[12:22] <Riddell> elcuco: kubuntu.org doesn't use drupal
[12:23] <Riddell> elcuco: details on how to upload to revu are at https://wiki.kubuntu.org/MOTU/Packages/REVU
[12:23] <Riddell> let us know if you get stuck
[12:24] <elcuco> Riddell: i should ask at #ubuntu-devel, since i want the brown theme for drupal :)
[12:24] <Riddell> elcuco: newz2000 is the guy to ask
[12:25] <elcuco> thanks (he is offline atm)
[12:25] <mhb> ryanakca: I actually look forward to the day someone gets epiphany and finally creates a simple browser for KDE
[12:26] <elcuco> konqueror is simple enough :)
[12:26] <mhb> elcuco: it is quite simple, but I'd love a faster one, that does browsing well and that's all.
[12:51] <ryanakca> Umm. can someone 'apt-get source kcontrol && cd kdebase-3.5.7/kcontrol/componentchooser && ls' and tell me if you see anything for selecting the IM client?
[12:55] <mhb> Riddell: so if you don't mind my english, I'll do them
[12:55] <Riddell> mhb: thanks
[12:55] <Riddell> that would be wonderful
[12:56] <nixternal> Riddell: I will take care of the minutes right now
[12:56] <mhb> nixternal: no, I was here first :o)
[12:57] <nixternal> oh, are you going to do it?
[12:57] <nixternal> oh..I just now noticed that..sorry
[12:57] <nixternal> thanks mhb
[12:57] <mhb> nixternal: you can do those for the meeting before
[12:57] <mhb> :o)
[12:57] <nixternal> haha, ya I will do those I guess :)
[12:57] <mhb> nixternal: nobody seemed to volunteer then
[12:58] <nixternal> mhb: I was voluntold by Hobbsee and forgot about them
[12:58] <nixternal> so if I get them done, maybe I can get a cookie :)
[01:00] <Riddell> I baked these cookies myself by the way
[01:04] <fdoving> really tasty :)
[01:06] <yuriy> hi, anything interesting happen at the meeting?
[01:10] <mhb> is it me or is the logging daemon buggy?
[01:10] <mhb> http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs/ubuntu-meeting-2007-07-31.html
[01:25] <ScottK> Riddell: Speaking of clamav backports, Bug 129252 is waiting for attention if you're in the mood (rushing isn't critical if you aren't).
[01:25] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 129252 in feisty-backports "Please backport clamav 0.91.1-1ubuntu2 from Gutsy to Feisty" [Wishlist,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/129252
[01:45] <mhb> yuriy: not much :o)
[01:46] <nixternal> OK, Hobbsee will be happy, I have put up the 2007-07-04 minutes
[01:46] <nixternal> back in a bit...dinner time
[01:49] <n8k99> nixternal: sorry i didnt get to hang while in chi-tonw
[01:49] <mhb> nixternal: well, you could at least put the decisions there, so they are easy to track :o)
[02:02] <ryanakca> Hmmm. Anything to add to the topic while I'm at it?
[02:20] <mhb> I find it amusing that few people discovered the preview feature in dolphin :o)
[02:20] <ryanakca> preview feature?
[02:21] <ryanakca> mhb: like the preview button at the top, in the tool bar?
[02:21] <mhb> ryanakca: yeah
[02:21] <ryanakca> hehe :)
[02:22] <mhb> ryanakca: tonio and jr seemed to be convinced that it doesn't exist at first
[02:23] <ryanakca> heehee :)
[02:32] <mhb> Riddell: minutes ready, the irc logs are rather long but the logging daemon has some issues so I used my own logs. Also the Meetings page is cleaned up.
[02:33] <mhb> ryanakca: it'd be cool to have that
[02:34] <ryanakca> it'd be an interesting first-patch for me :)
[02:36] <mhb> ryanakca: go for it
[02:37] <mhb> okay
[02:40] <mhb> grep found something at:
[02:41] <mhb> kdelibs/interfaces/texteditor/kcm_texteditor.desktop
[02:41] <ryanakca> hmm. kdelibs, never checked it :)
[02:43] <mhb> it's ktexteditor
[02:43] <mhb> ryanakca: is a simple .desktop file like that all it takes for that app?
[02:44] <mhb> ryanakca: well, of course, the bad side is someone has to make the apps obey it :o)
[02:45] <ryanakca> mhb: it's kdelibs-3.5.7/interfaces/ktexteditor/editorchooser*
[02:45] <ryanakca> [.cpp,.h,_ui.ui] 
[02:46] <ryanakca> methinks this'll be harder than he thought :)
[02:46] <mhb> ryanakca: it always is
[04:11] <nixternal> hey, <qlist.h> - wth qt release is that?
[04:11] <nixternal> I locate it under the qt4 dir
[04:12] <nixternal> but when I run through the configure files, all tests check for qt <4.0
[04:12] <nixternal> this keyboard app is horrible
[05:39] <nixternal> Riddell: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=6297   <- kvkbd package
[05:41] <crimsun> nixternal: the compat-headers package for Qt3 provides it, too.
[05:41] <nixternal> does it
[05:41] <nixternal> OK, I thought I tried that
[05:43] <nixternal> testing it now
[05:46] <nixternal> crimsun: thanks for that, it worked...so I guess I didn't try that
[05:47] <crimsun>  9999  dlocate qlist.h
[05:47] <crimsun> 10000  apt-cache show libqt3-compat-headers
[05:47] <crimsun> :-)
[05:49] <nixternal> ya, I used apt-file to search for it, and must have missed that
[05:51] <nixternal> Riddell: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=6298   <- use this one - kvkbd
[05:56] <nixternal> Riddell: just emailed the developer of kvkbd, Todor, with the requests listed in the Design section of the spec
[07:51] <nixternal> uh oh
[07:51] <nixternal> kwwii: can I make a minor suggestion with the KDM login image?
