[12:41] <fdoving> nite.
[12:48] <TheInfinity> hmm
[12:48] <TheInfinity> powermanager crashes if i access kde via vnc
[12:48] <TheInfinity> should i make bug report? ;)
[03:47] <bddebian> Heya
[03:47] <jjesse> boo
[03:48] <bddebian> aahhh
[03:48] <jjesse> :)
[04:25] <DaSkreech> fdoving: how goes?
[05:13] <DaSkreech> There is no oxygen in the beta build?
[05:59] <DaSkreech> are we packaging Ghostscript?
[05:59] <DaSkreech> Never mind :0
[07:08] <nixternal> ouch, I feel for the person who finally decides on packaging qt jambi
[07:08] <nixternal> it just crossed my eyes...I am running their binary version, much easier that way :)
[07:09] <nixternal> and just so you know, you have to use Java >= 1.5
[07:09] <DaSkreech> Oh thank goodness
[07:09] <nixternal> ya, gcj is utter garbage
[08:56] <nixternal> anyone else with Gutsy and Qt4 Designer, set the preferences to Dockable and see if you can maximize it correctly
[08:59] <DaSkreech> nixternal: Why is there no oxygen in Gutsy?
[08:59] <nixternal> umm, because it can only be distributed with kde4
[09:00] <DaSkreech> With the KDE4 packages smarty :-P
[09:00] <nixternal> it is there
[09:00] <nixternal> at least it is for me
[09:00] <nixternal> g'nite
[09:00] <ScottK> Good night.
[09:00] <DaSkreech> Nite
[09:01] <DaSkreech> is there a beta 1 for feisty?
[09:06] <_StefanS_> fdoving: thanks for fixing that bluetooth thingy ;) - I had to attend to the family ..
[09:11] <_StefanS_> uhm.. gotta go mow the lawn.
[09:20] <DaSkreech> Hobbsee: Doesn't seem too bad a person just far to eager to help and knows basically noting
[09:20] <DaSkreech> hothing
[09:21] <DaSkreech> good lord I need to sleep
[09:21] <Hobbsee> DaSkreech: he's a well known ubuntu troll. he's just had a 6 month ban.
[09:21] <DaSkreech> kept telling ron7909 to install Hasty Hare
[09:21] <Hobbsee> DaSkreech: he gets no chances.  none.
[09:22] <DaSkreech> and told him that only Ubuntu's marked edition are supported
[09:22] <DaSkreech> basically a pain who won't shut up while not really being a malicious prick
[09:23] <Hobbsee> that counts as trolling.  poke me when you next see him, and he can go for another 6 months.
[09:28] <Tonio_> yo Hobbsee :)
[09:28] <Hobbsee> hiya Tonio_
[09:32] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: looks like mithrandir forgot to upload bluez-utils before leaving
[09:32] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: he did for bluez-libs
[09:33] <Hobbsee> ahh
[09:33] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: well not a big issue, but that means no new kdebluetooth till he is back
[09:34] <Hobbsee> ah
[09:34] <Hobbsee> he's back on monday
[09:34] <Tonio_> yeah can wait a bit
[09:34] <Tonio_> maybe he also has a good reason not to upload
[09:34] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: he had to merge several thiings, including my changes, debian, his own changes etc...
[09:34] <Tonio_> can take some time
[09:41] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: how to change the package a bug is attached too ?
[09:41] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: click on package (ubuntu), and change it, then hit save changes
[09:42] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: oki thanks
[10:01] <Hobbsee> nixternal: poke
[10:04] <fdoving> so.. did anyone investigate the nspluginviewer issue?
[10:05] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: may have
[10:05] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: freeze on tuesday, btw
[10:07] <Tonio_> fdoving: nobody, well I tried, but it didn't work for me
[10:08] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: yeah I know, but it wouldn't be hard getting an exception for kdebluetooth btw
[10:09] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: tribe freeze.  not UVF and such.
[10:12] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: oki I thought you talked about the feature freeze :)
[10:12] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: nah...
[10:22] <fdoving> Tonio_: is there a bugreport for the nspluginview thing?
[10:23] <Tonio_> fdoving: sure, just type nspliginviewer in malone search , you'll find several ones
[10:24] <Tonio_> fdoving: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs?field.searchtext=nspluginviewer&orderby=-importance&search=Search&field.status%3Alist=New&field.status%3Alist=Incomplete&field.status%3Alist=Confirmed&field.status%3Alist=Triaged&field.status%3Alist=In+Progress&field.status%3Alist=Fix+Committed&field.assignee=&field.bug_reporter=&field.omit_dupes=on&field.has_patch=&field.has_no_package=
[10:24] <fdoving> i found them.
[10:25] <fdoving> launchpad generates userfriendly urls :)
[10:25] <Tonio_> fdoving: the nsplugin issue is linked to the OOo one
[10:25] <Tonio_> fdoving: they happened after the same update, with same consequence (cpu overload)
[10:25] <Tonio_> fdoving: I suspect fixing one would fix the second
[10:25] <Tonio_> fdoving: interesting to know, the issue is external to nsplugin, as the problem appeared without any kde package update
[10:25] <Tonio_> fdoving: I suspect a lib
[10:30] <fdoving> i suspect gtk.
[10:45] <Tonio_> fdoving: that's possible...... btw OOo will be fixed, so I have no doubt the nsplugin thing will be fixed at the same moment
[10:45] <Tonio_> fdoving: fancy help on the kbluetooth part again
[10:45] <Tonio_> ?
