[12:32] <Pici> opop: Sounds like something changed in your xwindows setup, compiz-fusion and beryl are nearly the same thing.
[12:32] <opop> X is fine, same xorg.conf.
[12:33] <opop> i'll tweak a thing or two.  maybe take out the allowglxwithcomposite argument.
[12:40] <opopanax> no es goodo
[12:41] <opopanax> ah, wonderful.  no beryl in gutsy.  fuck my ass, what else?
[12:42] <opopanax> omg, i'm so sorry
[12:42] <opopanax> wc
[12:42] <PriceChild> opopanax, beryl does not exist anymore
[12:42] <opopanax> ok, cool.
[12:43] <opopanax> i'm wondering what's up with my config, then...
[12:43] <opopanax> ah well, i'm sure it will all work out in the end.
[12:46] <opopanax> any reason the 3d windows didn't make it from beryl, anyone know?
[12:47] <crdlb> opopanax, needs a core patch to work properly
[12:47] <crdlb> compiz core that is
[12:47] <Takeya|Ikuhara> isn't beryl that theme thing?
[12:47] <crdlb> once that patch is in core, 3d will be put into a plugin pack
[12:47] <Takeya|Ikuhara> like xgl?
[12:47] <opopanax> i see.
[12:48] <opopanax> well, like beryl.
[12:48] <crdlb> you can already get it from gitweb and compile it yourself, but it has issues
[12:48] <Takeya|Ikuhara> i'm new to this and how do you get xgl on ububtu?
[12:48] <opopanax> xgl's long dead, too, right?
[12:48] <Takeya|Ikuhara> really?
[12:48] <crdlb> no
[12:48] <Takeya|Ikuhara> oh yeah
[12:49] <crdlb> Xgl isn't dead but most people don't need it
[12:49] <Takeya|Ikuhara> isn't beryl the new xgl?
[12:49] <crdlb> no
[12:49] <opopanax> that's right, it was an abstraction layer, right?
[12:49] <Takeya|Ikuhara> hmmm
[12:49] <crdlb> Xgl, AIGLX, and nvidia's thing are platforms that composite manager like beryl and compiz can run on
[12:49] <Takeya|Ikuhara> i want those special feature that xgl has
[12:49] <Takeya|Ikuhara> the cube and all
[12:49] <opopanax> the linux 3d desktop has come a long way.
[12:50] <crdlb> yeah exactly, Xgl is an abstraction layer
[12:50] <Takeya|Ikuhara> i've used the packet manager
[12:50] <Takeya|Ikuhara> i have the beryl core
[12:50] <Takeya|Ikuhara> but
[12:50] <Takeya|Ikuhara> i'm so lost
[12:50] <Pici> Takeya|Ikuhara: Are you running on Gutsy?
[12:50] <Takeya|Ikuhara> ....uhhh
[12:50] <Takeya|Ikuhara> no....clue
[12:50] <crdlb> !version
[12:50] <ubotu> To find out what version of Ubuntu you have, type  lsb_release -a  in a !shell
[12:50] <opopanax> ruh roh.
[12:50] <Takeya|Ikuhara> !version
[12:51] <opopanax> !versin
[12:51] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about versin - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:51] <Takeya|Ikuhara> hmm
[12:51] <opopanax> !version
[12:51] <crdlb> :/
[12:51] <Pici> Takeya|Ikuhara: just read what ubotu said
[12:51] <opopanax> lol
[12:51] <Takeya|Ikuhara> !shell lsb_release -a
[12:51] <crdlb> ...
[12:51] <opopanax> !shell lsb_release -a
[12:51] <Takeya|Ikuhara> uhh
[12:51] <crdlb> open a terminal
[12:52] <opopanax> i guess I don't have bangy goodness plugged in.
[12:52] <Takeya|Ikuhara> oh
[12:52] <opopanax> where can I replace metacity with emerald?
[12:53] <crdlb> opopanax, those aren't comparable
[12:53] <crdlb> metacity is a window manager, emerald is a decorator for compiz
[12:53] <Takeya|Ikuhara> Distributor ID: Ubuntu
[12:53] <Takeya|Ikuhara> Description:    Ubuntu 7.04
[12:53] <Takeya|Ikuhara> Release:        7.04
[12:53] <Takeya|Ikuhara> Codename:       feisty
[12:53] <Takeya|Ikuhara> that's what i got
[12:54] <Pici> Takeya|Ikuhara: This is the channel for the development version of Ubuntu, you'd be better off asking compiz/beryl/xgl questions in #ubuntu-effects and general Ubuntu questions in #ubuntu
[12:54] <opopanax> i know what it is.  I guess I'm asking, where do I change the command line from compiz to compiz --replace emrald
[12:54] <Spangle> my god
[12:54] <crdlb> opopanax, ccsm: window decoration> commmand
[12:54] <Spangle> so many channels
[12:54] <opopanax> ... so little time...heh
[12:54] <Spangle> all i want is something like xgl on my ububtu
[12:55] <Pici> Spangle: This isnt the right channel to ask, you'd get a much faster reply in those channels I mentioned.
[12:55] <opopanax> spangle:  try beryl in feisty, or go cutting edge and look for the feisty compiz-fusion howto in the forums.
[12:57] <opopanax> hah!  thank you, crdlb
[12:57] <Spangle> hmm
[12:57] <opopanax> couldn't find it at first.
[12:58] <opopanax> "emerald --replace" should do it, yeah?
[12:58] <Spangle> opopanax, beryl in fiesty? o_O
[12:58] <opopanax> i had it a week ago.  it's in universe, even.
[12:58] <Spangle> o_O
[12:58] <opopanax> i know, i was shocked meself
[12:59] <Spangle> so
[12:59] <opopanax> so...
[12:59] <Spangle> cool
[12:59] <Spangle> so.. i sleep more than is required for a human being? what do you want from me?
[12:59] <Spangle> i'm already in the ubuntu-effects channel
[01:00] <opopanax> heh...nothing
[01:00] <Spangle> i don't think
[01:00] <Spangle> there's anyone there
[01:00] <Spangle> ;_;
[01:02] <PriceChild> compiz (+fusion) on gutsy really seems to struggle a lot more than i remember beryl doing under high cpu load...
[01:03] <opopanax> PriceChild, yeah, i think i have to agree.  but  the new nvidia driver seems to be ok.
[01:03] <PriceChild> new nvidia driver?
[01:03] <opopanax> nvidia-glx-new
[01:03] <opopanax> not super new, right?
[01:03] <PriceChild> isn't it stil 9755...?
[01:07] <opopanax> PriceChild, yeah
[01:08] <PriceChild> that was in feisty...
[01:10] <opopanax> PriceChild, ok, wonderful.
[01:10] <opopanax> i wasn't aware of it till a little bit ago
[01:10] <crdlb> PriceChild, no gl yield helps with that
[01:10] <crdlb> ie __GL_YIELD="NOTHING"
[01:12] <opopanax> how do i set that?
[01:12] <crdlb> erm you could modify the wrapper script I guess
[01:30] <vlowther> arrgh -- iwl3945 == teh suck
[01:30] <opopanax> i love this channel.
[01:31] <vlowther> if I let the system try to unload the module going into suspend, the system beeps at me every 10 seconds forever complaining about reference counts.
[01:31] <vlowther> If I add it to MODULES_WHITELIST, it kills a core on my core duo
[01:32] <vlowther>  (the system still runs, though!)
[01:32] <vlowther> until I suspend/resume again, then kablooey
[01:32] <vlowther> something is horribly fscked up with locking in that driver.
[01:34] <vlowther> it was enough to drive me into actually booting the Vista partition. :(
[01:58] <opopanax> how do i change the dpi?  I'm getting suddenly that tiny-font issue
[02:10] <leperkhanz> Anyone know where I can get a 2.1.0 .deb for Pidgin?
[02:14] <crimsun> you can build one.
[02:15] <leperkhanz> getdeb.net is down, and last I was on they didn't have the most recent build.
[02:24] <RAOF> crdlb: The wrapper already sets __GL_YIELD
[02:24] <crdlb> oh
[02:24] <RAOF> It's just that the nvidia drivers suck under load.
[02:24] <RAOF> Yay binary blobs.
[02:25] <crdlb> ah I see it now
[02:27] <Amaranth> yay crappy drivers
[02:30] <snadge> it might not be the nvidia drivers.. it could be the schedular
[02:30] <snadge> latest linux kernel relaces SD schedular with CFS
[02:31] <snadge> which apparently improves 3d performance under load
[02:31] <crimsun> that's only applicable if you're using a self-compiled 2.6.23ish
[02:31] <snadge> might be worth looking into though
[02:41] <opopanax> this is fun...
[02:47] <leperkhanz> What's fun?
[02:47] <leperkhanz> When is the new scheduler going to show up in Update Manager?
[02:49] <RAOF> What new scheduler?
[02:49] <crimsun> ...it won't for gutsy.
[02:49] <crimsun> he means Linus merging CFS.
[02:49] <RAOF> Ah.=
[02:50] <RAOF> And the pluggable sheduling stuff.
[02:50] <crimsun> aye
[02:50] <RAOF> Yeah.  No matter how good an idea people on Ubuntuforums think it is, I don't think the kernel team feel that 2.6.23 is a good idea :)
[02:51] <crdlb> :P
[02:53] <vlowther> indeed -- andrew morton is probably bitching about all the half-assed patches people think _MUST_GO_IN_RIGHT_NOW!!!1! at this very instant. ;)
[03:03] <snadge> so the kernel is already frozen for gutsy?
[03:04] <snadge> why not use a new scheduler? :P
[03:04] <snadge> i think the reality is.. it makes very little diference
[03:04] <crdlb> what makes every little difference?
[03:04] <snadge> i mean.. who plays games with 6 shell scripts looping infinitely in the background anyway
[03:04] <crdlb> very*
[03:04] <stdin> the kernel isn't "frozen", but it won't move from the 2.6.22 branch
[03:05] <snadge> apparently theres lots of bugfixes and new drivers etc for 23
[03:05] <snadge> but im sure as always, theres regressions too.. one of those damned if you do, damned if you don't things
[03:06] <RAOF> Ding!
[03:06] <stdin> besides, it would be damn near impossible to test/debug .23 to a stable state in under 2 months
[03:07] <RAOF> The drivers have hopefully be backported with minimal disruption.
[03:07] <crimsun> but users want it, so it must be good!
[03:07] <RAOF> We should put automatix in ubuntu-desktop!
[03:07] <stdin> users don't always know what they really want ::p
[03:08] <stdin> and please don't put automatix in ubuntu-desktop or I'll have an aneurysm
[03:09] <avb> hi all
[03:09] <avb>  guys, can someody tell me what is a difference of configuration of a gnome-sccreensaver on livecd and oninstalled system?
[03:09] <crdlb> let's replace the restricted drivers manager with envy!
[03:10] <avb> i just copied livecd system to mine harddrive, coz installator was broken
[03:10] <avb> i dont think that this is a bug. just because of nonstandrart install
[03:10] <vlowther> o_O
[03:10] <snadge> the sad thing is that ati wont put aiglx into fglrx before gutsy release.. no doubt
[03:11] <snadge> can i get a promise that if they do release it in time.. no matter how late in the development cycle it is.. its included? ;)
[03:11] <RAOF> Heh.
[03:11] <snadge> j/k
[03:12] <avb> snadge: it will be in next LTS
[03:12] <avb> :)
[03:12] <RAOF> Not a chance.  Also, you probably don't want to play with Composite+GL on fglrx for a year or so.  That's about how long it took nvidia to fix their stuff :)
[03:12] <snadge> sigh.. everythings always a year away, or in the next release
[03:13] <crdlb> they still haven't fixed their stuff :)
[03:13] <vlowther> if by "fix" you mean "crashes less often than you average reboot rate", then yes.
[03:13] <avb> use intel and be free from bugs
[03:13] <avb> and crashes
[03:13] <vlowther> hahahaha
[03:13] <snadge> and performance
[03:13] <snadge> ;)
[03:14] <avb> for me performance is perfect
[03:14] <avb> i945
[03:14] <avb> compiz works perfect
[03:14] <DanaG> And random BLINKing.
[03:14] <DanaG> Damn nvidia.
[03:14] <avb> and no blinking :)
[03:14] <snadge> thats terrible.. people whinging about nvidia's drivers
[03:14] <crdlb> intel++
[03:14] <DanaG> Oh yeah, HP sells even 17" notebooks with the option of the Intel IGP.
[03:14] <vlowther> ... and a pony?
[03:15] <snadge> i reckon their punishment should be to use an ATI card for a month
[03:15] <stdin> i get about 1200 FPS on i945 :)
[03:15] <avb> i'm using 1600x1200 in i945
[03:15] <avb> sometimes
[03:15] <snadge> something nice and crappy.. like an unsupported radeon 9200
[03:15] <snadge> with shared memory
[03:15] <avb> im happy with them
[03:15] <avb> as i was happy with i855gm before
[03:15] <DanaG> crimsun: is there any way to get the alsa-info.sh to give me a file, not a pastebin?
[03:15] <crdlb> snadge, what's wrong with a 9200?
[03:15] <RAOF> snadge: Hey, I'll take a 9200 off your hands!
[03:16] <RAOF> snadge: No binary blob?  Score!
[03:16] <DanaG> oops, I didn't realize you hadn't been talking for a while.
[03:16] <avb> nobody saw gnome-screensaver from inside?
[03:17] <avb> problem that i cant lock screen is realy annoying
[03:17] <snadge> RAOF: the one i've got is unsupported by radeon driver
[03:17] <avb> i need to carry my laptop with me even on lounch :)
[03:17] <snadge> something about not having access to how it does its memory registers or something
[03:17] <avb> because of this issue
[03:17] <crdlb> snadge, Xpress 200?
