yes, it won't mount, I'm wondering why
[06:20] <MarcC> it's an NTFS Samba share...I wonder if that's a problem?
[06:20] <DaSkreech> Dj_FlyBy: sounds like time to have a ipfilter to silently drop anything from that ip
[06:21] <pag> jussi, .kde/share/apps/konversation  or .kde/share/config/konverstaionrc
[06:21] <jussi> pag: thanks
[06:21] <Dj_FlyBy> DaSkreech: most defiantely
[06:21] <DaSkreech> MarcC: How are you mounting it?
[06:21] <Dj_FlyBy> s/defiantely/definately
[06:21] <MarcC> DaSkreech: sudo mount -t smbfs //server/My\ Music /media/tunes -o username=marc,password=blah,fmask=777,dmask=777
[06:21] <DaSkreech> tried smbmount?
[06:21] <mysticgohan> bonsoir tous le monde
[06:22] <pag> !fr | mysticgohan
[06:22] <ubotu> mysticgohan: Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[06:22] <MarcC> DaSkreech: nope, should I? I just got this command from somebody in #kubuntu :)
[06:22] <stdin> MarcC: try with -t cifs
[06:22] <DaSkreech> can't kill you :)
[06:23] <Yorokobi> DaSkreech's famous last words :)
[06:23] <Yorokobi> or, infamous
[06:23] <MarcC> stdin: CIFS failed with return code -22
[06:23] <stdin> hmm
[06:24] <stdin> can you see the share in konqueror?
[06:24] <lwh> \ Music /  why no second \ ?
[06:24] <MarcC> lwh: I just asked about that and somebody told me just to escape the space with a single backslash xD
[06:24] <stdin> lwh: why would there be?
[06:24] <lwh> isn't there a space after music
[06:24] <lwh> oh nm :)
[06:24] <DaSkreech> nope
[06:25] <DaSkreech> :)
[06:25] <DaSkreech> Course I'm generally lazy enough to just use smb://
[06:25] <jhutchins> smbclient -L \\server
[06:25] <lwh> 22 is einvalid
[06:25] <MarcC> DaSkreech: I'm mounting it because media player support for smb:// is dismal
[06:26] <MarcC> jhutchins: what does that do?
[06:26] <jhutchins> MarcC: smbclient -L \\server
[06:26] <jhutchins> MarcC: Try it and see.
[06:26] <MarcC> jhutchins: ok, it listed a bunch of shared stuff
[06:27] <jhutchins> MarcC: Ok, that confirms that you have access and should show the actual format of the name for the share.
[06:27] <MarcC> it's putting the domain in all caps, should I do that? And do I need to specify a workgroup somewhere?
[06:28] <jhutchins> MarcC: Try quoting the sharename instead of escaping the spaces.  Doublequote: "
[06:29] <MarcC> jhutchins: hm...I still get
[06:29] <MarcC> mount_data version 1919251317 is not supported
[06:29] <jhutchins> MarcC: Interesting.
[06:30] <jhutchins> What's the version of the OS you're sharing from?
[06:30] <MarcC> a google search tells me I should install smbfs
[06:30] <MarcC> jhutchins: Windows 5.1
[06:31] <MarcC> lol, it WORKED! All I had to do was install smbfs and run the command again xD
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[06:31] <jhutchins> MarcC: Here's to meaningful error messages!
[06:31] <MarcC> gee whiz, sometimes you gotta learn lessons on the whipping pole
[06:32] <MarcC> no kidding
[06:32] <BluesKaj> interesting that samba isn't installed by default
[06:32] <Yorokobi> MarcC, you can be our whipping boy any time.
[06:32] <MarcC> well, smb:// worked fine...
[06:32] <MarcC> Yorokobi: hai, yorokobimasu
[06:32] <BluesKaj> yeah smb4k works well on our little network
[06:33] <Yorokobi> MarcC, 
[06:34] <MarcC> Yorokobi: lol, never seen kanji in irc before
[06:35] <MarcC> 
[06:35] <MarcC> hm, cool
[06:35] <runlevelten> I read windows 3.1 for a second then :)
[06:36] <Yorokobi> MarcC, lol
[06:36] <MarcC> Yorokobi: do you know how to change the japanese font?
[06:36] <Yorokobi> MarcC, I'm sure it depends on the IRC client
[06:37] <MarcC> ok, I'll have a look around
[06:38] <MarcC> man, buying a linux laptop is like the best computing decision I've ever made
[06:38] <cloakable> :)
[06:40] <runlevelten> MarcC: I don't doubt it :)
[06:42] <BluesKaj> MarcC, Dell ?
[06:44] <sudeep> is there any package like "gtkorphan" for kde
[06:44] <MarcC> BluesKaj: yeah
[06:45] <arun> hello
[06:45] <stdin> sudeep: not that I can find, but you can still use gtkorphan
[06:46] <BluesKaj> MarcC, did it come with Gnome Ubuntu feisty installed , or did you have a choce of Desktop Environments ?
[06:47] <MarcC> BluesKaj: it came with Gnome; I kept it on there and installed kubuntu-desktop, just because I like to pop over to Gnome on occasion
[06:47] <MarcC> like when I want to know what it's like to not be able to configure my screensavers ;)
[06:48] <Masterbard> hi there I use Kubuntu I try to open add/delete programs but it tells me there is an error and that i might have incorrect apt configuration. Can some one please help me a bit I am a noob :P
[06:48] <Daisuke_Ido> i feel like such a traitor
[06:48] <Daisuke_Ido> i'm actually using gnome
[06:48] <BluesKaj> MarcC, right , cool that one pc maker is beginning to se the light :)
[06:48] <Daisuke_Ido> because the eye candy is more stable
[06:49] <MarcC> BluesKaj: yeah...the sales guy was really excited to talk to a linux user over the phone...he had a lot of questions
[06:49] <stdin> !aptfix | Masterbard, try this
[06:49] <ubotu> Masterbard, try this: If Adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole:  sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a 
[06:50] <BluesKaj> MarcC, did you tell him about "this room"  ?
[06:52] <runlevelten> Daisuke_Ido: whatever works man.
[06:52] <runlevelten> Daisuke_Ido: besides which, you'll be back, mwahahahahaha.
[06:53] <bsundsrud> important question: on a new laptop, nvidia graphics card or Intel GMA 950?
[06:53] <bsundsrud> hehe
[06:54] <MarcC> BluesKaj: afraid not :)
[06:55] <stdin> bsundsrud: intel if you want an easy life
[06:55] <jhutchins> bsundsrud: Are you asking us what you should buy?
[06:55] <bsundsrud> yeah
[06:55] <bsundsrud> ive had decent luck with nvidia on this lappy
[06:56] <BluesKaj> having trouble configging your scnsaver, MarcC ?
[06:56] <bsundsrud> to be continued, off to lunch.
[06:56] <jhutchins> bsundsrud: From what I've seen, nvidia problems depend on exactly which chipset, so I'd find out the exact chipset and do some searching.
[06:56] <Daisuke_Ido> runlevelten: i'm sure i will be
[06:57] <Daisuke_Ido> but that's the beauty of it, it doesn't really make a difference :D
[06:57] <Daisuke_Ido> and i'm a tad upset with dell
[06:57] <Daisuke_Ido> they've removed the inspiron 1505 from their list of ubuntu pcs :\
[06:58] <BluesKaj> Daisuke_Ido, maybe too many probs with running linux on it
[06:58] <BluesKaj> support probs
[06:59] <Daisuke_Ido> perhaps
[07:00] <Daisuke_Ido> but that means the only ubuntu laptop available has a 14.1" screen :\
[07:01] <runlevelten> Some people were predicting Dell would experience total "linux on the desktop phailure" at some point after starting it.
[07:02] <runlevelten> Something to do with a puppetteer pulling OEM strings or something. All complete garbage I'm sure.
[07:02] <takashi> But Dell were pleased with Linux laptop sales.
[07:02] <takashi> They're going to introduce new models they said.
[07:03] <MarcC> lol, my bro-in-law just called me..."hey, I was thinking of buying a Mac but I noticed that you don't use one...can you explain why?"
[07:03] <genii> Hopefully they'll get rid of those damn Broadcoms they like so much
[07:04] <Daisuke_Ido> genii: apple?
[07:05] <Sanne> MarcC: haha, really? Get him over! :)
[07:05] <genii> Daisuke_Ido: Dell
[07:06] <DaSkreech> Daisuke_Ido: tried kwin_composite?
[07:08] <DaSkreech> MarcC: Why dont' you?
[07:09] <MarcC> DaSkreech: I gave him the option, told him why I like it...but I don't think he has enough experience with Linux to know what to expect
[07:10] <MarcC> so I'd rather see him curse a Mac than curse Linux I guess ;)
[07:10] <Daisuke_Ido> genii: all i'm seeing from dell is intel 3945 and 4965
[07:11] <runlevelten> I find the Linux easier to support than teh OS X, although ymmv.
[07:11] <Daisuke_Ido> of course, 4965, while supported by intel in linux, is definitely not ready for prime time
[07:11] <Sanne> MarcC: let him play with a live cd
[07:11] <Daisuke_Ido> mine's a 3945
[07:11] <runlevelten> You have to set it up for them, but then they run for years.
[07:11] <MarcC> yeah, I definitely won't be supporting it...he's 1000 miles away
[07:11] <jhutchins> I'd certainly recommend a Mac to a non-tinkerer.
[07:12] <runlevelten> ssh, heh
[07:12] <runlevelten> jhutchins: definitely
[07:12] <jhutchins> MarcC: Whether you have access to a stron local Mac-using community is a big difference in satisfaction.
[07:12] <colin_> Can someone help me please, I can't use Adept
[07:12] <MarcC> jhutchins: he's at a university, so I think he'll be ok in that regard
[07:12] <Cocytus> Hm. My desktop image/color settings is no longer drawn, the background is only white.. any tips?
[07:12] <stdin> !aptfix | colin_
[07:12] <ubotu> colin_: If Adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole:  sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a 
[07:12] <jhutchins> MarcC: Well, he should check.
[07:13] <MarcC> he kept using the phrase "it's just cooler" when talking about the mac though, so I think he'll gladly shell out for it :)
[07:13] <runlevelten> I set up a machine for SuSE 9.2 for someone, made sure *everything* was how they wanted it and they've had any problem I couldn't fix with ssh for them
[07:13] <jhutchins> MarcC: For instance, at UMKC there isn't a Mac community.  At AU Tucson, there is.
[07:13] <runlevelten> I only went around and installed a newer OS because I felt like seeing them, it wasn't necessary.