[07:51] <kwwii> sure
[07:52] <nixternal> OK, the Kubuntu graphic above the login dialog, look to the right, you can see the translucent edge, as it doesn't blend in with the desktop
[07:53] <kwwii> no worries, that will be changed
[07:54] <kwwii> just haven't gotten around to it yet
[07:54] <nixternal> OK...just checkin'...btw I do like the new wallpaper quite a bit actually
[07:54] <kwwii> cool :-)
[07:54] <nixternal> how about kmenu colors, you changing them from purple? the highlight colors that is
[07:54] <kwwii> yes, that needs to change too
[07:56] <kwwii> almost 8am here - /me needs to wake up properly, be back later
[07:56] <nixternal> hehe
[10:32] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: hey :)
[10:33] <Hobbsee> hiya
[10:33] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: yo !
[10:34] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: testing you patch today, if that works, I'll ping someone to commit svn
[10:34] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: sweet.. maybe I should look at that path "Up" thingy as well
[10:34] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: not quite sure where to start though :)
[10:37] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: would be nice indeed :)
[10:38] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: goody, I'll start right away
[10:38] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: btw, the progress indicators are kinda screwed in kio_obex2, but that the same for both upload/download
[10:38] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: ah ?
[10:39] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: they have been that before I started patched it
[10:39] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: seems like putFile() does not do the same as the old put() from kio_obex
[10:40] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: btw, the patch is not very big for the upload. But the patch doesn't show how much debugging i had to do ;)
[10:41] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: what do you mean by "very big uploads" ?
[10:41] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: indeed, upload locks on 100% very quickly, strange
[10:41] <_StefanS_> Tonio_:  i just meant the patch is not very big ;)
[10:41] <Tonio_> but it works..... could be better, but that's acceptable for a first shot :)
[10:41] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: ah oki ;)
[10:42] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: well done, that works :) that's a very good point to make it default on gutsy
[10:42] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: I'll look to see if those progress indicators can be fixed. But if you look, you'll see that download has the same problem
[10:42] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: progress bar have to be improved, but that can wait
[10:42] <_StefanS_> ok
[10:42] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: yep same issue with download
[10:43] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: another option is to use a progress bar that doesn't show the %age
[10:43] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: like ark
[10:43] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: I suspect dbus to miss the progress level, we can patch that easilly I guess
[10:43] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: do you see what ark is using ?
[10:43] <Tonio_> that would be more acceptable than the current one
[10:44] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: the same bar is used by kio-umountwrapper I think
[10:44] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: replacing this should be trivial I guess
[10:44] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: havent checked in depth yet
[10:44] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: but I will look into it
[10:44] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: it is just a progress dialog that goes from left to right and right to left, to tell you you still have to wait
[10:45] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: I can look into this probably, that's easy to do
[10:45] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: better improve the "up" bug I'd suggest :)
[10:45] <_StefanS_> just had to get my free copy of that Qt  development book :)
[10:46] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: I'll fix that Up thingy.
[10:46] <Tonio_> kool :)
[10:47] <_StefanS_> I'll keep you posted. And lets get that kdesudo thing done also !
[10:47] <_StefanS_> new fade works, btw.
[10:48] <_StefanS_> finished that like a week ago hehe
[10:51] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: oki should it cause kde apps build problems this time ?
[10:52] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: nope, and btw Hobbsee did not test past the first patch !
[10:52] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: best would be that no kdelibs patch is required but I suspect that's not possible
[10:52] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: its not possible without the kdelibs patch
[10:52] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: okay
[10:52] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: we'll have to test if some apps ftbfs with the patch, I think amarok is a good test as we know it failed before that
[10:53] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: I can test with amarok; do I need pbuilder for that?
[10:54] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: well it requires that you build kdelibs and then put that on a repo your pbuilder will use
[10:55] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: another way to test is to just install patches kdelibs-dev and apt-get builddep amarok, then you can test the compilation locally
[10:55] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: ok I will do that last approach.
[10:55] <Tonio_> oki ;)
[10:56] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: I'm always kinda confused as to when pbuilder is required
[10:58] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: actually this seems more like a konqueror bug...
[10:58] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: the Up thing.
[11:02] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: ah ?
[11:03] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: seems to work with others protocols
[11:03] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: well other protocols dont embed mac-addresses i think
[11:03] <Tonio_> true
[11:04] <_StefanS_> it might be a combination of mac and @
[11:04] <_StefanS_> donno, but i'll see what I can find. I have a feisty with bluetooth to test with
[11:08] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: amarok is building now.
[11:13] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: oki ;)
[11:18] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: amarok build without problems ;)
[11:18] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: I have tested with krusader as well, and the program in kdebase that caused the problems in the first place.
[11:24] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: oki great then ;)
[12:03] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: can you please send me the patches for test ?
[12:07] <fdoving> Tonio_: do you have kdebluetooth test-packages?
[12:07] <fdoving> hi all, by the way :)
[12:13] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: patches for kdelibs or bluetooth ?
[12:13] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: I have sent you both..
[12:13] <_StefanS_> hi fdoving
[12:16] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: kdelibs patch was sent to you at 2007-07-18 14:01
[12:16] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: kdebluetooth was yesterday.
[12:23] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: its definitely something with KUrl().. Looking at kdebase now.
[12:24] <_StefanS_> kdelibs
[12:25] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: ho I added that one, but I removed it as it seemed to also create issues
[12:26] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: like what issues?
[12:26] <TheInfinity> hmm ...
[12:26] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: and are you sure it was the updated patch you added?
[12:26] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: don't remember what but one of the package didn't build correctly, better ask hobbsee on that point
[12:26] <TheInfinity> do you know why upstart mixes mounting in somehow inverse order?
[12:26] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: I'll ahve a look concerning the patch, but I'm pretty sure
[12:26] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: will retest, is the patch for kdesudo ready ?
[12:26] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: well we changed it afterwards hobbsee complained, and she didn't test it after that.
[12:27] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: just take the stuff you have for kdesudo. It almost the same
[12:27] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: ah.....
[12:27] <_StefanS_> :)
[12:27] <TheInfinity> because it seems like a bug to me ;)
[12:27] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: yes but it doesn't work for me :)
[12:27] <_StefanS_> TheInfinity: better ask in #ubuntu-devel
[12:27] <TheInfinity> okay :)
[12:27] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: oh well, thats right.
[12:28] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: hmm.. I did simplify the code alot, so maybe it will work for you now.
[12:28] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: that's why I ask for the patch ;)
[12:28] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: ehm well I get it now :)
[12:29] <_StefanS_> lemme polish it up then.