[10:45] <Tonio_> fdoving: the segfault on the paired things kcm soulw be interesting to fix I guess
[10:45] <fdoving> Tonio_: i have limited time today, but if you explain the problem i might be able to help alittle.
[10:46] <Tonio_> fdoving: ah oki
[10:46] <Tonio_> fdoving: well due to a little change recently, it segfaults.... that worked one week ago
[10:46] <Tonio_> fdoving: diffing the svn might help finding the isue
[10:49] <Tonio_> fdoving: the problem is that it hasn't been changed for more than a month, so the issue is somewhere else....
[10:49] <Tonio_> fdoving: I'll eventually ping upstream concerning this
[12:09] <Riddell> Tonio_: an upload of openoffice is unlikely to fix flash
[12:12] <Hobbsee> hiya Riddell
[12:12] <fdoving> as downgrading gtk2.0 to 2.10.11-0ubuntu3 fixes this issue for most (haven't tried myself yet), i belive some gtk behaviour must have changed.
[12:13] <Tonio_> Riddell: of course, but I suspect openoffice isn't the cause
[12:13] <fdoving> Tonio_: i think i'll focus on this flash issue today, it's annoying me extremely.
[12:13] <Tonio_> Riddell: probably a lib causes the same issue with both apps
[12:15] <fdoving> stracing, gdb-ing and valgrinding nspluginviewer doesn't give me anything usefull.
[12:28] <Riddell> fdoving: https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=294385
[12:28] <ubotu> Novell bug 294385 in KDE "nspluginviewer block konqueror and takes 100% CPU" [Critical,Assigned] 
[12:32] <_StefanS_> fdoving: thanks for that fix to kdebluetooth ;) - real life called.
[12:32] <_StefanS_> fdoving: are you discussing that openoffice not functioning?
[12:33] <_StefanS_> fdoving: I have a bug also related to acroread 7..
[12:33] <fdoving> i don't care so much about openoffice, i want flash to not kill konqueror.
[12:33] <fdoving> it's the same.
[12:33] <_StefanS_> uhm ok.
[12:33] <_StefanS_> I guess its an issue for some ppl in #ubuntu-devel ?
[12:35] <_StefanS_> fdoving: did that fade thingy in kdesudo work for you btw?
[12:35] <fdoving> haven't looked at kdesudo.
[12:35] <_StefanS_> fdoving: oh, it was mhb .. sorry
[12:37] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: did we fix those progress indicators yet?
[12:38] <_StefanS_> fdoving: ^
[12:38] <_StefanS_> when up/down-loading
[12:38] <_StefanS_> uhm guess not.
[12:39] <fdoving> _StefanS_: works for me, except it doesn't show speed.
[12:40] <_StefanS_> fdoving: exactly.. just hangs till its done.
[12:40] <fdoving> _StefanS_: i belive it works on per-file-chunks.
[12:40] <_StefanS_> it dont.
[12:40] <_StefanS_> oh sorry ,
[12:40] <_StefanS_> yes it might.
[12:40] <fdoving> shows 0 till one file is done, then calculate how much that one file is compared to all files.
[12:40] <fdoving> works for me.
[12:40] <fdoving> but it doesn't show speed.
[12:40] <fdoving> if you only copy one file i guess it's kinda useless.
[12:42] <_StefanS_> yes.. but I dont know if that can be fixed since the readReq() and readData() does the progress inside (in the buffer), and afterwards it gets putted by obexftp
[12:44] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: nope
[12:45] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: well I might be able to look at it later... if fdoving doesn't finish it before that ;)
[12:45] <Tonio_> hehe
[12:46] <fdoving> _StefanS_: i don't belive i will have time to even look at that progress-thing today.
[12:46] <fdoving> and i will focus my time on that "#%"#% annoying flash/gtk/ooo/acroread issue.
[12:47] <_StefanS_> fdoving: righto, be sure to let me know if you need help... or confusion by me;)
[01:57] <apachelogger> hey guys
[01:57] <apachelogger> what's the status of the KDE 4b1 packages?
[02:00] <gnomefreak> looks like they just need respin
[02:03] <gnomefreak> weirdest part in this is i can only think that python-sip4 would be the reason why the 11 apps need to be removed
[02:05] <Riddell> apachelogger: still waiting on them
[02:05] <Riddell> for feisty anyway
[02:06] <Riddell> this is why I don't like using backports
[02:06] <apachelogger> +1
[02:06] <apachelogger> Riddell: are they still building?
[02:06] <apachelogger> or didn't start at all yet?
[02:07] <apachelogger> have been told the users are driving the kubuntu-de guys nuts ^_^
[02:07] <Riddell> seems strigi failed to get into the archive, so that's what we're waiting on now https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/strigi/0.5.4~svn693047-0ubuntu1~feisty1
[02:07] <Riddell> then kde4libs, kdepimlibs and hopefully one day kde4base
[02:08] <apachelogger> hm
[02:08] <apachelogger> k, thanks
[02:10] <mhb> Riddell: can we do something to speed up the building process?
[02:10] <Riddell> not really, just keep an eye on it I guess
[02:11] <mhb> Riddell: no offence, but people are getting uneasy about the packages (for Feisty ) being always a few days late
[02:11] <Riddell> I know, it's because I'm told to do it in backports.  I didn't used to for exactly this reason
[02:11] <apachelogger> well
[02:12] <apachelogger> backport needs a swap space between actual archive and finished build
[02:12] <apachelogger> this way we can build some days in advance
[02:12] <apachelogger> and just push the packages to the archive at release time
[02:13] <Riddell> yes, we'd need ppa's which 1) are hidden 2) can build against backports and 3) can move source and binaries instantly into the real archive
[02:13] <Hobbsee> Riddell: arent you an archive admin, so should be able to psuh them thru yourself?