[03:18] <snadge> and then.. because its so old and crappy.. you have to use the "legacy" fglrx driver
[03:18] <vlowther> not that card.
[03:18] <vlowther> ew
[03:18] <snadge> which was released over a year ago
[03:19] <DanaG> Aargh, how do I get rid of the blinking?
[03:19] <RAOF> DanaG: Use nouveau.
[03:20] <DanaG> Can you run compiz-fusion on it?
[03:20] <DanaG> I'm willing to give it a try if it's reasonbly easy to compile and install.
[03:21] <RAOF> DanaG: Hell, no.  You can run glxgears on it, probably :)
[03:21] <RAOF> DanaG: And I'll have some packages in my PPA for it by the end of the week or so, if you'd like to test :)
[03:22] <avb>  /usr/lib/gnome-screensaver/gnome-screensaver-dialog
[03:22] <avb> ** (gnome-screensaver-dialog:7999): WARNING **: Screen locking disabled: running under GDM
[03:22] <avb> i find a problem
[03:23] <DanaG> [   23.092000]  NVRM: loading NVIDIA UNIX x86 Kernel Module  1.0-9755  Mon Feb 26 23:21:15 PST 2007
[03:23] <DanaG> OOps, I thought that would say my model.
[03:24] <RAOF> Heh, no :)
[03:24] <RAOF> You're after "lspci | grep VGA" :)
[03:25] <DanaG> or  lspci | grep VGA|awk -F: '{print $3}'|sed 's/ [a-Z] * Corporation // ; s/(.*)//g'
[03:25] <DanaG> G70 [GeForce Go 7600] 
[03:25] <DanaG> Duude, that's g73, not g70.  Durrh.
[03:25] <RAOF> Hey, that's my card.  You get good RENDER acceleration.
[03:25] <RAOF> G7x.
[03:25] <RAOF> Or, really, NV4x :)
[03:26] <RAOF> And a bunch of fun rendering bugs, but eh. :)
[03:26] <stdin> DanaG: hmm, where have I seen that command before ;)
[03:27] <DanaG> Beats me.... from you?
[03:27] <stdin> yep :p
[03:28] <mike> Greets, everyone
[03:29] <mike> could someone tell me what mesa-related packages i need to uninstall before installing mesa from git? i have libgl1-mesa-dev libgl1-mesa-dri libgl1-mesa-glx libglu1-mesa mesa-common-dev and mesa-utils installed (trying to get compiz-fusion running with the open-source driver and i was told the version of mesa i have isn't new enough for that)
[03:30] <mike> open-source *ati* driver
[03:30] <RAOF> mike: They lied.
[03:30] <mike> umm... ok
[03:30] <RAOF> Also, unistalling those mesa packages will remove half your system :)
[03:30] <mike> ohh. well, thanks for the tip. heh
[03:31] <mike> any ideas? i have direct rendering, but when i run "compiz --replace &" it just crashes X
[03:31] <RAOF> mike: Unless you've got a Xpress 200, I think.
[03:31] <mike> that's the one
[03:31] <crdlb> hehe
[03:31] <RAOF> What *is* your card.  Oh :(
[03:31] <mike> ?
[03:31] <mike> lol
[03:31] <DanaG> They're NOT the same!  NOT NOT NOT!
[03:31] <RAOF> crdlb: You shouldn't be suggesting mesa git!
[03:32] <RAOF> DanaG: Very very much so!
[03:32] <crdlb> err he wanted to get it working and I told him that's the only way
[03:32] <RAOF> Aaah.
[03:32] <RAOF> mike: Please don't break your system :)
[03:32] <DanaG> Oh yeah, what package holds the zd1211 firmwares?
[03:32] <RAOF> crdlb: Wouldn't he also need git drm?
[03:32] <crdlb> he said that he heard 2.6.22 was new enough
[03:33] <RAOF> Oh.  Maybe.
[03:33] <mike> RAOF: so i should just leave all those packages installed and install mesa and drm from git *over* them?
[03:33] <crdlb> no that wouldn't be good either
[03:33] <RAOF> mike: You should give up the dream of using an experimental driver :/
[03:33] <crdlb> mike, wait for adamk to come back, I think he does it in a safe way
[03:33] <crdlb> ie installing stuff to /opt
[03:33] <RAOF> Fglrx + Xgl should work for you.
[03:34] <mike> RAOF: Well, FGLRX runs terribly on this thing. can't switch to a tty session, and it hangs at reboot (it's a dual-boot system)
[03:34] <crdlb> wow I think most nvidia users have those problems :)
[03:34] <mike> crdlb: i never did
[03:34] <RAOF> mike: Yay for a binary blob even worse than
[03:34] <RAOF> nvidia's.
[03:34] <mike> (nvidia on the desktop, this is my grandfather's laptop)
[03:34] <DanaG> What's with that BLINKING?
[03:35] <vlowther> nVidia mind control technique.
[03:35] <DanaG> Or eyeball-poking.
[03:35] <RAOF> That's nvidia telling you to learn Xorg driver hacking, and fix nouveau :)
[03:36] <DanaG> Oh heck, even their Windows drivers are broken -- on Windows, battery is stuck at no-acceleration.
[03:36] <RAOF> Their plan is to slowly bring the nvidia drivers down to the level of fglrx, then discontinue it completely.
[03:36] <DanaG> I can't even select "Balanced".
[03:36] <crdlb> RAOF, haha
[03:36] <crdlb> they're getting awfully close :P
[03:36] <DanaG> And Vista drivers are worse.  Close lid.  Open lid.  Video driver crashes.
[03:36] <DanaG> Close lid.  Open lid.  Video driver crashes.
[03:37] <RAOF> It'll take a while for it to get as bad as fglrx, so they're guessing nouveau will be ready in time :)
[03:37] <vlowther> DanaG: no suprise, these are the same people who can't get their drivers+hardware to stop throwing STOP 0.EA errors in TEN YEARS.
[03:37] <DanaG> (it's reproducible easily, but you may need to wait a bit with it closed.)
[03:37] <crdlb> there's one thing I really like about fglrx over nvidia-glx
[03:37] <DanaG> On the plus side: for me, it recovers with naught but a 2-second freeze and blink.
[03:38] <DanaG> Now Creative... that's a whole different rant.
[03:38] <crdlb> even if the kernel module is broken, X still starts witn no direct rendering
[03:38] <crdlb> why can't nvidia do that?
[03:38] <DanaG> Once I managed to have my NVIDIA do something like that.
[03:38] <DanaG> I had a version mismatch, or something, but X still started -- with GLX missing.
[03:39] <RAOF> Because that would mean they'd need to use Xorg infrastructure, and everyone knows that Xorg infrastructure is vastly inferior to a custom-hacked nvidia job.
[03:39] <vlowther> bizzare -- X has always cratered when I inadvertenrly did that.
[03:39] <RAOF> Me too.
[03:39] <DanaG> Perhaps it was a libglx mismatch, not a kernel-xorg mismatch.
[03:39] <DanaG> I haven't been able to reproduce it.
[03:40] <DanaG> !noveau
[03:40] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about noveau - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:40] <vlowther> RAOF: well, that used to not be the case -- way back in the XFree days...
[03:40] <DanaG> waah.
[03:40] <crdlb> it's nouveau :)
[03:40] <DanaG> also needs a !seamlessvirtualization or a !seamlessrdp
[03:40] <vlowther> and once the decision is made, there is politics, and...
[03:40] <RAOF> vlowther: You mean, nvidia used XFree infrastructure?
[03:40] <DanaG> Though that acts odd for me: I get the full-desktop AAANnnndd the separate window.
[03:41] <vlowther> RAOF: no, that it sucked for what nVidia wanted, and it took an act of $deity to change anything.
[03:41] <RAOF> Aaah.
[03:42] <DanaG> Link me to a nouveau how-to, pleeaze!
[03:42] <DanaG> Will it be usable for compiz-fusion?
[03:42] <crdlb> no
[03:42] <RAOF> DanaG: http://nouveau.freedesktop.org/wiki/InstallNouveau , and no, c-f won't work
[03:42] <crdlb> will it work at all, probably not :P
[03:42] <vlowther> give it a year. :)
[03:42] <DanaG> s/Will/Is/  (oops, that's a worse sentence. )
[03:43] <RAOF> DanaG: Also, wait till the end of the week or so, and I should have a PPA full of nouveau packages for your edification.
[03:43] <vlowther> DanaG: no shiny for you!
[03:43] <DanaG> PPA?
[03:43] <crdlb> it's a new launchpad thing
[03:43] <RAOF> Personal Package Archive.  Basically, a personal buildd on launchpad.
[03:43] <RAOF> Everyone can make one!
[03:43] <DanaG> I see PPA, I think of cheap USB hard drive enclosures.
[03:44] <RAOF> ?
[03:46] <vlowther> no real suprise there. :)
[03:46] <DanaG> How about glxinfo on sis?
[03:47] <RAOF> Openchrome?
[03:47] <DanaG> I don't know what chipset.
[03:48] <RAOF> Oh, that's for Via, sorry.
[03:48] <crdlb> yeah there's *nothing* for SIS
[03:49] <DanaG> I think a good test of 3D ability is whether something can reasonably run rss-glx screensavers.
[03:49] <RAOF> Well, nouveau fails that test.
[03:50] <DanaG> I like the Flux screensaver, particularly -- except for when gnome-screensaver lets it run at something like 500 FPS.
[03:51] <DanaG> And now, for a completely different issue:    https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/111145
[03:51] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 111145 in linux-source-2.6.20 "sigmatel STAC9250 on ATI HDA SB on gateway laptop - no sound capture " [Low,Incomplete] 
[03:52] <DanaG> Though the report is for ATI southbridge, I have the same on my Intel laptop.
[04:09] <mike> I just compiled the latest ATI driver from GIT and got it up and running. I have direct rendering, but when I try to run "compiz --replace &", X crashes. This is on a Radeon Xpress 200M. Any ideas?
[04:10] <mrsno> oh dear a friend mistakenly upgraded his feisty to gutsy (i was talking him through installing 2.6.22 from gutsy)
[04:10] <mrsno> mike what happened when you used the restricted drivers? (not from git)
[04:11] <mike> mrsno: I'm trying to avoid using them at this point because they prevent me from getting to a tty session and make the system hang at reboot (it's a dual-boot system).
[04:12] <mrsno> hmm strange mike , i have once set up one of those graphics chipsets for someone before but it worked fine in edgy :/
[04:12] <mike> using FGLRX?
[04:12] <mrsno> yep
[04:13] <mike> hmm
[04:13] <mrsno> mike i noticed the developer of 'envy' has posted some tips for using it on gutsy, i haven't tried it myself and may cause breakage but its something to try i guess
[04:13] <crdlb> die envy die
[04:13] <mike> lol
[04:14] <mike> envy's no good?
[04:14] <mrsno> die closed source drivers :-<
[04:14] <mrsno> its one of a few options really
[04:14] <DanaG> I just use the official nvidia installer when I want newer drivers.
[04:15] <mrsno> well envy works for ati chips too, its a set of scripts so you can easily see what its doing and do it manually if required
[04:16] <mrsno> wonder how long before AMD open their drivers :o
[04:16] <DanaG> I think it'll be in 1.infinity years.
[04:16] <DanaG> Or simply in NaN years.
[04:17] <DanaG> Not a Number.
[04:17] <mrsno> recent additions to their drivers suspect something is up :o they have commited to opening more code but who knows when
[04:26] <DanaG> Let's play "Name That File System!"
[04:32] <mrsno> nn
[04:44] <DanaG> I veesh somebody would sell a laptop with switchable Intel and NVIDIA video cards.  Or rather, IGP and discrete.
[04:45] <crdlb> then you'd need to switch video drivers every time you flick the switch?
[04:45] <DanaG> Actually, it'd be far simpler for the OEM to design it to lock when power is on.
[04:45] <DanaG> That way it'd only be selectable before booting.
[04:45] <DanaG> That'd be fine for me -- Intel for Linux and NVIDIA for Windows.
[04:46] <crdlb> ah
[04:46] <crimsun> DanaG: it does.  See the debug file in /tmp
[04:47] <DanaG> Oh yeah, what's the latest version of that script?
[04:47] <mike> hrmm... this seems weird, although that could just be because of my ignorance - glxinfo reports "GLX_EXT_texture_from_pixmap" under server glx extensions, but compiz outputs "Checking for texture_from_pixmap: not present. Trying again with indirect rendering: Checking for texture_from_pixmap: present"
[04:48] <crimsun> that one.
[04:48] <crimsun> (.30)
[04:48] <DanaG> Aah, okay.  The one I noted in the bug report.
[04:48] <crdlb> mike, that's normal
[04:48] <mike> k
[04:48] <crdlb> with the free drivers t_f_p is only available with indirect rendering
[04:49] <mike> Oh ok
[04:50] <mike> it says "checking for nvidia: not present" and "checking for xgl: not present" makes no mention of aiglx, so should i assume it's not even trying to use that platform?
[04:51] <mike> no errors in the output at all, it just crashes X
[04:51] <crdlb> yes those git drivers broke
[04:52] <crdlb> that's not unexpected when building X things from git
[04:54] <mike> from Xorg.0.log - "(WW) AIGLX: 3D driver claims to not support visual 0x23" - 0x32. is that normal?
[04:54] <crdlb> yes
[04:54] <mike> k
[04:55] <mike> well, thanks a lot for all your help anyway crdlb. much appreciated.
[04:57] <mike> i'm out, peace.
