| xivulon | superm1: yes but others helped to, I am ago on the forum | 12:25 |
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| superm1 | xivulon, well then perhaps i should speak to you after mythbuntu's first release regarding getting us in it | 12:25 |
| xivulon | superm1, at the moment what is required is a metalink file pointing to an alternate ISO | 12:26 |
| xivulon | you can reuse one of the metalink files we provide | 12:26 |
| superm1 | xivulon, well we're not going to have an alternate iso unfortunately | 12:26 |
| superm1 | at least not this release | 12:26 |
| xivulon | or use a metalink editor | 12:26 |
| xivulon | superm1 then you'll have to wait for cjwatson and evand to allow preseeding in ubiquity so that the livecd can be used, possibly should be done by 7.10 | 12:27 |
| superm1 | right | 12:27 |
| evand | oh, it will be :) | 12:28 |
| superm1 | well we have a variety of other options that would need to be preseeded as well | 12:28 |
| superm1 | so i think wubi would need a few more pages for those options | 12:28 |
| xivulon | ps I sent a reply to cjwatson on the ml, I am interested in comments on the second part of the email | 12:28 |
| xivulon | superm1, the idea of wubi is to have a 1 click installer. and by 1 click I mean 1 click, not 2 or 3 | 12:29 |
| evand | ahhhhh, that explains the latter two changes | 12:29 |
| xivulon | evand yep | 12:30 |
| superm1 | xivulon, i see. well the problem is that we account for options in hardware selection | 12:30 |
| superm1 | during install | 12:30 |
| superm1 | such as a remote and tuners | 12:30 |
| xivulon | sorry at the time I looked for malone in m-a, then I forgot to notify you | 12:30 |
| xivulon | superm1: what about having a reasonable config and have the rest at first boot? | 12:31 |
| evand | great! I'll fix that bug and apply the changes for dealing with already mounted filesystems, provided I can make the use case of previous partitions of a separate /home and / that are already mounted still work | 12:31 |
| superm1 | xivulon, that's a possibility. one of our specs allows for it at least via our control centre | 12:31 |
| xivulon | evand thx | 12:31 |
| superm1 | i'll get back to you after its implemented | 12:32 |
| superm1 | and we can talk a little more about this | 12:32 |
| xivulon | superm1: quick OT question, why does not mythtv use mysql (at least some versions ago')? | 12:32 |
| xivulon | I mean sqlite | 12:32 |
| xivulon | I have always thought that lots of complications where due to the use of mysql as opposed to sqlite | 12:33 |
| superm1 | xivulon, developers choice to originally use mysql, and there has been no effort towards sqlite at this point | 12:33 |
| xivulon | I think they should use sqlite ;P | 12:34 |
| superm1 | a lot of the original complications on the ubuntu packages were mysql related, but i've massaged the packaging as much as i could to prevent users from messing things up with it | 12:34 |
| superm1 | i agree though, i think there should be multiple options: sqllite, postgres, mysql, etc | 12:35 |
| superm1 | just a matter of the effort involved to do so | 12:35 |
| xivulon | To be honest I think they should just use sqlite, there is little point in choosing a db in a media server, and most other dbs are probably an overkill. | 12:35 |
| xivulon | considering the tickets they had to answer because of mysql it is probably a worthy investment | 12:36 |
| superm1 | does sqlite scale well to many machines, or only to a local app? | 12:37 |
| xivulon | used to be only local app, not sure if they managed to improve the locking system. But do you really need multiple backend servers? | 12:40 |
| superm1 | well i use 2 | 12:41 |
| superm1 | and i have remote frontends | 12:41 |
| superm1 | i'm not sure how common that is though | 12:41 |
| xivulon | Yep but all the data could be in one backend anyway, even singlethreaded | 12:42 |
| xivulon | anyway that's ot | 12:42 |
| superm1 | ya | 12:42 |
| xivulon | evand do you know if anyone plans to come on board and help with the wubi front-end? | 12:43 |
| superm1 | i'd say bring it up in #mythtv, but i know what the result will be. "You want a feature, submit a patch, or put it on the wiki page, and maybe someone will do it" | 12:43 |
| xivulon | superm1: I wish I could help, but I have not much time for that, the little I have I am using on wubi | 12:44 |
| superm1 | :) | 12:44 |
