[12:33] <Happu> shouldn't the emerald theme manager to work with compiz?
[12:35] <RAOF> Yes; if you're using the offical emerald package and the official compiz package and are using Emerald as your decorator
[12:49] <bob_sinclair> E: Couldn't find package linux-headers-2.6.22-8-386
[12:49] <bob_sinclair> no headers available for the kernel?
[12:50] <gnomefreak> bob_sinclair: did you try looking for -9 headers? maybe -8 was removed from cache
[12:50] <bob_sinclair> oh they are there, but not suffixed by `uname -r`
[12:51] <bob_sinclair> need to download linux-headers-2.6.22-8 or *-generic
[12:55] <databuddy> hey this is roughly elquivalent to debian sid right?
[12:55] <RAOF> Kinda
[12:55] <databuddy> kay
[12:55] <databuddy> getting kvirc from site
[12:55] <bob_sinclair> basically i need help installing vpnclient
[12:55] <databuddy> dont really feel like compiling
[12:55] <bob_sinclair> i don't know where to point the install to get the linux source/headers
[12:56] <RAOF> databuddy: Don't expect a Sid deb to install cleanly or work on Ubuntu, though.
[12:56] <databuddy> RAOF: its already broken :P
[12:57] <RAOF> Debian have different versions of stuff, and it's probably built against a libc with a different ABI
[12:57] <databuddy> o bah
[12:57] <databuddy> they dont have a 64bit .deb anyway.
[12:58] <databuddy> compile it is!!!
[01:40] <pwnguin> does anyone know of a bluetooth compatibility list for linux?
[01:47] <techII> ok the recent kernel update broke ndiswrapper, it shows up in the output of ifconfig, but I can't get a list of networks
[01:48] <coNP> can someone on kubuntu confirm if bug 56163 still holds?
[01:48] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 56163 in linux-source-2.6.15 "Ubuntu 6.06 looses ADSL-connection when USB-stick used" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/56163
[01:48] <coNP> oops... bug 56136
[01:48] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 56136 in xchat "[WishList]  Xchat default in Kubuntu instead of Xchat-gnome" [Wishlist,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/56136
[01:58] <databuddy> !java
[01:58] <ubotu> To install a Java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java - For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the !Multiverse repository. Enable the backports repository on Edgy to install sun-java6-jre
[02:13] <techII> ok, i seem to be having the issue described by bug #118448
[02:13] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 118448 in ndiswrapper "[gutsy]  can't reach wifi with kernel 2.6.22" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/118448
[02:14] <DanaG> hmm, a completely unrelated issue, that I'm having:     https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/41427
[02:14] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 41427 in Ubuntu ""slow keys" can turn on surreptitiously & cause confusion." [Medium,Incomplete] 
[02:14] <DanaG> I'd call that HIGH, not Medium.
[02:42] <vlowther> hmmm... .me just swapped network cards -- anyone else having NM fail to associate on an ipw3945 to an open network unless the kill switch is toggled off and back on?
[02:43] <vlowther> an atheros-based card works fine
[02:44] <vlowther> but it also throws NMI errors on occasion, which Vista does not like at all. :(
[02:44] <DanaG> NMI?
[02:44] <DanaG> aND what about Vista?
[02:45] <DanaG> (I deleted my Vista partition due to severe brokenness and severe hard-drive-space shortage.)
[02:46] <vlowther> NMI == non-maskable interrupt
[02:47] <vlowther> which Linux more or less ignores, but vista dies a horrible screaming death upon getting
[02:47] <vlowther> (the NMI does not cause any problems other than killing Vista)
[02:48] <vlowther> (NMI on the Atheros card, btw)
[02:50] <Toxicity999> Read useful responses on a forum?! You're nuts.
[02:50] <RAOF> "Let's make a driver manager!"
[02:51] <vlowther> ah-ha -- it is actually a known issue.
[02:51] <vlowther> teach be to not check bugs.launchpad.net first. :)
[02:51] <RAOF> vlowther: Oh, yeah.  I knew that.  I thought you'd already checked :)
[02:52] <vlowther> nah -- decided to launch pidgin before firefox today, and figured 'what the heck'...
[02:53] <vlowther> time to add another repro report to the bug, it seems.
[02:53] <RAOF> Can you add any useful information?
[02:53] <RAOF> That's not already there?
[02:55] <RAOF> vlowther: You could always try the iwl3945 driver, actually.
[02:56] <vlowther> RAOF: /me is still reading through the thread -- the onlt useful thing i could add is that this exact machine exhibits the bug with the ipw3945 and not with an ar5205 (IIRC)
[03:01] <RAOF> vlowther: No, not at all.
[03:01] <RAOF> They're in linux-ubuntu-modules :)
[03:01] <RAOF> All you need to do is add "iwl3945" to /etc/modules, and "ipw3945" to /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.
[03:03] <vlowther> coolio
[03:03] <vlowther> off to try it
[03:03] <RAOF> Because iwl is set to not autoload, and you can't load it with ipw (for obvious reasons)
[03:03] <RAOF> vlowther: I'll be interested to hear if you can stay associated for more than an hour with those drivers :)
[03:04] <vlowther> we shall see... any interesting bugs with them I should know about (other than being horribly alpha, that is. ;) )
[03:05] <RAOF> Not that I noticed.  It successfully associated with WPA2.
[03:08] <DanaG> Actually, blacklist is enough.
[03:08] <DanaG> With .22-9.
[03:08] <DanaG> .22-8 ubuntu-modules doesn't have iwl3945, I believe.
[03:09] <DanaG> Oh, I see, maybe it autoloads with custom-compiled, but not with packaged.
[03:09] <RAOF> DanaG: That's right.  Ubuntu patch out the "I drive this piece of hardware" table.
[03:09] <DanaG> Aah.
[03:09] <RAOF> So that it doesn't autoload :)
[03:09] <RAOF> And it was in .22-8
[03:10] <DanaG> Oh, is there any way to get the system to explicitly release its IP address upon suspend?
[03:10] <DanaG> If I don't do that, my router is too stupid to give me one when I resume.
[03:10] <DanaG> Then I have to manually ifconfig to the right IP, or restart the router.
[03:11] <DanaG> I don't have that issue in Windows.
[03:11] <DanaG> (I don't think it's the fault of Linux; I think it's that Windows lets the router get away with being stupid.)
[03:12] <DanaG> Oh, and is there a way to tell a router to give me an IP for a specific amount of time?  Right now, my router sets the lease time to over 30 years.  Yes, years.
[03:13] <RAOF> I think that's a dhclient option.
[03:13] <RAOF> Also, your router's config page might be useful
[03:13] <DanaG> Nope, it's not.  Stupid Netgear.
[03:14] <vlowthe1> firmware upgrade?
[03:17] <vlowther> ah, that is better
[03:18] <RAOF> How goes the iwl?
[03:22] <vlowther> well, so far, so good.
[03:23] <vlowther> getting decent bandwidth, and nothing too crazy is happening in dmesg -- just a bunch of REPLY_ADD_STA failed messages
[03:24] <RAOF> Yeah.
[03:24] <RAOF> I'll wait for you to unassociate and need to reboot before I declare it a success :)
[03:25] <vlowther> NM did not appreciate my forced reomval of ipw3945, tho -- i had to take it into single-user mode to get everyhting back
[03:25] <vlowther> RAOF: oh, is that the deal, then? :)
[03:25] <vlowther> but reboots make the baby Jesus cry.
[03:27] <vlowther> but if I must...
[03:27] <RAOF> Gah.  I didn't mean that.
[03:29] <vlowther> the reboot, she worked
[03:29] <vlowther> not the timer starts on the iwl3945 driver, then?