[02:13] <Riddell> Hobbsee: yes, the problem is the slow speed of the buildds
[02:14] <Hobbsee> Riddell: ahhh
[02:14] <Riddell> dunno if backports is on a lower priority or something but it seems to take ages for things to move to compile
[02:14] <Hobbsee> Riddell: are you fixing the standard py-qt & sip breakage?
[02:14] <Hobbsee> or do you wan tme to look?
[02:14] <Riddell> and this time I've had two new packages which get blocked in New, so I need to approve those and they got stuck overnight
[02:14] <Riddell> then last night I discover strigi wasn't uploaded for some reason so still nothing much had compiled
[02:14] <apachelogger> :|
[02:15] <Riddell> Hobbsee: if people are certain pyqt builds with the new sip it can just be uploaded with the changed build-dep
[02:15] <Hobbsee> Riddell: i've no idea.
[02:16] <Hobbsee> ah right, great
[02:18] <Riddell> hmm, it doesn't have any problems
[02:19] <Riddell> was it qt 4?
[02:19] <Hobbsee> amarok was dying, etc
[02:19] <Riddell> amarok?  that doesn't use python
[02:19] <Hobbsee> #
[02:19] <Hobbsee> The following packages will be REMOVED:
[02:19] <Riddell> oh, it does
[02:19] <Hobbsee> #
[02:19] <Hobbsee>   amarok amarok-xine hwdb-client-kde kde-guidance kubuntu-desktop
[02:19] <Riddell> weird, what for?
[02:20] <Hobbsee> #
[02:20] <Hobbsee>   language-selector-qt libgnash0 python-kde3 python-qt3 python-qt4
[02:20] <Hobbsee> #
[02:20] <Hobbsee>   software-properties-kde
[02:20] <Hobbsee> Riddell: py-sip4
[02:20] <Hobbsee> probably scripts, etc?
[02:20] <apachelogger> Riddell: the amarok scripts do
[02:21] <apachelogger> actually no important one does
[02:21] <apachelogger> so amarok shouldn't _depend_ on any python package
[02:27] <Riddell> fabo: any plaans for pyqt 4.3 and friends?
[02:32] <stdin> hmm, I just noticed /usr/share/apps/konqueror/konqueror-orig.rc is missing in gutsys konqueror package
[02:32] <apachelogger> stdin: we removed it
[02:33] <apachelogger> stdin: notice any problems?
[02:33] <stdin> why? just courious
[02:33] <stdin> no, I never actually use it, but someone asked
[02:33] <apachelogger> hehe, hard to describe without looding ;-)
[02:34] <apachelogger> *flloding
[02:34] <apachelogger> *flooding
[02:34] <apachelogger> typos--
[02:34] <apachelogger> stdin: it was useless and meaningless and stupid and ugly
[02:34] <apachelogger> to keep it short
[02:34] <apachelogger> stdin: kubuntu-default-settings includes our konqueror.rc
[02:35] <apachelogger> and now if k-d-s is not installed konqueror should appear with KDE defaults
[02:35] <stdin> http://www.kubuntu.org/faq.php#konqueror should be changed when gutsy is released then, because the insrtuctions won't work
[02:35] <apachelogger> stdin: of course
[02:36] <apachelogger> well
[02:36] <apachelogger> it isn't sure whether it will stay that way
[02:36] <apachelogger> Riddell told me that some time in the past there was an issue with sessions
[02:36] <apachelogger> can't reproduce anymore though
[02:36] <Riddell> nobody seems to have complained so far
[02:37] <apachelogger> awesome
[02:37] <stdin> well, one did :P "[13:21]  <geo88> stdin I actually followed that tut, but as I said...didn't find the file needed (konqueror-orig.rc) ... I now realized why... it just doesn't exist in gutsy. I copied it from feisty though :)"
[02:38] <apachelogger> stdin: that's another issue :P
[02:38] <Riddell> that's separate, I'll update the FAQ once python-kde3 has stopped killing my machine
[02:39] <apachelogger> stdin: that's the "I'm geek enough to use default konqueror but not geek enough to use all of KDE's defaults :P" issue
[02:39] <stdin> I actually don't care too much, I use konsole as my file manager :p
[02:39] <apachelogger> that's the "I'm too much of a geek to use a GUI" issue :P
[02:40] <Riddell> faq updated
[02:40] <Riddell> (although python-kde3 is still killing my machine)
[02:41] <apachelogger> earlier today amaork was killing my machine :S
[02:47] <mhb> are there issues with python-kde3?
[02:47] <mhb> oh my, I better not upgrade then
[02:56] <Riddell> it's just a large memory user during compile
[02:57] <Hobbsee> https://launchpad.net/bugs/130159 is the bug to close, when you've fixed it
[02:57] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 130159 in python-qt3 "python-qt3 depends on python-sip4 <=4.7 but 4.7-1 installed" [Undecided,New] 
[02:59] <mhb> ScottK: have you given up on that konsole kpart python bug?
[03:00] <ScottK> mhb: Given up on isn't exactly the right word.
[03:00] <ScottK> As I said in the bug, as long as I thought it was a Python problem, I had a hope of fixing it.
[03:00] <ScottK> I'm pretty convinced it's in Konsole.
[03:01] <ScottK> If you have some ideas, go for it.
[03:08] <mhb> ScottK: I really want to go for it, but probably after FeatureFreeze
[03:09] <ScottK> OK.  I think every tribe we are going to get a flurry of dupes on the update manager bug because this trips a lot of people.