[07:14] <runlevelten> *with SuSE 9.2
[07:14] <MarcC> jhutchins: I'll have him check...but a lot of people in Utah use Macs, esp. at the uni level
[07:14] <razor111> hi all
[07:14] <Daisuke_Ido> MarcC: if he thinks it's cooler, he's never toyed with compositing :)
[07:14] <Yorokobi> MarcC, he's in Utah?
[07:14] <MarcC> Yorokobi: yep
[07:14] <colin_> stdin: thankyou stdin
[07:14] <Yorokobi> MarcC, yeah, there's support here, for both Mac and Ubuntu :)
[07:14] <runlevelten> My local Mac User Group *charges* people to be members.
[07:14] <runlevelten> which makes me boggle tbh.
[07:14] <genii> Daisuke_Ido: I may be getting the chipsets between Dell and Compaq mixed up.
[07:14] <MarcC> Yorokobi: what part of UT do you live in?
[07:15] <Yorokobi> SLC
[07:15] <razor111> could someone help me how i can change the writting language??
[07:15] <MarcC> ok, he's in logan
[07:15] <MarcC> I used to work in American Fork
[07:15] <Yorokobi> MarcC, ah, there's some support at USU but I'm not sure how good it is
[07:16] <Yorokobi> MarcC, your bro-in-law needs to transfer to the UofU :)
[07:16] <MarcC> Yorokobi: agreed, but he's really into agriculture :)
[07:16] <Yorokobi> ah, then he's in the right spot
[07:17] <MarcC> which makes me wonder again, why it's so cool to him to own a mac ;)
[07:18] <runlevelten> MarcC: If he doesn't want to get into the pooter, a Mac will be a winning choice, tbh.
[07:18] <Yorokobi> razor111, do you want to change the language the menu's, etc. are in or change the language you're typing?
[07:19] <razor111> Yorokobi:yes
[07:19] <Yorokobi> razor111, yes as in both?
[07:20] <razor111> Yorokobi: :) sorry i mean the typing language
[07:20] <DaSkreech> razor111: To what?
[07:20] <razor111> i want to write in Bulgarian
[07:21] <Yorokobi> razor111, install scim/skim
[07:22] <runlevelten> press alt+f2, type kcontrol, then go to regional accessibility and language and choose country/region and language
[07:22] <Yorokobi> or not ... I don't see an input method for Bulgarian for scim
[07:22] <runlevelten> then in the same section, choose keyboard layout :)
[07:24] <colin_> I've installed libdvdcss2 but still cant use dvd's... If I try to install libdvdnav4 Adept says it would break packages ?
[07:24] <razor111> runlevelten: No such file or directory
[07:24] <colin_> !dvd
[07:24] <ubotu> For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss2" can be found at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - Try k9copy (available in !Universe) for backing up DVDs
[07:24] <runlevelten> no such file or directory as kcontrol?
[07:24] <razor111> Yorokobi: i've just installed scim and what next?
[07:25] <runlevelten> then you're not running kubuntu, old chap.
[07:25] <razor111> runlevelten: sorry :) i'm writting in kubuntu
[07:25] <Yorokobi> razor111, I don't believe scim has a Bulgarian input option. I think it is for East Asian languages only ...
[07:25] <colin_> I followed the instructions on the medibuntu page but now Im getting messages from Adept saying it couldn't install stuff cause it would break packages
[07:25] <runlevelten> then you typed kcontrol incorrectly.
[07:27] <meuhlol> yop yop all
[07:27] <runlevelten> Wow, does scim really have no way of quitting from the applet?
[07:27] <colin_> No plugin found to handle this resource (dvd:///dev/hdd)
[07:28] <runlevelten> More UI dictatorship I spose.
[07:28] <colin_> xine: couldn't find demux for >dvd:///dev/hdd<
[07:28] <colin_> xine: found input plugin : DVD Navigator
[07:28] <Yorokobi> runlevelten, hehe, yeah. skim does, but scim is a beast :) You have to kill the daemon
[07:28] <colin_> can someone help ?
[07:28] <balint> hiho, hiho is there any repo for HIDD ?
[07:28] <runlevelten> gnome eh.
[07:29] <runlevelten> """You will not be provided with useful options!!"""
[07:29] <razor111> Yorokobi: i installed scim and what is the next step?
[07:29] <runlevelten> now go into kcontrol and install the languages you need.
[07:29] <Yorokobi> razor111, again: scim probably isn't the answer you need. Go with runlevelten's suggestion.
[07:31] <runlevelten> See this is the sort of thing that gets my goat about that DE. I'm now "kill"ing a gui app that hasn't crashed
[07:31] <Yorokobi> razor111, then uninstall/purge scim (unless you want to type in Asian languages).
[07:31] <razor111> ok
[07:31] <runlevelten> I bet there was a big long argument about it where the developer insisted on some stupid reason for not allowing a quit option, too.
[07:32] <runlevelten> razor111: alt f2 kcontrol
[07:32] <runlevelten> regional accessibility and language, country/region and language and ensure everything's as you want it.
[07:33] <razor111> runlevelten: i'm using xubuntu, is that a problem
[07:33] <runlevelten> No, not at all :)
[07:33] <runlevelten> #xubuntu
[07:33] <razor111> buy :)
[07:34] <runlevelten> later, hope you get it sorted out :)
[07:34] <jhutchins> Take a look at most of the daemon management scripts in /etc/init.d/ and youll see that a lot of them use kill to pass a shutdown signal.
[07:34] <Yorokobi> by bye buy bi
[07:34] <jhutchins> That's why kill has so many options - it's a very common tool for managing non-interactive processes.
[07:35] <Dr_willis> i like the 'kill --with-extreme-prejudice' option. :)
[07:36] <runlevelten> non-interactive being the part that jumps out at you, jhutchins, heh
[07:40] <colin_> I am getting a number of errors when I try to play dvd's with kaffeine
[07:43] <spartako> colin it's tipical!
[07:43] <spartako> do u use encrypted dvd?
[07:43] <runlevelten> wot errors?
[07:44] <colin_> couldn't find demux for >dvd:///dev/hdd<
[07:45] <denis> besoins d,aides...voila ma question.jai kubuntu es je ne peut pas lires mes videos es ni nouvelles genres rdi et tva ,pourquoi svp
[07:45] <runlevelten> It's actually been so long since I had one, I can't remember if that's the libdvdcss error
[07:46] <runlevelten> colin, is it a default install and a commercial dvd?
[07:46] <runlevelten> !dvd
[07:46] <genii> !fr
[07:46] <ubotu> For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss2" can be found at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - Try k9copy (available in !Universe) for backing up DVDs
[07:46] <ubotu> Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[07:56] <scott_> Can anyone that is on help me set up a IRC server?
[07:57] <DaSkreech> Why?
[07:57] <Insane`YoGabba> scott_ an IRC server for what?
[07:58] <DaSkreech> !info ircd
[07:58] <ubotu> Package ircd does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas
[07:58] <scott_> Well I am learnong the ropes around linux adn computer in general and i am kinda in training, i was told to make a irc server
[07:58] <DaSkreech> !info ircd_hybrid
[07:58] <ubotu> Package ircd_hybrid does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas
[07:58] <DaSkreech> Ha ha that's some funky training
[07:58] <Insane`YoGabba> Indeedidoo
[07:59] <scott_> i need it to be that only me and him can get on it
[07:59] <DaSkreech> !search ircd
[07:59] <ubotu> Found:
[07:59] <scott_> yea u telling me u dont wanna know what i did last time
[07:59] <Insane`YoGabba> !search irc
[07:59] <ubotu> Found: logs-#ubuntuforums, tor-gpg, doesn't work, ircmeetings, guidelines-#ubuntuforums, irssi, channels, patience, ircguidelines, tab
[07:59] <DaSkreech> scott_: I think that's called Jabber :)
[07:59] <genii> !info ircd-hybrid
[08:00] <ubotu> ircd-hybrid: high-performance secure IRC server. In component universe, is optional. Version 1:7.2.2.dfsg.1-3 (feisty), package size 549 kB, installed size 2208 kB
[08:00] <stdin> !find ircd
[08:00] <ubotu> Found: dancer-ircd, dancer-ircd-doc, ircd-hybrid, ircd-irc2, ircd-ircu (and 3 others)
[08:00] <scott_> i have ircd-hybrid installed it is just i can find any config
[08:00] <DaSkreech> what? didn't I just look for that?
[08:00] <sx66> how do you add the system tray to the panel? I can not find it in the add list.
[08:01] <stdin> DaSkreech: !search searches the bots factoids, !find searches the package database
[08:01] <DaSkreech> really
[08:01] <DaSkreech> Hmm
[08:01] <sx66> !system tray
[08:01] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about system tray - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:02] <BluesKaj> sx66, yer thinking windows
[08:02] <scott_> i have done some research on which one is good and it seems most people like ircd-hybrid
[08:03] <sx66> BluesKaj: I have a new panel, and I want the system tray: IE: battery logo, wifi icon...etc where do I get that?
[08:03] <BluesKaj> sx66, if you want apps in the panel choose the individual apps in the k-menu , right click and add to panel option will be there
[08:03] <Insane`YoGabba> sudo apt-get install ircd-hybrid
[08:03] <Insane`YoGabba> works for me
[08:03] <Insane`YoGabba> I can connect
[08:04] <scott_> but then were is the config ircd.config it think or something like that
[08:04] <sx66> BluesKaj: nope, no apps, I want the system tray (battery logo, wifi, common apps running etc). I click add to panel and it is not there.
[08:05] <Yorokobi> sx66, are you looking in the list of applets for the panel?
[08:05] <sx66> oh, I got it. the sys tray can only run on one panel....duh
[08:06] <Roey> Does anyone here know when is the KDE-Qt style going to get updated to fix this bug with XChat on Kubuntu Feisty Fawn?  They don't highlight anymore upon new messages...
[08:10] <scott_> so how do i config ircd-hybrid?
[08:10] <denis> question en francais
[08:10] <stdin> !fr | denis
[08:10] <ubotu> denis: Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[08:11] <sx66> how do you put the home folder down on the task bar?
[08:11] <stdin> scott_: you can always search the project website or ask in #freenode (as freenode uses a modified version)
[08:11] <genii> scott_: You may get a better response about server applications on channel #ubuntu-server  or go to the source, http://ircd-hybrid.org/support.html
[08:12] <Yorokobi> Roey, remove gtk-qt-engine and see if xchat behaves better
[08:13] <scott_> thankyou very much for the help
[08:14] <Karti> Hi all, any idea when I go into system settings and select admin mode, I am NOT supplied with a window asking for password but it just stays blank?
[08:14] <Karti> and I can't add printers or the like?
[08:15] <DaSkreech> Karti: Which Module?