[05:33] <snadge> mmm.. ham & cheese croissant and an apple slice from the local deli bakery
[05:38] <DanaG> I'd rather have a whole apple.
[05:38] <DanaG> And croissant.
[05:38] <snadge> oh you know what i mean.. a pastry slice thing
[05:38] <snadge> with sugary apple stuff in it
[05:39] <snadge> it probably did have a whole apple in it ;)
[05:39] <snadge> was big enough
[05:39] <DanaG> Oh, I saw "apple slice" as "a slice of an apple".
[06:09] <databuddy> 04:00.0 Mass storage controller: Promise Technology, Inc. PDC20267 (FastTrak100/Ultra100) (rev 02)
[06:09] <databuddy> gah thats where the thing shows up in lspci
[06:09] <databuddy> but why cant the bios see it ;_;
[06:28] <d4rkmonkey> Anyone help me with some wireless issues which are kernel related?
[06:30] <RAOF> !ask
[06:30] <ubotu> Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[06:33] <d4rkmonkey> RAOF, my wireless card works in  2.6.20-16-generic but not in the newest kernel, any idea why this could be? its not like its an old wireless card or anything
[06:34] <RAOF> d4rkmonkey: Do you have the linux-generic package installed?
[06:34] <d4rkmonkey> RAOF, I'll check, whats that?
[06:34] <RAOF> d4rkmonkey: The reason why you don't have wireless, probably :)
[06:35] <d4rkmonkey> RAOF, nope, it was isntalled
[06:35] <d4rkmonkey> *installed
[06:35] <d4rkmonkey> RAOF, my wireless works fine in an older kernel, this is weird...
[06:35] <RAOF> d4rkmonkey: It's a metapackage, that depends on all the appropriate kernel packages (l-r-m, l-u-m, etc)
[06:35] <RAOF> Hm.
[06:35] <RAOF> What card?
[06:35] <d4rkmonkey> RAOF, one second, I'll get you what lshw says
[06:36] <d4rkmonkey>   product: PRO/Wireless 3945ABG Network Connection                vendor: Intel Corporation
[06:36] <d4rkmonkey> RAOF, ^^ thats the card
[06:37] <RAOF> Ok.
[06:37] <RAOF> So, now, define "doesn' work"@
[06:37] <d4rkmonkey> RAOF, it just doesn't work at all. No "enable wireless" option. Its like its there but the system can't do anything with it.
[06:37] <crdlb> !doesn't work
[06:37] <ubotu> Doesn't work is a strong statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Is it on IRC all the time? Please be specific! Examples of what doesn't work tend to help too.
[06:38] <d4rkmonkey> crdlb, in this case it just doesn't work. Nothing to it though, it doesn't do anything in the newest kernel.
[06:38] <crdlb> I love that factoid, sorry
[06:38] <d4rkmonkey> lol
[06:38] <RAOF> Where would "enable wireless" be, exactly?
[06:38] <d4rkmonkey> RAOF, when you rightclick the network manager applet
[06:38] <RAOF> crdlb: It's a good factoid :)
[06:39] <RAOF> d4rkmonkey: So, what does "iwconfig" in a terminal say.
[06:39] <d4rkmonkey> I'm not in newest kernel ATM...
[06:39] <d4rkmonkey> give me a second to switch and I'll tell you
[06:39] <RAOF> K.
[06:43] <d4rkmonkey> RAOF, so you wanted to know what iwconfig says, right?
[06:44] <DShepherd> just being curious.. I am not on gutsy [and i shouldn't be :) ]  but can i switch modes with the laptop function key when connected to a projector or equivalent? again.. I am just curious..
[06:45] <DShepherd> on gutsy.. is this possible
[06:45] <d4rkmonkey> DShepherd, I thought it was possible in Feisty with some tinkering
[06:45] <DShepherd> d4rkmonkey, it is??!!
[06:45] <DShepherd> d4rkmonkey, point and i will follow
[06:45] <d4rkmonkey> DShepherd, google for your laptop, I'm not sure exactly how, my brother got it working on two laptops in my house...
[06:46] <d4rkmonkey> DShepherd, sorry I can't be more helpful.
[06:46] <DShepherd> d4rkmonkey, hmmm.... ok aight kool... know if gusty can do this without tinkering? :-)
[06:46] <RAOF> d4rkmonkey: yes
[06:46] <crdlb> DShepherd, what video card?
[06:46] <DShepherd> crdlb, nvidia
[06:46] <d4rkmonkey> RAOF, give me a second to put it in pastebin
[06:47] <RAOF> Yay
[06:47] <DShepherd> nVidia Corporation G70 [GeForce Go 7600
[06:47] <RAOF> d4rkmonkey: Or rather, does it detect any wireless extensions?
[06:47] <DShepherd> crdlb, ^
[06:47] <d4rkmonkey> RAOF, nope, it only lists lo and eth0 but my wireless is eth1
[06:47] <crdlb> well I don't think gutsy would make much of a difference for nvidia
[06:48] <RAOF> d4rkmonkey: Oookay.  Now, what does "dmesg | grep ipw" give you?
[06:48] <RAOF> crdlb: Correct.
[06:48] <DShepherd> crdlb, hmm.. why do you say that?
[06:48] <crdlb> it's only intel that's gets the new goodness
[06:48] <crdlb> that*
[06:48] <RAOF> crdlb: Not ati, too?
[06:48] <d4rkmonkey> RAOF, should I just paste here?
[06:48] <DShepherd> crdlb, oh
[06:48] <crdlb> RAOF, not yet
[06:49] <crdlb> no xrandr 1.2 until the next release after 6.7
[06:49] <RAOF> DShepherd: It's probably <3 lines, right?  If so, yes.
[06:49] <RAOF> Once again the nvidia (with the nouveau drivers) beat ATI!
[06:49] <crdlb> more developers :)
[06:49] <DShepherd> d4rkmonkey, i think that was for you . what RAOF said ^
[06:50] <RAOF> Easier to develop for cards, too, apparently.
[06:50] <crdlb> yeah I saw that
[06:50] <d4rkmonkey> DShepherd, lol...
[06:50] <RAOF> DShepherd, d4rkmonkey: Whoops, quite true :)
[06:50] <d4rkmonkey> RAOF, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/32194/ just threw it there, its only 3 lines
[06:51] <DShepherd> crdlb, 6.7?
[06:51] <RAOF> d4rkmonkey: Hm, and you don't have an eth1?
[06:51] <d4rkmonkey> RAOF, nope...
[06:51] <crdlb> DShepherd, of the free ati drivers
[06:51] <DShepherd> crdlb, ah ok
[06:53] <RAOF> d4rkmonkey: Odd.  Wireless killswitch is off?
[06:53] <d4rkmonkey> RAOF, no switch that I know of
[06:53] <RAOF> And "dmesg | grep eth1" doesn't give anything, presumably.
[06:53] <RAOF> d4rkmonkey: Troubling.  Maybe your killswitch is on :)
[06:53] <d4rkmonkey> RAOF, lol theres no killswitch
[06:54] <DShepherd> google needs a quick way to sort searches by date. bah!
[06:54] <d4rkmonkey> RAOF, yeah that gives me nothing, its weird that it works in an older version of the kernel
[06:54] <RAOF> d4rkmonkey: You have a killswitch.  Maybe your laptop doesn't have a physical switch, but you have a killswitch :)
[06:55] <d4rkmonkey> RAOF, ok, then?
[06:55] <RAOF> No idea, really.  File a bug.
[06:55] <RAOF> Preferably with the last version that worked, and the first version that didn't.
[06:56] <d4rkmonkey> RAOF, I don't know exactly the last version that worked and the first that didn't
[06:56] <RAOF> d4rkmonkey: Well, that's a useful piece of information for you to discover :)
[06:56] <d4rkmonkey> RAOF, I just know the last version I tried that worked, which was 2.6.20-16-generic and the version that came when I upgraded to gutsy didn't
[06:57] <RAOF> d4rkmonkey: So, you can say (at worst) that.
[06:57] <d4rkmonkey> RAOF, yeah...
[06:57] <RAOF> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingHardwareDetection may be useful.
[07:00] <d4rkmonkey> RAOF, I'll try that before I file a bug
[07:00] <d4rkmonkey> RAOF, haha I should've looked at the link before saying things lol
[07:01] <RAOF> Still, you should read that before filing the bug :)
[07:05] <DanaG> Oh yeah, ipw3945 needs restricted-modules, and iwl3945 needs ubuntu-modules.
[07:05] <d4rkmonkey> RAOF, yeah, I read.
[07:05] <d4rkmonkey> DanaG?
[07:05] <RAOF> (And a bunch of bugfixes :))
[07:06] <dfgas> i am sorry for asking this, where do i get the gusty live cd?
[07:06] <DanaG> Two different drivers for the same card.
[07:06] <d4rkmonkey> DanaG, ok, what difference is there between them? and is this something I should be trying before filing a bug?
[07:07] <DanaG> Well, if you don't have either package installed, then both modules will be missing, of course.
[07:07] <DanaG> dmesg | grep ipw
[07:08] <d4rkmonkey>  I have ipw3945
[07:08] <dfgas> nm
[07:09] <defcon>  had gutsy installed a month ago, how is it now
[07:09] <defcon> i*
[07:09] <d4rkmonkey> E: Couldn't find package restricted-modules <-- could this be a bad thing DanaG?
[07:09] <DanaG> ACtually, it's linux-restricted-modules-`uname -r`
[07:09] <RAOF> d4rkmonkey: You'd be after the "linux-restricted-modules-$(uname -r)" package, actually.
[07:09] <d4rkmonkey> RAOF, oh lol
[07:10] <RAOF> DanaG: $() FTW!
[07:10] <d4rkmonkey> E: Couldn't find package linux-restricted-modules-2.6.22-9-generic ?
[07:11] <RAOF> d4rkmonkey: Now, *that* is a problem :)
[07:11] <d4rkmonkey> RAOF, haha I think so
[07:11] <d4rkmonkey> RAOF, it appears to have it for the old kernel that works too.
[07:11] <RAOF> DanaG: $(which $(echo $FOO | sed s/bar/baz/)) works :)
[07:11] <d4rkmonkey> RAOF/DanaG, how would I go about setting up that other driver?
[07:12] <RAOF> d4rkmonkey: You really don't want to, it doesn't work properly.
[07:12] <RAOF> On the other hand, neither does your current one... :)
[07:12] <DanaG> I'm just using it because I'm feeling daring.
[07:12] <DanaG> Do you have the restricted repo enabled?  If not, that'd explain it.
[07:12] <defcon> can I still dist upgrade to gutsy
[07:13] <defcon> or do I gotta dl the image
[07:13] <RAOF> defcon: You can *always* dist-upgrade to gutsy.
[07:14] <d4rkmonkey> RAOF, haha, its worth a try, I can always uninstall right?
[07:14] <defcon> RAOF, word, how are the improvements since a month and a half ago
[07:15] <RAOF> d4rkmonkey: Yeah.  Actually, it should be a simple "sudo modprobe -r ipw3945 && sudo modprobe ipl3945"
[07:15] <d4rkmonkey> RAOF, ok
[07:15] <defcon> which kernel, are we using a new scheduler?
[07:15] <RAOF> No1Viking:
[07:15] <RAOF> Gah, tab-autocomplete should not be used for everything!
[07:15] <RAOF> defcon: No.
[07:15] <d4rkmonkey> RAOF, FATAL: Module ipl3945 not found. <-- that could be a bit of a problem
[07:16] <RAOF> d4rkmonkey: Sorry, iwl
[07:16] <d4rkmonkey> ok
[07:17] <d4rkmonkey> RAOF, sh: /sbin/ipw3945d-2.6.22-9-generic: not found <--- hmmm...
[07:17] <RAOF> d4rkmonkey: That is indeed your problem.  You don't have linux-restricted-modules installed.
[07:17] <No1Viking> LOL @ RAOF!  :)
[07:18] <d4rkmonkey> RAOF, lol... so why'd it tell me that when running the command you gave me, if I understand correctly thats removing one of the drivers, and adding the other..
[07:19] <RAOF> d4rkmonkey: Because it stops the daemon on driver unload.
[07:19] <d4rkmonkey> RAOF ok...
[07:19] <DanaG> oops, somebody misspelled ipw as ipl.
[07:19] <RAOF> DanaG: Actually, iwl as ipl :)
[07:20] <DanaG> aah.
[07:20] <d4rkmonkey> RAOF, would you happen to know the package name for ubuntu-modules?
[07:21] <RAOF> d4rkmonkey: linux-ubuntu-modules-$(uname -r)
[07:21] <d4rkmonkey> RAOF, thank
[07:21] <RAOF> d4rkmonkey: You should pastebin your sources.list, though.
[07:22] <DanaG> I have my sources.list on www.csc.calpoly.edu/~dgoyette
[07:22] <d4rkmonkey> RAOF, ok, I will. says I already have the package
[07:22] <DanaG> I use kernel.org followed by us.archive.ubuntu.com.
[07:23] <d4rkmonkey> arg just got hit with like 23 updates...
[07:23] <RAOF> d4rkmonkey: So, you should therefore just "sudo modprobe -vvv iwl3945"
[07:23] <DanaG> What's with the triple v?
[07:24] <d4rkmonkey> RAOF, -vvv very very verbose or something like that?
[07:24] <RAOF> I like a lot of verbosity :)
[07:24] <RAOF> Generally, when 1 v means "give me some messages", more vs mean more messages :)
[07:24] <DanaG> I like aptitude -{v,vv,vvv,vvvv,vvvvv} moo.
[07:24] <d4rkmonkey> RAOF, <-- FATAL: Module iwl3945 not found.
