[12:16] <Koool> There is desktop effects in Kubuntu (like ubuntu integrated ) ?
[12:16] <stdin> Koool: not decided yet
[12:16] <manu_> hm is there a thunderbird support channel?
[12:16] <Koool> cant install xgl ?
[12:16] <manu_> i wanted to use esgys 1.5 thunderbird with webmail and hotmail
[12:16] <vzduch> manu_: there is, on Mozilla IRC
[12:16] <manu_> but i've some trouble with it
[12:17] <BluesKaj> manu_, what's wrong ?
[12:17] <manu_> BluesKaj: the official website of webmail has only version 1-2-3 for download but 1.5 seems only to work with 1-0-X
[12:17] <stdin> Koool: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/Xgl
[12:18] <manu_> but the 1-2-3 hotmail plugin versionw as isntalled corectly
[12:18] <stdin> manu_: take a look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ThunderbirdNewVersion
[12:18] <manu_> i created it as pop account, it seems that emails are not automatically checked, i cant see my messages on the server, but i can send messages via hotmail
[12:19] <BluesKaj> sorry manu_ ...no idea about hotmail plugin
[12:20] <BluesKaj> I use thunderbird strictly on it's own , any webmail is handled thru the browser
[12:21] <manu_> vzduch: where is mozilla irc?
[12:21] <stdin> irc.mozilla.org
[12:21] <manu_> BluesKaj: ok^^ but i like the bird and tehre seems to be a possibility :)
[12:27] <manu_> in mozilla irc none is responding
[12:28] <rrbiz> chatzilla plugin for mozilla
[12:28] <vzduch> !patience | manu_, this goes for Mozilla IRC as well
[12:28] <ubotu> manu_, this goes for Mozilla IRC as well: The people here are volunteers, your attitude may determine how fast you are helped.  Not everyone is available all the time, likewise not every answer is available instantly. See also http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines
[12:30] <manu_> ok
[12:32] <stdin> manu_: did you look at that link?
[12:33] <stdin> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ThunderbirdNewVersion
[12:35] <KrammerLappy> how do i uninstalled packages that i've installed in lets say the last day
[12:35] <KrammerLappy> ?
[12:35] <KrammerLappy> and i dont know what they were
[12:36] <KrammerLappy> but i can't boot now...
[12:38] <vzduch> well, if you can't boot, you can't uninstall..
[12:39] <KrammerLappy> i cant uses apt-get from the recovery console?
[12:39] <KrammerLappy> use*
[12:40] <rrbiz> i think u should be able to
[12:40] <stdin> so you *can* boot?
[12:40] <KrammerLappy> it just stays at the blinking cursor
[12:41] <stdin> what if you choose another kernel version from the grub menu?
[12:41] <KrammerLappy> i cleared those out...
[12:41] <KrammerLappy> : /
[12:41] <stdin> that's a lessen learnt then
[12:41] <KrammerLappy> hmph
[12:42] <KrammerLappy> theres no way to unintall packeges
[12:42] <stdin> did you just remove the menu entry's or remove the packages?
[12:42] <KrammerLappy> based on date?
[12:42] <KrammerLappy> menu entry's
[12:42] <lontra> how can i make konqueror have the default settings?
[12:42] <stdin> then you can still boot them, just means you have to do it manually
[12:42] <stdin> KrammerLappy: does recovery mode work?
[12:42] <KrammerLappy> yes
[12:43] <KrammerLappy> i am in it right now
[12:43] <stdin> KrammerLappy: just a question, do you have an nvidia or ati graphics card?
[12:43] <KrammerLappy> ati
[12:44] <stdin> did you install the binary driver?
[12:44] <jhutchins> Anybody know of a PHP script that will display an iCal file as a calendar?
[12:44] <KrammerLappy> yeah
[12:44] <stdin> KrammerLappy: how?
[12:45] <KrammerLappy> i had dual moitors working great
[12:45] <KrammerLappy> monitors
[12:45] <KrammerLappy> i did it a while ago...dont really remember
[12:45] <stdin> KrammerLappy: did download it from ait.com or install from adept/apt?
[12:45] <KrammerLappy> ummm
[12:46] <KrammerLappy> i know i tried both
[12:46] <Prowler_1> hello, my screen resozution limit's to 640x480 how to edit xorg.file?
[12:46] <stdin> if you downloaded it from ati then that's probably why it's broke now
[12:46] <stdin> !xconfig | Prowler_1
[12:46] <ubotu> Prowler_1: To reconfigure your X server, open a console and type  sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg  - To configure only the driver and resolution, type  sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg -phigh  - See also !FixRes
[12:47] <KrammerLappy> i dont know if its that though...i didn't do that recently
[12:47] <Prowler_1> !FixRes
[12:47] <ubotu> The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type  sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart  in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[12:47] <KrammerLappy> it happened after some packages i installed
[12:47] <KrammerLappy> and then rebooted
[12:48] <Prowler_1> md5sum: /etc/X11/xorg.conf: No such file or directory
[12:48] <stdin> KrammerLappy: yeah, if the kernel was updated, and you used the download from ati, then it would stop X from starting
[12:48] <KrammerLappy> doh!
[12:49] <KrammerLappy> how do i go to my other kernels
[12:49] <KrammerLappy> if there no in the boot menu
[12:49] <stdin> KrammerLappy: how many files dose "ls /boot/vmlinuz*" show?
[12:51] <KrammerLappy> 4
[12:51] <totor> salut!!!
[12:52] <stdin> KrammerLappy: what's the one with the highest number?
[12:52] <stdin> !fr | totor
[12:52] <ubotu> totor: Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[12:52] <KrammerLappy> 2.6.20-16
[12:53] <stdin> KrammerLappy: and there is a 2.6.20.15 too?
[12:53] <intelikey> anyone know why nvidia drivers don't work for me ???   http://ubuntu.pastebin.us/38631
[12:53] <Riddell> DaSkreech: you wanted me to poke you?
[12:53] <KrammerLappy> nope thats not there
[12:53] <DaSkreech> Riddell: si. You said there is a Edubuntu KDE desktop?
[12:53] <stdin> KrammerLappy: i meant 2.6.20-15
[12:54] <DaSkreech> Kool:you can install compiz in KDE
[12:54] <DaSkreech> same basic concept
[12:54] <Ace2016> intelikey: what card do you have?
[12:54] <KrammerLappy> yeah...that ones not there
[12:54] <Riddell> DaSkreech: edubuntu-desktop-kde package is in
[12:54] <intelikey> Ace2016 riva128 agp
[12:54] <Ace2016> new cards need the beta driver
[12:54] <stdin> intelikey: do you have restricted enabled?
[12:54] <DaSkreech> !info edubuntu-desktop-kde gutsy
[12:54] <ubotu> edubuntu-desktop-kde: edubuntu desktop system with KDE desktop. In component main, is optional. Version 1.36 (gutsy), package size 14 kB, installed size 44 kB
[12:54] <DaSkreech> Nice
[12:55] <DaSkreech> I'll try that on 1/2 of the computers I install at the school
[12:55] <Riddell> DaSkreech: it's just kubuntu-desktop with kdeedu and ltsp-control-thingy
[12:55] <intelikey> stdin ummm did have  but that's not the point.  the driver is a build from the site
[12:55] <Riddell> DaSkreech: suggestions for other stuff to add to it welcome
[12:55] <stdin> KrammerLappy: and what does "mount | grep ' / ' " show?
[12:55] <Riddell> DaSkreech: I'd like a k-d-s extension to use the kids icon theme for example
[12:55] <DaSkreech> Riddell: So I'd have to install edubuntu-desktop and edubuntu-desktop-kde ?
[12:56] <DaSkreech> To get all the edubuntu apps?
[12:56] <intelikey> stdin yeah that was the apt get error   good eye.   but it don't really help anything.
[12:56] <Ace2016> intelikey: try running sudo rmmod nvidia and then sudo modprobe nvidia, i had a strange problem with nvidia drivers when i compiled it using the nvidia installer from their site, after running those commands it works perfectly
[12:56] <Riddell> DaSkreech: depends on what you mean by all the edubuntu apps, that'll install two whole desktops which you may not want
[12:56] <KrammerLappy> uhh a lot of stuff
[12:56] <DaSkreech> I know.
[12:56] <KrammerLappy> what should i be looking for?
[12:56] <ubuntu__> if i install ubuntu to hda1 i can put win32 after?
[12:57] <DaSkreech> Riddell: installing just edubuntu-desktop-kde will get me all the edubuntu apps?
[12:57] <stdin> intelikey: well I see " -> Kernel module compilation complete."
[12:57] <DaSkreech> ubuntu___: sure. You will have to reinstall your grub menu
[12:57] <stdin> KrammerLappy: the part with /dev in ti
[12:57] <Riddell> DaSkreech: all the KDE ones at least, look at the seed for details
[12:57] <DaSkreech> ubuntu___: you probably want to do the partitioning for Windows first
[12:57] <DaSkreech> Riddell: ah.. hmm
[12:58] <solarwaver> no u dont understand i install first linux after windows?
[12:58] <solarwaver> no u dont understand i install first linux  & after the windows?
[12:58] <DaSkreech> solarwaver: hmm? generally you install windows first
[12:58] <MarcC> is there a Specto equivalent for KDE?
[12:58] <DaSkreech>  it makes life easier
[12:58] <stdin> KrammerLappy: actually, wait a sec. I was being dumb. you can just do "update-grub"
[12:58] <Riddell> DaSkreech: actually it does come with a bunch of gnome stuff too
[12:58] <KrammerLappy> ok
[12:58] <KrammerLappy> i'll try that
[12:59] <intelikey> Ace2016 http://ubuntu.pastebin.us/38632
[12:59] <Riddell> dia, gpaint, gobby and others
[12:59] <MarcC> http://specto.sf.net <-- sorry, there's a link
[12:59] <DaSkreech> Riddell: Oh sweet :)
[12:59] <KrammerLappy> k, so now im rebooting
[12:59] <KrammerLappy> and will choose the next one down
[12:59] <DaSkreech> Riddell: gcompris/
[12:59] <DaSkreech> ?
[12:59] <Riddell> DaSkreech: I didn't put gcompris in since it's not in edubuntu-desktop either
[01:00] <Riddell> DaSkreech: use edubuntu-addon-young for that
[01:00] <DaSkreech> Hmm could have sworn it was in there. I have it on all the machines I installed
[01:00] <solarwaver> no u dont understand i install first linux  & after the windows?if i put linux first ?
[01:00] <DaSkreech> course that was like Breezy
[01:00] <Riddell> yes, it's changed a lot since then
[01:00] <DaSkreech> solarwaver: :-) what's your main language?
[01:00] <stdin> MarcC: have you checked if it will work in kde?
[01:00] <solarwaver> english why?
[01:00] <stdin> woah
[01:01] <DaSkreech> cause you keep asking the same question and I keep answering
[01:01] <MarcC> stdin: I have, but...the taskbar icon has a white BG instead of transparent :/  ...so I thought I would ask :D
[01:01] <Pazy> Do any of you use hotmail?
[01:01] <stdin> !hotmail | Pazy
[01:01] <ubotu> Pazy: If you must use this microsoft product, consider hotway: hotwayd/hotsmtpd are POP3/SMTP-HTTPMail gateway daemons, also works for lycos spray and msn
[01:01] <DaSkreech> it does not matter which you install first. However to make life easy install windows first then linux
[01:01] <solarwaver> my friend u said that generally they put win 1st and i ask u if i put linux 1st there is a problem?
[01:01] <KrammerLappy> stdin: next kernel down is still doing the same thing
[01:01] <Pazy> What is what garbage?
[01:01] <DaSkreech> When did ubotu get so Microsoft hostile?
[01:02] <intelikey> stdin the ubuntu "restricted" driver doesn't work, i tried it first and someone said i had to get that one and build it.   did   still same issue.     (just a side note: if you cp /usr/share/common-licenses/GPL /tmp/selfgz1075/NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-7185-pkg1/LICENSE    then start the thing you can agree to the GNU-GPL   :)
[01:02] <Pazy> I just wanted to know if any of you use it, and if you feel 'dirty' accessing it on linux lol
[01:03] <stdin> intelikey: nice :p, it looks like the driver compiled anyway so check your Xorg.0.log ?
[01:04] <stdin> Pazy: no, and if I did I would feel 'dirty' accessing it on any OS
[01:04] <intelikey> stdin i haven't started xorg sense then   it errors out with driver nvidia
[01:04] <stdin> intelikey: it says it compiled: "-> Kernel module compilation complete."
[01:05] <intelikey> Ace2016 i built that with 2.4.27-k6 (which i use)   and also with 2.6.15-28-386  same results both way.
[01:06] <intelikey> stdin yes but don't you like have to insert the kernel module before it is any good  ? ? ? ? ? ?
[01:06] <KrammerLappy> hmm
[01:06] <KrammerLappy> i'll try the next one down
[01:06] <KrammerLappy> lol
[01:06] <stdin> intelikey: I think xorg should do that
[01:07] <su-hoens`rZ> I tried to install kubuntu but got an xorg error and then the startup hung
[01:07] <su-hoens`rZ> anyone know what's wong :/
[01:07] <intelikey> stdin if all that is required is having a kernel module i can copy one from M$  heh   the kernel has to accept the module
[01:07] <intelikey> and it doesn't
[01:07] <bauer> i have trouble installing c++ i keep missing something. Is threre a package to download the hole bunch off c++ dependencies ?
[01:07] <intelikey> http://ubuntu.pastebin.us/38632
[01:07] <stdin> bauer: build-essential
[01:08] <genii> bauer build-essential
[01:08] <bauer> just that
[01:08] <stdin> intelikey: ahh, odd
[01:08] <genii> Also you may want to install linux-headers if you intend to do some programming
[01:09] <intelikey> and trying to startx without the module inserted i get.  (EE) Failed to load module "nvidia" (module does not exist, 0)
[01:09] <intelikey> (EE) No drivers available.
[01:09] <stdin> genii: linux-headers isn't needed for programming
[01:10] <genii> stdin: Well, for drivers often
[01:10] <bauer> i can't install zope3 because i will compile some part off it and it is here all the trouble began
[01:10] <stdin> genii: most drivers aren't written in c++ either ;)
[01:10] <genii> stdin: Yeah striaght C I know
[01:11] <genii> bleh typos. I hate this freakin M$soft unnatural keyboard
[01:11] <stdin> intelikey: aren't there 3 versions of the driver, for different hardware? maybe you need another version
[01:11] <su-hoens`rZ> anyone know why the X server doesn't start when i'm trying to install? :(
[01:12] <genii> su-hoens`rZ: Perhaps instead of the intaller boot to the check CD and make sure your cdrom is good
[01:12] <su-hoens`rZ> genii i did that before installing and it passed :(
[01:12] <bauer> tryed "sudo build-essential" it says "build-essential: command not found "
[01:12] <intelikey> stdin that was supposed to be the one that would work with an  riva128  care to dubble check it ?
[01:13] <genii> bauer sudo apt-get install build-essential
[01:13] <bauer> thx
[01:14] <bauer> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[01:14] <bauer>   build-essential: Depends: libc6-dev but it is not going to be installed or
[01:14] <bauer>                             libc-dev
[01:14] <bauer>                    Depends: g++ (>= 4:4.0) but it is not going to be installed
[01:14] <bauer> E: Broken packages
[01:14] <genii> su-hoens`rZ: You can try vga mode
[01:14] <su-hoens`rZ> genii how?
[01:16] <DaSkreech> !info zope3
[01:16] <genii> Alex234: I am not sure from the normal livcd but perhaps F6 then add it as a kernel option to the boot line. You may need to get the alternate install cdrom however
[01:16] <ubotu> zope3: Open Source Web Application Server (Libraries). In component main, is optional. Version 3.3.1-0ubuntu3 (feisty), package size 4038 kB, installed size 28056 kB
[01:16] <genii> su-hoens`rZ: I am not sure from the normal livcd but perhaps F6 then add it as a kernel option to the boot line. You may need to get the alternate install cdrom however
[01:16] <DaSkreech> bauer: Zope3 is there
[01:16] <genii> Sorry, wrong channel :)
[01:17] <su-hoens`rZ> :(
[01:17] <su-hoens`rZ> genii ok thanks... i'm trying safe gfx mode first
[01:17] <su-hoens`rZ> does anyone have any partitioning advice for 2tbs of drives?
[01:18] <Biovore> su-hoens`rZ: is it hardware raided.. or seperate drives?
[01:18] <bauer> DaS DaSkreech yes but not the version ill wil use
[01:18] <intelikey> well i'm hung in traffic, looks like about an hour and an half lag
[01:18] <DaSkreech> su-hoens`rZ: Take .5 of it and send it to me
[01:19] <su-hoens`rZ> Biovore separate drives... i'm looking into what raid configs my mobo allows for
[01:19] <stdin> intelikey: /me is stumped
[01:19] <intelikey> what would you do with 2t of disks ???  install the internet ?
[01:20] <su-hoens`rZ> intelikey you're funny :)
[01:20] <su-hoens`rZ> well i managed to boot do a gfx environment
[01:20] <su-hoens`rZ> but i ddin't have a mouse connected
[01:20] <intelikey> "i'm going to backup the internet now so every body sync your servers..."    ;/
[01:20] <su-hoens`rZ> how can i reboot without hard rebooting?
[01:21] <stdin> su-hoens`rZ: "sudo shutdown -r now" will reboot
[01:21] <su-hoens`rZ> well
[01:21] <su-hoens`rZ> i don't have an xtrm :>
[01:21] <su-hoens`rZ> i just have a startup
[01:21] <su-hoens`rZ> with a mouse that isn't responding
[01:21] <crimsun> Roey: yes?
[01:21] <su-hoens`rZ> hmm maybe my usb mouse will work
[01:21] <stdin> su-hoens`rZ: kill X, Ctrl-Alt-Backspace
[01:22] <genii> su-hoens`rZ: For ps2 mice reboot is required. USB may work however
[01:22] <su-hoens`rZ> genii yeah i got it to reboot with usb mouse
[01:22] <genii> su-hoens`rZ: What cpu is in the machine? Single core or dual/quad core?
[01:23] <su-hoens`rZ> dual
[01:23] <genii> su-hoens`rZ: For some dual/quad additional kernel options may be needed like   notsc
[01:23] <genii> (disable time stamp counter in cpu)
[01:23] <su-hoens`rZ> genii needed for what?
[01:24] <sito_> where is knetworkmanager 0.2 for feisty ?
[01:24] <intelikey> yes usb mouse should pick right up   unplug and replug it maybe.
[01:24] <genii> su-hoens`rZ: To tell the kernel specifically how to handle your cpu. Because the default kernel is a generic one which most (but not all) should be OK with
[01:24] <sito_> where is knetworkmanager 0.2 for feisty ?
[01:25] <stdin> sito_: 0.1-0ubuntu12 is the version in feisty
[01:26] <sito_> stdin but isn't version for feisty ?
[01:26] <genii> su-hoens`rZ: The two most common kernel options which have some effect on stuck installs seems to be:   notsc   and  noacpi
[01:26] <intelikey> stdin i've been stumpted for 8 month now  heh.
[01:26] <stdin> sito_: no
[01:27] <sito_> i have a problem, mi pci wlan has detected with ra0, but not wlan0, why?
[01:27] <sito_> in gusty gibon is detected in wlan0
[01:28] <stdin> sito_: dose it still work?
[01:28] <sito_> stdin i'm spanish ... i dont know your answer
[01:29] <stdin> sito_: can you still connect with ra0 ?
[01:29] <stdin> !es
[01:29] <ubotu> Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[01:30] <sito_> i still connect with ra0 but not in knetworkmanager
[01:31] <sito_> i have 3 router wifi
[01:31] <intelikey> i'm going to ask again in #ubuntu see if anyone wants to pull hair in there...
[01:31] <sito_> what is the difference of ra0 eth0 and wlan0
[01:31] <genii> stdin: Well, on Tues and Wed I have like 15 hour workdays so I need a lot of it then :)
[01:32] <stdin> stdin: you may want to ask in #kubuntu-es
[01:32] <genii> intelikey: Ask em if they pull teeth while yer there...
[01:33] <intelikey> if anyone ever answers i will
[01:33] <ekrengel> stdin: im not sure what happend but it was my xorg.conf file
[01:33] <ekrengel> i restored to my backup
[01:33] <KrammerLappy> so
[01:34] <newb> Hello everyone, i was wondering if there is someone here who would be able to help me change the resulotion on my new kubuntu install
[01:34] <KrammerLappy> not sure what happend...i think i have my sessions to load where it left off
[01:34] <KrammerLappy> if it crashes
[01:34] <genii> work, AFK a while
[01:34] <KrammerLappy> i forget where to turn that off
[01:35] <janet> hi, my computer wont shutdown when i tell it to it only restarts everytime... any clue how i can fix that?
[01:35] <stdin> system settings  advanced  session manager
[01:35] <Minataku> Heya, genii
[01:35] <stdin> KrammerLappy: ^
[01:35] <Minataku> FREE UNICODE GIFTS FOR ALL
[01:35] <Minataku>  < A fax symbol,  < an upside-down ampersand,  < a one-half,  < an omega and  < an interrobang
[01:35] <Minataku> :D
[01:36] <janet> default was on restart...
[01:36] <KrammerLappy> ah there it is
[01:36] <KrammerLappy> thanks
[01:36] <janet> but it does it in windows to
[01:37] <purpleposeidon> sudo sudo sudo sudo sudo sudo su!
[01:38] <genii> Minataku: Heya :)
[01:38] <stdin> hmm
[01:38] <genii> on and off computer, kinda busy here right now
[01:40] <genii> BTW shameless plug : Anyone in / near Toronto can see some of my art in a group show at Art Gallery of Ontario :)
[01:40] <intelikey> nice spam genii     :)
[01:41] <intelikey> and iv'e see lots that wasn't nice  :)
[01:41] <genii> At least I'm not a bot LOL
[01:41] <genii> mostly back now
[01:42] <intelikey> true dat
[01:43] <Minataku>  < A sun,  < a cloud,  < an umbrella,  < a snowman and  < a telephone :3
[01:43] <genii> Minataku Just the telephone showed there
[01:43] <Minataku> genii: I've got the perfect one for you
[01:43] <Minataku>  < Some coffee! :D
[01:43] <genii> But it may be me, I am currently on a windoze box and Chatzilla
[01:44] <genii> likely no unicode
[01:44] <Biovore> Minataku: you can also do other languages like chinese and japanses, etc..
[01:44] <Minataku> Biovore: I know
[01:44] <stdin> heh, intelikey got a forward to #nvidia in #ubuntu :p
[01:45] <Biovore> lol
[01:45] <dmuser> Evening everyone
[01:45] <DaSkreech> a snowman?
[01:46] <DaSkreech> What?
[01:46] <dmuser> Is there a command to reactive gdm as my default desktop manager?  It's KDM right now
[01:46] <stdin> dmuser: sudo dpkg-reconfigure gdm
[01:46] <intelikey> sudo dpkg-reconfigure -plow gdm
[01:47] <dmuser> This will allow me to continue using KDE correct?  But under the GDM?
[01:47] <stdin> dmuser: yep
[01:47] <genii> argh
[01:48] <genii> AFK
[01:48] <stdin> it's not talk-like-a-pirate-day already is it?
[01:48] <Minataku>  < Don't touch! It's sharp!
[01:48] <dmuser> That worked, thanks
[01:50] <dsmith_> anyone use synergy here?
[01:50] <dsmith_> !synergy
[01:50] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about synergy - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:50] <genii> stdin: Avast ye squab!
[01:51] <DaSkreech> Minataku: Candy shop
[01:51] <stdin> argg, ye be a durty see dawg
[01:52] <Minataku> Heehee
[01:53] <baxtor> does anyone have an ATI radeon 9800pro with the latest drivers working on Kubunu 7.04?
[01:53] <genii> stdin: I like to use "argh" as a sign of frustration sometimes :) The kids here are driving me nuts right now
[01:53] <Minataku> Sorry all, I'm just bored X3
[01:53] <stdin> genii: I'm more partial to "ugg" myself :)
[01:54] <genii> bleh is not bad either
[01:54] <DaSkreech> genii: Photography or paintings?
[01:55] <genii> DaSkreech: My stuff is drawings actually. Portrtaits
[01:56] <DaSkreech> of the children?
[01:56] <stdin> maybe it's me, but #ubuntu users seem to be a bit "not-as-smart-as-#kubuntu-users"
[01:56] <Minataku> I usually use "AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!"
[01:56] <DaSkreech> Won't someone think of the children!!
[01:56] <genii> DaSkreech: Nah, some adults that come to the art program I run on Tues/Wed night
[01:56] <Minataku> Or I just swear a lot.
[01:56] <DaSkreech> Minataku: in Unicode!
[01:57] <DaSkreech> stdin: They are smart just not helpful
[01:57] <DaSkreech> stdin: and there are few people in #kubuntu-users
[01:57] <Minataku> 9.54
[01:57] <stdin> DaSkreech: someone has a md5sum mismatch, and replied with "laamee"
[01:58] <baxtor> is there anyone out there who could spare 10 mins to help me set up my ATi drivers?
[01:58] <DaSkreech> stdin: and he went off to encode MP3s?
[01:58] <DaSkreech> !ati
[01:58] <stdin> DaSkreech: no, he went to install wolfenstein.bin
[01:58] <intelikey> !bot | ubotu
[01:59] <stdin> SHUSH! ubotu is sleeping :p
[01:59] <genii> stdin: Yes, he certainly seems to be
[02:00] <baxtor> !ati
[02:00] <stdin> give him a while, he'll reboot and be good as new
[02:00] <stdin> then spam the channel
[02:00] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[02:00] <ubotu> ubotu: I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
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[02:01] <intelikey> no teeth pulling today
[02:01] <genii> heh
[02:01] <intelikey> only a few grey hairs
[02:03] <genii> AFK gotta go smack some kids around
[02:03] <Minataku> genii: Don't forget to send that box of parts sooner or later... please XD
[02:04] <genii> It went out yesterday
[02:04] <dmuser> I seem to have lost my RandR extension.  Anyone know what this is and how I fix it?
[02:11] <genii> OK kids are quieter now
[02:12] <genii> Minataku: I sent the box off yesterday
[02:12] <Minataku> genii: Awesome! :D
[02:12] <Minataku> Thank you so much ^^
[02:13] <Minataku> Say, did you get the SPARCstation 10 nameplate off damage-free?
[02:13] <genii> Minataku: There will be a second box next week
[02:13] <BluesKaj> genii, still got those cheap pcs for sale ?
[02:13] <Minataku> Poor Usada's still without one
[02:13] <Minataku> Since whoever had her last had scratched it up
[02:13] <Minataku> lol
[02:13] <genii> Minataku: Yeah I did but dunno if it's still in there. You'll have to look thru. If not I'll dig around here to find it. May have got tossed by boss
[02:14] <julio123> hello l need help  something is wrong with my menu colors http://img176.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screenshotao1.png
[02:14] <intelikey> well i got another unanimus #ubuntu "your card is not supported answer"   anyone in here care to reverse that ?
[02:14] <genii> BluesKaj: Yup, about 1500 or so left
[02:14] <Minataku> genii: Thanks
[02:14] <Minataku> Hopefullt it's there
[02:14] <BluesKaj> wow, P3s ?
[02:14] <Minataku> Otherwise I'll have to print one off XD
[02:15] <julio123> can anyone help me ?
[02:15] <intelikey> i can't help me  so let me try to help you
[02:15] <BluesKaj> julio123, just ask yer question
[02:16] <genii> BluesKaj: Nah mostly P2 400 with 6.5 HD and 192 RAM   ... we DO have maybe 20 P3, mostly 667,733 and 800Mhz range with 256 RAM and 10Gb HD
[02:16] <julio123>   something is wrong with my menu colors http://img176.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screenshotao1.png
[02:16] <BluesKaj> genii, city hall ?
[02:16] <intelikey> genii p2's with 6g drives   you are singing my song   :)
[02:16] <genii> BluesKaj: Yup, the old ones from Nathan Philips
[02:17] <genii> The machine I connect with in daytime actually is one of em, with only 128 Ram and running Feisty Kubuntu
[02:18] <intelikey> yeah  dapper here  but little differance    i did dubble the ram cause i had a stick lying around
[02:18] <BluesKaj> right ...hmmm  I may be going to visit my daughter in sept ...she lives near bayview/finch...how much for a p2 with the 6g hdd
[02:18] <Minataku> I don't care for old PCs unless they're laptops
[02:19] <Minataku> Or they're really old
[02:19] <genii> BluesKaj: With 6.06 Kubuntu, $79
[02:19] <Minataku> x86 is like a dirty whore... everywhere
[02:19] <Minataku> XD
[02:19] <Prowler_1> ATIConfig problem - after res config - monitor refresh rate to high (out of range)??
[02:20] <genii> !language
[02:20] <ubotu> Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[02:20] <Prowler_1> LOL :P
[02:20] <genii> ;)
[02:20] <Minataku> lol
[02:20] <rrbiz> $150 new laptops pretty soon, i'll be able to buy one for all my relatives and slap buntu on them, they'll come preinstalled with redhat, or just leave'em like that
[02:21] <genii> BluesKaj: Comes with 15" crt, keyboard, mouse
[02:21] <intelikey> leave em   linux is linux
[02:21] <BluesKaj> wifeys pc could use a second hdd ... cool , genii
[02:21] <genii> Pre-setup Conexant Winmodem
[02:22] <genii> I had to make a custom deb for that Winmodem LOL
[02:23] <intelikey> well if i can't get nvidia working i have no use for this 2.6 kernel so i'm going to remove it
[02:27] <genii> rrbiz: Those MIT things you wind up with a crank?
[02:27] <genii> no wait they were supposed to be like $50
[02:28] <rrbiz> genii: nah they're from sweeden and are actuall full size laptops
[02:30] <rrbiz> with all decent specs
[02:34] <Prowler_1> aticonfig problem refreshrate to high
[02:35] <julio123> rrbiz,sorry but where are u buying the laptop?l need one :)
[02:37] <rrbiz> julio123: it's : Medison Celebrity Laptop $150 but only news about it now
[02:39] <intelikey> reboot !  kernel
[02:40] <julio123> rrbiz,oh thanks l think l will be hard to get one of those laptops
[02:40] <draik> Hello all
[02:41] <draik> Quick question: What is the Linux equivalent to m$ One Note?
[02:42] <andreas_> ht
[02:43] <andreas_> hy
[02:43] <andreas_> hat es jemand mal geschafft sacred unter ubuntu laufen zu lassen?
[02:44] <stdin> !de | andreas_
[02:44] <andreas_> was?
[02:44] <stdin> andreas_: /join #kubuntu-de
[02:45] <DaSkreech> draik: What does that do?
[02:45] <dick-richardson> what's the kubuntu equivilent of 'update-manager -d'?
[02:45] <BluesKaj> stdin, ubotu is a bit slow this evening
[02:45] <draik> DaSkreech: It's almost like word, but all the things you enter are in a "notebook". It's for college students
[02:46] <DaSkreech> ah
[02:46] <DaSkreech> Still no idea what you are talking about :)
[02:46] <draik> My friend's daughter is thinking about converting to Ubuntu, but wants to make sure she can have her One Note
[02:46] <dick-richardson> I guess a better question would be...what's a good method for upgrading to gutsy
[02:46] <DaSkreech> draik: See if it runs under Wine
[02:46] <DaSkreech> !upgrade
[02:46] <draik> DaSkreech: http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/onenote/FX100487701033.aspx
[02:47] <squirrel> hi, how do I overcome this error - sh: phpize: not found. ERROR: `phpize' failed
[02:47] <ubotu> andreas_: Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[02:47] <ubotu> See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes for upgrading from Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy Eft) to Kubuntu 7.04 (Feisty Fawn)
[02:48] <DaSkreech> dick-richardson: ^^^^
[02:48] <DaSkreech> except ... you know ... for gutsy
[02:48] <stdin> dick-richardson: i just replaced all instances of "feisty" to "gutsy" in /etc/apt/sources.list
[02:49] <dick-richardson> I'm seeing that...I'm thinking I should be able to change references to feisty to gutsy in my sources.list?
[02:49] <dick-richardson> kk, perfect. thank you!
[02:52] <DaSkreech> !gutsy
[02:52] <ubotu> Gutsy Gibbon is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (7.10). See https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2007-April/000276.html and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyReleaseSchedule - Roadmap and specifications: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/gutsy - Support in #ubuntu+1
[02:52] <draik> DaSkreech: I was going to try WINE, but I thought I'd ask if there was something similar so I can avoid WINE
[02:53] <julio123> rrbiz,look a this http://www.2checkout.com/community/support/topic.php?id=214&page&replies=4#post-717
[02:53] <DaSkreech> draik: Quick check for Linux One Note on the net?
[02:54] <draik> I'm on a KVM switch trying to resurrect a computer. Thanks for the idea
[03:03] <draik> DaSkreech: Thanks. I found something that will definitely help her with school
[03:03] <DaSkreech> draik: Watsit?
[03:04] <draik> DaSkreech: Basket. AND.... it's in the repos for K/Ubuntu
[03:05] <DaSkreech> really? Basket can do what One note does?
[03:05] <DaSkreech>  I love basker
[03:05] <DaSkreech> Basket
[03:05] <DaSkreech> That and KDissert are great combo thinking tools
[03:08] <elite101> hello i just did a re-install
[03:09] <elite101> lol now everything works and this time im not going to use limwire XD
[03:10] <draik> elite101: gtk-gnutella is what I use
[03:10] <CensorBard> I am needing KDE headers. What package do I need to get to get these?
[03:11] <DaSkreech> !limewire
[03:11] <ubotu> limewire is a popular P2P client running on the Gnutella network. To get it running, install !java first, then download Limewire from http://www.limewire.com/LimeWireSoftOther and finally run runLime.sh. Consider !FrostWire as an alternative.
[03:11] <DaSkreech> !frostwire
[03:11] <ubotu> frostwire is a totally open source version of Limewire.  For installation help, please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FrostWire
[03:14] <elite101> lol u see i downloaded and installed limewire first and it screwed up java and broke adept
[03:14] <elite101> and the limewire packages didnt install rite so it messed up my whole system
[03:14] <elite101> but im okay now just did a re-install
[03:15] <elite101> i will only learn through my mistakes
[03:15] <BluesKaj> yeah , we know that elite101
[03:15] <hitmanWilly> elite101: that's how most of us got here :)
[03:15] <elite101> lol i removed bluetooth openoffice
[03:15] <elite101> but im understanding more and more about linux wich is great*
[03:16] <elite101> and im only 14 so i have along time to come
[03:16] <elite101> so the more i know knwo the less i will have to later
[03:16] <elite101> ;p
[03:16] <pawan> how to manage startup programs in kubuntu
[03:16] <hitmanWilly> pawan: ~/.kde/Autostart
[03:17] <elite101> if i remove bluetooth services from my computer will it still start them up on boot up?
[03:17] <hitmanWilly> pawan: any executable file (or link) in that dir will start on kde startup
[03:18] <CensorBard> So I'm compiling Kmuddy, and I get this error message: " in the prefix, you've chosen, are no KDE headers installed. This will fail. So, check this please and use another prefix!"
[03:18] <hitmanWilly> CensorBard: sounds like you need -dev packages
[03:18] <elite101> if i remove bluetooth services from my computer will it still start them up on boot up?
