[12:16] <Karti> su-hoens`rZ: I must admit that I am a hardware raid fan
[12:16] <Karti> _da in the UK
[12:16] <su-hoens`rZ> Karti well tbh i am too, which is why i got this mobo
[12:16] <_da> wow...
[12:16] <su-hoens`rZ> should have done more research :(
[12:16] <Ace2016> hardware problem? not usual for drives to show up especially if they are identical drives
[12:16] <_da> , I'm from Texas.USA
[12:17] <Karti> su-hoens`rZ: sorry can't really help you there...
[12:17] <vzduch> _da: this channel is NOT US only :)
[12:17] <Karti> _da: and its near my bed time!
[12:17] <Assid> err.. anyone know the package update-menus come with?
[12:17] <vzduch> Assid: ?
[12:18] <Assid> its a command
[12:18] <_da> Karti ty
[12:18] <_da> vzduch,ok ty
[12:19] <Karti> _da: No probs....
[12:19] <vzduch> Assid: your talk no sense makes, young padawan ;)
[12:19] <killown|away> how do i do to get kde4 beta 1 on apt-get?
[12:20] <Ace2016> killown|away: http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-3.80.1.php
[12:20] <Karti> killown|away: you coould use apt-cache search perhaps
[12:20] <vzduch> killown|away: you're away, so how can you ask that question? :D
[12:20] <Ace2016> is that what your after?
[12:20] <vzduch> Ace2016: I guess it isn't.. KDE4 beta1 == 3.92.0
[12:20] <chuck> !ftp
[12:20] <ubotu> FTP clients: !Nautilus, !gFTP (for !GNOME) - !Konqueror, !Kasablanca, !KFTPGrabber (for !KDE) - See also !FTPd
[12:21] <killown|away> Ace2016, I want kde4 beta1
[12:22] <Dragnslcr> killown|away- it's in the same backports repository
[12:22] <vzduch> http://www.kde.org/announcements/announce-4.0-beta1.php
[12:22] <Dragnslcr> If you install kde4, you'll be able to upgrade as soon as the packages are available to you
[12:23] <Ace2016> oh it was only released today
[12:23] <Ace2016> i wonder if debian sid has them
[12:23] <killown|away> vzduch, I want kde 4 beta1 on kubuntu apt-get
[12:23] <killown|away> 0.o
[12:24] <vzduch> killown|away: it's in the article, read it
[12:24] <killown|away> ohhh my god
[12:26] <vzduch> ah, it's not in this article, it seems.. I had it from somewhere else
[12:26] <vzduch> from a not yet published article on kubuntu.org
[12:27] <vzduch> killown|away: http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-beta1.php
[12:28] <killown|away> vzduch, thanks a lot
[12:28] <NetSKaVeN> hell-o!
[12:29] <Ace2016> wow taht was fast
[12:29] <Assid> ?
[12:29] <NetSKaVeN> anyone trying KDE 4 in Feisty?
[12:29] <nzk> I want to.
[12:29] <Ace2016> i'm just wondering but is this really ready for backports???
[12:30] <Assid> isnt it still beta
[12:30] <nzk> How do I set screen lock when closed in KDE3?
[12:30] <NetSKaVeN> in backports is the Alpha 2 now
[12:30] <Ace2016> since backports are for gusty and kde isn't going to be finished by the release of gusty is it?
[12:31] <Karti> nzk: do you mean lock th escreen?
[12:32] <Ace2016> nzk: right click on the desktop > lock session
[12:32] <Hub441> hoi!
[12:32] <Ace2016> hi
[12:32] <Dragnslcr> Ace2016- KDE4 should be at RC for the 7.10 release
[12:33] <Dragnslcr> KDE3 will still be the default for a while though
[12:33] <Karti> Ace2016: or my favouite - Ctrl+Alt+L
[12:33] <Ace2016> :(
[12:33] <vzduch> KDE4 is expected to become default in Gutsy+2
[12:34] <Ace2016> oh
[12:34] <Mo0oSaH> vzduch: Gutsy+ 2 meaning another year or so?
[12:34] <Ace2016> ctrl+l wipes the screen in konversation :(
[12:34] <vzduch> Mo0oSaH: yep, 7.10
[12:34] <vzduch> err.. 8.10
[12:34] <Dragnslcr> 8.10
[12:34] <Sanne> wise decision
[12:34] <Dragnslcr> 8.04 is an LTS version
[12:34] <Mo0oSaH> that's weak =(
[12:34] <vzduch> hi Sanne :)
[12:34] <bonesss> guys, i still got problems for to try install flash in my firefox 64
[12:34] <Ace2016> can't wait for 10.10
[12:35] <Karti> Ctrl+Alt+L
[12:35] <Ace2016> lts versions suck
[12:35] <Karti> getting late, night all....
[12:35] <Ace2016> all the software is old and sucks
[12:35] <Dragnslcr> Man, I hope my speakers aren't fried
[12:35] <Dragnslcr> Headphones work, and I haven't touched any sound configuration since last night
[12:35] <Ace2016> Dragnslcr: plug them into a cd player's headphone socket
[12:36] <vzduch> Ozark Henry \o/
[12:36] <bonesss> anyone can help me?
[12:36] <Dragnslcr> I don't think I have a regular audio cable anywhere. I use the optical output for my speakers
[12:36] <Sanne> hi vzduch :)
[12:37] <Dragnslcr> Which means I'd have to find someone else with a system with optical output to test my speakers on
[12:37] <Dragnslcr> Or coaxial
[12:37] <Ace2016> ooo sounds expensive
[12:40] <Dragnslcr> The speakers? They cost me about $300, but that must have been 7 years ago now
[12:41] <Dragnslcr> Unfortunately, a decent set is still almost that much
[12:41] <Ace2016> ebay
[12:42] <vzduch>  bedtime.. good night :)
[12:43] <Sanne> night vzduch
[12:43] <tofu> ola a todos
[12:44] <vzduch> !pt | tofu
[12:44] <ubotu> tofu: Por favor use #ubuntu-br ou #ubuntu-pt  para ajuda em portugus. Obrigado.
[12:49] <chuck> !nfs
[12:49] <ubotu> nfs is the network file system. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SettingUpNFSHowTo for information on installing and configuring NFS.
[12:51] <chuck> is nfs generally the easiest way to share files between two locally connected ubuntu machines?
[12:55] <sfire> is anyone else having problems with kopete?  All of a sudden it crashes every time I log into one of my yahoo accounts.  But works with everything else.
[12:56] <sfire> I ended up switching to gaim but that can't do webcams :(
[12:56] <Hub441> /wc
[12:57] <Ahmuck> hi, i need help getting my wireless working on my laptop
[12:57] <sfire> Ahmuck: have you checked the ndiswrapper gui tools?
[12:58] <sfire> thats how I got mine working.. You will need a un-compressed copy of the windows xp/2000 driver
[12:58] <Ahmuck> i don't know what your talking about :-(
[12:58] <Ahmuck> i'm kinda lost when it comes to ndiswrapper
[12:58] <sfire> go into adept and type ndiswrapper
[12:59] <sfire> you want ndisgtk, ndiswrapper-common, and ndiswrapper-utils-1.9
[12:59] <sfire> use the ndisgtk tool to get it working and its a snap
[12:59] <Ahmuck> Error: no versions of ndiswrapper found!
[12:59] <Ahmuck> oh, ok, will get it
[01:00] <sfire> adept is the software installer (just so you know)
[01:01] <Ahmuck> ok, got it
[01:01] <Ahmuck> ndiswrapper -i ?
[01:01] <sfire> ???
[01:01] <sfire> I use the gui tool.. never done it from the command prompt
[01:02] <sfire> I know you can do it without that tool though
[01:03] <sfire> but anyway.. back to my problem.. anyone having trouble with kopete and yahoo messenger?
[01:03] <ruzzz> i bad speak english but i want! ))))))))))
[01:04] <Ahmuck> sfire i use gaim
[01:04] <sfire> Ahmuck: yea.. I'm stuck with gaim right now :(   I hate gaim though
[01:05] <Aranel> Hi, I wanting upgrade to Gutsy Alpha3 from Kubuntu 7.04, this is a good idea or bad idea ?
[01:08] <nicolai_> !ru | ruzzz
[01:08] <ubotu> ruzzz:    #ubuntu-ru       /  Pozhalujsta vojdite v #ubuntu-ru dlq pomoshchi na russkom qzyke
[01:09] <Ahmuck> Aranel: i consider it a bad idea
[01:10] <Aranel> Ahmuck: why? Gutsy have a big problems ?
[01:10] <nicolai_> Aranel: it is not meant for prodution machines
[01:11] <Ahmuck> Aranel: i have problems with regular releases sometimes, i'm always fraid of a *buntu beta
[01:11] <nicolai_> Aranel: meaning you should expect many bugs in an alpha or beta release
[01:12] <Aranel> nicolai_: Ahmuck: umm, ok, I'm scared :P
[01:12] <tank71> Well I guess this would be my first really stupid question (many more to come dont worrie)- How can I hide a program? like make it go to the tray?
[01:13] <nicolai_> Aranel: If it is possible for you to have Gutsy on a separate partition, you wouldn't really have to worry, but if you could work with only a Gutsy alpha, then you would already know.
[01:15] <Aranel> nicolai_: what about RC ? When i can use it :)
[01:15] <Ahmuck> sfire: so how do you use the gui?
[01:15] <Ahmuck> er, where do you get the gui to ndiswrapper?
[01:16] <nicolai_> tank71: all programs
[01:17] <nicolai_> Aranel: If you wish. but unless you plan to submit potential bugs, it would be wisest to wait for the final release or a few days before.
[01:17] <nicolai_> Aranel: it is always to at least one operating system on one computer that is trustworthy. :)
[01:18] <Ahmuck> tank, what tray?  the quick launch, the task bar, or in the corner as an icon?
[01:19] <tank71> I think I got it
[01:19] <tank71> thanks a lot though
[01:19] <Ahmuck> kewl, first time on kubuntu tank71
[01:19] <Ahmuck> ?
[01:19] <tank71> yup...
[01:19] <Aranel> nicolai_: wait.. wait.. wait.. boring :P
[01:19] <tank71> had it installed for about 5 minutes lol
[01:19] <nicolai_> Aranel: Sorry, getting sleepy. I meant " it is always good to have"
[01:20] <Aranel> nicolai_: what about final release ? when i can use this ? October ?
[01:20] <nicolai_> Aranel: you could always install gutsy alpha on an external harddrive :P
[01:20] <nicolai_> Aranel: October 18th
[01:20] <tank71> anyone feel to explain work spaces to me?
[01:20] <Aranel> nicolai_: ok thanks, i think i'll wait :)
[01:21] <Level15> tank71: workspaces? you mean desktops?
[01:21] <nicolai_> Aranel: And KDE 4.0 on October 23rd :P
[01:21] <Level15> nicolai_: i don't think kde is going to be ontime :(
[01:21] <tank71> far right coner
[01:21] <shadowhywind> hay allhaving a problem, again. I just noticed that my swap is not being mounted at bootup but (swapon command works). Any ideas?
[01:22] <nicolai_> Level15: They're only about to days late so far ;)
[01:22] <Level15> shadowhywind: device not accesible at booot time maybe?
[01:22] <Aranel> nicolai_: when we use kde4 ? October 23 ? November ? do you know ? :)
[01:22] <shadowhywind> umm shouldn't be, it is on the same harddrive afterall
[01:22] <Level15> nicolai_: dunno, last alpha was about a week late AFAIR
[01:23] <nicolai_> Aranel: when KDE 4.0 comes out, it should be available for install on gutsy and an unofficial Kubuntu CD will be releasedre
[01:23] <Aranel> nicolai_: hmm, ok , thanks for answers :)
[01:23] <nicolai_> Aranel: But officialy KDE 4.2 for 8.10 would be a good guess.
[01:24] <Aranel> nicolai_: 8.10 ? 2008 .. That's a nightmare for me :)
[01:24] <nicolai_> Level15: Tagging and release seems to have quite an interval. :P
[01:24] <Biovore> Aranel: 8.10 is gusty + 1 isn't it..
[01:25] <nicolai_> Biovore: Gutsy = 7.10, Gutsy + 1 = 8.04, Gutsy +2 = 8.10
[01:25] <Level15> i want my KDE4 pretty bad
[01:26] <Aranel> nicolai_: Gutsy + 2. wow :)
[01:26] <nicolai_> Level15: We all do, we all do... :P
[01:26] <Biovore> ok..
[01:26] <Level15> i don;t feel like using that compiz thingy...
[01:27] <Level15> i remember the days in which i wanted KDE2 so bad that i installed some beta release on slackware 7... it crashed a lot, but i kept it because it looked much better than kde1 :)
[01:27] <nicolai_> I'm downloading the KDE 4.0 beta now. It is pretty much the only reason I'm not sleeping at the moment.
[01:27] <Level15> nicolai_: what time is it wherever you live?
[01:27] <nicolai_> Level15: 1:27 :/
[01:28] <nicolai_> Level15: But I got home from a movie at midnight, so it's not so bad
[01:28] <Level15> holy s*ht :P
[01:28] <Level15> that puts you somewhere around france, i guess
[01:28] <nicolai_> Level15: Copenhagen, Denmark. But close :P
[01:29] <nicolai_> Same timezone, i believe
[01:29] <Level15> probably
[01:29] <Level15> hm
[01:29] <Level15> wait
[01:29] <Level15> do you have summertime?
[01:29] <nicolai_> Jep
[01:30] <Level15> you are GMT+0 then, i think... and on summer, GMT+1
[01:30] <Level15> no?
[01:30] <familiaok> what do you think about easy ubuntu?
[01:30] <Dragnslcr> 01:30 now would be GMT+2
[01:30] <kosch_zZzZ> i thought GMT is GMT - if summer or not :)
[01:30] <nicolai_> Level15: I thought I was always GMT+1
[01:31] <kosch_zZzZ> nicolai_ i think so too
[01:31] <Level15> nicolai_: hm, ok, maybe i'm wrong... i'm just trying to guess based on how long ahead of me you are :)
[01:31] <kosch_zZzZ> Berlin e.g. is GMT +1
[01:32] <elite101> yeah i just did a re-install now i am for sure not going to ever install limewire
[01:32] <elite101> with out installing java first
[01:32] <Level15> elite101: lol
[01:32] <kosch_zZzZ> its definetly 1:32 at GMT+1 = CET
[01:32] <nicolai_> Level15: USA is GMT-5 to GMT-8?
[01:32] <Level15> dunno, i'm not in USA :)
[01:32] <elite101> yeah
[01:32] <elite101> rite on
[01:32] <nicolai_> Canada then? :P
[01:32] <Level15> nicolai_: yes
[01:33] <kosch_zZzZ> http://www.teachersparadise.com/ency/de/media/4/4b/timezones.png
[01:33] <nicolai_> A lot of Canadians in this Channel it seems
[01:33] <nicolai_> Are you all from Toronto?
[01:33] <Level15> reallly? who else?
[01:33] <kosch_zZzZ> timezones are not really easy topic
[01:33] <kosch_zZzZ> :)
[01:33] <yurimxpxman> I can't get my locale to change for some reason <http://yurimxpxman.dyndns.org/paste>. Any ideas? :?
[01:33] <Level15> no, I'm in Regina
[01:34] <elite101> canada rite?
[01:34] <elite101> Canadian-EliTe_HAxOr_101
[01:34] <elite101> :P
[01:34] <elite101> no not toronto
[01:34] <elite101> from welland ontario prob the only person in welland using linux/kubuntu
[01:34] <nicolai_> Level15: I don't remember, they just seem to be 80% of active people yesterday. :P
[01:34] <nicolai_> *seemed
[01:34] <Level15> lol!
[01:35] <Level15> elite101: haha!
[01:35] <elite101> welland ehh such a small town :P
[01:35] <Level15> i think i'm going to move to kubuntu x86
[01:35] <killown|away> hi
[01:35] <Level15> elite101: how many people over there?
[01:36] <lwh> theres probably thousands of people there using it
[01:36] <killown|away> dolphin file manager has languague packs support?
[01:36] <Biovore> killown|away: It will when its complete..
[01:36] <nicolai_> Fun fact: The current president of KDE is also a Canadian
[01:37] <Mo0oSaH> lol
[01:37] <Level15> hehe!
[01:37] <kosch_zZzZ> in cannada is much better weedsmoking than us :P
[01:37] <Level15> kosch_zZzZ: for that you might want Holland or something like that :P
[01:37] <kosch_zZzZ> not far away from my place
[01:38] <kosch_zZzZ> :P
[01:38] <nicolai_> We used to be pretty good at it too with Christiania, until the government closed it down.
[01:38] <kosch_zZzZ> so - really get some sleep now
[01:38] <kosch_zZzZ> good night dudes
[01:38] <Level15> kosch_zZzZ: rest
[01:39] <nicolai_> I can wait the ten more minutes for the download to finish
[01:39] <Level15> nicolai_: what are you downloading?
[01:39] <nicolai_> KDE 4.0 beta
[01:40] <elite101> omg u have to register for ##windows channel now?
[01:40] <fuel> !adeptfix
[01:40] <ubotu> If Adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole:  sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a 
[01:40] <Level15> nicolai_: i got some livecd for that but didn't play much with it
[01:40] <nicolai_> I'm downloading the live-cd :P
[01:40] <Level15> elite101: windows channel?
[01:40] <nicolai_> Just to get my fix :)
[01:40] <elite101> yeah
[01:40] <Level15> i'm going to spam them ;)
[01:40] <Level15> (jk)
[01:40] <elite101> for IRC
[01:41] <nicolai_> elite101: I got in no hazzle
[01:41] <Level15> nicolai_: suse kde4 cd?
[01:41] <elite101> no they run linux too. just because the run windows doesnt mean there all fan-boys and love windows
[01:41] <elite101> lol its my nickname then
[01:41] <nicolai_> Level15: yep
[01:41] <elite101> sorry nvm
[01:41] <elite101> my nickname is registerd under me but i dont know how to make it mine again?
[01:41] <Level15> nicolai_: it doesn't have the new UI desings, so it looks pretty much the same...
[01:42] <Level15> elite101: /msg nickserv identify mypass
[01:42] <nicolai_> Level15: it seems a waste to abandon it now, though
[01:42] <Level15> nicolai_: yeah, it's almost done
[01:42] <elite101> okay
[01:42] <elite101> so then that will sign me in?
[01:42] <Level15> nicolai_: what's your speed?
[01:42] <nicolai_> Level15: I do not trust Firefox for recovering a download
[01:42] <Level15> elite101: hm, what do you mean?
[01:42] <Level15> nicolai_: have you seen flashgot?
[01:43] <elite101> i will do it in my own channel lol :P i have a password for everything and its the same i dont want anyone to know it
[01:43] <nicolai_> Level15: 210 KB/s
[01:43] <nicolai_> so 2 mbits
[01:43] <Level15> nicolai_: flashgot is nice for firefox
[01:43] <Level15> you can then have kget downloading stuff
[01:44] <elite101> somone is in my channel
[01:44] <elite101> and is opp lol
[01:44] <elite101> how did this happen?
[01:44] <elite101> #elitechannel
[01:44] <elite101> i thought that was my channel
[01:44] <elite101> :P
[01:44] <Level15> maybe you can kick him... dunno how though
[01:44] <Dragnslcr> Did you register it with chanserv?
[01:44] <nicolai_> elite101: your nick is your channel
[01:45] <elite101> lol
[01:45] <elite101> yeah
[01:45] <elite101> i made it like 2weeks ago that channel where me and my friends go and chat
[01:45] <Dragnslcr> If you registered it with chanserv, you can use chanserv to op yourself
[01:45] <nicolai_> elite101: The realinsane were here yesterday :)
[01:45] <elite101> but now someone "owns" it with op. !! im supposed to have that
[01:45] <elite101> yeah lol his nick is insane`KDE
[01:46] <elite101> but now he wont give me my own op when i get it/ im going to kickbanhim @domain
[01:46] <elite101> because i discuss passwords and stuff sometimes
[01:46] <nicolai_> elite101: Hey, easy now :)
[01:46] <elite101> lol
[01:46] <Level15> elite101: BAD idea... your connection to the IRC server is NOT encrypted...
[01:47] <elite101> i know
[01:47] <elite101> not like bank.com my PIN # is
[01:47] <Level15> lol
[01:47] <elite101> like simple passwords with my friends to like uploaded files
[01:47] <elite101> and such
[01:47] <Dragnslcr> elite101- what's the name of the channel?
[01:47] <elite101> be he is in it
[01:47] <Level15> i see
[01:47] <elite101> #elitechannel
[01:47] <elite101> xD
[01:47] <elite101> lol
[01:47] <elite101> he has been idle for 1hour xD
[01:48] <Dragnslcr> [19:47]  -ChanServ-      Channel: #elitechannel
[01:48] <Dragnslcr> [19:47]  -ChanServ-      Contact: Insane`KDE, last seen: 7 hours 16 minutes 16 seconds ago
[01:48] <Dragnslcr> Looks like you didn't register it with chanserv
[01:48] <Dragnslcr> So it isn't your channel
[01:48] <parsnip> hi guys
[01:48] <parsnip> when kubuntu boots up
[01:49] <parsnip> and you get the blue progress bar
[01:49] <parsnip> can you turn that up so you can watch the services startup etc
[01:49] <Level15> parsnip: edit menu.lst
[01:50] <nicolai_> Goodnight everybody
[01:50] <Insane`KDE> Hey does anybody know an end-level global equalizer for kubuntu?
[01:50] <mike_> I find Kubuntu locks up when shutting down?
[01:50] <tank71> lets say I wanted to open a port...how would I go about that?
[01:51] <Level15> tank71: like a tcp port?
[01:51] <tank71> ya
[01:51] <Level15> any particular service?
[01:51] <phitoo> Hello everyone!
[01:51] <tank71> nope
[01:51] <nosrednaekim> hello
[01:51] <Level15> tank71: just "open it"? dunno, maybe nc can do it
[01:52] <tank71> nc as in?
[01:52] <elite101> i already regesterd my nick?
[01:52] <phitoo> I am just running Adept Updater and I see that Upstart is to be removed. I'm surprised. Anywhere I can find more info?
[01:52] <tank71> ok...well thanks
[01:52] <elite101> i already registerd my nick how do i "sign in"
[01:53] <Level15> tank71: haven't really used it much... try man nc
[01:53] <Level15> yep, nc can do it
[01:53] <Level15> nc -l -p portnumber
[01:53] <elite_hacker> um gunna have to register this one now :P
[01:55] <elite_hacker> arrg i dont have channel op. on #elitechannel
[01:55] <mike_> kubuntu gives a blank scren on shut down?
[01:55] <elite_hacker> #elite_hacker
[01:55] <elite_hacker> how do i register a channel?
[01:55] <Level15> elite_hacker: /help register
[01:55] <Mo0oSaH> elite_hacker: I just joined =)
[01:56] <Level15> ok that doesn't work
[01:56] <elite_hacker> heheh
[01:56] <elite_hacker> lol noit doesnt
[01:56] <Level15> elite_hacker: /msg chanserv help works better :)
[01:57] <elite_hacker> doesnt work
[01:57] <Level15> yes it does
[01:58] <Level15> it tells you how to register etc
[01:58] <Insane`KDE> Does anybody know of any sort of global equalizer?
[01:58] <killown|away> dpkg-buildpackage kde  dont get all files to compile..
[01:58] <killown|away> anyone can help?
[01:59] <killown|away> ops
[01:59] <killown|away> apt-get source kde
[02:00] <Level15> anyone knows *anything* about masonry?
[02:00] <Level15> but i mean, facts...
[02:04] <jhutchins> Level15: You talkin' freemasonry or building stuff?
[02:04] <Level15> jhutchins: freemasonry
[02:04] <jhutchins> Level15: Yep,
[02:04] <jhutchins> Level15: Both, actually.
[02:04] <dougb> hey, i set the time to be in am/pm, but the clock on the bottom panel isn't reflecting that change
[02:05] <jhutchins> dougb: Did you log out and log back in?
[02:05] <Level15> jhutchins: could you please tell me a couple of facts? my brother told me he was joining and i want to know if be happy for him or start worrying...
[02:06] <jhutchins> Level15: Sure, join kubuntu-offtopic
[02:06] <jhutchins> #kubuntu-offtopic
[02:16] <Insane`KDE> I've searched a bit but I couldn't find anything. Again, does anybody know anything about a Linux end-level global equalizer?
[02:16] <Level15> Insane`KDE: nope
[02:16] <phitoo>  I am just running Adept Updater and I see that Upstart is to be removed. (upstart, upstart-compat-sysv, upstart-logd are to be removed and sysvinit, sysvinit-utils are to be installed). I can't find anything about this on the upstart home nor on the mailing-list archives for July. Does anyone have any info? page
[02:16] <Level15> maybe you can achieve something like that through arts, but not sure
[02:17] <jhutchins> Insane`KDE: Global Equalizer?  Is that anything to do with World Domination?
[02:18] <Level15> HAHAHA
[02:18] <Level15> NWO :P
[02:19] <owner_> #xubuntu
[02:20] <Level15> owner_:  what about it?
[02:21] <Insane`KDE> jhutchins: Nah :P. Just sound equalizer ^^. Basically I want to turn up the abss a bit for ALL sounds, not just amarok
[02:22] <jhutchins> Insane`KDE: kmix.
[02:23] <jhutchins> Insane`KDE: Makes a nice little volume controll applet too.
[02:25] <Insane`KDE> I have Kmix but I can't seem to find an equalizer setting anywhere
[02:26] <Level15> kmix shows the channels available on your sound card... if it doesn't show anything related to bass and treble, your soundcard doesn't support that, at least not in hardware
[02:26] <out> how does one copy a DVD?
[02:27] <Insane`KDE> No my hardware doesn't support it, which is why I need software for it
[02:28] <Insane`KDE> The thing is, my 2.1 doesn't have an extra subwoofer line, it just uses hardware to get it's line from the normal input, so I can't set it manually
[02:28] <Insane`KDE> I need to set it (lowest 2 lines) in teh equalizer manually
[02:29] <Insane`KDE> This works quite well, but only for programs that have one, such as amarok. The problem is, I want to do the same for all global sounds
[02:30] <Insane`KDE> GRawlrghy!! I found many apps but they're all windows-only
[02:30] <out> ubotu, can you copy a DVD using Ubuntu 7.04?
[02:31] <Level15> out try k3b
[02:32] <Level15> Insane`KDE: there *might* be some arts applications which do that
[02:32] <Insane`KDE> Level15 arts?
[02:32] <winbond> i want to install kde4, do i need to install kde4base, kde4base-dev or both?
[02:33] <Level15> Insane`KDE: yep... arts is the kde2 and kde3 sound system
[02:33] <Insane`KDE> Level15 Now that tells me nothing..
[02:33] <Level15> winbond: kde4base should be enough, unless you want to compile stuff
[02:33] <Insane`KDE> Level15: Where can I access/configure it?
[02:33] <Level15> Insane`KDE: let me see if i can find a package name for you
[02:35] <xtrmclmb> bye
[02:37] <Level15> Insane`KDE: try artscontrol, though it might work or not depending on your sound card as well...
[02:39] <Insane`KDE> Level15: Couldn't find package artscontrol
[02:39] <Level15> no i think it should already be installed with other package
[02:39] <Level15> try tu run it from command line
[02:39] <Insane`KDE> Oh
[02:39] <Insane`KDE> duh
[02:40] <Insane`KDE> Ah, the package is called "artsbuilder"
[02:40] <Level15> no that's for midi thing i think
[02:40] <Level15> not sure, though
[02:42] <Ahmuck> !wifi
[02:42] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[02:42] <Ahmuck> !wireless
[02:42] <Ahmuck> !broadcom
[02:43] <Ahmuck> how do i find out what wireless card i have?
[02:43] <Insane`KDE> Damnit right, it seems to be MIDI-only
[02:43] <Level15> Ahmuck: lspci or lsusb if it's an USB device
[02:44] <Insane`KDE> But when running artscontrol it told me "package not installed. You can get it with sudo apt-get install artsbuilder"
[02:44] <Level15> hm
[02:44] <Level15> well try that, then try running artscontrol
[02:44] <winbond> Level15: ty
[02:45] <Insane`KDE> I did
[02:45] <Insane`KDE> It gives me the MIDI-only arts manager
[02:45] <Level15> hm sorry then, out of ideas
[02:46] <Insane`KDE> Graghr
[02:47] <Insane`KDE> Hmmm...
[02:47] <Insane`KDE> Glachl, ni #arts !?
[02:47] <Insane`KDE> *no
[02:47] <ice9> hmm has anyone installed the kde4.0 beta yet
[02:47] <Insane`KDE> No idea
[02:47] <Insane`KDE> What is it? *dunce*
[02:48] <Insane`KDE> apt-cache policy tells me I have no version of KDE installed which truly wonders me..
[02:49] <Level15> hehe
[02:49] <acr> hi. I just installed kubuntu on a friends laptop. At first, everything was good but once he took it home network manager would no longer see wireless networks and it says he's always connected to a wired network, even if he's not. I took it home and it can't see my wireless network either. Can anybody help?
[02:49] <winbond> Insane`KDE: it probably sais that you dont have the version which you checked for installed
[02:50] <Insane`KDE> Level15: That song rules :P
[02:50] <Insane`KDE> winbond: In fact I used kdebase
[02:50] <Level15> Insane`KDE: you like nightwish?
[02:50] <Insane`KDE> "apt-cache policy kdebase"
[02:50] <Insane`KDE> Level15: Hell yeah, I got all their songs. Lately I'm listening to more Black Metal or otherwise Hrdcore techno :P
[02:51] <Level15> Insane`KDE: i like the elvenpath
[02:51] <Level15> it's really good
[02:51] <Level15> AAMOF
[02:51] <Level15> i think i'll play it now
[02:52] <Insane`KDE> Hang on, brb emptying my USB
[02:52] <Level15> ok
[02:54] <Insane`KDE> Back.. anybody know what I mean with USB?
[02:54] <MarcC> my trash bin won't empty...is there a command line way to force it?
[02:54] <Level15> Insane`KDE: USB memory?
[02:54] <Level15> MarcC: cd + rm :P
[02:55] <Insane`KDE> Nah
[02:55] <Insane`KDE> Urine and Shit Buffer
[02:55] <MarcC> Level15 cd where, where is the trash folder?
[02:55] <Level15> lol!
[02:55] <ice9> I'm updating kdebase-dev right now
[02:55] <ice9> for kde 4.0
[02:56] <phoenixz> Hi there, In Fedora I used VIM, which was vi but with color, it remmembered last position in the file after closing, and had some other nice features.. vim on kubuntu, however, looks like plain old vi.. is there some cooler vim for kubuntu?
[02:56] <ice9> I just want to see plasma
[02:56] <Level15> MarcC: i think .local/share/Trash
[02:57] <Level15> phoenixz: yeah, vim after you set your settings ;)
[02:58] <phoenixz> Level15, right... what settings where?
[02:58] <MarcC> Level15, thanks - what's the rm syntax? I tried rm -rf * but that just made my screen blank
[02:58] <Insane`KDE> Oh yeah, anybody know how I can check my partition sizes?
[02:58] <Insane`KDE> I want to know how much space I got left
[02:59] <Level15> phoenixz: color is some vim command like set syntax or something... dunno the rest. i'm not too much of a vim fan
[02:59] <ice9> lol how do I change kwin
[02:59] <MarcC> Insane`KDE: I installed the Sysinfo:// thingy from kde-apps.org for that
[02:59] <Level15> MarcC: rm -rf on what directory???
[02:59] <phoenixz> Level15, okay, let me check in the vim channel
[02:59] <Level15> Insane`KDE: df -h
[02:59] <MarcC> Level15: j/k ...but really, what's the syntax
[03:00] <Level15> well, just rm and the file(s)...
[03:00] <Insane`KDE> kewl
[03:00] <Level15> like rm myPorn.gif :P
[03:00] <Insane`KDE> 18 G linux partition, 2.8 used :D
[03:00] <MarcC> Level15: but I want to rm all files in that folder at once
[03:01] <Level15> cd to the folder, then rm *
[03:01] <Level15> avoid that -rf unless you *know* what you are doing
[03:01] <winbond> im insalling kde4 and it sais run "export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/usr/lib/kde4/libexport" but gives me export command not found, how do i fix it ?
[03:01] <Level15> my /usr only has 133 MB free :P
[03:02] <WaxyFresh>  argh me maties!im Kaptain of the good ship fiesty,and kicker seams to have walked the plank.but my ships logs claim hes still aboard vessel.any ideas on how to bring this stowaway out of hiding?
[03:02] <intelikey> i have a question about job control,   howto move a process to a different tty ?
[03:02] <Insane`KDE> rofl: "-h --human-readable: display sizes in human readable format"
[03:03] <Level15> intelikey: man screen
[03:03] <intelikey> Level15 not screen  venella console
[03:03] <Sanne> Insane`KDE: try with: df -h
[03:03] <Insane`KDE> Sanne: Did already :P
[03:03] <Insane`KDE> !arts
[03:04] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about arts - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:04] <Insane`KDE> !info arts
[03:04] <ubotu> arts: sound system from the official KDE release. In component main, is optional. Version 1.5.6-0ubuntu1 (feisty), package size 5 kB, installed size 36 kB
[03:04] <Sanne> Insane`KDE: :)
[03:04] <Insane`KDE> OMFG
[03:04] <Insane`KDE> It's 3:00 am already and I wanted to go to sleep at 11 pm
[03:05] <Level15> intelikey: don't think it's posible
[03:05] <WaxyFresh> so noone knows how to fix kicker?
[03:05] <Level15> killall kicker; kicker :P
[03:06] <intelikey> Level15  i don't pay you to tell me what i can't do, i pay you to tell me how to do it,   you're fired!
[03:06] <intelikey> :)
[03:06] <Level15> intelikey: you weren't paying me anyway ;)
[03:06] <Insane`KDE> So it's mutual now?
[03:06] <MarcC> synergy is the coolest
[03:06] <intelikey> yeah but that's beside the point
[03:06] <Level15> HAHAH
[03:06] <WaxyFresh> Level15: no luck
[03:07] <WaxyFresh> i kill -9d kicker and restarted it but it still hiding
[03:07] <Level15> WaxyFresh: well, you could log out, rm -rf .kde, log back in... you should get a clean kde config, but only if you can afford /don't mind to lose all other config...
[03:08] <intelikey> rm -r ~/.kde
[03:08] <Ahmuck> ok, so i have Network controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM4306 802.11b/g Wireless LAN Controller (rev 03) ... how do i get that working in linux
[03:09] <WaxyFresh> are there any other menu bars i can install?kooldoc dosent like me for some reason,i think it filled a restraining order actually
[03:09] <Level15> or find the exact setting which tells it to hide, then change it by hand
[03:09] <intelikey> or use kcontrol
[03:10] <intelikey> :)
[03:10] <winbond> im insalling kde4 and it sais run "export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/usr/lib/kde4/libexport" but gives me export command not found, how do i fix it ?