[12:29] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: hehe
[12:29] <_StefanS_> all this jumping back and forth ;)
[12:40] <fdoving> Tonio_: do you have that kdebluetooth-test-package/source or not?
[12:52] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: gawd I hate that launchpad thingy... what is needed to checkout kdesudo?
[12:52] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: I mean url... I cant figure it out
[12:54] <fdoving> _stefans_: have a look at https://code.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-kdesudo/kdesudo/trunk
[12:54] <fdoving> you can checkout http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-kdesudo/kdesudo/trunk
[12:55] <_StefanS_> fdoving: uhm I found it now... I can never seem to make the distinction between https://launchpad.net/kdesudo and https://code.launchpad.net/%7Ekubuntu-kdesudo
[12:55] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: you can checkout with sftp://bazaar.launchpad
[12:56] <Tonio_> fdoving: you have the source package on my repo as you have the binaries
[12:56] <fdoving> does bzr+ssh work yet?
[12:56] <_StefanS_> fdoving: it deos
[12:56] <_StefanS_> does
[12:56] <Tonio_> fdoving: think so
[12:56] <_StefanS_> just did it.
[01:04] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: I have looked at the progress bar thing
[01:04] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: seems simple to change, but too complicated for me :)
[01:10] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: ok, I can probably check it out later then.
[01:10] <Tonio_> oki
[01:11] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: seems like kUrl() strips the 'password' out of urls... : obex2://00:1c:35:4f:0a:45@bluetooth:10/Card memory -> Up clicked -> obex2://00<stripped>@bluetooth:10/
[01:11] <_StefanS_> alteast it thinks its a password ;)
[01:12] <_StefanS_> Tonio_:  'Card Memory'-dir gets taken off correctly.
[01:14] <Tonio_> weird :/
[01:18] <fdoving> copying doesn't work for me, with the kdebluetooth at tonios repo.
[01:26] <_StefanS_> fdoving: I dont think he updated it yet.
[01:26] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: the patch for kdesudo is in your mailbox.
[01:28] <_StefanS_> fdoving: I can send you the patch if you want to build it yourself
[01:28] <fdoving> _StefanS_: that would be nice. :)
[01:28] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: super
[01:28] <_StefanS_> fdoving: on its way.
[01:29] <_StefanS_> fdoving: simple ~10 lines stuff.
[01:29] <fdoving> _StefanS_: thanks. :)
[01:29] <_StefanS_> np
[01:29] <Tonio_> fdoving: yeah it isn't in the repos yet
[01:29] <Tonio_> fdoving: I'm just resyncing svn and uploading
[01:42] <mhb> Riddell: a nice announcement on kubuntu.org would be lovely .o)
[01:44] <fdoving> grr..the feisty  mailscanner is dying once a week.
[01:44] <Riddell> mhb: I'm waiting for more packages to be compiled
[01:44] <Riddell> (assuming you're talking about beta)
[01:46] <mhb> Riddell: okay
[02:17] <rouzic> Hi all
[02:18] <rouzic> KDE 4 beta 1 for Kubuntu feisty?
[02:19] <Hobbsee> after gutsy, presumably
[02:22] <rouzic> Hobbsee: I refer to that if it is possible to use the beta 1 of kde in feisty
[02:22] <Hobbsee> rouzic: i'd assume that Riddell would build it for feisty, after building it for gutsy, and checking that that works.
[02:23] <rouzic> Hobbsee: ok, thanks :)
[02:23] <fdoving> rouzic: have a look at: http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-beta1.php
[02:23] <Hobbsee> oh, we've announced it have we?  gerat
[02:23] <Hobbsee> even better
[02:23] <fdoving> Hobbsee: not properly yet, as it's still building.
[02:23] <rouzic> Hobbsee: Thanks!!! :D
[02:24] <fdoving> but the annoyuncement is there.
[02:24] <Riddell> quietly announced, it's not all compiled yet
[02:24] <fdoving> not on kubuntu.org frontpage though.
[02:24] <Hobbsee> fdoving: ahhh
[02:24] <Hobbsee> Riddell: and gutsy?
[02:24] <Riddell> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kde4base/3.92.0-0ubuntu1 " Currently building"
[02:25] <Hobbsee> just call me lazy.
[02:30] <fdoving> nice, i'm subscribed to all mailinglists with the ubuntu.com address still launchpad tries to deliver launchpad-mail to kubuntu-devel with my lnix.net mail, because that's the default in launchpad.
[02:30] <_StefanS_> Riddell: is there any apps like konversation ready for kde4?
[02:30] <_StefanS_> Riddell: I dont really know about it :)
[02:30] <fdoving> we should probably not subscribe "kubuntu team" to bugs.
[02:30] <Hobbsee> fdoving: that has a black hole address
[02:30] <Hobbsee> fdoving: iirc
[02:30] <Hobbsee> fdoving: i dont know why people do, though
[02:31] <Hobbsee> well, assigning, anyway
[02:31] <Riddell> kubuntu-team goes to kubuntu-bugs@ list
[02:31] <Riddell> that's the whole point of that team now
[02:31] <fdoving> Riddell: must be kubuntu beasties then.
[02:31] <fdoving> it's https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/dolphin/+bug/127693
[02:32] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 127693 in dolphin "dolphin konqueror like servicemenu support" [Wishlist,Confirmed] 
[02:33] <fdoving> yep, Kubuntu Beasties does have kubuntu-devel@ as it's e-mail.
[02:34] <Hobbsee> fdoving: erk
[02:35] <fdoving> that team should probably be removed if it doesn't do anything usefull.
[02:36] <fdoving> anyone can subscribe it to bugs, but only a few can unsubscribe.
[02:36] <_StefanS_> x86 build is done for kde4
[02:37] <Hobbsee> woo!
[02:37] <Riddell> yay
[02:38] <Riddell> it won't appear for another half hour in the archives
[02:38] <_StefanS_> uhm :)
[02:39] <Hobbsee> no, but i'd better not download it here anyway :)
[02:39] <Hobbsee> Riddell: how long do kubuntu cds take to get to au?
[02:39] <Riddell> shipit ones?  I've no idea
[02:40] <Hobbsee> darn.