[07:24] <d4rkmonkey> whoah.. why'd I put that arrow there
[07:24] <d4rkmonkey> XD
[07:25] <d4rkmonkey> RAOF, whoa, it worked this time, and it didn't give me anything lol, it wasn't very verbose
[07:25] <d4rkmonkey> RAOF, brb gotta restart for updates to work, I'd rather do this sooner than later
[07:28] <DanaG> methinks somebody forgot to mention /etc/modules.
[07:28] <DanaG> Too bad that person left.
[07:28] <RAOF> Eh, he'll just have to manually modprobe.
[07:29] <DanaG> Dang, the English language really needs a good non-gender-specific third-person pronoun.
[07:29] <defcon> what cmd do I issue for gutsy dist-upgrade, do I need other repo's available for that
[07:29] <DanaG> For when you don't want to assume and get it wrong.
[07:29] <RAOF> DanaG: They.  Their.
[07:29] <defcon> available=enabled
[07:29] <DanaG> Nope, that's plural.
[07:29] <d4rkmonkey> It?
[07:29] <RAOF> Nope, not necessarily.
[07:29] <DanaG> 'It" is not polite; therein lies the problem.
[07:29] <crdlb> (s)he
[07:29] <d4rkmonkey> lol
[07:29] <RAOF> "Everyone loves their mother"
[07:30] <DanaG> Aack!
[07:30] <crdlb> RAOF, it's wrong but people use it because there's no alternative
[07:30] <RAOF> crdlb: No, not wrong.
[07:30] <d4rkmonkey> RAOF, still want me to pastebin my sources.list? (I forget where it is though)
[07:30] <RAOF> crdlb: Used by well-wri
[07:30] <RAOF> d4rkmonkey: yes.
[07:30] <d4rkmonkey> RAOF, where is it, lol
[07:30] <DanaG> Eats, Shoots, and Leaves.  Nice book.
[07:31] <crdlb> it's still not accepted in "formal English"
[07:31] <RAOF>  /etc/apt/sources.list
[07:31] <DanaG> Oh yeah, d4rkmonkey: add 'iwl3945' to /etc/modules
[07:31] <defcon> is update-manager in gutsy?
[07:31] <d4rkmonkey> thank you RAOF
[07:31] <DanaG> on its own line.
[07:31] <RAOF> crdlb: http://www.crossmyt.com/hc/linghebr/austheir.html
[07:32] <RAOF> crdlb: :P
[07:32] <d4rkmonkey> DanaG, I don't think that iwl3945 helps at all lol
[07:34] <DanaG> Oh yeah, why are qos_enable and hwcrypto set to 0 by default?
[07:34] <crdlb> RAOF, yes they do because there's no singular gender-neutral 3rd person pronoun :)
[07:34] <RAOF> DanaG: No idea.  Do they work better?
[07:34] <crdlb> so everyone just uses the plural
[07:34] <DanaG> And now, for a completely different issue:    https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/111145
[07:34] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 111145 in linux-source-2.6.20 "sigmatel STAC9250 on ATI HDA SB on gateway laptop - no sound capture " [Low,Incomplete] 
[07:35] <DanaG> Different chipset on my system, but same issue.
[07:35] <d4rkmonkey> RAOF, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/32196/
[07:35] <T-Connect> Can you guys add Ubuntu Forum link on the next firefox release?
[07:36] <T-Connect> That is the only thing missing.
[07:36] <d4rkmonkey> T-Connect, you realize Ubuntu has nothing to do with how firefox is made?
[07:36] <DanaG> And this:  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/41427
[07:36] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 41427 in Ubuntu ""slow keys" can turn on surreptitiously & cause confusion." [Medium,Incomplete] 
[07:36] <DanaG> I'd like to increase the severity, but I don't feel entitled or authorized to do so.
[07:37] <RAOF> d4rkmonkey: Why do you have such a broken sources.list :)
[07:37] <DanaG> Meaning, even if given the permission, I still wouldn't feel right changing it myself.
[07:37] <d4rkmonkey> RAOF, its broken? lol
[07:37] <RAOF> !sourceomatic | d4rkmonkey
[07:37] <ubotu> d4rkmonkey: source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[07:37] <d4rkmonkey> RAOF, never noticed...
[07:37] <RAOF> d4rkmonkey: No, things just didn't work properly :P
[07:37] <d4rkmonkey> RAOF, lol... is it worth regenerating?
[07:38] <DanaG> I have mine at ww.csc.calpoly.edu/~dgoyette
[07:38] <RAOF> d4rkmonkey: Well, it'll fix your wireless issues.
[07:38] <DanaG> er, www
[07:38] <d4rkmonkey> RAOF, err do I wanna include source repositories?
[07:38] <RAOF> d4rkmonkey: Probably not.
[07:38] <DanaG> Uses kernel.org first, and then us.archive.
[07:39] <DanaG> dmesg | grep 'REPLY_ADD_STA failed' | wc -l
[07:39] <DanaG> 639
[07:40] <DanaG> Aack, what does that error even mean?
[07:40] <RAOF> DanaG: Yes, those drivers *still* suck :)
[07:40] <DanaG> Other than the messages, my connection seems stable.
[07:40] <d4rkmonkey> RAOF, hmm that different driver didn't seem to work, how do I set it back to the older driver that also didn't work?
[07:40] <DanaG> It just needs a modprobe -r and modprobe after suspend.
[07:41] <defcon> i am trying to dist-upgrade and it wont let me
[07:41] <defcon> says my system is up to date in upgrade-manager --dist-upgrade
[07:41] <d4rkmonkey> defcon, can you do update-manager -d?
[07:41] <defcon> and also with -d
[07:41] <defcon> same result
[07:41] <d4rkmonkey> what does it give you in terminal?
[07:41] <defcon> what repos do I need
[07:41] <defcon> warning: could not initiate dbus
[07:41] <defcon> current dist not found in meta-release file
[07:41] <d4rkmonkey> defcon, you shouldn't need any new repos
[07:42] <d4rkmonkey> defcon, ah, you need a developement meta-release file
[07:42] <d4rkmonkey> defcon, one second, I'll find you the one I used
[07:42] <defcon> thankyou
[07:43] <d4rkmonkey> defcon, http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/meta-release-development
[07:43] <defcon> where do I put that
[07:44] <d4rkmonkey> well, the file is in ~/.update-manager-core
[07:44] <d4rkmonkey> its called meta-release
[07:44] <d4rkmonkey> defcon, just copy all of that text, and replace everything in the meta-release file, then try. I had the exact same error when going to gutsy
[07:44] <defcon> cool
[07:44] <defcon> thanks
[07:44] <defcon> how is gutsy now I ran it before
[07:44] <defcon> a month ago
[07:45] <d4rkmonkey> defcon, its ok, I like it better than feisty... desktop-effects don't crash my X like they did in feisty, and I can now run 3D programs :)
[07:47] <defcon> k im installing now
[07:47] <defcon> yea I hate that bug
[07:47] <defcon> desktop-effects is dissapointing in feisty
[07:48] <d4rkmonkey> defcon, not really. It just didn't work cus of my chipset.
[07:49] <defcon> ic
[07:49] <defcon> brb
[07:50] <d4rkmonkey> Anyone happen to know how I would go about installing the package linux-restricted-modules-2.6.22-9-generic?
[07:50] <T-Connect> d4rkmonkey I thought Ubuntu mod firefox?
[07:50] <Dana1> Argh, stupid frickin' router.
[07:50] <Dana1> I switched back to ipw3945, and it utterly ignored my DHCP requests.
[07:51] <d4rkmonkey> T-Connect, I guess they could make a plugin, but I don't see why they would add a link to the forums, when you can just bookmark it yourself
[07:51] <DanaG> It seems to think this way"
[07:51] <DanaG> Oh, he disconnected without releasing the IP, so I won't give him another one until his current IP lease expires.....
[07:51] <DanaG> in 30 YEARS!
[07:51] <d4rkmonkey> lol
[07:51] <DanaG> That's a ludicrously long DHCP lease time, don'tcha think?
[07:52] <d4rkmonkey> DanaG you wouldn't happen to know how I could go about installing the package linux-restricted-modules-2.6.22-9-generic would you?
[07:52] <DanaG> Enable the repo using sources.list, then update your package lists, and install it.
[07:52] <d4rkmonkey> DanaG, which Repo?
[07:53] <DanaG> The restricted component.
[07:53] <DanaG> You may use my sources.list for reference.
[07:53] <d4rkmonkey> DanaG, oh, ok.
[07:53] <d4rkmonkey> DanaG, heh, I should've probably run apt-get update after changing my sources list, shouldn't I...
[07:53] <DanaG> Yeah.
[07:53] <d4rkmonkey> maybe thats why..
[07:53] <DanaG> Or aptitude.
[07:53] <d4rkmonkey> hmm...
[07:53] <d4rkmonkey> I'll try when its done
[07:54] <DanaG> Try aptitude in a terminal with no parameters -- it's nifty.
[07:56] <defcon> gutsy faster than ubuntu?
[07:56] <defcon> feisty I mean
[07:56] <defcon> lol
[07:58] <d4rkmonkey> lol defcon I dunno...
[07:58] <d4rkmonkey> DanaG, whats so special about aptitude?
[07:58] <DanaG> It has an ncurses gui.
[07:58] <d4rkmonkey> ncurses?
[07:59] <DanaG> Just try it yourself.  You don't even have to run it with sudo until you want to update package lists or apply changes.
[08:00] <d4rkmonkey> DanaG, but I'm too comfortable with apt-get XD
[08:06] <DanaG> You can also use it with parameters, the same way as apt-get.
[08:06] <DanaG> !aptitude
[08:06] <ubotu> aptitude is another terminal-based front-end to APT, like apt-get. However, aptitude can remember the dependencies installed with a package and remove them if you uninstall. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AptitudeSurvivalGuide
[08:22] <d4rkmonkey> Yay! it worked after restarting :D
[08:23] <T-Connect> XD
[08:23] <DanaG> Oh, I'd forgotten what I specifically did.
[08:23] <RAOF> Ding!  Your sources.list was broken :)
[08:23] <d4rkmonkey> lol
[08:23] <DanaG> oh yeah, the sources.list.
[08:23] <d4rkmonkey> yeah
[08:23] <d4rkmonkey> that seemed to be it XD
[08:23] <DanaG> I find the default way of having 3 or so lines for each repo was very confusing.
[08:24] <d4rkmonkey> lol now I have nothing else to do but I'm wide awake and its like 2:30 AM...
[08:24] <DanaG> Hmm, stare at the Flux screensaver for a while, perhaps.
[08:24] <DanaG> Unless it decides to run at 200FPS. :(
[08:25] <DanaG> Because gnome-screensaver doesn't let you change any settings, you can't set it to run nice or limit fps.
[08:25] <d4rkmonkey> hmm I gotta turn screensavers on now that my comp can handle 3D :D
[08:25] <RAOF> DanaG: Filed that bug?
[08:26] <DanaG> :-/nope.  What would I title it?  gnome-screensaver doesn't limit fps.
[08:26] <RAOF> DanaG: Pretty much, yeah.
[08:27] <RAOF> I mean, it's actually pretty simple to fix
[08:27] <DanaG> append -x 60.  Or some value around there.
[08:27] <RAOF> Yeah.
[08:27] <d4rkmonkey> I'ma draw some fire on my screen and see how long it takes for it to go away.
[08:28] <DanaG> I use xscreensver, yet even then I still have to edit the config files.
[08:28] <jussi01> go watch some computer games on tele...do you have that there?
[08:28] <d4rkmonkey> jussi01, watch computer games on tele?
[08:29] <DanaG> G4? /me barfs at the name, and curses Comcast for slaughtering TechTV.
[08:29] <d4rkmonkey> jussi01, my parents will get mad if they find me awake XD
[08:29] <d4rkmonkey> G4 sucks..
[08:29] <d4rkmonkey> more lie..
[08:29] <d4rkmonkey> *like
[08:29] <d4rkmonkey> G POOR!!!
[08:29] <jussi01> lol
[08:29] <DanaG> Or, "Gee, for shame!"
[08:29] <d4rkmonkey> lol
[08:30] <d4rkmonkey> arg what the hell. Ubuntu dims my screen (GOOD when its dark everywhere else) but the laptop lights are f****** bright
[08:30] <jussi01> late night here they have some combat game being played on tele, cause they cant find something else to put on. it looks like half life or something
[08:30] <d4rkmonkey> (see what I did there? I censored it because some people get angry when I swear ;))
[08:30] <jussi01> !ohmy | d4rkmonkey
[08:30] <ubotu> d4rkmonkey: Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[08:30] <d4rkmonkey> lol
[08:31] <DanaG> One awesome thing on my Gateway laptop: a BIOS-level toggle to turn off ALL LEDs.  All of them!
[08:31] <d4rkmonkey> XD I'm like 14, I know like 10 year olds that swear whatever
[08:31] <d4rkmonkey> The one person who I was talking to on MSN left because she had to wake up tomorrow :(
[08:32] <d4rkmonkey> and now that the wireless issue is fixed I have absolutely nothing left to do :(
[08:32] <jussi01> d4rkmonkey: go learn how to package stuff
[08:33] <d4rkmonkey> jussi01, lol thats no fun
[08:33] <jussi01> d4rkmonkey: yes it is :)
[08:33] <d4rkmonkey> I'm gonna plug in some earphones on my laptop and see if I can find anything to do on the interwebs ;)
[08:33] <jussi01> here you are, http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/basic-scratch.html :P:P
[08:33] <d4rkmonkey> lol
[08:34] <DanaG> d4rkmonkey: http://www.vgcats.com/comics/?strip_id=218
[08:34] <d4rkmonkey> DanaG, I've read like.. all vgcats things...