[03:10] <Level15> intelikey: well, yeah, that should do as well... :P
[03:10] <intelikey> and it's    KCONTROL for the win .....
[03:10] <Insane`KDE> I think I'll /join #kubuntu-offtopic
[03:10] <Level15> "but then the dark lord learned the craft of ring making..."
[03:10] <Insane`KDE> OMG LOTR
[03:10] <Insane`KDE> and made ~the master ring~
[03:11] <Level15> part of the lyrics of the song as well
[03:11] <Insane`KDE> Get rammstein
[03:11] <WaxyFresh> and one OS to combine them all...
[03:11] <Level15> you know, you can think of VM as being the master ring :P and the OS running on them as the rings of power
[03:11] <Insane`KDE> one OS to rule them all, one os to find them. One OS to bring them all and in the darkness bind them
[03:11] <Level15> heheh
[03:12] <Insane`KDE> LINUX
[03:12] <evri2> Gnome vs Kde
[03:12] <Insane`KDE> Harbinger of doom, it will stride through the gates of hell carying windows' head on a pike
[03:12] <intelikey> evri2 blackbox
[03:12] <Level15> evri2: Gnome = bad, KDE = good
[03:12] <Level15> hehehe
[03:12] <Insane`KDE> Lawl
[03:12] <Insane`KDE> ALL HAIL KDE
[03:12] <Level15> HAIL!
[03:13] <WaxyFresh> Insane`KDE: you should cut the head of with a jagged vista cd
[03:13] <Insane`KDE> Anybody here play Kotor?
[03:13] <mneptok> Level15: please, no DE wars
[03:13] <sonhadorpr> Gnome is better
[03:13] <intelikey> evri2 i like these type questions,   what's the next one ?
[03:13] <Level15> mneptok: i thought this was a KDE channel, but ok... i didn't mean to
[03:13] <Insane`KDE> WaxyFresh: Nah, I'd rather shred the cd to bits
[03:13] <mneptok> (and it's "GNOME." all caps.) ;)
[03:13] <mneptok> Level15: DE wars are pointless no matter what the channel.
[03:13] <Insane`KDE> -__________________________-
[03:13] <intelikey> mneptok  gah no me
[03:14] <Insane`KDE> Beryl pwns all
[03:14] <intelikey> Insane`KDE runners
[03:14] <evri2> next one is KDE3 vs KDE4
[03:14] <Level15> HAHAH
[03:14] <Level15> i see something like Linux vs Mac coming...
[03:14] <arriesp> hi
[03:14] <Insane`KDE> KDE4,'cause, uh, IT'S NUMBER IS HIGHER!!!
[03:14] <evri2> and i didn't ask any questions :p
[03:14] <mneptok> no, it's "KDE3 using GPLv2 vs. KDE4 using GPLv3"
[03:15] <intelikey> evri2 fxce4
[03:15] <intelikey> next
[03:15] <WaxyFresh> -what ersin of kde does feisty use?
[03:15] <Insane`KDE> Windows Vista vs Mac Os X
[03:15] <evri2> xfce rolf
[03:15] <Insane`KDE> V for vista baby!
[03:15] <Level15> Insane`KDE: Mac OS X b/c a) it does those nifty tricks LONG AGO and b) it's UNIX
[03:15] <evri2> i am completely lost here
[03:15] <evri2> i have gnome but
[03:15] <arriesp> my k menu has disappeared...
[03:15] <intelikey> Insane`KDE http://ubuntu.pastebin.us/38653
[03:15] <intelikey> runners              ^
[03:15] <evri2> kde looks better and have more apps
[03:16] <Insane`KDE> kde looks better?
[03:16] <Insane`KDE> Lies
[03:16] <WaxyFresh> arriesp: mine too,maybe they eloped
[03:16] <Insane`KDE> beryl looks better
[03:16] <evri2> rofl
[03:16] <evri2> ashudashd
[03:16] <evri2> compiz-fusion better for me
[03:16] <evri2> :p
[03:16] <Level15> compiz is just a WM, not a DE
[03:16] <WaxyFresh> Insane`KDE: what ersion of kde does ubuntu fiesty use?
[03:16] <RadiantFire> 3.5.6
[03:16] <evri2> i currently using ubuntu but i am downloading kubuntu now.
[03:17] <sonhadorpr> the 4.0 should be coming out soon
[03:17] <evri2> there are more apps in kde i think
[03:17] <evri2> and it is
[03:17] <WaxyFresh> is it possible to upgrade to 4.0?
[03:17] <evri2> not think*
[03:17] <RadiantFire> and they do their job better
[03:17] <Level15> evri2: you can switch from ubuntu to kubunto just by installing some packages
[03:17] <arriesp> eloped?
[03:17] <evri2> yes i know but
[03:17] <arriesp> what is eloped?
[03:17] <WaxyFresh> thats becasue kde is sexy
[03:17] <evri2> some people said it will cause some bugs
[03:17] <intelikey> evri2 kde is a meta package that will install 'all of kde'
[03:17] <RadiantFire> WaxyFresh: you don't want to know, kde 4.0 is still partially in shambles, but Gutsy will be released with packages for 4.0 rc 2 or something
[03:17] <sonhadorpr> the apps are better....but I believe they are more of a hassle...a little more comlicated to install, and give many problems..
[03:18] <Insane`KDE> Pfff.. what is KDE 4 anyways? What's the difference?
[03:18] <evri2> intelikey i think clean install is always better
[03:18] <WaxyFresh> RadiantFire: what do you mean shambles?does it run witbout crashing?
[03:18] <RadiantFire> WaxyFresh: short answer... no
[03:18] <intelikey> evri2 clean install of what ?
[03:18] <WaxyFresh> RadiantFire: is the long answer yes?
[03:18] <Level15> Insane`KDE: composite manager is enough for me to move to kde4
[03:18] <RadiantFire> WaxyFresh: slightly longer answer, things run, but need kinks worked out
[03:18] <MarcC> hm...I wonder why my keyboard repeat rate and mouse speed need to be reset every once in a while :/
[03:18] <WaxyFresh> RadiantFire: im kinky,i can deal with it
[03:18] <Insane`KDE> I really think somebody should make an ultimate OS. Mac's originality, Vista's availability, Linux' 1337ness
[03:19] <RadiantFire> Insane`KDE: google for Pillars of KDE 4
[03:19] <evri2> well,in my opinion when i install KDE over this Gnome system,there will be some files left and new kde won't run as smooth as Kubuntu's Kde
[03:19] <CensorBard> !simplemu
[03:19] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about simplemu - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:19] <WaxyFresh> mu is the chinese ideo gram for nothing
[03:19] <evri2> i tried that once in 6.06.1 or sth
[03:19] <intelikey> evri2 probably because you install kubuntu-desktop in sted of kde
[03:19] <evri2> i think it is not a good ide
[03:19] <evri2> idea*
[03:19] <RadiantFire> WaxyFresh: well, beta 1 was released today, it'll probably have some packages for kubuntu soon
[03:20] <Insane`KDE> Shit. My eyelids are starting to get tired
[03:20] <Level15> well, technically Mac would be that OS... i think... i mean, it's Unix (certified on their next release), and looks good... all you need is to have it on ealmost every computer around
[03:20] <Insane`KDE> But Mac sucks
[03:20] <Insane`KDE> It jsut does. Fact.
[03:20] <intelikey> having more than one *buntu-desktop is not the best of ideas,  no.
[03:20] <Level15> if i didn't have to buy their HW as well, i might at least give Mac a try
[03:21] <sonhadorpr> I still rather have an OS thats totally free!!
[03:21] <Level15> intelikey: that's true
[03:21] <Insane`KDE> Yay for osOS!
[03:21] <sonhadorpr> I liek MACS, better than Windows..
[03:21] <Pazy> Does this command let you redo the X-server from recovery console: Sudo dpkg-recovery xserver-xorg?
[03:21] <sonhadorpr> Im still trying to get used to GNOME, its kinda complicated
[03:21] <Insane`KDE> I like Windows out of the sole reason that it's so widely distributed
[03:21] <intelikey> that's why i advise installing either gnome or kde respectivly on the ubuntu or kubuntu install for the dubble DE-env
[03:22] <Insane`KDE> I mean, Linux is better and all, but search in the web. about 90% of everything you find is windows only
[03:22] <sonhadorpr> true..
[03:22] <Level15> yep...
[03:22] <Insane`KDE> Especially games
[03:22] <sonhadorpr> lets work on it being more available..
[03:22] <Level15> and sadly, linux desktop is not progressing that much...
[03:22] <Pazy> Linux has a better communuty though, if you need help theres always someone there
[03:22] <Insane`KDE> More or less..........................
[03:22] <sonhadorpr> I have a college prof that hates Windows, and he encourages, even gives students extra credit for changing to Ubuntu
[03:23] <Insane`KDE> LOL
[03:23] <WaxyFresh> Insane`KDE: focalin is a great medicatin for those that get tired,completly erases the need for sleep
[03:23] <Pazy> Extra Credit? What if youve already changed
[03:23] <Insane`KDE> +1 grade for everybody using ubuntu
[03:23] <sonhadorpr> That is very true,....linux does have lotsa help....
[03:23] <intelikey> linux has a better EULA too
[03:23] <Insane`KDE> WaxyFresh: Where can I get it? ebay-black.com?
[03:23] <Level15> heheh
[03:23] <sonhadorpr> but...think about this..should it need so much hel, if it were easier to install, and update?
[03:23] <Pazy> I still dont read EULA's though so i dont care
[03:23] <WaxyFresh> Insane`KDE: and its still unregulated in the us and a few other places
[03:23] <intelikey> but if you don't care to purger your self windows is fine....
[03:23] <sonhadorpr> he still gives it to you...
[03:23] <Insane`KDE> WaxyFresh: So what if I live in afghanistan?
[03:23] <WaxyFresh> Insane`KDE: if your serius i can find you a trusted link
[03:24] <WaxyFresh> Insane`KDE: not sure hold on
[03:24] <sonhadorpr> Thats why I did a dual-boot, not yet ready to give up Windows...still got the extra credit
[03:24] <Insane`KDE> Hmm.. on second thought, I don't think I'm old enough to blackhandle yet
[03:24] <Pazy> For the forseeable future gamers will need to dual boot though, until microsoft collapses unders its own weight
[03:24] <Level15> i can't leave windows... some of my hw won't work on linux
[03:24] <Pazy> Whats the command do? Sudo dpkg-recovery xserver-xorg
[03:24] <holycow> today i just added a new vid card to an xp box
[03:24] <sonhadorpr> I sincerely hope MS collapses.....Gates doesnt need to be so rich!
[03:25] <holycow> had to geton the phone and recertify or whatever goddamned xp
[03:25] <Insane`KDE> Linux to the power
[03:25] <sonhadorpr> Kinda like the movie AntiTrust
[03:25] <holycow> last time ever i touch one of those boxes
[03:25] <mardi> hi all, just updated and rebooted and it hangs at "Starting up..." after grub. Tried booting with "Recovery mode" and it hangs ACPI: Looking for DSDT in inittramfs....
[03:25] <intelikey> sonhadorpr install and upgrade ?    what did you have trubble with in the install process ?    most of the help is not "install" it's addon and eyecandy    some hardware support.
[03:25] <Insane`KDE> I use Linux for working, windows for gaming
[03:25] <Level15> btw... gotta use the webcam, so gotta reboot
[03:25] <arriesp> time to time
[03:25] <CensorBard> Kmuddy isn't working out for me. Can anyone suggest an alternative to SimpleMU that isn't TF?
[03:26] <Pazy> Im doing a college course come september, information technology, and I just know its Windoze, Windoze, Windoze. Then maybe a 1 lesson on Linux as a Server
[03:26] <sonhadorpr> well...I mean...I get on the ubuntu-es site, and everybody seems to be having some kind of problem trying to get their machines components to work with ubuntu
[03:26] <Insane`KDE> Only Winblows? That sucks, dawg
[03:26] <Insane`KDE> I have an idea:
[03:26] <sonhadorpr> either video cards, sound cards, memory, etc...dont work with ubuntu, they have to get some kind of patch, or try to install something...why doesnt ubuntu just work with no problems on eveything?
[03:26] <Insane`KDE> If Linux isn't so well distributed, maybe we can do that.
[03:27] <Insane`KDE> Let's bulk mail all windows users
[03:27] <Pazy> Suicide Bomb Redmond?
[03:27] <holycow> sonhadorpr: the truth of the matter is actually this: if they have problems they DIDN'T RESEARCH before installing
[03:27] <Insane`KDE> Pazy: Yah sure
[03:27] <holycow> thats 100% of the reason
[03:27] <savetheWorld> Pazy: Redmond will destroy itself. it needs no help. :-)
[03:27] <intelikey> sonhadorpr hmmm hardware issues.   well yeah that's where a lot of the supports goes    but you do realize that at last count linux supported more hardware than any other os
[03:27] <holycow> you can't just buy random shit and magically expect it to work, you need to know what you are buying and why
[03:27] <Pazy> Ive got a bunch of Ubuntu/Kubuntu disks and i tried to distrubute but no one wants em lol
[03:27] <Insane`KDE> Fun games enjoyed, some guy annoyed, north korean missiles DEPLOYED.
[03:27] <mardi> is there a kubuntu support channel?
[03:27] <holycow> its their fault they didn't do the research, if they did, no problems
[03:27] <holycow> plug stuff in, turn it on
[03:28] <holycow> its that simple
[03:28] <sonhadorpr> well...yes...thats why I like ubuntu, because you CAN find support, and its free!!!
[03:28] <sonhadorpr> unlike MS
[03:28] <Insane`KDE> Pazy: Force them to accept the kUbuntu disks then
[03:28] <Pazy> MS support is a six month waiting list
[03:28] <Insane`KDE> Make the edges sharp and throw them around
[03:28] <arriesp> holycow:  but you have to think not only to buy
[03:28] <sonhadorpr> I understand...I just think sometimes its really a little too complicated for the beginner user...
[03:28] <Littleboots> it is
[03:28] <Insane`KDE> Ms has support!!!
[03:28] <Insane`KDE> Microsoft Help and Support center!
[03:28] <arriesp> like me...
[03:28] <evri2> rolf
[03:28] <intelikey> sonhadorpr windows is too complicated for the beginner too
[03:28] <holycow> well microsoft help is the same as linux support ... its called google
[03:29] <Pazy> Insane KDE: Most people I know arent into computers and if they are they look at them and say 'myspace'
[03:29] <holycow> no ms user calls microsoft
[03:29] <evri2> First think that i do is disable that in windows :P
[03:29] <holycow> you just can't get through and it costs money
[03:29] <sonhadorpr> yes....but if you have a illegal copy of XP, theyll kill you!!!...hahahahahahaha
[03:29] <holycow> you can buy linux support and we have bought a support contract from canonical
[03:29] <Insane`KDE> I've survived so far
[03:29] <intelikey> sonhadorpr how many people that have never seen a computer before  can install and configure windows   without help ?
[03:29] <holycow> but frankly at the end of the day you just need a community of willing people to chime in and brainstorm
[03:29] <holycow> its really about 80% of the job
[03:29] <Littleboots> intelikey: they don't need to, the computer comes with it preloaded
[03:29] <Littleboots> thats where MS gets you
[03:30] <Pazy> Windows sucks for actually being helpful, Linux (mainly K/Ubuntu) is probably easier for a first time user
[03:30] <sonhadorpr> no...nobody...computer users that know nothing, will buy one thats pre-installed!!
[03:30] <Pazy> Anyone here tried the comps with ubuntu preloaded?
[03:30] <holycow> sonhadorpr: there is no such thing as an illegal copy of xp
[03:30] <Insane`KDE> "Ask for genuine microsoft software". Yah sure, as if I'd actually ask them if my pirated copy is genuine
[03:30] <holycow> there is an improperly licenced copy
[03:30] <intelikey> Littleboots you can by preloaded linux too
[03:30] <holycow> but you NEVER ACTUALLY OWN your xp box
[03:30] <holycow> microsoft does
[03:30] <sonhadorpr> But that what Im saying, even if systems came out pre-installed with ubuntu for beginner users...I still find it complicated
[03:30] <sonhadorpr> I have one
[03:30] <intelikey> Littleboots watery excuses
[03:30] <Littleboots> intelikey: yes, but on very few models
[03:30] <Insane`KDE> What if I hacked and reverse engineered xp?
[03:30] <holycow> if you read the eula, they have the rigght to log into your system and install anything they want
[03:30] <Littleboots> and no its not
[03:30] <holycow> you don't own anything
[03:30] <Pazy> I own my box, I custom built and stole XP rofl
[03:30] <MarcC> Pazy: I own such a comp
[03:31] <sonhadorpr> I use WinXP Pro, when my Compaq machine only came with the Home edition
[03:31] <Pazy> Is it any good MarcC?
[03:31] <holycow> with linux  not only are you correct on the copyright stuff,you actually own your copy
[03:31] <holycow> and can do whatever you want with it
[03:31] <mardi> anyone here doing kubuntu support?
[03:31] <MarcC> Pazy: it's great, worth every last cent
[03:31] <Insane`KDE> I have about 20% of Vista
[03:31] <sonhadorpr> yes....hack Windows....thatd be great!!
[03:31] <MarcC> !offtopic
[03:31] <ubotu> #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[03:31] <Insane`KDE> Let's all go join #kubuntu-offtopic and continue our OS discussion there, shall we?
[03:31] <MarcC> Pazy: drop me a PM if you have any questions
[03:31] <Pazy> More money to Ubuntu developers but I still like to custom build
[03:32] <intelikey> holycow not only install anything they want, also delete read edit anything they want...  it's all theirs.
[03:32] <MarcC> mardi: what's up?
[03:32] <sonhadorpr> but most people are not programmers, just end-users...they dont need to change anything on the linux, or Windows, just wnat their progrmas to work...
[03:32] <sonhadorpr> period
[03:32] <holycow> intelikey: yup, xp users don't own shit, exactly
[03:32] <holycow> its not their box
[03:32] <Insane`KDE> Then I suggest using a calculator and a washing machine as an OS.
[03:32] <holycow> its basically you purchase permission to use your own hardware
[03:32] <Pazy> I want to learn to program but theres no easy teaching program. That would be helpful
[03:32] <holycow> then you haveto REGISTER your permission
[03:33] <Insane`KDE> Pazy: What language?
[03:33] <mardi> hi MarcC, updated with adept kubuntu feisty this morning and upon reboot, after grub, it hangs at "Starting up...."
[03:33] <holycow> oh and if you change YOUR HARDWARE, you know, stuff you bought and own, you haveto REREGISTER for more permission
[03:33] <Pazy> Technically when you buy a PC from say PCworld do you own it or are you borrowing it?
[03:33] <Pazy> @ insane English
[03:33] <Littleboots> I've never had to register anything
[03:33] <holycow> windows users are insane for putting up with that stuff
[03:33] <intelikey> holycow yeah and that is only temporary
[03:33] <Insane`KDE> @pazy: I meant programming language T__T
[03:33] <Pazy> lol ok
[03:33] <mardi> MarcC: one of the updates was mesa
[03:33] <Pazy> I was thinking a C language
[03:33] <holycow> intelikey: lol probably, i'm sure they will try to roll people into perpetually paying for it too
[03:33] <MarcC> mardi: may I ask why you're using mesa?
[03:34] <Insane`KDE> PErhaps c++?
[03:34] <Insane`KDE> There's a free g++ compiler for linux you can use
[03:34] <Pazy> If theres an easy guide then sure
[03:34] <MarcC> mardi: video card make/model? Also, have you tried booting up in vesa mode?
[03:34] <Insane`KDE> (It's just called g++, but it compiles c++)
[03:34] <holycow> intelikey: lol ditto
[03:34] <Pazy> I dont even read Eula's
[03:34] <holycow> you should
[03:34] <mardi> MarcC: don't know, we installed kubuntu and didn't touch the video side of things. it has a ati raedon 9800
[03:34] <holycow> its very important
[03:34] <Littleboots> bah
[03:34] <intelikey> Pazy that's why you still use M$
[03:34] <Insane`KDE> Pazy: Then I suggest buying a c++ book
[03:34] <Insane`KDE> Anyways try "sudo apt-get install g++"
[03:35] <Pazy> Im on XP the now
[03:35] <holycow> so why are you here?
[03:35] <Littleboots> I still use MS because I like to play games
[03:35] <Insane`KDE> Oh
[03:35] <Littleboots> =(
[03:35] <Pazy> I still use XP for games, Kubuntu for everything else
[03:35] <Insane`KDE> You'll have to see if you can find a free c++ compiler anywhere then
[03:35] <sonhadorpr> yeah...the best games are on MS
[03:35] <mardi> MarcC: have not tried booting with vesa mode, not sure how to, will find out
[03:35] <holycow> Pazy: ah, allright.  was just curious
[03:35] <arriesp> in linux the problem is for the beginners
[03:35] <Insane`KDE> I usually use DevC++
[03:35] <Insane`KDE> Damn DirectX 10
[03:35] <sonhadorpr> but DevC++ is for Windows.
[03:35] <holycow> linux is so easy its amazing
[03:36] <Pazy> I think thats most Linux Gamers situation
[03:36] <holycow> everything is hard in windows
[03:36] <sonhadorpr> .a very good compiler I might add!!!
[03:36] <MarcC> mardi: can you paste your /etc/X11/xorg.conf?
[03:36] <arriesp> you don't know how to start anything
[03:36] <MarcC> !pastebin | mardi
[03:36] <ubotu> mardi: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[03:36] <holycow> if you have a problem all you can do is hope there is a check box you can click on to fix it
[03:36] <Biovore> g++ is a good compile.. .. if you need a GUI development thing because you c++ knowledge is week, or your just lazzy, might want to try kdevelop.
[03:36] <Insane`KDE> Quote: "be sure to give the URL of your paste" NO REALLY!!! I thought I'd just secretly uplaod it
[03:36] <Pazy> kdevelop it is
[03:36] <mardi> MarcC: if i could get to a command prompt, one tic and well boot into another os that is installed on it
[03:37] <Insane`KDE> Lol
[03:37] <Insane`KDE> Best just get both
[03:37] <rrbiz> how is linux so easy, and windows so hard, hmm i disagree
[03:37] <sonhadorpr> I hate programming though...the best program I did was a program for calculating palindromes
[03:37] <Pazy> That reminds me I need to fix my grub
[03:37] <Insane`KDE> wow
[03:37] <Insane`KDE> Anybody here know Game MAker?
[03:37] <arriesp> linux isn't easy
[03:37] <Pazy> Its probably easier to teach Linux to newbie over Windows
[03:37] <Pazy> Game Maker isnt very good
[03:37] <Littleboots> doubt it
[03:37] <holycow> rrbiz: once you get good at linux you will understand
[03:37] <arriesp> is a good os
[03:37] <Insane`KDE> It's windows only, and I was a 100% programming master in it
[03:37] <arriesp> but not easy
[03:37] <Biovore> Insane`KDE: DevC++ uses min-gw
[03:37] <holycow> windows users simply cannot comprehend the concept ... it takes quite a while to kinda 'get why' its just easier
[03:37] <Pazy> Anyone here tried teaching a complete tech newbie to use Linux?
[03:38] <Insane`KDE> Although I gave up my gml career and removed myself from the list of GM tutors just to switch to linux
[03:38] <holycow> it comes down to simply being able to fix everything, but understanding that takes a good deal of experience
[03:38] <Littleboots> thats because windows users (like me) have been using windows for such a long time
[03:38] <intelikey> arriesp depends oh what hardware you have and what you are trying to do with it.  how easy linux is,    as with any os
[03:38] <Biovore> Pazy: yup.. but if you have used windows for a bit.. its harder to teach to them..
[03:38] <Insane`KDE> Biovore: DEvC++ is for windows only, which is why I suggested it to Pazy when he mentioned he was still running Windows
[03:38] <Littleboots> its hard to switch to something different after being used to doing things a certain way
[03:38] <arriesp> in linux im like a mother fuc... in the father day...
[03:38] <rrbiz> i think linux forces you to have to learn so much about it and it's file system and all sorts of configurations which sucks if u don't care to learn so much about it
[03:38] <Pazy> Is there a C++ program that is on Windows and Linux? So I dont have to learn 2 GUI's as well?
[03:39] <holycow> rrbiz: no it doesn't force you to do anything at all.  it expects you to be human and grow and learn
[03:39] <Littleboots> it requires a different way of thinking about what a OS is and does
[03:39] <Littleboots> pazy: a text editor
[03:39] <Littleboots> =)
[03:39] <Pazy> lol
[03:39] <holycow> rrbiz: windows expects you to be a retard all  your llife licking on 'next, next, next' without thinking
[03:39] <MarcC> Pazy: Java
[03:39] <Biovore> Pazy: QT, GTK, wxWidgets all are cross platform.. mac/windows/linux/solaris/cellphones..
[03:39] <MarcC> ;)
[03:39] <Littleboots> holycow: some people like that
[03:39] <holycow> actually thats not true
[03:39] <Littleboots> kind of like granking my car
[03:39] <holycow> they think they like that
[03:39] <Pazy> The compiler thing i meanr
[03:39] <Littleboots> I don't need to know how the damn thing works
[03:39] <Littleboots> I just want it to crank and go
[03:39] <Pazy> *meant
[03:40] <holycow> every single linux user i've ever watched get started says that
[03:40] <holycow> oh i just wanna click buttons
[03:40] <rrbiz> holycow: nah, it's like getting buying a car and having to learn so much about it, which to most isn't ideal
[03:40] <arriesp> bye
[03:40] <holycow> come back a year or two later and they are compiling their ass off whether they wanted to or not originally
[03:40] <sonhadorpr> just remmeber to end all progrmas with system ("pause") ;  unlike linux or other where its usually return 0;
[03:40] <holycow> not because they haveto, because they can
[03:40] <Littleboots> yes
[03:40] <Littleboots> but not everyone wants that
[03:40] <holycow> every linux user gets the opportunity to be human, to grow
[03:40] <mardi> MarcC: well, just looked and the thumb drive was inserted in the box. It won't boot when the thumb drive is in it....
[03:40] <intelikey> holycow and mostly in a terminal or console
[03:40] <Pazy> The first thing I like about Linux on my first try was the power i felt from the command line :D
[03:40] <holycow> you are not a number here, you aren't a customer with a service contract
[03:40] <Littleboots> you have to understand certain people look at computers as the same way they look at microwaves
[03:40] <mardi> MarcC: thanks for your effort anyhow :)
[03:41] <holycow> you are a human, with your own wants, desires and needs
[03:41] <mardi> MarcC: it's booting fine now
[03:41] <TheRealInsane> Omg my nickname is in use!!
[03:41] <TheRealInsane> Hacks!!
[03:41] <holycow> and you will grow at your own pace whether you like it or not
[03:41] <MarcC> mardi: your bios may be set up to boot from available thumb drives...might want to change that or at least remember it :)
[03:41] <sonhadorpr> I do agree with holycow there!!!
[03:41] <holycow> intelikey: lol! everyone ends up in the terminal
[03:41] <holycow> its true
[03:41] <mardi> MarcC: "at least remember it" ;)
[03:41] <intelikey> yep
[03:41] <Pazy> Can the Live CD redo my existing grub?
[03:41] <holycow> they start off going 'why do i haveto learn commands' 2 years later they are like, 'gimme xfce and a terminal'
[03:41] <TheRealInsane> As long as it's really the terminal and not teh Blue SCreen of Death!!
[03:42] <intelikey> holycow especally the "i gota have the pointy clicky thingy" types
[03:42] <SonhadorPR> nobody would hack my nick....they dont know what it means...hehehehe
[03:42] <TheRealInsane> Lol
[03:42] <Pazy> Ive gotten the blue screen 6 times this week
[03:42] <mardi> MarcC: that box stays on almost 24/7, only gets rebooted rarely
[03:42] <holycow> intelikey: haha, its funny to watch, but it happens
[03:42] <TheRealInsane> Funny how GUI users never seem to know what a GUI is
[03:42] <SonhadorPR> hehehhhe
[03:42] <holycow> me too
[03:42] <holycow> totally
[03:42] <Littleboots> point clicky is good sometimes =/
[03:42] <holycow> i said the same shit users above did
[03:42] <intelikey> hasn't started X in weeks now..
[03:42] <SonhadorPR> they have to take a REALLY BASIC computer class in order to learn this acronyms
[03:42] <rrbiz> right computers are a tool, like a car, a TV, no everyone cares to disect them, it's not a learning/grow process, or makes u more human, there's many more things in life to learn and grow with, linux just takes a big bite out of ur time, it's a wonderful tool no doubt
[03:42] <Littleboots> every now and then I like having shiny icons and buttons to click =)
[03:42] <holycow> i even remember saying 'how the hell can someone use linux when you have so much configuration to do'
[03:43] <TheRealInsane> So right. A computer is a little box with little blue pixies in it that do stuff you want
[03:43] <Pazy> Anyone seen SynphonyOS?
[03:43] <holycow> rrbiz: not true, linux IS NOT A FUCKING MONKEY WRENCH
[03:43] <TheRealInsane> But they speak their own language, so you have to tell them precisely what to do
[03:43] <holycow> rrbiz: the fact you think that means you don't understand what a computer is
[03:43] <Sanne> Pazy: here might be some tips for you re GRUB: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows
[03:43] <holycow> a computer isn't a phillips #4 screwdrivers
[03:43] <TheRealInsane> So the big pixie that leads the place is called "Sudo", and you have to address him to make big stuff happen
[03:43] <holycow> its an interface to your mind
[03:43] <Littleboots> ..
[03:44] <Littleboots> you're getting heavy on us holycow
[03:44] <holycow> anything  your mind cannot do by remoting your body, IT CAN DO by remoting via computer
[03:44] <intelikey> Biovore yesh.     and is it just me or do we want the computer to do exactly what we say when we say and nothing more  ???
[03:44] <TheRealInsane> Wtf?
[03:44] <holycow> a computer isn't a tool its an interface to your conciousness
[03:44] <Littleboots> and porn
[03:44] <Pazy> Sanne: tried that dont work for me
[03:44] <holycow> Littleboots: andmostly porn
[03:44] <holycow> hahaha
[03:44] <Biovore> intelikey: agreed..
[03:44] <holycow> :)
[03:44] <TheRealInsane> open_port(0,HIGH_VOLTAGE_SHOCKER); aim_at(BODY); shock(LONG | PAINFUL);
[03:44] <Littleboots> =)
[03:44] <Sanne> Pazy: sorry to hear that
[03:44] <zimmo> intelikey i have a problem
[03:44] <Pazy> A computer is a method of extracting porn from the internet
[03:44] <holycow> rrbiz: and another  thing you don't understand about computers
[03:44] <intelikey> zimmo yessir   ?
[03:45] <SonhadorPR> hehehehehehehehe
[03:45] <Sanne> !offtopic
[03:45] <ubotu> #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[03:45] <SonhadorPR> lol
[03:45] <holycow> a monkey wrench can be built by a highschool dropout
[03:45] <Pazy> Sanne: ive been trying for about a week, no simple solution seems to work
[03:45] <holycow> its just a simple tool, an ogre could build one
[03:45] <Sanne> Pazy: I heard about a GRUB disk somewhere, let me check
[03:45] <holycow> a computer is AN EXTREMELY COMPLEX system
[03:45] <SonhadorPR> dont nobody want to change channels!!
[03:45] <holycow> its not a tool at all
[03:45] <SonhadorPR> hehehehehehe
[03:45] <holycow> its a swiss army knife
[03:45] <intelikey> zimmo what problem ?
[03:45] <Pazy> The Floppy one? I downloaded that but my dads lost all his floppys
[03:45] <holycow> don't forget, what sits under your desk right now used to be a super computer 20 years ago
[03:46] <mneptok> holycow: a cat?
[03:46] <holycow> 30 or 40 years ago, you needed a phd just to operate a computer
[03:46] <holycow> a computer IS NOT A TOOL
[03:46] <zimmo> intelikey: i am trying to start a bin file via console ok?
[03:46] <zimmo> and than it shows me this message: Unable to create OpenGL screen (Couldn't find matching GLX visual)
[03:46] <rrbiz> ur taking "tool" way out of context with computers, putting it on a pedestal :)
[03:46] <Sanne> Pazy: here (never used it myself, though): http://supergrub.forjamari.linex.org/
[03:46] <holycow> to equate a computer to a fucking hammer is to completely be ignorant of what you really are using
[03:46] <Biovore> zimmo: computers are tools to me..
[03:46] <mneptok> zimmo: what is this .bin?
[03:46] <holycow> and sadly people really love that tool analogy
[03:46] <zimmo> no
[03:46] <zimmo> it is a .sh file
[03:46] <mneptok> zimmo: for ... ?
[03:46] <SonhadorPR> I guess I understand both points actually..
[03:46] <zimmo> it is a game
[03:46] <winbond> who here is running kde4?
[03:47] <SonhadorPR> they ARE tools...but MUCH more than just mere tools.////get it?
[03:47] <mcrandello> winbond: still waiting on the repo to update :(
[03:47] <mneptok> zimmo: last chance for an informative answer ....
[03:47] <intelikey> zimmo tried it in a terminal eumlator    konsole  ?
[03:47] <Biovore> winbond: I have messed with it.. its still very beta..
[03:47] <holycow> i was just on the phone with a local retailer the other day, a quad intel cpu now is 360$ canadian
[03:47] <zimmo> konsole and also xterm
[03:47] <holycow> i can get a nice dual quadcore system setup under 1k right now
[03:47] <Biovore> winbond: I don't think they have gotten the kicker intergrated into plasma yet..
[03:47] <holycow> a quad core cpu is not a tool
[03:47] <holycow> its a fricking magic machine
[03:47] <SonhadorPR> anyway...gotta go
[03:47] <mneptok> zimmo: what game? from where? what .sh file? URL?
[03:47] <winbond> mcrandello: the packages for gytsy are already there
[03:47] <intelikey> zimmo k just a sec
[03:47] <zimmo> intelikey: it is a linux game
[03:48] <zimmo> mneptok: assaultcube
[03:48] <Biovore> holycow: Quad core is not anything new.. Sun has had procs with 8 or more..
[03:48] <Pazy> That program would require a floppy, which I cant find, or for me to wipe my Second Linux OS off the USB. Cant the Live CD do anything?
[03:48] <mcrandello> winbond: yeah I'm waiting on the backports crew ;_;
[03:48] <holycow> Biovore: bingo
[03:48] <zimmo> ok
[03:48] <holycow> Biovore: how many people you see building their own sun machines at home for less than 1k?
[03:48] <intelikey> zimmo ok looks like you need 3d acceleration    have you installed/enabled drivers for your vidio card ?
[03:48] <mneptok> zimmo: what grfk card do you have?
[03:48] <holycow> and expect them to be 'just a tool' say like a hammer?
[03:48] <intelikey> !ati | zimmo
[03:48] <ubotu> zimmo: To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[03:49] <Littleboots> I have a quad core that I use strictly for hammering nails
[03:49] <winbond> Biovore: when i start xephyr xserver i can only see a solid background and a mouse pointer , is that how it supose to be?