[02:40] <Hobbsee> Riddell: i hijacked my computing lecture today, to show off kubuntu :)
[02:40] <Riddell> cool!
[02:40] <Hobbsee> yeah!  :)
[02:42] <Hobbsee> so that was fun
[02:42] <Riddell> what did you show off?
[02:42] <Hobbsee> well, she was going to use putty to ssh into a unix machine
[02:42] <Hobbsee> but the uni wireless fell over for some reason, in that building
[02:42] <Hobbsee> so, she couldnt do the unix demo that she wanted
[02:43] <Hobbsee> so she says "sarah, do you have a copy of linux there?"
[02:43] <Riddell> and by chance you did?
[02:43] <Hobbsee> "oh, sure, here you go"  *brings laptop down, creates a spare directory, cds into that, makes terminal big, plugs into the projector stuff, it all just works*
[02:44] <Hobbsee> sure - i was using my laptop in the class.  writing emails and such :)
[02:44] <Hobbsee> got to say a bit about what the laptop was running, what linux is like, etc.
[03:12] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: I will patch kdebluetooth to use the old path naming, seems like []  is missing from the urls
[03:13] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: oki
[03:33] <_StefanS_> Tonio__: where did you find this package?
[03:33] <_StefanS_> Tonio__: maybe there's some commits to kde in parallel to make this work
[03:33] <Tonio__> _StefanS_: which package ?
[03:34] <_StefanS_> kdebluetooth
[03:34] <Tonio__> _StefanS_: wame problem for me and kdesudo....
[03:34] <Tonio__> _StefanS_: from kde svn
[03:34] <_StefanS_> bah :P
[03:34] <Tonio__> _StefanS_: don't mind nothing done on the obex side for ages, you will not duplicate another ev's work
[03:34] <_StefanS_> Tonio__: I dont know how to fix it then. Let drop the fade for kdesudo.
[03:34] <Tonio__> _StefanS_: testing the kdelibs patch compatibility now
[03:35] <Tonio__> so bad since the effect is nice :/
[03:35] <_StefanS_> yea.. but its a weird macbook problem..
[03:35] <_StefanS_> :)
[03:36] <_StefanS_> maybe we should get someone more knowing to look at it
[03:36] <_StefanS_> I simply might not be good enough to see whats wrong with it.
[03:37] <Tonio__> maybe yes...... Riddell may be able to help, and I think he has an apple machine
[03:38] <_StefanS_> Tonio__: this fade thingy is even simpler than the first, so it simply might be something with the layering of the widgets
[03:38] <Riddell> not to hand
[03:39] <Tonio__> _StefanS_: possibly yes
[03:39] <_StefanS_> Tonio__: means: I think the problem isn't in the fade itself, but maybe initialization of the program
[03:39] <mhb> trouble with apple machines?
[03:39] <_StefanS_> mhb: never heard of any trouble with apple machines :P
[03:40] <mhb> _StefanS_: I have a macbook
[03:40] <mhb> _StefanS_: non-pro
[03:40] <Tonio__> mhb: not sure if especially apple is concerned, but the fade effect fails to work on my macbook pro, causing x to hang
[03:40] <Tonio__> mhb: interesting, would you test for me please ?
[03:40] <_StefanS_> Tonio__: do you get any errors in the xorg log?
[03:40] <Tonio__> _StefanS_: lemme check
[03:40] <_StefanS_> Tonio__: good idea, get mhb to test also
[03:41] <mhb> Tonio__: of course, but it's a non-pro. How can I reproduce it?
[03:41] <Tonio__> mhb: you'll se that's very simple
[03:42] <Tonio__> mhb: have gutsy on that machine ?
[03:43] <mhb> Tonio__: yep
[03:43] <Tonio__> mhb: http://ubuntu.tonio.homelinux.org
[03:43] <Tonio__> mhb: use that repo and dist-upgrade
[03:43] <Tonio__> then install kdesudo
[03:43] <Tonio__> restart kde for new kdelibs
[03:44] <Tonio__> and then login and try to launch for example "kdesudo konqueror"
[03:44] <Tonio__> should hang while clicking OK
[03:46] <mhb> Tonio__: ah damn, another repository that's 386 only
[03:47] <Tonio__> mhb: nope
[03:47] <mhb> Tonio__: http://ubuntu.tonio.homelinux.org/dists/gutsy/main/binary-amd64/Packages.gz  404 Not Found
[03:48] <Tonio__> mhb: argh..... I can't compile for amd64 that's the problem
[03:48] <mhb> Hobbsee: read the minutes, silly :o)
[03:49] <mhb> Hobbsee: some great guy volunteered to make them
[03:49] <Hobbsee> mhb: or just read the entire log
[03:49] <Hobbsee> heh, i vaguely saw that
[03:52] <Tonio__> _StefanS_: last svn update seems to break the input devices support for kdebluetooth :/
[03:53] <_StefanS_> Tonio__: argh
[03:54] <_StefanS_> Tonio__: I just realized that we need to patch kdecore/kurl.cpp anyways... gives me a malformed url now, and kio_obex2 fakes hostname by setting it to "bluetooth", like the servername :)
[03:55] <_StefanS_> so cant remove bluetooth.
[03:55] <_StefanS_> great.
[03:55] <_StefanS_> oh 3.92 is available now
[03:56] <fdoving> why do you need to patch kurl.cpp ?
[03:56] <_StefanS_> Riddell:  ^
[03:56] <_StefanS_> fdoving: well, here goes...
[03:57] <_StefanS_> fdoving: old obex used this url form: obex://[00:1c:35:4f:0a:45] :10/Card memory
[03:58] <_StefanS_> fdoving: now its obex2://[00:1c:35:4f:0a:45] @bluetooth:10/Card memory
[03:58] <_StefanS_> fdoving: actually without [] 
[03:58] <fdoving> yep.
[03:58] <_StefanS_> fdoving: if you click up in konqy you get this url: obex2://00@bluetooth:10/Card memory
[03:58] <_StefanS_> fdoving: and the stuff dont work.
[03:59] <_StefanS_> fdoving: I have now added those [] , and now konqy gives me maltformed url ... dialog
[03:59] <_StefanS_> fdoving: removing the bluetooth from the url doesn't work either, as it can connect.