[08:15] <Karti> DaSkreech: Generally printers or Monitor
[08:15] <genii> Hmm, might be not using default first user which has sudo priveledge by default but a subsequent user
[08:16] <Karti> genii: I only have the one user
[08:19] <genii> Karti: If in a console you do something to test sudo like:  sudo clear       does it ask for password or say something about not in sudoers file or similar?
[08:19] <BluesKaj> Karti, sometimes running ' sudo dpkg --configure -a ' will give the password dialog back ...dunno why but it has worked for me in the past
[08:19] <BluesKaj> gotta relogin
[08:21] <chris__> hello
[08:21] <Karti> genii: sudo clear has cleared it asking for password
[08:21] <BlueFightingCat> hi. i'm a little new to Kubuntu and I was wondering if somebody could help me with installing a couple of packages
[08:21] <Karti> how do I get that back?
[08:22] <savetheWorld> apt-get install <package name> (done as root, or via sudo )
[08:23] <BlueFightingCat> doesn't work. I get the "e: couldn't find package ****"
[08:23] <genii> Karti: that was just to make sure your user is allowed to use sudo. So it's OK that way. Maybe try what BluesKaj suggested
[08:23] <DaSkreech> BlueFightingCat: Which?
[08:23] <BlueFightingCat> build-essentials
[08:23] <Karti> genii: just tried that, it didn't do anything....
[08:24] <genii> Karti: He said it needs logon/logoff to take effect
[08:24] <Yorokobi> BlueFightingCat, try it without the trailing 's' (sudo aptitude install build-essential
[08:24] <Karti> oops ta brb
[08:24] <DaSkreech> !b-e
[08:24] <ubotu> Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for pre-built !packages first: not all !repositories are enabled by default!)
[08:24] <chris__> i've installed ubuntu 7.04 today and i managed to setup an adsl usb connexant modem. Really difficult! A modem-router installation is easier??
[08:24] <DaSkreech> BlueFightingCat: Adept might be of some help :)
[08:25] <BlueFightingCat> Hey guys. It's just all a little confusing. there seem to be several ways to install packages and I don't really knwo which way to go
[08:25] <Yorokobi> BlueFightingCat, all of them work :) it just depends on your preference
[08:25] <DaSkreech> BlueFightingCat: they all accomplish the same thing
[08:26] <bsundsrud> BlueFightingCat: adept is the easiest, GUI-est way.
[08:26] <DaSkreech>  just which one you feel comfortable with
[08:26] <BlueFightingCat> so what should I use to install build-essential?
[08:26] <savetheWorld> BlueFightingCat: from the command line :  apt-get install <package name> (done as root, or via sudo )
[08:26] <change> test
[08:26] <change> lolo?
[08:26] <DaSkreech> BlueFightingCat: While you are starting out Adept is nice cause it has a search built in
[08:26] <savetheWorld> change: fails
[08:27] <BlueFightingCat> but when I search in adept for build-essential
[08:27] <BlueFightingCat> it doesn't find it
[08:27] <BlueFightingCat> am I missing somehting?
[08:27] <Yorokobi> !info build-essential
[08:27] <TeckRennWeg> eh?.
[08:27] <ubotu> build-essential: informational list of build-essential packages. In component main, is optional. Version 11.3 (feisty), package size 6 kB, installed size 48 kB
[08:27] <DaSkreech> BlueFightingCat: that's highly strange
[08:27] <Roey> BlueFightingCat:  great nick
[08:27] <bsundsrud> BlueFightingCat: when i search for it (exact thing im typing: build-essential) i find it.
[08:28] <Yorokobi> speaking of cats: http://www.scalzi.com/whatever/004457.html
[08:28] <lamo> I  just installed Kubuntu 7.04 on my new Dell Inspiron 6400. Problem is it's running like sh*t. Not sure why since I have really nice specs. But my current problem is installing my nvidia 7 series GO driver. When I kill x and run the driver it says to install libc? I have libc6 and others installed already. whats the deal?
[08:28] <TeckRennWeg> lolo wtf ^
[08:28] <BlueFightingCat> in Adept-Manager I just enter "build-essential" in the search box
[08:29] <BlueFightingCat> and nothing comes up
[08:29] <Karti> genii: what was that command again? sudo clear?
[08:29] <BluesKaj> BlueFightingCat, do you know about editing your sources list ? uncommenting the 'deb' repositories by removing the # in front of the addresses, so adept can download and install them
[08:30] <bsundsrud> BlueFightingCat: are you trying to do this through the Add/Remove programs on the K menu, or via Adept manager under System in the kmenu?
[08:30] <BlueFightingCat> Blueskay: no I don't. I'm very new to this
[08:30] <gnomefreak> shouldnt matter build-essential is on the cd
[08:30] <bsundsrud> BluesKaj: its in main, he should see it
[08:30] <BlueFightingCat> bsundsrud: adept manager
[08:30] <gnomefreak> !b-e
[08:30] <ubotu> Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for pre-built !packages first: not all !repositories are enabled by default!)
[08:31] <gnomefreak> BlueFightingCat: apt-cache policy build-essential
[08:31] <genii> Karti: that command does not actually do anything useful. It just clears the screen
[08:31] <BluesKaj> strange that it isn't listed , unless he's copying the quotes as well
[08:31] <gnomefreak> BlueFightingCat: does that command give you a repo/ installed version canidate version?
[08:31] <BlueFightingCat> gnomefreak: W: unable to locate package build-essential
[08:32] <genii> Karti: It was to make sure that the user trying to issue the "clear" command has the right to use the other command sudo
[08:32] <lamo> I  just installed Kubuntu 7.04 on my new Dell Inspiron 6400. Problem is it's running like sh*t, not sure why since I have really nice specs. But my current problem is installing my nvidia 7 series GO driver. When I kill x and run the driver it says to install libc? I have libc6 and others installed already. Any clue what I need to do? Thanks.
[08:32] <gnomefreak> BlueFightingCat: are you using " or ' anything?
[08:32] <BlueFightingCat> gnomefreak: I don't know what you mean
[08:32] <gnomefreak> BlueFightingCat: what version of ubuntu?
[08:32] <BluesKaj> !patience | lamo
[08:32] <ubotu> lamo: The people here are volunteers, your attitude may determine how fast you are helped.  Not everyone is available all the time, likewise not every answer is available instantly. See also http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines
[08:33] <DaSkreech> BlueFightingCat: You played with the sources.list?
[08:33] <Insane`YoGabba> Omg.. Linux users in their natural environment: http://youtube.com/watch?v=a_F5Jjr7vaY
[08:33] <gnomefreak> maybe they pulled it off cd for extra room?
[08:33] <DaSkreech> !nividia | lamo
[08:33] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about nividia - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:33] <BlueFightingCat> daskreech: no
[08:33] <DaSkreech> !nvidia | lamo
[08:33] <ubotu> lamo: To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[08:33] <BlueFightingCat> gnomefreak: no
[08:33] <lamo> i understand I was trying to keep my question visible,sorry.
[08:33] <Karti> genii: cool, I believe that I was in a konsole that I had enterered the password for already :)
[08:33] <BlueFightingCat> gnomefreak: feisty
[08:34] <gnomefreak> BlueFightingCat: im thinking they did do to mono
[08:34] <gnomefreak> s/do/due
[08:34] <DaSkreech> BlueFightingCat: if you don't search for anything can you scroll down and see the package build-essential ?
[08:34] <anthronaut> lol Insane
[08:34] <BlueFightingCat> daskreech: nope its not there
[08:35] <Insane`YoGabba> Ok, let's start at step one
[08:35] <Insane`YoGabba> Anybody got a guide for C++ developing on linux?
[08:35] <DaSkreech> BlueFightingCat: 0_o
[08:35] <BluesKaj> BlueFightingCat, are you on a live cd ?
[08:35] <BlueFightingCat> blueskaj: no I installed it
[08:35] <DaSkreech> BlueFightingCat: can you pastebin the file /etc/apt/sources.list ?
[08:35] <DaSkreech> !paste
[08:35] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[08:36] <bsundsrud> BlueFightingCat: go to the adept menu, then to manage repositories
[08:36] <Insane`YoGabba> BlueFightingCat: Try "sudo apt-get install build-essential"??
[08:36] <Insane`YoGabba> No idea though
[08:36] <gnomefreak> Insane`YoGabba: wont work
[08:36] <Insane`YoGabba> gnomefreak, why not?
[08:36] <bsundsrud> BlueFightingCat: are all of the checkboxes under the Kubuntu Sources tab checked?
[08:36] <gnomefreak> Insane`YoGabba: apt-cache doesnt find it
[08:36] <bsundsrud> s/Sources/Software/
[08:37] <BlueFightingCat> bsundsrud: where do I find that tab?
[08:37] <bsundsrud> BlueFightingCat: go to the adept menu, then to manage repositories
[08:37] <tdw-unreality> Hello
[08:38] <BlueFightingCat> bsundsrud: yeah, except "source code" is checked in grey
[08:38] <bsundsrud> ok,  close that screen and press the fetch updates button
[08:38] <tdw-unreality> Where can i change KDE's default mount options for usb devices. I want to remove the noexec option.
[08:39] <BlueFightingCat> bsundsrud: done
[08:39] <bsundsrud> BlueFightingCat: no errors? try searching for build-essential again
[08:40] <DaSkreech> BlueFightingCat: search again
[08:40] <BlueFightingCat> bsundsrud: actually I can't. I am not connect. I have to install a package to get my wlan working.
[08:40] <redshadowhero> are there any good graphing apps?
[08:40] <BluesKaj> oops
[08:40] <BlueFightingCat> essentially what I need to do is install a package called fsam7400 which I managed to download with my other computer
[08:40] <BlueFightingCat> that will get my wlan going
[08:40] <BlueFightingCat> and make thigns easier
[08:41] <bsundsrud> BlueFightingCat: then that would be a major problem.  what this is doing is connecting to the internet to install the build-essential package
[08:41] <BlueFightingCat> how should I go about installing "fsam7400"
[08:41] <msingh> i have no kubuntu-desktop package to install (in plain ubuntu). how should i proceed?
[08:41] <bsundsrud> is it a laptop?
[08:41] <BlueFightingCat> yeah
[08:41] <DaSkreech> msingh: Hmm?
[08:41] <tdw-unreality> Can no one help? :-(
[08:42] <msingh> i would like to install kubuntu stuff
[08:42] <bsundsrud> BlueFightingCat: do you have wired ethernet anywhere that you could plug it in?
[08:42] <BluesKaj> msingh, you have synaptic , right ?
