[12:32] opop: Sounds like something changed in your xwindows setup, compiz-fusion and beryl are nearly the same thing. [12:32] X is fine, same xorg.conf. [12:33] i'll tweak a thing or two. maybe take out the allowglxwithcomposite argument. === opopanax [n=steve@unaffiliated/opopanaxgentoo] has joined #ubuntu+1 [12:40] no es goodo [12:41] ah, wonderful. no beryl in gutsy. fuck my ass, what else? [12:42] omg, i'm so sorry [12:42] wc [12:42] opopanax, beryl does not exist anymore [12:42] ok, cool. [12:43] i'm wondering what's up with my config, then... [12:43] ah well, i'm sure it will all work out in the end. === Takeya|Ikuhara [n=dieske@101-42.126-70.tampabay.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 === coNP [n=conp@unaffiliated/conp] has joined #ubuntu+1 === choudesh [n=choudesh@12.104.116.38] has joined #ubuntu+1 [12:46] any reason the 3d windows didn't make it from beryl, anyone know? [12:47] opopanax, needs a core patch to work properly [12:47] compiz core that is [12:47] isn't beryl that theme thing? [12:47] once that patch is in core, 3d will be put into a plugin pack [12:47] like xgl? [12:47] i see. [12:48] well, like beryl. [12:48] you can already get it from gitweb and compile it yourself, but it has issues [12:48] i'm new to this and how do you get xgl on ububtu? [12:48] xgl's long dead, too, right? [12:48] really? [12:48] no [12:48] oh yeah [12:49] Xgl isn't dead but most people don't need it [12:49] isn't beryl the new xgl? [12:49] no [12:49] that's right, it was an abstraction layer, right? [12:49] hmmm [12:49] Xgl, AIGLX, and nvidia's thing are platforms that composite manager like beryl and compiz can run on [12:49] i want those special feature that xgl has [12:49] the cube and all [12:49] the linux 3d desktop has come a long way. === opopanax digs the cube. [12:50] yeah exactly, Xgl is an abstraction layer [12:50] i've used the packet manager [12:50] i have the beryl core [12:50] but [12:50] i'm so lost [12:50] Takeya|Ikuhara: Are you running on Gutsy? [12:50] ....uhhh [12:50] no....clue [12:50] !version [12:50] To find out what version of Ubuntu you have, type lsb_release -a in a !shell [12:50] ruh roh. [12:50] !version [12:51] !versin [12:51] Sorry, I don't know anything about versin - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi [12:51] hmm [12:51] !version [12:51] :/ [12:51] Takeya|Ikuhara: just read what ubotu said [12:51] lol [12:51] !shell lsb_release -a [12:51] ... [12:51] !shell lsb_release -a [12:51] uhh [12:51] open a terminal [12:52] i guess I don't have bangy goodness plugged in. [12:52] oh [12:52] where can I replace metacity with emerald? [12:53] opopanax, those aren't comparable [12:53] metacity is a window manager, emerald is a decorator for compiz [12:53] Distributor ID: Ubuntu [12:53] Description: Ubuntu 7.04 [12:53] Release: 7.04 [12:53] Codename: feisty [12:53] that's what i got === nicolai_ [n=nicolai@port138.ds1-naer.adsl.cybercity.dk] has left #ubuntu+1 ["Konversation] [12:54] Takeya|Ikuhara: This is the channel for the development version of Ubuntu, you'd be better off asking compiz/beryl/xgl questions in #ubuntu-effects and general Ubuntu questions in #ubuntu [12:54] i know what it is. I guess I'm asking, where do I change the command line from compiz to compiz --replace emrald [12:54] my god [12:54] opopanax, ccsm: window decoration> commmand [12:54] so many channels [12:54] ... so little time...heh [12:54] all i want is something like xgl on my ububtu [12:55] Spangle: This isnt the right channel to ask, you'd get a much faster reply in those channels I mentioned. [12:55] spangle: try beryl in feisty, or go cutting edge and look for the feisty compiz-fusion howto in the forums. [12:57] hah! thank you, crdlb [12:57] hmm [12:57] couldn't find it at first. [12:58] "emerald --replace" should do it, yeah? [12:58] opopanax, beryl in fiesty? o_O [12:58] i had it a week ago. it's