[03:18] <stdin> CensorBard: you need the kde-devel package
[03:19] <stdin> CensorBard: it's massive, but gets everything you need
[03:19] <pawan> cant see that folder
[03:19] <stdin> elite101: if they aren't installed they can't start on boot
[03:20] <stdin> pawan: it's "hidden", view -> Show Hidden
[03:20] <hitmanWilly> pawan: konq won't show it by default
[03:20] <CensorBard> Oh my lord. Hueg package is hueg.
[03:20] <elite101> okay
[03:20] <hitmanWilly> CensorBard: its the source for all of kde IIRC
[03:20] <CensorBard> I don't think I've ever had packages take more than a minute to install before. o.0l
[03:21] <stdin> hitmanWilly: not quite, just all the headers
[03:21] <elite101> i just uninstalled them rite now the bluetooth services since i dont have abluetooth enabled phone or an adapter i just thought it would boot up faster
[03:21] <hitmanWilly> stdin: still, that's a lot :)
[03:21] <pawan> some programs are starting automatically when i load kubuntu
[03:21] <stdin> elite101: maybe by about 0.001 seconds
[03:21] <pawan> how to disable them
[03:21] <elite101> lol
[03:21] <hitmanWilly> pawan: what apps?
[03:22] <elite101> ever milisecond counts
[03:22] <Dragnslcr> pawan- when the system boots, or when you log in?
[03:22] <pawan> konversation
[03:22] <stdin> pawan: System Settings > Advanced tab -> Session Manager
[03:22] <pawan> teminal
[03:22] <stdin> pawan: set it to start a blank session
[03:22] <elite101> it seems to of made my computer faster once i uninstalled awhole bunch of things i dont need
[03:23] <elite101> the internet menu seems a little smaller :(
[03:23] <stdin> pawan: kde will (by default) start all the apps you had OPEN when you logged out, if you don't want them open close the apps before you logout
[03:23] <hitmanWilly> pawan: kde remembers the apps you had loaded when you log out and starts them back up on re-login by default
[03:23] <hitmanWilly> again, too slow
[03:23] <stdin> <- fingers of fire :)
[03:24] <hitmanWilly> lol
[03:24] <hitmanWilly> stdin: you may want to run some water over those or something :P
[03:25] <stdin> that would kill my keyboard :p
[03:25] <bonbonthejon> kde is crashing, how can I watch what its doing
[03:27] <pawan> still konverstion starts automatically on startup
[03:27] <hitmanWilly> hmmm, where does kde keep its log files?
[03:27] <pawan> even i closed it and logout
[03:27] <Dragnslcr> pawan- check ~/.kde/Autostart
[03:29] <pawan> nothing in that file
[03:29] <Dragnslcr> It's a directory
[03:29] <hitmanWilly> bonbonthejon: is it just kde or is X crashing too?
[03:29] <bonbonthejon> I think X, the screen flashes and it tries to load KDE again
[03:30] <hitmanWilly> bonbonthejon: log in in a terminal and check /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[03:30] <pawan> .directory file is there
[03:30] <bonbonthejon> i can log in using openbox, but kde doesnt work
[03:31] <hitmanWilly> bonbonthejon: hmmm, probably kde then...
[03:32] <Dragnslcr> pawan- open ~/.kde/Autostart in Konqueror (or do ls -al ~/.kde/Autostart/ in a shell)
[03:32] <Dragnslcr> See what's in that directory
[03:32] <pawan> opened it
[03:32] <pawan> .directory file
[03:33] <Dragnslcr> Hm
[03:33] <hitmanWilly> bonbonthejon: did you change anything to make kde start crashing on you?
[03:36] <pawan> then
[03:36] <bonbonthejon> hitmanWilly: I had installed kmyfirewall, which I heard can mess up kde, but I disabled it and kde still doesnt work
[03:37] <pawan> pawan@pawan-desktop:~$ ls -al ~/.kde/Autostart/
[03:37] <pawan> total 12
[03:37] <pawan> drwx------ 2 pawan pawan 4096 2007-07-30 19:30 .
[03:37] <pawan> drwx------ 5 pawan pawan 4096 2007-07-30 19:30 ..
[03:37] <pawan> -rw-r--r-- 1 pawan pawan 1823 2007-07-30 19:30 .directory
[03:37] <pawan> pawan@pawan-desktop:~$
[03:39] <pawan> !hi
[03:39] <ubotu> Hi! Welcome to #kubuntu!
[03:39] <pawan> hello
[03:39] <Dragnslcr> pawan- I dunno. The only two reasons I can think of for anything to start when you login is to have a link in ~/.kde/Autostart and the session restore option
[03:40] <pawan> any software to control starup programs
[03:40] <Sault_Me> Is it possible to fetch kubuntu with the option to install later?
[03:40] <Dragnslcr> pawan- Autostart is the only one I know of
[03:41] <stdin> Sault_Me: fetch from where?
[03:41] <Sault_Me> The repos
[03:41] <hitmanWilly> bonbonthejon: hmmm, don't really know...not a kde expert...
[03:42] <hitmanWilly> bonbonthejon: id say try and find where it keeps its log files and browse through them
[03:42] <Sault_Me> I'm currently running Ubuntu, yet want to grab kubuntu tonight and install tomorrow.
[03:42] <stdin> Sault_Me: sudo apt-get --download-only install kubuntu-desktop :)
[03:42] <bonbonthejon> Sault_Me: yeah what stdin said
[03:43] <Dragnslcr> !info kubuntu-desktop
[03:43] <ubotu> kubuntu-desktop: Kubuntu desktop system. In component main, is optional. Version 1.32ubuntu1 (feisty), package size 15 kB, installed size 44 kB
[03:43] <Sault_Me> I have read aptitude was a better approach?
[03:43] <Dragnslcr> Hm, that's definitely not the info I wanted
[03:43] <mneptok> Sault_Me: apt-get is fine
[03:43] <Sault_Me> In case you decide to remove, aptitude is easier?
[03:43] <Sault_Me> ah.
[03:43] <stdin> Sault_Me: you can just replace "apt-get" with "aptitude" if you want
[03:43] <Dragnslcr> Aptitude (and Adept) is just a GUI frontend for apt
[03:44] <stdin> Sault_Me: both work with --download-only
[03:44] <hitmanWilly> Dragnslcr: aptitude is most definately not a gui frontenend, you're probably thinking of synaptic
[03:44] <Dragnslcr> Well, pseudo-GUI
[03:45] <Sault_Me> And then to install it tomorrow evening i would just "install kubuntu-desktop"
[03:45] <stdin> hitmanWilly: it is a somewhat graphical frontend
[03:45] <Dragnslcr> Relative to apt-get, anyway
[03:45] <hitmanWilly> meh
[03:45] <stdin> Sault_Me: yeah, same command just remove the "--download-only"
[03:45] <DaSkreech> Dragnslcr: it's calleda  TUI
[03:45] <Sault_Me> stdin:  Thanks.
[03:46] <intelikey> PPP: VJ uncompressed error
[03:47] <intelikey> seems that freenode or some user on it is kicking a packet at me that my ppp don't like
[03:50] <intelikey> well i just did a clean install of intelikeybuntu
[03:50] <nosrednaekim> intelikey: and what is that?
[03:51] <intelikey> it's my linux syste
[03:51] <intelikey> m
[03:51] <intelikey> mmmm
[03:51] <stdin> intelikey's-ubuntu
[03:51] <rigo_> can anyone help me get gnome working?
[03:51] <rigo_> i installed ubuntu the other day, but then someone told me to install kubuntu
[03:51] <stdin> you seem to be in the wrong channel
[03:51] <Sault_Me> wow. the download went a lot faster than I ever remember it being before. .I only needed about 13Mb.
[03:51] <intelikey> rigo_ what's wrong with it ?
[03:52] <rigo_> so i installed kubuntu, but i now want to switch back to using gnome ._.
[03:52] <stdin> why can't you?
[03:52] <intelikey> rigo_ select your session at the login window
[03:53] <pawan> how to start webcam in kubuntu
[03:53] <rigo_> i believe i have tried that, and it just put me back to the login window
[03:53] <stdin> !webcam | pawan
[03:53] <ubotu> pawan: Instructions for using webcams with Ubuntu can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Webcam - Supported cams: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsMultimediaWebCameras
[03:53] <intelikey> rigo_ you select the session and then login
[03:54] <rigo_> ok, one moment...
[03:54] <Sault_Me> rigo_: I believe you are just seeing the KDM gdm.
[03:55] <Sault_Me> *kde gdm
[03:56] <intelikey> sudo dpkg-recongifure {'ubuntu-desktop',gdm} -plow
[03:57] <intelikey> helps if i don't typo tho
[03:58] <intelikey> sudo dpkg-reconfigure {'ubuntu-desktop',gdm} -plow
[03:58] <intelikey> had to make sure it worked....
[03:59] <intelikey> eek it didn't   it skipped gdm altogather...     hrmmmm
[04:00] <stdin> take off the -plow
[04:00] <intelikey> no no   you want plow
[04:00] <stdin> it's not really need for gdm
[04:00] <stdin> *needed
[04:01] <pawan> webcam not giving clear images
[04:01] <pawan> where is gqcam located
[04:01] <stdin> !info gqcam
[04:01] <ubotu> gqcam: GTK Webcam control. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.9.1-3 (feisty), package size 37 kB, installed size 156 kB
[04:02] <pawan> any good webcam software
[04:03] <keisangi> does someone knows of a way to get root menu without using kde or gnome (using only X and compiz)
[04:06] <Biovore> keisangi: you have a console?
[04:07] <Biovore> keisangi: just use sudo
[04:08] <Biovore> keisangi: the kdesu and gtksu all require kde or gnome to be running.. all the fancy gui configurations all require kde/gnome/<whatever> to be operating.
[04:08] <keisangi> Biovore, thanks for reply, but that's not what i meant,
[04:09] <keisangi> i was speaking about a menu you get if you click on desktop root window
[04:09] <keisangi> without using kde/gnome whatever .. i just use X and compiz-fusion
[04:09] <Biovore> thats handled by a window manager of some kind.. I am not sure if compiz-fusion handles that level..
[04:09] <mike> I just compiled the latest ATI driver from GIT and got it up and running. I have direct rendering, but when I try to run "compiz --replace &", X crashes. This is on a Radeon Xpress 200M. Any ideas?
[04:10] <Biovore> its ATI.. expect trouble..
[04:11] <Biovore> !effects
[04:11] <Biovore> hmm the bot taking a dirt nap?
[04:12] <rigo_> im back ._.
[04:12] <rigo_> now i start up to the unbuntu login
[04:12] <ubotu> For help or discussion on Beryl or Compiz desktop effects, please go to #ubuntu-effects
[04:12] <Biovore> yay... Its alive..
[04:13] <rigo_> but selecting gnome then logging in just takes me back to the login screen
[04:13] <Biovore> rigo_: sounds like gnome crashing on login..
[04:13] <mike> Biovore: thanks
[04:13] <rigo_> so how do i make it...not crash :/
[04:13] <Biovore> np :-P
[04:14] <Biovore> rigo_: no clue.. something is eather corrupt or you changed something that makes gnome crash..
[04:14] <Biovore> rigo_: might want to ask in the gnome channel.. #ubuntu and not the kde channel here..
[04:14] <rigo_> do i need to reinstall ubuntu? im using kubuntu right now
[04:15] <Biovore> rigo_: both can live on the same install
[04:15] <Biovore> rigo_: sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[04:15] <Biovore> there just different graphical enviroments.. you can have many of them on a box at the same time..
[04:16] <Biovore> there just programs
[04:16] <rigo_> i already have gnome installed though it seems
[04:16] <Biovore> rigo_: were you ever able to log into it?
[04:17] <rigo_> yes, before i installed kubuntu
[04:17] <Biovore> rigo_: are you using kdm as your login manager or gdm?
[04:17] <rigo_> i think i am using gdm
[04:18] <rigo_> it says ubuntu
[04:18] <rigo_> ._.
[04:18] <Biovore> ok
[04:18] <rigo_> someone gave me sonething to change that
[04:19] <Biovore> rigo_: might have to ask in #ubuntu..  This channel is for kde
[04:19] <rigo_> im currently trying that
[04:19] <rigo_> its moving too fast though, they keep missing my questions ;_;
[04:19] <rigo_> or maybe im missing the answers...
[04:19] <Biovore> rigo_: The only thing I could suggest tring is to mv your ~/.gnome folder to ~/.gnome-back  and then try loging into gnome
[04:34] <boris__> how do I bust this ass and convert it to ISO
[04:34] <boris__> Allman Brothers Band 9-23-70.bin
[04:35] <boris__> VCD
[04:38] <elite101> is there a good dvd ripper on kubuntu? that will rip and compress DVD's?
[04:39] <hitmanWilly> elite101: k3b
[04:39] <elite101> i sayed ripper? not burner
[04:39] <elite101> or does it to them both?
[04:39] <hitmanWilly> elite101: it does that too :)
[04:39] <elite101> okay
[04:39] <elite101> is it good thou? like high quality?
[04:40] <hitmanWilly> elite101: its as good as you set it up for
[04:40] <elite101> k
[04:40] <szakulec> I'm having an unusual problem when trying to play a video-  it's showing an X error on the console
[04:41] <BluesKaj> szakulec, did it just begin? have the video played ok , previously?
[04:42] <szakulec> it just started happening a few days ago
[04:42] <szakulec> here's the output: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/32190/
[04:43] <BluesKaj> szakulec, have you installed libdvdcss2 ?
[04:44] <boris__> Blueskaj
[04:44] <boris__> zemljace
[04:44] <szakulec> let me check
[04:44] <boris__> dede
[04:44] <boris__> kako da pretorim u iso
[04:44] <boris__> ovo
[04:44] <boris__> Allman Brothers Band 9-23-70.bin
[04:45] <szakulec> not installed
[04:46] <BluesKaj> then you know what to do , szakulec ;)
[04:48] <BluesKaj> szakulec, sudo aptitude install libdvdcss2
[04:49] <BluesKaj> boris ..bin file ?
[04:49] <BluesKaj> video
[04:50] <BluesKaj> boris, in the terminal ./Allman Brothers Band 9-23-70.bin
[04:56] <killborgkid> does anyone here know how to get to the beryl server?
[04:57] <killborgkid> anyone at all?
[04:57] <Dragnslcr> What beryl server?
[04:58] <killborgkid> ummmm
[04:58] <killborgkid> irc.freenode.org
[04:58] <killborgkid> im guessing
[04:58] <Dragnslcr> You're already on Freenode
[04:58] <killborgkid> hmmm
[04:58] <killborgkid> then where is the beryl chat
[04:59] <Dragnslcr> Dunno if there's a #beryl or not. I know there's #ubuntu-effects and #compiz-fusion
[04:59] <killborgkid> ok thank you
[05:01] <Admiral_Chicago> I need help with postfix, is someone around to help me out?
[05:01] <DaSkreech> !postfix
[05:01] <ubotu> postfix is the default Mail Transfer Agent (MTA) for Ubuntu. Read more about setting it up here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Postfix or here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PostfixBasicSetupHowto
[05:01] <DaSkreech> Sweet
[05:01] <Admiral_Chicago> DaSkreech: i'll check out your link
[05:03] <Admiral_Chicago> no it doesnt
[05:03] <Admiral_Chicago> i'm trying to add /etc/aliases to alias_maps
[05:03] <Admiral_Chicago> and that doesn't make sense
[05:05] <Admiral_Chicago> what the crap...oh well
[05:10] <DaSkreech> What are you doing?
[05:11] <nancy> Hello folks..just dropped a wireless card in my dell desktop.  What's the first step in seeing if it's even recognizing it ?  "Knetwork-manager"  only shows the normal WIRED connection and no mention of the wireless at all.  What's my next step ?
[05:12] <nancy> Kubuntu  feisty/Kde 3.6.x
[05:13] <intelikey> !wifi
[05:13] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[05:13] <nancy> Thanks,  I'll start there
[05:14] <CensorBard> !simplemu
[05:14] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about simplemu - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:15] <nancy> Oh one other thing.  (I'm coming over from Suse 10.x) so I'm kinda wingin' it along here.  Where can I set the powermanagement?  For instance how long before shutting down the drives due to inactiviity,   suspend mode...   frequency scaling,  etc?  I cannot find anything like that in the menus.
[05:15] <CensorBard> !utorrent
[05:15] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about utorrent - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:16] <mneptok> CensorBard: ktorrent
[05:16] <elite101> hey i just upgraded my kernel from 1.0 to 2.6 but my computer is running a little slow now
[05:16] <elite101> ;p
[05:18] <nancy> Next question please?  I was reading that somewhere in the repo's there is a I686 kernel that can e installed through Adept.  But I don't seem to be able to find it.  Is it there or will I have to grab it from somewher else and install myself?  (all repos - multiverse...and all others are enabled)  Thanks
[05:19] <crimsun> -686 is obsolete as of 7.04
[05:19] <crimsun> its features are part of -generic now, which is installed by default
[05:19] <crimsun> you can confirm with `uname -r' in a Konsole
[05:22] <nancy> crimsun:   This is what I got running what you said:   2.6.20-16-generic
[05:22] <nancy> And that is all.
[05:22] <crimsun> that's correct and expected.
[05:22] <intelikey> what do you have to do to convert standard ext2fs to an ext3fs  doesn't it have to be sparce supperblock or something ?
[05:22] <nancy> alrighty then...thanks crimsun
[05:23] <crimsun> intelikey: tune2fs -J /dev/fooX
[05:23] <crimsun> err, that's a lowercase 'j'
[05:23] <crimsun> so, tune2fs -j /dev/fooX
[05:24] <intelikey> can it be mounted at the time ?
[05:24] <intelikey> it's my /
[05:24] <raylu> should i be using adduser or useradd?
[05:24] <crimsun> perhaps read-only
[05:25] <intelikey> raylu depends on how you want it to preform
[05:25] <intelikey> adduser is probably more of an automated thang
[05:25] <ardchoille> lol @ thang
[05:25] <intelikey> and possably even a warper for useradd
[05:26] <intelikey> ardchoille :)
[05:27] <dice14u> anyone: Im having trouble installing beryl, the error that arises is
[05:27] <dice14u> Xlib:  extension "XFree86-DRI" missing on display
[05:27] <dice14u> Checking for non power of two texture support   : failed
[05:27] <dice14u> anyone have any ideas?
[05:28] <hitmanWilly> dice14u: try in #ubuntu-effects
[05:28] <ardchoille> intelikey: warper?
[05:28] <raylu> intelikey, what do you mean by that?
[05:28] <ardchoille> intelikey: You been drinking?
[05:29] <intelikey> ardchoille yeah    so ?
[05:29] <ardchoille> lol
[05:29] <intelikey> raylu which "that" please ?
[05:30] <steve__> any1 here
 raylu depends on how you want it to preform
[05:30] <ardchoille> steve__: yes
[05:30] <intelikey> ardchoille nah man i aint drunk just stupid.
[05:30] <steve__> wats up
[05:31] <neusonce>  hey guys
[05:31] <hitmanWilly> steve__: the sky
[05:31] <steve__> ardchoille wats up
[05:31] <ardchoille> steve__: Not much.
[05:31] <steve__> sweet
[05:31] <neusonce> i was wondering if there was any feature in kubuntu
[05:31] <ardchoille> neusonce: There's a feature or two, yes
[05:31] <intelikey> raylu if you want it to ask for a password and assume that the user will live in /home/something  then use adduser   if you want to specify all the info use either but useradd is the posix standard
[05:32] <weez> hello all,  how do I build a kubuntu system using debootstrap?  I was thinking if I simply run "debootstrap feisty" that it would build an ubuntu system
[05:32] <raylu> intelikey, ok, i just used deluser
[05:32] <raylu> on an account i created
[05:32] <raylu> but the home folder still exists.
[05:32] <zimmo> Unable to initialize SDL (Couldn't get console hardware info)
[05:33] <zimmo> what does it mean?
[05:33] <hitmanWilly> raylu: sudo rm it
[05:33] <intelikey> raylu that's what man pages are for.    man man
[05:33] <hitmanWilly> raylu: assuming the user has been removed, it should be fine
[05:33] <neusonce>  guys  is there any feature on kubuntu thats like the windows version of  ctrl+alt+del ?
[05:34] <neusonce>  i need a task manager to shut down a program
[05:34] <weez> neusonce, what for specifically?
[05:34] <intelikey> neusonce ctrl+alt+esc  opint and click
[05:34] <zimmo> ps -d
[05:34] <zimmo> kill [number] 
[05:34] <ubuntu__> stupid question.. cant find remote desktop
[05:34] <hitmanWilly> neusonce: killall <appname> works as well
[05:34] <weez> intelikey, cool, didnt know about that one
[05:35] <neusonce> K9 copy i ripped a dvd but now is saying  error dvd burning error k9c
[05:35] <weez> intelikey, is that built into Xorg?
[05:35] <intelikey> weez it's "xkill"  iirc
[05:35] <raylu> intelikey, ok, thanks. i was afraid rming it would screw something up
[05:35] <hitmanWilly> neusonce: or if the app is still open in a window, xkill then click it
[05:35] <weez> intelikey, so then kde must have the key bound
[05:35] <weez> intelikey, i assume gnome does the same..
[05:36] <ubuntu__> nvm got it sorry
[05:36] <intelikey> raylu nah man only thing you need to be careful about on user accounts is nuking your sudo'r   if root jr. bites the bullet you'll be in single user mode trying to add a root passwd
[05:37] <intelikey> weez as far as i know most DE's use that hotkey set for xkill  yes
[05:38] <intelikey> in twm it's a base menu itom    you clikc xkill and what ever you click next better jump back
[05:39] <hitmanWilly> intelikey: window maker has it set as a titlebar option
[05:39] <alain_> hello everyone
[05:39] <DaSkreech> intelikey: Why not give him Ctrl+Esc?
[05:39] <alain_> i need help on making my wireless to work
[05:39] <intelikey> that's where i first got aquanted with the little poison dart
[05:39] <DaSkreech> !wifi
[05:39] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[05:40] <intelikey> DaSkreech i thought someone else did that one...
[05:40] <intelikey> did i dream it ?
[05:40] <DaSkreech> yup
[05:40] <josef> guys i cant play mp3 on my feisty. any solution
[05:40] <intelikey> i guess i did.   sorry,
[05:41] <intelikey> neusonce  ctrl+esc   also.
[05:41] <melkor> josef mpg321
[05:41] <jtong> how do u use run a server without a root user?
[05:41] <josef> ok thank melkor
[05:42] <jtong> i ps and found out ? is running apache
[05:42] <melkor> josef thats a command line program
[05:42] <neusonce> hey guys
[05:42] <melkor> if you run amorak it will ask you if you want to d/load the codecs to play mp3 files.
[05:43] <DaSkreech> !mp3 | josef
[05:43] <ubotu> josef: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[05:43] <josef> oooh so i have to type it thru the terminal right
[05:43] <intelikey> josef all linux systems have a root user   i'm not sure you can "not have a root user"   just that the account is locked so that you can't login to it
[05:43] <DaSkreech> josef: not really :)
[05:44] <DaSkreech> You can enable multiverse and install libxine-extracodecs
[05:44] <josef> ok so normally i should your adept or not
[05:44] <intelikey> could type it through your chat client too
[05:44] <neusonce> im a kubuntu newbie i have a few skills and kinda understand it but in essence im a baby  im having asome issues with buring some of my dvds  i need to back them up but in australia  the only dvds we can get are 4.7 gigs
[05:44] <intelikey> /exec -o echo see me
[05:45] <neusonce>  im having issues with buring them
[05:45] <melkor> josef if you get mpg321 you do, but if you get the codecs amorak and the 'xine' programs will work
[05:45] <neusonce>  can some one plz hlep
[05:45] <Dr_willis> neusonce,  what kind of dvds you refering to?
[05:45] <neusonce>  well iv brought ex rental dvds and ther roughtly 9 gigs
[05:46] <josef> ok i will try thanks everybody i come back again later thanks
[05:46] <Soulwarp> i just want to say i love kubuntu a lot since i been using it :)
[05:46] <neusonce> i can only buy 4.7
[05:46] <Dr_willis> !info k9copy
[05:46] <ubotu> k9copy: DVD backup tool for KDE. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 1.1.0~beta2-0ubuntu1 (feisty), package size 649 kB, installed size 1764 kB
[05:46] <Dr_willis> I just rip my dvd's to avi files.
[05:46] <DaSkreech> Soulwarp: welcome
[05:46] <hitmanWilly> neusonce: you could rip them with k3b, then reburn them
[05:47] <intelikey> Dr_willis special reason not to use .ogg ?
[05:47] <neusonce>  and wehn i try to burn them  in k9 copy it  says burning error buti dont wanna burn them in k9 i want to burn them from a folder  i preselected  as an iso  and when i use 9 to 5 it says build erroe
[05:47] <neusonce> error*
[05:47] <Dr_willis> intelikey,  my portable player cant play them :)
[05:47] <neusonce>  no
[05:47] <intelikey> ok
[05:47] <neusonce> i need them to play on a normal dvd so i can enjoy the on a plasma
[05:47] <Dr_willis> i encode them to xvid normally.
[05:47] <neusonce>  ok now im listeing
[05:48] <hitmanWilly> intelikey: i use avi myself, since i like xvid
[05:48] <neusonce> i am youre student
[05:48] <hitmanWilly> and i have yet to see xvid in an ogg wrapper :)
[05:48] <intelikey> hitmanWilly i was just wondering why i usually see blah to "and its never .ogg"    </shrugs>
[05:49] <DaSkreech> hitmanWilly: sacrilege!
[05:49] <Dr_willis> I cant say that ive ever seen videos in .ogg, seen a lot of other 'extensions' :)
[05:49] <Dr_willis> mkv, divx, ect...
[05:49] <Dr_willis> I may have some ogg's id have to che3ck
[05:49] <hitmanWilly> intelikey: honestly, cuase theora sucks :P
[05:50] <intelikey> well
[05:50] <Dr_willis> I gotta convert some of these .mkv's to xvid/avi's some day for my portable player
[05:50] <intelikey> i never !
[05:50] <hitmanWilly> intelikey: i know that's not the party line, but it's the truth imho
[05:51] <hitmanWilly> now vorbis, on the other hand....
[05:51] <hitmanWilly> intelikey: its the video codec usually seen in an ogg wrapper
[05:52] <DaSkreech> It's the younger scappier brother of Vorbis
[05:52] <neusonce>  guys  is there a  program that is similer to dvd shirnk i can use
[05:52] <DaSkreech> How about dvdshrink?
[05:52] <elite101> k3b
[05:52] <Soulwarp> i been messing with ffmpeg trying to get my divx files to mp4 for my portable player
[05:52] <elite101> lol use wine
[05:52] <hitmanWilly> neusonce: k3b rips dvd's quite nicely
[05:52] <neusonce>  but i need ti compress
[05:52] <Soulwarp> i hear it's good
[05:52] <neusonce>  them
[05:52] <hitmanWilly> neusonce: or use dvd:rip if you want a somewhat more hands-on approach
[05:53] <hitmanWilly> neusonce: it transcodes them to standard codecs
[05:53] <hitmanWilly> neusonce: hence, compressing them
[05:54] <hitmanWilly> neusonce: otherwise you could just dd it to an iso :)
[05:54] <intelikey> :)
[05:55] <Dr_willis> Testing out k9copy at the moment.
[05:55] <Dr_willis> I never actually burn my dvd rips back to dvd. :)
[05:55] <intelikey> the other day i had my wife on her knees begging me.
[05:55] <Dr_willis> !language
[05:55] <ubotu> Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[05:55] <Dr_willis> :)_
[05:55] <intelikey> yeah she said "please come out from under that bead and fight like a man"
[05:56] <intelikey> bed
[05:56] <Soulwarp> beard?
[05:56] <Soulwarp> ;p
[05:57] <elite101> [23:55]  <intelikey> the other day i had my wife on her knees begging me.    yeah and so did i!!! lmao jk
[05:57] <elite101> :P
[05:57] <intelikey> you're so cute
[06:00] <Soulwarp> i always wondered why kubuntu was seperate from ubuntu... why not have the user choose the window environment instead of making 2 packages
[06:00] <Soulwarp> at start up
[06:00] <intelikey> Soulwarp disk space
[06:00] <DaSkreech> Soulwarp: Startup?
[06:00] <intelikey> not room for both on the install cd
[06:00] <Soulwarp> install i meant
[06:00] <DaSkreech> Cd space
[06:01] <Soulwarp> ah that makes sense
[06:01] <DaSkreech> On the DVD AFAIK both of them are there
[06:01] <intelikey> and you do "choose at install time" you get the cd you want
[06:01] <Dr_willis> DaSkreech,  they are? I never noticed that.
[06:02] <DaSkreech> It's all of main
[06:02] <DaSkreech> so yeah
[06:02] <Dr_willis> I normally dont mess with the dvd however. aint tried it lately
[06:02] <hitmanWilly> well, the original idea of ubuntu was to have everything standardized to make the install as painless as possible for the end user
[06:02] <Dr_willis> then again. theres so many updates at times. often ya end up redownloading  a lot of stuff anyway
[06:02] <intelikey> hitmanWilly boy did they foul that up
[06:02] <Soulwarp> i remember when i tryed ubuntu i hurried and got kde just to realise i could have gotten kubuntu
[06:03] <hitmanWilly> all the other buntu variants are just forks of that
[06:03] <Soulwarp> and saved a cd
[06:03] <hitmanWilly> intelikey: yeah....
[06:03] <Dr_willis> I perer 'sporks'
[06:03] <Dr_willis> :)
[06:03] <Dr_willis> I always install kubuntu desktop, and ubuntu desktop both. :)
[06:03] <intelikey> sporks are handy  but don't cut steak well
[06:04] <DaSkreech> Soulwarp: Now you know
[06:04] <Gun_Smoke> I can not connect to IRC via kopete....  humm..
[06:04] <Soulwarp> DaSkreech :)
[06:04] <DaSkreech> Soulwarp: so you knew it had KDE but didn't know about Kubuntu?
[06:04] <DaSkreech> Gun_Smoke: Praises be
[06:05] <intelikey> DaSkreech be nice
[06:05] <hitmanWilly> 99% of all linux distros offer both gnome and kde, even if one of them is the default
[06:05] <intelikey> hitmanWilly one of them is almost always the default
[06:05] <Soulwarp> DaSkreech i didn't realise kubuntu was KDE. when i loaded ubuntu up and expected ked and got gnome, i did some homework and got kubuntu
[06:05] <DaSkreech> sorry
[06:05] <hitmanWilly> didn't used to be that way...
[06:05] <DaSkreech> I don't like Kopete :-(
[06:06] <Soulwarp> i was a mandriva fan
[06:06] <Dr_willis> KDEubuntu :)
[06:06] <DaSkreech> hitmanWilly: Shut yo mout'!
[06:06] <Soulwarp> X)
[06:06] <DaSkreech> 99% pffft
[06:07] <hitmanWilly> well, buntu was the first distro i ever ran off of a gui (not tui) installer
[06:07] <intelikey> gun_smoke  you hidding ?
[06:08] <intelikey> i think he's hideling
[06:08] <hitmanWilly> heck, even fedora gives you the option at install time
[06:08] <Dr_willis> I want an installer that lets me play Solitare while it installs..
[06:08] <Dr_willis> :)
[06:08] <Dr_willis> or Tetris
[06:08] <DaSkreech> hitmanWilly: So you pull up one example to cover all 400 distros
[06:09] <DaSkreech> Or Tuxio!
[06:09] <intelikey> hitmanWilly i installed mdk 9-10 from gui type interfaces.   and i think rh9 was a gui type install too
[06:09] <hitmanWilly> DaSkreech: that was just the first one that came to mind....
[06:09] <DaSkreech> RH has nearly always been a GUi install
[06:10] <HomeRoey> hi!!
[06:10] <DaSkreech> !hi
[06:10] <ubotu> Hi! Welcome to #kubuntu!
[06:10] <HomeRoey> hehe
[06:10] <hitmanWilly> DaSkreech: slack, debian, red hat, gentoo doesn't even install X by default
[06:10] <intelikey> DaSkreech well only if you count ncurses as a gui
[06:10] <DaSkreech> hitmanWilly: fluxbuntu to vounter your fedora
[06:10] <DaSkreech> counter
[06:10] <HomeRoey> Question on mx1000 mouse... I'm trying to follow https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MX1000Mouse,  but it doesn't seem to work with kdm
[06:10] <HomeRoey> in that kdm doesnt' seem to honor it -at all-
[06:10] <hitmanWilly> DaSkreech: i HATE rpm distros...use gentoo on this box
[06:11] <intelikey> kdm or kde ?
[06:11] <HomeRoey> both?
[06:11] <HomeRoey> intelikey:  and more than that,
[06:11] <HomeRoey> intelikey:  it seems like I HAVE to have usbmouse loaded, too
[06:11] <HomeRoey> intelikey:  and that's never happened before... like, I had to manually insert the line "usbmouse" into /etc/modules.
[06:12] <HomeRoey> or else the mouse cursor wouldn't move.
[06:12] <HomeRoey> intelikey:  it's as if every time I reboot I get different behavior... something breaks, other stuff magically fixes itself, etc.
[06:12] <intelikey> you installed  xvkbd xbindkeys xmacro xserver-xorg-input-evdev ?
[06:12] <bigmanoncampus> hi
[06:12] <bigmanoncampus> i got a problem
[06:12] <kgx> hey is it possible to do svn mv and keep the change history?
[06:12] <intelikey> HomeRoey grimlins ?
[06:12] <bigmanoncampus> i have installed kubuntu
[06:13] <bigmanoncampus> and i restart the computer
[06:13] <bigmanoncampus> and it says error loading operating system
[06:13] <bigmanoncampus> what the fuck is going on
[06:13] <hitmanWilly> bigmanoncampus: sounds like grub wasn't installed properly
[06:13] <intelikey> !grub | bigmanoncampus
[06:13] <ubotu> bigmanoncampus: grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[06:13] <bigmanoncampus> how do i fis it
[06:14] <HomeRoey> intelikey:  hehehe
[06:14] <HomeRoey> intelikey:  how do I set autostart stuff in kde again?
[06:14] <intelikey> !autostart
[06:14] <ubotu> To make programs autostart with your KDE session, you can make a link to it in ~/.kde/Autostart. The package 'kcontrol-autostart' makes a kcontrol item for handling items in that directory.
[06:14] <bigmanoncampus> but i got a dedicated hard drive for it
[06:14] <bigmanoncampus> mmm
[06:15] <intelikey> bigmanoncampus matters not where it's installed it has to ahve a boot loader between bios and the os
[06:15] <intelikey> grub is the default boot loader but there are others
[06:15] <intelikey> i have to use lilo cause grub can't boot whole disk fs's
[06:16] <intelikey> HomeRoey what version did you say ?     feisty ?
[06:17] <CensorBard> !foobar2000
[06:17] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about foobar2000 - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:17] <CensorBard> !winamp
[06:17] <ubotu> winamp is a windows music player. On Ubuntu you can use beep-media-player or xmms as alternative.