[03:49] <zimmo> intelikey: i have no 3d card aceleration board
[03:49] <zimmo> my videocard is 32mb
[03:49] <Littleboots> =(
[03:49] <Biovore> winbond: no clue.. it changes hourly.. check it back out of svn
[03:49] <mneptok> zimmo: what grfx card do you have?
[03:50] <zimmo> no idea
[03:50] <mneptok> lspci
[03:50] <zimmo> ok
[03:50] <intelikey> zimmo see the page   https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto    if it doesn't help come back here.    but do read it.
[03:51] <zimmo> ok
[03:51] <zimmo> thank you... it is better when you know at least where to start solving the problem
[03:51] <zimmo> hehe
[03:51] <Pazy> Is there any way to get the Kubuntu Live CD to fix grub?
[03:52] <intelikey> zimmo thousands of people ask about that same issue.   and the reason that linux doesn't take care of that automatically is the same reason it doesn't do flash or mp3 out of the box    it's not a linux issue it's a government issue.   jerk offs in gov. have made it illegle in many countries  so linux' hands are tied
[03:52] <zimmo> mneptok: however my videocard is 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS]  300/305 PCI/                                                              AGP VGA Display Adapter (rev 90)
[03:52] <WaxyFresh> ok so my menu bar decided to become a expatriot of my lil world,now that its missing is there a way to open my gaim buddy list after it being minimized to the taskbar?not like alt tab but what do i do when its minimized to the area next to the clock?
[03:53] <zimmo> intelikey: no problem
[03:53] <mneptok> zimmo: you will not play Assaultcube with that card
[03:53] <zimmo> ah
[03:53] <mneptok> zimmo: no 3D, no go.
[03:53] <intelikey> mneptok no 3d on his chip ?
[03:53] <zimmo> it runs very slowly in XP
[03:53] <mneptok> zimmo: in the US? got $25?
[03:53] <zimmo> no
[03:53] <Pazy> You can get a 126 Nvidia gefore 6200 LE for 30 pounds (British), that will do most Linux games.
[03:53] <zimmo> brazil... but we pay in USD too!
[03:54] <Pazy> 128
[03:54] <mneptok> intelikey: no 3D drivers from SiS
[03:54] <intelikey> ah sis i missed that.
[03:54] <zimmo> can you recommend me any brand of 3dcards?
[03:54] <intelikey> was busy talking i guess
[03:54] <mneptok> zimmo: what e-tailer do you use?
[03:54] <zimmo> cheaper..
[03:54] <zimmo> e-tailer? no ideia
[03:54] <mneptok> online store
[03:54] <zimmo> ok
[03:54] <Biovore> newegg is ok..
[03:54] <mneptok> Biovore: not if you're in Brasil
[03:55] <Biovore> yup
[03:55] <intelikey> zimmo any nvidia 5k ?
[03:55] <zimmo> my nvidea burned
[03:55] <Pazy> Whats 30 GBP in Brazil Money's?
[03:55] <mneptok> zimmo: what online store do you uuse for hardware?
[03:55] <zimmo> i have paid "USD 100" ON IT and it burend 1 year later!
[03:56] <mcrandello> 90,000 escudos
[03:56] <mneptok> Pazy: 40 monkeys, 12 goats, and a child bride.
[03:56] <mcrandello> (not sure)
[03:56] <zimmo> i usually search on the "real marcked"
[03:56] <intelikey> zimmo note that ati is more problematic than nvidia in linux at this time.
[03:56] <Pazy> Child Bride....................
[03:56] <zimmo> i see
[03:56] <mneptok> zimmo: what online store do you uuse for hardware?
[03:56] <Littleboots> but maybe dell will change that =)
[03:56] <zimmo> mnptok: we usually dont buy things on Internet in Brazil
[03:56] <intelikey> maybe amd will
[03:56] <mneptok> Littleboots: AMD will change it, if anyone.
[03:57] <Pazy> If Pci-express is compatible the world over the the Geforce6200LE would be a good deal
[03:57] <Littleboots> didn't one buy the other or something?
[03:57] <Littleboots> I should really keep up on these things
[03:57] <zimmo> but I can accept ideas of hardware online sotres
[03:57] <mneptok> AMD bought ATI
[03:57] <mcrandello> mneptok: there was some article last week about Dell pressuring amd to come up with something a little less crappy on linux
[03:57] <Littleboots> yes
[03:57] <mneptok> mcrandello: and that article overstates some things
[03:57] <Pazy> If only there was pressure on Games companies to make linux stuff.
[03:57] <mcrandello> oh I know
[03:58] <Littleboots> because Dell uses ATI stuff and dell wants to ship machines with linux preloaded
[03:58] <intelikey> zimmo tiger dirrect dot com    you can shop...   don't have to buy
[03:58] <Littleboots> Pazy: on day, hopefully
[03:58] <Littleboots> *one
[03:58] <WaxyFresh> !time
[03:58] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about time - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:58] <mneptok> Littleboots: the ATI driver problems are not an issue for Dell.
[03:58] <WaxyFresh> anyone know what time it is on the east cost usa?
[03:58] <Littleboots> ?
[03:58] <Pazy> Linux is actually a good market, if they release any commercial port on linux say Need for Speed and Madden then most Linux gamers would get that. 80% of Linux Gamers is as good (money wise) as the 1% of PC gamers that would buy it.
[03:58] <Littleboots> why's that
[03:59] <mneptok> Littleboots: they *are* howeuver, an issue for AMD.
[03:59] <intelikey> WaxyFresh gmt - 5
[03:59] <WaxyFresh> intelikey: ?
[03:59] <intelikey> or 5 daylight savings time
[03:59] <intelikey> i mean 4
[03:59] <mcrandello> They're no issue for AMD, if it was they'd have fixed it already
[03:59] <zimmo> ah ok
[03:59] <zimmo> thank you all
[03:59] <WaxyFresh> its not 5 or 4
[03:59] <mcrandello> the issue lies with people who want to use the cards anywhere but under windows
[03:59] <mneptok> Littleboots: Dell has choices. they can choose an AMD competitor. no skin off their nose.
[04:00] <intelikey> daylight saving in most places  but that ones that don't use it its - 5   year around
[04:00] <WaxyFresh> sorry with my menu bar gone i have no clock
[04:00] <mcrandello> well, and I've heard a lot of windows users bitching about ati too
[04:00] <Littleboots> mneptok: that's what I'm saying
[04:00] <mneptok> WaxyFresh: "date"
[04:00] <Littleboots> mneptok: tell choosing another hardware provider would put pressure on AMD
[04:00] <mneptok> Littleboots: so, it's not an issue for Dell. they don't care, really.
[04:00] <Littleboots> *dell
[04:00] <Littleboots> yeah
[04:00] <Littleboots> but
[04:00] <intelikey> WaxyFresh /time   in the irc client too
[04:00] <Littleboots> you know what I'm saying =p
[04:01] <mneptok> no, i don't ;)
[04:01] <Littleboots> I never said it was an issue
[04:01] <Littleboots> for dell
[04:01] <WaxyFresh> um date and /time say 2 diffrent things
[04:01] <mneptok> "It's an issue that affects Dell. It's also an issue that does not affect Dell." ;)
[04:01] <mcrandello> The only issue is that I can't change cards without a soldering iron ;_;
[04:01] <Littleboots> ?
[04:01] <Littleboots> why
[04:02] <mcrandello> stupid laptop
[04:02] <Littleboots> ah
[04:02] <intelikey> WaxyFresh one is probably local and the other universal (gmt  aka  UTC)
[04:02] <WaxyFresh> mcrandello: whats a 200m? a video kard?
[04:02] <intelikey> or your clock is wrong...   that's possable too
[04:03] <mcrandello> WaxyFresh: barely but yes
[04:03] <mcrandello> it was a very popular video card for cheap laptops from about a year ago or so
[04:04] <intelikey> you think barely.  i still have an isa vidio card in use
[04:04] <WaxyFresh> mcrandello: my laptop is coverd i cigerette burns,its so i dont pawn it when im broke.id cry if i sold a duelcore duel amd64 for something sily like food
[04:04] <mcrandello> intelikey: you probably have better frames than I do in quake
[04:05] <intelikey> mcrandello isa interface   think about it.    it maxes at 800x600 dpi
[04:06] <intelikey> and 60hz   heh   i mean   60 hurts
[04:06] <mcrandello> intelikey: so does the 200m with a cheap laptop lcd ;P
[04:06] <intelikey> but that's not the cards limits that's the monitor it's plugged into
[04:08] <intelikey> i built a sound server out of it.  (the box it's in)   it's headless and keyboardless  but i leave the vidio card in in case i need dirrect access for some reason
[04:08] <intelikey> in case    heh   to much time looking at shell code    esac
[04:09] <winbond> im trying to run kde4 from xephyr but all i can see is a solid background and a mouse pointer , so how can i run anything from xephur?
[04:09] <mcrandello> if you want I could send you a matrox or something pci fi
[04:09] <Minataku> @T
[04:09] <Minataku> Heh
[04:09] <Minataku> I guess it doesn't work in here X3
[04:10] <mneptok> !offtopic
[04:10] <ubotu> #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[04:10] <intelikey> na   thanks for the offer.  but like i said it's headless    doesn't need the isa s3 card
[04:10] <mneptok> so yeah ... ;)
[04:10] <jsubl2> !mp3
[04:10] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[04:10] <intelikey> Minataku i think it's   @now location
[04:11] <intelikey> @now new york
[04:11] <ubotu> Current time in America/New_York: August 02 2007, 22:11:16 - Next meeting: Kernel Team in 4 days
[04:11] <Minataku> Nah, it's an offtopic-specific command
[04:11] <winbond> @now hell
[04:11] <Scorpaen> hey intelikey\
[04:12] <winbond> unknown time zone?
[04:12] <intelikey> winbond that would be the M$ meeting ?
[04:12] <Minataku> !now Tokyo
[04:12] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about now tokyo - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:12] <Minataku> Er
[04:12] <WhtWolfTeraDyne> XD
[04:12] <Minataku> @now Tokyo
[04:12] <ubotu> Current time in Asia/Tokyo: August 03 2007, 11:12:22 - Next meeting: Kernel Team in 4 days
[04:12] <intelikey> Scorpaen
[04:12] <winbond> intelikey: probably , when they are trying to stop linux
[04:14] <intelikey> well i still like the biography of the penguin, on linux.com   :)
[04:14] <TheRealInsane> AAAAAAAAAAAAAAH
[04:15] <WaxyFresh> whats xypher?
[04:15] <Insane`KDE> My computer overheated
[04:15] <Cannoli> OMG
[04:15] <Cannoli> I AM RUNNING LINUX
[04:15] <Cannoli> sooo hawt
[04:15] <Cannoli> :)
[04:15] <Littleboots> no you're not
[04:15] <Cannoli> first time ever
[04:15] <Littleboots> stop lieing
[04:15] <Cannoli> :( buster
[04:15] <Cannoli> busted*
[04:15] <Cannoli> XD
[04:16] <Littleboots> =)
[04:16] <Cannoli> littleboots how do i change the resolution?
[04:16] <winbond> Cannoli: congrats, and good luck
[04:16] <intelikey> you was all cool and *    then you had to open your mouth.
[04:16] <mcrandello> Cannoli: <ctrl><alt><+>
[04:16] <mcrandello> or <->
[04:16] <mcrandello> may do it
[04:16] <Insane`KDE> Wtf.. first my screen froze, then my pc started smelling like burnt plastic
[04:16] <Cannoli> :S thts just zoom in zoom out
[04:16] <Insane`KDE> It's been running for 20+ hours
[04:17] <intelikey> fan not wherling ?
[04:17] <Insane`KDE> It is
[04:17] <mcrandello> Cannoli: if it "zooms" instead of changes then you may need to change some things in the xorg.conf
[04:17] <Insane`KDE> Not effective enough though
[04:17] <Insane`KDE> I've shut it off and ot some cool packs inside it
[04:17] <intelikey> cought it before it hurt anything
[04:18] <Insane`KDE> Now I'm irc'ing from my laptop
[04:18] <Insane`KDE> I may need to unplug my internet cable give me a moment
[04:19] <mas195> hey all, can someone tell me the konsole command to terminate adept package manager?
[04:19] <mcrandello> Cannoli: ah nm they changed it
[04:19] <mas195> when i attempt to update it tells me that another program is using the manager...
[04:19] <mcrandello> Cannoli: krandrtray
[04:19] <winbond> Cannoli: what u need , i cant send pms
[04:19] <Biovore> mas195: ps ax | less adept
[04:19] <Insane`KDE> There
[04:19] <Biovore> err ps ax | grep adept
[04:19] <mcrandello> run that and it should let you change resolutions from the systray
[04:20] <intelikey> the problem was dri rot'd plastic  the fan just cracked where the shaft goes through it,   thus slowed rotation because of slipage.    when i found it, and touched it the fan went ahead and fell into two peaces
[04:20] <Insane`KDE> Moved into a more comfortable position xD
[04:20] <Cannoli> where is tht mcrandello?
[04:20] <intelikey> i was all like WOW! that shouldn't happen,    ;/
[04:21] <mas195> bio: konsole reports no file or directory found
[04:21] <Cannoli> winbond > im currently running straight from the cd and ive decided taht i want to partition my 250 gb hd. now the thing is. all this stuff that im messing around with on the cd. is it going to be saved?
[04:21] <Insane`KDE> Lol
[04:21] <mcrandello> Cannoli: you can either click the "K" menu, go to run and type it, or right click the desktop and then select the "run command" thingy
[04:21] <Insane`KDE> intelikey: Perhaps a wter cooler?
[04:22] <WaxyFresh> im kinda worried i hear a bunch of automatic rifle fire close by,hopefully this isnt some sort of red dawn type stuff
[04:22] <Insane`KDE> intelikey: *water
[04:22] <WaxyFresh> whats zypher?
[04:22] <winbond> Cannoli: no, once you restart from live cd everything will be lost
[04:22] <mcrandello> Cannoli: if it comes up not found then from a konsole type "sudo apt-get install krandrtray"
[04:22] <Insane`KDE> WaxyFresh in RL?
[04:22] <mcrandello> oh, a livecd
[04:22] <intelikey> Insane`KDE i dug up a newer modle heat sync and fan   for hoter chip  so now i'm "over colling" my cpu    mouse quiet too
[04:22] <WaxyFresh> Insane`KDE: yes
[04:23] <WaxyFresh> Insane`KDE: i live in maine so its semi normal
[04:23] <mcrandello> Cannoli: from a konsole type "xrandr", and all the possible resolutions will be listed
[04:23] <CensorBard> Linux newbie observation #3: After confronting Linux, I now know how my parents felt when I was trying to show them how to do things in Windows.
[04:23] <Insane`KDE> WaxyFresh: Get the kids into a bulet proof bunker and get out your auto-pumpgun
[04:23] <Cannoli> ah got it
[04:23] <Cannoli> thanx mc
[04:23] <Cannoli> kk winbond
[04:23] <Insane`KDE> Gangster district!?
[04:23] <Cannoli> now heres where im having the most trouble
[04:23] <WaxyFresh> Insane`KDE: no redneck district
[04:23] <Cannoli> i have a 250 gb hg
[04:23] <mcrandello> Cannoli: once you see the resolution you want it's "xrandr -s N"
[04:23] <Cannoli> hdd*
[04:24] <intelikey> M5iii
[04:24] <mcrandello> where "N" is the number next to the resolution you want
[04:24] <Insane`KDE> Way too little space to run anything effectively, if you ask me
[04:24] <Cannoli> :S i just used tht little button in the tray mc
[04:24] <WaxyFresh> Insane`KDE: i bet none of my neihbors could tell you what LOL means
[04:24] <mcrandello> laughing on line
[04:24] <Insane`KDE> lol
[04:24] <intelikey> lying on line  ?
[04:24] <mcrandello> lolling out landishly
[04:24] <Cannoli> ???
[04:24] <Cannoli> XD
[04:24] <mas195> can someone tell me how to terminate adept_updater database access via konsole?
[04:25] <WaxyFresh> Linux Only, Loser!
[04:25] <mcrandello> sudo killall -9 adept_updater
[04:25] <mcrandello> maybe
[04:25] <Insane`KDE> live or lie
[04:25] <intelikey> !adeptcrashfix | mas195
[04:25] <ubotu> mas195: If Adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole:  sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a 
[04:25] <mcrandello> ho
[04:25] <mcrandello> erm oh
[04:25] <Cannoli> winbond: if i clean up my 250 gb hd so that it has abt 150 gb free and i partition it, will the partition delete stuff or will it use the empty space?
[04:26] <Insane`KDE> It seems that lol hardly ever means wha it actually stands for
[04:26] <Cannoli> btw kubuntu is hawt
[04:26] <Cannoli> XD
[04:26] <Cannoli> im feel like a kid in a candy store :D
[04:26] <Insane`KDE> Cannoli: It should use the empty space
[04:26] <DaSkreech> Very few people are actually Laughing out loud
[04:26] <intelikey> Cannoli does it now have a partition/partition table ?
[04:26] <Cannoli> no it doesnnt
[04:26] <mcrandello> licking our loins
[04:26] <intelikey> Cannoli you'll loose all datat
[04:26] <Cannoli> it doesnt even have windows
[04:26] <winbond> Cannoli: depends on how you format it, if you delete partitions then u delete everything thats on the partitions,
[04:26] <Cannoli> ddaammm
[04:27] <tank71> ok so how would I go about connecting via ssh to a server that is sitting on my floor lol
[04:27] <Insane`KDE> The best is still "Linux only, Losers!"
[04:27] <winbond> Cannoli: if it doesnt have windows what do you want to save on that laptop?
[04:27] <mas195> ubotu: that worked, thanks
[04:27] <tank71> from this cimputer (not the server)
[04:27] <tank71> computer*
[04:27] <mcrandello> ssh -lusername ip.ad.dr.ess
[04:27] <Cannoli> no i mean tht hdd doesnt hav windows
[04:27] <Cannoli> i ahve 2 hds
[04:27] <Cannoli> 1 60 gb and 1 250 gb
[04:27] <DaSkreech> in your laptop?
[04:27] <Cannoli> the 250 one is slace
[04:27] <mcrandello> where username is the username you want to log in with and the ip.ad. stuff is the ip address
[04:27] <Cannoli> slave*
[04:27] <Cannoli> no desktop
[04:27] <tank71> I dont think ssh is working on the server
[04:27] <tank71> it says...port blocked
[04:28] <DaSkreech> tank71: install ssh
[04:28] <tank71> tried...
[04:28] <DaSkreech> tank71: and?
[04:28] <DaSkreech> !info ssh
[04:28] <ubotu> ssh: Secure shell client and server (transitional package). In component main, is optional. Version 1:4.3p2-8ubuntu1 (feisty), package size 1 kB, installed size 32 kB
[04:28] <tank71> I tried to start it and it just says failed
[04:28] <intelikey> Cannoli if the info you gave me is accurate, (no partition table)  you will lose all data if you make a partition tabel,   if we got our wires crossed then dis on me.
[04:28] <DaSkreech> tank71: you installed the package ssh?
[04:29] <tank71> not sure
[04:29] <tank71> do you want me to give you the command I used?
[04:29] <mcrandello> Cannoli: I would back up everything anyway if this is your first time messing with the partitions
[04:29] <DaSkreech> Yes
[04:29] <Cannoli> 1.) how do u backup?
[04:29] <Cannoli> 2.) whts a partition table just to make sure? :S
[04:30] <tank71> apt-get install openssh-server openssh-client
[04:30] <tank71> it seemed to go fine
[04:30] <DaSkreech> that should be sufficent
[04:30] <DaSkreech> how are you testing it?
[04:30] <tank71> as in connecting to the server?
[04:30] <Insane`KDE> Cannoli: The partition table is the table that tells how the hdd is split, as in how many bytes per partitions
[04:30] <DaSkreech> yes
[04:31] <tank71> from this computer
[04:31] <tank71> on the same network
[04:31] <Cannoli> no i dont have that
[04:31] <intelikey> Cannoli 1 other media   dvd's maybe.  other hd      2, if windows formated it at some point  it most likely has a partition table,   in linux you can use the command     sudo fdisk -l       and/or ; cat /proc/partitions      so see if the disk is partitioned
[04:31] <DaSkreech> tank71: what command?
[04:31] <tank71> ssh: connect to host localhost port 22: Connection refused
[04:31] <tank71> uhh
[04:31] <tank71> sorry
[04:31] <tank71> I mean... ssh localhost
[04:32] <Cannoli> ic
[04:32] <Cannoli> how do i do the /proc thing
[04:32] <DaSkreech> try ssh <your_ip_address>
[04:32] <tank71> nope
[04:32] <Cannoli> first time using linux srry for the awefully nooby questions
[04:32] <mcrandello> Cannoli: type "cat /proc/partitions" at a console or terminal
[04:32] <DaSkreech> tank71: Nope you won't try?
[04:32] <tank71> well first I guess I should ask is there an easy way to access the server on my floor
[04:32] <tank71> no I did and same thing...
[04:33] <Cannoli> whts a console?
[04:33] <DaSkreech> seriously?
[04:33] <intelikey> Cannoli i would 'assume' that it has a single partition,   but that assumption could be in error,  i have eight disk drives in this box and only one has a partition table/partitions
[04:33] <Cannoli> XD
[04:33] <mcrandello> like a dos window in windows
[04:33] <tank71> it just says port blocked :S
[04:33] <DaSkreech> Cannoli: If only we could be embarrased answering them :)
[04:33] <mcrandello> in kubuntu it's called konsole
[04:33] <DaSkreech> Cannoli: Please ask away
[04:33] <Cannoli> k got it
[04:33] <mcrandello> so right click the desktop, click "run command" then type konsole
[04:34] <Insane`KDE> a console is a little thingy where you write stuff
[04:34] <mcrandello> good, you're well on your way to knowing more than you ever wanted to about the internals of unix :)
[04:34] <Cannoli> yep
[04:34] <Insane`KDE> and then some pixie does stuff
[04:34] <DaSkreech> tank71: try a sudo /etc/init.d/ssh start
[04:34] <Cannoli> haha u guys should have just said its cmd
[04:34] <Cannoli> xD
[04:34] <Cannoli> ok i got the results
[04:34] <tank71> it says failed...
[04:34] <Insane`KDE> cmd sucks
[04:34] <Cannoli> should i paste them?
[04:34] <tank71> just failed no reason lol
[04:34] <Insane`KDE> It's windows
[04:34] <DaSkreech> tank71: thats funky
[04:34] <intelikey> Cannoli use a pastebin
[04:34] <intelikey> !paste | Cannoli
[04:34] <ubotu> Cannoli: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[04:34] <mcrandello> don't paste here, go to http://www.pastebin.ca
[04:34] <WaxyFresh> mcrandello: dont you need a speculum for that?
[04:34] <tank71> ya I know
[04:34] <DaSkreech> tank71: Purge openssh-server and reinstall it
[04:34] <tank71> ok thanks
[04:35] <tank71> well do when I have time :P
[04:35] <tank71> thanks for your help....
[04:35] <mcrandello> WaxyFresh: they have these tablets you can swallow that have a little camera in them nowadays
[04:35] <DaSkreech> tank71: Umm ok it's one line
[04:35] <Cannoli> i love how smooth everything is in linux
[04:35] <mcrandello> WaxyFresh: or your doctor can apply the new "digital" exam
[04:35] <Cannoli> but the grey color is kinda depressing. sleek but depressing
[04:35] <Cannoli> XD
[04:35] <DaSkreech> sudo apt-get remove openssh-server --purge && sudo apt-get install openssh-server
[04:35] <tank71> ok
[04:35] <mcrandello> Cannoli: that can all be changed
[04:35] <tank71> I'll copy that
[04:35] <DaSkreech> Grey?
[04:35] <Cannoli> perfect
[04:35] <DaSkreech> Oh the kicker?
[04:36] <Cannoli> silver/grey
[04:36] <Cannoli> http://www.pastebin.ca/643860
[04:36] <Cannoli> thur ya go
[04:36] <DaSkreech> Right you have no idea what a kicker is
[04:36] <Cannoli> lmao
[04:36] <Cannoli> exactly
[04:36] <Cannoli> XD
[04:36] <DaSkreech> the bar at the bottom?
[04:36] <Cannoli> thts the one
[04:36] <Cannoli> XD
[04:36] <Cannoli> im hoping kubuntu has skins right?
[04:36] <mcrandello> themes but yes :)
[04:37] <Cannoli> sweet
[04:37] <Insane`KDE> Get beryl if you want fancy visual stuff^^
[04:37] <DaSkreech> hits Insane`KDE
[04:37] <DaSkreech> kwin_composite
[04:37] <DaSkreech> MMMMMM
[04:37] <Cannoli> haha i'll stick to kubuntu until i master it to some degree
[04:37] <intelikey> Cannoli ok both hd's do have partition tables you should be able to scan for errors and defrag then resize the partition without loss of data.     there is alway some risk in each of those steps so do make pavkups of anything important
[04:37] <Cannoli> ive beenw ith windows for my whole life now
[04:37] <Cannoli> :P
[04:38] <Insane`KDE> Me too
[04:38] <Insane`KDE> Switched to linux 2 days ago
[04:38] <intelikey> pavkups/backup
[04:38] <Cannoli> intelkey> is backup necessary for the 60gb hdd too? cause i dont plan to do anythign with that
[04:38] <Insane`KDE> Just wanted to test it for a week, next thing I know I'm hooked
[04:38] <Cannoli> i know wht u mean insane
[04:38] <Cannoli> i can totally see my self playing with this for a while
[04:38] <Cannoli> :)
[04:38] <Insane`KDE> :P
[04:39] <Insane`KDE> What's even funnier,
[04:39] <Cannoli> i'll prolly be here too asking tonnes of questions :$
[04:39] <Cannoli> XD
[04:39] <intelikey> Cannoli anything you change.   i.e.  if you mess with that drive at all    yes.
[04:39] <DaSkreech> Insane`KDE: Muwahahaha My job is to overload you with coolness so that by the end of the week you will want to leave cause of the sugar coating your teeth
[04:39] <Insane`KDE> I already have my mouth full
[04:40] <Cannoli> 0.0
[04:40] <Insane`KDE> Or do you intend on stuffing it up my nose?
[04:40] <intelikey> Cannoli cursing the os (or it's writers/supporters) is no substitute for backed up data     :)
[04:40] <Cannoli> lol
[04:40] <DaSkreech> backups ftw!!
[04:40] <intelikey> anything worth having is worth making backups.
[04:40] <Cannoli> do i have to mess with my 60gb hd
[04:40] <DaSkreech> and FTWAOT!
[04:40] <Cannoli> cause thts strictly windows
[04:40] <Insane`KDE> Anyways, I install linux and go tell my brother about it, and suddenly I see that he's runnign linux too
[04:40] <Cannoli> and like programs
[04:41] <intelikey> Cannoli no you do not have too...
[04:41] <Insane`KDE> When the last time I talked to him he was still on windows..
[04:41] <Cannoli> perfect
[04:41] <Cannoli> lol insane
[04:41] <Insane`KDE> It's a disease
[04:41] <Insane`KDE> Deadly and contagious
[04:41] <DaSkreech> Insane`KDE: Have you done Alt+space yet ?
[04:41] <Cannoli> wow kopete msn is uuggllyy
[04:41] <Cannoli> XD
[04:41] <Insane`KDE> Alt+Space??
[04:42] <Dragnslcr> Heh
[04:42] <Tomi-idle> no it's not
[04:42] <Insane`KDE> I don'T get it :P
[04:42] <Cannoli> lol whts catapault?
[04:42] <Dragnslcr> Kopete is still fairly immature. It's getting a lot better pretty quickly though
[04:42] <Tomi-idle> you can launch programs/bookmarks/songs with katapult
[04:42] <intelikey> ugly as in a lion eating a baby    or ugly as in a baby eating a lion  ???
[04:42] <DaSkreech> alt+space -> adept -> press enter
[04:42] <DaSkreech> !katapult
[04:42] <ubotu> katapult is the new application launcher for KDE, to be used with applications, bookmarks, and Amarok playlists. Once you have installed, hit Alt+f2 -> katapult, then hit Alt+Space, and type what you want.
[04:42] <Cannoli> Dragnslcr thts always good
[04:42] <Insane`KDE> wow
[04:43] <Insane`KDE> Katapult is made of win and awesome
[04:43] <Tomi-idle> amarok on the other hand -- isn't
[04:43] <Insane`KDE> But beryl is made of win, awesome and EYE CANDY
[04:43] <Cannoli> THT IS AWESOME
[04:43] <DaSkreech> If you have a folder in your home folder you can type that in and browse around
[04:43] <Cannoli> omg
[04:43] <Cannoli> sooo hawt
[04:43] <Insane`KDE> Lawl
[04:43] <DaSkreech> Cannoli: Oh you two?
[04:43] <Insane`KDE> Linux is running out of my ears
[04:43] <Cannoli> wht does the windows key do? :S
[04:43] <DaSkreech> Speaking of two
[04:43] <Insane`KDE> It managed to prevent me from sleeping a total of 2 nights so far
[04:44] <DaSkreech> alt+space -> 2 + 3
[04:44] <intelikey> Cannoli it's programable
[04:44] <Cannoli> :|
[04:44] <Cannoli> 0.0
[04:44] <intelikey> Cannoli mine switches tty's
[04:44] <Cannoli> it just gets better and better
[04:44] <Cannoli> XD
[04:44] <Cannoli> tty?
[04:44] <Insane`KDE> Wow
[04:44] <Insane`KDE> calc
[04:44] <Insane`KDE> It got sin?
[04:44] <DaSkreech> Alt+space -> 3 ^ 5
[04:44] <Insane`KDE> WOW
[04:44] <intelikey> Cannoli console   that thing you learn about in about two years  :)
[04:45] <Cannoli> lmao intel
[04:45] <Cannoli> dont wrry i learn this fairly fast
[04:45] <Insane`KDE> Alt + Space 3+sin(4)
[04:45] <Cannoli> im good with pcs :)
[04:45] <Tomi-idle> ctrl-alt-f1 = tty1
[04:45] <DaSkreech> alt+space -> spell neat
[04:45] <Tomi-idle> ctrl-alt-f7 = first graphical
[04:45] <Tomi-idle> x session
[04:45] <intelikey> Cannoli ?
[04:46] <intelikey> Tomi-idle i think you should have reversed those.....
[04:46] <intelikey> :)
[04:46] <Tomi-idle> yeah i think so too
[04:46] <Tomi-idle> lol
[04:46] <Tomi-idle> or at least on same sentence
[04:46] <DaSkreech> Tomi-idle: Always explain those in one line
[04:46] <Tomi-idle> hehe
[04:46] <DaSkreech> ....
[04:46] <DaSkreech> always
[04:46] <Tomi-idle> my bad
[04:46] <DaSkreech> He's going to have to reboot now
[04:46] <intelikey> he'll reboot like any good windows user
[04:46] <Tomi-idle> "hay guys, i just had to reboot"
[04:47] <Cannoli> OMG
[04:47] <Cannoli> OMG
[04:47] <Tomi-idle> then again everyone should know what they tty's are ..
[04:47] <Cannoli> i got lost in ctrl + alt
[04:47] <Cannoli> + f1
[04:47] <Cannoli> scaryt
[04:47] <Cannoli> scary*
[04:47] <intelikey> lost in a console   yeap
[04:47] <DaSkreech> Cannoli: Found F7 ?
[04:47] <Tomi-idle> lol
[04:47] <Cannoli> yea
[04:47] <Cannoli> XD
[04:47] <Tomi-idle> we thought so you would ;D
[04:47] <Cannoli> i was sooo freaked
[04:48] <DaSkreech> Cannoli: Cool better than most
[04:48] <Ellipsys> Hello everyone. Anyone have a minute to help with accessing network shares?
[04:48] <winbond> anyone done the guide for installing kd4 from the kubuntu website?
[04:48] <DaSkreech> Cannoli: that's like having 7 different computers
[04:48] <Tomi-idle> winbond: i did
[04:48] <intelikey> Cannoli what you don't know about linux you are still in a console,   xorg is running in tty7   console number seven
[04:48] <DaSkreech> Ellipsys: Sup?
[04:48] <Cannoli> lmfao i love how u said he'll reboot like most windows users
[04:48] <Cannoli> XD
[04:48] <DaSkreech> winbond: It will be up soon
[04:48] <DaSkreech> Oh thought you meant the new one :)
[04:49] <Tomi-idle> kde4 updatge?
[04:49] <DaSkreech> Cannoli: No joke most people do
[04:49] <Cannoli> DaSkreech if there are 7 diff pcs how is it that only 1 has gui?
[04:49] <winbond> Tomi-idle: it sais 'edit the Name entry in kde4.desktop to be called "KDE 4"' what does it mean,
[04:49] <Ellipsys> DaSkreech: I have an openfiler box running SMB and NFS services that is acting like my media server. In Windows I could just hit view network computer/shares or whatever, but it doesn't seem that easy here in linux
[04:49] <Cannoli> lol i wouldnt be surprised
[04:49] <DaSkreech> Cannoli: You only need one gui :)
[04:49] <Cannoli> i tried soo many cmd commands
[04:49] <Tomi-idle> winbond: there's the session name inside the file
[04:49] <Tomi-idle> so you won't get two "KDE" sessions in the list
[04:49] <DaSkreech> Ellipsys: try open konqueror and type smb:/
[04:49] <Cannoli> k lets get into this later when i get use to it
[04:49] <Cannoli> :)
[04:49] <Tomi-idle> it doens't hurt, but easier to choose from :)
[04:49] <Ellipsys> Nothing at all
[04:50] <arun> How do I disable my NAT firewall?
[04:50] <Cannoli> oh im into programming using my parallel port and stuff. how is linux with that?
[04:50] <Cannoli> :S
[04:50] <Tomi-idle> arun: go to your local router/modem ;)
[04:50] <DaSkreech> Ellipsys: If you know the name of the machine or the ip address you can type smb:/ipaddress or smb:/name
[04:50] <winbond> Tomi-idle: i only see  Name and o Session Name
[04:50] <intelikey> Cannoli i was typing you a how to and Tomi-idle blurted out the first command    and i figured you would see the terifrightingly awful  LINUX CONSOLE and it would be reboot city like with so many...     but glad you found your way back.... :)
[04:50] <arun> I don't have access to my router
[04:50] <Tomi-idle> winbond: somewhere reads "KDE" change it to "KDE 4" or something
[04:50] <shahzeb> hi guys
[04:51] <arun> hi
[04:51] <winbond> Tomi-idle: ok , ty
[04:51] <shahzeb> i wanna enable 3d desktop on my computer
[04:51] <soulrider> hi
[04:51] <intelikey> Cannoli programing ?   C   C++   ?