in universe, even. [12:58] o_O [12:58] i know, i was shocked meself [12:59] so [12:59] so... [12:59] cool [12:59] so.. i sleep more than is required for a human being? what do you want from me? [12:59] i'm already in the ubuntu-effects channel [01:00] heh...nothing [01:00] i don't think [01:00] there's anyone there [01:00] ;_; [01:02] compiz (+fusion) on gutsy really seems to struggle a lot more than i remember beryl doing under high cpu load... [01:03] PriceChild, yeah, i think i have to agree. but the new nvidia driver seems to be ok. [01:03] new nvidia driver? [01:03] nvidia-glx-new [01:03] not super new, right? [01:03] isn't it stil 9755...? === hggdh [n=hggdh@pool-71-170-39-244.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has left #ubuntu+1 [] === miguelon [n=migsol@201.230.187.30] has joined #ubuntu+1 [01:07] PriceChild, yeah [01:08] that was in feisty... === bronson [n=bronson@66.237.74.66.ptr.us.xo.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === cyphase [n=cyphase@c-71-198-55-219.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [01:10] PriceChild, ok, wonderful. [01:10] i wasn't aware of it till a little bit ago [01:10] PriceChild, no gl yield helps with that [01:10] ie __GL_YIELD="NOTHING" [01:12] how do i set that? [01:12] erm you could modify the wrapper script I guess === rockets [n=rockets@pool-68-160-208-154.ny325.east.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === theoros [n=theoros@unaffiliated/theoros] has joined #ubuntu+1 === vlowther [n=vlowther@adsl-75-55-115-198.dsl.austtx.sbcglobal.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [01:30] arrgh -- iwl3945 == teh suck [01:30] i love this channel. [01:31] if I let the system try to unload the module going into suspend, the system beeps at me every 10 seconds forever complaining about reference counts. [01:31] If I add it to MODULES_WHITELIST, it kills a core on my core duo [01:32] (the system still runs, though!) [01:32] until I suspend/resume again, then kablooey [01:32] something is horribly fscked up with locking in that driver. [01:34] it was enough to drive me into actually booting the Vista partition. :( === miguelon [n=migsol@201.230.187.30] has joined #ubuntu+1 === rockets [n=rockets@pool-68-160-208-154.ny325.east.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === opopanax [n=steve@unaffiliated/opopanaxgentoo] has joined #ubuntu+1 === mayday_jay [n=mayday_j@216.145.101.109] has joined #ubuntu+1 [01:58] how do i change the dpi? I'm getting suddenly that tiny-font issue === leperkhanz [n=rhy@ip68-111-203-36.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [02:10] Anyone know where I can get a 2.1.0 .deb for Pidgin? [02:14] you can build one. [02:15] getdeb.net is down, and last I was on they didn't have the most recent build. === wfarr_ [n=wfarr@adsl-219-42-101.asm.bellsouth.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [02:24] crdlb: The wrapper already sets __GL_YIELD [02:24] oh [02:24] It's just that the nvidia drivers suck under load. [02:24] Yay binary blobs. [02:25] ah I see it now [02:27] yay crappy drivers [02:30] it might not be the nvidia drivers.. it could be the schedular [02:30] latest linux kernel relaces SD schedular with CFS [02:31] which apparently improves 3d performance under load === opopanax [n=steve@unaffiliated/opopanaxgentoo] has joined #ubuntu+1 [02:31] that's only applicable if you're using a self-compiled 2.6.23ish [02:31] might be worth looking into though [02:41] this is fun... === maniacmusician_ [n=maniacmu@24-151-1-004.dhcp.nwtn.ct.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 [02:47] What's fun? [02:47] When is the new scheduler going to show up in Update Manager? [02:49] What new scheduler? [02:49] ...it won't for gutsy. [02:49] he means Linus merging CFS. [02:49] Ah.