[12:25] superm1: yes but others helped to, I am ago on the forum [12:25] xivulon, well then perhaps i should speak to you after mythbuntu's first release regarding getting us in it [12:26] superm1, at the moment what is required is a metalink file pointing to an alternate ISO [12:26] you can reuse one of the metalink files we provide [12:26] xivulon, well we're not going to have an alternate iso unfortunately [12:26] at least not this release [12:26] or use a metalink editor [12:27] superm1 then you'll have to wait for cjwatson and evand to allow preseeding in ubiquity so that the livecd can be used, possibly should be done by 7.10 [12:27] right [12:28] oh, it will be :) [12:28] well we have a variety of other options that would need to be preseeded as well [12:28] so i think wubi would need a few more pages for those options [12:28] ps I sent a reply to cjwatson on the ml, I am interested in comments on the second part of the email [12:29] superm1, the idea of wubi is to have a 1 click installer. and by 1 click I mean 1 click, not 2 or 3 [12:29] ahhhhh, that explains the latter two changes [12:30] evand yep [12:30] xivulon, i see. well the problem is that we account for options in hardware selection [12:30] during install [12:30] such as a remote and tuners [12:30] sorry at the time I looked for malone in m-a, then I forgot to notify you [12:31] superm1: what about having a reasonable config and have the rest at first boot? [12:31] great! I'll fix that bug and apply the changes for dealing with already mounted filesystems, provided I can make the use case of previous partitions of a separate /home and / that are already mounted still work [12:31] xivulon, that's a possibility. one of our specs allows for it at least via our control centre [12:31] evand thx [12:32] i'll get back to you after its implemented [12:32] and we can talk a little more about this [12:32] superm1: quick OT question, why does not mythtv use mysql (at least some versions ago')? [12:32] I mean sqlite [12:33] I have always thought that lots of complications where due to the use of mysql as opposed to sqlite [12:33] xivulon, developers choice to originally use mysql, and there has been no effort towards sqlite at this point [12:34] I think they should use sqlite ;P [12:34] a lot of the original complications on the ubuntu packages were mysql related, but i've massaged the packaging as much as i could to prevent users from messing things up with it [12:35] i agree though, i think there should be multiple options: sqllite, postgres, mysql, etc [12:35] just a matter of the effort involved to do so [12:35] To be honest I think they should just use sqlite, there is little point in choosing a db in a media server, and most other dbs are probably an overkill. [12:36] considering the tickets they had to answer because of mysql it is probably a worthy investment [12:37] does sqlite scale well to many machines, or only to a local app? [12:40] used to be only local app, not sure if they managed to improve the locking system. But do you really need multiple backend servers? [12:41] well i use 2 [12:41] and i have remote frontends [12:41] i'm not sure how common that is though [12:42] Yep but all the data could be in one backend anyway, even singlethreaded [12:42] anyway that's ot [12:42] ya [12:43] evand do you know if anyone plans to come on board and help with the wubi front-end? [12:43] i'd say bring it up in #mythtv, but i know what the result will be. "You want a feature, submit a patch, or put it on the wiki page, and maybe someone will do it" [12:44] superm1: I wish I could help, but I have not much time for that, the little I have I am using on wubi [12:44] :) [12:47] xivulon: I'm tempted to, provided I can find some free time. What needs to be done, exactly? [12:48] improve the download manager, we need segmented downloads [12:49] improve keyboard detection [12:49] xivulon, currently does it use bittorrent to do it? Or just http? [12:49] http, but with a few features [12:49] we used to have bittorrent, but it was clunky [12:49] it required python and a few users had issues with it [12:49] as far as our use of wubi is concerned, I was imagining that we'd just ship it on the CD, which would mean that wouldn't be so much of an issue [12:49] hi cjwatson [12:50] hi, going to bed soon so nothing complicated please :) [12:50] np long day here, my brain is melting (more than usual) [12:51] I sent you a reply, you already answered a bit === cjwatson [n=cjwatson@82-69-40-219.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-installer === superm1 [n=superm1@ubuntu/member/superm1] has joined #ubuntu-installer === catunda [n=catunda@189.24.182.127] has joined #ubuntu-installer === avoine [n=avoine@modemcable003.251-59-74.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-installer === mpt [n=mpt@121-72-130-73.dsl.telstraclear.net] has joined #ubuntu-installer === xivulon [n=ago@87-194-85-156.bethere.co.uk] has left #ubuntu-installer [] === TheBigClash [n=TheBigCl@89-180-140-20.net.novis.pt] has joined #ubuntu-installer [03:26] hello [03:27] i have a problem with installing ubuntu [03:28] can anybody help me? === avoine [n=avoine@modemcable003.251-59-74.mc.videotron.ca] has left #ubuntu-installer [] === mpt [n=mpt@121-72-130-73.dsl.telstraclear.net] has joined #ubuntu-installer === cjwatson [n=cjwatson@82-69-40-219.