[04:51] <Cannoli> intelikey hahah yep :) i love how u knew i would try tht command
[04:51] <Cannoli> XD
[04:51] <DaSkreech> !beryl
[04:51] <ubotu> beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. Help in #ubuntu-effects
[04:51] <Tomi-idle> Cannoli: we ALL knew ;)
[04:51] <DaSkreech> shahzeb: #ubuntu-effects is the place
[04:51] <Tomi-idle> Cannoli: and sorry about that, i only realized it after i had typed the 2 lines
[04:51] <shahzeb> soo i have to dowload it
[04:52] <DaSkreech> Hi Insane
[04:52] <DaSkreech> shahzeb: Pretty much
[04:52] <Ellipsys> Aha! THanks! I didn't know I had to manually specify. It seems a bit slow, but at least I can access the files there.
[04:52] <winbond> Tomi-idle: what are the 3 export line it is talking about?
[04:52] <Cannoli> i know c, c++, vb, dark basic, q-basic, turing, action script and im learning java
[04:52] <Cannoli> :)
[04:52] <DaSkreech> Ellipsys: Yep it works
[04:52] <Tomi-idle> winbond: they change your environment settings so your kde3 programs dont get mixed with kde4
[04:52] <intelikey> Cannoli now word.   don't try everything you see  there are commands like sudo rm -r   that you don't want to issue unless you know exactly what you are doing.
[04:52] <Ellipsys> I tried to use SMB4K, which shows the workgroup and the NAS, but I can't access it. Wonder why
[04:52] <Tomi-idle> changes different working directories
[04:53] <DaSkreech> Ellipsys: there is a program that makes it all easier but that works
[04:53] <DaSkreech> SMB4k that's it! :)
[04:53] <jhutchins> Ellipsys: What about smbclient?
[04:53] <winbond> Tomi-idle: but i dont know which 3 its talking about
[04:53] <TheRealInsane> DaSkreech you'Re evil
[04:53] <TheRealInsane> you'Re evil and twisted
[04:53] <Tomi-idle> winbond: the ones that are listed there. export blah blah
[04:53] <Ellipsys> I've never used that one
[04:53] <Tomi-idle> winbond: plug the url you're watching
[04:53] <DaSkreech> TheRealInsane: Hey there was a fake insane in here trying to be you :)
[04:53] <intelikey> Cannoli you'll want to install   build-essential   as the first extra package in linux   it installs the gnu c complier     a main stay     of programming     and   vim or emacs
[04:53] <jhutchins> smb4k is gui crap.
[04:53] <winbond> Tomi-idle: there are 4 listed , not 3
[04:54] <Tomi-idle> winbond: yeah it's a typo
[04:54] <TheRealInsane> making fun of me by telling me to press key combos and force me to reboot
[04:54] <Tomi-idle> winbond: there used to be only 3. put them all in the file
[04:54] <TheRealInsane> DaSkreech huh?
[04:54] <winbond> Tomi-idle: oh , k , ty
[04:54] <DaSkreech> jhutchins: So is Konqueror
[04:54] <TheRealInsane> You mean Insane`KDE
[04:54] <jhutchins> DaSkreech: Yes.
[04:54] <TheRealInsane> It's me
[04:54] <DaSkreech> TheRealInsane: No just someone named Insane :)
[04:54] <DaSkreech> TheRealInsane: I know ;)
[04:54] <intelikey> Cannoli all of which can be done with the pointy clicky thingy   or in a single command in a terminal.
[04:54] <TheRealInsane> Uh-huh
[04:54] <Cannoli> intel: howz the port talk an linux?
[04:54] <DaSkreech> Cannoli: See ^^^
[04:54] <TheRealInsane> Well the guy called just Insane registered his nickname
[04:55] <TheRealInsane> Which forced me to use Insane`KDE or TheRealInsane
[04:55] <DaSkreech> Of course he would be Insane otherwise...
[04:55] <DaSkreech> I mean
[04:55] <DaSkreech> ....
[04:55] <jhutchins> Napoleon the 13th?
[04:55] <DaSkreech> I don't know what I mean :(
[04:55] <Tomi-idle> when you see a keycombo.. consider it as a red button ;(
[04:55] <dougb> does anyone know of a good guide in setting up a PPTP connection to a windows 2003 server in Kubuntu?
[04:55] <Ellipsys> DaSkreech: When I try to access the same share with SMB4K, it always can't connect. It "knows" about the workgroup and all that, but always times out when connecting. Hmm
[04:55] <TheRealInsane> Anyways, who was that joker that made me press Ctrl + Alt + F1?
[04:55] <DaSkreech> Ellipsys: that's kinda strange. I can't comment since I've never used it
[04:56] <Tomi-idle> TheRealInsane: that would be me
[04:56] <DaSkreech> TheRealInsane: I don't think anyone made you
[04:56] <Tomi-idle> TheRealInsane: you didn't read the next line
[04:56] <intelikey> Cannoli personally not being a "programmer" that question would be better fielded by others.    although i'd say top notch
[04:56] <TheRealInsane> Lol
[04:56] <TheRealInsane> What was it?
[04:56] <DaSkreech> TheRealInsane: but if you had waited 2 mintues you would have seen how to get back here
[04:56] <Cannoli> ic
[04:56] <Tomi-idle> TheRealInsane: that the first graphical session is with ctrl-alt-f7
[04:56] <Cannoli> u dont know abt any speccial protection linux might have do u?
[04:56] <TheRealInsane> Lol.....
[04:56] <DaSkreech> TheRealInsane: This is alt+ctrl+F7 You went to alt+Ctrl+F1
[04:56] <Cannoli> like windows resitricts it
[04:56] <Cannoli> esp xp
[04:56] <Ellipsys> Ahh well, thanks for your help. At least I have the NAS on a static IP so I can connect to it anytime. Hey, do you know anything about using  Gparted to resize a partition?
[04:56] <Tomi-idle> tty1-6 are terminal sessions. (f1-f6). f7+ are graphical
[04:56] <DaSkreech> Cannoli: You own Linux
[04:57] <TheRealInsane> I tried startx, stopx, setx, getx, runx, switchx, loadx, usex, havex, gox, x but nothing got me into the gui agian
[04:57] <Cannoli> hahahha
[04:57] <DaSkreech> Cannoli: It may take a few years for that to sink in but the restrictions are your restrictions
[04:57] <Cannoli> great answer
[04:57] <intelikey> Cannoli put it this way.  when i first asked about programming in linux     the answer was     linux is a programmers * dream
[04:57] <Cannoli> XD
[04:57] <Dragnslcr> Cannoli- C programs that access the parallel port probably have to run as root
[04:57] <Dragnslcr> Cannoli- I had to do it in college, so I know it's possible
[04:57] <TheRealInsane> Linux IS a programmers dream
[04:57] <Cannoli> perfect :)
[04:57] <DaSkreech> TheRealInsane: Well remember Alt+ctrl+F7 and try Alt+Ctrl+F1 again
[04:57] <TheRealInsane> Umm
[04:58] <Cannoli> one last thing before i go clean my hd
[04:58] <TheRealInsane> Can I trust you? xD
[04:58] <Tomi-idle> TheRealInsane: you can launch programs thru your tty's to your graphical session.. i.e "DISPLAY=:0 firefox" would open firefox to your first display
[04:58] <intelikey> TheRealInsane wet
[04:58] <winbond> Tomi-idle: ok , just one more question , how do i strat new session , just type kde 4 in the konsole?
[04:58] <Cannoli> how do u erase the history in the webbrowser?
[04:58] <Cannoli> XD
[04:58] <DaSkreech> intelikey: Which may be the problem :) Programmers suck :)
[04:58] <TheRealInsane> I remember MMORPGs in which people shouted: God mode Alt+F4 and sudenly there was a mass logoff
[04:58] <DaSkreech> Cannoli: Same way you do in Windows
[04:58] <DaSkreech> Format!!!
[04:58] <DaSkreech> No I joke
[04:58] <Cannoli> LMFAO
[04:58] <DaSkreech> From preferences
[04:58] <intelikey> Cannoli which browser ?
[04:58] <Tomi-idle> winbond: if you did what it asked you to. then you can either log out & select a new session. or swiitch user->start new session -> kde 4 from sessions list
[04:59] <Cannoli> i told a friend to do tht once
[04:59] <DaSkreech> Which will be under Settings-> For KDE and under Edit -> for Gnome
[04:59] <Cannoli> he ended up erasing ie from his pc
[04:59] <Cannoli> XD
[04:59] <TheRealInsane> sudo apt-get install beryl
[04:59] <Cannoli> konquerer
[04:59] <intelikey> konqueror has a feature to auto-clean if you set it.
[04:59] <Cannoli> i think its called
[04:59] <winbond> Tomi-idle: alright, thanks
[04:59] <Tomi-idle> winbond: when you copied the kde.session file to the directory you make the login screen find a new session
[04:59] <DaSkreech> winbond: You would do it from KDM as far as I know
[04:59] <TheRealInsane> Cool Ctrl + Alt + F7 worked
[04:59] <intelikey> and the option to clean is there along side that tic box    in the menus
[04:59] <TheRealInsane> trust++
[04:59] <DaSkreech> TheRealInsane: Level up!
[05:00] <Tomi-idle> winbond: oh. and if you have 2 sessions
[05:00] <DaSkreech> I'm now above a politician :)
[05:00] <TheRealInsane> Now you're not barf, you'Re a minion
[05:00] <Tomi-idle> winbond: --- you can switch between them by ctrl-alt-f7 and f8 and f9 etc
[05:00] <DaSkreech> TheRealInsane: I just said that!
[05:00] <TheRealInsane> Rise, minions
[05:01] <winbond> Tomi-idle: i didnt do anything with kde.session
[05:01] <DaSkreech> BTW does Kubuntu have XDMCP running?
[05:01] <Tomi-idle> winbond: kde4.session
[05:01] <Cannoli> k im going back to windows for a little bit
[05:01] <Cannoli> to clean up my hd and wht not
[05:01] <Cannoli> bbiab guys
[05:01] <winbond> Tomi-idle: i didnt do anything with that either, what do i need to do with it?
[05:01] <TheRealInsane> Oh heavenly powers of the holy Skreech, bestow the fluid and texture of knowledgepon the sapling of my yearning soul
[05:01] <Cannoli> and thanx for all the help
[05:02] <Cannoli> :)
[05:02] <Tomi-idle> winbond: give me the url of the page you did it from
[05:02] <intelikey> konquerot is 'standards compliant' from what i hear.   and not all webpages are    so while ie and ff may render the page differently than konq and in some openions better   the fact is that the page is borked and the browser is semi-borked by rendering bad html as if it was compliant.
[05:02] <TheRealInsane> Hey cool. I should write poems
[05:02] <swyer> hey does anyone here play WoW? and have it working properly with nvidia?
[05:02] <TheRealInsane> Me!
[05:02] <winbond> Tomi-idle: http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-beta1.php
[05:02] <Ellipsys> Swyer: I wish! I have a crappy ATI on this laptop
[05:02] <Tomi-idle> winbond: did you do this? "To run it as a full session copy /usr/lib/kde4/share/apps/kdm/sessions/kde.desktop to /usr/share/xsessions/kde4.desktop, edit the Name entry in kde4.desktop to be called "KDE 4", put the three export lines at the top of /usr/lib/kde4/bin/startkde and start a new session in KDM with KDE 4."
[05:02] <TheRealInsane> nVidida GeForce running WoW TBC
[05:03] <Tomi-idle> geforcewhat?
[05:03] <arun> anyone here use firestarter?
[05:03] <DaSkreech> TheRealInsane: You have WOW running in Linux in two days
[05:03] <TheRealInsane> I shall thus repeat my quest for information
[05:03] <DaSkreech> That is addiction
[05:03] <TheRealInsane> Oh heavenly powers of the holy Skreech, bestow the fluid and texture of knowledgepon the sapling of my yearning soul
[05:03] <Tomi-idle> i just came back from the wow-land
[05:03] <DaSkreech> !firestarter
[05:03] <winbond> Tomi-idle: yup , did all that
[05:03] <ubotu> Ubuntu, like any other linux distribution, has firewall capabilities built-in. The firewall is managed using the 'iptables' command (see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IptablesHowTo), or GUI applications such as Firestarter (Gnome) or Guarddog (KDE).
[05:03] <TheRealInsane> Now, running on winblows
[05:03] <TheRealInsane> *No
[05:03] <intelikey> name of a TBS game that you like and would reccomend to others  ?
[05:03] <swyer> I have WoW running, but the icon/action bars are kinda slow/unresponsive
[05:03] <DaSkreech> TheRealInsane: ok have you seen Basket? :)
[05:03] <Tomi-idle> winbond: then you have a new session. and you edited the kde4.session file, and edited startkde file
[05:03] <intelikey> anyone ?
[05:04] <DaSkreech> intelikey: tbs ?
[05:04] <TheRealInsane> DaSkreech no ._.
[05:04] <DaSkreech> Turn based?
[05:04] <intelikey> DaSkreech yes
[05:04] <DaSkreech> !info basket
[05:04] <ubotu> basket: a multi-purpose note-taking application for KDE. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.0.1-1 (feisty), package size 4826 kB, installed size 7452 kB
[05:04] <DaSkreech> Wesnoth? :)
[05:04] <TheRealInsane> uh-huh
[05:04] <Ellipsys> Oh here's a question for the WoW users: Is anyone using JAceUpdater?
[05:04] <winbond> Tomi-idle: edited kde4.desktop and startkde
[05:04] <DaSkreech> Wesnoth is pretty cool if you give it a day
[05:04] <intelikey> DaSkreech yes have and like ok.   others ?
[05:04] <TheRealInsane> *holds right ear shut to prevent words from going straiht out*
[05:04] <DaSkreech> Globulations
[05:04] <swyer> Ellipsys - whats aceupdater?
[05:04] <DaSkreech> Wait
[05:04] <DaSkreech> that's not Turn based
[05:05] <DaSkreech>  Warlords is
[05:05] <DaSkreech>  So is NERO
[05:05] <DaSkreech> Hmm
[05:05] <TheRealInsane> nero??
[05:05] <TheRealInsane> Where's rome??
[05:05] <Tomi-idle> winbond: it goes like this. KDM (the login manager) seachers for the .session files (i.e. kde4.session). adds them to the list of sessions which you can choose :) the session will the run startkde (or any executable)
[05:05] <TheRealInsane> It'S on fire!!
[05:05] <DaSkreech> N.E.R.O
[05:05] <intelikey> DaSkreech is it good ?
[05:05] <DaSkreech> Globulation is
[05:05] <swyer> woo i have beryl working
[05:05] <Ellipsys> Swyer: Check www.wowace.com for ACE2 based mods. There is the WoWAceUpdater for windows that automatically updates your UI mod. However, knowing linux and mac folks like autoupdating mods too, someone wrote a Java version
[05:05] <TheRealInsane> never ever read online?
[05:05] <Tomi-idle> winbond: then you can login to the new session :)
[05:05] <DaSkreech> It's interesting :)
[05:05] <intelikey> k
[05:06] <winbond> Tomi-idle: ok , im gonna log out and see what happens  ,ty
[05:06] <TheRealInsane> [n] ever [e] ver [r] ead [o] nline
[05:06] <DaSkreech> But not turn based
[05:06] <Tomi-idle> winbond: wait
[05:06] <Tomi-idle> winbond: you don't have to log out. you can add another session on top of this one
[05:06] <intelikey> any modern war stratigy type   TBS   ?
[05:06] <DaSkreech> I've never got warlords to compile but that was like two years ago
[05:06] <TheRealInsane> Never ever rub orifices :O
[05:06] <Tomi-idle> from k-menu -> switch user -> start new session
[05:06] <winbond> Tomi-idle: ok ill try that
[05:06] <DaSkreech> intelikey: Oh dude there is one that's totally wicked but I don't recall the name LGenerals2 or something
[05:06] <Tomi-idle> winbond:  this way you can always come back to this session with ctrl-alt-f7
[05:07] <DaSkreech> TheRealInsane: 0_o
[05:07] <TheRealInsane> Should I risk turning on my pc?
[05:07] <TheRealInsane> Don't know if it's safe yet
[05:07] <Tomi-idle> what's the danger? :o
[05:07] <TheRealInsane> Overheated
[05:07] <Ellipsys> Could anyone give me a hand with resizing a partition so that I might install XP for my ATI-based WoWification?
[05:08] <Tomi-idle> mine's doing that too
[05:08] <TheRealInsane> I don't actually feel any hot parts though..
[05:08] <Tomi-idle> bios start shouting beepboopbeepboop
[05:08] <DaSkreech> Ellipsys: Gparted?
[05:08] <TheRealInsane> Mine just froze and emitted a most unpleasent odor of burning plastic
[05:08] <Tomi-idle> TheRealInsane: the cpu can overheat in a matter of seconds if there is nothing to take away the heat
[05:08] <intelikey> DaSkreech wasn't there also a wesnoth like TBS game with ships planes and such ???  what's that called    i'll look in the repos and see if i find it...
[05:08] <TheRealInsane> My coolor is running
[05:09] <TheRealInsane> Play flashgames
[05:09] <Tomi-idle> lol if there's something burning you might want to get all extra cards out of it
[05:09] <geo__> is there a way to run Flash in 64-bit?
[05:09] <DaSkreech> intelikey: I don't know I spend most of my time on HP.org
[05:09] <TheRealInsane> They're made of fin and awesome
[05:09] <Tomi-idle> the mobo could fry them on the way too
[05:09] <TheRealInsane> !flash65 | geo__
[05:09] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about flash65 - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:09] <DaSkreech> geo__: Yes.
[05:09] <TheRealInsane> !flash64 | geo__
[05:09] <ubotu> geo__: You can run Flash, Real, and Java plugins in AMD64 bit computers with Firefox. see the steps to follow at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FirefoxAMD64FlashJava
[05:09] <DaSkreech> geo__: Is it painful?
[05:09] <McQuaid> regarding the kde4 beta (3.92) pkgs.  I read before that it installs alongside 3.5x and not replace it
[05:09] <DaSkreech> geo__: Yes.
[05:09] <intelikey> DaSkreech wasn't  lgeneral    you were thinking of ?
[05:09] <McQuaid> is that correct?
[05:09] <Tomi-idle> McQuaid: yes. i just did it today
[05:09] <mcrandello> supposedly
[05:10] <DaSkreech> :-)
[05:10] <McQuaid> ok
[05:10] <Ellipsys> DaSkreech: I have Gparted open now, and its looking at my single HDD. I let Kubuntu auto partition itself
[05:10] <DaSkreech> intelikey: That would be it. I thought it had a 2 tacked on
[05:10] <mcrandello> sudo apt-get update && apt-cache policy kde4base
[05:10] <mcrandello> ;_;
[05:10] <Ellipsys> when I installed. I'm not sure how to resize. Its grayed out
[05:10] <TheRealInsane> Hmm ok..
[05:10] <McQuaid> btw, are other apps available?  like kaffeine, amarok etc? or just the base install of kde4?
[05:10] <TheRealInsane> The odor of burnt plastic is gone
[05:10] <intelikey> DaSkreech well there may be a  2   but that one is in the repos
[05:11] <intelikey> i'll give it a look
[05:11] <Tomi-idle> McQuaid: not worth looking into yet
[05:11] <DaSkreech> McQuaid: the base install would include kaffeine but not amarok I would guess
[05:11] <WaxyFresh> geo__: you can install firefox32 and then throw in the 32bit plugins not painfull at all
[05:11] <Tomi-idle> McQuaid: oxygen style is missing too
[05:11] <Tomi-idle> McQuaid: had to compile it
[05:11] <DaSkreech> Tomi-idle: You lie!!
[05:11] <TheRealInsane> !flash64 | geo__
[05:11] <ubotu> geo__: You can run Flash, Real, and Java plugins in AMD64 bit computers with Firefox. see the steps to follow at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FirefoxAMD64FlashJava
[05:11] <Tomi-idle> i lie none!
[05:11] <McQuaid> missing oxygen?  that's surprising
[05:11] <DaSkreech> Tomi-idle: Which build is that?
[05:11] <TheRealInsane> Hmk
[05:12] <intelikey> OH ME.   he's thrown down the gauntlet
[05:12] <TheRealInsane> I think my normal pc is running fine again
[05:12] <Tomi-idle> DaSkreech: if i don't tell i won't be pointed fingers at :O
[05:12] <TheRealInsane> I'll replugin my lan cable
[05:12] <TheRealInsane> cya brb
[05:12] <Tomi-idle> DaSkreech: there is oxygen style there somewhere then?
[05:12] <Tomi-idle> DaSkreech: i installed pretty much all kde4 packages ... unless there is like some weird style-oxygen-somecrap
[05:13] <DaSkreech> Tomi-idle: which Build is that? alpha2 or Beta 1?
[05:13] <Tomi-idle> beta1
[05:13] <DaSkreech> That sucketh
[05:13] <Tomi-idle> the alpha2 livecd i tested had oxygen there
[05:13] <winbond> Tomi-idle: when i run a new xsession from the current session it hangs on black screen, if i run a kde4 session from login screen it kicks me out back to the login screen
[05:13] <Tomi-idle> gutsys repo packages didn't
[05:13] <phoenixz> If I want to use compiz-fusion, should I also install compiz? I only see compiz-fusion plugins...
[05:13] <DaSkreech> Ah well :)
[05:13] <SapoChule> any one has any references on how well Ubuntu and Debian packages can co-exist on the same machine? [i.e. I WANT THOSE KDE 4.0 PACKAGES O: ] 
[05:13] <SapoChule> (-:
[05:14] <McQuaid> that sucketh... heh
[05:14] <DaSkreech> phoenixz: compiz-fusion is the new compiz which was the new black
[05:14] <arun> Has anyone here used Fedora Core?
[05:14] <Tomi-idle> winbond: DaSkreech can help you propably <.<
[05:14] <DaSkreech> SapoChule: there are ubuntu KDE4 packages
[05:14] <su-hoens`rZ> anyone know why the kubuntu alt cd installer doesn't locate 3 of my 4 sata drives even though the bios and the main cd find them fine? :(
[05:14] <intelikey> behold,    that sucketh !
[05:14] <DaSkreech> arun: I had Fedora core 1
[05:14] <intelikey> :)
[05:14] <Tomi-idle> winbond: the kde4 session problem could be if you didn't do exactly as the page said
[05:14] <WaxyFresh> anyone use innotek virtualbox on amd64
[05:14] <phoenixz> DaSkreech, What would you recommend, beryl or compiz-fusion? I remember compiz to be slow as hell..
[05:15] <DaSkreech> phoenixz: new is better
[05:15] <Tomi-idle> beryl is dead. compiz-fusion is developed
[05:15] <phoenixz> I'll give it a chance then..
[05:15] <arun> DaSkreech: were you happy with it? I had tried FC3 at a friend's place once, but I couldn't do anything much with it because the computer wasn't connected to the internet at the time
[05:15] <DaSkreech> Compiz-fusion is compiz+Beryl
[05:15] <Tomi-idle> well beryl aint dead.. more like merged with compiz
[05:15] <intelikey> su-hoens`rZ raid ?
[05:15] <phoenixz> Tomi-idle, so the speed problems with compiz are solved? When I tried Beryl, it was like 5x faster
[05:15] <DaSkreech> arun: All modern linux boxes are like that
[05:15] <su-hoens`rZ> intelikey i wish
[05:15] <arun> I hear KDE4 is going to have native compiz support?
[05:15] <SapoChule> DaSkreech -> I am wondering if I can stick the Ubuntu repository on my deiban's sources.list and everything will be fine....
[05:15] <su-hoens`rZ> intelikey that's what i'm trying to setup
[05:15] <DaSkreech> very cool. Until you install without net
[05:15] <Tomi-idle> phoenixz: i have my share of problems with compiz-f on amd64 ;) not using it atm
[05:15] <Biovore> arun: maybe.. kde4 is still in development..
[05:16] <intelikey> compiz-confusion  ?
[05:16] <DaSkreech> SapoChule: It keeps them contained so it should be good
[05:16] <Tomi-idle> phoenixz: no speed problems on i386 last time i tried.
[05:16] <arun> haha
[05:16] <intelikey> su-hoens`rZ see if there show in      sudo fdisk -l
[05:16] <Tomi-idle> is the kde4 having native compiz support or just opengl support?
[05:16] <su-hoens`rZ> intelikey they don't
[05:17] <DaSkreech> intelikey: no it stopped compiz-confusion with compiz-confucious
[05:17] <Biovore> Tomi-idle: unknow for sure.. kde4 is still in development.. It could..
[05:17] <winbond> Tomi-idle: i did exactly what it said,
[05:17] <DaSkreech> arunkale:no it wont
[05:17] <intelikey> one does the other three don't su-hoens`rZ   same bus ?
[05:17] <Insane`KDE> Yay
[05:17] <Insane`KDE> PC
[05:17] <SapoChule> DaSkreech -> cheers, thanks
[05:17] <Insane`KDE> *PC's actually running
[05:17] <intelikey> well that just don't make any sense
[05:17] <Insane`KDE> And it stopped smelling like burnt plastic
[05:17] <arunkale> how do i disable my NAT firewall from ubuntu?
[05:17] <DaSkreech> Tomi-idle: no compiz support in kde4
[05:18] <phoenixz> on KDE4, could I install it next to KDE3 without problems? like that I could choose to use KDE4 @ login?
[05:18] <DaSkreech> None!
[05:18] <su-hoens`rZ> intelikey i think there are 2 busses, with 2 each, and it gets recognized by both bios and the normal install cd, but not the alt cd
[05:18] <Tomi-idle> DaSkreech: thought so
[05:18] <Tomi-idle> COMPIZ TO DUMP
[05:18] <DaSkreech> phoenixz: that's how it works curerntyl
[05:18] <intelikey> su-hoens`rZ  dmesg | less     say anything about them ?
[05:18] <Tomi-idle> that doesn't reflect my real view of compiz in full
[05:18] <DaSkreech> Whatever that means tomi :)
[05:18] <su-hoens`rZ> intelikey let me boot it up
[05:18] <su-hoens`rZ> sec
[05:18] <phoenixz> DaSkreech, okay, so its not like install KDE4 and after that I can reisntall my compu.. :)
[05:19] <Insane`KDE> DaSkreech!
[05:19] <DaSkreech> phoenixz: I'm lost what are you asking? :)
[05:19] <DaSkreech> Insane`KDE: !!
[05:19] <Tomi-idle> insane!
[05:19] <Insane`KDE> DaSkreech: /me wants to learn more cool stuff 'bout Linux!!!
[05:19] <Tomi-idle> crap it's 6:20am.. nite
[05:19] <intelikey> !cli | Insane`KDE
[05:19] <ubotu> Insane`KDE: The linux terminal or command-line interface is very powerful. Open a terminal via Applications -> Accessories -> Terminal (Gnome) or K-menu -> System -> Konsole (KDE).  Guide: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UsingTheTerminal
[05:20] <DaSkreech> Tomi-idle: Night :)
[05:20] <Insane`KDE> Like that nifty Ctrl+Alt+F7 thingy
[05:20] <Insane`KDE> Tomi-idle: 5:20 am here ;)
[05:20] <DaSkreech> intelikey: How do I see jpegs on the cli ?
[05:20] <Insane`KDE> Cool stuff like Alt+Space, not like Konsole :P
[05:20] <DaSkreech> Insane`KDE: do you have any folders in your ~ ?
[05:20] <Insane`KDE> Yep
[05:20] <intelikey> DaSkreech either links2 -g with frame buffering or svgalibs or something like that   or view image with the same
[05:20] <phoenixz> DaSkreech, that when I install KDE4 with adept manager, that I can just carefully try it, login under KDE4, oohhh and aahhww, then logout, and get back to my stable working KDE3.5something desktop
[05:21] <DaSkreech> Give me the name of one of them
[05:21] <Insane`KDE> Lemme see
[05:21] <ShockValue> hokay, somehow i got my box hacked.. so ive rebooted into the livecd so i can mount my drives and salvage my personal work.. is there something i can do to see what has been hacked, or should i just rebuild?
[05:21] <Insane`KDE> data
[05:21] <DaSkreech> phoenixz: Yes they are kept strictly seperate
[05:21] <intelikey> DaSkreech errr  and i think there is a way to render them dirrectly   like a bit map file        but i haven't plaied with that
[05:21] <DaSkreech> ShockValue: How do you know you have been hacked
[05:22] <Insane`KDE> data, hdb1, cpp and of course many hidden folders
[05:22] <DaSkreech> intelikey: those need aalib ?
[05:22] <intelikey> most likely
[05:22] <SapoChule> one last question... anyone knows a good article about Debian vs Ubuntu, would be nice if it not's bias though (-; I just would like to do a little research since packages seem to be available first on Ubuntu then on Debian, something to consider swapping
[05:22] <DaSkreech> phoenixz: You know they have a Live CD for KDE4 right ?
[05:22] <DaSkreech> Insane`KDE: Alt+Space -> data
[05:22] <ShockValue> DaSkreech: lots of proccesses like "portscan2" and such running as root that I didnt start.  running lots of system utilities ended up with a segfault.  now upon reboot, the machine segfaults alot of commands and the screen goes black, and nothing i can do to revive
[05:22] <winbond> Tomi-idle: you know where it sais "run startkde in the Xerphyr xterm." i cant run anything from xephyr couse its just a solid background with a mouse icon , thats it
[05:22] <hitmanWilly> SapoChule: actually, Debian just takes longer to call apps stable
[05:23] <Insane`KDE> Nice
[05:23] <Insane`KDE> It work with /media too?
[05:23] <Insane`KDE> 'cause my HDDs are mounted there
[05:23] <phoenixz> DaSkreech, No I didn't.. But it would require me to download a CD, while installing KDE4 is just quickly done with adept manager.. if its safe, I prefer to do it like that
[05:23] <DaSkreech> ShockValue: ick. check your acces times and find out which files have been accessed sine the last time you know the system was clean
[05:23] <DaSkreech> Insane`KDE: now perss Cltr+L
[05:23] <DaSkreech> Ctrl+L
[05:23] <Insane`KDE> DaSkreech: Any way to get the Katapult onto my other monitor?
[05:24] <SapoChule> hitmanWilly -> well, I was going to point out KDE 4.0 Beta packages as an example d-:
[05:24] <ShockValue> DaSkreech: is there a way to find files on the system like "find * that has been modified in the last 24 hours" type of a deal?
[05:24] <Insane`KDE> Eek
[05:24] <Insane`KDE> Ctrl + L cleared the chat screen
[05:24] <hitmanWilly> SapoChule: they're probably in the Debian unstable
[05:24] <su-hoens`rZ> intelikey for ata2 it says sata link down
[05:24] <su-hoens`rZ> not sure what that meand :>
[05:24] <su-hoens`rZ> *means
[05:24] <DaSkreech> Insane`KDE: Whoops Ctrl+Shift+L :)
[05:24] <DaSkreech> ShockValue: Sure
[05:24] <Insane`KDE> Same thing xD
[05:24] <Insane`KDE> Even when unfocused
[05:25] <DaSkreech> ShockValue: find -atime +7 /
[05:25] <DaSkreech> Where 7 = 7 days
[05:25] <Insane`KDE> DaSkreech: Is Ctrl + Shift + L KDE only? 'cause I'm running Beryl right now
[05:25] <WaxyFresh> how do i upgrade to kde 4.0?
[05:25] <DaSkreech> Insane`KDE: it's Konqueror
[05:25] <Insane`KDE> Ok
[05:25] <Insane`KDE> Let's see
[05:26] <DaSkreech> WaxyFresh: Should be up on the Kubuntu website
[05:26] <Biovore> WaxyFresh: its not complete
[05:26] <DaSkreech> Insane`KDE: still not doing anything? :-(
[05:26] <Biovore> WaxyFresh: not done yet..  there still building it..
[05:26] <WaxyFresh> Biovore: but is it installable?
[05:27] <Biovore> WaxyFresh: depends.. you can check out what they have put together so far from subversion and build it your self..
[05:27] <level1__> [22:27]  <level1__> I'm using the kubuntu amd64 alternate install cd.   How come there is no option to install grub, only lilo?
[05:27] <Ellipsys> Hmm... after enabling all those Gstreamer plugins and the medibuntu repositories, Kaffine should be able to play Xvids, right?
[05:27] <Biovore> Ellipsys: what backend is Kaffine using?
[05:28] <WaxyFresh> Biovore: :( i dont kow how to build anything that dosent invovle legos
[05:28] <Ellipsys> Biovore: I'm..not sure. How can I check?
[05:28] <arunkale> anyone here use korganizer?
[05:28] <WaxyFresh> Biovore: im gusseing you wouldent be willing to wak me thru it?
[05:28] <Biovore> Ellipsys: Not sure.. I don't use kaffine for video..
[05:28] <draik> Is anyone here using VMware Player? I can't seem to use the VMX from easyvmx.com
[05:28] <Ellipsys> Player Engine is Xine
[05:28] <arunkale> draik: i'm using vmware server
[05:29] <draik> arunkale: Is that what I need for the easyvmx zip file?
[05:29] <Biovore> Ellipsys: install the xinelib-extra package.. let figure out what its actualy called..
[05:29] <draik> arunkale:
[05:29] <draik> Version mismatch with vmmon module: expecting 138.0, got 161.0.
[05:29] <draik> You have an incorrect version of the `vmmon' kernel module.
[05:29] <draik> Try reinstalling VMware Player.
[05:29] <arunkale> draik: the vmx file should work with vmware server.. i've never used the player version, though
[05:29] <Biovore> Ellipsys: libxine-extracodecs <-- thats it..
[05:30] <Biovore> yeah.. I have a copy of workstation here..
[05:30] <arunkale> Ellipsys: xvid files work for me in kaffeine
[05:30] <draik> Sorry, I was hoping that was all on one line
[05:30] <phoenixz> I just installed compiz, and I startd the compiz configuration manager, but it gives me "Compiz is not installed correctly", "The compiz gconf schema appears not to be installed correctly. are you sure compiz is installed with gconf support?".... What is this about?
[05:30] <Biovore> #ubuntu-effects for compviz problems..
[05:30] <SapoChule> hitmanWilly: 3.5.7 still....
[05:31] <Ellipsys> Adept-ing them now
[05:32] <WaxyFresh> would anyone here help me install kde 4.0?
[05:32] <ShockValue> DaSkreech: uh yeah.. lots of files like "ls, nano, dmesg, tar, more" etc have been modified in the last 24 hours.. that doesnt sound good
[05:32] <winbond> DaSkreech: :where it sais "run startkde in the Xerphyr xterm." i cant run anything from xephyr couse its just a solid background with a mouse icon , thats it , u know anything about it?
[05:32] <hitmanWilly> SapoChule: well, not sure then, but you could always compile from source :)
[05:33] <Dr_willis> !info xephyr
[05:33] <ubotu> Package xephyr does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas
[05:33] <DaSkreech> ShockValue: accessed
[05:33] <Biovore> ^ thats the recommened way for people who know what there doing.. kde4 will probably be broken out of the box unless you know the guts for KDE
[05:33] <DaSkreech> ShockValue: use mtime to find modified
[05:33] <Ellipsys> Aha! That fixed them for the moment. However, I have the sound all the way up and the video is really quiet. Any ideas?