[06:18] <bigmanoncampus> is ther an auto thing for lilo
[06:18] <bigmanoncampus> like can i download lilo
[06:18] <intelikey> or let me rephrase that   grub can't boot anything your bios can't boot.   because it depends on bios to read in the kernel and initramfs pair
[06:18] <bigmanoncampus> and it will auto install for me
[06:18] <HomeRoey> intelikey:  yes that's correct
[06:18] <HomeRoey> intelikey:  does KDM read .xbindkeys??
[06:18] <HomeRoey> er
[06:18] <intelikey> bigmanoncampus it's in the main repo    but lilo is not as automatic as grub.
[06:18] <HomeRoey> intelikey:  .xbindkeysrc?
[06:19] <HomeRoey> intelikey:  does KDM run it at all?
[06:19] <HomeRoey> intelikey:  is there a way to set a system-wide xbindkeysrc that KDM can run?
[06:19] <intelikey> HomeRoey no kdm does not read from your home dir
[06:19] <hitmanWilly> bigmanoncampus: you said you had a dedicated hd for kubuntu, correct?
[06:19] <elite101_> will real msn work on kubuntu i wann try i mean its a .exe and i have wine installed i am using kopete but i wanna play games!!
[06:19] <HomeRoey> intelikey:  that's why I asked about a systemwide xbindkeysrc
[06:19] <HomeRoey> in e/tc
[06:19] <HomeRoey> *in /etc
[06:20] <intelikey> HomeRoey errr yeah there are files in /etc/kde3/kdm/ that can do what you are wanting
[06:20] <HomeRoey> intelikey:  and also then, why does kde not execute the symlink to xbindkeys that I have set in ~/.kde/Autostart ?
[06:20] <HomeRoey> intelikey:  ah, hm
[06:20] <DaSkreech> elite101_: Check #winehq
[06:20] <hitmanWilly> bigmanoncampus: did you install grub on that drive, or on your main one?
[06:20] <DaSkreech> elite101_: I'd say your chances aer low
[06:20] <bigmanoncampus> how do i install grub
[06:20] <Dr_willis> !grub
[06:20] <ubotu> grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[06:20] <intelikey>                ^
[06:20] <HomeRoey> intelikey:  00:20:46 kdm ls
[06:21] <HomeRoey> backgroundrc  kdmrc    Xreset    Xsetup    Xwilling
[06:21] <HomeRoey> kdm.options   Xaccess  Xsession  Xstartup
[06:21] <bigmanoncampus> mmmm
[06:21] <DaSkreech> MS is well known for pulling off tricks in it's internal software that is not documented or available to anyone else
[06:21] <DaSkreech> !paste
[06:21] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[06:21] <bigmanoncampus> maybe if i set my boot to master hard disk
[06:21] <HomeRoey> intelikey:  there are a few script files there that I don't think shoudl be edited
[06:21] <bigmanoncampus> grub will come up
[06:21] <bigmanoncampus> be back soon guys
[06:21] <bigmanoncampus> thanks for your help
[06:21] <intelikey> HomeRoey oh don't be a fraidy roey   :)
[06:22] <intelikey> if it's a script it begs me   "rewrite me please please please...."
[06:22] <HomeRoey> it's just that I don't wnat to have to do too much system-specific administration... nex ttime I set up an installation on this system... I'll have to remmeber all of this.
[06:22] <HomeRoey> intelikey:  aaahahaaha, cute :)
[06:23] <intelikey> HomeRoey oh if that's the true goal,  i defer to the ubuntu staff     that's exactly what they gear toward,  non-adminestrated-linux     or is that another word for windows,   i forget...
[06:24] <Dr_willis> thats OS-X
[06:24] <HomeRoey> intelikey:  oof, c'mon.
[06:24] <HomeRoey> this is a trivially stupid problem.
[06:24] <Dr_willis> I really do very little tweaking on my machines.
[06:24] <intelikey> oh yeah os-x  thanks doc
[06:24] <Dr_willis> fix up samba a little,  thats about it.
[06:24] <hitmanWilly> intelikey: no, replace linux with bsd and you have OSX, tho
[06:24] <HomeRoey> I don't find it elegant to have to hack up a (normally System-managed) script to have to get this to work.
[06:25] <HomeRoey> I have an mx1000 mouse, I can't get the fucking mouse wheel working.
[06:25] <HomeRoey> Jesus Christ, give me a break here.
[06:25] <DaSkreech> hitmanWilly: and stacks :)
[06:25] <HomeRoey> oh, and stacks too.
[06:25] <DaSkreech> HomeRoey: Not logged in right now. Like to leave a message?
[06:25] <intelikey> anyway can someone help HomeRoey with a non-script-rewriting way of making the mouse work better  ?
[06:25] <HomeRoey> thanks intelikey
[06:25] <HomeRoey> :)
[06:25] <DaSkreech> Though I guess that would mean he IS giving you a break and no you don't want to contact him
[06:26] <Dr_willis> :)
[06:27] <hitmanWilly> well, if its just the wheel, you can fix that in xorg.conf, but that involves config rewriting :)
[06:27] <HomeRoey> hitmanWilly:  hell I had to do that ;)
[06:27] <thunderbolt> Dr_willis: then what would we call gopher?
[06:27] <me> hey
[06:27] <me> it worked
[06:27] <hitmanWilly> thunderbolt: dead?
[06:27] <me> all i had to do is set bios to boot off the master
[06:28] <Dr_willis> Move the Goper over to the left.. :)
[06:28] <me> and it gave me option
[06:28] <CS5> Hey I just wanted to say TY to all of you who convinced me to upgrade my Ubuntu to the Feisty Fawn, I am lovin it. Much better.
[06:28] <Dr_willis> click its nose...
[06:28] <me> :)
[06:28] <HomeRoey> hitmanWilly:  I added the stanza according to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MX1000Mouse
[06:28] <HomeRoey> emm
[06:28] <HomeRoey> brb
[06:28] <me> what is feisty fawn
[06:28] <CS5> Lol, Ubuntu 7.10
[06:28] <intelikey> me code name
[06:28] <me> is it good
[06:28] <CS5> Oh yes.
[06:28] <me> why is it better
[06:29] <CS5> What are you running, me?
[06:29] <purpleposeidon> are you running windows me?

[06:29] <CS5> More stable for me, handles the hardware better, nicer, just all around better than the dapper or edgy distro's i tried
[06:30] <CS5> lol
[06:30] <Dr_willis> the Trout wasent fresh! here use this Mackeral
[06:30] <CS5> It would be better if ya had a squid
[06:30] <purpleposeidon> lol
[06:30] <Dr_willis> Hard to swing a squid.
[06:30] <CS5> lol
[06:30] <Dr_willis> and the ink gets all over.
[06:30] <CS5> yes slippery fuckers
[06:30] <purpleposeidon> a small squid, maybe
[06:31] <Dr_willis> squids are more of a 'flail' effect.
[06:31] <hitmanWilly> but they have plenty of places to grab on to :)
[06:31] <CS5> Mid size would hurt more
[06:31] <HomeRoey> hi again
[06:31] <purpleposeidon> could wrap a rope around it
[06:31] <CS5> O yes multiple hits
[06:31] <intelikey> warty warthog 4.10   hoary hedghog 5.4   breasy badger 5.10   dapper drake 6.6   edgy eft 6.10   feisty fown 7.4   gutsy gibon 7.10 candadate
[06:31] <purpleposeidon> swing it around...
[06:31] <intelikey> that's the full line up  ^  ubuntu's whole life
[06:32] <purpleposeidon> horny hedgehog 8.4
[06:32] <CS5> Gutsy is 7.1?
[06:32] <CS5> 7.10?
[06:32] <purpleposeidon> ah, they already did hedghog...
[06:32] <intelikey> yes  and this isn't 7 10 yet
[06:33] <CS5> OMG, I didn't realize...I have upgraded to it...Thought Feisty was 7.10
[06:33] <HomeRoey> DaSkreech, intelikey:  yeah it /was/ a problem with KDM.  I just killed KDM and startx'd manually and xbindkeys runs fine.  I have xbindkeys ~/.xbindkeysrc in my .xinitrc file, btw, which KDM doesn't run.  But I also have a link to the xbindkeys command in ~/.kde/Autostart/... yet it doesn't seem to work.  Can I just stick a symlink to the command there?  Or do I need to make  small script to get it to load ~/.xbindke
[06:33] <HomeRoey> ysrc specifcally? (I thought xbindkeys looks for ~/.xbindkeysrc by default)
[06:33] <intelikey> purpleposeidon yes i still have one box running the white headed porcupine
[06:34] <DaSkreech> !language | CS5
[06:34] <ubotu> CS5: Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[06:35] <HomeRoey> DaSkreech:  language on 'omg'??
[06:35] <purpleposeidon> I think he missed. :b
[06:35] <intelikey> HomeRoey i think you can just add it in  /etc/kde3/kdm/kdmrc   or is it kdm.conf   which ever is there
[06:35] <DaSkreech> no read back up
 ah, they already did hedghog...
[06:35] <HomeRoey> er
 horny hedgehog 8.4
[06:35] <purpleposeidon> missed again!
[06:35] <purpleposeidon> no, when you were refering to the squid, I think
[06:35] <HomeRoey> hmm
[06:35] <HomeRoey> oh.
[06:36] <intelikey> HomeRoey if you open the file with   kdesu kate and read a little in the comments youll see it's not that scarry
[06:36] <HomeRoey> intelikey:  lemme check
[06:36] <purpleposeidon> horny is family friendly! :D
[06:36] <HomeRoey> intelikey:  ok
[06:36] <intelikey> :)
[06:36] <HomeRoey> intelikey:  ah... I see your concern.  I'm not really scared by it, I just wonder if this is the accepted way to get around this problem.
[06:36] <HomeRoey> intelikey:  it seems like 'brute-forcing' it to me
[06:37] <DaSkreech> Horny toads!!
[06:37] <intelikey> purpleposeidon about as family friently as you can get and still be leagle
[06:37] <intelikey> HomeRoey how long you been playing with FOSS ?
[06:37] <purpleposeidon> DaSkreech: They loved him up and turned him into a .... *horny toad!*
[06:38] <DaSkreech> >they<
[06:38] <me> where can i download games for kubuntu
[06:38] <purpleposeidon> !nethack
[06:38] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about nethack - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:38] <me> fuck this is so much better then windows
[06:38] <HomeRoey> intelikey:  since 98.
[06:38] <purpleposeidon> ubotu! :O
[06:38] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about o - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:39] <HomeRoey> intelikey:  I'm all into the spirit of thigns, trust me.
[06:39] <CS5> DaSkreech You didn't have to tell on me, you could have just said it, I realized after what I had done....Sorry Everyone for offending.
[06:39] <HomeRoey> intelikey:  look... apt-get sees a file it's managing has been updated, and it won't update it.  I might break compatibility with future versions of kdm because I updated this file.
[06:39] <CS5> DaSkreech That sry is for you 2
[06:39] <me> does anyone know where i can download games
[06:39] <CS5> ;)
[06:39] <DaSkreech> CS5: Nothing personal somepeople don't know. This way a general message is sent
[06:39] <HomeRoey> intelikey:  so I want to touch the system-wide scripts as >little< as possible
[06:39] <DaSkreech> !games
[06:39] <ubotu> Information about games on Ubuntu can be found on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Games and http://www.icculus.org/lgfaq/gamelist.php and ubuntugames.org
[06:40] <CS5> I know , Np ty for the explaination, its all good.
[06:40] <DaSkreech> Me: also getdeb.net
[06:40] <intelikey> HomeRoey maybe no one gave you "the lecture" ?   well here goes.   THE major differance in propritary and FOSS is that you own your copy of linux and while there are "standards" to use as guidelines to help keep things "portable" there really is only one right way,  and that's the way the owner decides to do it....  and that's you.
[06:40] <CS5> I was just Fu$%i*& wit ya.
[06:40] <DaSkreech> Me: also happypenguin.org
[06:40] <CS5> lol
[06:40] <CS5> Bad joke
[06:40] <intelikey> so what ever works for you is the right way to fix it.
[06:40] <CS5> get the squid
[06:40] <CS5> me, how new are you too computers?
[06:41] <CS5> It isnt a biggy but it would help me or anyone help you if we knew
[06:41] <HomeRoey> intelikey:  right, but there's gotta be a more elegantway to do this..
[06:41] <intelikey> HomeRoey feel free to find it.  cause i don't know what it is.    and i'll help where i can...
[06:42] <intelikey> :)
[06:43] <intelikey> me gametome.org
[06:43] <intelikey> me package manager
[06:43] <intelikey> !repos | me
[06:43] <ubotu> me: The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[06:44] <intelikey> me you'll be wanting that link  ^
[06:44] <DaSkreech> Me: have you enabled all your repos?
[06:44] <intelikey> just as well get it now.
[06:45] <gandhii> how do you map a network drive?
[06:45] <intelikey> nmapfe
[06:46] <intelikey> !info nmapfe
[06:46] <ubotu> nmapfe: The Network Mapper Front End. In component universe, is extra. Version 4.20-1 (feisty), package size 104 kB, installed size 228 kB
[06:46] <intelikey> how do you do it ?
[06:49] <intelikey> HomeRoey closing thought on that,  all i can do is hand out free advice and information,   it's not always the best but the price is the same for good or bad advice    it's all free  :)
[06:50] <me> is wine hard to work ?
[06:50] <intelikey> me no
[06:50] <DaSkreech> intelikey: You have obviously never had to pay the cost of bad advice
[06:50] <intelikey> DaSkreech DaSkreech DaSkreech    ya think ?
[06:51] <Dr_willis> wine solitare.exe
[06:51] <Dr_willis> :)
[06:51] <DaSkreech> I try to have a daily regiment yes
[06:52] <intelikey> not me,  i used to,  but when i learned that i wasn't constructed for it, i gave it up   :)
[06:54] <intelikey> DaSkreech i do consider it entirely a different matter, the price one pays for "following bad advice"   but the cost of the advice is universal.      that's my perspective and i'll stick with it until it changes !
[06:54] <intelikey> :)
[06:55] <intelikey> DaSkreech did i mention i saw vesta one time?
[06:55] <intelikey> didn't take long....
[06:56] <me> fucken hell to get CSS to work on wine is to hard
[06:56] <me> i dont even know what its talking about
[06:56] <DaSkreech> !nixter... Naaaw
[06:56] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about nixter... naaaw - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:56] <DaSkreech> !language | Me
[06:56] <ubotu> Me: Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[06:56] <DaSkreech> CSS?
[06:57] <intelikey> sounds like you're trying to get ie to work in wine ???
[06:57] <Dr_willis> 'walk befor one can run' :)
[06:57] <me> counter strike source
[06:57] <DaSkreech> Steam?
[06:57] <me> i think so
[06:57] <me> yeah
[06:57] <me> maybe i need to learn more
[06:57] <me> about kubuntu b4 i start doing that stuff ?
[06:57] <DaSkreech> #winehq might be more useful
[06:57] <Dr_willis> and using wine with Steam - can be QUITE a challange
[06:57] <me> yes
[06:58] <Dr_willis> You got plenty of learning to do.. no time to be playing games. :)
[06:58] <Dr_willis> Learning is more fun.
[06:58] <DaSkreech> Steam is challenge on Windows :)
[06:58] <Dr_willis> Steam is one of the reasons i quit gaming on windows/pcs
[06:58] <Dr_willis> Theres several good shooter games for linux ,  depends on what ya like.
[06:59] <me> ill have a look
[06:59] <me> i c you can get linux doom3
[06:59] <me> as such
[06:59] <Dr_willis> all the id games have linux ports
[06:59] <me> first time ive used linux
[06:59] <intelikey> me you could check out some of the opensource games in the repos might find that worth the waste of time
[06:59] <me> are they easy to install and play
[06:59] <CS5> You can get some really good games, try lightning and thunder.
[06:59] <Dr_willis> Then theres the dozen of so Quake3 source spinoffs
[06:59] <CS5> It is an autopackage and very easy
[06:59] <me> give me a link
[06:59] <nancy> I have a wireless card with a marvel chipset.  Has anyone got this working without using that "ndiswrapper"   or whatever it's called?
[06:59] <CS5> beautiful 3d graphics
[06:59] <me> do i need to update my video drivers
[06:59] <CS5> 1 sec, i will "Google" it
[07:00] <Dr_willis> You will want to get your nvidia/ati drivers set up first.
[07:00] <intelikey> me if its in the "repos" all you do to install is opent the package manager and install it.
[07:00] <CS5> me, http://happypenguin.org/show?Thunder%26Lightning
[07:01] <CS5> the whole site is nice. Lots of great games.
[07:01] <CS5> h yes
[07:01] <CS5> You need the drivers setup fo sho
[07:01] <DaSkreech> And Unreal Tournament 2007 :)
[07:01] <DaSkreech> Or UT] I[
[07:02] <CS5> For ati the proprietary drivers work great. What card do you have, me?
[07:02] <intelikey> i got board the other day (actualy had some time and nothing going on)  i wrote a script that would play five card stud with me,  in bash
[07:02] <CS5> Daskreech how is that Unreal Tournement?
[07:02] <DaSkreech> CS5: I'm sorry what are you asking?
[07:03] <Dr_willis> I still like good old RTCW:ET
[07:03] <intelikey> i didn't try to figure out a way to make the computer "bluff"  that would take so doing...
[07:03] <me> how do i download drivers for my nvidia card
[07:03] <CS5> How is Unreal Tournement 2007? have you tried it?
[07:03] <Dr_willis> !nvidia
[07:03] <Dr_willis> !startersguide
[07:03] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[07:03] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about startersguide - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:03] <DaSkreech> CS5: Naw but they normally put out a demo so I can cry all night
[07:03] <intelikey> !botsnack
[07:03] <ubotu> Yum! Err, I mean, APT!
[07:03] <CS5> lol
[07:03] <DaSkreech> !botsmack
[07:03] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about botsmack - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:03] <CS5> Ubotu is slow today
[07:03] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about is slow today - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:03] <DaSkreech> Grrr
[07:03] <CS5> lol
[07:04] <DaSkreech> !anything
[07:04] <ubotu> So, you wanted to lure me into saying I don't know anything about anything? Yeah, that would be funny, of course. Now leave me alone.
[07:04] <CS5> !botsnack
[07:04] <DaSkreech> gone back to bed
[07:04] <intelikey> !smart
[07:04] <ubotu> smart is another meta-package manager available for Ubuntu. It's quite stable, uses APT's repositories, can handle mirrors/multiple-connections, and is supposed to make Ubuntu BiArch-compatible. See http://labix.org/smart and https://wiki.kubuntu.org/SmartPackageManager
[07:04] <CS5> !ubuntu biarch
[07:04] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ubuntu biarch - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:04] <DaSkreech> I still can't believe that Jucato talks more than the bot
[07:04] <CS5> !biarch
[07:04] <ubotu> A BiArch 64-bit system is one that comes with a complete 32-bit package system, as well. This means that you can run 32bit packages as well on your 64-bit install
[07:05] <CS5> nice
[07:05] <CS5> Anybody know if Halo runs well under wine?
[07:05] <hitmanWilly> lol
[07:05] <intelikey> yeah i was shooting for that with the lappy  but ati mobo and no keyboard in 64bit
[07:06] <Dr_willis> Theres several WINE info sites out.
[07:06] <intelikey> so it's a 32r full season
[07:06] <CS5> TY, Dr_Willis
[07:07] <DaSkreech> CS5: http://winehq.org
[07:07] <CS5> there alreaady
[07:07] <CS5> the first one on google, ty though
[07:07] <DaSkreech> There is like a http://appsdb.winehq.org or something like that
[07:08] <intelikey> i still like the old turn based stratigy games     anyone know a good one ?
[07:08] <me> how do i log in as root user
[07:08] <hitmanWilly> intelikey: freeciv?
[07:09] <intelikey> back some 40million years ago nentindo had   'conflict'  liked that  ok...
[07:09] <intelikey> hitmanWilly i'll revisit freeciv  it seemed a little  bloated but maybe i didn't give it full attention
[07:10] <me> how the fuck do i log in as root user
[07:10] <intelikey> you dont
[07:10] <intelikey> sudo -i
[07:10] <CS5> Me, you have to watch the language.
[07:10] <me> sorry
[07:10] <CS5> They will kick ya
[07:10] <me> i get fustrated
[07:10] <CS5> Np, just dont want to see ya banned over it
[07:10] <CS5> me too
[07:10] <me> im in display settings
[07:10] <Scorpaen> me sudo passwd root
[07:10] <CS5> I did it earlier myself not thinkin
[07:10] <Scorpaen> make a password
[07:11] <intelikey> me and a permenant ban will move your frustration out of our hearing...
[07:11] <Scorpaen> then su -
[07:11] <CS5> Yes it will
[07:11] <Scorpaen> type in the new root password you just made
[07:11] <intelikey> Scorpaen sudo -i
[07:11] <Scorpaen> intelikey: what does that do?
[07:11] <hitmanWilly> me: there's either sudo -i, sudo su, or sudo bash :)
[07:11] <intelikey> same thing you are doing    gets him a root shell
[07:11] <Scorpaen> listen to intelikey
[07:11] <CS5> Me, this is a great channel for us noobs, it would be in your best interest to stay here, as often as possible....lol
[07:11] <Scorpaen> thanks intelikey
[07:12] <Scorpaen> gee i learn something new every day in here
[07:12] <Scorpaen> :D
[07:12] <me> mmm
[07:12] <CS5> Me too
[07:12] <CS5> Dont even have to type just watch
[07:12] <me> so how do i set up my graphic drivers now
[07:12] <me> because i go into system settings
[07:12] <Scorpaen> me go to the system settings
[07:12] <intelikey> !nv
[07:12] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[07:12] <Scorpaen> go to admin mode
[07:13] <Scorpaen> heh
[07:13] <me> it tells me to click the admin button
[07:13] <CS5> Just dont use ati big desktop if you are a multi monitor guy, you will lose your 3d
[07:13] <me> but the button is locked
[07:13] <intelikey> Scorpaen go ahead you're doing fine with that one.
[07:13] <Scorpaen> me, i think that happened to me once
[07:13] <Scorpaen> not you, me
[07:13] <Scorpaen> who is on first?
[07:13] <Scorpaen> erm.
[07:13] <intelikey> :)
[07:13] <Scorpaen> hehhe
[07:13] <Scorpaen> i can't remember. i think i just rebooted to fix it.
[07:13] <Scorpaen> intelikey: ?
[07:13] <intelikey> /me did that once
[07:14] <CS5> He's on first
[07:14] <Scorpaen> intelikey: i came from a Gentoo desktop.
[07:14] <Scorpaen> 2004 i ditched xp and moved to Gentoo
[07:14] <Scorpaen> had to learn the hard way. compile everything
[07:14] <Scorpaen> now i'm fat old and lazy
[07:14] <Scorpaen> i like kubuntu
[07:14] <Scorpaen> :D lol
[07:14] <CS5> OMG, I love Kubuntu
[07:15] <DaSkreech> Scorpaen: I'm not lazy!
[07:15] <CS5> It is more simplistic and very nice.
[07:15] <hitmanWilly> Scorpaen: im still running gentoo over here :)
[07:15] <CS5> But you learn more decompiling everything do you not?
[07:15] <Scorpaen> DaSkreech: i am
[07:15] <Scorpaen> hitmanWilly: i am on my servers
[07:15] <intelikey> Scorpaen i came to linux in about 99 or 2000  i think   but that doesnt' mean i learned anything...
[07:15] <Scorpaen> intelikey: i had to have someone ssh in and install my first Gentoo
[07:15] <Scorpaen> i was LOST
[07:15] <Scorpaen> couldn't even RTFM
[07:16] <Dr_willis> i always install the 'resticted-manager' to install my video card drivers these days.
[07:16] <Dr_willis> Scorpaen,  :) thats the best way to isntall gentoo.. ssh over, while you read the html docs.
[07:16] <Scorpaen> Dr_willis: yeah
[07:16] <Scorpaen> i agree
[07:16] <Scorpaen> the liveDVD ain't purty yet
[07:16] <Scorpaen> i dunno any of you folks yet
[07:16] <hitmanWilly> Scorpaen: luckily, i had my laptop handy :)
[07:17] <Scorpaen> i seen intelikey here before
[07:17] <intelikey> oh you should have seem me fight with slackware 4.0 and floppy install   the namanclature of devices was totally forign to me.   and no help     i mean all alone...  no help...
[07:17] <Scorpaen> let me introduce myself?
[07:17] <Scorpaen> cause i'd like to be a regular here
[07:17] <Scorpaen> :)
[07:17] <hitmanWilly> intelikey: i feel ya, bro
[07:17] <arrautza> hi
[07:17] <Scorpaen> i'm 32, male, engaged
[07:17] <Scorpaen> live in south carolina, usa.
[07:17] <arun> Anyone here use KPDF?
[07:17] <Scorpaen> and i'm bipolar. right now i'm manic
[07:17] <Scorpaen> so if i talk to much tell me to shaddup
[07:17] <Scorpaen> :)
[07:18] <arrautza> can anyone tell me a comand line tu jump from edgy to festy?
[07:18] <Dr_willis> !update
[07:18] <ubotu> See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes for upgrading from Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy Eft) to Kubuntu 7.04 (Feisty Fawn)
[07:18] <Scorpaen> intelikey: lol
[07:18] <Dr_willis> !upgrade
[07:18] <me2> how do i close my other seasons
[07:18] <me2> sessions
[07:18] <Scorpaen> intelikey: i'm 100% serious dude
[07:18] <Scorpaen> or dudette
[07:18] <Scorpaen> i ain't lookin up your shorts or anything
[07:18] <Scorpaen> :P
[07:18] <intelikey> i know     but i was too
[07:18] <Dr_willis> d00d
[07:18] <intelikey> :)
[07:19] <hitmanWilly> me2: on irc? /ghost
[07:19] <koyote> why is amarok not playing?
[07:19] <Scorpaen> hey how do i hide my host here?
[07:19] <hitmanWilly> Scorpaen: run through a proxy?
[07:19] <arun> Fonts look really jagged in my PDFs if I open them using KPDF. Is there any way to fix this?
[07:19] <Dr_willis> Scorpaen,  not much need for it.  the Freenode web site has info i think.
[07:19] <Scorpaen> hitmanWilly: nope
[07:19] <me2> scorpaen
[07:19] <Scorpaen> i'm authed to nickserv
[07:19] <intelikey> you can apply for a "mask" check the freenode page
[07:19] <Scorpaen> just need the simply command
[07:19] <me2> how do i close a session
[07:19] <Scorpaen> ah ok thanks intelikey
[07:19] <koyote> "audio output unavaulable: device busy"
[07:19] <Scorpaen> i came in from undernet
[07:20] <koyote> I'm not using audio anywhere else....
[07:20] <Dr_willis> Theres really no need to worry about the hosts stuff
[07:20] <intelikey> me /quit
[07:20] <Scorpaen> Dr_willis: have you seen myh host?
[07:20] <intelikey> me2 that is
[07:20] <Scorpaen> whois me
[07:20] <Scorpaen> i got a ptr record on my home connection
[07:20] <intelikey> oh my i see why
[07:20] <Scorpaen> yeap
[07:20] <Scorpaen> hi!
[07:21] <koyote> I used to know a patrick campbell! heh.
[07:21] <Scorpaen> jeebus
[07:21] <koyote> uncommon name, not
[07:21] <Scorpaen> ok
[07:21] <Scorpaen> i guess i'm safe
[07:21] <Scorpaen> wanna know why i did it?
[07:21] <Scorpaen> :)
[07:21] <Dr_willis> Not THE patrickCampbell! :)
[07:21] <koyote> seriously, what has amarok tied up here?
[07:21] <Scorpaen> it's to remind me that everything is being recorded
[07:21] <koyote> I can't find anything and really don't want to reboot
[07:21] <Dr_willis> Look at my 'real name' :)
[07:22] <Scorpaen> koyote: you using alsa?
[07:22] <hitmanWilly> koyote: apparently some other app has alsa tied up
[07:22] <koyote> I'm using stock kubuntu. so alsa, probably
[07:22] <intelikey> koyote restart the sound server ?
[07:22] <Scorpaen> koyote: gutys or ?
[07:23] <Scorpaen> gutsy
[07:23] <Scorpaen> sorry
[07:23] <vbhide> my mic's not working
[07:23] <arun> anyone use kpdf here?
[07:23] <hitmanWilly> vbhide: is it unmuted?
[07:23] <vbhide> yes
[07:23] <intelikey> vbhide is it selected as the input/record device ?
[07:23] <vbhide> yes... in kmix
[07:24] <hitmanWilly> vbhide: and its plugged in?
[07:24] <vbhide> i don't know how i do that in alsa
[07:24] <vbhide> yes
[07:24] <koyote> restarting didn't help
[07:24] <koyote> auto suspend?
[07:24] <hitmanWilly> koyote: did amarok crash previously?
[07:24] <intelikey> vbhide would be    sudo alsamixer    i think
[07:24] <vbhide> ok lemme try
[07:25] <koyote> I don't think so, nor did kaffeine
[07:25] <hitmanWilly> koyote: just to be sure, close out amarok, then run killall amarokapp in a konsole
[07:25] <CS5> have you tried xmms?
[07:26] <CS5> I don't know why but my creative live would only play stuff after I installed it.
[07:26] <koyote> weird, my sound system is restarting in a loop. 3rd time through
[07:26] <hitmanWilly> koyote: ive had amarok hang on me before...
[07:26] <vbhide> in the capture tab, only LR capture is written above my mic but no volume settings
[07:27] <CS5> For a short time, not over and over though HitManWilly?
[07:27] <intelikey> up arrow key
[07:27] <intelikey> cursor keys
[07:27] <intelikey> is that the proper name for the arrow keys ?
[07:27] <CS5> It is acceptable anyway
[07:28] <CS5> We all knew what he meant when he said it didn't we?
[07:28] <CS5> Lmao
[07:29] <CS5> You get good Bandwidth and stuff in a teepee?
[07:29] <vbhide> no... can't chanfe those letters above mic
[07:29] <Scorpaen> tee pee = my computer
[07:29] <intelikey> 2k down
[07:29] <Scorpaen> no windows
[07:29] <Scorpaen> no gates
[07:29] <Scorpaen> Apache inside!
[07:29] <Scorpaen> :D
[07:29] <CS5> Thats the way it should be.
[07:29] <koyote> okay
[07:29] <CS5> Fu*& Bill and Microsoft.
[07:29] <intelikey> Scorpaen ah another tribe
[07:29] <koyote> restarting sound and amarok seemst o have worked
[07:30] <koyote> nice, now I'm macfrei
[07:30] <CS5> Macfrei?
[07:30] <me2> mmmm
[07:30] <me2> i got it working
[07:30] <CS5> Me2, lol
[07:30] <Scorpaen> ich spreche kein deutsch. ??
[07:30] <me2> strange how it done that
[07:30] <voln> hello, how can I move trashcan in my kubuntu desktop?
[07:30] <intelikey> nighn
[07:31] <nancy> Shit,   I FINALLY find the drier for my wireless card...I go to run the install script and get,  " ./install.sh"   and I get this crap:    113: Syntax error: "(" unexpected
[07:31] <Scorpaen> voln: unlock the icons?
[07:31] <nancy> What do I do now?   Cry?  Blow my brains out?
[07:31] <voln> yes
[07:31] <Scorpaen> whoa
[07:31] <Scorpaen> nancy: it ain't that bad!
[07:31] <nancy> drier= driver
[07:31] <Scorpaen> nancy: deep breath
[07:31] <Scorpaen> ..and edit the install.sh maybe?
[07:32] <nancy> I tried....but every "("  appears to be in the correct spot.
[07:32] <nancy> Scorpaen:   I could send you the script if you think you could possibly find the misplaced  "("  ?
[07:32] <koyote> you may be missing a ) ?
[07:32] <intelikey> nancy edit the script and on the very first line   if it says    #!/bin/sh       make it    #!/bin/bash    and retry
[07:32] <nancy> I will try that now
[07:32] <nancy> intelikey:   be right back
[07:32] <voln> Scorpaen, what next?
[07:33] <Scorpaen> voln: drag and drop it?
[07:33] <intelikey> koyote looks like bashism to me   but it could be a missing  identifier   ;   maybe or even   do  or  fi     i'd have to look at the script.
[07:33] <arun> Does anyone else see jagged fonts in kpdf?
[07:34] <voln> Scorpaen, I can't
[07:34] <intelikey> !fonts | arun
[07:34] <ubotu> arun: Font installation basics here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FontInstallHowto - No fonts in Flash? Install "msttcorefonts" (from !Multiverse), "gsfonts", and "gsfonts-x11". No fonts in MPlayer? see !MPlayer
[07:34] <koyote> I'm too used to elisp :)
[07:34] <Scorpaen> voln: one sec
[07:34] <voln> Scorpaen, no option to drag or move
[07:34] <hitmanWilly> koyote: one language ive never had any desire to learn :)
[07:35] <koyote> it's a lot better than back in pre 19 days.
[07:35] <me> how do i close a session
[07:35] <me> a kubuntu session
[07:35] <Scorpaen> voln: i dont even have that icon
[07:35] <Scorpaen> lol
[07:35] <intelikey> me exit
[07:35] <intelikey> quit
[07:35] <Scorpaen> i lost it
[07:35] <me> do i type that in terminal
[07:36] <voln> Scorpaen, on the bottom...
[07:36] <Scorpaen> ahhhhh
[07:36] <Scorpaen> voln:
[07:36] <Scorpaen> right click an empty area of the taskbar
[07:36] <intelikey> no you use the mouse  me    the kmenu   logout
[07:36] <Scorpaen> voln: then unclock it
[07:36] <Scorpaen> voln: then you can drag them around
[07:36] <Scorpaen> the icons that is, voln
[07:36] <intelikey> me   one can  salute it    crtl+alt+backspace      but thats drastic
[07:37] <hitmanWilly> intelikey: i think he figured it out :)
[07:37] <intelikey> yeah i saw that
[07:37] <arun> intelikey: this doesn't seem to be an issue with the fonts, seems to be an issue with kpdf
[07:37] <bionic> mmm still didnt work
[07:37] <bionic> it didnt close down the other session
[07:38] <intelikey> arun hmmm    test against xpdf  ?
[07:38] <hitmanWilly> anyway, later all
[07:38] <|gandhii|> When hitting the "build collection" button on Amarok, it seems to only let me choose a local directory..  how do I "map" a smb share to a "mount" point like I do when I mount a drive?
[07:38] <intelikey> bionic other session ?     kill  kdm    that should get it.
[07:39] <arun> ah
[07:39] <arun> just tested against Evince.. fonts look great in Evince
[07:39] <kristjan_> I need a small favor - someone do "ifconfig" and see if "MTU" is same for "lo" and "eth0"
[07:39] <intelikey> gandhii me too   but i'll keep stabbing until i see blood
[07:40] <nancy> intelikey:   THAT worked..changed from sh to bash!
[07:40] <voln> Scorpaen, I unlock, but no option there
[07:40] <nancy> intelikey:   tHANK YA THANK YOU
[07:40] <gandhii> hehehe
[07:40] <intelikey> nancy yeah i write a lot of shell scripts and i thought i recognized the error
[07:40] <arun> intelikey: why do fonts look bad on kpdf for me? any ideas?
[07:40] <intelikey> welcome
[07:40] <arun> intelikey: i just tested with evince and fonts look great and smooth
[07:41] <intelikey> arun no   that's why i asked if you checked xpdf   to see if it rendered correctly
[07:41] <intelikey> arun there may be a bug/glitch in that version of kpdf   idk.