| evand | xivulon: I'm tempted to, provided I can find some free time. What needs to be done, exactly? | 12:47 |
| xivulon | improve the download manager, we need segmented downloads | 12:48 |
| xivulon | improve keyboard detection | 12:49 |
| superm1 | xivulon, currently does it use bittorrent to do it? Or just http? | 12:49 |
| xivulon | http, but with a few features | 12:49 |
| xivulon | we used to have bittorrent, but it was clunky | 12:49 |
| xivulon | it required python and a few users had issues with it | 12:49 |
| cjwatson | as far as our use of wubi is concerned, I was imagining that we'd just ship it on the CD, which would mean that wouldn't be so much of an issue | 12:49 |
| xivulon | hi cjwatson | 12:49 |
| cjwatson | hi, going to bed soon so nothing complicated please :) | 12:50 |
| xivulon | np long day here, my brain is melting (more than usual) | 12:50 |
| xivulon | I sent you a reply, you already answered a bit | 12:51 |
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| TheBigClash | hello | 03:26 |
| TheBigClash | i have a problem with installing ubuntu | 03:27 |
| TheBigClash | can anybody help me? | 03:28 |
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| CIA-19 | migration-assistant: evand * r56 migration-assistant/ (9 files in 2 dirs): | 09:21 |
| CIA-19 | migration-assistant: * Close directories in ma-search-users. | 09:21 |
| CIA-19 | migration-assistant: * Don't unmount devices when we can avoid having to. | 09:21 |
| CIA-19 | migration-assistant: * Look for registry files case-insensitively. | 09:21 |
| CIA-19 | migration-assistant: evand * r57 migration-assistant/ (import.c ma-ask search-items.c utils.c utils.h): Minor fixes in previous case-insensitive registry locations commit. Also make use of it in search items.c | 09:49 |
| glledo | cjwatson evand : I've been trying to get partman-crypto working with ubiquity, I've created a LP branch, if you want to take a look: https://code.launchpad.net/~glledo/ubiquity/ubiquity.crypto | 09:59 |
| cjwatson | glledo: I'd like to look, but http://geeksynapse.net/repo/ubiquity.crypto/ returns HTTP 404 so LP can't mirror the branch | 11:29 |
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| dns_56 | i have a bug with software raid and the ubuntu installer, i have fedora installed correctly and it has software raid 5 but ubuntu does not detect it | 12:13 |
| cjwatson | please file a bug, I think it's going to be too hard to diagnose on IRC | 12:24 |
| cjwatson | make sure to attach the /var/log/syslog and /var/log/partman files; you can go back to the installer main menu and use "save debug logs" to extract those | 12:25 |
| cjwatson | partman-md would be an appropriate package to file the bug on | 12:25 |
| cjwatson | I'm assuming you're using the alternate install CD and not the desktop CD | 12:25 |
| dns_56 | tried both, the bug is in feisty as well but not in fedora | 12:25 |
| cjwatson | the desktop CD does not support RAID, so please don't bother trying that | 12:26 |
| cjwatson | I would welcome a report from the gutsy alternate install CD with the appropriate logs | 12:26 |
| dns_56 | i do not know a huge ammount about raid, what info is going to be useful? | 12:27 |
| cjwatson | 11:25 <cjwatson> make sure to attach the /var/log/syslog and /var/log/partman files; you can go back to the installer main menu and use "save debug logs" to extract those | 12:28 |
| cjwatson | that information | 12:28 |
| dns_56 | ok i will do that in a few minutes | 12:28 |
| glledo | cjwatson: I've changed the webserver to index, at least I can see the code now with the Browse Code LP thing | 12:39 |
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| cr3 | cjwatson: hi, would you have a minute to help diagnose an installation problem I'm encountering with a custom image generated by fabbione? | 03:10 |
| cjwatson | cr3: sure | 03:14 |
| cr3 | cjwatson: if I get "No volume groups found", that means the hard drive is not detected right? | 03:20 |
| cjwatson | no, that means no LVM volume groups were found. Ignore it if you weren't expecting to have LVM; the log message is just a consequence of one of the commands run in the process of starting up partman | 03:23 |
| cjwatson | d-i is unfortunately noisier in the logs than it should be sometimes | 03:24 |
| cr3 | cjwatson: hm, the installation is stopping with a blue screen (the usual blue background) and I'm trying to isolate the problem. I'll have a second look at syslog | 03:26 |