[05:33] <draik> I can't remove VMware Player =  E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)\
[05:34] <winbond> Dr_willis: xephyr is a new xserver, i think
[05:34] <ShockValue> yeah, i did
[05:34] <Dr_willis> in that case he would need to edit his .xinitrc or whatever startup script it uses to actually load a xterm, and paerhaps a window manager
[05:34] <DaSkreech> WaxyFresh: as I said I think there is a pretty detailed walktrhough on the site
[05:35] <WaxyFresh> DaSkreech: thanks
[05:35] <TheRealInsane> DaSkreech: trust--
[05:35] <Biovore> winbond: xephyer is a kdrive server..
[05:35] <SapoChule> hitmanWilly -> that would involve reading the whole process of debian-ising source packages... which I have read a couple of times in the past and keep forgetting because rarely use it.. :P
[05:35] <TheRealInsane> Guess what happened when I hit Ctrl + Shift + L
[05:36] <winbond> Biovore: what is that exactly?
[05:36] <SapoChule> hitmanWilly -> is there a way I install ubuntu with like a netinstall? i.e. apt-get install whatever I need to?
[05:36] <Dr_willis> !netinstall
[05:36] <ubotu> Ubuntu can be installed in lots of ways. Please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation for documentation. Problems during install? See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommonProblemsInstall and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperReleaseNotes/UbiquityKnownIssues
[05:36] <SapoChule> thanks Dr_willis
[05:36] <Dr_willis> There is some sort of netinstall feature. never used it however
[05:36] <hitmanWilly> SapoChule: meh, never go through all that garbage, just good old fashioned make && make install
[05:36] <Biovore> winbond: a API layer on X  its part of xorg 7.1
[05:37] <TheRealInsane> When I pressed Ctrl + Shift + L:
[05:37] <TheRealInsane> 1) My screen froze
[05:37] <TheRealInsane> 2) my BIOS went EEEEEE OOOOO EEEEEE OOOOO
[05:37] <winbond> Biovore: do you know why i see only a solid background and a mouse icon when i run it?
[05:37] <Biovore> winbond: nope.. I havn't messed with it yet..
[05:37] <TheRealInsane> 3) My computer turned itself off with a smell like burning plastic
[05:37] <Dr_willis> winbond,  i would guess ya got no window manager or other tools going.
[05:37] <winbond> Biovore: ok ty
[05:38] <Dr_willis> thats sounds like a "x is going but thats it' sort of description
[05:38] <draik> arunkale: I can't seem to remove player. I keep getting an error message
[05:38] <TheRealInsane> Anybody know what could be wrong with my pc?
[05:38] <SapoChule> Dr_willis -> What I want is install a base system, and apt-get install whatever I need from there, because I installed ubuntu for a friend once and by default it install all sort of stuff I don't want/need
[05:39] <arunkale> draik: what's the error message
[05:39] <Dr_willis> best to install it from cd, then remove the stuff ya dont need.
[05:39] <hitmanWilly> SapoChule: try the alternate cd
[05:39] <belred> i would like to host my newsgroups with a web interface at my company.  i'm using kubuntu and lighttpd for the webserver.   does kubuntu have a package for this?
[05:39] <Dr_willis> You are talking to a guy that has a 500gb hd for his uvuntu box.. I install EVERYTHING. :)  heh
[05:39] <winbond> Dr_willis: im suposed to run kde4 from xephyr, but xephur is just a blank screen i cant do anything on
[05:39] <SapoChule> Dr_willis & hitmanWilly -> cheers
[05:39] <Dr_willis> winbond,  i would say time to check the xephyr docs and see if it uses .xinitrc or some other startup script to tell it what to 'run' when it starts up
[05:40] <draik> arunkale: http://pastebin.ca/643926
[05:41] <shahzeb> how can i get 3d desktop guys
[05:41] <Dr_willis> Xephyr is a kdrive based X Server which targets a window on a host X Server as its framebuffer. Unlike Xnest it supports modern X extensions
[05:41] <Dr_willis> so thats what xephyr is
[05:41] <Dr_willis> !beryl
[05:41] <ubotu> beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. Help in #ubuntu-effects
[05:41] <ShockValue> well there we have it.. i found the brute for dictionary, and the programs the haXXor was using to screw my box
[05:42] <ShockValue> -for +force
[05:42] <Dr_willis> shahzeb,  whats your video card? You will wna tto get its 3d going firsty
[05:43] <seventh> Anyone here ?
[05:43] <seventh> need help with a live CD
[05:43] <ShockValue> what bothers me, is i have a decent firewall, relatively up to date.. in front of this machine.. yet i still got hacked.. im wondering what i did to let the sucker in
[05:43] <DaSkreech> TheRealInsane: sounds like your CPU fan is off?
[05:43] <DaSkreech> shahzeb: ask in #ubuntu-effects
[05:43] <DaSkreech> !ask | seventh
[05:43] <ubotu> seventh: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[05:44] <Dr_willis> seventh,  and the problem is?
[05:44] <seventh> ShockValue did you start-x --nolisten tcp?
[05:44] <DaSkreech> Man Leave to get a drink and you lose trust :-(
[05:44] <draik> arunkale: Any clues?
[05:44] <ShockValue> seventh: whatever kubuntu does by default.
[05:45] <seventh> Dr_willis the live CD is unable to start-x on one system just sits there looks blanly at me unable to use dial up due to missing files on another and unable to find the modem on the third
[05:45] <ShockValue> interesting, i just found my root password in a generated password file in plaintext in this hacker directory
[05:46] <Dr_willis> Dialup? ICK :)
[05:46] <seventh> Yep dial up
[05:46] <hitmanWilly> ShockValue: well, the way I do it is a router based firewall with all but a couple of ports blocked, and the unblocked ones are non-standard ones
[05:46] <Dr_willis> ShockValue,  you enabled root password... :) shame..
[05:46] <Dr_willis> I do that also. heh heh..
[05:47] <DaSkreech> ShockValue: So change it :)
[05:47] <Dr_willis> my router has most everthing blocked however.  Im not even sure i can ssh in
[05:47] <Dr_willis> why would the guy leave the root password in a file?
[05:47] <hitmanWilly> Dr_willis: ssh is something good to block unless you really need it
[05:48] <Dr_willis> yep. I dont need it. i set it where it can only get accesed on the locallan
[05:48] <ShockValue> hitmanWilly: im using IPcop, but i had SSH open to this box so i could work on it from work
[05:48] <hitmanWilly> Dr_willis: probably some script kiddie who really didn't know what he was doing or how to cover his tracks
[05:48] <DaSkreech> Dr_willis: Cause it's a script
[05:49] <ShockValue> So let my mistake be a lesson to you all....   port 22 open, password enabled root, semi-common sequence of letters for a password = hacked box.
[05:49] <DaSkreech> It breaks the box, generates a new random password  makes a file and when next it gets net access mails it back
[05:49] <hitmanWilly> ShockValue: a suggestion would be to have ssh connect on something other than the default port
[05:49] <DaSkreech> ShockValue: IP open to the net?
[05:49] <tank> when I try to install ssh it asks for the CD...I put the CD in and it than never moves past 0%...any suggestions
[05:49] <ShockValue> hitmanWilly: ill do that next time.. i no longer trust this box (im not proficient enough in linux to "CLEAN" this box)... so im going to rebuild now
[05:50] <ShockValue> DaSkreech: yeah, i wanted to access it from work :(  my bad
[05:50] <DaSkreech> tank: It asks for the CD?
[05:50] <DaSkreech> tank: really?
[05:50] <tank> ya...
[05:50] <hitmanWilly> ShockValue: good idea anyway, even a super guru might miss omething in this case
[05:50] <DaSkreech> tank: What version of Kubuntu ?
[05:50] <tank> newest
[05:50] <DaSkreech> ShockValue: >_<
[05:50] <ShockValue> see ya'll in a few hours
[05:50] <tank> downloaded today
[05:50] <Dr_willis> i always use 'password1' for my root password! they never guess that! :)
[05:50] <tank> it says put the CD in and hit enter
[05:51] <DaSkreech> tank: ok look in adept and from the adept menu choose manager repos
[05:51] <draik> How do I remove an app that refuses to leave?
[05:51] <DaSkreech> tank: Tell me how many of those check boxes are highlighted ?
[05:51] <ShockValue> maybe not, but they did guess "1q2w3e4r"  :)
[05:51] <DaSkreech> draik: Format!! :)
[05:51] <tank> errr sorry! I'm talking about a server my bad
[05:51] <monkeybritches> I hear 'password2' is twice as secure as 'password1'
[05:51] <arunkale> draik: uninstall it from adept?
[05:51] <Dr_willis> Password90210 is even better!
[05:51] <Dr_willis> :_
[05:51] <seventh> In term sudo kill all -9 <app name>
[05:51] <DaSkreech> tank: ah great :) can You look in /etc/apt/sources.list
[05:51] <DaSkreech> tank: are you in Irssi now?
[05:52] <seventh> i think
[05:52] <tank> I'm on a differnt box..right now
[05:52] <tank> but the server needs this key board and moniter lol
[05:52] <Biovore> monkeybritches: md5hash or 3des is probably the way to go with passwords..  1 way..  Can't really be decoded..
[05:52] <DaSkreech> ShockValue: ok see you later. please if you have any port open to the outside secure it with your might and strength
[05:52] <tank> thus why I want to ssh to it
[05:52] <tank> so it can just sit on my floor :P
[05:52] <DaSkreech> You probably have an average of 5000 attemtps in a day on your box
[05:52] <monkeybritches> I just leave it on a post-it stuck to my forehead ;)
[05:52] <Dr_willis> Hmm forehead.. Hmm..
[05:53] <ShockValue> yeah, after what happened today, im going to revisit all my opened ports and their securtiy strength
[05:53] <tank> DaSkreech: what am I looking for? I have to switch over to the server
[05:53] <DaSkreech> tank: Ok lets do this easier
[05:53] <Dr_willis> Has anyone seen  'printable' 'fake tatoo' paper? ya know like the teeshirt iron paper only where ya can make custome temp. tatoos.
[05:53] <seventh> shock value do not forget to start-x manually with the no listen tcp option
[05:53] <DaSkreech> tank:  is the machie you are on a debian/ubuntu box ?
[05:53] <tank> yes
[05:53] <Dr_willis> I recall seeing decal stuff once. for model makers and so forth..
[05:54] <DaSkreech> draik: What do you mean remove? From memory or from the computer ?
[05:54] <phoenixz> How can I make compiz start automatically with KDE? In ubuntu-effects they only know how to do this in Gnome
[05:54] <draik> DaSkreech: computer
[05:54] <DaSkreech> tank:  ok apt-get --download-only install openssh-server
[05:54] <ShockValue> heh, he left his little tag "greets to all #WwWRuN members"
[05:54] <DaSkreech> draik: how will it not leave?
[05:55] <draik> DaSkreech: http://pastebin.ca/643926
[05:55] <tank> and it would be smart to get rid of the half-messed up install?
[05:55] <seventh> Hey shockvalue  chmod his folder to 0000
[05:55] <DaSkreech> ShockValue: find that IRC chan and Lurk it
[05:55] <ShockValue> yeah, im thinking the same thing DaSkreech.. i dont know what server its on though
[05:55] <DaSkreech> phoenixz: You can put it in Kdeinit or Autostart
[05:55] <DaSkreech> !autostart
[05:55] <ubotu> To make programs autostart with your KDE session, you can make a link to it in ~/.kde/Autostart. The package 'kcontrol-autostart' makes a kcontrol item for handling items in that directory.
[05:56] <tank> DaSkreech: thanks brb
[05:56] <DaSkreech> tank: yeah purge that. You know where that file goes to rigth ?
[05:57] <DaSkreech> draik: dpkg --configure -a
[05:57] <draik> Ok, then... remove?
[05:57] <DaSkreech> draik: yeah sure
[05:58] <DaSkreech> what ever you like after that
[05:58] <draik> same
[05:59] <Biovore> www.youtube.com/watch?v=i6VWt4m9o4   <-- kde with the new compviz fusion running on it..
[05:59] <DaSkreech> !info ghostscript gutsy
[05:59] <ubotu> ghostscript: The GPL Ghostscript PostScript/PDF interpreter. In component main, is optional. Version 8.60.dfsg.6-0ubuntu1 (gutsy), package size 697 kB, installed size 3240 kB
[05:59] <Biovore> maybe want to skip the end :-/
[06:00] <draik> Biovore: The url contained a malformed video id.
[06:00] <ShockValue> DaSkreech: found em on undernet, but not allowed to join channel
[06:01] <DaSkreech> ShockValue: didn't think so
[06:01] <DaSkreech> Probably username or ip address restricted
[06:02] <ShockValue> ah well, live and learn.. i have sympathy for those fellas because I used to dabble in that crap.. ijust have better things to do with my time these days :)
[06:02] <DaSkreech> ShockValue: If you are idle enough you can find out the names of the people on and hunt them down :)
[06:02] <DaSkreech> Oh
[06:02] <DaSkreech> Guess not then :)
[06:02] <DaSkreech> !info ghostscript
[06:02] <ubotu> Package ghostscript does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas
[06:02] <DaSkreech> Ha ha :0
[06:02] <DaSkreech> Sweet
[06:04] <Dr_willis> hmm..
[06:04] <Dr_willis> I aint seen that  name in a long time. :)
[06:04] <Dr_willis> wonder what they use now a days.
[06:05] <DaSkreech> Dr_willis: Which name
[06:05] <DaSkreech> phoenixz: How goes?
[06:05] <Dr_willis> gs-common - Common files for different Ghostscript releases
[06:05] <Dr_willis> gs-esp - The Ghostscript PostScript interpreter - ESP version
[06:05] <Dr_willis> ghostscript is just called 'gs' it seems now a days. :)
[06:05] <DaSkreech> Dr_willis: It's GPL now
[06:06] <DaSkreech> and modular it seems
[06:06] <Dr_willis> +good :) ++good.
[06:06] <Dr_willis> heh.
[06:06] <DaSkreech> Modular == sooooo KDEish
[06:07] <DaSkreech> So anyone heard of Smolt?
[06:07] <Dr_willis> Plugins and Themes! like Winamp! :)
[06:07] <Dr_willis> smolt  = isent that a kind of fish.
[06:07] <Dr_willis> or was that Smelt?
[06:07] <DaSkreech> Awwww winamp
[06:07] <DaSkreech> Smelt
[06:15] <Cannoli> hey guys
[06:15] <Cannoli> im back
[06:15] <Cannoli> :)
[06:16] <DaSkreech> Hi
[06:16] <kewlsolutions> ateneo
[06:16] <Cannoli> ok so i cleared up some major space for the partition
[06:16] <DaSkreech> kewlsolutions: Hi
[06:16] <kewlsolutions> irc
[06:16] <Cannoli> now how do i partition without losing files?
[06:19] <kewls> hi
[06:19] <Cannoli> hello
[06:19] <DaSkreech> The install should do that for you
[06:19] <kewls> asl
[06:20] <tank> ok I have ssh installed...I think...Now I need to access the server (on my floor) with this computer....
[06:20] <Cannoli> ~ DaSkreech ~ so when i run the install, it will make it so that my pc is dual boot and i can choose whether i want to run linux or xp on bootup?
[06:20] <DaSkreech> Yes
[06:20] <Cannoli> ~ kewls ~ 17/m/toronto, u?
[06:21] <tank> it says the port is blocked btw...
[06:21] <Cannoli> ok now wht if xp is isntalled on a different drive than kubuntu?
[06:21] <tank> if XP and kubuntu are on differnt drives than there is no need to partition
[06:22] <level1__> How do I install grub on a linux software raid setup?
[06:22] <Cannoli> ~ tank ~ but im installing kubuntu on my slave drive
[06:22] <Cannoli> which justholds files
[06:22] <tank> ya than you will need too :P
[06:23] <tank> just make sure you leave room for your files and you should be fine
[06:23] <DaSkreech> Cannoli: I think it takes care of that as well
[06:23] <Cannoli> ok
[06:23] <tank> its pretty striaght foward once you get to the installer
[06:23] <Cannoli> and is there a way i can limit how much space kubuntu gets and how much space is for my files?
[06:24] <tank> thats what a partition is
[06:24] <tank> it will ask you how much space you want to give kubuntu and how much you want to leave...for your files
[06:24] <DaSkreech> Cannoli: Yep
[06:24] <Cannoli> i know but will it give me the option to have like 100 gb for linux and like 150 for other files?
[06:24] <kewls> phil m23
[06:24] <Cannoli> perfect
[06:24] <DaSkreech> Cannoli: yep
[06:24] <Cannoli> ok
[06:24] <Cannoli> imma switch over to linux
[06:24] <Cannoli> and run the installed
[06:24] <Cannoli> thanx :)
[06:25] <Cannoli> bbiab
[06:25] <tank> ok now DaSkreech I think I got ssh installed now it says the port is closed?
[06:25] <DaSkreech> tank: ah. On the server?
[06:25] <tank> from this computer when I try to connect it says the servers port is closed
[06:26] <DaSkreech> tank: the server's port is closed then :) did you try sudo /etc/init.d/ssh start ?
[06:26] <tank> ya...and everything went good
[06:26] <tank> as far as I thought lol :P
[06:26] <tank> it would be port 22? right
[06:26] <DaSkreech> Ha ha :)
[06:27] <DaSkreech> yeah
[06:27] <DaSkreech> You tried ssh into it's own ip address ?
[06:27] <tank> let me try
[06:27] <tank> sec
[06:29] <tank> ssh: connect to host 70.1* port 22: Connection refused
[06:29] <tank> so what would I do to make sure that ssh is running?
[06:29] <DaSkreech> tank: that sudo /etc thing I did above
[06:31] <tank> if the ssh server is already started it will say it failed to load right?
[06:31] <tank> because I stopped it and than started it a few times
[06:31] <DaSkreech> Yeah
[06:31] <tank> seemed fine
[06:31] <tank> ok
[06:32] <tank> let me go see
[06:32] <DaSkreech> Hmm
[06:32] <DaSkreech> Do you havea firewall running?
[06:32] <tank> on a third computer...that is connected to the network....so that should matter...
[06:33] <DaSkreech> :)
[06:33] <DaSkreech> That's good logic there
[06:33] <arunkale> how does one disable a firewall
[06:34] <tank> so the theory is...that when I connect to localhost...my server should be the only one with port 22 open and thus my computer will connect to the server?
[06:34] <seventh> not advisable
[06:34] <seventh> do not disable the firewall
[06:34] <tank> I have three computers plugged diretly into my router
[06:34] <DaSkreech> tank: good theory as well
[06:34] <DaSkreech> tank: right and they get ips from...?
[06:35] <tank> the router?
[06:35] <seventh> Your ISP could insert crap or anyone else could too if it is wide open
[06:35] <tank> ya know what...
[06:35] <tank> whats it called when the router auto-assigns an internal IP address DH something?
[06:36] <monkeybritches> DHCP
[06:36] <seventh> dhsp
[06:36] <tank> would it matter if the server is currently DHCP?
[06:36] <seventh> dhcp i mean
[06:36] <vzduch> seventh: just for info, *buntu has no ports open by default.. so a good portion of common sense can very well replace a firewall
[06:36] <DaSkreech> Shouldn't as long as you know what the server's ip address is
[06:36] <elite_hacker> hey my sound card(s) dont work in kubuntu? i tried 3 network sound cards 2 ISA slot soundcards but Kmix still shows the X symbol on the speaker in systray? why is this happening?
[06:36] <tank> ok well back to the server....
[06:36] <tank> brb
[06:37] <DaSkreech> !sound
[06:37] <ubotu> If you're having problems with sound, first ensure ARTS is running, by going to K Menu -> System Settings -> Sound System and making sure "Enable the sound system" is checked. If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP3
[06:37] <elite_hacker> i have hardware in sounds and devices seleceted as auto detect
[06:37] <seventh> vzduch not even the famous x port listening?
[06:37] <elite_hacker> why does it show the X symbol?
[06:37] <elite_hacker> lol
[06:37] <vzduch> seventh: ?
[06:38] <elite_hacker> i would laff so hard if it was that
[06:38] <seventh> Port 6663 or somewhere near it i think the one related to starting  x
[06:38] <arunkale> how do i disable my firewall? any idea?
[06:38] <vzduch> arunkale: what firewall?
[06:38] <DaSkreech> arunkale: I have no idea which firewall you are running
[06:39] <arunkale> the ubuntu iptables firewall
[06:39] <arunkale> my azureus speeds are crawling slow.. i just want to see if they improve if i disable the firewall
[06:39] <elite_hacker> nope i tried that in the settings still shows X i did a re-install and it shows it on the livecd too with the X on the Kmix
[06:39] <vzduch> I guess you enabled it yourself, because it's not on by default.. so you gotta know how to disable it again
[06:39] <elite_hacker> i think all the cards i used dont work
[06:40] <vzduch> and no, a firewall is usually no speedbrake
[06:40] <elite_hacker> i my as well buy a creative audigy
[06:40] <elite_hacker> 5.1-7.1 surrond
[06:41] <vzduch> arunkale: either you get something or you get nothing.. speed is not a function of the firewall
[06:41] <seventh> Mind you i have yet to get kubuntu to the net yet
[06:41] <arunkale> vzduch: my azureus has just stopped downloading.. i dont know why.. it doesnt download any torrents any more
[06:41] <elite_hacker> hey if the livecd shows the X symbol on Kmix does that mean for sure that all the sound cards i used are well garbage?
[06:41] <arunkale> and the nat icon is no longer green
[06:42] <elite_hacker> lol ur going to hate me again but whats the line for java6? the whole command line with spelling
[06:43] <elite_hacker> stupid adept wont let me clikc on OKAY* when installing java
[06:43] <tank> ya still no luck...
[06:43] <vzduch> elite_hacker: sudo apt-get install sun-java6-jre
[06:43] <monkeybritches> did you check to see if the soundcards were enabled in the bios setup?
[06:43] <elite_hacker> well i did default setup
[06:44] <elite_hacker> and when it loads to boot it says PnP creative
[06:44] <elite_hacker> so it does read them just that they dont work :(
[06:44] <monkeybritches> they should be, but it's at the hardware level so you'll need to reboot and hit F2 or DEL or whatever key it is to confirm
[06:44] <elite_hacker> i had an emachines and swtiched my parts to an accer mobo but now i dont seem to have sound and the soundcards i tried where known to not work
[06:45] <elite_hacker> yeah its DEL
[06:45] <monkeybritches> Oh, well then they're there, but maybe they're garbage :)
[06:45] <tank> anyone know why a server sitting on my floor wouldnt allow me to ssh into it because the port is closed?
[06:45] <elite_hacker> i know how to do that stuff but HW doesnt last for ever
[06:45] <elite_hacker> yeah
[06:45] <elite_hacker> true
[06:45] <elite_hacker> there like 1997"
[06:45] <elite_hacker> lmao
[06:45] <elite_hacker> ISA network dial-up modem doubbled as a Sound Card o.0
[06:45] <elite_hacker> with the added dust
[06:47] <monkeybritches> did you check the hardware compatibility lists here: http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=135 ?
[06:47] <elite_hacker> um no
[06:47] <elite_hacker> lol they woundlt support my hardware lmao
[06:47] <elite_hacker> its so old
[06:47] <monkeybritches> Couple of threads, pages deep, probably linked to the info you need
[06:47] <elite_hacker> i dont even know what it says on the faded chipsets
[06:47] <elite_hacker> :P
[06:47] <vzduch> as long as it's not ISA hardware, you can list it w/ lspci
[06:48] <monkeybritches> You could probably get working upgrades for free or next to nothing off Craig's List
[06:48] <vzduch> if it's recognized, it's in there
[06:49] <arunkale> aaa sorry wrong window again
[06:49] <elite_hacker> lol who cares u can pickup more advanced hardware in a commmadore than the cards i had to deal with
[06:49] <arunkale> how do i check if a certain port is open through konsole?
[06:49] <Admiral_Chicago> arunkale: you can do telnet localhost port
[06:49] <Admiral_Chicago> iirc
[06:49] <Admiral_Chicago> arunkale: no open network ports by default, remember that
[06:50] <arunkale> Admiral_Chicago: would you care to elaborate?
[06:51] <DaSkreech> tank: can you give me a rundown of what you ahve been doing to the server ?
[06:51] <DaSkreech> arunkale: nmap
[06:52] <DaSkreech> or telnet :)
[06:52] <elite_hacker> konsole is saying i need to do this " dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem." in order to install java
[06:52] <elite_hacker> but i cant
[06:52] <vzduch> ?
[06:52] <elite_hacker> i need to have "superuser" privliaes
[06:52] <Maxdamantus> [16:51:11]   <elite_hacker> konsole is saying i need to do this " dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem." in order to install java
[06:52] <elite_hacker> privillages*
[06:52] <Maxdamantus> Use sudo.
[06:52] <elite_hacker> sudo?
[06:52] <Maxdamantus> sudo <command>
[06:52] <elite_hacker> k
[06:52] <elite_hacker> lol
[06:52] <elite_hacker> duh*
[06:53] <Maxdamantus> And it's dpkg, or whatever program you use that outputs that, not Konsole,.
[06:53] <Maxdamantus> Konsole just reads the STDOUT and STDERR, and writes to the STDIN.
[06:53] <elite_hacker> lol that explains that guys nick name STDIN ** :P
[06:53] <elite_hacker> but i dont get it dpkg?
[06:53] <Maxdamantus> Huh?
[06:53] <elite_hacker> how do i fix adept and dont give me that ! adpet thing
[06:54] <elite_hacker> there is a command line for it
[06:54] <Maxdamantus> sudo dpkg --configure -a
[06:54] <vzduch> omg.. transferring things gotta be difficult this morning.. 'sud dpkg --configure -a'
[06:54] <Maxdamantus> ! adpet thing?
[06:54] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about adpet thing? - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:54] <elite_hacker> thanks
[06:54] <elite_hacker> yeah when i ask for help and ppl know but they like to use the ubotu instead of there brain
[06:54] <elite_hacker> !adept|fix
[06:54] <ubotu> fix: adept is the Kubuntu package manager. Howto: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AdeptHowto
[06:54] <Maxdamantus> Aw, damn, Kate crashed.
[06:55] <Maxdamantus> While trying to read a 67mb file of ascii0s.
[06:55] <vzduch> o0
[06:55] <elite_hacker> wow 93mb for java?
[06:55] <elite_hacker> jeEz i didnt know it was that much?
[06:55] <Maxdamantus> elite_hacker, that's probably the JDK.
[06:56] <elite_hacker> yeah i think
[06:56] <elite_hacker> lol my real name is elite101 lol i had to change it for channel reasons
[06:56] <elite_hacker> but im going to change it back
[06:56] <elite_hacker> 1min
[06:57] <elite_101> opps lol
[06:57] <elite101> there
[07:00] <DaSkreech> elite101: Fix what about adept?
[07:01] <elite101> nm
[07:01] <elite101> i got it
[07:02] <elite101> just that i closed adept when it was stuck on installing java but since u cant select <ok> it wont go past that so i closed it and it woudlnt work in console so i fixed it with some help
[07:02] <elite101> lol saved by the bell?
[07:02] <elite101> DaSkreech, Saved By the Bell?
[07:03] <elite101> ur nick
[07:03] <DaSkreech> Yah
[07:03] <elite101> lol
[07:03] <elite101> i watch that its on now. my mom use to watch it like when they where in grade school.
[07:03] <elite101> :P
[07:04] <DaSkreech> Ha ha :)
[07:04] <elite101> is there a website or something where i can download Splash boot screen? any packages i can get that change the startup screen and boot screen
[07:04] <elite101> i wanna get something else thats dark and not so blue and white
[07:05] <elite101> like black/grey/silver colour sheme
[07:05] <Ahmuck> i'v decided to buy a wireless pcmcia nic for this computer rather than trying to fight getting the internal wireless to work.  where would i find a list of "compatable" cards?
[07:06] <DaSkreech> kde-look.org
[07:07] <DaSkreech> Ahmuck: That's for elite101 Btw
[07:07] <DaSkreech> I'm not sure where the list of Wifi cards aer
[07:07] <DaSkreech> are
[07:07] <Ahmuck> DaSkreech: ?
[07:07] <Ahmuck> oh, ok
[07:08] <elite101> cant u just boot uplive cd and see if it works?
[07:08] <elite101> lol sorry
[07:08] <elite101> thats bumb
[07:08] <elite101> cuz u need to buy it first
[07:08] <DaSkreech> Yeah unless he carries the Cd to the store
[07:08] <elite101> 75%chance it will work off the batt, 25% if it doesnt use Ndiswrapper
[07:09] <DaSkreech> Which is what I do but sitting at nice cool home in a nice big chair with fast net is so much nicer
[07:09] <elite101> or ask someone if its linux friendly?
[07:09] <DaSkreech> MMMM Ice cream
[07:09] <elite101> !ndiswrapper
[07:09] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[07:09] <elite101> :P
[07:10] <elite101> lol i wouldnt mind a vista theme for kubuntu (good thing is that it doesn come with the virus's and 4gb needed ram :P)
[07:10] <DaSkreech> elite101: hundreds on kde-look
[07:10] <DaSkreech>  for some reason it's the most popular theme
[07:11] <elite101> yeah
[07:11] <DaSkreech> followed quickly by mac OSX themes
[07:11] <elite101> so it looks like u spent 300$ on a system
[07:11] <elite101> yeah
[07:11] <elite101> lots of them
[07:11] <elite101> well are the "themes" safe?
[07:11] <DaSkreech> Sorry?
[07:11] <elite101> what happens if they install worng?
[07:11] <elite101> wrong*
[07:11] <DaSkreech> You mean do they come with viruses
[07:11] <elite101> no
[07:11] <DaSkreech>  and need 4 GB of ram
[07:12] <DaSkreech>  Yes
[07:12] <DaSkreech>  yes they do
[07:12] <elite101> yea rite
[07:12] <elite101> ahh
[07:12] <elite101> i have only 256 :(
[07:12] <elite101> no i mean if u install it wrong u can screw up the desktop and stuff
[07:12] <DaSkreech> If they install wrong they make your screen look funky till you click back on good old Kubuntu defaults
[07:12] <elite101> lol
[07:13] <|TroubleMaker|> i am setting up a home network and want my wife to beable to share her files from her /home directory on this machine with her xp machine. is samba the only thing i need to install and configure to acomplish this aside from ofcourse the networking hardware
[07:13] <Daisuke_Ido> good morning, fellow ubuntians
[07:14] <elite101> how u spell temputure?
[07:14] <Daisuke_Ido> |TroubleMaker|: for simple sharing, yes, samba is what you will need
[07:14] <Daisuke_Ido> temperature
[07:14] <elite101> lol im a dummmy
[07:15] <|TroubleMaker|> thanks, just wanted to make sure that i didnt need anything else installed...and simple file share is all she will need to do (move her docs from one to the other and so forth)
[07:16] <Daisuke_Ido> |TroubleMaker|: check the howtos on the ubuntu site for how to set it up
[07:16] <|TroubleMaker|> k thanks
[07:17] <DaSkreech> !samba
[07:17] <ubotu> samba is is the way to cooperate with Windows environments. Links with more info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently and http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/windows-networking.html - Samba can be administered via the web with SWAT
[07:17] <DaSkreech> Second Link I think
[07:18] <Daisuke_Ido> leave it to others to one-up me :)  good thing he's around, i completely blanked on just using the bot
[07:18] <|TroubleMaker|> <--------------------- should have thought about askin the bot himself
[07:18] <|TroubleMaker|> so dont feel totally bad
[07:20] <DaSkreech> There is a bot?
[07:20] <DaSkreech> :-)
[07:21] <level1__> hmmm... how long should a new install of kubuntu take before it starts displaying something to the screen?
[07:22] <Daisuke_Ido> five, six....  days
[07:22] <DaSkreech> level1__: as much as your paitence
[07:22] <level1__> its been booting for about a minute now, accessing the hard drive, and it hasn't put anything on the screen yet
[07:22] <klobster> depends on if you are using dialup to ftp the packages
[07:22] <Daisuke_Ido> only a minute?
[07:22] <level1__> Daisuke_Ido: lol
[07:22] <klobster> level1__: hit ctrl-alt-f1 and see what it says
[07:23] <Daisuke_Ido> chances are it's doing disk checking.  could take five to ten minutes possibly.  probably not, but it's possible
[07:23] <Ahmuck> !multiverse
[07:23] <ubotu> The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[07:23] <level1__> klobster: I can't seem to switch to the vt
[07:23] <Daisuke_Ido> ctrl-alt-f8 maybe
[07:23] <klobster> ctrl-alt-del maybe ; 0
[07:23] <Daisuke_Ido> sometimes i have to go there before i can get to tty1
[07:23] <level1__> Daisuke_Ido: I just had a major headache trying to get raid 5 setup.  I thought I was done, maybe not
[07:24] <Daisuke_Ido> ah
[07:24] <Daisuke_Ido> yeah, that just went WAY above my head.  i will say good luck, and be on my merry way
[07:24] <level1__> you know, you'd think when a motherboard manufacturer advertises that their motherboard has a raid controller, that it would actually do work
[07:24] <level1__> as opposed to, you know, telling windows to do work
[07:25] <level1__> apparently, asus just writes windows a note, saying "make sure to set up raid kthx"
[07:25] <Codyman> i just installed the nvidia-glx package, ran a dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg and now it refuses to start saying that I have no screens found and a parse error on line 82 which is "subsection"
[07:26] <DaSkreech> level1__: Ha ha :)
[07:26] <level1__> DaSkreech: its not very funny when a 2000$ computer is harder to use than a 500$ computer
[07:26] <Daisuke_Ido> that doesn't sound good
[07:26] <level1__> DaSkreech: next time I'm going to buy the cheapest toshiba I can find
[07:27] <DaSkreech> level1__: What's the Raid Chipset?
[07:27] <level1__> DaSkreech: its called Chipset "Lets pretend I'm an actually raid controller"
[07:28] <DaSkreech> Sounds good
[07:28] <level1__> JMicron JMB363
[07:28] <dmuser> Can anyone tell me how to emerge SDL?
[07:28] <level1__> if my "JMicron" raid controller doesn't actually do raid, what does it do?
[07:29] <level1__> does it host yoga classes?
[07:29] <level1__> does it manage the blinking on VCR clocks?
[07:29] <DaSkreech> dmuser: Wrong chan?
[07:29] <klobster> not at my gym, but my GF mentioned a j someone
[07:29] <DaSkreech> !doesn't work
[07:29] <ubotu> Doesn't work is a strong statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Is it on IRC all the time? Please be specific! Examples of what doesn't work tend to help too.
[07:29] <dmuser> DaSkreech:  Maybe my question should have been, how do I install an rpm file in Kubuntu?
[07:29] <|TroubleMaker|> you found the controller that manages the blinking on VCR clocks??? can you ask it to make mine stop?
[07:30] <DaSkreech> dmuser: which RPM?
[07:30] <klobster> apt-get install alien
[07:30] <DaSkreech> klobster: Sush
[07:30] <dmuser> DaSkreech: SDL-1.2.12-1.i386.rpm
[07:30] <DaSkreech> !info sdl
[07:30] <ubotu> Package sdl does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas
[07:31] <DaSkreech> !sdl
[07:31] <level1__> my computer is still accessing the hard drive, so i guess I force reboot it now
[07:31] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about sdl - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:31] <DaSkreech> bah
[07:31] <klobster> !libsdl
[07:31] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about libsdl - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:32] <DaSkreech> dmuser: What are you trying to get running ?