[03:10] <ScottK> Maybe the thing to do is to temporarily patch update-manager to not use the KDE front end on low memory systems (where low is probably about 1.5 - 2 gb of RAM/Swap).
[03:13] <mhb> ScottK: if we could find the person to do it, that person could as well find and fix the bug
[03:13] <ScottK> No, it's much easier I think to do a work around in update manager.
[03:14] <ScottK> I could even do it if I had the time (I may, but no promises).
[03:14] <ScottK> But that's still just a work around.
[03:14] <ScottK> I can confirm that on the system I was having trouble with switching to the text mode upgrader worked just fine.
[03:26] <fabo> Riddell: no plans for pyqt 4.3 and friends, at least for me ;) probably thorsten marek
[03:28] <fabo> hmm i missed allee :(
[03:28] <Riddell> fabo: ooh, seems new pyqt is already ther
[03:28] <fdoving> Riddell: new kio-apt (with fixed header-backgroundcolor)  kio-apt_0.13.2-2ubuntu2 at http://ubuntu.lnix.net/archive/gutsy/
[03:29] <fabo> Torsten Marek ;)
[03:29] <fabo> torsten is nicely active
[03:39] <ScottK> Heh - http://www.dilbert.com/comics/dilbert/archive/dilbert-20070803.html
[03:40] <jjesse> that was todays, i thought it was brilliant
[03:40] <ScottK> Yes.
[03:40] <ScottK> I just went and got the permanent link so someone reading the scrollback later would get the right one.
[04:05] <manchicken> Hmm... looks like something bad has happened in some package...
[04:06] <manchicken> Adept updater wants to remove amarok, amarok-xine, apport-qt, hwdb-client-kde, kde-guidance, kde-guidance-powermanager, kde-hal-device-manager, kubuntu-desktop, and language-selector-qt
[04:06] <manchicken> And software-properties-kde, python-kde, python-qt, and python-qt4
[04:06] <mhb> manchicken: yeah, we know
[04:07] <manchicken> Just making sure :)
[04:10] <Riddell> am compiling python-everything to fix it
[04:11] <ryanakca>   python-qt3: Depends: python-sip4 (<= 4.7) but 4.7-1ubuntu1 is to be installed.
[04:11] <ryanakca>   python-qt4: Depends: python-sip4 (< 4.7) but 4.7-1ubuntu1 is to be installed.
[04:11] <ryanakca> important?
[04:11] <ryanakca> oh, ok, hehe, oops,
[04:11] <ryanakca> my bad, never read the full scrollback
[04:18] <manchicken> Riddell: Sweet.  Thanks.
[04:18] <fdoving> so, this nspluginviewer/ooo/etc issue is glib/gtk related. looks like a gtk+2.0 2.13.7 built on glib2 2.13.5 does work, but if you build with glib2 2.13.7 it doesn't.
[04:19] <Riddell> fdoving: does that apply to openoffice too?
[04:19] <fdoving> Riddell: let me try.
[04:20] <fdoving> need to wait for a compile.. but it doesn't work with gtk built on glib2 2.13.7, as we all know. (that's what gutsy has)
[04:31] <fdoving> Riddell: i need to go do some food-shopping, i'll get back to you with the info on oo.o
[04:35] <apachelogger> Riddell: can you please remove the news on kubuntu.org?
[04:36] <Riddell> apachelogger: which news?
[04:37] <apachelogger> oh
[04:37] <apachelogger> Riddell: forget it
[04:37] <apachelogger> people told me the beta1 news resides on kubuntu.org
[04:37] <apachelogger> sry
[04:46] <Tonio_> Riddell: did you notice the issue with python-qt3 ?
[04:46] <Tonio_> it isn't installable atm
[04:47] <Tonio_> causing a few troubles with guidance and gdebi etc....
[04:49] <Riddell> nope, hadn't noticed, infact I've entirely ignored the other half dozen people who have complained about that today, I think they're all mad and no such problem exists
[04:49] <fdoving> Riddell: yep, gtk+2.0 2.13.7 compiled with glib2 2.13.5, does make oo.o work too. even if i upgrade to glib2 2.13.7.
[04:50] <fdoving> as the last comment on https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=294385 says, glib2 probably offers some feature to gtk2 that makes it loop.
[04:50] <ubotu> Novell bug 294385 in KDE "nspluginviewer block konqueror and takes 100% CPU" [Critical,Assigned] 
[04:50] <Riddell> fdoving: interesting
[04:50] <Riddell> fdoving: I guess seb128 is the dude to complain to
[04:50] <mhb> sounds like someone needs a tension sheet
[04:50] <manchicken> Is KDE4 beta still as buggy as it looks on my machine?
[04:50] <Riddell> manchicken: yes
[04:51] <manchicken> Looks like plasma is still only about half-finished...
[04:51] <manchicken> Riddell: I thought you'd already been Super Scottish Coder Man and finished KDE4.  Gosh, what disappointment ;)
[04:51] <Riddell> it can draw a background image, what more do you want from your desktop
[04:51] <fdoving> the clock does also work.
[04:51] <manchicken> Riddell: The ability to change that background image would be nice.
[04:52] <manchicken> Riddell: Maybe some icons...
[04:52] <fdoving> bbl.
[04:52] <manchicken> To be honest, I just want kate from kde4.
[04:52] <manchicken> I got a little taste of it, now I can't get enough.
[04:53] <Riddell> kate works well enough
[04:53] <manchicken> I've been using it as another user so that I can kill all the kde4 processes easier when I'm done.
[04:53] <manchicken> It crashes a lot.