= [02:50] And the pluggable sheduling stuff. [02:50] aye [02:50] Yeah. No matter how good an idea people on Ubuntuforums think it is, I don't think the kernel team feel that 2.6.23 is a good idea :) [02:51] :P [02:53] indeed -- andrew morton is probably bitching about all the half-assed patches people think _MUST_GO_IN_RIGHT_NOW!!!1! at this very instant. ;) === OSUKid7 [n=OSUKid7@acm.bw.edu] has joined #ubuntu+1 === databuddy [n=starz@unaffiliated/databuddy] has joined #ubuntu+1 === choudesh [n=choudesh@12.104.116.38] has joined #ubuntu+1 [03:03] so the kernel is already frozen for gutsy? [03:04] why not use a new scheduler? :P [03:04] i think the reality is.. it makes very little diference [03:04] what makes every little difference? [03:04] i mean.. who plays games with 6 shell scripts looping infinitely in the background anyway [03:04] very* [03:04] the kernel isn't "frozen", but it won't move from the 2.6.22 branch [03:05] apparently theres lots of bugfixes and new drivers etc for 23 [03:05] but im sure as always, theres regressions too.. one of those damned if you do, damned if you don't things [03:06] Ding! [03:06] besides, it would be damn near impossible to test/debug .23 to a stable state in under 2 months [03:07] The drivers have hopefully be backported with minimal disruption. [03:07] but users want it, so it must be good! [03:07] We should put automatix in ubuntu-desktop! [03:07] users don't always know what they really want ::p [03:08] and please don't put automatix in ubuntu-desktop or I'll have an aneurysm === avb [n=avb@ns1.avb.bas-net.by] has joined #ubuntu+1 [03:09] hi all === RAOF notes that sarcasm may be hard to detect on irc :) [03:09] guys, can someody tell me what is a difference of configuration of a gnome-sccreensaver on livecd and oninstalled system? [03:09] let's replace the restricted drivers manager with envy! [03:10] i just copied livecd system to mine harddrive, coz installator was broken [03:10] i dont think that this is a bug. just because of nonstandrart install [03:10] o_O === chrisbudden14 [n=chrisbud@dsl-dp-81-140-108-130.in-addr.broadbandscope.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 [03:10] the sad thing is that ati wont put aiglx into fglrx before gutsy release.. no doubt [03:11] can i get a promise that if they do release it in time.. no matter how late in the development cycle it is.. its included? ;) [03:11] Heh. [03:11] j/k [03:12] snadge: it will be in next LTS [03:12] :) [03:12] Not a chance. Also, you probably don't want to play with Composite+GL on fglrx for a year or so. That's about how long it took nvidia to fix their stuff :) [03:12] sigh.. everythings always a year away, or in the next release [03:13] they still haven't fixed their stuff :) [03:13] if by "fix" you mean "crashes less often than you average reboot rate", then yes. [03:13] use intel and be free from bugs [03:13] and crashes [03:13] hahahaha [03:13] and performance [03:13] ;) [03:14] for me performance is perfect [03:14] i945 [03:14] compiz works perfect [03:14] And random BLINKing. [03:14] Damn nvidia. [03:14] and no blinking :) [03:14] thats terrible.. people whinging about nvidia's drivers [03:14] intel++ [03:14] Oh yeah, HP sells even 17" notebooks with the option of the Intel IGP. [03:14] ... and a pony? [03:15] i reckon their punishment should be to use an ATI card for a month [03:15] i get about 1200 FPS on i945 :) [03:15] i'm using 1600x1200 in i945 [03:15] sometimes [03:15] something nice and crappy.. like an unsupported radeon 9200 [03:15] with shared memory [03:15] im happy with them [03:15] as i was happy with i855gm before [03:15] crimsun: is there any way to get the alsa-info.sh to give me a file, not a pastebin? [03:15] snadge, what's wrong with a 9200? [03:15] snadge: Hey, I'll take a 9200 off your hands! [03:16] snadge: No binary blob? Score! [03:16] oops, I didn't realize you hadn't been talking for a while. === mike [n=bob@adsl-074-236-242-009.sip.bgk.bellsouth.