[07:41] <arun> ah alright, thanks
[07:42] <arun> i didnt check with xpdf, i checked with evince.. downloading xpdf now
[07:42] <osiris> ubotu, > frostwire osiris
[07:43] <intelikey> nancy   you can mark that script as  "not fully posix compliant"    for the record.
[07:43] <osiris> ubotu, frostwire > osiris
[07:44] <intelikey> cheeper to say /msg ubotu blah   but hey that works too
[07:45] <bionic> mate once i master linux
[07:45] <bionic> its going to be good
[07:45] <arun> wow, evince is pretty cool actually
[07:46] <bionic> but its a bit daunting right now
[07:46] <bionic> but still alot of fun
[07:46] <bionic> searching through the magical world of this OS
[07:46] <vbhide> yes.... i agree biotic
[07:46] <vbhide> *bionic
[07:46] <intelikey> bionic true dat
[07:46] <bionic> where about do you guys live
[07:47] <bionic> im in australia
[07:47] <vbhide> is there a short cut for going to k menu?
[07:47] <arun> alt f1
[07:47] <intelikey> well belss my time.  howdy ausi   i'm across the pond from ya
[07:47] <arun> vbhide: alt + f1
[07:48] <vbhide> thanks arun
[07:48] <intelikey> just don't add ctrl to that unless you know what a console is
[07:49] <bionic> do you get many australians in here
[07:49] <intelikey> yeah several actually
[07:49] <bionic> do you think much money can be made on google adsense ?
[07:49] <intelikey> the majority are from US but i've seen ips from just about country on the planet in here
[07:50] <intelikey> bionic i wouldn't know.
[07:50] <bionic> hey u know this kate program
[07:50] <bionic> im download americas army
[07:50] <bionic> and it Kate popped up
[07:50] <bionic> why
[07:50] <bionic> what does it do
[07:51] <bionic> cd '/pub/filesnetwork/Americas_Army/Official_Releases/Full_Install'
[07:51] <bionic> me@me:~$ cd '/pub/filesnetwork/Americas_Army/Official_Releases/Full_Install'
[07:51] <bionic> bash: cd: /pub/filesnetwork/Americas_Army/Official_Releases/Full_Install: No such file or directory
[07:51] <bionic> me@me:~$
[07:51] <intelikey> kate is a editor/word processor
[07:51] <bionic> thats what its doing
[07:51] <intelikey> in kate ???
[07:51] <bionic> yeah
[07:51] <intelikey> not in konsole  ?
[07:51] <bionic> its just popped up on its own
[07:51] <Daisuke_Ido> uh
[07:52] <bionic> oh
[07:52] <bionic> terminal
[07:52] <intelikey> yeah
[07:52] <bionic> yeah in kate but the terminal
[07:52] <bionic> does that mean there is something wrong
[07:52] <bionic> or is that normal
[07:52] <Daisuke_Ido> um, /pub/ tells me you're trying to use an ftp
[07:52] <sx66> does beryl work in kubuntu? I have not got it to work
[07:52] <bionic> no its download from http
[07:53] <Daisuke_Ido> bionic: "kate" and "terminal" are mutually exclusive
[07:53] <intelikey> !beryl | sx66 they tell me that it does,
[07:53] <ubotu> sx66 they tell me that it does,: beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. Help in #ubuntu-effects
[07:53] <Daisuke_Ido> it does.  a tad unreliable though
[07:54] <sx66> intelikey: so, beryl does not work...?
[07:54] <intelikey> sx66 and seeing that they have a special channel for it   i'll just point you at it       #ubuntu-effects
[07:54] <arun> sx66: beryl is a bit faulty in kubuntu.. at least when i tried it.. it worked alright, but with beryl installed videos won't work in full screen
[07:54] <sx66> intelikey: so, that means, that beryl does not work?
[07:54] <intelikey> Daisuke_Ido what chip ?
[07:55] <Daisuke_Ido> nvidia 7600gs
[07:55] <intelikey> sx66 no that means that i don't personally know enough about it so support it.
[07:55] <Daisuke_Ido> it just seemed flaky, crashing randomly
[07:55] <intelikey> Daisuke_Ido hmmm   k.
[07:56] <Daisuke_Ido> when it worked, it was beautiful as a newborn baby being eaten by a lion, but when it didn't, it was as ugly as a lion being eaten by a newborn baby
[07:56] <Daisuke_Ido> and if you can't tell, i'm tired :(
[07:56] <intelikey> so support/to support it
[07:56] <intelikey> hmmm was that backwards    ????
[07:56] <bionic> what this katapault do
[07:57] <intelikey> as beautiful as a little red wagon going up a steep hill
[07:57] <intelikey> bionic he launch thing ?
[07:58] <intelikey> him launch stuff !
[07:58] <bionic> df
[07:58] <intelikey> alt+space_bar   konsole enter
[07:59] <intelikey> him throw  konsole at window
[08:01] <dotz> can anyone on kubuntu play videos from www.bbc.com ?
[08:01] <dotz> it says it require x-mplayer2
[08:01] <Daisuke_Ido> intelikey: that may have been backwards, i'm not sure
[08:02] <dotz> is it possible to play video from there/?
[08:02] <intelikey> Daisuke_Ido splain ?
[08:02] <sx66> when I select beryl manager for the windows it does not cross over
[08:03] <bionic> why doesnt my sound work
[08:03] <Daisuke_Ido> sx66: you have to select beryl as the window manager
[08:03] <intelikey> Daisuke_Ido oh   sorry,   i fell behind there.
[08:03] <intelikey> yeah may have been backwards      seems like it...  :)
[08:03] <sx66> Daisuke_Ido: how do you do that? when I try to select beryl as the window manager it blinks the screen and reloads back to default
[08:04] <bionic> how do you get your sound to work on this thing
[08:04] <bionic> its auto detected
[08:04] <intelikey> !sound | bionic
[08:04] <ubotu> bionic: If you're having problems with sound, first ensure ARTS is running, by going to K Menu -> System Settings -> Sound System and making sure "Enable the sound system" is checked. If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP3
[08:05] <intelikey> !botsnack
[08:05] <Daisuke_Ido> sx66: what video card do you have?
[08:05] <sx66> intel, it works under xfce, gnome, but not kde...
[08:05] <ubotu> Yum! Err, I mean, APT!
[08:05] <bionic> its all checked and enabled
[08:06] <sx66> ?
[08:06] <intelikey> sx66 one more time.  i'll have to jsut point you to the official channel for that    #ubuntu-effects
[08:07] <bionic> why is everything so hard to get working this thing
[08:08] <intelikey> bionic you checked that trubleshooting link ?
[08:08] <sx66> intelikey: they do not know what is wrong
[08:08] <bionic> yes
[08:08] <bionic> tells me nothing
[08:08] <intelikey> sx66 well i don't either,   but Daisuke_Ido has offered to help you with it.
 sx66: what video card do you have?
[08:09] <Daisuke_Ido> sx66: they know more than i do
[08:09] <Daisuke_Ido> i know exactly *jack* about getting it to work with an intel chipset
[08:10] <sx66> Daisuke_Ido: intel
[08:12] <intelikey> bionic konsole command:   aplay -l
[08:13] <nancy> Where can I turn off and completely DISABLE Kwallet?  Thank you
[08:14] <jussi01> nancy: are you sure thats what you want? its much easier just to have the password set to nothing and then it never prompts you
[08:14] <ShockValue> man, sometimes inspiration hits and you can make a really good mixed cd.. but sometimes it just dosent flow.. ya know?
[08:14] <nancy> jussi01:   Yeah,  I want to disable it.  As I always have on every other installation.  Easy to find in a the stock kde settings...but this is different ad cannot find in kubuntu
[08:14] <intelikey> and sometimes
[08:15] <intelikey> what was i going to say...
[08:15] <intelikey> nancy look in kcontrol
[08:15] <nancy> ok
[08:16] <nancy> awww...now that looks more familiar
[08:16] <nancy> :)
[08:16] <intelikey> stock kde settings = kcontrol
[08:18] <intelikey> if i do   chattr +i /etc   will that break boot up ?
[08:18] <nancy> Oh and another thing if I may...  I stuck in an old Ati 128 fury  video card.   (AGP)   What are the chances of getting ati's accelerated driver working on a card that old?  Do they even make anything?  (by accelerated,  I mean  Opengl...etc)  ?  Thank you.
[08:19] <bionic> its an onboard sound card
[08:19] <bionic> ac97
[08:19] <intelikey> nancy i don't know.  my nvidia is not supported   riva128 agp    so  i wouldn't count on it.
[08:19] <bionic> i got it on auto detect
[08:20] <intelikey> bionic konsole command:   aplay -l        what's it say ?
[08:20] <bionic> ** List of PLAYBACK Hardware Devices ****
[08:20] <bionic> card 0: V8237 [VIA 8237] , device 0: VIA 8237 [VIA 8237] 
[08:20] <bionic>   Subdevices: 3/4
[08:21] <bionic>   Subdevice #0: subdevice #0
[08:21] <intelikey> ok.
[08:21] <nancy> intelikey:   Well,  then there goes the groovy screensavers   :(
[08:21] <bionic>   Subdevice #1: subdevice #1
[08:21] <bionic>   Subdevice #2: subdevice #2
[08:21] <bionic>   Subdevice #3: subdevice #3
[08:21] <bionic> card 0: V8237 [VIA 8237] , device 1: VIA 8237 [VIA 8237] 
[08:21] <bionic>   Subdevices: 1/1
[08:21] <bionic>   Subdevice #0: subdevice #0
[08:21] <intelikey> nancy i don't me to discurage you from looking just don't be surprised if it's not supported.
[08:22] <intelikey> bionic konsole;  sudo alsamixer
[08:22] <nancy> Well,  I went down the same road with Nvidia Geforce2 a few months back...and that didn't work due to age.  I would expect ati to be the same,  now that you mention it.
[08:22] <intelikey> check the volume settings for the pcm and master especally
[08:22] <sx66> what is better, kde, or xfce as in resources?
[08:22] <bionic> intelikey nothing :(
[08:23] <intelikey> bionic nothing ?
[08:23] <bionic> nothing at all
[08:23] <intelikey> didn't ask for apassword or nothing ?
[08:23] <bionic> hold on
[08:23] <bionic> yeah it did
[08:24] <nancy> Next question if I may.  There is some kind of script or something I was reading about called,  "Automatix"  or something?  That will grab the harder to get codecs,   etc ??  Last time I tried it all fell apart badly.  Is there one made specifically for Kubuntu ?
[08:24] <intelikey> !automatix | nancy
[08:24] <ubotu> nancy: Automatix2 is a script that tries to install some software, and often fails and breaks systems. We don't provide support for it, and we strongly discourage its use. Problems caused by Automatix are often hard to track and solve, and it might sometimes be easier to !install a fresh copy of Ubuntu. See also !WorksForMe
[08:25] <bionic> im an idiot
[08:25] <nancy> intelikey:   So I would just be better off grabbing the codecs,  etc....by "hand" then ?
[08:25] <intelikey> !WorksForMe | nancy
[08:25] <ubotu> nancy: Common Sense: Just because you can, does not mean you should (and especially recommend to others). Think before you do. "Works for me" does not mean it is ok. The latest version of everything is not always useful if you aim for stability.
[08:25] <bionic> i feel like a real idiot
[08:25] <bionic> i figured it out
[08:25] <intelikey> !codecs | nancy
[08:25] <ubotu> nancy: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[08:25] <utnubuk> somebody please tell me that kword is automatically set up to do backups !!!!!
[08:26] <intelikey> bionic you're welcome     some times i have that affect on people...  :)
[08:26] <utnubuk> just lost a 22 pg paper thats due tomorrow
[08:26] <intelikey> utnubuk in the same dir   ls -A
[08:26] <utnubuk> please somebody help me i need to find this thing
[08:26] <intelikey> if it's there you'll see it.
[08:26] <utnubuk> ok thanks intelikey
[08:26] <bionic> oh no still not working
[08:27] <utnubuk> ah crap
[08:27] <bionic> arrrr
[08:27] <bionic> wtf
[08:27] <bionic> i just changed my the jacks
[08:27] <intelikey> utnubuk can you open the app and open the same file from it's menu
[08:28] <bionic> at the back of the computer
[08:28] <bionic> and its working
[08:28] <bionic> strange
[08:28] <bionic> windows used the other jack
[08:28] <intelikey> bionic if you look carefully at the hardware it's ptobably marked what each is....
[08:28] <utnubuk> intelikey it was on a memory card, i took it to my dads mac to try to print it, and the file got corrupted somehow cuz i was being hasty at this late hour of the night .....
[08:29] <intelikey> oh no
[08:29] <utnubuk> intelikey, can i find it on the card's trash folder somehow? everything in there has funny characters
[08:29] <intelikey> if the file is corrupt finding it is only half the battle
[08:30] <utnubuk> am i better off rewriting it or trying to recover?
[08:30] <utnubuk> its long i have to start now if im gonna write it again
[08:30] <gandhii> inteli:  i figured out how to mount to a samba share:    sudo mount -t smbfs -o username=yourusername,password=yourpassword //server/share /mnt/point
[08:31] <bionic> excellent sound working
[08:32] <intelikey> utnubuk replace "that/dir" in this line and run it...         for Q in `ls that/dir` ;do type $Q ;read -p 'this one ?  ' p ;[ "$p" = y ]  && cp $Q ~/recovered.file$Q ;done
[08:33] <intelikey> utnubuk and if it doesn't show up, just start writing.
[08:33] <utnubuk> ok thanks
[08:34] <intelikey> that string is interactive btw   ^
[08:34] <utnubuk> do i write '/media/disk/.Trash' ??
[08:34] <intelikey> yep
[08:34] <utnubuk> okok
[08:34] <bionic> i just downloaded americas army
[08:34] <intelikey> and if you find it hit y
[08:35] <bionic> how do i play it now
[08:35] <intelikey> bionic what is the file name ?
[08:35] <bionic> i dont know
[08:35] <bionic> where would it download to
[08:36] <utnubuk> it says 0. or 0: every time after the first few...
[08:36] <intelikey> if you didn't use sudo or gksudo   look in your home dir
[08:36] <utnubuk> im just going to start writing it thanks for the help anyway man
[08:36] <utnubuk> ok
[08:36] <holycow> utnubuk: sorry about that dude
[08:36] <holycow> just so tha tyou know
[08:36] <holycow> oo has a feature to automatically save a backup copy
[08:36] <bionic> its just got desktop
[08:36] <holycow> you should turn tha ton
[08:36] <holycow> its very helpfull
[08:36] <holycow> utnubuk: how did you end up loosing it?
[08:36] <utnubuk> i was using kword cuz oo doesnt work on tribe 3...
[08:37] <intelikey> utnubuk haste makes waste,  and every hurry i get takes longer
[08:37] <holycow> you opened the file from usb, started typing and then just pulled out the usb key?
[08:37] <holycow> if so don't do that
[08:37] <holycow> copy file to desktop and work on it there
[08:37] <utnubuk> i took the disk out, went to my dad's mac that had a disk in, switched them without doing safely remove, and it replaced my files with dcim folders ....
[08:37] <holycow> then copy rfile back
[08:37] <holycow> aha
[08:37] <holycow> did you have a copy of it on the other desktop?
[08:38] <utnubuk> yeah but not the finished product, i still have to do another 8 pgs or so... im gonna go make some coffee
[08:38] <holycow> :/ sorry to hear dude
[08:38] <intelikey> yeah us all
[08:39] <intelikey> patti's back,     not irish are you ?
[08:40] <intelikey> patrick campbell    that sounds irish to me
[08:40] <Scorpaen> scottish
[08:40] <Scorpaen> ;)
[08:40] <intelikey> oh close
[08:40] <jtong> can someone help me with file permission problem?
[08:40] <holycow> lol
[08:41] <holycow> wars have been started over fewer words intelikey
[08:41] <holycow> i DARE you to go to glasgow and say that
[08:41] <holycow> hahaha
[08:41] <intelikey> holycow and ended
[08:41] <jtong> changed a file to belong under a group and changed permission to 770
[08:41] <intelikey> what that ireland is close to scottland ?
[08:41] <jtong> but user is still unable to access the file
[08:42] <intelikey> jtong and the user is in the group ?
[08:42] <holycow> both are highly nationalist and proud of their heritage ... saying they are close is like saying it's okay to be a newfie
[08:42] <jtong> yes
[08:42] <holycow> *giggle*
[08:42] <jtong> i did groups <username>
[08:43] <bionic> is there good crack tools for linux
[08:43] <holycow> rofl
[08:43] <holycow> what the hell?
[08:43] <intelikey> well any ridgid nationalism is  kinda forign to me
[08:43] <holycow> what are you talking about fool?
[08:43] <holycow> on linux everything is free, what the  hell are you talking about?
[08:43] <jtong> intelikey: is it because the system needs to read the group file somehow?
[08:43] <bionic> ahhaha
[08:43] <bionic> im talking about cracking tools
[08:43] <bionic> tools to break into the cia
[08:43] <bionic> hahaha
[08:43] <bionic> jj guys
[08:44] <holycow> oh yes lots
[08:44] <holycow> like
[08:44] <holycow> just do
[08:44] <jtong> intelikey: i try to access it right after i added the user to the group
[08:44] <holycow> apt-get install crack_the_cia
[08:44] <holycow> and apt-get i-am-a-retard
[08:44] <intelikey> jtong have to log out and back in for the group to be affective
[08:45] <jtong> oh right
[08:45] <jtong> i thought it reads it dynamically, i'm trying it now
[08:45] <bionic> hahha
[08:45] <holycow> glad you have a sense of humour :)
[08:45] <jtong> intelikey: there is no command to update it so i dont have to log out?
[08:46] <intelikey> jtong yeah  but i don't know it  off hand
[08:46] <jtong> ok
[08:47] <intelikey> hack dhs ?
[08:48] <intelikey> do what ????
[08:49] <intelikey> oh i see now.      duh.
[08:50] <intelikey> E: sense-common post installation script returns error code 255  incorrect ram type.
[08:51] <jussi01> lol
[08:51] <intelikey> :)
[08:52] <jussi01> intelikey: its sense --common
[08:52] <jussi01> :P
[08:52] <intelikey> E: apt: package sense --common not found.
[08:52] <jussi01> lol
[08:53] <intelikey> common sense seems to be and uncommon thing in #kubuntu
[08:53] <jussi01> intelikey: true
[08:54] <intelikey> hey i'm not all "one liners"  and monolog ya know.
[08:54] <jussi01> intelikey: ok, got a question for you
[08:54] <jussi01> :P
[08:54] <intelikey> shoot
[08:55] <intelikey> nancy from tn is back   hello nancy
[08:55] <intelikey> tn is close to ky
[08:55] <jussi01> Im lazy, tell me where to change the font size in konq so it stays that way every start up. ctrl+mousewheel is good, but it doesnt stay....
[08:56] <nancy> Well,  I managed to find the damn driver for the wireless...get's 3/4's of the way through the script and it bitches about not having kernel headers/sources.  And I KNOW I installed them.
[08:56] <jussi01> lol
[08:56] <jussi01> poor nancy
[08:57] <intelikey> jussi01 possably ~/.kde/share/apps/konqueror/   i think the runtime config file in there will do that.   and there should be a way through  kcontrol  also.
[08:58] <intelikey> in kcontrol > look & feel > fonts     iirc   i don't have kde installed so i can't check that
[08:59] <jussi01> k
[08:59] <intelikey> jussi01   ^    and see i'm not all "one liners"  and monolog
[08:59] <jussi01> lol
[08:59] <nancy> I can't find Kwallet inside kcontrol.  Anyone know EXACTLY where it is ?
[09:00] <intelikey> just 99$
[09:00] <intelikey> just 99%
[09:00] <jussi01> lol, intelikey what were you saying? you want to give me 99$ ?
[09:00] <intelikey> nancy no.  but privacy and security   come to mind
[09:01] <scotty> Does kopete log chats, if so, where is that log?
[09:01] <intelikey> jussi01 that's right,   and the bed is down the hall on the left   you are sleep walking again
[09:01] <jussi01> nancy: is there a reason you dont just kill kwallet and save your session?
[09:01] <jussi01> @now helsinki
[09:01] <ubotu> Current time in Europe/Helsinki: August 02 2007, 10:01:51 - Next meeting: Ubuntu Development Team in 12 hours 58 minutes
[09:02] <jussi01> intelikey: bit early for beds dont you thinK?
[09:02] <intelikey> then wake up.    :)
[09:02] <jussi01> lol
[09:03] <intelikey> give you $$ heh
[09:03] <jussi01> intelikey: why doesnt gnash actually do anything....?
[09:03] <intelikey> that i don't konw
[09:03] <under2x> hey what would you guys use to convert a bunch of ogg files to mp3?
[09:03] <under2x> like some kind of batch converter?
[09:03] <intelikey> ogg2mp3  maybe ?
[09:04] <dotz> i solved the gtp key error on fiesty by doing a apt-get upgrade first before apt-get update
[09:04] <jussi01> !info ogg2mp3
[09:04] <ubotu> Package ogg2mp3 does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas
[09:04] <jussi01> hmmm
[09:05] <jussi01> nah, they are all lame...
[09:05] <TheNo1Yeti> Is there some trick to getting dual monitors working with KDE that I'm just missing?  Every time I try to use the monitor administration panel to set it up when I restart the X server it just crashes and I have to restore from a backup xorg.conf file
[09:05] <scotty> intelikey: Any idea how to make kopete log all chats? It looks like it only logged one line of one conversation in ~/.kde/share/apps/kopete/logs
[09:06] <crazy_bus> I got a new 1gb usb memory stick but for some reason konquror tells me it has 28gb's of binary text files on it for some reason.  So I was wondering how I could format it in kubuntu to get rid of them
[09:06] <jussi01> scotty: you need to enable logging in the kopete settings
[09:06] <Agent_bob> vorbis-tools
[09:06] <scotty> jussi01: Where is that setting? I can't seem to find it.
[09:08] <under2x> !info soundkonverter
[09:08] <nancy> jussi01:   Probably because Kopete insists I use it every time it starts and kcontrol shows it's still running.  However,  adept shows that it's not installed in the first place.   :(
[09:08] <ubotu> soundkonverter: KDE frontend to various audio converters. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.3.1-0ubuntu1 (feisty), package size 365 kB, installed size 1456 kB
[09:08] <Agent_bob> crazy_bus carefull you aren't looking at an hd partition or something     scsi emulation making hda appear as sda    but formating   sudo mkfs.<type> /dev/<device>
[09:09] <jussi01> nancy: have you tried ctrl+esc and killing it, then saving the session?
[09:09] <Agent_bob> and you may want   mtools   if you want to format vfat
[09:10] <crazy_bus> is vfat the default format type?
[09:10] <Agent_bob> jussi01 kill kicker ?
[09:10] <nancy> jussi01:   Doesn't show it running there either
[09:10] <Agent_bob> crazy_bus vfat is fat16/32  which is what it probably had
[09:10] <jussi01> Agent_bob: no, wallet
[09:10] <jussi01> nancy: weird
[09:11] <bionic> i heard linux is good for hacking
[09:11] <crazy_bus> how do I use mtools as I need to make the format fat to work
[09:11] <bionic> type sudo -
[09:12] <Agent_bob> sure it is,  it's all open source so you can hack your whole system
[09:12] <jussi01> nancy: kcontrol -> security and privacy -> kwallet
[09:12] <nancy> jussi01:   Looking now
[09:12] <bionic> is there good kiddie script for linux
[09:12] <Agent_bob> bionic -i
[09:12] <bionic> bionic -i
[09:12] <jussi01> nancy there is an option there to turn it off
[09:12] <Agent_bob> bionic yes it's installed it's called  /etc/sudoers
[09:13] <Agent_bob> bionic it's sudo -i  not sudo -           like  su -
[09:13] <jussi01> !sudo
[09:13] <ubotu> sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[09:14] <Agent_bob> or a root kit
[09:15] <Agent_bob> is intelikey here ?     i'll hack him
[09:16] <jussi01> !o4o | Agent_bob
[09:16] <ubotu> Agent_bob: Some things are inappropriate for #ubuntu-offtopic. It is asked that controversial topics: war, race, religion, politics (unless related to software licencing), gender, sexuality, drugs, questionable legal activities, removing of oneself from the planet (except by space travel) are not for here, perhaps #off-topic or ##politics. Microsoft software in ##windows (Please note Freenode Policy) - Thanks.
[09:16] <Agent_bob> take that.
[09:16] <mike__> Greets, everyone...
[09:16] <mike__> Does anyone know if there's a way to run apt-cdrom noninteractively?
[09:17] <Agent_bob> jussi01 and that applies how ?
[09:19] <Agent_bob> jussi01 i'm sorry   i still missed it.       you do know i get all my warez at 127.0.0.1 dont you ?
[09:19] <jussi01> Agent_bob: never mind...
[09:20] <WhtWolfTeraDyne> O_o;
[09:20] <crazy_bus> is this the command I should use to format a usb disk to fat16 (which fat is more appopriate for a 1gb usb memory stick)sudo mkfs.vfat -F 16 -n instername /dev/sda1
[09:21] <intelikey> crazy_bus yeah   assuming it has a partition.   some dont   and it would lack that trailing "1"
[09:27] <crazy_bus> intelikey: I tried that but it says mkfs.vfat: Will not try to make filesystem on full-disk device '/dev/sda' (use -I if wanted)
[09:28] <intelikey> crazy_bus yeah it will just add the switch
[09:28] <intelikey> (use -I if wanted)
[09:28] <intelikey> mkfs.vfat -I -F 16 -n instername /dev/sda
[09:28] <intelikey> sudo that of course
[09:29] <intelikey> super user do that of course
[09:29] <crazy_bus> how do I tell if it worked.  I pressed enter but nothing seemed to happen
[09:30] <intelikey> no error means no error
[09:30] <jussi01> unix commands are like that, they only tell you when something goes wrong
[09:31] <intelikey> or the command is an information command
[09:32] <crazy_bus> so there's no way to tell when its finished formatting?
[09:32] <intelikey> when the command prompt is back it's done
[09:32] <intelikey> unless you added  &   then  you'll have to watch top  or something
[09:33] <intelikey> type   fg    or what ever
[09:33] <intelikey> but the format should have took about .8 seconds
[09:33] <arun> jussi01: what's up
[09:34] <jussi01> arun: its evil, always takes so fecking long to down load, they need a better server...
[09:34] <intelikey> all it would have done is write two new file allocation tables and exited.
[09:35] <jussi01> arun:
[09:35] <jussi01>  1800K .......... .......... .......... .......... .......... 72%  368.17 B/s
[09:35] <jussi01>  1850K .......... ....
[09:35] <jussi01> arun: look at the speed....
[09:35] <arun> ouch
[09:35] <jussi01> and i have a fecking 10/10 connection
[09:35] <intelikey> looks like some of my dl speeds
[09:36] <intelikey> and i'm on dialup slowdem
[09:36] <jussi01> lol
[09:36] <intelikey> in the tee pea
[09:36] <jussi01> hehhe
[09:36] <WhtWolfTeraDyne> ... my laptop's CD drive has officially died. It'll spin up, but it won't read.
[09:37] <intelikey> take it out and put it back in ?      maybe the connector...
[09:38] <intelikey> don't know if you do that hot or not tho
[09:38] <intelikey> i never have
[09:38] <intelikey> that assumes removable drive bay
[09:39] <WhtWolfTeraDyne> intelikey: it's an integrated cd drive, so I can't get to the connector. I was already going to send it in for repair due to some screen flicker, so this will just be one more reason. Maybe they'll finally replace it...
[09:39] <jussi01> the sad thing is, there are bits where it looks like: 700K .......... .......... .......... .......... .......... 29%    1.12 MB/s
[09:39] <intelikey> yah
[09:39] <jussi01> WhtWolfTeraDyne: what brand of lappy?
[09:39] <WhtWolfTeraDyne> jussi01: eMachines M2352
[09:39] <jussi01> k
[09:41] <intelikey> jussi01 lots of throtteling  on the upstream end
[09:41] <intelikey> i find that mostly on ta connections
[09:41] <test> hey
[09:42] <jussi01> ta connections?
[09:42] <intelikey> test
[09:42] <jussi01> hi test
[09:42] <intelikey> transatlantic
[09:42] <jussi01> intelikey: oh
[09:42] <test> kubuntu is great thanks guys
[09:42] <jussi01> :)
[09:43] <intelikey> yeah it's big
[09:43] <test> question
[09:43] <intelikey> oh you mean good  ok..
[09:43] <test> how good does wine work these days
[09:43] <test> ?
[09:43] <jussi01> test: depends what for
[09:43] <intelikey> very well on what it works well on
[09:43] <jussi01> for somethings, perfectly, others...welll....
[09:43] <intelikey> still several things that wont run in it
[09:43] <test> games not state of the art
[09:44] <jussi01> test: what games?
[09:44] <test> rfactor
[09:44] <test> falcon 4.0
[09:44] <test> vice city
[09:44] <intelikey> http://www.winehq.org
[09:44] <dotz> !image
[09:44] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about image - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:44] <dotz> !cdimage
[09:44] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about cdimage - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:44] <intelikey> !iso
[09:44] <arun> yay i just got my official feisty fawn cd... in less than two weeks at that. very cool
[09:44] <ubotu> To mount an ISO disc image, type  sudo mount -o loop <ISO-filename> <mountpoint>  - There is a list of useful cd image conversion tools at http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/CD_Image_Conversion - Always verify the ISO using !MD5 before !burning.
[09:45] <jussi01> test: rfactor doesnt work no.
[09:46] <WhtWolfTeraDyne> What package do I need for the debuging symbols in the KDE crash handler?
[09:46] <intelikey> kdelibs-dev is it ?    i'm not sure
[09:47] <sdf> Wow, I've just had multiple kernel panics booting into kubuntu..,
[09:47] <WhtWolfTeraDyne> intelikey: I have that. Still nothing. Hmmm...
[09:47] <WhtWolfTeraDyne> !debug
[09:47] <ubotu> For help debugging your program, please see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingProcedures
[09:47] <intelikey> sdf kewl,   what's it panicing about ?   no root fs ?
[09:47] <WhtWolfTeraDyne> There it is. gdb
[09:48] <intelikey> maybe
[09:48] <runlevelten> 3 kernel panics in a row, I think it's hardware tbh.
[09:48] <imslow3r> look at my question :) http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=3120243#post3120243
[09:48] <runlevelten> The last one _really_ crapped out, which is a shame as I'd just started using kubuntu as my development platform (!)
[09:48] <intelikey> runlevelten sounds more like initramfs to me...  but hey what do i know a bout a kernel picnic
[09:49] <WhtWolfTeraDyne> well, that wasn't it. I guess I'll keep searching.
[09:49] <pag> imslow3r, yup. just install new.db and it'll update
[09:49] <pag> deb that is
[09:50] <intelikey> runlevelten what were the panics about ?
[09:50] <runlevelten> intelikey: nothing, apparently :\
[09:51] <imslow3r> pag: ok I will try that
[09:51] <intelikey> no message with the panic ?    that's not much to go on
[09:52] <nancy> Ok folks...I managed to build my patch file to get my wireless working.  Please tell me how to proceed from here to patch the kernel please?  (feisty - kde 3.5.6)
[09:56] <test> hmm none of my games will work properly
[09:56] <runlevelten> oops, there we go again, different operating system too.
[09:56] <runlevelten> great.
[09:56] <boris_> i know this is a stupid question, but how do i set wallpaper in kde ? (dapper)
[09:57] <pag> boris_, right click on desktop -> configure desktop
[09:57] <intelikey> runlevelten ok that's not boot time panics then ?
[09:57] <runlevelten> not only.
[09:57] <boris_> pag ty very much
[09:57] <runlevelten> great. This is my dev machine too, and I'm on a wing and a prayer til my next work. woo! :(
[09:57] <intelikey> ok  i misunderstood you    yeah that's hardware then.    and probably thermal
[09:58] <intelikey> find the hot spot
[09:58] <runlevelten> I'm hoping it is. thermal I can fix
[09:59] <sheldonc> the way stuff is mounted in /media/ ... im assuming that has something to do with udev rules or am i barking up the wrong tree?
[09:59] <intelikey> could be drive  ram  cpu  of a connection on the board
[10:00] <intelikey> sheldonc udev rules apply to the way udev makes and removes device nodes in /dev
[10:00] <intelikey> and inserts and removes kernel modules
[10:00] <intelikey> which apply to /dev/ as well
[10:00] <sheldonc> intelikey: so the way things are dynamically mounted within /media/ for external devices is defined where?
[10:01] <sheldonc> like, if i edit my fstab
[10:01] <nzk> Can I use KDE4 on Kubuntu?
[10:01] <intelikey> fstab will make them more static than dynamic
[10:01] <sheldonc> intelikey: it wants an existing mount point, so i have to create a directory. but if i just shove in an external drive, it seems to create this mntpoint on the fly.
[10:02] <sheldonc> nzk: yes, but it isn't useful unless you're interested in development
[10:02] <nzk> Well KDE3 is hideous
[10:02] <sheldonc> nzk: but mostly stable :)
[10:03] <intelikey> sheldonc right.   but the mountpoint matches the device   i.e.  /dev/sda1 mounted on /media/sda1     and i'm not sure what in kde is responcable for that
[10:03] <sheldonc> hmmm
[10:03] <test> anyone know how I can get the kde classic windows decoration?
[10:04] <intelikey> test  kcontrol   themes  clasic
[10:04] <test> thanks
[10:04] <intelikey> !theme
[10:04] <ubotu> Find your themes at: http://www.gnome-look.org - http://art.gnome.org - http://www.kde-look.org - http://themes.freshmeat.net/browse/58/ - http://www.guistyles.com - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/ - Also see !changethemes and https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuEyeCandy
[10:04] <intelikey> !changethemes
[10:04] <ubotu> To change your themes, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuEyeCandy.  Kubuntu users should visit https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CustomizeKubuntu.
[10:04] <sheldonc> intelikey: actually it's a bit weirder than that, where it creates /media/VOLUMENAME, so my external drive is like /dev/sdax but is mounted as /media/EXTFAT32 for example. in any case if i figure it out ill let you know
[10:05] <intelikey> sheldonc ok.   and btw   i think hald is involved so that might be a starting place
[10:06] <intelikey> hal = hardware abstraction layer   (daemon)
[10:07] <intelikey> !ch
[10:07] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ch - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:08] <intelikey> !dk
[10:08] <ubotu> For at f support til Ubuntu p Dansk bedes du venligst g til #ubuntu-dk. I denne kanal tales kun Engelsk.
[10:08] <intelikey> !hello world
[10:08] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about hello world - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:08] <nzk> intelikey: STOP PLAYING WITH THE BOT.
[10:10] <intelikey> !botsnack
[10:10] <ubotu> Yum! Err, I mean, APT!
[10:11] <dr_zhivago_29> does anybody know why I can't install libgk+2.0?
[10:11] <dr_zhivago_29> or why amarok depends on it
[10:12] <intelikey> !info libgk+2.0
[10:12] <ubotu> Package libgk+2.0 does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas
[10:12] <intelikey> hmmm bot went to sleep...