| cr3 | cjwatson: the installation stops shortly after detecting hardware and the highest pid on the machine is running /lib/partman/automatically_partition/10resize | 03:33 |
| cjwatson | cr3: would like a copy of /var/log/partman then | 03:40 |
| cjwatson | it may have made an invalid parted_server request and got stuck | 03:40 |
| cjwatson | that can happen if e.g. one of the arguments is empty by accident | 03:40 |
| cjwatson | parted_server's protocol handling isn't too clever :( | 03:40 |
| glledo | cjwatson: I changed the branch so now it's hosted in LP: https://code.launchpad.net/~glledo/ubiquity/ubiquity-crypto | 03:51 |
| cjwatson | thanks, will try | 03:52 |
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| cr3 | cjwatson: I finally got networking up on the machine to grab partman but httpd is not there. where can I find that shell script to invoke nc with the proper arguments? | 04:11 |
| cjwatson | cr3: probably easier to just 'anna-install openssh-client-udeb' and scp it out | 04:22 |
| cr3 | cjwatson: that outputs a bunch of blanks and returns 0, which might indicate the command completed successfully, but there's no ssh nor scp command | 04:27 |
| cjwatson | please check again, there really should be | 04:39 |
| cjwatson | unless you ran it very early on, before the "retrieving additional components" step of the installer (which is also before partman!) | 04:39 |
| cr3 | cjwatson: yep, I didn't see that step go by | 04:47 |
| cr3 | cjwatson: $bestpart is set to none in /lib/partman/automatically_partition/10resize_use_free/choices | 05:10 |
| cjwatson | yes ...? | 05:11 |
| cjwatson | 'nc -l -p RANDOMPORT >partman' should be enough on the server side | 05:12 |
| cr3 | cjwatson: I still can't get /var/log/partman from the system, so I've been trying to diagnose the problem myself. the last line in the log file is: /lib/partman/automatically_partition/10resize_use_free/choices: IN: PARTITIONS parted_server: Read command: PARTITIONS | 05:12 |
| cjwatson | 'nc SERVERHOSTNAME SAMERANDOMPORT </var/log/partman' on the client side | 05:12 |
| cjwatson | also same with /var/log/syslog in case parted_server fell over and whined there | 05:13 |
| cr3 | cjwatson: so, I looked at the script and tried running it manually. I get a bunch of blanks so I ran the script again with set -o xtrace. | 05:13 |
| cjwatson | check whether the parted_server process is still running | 05:13 |
| cjwatson | no no no no don't run it manually you'll break stuff | 05:13 |
| cjwatson | if you did that, please reboot and reproduce it cleanly | 05:13 |
| cr3 | yes, the parted_server is still running | 05:13 |
| cr3 | cjwatson: emailed both syslog and partman logfiles | 05:19 |
| cr3 | I also sent the dmesg and lsmod output, in case it might be useful | 05:22 |
| cjwatson | thanks, but dmesg is included in syslog and lsmod usually isn't needed | 05:22 |
| cr3 | cjwatson: I suspect that the problem is that no storage device is being detected, ie ls /dev/sd* /dev/hd* doesn't show anything | 05:27 |
| cjwatson | cr3: just how custom is this installer? | 05:29 |
| cr3 | cjwatson: the installation process installs a base.sqfs, chroot-initrd and chroot-vmlinuz instead of installing a bunch of packages | 05:30 |
| cjwatson | cr3: sounds rather like: | 05:32 |
| cjwatson | partman-auto (54ubuntu2) edgy; urgency=low | 05:32 |
| cjwatson | * Fix hang on partman startup if no disks are present. | 05:32 |
| cjwatson | -- Colin Watson <cjwatson@ubuntu.com> Tue, 18 Jul 2006 15:25:30 +0100 | 05:32 |
| cr3 | cjwatson: ok, so now I need to figure out how to detect the disk considering the feisty live image detects it properly | 05:33 |
| cjwatson | yes, definitely | 05:33 |
| cjwatson | the PARTITIONS command is supposed to be followed by the id of the disk; parted_server is stuck waiting for that to arrive | 05:33 |
| cjwatson | r194 of bzr+ssh://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/partman-auto/ubuntu/ fixes this | 05:33 |
| cjwatson | cr3: right, that would be a kernel question ... | 05:34 |
| cr3 | cjwatson: I suspect the vmlinuz and initrd used for my installation is not up-to-date. so, I'm trying to make -d build_netboot from the debian-installer root | 05:36 |
| cjwatson | sourced from which release? | 05:36 |
| cr3 | I should source it from gutsy because my target image is for gutsy | 05:38 |
| cjwatson | err, but the kernel is 2.6.15? | 05:38 |
| cjwatson | according to your log | 05:38 |