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [03:16] nobody saw gnome-screensaver from inside? [03:17] problem that i cant lock screen is realy annoying [03:17] RAOF: the one i've got is unsupported by radeon driver [03:17] i need to carry my laptop with me even on lounch :) [03:17] something about not having access to how it does its memory registers or something [03:17] because of this issue === mrigns_ [n=mrigns@unaffiliated/mrigns] has joined #ubuntu+1 [03:17] snadge, Xpress 200? === vlowther shudders [03:18] and then.. because its so old and crappy.. you have to use the "legacy" fglrx driver [03:18] not that card. [03:18] ew [03:18] which was released over a year ago [03:19] Aargh, how do I get rid of the blinking? [03:19] DanaG: Use nouveau. [03:20] Can you run compiz-fusion on it? [03:20] I'm willing to give it a try if it's reasonbly easy to compile and install. [03:21] DanaG: Hell, no. You can run glxgears on it, probably :) [03:21] DanaG: And I'll have some packages in my PPA for it by the end of the week or so, if you'd like to test :) [03:22] /usr/lib/gnome-screensaver/gnome-screensaver-dialog [03:22] ** (gnome-screensaver-dialog:7999): WARNING **: Screen locking disabled: running under GDM [03:22] i find a problem === afflux [i=fnord@pentabarf.de] has left #ubuntu+1 [] [03:23] [ 23.092000] NVRM: loading NVIDIA UNIX x86 Kernel Module 1.0-9755 Mon Feb 26 23:21:15 PST 2007 [03:23] OOps, I thought that would say my model. [03:24] Heh, no :) [03:24] You're after "lspci | grep VGA" :) [03:25] or lspci | grep VGA|awk -F: '{print $3}'|sed 's/ [a-Z] * Corporation // ; s/(.*)//g' [03:25] G70 [GeForce Go 7600] [03:25] Duude, that's g73, not g70. Durrh. [03:25] Hey, that's my card. You get good RENDER acceleration. [03:25] G7x. [03:25] Or, really, NV4x :) [03:26] And a bunch of fun rendering bugs, but eh. :) [03:26] DanaG: hmm, where have I seen that command before ;) [03:27] Beats me.... from you? [03:27] yep :p === mike [n=bob@adsl-074-236-242-009.sip.bgk.bellsouth.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [03:28] Greets, everyone [03:29] could someone tell me what mesa-related packages i need to uninstall before installing mesa from git? i have libgl1-mesa-dev libgl1-mesa-dri libgl1-mesa-glx libglu1-mesa mesa-common-dev and mesa-utils installed (trying to get compiz-fusion running with the open-source driver and i was told the version of mesa i have isn't new enough for that) [03:30] open-source *ati* driver [03:30] mike: They lied. [03:30] umm... ok [03:30] Also, unistalling those mesa packages will remove half your system :) [03:30] ohh. well, thanks for the tip. heh [03:31] any ideas? i have direct rendering, but when i run "compiz --replace &" it just crashes X [03:31] mike: Unless you've got a Xpress 200, I think. [03:31] that's the one [03:31] hehe [03:31] What *is* your card. Oh :( [03:31] ? === crdlb didn't lie === blenderhead001 [n=blenderh@adsl-068-209-133-121.sip.jax.bellsouth.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [03:31] lol === crdlb is mad at RAOF now :( === DanaG finds it funny that NVIDIA themselves call PCIe PCI-X. [03:31] They're NOT the same! NOT NOT NOT! [03:31] crdlb: You shouldn't be suggesting mesa git! [03:32] DanaG: Very very much so! [03:32] err he wanted to get it working and I told him that's the only way [03:32] Aaah. [03:32] mike: Please don't break your system :) [03:32] Oh yeah, what package holds the zd1211 firmwares? [03:32] crdlb: Wouldn't he also need git drm? [03:32] he said that he heard 2.6.22 was new enough [03:33] Oh. Maybe. [03:33] RAOF: so i should just leave all those packages installed and install mesa and drm from git *over* them? [03:33] no that wouldn't be good either [03:33] mike: You should give up the dream of using an experimental driver :/ [03:33] mike, wait for adamk to come back, I think he does it in a safe way [03:33] ie installing stuff to /opt [03:33] Fglrx + Xgl