[08:34] <DanaG> Aah.
[08:35] <d4rkmonkey> lol
[08:35] <d4rkmonkey> I read alot of webcomics
[08:35] <d4rkmonkey> something to do when Im bored ;)
[08:35] <benanzo> did restricted modules break for anyone with the latest kernel update
[08:36] <d4rkmonkey> benanzo, no? I just didn't have the right version for a while cus of my sources.list file
[08:37] <benanzo> hmmm...   restricted-modules broke (no atheros wifi) update-manager broke too.  I did the update from a chroot
[08:38] <benanzo> I think that's why restricted-manager broke.  I wasn't running the gutsy kernel during the update
[08:38] <benanzo> would that matter?
[08:39] <d4rkmonkey> WHAT THE HELL!!!-->Sorry, your OS is not supported!We recommend Windows 2000, Windows XP, or Mac OS X.
[08:39] <jussi01> lol
[08:39] <d4rkmonkey> benanzo, I'm not sure if it would matter
[08:39] <jussi01> d4rkmonkey: now is the time to learn to ddos...
[08:39] <jussi01> :P
[08:39] <d4rkmonkey> lol
[08:40] <d4rkmonkey> jussi01, i just wanted to watch a damn shark week trailer! I'ma switch my user agent to IE7 in Vista and see if it can tell the difference :D
[08:40] <d4rkmonkey> wait. it doesn't say vist
[08:40] <d4rkmonkey> *vista
[08:40] <d4rkmonkey> better make that... opera in windows 2000
[08:40] <d4rkmonkey> XD
[08:40] <jussi01> lol
[08:40] <d4rkmonkey> its not like this channel is very active right now anyways
[08:41] <d4rkmonkey> o_O
[08:41] <d4rkmonkey> Your System is a go! Reload now!!!
[08:41] <jussi01> true, but still there are people who like to read the back log
[08:41] <d4rkmonkey> did that actually work? cus that'd be hilarious
[08:41] <jussi01> loll
[08:41] <d4rkmonkey> omg..
[08:41] <d4rkmonkey> it did.
[08:41] <d4rkmonkey> will the video play?
[08:41] <d4rkmonkey> XD
[08:41] <jussi01> d4rkmonkey: jump into #ubuntuforums lots of cool people there
[08:43] <DanaG> Thailors!
[08:44] <DanaG> I wonder why "madwifi" is called such... modinfo madwifi:
[08:44] <DanaG> modinfo: could not find module madwifi
[08:45] <d4rkmonkey> lol
[08:45] <DanaG> Turns out, I guess it's ath_pci/
[08:45] <DanaG> .
[08:45] <d4rkmonkey> when updating to gutsy, I saw something called libsexy2
[08:45] <d4rkmonkey> anyone know what it does?
[08:45] <DanaG> http://www.chipx86.com/wiki/Libsexy
[08:45] <jussi01> !info libsexy
[08:45] <jussi01> !info libsexy2
[08:45] <ubotu> Package libsexy does not exist in gutsy
[08:45] <ubotu> libsexy2: collection of additional GTK+ widgets - library. In component main, is optional. Version 0.1.11-2 (gutsy), package size 41 kB, installed size 132 kB
[08:46] <DanaG> Tip: aptitude show packagename
[08:46] <d4rkmonkey> :O
[08:46] <DanaG> where packagename is whatever you want.
[08:46] <d4rkmonkey> and show is show?
[08:46] <jussi01> or apt-cache show
[08:46] <jussi01> yes
[08:46] <jussi01> so apt-cache show libsexy2
[08:47] <jussi01> d4rkmonkey: there are lots of cool aptitude/apt operators like that
[08:48] <d4rkmonkey> cool
[08:48] <jussi01> for instance: apt-file search apt-cache search
[08:48] <jussi01> and just aptitude is really usefull too
[08:48] <DanaG> !apt-file
[08:48] <ubotu> apt-file is a program that can tell you which package(s) contain(s) a given filename. To install it and generate the database it needs, run "sudo apt-get install apt-file && sudo apt-file update"
[08:48] <d4rkmonkey> arggg stupid discovery channel only supporting Win XP/200 or Mac OS X
[08:49] <jussi01> d4rkmonkey: write an email to them to complain
[08:49] <jussi01> be like tsmithe :P
[08:49] <d4rkmonkey> jussi01, meh won't really do anything... lets send them boxes of...
[08:49] <d4rkmonkey> penguins.
[08:49] <d4rkmonkey> many many penguins..
[08:50] <jussi01> lol
[08:51] <hylje> penguins are cute.
[08:51] <DanaG> Unless they're Crystal SVG.  Then they're just clich.
[08:52] <d4rkmonkey> lol
[08:53] <d4rkmonkey> well, I'm starting to get a bit tired.
[08:53] <d4rkmonkey> and bored..
[08:53] <d4rkmonkey> Goodnight everyone!
[09:16] <DanaG> Hmm, let's see what I have here in my collection of cardbus cards....
[09:17] <DanaG> some xirc2ps_cs ethernet cards, an rt2500 wifi card, a bcm4306 wifi card, an r818x wifi card (no wpa).
[09:18] <DanaG> Oh, and my cardbus Audigy.
[09:19] <DanaG> Oh, is it possible to run a kde4 session in Gutsy?
[09:19] <DanaG> And is there any point to it?
[09:20] <DanaG> !kde4
[09:20] <ubotu> KDE 4 is the next major release of the K Desktop Environment. For more information see <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KDE_4>. The Release Schedule is available at <http://techbase.kde.org/Schedules/KDE4/4.0_Release_Schedule>. Alpha 2 packages can be found at <http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-alpha2.php>.
[09:28] <d4rkmonkey> I couldn't sleep, so I wanted to watch a DVD but gutsy was all like BUT I DON'T WANT YOUR CD DRIVE TO WORK!!!
[09:28] <d4rkmonkey> *CD/DVD
[09:28] <d4rkmonkey> Now I need some help with this. To get it working it feisty I had to do sudo modprobe piix
[09:29] <d4rkmonkey> but now when i try running that, it says piix isn't found
[09:32] <d4rkmonkey> Anyone know if something replaced piix?
[09:33] <jussi01> !info piix
[09:33] <ubotu> Package piix does not exist in gutsy
[09:33] <jussi01> !find piix
[09:34] <DanaG> ata_piix
[09:34] <DanaG> it's a module.
[09:34] <d4rkmonkey> DanaG, ok I'll try that
[09:34] <DanaG> Do you see the drive at all?
[09:34] <jussi01> :)
[09:34] <ubotu> Package/file piix does not exist in gutsy
[09:34] <d4rkmonkey> DanaG, not without piix lol
[09:34] <malnilion> I found a surefire way to crash my xserver lol
[09:34] <d4rkmonkey> I guess I didn't notice it dissapearing in gutsy
[09:34] <DanaG> The drive will have moved from /dev/hdx to /dev/scd#
[09:35] <d4rkmonkey> DanaG, ok, I just want it to work again
[09:35] <DanaG> Hmm, do you see anything in dmesg upon inserting a disk?
[09:36] <d4rkmonkey> DanaG, don't think so.. one second
[09:36] <d4rkmonkey> DanaG, nope I don't. In feisty doing sudo modprobe piix just kinda made it work
[09:36] <DanaG> hmm, ata_piix will have replaced it.
[09:36] <d4rkmonkey> doesn't seem to be working :(
[09:36] <DanaG> If it's not loaded, then load it manually.
[09:37] <d4rkmonkey> DanaG, shouldn't "sudo modprobe ata_piix" work?
[09:37] <DanaG> Modprobe -v is better when you want to know if something was already loaded.
[09:38] <d4rkmonkey> ok
[09:38] <DanaG> If you see nothing, it was already loaded.  If you see the module name, it was not previously active.
[09:38] <DanaG> er, lowercase modprobe.
[09:38] <d4rkmonkey> DanaG, I added it to modules, I'm just going to restart just incase that helps, it seemed to help with my wireless card
[09:41] <d4rkmonkey> didn't seem to help this time
[09:41] <DanaG> Hmm.
[09:41] <DanaG> Do you see a /dev/scd0 ?
[09:41] <d4rkmonkey> I'll check
[09:41] <DanaG> (space is so question-mark doesn't look like part of the name.)
[09:42] <d4rkmonkey> nope, I don't
[09:42] <DanaG> Hmm.
[09:42] <DanaG> If you look in hal-device-manger, perhaps the IDE controller may show something useful.
[09:43] <d4rkmonkey> hal-device-manager?
[09:43] <d4rkmonkey> I'll try that
[09:43] <d4rkmonkey> DanaG, can I just use lshw instead? lol
[09:44] <DanaG> I don't remember it well, but see if it shows anything useful.
[09:44] <d4rkmonkey> ok
[09:44] <DanaG> For example, it may show the device as unclaimed by any drivers.
[09:45] <d4rkmonkey> yeah, its definatly unclaimed DanaG.. exact same thing as I had in feisty before
[09:46] <d4rkmonkey> DanaG, I wish piix just worked...
[09:46] <DanaG> Hmm, that unclaimed-ness may be a bug in need of filing.
[09:46] <DanaG> What's the chipset?
[09:47] <d4rkmonkey> DanaG, uhh 965 GM or something like that, give me a second to check though
[09:47] <d4rkmonkey> (intel)
[09:47] <DanaG> I mean, southbridge.
[09:47] <d4rkmonkey> wha?
[09:47] <d4rkmonkey> lol
[09:47] <DanaG> For example, mine is ICH7.
[09:47] <d4rkmonkey> southbridge=?
[09:47] <DanaG> product: 82801G (ICH7 Family) IDE Controller
[09:48] <d4rkmonkey>    product: Mobile IDE Controller
[09:48] <d4rkmonkey> ?
[09:48] <d4rkmonkey> I swear it was working before I got my wireless card working and did all those updates...
[09:49] <DanaG> Hmm, I thought hal-device-manager was installed by default.
[09:49] <d4rkmonkey> DanaG, it is, I'm just not familiar with it
[09:49] <d4rkmonkey> and it seems to give me the same thing
[09:49] <d4rkmonkey> gah I bet it works in the older kernel..
[09:50] <d4rkmonkey> DanaG, I'm just gonna watch the movie in the older kernel (if it works that is) and deal with this later...
[09:53] <praecox> hey guys
[09:53] <d4rkmonkey> yup it works fine with modprobe piix in the older kernel, now whats some good DVD watching software?
[09:53] <d4rkmonkey> Hi praecox
[09:53] <praecox> I've got problem with OO.org in Kubuntu Gutsy
[09:54] <praecox> it doesn't start at all... I mean, splash screen shows up but process is hanging:
[09:54] <praecox> 6408 86.7  5.9 168600 62036 ?        Rl   09:52   0:19 /usr/lib/openoffice/program/soffice.bin -writer -splash-pipe=5
[09:54] <praecox> and my writer doesn't start, it's not visible in dock, only in process list.
[09:54] <praecox> anyone got the same problem or is familiar with this?
[10:03] <praecox> I see...
[10:03] <Hobbsee> praecox: known
[10:05] <praecox> Hobbsee, what you mean?
[10:05] <Hobbsee> praecox: it's a known problem
[10:06] <praecox> Hobbsee, all right, but is there anything I can do?
[10:06] <praecox> Hobbsee, I'm pretty confident I need OO.org working...
[10:06] <praecox> :)
[10:06] <Hobbsee> praecox: doesnt seem to be
[10:06] <Hobbsee> praecox: use gnumeric, abiword, etc
[10:07] <praecox> Hobbsee, what is the best alternative?
[10:07] <praecox> I used to use OO.org so don't even know alternatives...
[10:07] <praecox> I simply need writer, nothing else.
[10:08] <Hobbsee> abiword
[10:08] <praecox> I heared about KWord, is it worth trying?
[10:08] <Hobbsee> and you know about gutsy and production machines...
[10:08] <Hobbsee> yeah, it's ok
[10:09] <praecox> Hobbsee, well, it's my workstation.
[10:09] <praecox> Hobbsee, I thought Gutsy is usable enough to be worth installing on my workstation.
[10:09] <praecox> ;)
[10:09] <Hobbsee> praecox: why?
[10:09] <Hobbsee> things still break
[10:10] <praecox> why did I think it's worth installing?
[10:10] <praecox> probably because date of official release is pretty close.
[10:11] <Hobbsee> er....close is still 2 months+
[10:11] <Hobbsee> on a 6 month development cycle
[10:11] <Hobbsee> but fair enough
[10:12] <praecox> hopefully this will be my only problem.
[10:12] <praecox> well, indeed it is so far.
[10:23] <shirish> hi all anybody up?
[10:24] <shirish> DanaG: you up?
[10:24] <shirish> Hobbsee: need your help
[10:24] <shirish> I filed a bug
[10:24] <shirish> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gdm/+bug/129315
[10:24] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 129315 in gdm "GNOME-desktop does not lemme log in. " [Medium,Incomplete] 
[10:25] <shirish> Hobbsee: can you perhaps take a look & lemme know what I need to do
[10:26] <Amaranth> shirish: ah, that's what i wanted to poke you about
[10:26] <Hobbsee> shirish: what happens if you remove /var/run/sabayon-admin ?
[10:26] <Amaranth> oh, maybe not
[10:27] <shirish> Hobbsee: should I just do sudo rm /var/run/sabayon-admin or some other way?
[10:27] <defcon> where do the ppl that program ubuntu hang out
[10:27] <defcon> here?
[10:27] <Amaranth> defcon: depends on what you're looking for
[10:27] <defcon> kernel hackers
[10:27] <defcon> etc
[10:27] <Hobbsee> shirish: that would be the way i'd try, yeah.