[10:12] <dr_zhivago_29> i'm using gutsy and it breaks updates completly
[10:13] <intelikey> !info libgk+2.0 gutsy
[10:13] <test> intelikey:  I mean the real classic
[10:13] <ubotu> Package libgk+2.0 does not exist in gutsy
[10:13] <test> withoout the chrome thing
[10:13] <test> the kde from teh 90's
[10:13] <intelikey> test did you see the ubotu post that followed ?
[10:14] <intelikey> !theme | test
[10:14] <ubotu> test: Find your themes at: http://www.gnome-look.org - http://art.gnome.org - http://www.kde-look.org - http://themes.freshmeat.net/browse/58/ - http://www.guistyles.com - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/ - Also see !changethemes and https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuEyeCandy
[10:14] <test> yes
[10:14] <test> but I can't find how to get the old style
[10:14] <test> the old style you see  in some preview tabs
[10:15] <intelikey> one could go in kcontrol > look and feel    and adjust everything there...  "build a theme that way"  i guess
[10:16] <test> I tried
[10:16] <test> it misses some stuff from the old gui
[10:16] <intelikey> there was a theme for kde1 in there in hoary  did they remove it ?
[10:17] <intelikey> that's only what     two years    why would it change...
[10:17] <intelikey> eeeek.
[10:18] <test> http://cnlart.web.cern.ch/cnlart/237/Pr/kfm.gif
[10:18] <test> like this
[10:18] <intelikey> that just goes to show you.   never get rid of old software,  you may want to revisit it some day.
[10:19] <test> that old theme was pretty
[10:19] <test> the ones after that are mostly hideous
[10:20] <neusonce> guys im trying to usedvd 9 to 5  but it says mkisofs is missing  wh i try ot edit the preferences  then  when i try to convert it say at the end conversion error help
[10:21] <intelikey> test that looks like kde classic to me.  but this is dapper and you probably have feisty
[10:23] <intelikey> neusonce install mkisofs
[10:23] <intelikey> neusonce in da package management tool  find  then install mkisofs cdrecord
[10:23] <neusonce>  how do i install mkisofs ? i looked for it on adept manager
[10:24] <test> yeah I have feisty but are you sure it is in dapper? since I tried kde some year ago and I couldn't find it either
[10:24] <neusonce>  but to no avail
[10:24] <intelikey> that's where it should be
[10:24] <test> intelikey:
[10:24] <intelikey> !find mkisofs
[10:24] <ubotu> Found: mkisofs
[10:24] <runlevelten> Now I have to wash up. Brain the size of a planet, and I still have to wash the coffee cups. Support plz.
[10:24] <intelikey> !info mkisofs
[10:24] <ubotu> mkisofs: Dummy transition package for genisoimage. In component main, is optional. Version 9:1.1.2-1 (feisty), package size 0 kB, installed size 32 kB
[10:25] <neusonce> ???
[10:25] <pag> test, that theme looks like 'redmont'
[10:26] <pag> test, maybe installing kdeartwork and kdeartwork-theme-window  will help?
[10:26] <intelikey> there it is.    it's now a meta package and that looks like they are probably about to break things with that transition.
[10:27] <intelikey> but oh well they'll fix them...
[10:28] <test> no it is not redmond
[10:28] <test> it is kde1 I think
[10:29] <intelikey> pag they do look a lot alike don't they
[10:30] <neusonce>  serioulsy  i f***ing  love you guys,  no where in the real world to people help you with out a reason
[10:30] <pag> test, looks like I have "KDE Classic" too from those packages... maybe it's what you're looking for?
[10:30] <neusonce>  i heart u guys
[10:30] <test> kdeartwork and stuff?
[10:31] <pag> test, yup
[10:31] <test> the kde classic in default install is not the real classic that I mean
[10:31] <intelikey> test oh  i may have just thought of part of what you were describing.   you can turn the affects all off and it helps a lot on the looks
[10:31] <intelikey> neusonce what i do here i do out there  >>>------|>
[10:31] <intelikey> but   welcome.
[10:32] <balint> hiho, i need some help in xorg.conf
[10:32] <test> intelikey: I already tried that
[10:32] <balint> i'm using ati (fglrx) and i would like to connect my pc to TV
[10:32] <pag> test, oh.. then maybe it's differet one..  they all look the same to mee tbh
[10:32] <test> I can't understand why they have to make kde2 look older than kde1
[10:33] <balint> "ForceMonitors" "crt1,tv"
[10:33] <balint> now i have screen on my tv
[10:33] <balint> but i would like to change from NTSC to PAL
[10:33] <balint> how can i do that?
[10:34] <balint> "TvStandard" "PAL-G" is it good?
[10:35] <kraut> moin
[10:35] <intelikey> call just came in, i have to take the shotgun and maglight for a walk,  back in a bit,   maybe!
[10:39] <test> ah it is kalled kfm
[10:40] <test> called
[10:40] <test> on some blog people say it is teh most hideous thing
[10:40] <test> they got no taste
[10:43] <test> quartz comes pretty close too
[10:45] <test> hmm no kfm is the kde file manager
[10:47] <imslow3r> grrrrrr.....
[10:48] <Lynoure> imslow3r: do you need help with something?
[10:48] <imslow3r> now i'm stuck with buggy 2.0.0.4
[10:49] <Lynoure> imslow3r: as opposed to be being stuck with the previous, also buggy, mozilla?
[10:50] <imslow3r> the swiftweasel maintainer is still doing 2.0.0.6 in pre release, so the right package isent there
[10:50] <imslow3r> i could go to 2.0.0.5 ... but why?
[10:51] <imslow3r> cus im a complainer
[10:54] <imslow3r> swiftweasel32-2.0.0.5_nocona-32bit_ubuntu-AMD64.deb i want the 2.0.0.6 veriton of this package :_0
[10:55] <josef_> guys im interested in themes that is made by beryl project how can i install it
[10:55] <test> ok played around with the crystal theme and I have something acceptable now
[10:55] <imslow3r> its freaking cool, its a 64bit firefox with 32 bit dependencys and lybraries
[10:56] <test> I mean played around with window decoration
[10:57] <test> btw does anyone know if I can use the winkey + E
[10:57] <test> to open Konquer
[10:58] <TehLinuxN00B> Hello.
[11:07] <runlevelten> test: if you want. set it in kcontrol as the shortcut
[11:19] <balint> hi! I've connected my pc to TV successfully, but i have problem with videos. I can see only the video on my pc, and on tv there is a black rectagnle isntead of video. How can i fix it?
[11:20] <balint> "DesktopSetup" "clone" -- if i change to "mirror", then it's working, but my pc has a 50Hz or so
[11:20] <balint> I guess i should change TV to primary, and PC to secondary
[11:20] <balint> but how can i do that in xorg.conf?
[11:21] <balint> nobody can help in this problem? :S
[11:31] <imslow3r> what kinda of video card do you have?
[11:32] <imslow3r> people arn't paying attention its like relly early in the mourning :-0
[11:37] <bauer> where do i find a developer version off ubuntu ?
[11:37] <Lynoure> !gutsy
[11:37] <ubotu> Gutsy Gibbon is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (7.10). See https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2007-April/000276.html and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyReleaseSchedule - Roadmap and specifications: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/gutsy - Support in #ubuntu+1
[11:38] <stolf> hi
[11:38] <Lynoure> hmm, I think some of those links might still take you to a download
[11:39] <bauer> is there an image to download anywhere with c++ and everythin installed ?
[11:40] <stolf> so, I was just wondering, is it common to have lots of problems and programs (parts of kde) start crashing after upgrading from edgy to feisty through a dist upgrade?
[11:46] <hangthedj> stolf: just keep dist-upgrade (ing) and when that doesn't work just apt-get upgrade.
[11:46] <hangthedj> thats what i had to do.
[11:46] <hangthedj> every time it fails, dist-upgrade again.
[11:47] <hangthedj> for some reason, the upgrade is never smooth... i just upgraded a feisty ubuntu server to gutsy, and it took most the day.
[11:47] <imslow3r> theres a proper && procedure on the ubuntu website somewhere about upgrades
[11:48] <hangthedj> i think it says, edit your sources.list, then sudo apt-get dist-upgrade, then sudo apt-get upgrade.  which really doesn't ever work.
[11:49] <hangthedj> it will quit with errors, and then you have to reissue the command.
[11:49] <mschiff> does anybody know what displayconfig.py from kde-guidance needs to get available resoltuins correctly?
[11:50] <stolf> the dist upgrade worked with out any errors
[11:51] <stolf> my problem now is things like the kde powermanager segfault
[11:53] <imslow3r> somthing about force disable ACPI support?
[11:54] <imslow3r> in your boot file as an option, thats all i remember.
[11:55] <imslow3r> it relly depends on what kind of computer you have, I'm guessing
[11:55] <imslow3r> maby a fresh install would fix it
[11:57] <stolf> Its a laptop, so doing cpu scaleing and showing the battery usage is very much required
[11:57] <imslow3r> is it an intel or AMD laptop?
[11:57] <stolf> Intel P4
[11:58] <stolf> its about 4 years old
[11:59] <imslow3r> well I have herd, that intel hardware is going to do relly well with the new 2.6.23 kernel
[12:00] <imslow3r> its in pre release stages right now, they sey it adds like up to an hour to your battry life
[12:00] <stolf> Is that due to the new scheduler?
[12:00] <imslow3r> I don't think it matters what type of intel chip you have either
[12:01] <imslow3r> no, it has to do with a new open source intel program that tells you how much power each process is taking up
[12:01] <stolf> ah, yes I have seen that
[12:02] <imslow3r> i wish software development was quicker :-) ;p
[12:02] <stolf> heh, true
[12:03] <MaTiAz> I wish it was easier to do something useful :(
[12:03] <stolf> thats even more true
[12:04] <stolf> I wish that thing took as long as the first estimation. I hate things being more complicated than they seem
[12:04] <MaTiAz> yeah
[12:04] <stolf> btw, do any of you know a lot about NFS?
[12:05] <stolf> I am having some bizarre problems with it
[12:05] <MaTiAz> Hmm, maybe I should check out if I can translate some software :)
[12:06] <runlevelten> can you do french to english? there's a video collection manager in the repos that I *think* is French only.
[12:07] <runlevelten> check it's not just packaging error before you work on it though, heh.
[12:07] <MaTiAz> runlevelten: heh, nope, sorry, konwing only what je t'aime means won't help :)
[12:07] <MaTiAz> I was mainly thinking about English to Finnish :)
[12:07] <runlevelten> tbh, most of it seemed obvious, but I'd not the time to do it
[12:08] <MaTiAz> :)
[12:08] <runlevelten> stolf: what sort of problems?
[12:08] <MaTiAz> he's gone :D
[12:08] <runlevelten> doh
[12:11] <test> why is there no default startmenu item for kcontrol?
[12:12] <imslow3r> why do i touchabag?
[12:15] <phimic> hi all
[12:19] <zmasken> hm, I have a strange little problem, I can't boot the live CD regularly, because that gives me a kernel panic, but if I edit out the quiet boot it starts normally, its the same if I install it, but it won't boot regular, I have to start in recovery mode..?
[12:21] <imslow3r> try the alternate CD?
[12:21] <nicolai_> zmasken: do a memory check?
[12:21] <imslow3r> the alternate CD is for people that the live CD dose not work
[12:21] <zmasken> nicolai_ its done, guess I could try the alternate CD
[12:22] <zmasken> but I can get it to install by removing quiet boot
[12:22] <zmasken> and when it is installed I have to go recovery mode to get it to start
[12:22] <imslow3r> but dose it start?
[12:22] <zmasken> else it just freezes and flashes caps lock/scroll lock
[12:22] <zmasken> the live CD?
[12:22] <imslow3r> i mean after the install?
[12:23] <zmasken> in recovery mode, not regular
[12:23] <arash__> so your Kubuntu isn't insatalled correctly?
[12:23] <zmasken> I can't see why it should'nt be
[12:24] <arash__> you have to go in recovery mode all the time to start a session?
[12:24] <Assid> heya
[12:24] <zmasken> yeah
[12:24] <imslow3r> recovery mode only has the most important services running, i gather everything els is not working?
[12:24] <Assid> err.. would a geforce fx 5200 work well with beryl ? or do you think it would lag?
[12:25] <phimic> is Kubuntu Gutsy ready for productive working?
[12:25] <zmasken> imslow3r: everything else? I can only choose between my XP-boot and kubuntu regular and recovery
[12:25] <zmasken> if I choose recovery I can start with startx
[12:26] <arash__> phimic . from my little experience, You have to have a computer that is somewhat old to get the features working :p... Unless you want to configure a lot before you get things working.
[12:28] <zmasken> it feels like I could get it to but regular if I removed the quiet boot, as that's what I have to do to get the live CD starting, but I remove the quiet boot in GRUB but it still gives a black screen with caps-/scroll lock flashing
[12:29] <zmasken> but = boot
[12:32] <arash__> Hi guys, when i press on the volume-adjust-keys on my keyboards, it says Kmix isn't running, but it does!
[12:35] <nicolai_> arash__: Have you tried killing kmix and opening it again?
[12:35] <arash__> nicolai_ yea :(
[12:35] <phimic> arash__: thank u for answer, are u persian?
[12:36] <phimic> i have a 64bit platform but i read in forums that the x86 version should be better
[12:51] <rami> i hate kde-su. when there are updatres availiable it prompts me for password everytime, same is everytime i open adeot-installation, any way to ignore?
[01:01] <kameron> woohoo! first beta of KDE 4.0 released :-)
[01:01] <pag> kameron, do you have link to the announcement?
[01:02] <kameron> pag, http://kde.org/announcements/announce-4.0-beta1.php
[01:02] <pag> ty :)
[01:03] <kameron> i miss kde. i've been in the xfce world on this old laptop for too long.
[01:03] <MaTiAz> I didn't like XFCE at all
[01:04] <buck> i am back to the godz ..
[01:04] <buck> can i get a bit of assist
[01:04] <buck> please
[01:04] <pag> !ask | buck
[01:04] <ubotu> buck: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[01:04] <kameron> MaTiAz, it's not super, but does a good job on old hardware. i'd prefer to use ICEWM but it's kinda old.
[01:04] <buck> ^5 okay .. thank you .. well i am trying to install a style
[01:04] <buck> domino ..
[01:04] <kameron> http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-beta1.php ..... kubuntu kde 4.0 packages are rolled out.
[01:05] <buck> heres what it reads..
[01:05] <buck> Configure Style
[01:05] <buck>  Domino (THIS THEME DEPENDS ON DOMINO.YOU HAVE TO INSTALL IT FIRST)
[01:05] <buck>  Copy the scheme files(Domino_versionrc) located in the Style/Domino folder to /YOUR_HOME/.qt/ then
[01:05] <buck>     Go to KDE Control Center>Style
[01:05] <buck>     Choose Domino style then click configure next to it to bring up the domino configurator
[01:05] <buck>     Go to load/Save tab (You should be able to see six entries)
[01:05] <buck>      Choose any one of the schemes then press Load Config
[01:06] <mrjono> I was advised to run memtest because I was having reocurring segmentation faults(core dumps), however memtest ran for 24 hours with no errors...does anyoneone have any other suggestions to what might be cause the problem?
[01:06] <pag> buck, http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php/Domino+Kubuntu+package?content=52864
[01:06] <mrjono> causing*
[01:06] <kameron> mrjono, what's the problem exactly?
[01:07] <mrjono> i usually notice it with firefox
[01:07] <mrjono> it just stops working
[01:07] <pag> mrjono, which kubuntu & kernel versions?
[01:07] <mrjono> and if i try to load it in the terminal it gives me a segmentation fault (core dump)
[01:08] <mrjono> i intalled kubuntu over ubuntu feisty fawn
[01:08] <buck> ^4 so i huold be able to double click this and a way she gose
[01:08] <mrjono> installed*
[01:08] <mrjono> it's 7.04?
[01:08] <kameron> mrjono, have you tried updating firefox? there was an update yesterday i think.
[01:08] <pag> buck, pretty much, yeah.
[01:08] <buck> thank you .. you rock
[01:09] <buck> hmm .. didnt install
[01:10] <pag> buck, any error msgs?
[01:10] <mrjono> kameron: it's not just firefox...it also happens to multimedia applications such as vlc, amarok, movie player
[01:10] <buck> i typed kde-style-domino_0.4-1_i386.deb and nothing happened..
[01:10] <kameron> mrjono, what's your hardware setup/
[01:10] <pag> !deb | buck
[01:10] <ubotu> buck: deb is the Debian package format, also used by Ubuntu. To install .deb files, simply double-click on them (Ubuntu) or right-click and select Kubuntu Package Menu->install (Kubuntu)
[01:10] <buck> says command not found..
[01:10] <buck> .. okay . will try that
[01:10] <kameron> buck, dpkg -i xxx.deb
[01:10] <buck> duh .. thats what it is..
[01:10] <MaTiAz> :)
[01:10] <buck> i am very new to this
[01:11] <buck> i did get DOOM 3 installed
[01:11] <buck> very nice
[01:11] <kameron> buck, we're all new at some point.
[01:11] <buck> now i am customizing desktop
[01:11] <buck> i am so impressed with Linux .
[01:11] <MaTiAz> buck: Same here when I started using Kubuntu :)
[01:11] <buck> does anyone know any good MIDI programs
[01:12] <pag> !midi
[01:12] <ubotu> Trouble playing MIDI files? Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MidiSoftwareSynthesisHowTo
[01:12] <buck> that i can connect my keyboard to
[01:12] <mrjono> kameron: Lanparty NF4, AMD 3800 X2, 2 gigs kingston ram, Radeon X850XT, Radeon X700, and 7 random hard drives
[01:12] <kameron> mrjono,  :( makes my hardware look bad. we have the same board though.
[01:12] <pag> buck, rosegarden4 maybe?  I'm not sure though...
[01:12] <MaTiAz> mrjono: Are you sure it's not overheating?
[01:12] <buck> okay .. thats what i found too ..
[01:12] <mrjono> kameron: i also have a raid controller and X-fi that are not currently in use
[01:12] <kameron> mrjono, hmmmm.. i don't know what to tell you. you're on feisty?
[01:13] <buck> but no package installer .. for it .. but that part of learning ... hahhah .. i love it
[01:13] <kameron> mrjono, can you run firefox from terminal and pastebin the dump?
[01:13] <mrjono> kameron: i have a termaltake armour case with liquid colling...my processesor temps are fine
[01:14] <mrjono> it just says "Segmentation Fault (core dump)"
[01:14] <tapsin> selam
[01:14] <kameron> mrjono, ... hmm i'll look into that for you.
[01:14] <mrjono> is there a way to retreive more then that?
[01:15] <mrjono> kameron: cool...it has me stumped...i'll bbl i have to go to work
[01:15] <meglen> hello there
[01:15] <kameron> mrjono, alright i gotta sleep eventually but i'll send you a note later
[01:15] <pag> hi meglen :)
[01:16] <meglen> what program do u suggest to type a picture. So that u don't basically draw but u type. Like this: http://frojnd.net/skull
[01:16] <mrjono> kameron: thanks bud
[01:16] <ryuho-tablet> i have a Tablet PC with 1.1GH CPU, 1GB of ram...  can it handle Kubuntu?
[01:17] <pag> meglen, any texteditor should work..
[01:17] <Linux_Galore> another buy another day on Kubuntu
[01:17] <Linux_Galore> s/buy/bug/
[01:17] <pag> ryuho-tablet, sure, easily :)
[01:17] <Linux_Galore> actually Kubuntu Gutsy
[01:17] <meglen> pag: yes but I mean txt editor.. that's a lot of hand work.. Isn't there any program that converts what I draw into typing picture ?
[01:18] <ryuho-tablet> really now.. that's pretty cool.. I should look into what's the advantage of being kubuntu (i just installed ubuntu)
[01:20] <Linux_Galore> ryuho-tablet: much of a muchness really, I prefer Kubuntu because I dont like the file manager in Gnome and Amarok works really well with my ipod
[01:21] <kameron> mrjono, firefox is a gtk thing if i remember.
[01:21] <aldin> is there some .pdf book for k/ubuntu? (handbook etc)
[01:21] <bastid_raZor> Linux_Galore, install konquerer on Ubuntu.. also amarok on ubuntu
[01:23] <Linux_Galore> bastid_raZor: yeah, but then there are lots of little things that are missing in Gnome, ie all the advanced little window toys
[01:23] <TheRealInsane> Can anybody tell me what file to edit to edit the boot manager?
[01:23] <ryuho-tablet> Oh ya that reminds me
[01:23] <ryuho-tablet> I have 2 copies of the boot options
[01:24] <bastid_raZor> install kubuntu-desktop? i have both ubuntu-desktop and kubuntu-desktop which is needed to run applications from both
[01:24] <ryuho-tablet> I think something went wrong during hibernating.. does anytong know
[01:24] <ryuho-tablet> how to fix my messed up boot options?
[01:24] <TheRealInsane> Maybe you could try seeing if they're really there twice in the boot options config file
[01:25] <ryuho-tablet> how would i take a look at the boot config file?
[01:25] <Linux_Galore> TheRealInsane: /boot//grub/menu.lst
[01:25] <TheRealInsane> Lemme see
[01:27] <Linux_Galore> ryuho-tablet: ?? boot config file
[01:28] <Linux_Galore> ryuho-tablet:  grub->upstart->desktop
[01:28] <ryuho-tablet> wow i see copies
[01:28] <ryuho-tablet> I should probably delete one of them
[01:28] <Linux_Galore> ryuho-tablet: no they may be backups
[01:28] <ryuho-tablet> well there's one for normal boot
[01:28] <ryuho-tablet> then one for recovery
[01:29] <ryuho-tablet> ...and theres a carbon copy of those two right after that
[01:29] <stdin> that's normal
[01:29] <Linux_Galore> thats right
[01:29] <Linux_Galore> ryuho-tablet: normal
[01:29] <pag> ryuho-tablet, are you sure they're not different kernel-versions?
[01:29] <stdin> ryuho-tablet: make sure they are the SAME, look at the versions
[01:29] <ryuho-tablet> i know.. im looking at everything, including boot options
[01:30] <ryuho-tablet> oh wait
[01:31] <kristina> hi, how can I watch .mht crap saved with ie7?
[01:31] <ryuho-tablet> lol you are right, initrd.img-2.6.20-15-generic
[01:31] <ryuho-tablet> one is 15 and one is 16
[01:31] <stdin> kristina: if you want help with IE ask in ##windows
[01:31] <pag> kristina, "kmhtconvert - mht to war file converter"
[01:32] <ryuho-tablet> so if kernel versions are different.. i should keep both just in case?
[01:32] <pag> ryuho-tablet, yup.
[01:32] <pag> ryuho-tablet, it's always good to have at least one older version just in case
[01:33] <kameron> ryuho-tablet, ALWAYS. things go down hill at times.
[01:34] <TABASCO> I have a problem with the Konqueror, I installed the WLAN driver of the Fritz!USB WLAN Stick today, and with the wireless connection Konqueror is not able to open HTTP pages. FTP workes fine and Firefox can open HTTP. I'm nearly sure, that it has anything to do with the proxy, but I have no idea what. Anyone an idea?
[01:34] <ryuho-tablet> wow my external keyboared just decided to not work
[01:34] <pag> TABASCO, might be the problem with the knetworkmanager... try disabling it
[01:35] <ryuho-tablet> onboard key sucks
[01:35] <TABASCO> pag: Just close or remove?
[01:35] <stdin> TABASCO: the KDE proxy settings are accessed in System Settings > Network Settings > Proxy
[01:35] <ryuho-tablet> onscreen**
[01:35] <pag> TABASCO, or if you use proxy you should configure it in kde too..
[01:35] <TABASCO> stdin: I know where to configure, but I have no idea how.
[01:36] <TABASCO> YOU ARE RIGHT!
[01:36] <TABASCO> Damn
[01:36] <TABASCO> I'm so stupid
[01:36] <TABASCO> It was the Knetworkmanager!
[01:36] <TABASCO> arrggh...
[01:37] <kristina> pag: that worked, thank you very much
[01:37] <Linux_Galore> kristina: mht isnt a media file its just an all in one html archive file , just rename the file filename.eml and open it with firefox
[01:37] <pag> kristina, np :)
[01:37] <ryuho-tablet> does anyone know how to fix a wacom problem?
[01:39] <ryuho-tablet>  My right click (with pen) is registering on the computer as a middle click... how would i change that
[01:39] <Linux_Galore> ryuho-tablet: not to sound padentic , google.com/linux
[01:39] <TABASCO> Thank you, and bye
[01:40] <malik__> i heard that compiz will be installed by default in kubuntu 7.10..................is it true?
[01:40] <Linux_Galore> malik__: nope
[01:40] <stdin> ryuho-tablet: I don't use wacom, so I don't know. but take a look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WacomTroubleshooting and https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Wacom
[01:40] <Linux_Galore> malik__: should be easy to activate though
[01:41] <ryuho-tablet> thanks :)
[01:41] <malik__> Linux_Galore: thats a bummer, that mean we still will need to tweak alot get it to work;(
[01:42] <malik__> Linux_Galore: i tried installing on 7.04 and all the windows boredr disappeared
[01:42] <Linux_Galore> malik__: well there are two issues, 1. most people dont have the hardware grunt anyway 2. compiz-fussion only just recenlty meged
[01:42] <Linux_Galore> marged*
[01:42] <Linux_Galore> merged*
[01:42] <Linux_Galore> grr
[01:43] <malik__> Linux_Galore: thats fair enuf i guess, one has to have hardware ......... which video card would you recommend?
[01:43] <Linux_Galore> malik__: I actually got it working, super unstable for me
[01:44] <Linux_Galore> malik__:  new Intel stuff should work or nvidia gf 6200 or better
[01:46] <Linux_Galore> some people have gpt ati cards working but I always seem to get issues
[01:46] <Linux_Galore> got*
[01:47] <stdin> ATI make horrible drivers for Linux, it's just a fact you have to deal with (and bug them about)
[01:48] <Linux_Galore> stdin: Im thinking compiz-fussion and kde 4.1  will be about the right time
[01:48] <stdin> Linux_Galore: you'll have to wait a while for kde 4.x in kubuntu yet (as default anyway)
[01:49] <ryuho-tablet> in xorg.conf, is there a specific line of code i can change to switch middle and right mouse button?
[01:49] <Linux_Galore> stdin: I noticed kde4 stuff leaking into my install
[01:49] <Linux_Galore> stdin: on Gutsy
[01:49] <buck> that workd thanks agian guys,,
[01:49] <buck> sorry i didnt than you earlier ..
[01:49] <amay> .
[01:49] <stdin> Linux_Galore: yeah, but that's the alpha 2 packages
[01:49] <buck> thank
[01:50] <buck> just was setting up desktop
[01:50] <Dragnslcr> KDE4 beta should be available by the time 7.10 is released
[01:50] <Linux_Galore> stdin: the new login screen in Gutsy is a bit too gay for me
[01:50] <pag> Dragnslcr, first beta got released today ;)
[01:50] <stdin> still, there will be no KDE 4 desktop by default until at least 9.04
[01:50] <Dragnslcr> The version installed by default will still be KDE3 for a while
[01:50] <amay> omg wo bin ich hier gelandet :D
[01:50] <Dragnslcr> pag- really? sweet
[01:50] <Linux_Galore> stdin: ?? you mean 8.04
[01:51] <Dragnslcr> I want to check it out
[01:51] <TheRealInsane> What's the german kubuntu channel?
[01:51] <pag> Dragnslcr, I've heard gutsy will have rc1 as installation option
[01:51] <Linux_Galore> oops sorry 8.10
[01:51] <pag> !de | TheRealInsane
[01:51] <ubotu> TheRealInsane: Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[01:51] <stdin> Linux_Galore: umm, 8.10 actually
[01:51] <Dragnslcr> Linux_Galore- I think that 8.04 is an LTS version, so they're sticking with KDE3
[01:51] <TheRealInsane> amay: Les dir das durch
[01:51] <Dragnslcr> Or so I've heard mentioned
[01:51] <Dragnslcr> (I know 8.04 is LTS)
[01:51] <amay> danke
[01:52] <Linux_Galore> shame because by 8.04 kde stable 4.1 will be out
[01:52] <Dragnslcr> pag- nice. I didn't know if there would be an RC in time or not. Not sure exactly what KDE4's schedule looks like right now
[01:52] <stdin> Linux_Galore: I'm sure there will be packages on kubuntu.org for us
[01:53] <pag> Dragnslcr, http://techbase.kde.org/Schedules/KDE4/4.0_Release_Schedule :)
[01:53] <Dragnslcr> pag- quick question, since you seem to know about it. If I install KDE4 (alpha2 or beta), and something goes wrong, will I be able to uninstall it and have KDE3 still work?
[01:53] <stdin> Dragnslcr: it's installed along side kde3x
[01:54] <pag> Dragnslcr, probably... it doesn't touch kde3-stuff at all
[01:54] <fdoving> Dragnslcr: yes. you can select at login-time, which version you want.
[01:54] <Dragnslcr> Nice
[01:54] <Dragnslcr> I'll probably check it out when beta1 hits the repository
[01:54] <Linux_Galore> yeah, when you login you can select the kde4 desktop, I would use another user account though
[01:55] <pag> Dragnslcr, http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-beta1.php ;)
[01:55] <stdin> you *can* use the same account, KDE4 settings are separated from KDE3x
[01:55] <Dragnslcr> Yeah, I saw someone else mention that. I'll have to remember to clone my home directory
[01:56] <stdin> Dragnslcr: you don't have to
[01:56] <Linux_Galore> stdin: I know but I dont want to trash my admin home directory
[01:56] <Dragnslcr> pag- bah, I just looked at kubuntu.org, and it isn't on the front page
[01:56] <Dragnslcr> stdin- yeah, but extra backups never hurt
[01:57] <Linux_Galore> anway Im going to read the news, Ive been so busy all day I havent seen anything yet
[02:14] <minus> I was wondering if anyone knew the secret to getting the dell 6400/e1505 media buttons to work in k
[02:16] <Minataku> minus: Voodoo
[02:16] <Minataku> j/k
[02:16] <Minataku> I'm not sure
[02:16] <Minataku> I'd ask ubotu but I don't know what to ask
[02:16] <TheRealInsane> !imwheel
[02:16] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about imwheel - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:16] <minus> !dell
[02:16] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about dell - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:16] <Minataku> !media
[02:16] <ubotu> Audio (Ogg, MP3...) players: Audacious, Banshee, Beep Media Player, Quod Libet, Rhythmbox, XMMS (GTK/Gnome based) and Amarok, JuK (Qt/KDE based).  Video players: Totem, Xine, MPlayer, VLC, Kaffeine  -  See also !codecs
[02:16] <Minataku> Hm
[02:16] <Minataku> !keyboard
[02:16] <ubotu> To find out how to switch your keyboard layout, See https://help.ubuntu.com/6.10/xubuntu/desktopguide/C/switch-keyboard-layout.html - See also !Shortcuts
[02:17] <TheRealInsane> Hmm. I found this internet site once where it explained how to use buttons 4,5,6,7 on the mouse
[02:17] <TheRealInsane> But I can't find it anymore..
[02:17] <Minataku> That's easy
[02:17] <TheRealInsane> It was some sort of !something search
[02:17] <Dragnslcr> !info imwheel
[02:17] <TheRealInsane> !search imwheel
[02:17] <ubotu> imwheel: program to support non-standard buttons on new mice. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.0.0pre12-7 (feisty), package size 79 kB, installed size 268 kB
[02:17] <ubotu> Found:
[02:18] <TheRealInsane> !find imwheel
[02:18] <ubotu> Found: imwheel
[02:18] <Minataku> He wants media buttons
[02:18] <Minataku> Like on a keyboard
[02:18] <minus> well
[02:19] <minus> on the front of the laptop i found the changes to make to xorg.conf
[02:19] <minus> but now cant find them
[02:19] <minus> I literally gedited it
[02:19] <TheRealInsane> I installed imwheel, started it, but now what?
[02:19] <minus> pasted and it worked
[02:19] <TheRealInsane> I can't seem to access it's settings
[02:20] <Dragnslcr> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ManyButtonsMouseHowto
[02:20] <TheRealInsane> That was the link I was searching for, thanks
[02:38] <luca__> hi all
[02:43] <familiaok> hi guys =)
[02:44] <familiaok> i got a problem
[02:44] <pag> !ask | familiaok
[02:44] <ubotu> familiaok: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[02:44] <familiaok> i've installed kubuntu 64
[02:44] <familiaok> and i need to install the macromedia flash for firefox
[02:45] <pag> !flash64 | familiaok
[02:45] <ubotu> familiaok: You can run Flash, Real, and Java plugins in AMD64 bit computers with Firefox. see the steps to follow at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FirefoxAMD64FlashJava
[02:45] <familiaok> hum =)
[02:45] <familiaok> tks
[02:45] <familiaok> i'm gonna see
[02:46] <familiaok> and the rmvb... how do i install it?
[02:46] <pag> rmvb?
[02:47] <familiaok> real media codecs
[02:47] <TheRealInsane> !rmvb64
[02:47] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about rmvb64 - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:48] <familiaok> shit
[02:48] <su-hoens`rZ> so i bought a mobo that said it had raid, but it has ata raid, not sata raid. So now i have 4 500gb hds with no raid... anyone have any suggestions for how to format the partition table?
[02:49] <pag> familiaok, looks like there are instructions for real player on that flash-site too
[02:49] <pag> familiaok, and please watch your language here.
[02:49] <familiaok> ok
[02:49] <familiaok> i'm sorry
[02:58] <buck> anyone kno how to instal the crystal windeco
[02:58] <pag> buck, it's installed by default iirc
[02:58] <buck> or the deb package location
[02:58] <buck> cool cool ..
[02:58] <buck> where is Kcontrol window at
[02:59] <buck> or module
[02:59] <pag> buck, alt+f2 and type: kcontrol
[03:00] <pag> if crystal isn't installed, then install it, package is kwin-style-crystal  (but as I said, I have a feeling it's there already)
[03:00] <buck> again .. thank you so much ..
[03:00] <buck> if i havent thanked you already
[03:00] <buck> how do i know if its here
[03:01] <pag> buck, kcontrol -> appearance -> window decorations -> crystal
[03:01] <whyhankee> buck: in konsole type: sudo apt-get install kwin-style-crystal
[03:01] <whyhankee> it will install it or tell you it's already installed
[03:02] <buck> yep .. i am set on it
[03:02] <buck> right on pag .. you the man
[03:02] <pag> heh :) thanks
[03:02] <su-hoens`rZ> is there a softraid option anywhere in the install process?
[03:03] <pag> su-hoens`rZ, not in desktop-install afaik... maybe in alternate-cd?
[03:03] <su-hoens`rZ> ugh
[03:03] <su-hoens`rZ> ok
[03:03] <su-hoens`rZ> thanks :>
[03:03] <pag> su-hoens`rZ, I'm not sure... so don't thank me before you got it all working ;)
[03:06] <boris_> hey people
[03:06] <boris_> i installed a theme in kde
[03:06] <boris_> but
[03:07] <boris_> taskbar and kmenu and such arent affected by it
[03:08] <BluesKaj> Hiyas All :)
[03:08] <pag> boris_, could you be more specific.. what do you mean by 'theme' style or a colourscheme?