[08:42] <bsundsrud> tdw-unreality: try in #kde... thats more of a KDE question
[08:42] <BlueFightingCat> bsundsrud
[08:42] <BlueFightingCat> yeah I guess I could
[08:42] <BlueFightingCat> give me 5 mintues I'll be back
[08:42] <bsundsrud> BlueFightingCat: that will definitely make things easier
[08:42] <msingh> BluesKaj, i couldnt find anything kde related in stupid synaptic
[08:42] <msingh> there is a Gnome Dekstop category but nothing kde
[08:43] <tdw-unreality> bsundsrud: i will, thanks
[08:43] <bsundsrud> yw
[08:43] <bliss> hi
[08:43] <genii> msingh: open the file /etc/apt/sources.list by:   gksu gedit /etc/apt/sources.list     then remove the # from every line which begins with "deb"     save. Reissue sudo apt-get update. Then try again with   sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[08:43] <Yorokobi> msingh, there is/was kynaptic or similar but synaptic works in KDE just fine
[08:43] <bliss> can someone give me the name of a dvd/cd burner in kde?
[08:44] <Yorokobi> bliss, k3b
[08:44] <Soulwarp> bliss K3b is good
[08:44] <msingh> genii, ok, i'll try that. thanks.
[08:45] <msingh> genii, there are many lines which begin with deb. which one shall i remove?
[08:45] <bliss> Yorokobi: thanks just downloading the live KDE alpha 4.0  hope it will look good
[08:45] <bsundsrud> msingh: only remove the leading #
[08:45] <BluesKaj> genii, couldn't have said it better , myself :)
[08:46] <janet> hi all
[08:46] <msingh> the backports one?
[08:46] <janet> im installing wine from the repos but when i go install winetools from von thadden or soundforge it says your wine version is to old to work with it
[08:46] <genii> msingh: In onmly the lines which begin:   "# deb...."     remove the # so it is only "deb"  at the start. Do this with all lines wich start this way. Leave the ones which have no # at the front
[08:46] <janet> my wine is fresh from the repos 9.04 or so
[08:47] <msingh> genii, ok
[08:47] <soulrider> hello
[08:48] <Soulwarp> :O
[08:49] <BlueFightingCat> ok i managed to download build-essential
[08:49] <TheRealInsane> Can anybody help me get started using c++ with linux?
[08:49] <Yorokobi> heh, Soulwarp : I was scolded by my mom for scalding my sister with hot water
[08:49] <genii> Actually i'm drinking ice tea today and not coffee, but gotta stay in character ;)
[08:49] <janet> anyone have that problem with installing winetools?
[08:50] <soulrider> TheRealInsane: check outt he forums, theres a thread with tons of tutorials
[08:51] <Soulwarp> anyone have trouble with beryl removing the window borders?
[08:51] <genii> msingh: How is it going?
[08:51] <Soulwarp> or is that normal
[08:51] <runlevelten> that's your window manager crashing.
[08:51] <TheRealInsane> soulrider, where would I find the forums?
[08:52] <soulrider> TheRealInsane:  http://ubuntuforums.org
[08:52] <msingh> genii, it is just downloading the packages now
[08:52] <runlevelten> You should use a different one with beryl :)
[08:52] <genii> msingh: OK, so it's on the   sudo apt-get update    part then?
[08:52] <crakatoa> hi
[08:52] <soulrider> the new compiz-fusion works like charm, but i think it depends in a lot of gnome packages
[08:52] <msingh> genii, yes :)
[08:52] <crakatoa> how do I create a ISO image outta a cd?
[08:52] <Soulwarp> KDE doesn't work with Beryl?
[08:52] <crakatoa> thanks
[08:52] <crakatoa> hi
[08:52] <crakatoa> how do I create a ISO image outta a cd?
[08:52] <soulrider> Soulwarp: it does
[08:52] <crakatoa> using K3B?
[08:53] <soulrider> crakatoa: uhm... not sure =/
[08:53] <crakatoa> or whatever Kubuntu has
[08:53] <msingh> genii, actually past that. it is downloading the packages for kubuntu-desktop
[08:53] <crakatoa> I do'nt see make ISO image in K3B options
[08:53] <soulrider> crakatoa: hold on a let, lets google it :P
[08:53] <DaSkreech> crakatoa: dd /dev/hdc ~/My.iso
[08:53] <DaSkreech> wait
[08:53] <crakatoa> DaSkreech: that's it?
[08:54] <genii> msing: Even better. Remember after you get to the login screen, tell it before login that you want a KDE session first
[08:54] <DaSkreech> crakatoa: dd if=/dev/hdc of=~/My.iso
[08:54] <crakatoa> DaSkreech: isn't supposed to be iso FORMAT
[08:54] <soulrider> crakatoa: i think you can select as output a file and not a cd burner
[08:54] <crakatoa> DaSkreech: are you possitive?
[08:54] <genii> msingh: Otherwise it will just bring you back to default gnome    etc etc
[08:54] <msingh> genii, ah okay. will do
[08:55] <DaSkreech> crakatoa: Yeah
[08:55] <crakatoa> oh ok in K3B is simply COPY CD
[08:55] <crakatoa> lol
[08:56] <genii> dd if=/dev/hdX of=~/myfile.iso                where X is the hd#  where the cdrom drive is at.it can also be sdX perhaps
[08:56] <soulrider> genii: probably h
[08:56] <soulrider> genii: it seems to be at /dev/cdrom here
[08:57] <genii> soulrider: Thats usually a symlink to one of the usual types hda hdb sda adb   etc
[08:57] <genii> sdb rather :)
[08:57] <TheRealInsane> soulrider, where in the forums would I find anything c++ related?
[08:57] <TheRealInsane> soulrider, plainly searching for "c++" gave 0 results
[08:57] <soulrider> hero: yeah... but i only have my hds as sdx and there are no hdx
[08:58] <soulrider> TheRealInsane: check out the programmers subforum
[08:58] <soulrider> theres a sticky with tutorials
[08:58] <soulrider> genii: youre right, theres hda and hdb there :)
[08:58] <genii> bah, work. AFK 2-3 minutes
[08:59] <crakatoa> man, should've been RIP cd not Copy cd
[08:59] <DaSkreech> Man I wish I had a job that took up 2-3 mminutes of my day
[08:59] <crakatoa> dammit
[08:59] <DaSkreech> crakatoa: it isn't ripping it. It's copying it
[08:59] <hero> soulrider: hmm?
[09:00] <crakatoa> DaSkreech: ok thanks
[09:02] <TheRealInsane> So I've been Searching the "Programming Talk" forum in the off-topic area, and there are hundreds of questions for all platforms and languages, but no tutorials or anything similar
[09:02] <crakatoa> it removed my image
[09:02] <crakatoa> what the hell
[09:02] <crakatoa> I told you was ripping
[09:02] <crakatoa> copying means ocpying into another CD
[09:03] <combo> - where can i set start-up programms ??
[09:03] <DaSkreech> !autostart
[09:03] <ubotu> To make programs autostart with your KDE session, you can make a link to it in ~/.kde/Autostart. The package 'kcontrol-autostart' makes a kcontrol item for handling items in that directory.
[09:03] <combo> !autostart
[09:04] <DaSkreech> I win :)
[09:04] <combo> DaSkreech: where write this command ? :)
[09:04] <combo> oh , key i see now :P
[09:04] <DaSkreech> combo: read^^^
[09:04] <luca__> hi everyone
[09:04] <combo> DaSkreech: yeap, i saw it too late :)
[09:04] <luca__> I am thinking about installing the suspend2 patches from trevino's repositories for my feisty, as suspend is unreliable on my Dell machine. Is this a bad idea?
[09:05] <DaSkreech> luca__: No idea. Is trevino reliable?
[09:06] <luca__> usually enough. My question however is, if things do not function properly, as we are talking about kernel patches, will I be able to get back to a vanilla installation without too much pain?
[09:07] <DaSkreech> luca__: If it's a repo then the idea is that you should
[09:07] <nikola> hi
[09:07] <sam_> hoi
[09:07] <sam_> hi
[09:07] <nikola> well
[09:08] <nikola>  i have linux a little time
[09:08] <genii> TheRealInsane: You mainly want some tutorial about kdevelop/C++ programming?
[09:08] <nikola> i don`t know how to remove compiz fusion !
[09:08] <sam_> hey anyone knows how to compile a kernel
[09:08] <luca__> ok I guess I will give it a try.
[09:08] <luca__> nikola: it depends on how you installed it in the first place...
[09:09] <TheRealInsane> genii, I know how to program C++ (console app), but I want to learn how to progrma c++ on linux
[09:10] <ubuntu> l
[09:10] <stdin> sam_: why do you want to?
[09:10] <combo> DaSkreech: ubotu's hint was usefull but i mean something else; i have few programms that are launching at start-up and i want shut them down... :]  where can i do it ?
[09:10] <sam_> hey i have an assignment to do it..
[09:11] <luca__> well in kcontrol there is the system service window
[09:11] <arun> combo: kmenu>system settings> advanced>session manager
[09:11] <stdin> sam_: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelCustomBuild
[09:11] <DaSkreech> !kernel
[09:11] <ubotu> kernel is the core of the Ubuntu Operating System (named 'Linux') - see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Kernel.  You shouldn't have to compile one, but if you're convinced you do, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelCustomBuild
[09:11] <DaSkreech> combo: Oh your session
[09:11] <azzurro> hello everybody
[09:12] <DaSkreech> combo: when you logout KDE remembers what was running and starts them when you login
[09:12] <arun> ok i'm outta here
[09:12] <azzurro> i have a problem about dolphin konqueror trash desktop entry trilogy
[09:12] <luca__> you can however tell it to start an empty session if you want to
[09:12] <genii> TheRealInsane: At http://www.functionx.com/cpp/Lesson01.htm  there is a graphical example of how to begin a C++ app in KDevelop (along with some other Windows examples).
[09:13] <azzurro> i cant open my trash can after i installed dolphin
[09:13] <combo> DaSkreech: i see... crap! is there no other way to set programms exactly as i want ? :|
[09:13] <johan__> does anyone have a good guide to get desktop-effects (ie wobbly windows, cube) working in kubuntu??
[09:13] <combo> DaSkreech: some Session Manager like in Ubuntu ? ;>
[09:13] <luca__> and select manually the programs to start using a module for kcontrol (which you have to install) or add them to .kde/Autostart
[09:13] <sam_> thanks ppl will go through it
[09:13] <luca__> well there are many for kde...
[09:14] <DaSkreech> combo: There should be a session manager
[09:14] <stdin> azzurro: what happens when you go to trash:/ ?
[09:14] <DaSkreech>  You can just close all your programs then logout
[09:14] <johan__> luca__ > such as?
[09:14] <nikola> where can i find installation of beryl for kubuntu
[09:14] <nikola> ?