[03:30] <vlowther> s/not/now/
[03:30] <RAOF> vlowther: Sorry.  I meant that after a while *my* attempts at using the iwl drivers resulted in me getting disassociated & needing to reboot to fix it :/
[03:30] <RAOF> Yeah :)
[03:30] <vlowther> ah
[03:31] <vlowther> in that case, what does hte network config look like @ your end?  probably not running a wide-open AP like me...
[03:31] <RAOF> Indeed.  A WPA/WPA2 setup.
[03:31] <pwnguin> hmm. does gstreamer play midi files yet?
[03:32] <RAOF> Not as far as I'm aware.
[03:32] <RAOF> I suppose it's technically possible, though.
[03:32] <vlowther> ah.  I will go out on a limb and assime the iwl3945 does not to hardware accellerated encryption, then?
[03:32] <vlowther> damn my typos.
[03:33] <vlowther> pwnguin: that was actually featured on Slashdot today, in an oblique fashion.
[03:33] <pwnguin> heh
[03:33] <pwnguin> vlowther: actually
[03:34] <pwnguin> i just read that artcile and was wondering
[03:34] <RAOF> vlowther: Why would you suggest that?  I don't know either way.
[03:34] <Pici> Woo. Latest notifcation-daemon update fixed my issue! And I thought it was just something screwy with my computer
[03:34] <pwnguin> vlowther: as it happens, timidity works
[03:35] <pwnguin> so it seems possible; and i hear gstreamer-plugins-bad has a timidity in cvs
[03:35] <vlowther> RAOF: partially because I see arc4 and friends loaded as kernel modules
[03:36] <vlowther> right after iwl3945
[03:36] <vlowther> pwnguin: so someone else RTFA'ed, then. :)
[03:36] <pwnguin> vlowther: indeed. i found a bounty on launchpad on the subject
[03:37] <vlowther> well, there you go, then.
[03:37] <pwnguin> vlowther: seriously, the command line tool just played a midi for me
[03:37] <vlowther> no reason it would not
[03:37] <pwnguin> and the gstreamer plugin's called timidity, so it seems like gutsy migtht work out of the box
[03:38] <pwnguin> better turn on the laptop
[03:38] <vlowther> jsut a matter of hooking up the timidity libs to gstreamer, then.
[03:38] <pwnguin> and fixing timidity
[03:38] <vlowther> well, there is that. :)
[03:38] <vlowther> besides, it is not like anyone actually uses midi anymore, right ;)
[03:38] <pwnguin> that was the most odd part about it
[03:40] <vlowther> anyways, back to finding out what else I can cut out of suspend/resume -- I am down to a 3 second resume from STR time as it is.
[03:40] <pwnguin> does the stock kernel finally build the timing stuff?
[03:43] <vlowther> hm?
[03:43] <vlowther> what do you mean?
[03:44] <vlowther> dmesg timestamps, or something else?
[03:47] <pwnguin> something else
[03:48] <pwnguin> there's a tool for diagnosing where suspend is in the kernel
[03:48] <RAOF> pwnguin: You mean the one that stores data in the RTC?
[03:48] <pwnguin> but i guess its not timing
[03:48] <pwnguin> even though its in the clock =/
[03:48] <pwnguin> RAOF: yes
[03:49] <RAOF> Isn't that already in the vanilla kernel?
[03:49] <pwnguin> as an option
[03:49] <RAOF> Or do you mean in the Ubuntu kernel?
[03:49] <pwnguin> the ubuntu kernel specifically
[03:49] <pwnguin> thats what i meant by "stock"
[03:50] <pwnguin> since vanilla seems to be the term for kernel.org unpatched ;)
[03:50] <RAOF> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingKernelSuspend seems to suggest that it's been on as of Feisty
[03:51] <pwnguin> well hurray
[03:53] <vlowther> RAOF: well, something hiccupped there -- doesn't see mto have been the card, tho.
[03:54] <RAOF> :)
[04:04] <databuddy> i'm having major trouble with my pc keeping time
[04:04] <databuddy> what can i do?
[04:04] <cyphase> How difficult would it be to expand the functionality that tells you when Firefox needs to be restarted after an upgrade/reinstall to include more programs?
[04:05] <RAOF> cyphase: Not at all, it's already used for a bunch of stuff.
[04:06] <cyphase> RAOF: what stuff? I can't remember anything of the top of my head..
[04:06] <RAOF> cyphase: Every time alsa gets upgraded, for example.
[04:06] <RAOF> But what do you think needs such notifications?
[04:06] <cyphase> RAOF: that tells you to reboot, doesn't it?
[04:06] <cyphase> instead of just restarting a program
[04:07] <RAOF> cyphase: No, to re-run "asoundconf"
[04:07] <cyphase> hmm
[04:07] <RAOF> But it's all the same infrastructure, any package can use it.
[04:07] <cyphase> is it all hard coded into a binary? or is there a config file?
[04:08] <cyphase> ah
[04:08] <RAOF> But why would you want to?  Firefox is an exception, in that it won't use the new version until you close all existing firefox windows.
[04:09] <cyphase> if liferea was updated, i might want to know so i can restart it
[04:09] <cyphase> or whatever program
[04:11] <RAOF> You can't just pay attention to the "what will be upgraded" window?
[04:13] <cyphase> RAOF: if ubuntu developers only added what *they* needed, ubuntu wouldn't be so easy to use, would it? :)
[04:14] <RAOF> cyphase: But that would be incredibly annoying; you'd get one of those notices each and every time you updated.
[04:14] <RAOF> Firefox is an exception, I believe, because it won't work properly in a half-installed state.
[04:15] <Hobbsee> RAOF: ah, can you tell me where that functionality is?
[04:15] <Hobbsee> RAOF: we need it for sun's java, and flashplugin
[04:15] <Hobbsee> RAOF: of course, if you could fix it, so much better to you :)
[04:15] <RAOF> Hobbsee: Your package needs to touch a file in... somewhere.
[04:15] <cyphase> updates aren't to frequent, and it would only make sense for actual applications. no use in saying, "restart all prgrams that use the libc library"
[04:16] <RAOF> cyphase: What are you doing in ubuntu+1 :P
[04:16] <cyphase> i found the file, but i don't know how to make the dialog say what i want it to
[04:16] <RAOF> Programs I use get updated multiple times a day :)
[04:16] <cyphase> RAOF: i assume you're running gutsy
[04:17] <RAOF> Hobbsee: Want to point me at the bug(s), and I'll see what I can do.
[04:17] <RAOF> cyphase: Yes.  This *is* ubuntu+1.  It's a fair assumption to assume everyone in here is running Gutsy.
[04:17] <Hobbsee> RAOF: i dont remember them offhand.  it's also listed against ubuntu-restricted-extras, but i think i marked it as wontfix there, so you'll need an advanced search
[04:17] <Hobbsee> RAOF: it's fairly easy to find off that, though - give me a yell if you have trouble
[04:18] <Hobbsee> (your LP will probably load quicker than mine will)
[04:18] <RAOF> :)
[04:18] <cyphase> RAOF: there aren't nearly as many updates in feisty, seeing as it's already been released
[04:18] <RAOF> cyphase: True.  But then, the updates are only bugfixes anyway, so you probably don't need to care.
[04:19] <cyphase> if i don't need to care, why update it at all?
[04:19] <cyphase> anyway..
[04:20] <cyphase> i was just curious how you made that "restart this program" dialog pop up
[04:20] <cyphase> and put XYZ text in it
[04:20] <RAOF> Touch a file somewhere :)
[04:21] <cyphase> yea, i know: /usr/share/update-notifier/notify-reboot-required
[04:22] <cyphase> touching a file doesn't say anything about firefox
[04:22] <RAOF> apt-get source firefox?