[03:08] <pag> hey BluesKaj :)
[03:09] <boris_> colourscheme
[03:09] <BluesKaj> hey pag :)
[03:09] <boris_> pag : it's a colourcheme
[03:09] <pag> boris_, hmm.. try restarting kicker maybe? ( dcop kicker default restart )
[03:09] <boris_> aha ok
[03:10] <boris_> but for info
[03:10] <afd_> what's the name of ubuntu's restricted drivers manager? how do I call it (from command line)?
[03:10] <boris_> applications and desktop icons are black
[03:10] <pag> afd_, restricted-manager iirc
[03:10] <boris_> pag its still not working
[03:11] <afd_> pag: ah, didn't have it installed, that's why I couldn't find it. Thanks!
[03:11] <pag> boris_, hmm.. post a screenshot of the issue somewhere
[03:11] <boris_> where
[03:12] <pag> boris_, ie. http://imageshack.us
[03:12] <familiaok> i got another question... is there any way of execute programs than needs of sudo's passwod?
[03:12] <boris_> ok
[03:12] <familiaok> i want no password if it's possible
[03:12] <miles> why
[03:12] <pag> familiaok, it's possible, but *highly* not reccomended
[03:13] <wers> at this point in time, is Gutsy more stable than Debian Unstable?
[03:13] <miles> debian sid is mad crazy unstable
[03:13] <miles> u kno?
[03:13] <BluesKaj> wers, not the place to ask
[03:13] <buck> has anyone heard of a virtual world called THERE
[03:14] <familiaok> pag: ok ;\
[03:14] <BluesKaj> al you'll get is opinions , not a consensus :(
[03:14] <familiaok> how can i execute programs in boot time?
[03:15] <pag> familiaok, trust me; in the end it's far easier to type password couple times a day, than dealing with issues that can be caused when disabling passwd
[03:15] <BluesKaj> buck , google it
[03:15] <pag> familiaok, at the boot or at login?
[03:16] <BluesKaj> familiaok, you'll get used to it
[03:16] <familiaok> pag, boot
[03:16] <familiaok> because here i need by "ifconfig eth0 0.0.0.0"
[03:16] <familiaok> to connect my adsl
[03:17] <familiaok> and pppd executes in boot time
[03:17] <familiaok> i just need to execute ifconfig before "pon dsl-provider"
[03:17] <BluesKaj> if you want the autologin , if something foes wrong with X you won't get back in due to the fact that you're locked out by the autologin ...it happened tome and it's not easy getting back
[03:18] <boris_> pag : http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/3379/screenshotfr3.th.png
[03:18] <boris_> hope its ok
[03:18] <pag> boris_, post the link to the picture, not the thumbnail
[03:19] <boris_> omg
[03:20] <boris_> pag : http://img214.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screenshotfr3.png
[03:20] <su-hoens`rZ> sigh
[03:20] <boris_> excuse me, im doing this first time
[03:20] <pag> boris_, but judging from that your problem is kicker's background rightclick on kicker -> configure panel -> appearance
[03:23] <pag> genii, doesn't sound safe :)  I'd understand allowing only certain apps to be run without a password, but allowing *all* :O
[03:23] <boris_> how do i make it to match my colorscheme ?
[03:23] <boris_> colorize to match desktop colorscheme
[03:23] <boris_> reght
[03:23] <boris_> right*
[03:23] <boris_> but it doesnt
[03:23] <pag> boris_, you can try that.. or just aplly a differet (darker) background
[03:24] <boris_> that doedtn work
[03:24] <boris_> do i have to restart kde maybe ?
[03:24] <boris_> wait a sec please
[03:24] <msingh> hi .. i think my laptop's display resolution isnt quite right. it seems blurry. any tips on getting it right?
[03:24] <Chousuke> msingh: do you have an intel graphics chip?
[03:25] <msingh> Chousuke, yes i do
[03:25] <Chousuke> msingh: there is a resolution tool for intel in the repos
[03:25] <Chousuke> msingh: can't remember the game though
[03:25] <genii> pag: You can also use the Cmnd_Alias = <exact command here>   for specified users no passwd
[03:25] <boris_> it wont work !!!
[03:25] <Chousuke> name*
[03:25] <savetheWorld> msingh: try to find out what the native resolution of the lcd is.  You're trying to use finer resolution than its dots are naturally sized for. (or you have lousy fonts)
[03:25] <pag> boris_, apply that background: http://img295.imageshack.us/img295/1356/blackqh8.png
[03:25] <msingh> savetheWorld, ubuntu has it at 1200x800 ... im not sure what the native res is
[03:26] <pag> boris_, for the kicker I mean.
[03:26] <Chousuke> msingh: it should be listed in whatever manual you have
[03:26] <savetheWorld> msingh: 1200x800?  thats not typical hardware resolutiuon
[03:26] <familiaok> is there any graphic tool that connect on internet (by adsl) ?
[03:26] <Chousuke> msingh: you could also test different resolutions
[03:26] <familiaok> qt is preference
[03:26] <savetheWorld> msingh: in fact thats not a typical resolution at all
[03:26] <buck> KDE 4.0 is out .. yes
[03:26] <msingh> savetheWorld, the screen is a 14.1" WXGA CyrstalBrrite LCD
[03:26] <runlevelten> 1280x960 perhaps?
[03:27] <ubuntu> hey all
[03:27] <boris_> thank u very much, pag
[03:27] <pag> buck, umm... no it's not. 1st beta is..
[03:27] <savetheWorld> runlevelten: yeah thats more normal
[03:27] <bionic> hey
[03:27] <buck> ahhh.. cool ..
[03:27] <bionic> remember me
[03:27] <bionic> noob
[03:27] <bionic> im the noob
[03:27] <buck> so wait for it to become stable ..
[03:27] <bionic> new to linux
[03:27] <bionic> guess what
[03:27] <savetheWorld> butr I dont know what WXGA typically supports yet. too new.
[03:27] <bionic> i just got steam working with fonts
[03:27] <bionic> FUCK OATh
[03:27] <buck> Steam works in linux.. oh yeah
[03:28] <runlevelten> !language
[03:28] <bionic> woops sorry for the langauge
[03:28] <ubotu> Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[03:28] <bionic> :(
[03:28] <bionic> just so excited
[03:28] <bionic> :)
[03:28] <runlevelten> steam is fine in Linux.
[03:28] <TheRealInsane> bionic: You'll never be as noob as me
[03:28] <buck> ... oh yeah
[03:28] <Galleon> hi all people :)
[03:28] <TheRealInsane> Iam2noob4u
[03:28] <msingh> runlevelten, should i modify the X configuration file?
[03:29] <runlevelten> msingh: I've just joined - what's the issue?
[03:30] <msingh> runlevelten, basically i've got a blurry display and i suspect it is because my screen hasn't been configured correctly
[03:30] <miles> msingh wants to run steam on linux
[03:31] <runlevelten> well first things first, can you use krandrtray to adjust it to a res that's less uncomfortable for you to work with?
[03:31] <runlevelten> Blurry screens hurt eyes.
[03:32] <msingh> i have three options: 1024x768, 800x600 and 640x480
[03:32] <bionic> im the best linux hacker
[03:32] <runlevelten> right, whack it on 1024x768, and presumably the ick should stop for now.
[03:32] <bionic> i got steam to work
[03:32] <bionic> fuck yeah
[03:32] <bionic> sorry
[03:32] <bionic> i mean yeah !
[03:32] <runlevelten> !language | bionic
[03:32] <ubotu> bionic: Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[03:32] <msingh> ok, let me try that.
[03:32] <familiaok> hey
[03:33] <bionic> do i neeed to set my gfx drivers
[03:33] <bionic> ive already went to system display
[03:33] <familiaok> answer me, please
[03:33] <bionic> and put nviida in
[03:33] <bionic> is that all i need to do
[03:33] <CarinArr> hey.. i have a smbfs mounted to my laptop. the router just had an episode and i lost my connection, am now connected back but i can't unmount/remount the samba share on the server, says "device busy". any one know how to fix it?
[03:34] <msingh> runlevel, ok, i think the problem is that it was using 1024x768 and not 1200x800
[03:34] <msingh> it's a wide screen thingy
[03:36] <savetheWorld> msingh: so it was already at 1024x768?
[03:36] <savetheWorld> and thats what looked fuzzy?
[03:37] <msingh> savetheWorld, nod
[03:37] <msingh> but i cannot select 1200x800 from the utility
[03:38] <genii> who was asking about how to exclude packages from update?
[03:38] <savetheWorld> msingh: so the 1200x800 is the native lcd resolution?
[03:38] <genii> Anyhow something about it here: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/synaptic/+bug/42178
[03:38] <msingh> savetheWorld, that's what i suspect, yeah
[03:38] <savetheWorld> hmm.
[03:38] <msingh> xorg.conf has it set at that too
[03:39] <msingh> sorry, 1280x800 not 1200x800
[03:40] <msingh> is there a way to query X for what the current resolution is?
[03:40] <savetheWorld> msingh: i believe so but I cant remember what it is. :-(
[03:41] <msingh> ive checked /var/log/xorg.0.log and it was set to that
[03:41] <msingh> but......
[03:41] <msingh> the virtual size is 1024x768
[03:41] <msingh> so that must be the problem..
[03:47] <yotux> How can I change the resolution for the ussplash screen?
[03:49] <msingh> whats the best way to install intel drivers?
[03:50] <yotux> msingh:  are they in the repos?
[03:50] <msingh> yotux, not sure
[03:51] <yotux> msingh:  The frist thing that I would do is check the repo.
[03:51] <yotux> msingh:  I am assuming these are graphics drivers?
[03:51] <bionic> why has counter strike source stopped updating on 47 percent
[03:51] <msingh> yotux, yes. sorry. intel gma 950
[03:54] <yotux> msingh:  forum link: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=302374
[03:56] <msingh> yotux, i think it worked!
[03:57] <msingh> thanks guys. installing the driver did the trick :)
[03:59] <msingh> it's my sisters laptop.. she got it a few months ago. it was running vista and was so intolerably slow.. i tried installing XP but couldnt get XP drivers. And ubuntu just worked.. (except for the display) -- but that was easy to solve :D
[04:00] <harmental> hey guys..have you tried upgrading to kde 3.5.7?
[04:02] <sudeep> any way to add "Computer" icon on desktop .. like on ubuntu
[04:02] <BluesKaj> yup, harmental check  http://www.kde.org
[04:03] <harmental> BluesKaj: wow! 87 upgradeable packages....i have to try that....
[04:04] <harmental> here i goooo
[04:04] <Ryuho-tablet> lawl
[04:04] <Ryuho-tablet> what's the advantage of not using gentoo'
[04:04] <sudeep> any way to add "Computer" icon on desktop .. like on ubuntu
[04:11] <BluesKaj> kde4 beta release today , yet it's called 3.92
[04:12] <Soulwarp> :o
[04:16] <rjb> argh, the error message in my kernel log says i should try option irqpoll
[04:16] <rjb> but when i try that option the kernel won't even boot:(
[04:17] <llutz> rjb: that's why it says "try" not "use" ;)
[04:18] <rjb> ok, except that without it my ethernet card doesn't work
[04:18] <rjb> the driver seems to be bugging out
[04:19] <Carnage\> llutz: Very nice sarcastical answer! :)
[04:19] <Carnage\> s/al//
[04:19] <rjb> that's what the error message i mentioned is about
[04:20] <llutz> scnr
[04:20] <rjb> bottom line: no combination of options makes my eth0 work :(
[04:20] <rjb> (and that really sucks needless to say)
[04:21] <demarcsek> hi all
[04:21] <bbeck> Hello, I noticed that KDE4 Beta 1 was just released to Kubuntu backports, and I was wondering if I install it, do I just get another desktop option in KDM, or do I have to do something special to use it?
[04:22] <demarcsek> i need some help...i use a Lenovo 3000 N100 laptop, but i could not find Linux driver for the integrated camera...
 what's the advantage of not using gentoo' <--- you don't lose many many hours out of your life compiling your entire system.
[04:22] <demarcsek> i've searched it on the Lenovo's official site, but i could not find:(
[04:22] <nicolai_> rjb: what wireless card are you using?
[04:22] <Ryuho-tablet> hm
[04:22] <demarcsek> can anybody help me?
[04:22] <Ryuho-tablet> would i be able to ""upgrade"" from normal ubuntu to xubuntu
[04:23] <rjb> nicolai_: i do not have a problem with my wifi, it's working
[04:23] <Ryuho-tablet> i mean kubuntu
[04:23] <rjb> it's the wired eth that's broken
[04:23] <Daisuke_Ido> it's not upgrading, just installing the extra packages
[04:23] <Daisuke_Ido> aptitude install kubuntu-desktop
[04:23] <rjb> btw isn't it funny, to have working wifi but broken wired ethernet
[04:24] <Insane`KDE> Oh lord. I NEED to play WoW!!! Aaaaah Attack of Linux!!
[04:24] <rjb> the card is:
[04:24] <nicolai_> rjb: quite ironic, yes
[04:24] <rjb> 00:04.0 Ethernet controller: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS]  SiS900 PCI Fast Ethernet (rev 91)
[04:24] <rjb> according to lspci
[04:24] <rjb> needless to say, it worked w/o a glitch in edgy
[04:24] <Insane`KDE> Somebody help me. I can't get enough of Linux and it's uber-1337 awesomeness but I also can't live without Windows and it's Windows-only stuff
[04:25] <nicolai_> !ask | Insane`KDE
[04:26] <Dr_willis> :)
[04:26] <miles> pwn
[04:26] <Dr_willis> :)
[04:27] <miles> haha
[04:27] <Dr_willis> I do have a LordOFtheRings Account. Aint played in a month+ however.
[04:28] <Dr_willis> but my brother is playing on my account.
[04:28] <micman> !lamp
[04:29] <rajkumarv> hi
[04:29] <buck> me again
[04:29] <buck> call me stupid
[04:30] <Soulwarp> i used to play anarchy online a while back
[04:30] <buck> but whats going on with MIDI
[04:30] <buck> why cant i get midi playback
[04:30] <Roey> hi all
[04:30] <buck> how does one get the MIDI working?
[04:31] <Dr_willis> you could use some midi-emulaoitr that would convert the midi to wav
[04:31] <Dr_willis> I cant recall ever playing midi files under linux.
[04:31] <Dr_willis> !midi
[04:31] <buck> .. well .. its more than that .. i have a  e49 keyboard...
[04:32] <rjb> Dr_willis: timidity is the word
[04:32] <buck> and rosegarden
[04:32] <micman> tell me how to connect web page and mysql
[04:32] <rjb> aptitude show timidity
[04:32] <Dr_willis> i would say  time to do some research on google. and the forums, and the linux music/audio web sites then.
[04:32] <buck> yeah.. but i want hardware midi not software . i am
[04:32] <buck> i am studying deep..
[04:32] <miles> speaking backwards u r
[04:33] <Dr_willis> what sound card do ya have?
[04:33] <buck> if i can get this working .. no more windows for me
[04:33] <buck> i have built in ..
[04:33] <Dr_willis> laptop?
[04:33] <dieff> !de
[04:33] <buck> no .. nvidia chipset
[04:33] <Dr_willis> Might be worth while to go buy a pci sound card. in fact that MIGHT be needed to get it working right.
[04:34] <Dr_willis> but ive no personal experience with the nvidia sound card/sets or midi sutff.
[04:34] <Dr_willis> Just what i 'hear' in here.
[04:34] <buck> yeah .. will make a trip to fry's perhaps..
[04:34] <buck> see what the forums say ..
[04:34] <Dr_willis> Dont get a Creatiuve XiFi
[04:34] <Dr_willis> they are lacking in linux support at this time
[04:35] <buck> .. no ... i am not wealthy . i will see what the cheapest card is
[04:35] <buck> that linux supports
[04:35] <Dr_willis> cheapest might not work. ;)
[04:35] <Dr_willis> I got an Audigy2zs that i like.
[04:35] <buck> cool.. maybe i can get a low price live
[04:35] <elite101> ahh im having problems with my sound
[04:35] <Dr_willis> I dont recall any issues with the wifes cheaper SBlive24 either.
[04:35] <Dr_willis> It was a  $25 card.
[04:35] <buck> yeah ..
[04:36] <Dr_willis> but ive not tried the midiport/stuff on any of them
[04:36] <buck> well midi is usb
[04:36] <buck> i have a usb keyboard
[04:36] <elite101> my card wont work in my computer i switched from a mobo with on board sound to one that doesnt got an old creative ISA slot card and it still shows the X on kmix
[04:36] <Daisuke_Ido> finally broke down and ordered a smaller laptop than i had originally invisioned, just because it works with ubuntu :D
[04:36] <buck> i was surprised to see that linux picked it up
[04:36] <Daisuke_Ido> envisioned*
[04:36] <buck> i was happy
[04:37] <buck> like i said i will trash windows if i can get this working ..
[04:37] <buck> one less system without windows.. woot
[04:37] <elite101> lol i did the same
[04:37] <elite101> trash windows but rele it trashed me all my files once it crashed
[04:37] <Dr_willis> midi is usb?  my sound cards have that old style gamecontroler/midi conectors. :)
[04:37] <Daisuke_Ido> i felt i should support dell in their open-source pc campaign :)
[04:38] <Daisuke_Ido> *real* midi is 15-pin :)
[04:38] <elite101> yeah i have midi
[04:38] <Dr_willis> Daisuke_Ido,  they expanded their  laptop-linux lineup last week dident they?
[04:38] <buck> real midi is 5 pin\
[04:38] <Daisuke_Ido> they contracted it
[04:38] <elite101> yeah i have the *real* one with 15
[04:38] <Daisuke_Ido> they did have the 1420N and the 1505N
[04:38] <elite101> my card is a 1997 Creative
[04:38] <buck> thats the Joystick Port
[04:38] <elite101> lol
[04:38] <Daisuke_Ido> when i went to order last night, there was no 1505N
[04:39] <buck> but i have a usb cable
[04:39] <Daisuke_Ido> buck: it's also the midi port
[04:39] <buck> that connects to my keyboard
[04:39] <buck> yeah .. but midi is only 5 of those pins
[04:39] <elite101> lol anyone of u see a serial-port mouse?
[04:39] <Daisuke_Ido> elite101: i have several
[04:40] <Dr_willis> Daisuke_Ido,  bummer.. but hmm.. i read just last week they were expanding the lineup. Perhaps it will take a few weeks to get it all fixed up..
[04:40] <elite101> serial port mouse is so old it doesnt even get supported in kubuntu 6.06.1
[04:40] <elite101> i tried it even a micrsoft one doesnt wok
[04:40] <elite101> work*
[04:40] <buck> http://linuxrockstar.blogspot.com/
[04:40] <elite101> but i have usb/laser logitech
[04:40] <Daisuke_Ido> Dr_willis: i'm thinking that since it was up a couple days ago, they may just be out of stock?  (wishful thinking probably)
[04:40] <Daisuke_Ido> okay, naptime.  i was up too late last night and too early this morning
[04:41] <Dr_willis> Daisuke_Ido,  i want a linux laptop in thoise fancy new colors!
[04:41] <Dr_willis> :) Hot Pink!
[04:41] <elite101> lol ferrari red
[04:41] <elite101> accer
[04:42] <Dr_willis> I figure if i got a Pink Laptop - no one would dare steal it! :)
[04:42] <elite101> man i wouldnt mind having a kit car of a Lamborghini Countach i love thoes cars the look of them
[04:42] <elite101> yeah
[04:42] <elite101> lol
[04:43] <buck> i guess i need to install soft synth . will try that ..
[04:44] <oloto> could somebody test with me gizmo
[04:44] <oloto> want to see how the quality is
[04:44] <elite101> what is AFAIK?
[04:44] <elite101> i see ppl say it alot but what does it mean?
[04:45] <Dr_willis> AFAIK - it means As Far As I Know.
[04:45] <Dr_willis> :)
[04:45] <elite101> k
[04:45] <elite101> and what about IMHO?
[04:45] <elite101> IMO?
[04:45] <Dr_willis> Theres a tool/program that has a lot of thoise anacronism init.
[04:45] <MaTiAz> elite101: In My (Humble) Opinion
[04:46] <elite101> k
[04:46] <elite101> well im going to try to install windows mesenger 7.5 using wine :P
[04:47] <Dr_willis> theres a lot of other IM clients out ya know. :)
[04:47] <elite101> yeah i know but they dont support msn games
[04:47] <elite101> whats the command so that adept isnt in read-only mode?
[04:47] <Dr_willis> oh the humanity of it all.....
[04:47] <Dr_willis> 'games' FAH!
[04:47] <Dr_willis> Bah! Humbug even.
[04:48] <Dr_willis> what next.. you will want 'chatting' in your MMORPGS? :)
[04:48] <elite101> lol not sure what that means?
[04:48] <elite101> lol i like the look of msn better i know there is IM clients but i only have 1.5gb left of space
[04:48] <Dr_willis> I doubt if the games will work  , doubt if MSmessenger will work with wine either.
[04:48] <buck> damn time to install everquest2
[04:48] <elite101> im using a 4.3gb harddrive my maxtor 60gb go fried by a magnet
[04:48] <Dr_willis> 'only 1.5 gb' :)
[04:49] <Dr_willis> !im
[04:49] <Dr_willis> is the bot awake? poor bot.
[04:49] <buck> .. no your maxtor is a POS ...
[04:49] <buck> and you should stick with better drives than that
[04:49] <elite101> and this harddrive is soo slow i mean like 2300rpm slow
[04:49] <buck> i am glad seagate bought em
[04:49] <Dr_willis> 33 1/3 Rpm! :)
[04:49] <buck> just hope they show maxtor how to build drives
[04:50] <elite101> lol i was going to pick up a 120gb or something or wait a 250gb @ staples for only 120$ WD
[04:50] <Insane`KDE> Only 1.5 gb left?
[04:50] <elite101> yeah
[04:50] <buck> maybe get rid of the plant altogether
[04:50] <Insane`KDE> Lol
[04:50] <Dr_willis> They got 500GB hd's on sale for $99 now a days
[04:50] <MaTiAz> yea
[04:50] <elite101> cool
[04:50] <Insane`KDE> My friend has a total of 5 tB in 2-3 HDDs
[04:50] <Dr_willis> 250gb for $120 is a bit outragous
[04:50] <buck> Hitachi oh yeah
[04:50] <Insane`KDE> Well, I got a 320 GB for around 100 
[04:50] <Dr_willis> even laptop hd;s are in the $1 a GB range
[04:50] <Soulwarp> why would anyone want that much space
[04:51] <elite101> by why would i need 500gb of space? porn/torrents/movies/music? i think i can only fit like 200gb at the most with stuff like that :P
[04:51] <MaTiAz> Soulwarp: Some people are "collectors"
[04:51] <Dr_willis> Soulwarp,  MythTV for one.
[04:51] <Insane`KDE> Downloads.....
[04:51] <Dr_willis> I got a large # of vmware os images also, and iso images
[04:51] <Insane`KDE> I only have 100 GB left
[04:51] <buck> i would love to have 8 750GB drives ..
[04:51] <MaTiAz> elite101: If you get crazy with torrents, like TV or Anime series, 500 gigs will get full pretty fast
[04:51] <elite101> who downloads 500GB OF USE FULL files?
[04:51] <elite101> lol
[04:51] <elite101> i dont watch anime?
[04:51] <elite101> its kinda dumb
[04:51] <Dr_willis> I dont watch tv.. :)
[04:51] <MaTiAz> Especially nowadays with HD material
[04:51] <Insane`KDE> The Simpsons, season 1-16, 80 Gigs
[04:51] <Soulwarp> lol
[04:51] <MaTiAz> elite101: It was just an example -_-
[04:52] <elite101> okay
[04:52] <Dr_willis> Mame Rom Collection = about 20gb right now.
[04:52] <buck> share the simpsons insane
[04:52] <Insane`KDE> No really, a friend of mine honestly has 5 TB HDD space
[04:52] <elite101> lol
[04:52] <buck> are the 16 seaons seeded
[04:52] <elite101> macs have 5-7tb
[04:52] <MaTiAz> But e.g. an episode of Lost, 720p, x264, AC3 is one gig
[04:52] <Dr_willis> i got perhaps 2tb total space on my lan.
[04:52] <elite101> wow
[04:52] <MaTiAz> So if you're gonna get the whole 3 seasons in HD it's already like 70-80 gigs
[04:52] <buck> i have about that ..
[04:52] <Soulwarp> i have a total of 80 and i barely get over 1/4
[04:53] <Insane`KDE> My network's got maybe 2 tB too
[04:53] <MaTiAz> And long anime series like Naruto or Bleach take somewhat 20 gigs
[04:53] <buck> but i want to create a big fileserver..
[04:53] <Insane`KDE> My brother downloads Anime/Music/Films/Books/everything around 24/7
[04:53] <buck> with 8 sata 750 drives
[04:53] <Insane`KDE> 750 drive?
[04:53] <zbor> join fff
[04:53] <Insane`KDE> Lame
[04:53] <Insane`KDE> Get 2 tb drives
[04:53] <elite101> yeah 20gigs but u have 500gb who fills up a HDD with half a tera byte just for kubuntu?
[04:53] <Roey> HI
[04:54] <MaTiAz> elite101: No one
[04:54] <elite101> lol
[04:54] <elite101> i would install all the programs
[04:54] <MaTiAz> Internet piracy benefits the HDD makers the most :D
[04:54] <Roey> I'm trying to load Kubuntu on this Dell Vostro 1700, but X just gives me a blank screen and I can't even switch back to the console terminal from it.
[04:54] <elite101> all 18,444 off them
[04:54] <elite101> :P
[04:54] <elite101> just to have them all
[04:54] <Insane`KDE> MaTiAz: So true..
[04:54] <Roey> I have nvidia-glx-new and linux-restricted-drivers-2.65.20-16-lowlatency packages installed.
[04:54] <elite101> i would install everything there was to kubuntu
[04:54] <elite101> if i had 500gb
[04:55] <Roey> I would instlal kubuntu
[04:55] <Insane`KDE> Roey: Can you switch to console aith Alt +F1?
[04:55] <Roey> Insane`KDE:  no I cannot
[04:55] <elite101> when someone suggest a program i wouldnt even hhave to download it
[04:55] <Insane`KDE> No idea.. I'm a kUbuntunub
[04:55] <Roey> I'm using both the kernel's (nvidia proprietary) 0.9xxxx nvidia module as well as the nvidia-glx-new X driver.
[04:55] <Roey> ok
[04:55] <Roey> Insane`KDE:  thansk anyuway
[04:56] <buck> here hows this for a HD .. quantum fireball lct20 4400 rpm
[04:56] <buck> its flippin quiet as all hell
[04:56] <Insane`KDE> elite101 How much space do all those programs have total?
[04:56] <buck> thats what i am running this box on
[04:56] <elite101> lol not sure
[04:56] <Insane`KDE> Everybody /join #Xtream_HDD
[04:56] <elite101> okay
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[05:14] <Dr_willis> the bot is awake!
[05:15] <pag> umh? when he was asked for the factoid?
[05:15] <apecat> anybody happen to know the names of kernelmodules that *ubuntu autoloads at every boot if the install is done with a logitech wireless usb keyboard?
[05:15] <apecat> i need to blacklist it, a normal ps/2 keyboard won't work now
[05:16] <Insane`KDE> elite101: EVIL!!!
[05:16] <apecat> i'm booted with a live cd atm
[05:16] <elite101> lol
[05:16] <elite101> :P
[05:16] <Insane`KDE> I couldn't talk
[05:16] <elite101> i banned my self roo
[05:16] <Insane`KDE> You banned me :O
[05:16] <elite101> too*
[05:16] <Insane`KDE> LOL
[05:16] <Insane`KDE> rofl
[05:16] <elite101> all of us lol
[05:17] <Insane`KDE> Not me
[05:17] <Insane`KDE> You left the channel
[05:17] <Insane`KDE> Thus it andit's settings went Kaboom
[05:17] <Insane`KDE> Now I'm op :P
[05:17] <Insane`KDE> Let's make a permanent channel with ChanBot
[05:17] <Insane`KDE> call it opfest
[05:26] <chih> hi
[05:26] <bobesponja> hey
[05:27] <bobesponja> which backport mirror has 3.92? I tried fr. uk. and .com
[05:27] <lontra> if i hook up an external monitor can i configure using the display option in system settings?
[05:28] <lontra> or will i need to edit X
[05:28] <pag> bobesponja, 3.92 of what?
[05:29] <bobesponja> pag: kde http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-beta1.php
[05:29] <pag> bobesponja, and btw: there's reason why they're called mirrors - they're pretty much identical as soon as they're updated
[05:29] <hector__> Hello
[05:30] <bobesponja> pag: thanx I know what a mirror is
[05:30] <hector__> hoolaaaa
[05:31] <pag> bobesponja, that announcement hasn't even reached the frontpage - I'd guess it's just a templetate
[05:31] <bobesponja> pag: it's on kde.org
[05:31] <bobesponja> pag: http://www.kde.org/info/3.92.php
[05:31] <pag> bobesponja, kde.org doesn't have kubuntu packages ;)
[05:32] <bobesponja> pag: the link is on kde.org
[05:33] <pag> bobesponja, try asking dev's... I'd guess most mirrors will only update tomorrow
[05:34] <lontra> sweet beta1 :)
[05:35] <hector__> how can I conect my SE k300 on Kubuntu?
[05:35] <Dr_willis> and a SE k300  is a?
[05:36] <hector__> Sony Ericsson k300 is a cellphone
[05:37] <rjb> hector__: if it has bluetooth, that should work fine
[05:38] <bobesponja> lontra: did find a mirror? :)
[05:38] <hector__> someone can help me?
[05:38] <TheFuzzball> Hi, I am a bit of a n00b in the area of Testing so can anyone tell me exactly how to get KDE 4 Beta 1 running on Ubuntu?
[05:39] <Dr_willis> Not even sure theres testable packages out yet for if
[05:39] <Dr_willis> it.
[05:39] <TheFuzzball> They came out today
[05:39] <bobesponja> TheFuzzball: for now you'd have to wait cause kubuntu mirrors still don't have the packages as of yet
[05:39] <nosrednaekim> KDE4? yeah, they are in fiesty backports
[05:40] <TheFuzzball> I have downloaded it
[05:40] <TheFuzzball> I just don't know how to use it
[05:40] <rjb> hector__: bluetooth-connecting my k700i works great, except for dial-up networking
[05:40] <bobesponja> TheFuzzball: how did you download it?
[05:40] <TheFuzzball> bobesponja, apt-get
[05:40] <nosrednaekim> http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-beta1.php
[05:41] <rjb> but DUN requires a special software from SE even on windows, and doesn't work too great
[05:41] <bobesponja> TheFuzzball: try apt-cache policy kde4base if it says 3.91 you installed alpha2
[05:41] <bobesponja> TheFuzzball: not beta 1
[05:42] <TheFuzzball> I know I have KDE 4 Beta 1, I just don't know how to run it in KDE
[05:42] <TheFuzzball> KDM*
[05:42] <fdoving> TheFuzzball: the announcement says what to do.
[05:43] <bobesponja> TheFuzzball: ok, could you tell me what mirror did you use to install kde 4 Beta 1 cause I couldn't find any
[05:43] <TheFuzzball> it tells me to put some "export" lines in startkde
[05:43] <TheFuzzball> but I don't even know where to put them nor what they are
[05:43] <bobesponja> TheFuzzball: I don't think you have beta1 you must have alpha2
[05:43] <TheFuzzball> bobesponja, I am using Gutsy, but they should be in Feisty backports
[05:43] <fdoving> TheFuzzball: the announcement explains that.
[05:44] <bobesponja> TheFuzzball: ok gutsy, that might explain it then :)
[05:44] <hector__> hi! how can i conect a sony ericsson k300 on kubuntu and transfer files?
[05:44] <TheFuzzball> fdoving, that is what I'm saying I don't understand what it means, can you give me a simpler, step-by -step guide?
[05:45] <TheFuzzball> I reckon it's identical to KDE 4 Alpha 2s one, I couldn't get that working either
[05:45] <pag> TheFuzzball, sudo cp /usr/lib/kde4/share/apps/kdm/sessions/kde.desktop /usr/share/xsessions/kde4.desktop && sudo nano /usr/share/xsessions/kde4.desktop
[05:46] <pag> TheFuzzball, then make the changes you are told to and save the file
[05:46] <fdoving> TheFuzzball: first copy  /usr/lib/kde4/share/apps/kdm/sessions/kde.desktop to /usr/share/xsessions/kde4.desktop, edit the Name entry in kde4.desktop to be called "KDE 4", put the three export lines at the top of /usr/lib/kde4/bin/startkde and start a new session in KDM with KDE 4. the three lines are the ones at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-beta1.php
[05:46] <rjb> hector__: scroll up, you weren't paying attention
[05:46] <mikkael> i just tried that, without sucess :/
[05:47] <TheFuzzball> fdoving, Am I supposed to put the lines before or after the Bash decloration?
[05:47] <fdoving> TheFuzzball: after.
[05:47] <TheFuzzball> fdoving, directly?
[05:48] <fdoving> TheFuzzball: before: # When the X server dies we get a HUP signal from xinit. We must ignore it
[05:48] <TheFuzzball> fdoving, thanks
[05:49] <Knight_Lord> How can I import messages in kmail?
[05:49] <TheFuzzball> I'll test it now
[05:50] <pag> Knight_Lord, how about "File -> Import Messages" ? :)
[05:50] <TheFuzzball> fdoving, nope, It just kills X and comes up with KDM after I tell it to use KDE 4
[05:51] <Knight_Lord> pag its disabled in the menu
[05:51] <fdoving> TheFuzzball: ok, then you have some other problem i guess.
[05:51] <pag> Knight_Lord, :O dunno then..
[05:51] <Knight_Lord> pag i just don't know why it's disabled
[05:52] <pag> Knight_Lord, have you configured any accounts to kmail yet?
[05:52] <Knight_Lord> pag, yes one
[05:53] <pag> Knight_Lord, ok.. them I'm out of ideas. sorry
[05:54] <jhutchins> Knight_Lord: Give me thirty minutes or so and I'll be back with you on that one.
[05:55] <Knight_Lord> jhutchins thanks
[06:07] <BluesKaj> wonder kde4beta  is gonna be easier to install than the alpha was ... never did figure out how to make it work...beyond my scope i guess
[06:07] <TheFuzzball> right, When I run startkde in a terminal I get this error ".: 85; Can't open /home/.kde4/shar/config/startupconfig" does anyone else have this problem?
[06:07] <fdoving> TheFuzzball: you can try to also add 'export KDEHOME=~/.kde4' in the same file.
[06:07] <Insane`KDE> !about
[06:07] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about about - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:07] <Insane`KDE> !bot
[06:07] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[06:07] <TheFuzzball> fdoving, it's obviously using .kde4 as home cause the directory exists and it has a problem with one of the files in it
[06:07] <buck> well now ..
[06:07] <Riddell> TheFuzzball: it shouldn't be using /home/.kde that's missing the user directory
[06:07] <buck> anyone have tips on how to get midi working
[06:07] <TheFuzzball> Riddell, I am the only user on my computer so I made /home my home directory
[06:07] <Riddell> mm, right
[06:07] <Riddell> TheFuzzball: what happens if you start a kde 4 application from within a terminal in kde 3?