[10:28] <Hobbsee> shirish: you'd need to use -r on the rm
[10:28] <Hobbsee> (as it's a directory)
[10:28] <defcon> anyone know how ubuntu runs up against the new kernel patches, ck's and the -mm one
[10:28] <shirish> Hobbsee: right
[10:28] <defcon> will ubuntu implement anything like this
[10:29] <shirish> Hobbsee: I tried that & it says it diidn't find any file or directory
[10:29] <shirish> shirish@Mugglewille:~$ sudo rm -r /var/run/sabayon-admin
[10:29] <shirish> rm: cannot remove `/var/run/sabayon-admin': No such file or directory
[10:29] <shirish> please de-reference any reference to Mugglewille ;)
[10:30] <Hobbsee> shirish: i wonder if that dir ever existed.  it probably didnt exist when you tried to purge sabayon, which is why it fell over
[10:30] <shirish> defcon: I think that question would be better answered perhaps in #ubuntu-kernel
[10:30] <defcon> does gutsy have support for the belkins usb wireless dongle?
[10:30] <defcon> where can I find out the work for compatability
[10:31] <defcon> shirish, thnx
[10:31] <Hobbsee> defcon: #ubuntu-kernel doesnt do user support
[10:31] <shirish> Hobbsee: ok, any other ideas or things I should find out
[10:31] <Hobbsee> it's for developing the kernel
[10:31] <Hobbsee> shirish: is sabayon actually purged now?  (try purging it again)
[10:31] <shirish> Hobbsee: sorry for pointing that out now
[10:31] <defcon> k i needed to know for a friend of mine, he is a kernel hacker
[10:32] <Hobbsee> no problem
[10:32] <Hobbsee> !compatibility
[10:32] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about compatibility - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:32] <Hobbsee> defcon: google tends to be your best resource for checking for compatibility
[10:32] <Hobbsee> !wireless
[10:32] <defcon> yea
[10:32] <defcon> google is my best friend online lol
[10:33] <Hobbsee> although there is a wireless database somewhere on the ubuntu wiki
[10:33] <Hobbsee> ubotu: ping
[10:33] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[10:33] <ubotu> pong
[10:34] <Hobbsee> defcon: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/WirelessCardsSupported
[10:34] <shirish> Hobbsee: when I try to purge it & stuff I get this output http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/32210/
[10:34] <Hobbsee> defcon: but it's often slightly out of date, because people havent updated it
[10:34] <defcon> yea
[10:34] <shirish> Hobbsee: apparently its purged, but when I look it up through dpkg -l it shows as pn rather than p as it normally shows
[10:35] <Hobbsee> shirish: use apt to purge, not aptitude - it's clearer
[10:35] <defcon> the reason I asked is because feisty doesnt support mine, I had to compile my own etc
[10:35] <defcon> thankyou Hobbsee
[10:35] <shirish> Hobbsee: you mean sudo apt-get purge or just apt purge ?
[10:35] <Hobbsee> defcon: you didnt mention which chipset, or anything, so we can give you no more help
[10:35] <Hobbsee> shirish: apt-get remove --purge, iirc.
[10:35] <Hobbsee> shirish: i have an alias i dont remember :)
[10:35] <Hobbsee> er, s/alias/alias,/
[10:36] <defcon> 1sec
[10:36] <shirish> Hobbsee: I don't use apt-get hence have no idea
[10:36] <Hobbsee> strange person
[10:36] <shirish> Hobbsee: anyway I tried your suggestion
[10:36] <shirish> shirish@Mugglewille:~$ sudo apt-get purge sabayon
[10:36] <shirish> E: Invalid operation purge
[10:36] <defcon> i use a belkin F5D7050 usb wireless adapter
[10:36] <Hobbsee> shirish: read what i said again, action it.
[10:37] <Hobbsee> :)
[10:37] <shirish> oops
[10:37] <Hobbsee> :)
[10:37] <defcon> Hobbsee, right now im using http://rt2x00.serialmonkey.com/ 's drivers for my rt73 chipset
[10:37] <defcon> its from ralink
[10:38] <defcon> id like to see ubuntu work out of the box with this
[10:38] <Hobbsee> you can check if gutsy supports it, via a live cd.
[10:38] <Hobbsee> as to whether those drivers are free, i dont know
[10:38] <shirish> Hobbsee: slightly different output but the endresult is same http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/32211/
[10:39] <shirish> Hobbsee: make that smaller output
[10:39] <defcon> ndiswrapper works but not that well, i found out that serialmonkey's drivers work fine, its a kernel module
[10:39] <Hobbsee> shirish: excellent.  so sabayon is gone
[10:39] <Hobbsee> shirish: so now see if gnome desktop lets you login, with sabayon gone
[10:40] <Hobbsee> if so, close teh bug, if not, add more info
[10:40] <shirish> Hobbsee: right, ok lemme see if I can re-login to GNOME again or not, ortherwise bb here soon
[10:40] <Hobbsee> :)
[10:40] <shirish> sure will do
[10:43] <defcon> I wonder why nm-applet and network manager cant be compatible with all drivers and cards
[10:43] <defcon> if it uses command line utils it should
[10:45] <void^> some drivers - like rt2x00-legacy drivers - use driver-specific iwprivs to configure wpa and won't work with wpa_supplicant
[10:46] <Amaranth> networkmanager is more low-level into the system
[10:46] <Amaranth> it's not your typical *nix 'slap a gui around a command line tool' job
[10:47] <shirish> Hobbsee: still no go, I added some more info. dunno if it could also be due to a font I use, although it works great in XFCE , I have mentioned it in the bug itself
[10:48] <Hobbsee> cool
[10:54] <shirish> Amaranth: you there buddy?
[10:55] <shirish> Amaranth: I have a bug in OpenOffice Impress (presentation tool) dunno what to do about it, it hangs the app. rather than crashing or anything
[10:56] <Amaranth> I have never in my life even opened the program
[10:56] <Amaranth> Hell I've only ever opened OOo Writer to read something sent to me in odt :)
[10:56] <praecox> shirish, I have the same problem, it's well known problem.
[10:56] <Amaranth> oh, right
[10:57] <shirish> praecox: ok, didn't know that
[10:57] <Amaranth> wait for OOo 2.3 to be uploaded
[10:57] <shirish> Amaranth: will wait nothing else to do ;)
[10:57] <shirish> Amaranth: btw the file is an .odt/p file
[10:57] <praecox> shirish, I had to switch to KWord.
[10:58] <shirish> praecox: I tried using the openoffice viewer, but even that is in a bad shape
[10:58] <shirish> praecox: dunno why goffice doesn't support odf format
[10:58] <shirish> :(
[11:01] <praecox> have no clue, sorry.
[12:21] <defcon> I got a kernel panic on boot to gutsy
[12:21] <defcon> I cant load a kernel module for my usb card
[12:46] <levander> Anybody know if good MTP support for Rythmbox is going to make it into Gutsy?  What about Banshee?
[12:51] <defcon> I did a dist-upgrade to gutsy and im getting a kernel panic after I installed a kernel module, how do I remove it, is it possible to go back to fiesty ?
[12:52] <Linux_Galore> anyone ever get OOo working in gutsty, Ive only ever seen it not crash one on startup
[12:52] <Linux_Galore> once*
[12:53] <Linux_Galore> now I seem to always get GLib-GObject-CRITICAL  blah blah
[12:53] <Linux_Galore> and OOo just sits there not starting
[12:59] <Linux_Galore> I really hate the new neon blue "aaaaaaargh were is my sun glasses" login
[01:10] <b0b> hi. a patch exist for console mode change with intel i965 graphic chipset ?
[01:10] <Linux_Galore> login fixed
[01:11] <Linux_Galore> now to figure out why OOo wont start
[01:14] <Linux_Galore> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openoffice.org2/+bug/127944
[01:14] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 127944 in openoffice.org2 "[gutsy] Open Office applications don't start " [High,Confirmed] 
[01:14] <Linux_Galore> gtk bug, sigh and Im on kubuntu lol
[01:17] <Pici> b0b: If you're having problems with a weird console resolution, try chaning your framebuffer setting. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FrameBuffer   Instructions are at the bottom of the page.
[01:47] <b0b> wine do not exist under gutsy ?
[01:48] <hylje> use the wine repo
[01:48] <coNP> !info wine gutsy
[01:48] <ubotu> wine: Microsoft Windows Compatibility Layer (Binary Emulator and Library). In component universe, is optional. Version 0.9.42-0ubuntu1 (gutsy), package size 31957 kB, installed size 99904 kB
[01:49] <b0b> ok thanks
[01:59] <MattJ> Has anyone else had hibernate/resume problems with 2.6.22-9?
[01:59] <MattJ> My hibernate was working perfectly with -8
[02:00] <zorglu_> !info mingw32
[02:01] <coNP> zorglu_: ubotu has quit
[02:01] <ubotu> mingw32: Minimalist GNU win32 (cross) compiler. In component universe, is optional. Version 3.4.5.20060117.1.dfsg-3 (gutsy), package size 11428 kB, installed size 53656 kB
[02:01] <MattJ> ubotu is here :)
[02:01] <zorglu_> damn, lazy bot :)
[02:01] <IdleOne> FATAL: Error inserting battery (/lib/modules/2.6.22-9-generic/kernel/drivers/acpi/battery.ko): No such device " I keep getting this error with this mornings update "
[02:01] <zorglu_> ah cool :)
[02:02] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about is here :) - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:02] <zorglu_> well i would prefere a gcc4 mingw, but cool for the bot being back :)
[02:10] <Seveas> IdleOne, do you have a battery?
[02:11] <IdleOne> Seveas, nope
[02:12] <Seveas> then it's a harmless error :)
[02:13] <IdleOne> Seveas, I understand but harmless " FATAL: " errors can scare the ....
[02:13] <Seveas> ...shit out of you? Yeah...
[02:13] <IdleOne> hahahha
[02:13] <IdleOne> yeah
[02:13] <IdleOne> should that module not detect that I dont have or use battery ?
[02:14] <zorglu_> fatal in a way that the non working battery wont be inserted :)
[02:16] <Seveas> IdleOne, it does, that's why it errors out
[02:18] <IdleOne> hmmm well someone needs to edit that error to something less scary maybe.... This machine is out of order.....
[02:19] <Seveas> FATAL: Can't find battery. System will self destuct in 10 seconds
[02:19] <IdleOne> well any issues with the xorg and linux-headers update this morning? time for me to reboot :/
[02:20] <IdleOne> Seveas, that looks a litle better . perhaps play the theme to mission impossible also
[02:20] <Seveas> and show a picture of Tom :)
[02:20] <IdleOne> hehe
[02:21] <IdleOne> here goes. be back in a couple hopefuly
[02:26] <IdleOne> lol
[02:26] <IdleOne> ty
[02:27] <IdleOne> but not completly happy with my reboot. got an error window saying something about theme/sound/something not being able to start and gnome would try starting the deamon next time I reboot
[02:28] <coNP> IdleOne: something like gnome-theme-settings/manager?
[02:28] <coNP> gnome-settings-daemon, maybe
[02:28] <IdleOne> coNP, something like that
[02:28] <IdleOne> yeah deamon
[02:28] <IdleOne> daemon*
[02:29] <IdleOne> should of tried getting a screenshot of it :/
[02:44] <leperkhanz> Anybody here a VM pro?  I can't get networking to any of my VMs using Qemu Launcher.
[03:19] <tatters> Every version of ubuntu I tried so far have the same problem, if your only monitor is a TV-out from graphic card it can only be installed using safe graphical mode.and yet when installed runs fine after first boot
[03:21] <IdleOne> so the problem is that you dont want to install in safe graphics mode?
[03:21] <tatters> Without a vga monitor I have no choice
[03:21] <IdleOne> but graphics work fine after system is installed?
[03:22] <tatters> well yes
[03:23] <IdleOne> you could get a vga monitor or be glad that after system is installed it works fine....report a bug on launchpad
[03:25] <tatters> Now theres the thing,I am pretty much of the opininon it is a bug/glitch though minor and pretty rare to come across,however I am interested in the development process and how bugs are fixed and what the procedures are, but as noob I have no clue where to begin
[03:39] <jussi01> hmmm, is there a problem with flash on gutsy?
[03:44] <jussi01> heheh, I love it how often you are around :)
[03:44] <Hobbsee> :)
[03:45] <Hobbsee> you assume that i use konq and flash.
[03:46] <jussi01> true...
[04:13] <omha> hey
[04:13] <jussi01> hi
[04:13] <Unix-Jihad> kiaora
[04:14] <omha> my fompiz fusion wont work with any window manager, is this a known issue?
[04:17] <kriebel> hehe, omha, I've been wrestling with it for a day and it only works with its own metacity look-alike
[04:17] <kriebel> but I can run emerald by hand
[04:18] <omha> by hand?
[04:18] <kriebel> but if I run the "GL Desktop" setup program, back it goes to the ugly one
[04:18] <kriebel> yeah, alt-f2 and "emerald --replace"
[04:19] <omha> hmmm
[04:19] <omha> i think i know why i cant get emerald to work
[04:20] <omha> the update-manager removed it when upgrading :D
[04:20] <kriebel> I upgraded from feisty to gutsy last night to see fusion, and I'm sorely disapointed
[04:20] <kriebel> heh
[04:20] <kriebel> mine crashed
[04:20] <kriebel> and now I have very broken packages
[04:20] <kriebel> so it didn't get that far
[04:20] <omha> heh
[04:20] <omha> how did you upgrade?