[04:53] <manchicken> But it is still nice :)
[04:54] <manchicken> Aww, weak.
[04:54] <manchicken> It won't run anymore.
[04:54] <manchicken> libkatepart.so has some undefined symbols.
[04:55] <manchicken> I think I've got some disconnected versions here.
[04:56] <manchicken> Should I have kdelibs4 or kdelibs5 installed?  Now I'm confused...
[04:58] <Riddell> kdelibs5 3.92
[05:00] <Tonio_> Riddell: oups I hadn't read the log before posting, sorry....
[05:05] <manchicken> Okay... I've got that.
[05:05] <manchicken> I don't know why kate won't run...
[05:05] <Riddell> and kde4base and kde4sdk 3.92?
[05:06] <manchicken> Yeah.
[05:06] <manchicken> kate: symbol lookup error: /usr/local/kde4/lib/kde4/katepart.so: undefined symbol: _ZN10KAboutDataC1EPKcS1_S1_S1_NS_10LicenseKeyES1_S1_S1_S1_
[05:06] <manchicken> I get that.
[05:06] <manchicken> Shit.
[05:06] <manchicken> Why is it looking there for libs.
[05:07] <Riddell> "LicenseKey" maybe you havn't paid for your renewed KDE 4 licence
[05:07] <manchicken> Naw, it's looking in /usr/local... which is my old source install.
[05:07] <manchicken> I bet it's my kde-devel user's environment.
[05:07] <manchicken> There we go.
[05:07] <manchicken> One quick rm -rf later, kate starts.
[05:07] <manchicken> It's magic.
[05:09] <gnomefreak> has the update been fixed? the one where python-sip4 update removes kubuntu stuff?
[05:10] <gnomefreak> asaik should have been a respin on -sip4
[05:11] <manchicken> kate doesn't like fish in the filesystem browser.
[05:14] <gnomefreak> :)
[05:14] <Hobbsee> dinner, anyone?
[05:14] <hunger> Hobbsee: Good idea!
[05:14] <Hobbsee> haha
[05:14] <manchicken> This new version of kate can't do anything remote :(
[05:18] <hunger> manchicken: Is that a bug?
[05:20] <manchicken> hunger: Dunno.  I'm just noticing it.
[05:20] <manchicken> hunger: I'm not really testing right now.  I was just trying to use it.
[05:21] <hunger> manchicken: I'll beat dominik for you when I see him next time;-)
[05:21] <manchicken> Pretty much it seems like sftp and fish won't work at all in either the standard KDE4 file dialog or the kate filesystem browser.
[05:21] <manchicken> hunger: Much thanks :)
[05:21] <manchicken> hunger: There's a good chance that he needs it.
[05:22] <manchicken> Eh, I think I may be wrong about some of that....
[05:22] <manchicken> let me try that test again
[05:24] <manchicken> It's certainly thinking about it now...
[05:31] <manchicken> No, I'm right.  It won't connect.
[05:32] <manchicken> You know, there are two things in kate that would be simple to put in that would make the current kate just so much better.
[05:32] <manchicken> First would be a refresh button in the filesystem browser, and the second is the ability for kate to remember how you left the interface last time you were there, and for it to put it back the way you left it.
[05:33] <manchicken> Getting the symbol viewer working for Perl and JavaScript would also be nice.
[05:41] <fdoving> manchicken: do you have those kios installed, for kde4?
[05:42] <manchicken> fdoving: What packages might those kios be in?
[05:42] <fdoving> manchicken: kde4base?
[05:43] <manchicken> Then yes
[05:43] <fdoving> kate: : couldn't create slave :  "Unable to create io-slave:
[05:43] <fdoving> klauncher said: Error loading 'kio_sftp'.
[05:44] <fdoving> QLibrary::load_sys: Cannot load /home/kde-devel/kde/lib/kde4/kio_sftp.so (/home/kde-devel/kde/lib/kde4/libkio_sftp.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory)
[05:44] <manchicken> Cool.  At east I'm not the only one :)
[05:45] <fdoving> doesn't work in a full session either.
[05:54] <Riddell> yay progress https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kde4libs/3.92.0-0ubuntu1~feisty2  "feisty i386  Needs building"
[05:54] <Riddell> wonder how many hours that'll take to be picked up by a buildd
[05:56] <stdin> probably about an hour or so
[06:02] <Riddell> it took half a day for strigi to get compiled
[06:03] <stdin> wow :p
[07:00] <Riddell> fdoving: have you tried recompiling nspluginviewer against the new gtk/glib?
[07:09] <fdoving> Riddell: yes. but only the nsplugin directory of kdebase, not re-build kdebase as a whole.
[07:09] <fdoving> but i can't find where nspluginviewer really uses glib/gtk.
[07:10] <fdoving> bbl. food.
[07:14] <jjesse_> hmnm fresh install of gutsy release 2 not getting an ip address
[07:23] <Riddell> fdoving: worth a shot anyway
[07:23] <Riddell> it'll be flash that actually uses glib I expect
[07:24] <fdoving> Riddell: yeah, i'll start a fresh build.
[07:25] <nixternal> uses glib and gtk
[07:25] <nixternal> I have rebuilt it against a previous libglib and libgtk w/o any success
[07:26] <fdoving> which previous?
[07:26] <nixternal> the glib that came out before today
[07:26] <fdoving> building gtk against glib 2.13.5 made everything work.
[07:26] <nixternal> orly
[07:26] <nixternal> cool then
[07:26] <fdoving> but seb says it's not a glib/gtk bug.
[07:27] <nixternal> it is, they supposedly broke the ABI
[07:27] <fdoving> says who?