[07:32] <dmuser> A linux port of Duke Nukem 3D :P
[07:33] <level1__> what is the "ro" for on grub menu options?
[07:33] <level1__> its a kernel option
[07:33] <klobster> info libsdl1.2-dev
[07:33] <DaSkreech> dmuser: Sweet
[07:34] <DaSkreech> dmuser: Which SLD does it use?
[07:34] <DaSkreech> SDL
[07:34] <dmuser> 1.2 and SDL mixer
[07:34] <DaSkreech> Ok
[07:35] <DaSkreech> !info libsdl1.2debian
[07:35] <ubotu> libsdl1.2debian: Simple DirectMedia Layer. In component main, is optional. Version 1.2.11-7ubuntu1 (feisty), package size 21 kB, installed size 60 kB
[07:35] <DaSkreech> You need that
[07:35] <dmuser> "sudo apt-get install libsdl1.2debian" ?
[07:35] <DaSkreech>  Yup
[07:36] <DaSkreech> !info libsdl-mixer1.2
[07:36] <ubotu> libsdl-mixer1.2: mixer library for Simple DirectMedia Layer 1.2. In component main, is optional. Version 1.2.6-1.1build1 (feisty), package size 132 kB, installed size 332 kB
[07:36] <DaSkreech> and that
[07:37] <level1__> hmmm... my wireless card doesn't even seem to appear on lspc9i
[07:37] <DaSkreech> Sorry should have just made you do both of them the same time
[07:37] <level1__> btw, I got to kde, so i guess, thats went well
[07:37] <DaSkreech> level1__: Great :)
[07:38] <level1__> okay, so I got this wireless card because my mother board didn't come with wireless.  But it doesn't seem to show up on lspci.  Is it possible its physically dislodged of physically broken?
[07:38] <level1__> I mean, if the device could be recognized, something would show up, right?
[07:39] <level1__> its about a year old. I don't really remember who made it
[07:39] <DaSkreech> phoenixz: how goes?
[07:39] <DaSkreech> !wifi
[07:39] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[07:40] <DaSkreech> that should help with the digging
[07:41] <Codyman> does anyone know why I can't startx... it says that "subsection" is not a valid keyword
[07:42] <DaSkreech> Ha ha
[07:42] <DaSkreech> Codyman: Played with your xorg.conf ?
[07:42] <|TroubleMaker|> ok an apt-cache search on samba shows only the samba-client samba-common and kdenetwork-filesharing (the howto was for dapper and says to "install samba using apt-get install samba witch doesnt appear to be a package listed for fiesty)
[07:42] <Codyman> DaKreech: installed nvidia-glx and then dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg 'ed it
[07:42] <DaSkreech> !info samba
[07:42] <ubotu> samba: a LanManager-like file and printer server for Unix. In component main, is optional. Version 3.0.24-2ubuntu1.2 (feisty), package size 3262 kB, installed size 7992 kB
[07:42] <DaSkreech> |TroubleMaker|: it's there
[07:43] <DaSkreech> Codyman: Hmm sounds like something is wrong there then
[07:43] <Codyman> DaSkreech: Its referring to line 83.. so I go down there and its way it starts the subsection for display... the line goes: SubSection "Display" and its for the 1 bit depth...
[07:44] <Codyman> DaSkreech: and reconfiguring for "nv" or "vesa" gives same error
[07:44] <DaSkreech> Codyman: Does anywhere else say Subsection ?
[07:45] <DaSkreech> Cause I'm pretty sure that should say Section
[07:45] <DaSkreech> Oh wait
[07:45] <DaSkreech>  no
[07:45] <DaSkreech>  SubSection
[07:45] <DaSkreech> Yeah that's right
[07:46] <DaSkreech> Yeah that's right
[07:46] <klobster> !quotes
[07:46] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about quotes - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:46] <phoenixz> DaSkreech, with Beryl / Compiz you mean?
[07:46] <DaSkreech> What's the line above
[07:46] <DaSkreech> phoenixz: yeah
[07:47] <phoenixz> DaSkreech, I find beryl to be faster... supposedly this is because of a hack, but who cares if the end result is so much more.. :) My computer simply isnt fast enough for Compiz and Beryl can give cools stuff with little CPU power
[07:47] <Codyman> DaSkreech: it goes:
[07:48] <Codyman> Subsection "Display" --> new line: Depth 1 ---> new line Subsection "Display" --> new line Modes ---> new line EndSubSection ... then repeats for other depths
[07:48] <DaSkreech> Really?
[07:48] <DaSkreech> that's not right
[07:48] <DaSkreech> There are no modes?
[07:49] <Codyman> there are modes
[07:49] <DaSkreech> no
[07:49] <Codyman> on the modes line are resolutions
[07:49] <DaSkreech> There is modes for a new subsection
[07:49] <DaSkreech> there is no EndSubSection for the First one
[07:49] <DaSkreech> count up the Subsection and end subsections
[07:49] <DaSkreech> they should be equal
[07:50] <Codyman> ok... yeah... I think I found a bug in tribes3 then...
[07:50] <DaSkreech> Codyman: Whoot!
[07:50] <DaSkreech> THat will go against bulletProox X
[07:51] <josue> hola
[07:52] <josue> mmmhh
[07:53] <DaSkreech> Codyman: got it fixed ?
[07:53] <Codyman> DaSkreech: BINGO... got it... startx is working... after SubSection for depth, no EndSubSection is put down before the new SubSection for modes....
[07:53] <DaSkreech> Exactly
[07:53] <DaSkreech> well bug it
[07:53] <DaSkreech> !bug
[07:53] <ubotu> If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug report at: http://bugs.ubuntu.com/  -  Bugs in/wishes for the bots can be filed at http://launchpad.net/products/ubuntu-bots
[07:54] <DaSkreech> though it's honestly probably fixed aleady
[07:54] <josue> m,m
[07:54] <Codyman> DaSkreech: Yeah, I'll look around and see if its filed... but at least it was an easy fix
[07:54] <josue> mexico??
[07:54] <DaSkreech> Codyman: bugs.ubuntu will tell you
[07:54] <DaSkreech> !es
[07:54] <ubotu> Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[07:55] <DaSkreech> mexico does speak spanish last time I recalled
[07:55] <DaSkreech> .o0(I'ts late leave me alone)
[07:55] <DaSkreech> Night all
[07:55] <DaSkreech> josue: Ok?
[07:56] <Noldoaran> how can I get the 'write' and 'wall' commands to work?
[07:56] <dmuser> Ugh.  I can't remember the command to install a .deb file
[07:56] <Noldoaran> dmuser: sudo dpkg -i packagename
[07:57] <dmuser> Noldoaran:  Thanks
[07:57] <Noldoaran> No problem
[08:04] <belred> has anyone installed phpbb or usebb on kubuntu? any preference?
[08:05] <nzk> Can Kaffiene use subtitles?
[08:06] <DaSkreech> nzk: I think
[08:06] <DaSkreech> belred: What's usebb?
[08:06] <nzk> How do I specify where the .srt title is?
[08:06] <nzk> I am watching a foreign po...movie and I want to add the subtitles.
[08:07] <SonhadorPR> dude...porn is porn....oohh, ahhh, is all the same!!!
[08:07] <belred> DaSkreech: looks like it competes with phpbb... http://www.usebb.net/
[08:07] <sickb0y> So you can rude the clever dialogue, and be moved by it?
[08:07] <sickb0y> err, read
[08:07] <nzk> Damn you humorless people
[08:07] <nzk> It's a joke
[08:07] <sickb0y> :)
[08:08] <SonhadorPR> hehehehe
[08:08] <sickb0y> Keep the .srt file in the same location as the movie
[08:08] <nzk> It is.
[08:08] <Codyman> DaSkreech: sweet 3d is working now... question though... I notice 3d is rendering fine/fast on my 5500fx... but 2d stuff such as loading new windows / opening / closing / maximizing windows seems to lag a bit sometimes... just overall not too snappy when it comes to 2d.. any suggestions?
[08:08] <sickb0y> Hmm...
[08:09] <nzk> Drag and dropping the .srt into the kaffiene window will seemingly crash it
[08:10] <nzk> Can VLC play .mkv?
[08:11] <nzk> No effin' way.
[08:11] <nzk> VLC did it.
[08:11] <nzk> Screw Kaffiene
[08:11] <DaSkreech> :-)
[08:11] <DaSkreech> kaffeinfe has a subtitle section in settings i think
[08:11] <SonhadorPR> Is anyone having problems connecting to IRC using chatzilla(firefox app), X-Chat, KSIRC, or any other app, other than Konversation?
[08:12] <lockd> SonhadorPR: I'm on windows but using irssi
[08:12] <ron7909> hi, looking for a little help with Ubuntu Server
[08:12] <SonhadorPR> I mean on ubuntu or Kubuntu?
[08:13] <nzk> I hope my wireless connection won't lag trying to stream a legally obtained 1080p movie
[08:13] <sickb0y> VLC rocks
[08:13] <nzk> SonhadorPR: eye argh ess ess eye
[08:13] <lockd> SonhadorPR: putty to ubuntu box, have no problems
[08:13] <ron7909> anyone familiar with installing/configuring Ubuntu Server and willing to help a new user?
[08:14] <nzk> ron7909: State your problem to nzk.
[08:14] <SonhadorPR> see the thing is that none of the ones Ive mentiones, except Konversation...is connecting...and...Konversation only connects to freenode, not any ohter
[08:14] <ron7909> It's silly really
[08:14] <nzk> SonhadorPR: PEBKAC
[08:14] <ron7909> I just installed on my x86 box
[08:14] <ron7909> and when it reboots
[08:14] <lockd> sickb0y: yeah, vlc is nice.. how's it stack up against mplayer?
[08:14] <SonhadorPR> I think theres something wrong in the FireWall or something...I dont know how to make them connect...
[08:14] <ron7909> I have no GUI to login
[08:14] <ron7909> just a command line
[08:14] <nzk> ron7909: I don't believe such an obscure architecture is supported
[08:15] <nzk> ron7909: that's not an error
[08:15] <nzk> you don't need a GUI
[08:15] <ron7909> is there no GUI for the server edition?
[08:15] <sickb0y> I prefer VLC
[08:15] <nzk> Why would a server waste RAM and CPU cycles on a GUI?
[08:15] <nzk> not to mention most servers are headless (no videocard_
[08:15] <nzk> s/_/)
[08:15] <lockd> ron7909: you must be mistaking X server for "web/etc" server
[08:15] <ron7909> I am not familiar with setting up shares and such in the command line
[08:15] <DaSkreech> ron7909: no there isn't
[08:15] <nzk> ron7909: Set up SSH
[08:16] <DaSkreech> ron7909: that's why we are here to help
[08:16] <nzk> forward your ports
[08:16] <DaSkreech> ron7909: are you in irc from the command line?
[08:16] <ron7909> using another machine
[08:16] <nzk> SonhadorPR: it's some sort os user error
[08:16] <level1__> Hi, I'm trying to run adept, and everytime I do, after I type in my passwork, it says "conversation with su failed"
[08:16] <nzk> ron7909: just install SSH on the server
[08:16] <nzk> then tuck it away somewhere
[08:16] <nzk> And configure it from the machine you're on
[08:17] <ron7909> can i find docs on using installing SSH with the command line on the Ubuntu site?
[08:17] <lockd> ron7909: what os is the machine you are on?
[08:17] <arun> anyone here use bittornado?
[08:17] <nzk> Who cares, all support SSH
[08:17] <ron7909> I am using YDL on a G4 Cube
[08:17] <drgeb> hi
[08:17] <nzk> arun: You know that program has a tracking bug in it?
[08:17] <nzk> The RIAA and MPAA know where you are
[08:17] <DaSkreech> ron7909: is it on the net?
[08:17] <arun> ah
[08:17] <drgeb> everytime I reboot my fdisk -l looks different how can I fix this
[08:17] <nzk> Not to mention it's a ghastly windows program, not at all supported by KDE
[08:18] <DaSkreech> arun: Ktorrent?
[08:18] <arun> i dont use it, was going to though. thanks for the warning
[08:18] <nzk> utorrent 1.6.1 or less
[08:18] <SonhadorPR> ok I just installed the IRSSI...let me go see if it works
[08:18] <ron7909> are you asking if it has internet access?
[08:18] <ron7909> "on the net"?
[08:18] <nzk> On the NETwork
[08:18] <nzk> Doi
[08:18] <ron7909> yes
[08:18] <ron7909> it is on the net
[08:18] <nzk> The interNET or NETwork?
[08:19] <nzk> You have to be specific
[08:19] <ron7909> both
[08:19] <arun> one of the torrents i am downloading *has* to be downloaded using either azureus or bittornado. i've been downloading it using azureus, but it's been stuck for a week now. no progress. speeds were fine before that. i was just wondering if i used bittornado, would it be able to continue from where azureus left off
[08:19] <ron7909> I can check the local ip
[08:19] <nzk> arun: Yes, but don't bother. Az you can trust as it's FOSS, but Bittornado is very shady
[08:19] <arun> ah
[08:19] <arun> i won't install bittornado then
[08:20] <nzk> Do you have seeders on it?
[08:20] <arun> yes it shows seeders, but i cant download from any of them
[08:20] <nzk> Muck around in the settings, make sure ports are forwarded, #azureus, etc.
[08:20] <arun> it was working great until about a week ago
[08:20] <arun> i didnt change anything
[08:20] <nzk> If that doesn't work, then just modify something to spoof Az peer_id
[08:20] <arun> nzk: what do you mean
[08:20] <nzk> arun: Just go to Az's channel and ask them, they can help better than us
[08:20] <ron7909> maybe I am a bit too inexperienced to use Ubuntu Server
[08:21] <ron7909> I was trying it as an alternative to Windows 2000 Server
[08:21] <arun> nzk: thanks
[08:21] <nzk> arun: the peer_id is the thing ("Azureus 1.3.6") that identifies the client to the tracker, but you can change that (I think) in other OSS clients, but I doubt that it will help
[08:21] <nzk> ron7909: Everyone was a noob at one point
[08:22] <arun> nzk: any idea how to change the peer_id in ktorrent?
[08:22] <nzk> if you give up just because something is too difficult then you will never learn
[08:22] <nzk> arun: ask them, not me
[08:22] <ron7909> yeah, but i don't want to waste anyone's time or frustrate them with my lack of command line knowledge
[08:22] <SonhadorPR> okthe IRSSI is not connecting to any servers....
[08:22] <SonhadorPR> neither is THIS konversation connecting to any DalNet servers
[08:22] <nzk> SonhadorPR: type /server irc.xxx.xxx
[08:22] <nzk> or /connect
[08:22] <arun> alright, thanks for your help
[08:22] <nzk> Actually, go into #irssi
[08:23] <SonhadorPR> its not connecting....
[08:23] <nzk> Ask them, they can help more than I
[08:23] <nzk> SonhadorPR: ask #irssi.
[08:23] <level1__> theres something wrong with my kdesu. I just installed today, and everytime I try to do something that requires kdesu, it says "Conversation with su failed"
[08:23] <nzk> level1__: Last time it was adept
[08:23] <nzk> Make up your mind
[08:23] <level1__> nzk: well, you cant run adept without kdesu
[08:24] <nzk> Duh
[08:24] <level1__> nzk: and at the time, adept was the only program I had tried
[08:24] <level1__> nzk: listen, bud
[08:24] <nzk> If you're about to be rude I'd recommend against it
[08:24] <level1__> nzk: obviously, I figured out in the last few minutes that kdesu was the problem
[08:24] <level1__> nzk: why?  what are you going to do to me? your alread being rude
[08:25] <lockd> your scaring me about switching to kubuntu..
[08:25] <level1__> lockd: usually, people are more freindly than nzk
[08:25] <nzk> I am friendly, chief.
[08:26] <lockd> does kubuntu use network-manager?
[08:26] <lockd> if I can set up my keychain pam I'm happy
[08:26] <DaSkreech> ron7909:
[08:26] <nzk> I think so, it sounds familiar
[08:26] <DaSkreech> on the server type sudo apt-get install irssi
[08:27] <DaSkreech> lockd: yup
[08:27] <nzk> ron7909: sudo means "super user do" which lets you run one command as a super user, or root, or admin. Apt is the package manager for *buntu and the way to download is apt-get. To install the program you type apt-get install, and then the program name.
[08:27] <lockd> DaSkreech: thanks
[08:28] <lockd> you mean 'sudo apt-get install' right? no root login by default
[08:28] <lockd> or does server edition enable that?
[08:29] <DaSkreech> no root login
[08:30] <DaSkreech> ron7909: Gone?
[08:31] <DaSkreech> level1__: How are you running KDEsu ?
[08:31] <ron7909> here
[08:31] <ron7909> trying to install ssh
[08:32] <ron7909> won't recognize the "gedit" command
[08:32] <DaSkreech> ron7909: ha ha try nano
[08:32] <ron7909> used this: # sudo apt-get install openssh-server
[08:32] <ron7909> went okay
[08:32] <DaSkreech> ron7909: try sudo apt-get install irssi
[08:33] <ron7909> but when using this: # sudo gedit /etc/ssh/sshd_config
[08:33] <ron7909> it wouldn't go
[08:33] <DaSkreech> ron7909: use nano instead of gedit
[08:33] <lockd> ron7909: there's no gedit on a non graphical system
[08:33] <lockd> DaSkreech: beat me to it
[08:33] <ron7909> I will try package irssi has no installation candidate
[08:34] <ron7909> okay
[08:34] <DaSkreech> ron7909: duh :)
[08:34] <DaSkreech> ok do your nano thing first
[08:34] <ron7909> k
[08:34] <DaSkreech> ping me when you are done
[08:34] <DaSkreech>  I'm going in 10 minutes so I'm going to get you as much help as possible
[08:35] <ron7909> thanks
[08:35] <ron7909> whoa
[08:35] <DaSkreech> ron7909: The instructions at the bottom of nano are ^X
[08:35] <ron7909> got a whole bunch of info after the nano command
[08:35] <DaSkreech> ^O
[08:35] <DaSkreech> the ^ means ctrl
[08:35] <ron7909> yeah
[08:36] <ron7909> I see all of this
[08:36] <DaSkreech> So that's Ctrl+X
[08:36] <ron7909> k
[08:37] <ron7909> where do i start with these commands?
[08:37] <ron7909> am I modifying the previous text with it?
[08:37] <DaSkreech> ron7909: the nano commands?
[08:37] <DaSkreech> ron7909: you type and do what you like
[08:37] <ron7909> talks about listening on port 22
[08:37] <ron7909> listen address
[08:37] <DaSkreech> ron7909: What are you trying to do
[08:38] <ron7909> enable ssh to setup shares
[08:38] <ron7909> since I have no GUI
[08:38] <DaSkreech> ron7909: You did apt-get install openssh-server
[08:38] <ron7909> from the same machine?
[08:38] <DaSkreech> On the server
[08:39] <level1__> Hi, what is the kde equivelent to the "restricted drivers manager" in gnome?
[08:39] <ron7909> I am entering all of the commands on the server machine
[08:39] <DaSkreech> level1__: I think it is the restricted drivers manager
[08:39] <level1__> in otherwords, how do I enable restricted devices in kubuntu
[08:39] <level1__> DaSkreech: well, how do I run it?
[08:39] <DaSkreech> ron7909: wel then ssh server is already setup to listen on port 22
[08:39] <DaSkreech> level1__: it's not installed by default
[08:39] <ron7909> so i can login from another machine?
[08:40] <DaSkreech> ron7909: yes
[08:40] <DaSkreech> level1__: sudo apt-get install restricted-manager
[08:40] <DaSkreech> ron7909: Ok
[08:41] <DaSkreech> is it a hassle to work from the server ?
[08:41] <ron7909> no
[08:41] <ron7909> I am just not very comfy with command line
[08:41] <ron7909>  this is new territory for me
[08:41] <DaSkreech> ron7909: On the server try sudo apt-get install irssi
[08:41] <DaSkreech> ron7909: I know it's strange for a while :)
[08:41] <ron7909> k
[08:41] <arun> can anyone tell me how to get that big analog clock to show up on my desktop
[08:42] <DaSkreech> ron7909: If you are on tomorrow I can teach you a bunch of things to help
[08:42] <ron7909> when I type, it is going right into the previous text
[08:42] <DaSkreech> arun: Where did  you see said big analog clock ?
[08:42] <DaSkreech> ron7909: did you leave nano ?
[08:42] <ron7909> it says # Package generated configuration file
[08:42] <DaSkreech> >_<
[08:42] <lockd> ron7909: I use command line for most stuff now, but not familiar with server configs
[08:42] <DaSkreech> ron7909: press Ctrl+X
[08:43] <ron7909> okay
[08:43] <ron7909> so exit nano
[08:43] <DaSkreech> It will ask you to save. Say no
[08:43] <DaSkreech> Yes
[08:43] <ron7909> still says irssi has no installation candidate
[08:44] <DaSkreech> right right
[08:44] <DaSkreech> sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list
[08:44] <arun> DaSkreech: i think it's a widget of some sort
[08:44] <DaSkreech> arun: Duh :) where did you see it
[08:45] <DaSkreech> ron7909:  you are looking for a line that looks like deb http://jm.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ feisty universe
[08:45] <ron7909> i got that
[08:45] <DaSkreech> It will have a # in front of it
[08:45] <ron7909> but it is breezy badger
[08:45] <arun> DaSkreech: I saw it in some screenshots on kde-look.org
[08:45] <DaSkreech> remove the #
[08:45] <curtis_> hello everyone
[08:45] <curtis_> i just turned on my pc and started browsing the net where i found my connection is extremly low! i looked into firestarter active connections to see whts going on i found 2 sites downloading and using up most of my bandwidth.. these 2 sites are "auckland.ubuntu.com & leningradskaya.canonical.com "
[08:46] <DaSkreech> You can add a space and the word multiverse at the end of the line
[08:46] <DaSkreech> ron7909: Exit and save
[08:46] <DaSkreech> arun: Give me the URL
[08:46] <curtis_> anyone could help me out with this! am i cracked!
[08:46] <DaSkreech> ron7909: That's fine
[08:47] <DaSkreech> ron7909: exited and saved after removing the # ?
[08:47] <arun> I think it was superkaramba or something like that
[08:47] <ron7909> file name to write /etc/apt.sources.list?
[08:48] <ron7909> that is what I have after removing the #
[08:48] <ron7909> and selecting Y to save
[08:48] <DaSkreech> ron7909: not /etc/apt/sources.list ?
[08:48] <DaSkreech> there are three / right
[08:48] <sickb0y> probably just downloading updates
[08:48] <ron7909> oops
[08:48] <DaSkreech> arun: then get superkaramba
[08:48] <ron7909> you are right
[08:49] <DaSkreech> ok that's right
[08:49] <ron7909> so i hit "eneter"?
[08:49] <ron7909> enter\
[08:49] <DaSkreech> Yes
[08:49] <ron7909> wrote 37 lines
[08:49] <DaSkreech> cool
[08:50] <DaSkreech> sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install irssi
[08:50] <DaSkreech> that should get you a long list of things server type things downloading
[08:50] <DaSkreech> ron7909: You are familar with repos ?
[08:51] <ron7909> failed to fetch one
[08:51] <DaSkreech> ron7909: Hmm
[08:51] <ron7909> I am not, sry
[08:51] <DaSkreech> Which one?
[08:51] <nzk> sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install && sudo apt-get autoremove && sudo apt-get autoclean && sudo apt-get install irssi
[08:51] <DaSkreech> ron7909: Ok there are essentially Free software and none free software
[08:52] <DaSkreech> ron7909: so they are separated
[08:52] <nzk> Non free is ones that are free
[08:52] <nzk> as in beer
[08:52] <ron7909> archive.ubuntu.com.ubuntu/dists/breezy/universe/source/sources.gz
[08:52] <nzk> but not free as in cognac
[08:52] <ron7909> 404 not found
[08:52] <nzk> Understand?
[08:52] <DaSkreech> ron7909: there is also supported software and none supportes
[08:52] <nzk> Breezy is mad old
[08:52] <ron7909> k
[08:52] <nzk> Feisty is what you need
[08:53] <ron7909> I did not see a feisty Server Edition
[08:53] <ron7909> so i used breezy
[08:53] <nzk> ...
[08:53] <nzk> Install Feisty
[08:53] <nzk> From ubuntu.com
[08:53] <ron7909> alright
[08:53] <DaSkreech> ron7909: so there are 4 types of software free/supported, free/not supported, non free/supported and non free/not supported
[08:53] <ron7909> I will look
[08:53] <nzk> Breezy is like, 2 years old
[08:53] <ron7909> right
[08:54] <DaSkreech> ron7909: want the link to the feisty server ediotion ?
[08:54] <ron7909> daskreech: I'm with ya
[08:54] <DaSkreech> edition even
[08:54] <nzk> DaSkreech: why not give him the Hasty server edition?
[08:54] <DaSkreech> nzk: Quiet you :)
[08:54] <ron7909> is ediotion unsupported?
[08:54] <ron7909> and editoin supported?
[08:55] <nzk> Yes
[08:55] <ron7909> oops, edition
[08:55] <ron7909> heh heh
[08:55] <nzk> Only Edition is supported
[08:55] <ron7909> right
[08:55] <DaSkreech> ron7909: what I just did with Universe is added free unsupported software
[08:55] <DaSkreech> nzk: Please be quiet if you are not being helpful
[08:55] <matthew> hi everyone, i have a question about kaffeine codecs if anyone can help
[08:55] <nzk> Breezy stopped being supported
[08:55] <DaSkreech> ron7909: Do you want the link to the Feisty Server CD?
[08:55] <nzk> DaSkreech: Hasty Hare is the newest edition, is it not?
[08:56] <ron7909> I am looking at the site now
[08:56] <ron7909> 7.04 is feisty, no?
[08:56] <nzk> Argh, nevermind
[08:56] <nzk> ron7909: Yes.
[08:56] <DaSkreech> nzk: yes but edition is not a type of ubunut and there is no hasty hare
[08:56] <DaSkreech> ron7909: yes
[08:56] <xevious> ack.
[08:56] <nzk> DaSkreech: "release"?
[08:56] <xevious> irc client being weird
[08:56] <nzk> "version"?
[08:56] <ron7909> hasty hare.  nice
[08:56] <DaSkreech> nzk: Ok :)
[08:56] <xevious> i'm trying to install Adaptec Storage Manager in kubuntu. Adaptec Storage Manager is prebuild for Redhat EL and SuSE Professional/Enterprise.  I converted the rpm to a tgz, and i've gotten the GUI to run, but the daemon has some precompiled libraries that depend on libstdc++-6.1-1.so.2, whereas my system has libstdc++.so.6.0.8. it loads up, but thinks my system doesn't have the raid controller. is it possible to relink it to the libstdc+
[08:56] <xevious>  the version that it's expecting and install that too?
[08:56] <DaSkreech> ron7909: I know it's amusing but confusing right now :)
[08:57] <nzk> xevious: Yes/
[08:57] <xevious> nzk: grab the rpm?
[08:57] <ron7909> right
[08:57] <ron7909> if i d-load 7.04
[08:57] <DaSkreech> xevious: which version of Ubuntu are you running ?
[08:57] <nzk> xevious: Whatever floats your boat, I'm not the one to ask this to.
[08:57] <ron7909> will it have client and server editions in one?
[08:57] <nzk> ron7909: dupload?
[08:57] <ron7909> like breezy?
[08:57] <xevious> DaSkreech: kubuntu feisty fawn
[08:58] <nzk> Just download it
[08:58] <ron7909> d-load
[08:58] <nzk> Download
[08:58] <nzk> DL or Download.
[08:58] <nzk> Not d-load. the hyphen can be a wildcard and can confurse others
[08:58] <ron7909> k
[08:58] <DaSkreech> ron7909: http://releases.ubuntu.com/feisty/ubuntu-7.04-server-i386.iso
[08:59] <tmske_> Hi, I want to update kubuntu to gutsy with update-manager -c -d, but I don't see an option to upgrade to gutsy, any ideas?
[08:59] <DaSkreech> ron7909: Ok can you press up on the server till you see the sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install irrsi command again ?
[08:59] <DaSkreech> while you download this new server :)
[09:00] <ron7909> k
[09:00] <ron7909> yes, i can
[09:00] <DaSkreech> ron7909: let me know if that package fails again
[09:01] <ron7909> failed
[09:01] <DaSkreech> does it say archive.ubuntu.com.ubuntu  ?
[09:01] <ron7909> yes
[09:02] <DaSkreech> Hmm
[09:02] <ron7909> then /diss/breezy/universe/sources/sources.gz
[09:02] <DaSkreech> press up to go back to the nano /etc/apt/sources.list command
[09:02] <xevious> DaSkreech: do you know if libstdc++ is the same as libstdc++-2?
[09:02] <ron7909> dists
[09:02] <ron7909> missed a t
[09:02] <DaSkreech> Figured
[09:02] <DaSkreech> ron7909: Look at the universe line and tell me if it says ubuntu.com.ubuntu
[09:03] <DaSkreech> xevious: as far as I know libstdc++ is always the newest one whereas those with numbers are the respective releases
[09:04] <nzk> tmske_: I don't know.
[09:04] <ron7909> failed to fetch http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu.............
[09:04] <nzk> -_-
[09:04] <DaSkreech> tmske_: gutsy is not a release
[09:04] <DaSkreech> Please ask in #ubuntu+1
[09:04] <nzk> DaSkreech: Stop nitpicking about words
[09:04] <DaSkreech> nzk: It's not nitpicking it won't upgrade because it is not a release
[09:05] <DaSkreech> that's the technical reason why it won't work
[09:05] <DaSkreech> When it's released it will work
[09:05] <DaSkreech> Until then he (assuming tmske_ is a he) will have to upgrade manually
[09:05] <DaSkreech> not that hard :)
[09:06] <DaSkreech> ron7909: grrr
[09:06] <nzk> DaSkreech: SEXIST. What is tmske_ is a she? HUH?!
[09:07] <DaSkreech> ron7909: I'm going to go now but I can leave you with something to read to help you in the command line
[09:07] <DaSkreech> !cli | ron7909
[09:07] <ubotu> ron7909: The linux terminal or command-line interface is very powerful. Open a terminal via Applications -> Accessories -> Terminal (Gnome) or K-menu -> System -> Konsole (KDE).  Guide: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UsingTheTerminal
[09:07] <nzk> ron7909: I can help you while he is gone.
[09:07] <DaSkreech> nzk: Which is why I made the allowance that I could be mistaken by my assumption
[09:07] <ron7909> thanks daskreech
[09:08] <DaSkreech> ron7909: One last thing before I go
[09:08] <DaSkreech> on the server press Alt+ctrl+F2
[09:08] <DaSkreech> You will get a new login screen
[09:08] <nzk> DaSkreech: Stopit ;)
[09:08] <nzk> Bah, stupid hilighting
[09:08] <tmske> DaSkreech: I know gutsy is not yet released, but I thought it was possible of upgrading with update-manager
[09:08] <DaSkreech> ron7909: If you press Alt+Ctrl+F1 You will get back your first screen
[09:08] <nzk> Autocompletion*
[09:08] <nzk> tmske: #ubuntu+1
[09:09] <ron7909> from where I am now?
[09:09] <tmske> nzk: thanks, I'll try there
[09:09] <DaSkreech> tmske: it is but you have to tell it to move to gutsy but changing your sources.list yourself. it will not flag it automatically until it's released
[09:09] <ron7909> whoa, F2 took me back to login
[09:09] <DaSkreech> ron7909: Yes
[09:09] <ron7909> F1 did nothing
[09:09] <DaSkreech> try alt+ctrl+F1
[09:09] <ron7909> ahhh
[09:09] <ron7909> a toggle
[09:10] <DaSkreech> You have multiple terminals you can log into
[09:10] <DaSkreech> Go through F3 F4 F5
[09:10] <DaSkreech> You will see the TTy at the top change number to reflect that
[09:10] <ron7909> i see
[09:11] <ron7909> multiple logins?
[09:11] <DaSkreech> ron7909: You have multiple logins at one time so that you can have something full screen and can do work elsewhere
[09:11] <DaSkreech> ron7909: Right
[09:11] <ron7909> but i am fullscreen the whole time
[09:11] <ron7909> since I am in the command line since login
[09:11] <DaSkreech> ron7909: When you install irssi use  nano and edit /etc/apt/sources.list to take off the # from that same line
[09:12] <ron7909> k
[09:12] <DaSkreech> ron7909: do a sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install irssi
[09:12] <DaSkreech> When irssi installs you can type irssi -c irc.freenode.net
[09:12] <DaSkreech> then you can IRC from the command line and run commands from Alt+Ctrl+F2
[09:12] <DaSkreech> so you don't ahve to walk back and forth
[09:13] <ron7909> interesting
[09:13] <DaSkreech> ron7909: I will be on tomorrow and can help you more then
[09:13] <ron7909> I have 5 machines sitting around me
[09:13] <ron7909> heh
[09:13] <ron7909> no walking
[09:13] <ron7909> but I like that tip
[09:13] <DaSkreech> In the mean time while the cd downloads try out things from the URL I sent you
[09:13] <ron7909> i will
[09:13] <ron7909> thanks
[09:13] <DaSkreech> You can mess up the box as bad as you want since you are reinstalling anyway :)
[09:13] <ron7909> I really appreciate the help
[09:13] <ron7909> and patience
[09:15] (DaSkreech/#kubuntu) nzk: I could guess I meant to battling with me on IRC :)
[09:16] (DaSkreech/#kubuntu) Hobbsee: How are you?
[09:16] (nzk/#kubuntu) DaSkreech: ...
[09:16] (DaSkreech/#kubuntu) ron7909: Wish you the best
[09:16] (DaSkreech/#kubuntu) :-)
[09:16] (DaSkreech/#kubuntu) night nzk
[09:16] (nzk/#kubuntu) Night
[09:16] (harmental/#kubuntu) hey guys...how can put the trash bin on the desktop?
[09:17] <kraut> moin
[09:17] <nzk> harmental: I guess make a shortcut to ~/.trash/ (I believe)
[09:17] <Hobbsee> DaSkreech: good. surprised to see nzk here though
[09:17] <nzk> Why?
[09:17] <nzk> I use KDE now.
[09:17] <Hobbsee> nzk: thought you were barred from all freenode channels
[09:17] <DaSkreech> :-)
[09:17] <nzk> Hobbsee: All _freenode_? Naw. Only #ubuntu and -offtopic.
[09:18] <Hobbsee> nzk: sorry, all *ubuntu* channels
[09:18] <nzk> Hobbsee: ;)
[09:18] <DaSkreech> And you really shouldn't be sexist then :)
[09:18] <nzk> Only the ones that I misbehave in.