should work for you. [03:34] RAOF: Well, FGLRX runs terribly on this thing. can't switch to a tty session, and it hangs at reboot (it's a dual-boot system) [03:34] wow I think most nvidia users have those problems :) [03:34] crdlb: i never did [03:34] mike: Yay for a binary blob even worse than [03:34] nvidia's. [03:34] (nvidia on the desktop, this is my grandfather's laptop) [03:34] What's with that BLINKING? [03:35] nVidia mind control technique. [03:35] Or eyeball-poking. [03:35] That's nvidia telling you to learn Xorg driver hacking, and fix nouveau :) [03:36] Oh heck, even their Windows drivers are broken -- on Windows, battery is stuck at no-acceleration. [03:36] Their plan is to slowly bring the nvidia drivers down to the level of fglrx, then discontinue it completely. [03:36] I can't even select "Balanced". [03:36] RAOF, haha [03:36] they're getting awfully close :P [03:36] And Vista drivers are worse. Close lid. Open lid. Video driver crashes. [03:36] Close lid. Open lid. Video driver crashes. [03:37] It'll take a while for it to get as bad as fglrx, so they're guessing nouveau will be ready in time :) [03:37] DanaG: no suprise, these are the same people who can't get their drivers+hardware to stop throwing STOP 0.EA errors in TEN YEARS. [03:37] (it's reproducible easily, but you may need to wait a bit with it closed.) [03:37] there's one thing I really like about fglrx over nvidia-glx === vlowther is a mild-mannered tech by day [03:37] On the plus side: for me, it recovers with naught but a 2-second freeze and blink. === firephoto [n=tom@pool-71-120-230-100.spknwa.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [03:38] Now Creative... that's a whole different rant. [03:38] even if the kernel module is broken, X still starts witn no direct rendering [03:38] why can't nvidia do that? [03:38] Once I managed to have my NVIDIA do something like that. [03:38] I had a version mismatch, or something, but X still started -- with GLX missing. [03:39] Because that would mean they'd need to use Xorg infrastructure, and everyone knows that Xorg infrastructure is vastly inferior to a custom-hacked nvidia job. [03:39] bizzare -- X has always cratered when I inadvertenrly did that. [03:39] Me too. [03:39] Perhaps it was a libglx mismatch, not a kernel-xorg mismatch. [03:39] I haven't been able to reproduce it. === mike [n=bob@adsl-074-236-242-009.sip.bgk.bellsouth.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [03:40] !noveau [03:40] Sorry, I don't know anything about noveau - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi [03:40] RAOF: well, that used to not be the case -- way back in the XFree days... [03:40] waah. [03:40] it's nouveau :) [03:40] also needs a !seamlessvirtualization or a !seamlessrdp [03:40] and once the decision is made, there is politics, and... [03:40] vlowther: You mean, nvidia used XFree infrastructure? [03:40] Though that acts odd for me: I get the full-desktop AAANnnndd the separate window. [03:41] RAOF: no, that it sucked for what nVidia wanted, and it took an act of $deity to change anything. [03:41] Aaah. [03:42] Link me to a nouveau how-to, pleeaze! [03:42] Will it be usable for compiz-fusion? [03:42] no [03:42] DanaG: http://nouveau.freedesktop.org/wiki/InstallNouveau , and no, c-f won't work [03:42] will it work at all, probably not :P [03:42] give it a year. :) [03:42] s/Will/Is/ (oops, that's a worse sentence. ) [03:43] DanaG: Also, wait till the end of the week or so, and I should have a PPA full of nouveau packages for your edification. [03:43] DanaG: no shiny for you! [03:43] PPA? [03:43] it's a new launchpad thing [03:43] Personal Package Archive. Basically, a personal buildd on launchpad. [03:43] Everyone can make one! [03:43] I see PPA, I think of cheap USB hard drive enclosures. [03:44] ? === RAOF wonders whether WoW-OpenGL+Compiz crashes X... yup. [03:46] no real suprise