[04:20] <kriebel> sudo update-manager -d
[04:21] <kriebel> click click click click
[04:21] <omha> hmm it worked fine for me
[04:21] <kriebel> yeah, I don't know
[04:21] <omha> and i even had automatix and 3th party repos
[04:21] <omha> w00t it worked when i installed emerald
[04:21] <omha> that was wired :D
[04:21] <kriebel> packages like eog and synaptic give dpkg errors
[04:21] <omha> hmm
[04:21] <kriebel> and I'm not l33t enough to fix them
[04:22] <Unix-Jihad> your not missing much, you wobble the windows a few times, and spin the cube, and then you turn it off, or at least I did, and others I know
[04:22] <omha> try "aptidue install"
[04:22] <omha> Unix-Jihad, i like the feel and tuch of fusion and the bling bling
[04:23] <kriebel> Unix-Jihad, false.  I had been running beryl for months.  mostly because emerald doesn't suck like metacity
[04:23] <kriebel> but it had bugs that I was hoping got fixed
[04:23] <Unix-Jihad> ok , i stand corrected, i must be just a boring old fart, I am 33 today, heh
[04:23] <kriebel> heh, forgot that there might be NEW bugs in compiz-fusion
[04:23] <kriebel> oh.  Happy birthday!
[04:24] <Unix-Jihad> haha cheers
[04:25] <kriebel> I actually only recently found out that emerald had themes that didn't just duplicate metacity
[04:25] <kriebel> and I got my ability to tack windows to the desktop back
[04:26] <kriebel> so, actually, it was motivated by me being an old fart of sorts and wanting features I had 6 years ago back
[04:27] <IdleOne> so what is a unix jihad exactly?
[04:28] <IdleOne> unix going to war against all other OS'es?
[04:30] <Unix-Jihad> it was in a cartoon i saw once, a larson-esque thing with a caption that said "the start of a long flight", three guys are in seats next to eachother on an aeroplane, they each have magazines, one guy has "mac loony", the other "windows fanatic" and the third "unix jihad"
[04:30] <Unix-Jihad> i always thought it was lame but amusing
[04:30] <IdleOne> hehe yeah
[04:31] <IdleOne> well it definetly makes people look
[04:32] <Unix-Jihad> i definitely no rms, but i do like my cli, and thank god i can use osx at work
[04:36] <Amaranth> Please do not try to use ubotu right now
[04:37] <Unix-Jihad> roger that
[04:37] <jussi01> hmm, is anyone elses open office broken?
[04:38] <Amaranth> everyone's openoffice is broken
[04:39] <Unix-Jihad> heh
[04:40] <kriebel> mine isn't
[04:40] <Unix-Jihad> nor me
[04:41] <omha> nor me
[04:43] <IdleOne> ooo works here
[04:44] <IdleOne> and actually opened in record time... les then 10 minutes :)
[04:44] <omha> lol
[04:44] <omha> it takes under 1min here
[04:45] <IdleOne> yeah just took me about 10 seconds used to take more then 3 minutes
[04:45] <omha> omg
[04:45] <omha> second time i open it it takes 1sec
[04:46] <omha> under 1sec even
[04:46] <IdleOne> what did the MOTU's do to make OOo so fast ?
[04:46] <omha> there isnt even the loading screen
[04:46] <omha> just click the icon and there it is
[04:46] <coNP> why MOTUs?
[04:46] <IdleOne> I see the loading screen but 10secs is great
[04:47] <omha> dammm
[04:47] <omha> i dont :D
[04:47] <IdleOne> only the Master Of The Universe could of been able to FIX OOo :)
[04:47] <omha> it faster then alt + f2
[04:47] <Hobbsee> IdleOne: MOTU's werent insane enough to touch ooo
[04:47] <coNP> :D
[04:47] <Hobbsee> :)
[04:48] <IdleOne> omha, you have an icon?
[04:48] <omha> icon?
 just click the icon and there it is
[04:48] <omha> i go to programs -> office -> OO writer and bang its open and ready
[04:49] <IdleOne> ahh ok
[04:49] <IdleOne> thought you had ubuntu setup with icons all over the desktop hehe
[04:49] <omha> nah
[04:49] <omha> that would suck :(
[04:49] <omha> hmmm
[04:49] <IdleOne> indeed
[04:50] <IdleOne> I should setup a bunch of program icons on my desktop and have them all pointing to cli lol
[04:50] <omha> why do X-Chat lack a proper dictionary when ubuntu had a complete?
[04:50] <omha> feisty*
[04:50] <praecox> hm, I found the way to revolutionize the internet.
[04:50] <praecox> how am I suppose to advertise it by myself?
[04:51] <IdleOne> ok i'll bite... how?
[04:51] <IdleOne> do you plan on taking the internet and making it better?
[04:51] <praecox> imagine there's a 'second' internet with cleared out all known domains...
[04:52] <omha> do the offical nvidia driver config GUI work with the ubuntu nvidia-glx package?
[04:52] <praecox> well, kind of.
[04:52] <IdleOne> by unplugging us all from the Matrix?
[04:52] <IdleOne> praecox, sorrta like a www2.google.com?
[04:52] <mrsno> omha they are seperate , but they are suppost to achieve the same thing :-)
[04:52] <praecox> I mean you could even do some 'good thing' to world by clearing out all three-letters domain names
[04:52] <mrsno> oh wait, the nvidia-settings ? its available in both
[04:53] <praecox> and give them to 'good people', not these hienas hunting on all free domains.
[04:53] <praecox> IdleOne, no, no Matrix, no Google2.
[04:53] <omha> mrsno, yea but i want to use nvidia-glx so my X wont break every time i do a kernel update, but i also want to use the GUI nvidia config
[04:53] <omha> tool
[04:53] <mrsno> omha yes nvidia-settings works fine in either nvidia-glx or the nvidia.com drivers
[04:54] <omha> good :)
[04:54] <praecox> IdleOne, simply imagine you would be able to do so. how would you start 'advertising' it?
[04:54] <omha> praecox, TV ads
[04:54] <mrsno> woa 182meg of updates
[04:55] <IdleOne> well you would need to register a domain on the original internet and perhaps tell ppl about it. post to digg and all them other so called informational sites and see if anybody wants to be part of the InterNewNet
[04:56] <omha> praecox, do you want a seperate net or just a new TLD?
[04:56] <praecox> omha, none of them.
[04:57] <praecox> omha, but TV is unreachable. I don't have zillions of dollars to advertize it on TV in every single country.
[04:58] <praecox> IdleOne, don't you think Google or MSN who would potentially see this digg, won't simply steal this idea and try to implement it by theirselves?
[04:59] <praecox> I mean Microsoft, not MSN.
[04:59] <IdleOne> praecox, no
[04:59] <praecox> why not?
[04:59] <praecox> it's million dollars worth plan.
[05:00] <praecox> I think this would be the first thing they would do.
[05:01] <mrsno> praecox internet2 already exists :< you are 10 years too late im afraid
[05:01] <IdleOne> because the internet already exists no need to make a new one and in time all them 3 letter domains will be cleaned out and if I am not mistaken there are already plans on moving all the XXX sites to a seperate www
[05:03] <praecox> IdleOne, do you know anything more about these plans?
[05:03] <praecox> IdleOne, any links, source?
[05:04] <IdleOne> praecox, google internet2
[05:05] <praecox> IdleOne, well, there's one internet. but don't you think 'new internet' with cleaned out all domains (paralelly coexisting with current internet) would be interesting way to advertize for many companies all over the world?
[05:06] <praecox> showing 'new way of thinking', new websites, new images of those companies?
[05:06] <praecox> and would be good way to let someone buy domain which is already occupied by someone else on first internet?
[05:07] <mrsno> praecox have you tried second life too ? :] 
[05:07] <praecox> mrsno, not yet.
[05:08] <praecox> and I'm in serious doubt if I ever will...
[05:08] <praecox> ;)
[05:08] <mrsno> hmm just dist-upgraded gutsy, it ran update-initramfs TWICE, once for 2.6.22-8 and then after for 2.6.22-9
[05:14] <Unix-Jihad> remember when microsoft tried to make its own net
[05:46] <blackdiamond> I have a problem with my upgrading to Gutsy. Internet doesn't work. i posted my ifconfig. can you read it and say me what is wrong? thank you very much guys http://phpfi.com/253961
[05:50] <blackdiamond> noone?
[05:50] <DanaG> WTF? knetworkmanager's mouse buttons have been swapped.
[05:50] <Pici> Try sudo invoke-rc.d networking restart
[05:51] <DanaG> What is invoke-rc.d?  I usually just directly call /etc/init.d/whatever.
[05:51] <omha> any knows a good proper browser that is not firefox?
[05:51] <omha> it is using 81mb ram
[05:52] <omha> not that i need it when i have 2gb, but still
[05:54] <blackdiamond> omha had you ever try epiphany?
[05:55] <blackdiamond> it's a good browser i think
[05:55] <omha> not really
[05:55] <omha> does it have everything needed?
[05:55] <zorglu_> blackdiamond: isnt it gecko based ?
[05:55] <omha> zorglu_, yes
[06:07] <blackdiamond> ah ok i personally dont' know
[06:07] <blackdiamond> i also tried using galeon and it's quite good and light i think
[06:07] <blackdiamond> sorry for the language
[06:07] <omha> will gutsy have kernel 2.6.23?
[06:07] <omha> i want to try CFS
[06:07] <omha> and alot of other interresting stuff
[06:07] <blackdiamond> i think yes
[06:07] <Pici> omha: No, I believe we wont be moving from 2.6.22
[06:07] <blackdiamond> ah ok
[06:07] <blackdiamond> pici can you help me? this is my problem : http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=511754
[06:07] <blackdiamond> i really don't know how to do..
[06:07] <omha> Pici, okay, i try to find some balls to do a my done debs :)
[06:07] <blackdiamond> and what to do
[06:07] <blackdiamond> anyone can help me?
[06:07] <omha> blackdiamond, wireless?
[06:07] <blackdiamond> no router D-link
[06:07] <blackdiamond> with the upgrading to gutsy there is no way to connect to internet, so i can't try Gutsy and test it :-(
[06:38] <coNP> I installed xubuntu-desktop
[06:38] <coNP> however I want to keep ubuntu-default-settings
[06:38] <coNP> how can I achieve this?
[06:44] <omha> coNP, default settings?
[06:44] <coNP> xubuntu installs xubuntu-default-settings
[06:44] <omha> coNP, like the bootup slaps and gdm?
[06:44] <coNP> that replaces usplash and gdm theme
[06:44] <coNP> ys
[06:45] <omha> dpkg-reconfigure ubuntu-default-settings
[06:45] <coNP> -ENOSUCHPACKAGE
[06:46] <omha> dpkg-reconfigure gdm
[06:46] <omha> for gdm
[06:46] <omha> i cant remember where how you selected boot slash
[06:57] <kriebel> help!
[06:57] <kriebel> bad image index
[06:57] <kriebel> The generated cache was invalid.
[06:57] <kriebel> it's driving me up a wall!
[07:21] <pvandewyngaerde> can i play dvd on gutsy ?
[07:21] <Unix-Jihad> dont do that, they dont like it
[07:21] <pvandewyngaerde> who ?
[07:22] <Unix-Jihad> sorry, talking about kriebel tapping the glass
[07:22] <kriebel> lol
[07:22] <kriebel> pvandewyngaerde, could you play a DVD in Feisty?
[07:22] <kriebel> if so, I imagine the answer is yes
[07:24] <Unix-Jihad> semi related , i like how dvd jon, the deccs hacker, broke the bonds that kept iphones tied to itunes or some such
[07:24] <pvandewyngaerde> how ?
[07:27] <Unix-Jihad> sorry, actually it was way around being tied to using at & t http://www.macrumors.com/iphone/2007/07/04/dvd-jon-activates-iphone/
[07:27] <Unix-Jihad> they dont work in my country, so meh
[07:28] <coNP> !dvd | pvandewyngaerde
[07:28] <ubotu> pvandewyngaerde: For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss2" can be found at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - Try k9copy (available in !Universe) for backing up DVDs
[07:35] <pvandewyngaerde> i follewed a guide that mentioned medibuntu
[07:35] <pvandewyngaerde> now it works
[07:39] <maxb> Is there any information anywhere on how Ubuntu distribution .iso images are created?
[07:41] <kriebel> in a firey coldron of C code and fluffy bunnies
[07:42] <kriebel> seriously though, I don't know
[07:42] <kriebel> except that Canonical has some really cool in-house software that does distribution management
[07:42] <kriebel> but actually making the ISO... that's complicated but not hard to do
[07:43] <maxb> I'm realistic enough to realize that there's unlikely to be terribly useful docs.
[07:43] <maxb> I'd settle for actually being able to find the code which does it.
[07:43] <kriebel> do you want to boot linux from a CD, or make an Ubuntu custom disc like Jigdo does?
[07:44] <maxb> I have hardware that neither Gutsy or Feisty install discs will boot on. I'd like to find out whether, *if* I manage to build a kernel that works, I'll be able to create a custom install disc with that kernel.
[07:46] <kriebel> if you can boot it with something else, you can mount the Ubuntu ISO and run the installer
[07:46] <kriebel> perhaps in a chroot
[07:46] <Seveas> !search libpoppler
[07:46] <ubotu> Found:
[07:46] <Seveas> !search poppler
[07:47] <maxb> Interesting idea.
[07:47] <maxb> Though, there's multiple computers, all the same, so if it's realistically possible to assemble a modified iso image, I'd like to pursue that option
[07:47] <kriebel> hrm
[07:47] <kriebel> what sort of machine won't boot the disc?