[09:19] <ron7909> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UsingTheTerminal
[09:19] <ron7909> didn't bring anything up
[09:19] <nzk> ron7909: I can help you out
[09:19] <ron7909> within termianl
[09:19] <ron7909> terminal
[09:19] <DaSkreech> ron7909: hmm
[09:19] <ron7909> I was just going to read  the guide
[09:19] <ron7909> for starters
[09:19] <Hobbsee> nzk: well, you know teh logic.  behave in this one, and i wont throw you out :)
[09:20] <nzk> Hobbsee: :D
[09:20] <DaSkreech> try w3m https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UsingTheTerminal
[09:20] <ron7909> maybe I should just paste into browser?
[09:20] <nzk> ron7909: I can help you out if you don't get anything
[09:20] <DaSkreech> ron7909: that works as well
[09:20] <lockd> harmental: probably copy kde/share/apps/systemview/trash.desktop to ~/Desktop
[09:20] <nzk> I'm quite good with the terminal
[09:20] <nzk> lockd: That's just the icon, is it not?
[09:20] <lockd> harmental: that's the .desktop file
[09:20] <ron7909> yeah, it liked that
[09:21] <ron7909> reading now
[09:21] <ron7909> thanks nzk
[09:21] <ron7909> I will do some reading and bug you guys n the flipside
[09:22] <nzk> :\ Konsole doesn't seem to support bolding
[09:22] <nzk> When I was hilighted in irssi the person's name used to be yellow and bolded, yet now it is not.
[09:22] <harmental> lockd: i only found usr/share/mimelnk/application/x-trash.desktop
[09:22] <ron7909> maybe didn't work because I am in YDL\
[09:22] <ron7909> sorry, no slash
[09:22] <Hobbsee> nzk: it does.  likely your irssi config has changed
[09:23] <nzk> harmental: ~/.Trash/
[09:23] <nzk> just make a shortcut to that
[09:23] <nzk> I can't help you about the icons, I have no idea where they are.
[09:24] <nzk> Hrm... How can I see this terminal and see my movie at the same time
[09:25] <nzk> The only problem with irssi is that I don't know of any way to indicate that I've been highlighted besides actually seeing the highlight. As in, no button thingy flashes on the taskbar like Xchat :(
[09:25] <Hobbsee> harmental: right click on desktop, create new --> link to URL, and put the url as Trash:/ - problem solved.
[09:26] <lockd> Hobbsee: didn't know you could just do it that way
[09:26] <Hobbsee> lockd: you can :)
[09:27] <lockd> Hobbsee: i suppose it has the right empty/full icon like the [Desktop Entry]  that usually comes default
[09:27] <Hobbsee> lockd: should do, yeah.
[09:28] <nzk> Damn my slow wireless connection, I can't stream my HD movie
[09:32] <harmental> Hobbsee: that worked great...but when i empty the bin there is no change in the icon.....(it always full)
[09:32] <Hobbsee> harmental: dont know the answer to that one
[09:33] <Assid> heya
[09:33] <noaxess_kubuntu> hey there in the kubuntu land :) was up today?
[09:33] <noaxess_kubuntu> hey Hobbsee, long time ago as we talk
[09:33] <noaxess_kubuntu> :)
[09:33] <Assid> err.. how do i make apt do 4 simultanous downloads per mirror ?
[09:33] <Hobbsee> hiya noaxess_kubuntu
[09:34] <topknot> Well I for one just installed Kubuntu and am having a look around
[09:34] <Assid> my connections kinda sucky.. it requires multiple downloads to help it go faster?
[09:34] <noaxess_kubuntu> Assid: have you the default repos?
[09:34] <Hobbsee> Assid: you cant.  oh actually, you can, i think, if you add multiple mirrors
[09:34] <noaxess_kubuntu> yea
[09:35] <noaxess_kubuntu> have no probs with my ch repos
[09:35] <Assid> Hobbsee: nah there is a way to change the number of max connections per mirror
[09:35] <noaxess_kubuntu> mirrors
[09:35] <Assid> i just dont know how
[09:35] <Hobbsee> Assid: suggestion:  man pages
[09:45] <ron7909> alright
[09:45] <ron7909> I am done
[09:45] <ron7909> going to bed now
[09:45] <ron7909> I'll be back
[09:46] <ron7909> later
[09:47] <josef> beryl how can i install themes in beryl
[09:47] <pag> josef, emerald theme manager -> import theme ?
[09:48] <josef> yes i did it but after i pointed where  the file is downloaded  there was nothing changed
[09:49] <nzk> #beryl
[09:49] <nzk> #ubuntu-effects
[09:50] <josef> you mean channel #beryl nzk
[09:51] <nzk> What else...?
[09:51] <tuxd_> hello.  I'm looking for some help with Kontact/Kitchensync function on Kubuntu Fiesty
[09:52] <josef> ok thanks nzk
[09:52] <nzk> Not to be mean, but why does KDE put a K instead of a C in all things that should have a C? Like Kontact, Kaffiene, etc. Reminds me of a certain... organization.
[09:52] <josef> #beryl
[09:52] <nzk> Yeah, they would help you better than us
[09:53] <josef> i hope so.
[09:53] <tuxd_> How do I sync my contacts from Kontact to my smartphone?
[09:53] <nzk> :\ not sure if that can be done
[09:54] <nzk> Or what protocol it would use
[09:54] <nzk> tuxd_: Which smartphone?
[09:54] <tuxd_> Sony Ericsson M600i
[09:54] <tuxd_> User guide says "Kitchensync" is used to sync
[09:54] <nzk> Hobbsee: what did the CTCP say?
[09:54] <nzk> I use Ubuntu with Kubuntu-desktop package installed
[09:55] <nzk> Since I sort of... killed GNOME.
[09:55] <nzk> I believe I fixed it, but I am afraid to restart X.
[09:55] <nzk> tuxd_: Google "kontact M600i"
[09:56] <tuxd_> nzk: have you ever used "kitchensyn" in Kontact? I don't even see the function
[09:56] <nzk> I don't use KDE apps, sorry.
[09:56] <Hobbsee> nzk: said you were using irssi.  try it yourself
[09:56] <tuxd_> OK.  Thanks
[09:56] <nzk> No problem.
[09:57] <nzk> Remember, when it doubt, JFGI and RTFM :D
[09:57] <pag> tuxd_, have you got kitchensync installed?
[09:58] <tuxd_> pag:  good question.  I haven't seen where it is on Kontact. Is it something that requires addtional installation?
[09:58] <nzk> Try to apt-get install it
[09:58] <nzk> If that doesn't work apt-cache search for it and install the relevant package
[09:58] <pag> tuxd_, it's not installed by default..
[09:59] <pag> !info kitchensync | tuxd_
[09:59] <ubotu> tuxd_: kitchensync: Synchronization framework. In component main, is optional. Version 4:3.5.6-0ubuntu6 (feisty), package size 823 kB, installed size 2468 kB
[09:59] <Assid> hrmm.. black really isnt coming as black on my printer
[09:59] <Assid> its kinda light
[10:00] <tuxd_> pag, ubotu: thanks, downloading from adept mgr now
[10:00] <nzk> >:( Darn this wireless network, it can't stream my 5MB/s HD video
[10:01] <nzk> ubotu is a bot ;)
[10:01] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about is a bot ;) - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:01] <nzk> :|
[10:01] <nzk> I didn't mean that. I was telling him that ubotu is a bot.
[10:01] <tuxd_> OK.  lol
[10:02] <nzk> WWANA1T :)
[10:03] <nzk> We Were All Noobs At One Time
[10:04] <tuxd_> nzk: that's me now.  I want to wholly switch over and make everything "work"
[10:04] <tuxd_> nzk:  do I need to do anything special to install once it's downloaded from Adept?
[10:04] <nzk> Iuno, I've never used it
[10:06] <tuxd_> pag:  I've downloaded kitchensync from Adept.  Must I do anything else to install it?  I'm familiar with how to install programs on Windows, but new to Kubuntu
[10:06] <nzk> 'tis a sad time when I can get more download speed from a torrent than 20 feet over my wireless connection.
[10:06] <nzk> tuxd_: Just apt-get install
[10:06] <nzk> and it's installed
[10:06] <nzk> It's not a program but a framework
[10:06] <pag> tuxd_, Adept should do everything required by installation...
[10:06] <nzk> from then on you should be able to use Kontact to copy your Contacts
[10:07] <tuxd_> OK.  Thanks
[10:08] <Assid> stupid thing uses the color cartridge instad
[10:08] <tuxd_> pag:  does it give an icon or a list item in a drop-down menu?
[10:08] <nzk> It's a framework
[10:08] <nzk> Just use Kontact
[10:09] <pag> tuxd_, I don't know - never used it.
[10:11] <berkes> does anyone know when the next LTS release is planned?
[10:11] <pag> berkes, 8.04 will be
[10:11] <berkes> thansk
[10:12] <pag> dunno will it be 8.04 (it might be delayed as dapper was) but gutsy+1 in any case
[10:12] <jussi01> is build essential on the cd?
[10:13] <pag> jussi01, just a guess: no?
[10:13] <pag> jussi01, iirc I had to install it myself
[10:17] <jussi01> someone remind me how to get the build deps downloaded?
[10:17] <pag> jussi01, sudo apt-get build-dep package  ?
[10:17] <combo> hi @ll, i've just installed Kub.6.06[LTS]  and i have a problem with editing sources.list file?! :/  here it is:  http://wklej.org/id/a1c70b6773  can someone tell me what should i do ? :] 
[10:18] <pag> !kdesu | combo
[10:18] <ubotu> combo: In KDE, use  kdesu  to run graphical applications with root privileges when you have to. Do *not* use  sudo <GUI application> ; you can muck up your permissions/config files. For what to use in GNOME, see !gksudo
[10:18] <nzk> combo sudo kate /etc/sources.list
[10:18] <jussi01> thnanks pag
[10:18] <nzk> Rrt
[10:18] <nzk> Err*
[10:18] <jussi01> gah
[10:18] <nzk> Nevermind
[10:18] <combo> pag: wait a sec..... sources.list is NOT a graphical file?
[10:18] <nzk> It's a text file
[10:18] <pag> combo, kate is a graphical app ;)
[10:18] <combo> i thought that KDESU use only for XORG.CONF
[10:18] <nzk> You can edit it anywya you want
[10:18] <combo> aaaaaaaa
[10:18] <nzk> ...
[10:19] <combo> this way
[10:19] <combo> crap :] 
[10:19] <combo> ok, thx :)
[10:19] <combo> i was just wondering about that cuz NANO was working well :] 
[10:19] <gsaldana> exit
[10:19] <nzk> You can use any text editor you want
[10:20] <nzk> Like my friend ED over here
[10:20] <combo> pag: may i ask u something? what edition of kub. do u use?
[10:20] <nzk> Or his pal *vi*
[10:20] <nzk> combo: Kubuntu.
[10:20] <nzk> Not Kub
[10:20] <pag> combo, vim all the way :)
[10:20] <combo> yes, but which versio?
[10:20] <combo> 7.04?
[10:20] <nzk> pag: Why vim?
[10:20] <nzk> It's anoying to use
[10:20] <pag> combo, oh.. edition.. sry; 7.04
[10:20] <nzk> s/anoying/annoying
[10:20] <combo> what is VIM ?
[10:20] <nzk> Visual Internet Machine...
[10:20] <nzk> Duh
[10:20] <jussi01> !info vim
[10:20] <ubotu> vim: Vi IMproved - enhanced vi editor. In component main, is optional. Version 1:7.0-164+1ubuntu7.1 (feisty), package size 721 kB, installed size 1420 kB
[10:21] <pag> combo, vim is an editor - I misread your question, sorry
[10:21] <nzk> Just kidding ;)
[10:21] <combo> pag: ok :)
[10:22] <nzk> pag: is vIM had to use?
[10:22] <combo> pag: so FF... yesterday i had FF but i read on some polish site that (k)ubuntu is released (about) every 6 months, and programmers are going so fast with it, so it has many errors and the best version is LTS(6.06) with 5 years support - what do u thing 'bout that :)
[10:22] <pag> nzk, it has quite steep learning curve, but after you've learned it you won't want to use another editor :D
[10:24] <pag> combo, 6.06 is nice and stable, but most people just want new and shiny programms... and 7.04 isn't even *so* unstable - 6.10 was..
[10:24] <combo> .... - cuz programmers are not thinking about make a good OS but make it on time (which is very short - only 6 months)
[10:24] <beobal_> can anybody help with dual screen setup with i810?
[10:24] <topknot> nzk, pag is right after I learned vim I use it when ever possible
[10:24] <combo> pag: i see...
[10:25] <pag> combo, they're making as good OS as they can - can't really blame them for that.
[10:27] <combo> it is an opposite of MicroSoft - they release OS every feeeew years :) and not as good as it should be (e.g. VISTA) :] 
[10:27] <combo> so u use always the newest version...
[10:29] <combo> WTF?! i just examine that in 7.04 (yesterday!) i use 'sudo' command for kate to edit 'sources.list'
[10:29] <combo> and it worked :/
[10:29] <combo> but maybe in 6.06 it hasn't worked YET :] 
[10:29] <nzk> It works
[10:30] <nzk> But for some reason people don't recommend it
[10:30] <pag> combo, sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't and sometimes it mucks up your configs... one letter isnt really worth a risk.
[10:30] <kennethaar> hi
[10:30] <combo> ok, then. so i remember this usefull command called 'KDEsu' :)
[10:30] <pag> hello kalenedrael :)
[10:32] <robewald|work> hi, I can't connect to a pptp vpn, network manager always tells me that "validating options failed". How should I debug this?
[10:32] <kennethaar> so... In some distroes there is this neat function with a tekst field in the kmenu where I can type say: kwrite and the menu shows me where kwrite is located. Is this a package I can install?
[10:33] <nzk> I *really* need to clean out and organize my home folder
[10:34] <kennethaar> !disclaimer! This will delete everything: ctrl+a and the shift+del
[10:34] <kennethaar> ;-)
[10:34] <pag> kennethaar, will it delete hidden directories too?
[10:35] <kennethaar> hm let me see...
[10:35] <pag> kennethaar, iirc it'll delete them only if you have "show hidden files" enabled..
[10:35] <kennethaar> pag: spot on...
[10:36] <pag> kennethaar, but back to your problem; while not exactly the same, you could try using Katapult. It should be launched by default in feisty and can be accessed with alt+space
[10:37] <combo> pag: one more thing - can u tell me what is that last WARNING that i got http://wklej.org/id/cda8f13aac  ??
[10:37] <kennethaar> kool
[10:38] <pag> combo, it tries to open some file that probably doesn't exist.. doesn't look critical to me, so if all works as expected just ignore that
[10:39] <combo> pag: kk
[10:39] <kennethaar> hm how do I install envy from my desktop...
[10:39] <pag> !envy | kennethaar
[10:40] <ubotu> kennethaar: envy is a script that may leave you envious of those who have not used it, use the resticted manager to install binary drivers or use the instructions on the wiki, this script may break your machine very badly!
[10:41] <kennethaar> I have tried cd'ing to the directory, and running: sudo apt-get install envy_0.9.7-0ubuntu4_all.deb
[10:41] <Carnage\> kennethaar: Use dpkg to install .deb-files
[10:41] <kennethaar> dpkg install?
[10:42] <pag> kennethaar, sudo dpkg -i
[10:42] <Carnage\> man dpkg as well :)
[10:42] <kennethaar> thanks, did the trick
[10:43] <nzk> Is it possible to use Dolphin right now?
[10:43] <kennethaar> hm nope, missing lots of dependencies... Is there an easier way?
[10:43] <kennethaar> 'nzk: sure
[10:43] <pag> !deb | kennethaar
[10:43] <ubotu> kennethaar: deb is the Debian package format, also used by Ubuntu. To install .deb files, simply double-click on them (Ubuntu) or right-click and select Kubuntu Package Menu->install (Kubuntu)
[10:44] <kennethaar> thats not the problem... I got dependencies errors
[10:45] <pag> nzk, either install from the repos (older version) or https://marrat.homelinux.org/D3lphin for backported version
[10:45] <pag> kennethaar, sudo apt-get install -f
[10:46] <kennethaar> pag; well irt started to instal something atleast
[10:47] <kennethaar> May I ask what the command does?
[10:48] <nzk> kennethaar: Fixes dpkg
[10:48] <nzk> I've used it many times
[10:48] <kennethaar> thanks
[10:49] <kennethaar> Do I have to install envy again or will it just work now?
[10:50] <kennethaar> hm, not so stable eh?
[10:50] <pag> the package is installed now, if that's what you mean.
[10:50] <kennethaar> ok...
[10:51] <kennethaar> I tried installing the nvidiadriver an hour ago, I ended up reinstalling kubuntu...
[10:52] <kennethaar> I suspect Envy will do a better job tha me...
[10:53] <pag> kennethaar, sure it will... but when comes the next kernel update, you will probably end up with no X... there's a reason why all those auto-scripts aren't really reccomended
[10:53] <kennethaar> or is there a better way to set up nvidia and xorg?
[10:54] <kennethaar> shit...
[10:54] <kennethaar> That suxx
[10:54] <pag> kennethaar, sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx && sudo nvidia-glx-config enable
[10:55] <kennethaar> But wont setting it up manually also do that?
[10:56] <pag> kennethaar, not really - repos are updated with every kernelrelease, Envy doesn't iirc..
[10:56] <harmental> is it possible for Konsole two emulate the double buffer feature from emacs?
[10:58] <kennethaar>   E) What happens if the kernel is upgraded (e.g. via system updates)?  You will only have to follow these steps:  1) Restart your computer and the Xserver will crash (since it will lack a module).  Say No if the system asks you whether you want to see the output of the error to debug.  NOTE: press ALT+F1 if all you can see is a black screen  Then launch Envy's textual interface from the command line by typing:  (if you're using Ubuntu
[10:58] <kennethaar> This seems easy enough for me...
[11:01] <kennethaar> Yeeez this took a long time... Envy Is obviously envious of other peoples broadband connection right now.
[11:01] <shashidhar> anyone who has worked on schooltool
[11:03] <kennethaar> nope sorry
[11:04] <crube> I have an external HD, and when I shut it down the mount point is broken. It normally mount to /media/LACIE, but after being shut down and put on again it mount to /media/LACIE-1. Is there a way to get rid of this broken /media/LACIE mount so that my HD mounts back to /media/LACIE.
[11:05] <pag> crube, unmount it before shutting down?
[11:06] <crube> pag yeah that's what I usually do. It's just that I don't always remember to do it, and I have to restart my computer to fix it.
[11:07] <kennethaar> I miss sax
[11:08] <Maxdamantus> Sax as in saxophone?
[11:08] <Maxdamantus> Or some guy from here?
[11:09] <kennethaar> no as in suses xorg config tool
[11:09] <Maxdamantus> Oh.
[11:09] <kennethaar> I wonder why ubuntu haven't ported YAST/sax to ubunto as it has been opensourced
[11:09] <kennethaar> /gpl'ed
[11:11] <Maxdamantus> How big is OpenSUSE on tar.bz2?
[11:11] <Maxdamantus> I wanna download it, using as little bandwidth as possible. :P
[11:11] <kennethaar> What do you mean
[11:11] <Maxdamantus> Which is the art of Gentoo. :P
[11:11] <Maxdamantus> Stage3 ftw
[11:11] <Maxdamantus> 104mb tar.bz2 => 600mb base Gentoo system
[11:12] <kennethaar> aha... The next release is gonna divide kde and gnome to livecds that are limited installs, no more need to download the DVD
[11:12] <Maxdamantus> I mean if you were to extract all hte files from the ISOs.
[11:12] <Maxdamantus> Into directories called cd1, cd2, etc
[11:13] <Maxdamantus> Then just went "tar -cf --bzip *" on them.
[11:13] <kennethaar> I see... Hm I havnt tried, but I seem to remember that all the rpms are about 3,2 GB
[11:14] <hasan> hi guys
[11:14] <hasan> i ve got a question
[11:14] <combo> is there possible to create a short in Kub.6.06[LTS]  that after clicking will show Desktop like in 7.04 ? :)
[11:14] <kennethaar> fire away
[11:14] <Maxdamantus> !anyone | hasan
[11:14] <ubotu> hasan: A large amount of the first questions asked in this channel start with "Does anyone/anybody..."  Why not ask your next question (the real one) and find out?
[11:14] <hasan> my log on screeen incredibly large probably its resolution is higher tha normal
[11:14] <Maxdamantus> Wait, wrong one.
[11:14] <hasan> english is not my native language that's why i was trying to construct that question
[11:15] <Maxdamantus> hasan, what's your resolution defined in /etc/X11/xorg.conf?
[11:15] <hasan> how can i look at it  ?
[11:15] <hasan> in which line there are lots of resolution values
[11:15] <Maxdamantus> sudo nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[11:16] <hasan> normally my resolution is 1152  864
[11:16] <Maxdamantus> Look for the 24 bit line probably, and see what order the resolutions are in.
[11:16] <nzk> What the hell? Either zsh or Konsole don't let me use wget
[11:16] <Maxdamantus> Laptop?
[11:16] <hasan> nope desktop but there are so many resolutionj values in xorg.conf
[11:17] <Maxdamantus> What's the first one on 24 bit?
[11:17] <Maxdamantus>                 Depth           24
[11:17] <Maxdamantus>                 Modes           "1600x1200" "1280x1024" "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480"
[11:17] <Maxdamantus> Something like that.
[11:18] <hasan> modes "1024x768@85" "1024x768@75" "832x624@75" "1024x768@70" "800x600@60" "1024x768@60" "800x600@85" "1024x768@43" "800x600@75" "1152x864@75" "800x600@72" "1280x1024@75" "800x600@56" "1280x960@60" "640x480@85" "1280x960@85" "640x480@75" "1280x1024@85" "640x480@72" "1280x1024@60" "640x480@60" "1280x960@75" "1400x1050@60" "1400x1050@75" "1600x1200@65" "1600x1200@60" "1600x1200@75" "1600x1200@70" "1792x1344@60" "1856x1392@60" "1920x1440@60" "2048x1536@60"
[11:18] <hamadooo> hasan
[11:18] <Maxdamantus> Didn't even know you could set the hertz there.
[11:18] <Maxdamantus> Hmm..
[11:18] <hasan> hamadooo:?
[11:19] <hamadooo> how are you hasan
[11:19] <hasan> fine u ? and so ?
[11:19] <hamadooo> where r u from
[11:19] <hamadooo> im fine
[11:19] <hasan> Turkey
[11:19] <hasan> u
[11:19] <hamadooo> kuwait
[11:19] <hamadooo> nice name
[11:20] <hasan> its my name
[11:20] <hamadooo> we use this name also .. in kuwait
[11:20] <hasan> ;)
[11:20] <hamadooo> :>
[11:20] <hasan> i know of course
[11:20] <Maxdamantus> I have a cousin called Hasan.
[11:20] <hasan> or Hassan ?
[11:20] <Maxdamantus> Yea, Hassan.
[11:20] <hamadooo> max . where r u from
[11:20] <Maxdamantus> New Zealand.
[11:21] <Maxdamantus> But that family is in Morrocco.
[11:21] <Maxdamantus> Morocco*
[11:21] <hasan> if i had the job i would go there maxdamantus
[11:21] <hamadooo> :)
[11:21] <hasan> i had an interview last week in Turkey
[11:21] <Maxdamantus> What, to NZ, or Morocco?
[11:21] <hasan> to participate in project over voip infrastructre and iptv
[11:21] <hasan> but i wasn't qualified anyway
[11:21] <hasan> in new zelland or singapour
[11:22] <nzk> What do I need to do to make it such that the fonts in Firefox are normal? At default they are too small and skinny and the wrong fonts, anyway.  I already have MSFTCOREFONTS installed
[11:22] <hasan> ctrl+ ++
[11:22] <hasan> to increase font size
[11:22] <hasan> ctrl + - to decreasse font size
[11:23] <nzk> hasan: ... I know
[11:23] <nzk> I mean by default.
[11:23] <combo> - how to create a shortcut to show Desktop (all other windows are minimized after click) ??
[11:23] <hasan> what about using win like keyboard layout ? win+d or win+minimize :)
[11:23] <Maxdamantus> combo, right click the panel.
[11:24] <Maxdamantus> Then Panel Menu > Add to Panel
[11:24] <combo> got it
[11:24] <combo> thanks a lot :D
[11:24] <Maxdamantus> Np.
[11:25] <Maxdamantus> Noo! Damn it.
[11:27] <nzk> Oh Konsole, why do you mock me so?
[11:27] <aldin> how do i make shadow like on this picture http://www.kde.org/announcements/announce_4.0-beta1/marble_designer_plugin0_small.png in GIP or INkspace etc, so i have one pic and wanna put some wshadow on it
[11:27] <nzk> Enabling bold only makes everything BUT what I need bold bold.
[11:28] <pag> aldin, to applications or just a picture?
[11:29] <aldin> pag, i am making photostory, and want to make up my pics a bit
[11:29] <pag> aldin, which software are you using?
[11:30] <pag> gimp, krita or something else?
[11:30] <aldin> pag, i though to ask u for that, i have gimp installed
[11:30] <aldin> and inkspace
[11:30] <aldin> *inkscape
[11:30] <Maxdamantus> aldin, GIMP will be able to do that.
[11:30] <pag> aldin, its quite easy in gimp.
[11:30] <aldin> pag, Maxdamantus could u tell me how to do it, i will open some png image
[11:31] <Maxdamantus> Nope, not too great with GIMP, sorry.
[11:31] <pag> aldin, Script-Fu -> Shadow -> Drop Shadow
[11:31] <aldin> any other OSS graphical tool coudl do that
[11:31] <aldin> pag, i will try it in a minute
[11:33] <aldin> pag, thats it! thank u very very much!
[11:34] <pag> np :)
[11:34] <Ze_M> i have kmail instalad but i dont see any kmail icon, what the hell is going on?
[11:35] <Maxdamantus> Ze_M, is it running?
[11:35] <Ze_M> Maxdamantus: what that have todo???
[11:35] <aldin> Ze_M, i dont have kontact nor kmail icon in my KDE menus, it was in taskbar in quick luch...
[11:36] <pag> Ze_M, kmail can be found in kmenu -> internet -> kmail
[11:36] <Maxdamantus> Ze_M, probably something like "kmail" in the terminal, or else probably under internet in the menu,
[11:36] <aldin> pag, i cant find it there
[11:36] <Ze_M> pag: false
[11:36] <Ze_M> Maxdamantus: imaware of it, did you read what i said?
[11:36] <aldin> Maxdamantus, kmail in terminal works for me, but wanted to say that like in Ze_M's case it isnt in menus
[11:37] <Maxdamantus> Then add it to the menu.
[11:37] <Ze_M> Maxdamantus: lol
[11:37] <aldin> Maxdamantus, well thats not problem, problem is that it doesnt come by default could it be a bug?
[11:37] <Maxdamantus> aldin, maybe it's in a different menu.
[11:37] <Ze_M> kubuntu is just great, and kmail isnt the only app removed from kmenu, kubuntu continues sucking just better go back to good old mandriva distro
[11:38] <Maxdamantus> I like Thunderbird. :)
[11:38] <aldin> Maxdamantus, i looked everywhere, as ai said it used to be in my taskbar like quick launch, but i removed it from ktaskbar...
[11:39] <aldin> Ze_M, try Alt + F2 -> kmail
[11:39] <Ze_M> aldin: imalso ware of that, thts not the point
[11:40] <Maxdamantus> Ze_M, stop complaining and add it to the menu yourself.
[11:40] <aldin> Ze_M, , perhaps it is bug, go to launchpad.net and report it
[11:41] <Maxdamantus> The thing about Linux is that it doesn't do everything for you.
[11:41] <Maxdamantus> Which means you learn on the way.
[11:41] <Ze_M> no.i have seen many flaws in kubuntu like doesnt even have a control panel to configure the system, kmenu kubuntu sucks, going back to the good distro Mandriva
[11:41] <steve__> hi habe mir heute das ubuntu aufgesetzt und habe ein prob wegen wlan (suche schon die ganze nacht im www) realink (realteak) rt61 wlan ship (auch tutorial auf der ubuntu homepage dazu durch) jedoch bewerikt das ndern der /etc/ne.../interfaces nichts............. die karte luft aber ich kann mich nicht zu meine ac connecten auch ohne verschlsslung klappt es nicht.wei nicht was ich nach all dem lesen noch versuchen soll ich wre dankbar
[11:41] <steve__> fr einw enig hilfe auch wenn das ein sehr "beliebtes" problem ist
[11:42] <Maxdamantus>  <Ze_M> no.i have seen many flaws in kubuntu like doesnt even have a control panel to configure the system, kmenu kubuntu sucks, going back to the good distro Mandriva
[11:42] <aldin> Ze_M, mnadriva's menus are worst (IMHO) so small and deep...
[11:42] <Maxdamantus> It does have a control panel.
[11:42] <Ze_M> are what?? are simply way much better
[11:42] <Ze_M> doesnteven exist comparaation
[11:42] <Maxdamantus> And you can just install the default KDE, rather than Kubuntu KDE.
[11:42] <Maxdamantus> I like default better.
[11:43] <aldin> Ze_M, i had mandriva... smaller icons in kmenu, and to deep to go to some application
[11:43] <steve__> kann mir wer helfenbzw versteht mich hiereig wer ?
[11:43] <Ze_M> aldin: all apps are correctly in menus, and there arent menus missinglike here
[11:43] <aldin> stefan, go to #kubuntu-de
[11:43] <aldin> Ze_M, never mind suit urself as u want
[11:44] <Ze_M> what crap kubuntu
[11:44] <Ze_M> aldin: sorry
[11:44] <Ze_M> aldin: butimreally gg back to mandriva, much muich better
[11:44] <aldin> Ze_M, ok, then u know where are doors, -> #mandriva
[11:50] <nzk> ...
[11:50] <nzk> Kaffiene played a video fine, over the network
[11:50] <nzk> so did VLC
[11:50] <nzk> Now when it's here locally Kaffiene can't even play it and VLC plays it very choppy
[11:51] <nzk> Mplayer and gxine do the same thing
[11:58] <Assid> err.. can someone help me configure my desktop to look like : http://www.ubuntux.org/looking-dapper
[11:59] <Assid> what are those applets on the side
[11:59] <Maxdamantus> Assid, SuperKaramba
[12:00] <Maxdamantus> !superkaramba Assid
[12:00] <Maxdamantus> !superkaramba | Assid
[12:00] <ubotu> Assid: superkaramba is an application that gives you interactive eye-candy on your desktop. To get themes for it, head over to http://kde-look.org
[12:01] <Knight_Lord> I'm trying to make kmail filter by category, but no categories show up as available. What am i diong wrong?
[12:02] <boris_> hey
[12:02] <boris_> what is the command to update my dapper to edgy and then feisty ?
[12:03] <aldin> how to add some fonts in konsole, i would like the one that is on ttys1-6
[12:03] <aldin> boris_, sudo apt-get dist-upgrade, but u will have to have feistys repositories set
[12:03] <aldin> google a bit u will find how to upgrade to feisty
[12:04] <Maxdamantus> alberg_, if I'm correct, that font is defined by the machine, not the operating system.
[12:04] <Maxdamantus> aldin*
[12:04] <Knight_Lord> How can i remove the apply filter from kmail?
[12:04] <aldin> Maxdamantus, i can choose only bitstreamed etc fonts but i used before helvetica or some.. dont know...
[12:09] <Knight_Lord> How often does kmail crash?
[12:10] <pag> Knight_Lord, never crashed here
[12:10] <Assid> hrmmi set firefox as the default browser
[12:10] <Assid> yet it seems to have an issue
[12:11] <Knight_Lord> I must be unlucky. 1 crash in 1 day
[12:12] <Maxdamantus> Thunderbird has never crashed on my ^_^
[12:12] <noaxess_kubuntu> what about googletalk in kopete.. i think it is the jabber protocol right?
[12:12] <noaxess_kubuntu> but i can't connect to the default server..
[12:13] <Knight_Lord> It crashes while applying filters
[12:15] <kennethaar> Argh...  Envy f**ked up my display too!
[12:15] <andersin> noaxess_kubuntu:http://wiki.kde.org/tiki-index.php?page=Google+Talk+support
[12:16] <andersin> noaxess_kubuntu:basically you need to override the server to talk.google.com
[12:17] <kennethaar> envy|
[12:17] <vlt> Hello. I'm using Kubuntu Dapper  and just received a gpg encrypted mail. The secret key needed to decrypt is in my keyring file but kmail just shows me a (blue) mail header "No decryption possible ... wrong passphrase". What do I have to do to get it working with kmail?
[12:19] <tank71> anyone around?
[12:19] <stdin> ask a question and see :)
[12:19] <Maxdamantus> Nope, I'm asquare
[12:20] <tank71> hey :)
[12:21] <tank71> well I have a this computer a server sitting on the ground I want to use this computer to ssh into the server on the ground...ssh is up and running on the server but when I try to connect is says port 22 connnection refused
[12:21] <tank71> any ideas?
[12:21] <Maxdamantus> tank71, then it's not working.
[12:21] <Maxdamantus> Are you sure SSH is running?
[12:21] <stdin> firewall ?
[12:22] <kennethaar> So long and thanx for all the fish. ;-)
[12:22] <tank71> yes
[12:22] <Maxdamantus> tackat, try SSHing to localhost from the box.
[12:22] <tank71> ya I have done that
[12:22] <tank71> it works
[12:22] <tackat> Maxdamantus: I won't ;)
[12:22] <Maxdamantus> Are you using an IP on the network?
[12:23] <tank71> yes
[12:23] <stdin> tank71: how are they connected together?
[12:23] <Maxdamantus> tackat, sorry, wrong person.
[12:23] <tank71> they are both plugged into the same router
[12:23] <Maxdamantus> Used to channels with like 50 people at most. :S
[12:23] <tank71> both connected to the internet
[12:23] <stdin> tank71: can you ping it?
[12:23] <tank71> ya...
[12:23] <Maxdamantus> tank71, try doing a port scan on it.
[12:24] <Maxdamantus> nmap <ip>
[12:24] <tank71> uhhh ok
[12:25] <LinuxHelp> Might I ask, I have enabled xdmcp in my kdmrc, but how do I add another computer (10.0.0.13) to my "allow" list?
[12:26] <LinuxHelp> When I connect from 10.0.0.13 it says "host not willing"
[12:26] <tank71> PORT    STATE SERVICE
[12:26] <tank71> 631/tcp open  ipp
[12:26] <tank71> hmmm
[12:26] <Maxdamantus> Are you sure it's the right IP?
[12:27] <stdin> tank71: check /etc/ssh/sshd_config and make sure it's litening on the right address/interface
[12:27] <tank71> ok..
[12:27] <Maxdamantus> stdin, no.
[12:27] <tank71> no?
[12:27] <Maxdamantus> If it doesn't show on portscan, then it's unable to half open the socket.
[12:28] <tank71> ok so any idea why?
[12:28] <stdin> Maxdamantus: OR it may just not be listening on the right address
[12:28] <Maxdamantus> tank71, try ssh <ip> 631
[12:29] <stdin> 631 is ipp
[12:29] <Maxdamantus> Well maybe it's running on the wrong port.