[06:07] <pag> !midi | buck
[06:07] <ubotu> buck: Trouble playing MIDI files? Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MidiSoftwareSynthesisHowTo
[06:07] <Riddell> with the environement variables set
[06:07] <TheFuzzball> Riddell, "KDE seems to be already running on this display."
[06:07] <Riddell> TheFuzzball: what application did you start?
[06:07] <BluesKaj> !kde4
[06:07] <ubotu> KDE 4 is the next major release of the K Desktop Environment. For more information see <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KDE_4>. The Release Schedule is available at <http://techbase.kde.org/Schedules/KDE4/4.0_Release_Schedule>. Alpha 2 packages can be found at <http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-alpha2.php>.
[06:07] <TheFuzzball> Riddell, sudo /usr/lib/kde4/bin/startkde
[06:07] <TheFuzzball> Riddell, I got it working now anyway
[06:07] <Riddell> TheFuzzball: what did you change?
[06:07] <Insane`KDE> !tell me about foo
[06:07] <TheFuzzball> Riddell, I used fdoving's advise with the extra export line
[06:07] <Riddell> hrm
[06:07] <Riddell> that really shouldn't change anything
[06:07] <Riddell> but I guess it does
[06:07] <Riddell> wonder why
[06:08] <TheFuzzball> Riddell, I thought that too :)
[06:08] <Insane`KDE> !foo | me
[06:08] <ubotu> me: foo is bar
[06:09] <Insane`KDE> !foo > me
[06:10] <Riddell> Insane`KDE: don't spam
[06:11] <Insane`KDE> Riddell: Just testing
[06:12] <killborgkid> Hey does anyone know a beryl server?
[06:14] <nicolai_> killborgkid: I cannot vouch for the validity, but this came up in a Google-quicksearch: http://3v1n0.tuxfamily.org/dists/edgy/beryl-svn/
[06:14] <killborgkid> ok thank you
[06:15] <Riddell> TheFuzzball: are you on gutsy or feisty?
[06:15] <elite101> hey i was wondering on how to make it so Adept isnt in read-only mode? i have no other prosses that are using adept?
[06:16] <jarred> hello, anyone around?
[06:16] <elite101> hey i was wondering on how to make it so Adept isnt in read-only mode? i have no other prosses that are using adept?
[06:16] <nicolai_> killborgkid: This might be more secure :P     http://ubuntu.beryl-project.org/
[06:16] <TheFuzzball> Riddell, Gutsyu
[06:17] <TheFuzzball> Riddell, minus the u :)
[06:17] <nicolai_> !aptfix `elite101
[06:17] <killborgkid> ok
[06:17] <Dr_willis> readonly mode?
[06:17] <elite101> yeah
[06:17] <Knight_Lord> jhutchins thanks for the help but i already solved it updating my KDE
[06:17] <elite101> i cant do anything
[06:17] <elite101> just read what i have installed
[06:17] <Dr_willis> run it with root permissions?
[06:17] <nicolai_> !aptfix | elite101
[06:17] <ubotu> elite101: If Adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole:  sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a 
[06:17] <elite101> how? there is a line to fix it
[06:17] <Dr_willis> or did it ask for the root password?
[06:17] <elite101> thanks
[06:17] <elite101> nicolai_, thanks
[06:18] <killborgkid> does anyone have the ubuntu server for irc
[06:19] <killborgkid> nevermind
[06:19] <Soulwarp> you mean channel? /join #ubuntu
[06:19] <Dr_willis> killborgkid,  huh? This is freenode. its the 'official' irc server for the ubuntu support channels. :)
[06:19] <killborgkid> i found it
[06:19] <elite101> no freenode is for ##windows too
[06:19] <elite101> and other channels
[06:19] <Dr_willis> i never said it waswent for windows or other channels...
[06:20] <killborgkid> no i was looking for the beryl one but i got it
[06:20] <nicolai_> Just out of curiosity, would there be any difference between saying "sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock" and "sudo rm /var/lib/dpkg/lock"
[06:20] <Dr_willis> this is the official one USED by the ubuntu guys..
[06:20] <killborgkid> thanks for all of the help
[06:20] <BluesKaj> well, i followed the instructions for kde 4 beta to the letter as far as i can figure , but no sign of it coming up in login after areboot
[06:20] <Soulwarp> did you enable it?
[06:21] <Insane`KDE> Or you could run your own server and wait for that 0.0.......01% chance that somebody enters it and can answer your question..
[06:21] <BluesKaj> KDE 4 is too beta for me i guess :)
[06:22] <BluesKaj> Soulwarp, err enable ...where are the "enable" instructrions ?
[06:23] <nicolai_> BluesKaj: you could always try the Suse live cd:   http://home.kde.org/~binner/kde-four-live/
[06:23] <Dr_willis> proberly the safest  way to test kde4 :)
[06:23] <Insane`KDE> does anybody here have experience using vmware?
[06:23] <Dr_willis> lots of us do. :)
[06:23] <Dr_willis> i use vmware-server all the time
[06:24] <elite101> well i gtg take a shower and stuff and go outside, you know there is a whole other world out there yah know :P instead of getting a CRT burn why not go to the beach :P
[06:24] <Soulwarp> BluesKaj not sure ;p
[06:24] <elite101> adn get a sun burn:P
[06:24] <nicolai_> elite101: because it has been raining for 1 months
[06:24] <Insane`KDE> Dr_willis Can I use vmware to emulate an existing windows install or do I have to install it fresh?
[06:24] <elite101> lol
[06:25] <elite101> well its a nice day to day supposed to be the hotest too
[06:25] <Insane`KDE> elite101: 'cause I got a TFT
[06:25] <elite101> in all of ontario
[06:25] <elite101> TFT?
[06:25] <elite101> whats a tft?
[06:25] <Dr_willis> Insane`KDE,  you COULD use it to run an existing install.. but windows will see it as if its been moved to a totally new machine and will want to reactivate, and isntall sll sorts of other drivers.. THEN if you put it back to normal.. it will then want to activate again.. and then reinstall the old drivers back
[06:25] <BluesKaj> was hotter yesterday , elite101
[06:25] <Dr_willis> Insane`KDE,  unless of course you are refering to windows95/98/me
[06:25] <jhutchins> Knight_Lord: Good, glad you got it sorted.
[06:26] <Dr_willis> gettting vmware to run an os on a physical hard drive. takes a littel work also.
[06:26] <Skeet> So how is everyone today
[06:26] <Insane`KDE> Oh
[06:26] <Insane`KDE> So, if I have vmware, and I have an iso of my vista install disk
[06:26] <Insane`KDE> I can emulate that?
[06:26] <jhutchins> Insane`KDE: There is a #vmware channel.
[06:26] <Dr_willis> vista under vmware - is a scary idea
[06:27] <Insane`KDE> jhutchins: thanks. Right xD
[06:27] <Soulwarp> :o
[06:27] <Dr_willis> you could boot vmware, and have it load/boot the iso image file. and isntall vista..
[06:27] <Dr_willis> but if you activate vista... well.....  your real vista install may stop working
[06:28] <Insane`KDE> I don't have a real vista install
[06:28] <Insane`KDE> Not yet
[06:28] <Insane`KDE> Just the iso
[06:28] <Dr_willis> well if you activate it on the vmware install.. then you WONT be able to install it on a real machine with the serial ##
[06:28] <Soulwarp> if i had vista cd i would use it for my coffee as a coaster 8)
[06:28] <Dr_willis> or at least ya will have some issues when you do try to activate it
[06:29] <Dr_willis> I have no idea of what issues vista under vmware may have.
[06:29] <Dr_willis> I use Win98 for my vmware/windows needs
[06:30] <Insane`KDE> Just under you and me, uh, it's preactivated
[06:30] <genii> Dr_willis: When i tried same Vista on 2nd box it said to uninstall from the other one first
[06:30] <Insane`KDE> It's preactivated and cracked
[06:31] <rotil> kala nihta !
[06:31] <nicolai_> Insane`KDE: The Vista police will get you now :o
[06:33] <WhtWolfTeradyne> Ok, I've got a major problem. I did a "sudo apt-get upgrade", and ran into an error.
[06:34] <Insane`KDE> WhtWolfTeradyne: What error?
[06:34] <WhtWolfTeradyne> Whenever it tries to install ttf-opensymbol, it gives a "failed to write cache" error for all the font packs.
[06:34] <WhtWolfTeradyne> sorry it took so long. I hase to check again.
[06:35] <WhtWolfTeradyne> s/hase/had
[06:36] <WhtWolfTeradyne> I'm in major trouble if I don't get my laptop up, as I'm going on a trip tomorrow, and this laptop will be my only connection to my online school until I get back.
[06:37] <nicolai_> WhtWolfTeradyne: was this an upgrade from Edgy to Feisty?
[06:37] <WhtWolfTeradyne> nicolai_: No. I just did a fresh install of Feisty
[06:38] <BluesKaj> does kde4 beta actually work ?
[06:38] <nicolai_> WhtWolfTeradyne: have you tried?: sudo dpkg --configure -a
[06:39] <WhtWolfTeradyne> nicolai_: I'll try that. Give me a sec.
[06:39] <WhtWolfTeradyne> nicolai_: same thing. It spits out "failed to write cache" with every font pack.
[06:41] <Insane`KDE> how does one change/set the root password?
[06:41] <TheFuzzball> Insane`KDE, sudo passwd
[06:42] <su-hoens`rZ> i'm trying to install kubuntu, and when i used the normal cd all 4 of my sata drives were detected, but on the alternate cd only one is detected
[06:42] <su-hoens`rZ> anyone have any idea why?
[06:42] <su-hoens`rZ> the bios detects all the drives in both cases
[06:42] <nicolai_> Insane`KDE: System settings -> advanced login -> convenience
[06:43] <nicolai_> WhtWolfTeradyne: can you test if the same error is given to other packages?
[06:43] <Dr_willis> from what little ive used vista.. i dont WANT it in any way/shape or form. ;)
[06:43] <nicolai_> I have so far not met ONE person in real life who likes Vista :P
[06:44] <Dr_willis> su-hoens`rZ,  use 'sudo fdisk -l' in the console on the textinstaller cd and see if it sees them all? or if its just the isntaller thats asking about 1.
[06:44] <WhtWolfTeradyne> nicolai_: I found the solution. > http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=400473
[06:44] <su-hoens`rZ> Dr_willis so reboot?
[06:44] <jhutchins> !sudo Insane`KDE
[06:44] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about sudo insane`kde - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:44] <Dr_willis> 'good points about Vista' I ask.. they say 'ya got that cool sidebar' .....
[06:44] <jhutchins> !sudo | Insane`KDE
[06:44] <ubotu> Insane`KDE: sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[06:44] <Dr_willis> su-hoens`rZ,  one way to find out. Ive had no issues with the isntallers seeing all my hd's
[06:44] <jhutchins> !kdesu | Insane`KDE
[06:44] <ubotu> Insane`KDE: In KDE, use  kdesu  to run graphical applications with root privileges when you have to. Do *not* use  sudo <GUI application> ; you can muck up your permissions/config files. For what to use in GNOME, see !gksudo
[06:44] <Dr_willis> su-hoens`rZ,  sata drives should appear as sd## type drives
[06:45] <Insane`KDE> jhutchins, I know, thanks
[06:45] <WhtWolfTeradyne> s/joke/jokes
[06:45] <jhutchins> Insane`KDE: That's why you don't need to have a root password.
[06:45] <su-hoens`rZ> Dr_willis do you mean in the "Install in Text Mode" screen?
[06:45] <su-hoens`rZ> there's a console there?
[06:46] <jhutchins> Insane`KDE: Using the sudo system, anything you do with root privilages is logged.
[06:46] <hsystem> any alternative to kdesu?
[06:46] <hsystem> or for kdesu*
[06:46] <Insane`KDE> jhutchins, I was just asking so I could answer another guy's questions
[06:47] <WhtWolfTeradyne> I'm off to pack. Later everyone.
[06:47] <sivaji_> how to compile a java program ?
[06:48] <jhutchins> Insane`KDE: Generally I try to work within *buntu's security system.  I know enough that I can hack it completely and make it like what I'm used to, and I know enough not to create any real security risk when doing so.  Not everybody does.
[06:49] <jhutchins> Insane`KDE: When people ask me how to get around a "security feature", I usually ask them what they really want to do, and try to show them how to do it within the policies and practices of *buntu.
[06:49] <Insane`KDE> jhutchins: Well this guy, "rotil", somehow installed without a root apsswqord and wanted to set it or so
[06:53] <jhutchins> Insane`KDE: ubuntu installs always lock the root account, so there is never a password unless someone defeats the system and sets it.
[06:54] <su-hoens`rZ> Dr_willis fdisk also doesn't find anything other than the first disk :(
[06:54] <su-hoens`rZ> anyone have any suggestions?
[06:55] <jhutchins> su-hoens`rZ: You mean fdisk from the alt cd, right?
[06:55] <su-hoens`rZ> jhutchins yeah
[06:55] <jhutchins> su-hoens`rZ: Wonder if the scsi module isn't loading for some reason...
[06:55] <su-hoens`rZ> well it's finding the first one?
[06:55] <su-hoens`rZ> but not the other 3?
[06:55] <su-hoens`rZ> seems kinda strange to me
[06:56] <su-hoens`rZ> they all get detected on the main cd
[06:56] <su-hoens`rZ> but i can't install softraid with that
[06:58] <su-hoens`rZ> jhutchins? :(
[07:01] <jhutchins> su-hoens`rZ: Yeah, sorry, I really can only speculate on this.
[07:02] <su-hoens`rZ> jhutchins so no suggestions? :(
[07:02] <jhutchins> I'm not even sure how you'd check what modules are loading with the standard CD and load them on the alt.
[07:02] <jhutchins> sata support does have problems.
[07:02] <jhutchins> You know that software raid isn't going to gain any speed, right?
[07:02] <su-hoens`rZ> well it's more for convenience
[07:03] <su-hoens`rZ> so that i can have just one massive home mount
[07:03] <jhutchins> su-hoens`rZ: Having a single large volume instead of chopping it up.
[07:03] <su-hoens`rZ> as opposed to 4 smaller ones
[07:03] <jhutchins> makes sense.
[07:04] <jhutchins> su-hoens`rZ: Well, you can try the forums, and you can stick around and see if someone who's familiar with sata shows up.
[07:04] <su-hoens`rZ> ok thanks ;)
[07:04] <jhutchins> I'm gonna go get coffee and read the newspaper.
[07:04] <su-hoens`rZ> hf
[07:12] <pacman_> can anyone assist me with wine?
[07:14] <nicolai_> !ask | pacman_
[07:14] <ubotu> pacman_: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[07:15] <pacman_> well, I'm trying to get a game to work, and when I use wine to open it, the screen goes black, like its trying to load, but nothing happens
[07:16] <nicolai_> pacman_: what game?
[07:16] <pacman_> when I hit alt+tab to get a different window, the wine icon says 'exception encountered'...but I can't see what the exception is
[07:16] <pacman_> sim city 3000
[07:17] <nicolai_> pacman_: http://appdb.winehq.org/appview.php?iAppId=4086
[07:19] <nicolai_> pacman_: seems like it doesn't work yet..
[07:19] <sudeep> every now and then no. of parallel vertical white line appers in the selected menu item... also in the title bar of the window... any solutions
[07:20] <lazz0> nicolai_, it says some people ran it
[07:20] <pacman_> I had it working with wine when I was using 6.06
[07:21] <sudeep> every now and then no. of parallel vertical white line appers in the selected menu item... also in the title bar of the window... any solution
[07:22] <nicolai_> pacman_: 6.06? that would be Wine 0.9.15 if you used the version that came with dapper.
[07:23] <pacman_> okay] 
[07:24] <pacman_> any way I can get that version?  Or can I only get the newest
[07:25] <nicolai_> pacman_: Older versions are found here: http://wine.budgetdedicated.com/archive/index.html
[07:26] <Kostuch> could someone copy his xorg.conf file? i've deleted my own by mistake
[07:26] <Kostuch> i use geforce 5200 FX
[07:26] <Kostuch> it would be great
[07:26] <Kostuch> if it wasn't with nvidia drivers
[07:26] <LeeJunFan> Kostuch: you should be able to get a default config by running sudo dpkg-reconfigure -p high xserver-xorg
[07:27] <nicolai_> pacman_: but it said that the Sim City 3000's maintainer's version was 0.9.42, so that might also work if you haven't tried the newest version yet
[07:27] <Kostuch> thanks
[07:27] <LeeJunFan> As for specific to your driver I can't help you I've got a crappy ATI.
[07:27] <sudeep> every now and then no. of parallel vertical white line appers in the selected menu item... also in the title bar of the window... any solutions
[07:28] <Kostuch> big thanks :D
[07:28] <nicolai_> sudeep: I'm not quite sure I understand you :/
[07:30] <x_link> Doesn't Kubuntu have Gaim?
[07:30] <Tomi-idle> no. gaim is a gtk app
[07:30] <nicolai_> x_link: it has Kopete
[07:30] <Tomi-idle> but you can intall it if you like
[07:31] <hufi> hallo?
[07:31] <x_link> nicolai_: Okey, is that the same thing as gaim or what?
[07:31] <hufi> wo bin ich hier?
[07:31] <sudeep> nicolai_, every now and then, while selecting a menu item (application menu or KMENU) ,the selected menu items has parallel vertial white lines
[07:31] <pag> !de | hufi
[07:31] <ubotu> hufi: Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[07:31] <x_link> nicolai_: I want to use MSN.
[07:31] <Tomi-idle> kopete has msn in it
[07:31] <x_link> nicolai_: Well, "msn".
[07:31] <x_link> Tomi-idle: Nice.
[07:31] <Tomi-idle> it has many protocols like icq and yahoo
[07:31] <nicolai_> x_link: it is a messenger client. I use it for MSN, so you should also be able to do it
[07:31] <pag> x_link, kopete supports it.. Kmess does it even better though
[07:31] <x_link> nicolai_: Hehe okej, thanks alot!.
[07:31] <hufi> benutzt ihr alle linux?
[07:32] <pag> hufi, /join #kubuntu-de
[07:32] <nicolai_> !de | hufi
[07:32] <ubotu> hufi: Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[07:32] <x_link> pag: I don't need anything advanced. Just something that works is good enough for me. But thanks anyway =)
[07:33] <x_link> With Kopete, MSN Passport ID:, is that where I should write my e-mail or what?
[07:34] <waylandbill_> x_link: kopete is pretty close to what gaim can do. File xfer is one thing it can't do... yet...
[07:34] <x_link> ok
[07:34] <x_link> But MSN Passport ID: should I write my e-mail there?
[07:34] <waylandbill_> x_link: the email you used to sign up for msn, yes.
[07:35] <x_link> waylandbill_: Okej, thanks.
[07:35] <x_link> Never used MSN for Linux before. This is my first time.
[07:35] <x_link> But I should be good to go now 0)
[07:35] <x_link> =)
[07:35] <Ahmuck> anybody using JACK?
[07:35] <Daisuke_Ido> those jerks at dell :(
[07:35] <waylandbill_> Ahmuck: my guess is most are using alsa.
[07:35] <Ahmuck> anybody using JACK?
[07:35] <Daisuke_Ido> ships aug. 20 :\
[07:36] <Daisuke_Ido> Ahmuck: would it kill you wo wait more than 30 seconds between repeating your question?
[07:36] <Ahmuck> need JACK with rosegarden, but can't get JACK to start
[07:36] <nosrednaekim> Daisuke_Ido: a ubuntu dell?
[07:36] <Daisuke_Ido> nosrednaekim: yep
[07:36] <Daisuke_Ido> supporting the cause
[07:36] <hufi> wo bin ich hier?
[07:36] <Ahmuck> Daisuke_Ido: probally not if i could see the channel
[07:36] <Ahmuck> however i had to rejoin
[07:37] <Ahmuck> so i was unsure that my question had been posted
[07:37] <nosrednaekim> Daisuke_Ido: which one? i'm drooling over the 1420n
[07:37] <Ahmuck> i'm not sure why it bothers you that much
[07:37] <nicolai_> sudeep: Do you think this might help?   http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=279108
[07:40] <sudeep> nicolai_, thanks
[07:40] <Ahmuck> does kubuntu have a "studio" package like ubuntu does ?
[07:40] <Dr_willis> studio?
[07:40] <Tomi-idle> no, but you can install different kernel and programs you want
[07:41] <nicolai_> sudeep: And because I don't know if you know: this command will lead you to the file in question:  kdesu kate /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[07:42] <sudeep> nicolai_, ya i already onto it.
[07:43] <Ahmuck> Tomi-idle: a different kernel, i assume that has to do with the system timing
[07:45] <Daisuke_Ido> nosrednaekim: the 1420N :P
[07:46] <nosrednaekim> Daisuke_Ido: did you get the SWXGA screen?
[07:48] <Daisuke_Ido> nosrednaekim: PM :D
[07:50] <vzduch> Ahmuck: you can install ubuntu-studio-audio, you can install the lowlatency kernel or even the (experimental) realtime kernel
[07:50] <narak> 2 questions, 1) Any idea how to enable sound trough a different port on a sound card?
[07:51] <Ahmuck> i'v installed ubuntu-studio-audio, but i am not sure what i need for the lowlatencykernel
[07:51] <narak> I want the sound out the optical port instead of the regular one..
[07:53] <killown> hi
[07:53] <vzduch> narak: if your card doesn't send the signal to all outputs by default anyway, you should be able to select the output in the mixer (KMix/alsamixer)
[07:53] <killown> how Do I to install kde4 beta 1 via apt-get?
[07:53] <narak> 2nd question, does nvidia driver use its own settings for resolution? cause it gives me max 1280*800 while tv supports 1366*768 and that resolution is set in xorg.conf..
[07:54] <vzduch> add a source if you have one, update and install.. to my knowledge there is no source for Feisty
[07:54] <narak> killown: hmm will check
[07:54] <Ahmuck> killown: ouch, i don't think i would do so if i were you, kde4 beta is for developers
[07:54] <ardchoille> !kde4 | killown
[07:54] <ubotu> killown: KDE 4 is the next major release of the K Desktop Environment. For more information see <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KDE_4>. The Release Schedule is available at <http://techbase.kde.org/Schedules/KDE4/4.0_Release_Schedule>. Alpha 2 packages can be found at <http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-alpha2.php>.
[07:54] <Dr_willis> i would test out kde4 with the various live cd's that exist.
[07:54] <Dr_willis> that would be safest
[07:54] <killown> Ahmuck, unstable a lot yet?
[07:54] <Dr_willis> also thers not a lot to 'see' in kde4 yet.
[07:55] <Ahmuck> killown: don't know, i have not tried it
[07:55] <nicolai_> Dr_willis: there is a lot to see, it just isn't enabled by default.
[07:55] <Dr_willis> I can wait. :)
[07:55] <nicolai_> Dr_willis: Same here :P
[07:56] <Dr_willis> Not like its going to cure your dogs cancer, or anything.
[07:56] <Dr_willis> :)
[07:57] <narak> killown: alsamixergui fixed it ;)
[07:57] <BluesKaj> Dr_willis, i tried to get kde4 to run but I had no joy ..followed the insructions to the letter I think, but wouldn't launch
[07:58] <killown> narak, I want to install kde4 beta1 via apt
[07:59] <BluesKaj> killown, you can find instructions here > http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-alpha2.php
[07:59] <BluesKaj> good luck
[07:59] <killown> BluesKaj not kde4 alpha
[07:59] <killown> kde4 "beta1"
[08:01] <nosrednaekim> killown: go to www.kubuntu.org, its on the front page
[08:03] <user_> Could some one dcc me usr/share/xsessions/kde.desktop I over wrote mine....
[08:03] <BluesKaj> killown, sorry had the wrong page
[08:07] <BluesKaj> http://www.kde.org/announcements/announce-4.0-beta1.php
[08:09] <user_> Could some one dcc me usr/share/xsessions/kde.desktop I over wrote mine....
[08:10] <BluesKaj> i followed the install procedure here but you have to install cmake first ...i wish they would have told us before installing all the libs etc
[08:12] <martijn> is there a special release coming when kde4-beta is out?
[08:17] <nicolai_> martijn: KDE 4.0 beta1 is out. There will be a special version of Gutsy Gibbon when KDE 4.0 is finaly released'
[08:17] <user_> Could some one dcc me usr/share/xsessions/kde.desktop I over wrote mine....
[08:17] <user_> nicolai_: could you send me that file
[08:18] <nicolai_> nicolai_: and a special version containing KDE 4.1 when Gutsy+1 is released
[08:18] <user_> nicolai_: im installing kde4 now
[08:18] <user_> but i need the file b/c i overwrote mine with the one for kde4
[08:19] <martijn> nicolai_: so Gutsy+1 will not be kde4?
[08:19] <nicolai_> user_: i don't think I can. I have about five minutes before I'm out the door. :/
[08:19] <user_> its a small file
[08:19] <user_> all you have to do is drag it on my name
[08:19] <user_> wich package can i find it in
[08:21] <user_> martijn: could you send me /usr/share/xsessions/kde4.desktop
[08:21] <user_> martijn: could you send me /usr/share/xsessions/kde.desktop
[08:21] <nicolai_> martijn: Gutsy+1 is a Long Term Support release, and the version that will be shipped on CD is supposed to be extra stable
[08:21] <nicolai_> martijn: The will however be a downloadable cd with KDE 4 for both Gutsy and Gutsy+1
[08:22] <Tomi-idle> kde4 beta out yet?
[08:23] <user_> Tomi-idle: yes
[08:23] <nicolai_> Tomi-idle: yep
[08:23] <Tomi-idle> schweet. have to give it a go
[08:23] <user_> Tomi-idle:  i installed it but over wrote my usr/share/xsessions/kde.desktop
[08:23] <Tomi-idle> plasma taskbar there yet?
[08:23] <Tomi-idle> ouch :(
[08:23] <user_> could you send it to me
[08:23] <Tomi-idle> sure
[08:23] <user_> thank  you
[08:24] <nicolai_> Tomi-idle: live-cd version:  http://home.kde.org/~binner/kde-four-live/
[08:24] <nicolai_> And with that I say goodbye, for now.
[08:25] <Tomi-idle> oh bte do i need to change permission to the file
[08:25] <Tomi-idle> *btw
[08:25] <user_> Tomi-idle: I dont think i can chroot it when i get it
[08:25] <user_> im mena chmod
[08:25] <user_> mean chmod
[08:26] <x_link> How do I add a user in Kopete?
[08:26] <x_link> File --> Add Contact. There I can only see my own email
[08:27] <martijn> user_: have it already?
[08:27] <x_link> Anybody?
[08:27] <user_> martijn: no...
[08:27] <Tomi-idle> user_: guess dcc aint working
[08:28] <Tomi-idle> have to get it from somewhere else
[08:28] <martijn> user_: damn, i am not registered....
[08:28] <user_> Tomi-idle: dcc is enabled on my konversation program
[08:28] <Tomi-idle> let martijn send it
[08:28] <instabin> ok
[08:28] <Branden> does anyone here have any experience with copying packages to their harddrive to create a local repository.  Is it even possible?
[08:29] <instabin> I changed my nick
[08:29] <instabin> and identifyed
[08:29] <Ze_M> where can i download latest kubuntu ppc gutsy snapshot?
[08:29] <instabin> Tomi-idle: did it go?
[08:32] <george_> hi everyone :)
[08:36] <bridge> DCC START KEYLOGGER
[08:40] <BluesKaj> Branden, a local repos can made with apt-cache as seen here http://lwn.net/Articles/216706/
[08:42] <Branden> BluesKaj:  Thank you i wll look into that
[08:43] <BluesKaj> thx anyway genii , think I'll stick with cool drinks today
[08:44] <genii> BluesKaj: OK, an ice capp for you then :)
[08:44] <BluesKaj> :)
[08:46] <jhutchins> Ze_M: I don't know that there is a gutsy ppc.
[08:47] <jhutchins> Ze_M: Besides, gutsy is still in #ubuntu+1 - they might know there.
[08:47] <Ze_M> jhutchins: im downloading it
[08:48] <Ze_M> jhutchins: there are snapshots of gutsy
[08:49] <jhutchins> Ze_M: K.  Some distros are dropping ppc support.  Is anybody still making ppc machines?
[08:53] <TheRealInsane> AAAARGH!
[08:53] <TheRealInsane> Linux just fucked up
[08:54] <runlevelten> It did?
[08:54] <BluesKaj> pretty general term
[08:58] <vzduch> !away | Pharoh
[08:58] <ubotu> Pharoh: You should avoid changing your nick in a busy channel like #ubuntu - it causes unrequired scrolling which is unfair on new users. The same goes for using noisy away messages : use the command "/away <reason>" to set your client away silently - See also !Guidelines
[08:59] <Aranel> hi, how can i install 2.6.22.1 kernel to Kubuntu ? Are there any packages ?
[08:59] <lontra> Aranel: i don't believe you ... you
[08:59] <lontra> 'll need to wait for gutsy
[08:59] <stdin> Aranel: only in gutsy
[09:00] <lontra> Aranel: you can always roll your own from kernel.org
[09:00] <stdin> better to get it from git
[09:00] <walter> hi
[09:00] <Aranel> lontra: stdin: but I must install it, because i'm in trouble with 2.6.20 , and kernel bugzilla says "try 22, try 22 , try 22" :)
[09:00] <lontra> stdin: ah it's easy to roll your own ;)
[09:01] <stdin> Aranel: what trouble??
[09:01] <lontra> Aranel: what's your problem?
[09:01] <Aranel> stdin: lontra: http://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8836
[09:01] <stdin> lontra: no, I mean get the source from git, rather than kernel.org
[09:02] <walter> alguien habla espaol
[09:02] <lontra> stdin: oh i see
[09:02] <vzduch> !es | walter
[09:02] <lontra> !es
[09:02] <ubotu> walter: Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[09:02] <walter> thank!
[09:03] <lontra> Aranel: alternatively ... not sure if this would work or break your system ... you could add gutsy sources ... sudo apt-get update && apt-get install linux-image-2.6.22-9-generic ... but again that might break your system
[09:04] <Aranel> lontra: umm, Is it unstable ?
[09:04] <lontra> Aranel: i'm running gutsy, it's working fine here ... but it's in development
[09:04] <attunix> how do i import pictures into pitivi?
[09:04] <attunix> lontra: try #kubuntu+1
[09:05] <attunix> :)
[09:05] <stdin> Aranel: have you tried removing the ehci_hcd module? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.20/+bug/88746
[09:05] <lontra> attunix: ?
[09:05] <Aranel> stdin: yes, doesn't work for me.
[09:05] <lontra> attunix: don't just join and give feedback w/o knowing what we're talking about
[09:05] <attunix> lontra: sorry
[09:06] <lontra> well i wasn't trying to be a jerk and make the guy leave ... oh well
[09:06] <Aranel> lontra: Is Linux 2.6.22-9-generic flagged "unstable" by kernel.org ?
[09:07] <lontra> Aranel: no 2.6.22.1 is the latest stable kernel ... IIRC
[09:07] <parsnip> Aranel: usually odd numbered releases are considered unstable
[09:07] <parsnip> Aranel: and even are stable
[09:07] <Aranel> lontra: i'm scared :P
[09:07] <lontra> Aranel: well don't do it then :)
[09:08] <parsnip> Does anyone use Beryl, the folk in there arent chatting
[09:08] <Aranel> lontra: Can I install 2.6.22.1 or only 2.6.22-9-generic for me ?
[09:08] <lontra> Aranel: like i said if you could possible just cherry pick the kernel from gutsy w/o adding any stuff from gutsy other then the kernel and dependecies
[09:08] <dougb> Hi, the remote desktop client that came with kubuntu doesn't seem to be working, can anyone recommend an alternative?
[09:08] <lontra> Aranel: well you can install 2.6.22.1 but 2.6.22-9-generic is what's in gutsy
[09:08] <lontra> Aranel: you'll need to roll your own with the former
[09:10] <Aranel> lontra: what's your suggestion ? 1 or 9-generic ?
[09:10] <parsnip> dougb: there is a java one somewhere i believe
[09:12] <lontra> Aranel: i don't know depends on your problem ... i think getting a .deb would be easier ... why don't you add a gutsy source to /etc/apt/sources.list ... run sudo apt-get update ... and then sudo apt-get install linux-image-2.6.22-9-generic and see what kind of dependencies it wants to bring it ... if it's a lot don't do it ... you can always pastebin the dependencies and tell you if i *think* you'll be fine :)
[09:12] <vzduch> lontra: not so fast.. one should at least give the Gutsy source a lower priority
[09:13] <george_> hi all :P
[09:13] <lontra> vzduch: sure ... but if he's just going to add the repo then delete it not too much of a big deal
[09:13] <Aranel> lontra: :) i'll retry 2.6.22.1 , and if it doesn't work, i'll try 2.6.22-9-generic. Thanks :)
[09:13] <parsnip> lo george_
[09:13] <lontra> brb
[09:13] <stdin> Aranel: that's the hard way
[09:13] <george_> I'm having a problem with gutsy atm, and I'm in need of some help, if possible :P
[09:14] <stdin> george_: gutsy help in #ubuntu+1
[09:14] <parsnip> george_: wassup?
[09:14] <parsnip> its gutsy an official release now?
[09:14] <george_> stdin thx for the channel (is the channels also good for kubuntu +1 ?)
[09:14] <stdin> parsnip: no, that's why help/support/questions/chatter is in +1
[09:15] <vzduch> parsnip: it won't be until October or so
[09:15] <stdin> george_: yeah, both ubuntu and kubuntu in there
[09:15] <parsnip> cheers stdin, vzduch
[09:15] <george_> stdin thx a lot :P
[09:17] <parsnip> i have the nvidia-glx deb install on my system and I have 3d accelleration
[09:17] <parsnip> should i install the nvidia drivers from www.nvidia.com
[09:17] <jhutchins> !nvidia | parsnip
[09:17] <ubotu> parsnip: To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[09:17] <stdin> parsnip: that IS the nvidia driver
[09:17] <assid> hey
[09:18] <parsnip> stdin: i thought you had to run the .sh from runleve 3
[09:18] <parsnip> runlevel 3
[09:18] <parsnip> stdin: is it not different
[09:18] <parsnip> stdin: ?
[09:19] <jhutchins> parsnip: runlevel 3 is no different from runlevels 2-5 on ubuntu/debian.
[09:19] <stdin> parsnip: do not use the download from nvidia unless you REALY know what you're doing and don't mind going without a GUI to fix it
[09:19] <stdin> parsnip: the nvidia-glx package IS THE DRIVER, it's just been packaged for you
[09:20] <dranas> I got a quick question.
[09:20] <assid> err how do i change the default hostname ? just edit /etc/hosts and stuff ?
[09:20] <parsnip> stdin: thanks man, now i understand
[09:20] <assid> or is there a ui for it
[09:21] <parsnip> stdin: runlevels start and stop diferent services and use symbolic links to them to start and stop services as you progress through
[09:21] <stdin> assid: system settings > network settings
[09:21] <stdin> parsnip: what makes you think I don't know this?
[09:21] <dranas> adept updater keeps wanting to download this new mesa opengl dung, and ive been using the ati driver which is better i think. My question is how do i get adept to quit telling me it has updates that i dont want?