[07:27] <nixternal> #ubuntu-devel
[07:27] <nixternal> and calc
[07:27] <fdoving> 8:03 <   fdoving> seb128: well, it works if i build gtk with glib 2.13.5.
[07:27] <fdoving> 18:04 < seb128> fdoving: that doesn't mean they are not doing something wrong which used to work because GTK+ was permissive on it
[07:28] <nixternal> interesting
[07:28] <Riddell> does this also affect flashplayer standalone or flash in firefox?
[07:28] <nixternal> no
[07:28] <fdoving> Riddell: no.
[07:28] <nixternal> just nspluginviewer
[07:28] <fdoving> and oo.o
[07:28] <nixternal> ya
[07:28] <Riddell> mm
[07:28] <fdoving> and acroread.
[07:28] <Riddell> and openoffice will get fixed, and nobody will care about u
[07:28] <fdoving> i've read.
[07:29] <nixternal> OOo doesn't bother me much, as I have been using KOffice now..getting used to it
[07:29] <fdoving> the novell/kde guys will probably get it fixed.
[07:29] <nixternal> but not being able to use Konqui is killing me...I can't stand firefox
[07:29] <Riddell> hopefully
[07:29] <Riddell> don't use flash?
[07:29] <fdoving> it's tagged critical at bugzilla.novell.
[07:29] <Riddell> tried gnash kpart at all?
[07:29] <fdoving> nixternal: adblock *.swf ?
[07:29] <nixternal> I think I am going to remove the flash and go with gnash now that it has gotten better
[07:30] <Tonio_> Riddell: tried it but that'l almost unusable :)
[07:30] <nixternal> fdoving: ahh, good idea
[07:30] <nixternal> Tonio_: I used it before and was able to watch Youtube :)
[07:30] <Tonio_> nixternal: the version in the repos fails on youtube for me
[07:30] <Tonio_> nixternal: dunno with an svn build
[07:30] <nixternal> ahh, I had built it locally and used that before they packaged 0.8.x
[07:30] <nixternal> ya, I used an svn build a few weeks ago
[07:31] <fdoving> i had it playing youtube on powerpc ~6 months ago.
[07:32] <Tonio_> Riddell: I read the full log and indeed, my post concerning pyqt was reaaaaaaaaaaaaaaally boring as it has been discussed all day long....
[07:32] <nixternal> woo, back to konqui now..thanks for that adblock tip fdoving
[07:32] <Tonio_> Riddell: sorry for beeing a pain sometimes :)
[07:32] <nixternal> sometimes? ;p
[07:32] <Tonio_> nixternal: :'(
[07:32] <nixternal> hehe
[07:32] <Tonio_> nixternal: I'm also a paranoid, so be carefull with those jokes ;)
[07:32] <Riddell> Tonio_: don't worry, you're not the one I tried up to a tree
[07:33] <Riddell> maybe I should let gnomefreak down sometime
[07:33] <Tonio_> Riddell: hehe
[07:33] <nixternal> hahaha
[07:33] <Tonio_> Riddell: atm my time is limited, I focus the efforts on kdebluetooth, as there are commits eferyday
[07:33] <Tonio_> everyday
[07:33] <Riddell> great
[07:33] <Tonio_> Riddell: and I'll be on vacation on sunday for 10 days
[07:34] <Riddell> hmm, will bluetooth get in for feature freeze?
[07:34] <Tonio_> going to visit roma, my girlfriend offered me the trip for my birthday :)
[07:34] <nixternal> vacation? I didn't see a vacation request come through :)
[07:34] <Tonio_> did I tell you I love her ? ^^
[07:35] <Riddell> Tonio_: can you set kubuntu-bluetooth spec to beta available
[07:36] <Tonio_> Riddell: sure that was on my todo before leaving :)
[07:36] <Tonio_> Riddell: I was just waiting for the package to be in to fill the spec, but I'll do that toonight then :)
[07:39] <TheInfinity> hello
[07:39] <TheInfinity> is it normal that powermanager crashes if i login via vnc?
[07:39] <TheInfinity> or better says - is it already known?
[07:40] <Riddell> I don't know it
[07:41] <TheInfinity> ok so -> launchpad? :)
[07:41] <Riddell> sure
[07:41] <TheInfinity> ok
[07:43] <Tonio_> TheInfinity: is kfrb in the list of what you consider vnc or not ? ;)
[07:46] <Tonio_> TheInfinity: cause I use in both client or server mode without any problem very often
[07:47] <TheInfinity> Tonio_: no its tightvnc
[07:48] <Tonio_> TheInfinity: oki
[07:48] <TheInfinity> i have to start it from bash because the computers are 300km away
[07:48] <TheInfinity> and then via ssh tunnel ...
[07:56] <gnomefreak> ;)
[08:00] <fdoving> Riddell: did you get that message about kio-apt?
[08:11] <fdoving> Riddell: you'll get it again just in case: new kio-apt (with fixed header-backgroundcolor)  kio-apt_0.13.2-2ubuntu2 at http://ubuntu.lnix.net/archive/gutsy/
[08:27] <Riddell> fdoving: yes, sorry, python foo is still driving me nuts
[08:34] <gnomefreak> oh its more than just a respin? :(
[08:34] <Riddell> its new versions of everything
[08:35] <Riddell> nice of doko to tell me he was doing the new version of sip
[08:35] <gnomefreak> oh crap
[09:04] <fdoving> Riddell: rebuilding kdebase with new glib didn't help nspluginviewer
[09:04] <Riddell> fooey
[09:05] <fdoving> .. and i accidentally started kde4 over my current ~/.kde/ (wrong user), that wasn't so smart.