[03:59] <_StefanS_> can/cant
[03:59] <_StefanS_> but thats what I'm looking into now
[04:00] <fdoving> did you figure out what removes some of the address in the first place?
[04:00] <_StefanS_> but dont think kdebluetooth can work without setHost("bluetooth"), and therefore the patch for kurl.cpp to understand the new url should be.
[04:00] <_StefanS_> fdoving: I did.
[04:00] <fdoving> username/pass things?
[04:00] <_StefanS_> fdoving: yep
[04:00] <fdoving> does it use KURL->path() ?
[04:00] <_StefanS_> nope. url.
[04:01] <fdoving> can you point me to where this is done in kdebluetooth sources?
[04:01] <_StefanS_> sure
[04:02] <_StefanS_> fdoving: kdebluetooth-1.0~beta4/kdebluetooth/kioslave/sdp/btsdp.cpp (setHost() bluetooth stuff)
[04:03] <_StefanS_> fdoving: kdebluetooth-1.0~beta4/kdebluetooth/kioslave/obex/kio_obex/obeximpl.cpp|h for the url stuff
[04:03] <_StefanS_> fdoving: maybe you can figure it out :)
[04:03] <fdoving>             obexFtpURL.setUser(mAddress);
[04:04] <_StefanS_> thats the mac-address
[04:04] <fdoving> so that's the 00:1c:35:4f:0a:45 in your case.
[04:04] <_StefanS_> yep
[04:04] <fdoving> did you change mAddress ?
[04:04] <fdoving> to include the [] 
[04:04] <_StefanS_> yep
[04:04] <_StefanS_> lemme find the line
[04:05] <_StefanS_> its where it says mAddress = host
[04:06] <_StefanS_> fdoving: at 110, : mAddress = "[" + host + "] ";
[04:06] <fdoving> where do you remove them?
[04:07] <fdoving> you probably need to remove them before it's actually used for anything.
[04:08] <Riddell> _StefanS_: available in gutsy or feisty?
[04:12] <_StefanS_> gutsy
[04:13] <fdoving> _StefanS_: for example in: kioslave/sdp/btsdp.cpp void SdpProtocol::listDir(const KURL &url)
[04:14] <_StefanS_> fdoving: well I didn't finish, so it might work if they're stripped
[04:14] <ryanakca> oooh :) http://kde.org/announcements/announce-4.0-beta1.php
[04:15] <_StefanS_> fdoving: I'll try it
[04:16] <rbrunhuber8995> Riddell : you are the greatest!
[04:17] <Riddell> moi?
[04:17] <rbrunhuber8995> Riddell: Si
[04:17] <Riddell> better than Bono?
[04:17] <rbrunhuber8995> Riddell : The U2 Bono?
[04:17] <Riddell> yes
[04:18] <rbrunhuber8995> Riddell : Yes, because Bono did not package KDE 4 Beta 1 :-)
[04:18] <Riddell> :)
[04:19] <manchicken> Riddell: Did you package the beta already?
[04:19] <_StefanS_> fdoving: kio_obex2: kio_obexProtocol::setHost(host=bluetooth, port=10, user=00, pass=1c:35:4f:0a:45)
[04:19] <_StefanS_> fdoving: hehe the mac is splitted :)
[04:19] <fdoving> _StefanS_: nice. so much for using kurl for everything.
[04:20] <Riddell> manchicken: naw, I was waiting for bono to do it
[04:20] <_StefanS_> fdoving: definitely has its bugs ;)
[04:20] <manchicken> Riddell: Well, Bono won't even fight against DRM, so I don't hold out much hope.
[04:20] <fdoving> _StefanS_: when it's used for things it's not designed to do.. yeah.
[04:20] <rbrunhuber8995> manchicken: At least heise.de found the announcement: http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-beta1.php
[04:21] <_StefanS_> fdoving: I'm doing a nasty thing here ... QString bhost=user+pass; :)
[04:21] <fdoving> _StefanS_: but the 00 remain after an UP.
[04:21] <_StefanS_> fdoving: yes but password is not disclosed i think
[04:22] <fdoving> _StefanS_: didn't understand what you just meant by user+pass, but if we could set the whole mac in the user= field, and drop password..
[04:22] <_StefanS_> fdoving: yes, it was sorta the same thing i meant.
[04:22] <fdoving> _StefanS_: you can have KURL display the password, it's only hidden when prettyURL is used.. iirc.
[04:22] <_StefanS_> fdoving: that explains that part atlest.
[04:22] <_StefanS_> atleast
[04:23] <fdoving> _StefanS_: http://api.kde.org/3.5-api/kdelibs-apidocs/kdecore/html/classKURL.html#9382bc0e035124e884f755cff962530f
[04:23] <fdoving> Does not contain the password if the URL has one, use url() if you need to have it in the string.
[04:23] <_StefanS_> fdoving: problem is that what we get back from kURl is borked
[04:23] <fdoving> _StefanS_: when doing what call?
[04:24] <_StefanS_> fdoving: yep
[04:24] <_StefanS_> fdoving: I dont split it anywhere..
[04:25] <fdoving> so kurl decides that the first : is a splitter.
[04:25] <_StefanS_> yep.
[04:25] <_StefanS_> user:password@host thingy
[04:26] <fdoving> yep.
[04:26] <_StefanS_> so..
[04:27] <_StefanS_> I kinda puzzled as to what we should do.. 1) patch kdebluetooth to take the "wrong" url and make it right 2) patch kdelibs/kdecore to possibly screw up alot, but make kdebluetooth work.
[04:27] <_StefanS_> I/I'm
[04:27] <fdoving> 1)
[04:27] <_StefanS_> yep.
[04:27] <_StefanS_> least probs
[04:27] <_StefanS_> doing that now.
[04:28] <_StefanS_> fdoving: probably first tonight, but I'll fix it.
[04:29] <_StefanS_> Tonio__: read ^
[04:29] <fdoving> _StefanS_: is there set a user?
[04:29] <fdoving> _StefanS_: because: a password can only appear in a URL string if you also set a user, see setUser().