[09:14] <nikola> plz help
[09:14] <azzurro> stdin: when i click it says (appearently trying to open with konqueror) Malformed URL trash:/
[09:14] <combo> DaSkreech: ok, THX anyway :)
[09:15] <Yorokobi> nikola, ask in #ubuntu-effects or read the tutorials on beryl-project.org (check the wiki)
[09:15] <luca__> azzurro it happened to me too
[09:15] <stdin> azzurro: how did you install dolphin?
[09:15] <luca__> do not remember how if ever I fixed it
[09:15] <azzurro> stdin: apt-get install dolphin
[09:15] <luca__> (dolphin is still WAY behind konqueror right now IMHO, at least the 3.5 version, dunno about the 4.x version)
[09:15] <luca__> azzurro that's a bit old
[09:16] <nikola> tnx a lot
[09:16] <azzurro> luca__: but some how u could fix it ,right?
[09:16] <luca__> do not remember
[09:16] <luca__> I switched back to konqueror a while ago now
[09:16] <luca__> johan: a second and I am checking
[09:17] <azzurro> luca__: but luca i cant turn back either
[09:17] <luca__> why not?
[09:17] <azzurro> even if i remove it (no matter with purge or not) it still searches for dolphin
[09:17] <luca__> johan: try kcontrol-autostart
[09:18] <johan__> ok thx
[09:18] <luca__> purge it, than right click on a folder, configuration, and set konqueror as default application on top of the list
[09:18] <luca__> or put konqueror on top and keep dolphin just for :P
[09:19] <luca__> DaSkreech *sigh* rebooting. And hoping that linux gods are smiling on my me and my poor, ill-treated laptop :P
[09:19] <azzurro> luca__: :D u mean konqueror as konsol entry
[09:20] <azzurro> luca__: or with some other parameters
[09:20] <stdin> azzurro: try running "konqueror trash:/" in konsole/the run dialog
[09:20] <runlevelten> dolphin will stay behind konqueror, it seems btw.
[09:20] <luca__> nope, I mean right click on folder, properties, then click the little tool icon, and set konqueror as default application :)
[09:20] <luca__> no konsole hacking :)
[09:21] <luca__> runlevelten: yep, my biggest problem was that they do not have yet implemented any right-click menus
[09:21] <azzurro> luca__:the one that is  under internet in k menu, right?
[09:21] <luca__> no, whatever folder
[09:21] <luca__> one on your desktop, your home folder, whatever
[09:21] <luca__> not a program :)
[09:22] <azzurro> luca__: but i already have just one entry there and that is konqueror
[09:22] <spartan01> do you know what the equivelant command for ipconfig is on the konsole?
[09:22] <azzurro> theres no dolphin
[09:22] <astan> hello. uhm. which package has the standard C library headers?
[09:22] <luca__> oh. and still it asks you for dolphin when you try to open a folder? that's strangeg
[09:22] <azzurro> i think so
[09:23] <luca__> in this case I cannot help you, I would not know where to begin to look :(
[09:23] <luca__> ok rebooting
[09:23] <azzurro> but dont know what to do
[09:23] <luca__> me neither I fear, sorry :(
[09:23] <stdin> astan: libc6
[09:23] <azzurro> luca__:thx any waY
[09:23] <stdin> astan: it's installed
[09:23] <luca__> well, wish me good luck, hope the system will function :P
[09:23] <luca__> see ya
[09:24] <stdin> astan: if you want to compile stuff install the "build-essential" package, that will install all the main things
[09:26] <genii> TheRealInsane: Still here?
[09:26] <nicolai_> Does anyone know how to turn of softclick on a laptop?
[09:26] <thx1137> anyone know of a keyboard shortcut to switch between workspaces?
[09:27] <genii> TheRealInsane: Anyhow, you may find more specific stuff here: http://www.kdevelop.org/index.html?filename=3.4/tutorials.html
[09:27] <stdin> thx1137: ctrl+ one of the F keys
[09:27] <boris__> i have a problem
[09:28] <boris__> can anybody help me
[09:28] <thx1137> stdin: thanks
[09:28] <DaSkreech> !anybody
[09:28] <ubotu> A large amount of the first questions asked in this channel start with "Does anyone/anybody..."  Why not ask your next question (the real one) and find out?
[09:28] <stdin> !ask | boris__
[09:28] <ubotu> boris__: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[09:29] <boris__> i have download video file
[09:29] <paleface> i got a pale face
[09:29] <boris__> but it is .bin
[09:29] <boris__> it size is
[09:29] <boris__> 3546 MB
[09:29] <boris__> how do I open it
[09:29] <BlueFightingCat> hi. can somebody let me know how to find out whether I have "kernel-headers" installed on my system and if not how to install it?
[09:29] <boris__> Allman Brothers Band 9-23-70.bin
[09:29] <boris__> 356 MB
[09:29] <boris__> no
[09:30] <boris__> 3546
[09:30] <stdin> BlueFightingCat: look in Adept
[09:30] <BlueFightingCat> stdin: its not there. or should it be with some other name?
[09:30] <DaSkreech> boris__: are there any instructions on the sitte you got it from?
[09:31] <stdin> boris__: it's probably a VCD image, they usually are in a .bin/.cue pair
[09:31] <boris__> yea it is
[09:31] <stdin> BlueFightingCat: it'll be called "linux-headers-(your-kernel-version)
[09:32] <BlueFightingCat> stdin: ok I have it.
[09:32] <stdin> boris__: you can either install VLC and play it with that
[09:32] <boris__> ok
[09:32] <stdin> boris__: or convert it to an iso, mount it, and play it in another app
[09:33] <boris__> how do i convert
[09:33] <boris__> stdin
[09:33] <stdin> boris__: http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/CD_Image_Conversion
[09:34] <BlueFightingCat> can somebody tell me what the problem is when I try to compile a file using "make" and get the following error: *** no rule to make target
[09:34] <stdin> what are you compiling ?
[09:34] <BlueFightingCat> stdin: a module to make my wlan work. It's called FSAM7400 and stands for Fujitsu-siemens amilo M7400
[09:35] <genii> BlueFightingCat: Try first: ./configure
[09:36] <stdin> if there is a configure, most modules don't have one
[09:36] <BlueFightingCat> genii: no config is not there
[09:36] <stdin> BlueFightingCat: got a link ?
[09:36] <genii> stdin Yes, this is true
[09:37] <BlueFightingCat> stdin: http://linux.zwobbl.de/pub/
[09:38] <stdin> BlueFightingCat: which did you download??
[09:38] <msingh> genii, i've logged into kde. Hopefully i can get WPA working for my wifi card now :)
[09:38] <voln> I have a question about kubuntu, there a kmail aplication, i can't find shortcut of this putting it on my desktop
[09:39] <genii> BlueFightingCat: I'm pretty sure that module has already been included now as standard. Doesn't the command   modprobe -l fsam7400         show it ??
[09:40] <BlueFightingCat> genii: you're right, it seems to be there!
[09:40] <BlueFightingCat> genii: how do you know whether it is running?
[09:40] <stdin> I checked the l-r-m, not the normal ones :p
[09:41] <stdin> BlueFightingCat: try: lsmod | grep fsam
[09:41] <BlueFightingCat> stdin: where can i see if the mod is running or not`?
[09:42] <stdin> BlueFightingCat: just told you
[09:42] <genii> BlueFightingCat: As he said, if the command:    lsmod|grep fsam    show it, you have it loaded
[09:42] <genii> BlueFightingCat: If not there, you can try loading it:  modprobe fsam7400
[09:42] <BlueFightingCat> stdin/genii: I typed it in but nothign turns up
[09:43] <genii> maybe sudo needed there
[09:43] <stdin> BlueFightingCat: have you done "sudo modprobe fsam7400! ?
[09:43] <stdin> BlueFightingCat: opps "sudo modprobe fsam7400" (without the ! )
[09:44] <BlueFightingCat> stdin: i did that. nothing seems to happen
[09:44] <msingh> damn
[09:44] <msingh> !wifi
[09:44] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[09:44] <stdin> BlueFightingCat:  try "lsmod | grep fsam" again
[09:45] <jhutchins> One can use the -v option for modprobe to get more verbose feedback.
[09:45] <BlueFightingCat> yeah i get "fasm7400     5912    0"
[09:45] <stdin> good, worked
[09:45] <BlueFightingCat> ok
[09:45] <BlueFightingCat> thanks
[09:46] <BlueFightingCat> yes thanks guys!!! my WLAN Is not working
[09:46] <BlueFightingCat> great!!!
[09:46] <genii> BlueFightingCat: If this driver works for you and you want to make it permanent, put it in the file /etc/modules
[09:46] <fdoving> be sure to add taht modules to where genii tells you :)
[09:46] <jhutchins> alias wlan0 fsam7400
[09:46] <BlueFightingCat> genii: what exactly do I put there?
[09:47] <genii> BlueFightingCat: Just the name of the module
[09:47] <stdin> heh "<BlueFightingCat> yes thanks guys!!! my WLAN Is not working" I assume you mean "now" :)
[09:47] <fdoving> BlueFightingCat: fsam7400
[09:47] <CensorBard> !mouse
[09:47] <ubotu> Enabling extra mouse buttons: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ManyButtonsMouseHowto  - Enabling serial mouse: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SerialMouseHowto
[09:47] <genii> BlueFightingCat: On one line by itself under the last one listed there :) You need to edit the file with something like kdesu kate /etc/modules      or similar, for write privelege of course
[09:48] <nicolai_> !touchpad
[09:48] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about touchpad - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:48] <BlueFightingCat> thanks guys!
[09:48] <CensorBard> nicolai_: Is it a synaptic touchpad?
[09:49] <CensorBard> nicolai_: Er. Synaptics touchpad, even.
[09:49] <genii> BlueFightingCat:  Glad it got sorted out :)
[09:49] <CensorBard> nicolai_: Regardless, this is probably what you're looking for: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SynapticsTouchpad?highlight=%28synaptic%29
[09:51] <NiceGuyUK> !mount
[09:51] <ubotu> Partitioning programs: !GParted or QTParted (also "man mkfs" for formatting) - Mounting partitions in Kubuntu, go to System Settings -> Advanced Tab -> Disks & Filesystem. See also !fstab and !DiskMounter
[09:51] <NiceGuyUK> !DiskMounter
[09:51] <ubotu> To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions - See also !fuse
[09:52] <NiceGuyUK> ok, anyone able to help me mount my other two drives so that my non-root user can read/write them?
[09:52] <stdin> what filesystem(s)
[09:52] <stdin> ?
[09:52] <NiceGuyUK> ext3
[09:52] <nicolai_> CensorBard: Thanks, but I'm not sure it has a guide for what I'm looking for :/
[09:52] <NiceGuyUK> stdin: I have a paste link with my fstab entries if that helps
[09:53] <nicolai_> CensorBard: I need to turn off softclick on a laptop. By 'softclick' I mean when a quick touch to a touchpad is regisered as a left-click.