[09:06] <Riddell> beta?  or alpha?
[09:06] <fdoving> current sv.
[09:06] <fdoving> svn
[09:06] <Riddell> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kde4libs/3.92.0-0ubuntu1~feisty2  "feisty amd64  Successfully built"
[09:06] <Riddell> hooray
[09:06] <fdoving> yay.
[09:09] <_StefanS_> evening
[09:11] <Riddell> _StefanS_: !
[09:11] <_StefanS_> hey Riddell :)
[09:11] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: , fdoving and others as well :)
[09:19] <_StefanS_> fdoving: have you experienced that question mark problem in firefox ? Text with nordic letters are appearing with ? instead
[09:22] <fdoving> hi _stefans_, no i don't use firefox much. how do you reproduce it?
[09:24] <_StefanS_> fdoving: uhm my wife's latop is running feisty in danish, and some pages show these wierd texts (e.g.: http://netbaby.dk/artikler/grupper/grupper.asp)
[09:24] <_StefanS_> fdoving: the text on the top middle displays every  with ?
[09:24] <_StefanS_> fdoving: cant replicate on english, gutsy
[09:25] <fdoving> i run in english and gutsy too.. hang on.
[09:27] <fdoving> _StefanS_: looks good on feisty with norwegian language.
[09:28] <_StefanS_> fdoving: uhm weird then.
[09:28] <fdoving> what charset is she using, vis -> tegnkoding -> Vestlig (iso-8859-1) is selected here.
[09:36] <_StefanS_> fdoving: I'll check.
[09:36] <_StefanS_> fdoving:  iso-8859-1
[09:40] <_StefanS_> fdoving: well it turns out the browser is defaulting to utf-8.. the page should be viewed as iso-8859-1, but they do not tell it in the html.
[09:40] <_StefanS_> fdoving: browser cant really tell :)
[09:40] <_StefanS_> fdoving: switching to iso-8859-1 manually works.
[09:41] <fdoving> k.
[09:42] <fdoving> i'm so happy i keep daily backups of the laptop.. .kde/ restored :)
[09:43] <fdoving> note: running kde4 over the kde3 ~/.kde breaks kde3.
[09:44] <_StefanS_> fdoving: thats ..funny.. I removed all the char codings, and re-added them. it now works automatically... gotta love software
[10:20] <gvarisco> 'evening guys
[10:20] <fdoving> evening.
[10:22] <Riddell> kde4libs feisty "feisty amd64  Successfully built"  slowly we get there
[10:22] <fdoving> is x86 finsihed?
[10:23] <Riddell> no, still needs building
[10:23] <Riddell> hi gvarisco
[10:24] <fdoving> did you figure out the python issue?
[10:24] <Riddell> yeah, just uploaded pyqt3 and pykde
[10:24] <Riddell> still pyqt4 to go
[10:24] <fdoving> ok.
[10:24] <fdoving> then i'll delay my dist-upgrade.
[10:27] <gvarisco> hola Riddell ;)
[10:37] <_StefanS_> Riddell: I thought x86 finished yesterday (?)
[10:37] <fdoving> not in feisty-backports.
[10:37] <_StefanS_> oh :)
[10:37] <_StefanS_> ofcourse..
[10:38] <_StefanS_> fdoving: you did say that kde4 sorta crapped the .kde(3) directory?
[10:38] <fdoving> yes, because i logged in as the wrong user, with kde4.
[10:38] <fdoving> i have a separate kde-devel user, for kde4-svn.
[10:39] <fdoving> and i have kde4 in kdm, to login fullsessions.
[10:39] <fdoving> but i accidentally logged in as my other user with kde4. that broke ~/.kde
[10:39] <_StefanS_> fdoving: I better try out kde4 in a full session.. Riddell: is debug enabled for the build?
[10:39] <_StefanS_> fdoving: ouch.
[10:40] <_StefanS_> fdoving: I saw you're working as a consultant, do you have alot of work going on in norway?
[10:40] <fdoving> so i should add the ~/.kde4/ environment variable to script.
[10:40] <fdoving> _StefanS_: not very much computer stuff. i do alot of tree-cutting though. :)
[10:40] <_StefanS_> fdoving: oh :)
[10:40] <fdoving> computer stuff is just part-time.
[10:41] <_StefanS_> fdoving: I bet you have alot of trees :)
[10:41] <fdoving> we have.
[10:41] <_StefanS_> fdoving: just curious anyway.
[10:41] <Riddell> _StefanS_: yes
[10:41] <_StefanS_> Riddell: I guess the instructions for kde4-beta1 applies also to gutsy.
[10:42] <Riddell> yes
[10:42] <_StefanS_> great, I will try it out.
[10:42] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: you there?
[10:43] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: fade time..
[10:45] <fdoving> _StefanS_: if you're still curious here are some pics: http://frode.kde.no/work/
[10:45] <_StefanS_> fdoving: holy cow.. thats long way down. You will surely hit a tree though :)
[10:51] <fdoving> yep, i'm uploading a few new ones too.
[11:03] <fdoving> i need to go watch the last part of some crime-tv-show. bbl.
[11:05] <mcquaid> is there any word on when 3.92 will hit feisty backports?  it's stil 3.91
[11:05] <ScottK> 3.92 what?
[11:05] <mcquaid> Here says it's released http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-beta1.php
[11:05] <mcquaid> the kde4 beta
[11:05] <ScottK> Ah.