there. :) [03:46] How about glxinfo on sis? [03:47] Openchrome? [03:47] I don't know what chipset. [03:48] Oh, that's for Via, sorry. [03:48] yeah there's *nothing* for SIS [03:49] I think a good test of 3D ability is whether something can reasonably run rss-glx screensavers. [03:49] Well, nouveau fails that test. [03:50] I like the Flux screensaver, particularly -- except for when gnome-screensaver lets it run at something like 500 FPS. [03:51] And now, for a completely different issue: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/111145 [03:51] Launchpad bug 111145 in linux-source-2.6.20 "sigmatel STAC9250 on ATI HDA SB on gateway laptop - no sound capture " [Low,Incomplete] [03:52] Though the report is for ATI southbridge, I have the same on my Intel laptop. === eMaX_ [n=emax@242.7.77.83.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined #ubuntu+1 === Toma- [n=e17@i156-171.nv.iinet.net.au] has joined #ubuntu+1 === firephoto [n=tom@pool-71-120-230-100.spknwa.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [04:09] I just compiled the latest ATI driver from GIT and got it up and running. I have direct rendering, but when I try to run "compiz --replace &", X crashes. This is on a Radeon Xpress 200M. Any ideas? [04:10] oh dear a friend mistakenly upgraded his feisty to gutsy (i was talking him through installing 2.6.22 from gutsy) [04:10] mike what happened when you used the restricted drivers? (not from git) [04:11] mrsno: I'm trying to avoid using them at this point because they prevent me from getting to a tty session and make the system hang at reboot (it's a dual-boot system). [04:12] hmm strange mike , i have once set up one of those graphics chipsets for someone before but it worked fine in edgy :/ [04:12] using FGLRX? [04:12] yep [04:13] hmm [04:13] mike i noticed the developer of 'envy' has posted some tips for using it on gutsy, i haven't tried it myself and may cause breakage but its something to try i guess === fiveiron [n=fiveiron@74-137-162-129.dhcp.insightbb.com] has left #ubuntu+1 ["Leaving"] [04:13] die envy die === stdin [i=stdin@unaffiliated/binary2k2] has joined #ubuntu+1 [04:13] lol [04:14] envy's no good? [04:14] die closed source drivers :-< [04:14] its one of a few options really [04:14] I just use the official nvidia installer when I want newer drivers. [04:15] well envy works for ati chips too, its a set of scripts so you can easily see what its doing and do it manually if required [04:16] wonder how long before AMD open their drivers :o [04:16] I think it'll be in 1.infinity years. [04:16] Or simply in NaN years. [04:17] Not a Number. [04:17] recent additions to their drivers suspect something is up :o they have commited to opening more code but who knows when === afflux [i=fnord@pentabarf.de] has joined #ubuntu+1 === afflux [i=fnord@pentabarf.de] has left #ubuntu+1 [] === jtt [n=jtholmes@adsl-065-006-144-253.sip.asm.bellsouth.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === DanaG loves to cat /dev/sda# to /dev/dsp. [04:26] Let's play "Name That File System!" [04:32] nn === d4rkmonkey [n=J-Red@CPE000bcd15b4ae-CM00195efba7ac.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 === Infecto_ [i=infecto@hydrozagadka.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 === mike [n=bob@adsl-074-236-242-009.sip.bgk.bellsouth.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [04:44] I veesh somebody would sell a laptop with switchable Intel and NVIDIA video cards. Or rather, IGP and discrete. [04:45] then you'd need to switch video drivers every time you flick the switch? === defcon [n=defcon@70-58-248-128.phnx.qwest.