[09:53] <stdin> NiceGuyUK: you can either make a directory on the filesystem that is world writable or change the owner of the FS
[09:53] <stdin> NiceGuyUK: you can't do it by fatab/mount
[09:54] <NiceGuyUK> stdin: two mountpoints in /mnt have user owner and group until I mount, then it changes them to root ownership and group
[09:54] <CensorBard> nicolai_: Ooh, yeah. No, it's not in there. That one just is purely configuring Linux to recognize the bloody thing in the first place.
[09:54] <CensorBard> Hang on. Rebooting X.
[09:55] <stdin> NiceGuyUK: yes, that's because it then takes the permissions of the filesyetem, you can't change the permissions of the filesystem unless it's mounted
[09:55] <NiceGuyUK> I'm sure there's some fstab thing like umask=0222 or something I seem to recall
[09:55] <stdin> NiceGuyUK: nope, won't work with ext3, as permissions are stored on the fs itself
[09:56] <NiceGuyUK> so create a world-writeable subdir on that drive as root for users to use as a top-level ?
[09:57] <stdin> NiceGuyUK: yes, or change the permission of the filesystem while it's mounted
[09:57] <stdin> nicolai_: do you have a synaptics section in xorg.conf ?
[09:57] <NiceGuyUK> stdin: sorry to be dim tonight - so mount to /mnt whatever, then chmod and chgrp /mnt/whatever afterwards ?
[09:58] <stdin> NiceGuyUK: chown user:group /mnt/whatever would be easier, but yeah
[09:58] <NiceGuyUK> great, thanks for the heads-up
[09:59] <nicolai_> stdin: This is my stationary computer, so I wouldn't think so, but the touchpad works on the laptop.
[09:59] <guerillapimp> hey
[09:59] <stdin> nicolai_: well the touchpad is configured in there, see "man synaptics" in konsole or "man:/synaptics" in konqueror
[09:59] <luca> DaSkreech: those packages were a bit harmful and worsened the suspension problem. I love synaptic and his 'change package version' feature :D
[09:59] <nicolai_> stdin: It's my fathers laptop I need configured, and he was using it when I last saw him :P
[10:00] <nicolai_> stdin: ok
[10:00] <DaSkreech> luca: :-)
[10:00] <MarcC> how do I unmount a samba share I mounted with the mount command? It's giving me all sorts of grief
[10:00] <stdin> MarcC: with the "umount" command, "umount /place/you/mounted/it"
[10:01] <stdin> MarcC: and that is "umount" not "unmount"
[10:01] <NiceGuyUK> stdin: works great now, many thanks
[10:01] <stdin> NiceGuyUK: no problem :)
[10:01] <MarcC> stdin: thanks!
[10:01] <stdin> :)
[10:04] <genii> !helpersnack | stdin
[10:04] <ubotu> stdin: Wow! You're such a great helper, you deserve a cookie!
[10:04] <stdin> genii: maybe we should change that to "Wow! You're such a great helper, you deserve a coffee!" :p
[10:05] <prisca_> anyone running kde4?
[10:05] <Tomi-idle> i would if it'd have a working taskbar <.<
[10:05] <stdin> maybe when it's usable
[10:05] <nicolai_> stdin: I'll make you coffee provided you live nearby :P
[10:05] <genii> stdin: Cookies are better, everyone likes a cookie. some ppl hate coffee however
[10:06] <stdin> nicolai_: UK
[10:06] <stdin> genii: how about, a cookie and some coffee, then they can take it or leave it
[10:06] <nicolai_> stdin: DK for me..
[10:06] <TheRealInsane> So yeah, how do you run programs as root again?
[10:06] <nicolai_> stdin: You probably wont need it by the time I get there
[10:06] <genii> stdin: Heh, I'm all for it
[10:07] <stdin> TheRealInsane: sudo for command line apps, kdesu for GUI apps
[10:07] <TheRealInsane> Thanks
[10:07] <stdin> sadmin24: away messages are messy
[10:07] <sito> who put it kde4 in kubuntu gusty gibon?
[10:08] <stdin> sito: well Riddell made the packages, gutsy questions in #ubuntu+1
[10:08] <sito> oks thanks
[10:08] <stdin> sito: or for the KDE specific questions #kubuntu-devel
[10:08] <stdin> !away > sadmin24
[10:10] <DaSkreech> prisca_: Why?
[10:12] <nikola>  #kubuntu-effects
[10:13] <stdin> nikola: huh?
[10:13] <nikola> ?
[10:13] <stdin> what's with #kubuntu-effects?
[10:14] <nikola> nothing
[10:14] <stdin> that's not even a channe;
[10:14] <nikola> i can` t find how  to install beryl on kubuntu
[10:14] <nikola> yes i know
[10:14] <paleface> here is how u install beryl on kubuntu
[10:15] <paleface> you ready nikola?
[10:15] <nikola> aham
[10:15] <paleface> "sudo apt-get install beryl beryl-manager"
[10:15] <paleface> !find emerald
[10:15] <ubotu> Found: emerald, emerald-themes, libemeraldengine-dev, libemeraldengine0, xemeraldia
[10:15] <nikola> hey
[10:15] <paleface> "sudo apt-get install beryl beryl-manager emerald emerald-themes"
[10:15] <paleface> there, right above ^
[10:16] <nikola> hey
[10:16] <paleface> hi
[10:16] <nikola> but i must get update
[10:16] <nikola> and than sudo apt-get install beryl beryl-manager emerald emerald-themes
[10:17] <paleface> true
[10:17] <prisca_> i just installed kde4-dev and configured kdm to show kde4 in the list but when i choose it and login  i get kicked back to login screen
[10:18] <stdin> prisca_: make sure you put the 3 (or 4) lines in the startkde file that the guide tells you
[10:18] <BlueFightingCat> hi. I am using Kate to edit a file. however I can't save it because I am not in root
[10:18] <BlueFightingCat> how can I fix this?
[10:18] <stdin> prisca_: also ask about that in #kubuntu-devel
[10:19] <TurtleBoots> hi all
[10:19] <genii> BlueFightingCat: kdesu kate /path/filename
[10:19] <stdin> BlueFightingCat: you have to open it as root, "kdesu kate"
[10:19] <nikola> paleface
[10:19] <nicolai_> BlueFightingCat: save the content then open as root
[10:19] <nikola> ?
[10:20] <TurtleBoots> has anyone seen problems with ktorrent dying/crashing after lengthy periods of time?
[10:20] <stdin> TurtleBoots: I think it's a known but, you need to disable dht
[10:20] <Jahmon> yeah i got my wifi to work :)
[10:20] <Jahmon> its tenen btw stdin
[10:20] <Jahmon> ta for all the help earlier today
[10:20] <TurtleBoots> stdin - will this resolve the issue you think?
[10:20] <Jahmon> it was a dodgy install
[10:20] <paleface> what?
[10:20] <paleface> that makes no sense
[10:21] <stdin> TurtleBoots: yes, did for me
[10:21] <stdin> Jahmon: :)
[10:21] <Jahmon> can anyone tell me how that ntfs thing works
[10:21] <TurtleBoots> stdin - thanks I'll give that a try
[10:21] <Jahmon> where i can write to ntfs protected drives
[10:21] <Jahmon> i downloaded it with adept manager but i forgot what its called
[10:21] <Jahmon> how do i run it etc
[10:22] <nicolai_> Jahmon: it is called ntfs-config
[10:22] <stdin> Jahmon: when you mount it, you change "ntfs" to "ntfs-3g", either in fstab or in the mount command
[10:22] <TurtleBoots> stdin - is there any other settings that might need changed?
[10:22] <stdin> TurtleBoots: no, after I disabled that it stopped crashing
[10:22] <Jahmon> stdin so what would a command be if i wanted to mount hda1
[10:22] <nicolai_> Jahmon: you can run the program by typing kdesu ntfs-config
[10:22] <Jahmon> is their a gui?
[10:22] <TurtleBoots> stdin - here's hoping then :-) Thanks
[10:23] <Jahmon> its telling me command not found
[10:23] <Jahmon> but i know i installed it
[10:23] <Jahmon> kedusu dont work
[10:23] <Jahmon> gonna sudo
[10:23] <stdin> Jahmon: you can use System Settings -> Advanced tab -> Disk & Filesystems
[10:23] <nicolai_> Jahmon: kedusu should be kdesu :P
[10:23] <Jahmon> ntfs-config: not found
[10:23] <Jahmon> snore i installed it earlier
[10:23] <Jahmon> will retry
[10:24] <Jahmon> i noticed something cool
[10:24] <Jahmon> on my win xp install i just tried to skype some1
[10:24] <nicolai_> Jahmon: was that before or after the reinstall?
[10:24] <Jahmon> it lagged on talking etc huge delay
[10:24] <Jahmon> on my kubuntu install 100% no lag :)
[10:25] <stdin> Jahmon: you probably installed ntfs-3g, but may not have installed the separate package "ntfs-config"
[10:25] <Jahmon> i did it after but im gonna check if it installed im not sure caus i had to go to work
[10:25] <Jahmon> ahh i did 3g
[10:25] <Jahmon> ur right
[10:25] <Jahmon> so i must install ntfs-config
[10:25] <stdin> yep
[10:25] <Jahmon> ahh k wasnt installed ta :)
[10:26] <Jahmon> how do you guys know how to install shit without gui
[10:26] <Jahmon> so many libraries etc that kubuntu doesnt have by default
[10:26] <stdin> watch the language there, this is a family channel
[10:26] <Jahmon> ok why when i install ntfs-config does a skype end user agreement popup
[10:27] <stdin> probably because you didn't accept it before
[10:28] <Jahmon> i did but it keeps bombing when i do
[10:28] <Jahmon> skype is installed and working
[10:28] <Jahmon> but licence wont pickup
[10:28] <Jahmon> it wont accept user agreement
[10:28] <Jahmon> it fails
[10:28] <nicolai_> Jahmon: you have to scroll down to the bottom of the user agreement
[10:30] <icewolf>  hi, im trying to patch my wireless driver, chipset zd1211. On the aircrack-ng wiki it says there's a directory /usr/sr/linux yet i only see /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.20-16 and /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.20-16. In which directory should i apply the patch?
[10:31] <stdin> icewolf: the one that matches your kernel version, use "uname -r" to see
[10:31] <paleface> !find komba
[10:31] <ubotu> Found: komba2
[10:32] <jhutchins> How do I force an fsck on reboot for an ext3 partition?
[10:33] <Jahmon> ntfs config says my windows drives unclean - does that mean i need to restart and chkdsk em?