[04:44] <vlowther> RAOF: well, it has been over an hour, and my connection is still $%#NO CARRIER
[04:44] <RAOF> ?
[04:45] <RAOF> :)
[04:46] <vlowther> sorry, couldn't resist
[04:46] <vlowther> (not that i have used a modem in over a decade, mind you...)
[05:11] <cyphase> aha.. /var/lib/update-notifier/user.d
[05:24] <DanaG> Oh, for hw crypto in iwl3945, do modinfo iwl3945.
[05:24] <DanaG> There's a parameter you can pass to the module to enable hwcrypto.
[05:24] <DanaG> I'm rather late, but perhaps the original asker is still around.
[05:29] <vlowther> he is, but not for long.
[05:29] <vlowther> DanaG: any idea on how stable it is?
[05:37] <DanaG> Hmm, I haven't tried it much.
[05:38] <malnilion> Lol, this is the stupidest question ever, but anybody know a command to recursively search an entire directory worth of files for a text string?
[05:38] <DanaG> Well, to execute commands on things,
[05:39] <DanaG> find /some/path -exec some-bin {} \;
[05:39] <DanaG> where {} is replaced by current file, and the last semicolon DOES have to be escaped with a backslash.
[05:40] <DanaG> So it'd be 'find /some/path -exec grep pattern {} \;
[05:40] <d4rkmonkey> Hey, I just updated to gutsy, and I was wondering how to enable compiz-fusion.
[05:40] <malnilion> Do you think I could cat -R /path/* |grep "string" or something?
[05:40] <DanaG> I don't know if cat has recursive option.
[05:41] <malnilion> Darn, it doesn't
[05:41] <d4rkmonkey> Nevermind, I found it
[05:44] <vlowther> d4rkmonkey: (cd dir && grep -r foo *) ?
[05:44] <d4rkmonkey> vlowther, what?
[05:45] <vlowther> d4rkmonkey: is that what you found?
[05:46] <d4rkmonkey> vlowther, no, I was talking about enabling desktop effects
[05:46] <vlowther> sry, brainfart.  thought you asked the other question. :p
[05:46] <d4rkmonkey> vlowther, lol, its ok :)
[05:48] <vlowther> hm, if I am making that kind of stupid mistake, I should probably stop hacking on my acpi scripts.  Especially since they are the live ones.
[05:48] <d4rkmonkey> vlowther, do you know how I can configure different things for desktop effects like the cube?
[05:48] <vlowther> (for now, that is -- maybe after some sleep)
[05:48] <vlowther> gotta use gconf-editor, IIRC.
[05:50] <vlowther> /apps/compiz/plugins iirc
[05:51] <d4rkmonkey> vlowther, ok
[05:55] <d4rkmonkey> vlowther, that gnome-compiz-manager or whatever it was called doesn't work on gutsy?
[05:57] <vlowther> no idea -- never tried it
[05:58] <vlowther> until very recently, compiz and suspend did not play nice with the nVidia card on my box.
[06:12] <RAOF> vlowther: And they do now?
[06:15] <vlowther> RAOF: only after hacking the ACPI scripts to not do all that crap they were doing with the video card and just let the nvidia binary driver take care of things.
[06:16] <vlowther> (it also cut a few seconds off resume time -- not polsting the video card and switching consoles needlessly).
[06:16] <RAOF> vlowther: You mean you can have compiz enabled, suspend, and come back to a working session?
[06:16] <vlowther> yes
[06:16] <RAOF> Wicked.  Write a howto
[06:17] <DanaG> I've gone back to 97.55 and I still have fixed nvidia suspend.
[06:17] <DanaG> It was the /etc/default/acpi-support settings only that made the difference.
[06:17] <DanaG> However, a second suspend-resume cycle sometimes fails.
[06:17] <vlowther> heh.  I actually plan on submitting a patch to acpi-support
[06:17] <tehk> Anyone know if there are going to be packages for Compiz-fusion-plugins-unsupported/unofficial
[06:17] <DanaG> Is there a way to make my system explicitly release its IP addresses before suspending?
[06:18] <vlowther> but I noticed some other inconsistencies...
[06:18] <RAOF> tehk: No.  Read the package name :)
[06:18] <DanaG> Will there at least be an easy way to download and compile them while keeping the rest of the stuff packaged?
[06:18] <DanaG> I'd like to see that, at least.
[06:18] <DanaG> Though that may be one of those "easier said than done" sort of things.
[06:19] <tehk> RAOF well the names do not really mean anything, since all of compiz fusion and beryl were unsupported
[06:19] <RAOF> DanaG: Yeah, it'll be easy.  compiz-bcop, and compiz-dev are all you need
[06:19] <DanaG> Aah.
[06:19] <RAOF> tehk: But those plugins are unsupported even by the crack-happy standards of Beryl :){
[06:20] <RAOF> DanaG: In fact, you won't even need root.
[06:21] <d4rkmonkey> hmm when I go into desktop effects through the gui, it lets me enable it, but when going back, it says it isn't enabled (even though its working). Whats up with that?
[06:23] <RAOF> Dunno.  File a bug?
[06:23] <RAOF> In fact, search for the already existing bug, I think :)
[06:23] <d4rkmonkey> RAOF, sounds good.
[06:24] <d4rkmonkey> My wireless doesn't work in gutsy either. In feisty at first it didn't work, but one time when I turned my comp on it randomly started working. The actual hardware is off and I don't know how to turn it on :(
[06:24] <tehk> Hmm I hope the shift plugin gets pushed into plugins-extra. It would be nice to have that without a third part package
[06:27] <DanaG> OOps, I somehow read "shift" without the F.  OOps.
[06:44] <cyphase> Why isn't restricted-manager installed in Gutsy?
[06:44] <RAOF> Isn't it?
[06:45] <RAOF> Let's rephrase: cyphase, it is for me :)
[06:46] <cyphase> RAOF: hmm.. well, i installed tribe 3 in a virtual machine..
[06:46] <cyphase> could that have affected it?
[06:46] <RAOF> No, shouldn't have.
[06:46] <cyphase> strange
[06:47] <cyphase> ok, just looked through the ubuntu-desktop Recommends.. restricted-manager *is* in there, but it's not installed
[06:48] <masterloki> gar
[06:48] <masterloki> !tty
[06:48] <ubotu> To get to the tty terminals 1-6, use the keystroke ctrl + alt + F1-F6 respectively (Alt+F7 will get you back to your graphical login).
[06:48] <masterloki> !tty missing
[06:48] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about tty missing - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:49] <masterloki> !missing tty
[06:49] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about missing tty - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:49] <masterloki> gah
[06:49] <DanaG> Oh, if your consoles are blank, try 'sudo modprobe fbcon'.
[06:50] <DanaG> For some reason, the module is not being loaded in the initramfs, perhaps.
[06:50] <masterloki> nope cant even switch to em
[07:03] <DanaG> Hmm, that's a different issue.
[07:03] <masterloki> ah needed version 9775 according to Jupiter1tx
[07:03] <masterloki> known bug
[07:03] <masterloki> ok bbiab gonna do manual install
[07:04] <RAOF> masterloki: ?L
[07:04] <masterloki> ??
[07:04] <RAOF> masterloki: Of the nvidia-glx-new drivers?
[07:04] <masterloki> using just nvidia-glx
[07:04] <RAOF> Ah.
[07:04] <masterloki> 1.0-9631
[07:04] <RAOF> But why a manual install?
[07:05] <masterloki> is there a 9755 in the repo?