[07:49] <pvandewyngaerde> are there KDE4 beta 1 packages for gutsy +
[07:49] <maxb> It ought to be a fairly standard-ish PC. I don't know the details. Someone else has been struggling with it. I've been asked to work out what options there are for inserting a custom kernel into the installation process.
[07:50] <kriebel> I think it can be done, but I don't know any good way myself
[07:50] <kriebel> sorry
[07:51] <kriebel> you might want to try booting stock Debian and see how that goes
[07:51] <kriebel> or netbooting
[07:51] <maxb> Debian boots ok
[07:51] <maxb> So does Gentoo
[07:51] <maxb> So, I feel fairly confident in blaming the kernel
[08:48] <DanaG> Is it just me, or does the "Video Chat" app here have the Ubuntu metacity theme? :   http://www.gateway.com/programs/tmseries/
[08:54] <r00tintheb0x> Hi all, how's it going?
[08:55] <r00tintheb0x> Anyone else having problems with Pidgin, XChat and others?
[08:55] <geser> pidgin works for me
[08:56] <geser> what problem do you have?
[08:58] <shirish> guys anybody else fail to install cupsys?
[08:58] <shirish> r00tintheb0x:  have you done all the upgrades?
[08:59] <r00tintheb0x> Yup.
[08:59] <r00tintheb0x> I'm not a newb (just to let you know)
[08:59] <r00tintheb0x> Thats why its perplexing.
[08:59] <shirish> were you able to install cupsys
[08:59] <r00tintheb0x> If, per say... i install xchat.
[08:59] <shirish> for I wasn't, hence wanted somebody to confirm
[08:59] <r00tintheb0x> I have to open the box, set my usernames, then close xchat then REopen it.
[09:00] <r00tintheb0x> Cupsys?
[09:00] <r00tintheb0x> In apt?
[09:00] <r00tintheb0x> I'm not using "REAL" Ubuntu though.
[09:00] <shirish> in apt, I did the update & upgrade process
[09:00] <shirish> ah ok, Virtual machine
[09:01] <shirish> r00tintheb0x: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/32266/ or anybody else who has had experience with cupsys stuff
[09:02] <IdleOne> r00tintheb0x, if your using linux mint then you need to go ask in that support channel
[09:02] <shirish> IdleOne: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/32266/ any ideas?
[09:02] <r00tintheb0x> IdleOne, i dont think they have one.
[09:03] <IdleOne> yes they do check the website for linux mint
[09:03] <IdleOne> shirish, looking
[09:03] <r00tintheb0x> Okay, thanks IdleOne
[09:04] <shirish> IdleOne: thanx, if needed can make a bug-report, if some tests need to be done, can do
[09:04] <r00tintheb0x> ah IdleOne, different server.
[09:04] <IdleOne> shirish, did you try reinstalling cupsys
[09:04] <shirish> drats, why didn't that occur to me
[09:05] <shirish> IdleOne: and I again have an error there
[09:05] <IdleOne> Im not certain why it didnt install in the first place
[09:06] <shirish> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/32267/
[09:06] <shirish> IdleOne: Any ideas ?
[09:09] <shirish> IdleOne: trying to remove & purge gets me further in the snow http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/32268/
[09:10] <IdleOne> you woried about the ubuntu-desktop and xubuntu-desktop packages?
[09:11] <IdleOne> they are meta packages. safe to remove
[09:11] <DanaG> As long as you reinstall them later on.
[09:11] <IdleOne> yeah
[09:11] <shirish> ok
[09:12] <IdleOne> let it remove them get cupsys installed properly then later do sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop xubuntu-desktop
[09:12] <IdleOne> or it may cause problems when updating/upgrading later
[09:14] <shirish> ok cool, btw what is enscript? for its installing it while removing cupsys
[09:15] <george_> hi all :)
[09:16] <george_> I'm having a problem with Gutsy and I'm in need of some help :)
[09:17] <stdin> you have to ask the question if you want an answer :P
[09:18] <george_> stdin : I have 3 fat32 partitions on a hard disk (3 from 18 mixed partitions: ext3,swap,fat32,ntfs) that are not recognized as devices
[09:19] <george_> they are sdb16,sdb17 and sdb18 as reported by qtparted and fdisk-l
[09:19] <george_> but they do not appear in /dev
[09:19] <george_> so, I can't mount them :(
[09:20] <stdin> george_: I think that's a quirk with the kernel or udev, it only registers up to 15 partitions (or so I've heard)
[09:21] <george_> oh damn...I must have around 15 :(
[09:21] <george_> *18
[09:21] <george_> the weird thing is they worked in dapper,edgy and feisty, so I assume this is a recent issue ?
[09:22] <stdin> yeah, have a look on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu and see if you can find the bug report on it, they may have a workaround
[09:25] <shirish> wow didn't know that, I do recall seeing issues with vFAT stuff in Feisty but nothing about no. of partitions
[09:27] <george_> stdin : can't seem to find the bug report now , I hope an update will fix this
[09:28] <george_> shirish : well, for me, feisty worked just well with those partitions :)
[09:29] <shirish> george_: there is supposed to be a kernel update sometime today or did it happen? Ben Collins did make something in the queque but dunno if that will be the answer of your problems or not
[09:30] <george_> shirish : I got just a kernel-headers update , and I'm up to date with the updates, so, maybe the fix is due for another day :)
[09:48] <BluesKaj> I guess if i just change the debs in my sources list to gutsy inplace of feisty , running the ' sudo aptitude dist-upgrade ' will upgrade me from feisty to gutsy tribe 3 ?
[09:48] <DanaG> Argh. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/knetworkmanager/+bug/121895
[09:48] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 121895 in knetworkmanager "knetworkmanager systray right-click and left-click behaviors have swapped places" [Undecided,Incomplete] 
[09:49] <DanaG> I usually like to run the GUI aptitude to do dist-upgrades.  It makes dependency issues nicer to figure out.
[09:49] <BluesKaj> I don't have the aptitude gui , DanaG
[09:50] <BluesKaj> oops
[09:50] <shirish> just do sudo aptitude
[09:51] <BluesKaj> oh well , we'll soon find out :)
[09:51] <BluesKaj> yeah, just did  shirish
[09:53] <BluesKaj> my internet conn is VG to the sources ...getting full speed on most apps
[10:00] <shirish> VG as in Very Good i guess
[10:00] <BluesKaj> yup
[10:01] <shirish> IdleOne: I did the re-install now the new version doesn't show up in the update/upgrade scenario
[10:01] <BluesKaj> 95%
[10:01] <shirish> oops, seems I already got the latest one now ;)
[10:06] <IdleOne> shirish, cupsys installed now?
[10:07] <shirish> IdleOne: yup it did it ;)
[10:07] <IdleOne> glad to hear it
[10:07] <IdleOne> now look forward to the next breakage :P
[10:07] <shirish> IdleOne: I have made a bug-report out of it though, should I mark it invalid
[10:08] <shirish> IdleOne: I know :P
[10:08] <IdleOne> really dont know shirish let the devs decide on that
[10:09] <shirish> IdleOne: checked, actually Till already replied to the bug, just checked it now https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/130014
[10:09] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 130014 in cupsys "[Gutsy]  Unable to upgrade or reinstall cupsys after trying to upgrade" [Undecided,New] 
[10:10] <databuddy> !paste
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[10:10] <databuddy> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/32275/
[10:10] <apol> hi, I have a little problem when using konqueror+flash on gutsy
[10:10] <apol> it hangs konqueror
[10:13] <shirish> can anybody see the swfdec mozilla plugin anywhere?
[10:16] <databuddy> anyone know how to take a netinstall cd iso and write to flash drive so it can be booted to be installed?
[10:17] <IdleOne> !install | databuddy check these links there should be info on what you want to do
[10:17] <ubotu> databuddy check these links there should be info on what you want to do: Ubuntu can be installed in lots of ways. Please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation for documentation. Problems during install? See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommonProblemsInstall and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperReleaseNotes/UbiquityKnownIssues - See also !automate
[10:19] <databuddy> IdleOne: thanx trying now
[10:23] <shirish> IdleOne: do you use pidgin or some other client?
[10:24] <IdleOne> I dont use pidgin sorry
[10:24] <IdleOne> I know there are a couple people in #ubuntu-offtopic who do
[10:25] <shirish> IdleOne: I don't mind going to #ubuntu-offtopic but are these gutsy people?
[10:25] <IdleOne> probably a few
[10:25] <shirish> IdleOne: I need people who use gutsy & use pidgin on top of that
[10:25] <shirish> ah ok
[10:36] <arpu> hi anyone else have the problem with wlan and skype ?
[10:36] <arpu> when skype is on my wlan disconnect after 10 min ...
[10:38] <databuddy> ok sorry i forgot who it was
[10:38] <databuddy> but someone just gave me linky to do the usb boot thing installer
[10:38] <databuddy> i tried the dealio and got booterror
[10:38] <databuddy> any ideas?
[10:38] <jlu_> good evening. i have some trouble installing gusty. I'm installing in text mode and if I'm at the point where I can create/chose the partition, I can't see the partitions which exist on the harddrive. Is this normal ?
[10:42] <databuddy> jlu_: you need to select manual partitioning ?
[10:43] <databuddy> push esc and go back to partitioning bit
[10:43] <databuddy> make sure you select manual partitioning and go from there?
[10:44] <jlu_> i selected it but the installer show me only the whole hdd without any partitions
[10:46] <IdleOne> jlu_, is there windows or another os on that hd?
[10:47] <jlu_> IdleOne, there is one partition with windows xp, one with feisty, one home and one data partition
[10:50] <IdleOne> jlu_, you just want to upgrade feisty or install gutsy in its own partition?
[10:51] <d4rkmonkey> Hey, can someone help me with my optical drive issues? I've explained it a bunch here: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=515568
[10:52] <IdleOne> if upgrading boot into feisty and add the cd as a repo in System>Administration>Update Manager
[10:52] <jlu_> IdleOne, I want to install it in its own partition, but if i chose manual in the installer i can partition only the complete drive.
[10:53] <IdleOne> jlu_, then boot to feisty and run gparted to partiton your hd then install to that partition
[10:53] <d4rkmonkey> hey jussi01!
[10:53] <jussi01> hello
[10:53] <IdleOne> not sure how I just did it but I somehow moved the top panel down to the bottom of the screen heh
[10:54] <jlu_> IdleOne, thats my problem i don't see the partitions off the harddrive in the installer if i chose manual
[10:54] <d4rkmonkey> jussi01, you wouldn't happen to know how I can get my optical drive working, would you? I used to use piix but it doesn't seem available in the newest kernel, and ata_piix doesn't work
[10:54] <jussi01> d4rkmonkey: no idea
[10:54] <d4rkmonkey> jussi01, thanks anyways
[10:54] <IdleOne> might be a bug. file a bug report to launchpad jlu_
[10:55] <IdleOne> afk
[10:55] <jussi01> !bug
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[10:55] <jlu_> IdleOne, okay
[11:03] <ompaul> !upgrade
[11:03] <ubotu> For upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes
[11:05] <databuddy> IdleOne: gah ok i did the directions
[11:05] <databuddy> it boots from roomates computer but not mine.
[11:05] <databuddy> and i know i had things working in the usb key before - any ideas?
[11:06] <defcon> I installed gutsy and I also compiled and installed a kernel module for my belkin rt73 usb dongle and got a kernel panic
[11:07] <defcon> I had to remove the 2.6.22 kernel and use 2.6.20-16-generic
[11:26] <defcon> E: /var/cache/apt/archives/netapplet_1.0.8-1ubuntu3_i386.deb: subprocess new pre-removal script returned error exit status 1
[11:26] <defcon> anyone know why this is happening
[11:45] <PriceChild> Doesn't anyone else here using gutsy also use gmail?
[11:46] <PriceChild> bah.... *Does
[11:46] <pwnguin> is theres something wrong with it?
[11:46] <Anlar> I will, after the 1100 packages required for upgrade to gutsy will be downloaded ;)
[11:46] <PriceChild> well I can't use it... and I don't know why :P
[11:46] <PriceChild> running out of solutions...
[11:46] <PriceChild> /reasons
[11:49] <tingle> hi, im looking for CLI nzbclient is there one for gutsy?
[11:54] <defcon> PriceChild, i use gmail and am running gutsy
[11:55] <PriceChild> grrr what have i broken?
[11:55] <PriceChild> "I haven't touched it" :P
[11:55] <PriceChild> its wierd because i can pop and smtp fine
[11:56] <defcon> u mean the gmail applet?
[11:56] <PriceChild> well that works... and also evolution
[11:56] <PriceChild> Hmmm and now i'm having trouble with uk.archive.ubuntu.com.... this is not my day :)
[11:57] <defcon> dunno
[11:57] <defcon> hehe
[11:57] <defcon> check ur dns settings
[11:57] <PriceChild> I've just switched isp
[11:57] <PriceChild> but everything else is working fine
[11:58] <defcon> use a different dns
[11:58] <PriceChild> use a different isp? P
[11:58] <d4rkmonkey> lol
[12:01] <defcon> im getting a kernel panic when I compile/install the rt73 module for my usb wireless dongle
[12:01] <d4rkmonkey> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=515568 <--- anyone help with that?
[12:01] <defcon> anyone know a work around
[12:03] <tomi> where do i find the oxygen them for kde4 beta1? running gutsy
[12:04] <Pici> Another day.. another bug logged
[12:04] <defcon> is app-armor needed in gutsy
[12:27] <defcon> I am getting a KERNEL PANIC once I plug in my usb dongle, it is a belkin rt73 chipset, I compiled my own driver and installed the module like this http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=400236
[12:27] <defcon> with gutsy
[12:27] <defcon> any help/advice appreciated