[10:33] <icewolf> so /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.20-16-generic would be correct eventhough on the wiki it says /usr/src/linux/ ?
[10:33] <stdin> jhutchins: "sudo shutdown -r -F now" should do it
[10:33] <jhutchins> n'mind, got it from ubotu.  Yeah, that's it.
[10:34] <stdin> icewolf: /usr/src/linux is always just a link to the most recent version of the headers
[10:34] <icewolf> ok
[10:34] <icewolf> thx for clearing that up
[10:34] <stdin> Jahmon: that's probably the best thing to do
[10:35] <Jahmon> is wine worth the download?
[10:35] <Jahmon> like can it play games and ween me off windows? as thats all i use windows for now game support
[10:36] <CensorBard> jahmon: Yes and no.
[10:37] <Jahmon> explain censor
[10:37] <stdin> Jahmon: some things will work in wine, some wont. It even depends on the version you get. don't expect everything to just work, you'll probably need to configure it several times
[10:37] <CensorBard> jahmon: There is a fork of Wine that has evolved into its own creature, called Cedega. It's *not* free, unless you compile it yourself. It is a specialized form of Wine for DX9-based games.
[10:37] <Jahmon> so would warcraft 3 work
[10:37] <Jahmon> or is it a pain to get to work
[10:37] <stdin> depends
[10:38] <jhutchins> Jahmon: The thing to do is to go to the wine home page and look it up.
[10:38] <stdin> it may or may not
[10:38] <Jahmon> well im gonna dl it and check
[10:38] <Jahmon> if i can get it to work yaya
[10:38] <jhutchins> Jahmon: http://winehq.org/
[10:38] <stdin> Jahmon: www.winehq.org is the wine homepage
[10:39] <stdin> Jahmon: or just go to http://appdb.winehq.org/
[10:39] <v00d00> hey :D
[10:39] <v00d00> /whois
[10:39] <Jahmon> snore my windows drives arent working now
[10:40] <v00d00> how do i get nvidia driver ?
[10:40] <Jahmon> how do i get em to work ntfs config moaned that they werent "clean"
[10:40] <Jahmon> how do i clean them - chkdsk or ?
[10:40] <stdin> !nvidia | v00d00
[10:40] <ubotu> v00d00: To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[10:40] <jhutchins> Jahmon: http://frankscorner.org/index.php?p=warcraft3
[10:40] <stdin> Jahmon: you have to get windows to check the disk
[10:41] <Jahmon> so i run chkdsk from windows?
[10:41] <parsnip> hi all
[10:41] <stdin> if that works on your version of windows, I know it doesn't with XP
[10:42] <v00d00> There is some way to run counter-strike without the performance issue ?
[10:42] <parsnip> hI have a query about easyUbuntu
[10:42] <v00d00> I heard that you have 60% of your fps low than in XP
[10:43] <parsnip> does it just sit there doing its thing for a bit or should there be a progress bar
[10:43] <stdin> !easyubuntu | parsnip
[10:43] <ubotu> parsnip: easyubuntu is a script that automates installation of some items. Use at your own risk. See http://easyubuntu.freecontrib.org/ - For help and or discussions about EasyUbuntu please join #easyubuntu
[10:46] <nicolai_> v00d00: It would probably depend on the version of Wine used
[10:46] <DaSkreech> What's the deal with ubuntu  home server?
[10:47] <Karti> Any Kontact experts here (the #kontact channel is dead) I have tarballed my ~/.kde/share/apps/kmail/mail and I normally recover from that but this time its not picked up my folders yets I can see them when it untars - any ideas
[10:47] <v00d00> nicolai_
[10:48] <v00d00> you have any idea which is the best ?
[10:48] <stdin> Karti: I think the folders are stored in the config file .kde/share/config/kmailrc
[10:48] <nicolai_> v00d00: I just use the newest. But I run Heroes V on it, not Counter-strike
[10:49] <Karti> stdin: sorry I should have mentioned I copied that accross as well
[10:49] <v00d00> ;)
[10:49] <stdin> Karti: then I wouldn't know :p I don't use kmail but the people in #kde probably do :)
[10:49] <CensorBard> +startup
[10:49] <CensorBard> !startup
[10:49] <ubotu> To add programs to start up when you log into your Gnome session go to System>Preferences>Sessions and use the Startup Programs tab. For more information, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AddingProgramToSessionStartup - See !boot for starting non-interactive programs at boot
[10:50] <nicolai_> v00d00: Heroes of Might and Magic V runs faster in Linux than it did in Windows for me...
[10:50] <Karti> stdin: Many thanks I'll have a quick post there
[10:50] <v00d00> of course
[10:50] <v00d00> :)
[10:50] <v00d00> windows is crap
[10:51] <ward_> good afternoon all
[10:51] <CensorBard> Doh. Is Kubuntu the red-headed stepchild of the Ubuntu family, or something?
[10:51] <ward_> I dpnm
[10:51] <nicolai_> v00d00: If you want to try the newest version of wine, the instructions for downloading it are here: http://www.winehq.org/site/download-deb
[10:51] <stdin> CensorBard: read the code of condict before posting things like that
[10:52] <v00d00> thanks..
[10:52] <nicolai_> stdin: I wouldn't exactly call that foul language :p
[10:52] <v00d00> can't get the mp3 played :O
[10:52] <ward_> who was censored?
[10:52] <alesan> what is the password of the kubuntu user on the livecd? I would like to login on the livecd
[10:53] <stdin> nicolai_: nither would I, but that doesn't make a comment like that OK
[10:53] <DaSkreech> !autostart | CensorBard
[10:53] <ubotu> CensorBard: To make programs autostart with your KDE session, you can make a link to it in ~/.kde/Autostart. The package 'kcontrol-autostart' makes a kcontrol item for handling items in that directory.
[10:53] <parsnip> alesan: there isnt one, run passwd at the konsole to set it
[10:53] <stdin> alesan: there isn't a password for it, the user on the CD is "ubuntu"
[10:54] <nicolai_> v00d00: You would need to install libxine-extracodecs
[10:54] <alesan> stdin, I am at KDM screen. I have to insert user and pwd.
[10:54] <stdin> alesan: you don't login to the livecd, you are automatically logged in
[10:55] <stdin> alesan: there is no password for the user, it's disabled like roots
[10:55] <mrksbrd> guess what i need help again......i'm trying to install gphoto2, i'm in the directory, but can't get any further
[10:55] <nicolai_> stdin: if the live-cd crashes, it might decide to require login. I tried that once on a computer with corrupted RAM
[10:55] <DaSkreech> Does the KDM on the live cd have autologin?
[10:55] <CensorBard> stdin: My apologies. I didn't think it would be offensive. And thank you.
[10:55] <Tomi-idle> yes
[10:55] <stdin> nicolai_: nope, once kdm crashes it causes a shutdown
[10:55] <Tomi-idle> kdm has autologin on kubuntu on live
[10:56] <mrksbrd> what is the command i need to use????????/
[10:56] <DaSkreech> mrksbrd: You are in the directory?
[10:56] <DaSkreech> Why are you installing gphoto2?
[10:56] <stdin> CensorBard: it's just that there *may* be a "red-headed step child" in the room, and they may not take it as a joke
[10:56] <parsnip> mrksbrd: what do you want to achieve?
[10:57] <mrksbrd> install gphoto2
[10:57] <stdin> mrksbrd: it's in the repositories
[10:57] <stdin> !info gphoto2
[10:57] <ubotu> gphoto2: The gphoto2 digital camera command-line client. In component universe, is extra. Version 2.2.0-3 (feisty), package size 182 kB, installed size 928 kB
[10:57] <mrksbrd> i heard it was the bst prog for digital photo'
[10:57] <parsnip> sudo apt-get install gphoto2
[10:57] <parsnip> after sudo apt-get update
[10:58] <stdin> parsnip: you don't have to do an update before every install
[10:58] <mrksbrd> any better gui based anyone may know of for digital photography?
[10:59] <parsnip> stdin: It just makes sure you are updated, I dont know when he last updated (if ever). Just covers my back :)
[11:00] <stdin> parsnip: it defaults to update daily
[11:00] <Riddell> ** kubuntu meeting in #ubuntu-meeting
[11:00] <DaSkreech> mrksbrd: You may want to try out digikam
[11:00] <parsnip> stdin: good point but i just like to be sure and it takes a second
[11:00] <parsnip> stdin: but i can see your point
[11:01] <mrksbrd> what i'm really looking for is a prog similar to photoshop
[11:01] <parsnip> mrksbrd: sudo apt-get install gimp
[11:01] <parsnip> !gimp
[11:01] <ubotu> gimp is an advanced image manipulation application for Ubuntu. See http://www.gimp.org for tutorials and more information.
[11:02] <mrksbrd> ok
[11:03] <mrksbrd> ty all once again
[11:03] <parsnip> mrksbrd: no worries man
[11:06] <DaSkreech> !info krita
[11:06] <ubotu> krita: a pixel-based image manipulation program for the KDE Office Suite. In component main, is optional. Version 1:1.6.2-0ubuntu1 (feisty), package size 3043 kB, installed size 9412 kB
[11:07] <Jahmon> why would my sound device just say - problem with sound device (whilst using skype)
[11:07] <Jahmon> only thing i did was install gnash
[11:07] <Jahmon> while someone was waiting to call me
[11:08] <parsnip> !gnash
[11:08] <ubotu> An open source flash replacement.  It is still beta software. For current status or for more info http://www.gnu.org/software/gnash/
[11:09] <msingh> wow that's a terrible name for a program
[11:09] <Jahmon> man how did gnash break my skype
[11:09] <Jahmon> my audio device has stopped working
[11:10] <JagerX> is it possible to stop knetworkmanager from askin me for my passwd when i log on?
[11:11] <Jahmon> why whould my audio mic stop working when i installed flash
[11:11] <Jahmon> someoen explai nthat
[11:12] <stdin> Jahmon: it could be, if you have a flash page open, that it's using the sound card and locking it
[11:12] <Jahmon> nothing is open
[11:13] <Jahmon> how can i reset my audio drivers
[11:14] <mrksbrd> can us use the command .....sudo apt-get install ******** for limewire, or does this have to be a manual d/l install?????
[11:15] <mrksbrd> when i try it tells me cannot find file
[11:15] <Goliath23> hi
[11:16] <Goliath23> my adept_manager shows the old way of managing repositories (not the dialog with checkboxes to enable certain sources). why is that? I'm running feisty and upgrade and dist-upgrade say they have no new updates, still, my adept_manager seems to be an older version.
[11:18] <Goliath23> (version is: 2.1 Cruiser (KDE 3.5.7))
[11:19] <deadsprayer> wordt er hier wel gepraat? :P
[11:19] <mrksbrd> what is the "nmh"???