[07:05] <crdlb> !info nvidia-glx-new gutsy
[07:05] <RAOF> Yes
[07:05] <masterloki> oh
[07:05] <ubotu> nvidia-glx-new: NVIDIA binary XFree86 4.x/X.Org 'new' driver. In component restricted, is optional. Version 1.0.9755+2.6.22.2-9.6 (gutsy), package size 4720 kB, installed size 14400 kB
[07:05] <masterloki> no reason then
[07:05] <RAOF> :)
[07:05] <masterloki> and may i say right the !@#$%$&$%^& on for putting in before i did manual
[07:05] <masterloki> lkol
[07:05] <masterloki> lol ****
[07:05] <masterloki> funneh even
[07:06] <masterloki> im betting the reason that compiz is doing nothing is the driver i put in too
[07:06] <masterloki> hehe
[07:06] <masterloki> i didnt think the 7xxx series needed that driver - just so i know for the future wasnt there a compatability list?
[07:06] <masterloki> !nvidia
[07:06] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[07:08] <masterloki> RAOF, i spose i cant just purge the nvidia module and modprobe the new one and restart X
[07:52] <Xemanth> what does "Go Ape!" mean in topic ? :>
[07:53] <ameyer> Xemanth: I'm pretty sure a gibbon is a type of ape
[07:53] <Xemanth> hmm-m
[07:53] <ameyer> other than that, no clue
[07:53] <Xemanth> i c
[07:59] <bderrly> why does the empathy chat client exist?
[08:04] <masterloki> reinstalling gutsy b/c changing ati card to nvidia card caused all kinda problems.
[08:06] <RAOF> bderrly: As a simple gnome telepathy frontend?
[08:07] <bderrly> RAOF: I suppose I'm not up to date on what telepathy is and why it is needed...I just discovered it 15 minutes ago
[08:08] <RAOF> And telepathy is cool because it's a single API for all communications stuff: IRC, msn, gabber, SIP, VoIP, Videoconferencing...
[08:09] <RAOF> And some other stuff.  Basically, the idea is that all your communications gets handled by telepathy.  So, for example, in Evolution you'll be able to tell if the person you're sending an email to is on IM
[08:09] <RAOF> And stuff.  It's cool.
[08:09] <RAOF> And unfinished :)
[08:09] <bderrly> that sounds good
[08:10] <DanaG> I'd just like to be able to voice-chat over the AIM protocol.
[08:10] <bderrly> it just seems odd that we would  need yet another chat client to rule them all
[08:10] <bderrly> good luck with the AIM protocol ;)
[08:10] <DanaG> or is it s/protocol/network/  ?
[08:11] <bderrly> oscar is the protocal
[08:11] <RAOF> bderrly: The idea is that it's not a chat client.
[08:11] <bderrly> err
[08:11] <bderrly> protocol
[08:11] <ameyer> although many things that try to do many things fail to do anything well
[08:11] <DanaG> Or just find ONE cross-platform voice&video-chat  app.
[08:11] <RAOF> The idea is that telepathy is a chat client backend.
[08:11] <bderrly> RAOF: sorry, i was referring to empathy and didn't say so
[08:11] <ameyer> Pidgin is a horrible IRC  client. for  example
[08:11] <DanaG> I have friends on OS X, and ekiga doesn't have an OS X version.
[08:12] <bderrly> ameyer: funny you should mention that as i'm running irc from pidgin as a test right now :)
[08:12] <RAOF> DanaG: But it uses SIP and does open standards.  I've talked with a jml with Ekiga, and he was on OS X
[08:12] <ameyer> perhaps it's  improved recently
[08:12] <DanaG> What client did the other person use?
[08:12] <RAOF> Dunno.  I forget. :)
[08:13] <RAOF> His client only had a crappy codec, though, so the quality wasn't too awesome.
[08:13] <DanaG> Plus, I have to use offboard sound if I want to use a microphone.
[08:13] <RAOF> Heh.
[08:14] <DanaG> But then again, I mostly only ever leave my external sound card behind when I'm going somewhere where I can talk to the people, anyway.
[08:14] <bderrly> is empathy/telepathy going to support more than the three or four protocols it does now?
[08:15] <bderrly> it seems silly to create another chat client that only supports a few protocols
[08:15] <DanaG> I've found a bug with GTK: popup menus only respond to right mouse button.
[08:16] <DanaG> Try this in pidgin: right click the input box, then try to select an input method with the left button.
[08:16] <DanaG> It doesn't work.
[08:16] <bderrly> input methods is greyed out for me
[08:16] <DanaG> Okay, it works after about 10 or so tries.
[08:16] <DanaG> Do you have SCIM installed?
[08:17] <bderrly> it would appear so
[08:17] <DanaG> Hmm.
[08:17] <bderrly> ii  scim               1.4.7-1ubuntu1     smart common input method platform
[08:17] <bderrly> it is available if i right click a gnome-term
[08:17] <DanaG> i   scim-gtk2-immodule
[08:18] <bderrly> installed
[08:18] <RAOF> bderrly: empathy should support everything that telepathy does, and telepathy is meant to support everything.
[08:18] <DanaG> Hmm, for me, it took 10 tries to select it one time, then 6 tries to select Default again.
[08:18] <DanaG> That's what I'd call broken.
[08:18] <bderrly> haha
[08:18] <bderrly> yeah
[08:19] <DanaG> The same thing applies to pavucontrol when moving streams between devices.
[08:31] <bderrly> ok
[08:32] <bderrly> this makes me feel better: there is work on a pidgin to work with telepathy
[08:32] <bderrly> s/a pidgin/pidgin/
[08:34] <DanaG> Argh, I can't figure out how to set up port forwarding on my iptables.
[08:34] <DanaG> I'm running qemu under NAT on tap0, but I need to make the client reachable from the host.
[08:36] <tehk> Have upstream versions frozen yet?
[08:39] <RAOF> Nowhere neap
[08:39] <RAOF> s/p/r/
[08:40] <ameyer> i think that's a couple weeks away
[08:40] <RAOF> !release
[08:40] <ubotu> Ubuntu releases a new version every 6 months. Each version is supported for 18 months to 5 years. More info at http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/releases & http://wiki.ubuntu.com/TimeBasedReleases
[08:40] <RAOF> Nah, that's not it.
[08:40] <tehk> I found it, august 16th
[08:40] <RAOF> Ages away :)
[08:41] <tehk> Yea ages.
[08:41] <ameyer> that doesn't 100% freeze things, right?
[08:41] <RAOF> No, it merely means you need to have a reason.
[08:42] <ameyer> like security fixes
[08:42] <ameyer> or even bug fixes
[08:42] <RAOF> Or useful new features, even.
[09:09] <masterloki> ok did fresh install with nvidia card and desktop effects do not work out of the box
[09:10] <masterloki> it put in the argb stuff in the xorg when activating the nvidia module + reboot
[09:10] <masterloki> doing full system update which is probably a mistake
[09:10] <masterloki> and curiously enough i can get to the tty screens atm with ctrl+alt+f1-f6
[09:10] <masterloki> so if that goes away im gonna guess its the package that does that lol
[09:13] <DanglyBits> how can i play a wma movie using totem in gutsy?
[09:15] <DanglyBits> how can i play a wmv's movie using totem in gutsy?
[09:17] <databuddy> sudo apt-get install totem-xine
[09:17] <databuddy> and get the w32/w64/codecs
[09:17] <databuddy> !restricted formats
[09:17] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[09:18] <RAOF> databuddy: Not needed.
[09:18] <RAOF> databuddy: There are now open-source wmv3 decoders.
[09:18] <DanaG> Argh, I'm trying to get seamlessvirtualization to work, but I can't get it to do so.
[09:19] <DanaG> RDP works, but it's windowed.
[09:19] <databuddy> RAOF: fine.