| cjwatson | I updated d-i for gutsy yesterday or so, so it should be bang up-to-date | 05:38 |
| cr3 | cjwatson: that's just for the installer, but the system being installed is gutsy | 05:39 |
| cjwatson | blink, I wouldn't guarantee that gutsy d-i will work with the 2.6.15 kernel | 05:43 |
| cr3 | cjwatson: I successfully did make -d build_netboot, so I'll try the generated initrd.gz and vmlinuz | 05:54 |
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| cr3 | cjwatson: where should the initrd.gz reside after running make build_monolithic in debian-installer? | 06:24 |
| cjwatson | cr3: dest/monolithic/initrd.gz I think | 06:25 |
| cr3 | it seems to be generated under netboot directories so I'm wondering if that's normal or if that's a result of my previous runs of make_netboot | 06:26 |
| cr3 | darn, no monolithic subdirectory under dest | 06:26 |
| cjwatson | the latter | 06:26 |
| cjwatson | then it probably failed | 06:26 |
| cr3 | that's probably because of the pkg-lists I specified for monolithic, lets try removing that | 06:30 |
| cr3 | hm, the dest directory isn't even created after running: apt-get source debian-installer; cd debian-installer-20070308ubuntu9/build; make build_monolithic | 06:33 |
| cr3 | I wish make -d provide more readable output | 06:35 |
| cjwatson | why would you use make -d here? | 06:37 |
| cr3 | because nothing is happening, so I'd like to enable debugging to understand why | 06:37 |
| cjwatson | it's only useful for relatively unusual makefile debugging. The regular output of the makefile is probably much more helpful if not obscured by insane amounts of -d | 06:37 |
| cjwatson | oh, you need to uncomment monolithic in build/config/i386.cfg or whatever it is | 06:38 |
| cjwatson | monolithic is only for installer developers (modulo fabbione being crazy and thinking it's a good idea to ship it) so it's not turned on by default | 06:38 |
| cr3 | cjwatson: cheers! the problem was that I wasn't getting any output at all | 06:38 |
| cr3 | cjwatson: ok, I'm getting close. I'm now getting: finish-install: Depends: installed-base but it is not installable | 06:43 |
| cr3 | cjwatson: apt-cache search is not returning anything for finish-install, so where is that package coming from? | 06:44 |
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| cjwatson | cr3: apt-cache search doesn't return anything for any udeb | 06:59 |
| cjwatson | cr3: that's due to the base-installer in gutsy being too old, anyway; I'll look at fixing that | 07:00 |
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| phracker | help | 07:41 |
| phracker | hehhe | 07:41 |
| cjwatson | phracker: please ask your question rather than asking for general help | 07:42 |
| phracker | ok | 07:42 |
| phracker | here is my issue | 07:42 |
| phracker | when I attempt to dpkg -i webmin I get errors | 07:42 |
| phracker | jkennebe@Nix1:~$ sudo dpkg -i webmin_1.350_all.deb | 07:42 |
| evand | phracker: This is not a support channel. Please see #ubuntu. | 07:43 |
| cjwatson | this channel is just for matters relating to initial installation of Ubuntu; general package installation help is more appropriate for #ubuntu | 07:43 |
| phracker | well I just figured that you maybe have more information | 07:43 |
| phracker | I will try that chan thanks | 07:44 |
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| cjwatson | no slight to individuals intended; while it's possible that we know the answer, I'd rather that this channel didn't turn into #ubuntu as then we won't be able to get anything done :-) | 07:46 |
| cjwatson | (I'm happy to do small bits of installer support as that often results in interesting bug-fixes) | 07:46 |
| evand | Is there anything special about Vietnamese as a locale? This bug doesn't occur when using any other language. | 07:47 |
| cjwatson | oh, have you reproduced it? | 07:48 |
| evand | oh yeah, it's simple | 07:48 |
| evand | just install with vietnamese :) | 07:48 |
| evand | you'll hit it every time | 07:48 |
| cjwatson | well, it's UTF-8 without having .UTF-8 on the end of its locale name, but it's not unique in that | 07:49 |
| cjwatson | (unusual, but not unique) | 07:49 |
| evand | I'm surprised we didn't hear about this sooner. | 07:49 |
| cjwatson | its legacy character encoding (TCVN5712-1) isn't used by anything else; perhaps it's ended up in the legacy encoding by accident? | 07:49 |
| evand | hrmm | 07:50 |
| cjwatson | that would be vi_VN.TCVN rather than vi_VN | 07:50 |