[04:29] <fdoving> from api.kde.org
[04:29] <_StefanS_> fdoving: yep .. 00 :)
[04:29] <_StefanS_> no worries on that part
[04:29] <fdoving> _StefanS_: is that set in code somwehere, or does kurl do that itself?
[04:30] <fdoving> or is user the only thing set in code.
[04:30] <fdoving> and kurl makes everything after the first : a pass.
[04:31] <fdoving> the latter is correct.
[04:31] <_StefanS_> fdoving: the code says so ;)
[04:31] <_StefanS_> fdoving: kurl is just trying to be all smart.
[04:32] <fdoving> yep, or kdebluetooth is very dumb.
[04:32] <fdoving> using : in usernames.
[04:32] <fdoving> because the username isn't a username after all :)
[04:32] <_StefanS_> hehe well .. kio is broken then.
[04:32] <_StefanS_> shouldn't use urls at all.
[04:33] <_StefanS_> sort of a fits all approach. Only it doesn't fit.
[04:33] <_StefanS_> well..
[04:33] <fdoving> would fit if they did it the old-way,
[04:33] <fdoving> strip the []  before usage.
[04:34] <_StefanS_> well I just leave out []  entirely as it doesn't matter. : is the problem.
[04:34] <fdoving> then replace : with something else, - or something.
[04:35] <fdoving> then reverse on usage.
[04:35] <_StefanS_> uhm well good idea
[04:35] <_StefanS_> probably the nicest one.
[04:44] <_StefanS_> gotta go. be back later
[04:45] <fdoving> see you around.
[04:49] <lontra> where is the default colour scheme for kubuntu kept (i.e. what package and where is it physically install to)
[04:50] <Hobbsee> kubuntu-default-settings
[04:50] <Hobbsee> and use dpkg -L kubuntu-default-settings for the latter answer
[04:52] <lontra> Hobbsee: do you know what the file is called?
[04:52] <Hobbsee> lontra: not offhand, but it's in artwork/ or a similar directory
[04:53] <Riddell> kdeglobals mostly
[04:54] <Riddell> it's also /usr/share/kubuntu-default-settings/kde-profile/default/share/apps/kdisplay/color-schemes/kubuntuColours.kcsrc but that's not actually used unless the user changes colour scheme
[05:06] <nixternal> good morning
[05:07] <ScottK> Good morning nixternal
[05:09] <Hobbsee> erk!
[05:09] <ScottK> It only feels that way.
[05:09] <ScottK> It'll make you stronger.
[05:10] <Hobbsee> it's...like...15 mins long, and i dont know the subject matter, and i havent prepared it at all
[05:10] <ScottK> Two weeks is plenty of time to be an expert.
[05:10] <ScottK> Sounds thrilling.
[05:11] <ScottK> Just the sort of news one wants right before trying to sleep.
[05:11] <Hobbsee> yeah, well.
[05:11] <Hobbsee> oh well, time for bed.
[05:11] <Hobbsee> night all
[05:12] <ScottK> Good night Hobbsee
[05:12] <fdoving> yay, i made kdebluetooth work with Up.
[05:12] <fdoving> Tonio__: ^^
[05:19] <lontra> Riddell: thanks
[05:21] <Tonio__> fdoving: you rock :)
[05:21] <Tonio__> fdoving: don't forget to email me the patch
[05:21] <fdoving> Tonio__: i will, and i'll cc stefans.
[05:22] <Tonio__> fdoving: super
[05:22] <Tonio__> fdoving: beta5 unfortunatelly has a lot of regressions, I'll have to take care of initial upload
[05:22] <Tonio__> fdoving: I'll probably upload tonight
[05:24] <ScottK> Tonio__: I'm working on the new klamav upstream.  Do you want me to leave you as Maintainer or make you Original-Maintainer?
[05:27] <Tonio__> ScottK: just become maintainer :)
[05:27] <ScottK> No thank you.
[05:27] <Riddell> Maintainer should be MOTU
[05:27] <ScottK> I don't actually use my ubuntu.com address.
[05:27] <ScottK> OK.
[05:28] <fdoving> Tonio__: mail sent.
[05:29] <fdoving> Tonio__: what i did, was to replace : with - in the mac for the bluetooth device. that way KURL doesn't mess things up.
[05:31] <Tonio__> fdoving: grat
[05:31] <Tonio__> great
[05:35] <bobesponja> is there a mirror that already has kde 3.92 package?, I can't seem to find any as announced on http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-beta1.php
[05:36] <nixternal> Riddell: did you get a chance to look at that kvkbd package?
[05:37] <Riddell> nixternal: nope, where is it again?
[05:37] <fdoving> Tonio__: are you in contact with kdebluetooth upstream?
[05:38] <nixternal> http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=6298
[05:38] <Tonio__> fdoving: nope but I can
[05:38] <fdoving> Tonio__: if you're not, i'll just mail our current patches and ask for comments etc
[05:39] <Tonio__> sure
[05:41] <fdoving> sent.
[05:44] <ryanakca> Where in k-d-s is the katapult config file? I'm thinking of coloring it blue instead of purple (if nobody minds)
[05:44] <Tonio__> ryanakca: kde-rc-files/katapultrc
[05:44] <nixternal> ryanakca: as long as you use crayola crayons, then go for it :)
[05:45] <nixternal> haha
[05:45] <mikkael> i just tried this without success: http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-beta1.php
[05:45] <mikkael> neither the full session nor xephyr is working for me :/
[05:46] <nixternal> xephyr has never worked for me..no matter what I tried
[05:46] <nixternal> mikkael: are you getting an error when logging in, or does it just kick you back out to the login screen?
[05:47] <mikkael> the last
[05:47] <nixternal> I have heard a few people saying that...
[05:47] <nixternal> I haven't tried the new packages just yet
[05:48] <Riddell> nixternal: 1 issue http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=6298
[05:48] <Riddell> mikkael: do individual programmes work?
[05:48] <mikkael> im not able to start a kde4 session, just followed this steps here  http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-beta1.php
[05:49] <mikkael> !paste
[05:49] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[05:49] <nixternal> did you export home?