[09:19] <databuddy> DanglyBits: sudo apt-get install mplayer
[09:19] <RAOF> DanaG: You should be able to get away with totem-gstreamer, and gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg.
[09:19] <RAOF> databuddy: That also works :)
[09:19] <DanaG> Wrong tab-conplete?
[09:19] <databuddy> mplayer > all
[09:20] <RAOF> DanaG: Indeed.  Sorry.
[09:20] <databuddy> getting old and tired or just need a mocha?
[09:20] <praecox> hey, anyone here can help me out with Compiz under Kubuntu?
[09:20] <databuddy> :D
[09:20] <RAOF> databuddy: If you're going to install totem-xine, though, you should also recommend libxine-ffmpeg, where the wmv3 decoder resides :)
[09:22] <DanaG> How do I fix the seamlessrdp?
[09:28] <DanaG> That's just odd: Now I'm getting both the full desktop AND the separate app.
[09:28] <DanaG> So I see my windows twice.
[09:29] <DanaG> Oh yay, and I managed to CRASH the thing by resizing a window with metacity.
[09:30] <DanaG> That hardly seems "seamless" to me!
[09:33] <DanaG> That is just plain odd.
[09:34] <RAOF> :)
[09:35] <DanaG> It's like an echo -- I see the full desktop, on-top but click-through, and then I see anything I'm running above that.
[09:36] <DanaG> Okay, it's not unclickable.  Oops.
[09:36] <DanglyBits> where can i find a decent theme with a bottom kicker like MacOSX uses ?
[09:37] <Amaranth> DanglyBits: that requires a separate 'dock' application
[09:37] <Amaranth> well, to do it right, anyway
[09:37] <DanglyBits> which one?
[09:37] <Amaranth> which one what?
[09:37] <DanglyBits> which dock apps
[09:38] <DanaG> I wonder why I'm getting this echo of a desktop.
[09:39] <DanglyBits> There are no dock apps for gutsy to look like MacOSX are there.
[09:40] <DanglyBits> its the only cool thing i like about OSX
[09:40] <RAOF> AWN is close, I think.
[09:40] <DanglyBits> AWN?
[09:41] <aslan> hello, Does anyone know where I can python-psyco? I'm trying to install bittorent 5.08
[09:41] <RAOF> !info python-psycho gutsy
[09:41] <ubotu> Package python-psycho does not exist in gutsy
[09:41] <RAOF> Where did it go?  Hm.
[09:42] <Amaranth> !info python-psyco
[09:42] <ubotu> python-psyco: python specializing compiler. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.5.1-3 (gutsy), package size 232 kB, installed size 652 kB (Only available for i386 hurd-i386 netbsd-i386 kfreebsd-i386)
[09:42] <RAOF> Aaah.
[09:42] <RAOF> Thanks.
[09:42] <Amaranth> wow ubotu automatically shows gutsy here
[09:42] <Amaranth> nice
[09:43] <aslan> ah damn.. it's only for i386
[09:43] <RAOF> aslan: aptitude install python-
[09:43] <aslan> that doesn't help me on an x86_64 system
[09:43] <RAOF> Bah, that's not meant to be enter :)
[09:43] <aslan> RAOF: lol
[09:43] <Amaranth> aslan: psyco only exists on x86
[09:44] <Amaranth> because it's hand optimized x86 assembler
[09:44] <aslan> Amaranth: hrmm.. so there's no way to install bittorrent 5.08 on x86_64 huh ?
[09:44] <aslan> that sucks
[09:44] <Amaranth> all apps that use psyco don't require it
[09:44] <aslan> Azureus keeps dying
[09:44] <Amaranth> well, all sane apps
[09:44] <RAOF> aslan: Deluge?
[09:44] <Amaranth> psyco doesn't do anything essential, it just makes stuff run faster
[09:45] <xstasi> argh
[09:45] <aslan> RAOF: haven't tried that.. I'm looking for an alternative to azureus, doesn' want java using all my memory.
[09:45] <xstasi> i just upgraded my gnome, and top and down edges are not clickable
[09:45] <xstasi> i have to go 1 pixel up/down to be able to click on the bars
[09:45] <xstasi> wtf :|
[09:45] <DanglyBits> how can i install awn in gutsy?
[09:45] <Amaranth> xstasi: this is compiz
[09:45] <xstasi> Amaranth, so i had to begin with "i just upgraded my compiz"?
[09:46] <Amaranth> no, i'm saying compiz is responsible
[09:46] <xstasi> ok
[09:46] <xstasi> how do i fix this?
[09:46] <RAOF> DanglyBits: How much do you care about going outside the package manager :)
[09:46] <aslan> RAOF: where do I get deluge from ?
[09:46] <RAOF> !info deluge-torrent
[09:46] <ubotu> deluge-torrent: A Bittorrent client written in Python/PyGTK. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.5.2-0ubuntu1 (gutsy), package size 1292 kB, installed size 4344 kB
[09:46] <Amaranth> xstasi: open ccsm and in the wall actions get rid of the screen edges
[09:47] <aslan> RAOF: uh.. it's not showing up here..
[09:47] <RAOF> aslan: Then you're on feisty.
[09:47] <xstasi> but i just disabled the wall
[09:47] <xstasi> :|
[09:47] <Amaranth> aslan: are you using gutsy?
[09:47] <aslan> yep
[09:47] <aslan> gutsy
[09:47] <Amaranth> aslan: up-to-date?
[09:47] <RAOF> Then enable universe.
[09:47] <aslan> Amaranth: yep just ran apt-get update
[09:47] <Amaranth> xstasi: dunno what to tell you, that fixes it for me
[09:47] <xstasi> Amaranth, which option exactly?
[09:47] <aslan> RAOF: it is
[09:47] <aslan> this is oddd
[09:47] <aslan> Here's my sources.list
[09:48] <Amaranth> xstasi: if you disabled wall then you have something else enabled that uses screen edges or screen corners
[09:48] <xstasi> i just reenabled wall, just to see
[09:48] <Amaranth> but you said disabling wall didn't fix it
[09:48] <xstasi> what is the exact setting on wall?
[09:48] <aslan> http://pastebin.ca/641463
[09:48] <Amaranth> xstasi: it's the actions
[09:48] <xstasi> k, i'll check asap
[09:48] <xstasi> brb
[09:49] <Amaranth> Flip Left/Up/Right/Down
[09:50] <RAOF> aslan: That looks right.  I have no idea why you can't see it.
[09:51] <aslan> RAOF: is it only for i686?
[09:51] <RAOF> No.
[09:51] <aslan> I am running x86_64
[09:51] <aslan> hrmm...
[09:51] <RAOF> I use it on my x86_64 systems.
[09:51] <DanaG> I wonder why seamlessrdp is so borked.
[09:52] <DanaG> Perhaps I should file a bug report.
[09:52] <aslan> It would be nice to get deluge installed.
[09:53] <aslan> the website only has feisty debs
[09:53] <aslan> any ideas on things I can try to find a gutsy deb ?
[09:53] <RAOF> DanaG: Yup.  Bug!
[09:53] <RAOF> aslan: sudo aptitude update && sudo aptitude install deluge-torrent
[09:53] <RAOF> aslan: Really, realy, should work.