[09:22] <dranas> unless of course these updates mesa things are  better than ati
[09:22] <parsnip> stdin: you said they were the same in ubuntu
[09:23] <assid> thanks stdin
[09:23] <stdin> dranas: they are supposed to be better than the ati one, and you can't tell adept that
[09:24] <dranas> alright ill give em a shot
[09:24] <dranas> if they suck ill just reinstall  the ati one
[09:24] <dranas> lol
[09:24] <dranas> thanks
[09:24] <stdin> parsnip: i didn't say anything about runlevels, I said the nvidia-glx package is the same as the one from nvidia.com excapt already configured and compiled for you
[09:24] <dougb> is there a default email client for kubuntu?
[09:24] <assid> stdin: any clue how to set the taskbar to be individual per desktop ?
[09:25] <elite101> help my computer wont boot for some reason it says this:    [ 30.343271]  Kernelpanic- not syncing: VFS : unable to mount FS unknown wn-block(0,0)
[09:25] <elite101> whats that mean?
[09:25] <vzduch> dougb: well, as Kubuntu is KDE-based, you could guess that it's KMail
[09:25] <assid> btw.. someone may want to check out the kubuntu dvds'
[09:25] <stdin> assid: right click it, click configure panel -> taskbar and uncheck "show windows from all desktops"
[09:25] <dougb> sweettooth: is it not installed in kubuntu?
[09:26] <assid> i kept getting that stupid squashfs issues.. and the cd image works
[09:26] <parsnip> stdin: my mistake it was jhutchins who confused me, my apologies
[09:26] <stdin> elite101: usually that the initrd.img isn't beeing loaded
[09:26] <elite101> whats that?
[09:26] <elite101> how do i fix that? im running off the live cd
[09:27] <dougb> nevermind i found it
[09:27] <elite101> do i have to do a re-install?
[09:27] <elite101> again?
[09:28] <jhutchins> parsnip: In debian-based systems, only runlevels 1 and 6 differ from the default.
[09:28] <jhutchins> parsnip: runlevel 3 is the same as 5 is the same as 2.
[09:29] <parsnip> runnlevel 3 doesnt start the x server
[09:29] <ShockValue> ummm.. i have a proccess called pscan2 running at like 100% cpu.  it sounds dangerous from google.. have i been rooted or something?
[09:29] <jhutchins> parsnip: It does in ubuntu.
[09:29] <jhutchins> parsnip: What other distributions have you run?
[09:30] <elite101>  [ 30.343271]  Kernelpanic- not syncing: VFS : unable to mount FS unknown wn-block(0,0)  how do i fix this?
[09:30] <parsnip> mandriva, suse, knoppix
[09:30] <jhutchins> parsnip: Ok, in mandriva and suse they have the standard runlevels defined, and 3 is everything-but-X.
[09:30] <jhutchins> parsnip: Knoppix is debian based and all runlevels are the same, just like ubuntu.
[09:31] <elite101>  [ 30.343271]  Kernelpanic- not syncing: VFS : unable to mount FS unknown wn-block(0,0)
[09:31] <assid> okay is it me.. or is my graphics card too bad for opengl stuff ?
[09:31] <parsnip> jhutchins: im learning every day
[09:31] <jhutchins> parsnip: You can MAKE a debian-based system work like those other systems by setting different services to run in different runlevels, but by default they're the same.
[09:31] <parsnip> jhutchins: very strange, why does it not have them
[09:31] <assid> geforce fx 5200.. and opengl based screensavers for example have major loads
[09:31] <parsnip> assid: what you got?
[09:31] <vzduch> jhutchins: would be new if it were like this in Knoppix.. afaik there is a cheatcode 'knoppix 2' that starts in runlevel 2 (multi-user text mode)
[09:32] <jhutchins> parsnip: Or better yet, why does it have them but not use them?  I think the answer is that they're required for LSB compliance.
[09:32] <assid> parsnip: shouldnt be that bad right ?
[09:33] <jhutchins> All I know is that it's debian based.
[09:34] <Level15> hey. i've seen that solaris has some ssh-http-proxy-connect and ssh-socks-proxy-connect helper commands... but i can't find anything like that on my linux box. any ideas where can i get those?
[09:34] <parsnip> assid: just install the nvidia drivers. check http://ubuntu-tutorials.com/2007/02/06/install-beryl-on-ubuntu-feisty-with-aiglx-for-nvidia-ubuntu-704/
[09:35] <elite101> help my xbox burnt out my tv
[09:35] <elite101> my xbox made my tv go green
[09:35] <elite101> it wont change
[09:36] <Level15> elite101: burn your xbox
[09:36] <Level15> :P
[09:36] <assid> parsnip: deb http://ubuntu.beryl-project.org feisty main works for kubuntu as well right?
[09:36] <elite101> okay
[09:36] <elite101> i need help
[09:36] <elite101>  [ 30.343271]  Kernelpanic- not syncing: VFS : unable to mount FS unknown wn-block(0,0)
[09:36] <elite101> this keeps on comming up
[09:36] <elite101> when i boot
[09:36] <parsnip> assid: as long as it has the nvidia package - yes
[09:36] <Level15> elite101: have you messed up with your partitions recently?
[09:36] <elite101> nope
[09:36] <Level15> sure? not even from windows?
[09:37] <elite101> i just a reinstall yesteday
[09:37] <elite101> no windows on this hdd
[09:37] <Level15> and it worked yesterday?
[09:37] <elite101> yeah today too
[09:37] <Level15> hm
[09:37] <Level15> weird
[09:37] <Level15> ok
[09:37] <elite101> i go to reboot and it says that
[09:37] <assid> hrmm gotta wait for adept to finish downloading..
[09:37] <Level15> do you have a cd?
[09:37] <elite101> kubuntu 6.0.6.1 sucks
[09:37] <elite101> yeah
[09:37] <phoenixz> Hi there! I had a P4 computer with a 320GB SATA drive with a kubuntu installation, and I just got a new Intel motherboard, with a dualcore pentium.. I changed the mobo, connected everything correctly, restarted, and the bios tells me there are no boot devices, even though the SATA drive is connected.. if I connect another drive, it does boot.. If I switch back to the older motherboard, the 320GB drive suddenly does boot.. Does anybody have an idea how I c
[09:37] <phoenixz> an solve this problem??
[09:38] <Level15> elite101: boot off it and try to fix grub
[09:38] <Level15> i think there's a mode for that
[09:38] <elite101> ohh how?
[09:38] <Level15> recovery mode or something like that
[09:38] <elite101> im on the live cd rite now
[09:38] <Level15> ok
[09:38] <Level15> then
[09:38] <Level15> hm
[09:39] <Level15> is the / and /boot partition mounted?
[09:39] <elite101> what ?
[09:39] <elite101> im not sure
[09:39] <elite101> how do i check?
[09:39] <elite101> gparted
[09:39] <Level15> no...
[09:39] <Level15> open a konsole, type "mount"
[09:40] <stdin> elite101: what kernel version have you got?
[09:40] <elite101> 2.6?
[09:40] <elite101> or 2.4
[09:40] <elite101> i think 6
[09:41] <elite101> kubuntu dapper KDE 3.5.2 6.06.1 LTS
[09:41] <stdin> elite101: need the full version, 2.6.XX-XX-XXX
[09:42] <nfoonf> hi
[09:43] <stdin> elite101: is it 2.6.15-28-386 ?
[09:43] <elite101> how do i check?
[09:43] <elite101> not sure
[09:43] <boris__> were do I DOWNLOAD BIN2ISO PACKAGE
[09:43] <stdin> elite101: you'd need to mount your root partition and look in boot/
[09:43] <nfoonf> Folks, does anyone of you know, whats up with kde 4 beta 1 Packages in Feisty Backports?
[09:43] <boris__> need it for bin file
[09:44] <elite101> how?
[09:44] <stdin> !iso
[09:44] <ubotu> To mount an ISO disc image, type  sudo mount -o loop <ISO-filename> <mountpoint>  - There is a list of useful cd image conversion tools at http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/CD_Image_Conversion - Always verify the ISO using !MD5 before !burning.
[09:44] <elite101> err i dont have a iso?
[09:44] <elite101> its a HDD
[09:44] <stdin> nfoonf: ask in -devel
[09:44] <stdin> elite101: that wasn't for you
[09:44] <nfoonf> stdin, thx
[09:44] <stdin> elite101: type "sudo fdisk -l" in konsole and post that to pastebin
[09:44] <vzduch> boris__: what .bin file?
[09:45] <elite101> whats pastebin?
[09:45] <vzduch> boris__: are you sure it's a CD image?
[09:45] <stdin> !pastebin | elite101
[09:45] <ubotu> elite101: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[09:45] <stdin> vzduch: some cd images are in bin/cue format, VCD for instance usually are
[09:46] <boris__> Allman Brothers Band 9-23-70.bin
[09:46] <boris__> this
[09:46] <boris__> no it is noot
[09:46] <vzduch> stdin: I know, that's why I ask
[09:47] <ubuntu> can anyone help me?
[09:47] <stdin> !anyone | ubuntu
[09:47] <ubotu> ubuntu: A large amount of the first questions asked in this channel start with "Does anyone/anybody..."  Why not ask your next question (the real one) and find out?
[09:47] <elite101> omg screw it i wil just do another install it prob wont work anyways if i try to fix it
[09:48] <assid> brb..
[09:48] <parsnip> elite101: boot  to the live environment and burn your mp3s and porn to dvd
[09:48] <boris__> vzduch
[09:48] <parsnip> elite101: then reinstall
[09:48] <ubuntu> can anyone help me with a, mabey simple, g++ konsole compiling?
[09:48] <stdin> ubuntu: have you installed build-essential ?
[09:48] <parsnip> sup ubuntu
[09:49] <ubuntu> i dont know how to answer this
[09:49] <ubuntu> no
[09:49] <stdin> ubuntu: you need that package to compile anything
[09:49] <ubuntu> but ive compiled simpleer one file projects with g++ alreaady successfully
[09:49] <ubuntu> no
[09:49] <ubuntu> wrong
[09:50] <stdin> yes, right, it depends on everythig you'll need
[09:50] <ubuntu> im sorry excuse me
[09:50] <ubuntu> i just need to include all the files in my project directory
[09:51] <stdin> ubuntu: if you want c++ help, there's ##c++
[09:51] <ubuntu> hi parsnip
[09:51] <parsnip> ubuntu: wassup man
[09:51] <ubuntu> thanks everyone youve been so much help
[09:51] <Level15> ubuntu: create a single file which includes them all (call it all.h or whatever) then include it on every file ;)
[09:52] <ubuntu> wanna make security scripts together?
[09:52] <jhutchins> ubuntu: Would a guide to compiling software on ubuntu be useful to you?
[09:52] <ubuntu> parsnip
[09:52] <ubuntu> i guess a document on compiling projects would be some help
[09:53] <jhutchins> !build | ubuntu
[09:53] <ubotu> ubuntu: Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for pre-built !packages first: not all !repositories are enabled by default!)
[09:53] <rjb> dang, networkmanager doesn't like my wifi adapter
[09:54] <ubuntu> can you make it like you?
[09:54] <ubuntu> is there any brute force li8king available?
[09:54] <ubuntu> can you call the better business bearuo if it doesnt like you?
[09:55] <ubuntu> can i create a stampede of better busness bearuoue callers to make computers in general like me?
[09:55] <ubuntu> me or you?
[09:55] <rjb> i mean writing a simple /etc/network/interfaces makes it work right away, but networkmanager seems unable to cope with it
[09:55] <ubuntu> can i create a stampede of better busness bearuoue callers to make computers in general like me?
[09:55] <ubuntu> ive had two ubuntu computers die on me, can somebody help me?
[09:56] <ubuntu> ive had two ubuntu computers die on me, can somebody help me?
[09:56] <rjb> and by 'die' you mean?
[09:56] <ubuntu> slow, wont install , wont adept, slow slow , ajuta dies on me
[09:56] <ubuntu> .....................................................
[09:57] <jhutchins> ubuntu: Looks like you'd rather complain than solve the problems.
[09:57] <ubuntu> gets worse, gets slower, less functionality, basicly computers evolving into high proced junk heaps
[09:57] <elite101> lol wow someone setup a cluster of PS2's (playstation2's) and use's them as a "supercomputer" wich contains 70 ps2's linked together in one cluster
[09:57] <ubuntu> i canty solve a broken computer
[09:57] <ubuntu> i just cant
[09:57] <elite101> jeEz imagine 70 ps3's linked together
[09:57] <ubuntu> too much
[09:58] <BluesKaj> ubuntu do you have a specific question , or are just here to vent ?
[09:58] <ubuntu> the only thing i can think to do is write a backup scriopt that tells me if any file has changed size on me
[09:58] <rjb> ubuntu: get professional help, maybe?
[09:59] <beobal> hi - can anybody help me with dual monitor setup on intel 945?
[09:59] <beobal> 2 days of googling has proved fruitless
[10:01] <ubuntu> how do i write a bash script that will store file sizes for all file on my computer?
[10:01] <elite101> lol all the ps2's linked to gether equal up one gigaflop!!
[10:02] <fdoving> ubuntu: there are already programs that does that.
[10:02] <ubuntu> could you mabey give me a clue to which file this is?
[10:02] <fdoving> ubuntu: you can checkout systraq and tripwire atleast
[10:03] <ubuntu> are they on ubuntu, or do i have to go on the stupidnet to go find them?
[10:04] <fdoving> ubuntu: they are in the universe repository
[10:04] <ubuntu> i dont even install linux anymore, because my die if i do
[10:05] <ubuntu> my computer fail all over me when i do
[10:05] <rjb> ubuntu: if linux is giving you a bad time, just lay it off and get yerself a mac
[10:06] <ubuntu> my father is going to buy me one next week
[10:06] <ubuntu> 36th computer<
[10:06] <parsnip> ubuntu: thats crazy
[10:06] <ubuntu> i cant even make a grade on a microsoft prodioct on apple
[10:07] <parsnip> ubuntu: i still have all my old rigs doing little jobs for me :)
[10:09] <ubuntu> how do you find out if a hacker is logged into you?
[10:10] <stdin> hacker != cracker
[10:10] <ubuntu> how do you find out if a hacker is logged into you?
[10:10] <Tomi-idle> lol
[10:11] <Tomi-idle> but the tv says they're hackers!
[10:11] <ubuntu> how do you find out if a computer raper is logged into you?
[10:11] <stdin> the TV is wrong
[10:11] <Tomi-idle> check if theres another login first ..
[10:11] <fdoving> ubuntu: 'sudo aptitude install chkrootkit;sudo chkrootkit', might work.
[10:11] <stdin> ubuntu: we aren't blind, we can read, stop repeating
[10:12] <ubuntu> i dont think im ready to install and use root knowledge driven utilities
[10:13] <DaSkreech> ubuntu: You will never be ready until you do
[10:13] <Aranel> Hi, I installed 2.6.22.1 kernel from http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=311158&highlight=kernel  article. But i have a problem with X. My new kernel doesn't start X. In this article, in "nvidia troubleshooting", It says "5. Re-run the NVIDIA installer" , how i can run it ? I'm used sudo apt-get remove nvidia-glx new and sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx-new, but it doesnt work.
[10:13] <rjune> DaSkreech: is that like you will never be ready for sex until you have it?
[10:13] <DaSkreech> rjune: Fairly close
[10:13] <jenny_> Question: Can I get wine to open Juno Linspire on Kubuntu?
[10:14] <stdin> Aranel: you have to download and insall from nvidia.com, the packages won't work with a non-ubuntu kernel
[10:14] <DaSkreech> rjune: Though sex may be riskier
[10:14] <elite101_> rrr
[10:14] <rjune> arguably it's more enjoyable though
[10:14] <elite101_> there
[10:14] <elite101_> my internet dissconected im on slow wireless
[10:16] <Level15> ping?
[10:16] <DaSkreech> rjune: You argue your way I'll argue mine ;)
[10:16] <Aranel> stdin: "the packages" ? all of packages or just nvidia's drivers ?
[10:16] <ubuntu> everytime i go to the nine inch nails site, my computer dies
[10:16] <ubuntu> evenkubuntu computers
[10:17] <stdin> Aranel: any "driver" package won't work, others will
[10:17] <Aranel> stdin: umm :(
[10:18] <rjune> ubuntu_: that should clue you in that Nine Inch Nails are evil crackers trying to destroy your computer
[10:19] <DaSkreech> ubuntu: Dies?
[10:19] <ubuntu> dies
[10:19] <DaSkreech> Have to reboot dies?
[10:20] <ubuntu> turns into a piece of junk
[10:20] <DaSkreech> Alt+Ctrl+F1 Doesn't work dead?
[10:20] <ubuntu> junk
[10:20] <jhutchins> DaSkreech: Ignore him, he's just trolling.
[10:20] <ubuntu> whats trolling?
[10:21] <DaSkreech> !troll
[10:21] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about troll - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:21] <DaSkreech> Drat :)
[10:21] <jenny_> Anyone know about getting wine to open Juno Linspire on Kubuntu?
[10:22] <stdin> jenny_: what is it?
[10:23] <edulix> hi
[10:23] <jenny_> I have to get Juno to work on here, no ifs and or butts about it. i dont want to pay for linspire or switch to freespire etc, i want wine to run it
[10:23] <ubuntu> how do i start and stop my xserver?
[10:23] <edulix> I have vlc and w32codecs installed, but I see videos "pixelated"
[10:24] <edulix> I have exactly the same versions of both packages in other ubuntu pc and the videos lok fine there
[10:24] <stdin> !X | ubuntu
[10:24] <ubotu> ubuntu: The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type  sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart  in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[10:24] <edulix> and the vlc settings: the default ones
[10:24] <edulix> can someone please enlighten me?
[10:35] <ubuntu> can anyone help me with a g++ compile?
[10:37] <assid> heya
[10:37] <assid> i cant seem to get the damn beryl to work
[10:37] <assid> can someone help me
[10:38] <assid> now the opengl screensavers have disappeared too
[10:38] <ubuntu> help me first
[10:39] <assid> err.. brbr.. gonna try something
[10:39] <nosrednaekim> ubuntu_: there are no "firsts"
[10:39] <nosrednaekim> if someone can help you, they will
[10:40] <DaSkreech> ubuntu: and you may want to be more specific
[10:40] <ubuntu> im trying to compile a project with g++, and i dont know how to make the compiler find the other code files in the same diorectory
[10:41] <ubuntu> how do i link the other cpp and h files in the build?
[10:41] <george> the easiest way is to use an IDE :)
[10:41] <ubuntu> i dont want to
[10:41] <ubuntu> i want to use the g++ command line to do it
[10:42] <stdin> ubuntu: ##c++
[10:42] <ubuntu> o yeah, sorry
[10:45] <Goliath23> hi
[10:46] <Goliath23> could someone with 7.04 feisty please tar his /etc/apt directory and put it on a webspace for me?
[10:47] <DaSkreech> Goliath23: I'm sorry why?
[10:47] <ce> is it possible to change the creation date on a file?
[10:48] <Goliath23> DaSkreech: i have an up to date system but my adept_manager still shows the old style of managing repositories (as known from dapper) ... I want the dialog based one. and the only explanation I have for it, is, that it might not be able to parse the files in /etc/apt and falls back to the line-based editing of sources..
[10:49] <nosrednaekim> ce: yeah, rename it, then delete the original, and then rename it back to the original (of course that will only change the time to the present
[10:50] <Goliath23> nosrednaekim: touch <filename> would have the same effect
[10:50] <nosrednaekim> I thought touch simply created a new file?
[10:50] <ce> no chance to specify a date?
[10:51] <nosrednaekim> ce: read "man touch"
[10:51] <ce> ah, ok.. thre it is
[10:51] <ce> thanks
[10:52] <DaSkreech> Goliath23: You have to install a package to get the new way of doing it
[10:53] <DaSkreech> Goliath23: it's just a preference
[10:54] <Goliath23> oh really?
[10:54] <Goliath23> which one?
[10:55] <Goliath23> DaSkreech: any idea which paket that is?
[10:56] <Goliath23> ahh
[10:56] <Goliath23> software-properties-kde
[10:56] <DaSkreech> Goliath23: softwareproperties-kde
[10:56] <DaSkreech> Dang
[10:56] <DaSkreech> Yeah :)
[10:56] <Goliath23> cool, thanks
[10:57] <Goliath23> its actually a dependency of kubuntu-desktop, which I didn't have installed, probably because I removed ktorrent the other day..
[10:59] <Tomi-idle> how to boot to kde4 instance? gutsy
[11:00] <Tomi-idle> instance ---- session .. lol. too much WoW
[11:01] <x_link> Doesn't Kubuntu 7.04 have GIMP?
[11:01] <Tomi-idle> sudo apt-get install gimp
[11:01] <Tomi-idle> or thru adept
[11:01] <Goliath23> x_link: it has, you probably have to install it
[11:01] <Tomi-idle> it's a gtk application. kde is based on qt
[11:01] <x_link> Tomi-idle: I don't find it in my K Menu, that's why I asked.
[11:03] <Goliath23> x_link: have you installed it? if yes, it should appear in your k-menu
[11:04] <MADZ> hi guys
[11:04] <x_link> Goliath23: Now I have yeah, but before. I thought GIMP was pre-installed. That's why I wanted to ask before I started searching/installing =)
[11:04] <x_link> Goliath23: Thanks!
[11:05] <Goliath23> okay :)
[11:05] <Goliath23> x_link: krita is the kde graphics application that gets preinstalled.
[11:05] <su-hoens`rZ> anyone know why the kubuntu alt cd installer doesn't locate 3 of my 4 sata drives even though the bios and the main cd find them fine? :(
[11:06] <fdoving> su-hoens`rZ: might want to ask that in #ubuntu-devel
[11:06] <su-hoens`rZ> fdoving thanks... didn't know about that chan :)
[11:07] <fdoving> su-hoens`rZ: it's mainly for development-things, don't be scared if they tell you to shut up and go to a support channel.. but they probably know more about debian-installer.
[11:07] <su-hoens`rZ> fdoving hehe thanks for the heads up :)
[11:13] <BluesKaj> i know that uname -a gives the kernel version , what's the cmnd for the distro version?
[11:13] <Ace2016> whats the difference between uname -r and -a?
[11:14] <Ace2016> oh it gives the date and time of compile
[11:14] <Ace2016> and also says SMP, wonder why
[11:14] <fdoving> BluesKaj: lsb_release -a
[11:15] <BluesKaj> uname -r = 2.6.20-16-generic , uname -a 2.6.20-16-generic #2 SMP Thu Jun 7 20:19:32 UTC 2007 i686 GNU/Linux
[11:18] <BluesKaj> running gutsy now ...had a successful install ...all seems fine so far
[11:19] <Tomi-idle> hey. is there a gutsy package for the oxygen theme for kde4?
[11:19] <Kernel> BluesKaj: cat /etc/release should tell you too...
[11:19] <Kernel> not sure if its on EVERY distro
[11:20] <BluesKaj> nope
[11:20] <Kernel> ok
[11:20] <rjb> cat /etc/issue
[11:20] <rjb> for debian and derivates
[11:20] <Kernel> ah i tried it on mandriva
[11:22] <sahin_h> Is Somebody know what is the keyboard shortcut of the kde4 desktopgrid effect?
[11:22] <BluesKaj> I have gutsy installed , can tell by the behavior of the login and the cli , but lsb_release -a says it's feisty
[11:23] <Assid> heya
[11:23] <BluesKaj> strange
[11:23] <BluesKaj> strange
[11:24] <fdoving> BluesKaj: are all packages up2date?
[11:24] <BluesKaj> fdoving i would think , just ran it an hr ago
[11:24] <BluesKaj> how to check ?
[11:25] <fdoving> BluesKaj: run 'sudo aptitude update && sudo aptitude dist-upgrade' from a konsole
[11:25] <BluesKaj> yeah that's the cmnd i used , fdoving
[11:26] <Goliath23> somehow my KDM has fallen back to the english keyboard setting. any idea how I can fix that?
[11:26] <Ace2016> sahin_h: try in #kde
[11:27] <sahin_h> Ace2016: Ok, I will.
[11:27] <DaSkreech> X_link: YOu can try krita
[11:28] <Assid> anyone here know how to keep thunderbird always updated with kubuntu ?
[11:28] <Ace2016> Goliath23: did you try in kcontrol
[11:29] <Assid> and in beryl .. how to get the desktop cube to only show the screen as is.. instead of it growing up.. and showing all the windows like vista's flip 3d?
[11:29] <Ace2016> Goliath23: Alt+F2 and run kdesu kcontrol, then go into System Administration > Login Manager at the bottom there is a thing called local, change that
[11:30] <Aranel> Assid: Beryl doesn't have "Flip 3D" effect. Compiz Fusion have.
[11:30] <devnull> Whats the best way to use a vnc server with kde? I need to access my linux box from a windows box
[11:30] <Ace2016> ssh?
[11:31] <Assid> Aranel: okay how do i disable that ? so the windows dont stackup ?
[11:31] <Assid> im not using compiz window manager
[11:31] <devnull> Ace2016: Yes I COULD use ssh, but I would rather do it in a gui interface.
[11:31] <Ace2016> Assid: well you have to get it if you want vista's flip3d thing
[11:31] <Aranel> Assid: I don't know. I think there is an option in Beryl Manager.
[11:32] <Assid> Ace2016: well.. im not getting the flip3d itself.. it only shows up in the cube
[11:33] <Ace2016> what are you trying to do with that cube?
[11:33] <Assid> well.. as soon as i get the cube.. the windows start stacking up..
[11:34] <Ace2016> like they are sticking out of the cube?
[11:34] <Assid> yes
[11:34] <Ace2016> Beryl Manager > Visual Effects > 3D Effects, disable it
[11:35] <Ace2016> just tried it, very annoying
[11:35] <Assid> which option is it ?
[11:35] <Assid> err. space between right ?
[11:35] <Assid> k
[11:36] <Ace2016> worked?
[11:36] <Assid> yes
[11:36] <Assid> looks like
[11:36] <Ace2016> good
[11:36] <skeet> whenever i try to start beryl i just get a black screen
[11:37] <Assid> err.. how do i get beryl to be on startup
[11:38] <Ace2016> skeet: create a new text file in ~/.kde/Autostart/ called beryl-manager and put this into it:
[11:38] <Ace2016> #!/bin/bash
[11:38] <Ace2016> beryl-manager
[11:38] <Ace2016> 
[11:38] <Ace2016> make sure to have the blank line after beryl-manager
[11:38] <Ace2016> thats it
[11:39] <Ace2016> skeet: what is beryl running on? gfx card? using xgl or plain x? nvidia beta drivers or the ones from the distro? source of beryl, ubuntu or official beryl ones?
[11:39] <skeet> where is .kde located
[11:40] <Ace2016> skeet: in your home directory, its a hidden folder since it starts with a .
[11:40] <Ace2016> Alt+F2, type ~ and press enter, to get to your home dir, then View > Show Hidden Files
[11:41] <skeet> ok thanks i'll see if it works
[11:42] <Assid> hrmm.. apparently with all these effects.. stuff like copying a file can slow down.. if you move around too much
[11:42] <level1> Hi, I'm trying to get raid working on my computer.  I have 4 sata hard drives.  I set up raid in the bios, but qtparted just shows 4 real hard drives, no raid
[11:42] <level1> whats the trick?
[11:43] <Ace2016> Assid: even on my nvidia card it was slow, the second i ran beryl with xgl the speed increased a lot
[11:43] <su-hoens`rZ> anyone know why the kubuntu alt cd installer doesn't locate 3 of my 4 sata drives even though the bios and the main cd find them fine? :(
[11:43] <skeet> ummm .kde doesnt have a file called autostart
[11:43] <Ace2016> level1: well if it does not work in bios then use the alternative installer disk and setup a software raid
[11:43] <Assid> i think im using it with xgl
[11:43] <level1> Ace2016: I was hoping to get a hardware raid working, because I want to use windows and some other stuff on this computer
[11:44] <Ace2016> oh ok
[11:45] <level1> Ace2016: if I set up raid 5 in my bois (and I checked, its there) should I have to do something to get it to work?  Why doesn't the bios just present the raided hard drives as one hard drive?
[11:45] <Ace2016> skeet: its not a file, its a folder called Autostart, it starts with a capital for some reason
[11:45] <skeet> ok i'll check again
[11:46] <skeet> nope
[11:46] <skeet> nothin
[11:46] <Ace2016> skeet: make a dir called Autostart
[11:46] <skeet> in .kde?
[11:46] <Dragnslcr> Argh, what happened to my sound
[11:47] <Ace2016> yea
[11:47] <Dragnslcr> It was working fine yesterday, and I haven't changed any sound settings
[11:47] <Ace2016> Dragnslcr: stop working randomly?
[11:47] <skeet> ok h/o
[11:47] <Dragnslcr> Ace2016- seems like it
[11:48] <skeet> ok
[11:48] <Ace2016> mine does it too, i think its caused by arts hogging the sound device, so i ran sudo killall -9 artsd and sound worked again
[11:48] <Assid> it just crashed if i play with it :P
[11:48] <skeet> ok now what
[11:49] <Ace2016> level1: its the sameon my system, ubuntu did not see the drives as one they showed as different ones, i have up and used ubuntu with software raid 0 for root and raid 1 for /home and no raid for windows
[11:49] <Assid> skeet: dont forget to set the permissions for beryl-manager in your autostart to +x] 
[11:49] <Ace2016> skeet: what are you trying to run on startup?
[11:49] <Assid> +x even
[11:49] <level1> Ace2016:
[11:49] <level1> Ace2016: I just don't want to have to download another cd
[11:49] <skeet> im so confused
[11:49] <skeet> ok i just installed linux ubuntu
[11:49] <skeet> and i wanted to get beryl
[11:49] <Assid> Ace2016: wheres the option to show the hidden directories ?
[11:49] <skeet> the matrix theme
[11:50] <Ace2016> View > Show hidden files
[11:50] <BluesKaj> Errors were encountered while processing: kdepim
[11:50] <Dragnslcr> Ace2016- that didn't seem to help. I even tried /etc/init.d/alsa-utils restart
[11:50] <Pazy> Grub is still getting the better of me :(
[11:50] <Assid> aah
[11:50] <skeet> and then i installed beryl and now whenever i try to use it i get a black screen
[11:51] <skeet> do i need a certain video card?
[11:51] <skeet> or what
[11:51] <Ace2016> i use nvidia, what do you use?
[11:51] <Assid> skeet: the better the video card.. the better it is
[11:51] <skeet> im usin a radeon 9550
[11:51] <Ace2016> and i run xgl with xgl but most people say i don't need it
[11:51] <Assid> Ace2016: someone should updte the guides.. it forgot to mention to change the driver from nv to nvidia
[11:51] <Ace2016> oh well that sucks
[11:52] <Assid> Ace2016: how the hell did you get xgl .. is it the same as glx ?
[11:52] <Ace2016> Assid: used apt-get install to install xserver-xgl
[11:54] <Ace2016> and then edited /etc/kde3/kdm/kdmrc, i changed   ServerCmd=/usr/bin/X -br  to ServerCmd=/usr/bin/Xgl -br -ac -accel glx:pbuffer -accel xv   and that was all i did
[11:54] <Ace2016> then restarted kdm and then it used xgl, then logged in and ran beryl-xgl
[11:54] <Assid> lots of performance difference ?
[11:55] <Ace2016> by the way the beryl in the ubuntu repository does not support xgl
[11:55] <Ace2016> i had to use the one from bery'l repo
[11:55] <Assid> oh crap.. k
[11:55] <skeet> so what do i do
[11:55] <Assid> Ace2016: would it be alot of performance difference?
[11:55] <Pazy> I i use Adept to uninstall Grub then reinstall it, should there be any ill effects? I need it to detect my WinXP as well
[11:55] <Ace2016> yea quite a bit
[11:55] <Assid> Ace2016: pm ?
[11:56] <Ace2016> ok
[11:56] <Dragnslcr> Ace2016- bleh, headphones work, but my regular speakers don't
[11:56] <skeet> hmmmmm
[11:56] <Dragnslcr> Ace2016- speakers use digital output, so that might be the problem, but I'm not sure how else to test
[11:57] <skeet> can someone pm me
[12:00] <skeet> ok so can someone help me out with this or am i screwed and just need to get windows xp?
[12:00] <su-hoens`rZ> lol skeet
[12:01] <su-hoens`rZ> i'm at the same point :D
[12:01] <skeet> lol
[12:01] <skeet> it sucks man
[12:01] <su-hoens`rZ> fkn soft raid doesn't work
[12:01] <skeet> ?
[12:01] <su-hoens`rZ> my drives aren't getting detected by the cd even though bios and the main installation cd work
[12:01] <su-hoens`rZ> and no one has an answer as to why
[12:01] <skeet> wow
[12:02] <skeet> its like this channel just turned into a ghost town
[12:02] <tomi> where do i find the oxygen them for kde4 beta1? running gutsy
[12:03] <Sanne> skeet: if it#s not kubuntu specific, try also in #ubuntu, more people there
[12:03] <Karti> Hi all
[12:03] <skeet> ok
[12:04] <Karti> su-hoens`rZ: What drives can't you see?
[12:04] <su-hoens`rZ> Karti 3 of my 4 sata drives
[12:05] <Karti> where have you looked?
[12:06] <su-hoens`rZ> Karti what do you mean?
[12:06] <Karti> Have you looked in System Settings in the Kmenu
[12:06] <su-hoens`rZ> Karti in the partitioner and fdisk
[12:06] <su-hoens`rZ> Karti i'm trying to install kubuntu
[12:07] <Karti> Ah.....sorry, are they raided or just individual disks?
[12:09] <su-hoens`rZ> Karti currently they're individual disks that i'm trying to software raid
[12:09] <su-hoens`rZ> but i can't raid the disk if kubuntu doesn't detect 3/4 :D
[12:10] <Karti> I'm afraid I have only used the bios and hardware raid
[12:10] <Karti> And then Kubuntu would only see it as the one drive
[12:11] <_da> I have both DVD and RW/Disc, which one do I use to listen to CDs?
[12:11] <Karti> _da: either should work
[12:11] <_da> ok, ty
[12:12] <reuv> hi, is there anyway to download php as a standalone program?
[12:12] <Karti> reuv: http://www.php.net/downloads.php
[12:13] <Ace2016> reuv: i guess you could download it and compile it and use --prefix=/opt/myphp/ or something like that
[12:13] <su-hoens`rZ> Karti bleh yeah
[12:13] <su-hoens`rZ> i thought my bios supported raid, but apparently it doesn't.... it's super weird tbh i've never seen anything like it
[12:13] <reuv> ok, i was hoping they already had it in one of the repositories
[12:14] <Karti> su-hoens`rZ: have you raided them already? or are you trying to raid them with Kubuntu prior to install?
[12:14] <Ace2016> su-hoens`rZ: well it depends on fake raid or real raid, http://linux-ata.org/faq-sata-raid.html
[12:14] <su-hoens`rZ> Karti i'm trying to raid them
[12:15] <Assid> err.. whats the command for having the kmenu update itself?
[12:15] <_da> Karti, what part of the country are you from ,just curious
[12:15] <su-hoens`rZ> Ace2016 well i haven't done any raiding on the bios side at all
[12:15] <su-hoens`rZ> i'm just trying to get my drives recognized, which they are in bios and normal cd, but not in the alt cd
[12:15] <Karti> at the moment I'm near Devizes
[12:15] <_da> is that near Boston?