[11:06] <mcquaid> it does mention some are still compiling
[11:08] <mhb> ScottK: don't look at him, for your own good :o)
[11:08] <ScottK> Heh.
[11:08] <mhb> mcquaid: unfortunately, there's little we can do
[11:09] <mhb> mcquaid: the sources are in backports, but the Ubuntu backports building system is very slow
[11:12] <ScottK> mhb: It's the same buildd's for backports.
[11:14] <mhb> ScottK: I'm not sure what you mean and how do I contradict it.
[11:15] <ScottK> OK.  It sounded to me like you were saying there were separate build systems for backports and there aren't.
[11:15] <ScottK> Feisy-backports get built on the same build systems used for regular Feisty updates/security stuff.
[11:15] <ScottK> Maybe I misunderstood.
[11:17] <mhb> ScottK: you probably did :o) I didn't want to go into much detail, I'm just saying that packages are not our fault. It's the build system that is slow.
[11:17] <Riddell> ScottK: doing what?
[11:18] <Riddell> ScottK: it's been doing itself for the last three days, it's just very slow
[11:18] <ScottK> SUre.
[11:18] <Riddell> same buildds, but lower priority
[11:18] <ScottK> Ah.
[11:23] <mhb> Riddell: you could perhaps put the information in the /topic
[11:28] <Riddell> go ahead :)
[11:28] <_StefanS_> fdoving: did you fix that nspluginviewer?
[11:28] <_StefanS_> fdoving: or get any further..
[11:29] <fdoving> _StefanS_: got some more info, riddell pointed me to the novell bugzilla, https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=294385 - i'll wait for them.
[11:29] <ubotu> Novell bug 294385 in KDE "nspluginviewer block konqueror and takes 100% CPU" [Critical,Assigned] 
[11:29] <fdoving> _StefanS_: i also poked seb128 about it, he is not convinced it's a gtk/glib bug. so i'll just adblock *.swf for now.
[11:30] <_StefanS_> fdoving: seems like he's right, maybe the answer is inside openoffice.org-gtk
[11:31] <fdoving> might be.
[11:31] <fdoving> Get:2 http://no.archive.ubuntu.com gutsy/main openoffice.org 2.2.1-5ubuntu3 (tar) [235MB] 
[11:31] <fdoving> that's a nice source-package to downlaod.
[11:31] <_StefanS_> hehe
[11:31] <_StefanS_> I'll grab it
[11:31] <fdoving> i'll get lost in that code.
[11:32] <_StefanS_> mhb: did you test that fade from Tonio_ ?
[11:33] <mhb> _StefanS_: last time I checked, he didn't have any amd64 packages ready
[11:33] <_StefanS_> mhb: oh yep, that was it.
[11:34] <_StefanS_> fdoving: I bet openoffice.org-gtk just uses some older glib's instead of the system ones.
[11:34] <fdoving> _StefanS_: nah.. you think?
[11:34] <mhb> _StefanS_: I won't be able to do anything this weekend
[11:34] <_StefanS_> fdoving: why would everything else still be borked ? :)
[11:35] <_StefanS_> fdoving: I almost have the source now
[11:35] <fdoving> maybe they use things the proper way, while nspluginviewer does something wrong, which just happened to work before.
[11:37] <_StefanS_> fdoving: uhm well the novell link you gave me suggests its the api that dont work when its used.. but I need to see that gtk thingy for OOo first
[11:37] <_StefanS_> done now.
[11:37] <fdoving> try to find some gtk/glib related things in kdebase/nsplugins - i didn't find much.
[11:39] <_StefanS_> fdoving: nope, but just the same bug as OOo + acroread
[11:39] <fdoving> yep.
[11:40] <_StefanS_> uhm trying to figure out that packaging for gtk.
[11:41] <fdoving> i'll fetch that source package too.. to a remote server.
[11:41] <fdoving> my 2Mbit adsl could need an upgrade :)
[11:41] <_StefanS_> yes indeed :)
[11:43] <fdoving> woha, 75MB diff.
[11:43] <fdoving> glad i don't deal with oo.o often.
[11:43] <_StefanS_> heh
[11:43] <_StefanS_> it took a few seconds to apply ;)
[11:49] <fdoving> do you figure it out?
[11:49] <_StefanS_> fdoving: check this link https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/acroread/+bug/128736 (bottom)
[11:49] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 128736 in acroread "[gutsy]  acroread fails to start, with GTK error" [Medium,Confirmed] 
[11:50] <_StefanS_> fdoving: might be a simple diff of those two packages to solve it
[11:50] <fdoving> it's not that simple.
[11:51] <fdoving> gtk 2.11.6 works nicely if it's built with glib 2.13.5, but not glib 2.13.7
[11:52] <_StefanS_> so the dependency for gtk+2.0 2.11.5-1ubuntu1 is glib 2.13.5 I imagine
[11:53] <fdoving> not sure where the api breaks, but i could just fine build gtk+2.0 2.11.6 with glib 2.13.5
[11:53] <_StefanS_> hmm lets diff those two glib's
[11:53] <_StefanS_> see what we can find
[11:53] <_StefanS_> cant be much of a change
[11:59] <fdoving> i like that you can drop urls into konsole and select 'cp' to download the file.
[12:00] <_StefanS_> yups
[12:01] <_StefanS_> if you download the source manually but in apt format, how to you trigger that diff thing that normally goes on ?
[12:01] <_StefanS_> cant remember it
[12:01] <fdoving> dpkg-source -x *.dsc
[12:01] <_StefanS_> ah yep :) thnx
[12:05] <_StefanS_> ah well, I gotta sleep.
[12:05] <_StefanS_> see you tomorrow.