[09:54] <aslan> RAOF: found it
[09:54] <aslan> for some reason it wasn't showing up correctly with my tab completion
[09:54] <aslan> so I googled it and found out it's called deluge-torrent
[09:54] <Amaranth> aslan: dude, type it out
[09:54] <aslan> typed that in and I'm goog :)
[09:54] <aslan> good*
[09:55] <Amaranth> we told you it was deluge-torrent :)
[09:55] <masterloki> fixed my problem
[09:55] <aslan> Amaranth: hehe sorry my bad :)
[09:55] <masterloki> forgot to turn on window decorations in comipz
[09:56] <RAOF> :)
[09:56] <masterloki> installed ccsm after full reinstall >_<
[09:56] <masterloki> talk about newb mistake lol
[09:56] <masterloki> <<--- still starscalling/nekostar/etc on masterloki's box
[09:56] <masterloki> but DUDE
[09:56] <masterloki> holy CR@p0l@
[09:56] <masterloki> great stuff i cant wait till i get a vid card for my machine now ;_;
[09:56] <aslan> RAOF: um.. this is probably a lame question, but since I've never used it before, are there recommended settings ?
[10:02] <RAOF> aslan: For deluge?  It's gnome!  Sane defaults, baby!
[10:02] <DanaG> And no options to change things if the defaults don't work for you.
[10:02] <DanaG> Heh heh.
[10:03] <DanaG> At least, I've found that to be the case for some apps, such as Totem.
[10:03] <RAOF> Not Deluge.  There are plenty of options.  But yeah, sane defaults.
[10:03] <aslan> RAOF: ok cool thanx
[10:06] <aslan> hrmm this sucks.. I can't connect to the trackers on scenetorrents with deluge..
[10:15] <aslan> hrmm... I know I'm running alpha software so I'm not complaining, but is anyone else in here having a lot of applications die? I installed deluge, and everytime I try to load a torrent it says that it crashed, but the application doesn't actually crash, it just doesn't load the torrent.
[10:17] <RAOF> That doesn't happen for me.
[10:20] <aslan> huh weird.
[10:20] <aslan> I think I might do a full reinstall, I upgraded to gutsy from feisty and maybe that caused issues
[10:21] <ameyer> aslan: that's not entirely unexpected
[10:21] <ameyer> it is alpha software
[10:22] <databuddy> deluge?
[10:22] <databuddy> @_@
[10:22] <databuddy> !deluge
[10:22] <ubotu> deluge is a new Bittorrent client, created using Python and GTK+, intended to bring a native, full-featured client to !GTK environments such as GNOME and Xfce - See http://deluge-torrent.org/ for more information or http://download.deluge-torrent.org/stable/ubuntu/feisty/ for downloading.
[10:23] <ameyer> well, gutsy's certainly alpha
[10:23] <ameyer> and at some point in development I remember APT being completely hosed for some in feisty
[10:24] <ameyer> it's alpha, stuff breaks
[10:25] <ameyer> heck, feisty broke badly about a week before release
[10:26] <databuddy> i'm having major trouble with the clock keeping time
[10:26] <databuddy> any ideas?
[10:26] <databuddy> its drifting rally bad
[10:26] <RAOF> How fast?
[10:26] <databuddy> oh
[10:26] <databuddy> half hour every 8-10 or something
[10:26] <snadge> feisty was still broken for release.. imho
[10:26] <RAOF> That's pretty bad.
[10:26] <databuddy> which is really bad - this is my alarm clock.
[10:26] <snadge> edgey was more successful for me .. there were a few show stopping bugs
[10:26] <databuddy> installed ntp for server - any way to make a cron job to update clock every 15 min till i can mess with it
[10:26] <databuddy> ?
[10:27] <snadge> like not being able to install to an already partitioned reiserfs partition
[10:27] <snadge> i thought that one was pretty stupid
[10:28] <RAOF> snadge: You mean, having an existing /home on reiser broke?
[10:28] <DanaG> Hmm, if I use kvm with the vga mode instead of cirrus, it just crashes.
[10:28] <snadge> no.. it wouldn't even detect the / filesystem
[10:28] <snadge> even if i formatted it
[10:28] <snadge> the solution was to use the alternate installer
[10:29] <snadge> i think that was an edgy bug actually.. and then feisty complete broke desktop effects
[10:37] <databuddy> ga so any ideas RAOF ?
[10:37] <databuddy>  1 Aug 01:37:43 ntpdate[8518] : no servers can be used, exiting
[10:40] <databuddy> !ntp
[10:40] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ntp - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:40] <aslan> hrmmm.. so any ideas why after my last update any app using java hangs.. and java just uses up my entire CPU ?
[10:41] <aslan> I've tried downgrading to 1.5 and changing the symlink in /etc/alternatives
[10:41] <aslan> I've tried uninstalling/reinstalling java 1.6
[10:41] <aslan> and still nothing..
[11:45] <DanaG> Argh, "Qemulator" is buggy.
[11:48] <DanaG> Crash.  Crash.  Crash.  Crash.
[12:11] <DanaG> Wow, qemulator is a buggy POS.  It crashes even just by pressing tab.
[12:16] <mloki_> can someone here help me out
[12:16] <mloki_> i m tring to set up my sensors in gusty
[12:17] <DanaG> Have you run 'sudo sensors-detect'  ?
[12:17] <mloki_> yes
[12:17] <mloki_> I m to the part where I hav and the lines
[12:17] <mloki_> and I don't know where to find /ect/modules
[12:18] <mloki_> I put that in the termial and got a command not found
[12:18] <mloki_> message
[12:18] <DanaG> I believe if you tell it 'yes', it should automatically put it in the file.
[12:19] <DanaG> What text editor do you prefer?
[12:19] <DanaG> If a GUI app, gksu gedit /etc/modules
[12:19] <DanaG> and if not, you can sudo nano /etc/modules
[12:19] <DanaG> (where gedit and nano are the editors I use, as examples.)
[12:20] <mloki_> the standard one
[12:37] <mloki_> I still lost
[12:39] <DanaG> Hmm, use any editor and edit the file, /etc/modules .
[12:40] <DanaG> (period is not part of the name.)
[12:42] <mloki_> I opened the gedit and copied the driver modules there but when I tried to save them It told me Could not save the file /ect/modules.
[12:42] <DanaG> !gksudo
[12:42] <ubotu> If you need to run graphical applications as root, use  gksudo , as it will set up the environment more appropriately. Avoid ever using  sudo <GUI-application>  See http://psychocats.net/ubuntu/graphicalsudo for more info
[12:42] <DanaG> gksudo gedit
[12:45] <mloki_> now I should be able to run /etc/init.d/module-init-tools this right
[12:45] <mloki_> sorry I haveing a hard time with this I a newb
[12:45] <DanaG> Or just manually modprobe those modules yourself, also with sudo.
[12:47] <mloki_> cool it loaded the kernel mod and the drivers
[12:47] <mloki_> now I test will test it out
[12:48] <mloki_> yeah it worked thank you for the help
[12:48] <DanaG> You're welcome.
[12:49] <DanaG> Oh, must go to sleep now.  Well, I should have gone a few hours ago, but I was busy watching 'qemulator' freeze at the drop of a hat.
[01:58] <IdleOne> is there a tracking system for updates/upgrades?
[01:59] <hylje> launchpad?
[01:59] <IdleOne> what I mean is does every update/upgrade have a number or a name assigned to it ?
[02:02] <hylje> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/gutsy see latest uploads
[02:16] <MattJ> Does anyone have an idea why the latest kernel update makes hibernate work incorrectly on my laptop?
[02:36] <rocky> alright, i think i'm gonna upgrade one of my fiesty machines to gutsy to see what's coming down the pipe... what's the latest install cd image i should download ?
[02:37] <gnomefreak> rocky: in the /topic
[02:37] <rocky> ah tribe 3
[02:45] <rocky> does anyone know if gutsy has any native marvell topdog (wifi)  support ?
[02:55] <praecox> is there any way I can move kwallet and stored passwords to new computer?
[02:55] <praecox> in other words, how am I suppose to backup kwallet passwords?