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [04:45] Actually, it'd be far simpler for the OEM to design it to lock when power is on. [04:45] That way it'd only be selectable before booting. [04:45] That'd be fine for me -- Intel for Linux and NVIDIA for Windows. [04:46] ah [04:46] DanaG: it does. See the debug file in /tmp [04:47] Oh yeah, what's the latest version of that script? [04:47] hrmm... this seems weird, although that could just be because of my ignorance - glxinfo reports "GLX_EXT_texture_from_pixmap" under server glx extensions, but compiz outputs "Checking for texture_from_pixmap: not present. Trying again with indirect rendering: Checking for texture_from_pixmap: present" [04:48] that one. [04:48] (.30) [04:48] Aah, okay. The one I noted in the bug report. [04:48] mike, that's normal [04:48] k [04:48] with the free drivers t_f_p is only available with indirect rendering [04:49] Oh ok [04:50] it says "checking for nvidia: not present" and "checking for xgl: not present" makes no mention of aiglx, so should i assume it's not even trying to use that platform? [04:51] no errors in the output at all, it just crashes X [04:51] yes those git drivers broke [04:52] that's not unexpected when building X things from git [04:54] from Xorg.0.log - "(WW) AIGLX: 3D driver claims to not support visual 0x23" - 0x32. is that normal? [04:54] yes [04:54] k [04:55] well, thanks a lot for all your help anyway crdlb. much appreciated. [04:57] i'm out, peace. === bf [n=bfallik@209-6-22-230.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 === bullgard4 [n=detlef@p54BF1D15.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu+1 === Dannilion [n=danni@149.254.200.222] has joined #ubuntu+1 === Knightlust [n=Dax@ubuntu/member/knightlust] has joined #ubuntu+1 === opopanax is now known as eddiedean === eddiedean is now known as opop [05:33] mmm.. ham & cheese croissant and an apple slice from the local deli bakery [05:38] I'd rather have a whole apple. [05:38] And croissant. [05:38] oh you know what i mean.. a pastry slice thing [05:38] with sugary apple stuff in it [05:39] it probably did have a whole apple in it ;) [05:39] was big enough [05:39] Oh, I saw "apple slice" as "a slice of an apple". === maniacmusician [n=maniacmu@24-151-1-004.dhcp.nwtn.ct.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 === rockets [n=rockets@pool-68-160-208-154.ny325.east.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === wfarr__ [n=wfarr@adsl-152-173-26.asm.bellsouth.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === bf [n=bfallik@209-6-22-230.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com] has left #ubuntu+1 ["Ex-Chat"] === TheGoodShepherd [n=lollersk@c-24-14-254-177.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === choudesh [n=choudesh@12.104.116.38] has joined #ubuntu+1 === \x6e\x65\x72\x64 [n=gaucho@201-40-156-77.smace701.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br] has joined #ubuntu+1 === Tomcat_` [n=Tomcat@p54A1D09D.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === xnix [n=xnix@n157s046.ntc.blacksburg.shentel.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === BentJ [n=BentJ@port46.ds1-esp.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #ubuntu+1 === maniacmusician [n=maniacmu@24-151-1-004.dhcp.nwtn.ct.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 [06:09] 04:00.0 Mass storage controller: Promise Technology, Inc. PDC20267 (FastTrak100/Ultra100) (rev 02) [06:09] gah thats where the thing shows up in lspci [06:09] but why cant the bios see it ;_; === BHSPitMonkey [n=stephen@adsl-65-69-153-144.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === d4rkmonkey [n=J-Red@CPE000bcd15b4ae-CM00195efba7ac.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 [06:28] Anyone help me with some wireless issues which are kernel related? [06:30] !ask [06:30] Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :) [06:33] RAOF, my wireless card works in 2.6.20-16-generic but not in the newest kernel, any idea why this could be? its not like its an old wireless card or anything === os2mac [n=jim@114-41-178-69.gci.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [06:34]