[05:49] <mikkael> did i do right with the startkde script: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/32244/
[05:50] <nixternal> Riddell: you forgot to add 'export KDEHOME=~/.kde4' in there
[05:50] <Riddell> mikkael: yes
[05:50] <Riddell> nixternal: no, it's compiled in to use that now
[05:50] <nixternal> oh cool
[05:50] <Riddell> mikkael: do individual programmes work?
[05:50] <mikkael> Riddell: im on kde3 right now, have not yet logged into kde4
[05:51] <Riddell> mikkael: regardless, try and start them
[05:51] <Riddell> with the environment variables set
[05:51] <mikkael> when i choose the kde 4 session at kdm, fill in my login, i get thrown back to login screen
[05:51] <Riddell> so you said
[05:51] <fdoving> TheFuzzball in #kubuntu experience the same problem.
[05:51] <Riddell> try running a kde 4 application from a kde 3 session
[05:52] <mikkael> ah for example
[05:52] <mikkael> ?
[05:52] <Riddell> konsole
[05:53] <mikkael> hmm this give me kde 3
[05:53] <Riddell> "with the environment variables set"
[05:53] <mikkael> yes, sorry forgot to
[05:53] <mikkael> ill try a full session now and report
[05:53] <mikkael> brb
[05:53] <Riddell> no
[05:53] <Riddell> oh jings
[05:54] <ryanakca> hehe
[05:55] <ryanakca> Riddell: mind if I 'update' the current yakuake theme to blue? or would that be up to kwwii?
[06:07] <mikkael> up and running!
[06:07] <nixternal> Riddell: at the top of copying.lib, should I place something like "this license is for the files located in the admin/ directory"?
[06:07] <Riddell> nixternal: no
[06:07] <nixternal> roger that, just add COPYING.LIB to the root dir, and create the .orig and that's good?
[06:07] <Riddell> mikkael: what did you change?
[06:07] <Riddell> nixternal: yep
[06:07] <nixternal> well add stuff to debian/ of course
[06:07] <mikkael> added the export line of KDEHOME to ths startkde script
[06:07] <mikkael> this is missing on the kubuntu announce
[06:07] <Riddell> mikkael: what did you set KDEHOME to?
[06:07] <mikkael> what you did write earlier
[06:07] <fdoving> Riddell: 18:01 < TheFuzzball> right, When I run startkde in a terminal I get this error ".: 85; Can't open /home/.kde4/shar/config/startupconfig" does anyone else have this problem?
[06:07] <kwwii> ryanakca: if the blue fits well with the new bg it would be fine by me
[06:07] <kwwii> if you wouldn't mind, make a screenshot
[06:07] <kwwii> time for YaM
[06:07] <ryanakca> methinks it'll need a patch to katapult sources, unless there's a way to create a theme and put it in k-d-s
[06:07] <Riddell> katapult?  for yakake?
[06:07] <nixternal> test building kvkbd now and will reupload it here in a minute
[06:08] <nixternal> Riddell: also, I contacted the developer with the requests that were listed in the spec...Resizable window will be worked on, as for the macros and one button key selection, him and I both don't fully understand
[06:09] <nixternal> also, he seems a little busy with personal life right now, but will be getting back to its development
[06:10] <nixternal> I will also need some guidance on adding the info into k-d-s, unless someone wants to whip whatever is needed up quickly
[06:12] <mikkael> Riddell: here on the announcement: http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-beta1.php is this export line missing: export KDEHOME=~/.kde4
[06:13] <Riddell> mikkael: I've added it now, but I'm still puzzled as to why that could make a difference
[06:14] <mikkael> well thanks for helping me to get this started..just wanted to have a look and play around a bit. it seems all evolving great..
[06:14] <Riddell> thanks for testing
[06:15] <ScottK> nixternal: I'm looking at kvkbd now.
[06:15] <Riddell> mikkael: are you on gutsy or feisty?
[06:15] <mikkael> gutsy
[06:15] <nixternal> Riddell: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=6305
[06:16] <Riddell> "That's all there is to it!" huh?
[06:16] <ScottK> nixternal: I'm looking at it now (unless you'd rather do it, Riddell)?
[06:17] <Riddell> wow, that really is at the end of the LGPL
[06:17] <Tonio__> fdoving: does a kcmshell kcm_btpaired crash for you ?
[06:17] <Tonio__> fdoving: segfaults here
[06:17] <Riddell> ScottK: needs me and someone else
[06:17] <nixternal> ScottK: fyi - that is going into main, tis why I bugged mr. JR :0
[06:17] <nixternal> hahahahahaha Riddell...I seen that when I copied and pasted it into the copying file
[06:17] <nixternal> that was the first time I ever seen that
[06:17] <fdoving> Tonio__: yep, confirmed.
[06:17] <ScottK> Riddell: Except nixternal is MOTU, so he counts as one of the two now.
[06:18] <nixternal> not for Main, I don't count yet :)
[06:18] <Tonio__> fdoving: oki I'm trying to fix this one
[06:18] <ScottK> Then I don't either.
[06:18] <nixternal> lol
[06:18] <fdoving> Tonio__: great :)
[06:18] <nixternal> ScottK: you can still have a cookie though
[06:18] <Tonio__> fdoving: there is also a big regression on the input wizzard, but that's due to today's commit svn
[06:18] <ScottK> Great. It's lunch time here.
[06:18] <Tonio__> fdoving: no doubt it'"ll be fixed soon
[06:19] <ScottK> If Riddell is reviewing, I'm either unneccessary or don't count, so I'll go do something else...
[06:20] <fdoving> Tonio__: good. bbl, kid needs food.
[06:20] <Riddell> ScottK: I've already advocated :)
[06:20] <Riddell> nixternal: go ahead and upload then
[06:20] <ScottK> Cool.  nixternal, why don't you upload it then.
[06:20] <Riddell> next would be a main inclusion report
[06:20] <Tonio__> fdoving: hehe
[06:21] <nixternal> Riddell: upload it to universe I take it?
[06:21] <nixternal> and then from there we do the MIR and it gets moved
[06:21] <nixternal> gotcha
[06:21] <nixternal> uploaded!
[06:22] <ScottK> Yeah.