[02:56] <hylje> hmm where can i find the roadmap or feature list for gutsy?
[02:56] <hylje> praecox: chances are kwallet stores the things in a .directory in your home directory
[02:57] <Pici> hylje: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/gutsy/
[02:58] <hylje> ty
[02:58] <Hobbsee> praecox: backup .kde/
[03:00] <praecox> Hobbsee, well, I already moved all files named 'kwallet' from .kde, but Kopete still asks me for passwords...
[03:01] <Hobbsee> both in apps/ and config/ ?
[03:01] <praecox> Hobbsee, yes.
[03:02] <Hobbsee> then i dont know
[03:04] <praecox> Hobbsee, there were only two files: .kde/share/config/kwalletrc and .kde/share/apps/kwallet/kdewallet.kwl
[03:05] <Hobbsee> oh, nothing else in .kde/share/apps/kwallet/?  fair enough
[03:22] <burner> any crashers or serious issues with latest dist-upgrade to get gnome 2.19.6 that are known yet?  I'm on vacation with a 30kb connection which means a serious commitment to upgrade :)
[03:22] <coNP> :D
[03:27] <rocky> odd, just booted the desktop CD up on my laptop, it went into X and all i see is a blank desktop (i can move around my mouse, etc)
[03:43] <rocky> what's the url for reporting bugs with tribe 3?
[03:45] <rocky> it seems if i have my integrated wifi adapter disabled (in bios on my dell latitude d800) when i try running the installer then when gnome starts up everything hangs ...
[03:45] <burner> rocky: launchpad.net
[03:46] <rocky> i can switch to a console window and it gives me the illusion i can run commands, but any command i enter hangs
[03:46] <burner> so... enable it? ;)
[03:46] <rocky> but, if i enable my wifi adapter and try installing, things work ;)
[03:46] <rocky> lol of course ;)
[03:46] <rocky> and that's what i will do
[03:46] <rocky> but it should probably still be reported ;)
[03:54] <burner> for sure, use launchpad :)
[04:05] <rocky> does gutsy have nvidia binary driver support?
[04:06] <stdin> yeah
[04:06] <stdin> just install as normal
[04:42] <rocky> how do i launch the restricted devices manager app in gutsy ?
[04:42] <rocky> not in my menu
[04:45] <Pici> rocky: I think it was not included in the Tribe3 install. You'll need to install it manually, might need to enable the restricted repos first.
[04:45] <rocky> what is the package called?
[04:46] <Pici> restricted-manager
[04:48] <rocky> bah, why'd it install my nvidia-glx-new in favour of nvidia-glx ?
[05:03] <DanaG> Argh, something is making Qemu simply freeze when Windows tries to boot.
[05:03] <coNP> hey DanaG
[05:03] <coNP> I guess you also asked this some ten hours ago :)
[05:04] <DanaG> Yet kvm works.
[06:30] <jussi01> hmmm, seems like _everything is broken today
[06:37] <DanaG> Hmm, I got help in the #vbox channel.
[07:17] <rocky> odd... i have 2 wireless devices in my laptop and 3 separate AP's to connect to and i can't connect to any using gutsy (even though they worked fine in feisty)
[07:20] <HEP85> hi. I am using gutsy and have no gnome-splash screen and an empty user list at gdm login
[07:25] <Pici> HEP85: Have you updated lately, I think I remember seeing some gdm fixes recently.
[07:26] <HEP85> Pici: It's up-to-date, but since I'm using AMD64 maybe the fix didn't get to the 64 bit repo yet
[07:27] <HEP85> though I remember an update for gdm yesterday. It's version 2.19.5-0ubuntu1
[07:28] <Pici> HEP85: and you've restarted gdm since then?
[07:28] <HEP85> yes, I also rebooted and tried some setting changes
[07:28] <Pici> hmmm
[07:28] <HEP85> is it right that the splash screen is also part of gdm?
[07:29] <Pici> No.. thats the usplash package
[07:31] <HEP85> Pici: No. I don't mean the bootscreen
[07:32] <HEP85> Pici: I mean the gnome splash right after login where it loads the update-manager and stuff
[07:32] <Pici> HEP85: I dont think thats part of gdm...
[07:33] <Pici> Rather a gnome component
[07:34] <HEP85> Pici: I found it. It is gnome-session
[07:41] <HEP85> I'll be back!
[08:21] <loufoque> is it me or is nautilus quite buggy in gutsy atm?
[08:28] <databuddy> well loufoque is gone but yeah its buggy
[08:38] <Fracture> i'm trying gutsy out with compiz fusion.. one thing that annoys me, is that the applications/places and system menus don't work if your pointer is at the top of the screen.
[08:41] <teratoma> openoffice no longer works for me, much sadness
[08:41] <Fracture> gnome-terminal doesn't work for me :(
[08:41] <Fracture> Bus error (core dumped)
[08:42] <teratoma> i guess you are sadder than i am
[08:42] <Fracture> well.. there's always xterm !
[08:43] <Dekkard> hmm
[08:43] <Fracture> hmm ?
[08:43] <Dekkard> i just tried gnome-terminal and oo.org
[08:44] <Dekkard>  the term works
[08:44] <Dekkard> OO is still trying to open
[08:45] <Dekkard> never opened..
[08:45] <teratoma> yeah, oo does the same for me.  trying... i deleted ~/.openoffice* also
[08:46] <Dekkard> (process:25086): Gdk-CRITICAL **: gdk_screen_get_font_options: assertion `GDK_IS_SCREEN (screen)' failed
[08:48] <Dekkard> koffice still works it seems
[08:53] <Fracture> is there a way to get ubuntu to install any dbg packages for any installed package ?
[08:54] <Dekkard> dbg?
[08:54] <Fracture> debug
[08:54] <Dekkard> sorry
[08:54] <Fracture> they are all called "original package"-dbg
[08:55] <Fracture> one neat idea for testing would be to allow a user to say, "automatically install debug symbols"
[09:01] <geser> there is a seperate archive with -dbgsym packages which contains the debug symbols
[09:02] <Fracture> yeah, I know that.. but wouldn't it be great if you could configure the "Software Sources" to automatically install debug symbol packages ?
[09:02] <geser> the most users have no use for them
[09:03] <geser> apport simply uploads the crashfile and it gets backtraced in the Ubuntu DC
[09:04] <Fracture> what is backtracing ?
[09:07] <coNP> Fracture: read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Backtrace if you are interested
[09:07] <Fracture> coNP: yeah, am reading that .. just found it :)
[09:08] <coNP>  congratulations :)
[09:08] <Fracture> also https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AutomatedProblemReports
[09:08] <coNP> yeah, wiki has *lots* of useful information
[09:09] <Fracture> its a great idea - the server side backtracing !
[09:10] <teratoma> so how do i make openoffice work again ?
[09:12] <Fracture> are all those non ascii characters correct https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-terminal/+bug/129770 ?
[09:12] <Fracture> for the backtraced files
[09:16] <Dekkard> the bug  with OO.org is mentioned in the wiki..
[09:16] <Dekkard> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openoffice.org2/+bug/127944
[09:16] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 127944 in openoffice.org2 "[gutsy] Open Office applications don't start " [High,Confirmed] 
[09:19] <Fracture> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-terminal/+bug/129770 ?
[09:19] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 129770 in gnome-terminal "gnome-terminal crashed with signal 7" [Undecided,New] 
[09:23] <Dekkard> teratoma try installing these packages: mozilla-openoffice.org openoffice.org-gnome openoffice.org-gtk openoffice.org-kde
[09:24] <teratoma> yeah i just did that, it worked
[09:24] <Dekkard> koo
[09:24] <Dekkard>  it didnt work for me
[10:08] <d4rkmonkey> Hey, is there any gui to edit the desktop effects settings?