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-installer [09:21] migration-assistant: evand * r56 migration-assistant/ (9 files in 2 dirs): [09:21] migration-assistant: * Close directories in ma-search-users. [09:21] migration-assistant: * Don't unmount devices when we can avoid having to. [09:21] migration-assistant: * Look for registry files case-insensitively. [09:49] migration-assistant: evand * r57 migration-assistant/ (import.c ma-ask search-items.c utils.c utils.h): Minor fixes in previous case-insensitive registry locations commit. Also make use of it in search items.c [09:59] cjwatson evand : I've been trying to get partman-crypto working with ubiquity, I've created a LP branch, if you want to take a look: https://code.launchpad.net/~glledo/ubiquity/ubiquity.crypto [11:29] glledo: I'd like to look, but http://geeksynapse.net/repo/ubiquity.crypto/ returns HTTP 404 so LP can't mirror the branch === dns_56 [n=dns@ppp246-215.static.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-installer [12:13] i have a bug with software raid and the ubuntu installer, i have fedora installed correctly and it has software raid 5 but ubuntu does not detect it [12:24] please file a bug, I think it's going to be too hard to diagnose on IRC [12:25] make sure to attach the /var/log/syslog and /var/log/partman files; you can go back to the installer main menu and use "save debug logs" to extract those [12:25] partman-md would be an appropriate package to file the bug on [12:25] I'm assuming you're using the alternate install CD and not the desktop CD [12:25] tried both, the bug is in feisty as well but not in fedora [12:26] the desktop CD does not support RAID, so please don't bother trying that [12:26] I would welcome a report from the gutsy alternate install CD with the appropriate logs [12:27] i do not know a huge ammount about raid, what info is going to be useful? [12:28] 11:25 make sure to attach the /var/log/syslog and /var/log/partman files; you can go back to the installer main menu and use "save debug logs" to extract those [12:28] that information [12:28] ok i will do that in a few minutes [12:39] cjwatson: I've changed the webserver to index, at least I can see the code now with the Browse Code LP thing === dns_56 [n=dns@ppp246-215.static.internode.on.net] has left #ubuntu-installer ["Leaving"] === cjwatson [n=cjwatson@82-69-40-219.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-installer === cr3 [n=marc@modemcable178.77-70-69.static.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-installer [03:10] cjwatson: hi, would you have a minute to help diagnose an installation problem I'm encountering with a custom image generated by fabbione? [03:14] cr3: sure [03:20] cjwatson: if I get "No volume groups found", that means the hard drive is not detected right? [03:23] no, that means no LVM volume groups were found. Ignore it if you weren't expecting to have LVM; the log message is just a consequence of one of the commands run in the process of starting up partman [03:24] d-i is unfortunately noisier in the logs than it should be sometimes [03:26] cjwatson: hm, the installation is stopping with a blue screen (the usual blue background) and I'm trying to isolate the problem. I'll have a second look at syslog [03:33] cjwatson: the installation stops shortly after detecting hardware and the highest pid on the machine is running /lib/partman/automatically_partition/10resize [03:40] cr3: would like a copy of /var/log/partman then [03:40] it may have made an invalid parted_server request and got stuck [03:40] that can happen if e.g. one of the arguments is empty by accident [03:40] parted_server's protocol handling isn't too clever :( [03:51] cjwatson: I changed the branch so now it's hosted in LP: https://code.launchpad.net/~glledo/ubiquity/ubiquity-crypto [03:52] thanks, will try === avoine [n=avoine@69.70.0.36] has joined #ubuntu-installer [04:11] cjwatson: I finally got networking up on the machine to grab partman but httpd is not there. where can I find that shell script to invoke nc with the proper arguments? [04:22] cr3: probably easier to just 'anna-install openssh-client-udeb' and scp it out [04:27] cjwatson: that outputs a bunch of blanks and returns 0, which might indicate the command completed successfully, but there's no ssh nor scp command [04:39] please check again, there really should be [04:39] unless you ran it very early on, before the "retrieving additional components" step of the installer (which is also before partman!) [04:47] cjwatson: yep, I didn't see that step go by [05:10] cjwatson: $bestpart is set to none in /lib/partman/automatically_partition/10resize_use_free/choices [05:11] yes ...? [05:12] 'nc -l -p RANDOMPORT >partman' should be enough on the server side [05:12] cjwatson: I still can't get /var/log/partman from the system, so I've been trying to diagnose the problem myself. the last line in the log file is: /lib/partman/automatically_partition/10resize_use_free/choices: IN: PARTITIONS parted_server: Read command: PARTITIONS [05:12] 'nc SERVERHOSTNAME SAMERANDOMPORT also same with /var/log/syslog in case parted_server fell over and whined there [05:13] cjwatson: so, I looked at the script and tried running it manually. I get a bunch of blanks so I ran the script again with set -o xtrace. [05:13] check whether the parted_server process is still running [05:13] no no no no don't run it manually you'll break stuff [05:13] if you did that, please reboot and reproduce it cleanly [05:13] yes, the parted_server is still running [05:19] cjwatson: emailed both syslog and partman logfiles [05:22] I also sent the dmesg and lsmod output, in case it might be useful [05:22] thanks, but dmesg is included in syslog and lsmod usually isn't needed [05:27] cjwatson: I suspect that the problem is that no storage device is being detected, ie ls /dev/sd* /dev/hd* doesn't show anything [05:29] cr3: just how custom is this installer? [05:30] cjwatson: the installation process installs a base.sqfs, chroot-initrd and chroot-vmlinuz instead of installing a bunch of packages [05:32] cr3: sounds rather like: [05:32] partman-auto (54ubuntu2) edgy; urgency=low [05:32] * Fix hang on partman startup if no disks are present. [05:32] -- Colin Watson Tue, 18 Jul 2006 15:25:30 +0100 [05:33] cjwatson: ok, so now I need to figure out how to detect the disk considering the feisty live image detects it properly [05:33] yes, definitely [05:33] the PARTITIONS command is supposed to be followed by the id of the disk; parted_server is stuck waiting for that to arrive [05:33] r194 of bzr+ssh://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/partman-auto/ubuntu/ fixes this [05:34] cr3: right, that would be a kernel question ... [05:36] cjwatson: I suspect the vmlinuz and initrd used for my installation is not up-to-date. so, I'm trying to make -d build_netboot from the debian-installer root [05:36] sourced from which release? [05:38] I should source it from gutsy because my target image is for gutsy [05:38] err, but the kernel is 2.6.15? [05:38] according to your log [05:38] I updated d-i for gutsy yesterday or so, so it should be bang up-to-date [05:39] cjwatson: that's just for the installer, but the system being installed is gutsy [05:43] blink, I wouldn't guarantee that gutsy d-i will work with the 2.6.15 kernel [05:54] cjwatson: I successfully did make -d build_netboot, so I'll try the generated initrd.gz and vmlinuz === superm1 [i=malimonc@ubuntu/member/superm1] has joined #ubuntu-installer [06:24] cjwatson: where should the initrd.gz reside after running make build_monolithic in debian-installer? [06:25] cr3: dest/monolithic/initrd.gz I think [06:26] it seems to be generated under netboot directories so I'm wondering if that's normal or if that's a result of my previous runs of make_netboot [06:26] darn, no monolithic subdirectory under dest [06:26] the latter [06:26] then it probably failed [06:30] that's probably because of the pkg-lists I specified for monolithic, lets try removing that [06:33] hm, the dest directory isn't even created after running: apt-get source debian-installer; cd debian-installer-20070308ubuntu9/build; make build_monolithic [06:35] I wish make -d provide more readable output [06:37] why would you use make -d here? [06:37] because nothing is happening, so I'd like to enable debugging to understand why [06:37] it's only useful for relatively unusual makefile debugging. The regular output of the makefile is probably much more helpful if not obscured by insane amounts of -d [06:38] oh, you need to uncomment monolithic in build/config/i386.cfg or whatever it is [06:38] monolithic is only for installer developers (modulo fabbione being crazy and thinking it's a good idea to ship it) so it's not turned on by default [06:38] cjwatson: cheers! the problem was that I wasn't getting any output at all [06:43] cjwatson: ok, I'm getting close. I'm now getting: finish-install: Depends: installed-base but it is not installable [06:44] cjwatson: apt-cache search is not returning anything for finish-install, so where is that package coming from? === cr3 steps out for lunch [06:59] cr3: apt-cache search doesn't return anything for any udeb [07:00] cr3: that's due to the base-installer in gutsy being too old, anyway; I'll look at fixing that === phracker [n=yahoo@d53-64-150-162.nap.wideopenwest.com] has joined #ubuntu-installer [07:41] help [07:41] hehhe [07:42] phracker: please ask your question rather than asking for general help [07:42] ok [07:42] here is my issue [07:42] when I attempt to dpkg -i webmin I get errors [07:42] jkennebe@Nix1:~$ sudo dpkg -i webmin_1.350_all.deb [07:43] phracker: This is not a support channel. Please see #ubuntu. [07:43] this channel is just for matters relating to initial installation of Ubuntu; general package installation help is more appropriate for #ubuntu [07:43] well I just figured that you maybe have more information [07:44] I will try that chan thanks === blackskad [n=blackska@d54C4A53D.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-installer [07:46] no slight to individuals intended; while it's possible that we know the answer, I'd rather that this channel didn't turn into #ubuntu as then we won't be able to get anything done :-) [07:46] (I'm happy to do small bits of installer support as that often results in interesting bug-fixes) [07:47] Is there anything special about Vietnamese as a locale? This bug doesn't occur when using any other language. [07:48] oh, have you reproduced it? [07:48] oh yeah, it's simple [07:48] just install with vietnamese :) [07:48] you'll hit it every time [07:49] well, it's UTF-8 without having .UTF-8 on the end of its locale name, but it's not unique in that [07:49] (unusual, but not unique) [07:49] I'm surprised we didn't hear about this sooner. [07:49] its legacy character encoding (TCVN5712-1) isn't used by anything else; perhaps it's ended up in the legacy encoding by accident? [07:50] hrmm [07:50] that would be vi_VN.TCVN rather than vi_VN [07:52] how do you disable sudo [07:53] cf. also localechooser 0.27ubuntu17 [07:53] phracker: at install time? use expert mode and opt to create a root user [07:53] phracker: at any other time, just set a password for the root user [07:56] cjwatson: indeed, thanks for reminding me. That was on the list of things to try in my head but had since slipped my mind. [07:58] cjwatson: wait, why localechooser from dapper and not edgy? [07:58] evand: the changelog for that revision, I mean [07:58] ahhh [07:58] interesting Vietnamese-related bug [08:02] thanks cjwatson [08:04] cjwatson: is there a workaround to the base-installer in gutsy being too old? [08:05] cr3: the workaround is the version of base-installer I'm about to upload ... [08:06] I'm surprised that actually broke anything though, as I'm not getting swarms of complaints about it being broken [08:08] cjwatson: I'm only getting that for monolithic though, netboot works fine. so maybe you didn't get any complaints because fabbione is on vacation :) [08:08] ah, could be that monolithic objects, yes [08:09] its dependency resolution is less permissive because it uses apt-get rather than anna to do the job [08:11] cr3: uploaded; try again in a few hours [08:13] cjwatson: you're quite good at finding the cause of bugs without even looking at them: [08:14] /target/etc/environment: LANG="vi_VN.TCVN" [08:16] ha! [08:16] just practice, you develop intuition after a while. you OK with tracking down the fix from there? [08:17] indeed, thanks for the kick in the right direction [08:18] no worries [08:29] I have come to the conclusion that I am a moron [08:29] why didnt I know about aptitude [08:29] ugh [08:29] that made things alot easier [08:29] =| [08:30] and I dont have to get rid of sudo [08:30] do you guys know if there is a "tightvnc" application that I could use [08:30] oh nevermind [08:30] duh I am using ssh === phracker sits back to think for a change === phracker is now known as jkennebe === jkennebe [n=yahoo@d53-64-150-162.nap.wideopenwest.com] has left #ubuntu-installer [] === xivulon [n=ago@87-194-85-156.bethere.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-installer [10:09] when trying to build monolithic on feisty, I get: E: Couldn't find package acpi-modules-2.6.20-16-generic-di === xivulon [n=ago@87-194-85-156.bethere.co.uk] has left #ubuntu-installer [] [10:37] I found that the pool was containing 2.6.20-15, so I downloaded that to the localudebs directory. however, now I'm getting errors about ext2-modules package [10:53] evand: would you happen to know where the packages for ext2-modules, ext3-modules, jfs-modules, etc. are located? [11:06] cr3: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/l/linux-source-2.6.22/ ? [11:10] evand: partman-basicfilesystems seems to depend on ext2-modules, but it's nowwhere to be found even in that url [11:20] evand: that's weird, the linux-source-2.6.15 repository contains the ext2-modules but the later repositories don't [11:20] evand: I wonder if the module has been superceeded by something else and it's just the partman dependencies which haven't been updated === avoine [n=avoine@69.70.0.36] has left #ubuntu-installer [] [11:28] hrm === cjwatson_ [n=cjwatson@82-69-40-219.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-installer [11:33] fs-core-modules [11:37] evand: do you think I could modify partman-basicfilesystems to depend on that instead of ext2-modules? [11:43] evand: I also changed pkg-list/standard-udebs to only require partman-basicfilesystems amongst the partman-* packages. seems to be running now, but this is feeling freaky hacky [11:45] Segmentation fault (core dumped) [11:45] Command failed with status 139 : mklibs-readelf --print-rpath ./tmp/monolithic/tree/bin/ld_static [11:52] that was on gutsy, trying on feisty now [11:59] I may be wrong about the fs-core-modules thing, but I somewhat recall a changelog entry a while back about some sort of shuffle involving the base filesystems. Or it could be a false memory. [11:59] feisty seems to have generated something, now to see if it works