[06:22] <nixternal> hehe, groovy
[06:23] <nixternal> OK, need to go take my philosophy final...see ya in a bit
[06:23] <Riddell> just go all RMS on them
[06:23] <Riddell> good luck
[06:23] <ScottK> Just answer "Orbital laser death rays" to everything and then complain they don't understand.
[06:23] <ScottK> Good luck.
[06:25] <nixternal> haha, thanks
[07:06] <fdoving> is anyone investigating the nspluginview-100-cpu issue?
[07:06] <fdoving> s/100/100%/
[07:08] <Riddell> not that I know of
[07:09] <fdoving> it's very annoying.
[07:31] <DaSkreech> kwwii: I volunteer to review any of the pizzas that come in
[07:31] <kwwii> DaSkreech: funny enough my wife is making a pizza at this moment
[07:31] <kwwii> ;-)
[07:32] <DaSkreech> kk
[08:05] <ScottK> I'm working on updating Klamav based on the meeting discussion yesterday.
[08:05] <ScottK> I'd appreciate comments on the modified Clamav upgrade notification I'm going to use.
[08:06] <ScottK> Please see http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/32261 and let me know what you think.
[08:16] <lontra> will klamav  be default in gutsy?
[08:17] <ScottK> Not sure what you mean?
[08:17] <ScottK> It will not be installed by default.
[08:17] <lontra> ScottK: like will it be part of the kubuntu-desktop meta package
[08:17] <lontra> ScottK: ok
[08:17] <ScottK> No.
[08:17] <ScottK> It's in Universe, not in Main, so it's not eligible.
[08:18] <lontra> btw ... will network-manager-kde be replacing knetworkmanager in gutsy?  i noticed that upgrading to gutsy removes knetworkmanager but doesn't install network-manager-kde ... which is strange to me since it's the same program
[08:18] <ScottK> But you will be able to install it through Adept or Apt.
[08:18] <ScottK> IIRC, yes, but I'm not the best person to ask.
[08:19] <lontra> gutsy is looking to be the best kubuntu release yet ... imo
[09:45] <nfoonf> hi
[09:45] <nfoonf> Folks, does anyone of you know, whats up with kde 4 beta 1 Packages in Feisty Backports?
[09:45] <fdoving> are there problems?
[09:46] <nfoonf> seems they're not available...
[09:46] <apachelogger> nfoonf: because they aren't uploaded yet I guess ;-)
[09:46] <apachelogger> or maybe they are but not yet built
[09:46] <nfoonf> hmmm...
[09:47] <nfoonf> okay.. seems some1 has opened a wikipage already...
[09:48] <nfoonf> kde.org is also talking about ready kubuntu packages in the beta 1 release announcement
[09:49] <nfoonf> okay.. thanx for the Infos.. keep up the good work...
[09:50] <fdoving> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kde4base/3.92.0-0ubuntu1~feisty1
[09:50] <fdoving> Riddell: dependency-wait on https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kde4base/3.92.0-0ubuntu1~feisty1
[09:50] <fdoving> what does that mean?
[09:54] <fdoving> libcaptury-dev isn't available on feisty.
[09:56] <stdin> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libcaptury/0.3.0+svn20070725-0ubuntu1~feisty1 < building now
[09:57] <Riddell> yep, it's in accepted
[09:57] <Riddell> publisher will run in 10 minutes and put it into the archive in about 40 minutes time
[09:57] <Riddell> dunno how long it'll take for kde4base to decide to compile after that
[09:59] <fdoving> how hardcore are the buildservers? quadcore with 8G+ ram and super-fast disks?
[10:00] <fdoving> kdebase is rather big.
[10:01] <stdin> I know one of canoniclas LTSP servers is a quad 2.66 with 16GB ram
[10:05] <Riddell> they all looked much the same when I saw round the data centre :)
[10:10] <fdoving> probably slightly faster than my laptop then :)
[10:16] <DaSkreech> Riddell: Have you heard any Ubuntu overtures about Smolt?
[10:17] <Riddell> DaSkreech: never heard of it
[10:18] <DaSkreech> Fedora's New project of an opt-in hardware database
[10:18] <DaSkreech> They are asking other Distros to jump in and participate make use of it so it becomes a Linux community effort ratehr than a Fedora
[10:19] <DaSkreech> I would assume that Ubuntu was one of the lucky invitees
[10:21] <Riddell> not cross my inbox at least
[10:33] <DaSkreech> Ok I'll go bug #ubuntu-devel
[10:46] <DaSkreech> Riddell: Looks like we are interested in smolt
[10:47] <DaSkreech> Lets see if they have a QT front end :)
[10:55] <DaSkreech> What's the package that gives the new fancy mange repos on Adept?
[10:56] <DaSkreech> Manage
[10:56] <fdoving> software-properties-kde
[10:56] <DaSkreech> Thanks
[11:18] <DaSkreech> Riddell: Course you know that this was in KDE repos already :(
[11:19] <Riddell> what was?
[11:20] <fdoving> where is that app?
[11:23] <fdoving> DaSkreech: where is that app?
[11:23] <DaSkreech> Knoware
[11:23] <DaSkreech> in KDE svn
[11:26] <sahin_h> Riddell: Thanks for the Gusty KDE4 packages! It's better to play with KDE4 on Gutsy than KDE4 Live CD.
[11:29] <DaSkreech> fdoving: http://developer.kde.org/summerofcode/knoware.html
[11:29] <fdoving> DaSkreech: it's compiling. :)
[11:30] <DaSkreech> ha ha :)
[11:32] <fdoving> DaSkreech: did you read anywhere that it supports smolt in any way?
[11:32] <DaSkreech> fdoving: I've e-mailed him a few times but he seems a hard core Python guy now
[11:32] <DaSkreech> fdoving: This is years before smolt :)
[11:32] <fdoving> right.. 2005.
[11:33] <fdoving> the smoltgui is dead simple.
[11:33] <fdoving> .py of course.
[11:40] <DaSkreech> :-)
[11:40] <DaSkreech> If it has layers tehn Knoware could leverage it
[11:45] <DaSkreech> fdoving: I may be too rosy eyed about smolt but it looks to be multi layered
[11:46] <DaSkreech> There can be a Knoware layer then that could use Knoware as the front end and leverage a separate backend for analysis
[11:56] <fdoving> maybe, i have no clue how it works.