[10:10] <pygi> hello people
[10:12] <d4rkmonkey> Hi!
[10:12] <d4rkmonkey> pygi, would you happen to know if there is any gui for the desktop effects in gutsy?
[10:13] <pygi> d4rkmonkey, there doesn't seem to be any, sorry
[10:13] <pygi> anyone in here willing to do some cd-burning with Brasero? :)
[10:13] <pygi> if you have a cd-rw ofcourse ^_^
[10:13] <d4rkmonkey> pygi, ok, thanks for the help anyways. I'd help with that CD-Burning but I don't have any cd-rw :(
[10:14] <pygi> d4rkmonkey, don't worry ;)
[10:20] <jussi01> d4rkmonkey: there is a gui for compiz fusion...
[10:20] <d4rkmonkey> jussi01, which is?
[10:21] <d4rkmonkey> jussi01, whats this gui you speak of? I need something to change individual settings
[10:24] <jussi01> d4rkmonkey: I think its called ccsm
[10:25] <d4rkmonkey> jussi01, ok, I'll try that. Thanks
[10:25] <jussi01> !info ccsm
[10:25] <ubotu> Package ccsm does not exist in gutsy
[10:25] <jussi01> hmmm
[10:25] <d4rkmonkey> o
[10:25] <jussi01> might only be in the compiz repo
[10:25] <pygi> compizconfig-settings-manager
[10:25] <pygi> ?
[10:25] <jussi01> pygi: yeah that one
[10:25] <d4rkmonkey> I'll see if that one works then
[10:26] <d4rkmonkey> thanks :)
[10:26] <pygi> yw
[10:26] <d4rkmonkey> looks like it works  so far :)
[10:26] <jussi01> !info compizconfig-settings-manager
[10:26] <ubotu> compizconfig-settings-manager: Compiz configuration settings manager. In component universe, is extra. Version 0.0+git20070712-0ubuntu1 (gutsy), package size 442 kB, installed size 2748 kB
[10:30] <Vuen> hey guys, i'm trying to report a bug in the login manager. anyone know how i can take a screenshot of it?
[10:39] <coNP> Vuen: press alt-printscreen for window, printscreen for whole screen
[10:58] <Vuen> coNP: then what?
[10:58] <Vuen> coNP: where does it put this screenshot?
[10:58] <coNP> Vuen: you chan choose the path. But I guess to your Desktop by default
[10:59] <Vuen> coNP: does it do this all automatically? or is it going to launch a screenshot app?
[10:59] <coNP> launches a screenshot app
[10:59] <Vuen> see this is the problem. i want to take a screenshot of the *login manager*
[10:59] <stdin> Vuen: he's asking about making a screenshot of GDM, *before* he logs in
[10:59] <coNP> oh /me is sorry
[11:00] <Vuen> apparently imagemagick can do it, but it won't accept my -display command
[11:00] <coNP> what about running gdmXnest?
[11:00] <Vuen> `import -display localhost:0.0 1.jpg` doesn't work, it just says cannot contact display
[11:00] <coNP> and capturing it as if it were a regular window (as it is one :))
[11:00] <Vuen> gdmXnest? never heard of it... hmm
[11:00] <Vuen> is there one for kdm? because the bug is actually in kdm
[11:00] <coNP> oh, sorry
[11:00] <Vuen> installing xnest right now
[11:02] <Vuen> wait a sec, i think i got imagemagick to work
[11:02] <Vuen> lemme try it
[11:07] <Vuen> hmm, yeah, imagemagick doesn't seem to want to work now that i've logged out :(
[11:07] <Vuen> says connection refused by server, even though i'm running the import command as root
[11:08] <coNP> use a camera :)
[11:08] <Vuen> heh
[11:08] <Vuen> i'm almost at that point, lol
[11:08] <Vuen> let's try this xnest thing...
[11:09] <d4rkmonkey> Does anyone know if I would need to manually install any drivers for an Intel PRO/Wireless 3945ABG Network Connection wireless card? (got that name from lshw)
[11:10] <stdin> intel = open source = no worries
[11:10] <d4rkmonkey> stdin, ok, I think that the actual card got turned off somehow :(
[11:11] <d4rkmonkey> stdin, it worked in feisty, but the light isn't even turning on in gutsy... I'm pretty sure somehow the card got turned off, it turned itself off when I installed feisty... no idea how to turn it on though, last time it just randomly turn itself on in a reboot
[11:12] <stdin> hmm
[11:18] <stdin> d4rkmonkey: try "sudo -a modprobe ipw2200 eepro100" ?
[11:20] <d4rkmonkey> stdin, I will
[11:20] <d4rkmonkey> uhh
[11:20] <d4rkmonkey> tells me -a is an illegal option.
[11:20] <d4rkmonkey> stdin, did you mean modprove -a?
[11:21] <stdin> ahh, yes :p
[11:22] <pimp31415> hey
[11:22] <d4rkmonkey> stdin, didn't work.. I think the actual hardware got turned off somehow
[11:22] <d4rkmonkey> hi pimp31415
[11:22] <stdin> is there some sort of hardware switch?
[11:22] <pimp31415> question: when i go to tty with the ctrlaltf1 and back to ctrlaltf7 when in gdm i get black screen when gdm is redrawn
[11:22] <pimp31415> any ideas?
[11:22] <pimp31415> restarting gdm doesnt do it
[11:23] <pimp31415> i can log into gnome but then i get another blank screen
[11:25] <d4rkmonkey> stdin, no actual switch that I can find :( I don't know how it turns off lol, I'm going to check my bios again later today
[11:26] <stdin> d4rkmonkey: have you upgraded to the latest kernel yet (2.6.22-9) ?
[11:26] <d4rkmonkey> stdin, I'll check, I only upgraded to gutsy yesterday
[11:27] <d4rkmonkey> yeah thats the kernel i'm using... Its gotta be something to do with hardware
[11:29] <stdin> d4rkmonkey: I did a bit o' digging, ipw3945 is the module that makes that work. try "lsmod | grep ipw3945" to see if it's loaded, of not load it with "sudo modprobe ipw3945"
[11:29] <d4rkmonkey> ok
[11:29] <pimp31415> gah
[11:30] <d4rkmonkey> yeah stdin its loaded, I'm now like.. 100% sure that its hardware, not Ubuntus fault. thanks anyways
[11:32] <finalbeta> Hmm, pidgin is actually kind of nice, is doesn't look bad anymore.
[11:33] <d4rkmonkey> finalbeta, yeah, pidgin rocks, I started using aMSN again for MSN though when I upgraded to gutsy, just because it has more features, and also isn't as ugly as it was before
[11:33] <pygi> hehe
[11:35] <finalbeta> Are there any plans on integrating voice/video? Current plans. Or will pigding move to the telepathy framework?
[11:35] <finalbeta> that one should combine everything right?
[11:41] <finalbeta> I'm surprised glipper didn't make it as a default yet, seemed to solve one of the obvious deficiencies.
[11:42] <arpu> hi @all
[11:43] <arpu> how can i disable the start up sound for my macbook ?
[11:43] <arpu> i think about rEFit
[11:43] <arpu> anybody an idea
[11:44] <Chadwick|359> Hrrrrrm, Has anybody else notice a sudden lack of touchpad on Inspiron 9300 machines? Or any other Synaptics pointer, for that matter
[12:23] <opopanax> hey all
[12:24] <opopanax> so, i'm finding that compiz-fusion doesn't seem to support other opengl apps.  Anyone else running into that?
[12:24] <opopanax> glxgears halts X, and so do all the games I've tried.
[12:24] <opopanax> beryl was fabulous, compiz is a step down, imo