| phracker | how do you disable sudo | 07:52 |
| cjwatson | cf. also localechooser 0.27ubuntu17 | 07:53 |
| cjwatson | phracker: at install time? use expert mode and opt to create a root user | 07:53 |
| cjwatson | phracker: at any other time, just set a password for the root user | 07:53 |
| evand | cjwatson: indeed, thanks for reminding me. That was on the list of things to try in my head but had since slipped my mind. | 07:56 |
| evand | cjwatson: wait, why localechooser from dapper and not edgy? | 07:58 |
| cjwatson | evand: the changelog for that revision, I mean | 07:58 |
| evand | ahhh | 07:58 |
| cjwatson | interesting Vietnamese-related bug | 07:58 |
| phracker | thanks cjwatson | 08:02 |
| cr3 | cjwatson: is there a workaround to the base-installer in gutsy being too old? | 08:04 |
| cjwatson | cr3: the workaround is the version of base-installer I'm about to upload ... | 08:05 |
| cjwatson | I'm surprised that actually broke anything though, as I'm not getting swarms of complaints about it being broken | 08:06 |
| cr3 | cjwatson: I'm only getting that for monolithic though, netboot works fine. so maybe you didn't get any complaints because fabbione is on vacation :) | 08:08 |
| cjwatson | ah, could be that monolithic objects, yes | 08:08 |
| cjwatson | its dependency resolution is less permissive because it uses apt-get rather than anna to do the job | 08:09 |
| cjwatson | cr3: uploaded; try again in a few hours | 08:11 |
| evand | cjwatson: you're quite good at finding the cause of bugs without even looking at them: | 08:13 |
| evand | /target/etc/environment: LANG="vi_VN.TCVN" | 08:14 |
| cjwatson | ha! | 08:16 |
| cjwatson | just practice, you develop intuition after a while. you OK with tracking down the fix from there? | 08:16 |
| evand | indeed, thanks for the kick in the right direction | 08:17 |
| cjwatson | no worries | 08:18 |
| phracker | I have come to the conclusion that I am a moron | 08:29 |
| phracker | why didnt I know about aptitude | 08:29 |
| phracker | ugh | 08:29 |
| phracker | that made things alot easier | 08:29 |
| phracker | =| | 08:29 |
| phracker | and I dont have to get rid of sudo | 08:30 |
| phracker | do you guys know if there is a "tightvnc" application that I could use | 08:30 |
| phracker | oh nevermind | 08:30 |
| phracker | duh I am using ssh | 08:30 |
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| cr3 | when trying to build monolithic on feisty, I get: E: Couldn't find package acpi-modules-2.6.20-16-generic-di | 10:09 |
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| cr3 | I found that the pool was containing 2.6.20-15, so I downloaded that to the localudebs directory. however, now I'm getting errors about ext2-modules package | 10:37 |
| cr3 | evand: would you happen to know where the packages for ext2-modules, ext3-modules, jfs-modules, etc. are located? | 10:53 |
| evand | cr3: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/l/linux-source-2.6.22/ ? | 11:06 |
| cr3 | evand: partman-basicfilesystems seems to depend on ext2-modules, but it's nowwhere to be found even in that url | 11:10 |
| cr3 | evand: that's weird, the linux-source-2.6.15 repository contains the ext2-modules but the later repositories don't | 11:20 |
| cr3 | evand: I wonder if the module has been superceeded by something else and it's just the partman dependencies which haven't been updated | 11:20 |
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| evand | hrm | 11:28 |
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| evand | fs-core-modules | 11:33 |
| cr3 | evand: do you think I could modify partman-basicfilesystems to depend on that instead of ext2-modules? | 11:37 |
| cr3 | evand: I also changed pkg-list/standard-udebs to only require partman-basicfilesystems amongst the partman-* packages. seems to be running now, but this is feeling freaky hacky | 11:43 |
| cr3 | Segmentation fault (core dumped) | 11:45 |
| cr3 | Command failed with status 139 : mklibs-readelf --print-rpath ./tmp/monolithic/tree/bin/ld_static | 11:45 |
| cr3 | that was on gutsy, trying on feisty now | 11:52 |
| evand | I may be wrong about the fs-core-modules thing, but I somewhat recall a changelog entry a while back about some sort of shuffle involving the base filesystems. Or it could be a false memory. | 11:59 |
| cr3 | feisty seems to have generated something, now to see if it works | 11:59 |
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