[11:20] <deadsprayer> its quiet over here
[11:20] <v00d00> synaptic package manager in kubuntu
[11:20] <v00d00> where is this ?
[11:20] <stdin> v00d00: Adept
[11:20] <v00d00> thanks!
[11:21] <deadsprayer> arent those 2 different things?
[11:21] <deadsprayer> 2 packet managers?
[11:21] <stdin> I interprated that as "what is the equivalent of synaptic in kubuntu"
[11:22] <deadsprayer> ah k srry im new to this ;)
[11:22] <v00d00> What is the best ICQ client here :) ?
[11:23] <stdin> kopete probably
[11:23] <v00d00> don't like it ;o
[11:23] <stdin> (tho I don't use ICQ)
[11:23] <v00d00> thanks anyway ;)
[11:23] <Redbluefire> Apologies if this is an obvious question, but what should I do when my kubuntu CD freezes at 7% when loading the linux kernel
[11:23] <deadsprayer> i use   smsn
[11:23] <v00d00> smsn ?
[11:23] <v00d00> it has the original functions ?
[11:23] <deadsprayer> srry typo amsn
[11:23] <stdin> v00d00: search adept for "icq"
[11:24] <v00d00> k thanks
[11:27] <nicolai_> Redbluefire: It might still be installing.
[11:27] <Redbluefire> nicolai_, it eventually gives me a cd read error, and asks me to reboot
[11:27] <nicolai_> Redbluefire: Or do you mean while it is starting?
[11:27] <nicolai_> Redbluefire: ahh
[11:28] <Redbluefire> right after the initial screen, the one with memory check, check cd for defects, etc
[11:29] <nicolai_> Redbluefire: it might be a scratched cd
[11:29] <astan> stdin: thanks for answering my "where's the headers" question, some friends just walked through the door and i didn't have time to reply (they should really learn to knock!).
[11:29] <dieff> hi there. I'm new at using kubuntu and my english isn't that good ^^ so is there a german IRC-Channel avaible?
[11:29] <Redbluefire> I'll try another CD then, before bugging you guys :P
[11:29] <stdin> astan: heh, no problem
[11:30] <TheRealInsane> Can anybody refer me to a good free audio studio/midi composer or similar, perferrably in the kubuntu universe
[11:30] <TheRealInsane> Or whatever you call those apt-gettable things
[11:32] <stdin> most would either use audacity or jokosher
[11:32] <stdin> TheRealInsane: ^
[11:33] <prisca> TheRealInsane rosegarden
[11:34] <DaSkreech> !limewire
[11:34] <ubotu> limewire is a popular P2P client running on the Gnutella network. To get it running, install !java first, then download Limewire from http://www.limewire.com/LimeWireSoftOther and finally run runLime.sh. Consider !FrostWire as an alternative.
[11:35] <astan> stdin: do you happen to also know which package has the man pages for the standard C library functions?
[11:35] <DaSkreech> !de
[11:35] <v00d00> !nvidia
[11:35] <v00d00> ;( :)
[11:35] <ubotu> Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[11:35] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[11:36] <stdin> astan: the development files or the libs?
[11:36] <DaSkreech> dieff: ^^^
[11:36] <astan> stdin: no i mean the manual pages, e.g. i want to do "man 3 printf".
[11:37] <dieff> ahh ty DaSkreech ^^
[11:37] <astan> poor coder as i am, i can't live without the manual pages :)
[11:37] <stdin> astan: manpages-dev it seems
[11:38] <v00d00> Somebody got Ventrilo working on WINE ?
[11:38] <stdin> v00d00: there is a wine channel #winehq
[11:38] <v00d00> oh sorry
[11:39] <astan> stdin: thanks a lot, how did you find that out by the way? any way i could search for file names and get the package name? e.g. search for "printf.3.gz" or something?
[11:39] <stdin> astan: I just did a search on packages.ubuntu.com for any file called "printf.3.gz" and got <http://packages.ubuntu.com/cgi-bin/search_contents.pl?word=printf.3.gz&searchmode=searchfiles&case=insensitive&version=feisty&arch=i386>
[11:39] <stdin> astan: I knew you'd ask :)
[11:39] <astan> ;)
[11:39] <astan> now i won't have to ask ever again ;)
[11:40] <genii> DaSkreech: Heh :) I'm at work #2 now, back on the coffee. You can have the iced tea LOL
[11:40] <vzduch> hrhr
[11:40] <DaSkreech> genii: honestly I don't like either but if you have one I'll have the other
[11:41] <genii> That works fer me
[11:44] <vzduch> since the unusually warm spring it's been rather cool here.. BluesKaj: what's the temperature over there?
[11:45] <BluesKaj> I'd consider AC for the house , but for a few days/yr over 30C it's not worth it ..it's 33 right now vzduch
[11:46] <vzduch> 33 is hot, but not yet too hot.. it's too hot if you have 2 or 3 weeks 37C like we had here in 2003..
[11:46] <BluesKaj> it's 28 in the house , so it's bearable
[11:47] <BluesKaj> vzduch, yuk, that's too hot
[11:47] <nicolai_> Or the 40+ degrees they have had in Greece for a while this year
[11:47] <BluesKaj> nuts
[11:48] <vzduch> nicolai_: it's still f***ing hot in Southern Europe
[11:49] <genii> The city ppl came by today and fined us for our AC being at 20 degrees instead of 26
[11:49] <vzduch> o0
[11:49] <vzduch> what do the city ppl have to do w/ your AC temperature?
[11:49] <nicolai_> For using too much electricity?
[11:50] <genii> nicolai_: Yes
[11:50] <vzduch> even that should be at everybody's own discretion
[11:50] <BluesKaj> is that cooling water pipeline into lake ontario being built yet , genii ?
[11:50] <nicolai_> Somewhat understandable, but still...
[11:50] <vzduch> it's not their bill, is it? :D
[11:50] <genii> BluesKaj: I walk by where they are supposed to be working on it, looks like not much progress
[11:51] <BluesKaj> good idea tho
[11:51] <genii> vzduch: It's because we are almost over the peak amt of electricity the system can put out without having rolling blackouts
[11:52] <BluesKaj> aslong as the energy used by the pumps doesn't cost more than regular AC systems :)
[11:52] <BluesKaj> hehe, too hot :)
[11:52] <nicolai_> genii: Do people normally use Air conditioning where you live? I've never seen one outside of stores
[11:53] <nicolai_> genii: Noone is asking for help :P
[11:54] <genii> nicolai_: There is not one where I live, but where I work we have a big industrial type thing
[11:54] <pjesi> hi guys, I am trying to debug my output in skype, is there any included tool which I can try the mic?
[11:54] <stdin> umm
[11:54] <stdin> !offtopic | genii, BluesKaj, vzduch, nicolai_; happy now :p
[11:54] <ubotu> genii, BluesKaj, vzduch, nicolai_; happy now :p: #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[11:54] <genii> stdin: LOL yeah now I don't feel so bad
[11:54] <CensorBard> !ctrl+f4
[11:54] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ctrl+f4 - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:55] <BluesKaj> nicolai_, Toronto can be very stifling and hot in the summer, despite Canada's reputation for being a cold country.
[11:55] <vzduch> my perception is that there's 2 general problems w/ energy supply in North America.. (1) consumption is generally too high, at least much higher than on average in Europe, (2) the electricity networks are built in a way that a minor flaw in the line can easily mean power outage for entire cities
[11:55] <vzduch> stdin: no :P
[11:55] <stdin> pjesi: i think krec is installed by default
[11:56] <genii> My outside thermometer said 36 Celcius. Radio said with humidity 42 C
[11:56] <alesan> vzduch, where are you from?
[11:57] <pjesi> stdin: nope, but I will give it a go
[11:57] <vzduch> alesan: Germany
[11:57] <pjesi> skype worked out of the box on 6.06, but the mic is completely dead on 6.10
[11:57] <vzduch> pjesi: no problems here on 7.04
[11:57] <alesan> vzduch, come on in germany you use electric cocking plates :) instead of the more efficient gas
[11:57] <alesan> ok but this is way OT sorry
[11:57] <BluesKaj> my kitchen window (facing NE) thermometer reads 32 now ... oh begining to cool :)
[11:58] <vzduch> alesan: cocking plates? o0
[11:58] <pjesi> sorry I meant 6.10 fine, 7.04 not good
[11:58] <nicolai_> vzduch: didn't we also have large power-outs in Europe not so many years ago?
[11:59] <alesan> vzduch, well I mean the thing where you prepare food
[11:59] <alesan> how do you call it normally it's over the oven
[11:59] <stdin> pjesi: check the levels in kmix/alsamixer
[11:59] <vzduch> nicolai_: there was one going through half of Europe a year ago or so, yes.. but that was a human error (and I was not affected ;))
[11:59] <pjesi> stdin: that is what I have been trying
[12:00] <alesan> few years ago ALL Italy (but not sardinia iirc) had a power failure because a falling tree damaged one power connection to switzerland.
[12:00] <vzduch> pjesi: did you set the 'Mix' switch in KMix?
[12:01] <vzduch> alesan: well, if energy is imported and a main line is affected, that's another story
[12:01] <pjesi> vzduch: it is set to red
[12:02] <alesan> maybe america's network is not perfect, but also europe's far from ideal
[12:02] <vzduch> pjesi: it's always red.. click on it and see if it changes.. got to be bright, if it's dark it's off
[12:02] <alesan> until those green people block the contrsuciton of new (nuclear maybe) powerplants
[12:04] <pjesi> vzduch: it might have done the trick
[12:04] <BluesKaj> yeah pjesi, agreed the kmix setup is a bit silly ...it could be much more straight forward
[12:05] <jhutchins_lt> I don't think the buttons and their lables are up to kmix, I think that's a function of the driver and the chipset.
[12:05] <vzduch> I guess so too.. it's different for either of my 2 soundcards
[12:05] <jhutchins_lt> I suppose if you had the Fine Shiny Manual it might explain the options.
[12:07] <genii> I don't even usually bother with sound whether the system actually has it or not LOL
[12:07] <pjesi> does krec start recording when it starts?
[12:07] <genii> I'll have the radio playing normally if I need to listen to something
[12:07] <BluesKaj> gotta have sound
[12:08] <pjesi> I guess not, the recording button is grey
[12:08] <genii> vzduch Yeah I think I have one of those. It takes some emu10k driver
[12:08] <vzduch> emu10k1 in my case
[12:09] <BluesKaj> running the pc spdif out to the HT receiver in the tv room
[12:12] <DaSkreech> !sound
[12:12] <ubotu> If you're having problems with sound, first ensure ARTS is running, by going to K Menu -> System Settings -> Sound System and making sure "Enable the sound system" is checked. If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP3