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Riddellelcuco: kubuntu.org doesn't use drupal12:22
Riddellelcuco: details on how to upload to revu are at https://wiki.kubuntu.org/MOTU/Packages/REVU12:23
Riddelllet us know if you get stuck12:23
elcucoRiddell: i should ask at #ubuntu-devel, since i want the brown theme for drupal :)12:24
Riddellelcuco: newz2000 is the guy to ask12:24
elcucothanks (he is offline atm)12:25
mhbryanakca: I actually look forward to the day someone gets epiphany and finally creates a simple browser for KDE12:25
elcucokonqueror is simple enough :)12:26
mhbelcuco: it is quite simple, but I'd love a faster one, that does browsing well and that's all.12:26
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ryanakcaUmm. can someone 'apt-get source kcontrol && cd kdebase-3.5.7/kcontrol/componentchooser && ls' and tell me if you see anything for selecting the IM client?12:51
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mhbRiddell: so if you don't mind my english, I'll do them12:55
Riddellmhb: thanks12:55
Riddellthat would be wonderful12:55
nixternalRiddell: I will take care of the minutes right now12:56
mhbnixternal: no, I was here first :o)12:56
nixternaloh, are you going to do it?12:57
nixternaloh..I just now noticed that..sorry12:57
nixternalthanks mhb12:57
mhbnixternal: you can do those for the meeting before12:57
mhb:o)12:57
nixternalhaha, ya I will do those I guess :)12:57
mhbnixternal: nobody seemed to volunteer then12:57
nixternalmhb: I was voluntold by Hobbsee and forgot about them12:58
nixternalso if I get them done, maybe I can get a cookie :)12:58
RiddellI baked these cookies myself by the way01:00
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fdovingreally tasty :)01:04
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yuriyhi, anything interesting happen at the meeting?01:06
mhbis it me or is the logging daemon buggy?01:10
mhbhttp://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs/ubuntu-meeting-2007-07-31.html01:10
ScottKRiddell: Speaking of clamav backports, Bug 129252 is waiting for attention if you're in the mood (rushing isn't critical if you aren't).01:25
ubotuLaunchpad bug 129252 in feisty-backports "Please backport clamav 0.91.1-1ubuntu2 from Gutsy to Feisty" [Wishlist,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/12925201:25
mhbyuriy: not much :o)01:45
nixternalOK, Hobbsee will be happy, I have put up the 2007-07-04 minutes01:46
nixternalback in a bit...dinner time01:46
n8k99nixternal: sorry i didnt get to hang while in chi-tonw01:49
mhbnixternal: well, you could at least put the decisions there, so they are easy to track :o)01:49
ryanakcaHmmm. Anything to add to the topic while I'm at it?02:02
mhbI find it amusing that few people discovered the preview feature in dolphin :o)02:20
ryanakcapreview feature?02:20
ryanakcamhb: like the preview button at the top, in the tool bar?02:21
mhbryanakca: yeah02:21
ryanakcahehe :)02:21
mhbryanakca: tonio and jr seemed to be convinced that it doesn't exist at first02:22
ryanakcaheehee :)02:23
=== ryanakca wonders if there's already a dolphin <-> konqueror patch for system settings/kcontrol... and if not, how hard it would be to create one.
mhbRiddell: minutes ready, the irc logs are rather long but the logging daemon has some issues so I used my own logs. Also the Meetings page is cleaned up.02:32
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mhbryanakca: it'd be cool to have that02:33
=== ryanakca nods
ryanakcait'd be an interesting first-patch for me :)02:34
mhbryanakca: go for it02:36
=== ryanakca nods. Umm. one thing, mind helping me find the sources? I see Email, Web browser, and Terminal in kdebase-3.5.7/kcontrol/componentchooser/componentchooser.cpp ... but not the other two
mhbokay02:37
mhbgrep found something at:02:40
mhbkdelibs/interfaces/texteditor/kcm_texteditor.desktop02:41
ryanakcahmm. kdelibs, never checked it :)02:41
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mhbit's ktexteditor02:43
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mhbryanakca: is a simple .desktop file like that all it takes for that app?02:43
mhbryanakca: well, of course, the bad side is someone has to make the apps obey it :o)02:44
ryanakcamhb: it's kdelibs-3.5.7/interfaces/ktexteditor/editorchooser*02:45
ryanakca[.cpp,.h,_ui.ui] 02:45
ryanakcamethinks this'll be harder than he thought :)02:46
mhbryanakca: it always is02:46
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nixternalhey, <qlist.h> - wth qt release is that?04:11
nixternalI locate it under the qt4 dir04:11
nixternalbut when I run through the configure files, all tests check for qt <4.004:12
nixternalthis keyboard app is horrible04:12
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nixternalRiddell: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=6297   <- kvkbd package05:39
crimsunnixternal: the compat-headers package for Qt3 provides it, too.05:41
nixternaldoes it05:41
nixternalOK, I thought I tried that05:41
nixternaltesting it now05:43
nixternalcrimsun: thanks for that, it worked...so I guess I didn't try that05:46
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crimsun 9999  dlocate qlist.h05:47
crimsun10000  apt-cache show libqt3-compat-headers05:47
crimsun:-)05:47
nixternalya, I used apt-file to search for it, and must have missed that05:49
nixternalRiddell: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=6298   <- use this one - kvkbd05:51
nixternalRiddell: just emailed the developer of kvkbd, Todor, with the requests listed in the Design section of the spec05:56
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nixternaluh oh07:51
nixternalkwwii: can I make a minor suggestion with the KDM login image?07:51
kwwiisure07:51
nixternalOK, the Kubuntu graphic above the login dialog, look to the right, you can see the translucent edge, as it doesn't blend in with the desktop07:52
kwwiino worries, that will be changed07:53
kwwiijust haven't gotten around to it yet07:54
nixternalOK...just checkin'...btw I do like the new wallpaper quite a bit actually07:54
kwwiicool :-)07:54
nixternalhow about kmenu colors, you changing them from purple? the highlight colors that is07:54
kwwiiyes, that needs to change too07:54
kwwiialmost 8am here - /me needs to wake up properly, be back later07:56
nixternalhehe07:56
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_StefanS_Tonio_: hey :)10:32
Hobbseehiya10:33
Tonio__StefanS_: yo !10:33
Tonio__StefanS_: testing you patch today, if that works, I'll ping someone to commit svn10:34
_StefanS_Tonio_: sweet.. maybe I should look at that path "Up" thingy as well10:34
_StefanS_Tonio_: not quite sure where to start though :)10:34
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Tonio__StefanS_: would be nice indeed :)10:37
_StefanS_Tonio_: goody, I'll start right away10:38
_StefanS_Tonio_: btw, the progress indicators are kinda screwed in kio_obex2, but that the same for both upload/download10:38
Tonio__StefanS_: ah ?10:38
_StefanS_Tonio_: they have been that before I started patched it10:39
_StefanS_Tonio_: seems like putFile() does not do the same as the old put() from kio_obex10:39
_StefanS_Tonio_: btw, the patch is not very big for the upload. But the patch doesn't show how much debugging i had to do ;)10:40
Tonio__StefanS_: what do you mean by "very big uploads" ?10:41
Tonio__StefanS_: indeed, upload locks on 100% very quickly, strange10:41
_StefanS_Tonio_:  i just meant the patch is not very big ;)10:41
Tonio_but it works..... could be better, but that's acceptable for a first shot :)10:41
Tonio__StefanS_: ah oki ;)10:41
Tonio__StefanS_: well done, that works :) that's a very good point to make it default on gutsy10:42
_StefanS_Tonio_: I'll look to see if those progress indicators can be fixed. But if you look, you'll see that download has the same problem10:42
Tonio__StefanS_: progress bar have to be improved, but that can wait10:42
_StefanS_ok10:42
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Tonio__StefanS_: yep same issue with download10:42
Tonio__StefanS_: another option is to use a progress bar that doesn't show the %age10:43
Tonio__StefanS_: like ark10:43
Tonio__StefanS_: I suspect dbus to miss the progress level, we can patch that easilly I guess10:43
Tonio__StefanS_: do you see what ark is using ?10:43
Tonio_that would be more acceptable than the current one10:43
Tonio__StefanS_: the same bar is used by kio-umountwrapper I think10:44
Tonio__StefanS_: replacing this should be trivial I guess10:44
_StefanS_Tonio_: havent checked in depth yet10:44
_StefanS_Tonio_: but I will look into it10:44
Tonio__StefanS_: it is just a progress dialog that goes from left to right and right to left, to tell you you still have to wait10:44
Tonio__StefanS_: I can look into this probably, that's easy to do10:45
Tonio__StefanS_: better improve the "up" bug I'd suggest :)10:45
_StefanS_just had to get my free copy of that Qt  development book :)10:45
_StefanS_Tonio_: I'll fix that Up thingy.10:46
Tonio_kool :)10:46
_StefanS_I'll keep you posted. And lets get that kdesudo thing done also !10:47
_StefanS_new fade works, btw.10:47
_StefanS_finished that like a week ago hehe10:48
Tonio__StefanS_: oki should it cause kde apps build problems this time ?10:51
_StefanS_Tonio_: nope, and btw Hobbsee did not test past the first patch !10:52
Tonio__StefanS_: best would be that no kdelibs patch is required but I suspect that's not possible10:52
_StefanS_Tonio_: its not possible without the kdelibs patch10:52
Tonio__StefanS_: okay10:52
Tonio__StefanS_: we'll have to test if some apps ftbfs with the patch, I think amarok is a good test as we know it failed before that10:52
_StefanS_Tonio_: I can test with amarok; do I need pbuilder for that?10:53
Tonio__StefanS_: well it requires that you build kdelibs and then put that on a repo your pbuilder will use10:54
Tonio__StefanS_: another way to test is to just install patches kdelibs-dev and apt-get builddep amarok, then you can test the compilation locally10:55
_StefanS_Tonio_: ok I will do that last approach.10:55
Tonio_oki ;)10:55
_StefanS_Tonio_: I'm always kinda confused as to when pbuilder is required10:56
_StefanS_Tonio_: actually this seems more like a konqueror bug...10:58
_StefanS_Tonio_: the Up thing.10:58
Tonio__StefanS_: ah ?11:02
Tonio__StefanS_: seems to work with others protocols11:03
_StefanS_Tonio_: well other protocols dont embed mac-addresses i think11:03
Tonio_true11:03
_StefanS_it might be a combination of mac and @11:04
_StefanS_donno, but i'll see what I can find. I have a feisty with bluetooth to test with11:04
_StefanS_Tonio_: amarok is building now.11:08
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Tonio__StefanS_: oki ;)11:13
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_StefanS_Tonio_: amarok build without problems ;)11:18
_StefanS_Tonio_: I have tested with krusader as well, and the program in kdebase that caused the problems in the first place.11:18
Tonio__StefanS_: oki great then ;)11:24
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Tonio__StefanS_: can you please send me the patches for test ?12:03
fdovingTonio_: do you have kdebluetooth test-packages?12:07
fdovinghi all, by the way :)12:07
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_StefanS_Tonio_: patches for kdelibs or bluetooth ?12:13
_StefanS_Tonio_: I have sent you both..12:13
_StefanS_hi fdoving12:13
_StefanS_Tonio_: kdelibs patch was sent to you at 2007-07-18 14:0112:16
_StefanS_Tonio_: kdebluetooth was yesterday.12:16
_StefanS_Tonio_: its definitely something with KUrl().. Looking at kdebase now.12:23
_StefanS_kdelibs12:24
Tonio__StefanS_: ho I added that one, but I removed it as it seemed to also create issues12:25
_StefanS_Tonio_: like what issues?12:26
TheInfinityhmm ...12:26
_StefanS_Tonio_: and are you sure it was the updated patch you added?12:26
Tonio__StefanS_: don't remember what but one of the package didn't build correctly, better ask hobbsee on that point12:26
TheInfinitydo you know why upstart mixes mounting in somehow inverse order?12:26
Tonio__StefanS_: I'll ahve a look concerning the patch, but I'm pretty sure12:26
Tonio__StefanS_: will retest, is the patch for kdesudo ready ?12:26
_StefanS_Tonio_: well we changed it afterwards hobbsee complained, and she didn't test it after that.12:26
_StefanS_Tonio_: just take the stuff you have for kdesudo. It almost the same12:27
Tonio__StefanS_: ah.....12:27
_StefanS_:)12:27
TheInfinitybecause it seems like a bug to me ;)12:27
Tonio__StefanS_: yes but it doesn't work for me :)12:27
_StefanS_TheInfinity: better ask in #ubuntu-devel12:27
TheInfinityokay :)12:27
_StefanS_Tonio_: oh well, thats right.12:27
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_StefanS_Tonio_: hmm.. I did simplify the code alot, so maybe it will work for you now.12:28
Tonio__StefanS_: that's why I ask for the patch ;)12:28
_StefanS_Tonio_: ehm well I get it now :)12:28
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_StefanS_lemme polish it up then.12:29
Tonio__StefanS_: hehe12:29
_StefanS_all this jumping back and forth ;)12:29
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fdovingTonio_: do you have that kdebluetooth-test-package/source or not?12:40
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_StefanS_Tonio_: gawd I hate that launchpad thingy... what is needed to checkout kdesudo?12:52
_StefanS_Tonio_: I mean url... I cant figure it out12:52
fdoving_stefans_: have a look at https://code.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-kdesudo/kdesudo/trunk12:54
fdovingyou can checkout http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-kdesudo/kdesudo/trunk12:54
_StefanS_fdoving: uhm I found it now... I can never seem to make the distinction between https://launchpad.net/kdesudo and https://code.launchpad.net/%7Ekubuntu-kdesudo12:55
Tonio__StefanS_: you can checkout with sftp://bazaar.launchpad12:55
Tonio_fdoving: you have the source package on my repo as you have the binaries12:56
fdovingdoes bzr+ssh work yet?12:56
_StefanS_fdoving: it deos12:56
_StefanS_does12:56
Tonio_fdoving: think so12:56
_StefanS_just did it.12:56
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Tonio__StefanS_: I have looked at the progress bar thing01:04
Tonio__StefanS_: seems simple to change, but too complicated for me :)01:04
_StefanS_Tonio_: ok, I can probably check it out later then.01:10
Tonio_oki01:10
_StefanS_Tonio_: seems like kUrl() strips the 'password' out of urls... : obex2://00:1c:35:4f:0a:45@bluetooth:10/Card memory -> Up clicked -> obex2://00<stripped>@bluetooth:10/01:11
_StefanS_alteast it thinks its a password ;)01:11
_StefanS_Tonio_:  'Card Memory'-dir gets taken off correctly.01:12
Tonio_weird :/01:14
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fdovingcopying doesn't work for me, with the kdebluetooth at tonios repo.01:18
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_StefanS_fdoving: I dont think he updated it yet.01:26
_StefanS_Tonio_: the patch for kdesudo is in your mailbox.01:26
_StefanS_fdoving: I can send you the patch if you want to build it yourself01:28
fdoving_StefanS_: that would be nice. :)01:28
Tonio__StefanS_: super01:28
_StefanS_fdoving: on its way.01:28
_StefanS_fdoving: simple ~10 lines stuff.01:29
fdoving_StefanS_: thanks. :)01:29
_StefanS_np01:29
Tonio_fdoving: yeah it isn't in the repos yet01:29
Tonio_fdoving: I'm just resyncing svn and uploading01:29
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mhbRiddell: a nice announcement on kubuntu.org would be lovely .o)01:42
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fdovinggrr..the feisty  mailscanner is dying once a week.01:44
Riddellmhb: I'm waiting for more packages to be compiled01:44
Riddell(assuming you're talking about beta)01:44
mhbRiddell: okay01:46
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rouzicHi all02:17
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rouzicKDE 4 beta 1 for Kubuntu feisty?02:18
Hobbseeafter gutsy, presumably02:19
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rouzicHobbsee: I refer to that if it is possible to use the beta 1 of kde in feisty02:22
Hobbseerouzic: i'd assume that Riddell would build it for feisty, after building it for gutsy, and checking that that works.02:22
rouzicHobbsee: ok, thanks :)02:23
fdovingrouzic: have a look at: http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-beta1.php02:23
Hobbseeoh, we've announced it have we?  gerat02:23
Hobbseeeven better02:23
fdovingHobbsee: not properly yet, as it's still building.02:23
rouzicHobbsee: Thanks!!! :D02:23
fdovingbut the annoyuncement is there.02:24
Riddellquietly announced, it's not all compiled yet02:24
fdovingnot on kubuntu.org frontpage though.02:24
Hobbseefdoving: ahhh02:24
HobbseeRiddell: and gutsy?02:24
Riddellhttps://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kde4base/3.92.0-0ubuntu1 " Currently building"02:24
Hobbseejust call me lazy.02:25
fdovingnice, i'm subscribed to all mailinglists with the ubuntu.com address still launchpad tries to deliver launchpad-mail to kubuntu-devel with my lnix.net mail, because that's the default in launchpad.02:30
_StefanS_Riddell: is there any apps like konversation ready for kde4?02:30
_StefanS_Riddell: I dont really know about it :)02:30
fdovingwe should probably not subscribe "kubuntu team" to bugs.02:30
Hobbseefdoving: that has a black hole address02:30
Hobbseefdoving: iirc02:30
Hobbseefdoving: i dont know why people do, though02:30
Hobbseewell, assigning, anyway02:31
Riddellkubuntu-team goes to kubuntu-bugs@ list02:31
Riddellthat's the whole point of that team now02:31
fdovingRiddell: must be kubuntu beasties then.02:31
fdovingit's https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/dolphin/+bug/12769302:31
ubotuLaunchpad bug 127693 in dolphin "dolphin konqueror like servicemenu support" [Wishlist,Confirmed] 02:32
fdovingyep, Kubuntu Beasties does have kubuntu-devel@ as it's e-mail.02:33
Hobbseefdoving: erk02:34
fdovingthat team should probably be removed if it doesn't do anything usefull.02:35
fdovinganyone can subscribe it to bugs, but only a few can unsubscribe.02:36
_StefanS_x86 build is done for kde402:36
Hobbseewoo!02:37
Riddellyay02:37
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Riddellit won't appear for another half hour in the archives02:38
_StefanS_uhm :)02:38
Hobbseeno, but i'd better not download it here anyway :)02:39
HobbseeRiddell: how long do kubuntu cds take to get to au?02:39
Riddellshipit ones?  I've no idea02:39
Hobbseedarn.02:40
HobbseeRiddell: i hijacked my computing lecture today, to show off kubuntu :)02:40
Riddellcool!02:40
Hobbseeyeah!  :)02:40
Hobbseeso that was fun02:42
Riddellwhat did you show off?02:42
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Hobbseewell, she was going to use putty to ssh into a unix machine02:42
Hobbseebut the uni wireless fell over for some reason, in that building02:42
Hobbseeso, she couldnt do the unix demo that she wanted02:42
Hobbseeso she says "sarah, do you have a copy of linux there?"02:43
Riddelland by chance you did?02:43
Hobbsee"oh, sure, here you go"  *brings laptop down, creates a spare directory, cds into that, makes terminal big, plugs into the projector stuff, it all just works*02:43
Hobbseesure - i was using my laptop in the class.  writing emails and such :)02:44
Hobbseegot to say a bit about what the laptop was running, what linux is like, etc.02:44
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_StefanS_Tonio_: I will patch kdebluetooth to use the old path naming, seems like []  is missing from the urls03:12
Tonio__StefanS_: oki03:13
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_StefanS_Tonio__: where did you find this package?03:33
_StefanS_Tonio__: maybe there's some commits to kde in parallel to make this work03:33
Tonio___StefanS_: which package ?03:33
_StefanS_kdebluetooth03:34
Tonio___StefanS_: wame problem for me and kdesudo....03:34
Tonio___StefanS_: from kde svn03:34
_StefanS_bah :P03:34
Tonio___StefanS_: don't mind nothing done on the obex side for ages, you will not duplicate another ev's work03:34
_StefanS_Tonio__: I dont know how to fix it then. Let drop the fade for kdesudo.03:34
Tonio___StefanS_: testing the kdelibs patch compatibility now03:34
Tonio__so bad since the effect is nice :/03:35
_StefanS_yea.. but its a weird macbook problem..03:35
_StefanS_:)03:35
_StefanS_maybe we should get someone more knowing to look at it03:36
_StefanS_I simply might not be good enough to see whats wrong with it.03:36
Tonio__maybe yes...... Riddell may be able to help, and I think he has an apple machine03:37
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_StefanS_Tonio__: this fade thingy is even simpler than the first, so it simply might be something with the layering of the widgets03:38
Riddellnot to hand03:38
Tonio___StefanS_: possibly yes03:39
_StefanS_Tonio__: means: I think the problem isn't in the fade itself, but maybe initialization of the program03:39
mhbtrouble with apple machines?03:39
_StefanS_mhb: never heard of any trouble with apple machines :P03:39
mhb_StefanS_: I have a macbook03:40
mhb_StefanS_: non-pro03:40
Tonio__mhb: not sure if especially apple is concerned, but the fade effect fails to work on my macbook pro, causing x to hang03:40
Tonio__mhb: interesting, would you test for me please ?03:40
_StefanS_Tonio__: do you get any errors in the xorg log?03:40
Tonio___StefanS_: lemme check03:40
_StefanS_Tonio__: good idea, get mhb to test also03:40
mhbTonio__: of course, but it's a non-pro. How can I reproduce it?03:41
Tonio__mhb: you'll se that's very simple03:41
Tonio__mhb: have gutsy on that machine ?03:42
mhbTonio__: yep03:43
Tonio__mhb: http://ubuntu.tonio.homelinux.org03:43
Tonio__mhb: use that repo and dist-upgrade03:43
Tonio__then install kdesudo03:43
Tonio__restart kde for new kdelibs03:43
Tonio__and then login and try to launch for example "kdesudo konqueror"03:44
Tonio__should hang while clicking OK03:44
mhbTonio__: ah damn, another repository that's 386 only03:46
Tonio__mhb: nope03:47
mhbTonio__: http://ubuntu.tonio.homelinux.org/dists/gutsy/main/binary-amd64/Packages.gz  404 Not Found03:47
Tonio__mhb: argh..... I can't compile for amd64 that's the problem03:48
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mhbHobbsee: read the minutes, silly :o)03:48
mhbHobbsee: some great guy volunteered to make them03:49
Hobbseemhb: or just read the entire log03:49
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Hobbseeheh, i vaguely saw that03:49
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Tonio___StefanS_: last svn update seems to break the input devices support for kdebluetooth :/03:52
_StefanS_Tonio__: argh03:53
_StefanS_Tonio__: I just realized that we need to patch kdecore/kurl.cpp anyways... gives me a malformed url now, and kio_obex2 fakes hostname by setting it to "bluetooth", like the servername :)03:54
_StefanS_so cant remove bluetooth.03:55
_StefanS_great.03:55
_StefanS_oh 3.92 is available now03:55
fdovingwhy do you need to patch kurl.cpp ?03:56
_StefanS_Riddell:  ^03:56
_StefanS_fdoving: well, here goes...03:56
_StefanS_fdoving: old obex used this url form: obex://[00:1c:35:4f:0a:45] :10/Card memory03:57
_StefanS_fdoving: now its obex2://[00:1c:35:4f:0a:45] @bluetooth:10/Card memory03:58
_StefanS_fdoving: actually without [] 03:58
fdovingyep.03:58
_StefanS_fdoving: if you click up in konqy you get this url: obex2://00@bluetooth:10/Card memory03:58
_StefanS_fdoving: and the stuff dont work.03:58
_StefanS_fdoving: I have now added those [] , and now konqy gives me maltformed url ... dialog03:59
_StefanS_fdoving: removing the bluetooth from the url doesn't work either, as it can connect.03:59
_StefanS_can/cant03:59
_StefanS_but thats what I'm looking into now03:59
fdovingdid you figure out what removes some of the address in the first place?04:00
_StefanS_but dont think kdebluetooth can work without setHost("bluetooth"), and therefore the patch for kurl.cpp to understand the new url should be.04:00
_StefanS_fdoving: I did.04:00
fdovingusername/pass things?04:00
_StefanS_fdoving: yep04:00
fdovingdoes it use KURL->path() ?04:00
_StefanS_nope. url.04:00
fdovingcan you point me to where this is done in kdebluetooth sources?04:01
_StefanS_sure04:01
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_StefanS_fdoving: kdebluetooth-1.0~beta4/kdebluetooth/kioslave/sdp/btsdp.cpp (setHost() bluetooth stuff)04:02
_StefanS_fdoving: kdebluetooth-1.0~beta4/kdebluetooth/kioslave/obex/kio_obex/obeximpl.cpp|h for the url stuff04:03
_StefanS_fdoving: maybe you can figure it out :)04:03
fdoving            obexFtpURL.setUser(mAddress);04:03
_StefanS_thats the mac-address04:04
fdovingso that's the 00:1c:35:4f:0a:45 in your case.04:04
_StefanS_yep04:04
fdovingdid you change mAddress ?04:04
fdovingto include the [] 04:04
_StefanS_yep04:04
_StefanS_lemme find the line04:04
_StefanS_its where it says mAddress = host04:05
_StefanS_fdoving: at 110, : mAddress = "[" + host + "] ";04:06
fdovingwhere do you remove them?04:06
fdovingyou probably need to remove them before it's actually used for anything.04:07
Riddell_StefanS_: available in gutsy or feisty?04:08
_StefanS_gutsy04:12
fdoving_StefanS_: for example in: kioslave/sdp/btsdp.cpp void SdpProtocol::listDir(const KURL &url)04:13
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_StefanS_fdoving: well I didn't finish, so it might work if they're stripped04:14
ryanakcaoooh :) http://kde.org/announcements/announce-4.0-beta1.php04:14
_StefanS_fdoving: I'll try it04:15
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rbrunhuber8995Riddell : you are the greatest!04:16
Riddellmoi?04:17
rbrunhuber8995Riddell: Si04:17
Riddellbetter than Bono?04:17
rbrunhuber8995Riddell : The U2 Bono?04:17
Riddellyes04:17
rbrunhuber8995Riddell : Yes, because Bono did not package KDE 4 Beta 1 :-)04:18
Riddell:)04:18
manchickenRiddell: Did you package the beta already?04:19
_StefanS_fdoving: kio_obex2: kio_obexProtocol::setHost(host=bluetooth, port=10, user=00, pass=1c:35:4f:0a:45)04:19
_StefanS_fdoving: hehe the mac is splitted :)04:19
fdoving_StefanS_: nice. so much for using kurl for everything.04:19
Riddellmanchicken: naw, I was waiting for bono to do it04:20
_StefanS_fdoving: definitely has its bugs ;)04:20
manchickenRiddell: Well, Bono won't even fight against DRM, so I don't hold out much hope.04:20
fdoving_StefanS_: when it's used for things it's not designed to do.. yeah.04:20
rbrunhuber8995manchicken: At least heise.de found the announcement: http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-beta1.php04:20
_StefanS_fdoving: I'm doing a nasty thing here ... QString bhost=user+pass; :)04:21
fdoving_StefanS_: but the 00 remain after an UP.04:21
_StefanS_fdoving: yes but password is not disclosed i think04:21
fdoving_StefanS_: didn't understand what you just meant by user+pass, but if we could set the whole mac in the user= field, and drop password..04:22
_StefanS_fdoving: yes, it was sorta the same thing i meant.04:22
fdoving_StefanS_: you can have KURL display the password, it's only hidden when prettyURL is used.. iirc.04:22
_StefanS_fdoving: that explains that part atlest.04:22
_StefanS_atleast04:22
fdoving_StefanS_: http://api.kde.org/3.5-api/kdelibs-apidocs/kdecore/html/classKURL.html#9382bc0e035124e884f755cff962530f04:23
fdovingDoes not contain the password if the URL has one, use url() if you need to have it in the string.04:23
_StefanS_fdoving: problem is that what we get back from kURl is borked04:23
fdoving_StefanS_: when doing what call?04:23
_StefanS_fdoving: yep04:24
_StefanS_fdoving: I dont split it anywhere..04:24
fdovingso kurl decides that the first : is a splitter.04:25
_StefanS_yep.04:25
_StefanS_user:password@host thingy04:25
fdovingyep.04:26
_StefanS_so..04:26
_StefanS_I kinda puzzled as to what we should do.. 1) patch kdebluetooth to take the "wrong" url and make it right 2) patch kdelibs/kdecore to possibly screw up alot, but make kdebluetooth work.04:27
_StefanS_I/I'm04:27
fdoving1)04:27
_StefanS_yep.04:27
_StefanS_least probs04:27
_StefanS_doing that now.04:27
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_StefanS_fdoving: probably first tonight, but I'll fix it.04:28
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_StefanS_Tonio__: read ^04:29
fdoving_StefanS_: is there set a user?04:29
fdoving_StefanS_: because: a password can only appear in a URL string if you also set a user, see setUser().04:29
fdovingfrom api.kde.org04:29
_StefanS_fdoving: yep .. 00 :)04:29
_StefanS_no worries on that part04:29
fdoving_StefanS_: is that set in code somwehere, or does kurl do that itself?04:29
fdovingor is user the only thing set in code.04:30
fdovingand kurl makes everything after the first : a pass.04:30
fdovingthe latter is correct.04:31
_StefanS_fdoving: the code says so ;)04:31
_StefanS_fdoving: kurl is just trying to be all smart.04:31
fdovingyep, or kdebluetooth is very dumb.04:32
fdovingusing : in usernames.04:32
fdovingbecause the username isn't a username after all :)04:32
_StefanS_hehe well .. kio is broken then.04:32
_StefanS_shouldn't use urls at all.04:32
_StefanS_sort of a fits all approach. Only it doesn't fit.04:33
_StefanS_well..04:33
fdovingwould fit if they did it the old-way,04:33
fdovingstrip the []  before usage.04:33
_StefanS_well I just leave out []  entirely as it doesn't matter. : is the problem.04:34
fdovingthen replace : with something else, - or something.04:34
fdovingthen reverse on usage.04:35
_StefanS_uhm well good idea04:35
_StefanS_probably the nicest one.04:35
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_StefanS_gotta go. be back later04:44
fdovingsee you around.04:45
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lontrawhere is the default colour scheme for kubuntu kept (i.e. what package and where is it physically install to)04:49
Hobbseekubuntu-default-settings04:50
Hobbseeand use dpkg -L kubuntu-default-settings for the latter answer04:50
lontraHobbsee: do you know what the file is called?04:52
Hobbseelontra: not offhand, but it's in artwork/ or a similar directory04:52
Riddellkdeglobals mostly04:53
Riddellit's also /usr/share/kubuntu-default-settings/kde-profile/default/share/apps/kdisplay/color-schemes/kubuntuColours.kcsrc but that's not actually used unless the user changes colour scheme04:54
nixternalgood morning05:06
ScottKGood morning nixternal05:07
Hobbseeerk!05:09
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ScottKIt only feels that way.05:09
ScottKIt'll make you stronger.05:09
Hobbseeit's...like...15 mins long, and i dont know the subject matter, and i havent prepared it at all05:10
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ScottKTwo weeks is plenty of time to be an expert.05:10
ScottKSounds thrilling.05:10
ScottKJust the sort of news one wants right before trying to sleep.05:11
Hobbseeyeah, well.05:11
Hobbseeoh well, time for bed.05:11
Hobbseenight all05:11
ScottKGood night Hobbsee05:12
fdovingyay, i made kdebluetooth work with Up.05:12
fdovingTonio__: ^^05:12
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lontraRiddell: thanks05:19
Tonio__fdoving: you rock :)05:21
Tonio__fdoving: don't forget to email me the patch05:21
fdovingTonio__: i will, and i'll cc stefans.05:21
Tonio__fdoving: super05:22
Tonio__fdoving: beta5 unfortunatelly has a lot of regressions, I'll have to take care of initial upload05:22
Tonio__fdoving: I'll probably upload tonight05:22
ScottKTonio__: I'm working on the new klamav upstream.  Do you want me to leave you as Maintainer or make you Original-Maintainer?05:24
Tonio__ScottK: just become maintainer :)05:27
ScottKNo thank you.05:27
RiddellMaintainer should be MOTU05:27
ScottKI don't actually use my ubuntu.com address.05:27
ScottKOK.05:27
fdovingTonio__: mail sent.05:28
fdovingTonio__: what i did, was to replace : with - in the mac for the bluetooth device. that way KURL doesn't mess things up.05:29
Tonio__fdoving: grat05:31
Tonio__great05:31
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bobesponjais there a mirror that already has kde 3.92 package?, I can't seem to find any as announced on http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-beta1.php05:35
nixternalRiddell: did you get a chance to look at that kvkbd package?05:36
Riddellnixternal: nope, where is it again?05:37
fdovingTonio__: are you in contact with kdebluetooth upstream?05:37
nixternalhttp://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=629805:38
Tonio__fdoving: nope but I can05:38
fdovingTonio__: if you're not, i'll just mail our current patches and ask for comments etc05:38
Tonio__sure05:39
fdovingsent.05:41
ryanakcaWhere in k-d-s is the katapult config file? I'm thinking of coloring it blue instead of purple (if nobody minds)05:44
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Tonio__ryanakca: kde-rc-files/katapultrc05:44
nixternalryanakca: as long as you use crayola crayons, then go for it :)05:44
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nixternalhaha05:45
mikkaeli just tried this without success: http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-beta1.php05:45
mikkaelneither the full session nor xephyr is working for me :/05:45
nixternalxephyr has never worked for me..no matter what I tried05:46
nixternalmikkael: are you getting an error when logging in, or does it just kick you back out to the login screen?05:46
mikkaelthe last05:47
nixternalI have heard a few people saying that...05:47
nixternalI haven't tried the new packages just yet05:47
Riddellnixternal: 1 issue http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=629805:48
Riddellmikkael: do individual programmes work?05:48
mikkaelim not able to start a kde4 session, just followed this steps here  http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-beta1.php05:48
mikkael!paste05:49
ubotupastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)05:49
nixternaldid you export home?05:49
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mikkaeldid i do right with the startkde script: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/32244/05:49
nixternalRiddell: you forgot to add 'export KDEHOME=~/.kde4' in there05:50
Riddellmikkael: yes05:50
Riddellnixternal: no, it's compiled in to use that now05:50
nixternaloh cool05:50
Riddellmikkael: do individual programmes work?05:50
mikkaelRiddell: im on kde3 right now, have not yet logged into kde405:50
Riddellmikkael: regardless, try and start them05:51
Riddellwith the environment variables set05:51
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mikkaelwhen i choose the kde 4 session at kdm, fill in my login, i get thrown back to login screen05:51
Riddellso you said05:51
fdovingTheFuzzball in #kubuntu experience the same problem.05:51
Riddelltry running a kde 4 application from a kde 3 session05:51
mikkaelah for example05:52
mikkael?05:52
Riddellkonsole05:52
mikkaelhmm this give me kde 305:53
Riddell"with the environment variables set"05:53
mikkaelyes, sorry forgot to05:53
mikkaelill try a full session now and report05:53
mikkaelbrb05:53
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Riddellno05:53
Riddelloh jings05:53
ryanakcahehe05:54
ryanakcaRiddell: mind if I 'update' the current yakuake theme to blue? or would that be up to kwwii?05:55
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mikkaelup and running!06:07
nixternalRiddell: at the top of copying.lib, should I place something like "this license is for the files located in the admin/ directory"?06:07
Riddellnixternal: no06:07
nixternalroger that, just add COPYING.LIB to the root dir, and create the .orig and that's good?06:07
Riddellmikkael: what did you change?06:07
Riddellnixternal: yep06:07
nixternalwell add stuff to debian/ of course06:07
mikkaeladded the export line of KDEHOME to ths startkde script06:07
mikkaelthis is missing on the kubuntu announce06:07
Riddellmikkael: what did you set KDEHOME to?06:07
mikkaelwhat you did write earlier06:07
fdovingRiddell: 18:01 < TheFuzzball> right, When I run startkde in a terminal I get this error ".: 85; Can't open /home/.kde4/shar/config/startupconfig" does anyone else have this problem?06:07
kwwiiryanakca: if the blue fits well with the new bg it would be fine by me06:07
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kwwiiif you wouldn't mind, make a screenshot06:07
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kwwiitime for YaM06:07
ryanakcamethinks it'll need a patch to katapult sources, unless there's a way to create a theme and put it in k-d-s06:07
Riddellkatapult?  for yakake?06:07
nixternaltest building kvkbd now and will reupload it here in a minute06:07
nixternalRiddell: also, I contacted the developer with the requests that were listed in the spec...Resizable window will be worked on, as for the macros and one button key selection, him and I both don't fully understand06:08
nixternalalso, he seems a little busy with personal life right now, but will be getting back to its development06:09
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nixternalI will also need some guidance on adding the info into k-d-s, unless someone wants to whip whatever is needed up quickly06:10
mikkaelRiddell: here on the announcement: http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-beta1.php is this export line missing: export KDEHOME=~/.kde406:12
Riddellmikkael: I've added it now, but I'm still puzzled as to why that could make a difference06:13
mikkaelwell thanks for helping me to get this started..just wanted to have a look and play around a bit. it seems all evolving great..06:14
Riddellthanks for testing06:14
ScottKnixternal: I'm looking at kvkbd now.06:15
Riddellmikkael: are you on gutsy or feisty?06:15
mikkaelgutsy06:15
nixternalRiddell: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=630506:15
Riddell"That's all there is to it!" huh?06:16
ScottKnixternal: I'm looking at it now (unless you'd rather do it, Riddell)?06:16
Riddellwow, that really is at the end of the LGPL06:17
Tonio__fdoving: does a kcmshell kcm_btpaired crash for you ?06:17
Tonio__fdoving: segfaults here06:17
RiddellScottK: needs me and someone else06:17
nixternalScottK: fyi - that is going into main, tis why I bugged mr. JR :006:17
nixternalhahahahahaha Riddell...I seen that when I copied and pasted it into the copying file06:17
nixternalthat was the first time I ever seen that06:17
fdovingTonio__: yep, confirmed.06:17
ScottKRiddell: Except nixternal is MOTU, so he counts as one of the two now.06:17
nixternalnot for Main, I don't count yet :)06:18
Tonio__fdoving: oki I'm trying to fix this one06:18
ScottKThen I don't either.06:18
nixternallol06:18
fdovingTonio__: great :)06:18
nixternalScottK: you can still have a cookie though06:18
Tonio__fdoving: there is also a big regression on the input wizzard, but that's due to today's commit svn06:18
ScottKGreat. It's lunch time here.06:18
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Tonio__fdoving: no doubt it'"ll be fixed soon06:18
ScottKIf Riddell is reviewing, I'm either unneccessary or don't count, so I'll go do something else...06:19
fdovingTonio__: good. bbl, kid needs food.06:20
RiddellScottK: I've already advocated :)06:20
Riddellnixternal: go ahead and upload then06:20
ScottKCool.  nixternal, why don't you upload it then.06:20
Riddellnext would be a main inclusion report06:20
Tonio__fdoving: hehe06:20
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nixternalRiddell: upload it to universe I take it?06:21
nixternaland then from there we do the MIR and it gets moved06:21
nixternalgotcha06:21
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nixternaluploaded!06:21
ScottKYeah.06:22
nixternalhehe, groovy06:22
nixternalOK, need to go take my philosophy final...see ya in a bit06:23
Riddelljust go all RMS on them06:23
Riddellgood luck06:23
ScottKJust answer "Orbital laser death rays" to everything and then complain they don't understand.06:23
ScottKGood luck.06:23
nixternalhaha, thanks06:25
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fdovingis anyone investigating the nspluginview-100-cpu issue?07:06
fdovings/100/100%/07:06
Riddellnot that I know of07:08
fdovingit's very annoying.07:09
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DaSkreechkwwii: I volunteer to review any of the pizzas that come in07:31
kwwiiDaSkreech: funny enough my wife is making a pizza at this moment07:31
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kwwii;-)07:31
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DaSkreechkk07:32
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ScottKI'm working on updating Klamav based on the meeting discussion yesterday.08:05
ScottKI'd appreciate comments on the modified Clamav upgrade notification I'm going to use.08:05
ScottKPlease see http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/32261 and let me know what you think.08:06
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lontrawill klamav  be default in gutsy?08:16
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ScottKNot sure what you mean?08:17
ScottKIt will not be installed by default.08:17
lontraScottK: like will it be part of the kubuntu-desktop meta package08:17
lontraScottK: ok08:17
ScottKNo.08:17
ScottKIt's in Universe, not in Main, so it's not eligible.08:17
lontrabtw ... will network-manager-kde be replacing knetworkmanager in gutsy?  i noticed that upgrading to gutsy removes knetworkmanager but doesn't install network-manager-kde ... which is strange to me since it's the same program08:18
ScottKBut you will be able to install it through Adept or Apt.08:18
ScottKIIRC, yes, but I'm not the best person to ask.08:18
lontragutsy is looking to be the best kubuntu release yet ... imo08:19
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nfoonfhi09:45
nfoonfFolks, does anyone of you know, whats up with kde 4 beta 1 Packages in Feisty Backports?09:45
fdovingare there problems?09:45
nfoonfseems they're not available...09:46
apacheloggernfoonf: because they aren't uploaded yet I guess ;-)09:46
apacheloggeror maybe they are but not yet built09:46
nfoonfhmmm...09:46
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nfoonfokay.. seems some1 has opened a wikipage already...09:47
nfoonfkde.org is also talking about ready kubuntu packages in the beta 1 release announcement09:48
nfoonfokay.. thanx for the Infos.. keep up the good work...09:49
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fdovinghttps://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kde4base/3.92.0-0ubuntu1~feisty109:50
fdovingRiddell: dependency-wait on https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kde4base/3.92.0-0ubuntu1~feisty109:50
fdovingwhat does that mean?09:50
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fdovinglibcaptury-dev isn't available on feisty.09:54
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stdinhttps://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libcaptury/0.3.0+svn20070725-0ubuntu1~feisty1 < building now09:56
Riddellyep, it's in accepted09:57
Riddellpublisher will run in 10 minutes and put it into the archive in about 40 minutes time09:57
Riddelldunno how long it'll take for kde4base to decide to compile after that09:57
fdovinghow hardcore are the buildservers? quadcore with 8G+ ram and super-fast disks?09:59
fdovingkdebase is rather big.10:00
stdinI know one of canoniclas LTSP servers is a quad 2.66 with 16GB ram10:01
Riddellthey all looked much the same when I saw round the data centre :)10:05
fdovingprobably slightly faster than my laptop then :)10:10
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DaSkreechRiddell: Have you heard any Ubuntu overtures about Smolt?10:16
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RiddellDaSkreech: never heard of it10:17
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DaSkreechFedora's New project of an opt-in hardware database10:18
DaSkreechThey are asking other Distros to jump in and participate make use of it so it becomes a Linux community effort ratehr than a Fedora10:18
DaSkreechI would assume that Ubuntu was one of the lucky invitees10:19
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Riddellnot cross my inbox at least10:21
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DaSkreechOk I'll go bug #ubuntu-devel10:33
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DaSkreechRiddell: Looks like we are interested in smolt10:46
DaSkreechLets see if they have a QT front end :)10:47
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DaSkreechWhat's the package that gives the new fancy mange repos on Adept?10:55
DaSkreechManage10:56
fdovingsoftware-properties-kde10:56
DaSkreechThanks10:56
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DaSkreechRiddell: Course you know that this was in KDE repos already :(11:18
Riddellwhat was?11:19
fdovingwhere is that app?11:20
fdovingDaSkreech: where is that app?11:23
DaSkreechKnoware11:23
DaSkreechin KDE svn11:23
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sahin_hRiddell: Thanks for the Gusty KDE4 packages! It's better to play with KDE4 on Gutsy than KDE4 Live CD.11:26
DaSkreechfdoving: http://developer.kde.org/summerofcode/knoware.html11:29
fdovingDaSkreech: it's compiling. :)11:29
DaSkreechha ha :)11:30
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fdovingDaSkreech: did you read anywhere that it supports smolt in any way?11:32
DaSkreechfdoving: I've e-mailed him a few times but he seems a hard core Python guy now11:32
DaSkreechfdoving: This is years before smolt :)11:32
fdovingright.. 2005.11:32
fdovingthe smoltgui is dead simple.11:33
fdoving.py of course.11:33
DaSkreech:-)11:40
DaSkreechIf it has layers tehn Knoware could leverage it11:40
DaSkreechfdoving: I may be too rosy eyed about smolt but it looks to be multi layered11:45
DaSkreechThere can be a Knoware layer then that could use Knoware as the front end and leverage a separate backend for analysis11:46
fdovingmaybe, i have no clue how it works.11:56

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