[12:29] <Maxdamantus> tank71, maybe it's only binded to localhost.
[12:29] <stdin> hmm, isn't that what I said?
[12:29] <Maxdamantus> tank71, take a look at /etc/ssh/sshd_config
[12:30] <tank71> ok I'll look
[12:30] <Maxdamantus> Oh, thought you meant port, sorry stdin :P
[12:30] <tank71> brb
[12:30] <Maxdamantus> tank71, if there are any "ListenAddress" uncommented, comment them out,
[12:30] <LinuxHelp> Can anyone read this?
[12:31] <Maxdamantus> LinuxHelp, read what?
[12:31] <stdin> tank71: if you want it to listen on all addresses/interfaces you'll want it to read "ListenAddress 0.0.0.0"
[12:32] <Maxdamantus> stdin, 0.0.0.0 is localhost is it not?
[12:32] <stdin> Maxdamantus: no, 0.0.0.0 is all addresses
[12:32] <Maxdamantus> Oh.
[12:32] <Maxdamantus> I have ListenAddress commented out.
[12:32] <Maxdamantus> And it works for all.
[12:33] <stdin> it could be bound to an IPv6 address too, I had trouble with that a while ago
[12:34] <Maxdamantus> What's the point of IPv6 over a private network?
[12:34] <Maxdamantus> Doubt they have over 16m connections.
[12:35] <Maxdamantus> Oh, not as many reserved for internal use..
[12:35] <stdin> it helps if you have a large net, accross multiple subnets
[12:38] <tank71> I left the listenaddress commented out too
[12:38] <tank71> but other than that
[12:38] <tank71> I didnt see anything
[12:38] <tank71> should I un-comment out the listenaddress lines?
[12:38] <Maxdamantus> tank71, restart the sshd, and try connecting to it.
[12:38] <tank71> I did restart it...and still cant connect
[12:39] <stdin> tank71: try uncommenting the ListenAddress then, and try setting it to "0.0.0.0"
[12:39] <tank71> ok
[12:39] <tank71> brb
[12:42] <tank71> it would need to be restarted for changes to take effect huh brb...
[12:44] <nicolai_> What Firefox plugin is it that allows you to direct downloads to Kget?
[12:44] <runlevelten> Oh, there is one.
[12:44] <nicolai_> *Firefox Extension
[12:45] <tank71> stdin: still same problem
[12:45] <tank71> brb
[12:46] <stdin> tank71: on the server run "sudo netstat -lnp" and look what address sshd is listening to
[12:46] <nicolai_> runlevelten: could it be flashgot?
[12:47] <runlevelten> There's flashgot, but there was one which installed via a shell script too
[12:47] <runlevelten> nicolai_: flashgot will do it if it works in teh gnu/linux.
[12:47] <noaxess_kubuntu> andersin: thanks for quick info :)
[12:50] <runlevelten> Wow, what an astoundingly poor website design @ flashgot.net
[12:51] <nicolai_> runlevelten: I used the Firefox addons page
[12:51] <runlevelten> nicolai_: just seeing if it works :)
[12:52] <nicolai_> runlevelten: seems to work for me :)
[12:52] <nicolai_> runlevelten: Though I deeply regretted pressing "Flashgot all"
[12:53] <nicolai_> runlevelten: It wanted to download every file from every tab. That took a while to cancel. :/
[12:54] <nicolai_> And by file I mean webpage--element
[12:55] <runlevelten> nicolai_: ouch. Still, with a few tweaks so "save as" works, I can see a reason for packaging a modified flashgot with ff by default in kubuntu.
[12:55] <runlevelten> Or at least offering to "integrate with kget?" in the same way konqueror does.
[12:55] <nicolai_> I agree. Especially because the Firefox download tool isn't very good
[12:55] <|Lunar_Lamp|> !kde4
[12:55] <ubotu> KDE 4 is the next major release of the K Desktop Environment. For more information see <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KDE_4>. The Release Schedule is available at <http://techbase.kde.org/Schedules/KDE4/4.0_Release_Schedule>. Alpha 2 packages can be found at <http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-alpha2.php>.
[12:56] <Assid> hey
[12:56] <nicolai_> Shouldn't Ubotu be updated
[12:56] <nicolai_> beta is out now
[12:56] <Assid> something is wrong here
[12:56] <runlevelten> nicolai_: Yes, the FF downloader is still broken across sessions afaik. Don't quote me on that though, I haven't tried lately.
[12:56] <Assid> i set thunderbird as the default mail client.. however.. whenever i do anything.. it opens kmail
[12:56] <Assid> same thing for firefox/konqueror
[12:57] <Assid> also.. kopete just stopped opening for me
[12:57] <nicolai_> runlevelten: I've never paused/resumed succesfully with it.
 beta is out now <== I don't think the beta packages are in the backports repo's yet though :-(
[12:57] <runlevelten> Assid: You set the default KDE browser, not the default gnome browser?
[12:57] <runlevelten> ie kcontrol -> kde components -> default applications?
[12:57] <stdin> nicolai_: update it, it'll be forwarded to -ops and they'll apply it
[12:58] <nicolai_> |Lunar_Lamp|: http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-beta1.php
[12:58] <runlevelten> nicolai_: quite. Also, drag and drop integration and session management integration are possible too.
[12:58] <|Lunar_Lamp|> nicolai_, yay! Thanks :-)
[12:58] <runlevelten> nicolai_: ff has a resume once flag you can set. KDE should set it when persistent sessions are on and it shuts down, imo.
[12:59] <runlevelten> that would make ff behave like a kde app.
[12:59] <Assid> runlevelten: okay that worked.. but kopete still wont start up
[12:59] <nicolai_> stdin: I'm not very experienced with IRC, so I think I'll just let it be for now.
[01:00] <runlevelten> the other thing that needs sorting is triggering the move to, copy to menu when a url is dropped from FF.
[01:00] <stdin> nicolai_: you just do "!no kde4 is <reply> then put the reply you want here....."
[01:01] <runlevelten> nicolai_: With that and teh work already done on theming, you have a reasonable attempt at KDE integration for FF. Kubuntu should be the first to have it tbh.
[01:01] <runlevelten> Assid: can you open a konsole, and type kopete in it, then pastebin the results?
[01:01] <runlevelten> !pastebin | Assid
[01:01] <ubotu> Assid: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[01:01] <Assid> runlevelten: nothing happens.. it just runs.. but nothing happens
[01:02] <nicolai_> !no KDE4 is KDE 4 is the next major release of the K Desktop Environment. For more information see <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KDE_4>. The Release Schedule is available at <http://techbase.kde.org/Schedules/KDE4/4.0_Release_Schedule>. Beta 1 packages can be found at <http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-beta1.php>.
[01:02] <|Lunar_Lamp|> nicolai_, there appears to be a small bug in the instructions given on the page you gave me.  The final instruction says "put the three export lines at the top..." but thre are 4... :-/  Is one not needed, if so, which one?
[01:02] <runlevelten> Assid: No output in the console at all?
[01:03] <Assid> runlevelten: nope
[01:04] <nicolai_> |Lunar_Lamp|: My guess is someone couldn't count. :)
[01:05] <Lunar_Lamp> nicolai_, quite possibly, want to try and find an email address to send them their mistake? ;-)
[01:06] <runlevelten> Assid: at the very least, you should get a message saying it doesn't exist, or the bad device warnings for the entries that cover you for X
[01:06] <nicolai_> Lunar_Lamp: it's because the last line wasn't in the alpha instructions.
[01:06] <stdin> Lunar_Lamp: that'd be Riddell :)
[01:06] <runlevelten> Assid: You are typing the command into a console, a terminal, a command prompt, aren't you? :)
[01:07] <Assid> runlevelten: yes..  no error..
[01:07] <Assid> its as tho its supposed to launch.. but nothing launches
[01:08] <runlevelten> and the prompt doesn't come back?
[01:08] <runlevelten> I hate to ask, but Is there the kopete icon in your tray?
[01:09] <Assid> it comes back
[01:09] <Assid> nothing launches
[01:09] <Assid> nope.. not in the tray
[01:09] <Riddell> Lunar_Lamp: fixed
[01:09] <Lunar_Lamp> Riddell, thanks :-)
[01:09] <Assid> hrmm got it
[01:09] <ubuntu> hi,an denno, joined this channel
[01:10] <Assid> it was a session running.. but somehow didnt come to my screen
[01:10] <Lunar_Lamp> Riddell, also, for clarity, I've noticed a problem with "To avoid having to start a second X server for a full session install xserver-xephyr and run Xephyr :1; export DISPLAY=:1; xterm and run startkde in the Xerphyr xterm."
[01:10] <Assid> killed the process and started it
[01:10] <Lunar_Lamp> Riddell, you may want to put a comma after "full session" as it took me about 5 times of reading it to parse what it meant.
[01:10] <runlevelten> do you see it when you type  ps ax | grep kopete
[01:11] <Lunar_Lamp> I thought it was talking about "a full session install" and wasn't sure what that meant.
[01:12] <stdin> runlevelten: and change "Xephyr :1; export DISPLAY=:1; xterm" to "Xephyr :1 & export DISPLAY=:1", or the commands run after Xephyr exits
[01:12] <stdin> Riddell:  and change "Xephyr :1; export DISPLAY=:1; xterm" to "Xephyr :1 & export DISPLAY=:1", or the commands run after Xephyr exits
[01:12] <stdin> runlevelten: ignore that :p
[01:12] <runlevelten> stdin: I gathered x)
[01:15] <Assid> brilliant
[01:15] <Riddell> stdin: done
[01:15] <Assid> now if only i can get my desktop to look nice
[01:15] <Riddell> thanks
[01:15] <stdin> :)
[01:16] <runlevelten> Assid: It working?
[01:17] <Assid> yeah.. i killed a runaway process
[01:17] <runlevelten> \o/
[01:20] <Assid> runlevelten: know how to seperate the applications per window for beryl?
[01:21] <miles> hoody who
[01:22] <runlevelten> Assid: Not really understanding the question..
[01:22] <WaxyFresh> grrr...i miss kicker :(
[01:22] <runlevelten> you mean kickoff?
[01:22] <Assid> runlevelten: you know the taskbar.. i would like to have seperate applications on each window
[01:23] <runlevelten> Oh, I see. I believe it's in kcontrol under Desktop
[01:23] <runlevelten> but I don't use taskbar myself.
[01:24] <dragon_> hey can ne1 here tell me how to configure witch sound device xserver uses? ..... i just restarted my computer and its now decided to send all sound to the onboard device (witch cannot be turned off )
[01:24] <runlevelten> assid: kcontrol  desktop  taskbar  check sort windows by desktop
[01:24] <runlevelten> No, wait.
[01:25] <runlevelten> group similar tasks always, even
[01:25] <Assid> nope
[01:26] <runlevelten> I think I'm not understanding the terminology then..
[01:27] <runlevelten> taskbar... seperate applications on each window...
[01:27] <Assid> when you jump across multiple windows.. your taskbar remains as it is
[01:27] <nosrednaekim> Assid: I still don't get what you are trying to do
[01:27] <runlevelten> desktops then?
[01:27] <Assid> yes.. desktops
[01:27] <runlevelten> aaaah.
[01:27] <Assid> i want to have seperate taskbars .. per desktop
[01:27] <runlevelten> uncheck show windows from all desktops I guess
[01:28] <WaxyFresh> kde 4.0is tribe 3 right?
[01:28] <Assid> wheres it ?
[01:28] <nosrednaekim> WaxyFresh: no.
[01:28] <runlevelten> alt + f2  kcontrol  desktop  taskbar
[01:28] <nosrednaekim> Assid: oh yeah, there is an option for that....let me check
[01:29] <nosrednaekim> uncheck "show windoes from all desktops"
[01:29] <runlevelten> ps: I use the settings applet and have it in the right hand corner next to the clock and tray, quicker than running kcontrol :)
[01:29] <nosrednaekim> in the taskbar configuration
[01:30] <Assid> nosrednaekim: i dont see it
[01:30] <nosrednaekim> yeah, I probably do
[01:30] <Assid> i dont see it.. show windows from all desktop
[01:30] <runlevelten> assid:  alt + f2  kcontrol  desktop  taskbar  uncheck show windows from all desktops
[01:30] <Assid> runlevelten: that option aint there
[01:30] <nosrednaekim> its the top option...
[01:31] <Assid> first one is to sort..
[01:31] <runlevelten> Assid: It's the first checkbox, after you have chosen desktop  taskbar.
[01:31] <runlevelten> Assid: are you running on a very low screen res?
[01:32] <Assid> 1024x768 .. and its not there
[01:32] <WaxyFresh> if i install kde 4.0 and it borks my system how do i revert back to my kurrent kde version?
[01:32] <miles> yea
[01:32] <vlt> Hello. I want to read a gpg encrypted mail. The secret key needed for decryption is in my keyring file but kmail just shows me a (blue) mail header "No decryption possible ... wrong passphrase". What do I have to do to get it working with kmail?
[01:32] <miles> how do you do that
[01:33] <runlevelten> Assid: put it on mediafire, dude
[01:33] <Prophezy> hello all
[01:34] <Edulix> uhm
[01:34] <nosrednaekim> WaxyFresh: it will always be available for you
[01:34] <Assid> http://img358.imageshack.us/my.php?image=snapshot1fv0.png
[01:35] <nosrednaekim> vlt: the secret thing used for decrytion is your passphrase, which is not necesarily the key.
[01:35] <Assid> its not there.
[01:35] <runlevelten> Oh... you're running a composite wm. Then it won't let you
[01:35] <Assid> err.. im using beryl
[01:36] <runlevelten> There is some kind of clash there IIRC and having it enabled stuffs up beryl/compiz/whatever.
[01:36] <Assid> yeah.. thats why i said in beryl.. cause beryl makes the desktop windows to 1
[01:36] <nosrednaekim> Assid: wierd...
[01:36] <nosrednaekim> ah yeah, thats right..
[01:36] <Assid> ive done it before. within beryl.. somehow it came back to this
[01:37] <Assid> now i gotta set it back :(
[01:37] <nosrednaekim> you have to get a special app..... I have it, I'll find it for you.
[01:37] <WaxyFresh> nosrednaekim: how?
[01:37] <runlevelten> Assid: I expect it was changed recently.
[01:37] <nosrednaekim> they are different options on logging in
[01:38] <WaxyFresh> nosrednaekim: well i know that,i just didint relize that kde-4 would leae kde 3.? intact and still bootable.thanks
[01:38] <nosrednaekim> yeah, they use totally different directories and such
[01:39] <runlevelten> Yeah, there appears to be a taskbar-compiz thingy nosrednaekim. I'll leave that in your capable hands then :)
[01:39] <akrus> hello everyone
[01:39] <nosrednaekim> :)
[01:39] <akrus> is there any client with chats&webcam support for linux?
[01:40] <akrus> Yahoo/AIM
[01:40] <runlevelten> yes
[01:40] <nosrednaekim> webcam?
[01:40] <vlt> nosrednaekim: I thought the key is used after being "unlocked" with the passphrase. Hmm ... the problem is that KMail doesn't even ask for a passphrase.
[01:40] <runlevelten> akrus: It's whichever is the latest gyachi realtive, I installed it for clients and set up yahoo webcam and voice with it
[01:41] <runlevelten> worked fine, although it's ugly, heh.
[01:41] <akrus> :)
[01:41] <nosrednaekim> Assid: google "compiz-toolbar"
[01:41] <vlt> nosrednaekim: (Decrypting the plain mail body in a shell using `gpg` works fine, btw)
[01:41] <nosrednaekim> its not in the repositories
[01:41] <nosrednaekim> vlt: Kmail always asks me.
[01:42] <Ellipsys> Morning guys. Anyone know how to get firefox to play embedded WMAs in webpages, like putfile?
[01:42] <runlevelten> I had to build from source because the _SUSE_ packages were too old, so you've got  a snowball's chance in a microwave of finding a new enough ver
[01:42] <runlevelten> in the ubuntu repos.
[01:42] <vlt> nosrednaekim: My KMail asks YOU?!? WTF ;-)
[01:42] <nosrednaekim> yeah. Maybe you have a pgp key pre assigned somewhere in preferences?
[01:43] <nosrednaekim> Assid: http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=49484
[01:43] <runlevelten> (OpenSuSE pretty much always has newer software packaged, and it's usually been glanced over by developers who patch, too)
[01:44] <runlevelten> Well, not so much any more, I suppose, because people don't want anything to do with it :(
[01:45] <nosrednaekim> runlevelten: it was in the tuxfamily repository
[01:45] <runlevelten> nosrednaekim: is it a version where the cam support works though? Let's hope so.
[01:46] <nosrednaekim> wait, I think we are talking about two different things...lol
[01:47] <runlevelten> nosrednaekim: you mean the compiz-compatible taskbar?
[01:47] <runlevelten> nosrednaekim: I thought you meant the gyachi! thingy
[01:47] <nosrednaekim> lol
[01:48] <nosrednaekim> AH! I went and found the thig for Assid and then he leaves! http://3v1n0.tuxfamily.org/pool/feisty/eyecandy/taskbar-compiz_0.1+3v1ubuntu0_i386.deb
[01:48] <miles> i just coded a sick lil nugget into my .bashrc
[01:48] <miles> a lil 1-line zinger!
[01:49] <nosrednaekim> "rm -rf /" yeah!
[01:49] <nosrednaekim> w00t!
[01:49] <miles> no way
[01:49] <miles> your insane if you try that
[01:49] <nosrednaekim> I did that once.
[01:49] <stdin> you shouln't post that, not even as a joke!
[01:49] <runlevelten> that's not right!!! it should be ~
[01:50] <nosrednaekim> because I wanted to wipe linux anyway.
[01:50] <miles> bull, logically thats impossible
[01:50] <nosrednaekim> miles: what is?
[01:50] <miles> "rm -rf /"
[01:50] <nosrednaekim> no its not.
[01:50] <WaxyFresh> whats -rf?
[01:50] <nosrednaekim> rm gets loaded into memory.
[01:50] <miles> thats like using your arms to hold up your legs and suddenly your floating
[01:50] <stdin> nosrednaekim: it's against the CoC and the IRC Guidelines, some have been banned for that
[01:51] <nosrednaekim> WaxyFresh: recursive delete
[01:51] <nosrednaekim> stdin: ah sorry, didn't know
[01:51] <runlevelten> Yeah, it's like posting fork bombs, but worse, tbh.
[01:51] <miles> so does that really work or not
[01:51] <runlevelten> miles: yeah.
[01:51] <nosrednaekim> yeah, it really works.
[01:51] <stdin> WaxyFresh: recousive and force (removed everything without asking)
[01:51] <miles> #$@!
[01:52] <runlevelten> miles: proc etc notwithstanding, heh
[01:52] <miles> alias self-destruct='rm -rf /
[01:52] <WaxyFresh> whats a fork bomb?		 				 				 				 			  		   		   			  KDE 4 Beta 1re
[01:52] <miles> alias self-destruct='rm -rf /'*
[01:52] <miles> can i get in trouble for saying that?
[01:52] <stdin> yes
[01:52] <nosrednaekim> WaxyFresh: it overloads the processor with millions of processes
[01:52] <VirtualMachine> Hi! I want to try Kubuntu and LinuxMCE and trying to install Kubuntu on a Virtual Machine on a WinXP install. I have tried both Virtualbox and VMWare Player installing from the iso-file of Kubuntu. I get to the first screen and select the first option: "Install Kubuntu" or something similar, and afterwards I only see a blue-ish screen and can move the pointer around. However it does not start properly and displays any icons. Any help?
[01:52] <runlevelten> WaxyFresh: google it. Nobody here can tell you tbh.
[01:53] <runlevelten> wouldn't be effical because as soon as you post one in an IRC channel, people start dropping because they tried it.
[01:53] <runlevelten> Except that most don't work on secure distros.
[01:53] <miles> that would be rofl irl
[01:53] <miles> and secretly, pwn +2xp
[01:53] <Assid> hey
[01:53] <Assid> err.. can someone help me with beryl
[01:53] <Assid> i kinda screwed up something..
[01:53] <nosrednaekim> they are so simple though. maybe 10 lines of c code.
[01:53] <runlevelten> miles: it is, but only when you're among geeks who know better.
[01:54] <Assid> and now i cant get the cube
[01:54] <nosrednaekim> Assid: yeah, i posted your link BTW
[01:54] <nosrednaekim> http://3v1n0.tuxfamily.org/pool/feisty/eyecandy/taskbar-compiz_0.1+3v1ubuntu0_i386.deb
[01:54] <Assid> whats that?
[01:54] <nosrednaekim> thats the compiz-taskbar
[01:54] <Assid> err.. but im not using compiz
[01:54] <runlevelten> miles: there's actually no reason to lock an executable after you've loaded it if you're root and you know exactly what you're doing.
[01:54] <nosrednaekim> and I have to go. c ya'll
[01:54] <runlevelten> miles: It's an unnecessary nuisance
[01:55] <runlevelten> later nosrednaekim
[01:55] <vlt> I sent an encrypted mail with kmail to myself. It refuses to open it while decrypting it on the command line works. Any ideas?
[01:55] <miles> yea, i was just about to say, i couldnt run that command without sudo anyways
[01:55] <nosrednaekim> you actually TRIED?
[01:55] <miles> no
[01:55] <nosrednaekim> now I can see why its dangerous.
[01:55] <miles> but i checked the owner of /
[01:55] <nosrednaekim> oh ;)
[01:55] <miles> and its root, not me
[01:55] <runlevelten> miles: only because you don't have permission.
[01:55] <miles> yea
[01:56] <runlevelten> nosrednaekim: someone will have done. People always do, because people are the proverbial curious cat.
[01:56] <miles> switch the owner to some user that no one uses, switch their shell to /bin/null
[01:56] <miles> nm, root could over write that anyways
[01:56] <VirtualMachine> help anyone? Is anyone running Kubuntu through VirtualBox og VMWare?
[01:56] <miles> you guys just broadened my horizons a little
[01:57] <miles> "you just took one step into a bigger world" - obi-wan kenobi to luke skywalker
[01:57] <miles> thanks for opening my eyes guys
[01:57] <runlevelten> heh. I bet you try it for fun on another install. I know I did.
[01:58] <Assid> dammmnn
[01:58] <runlevelten> I've done it on work machines actually.
[01:58] <miles> and it all started because i had a snazzy little zinger in my .bashrc
[01:58] <Assid> 1 day in .. and i already screwed it up[
[01:58] <runlevelten> lol @ waxyfresh. s.w.i.m?
[01:58] <miles> i think im gonna set "alias self-destruct='that one command'"
[02:00] <principo> mahlzeit!
[02:00] <runlevelten> that command with squiggle instead of forwardslash, and ekko "Account removed" is good too.
[02:00] <runlevelten> that's an & not an && :)
[02:03] <jjesse> good morning, what do i need to have installed to share a folder between my kubuntu box and my windos box?
[02:03] <stdin> !samba
[02:03] <ubotu> samba is is the way to cooperate with Windows environments. Links with more info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently and http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/windows-networking.html - Samba can be administered via the web with SWAT
[02:03] <miles> i could never get swat to work
[02:04] <jjesse> i don't want to mount my windows shares, i want to share a folder on my kubuntu install and access it on my widndows box
[02:04] <stdin> yeah, look at http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/windows-networking.html
[02:06] <runlevelten> stdin: I point people to KPF for that kind of one way share, tbh
[02:06] <runlevelten> *if they're end users and using kde
[02:07] <VirtualMachine> !virtualbox
[02:07] <ubotu> VirtualBox is open-source virtualization software for x86, with a proprietary "enterprise" version sporting additional features. Packages for Ubuntu are provided by the makers at http://www.virtualbox.org/ - Setup details at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/VirtualBox
[02:07] <runlevelten> just a thought :)
[02:07] <stdin> runlevelten: it's easier, but you can't write to the files then
[02:07] <runlevelten> indeed
[02:08] <runlevelten> I still find samba flummoxes end users at the best of times (even when it's a pure win environment, tbh).
[02:08] <dromer> !vmware
[02:08] <ubotu> VMWare Player is in Ubuntu's !Multiverse repository (package "vmware-player"), and http://www.easyvmx.com/easyvmx.shtml can create VMs for it. For VMWare Server, instructions can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VMware - See also !virtualizers
[02:08] <runlevelten> stdin: have you seen giver?
[02:08] <Ace2016> Hi all
[02:09] <stdin> you really need a PHD to setup sama
[02:09] <Ace2016> why do my fonts look sooo bad on my lcd when they look very very good on my crt monitor???
[02:09] <stdin> runlevelten: no
[02:09] <runlevelten> hang on.
[02:10] <runlevelten> http://video.google.com/googleplayer.swf?docId=3768442676796881783&hl=en
[02:10] <runlevelten> giver is kind of cool ;)
[02:12] <stdin> runlevelten: looks nice :)
[02:13] <runlevelten> It wraps all sorts of sharing protocols, down to the networking capabilities of individual apps too, which is groovy.
[02:14] <geo88> how do I uncripple konqueror  ? :( I can't find any konqueror-orig.rc on my sysyem :(
[02:14] <runlevelten> uncripple in what sense?
[02:16] <geo88> well
[02:16] <geo88> runlevelten the kubuntu team removed some item menus from konqueror, and I want them back :)
[02:17] <geo88> as in : there should have been a Go menu and a Window menu besides Location,Edit,View etc.
[02:17] <runlevelten> Ah, menu removal. The stupid K Menu drives me nuts.
[02:17] <stdin> geo88: http://www.kubuntu.org/faq.php#konqueror
[02:18] <geo88> runlevelten , neah, it's got nothing to do with the K Menu :)
[02:18] <J_P> hi all
[02:18] <runlevelten> geo88: You don't say.
[02:19] <runlevelten> heh
[02:19] <geo88> runlevelten , well, I war referring to something else :P
[02:21] <geo88> stdin I actually followed that tut, but as I said...didn't find the file needed (konqueror-orig.rc) ... I now realized why... it just doesn't exist in gutsy. I copied it from feisty though :)
[02:22] <stdin> geo88: ahh
[02:22] <harmental> is there a shortcut to create/delete and switch tabs in Konsole?
[02:23] <runlevelten> ctrl, shift, n create
[02:24] <runlevelten> ctrl d = delete, shift left and right = switch
[02:25] <runlevelten> caveat - I use the in-shell quit command to shut 'em, so ymmv with ctrl d
[02:25] <harmental> runlevelten: thx!!
[02:25] <runlevelten> harmental: np :)
[02:26] <berkes> is it possible to enforce the user of files, created in a certain dir? I want all files and dirs under /foo to be owned by user bar. Even if user berkes makes them.
[02:29] <stdin> berkes: I think you have to set gid on the dir
[02:31] <berkes> stdin: afaiks that will only enforce the group, not the user. not?
[02:32] <stdin> berkes: ahh, sorry, uid not gid
[02:34] <berkes> stdin: drwsrwsr-x is my permission string. I would think that that means uid is sticky. But if I touch a file it still gets my user-id.
[02:37] <stdin> berkes: hmm, not sure. maybe ask in ##linux (if you get a responce)
[02:38] <miles> its too early for teh snickerz
[02:41] <stdin> miles: no, it's 13:41 here :)
[02:41] <blaukatze> hiya allll
[02:41] <blaukatze> i have a question any body help me ?
[02:41] <Ace2016> what question is it?
[02:41] <stdin> !ask
[02:41] <ubotu> Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[02:42] <blaukatze>  is it posible to use ndivia preferences in ubuntu
[02:42] <blaukatze> to see or use :)
[02:42] <stdin> afaik, it's installed with the driver package
[02:42] <Ace2016> alt+f2 nvidia-settings  is that what you want?
[02:42] <blaukatze> i mean when i am on graphics preferences on window there is a option like nvidia preferences
[02:42] <Ace2016> wait i'm using the beta drivers so it might be different for the one in the repo
[02:43] <Ace2016> blaukatze: nvidia-settings should be what your after, run it
[02:43] <blaukatze> yes it is :)
[02:43] <Ace2016> kdesu nvidia-settings
[02:43] <Ace2016> you need to run kdesu nvidia-settings to edit the settings, needs root access
[02:45] <blaukatze> i just run it bye alt f2 and nvidia-settings :)
[02:45] <blaukatze> thats what i was looking for thanks
[02:45] <blaukatze> and i have rite rn-1300se webcam
[02:46] <blaukatze> here is Bus 001 Device 004: ID 0c45:613a Microdia
[02:46] <blaukatze> lsusb
[02:46] <blaukatze> and i do not know how to install it
[02:46] <stdin> !webcam
[02:46] <ubotu> Instructions for using webcams with Ubuntu can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Webcam - Supported cams: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsMultimediaWebCameras
[02:49] <blaukatze> my cam is not at support list
[02:49] <blaukatze> does it mean i am not going to use it ?
[02:50] <stdin> blaukatze: try the instructions on the other link, it may be supported
[02:50] <blaukatze> anybody ?
[02:51] <Jerky_san> dang this is a nice sized irc chan lol
[02:54] <runlevelten> berkes. I was all set to give you an answer then realised that you can't do it on gnu/linux, heh.
[02:55] <runlevelten> berkes: I suppose you could create a bindmount with a fixed ownership and umask.
[02:58] <mumpitzmann> what do I have to do to get .htacces files to work?
[02:58] <mumpitzmann> it seems to be more than just the stuff mentioned here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EnablingUseOfApacheHtaccessFiles
[02:59] <runlevelten> there's probably a less brain-damaged solution tbh, but I've not wanted users to create files as someone else by default in a long time.
[03:01] <genii> runlevelten: I usuallu use samba then map all userneames to the one I want
[03:01] <genii> bleh typos
[03:01] <genii> usuallu=usually, userneames=usernames
[03:02] <runlevelten> heh yeah
[03:11] <mumpitzmann> it works :D
[03:11] <mumpitzmann> forgot to enable mod_rewrite
[03:12] <miles> when you install something via apt-get, where does the package get installed at?
[03:12] <miles> wait, nm
[03:12] <miles> "/var/lib", correct?
[03:13] <noaxess_kubuntu> what about kubuntu an dual display?
[03:13] <noaxess_kubuntu> any special settings?
[03:15] <humberto> oi pra todos
[03:16] <Ace2016> miles: what file did you install
[03:17] <Ace2016> miles: Alt+F2, type ~ and click run, then in the address bar type apt:/ and then search for the package, click on the package name in the list and scroll down to see a full file list of all installed files
[03:17] <Ace2016> Job done
[03:17] <stdin> Ace2016: why not just type "apt:/" in the run dialog?
[03:23] <Ace2016> st
[03:24] <grml> hi
[03:24] <Ace2016> stdin: it messes up my order, Alt+f2 type a then down then enter starts azureus, if i add apt:/ i'll have to press down twise
[03:24] <Ace2016> grml: hi
[03:24] <grml> mein ndiswrapper treiber scheint nicht ganz sauber zu sein
[03:24] <Ace2016> grml: guess your using grml right?
[03:24] <grml> oh, english
[03:24] <grml> no, ubuntu, today
[03:24] <grml> and here comes my problem with it...
[03:25] <miles> !find jdk
[03:25] <stdin> Ace2016: just addign a key combo to azureus ;)
[03:25] <ubotu> Found: sun-java5-jdk, sun-java6-jdk
[03:25] <Ace2016> stdin: nope, don't use it that often
[03:25] <grml> i wonder why the ndiswrapper works a bit deprecated. often i start and it tells me: wlan0: link is not ready
[03:26] <grml> if i restart about 20 times (which takes lots of minutes), anytime it IS ready!
[03:26] <grml> but why isn't it ready everytime?
[03:26] <Ace2016> something to do with your netwrok? does it work fine in grml?
[03:27] <grml> yeah, there i have 0 problems :-)
[03:27] <noaxess_kubuntu> is there a chkdsk for linux?...
[03:27] <grml> i have another ubuntu system on an older pc and there it works fine, too.
[03:27] <miles> !eclipse
[03:27] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about eclipse - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:28] <stdin> noaxess_kubuntu: fsck
[03:28] <grml> but on this one with the netgear pci wlan adapter, it sucks
[03:28] <stdin> !fsck | noaxess_kubuntu
[03:28] <ubotu> noaxess_kubuntu: fsck is the FileSystem ChecKer, which runs automatically when you boot if you didn't shutdown cleanly. Type "man fsck" for information on running it manually. The command "sudo shutdown -F -r now" will force a reboot and a filesystem check; "sudo touch /fastboot" will skip a filesystem check at next reboot
[03:28] <noaxess_kubuntu> stdin: but for ntfs partitions i have connected to kubuntu
[03:29] <grml> iwlist scan finds the network. but as i said: dmesg tells me: link is not ready.
[03:29] <Ace2016> noaxess_kubuntu: ntfs partitions need windows xp to check them out, not srue if kubuntu can do that
[03:29] <stdin> noaxess_kubuntu: there is a tool in ntfsprogs, but you'll want to run the windows chkdsk on it
[03:30] <grml> (if it is important, i use wpa_supplicant.)
[03:30] <Ace2016> grml: tried waiting for the link to be ready?
[03:30] <noaxess_kubuntu> stdin: can't conect it to windows... windows freezes.. :(.. only in kubuntu i see the partitions..
[03:30] <noaxess_kubuntu> i tried ntfsfix on the corrupt partition, error Volume is corrupt. You should run chkdsk.
[03:30] <stdin> noaxess_kubuntu: use the windows cd in rescue console to run chkdsk
[03:31] <grml> Ace2016: it is not ready yet...
[03:31] <noaxess_kubuntu> stdin: is there really nothing on the ntfstools?
[03:31] <stdin> noaxess_kubuntu: no, nothing that can fix a corrupted FS.
[03:31] <Ace2016> strange
[03:31] <noaxess_kubuntu> stdin: whats the tool you mean?
[03:31] <stdin> noaxess_kubuntu: you'll have to use the windows tools
[03:31] <noaxess_kubuntu> hm ok
[03:31] <noaxess_kubuntu> just ry..
[03:31] <noaxess_kubuntu> try
[03:32] <neusonce> !mkisofs
[03:32] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about mkisofs - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:32] <stdin> noaxess_kubuntu: on the windows install CD, there is a rescue console, run chkdsk there
[03:32] <neusonce> grrrrrrrrr
[03:34] <runlevelten> It's ntfsftl again. I avoid touching it on any personal machine.
[03:34] <grml> no idea for my stupid ndiswrapper?
[03:35] <noaxess_kubuntu> stdin: i know that.. i know windoof really good.. but wanted to know exactly tat there is really nothing for thins on kubuntu-linux.. thanks
[03:36] <BluesKaj> Howdy all :)
[03:36] <neusonce> grrrrrrrr
[03:36] <neusonce>  whats the package that  unpacks with mkisofs?
[03:37] <neusonce>  i just did a fresh install and everything gone to hell
[03:38] <nicolai_> neusonce: you want the dependensies?
[03:39] <bburatti> hello all
[03:39] <nicolai_> neusonce: mkisofs is a dummy package for genisoimage
[03:39] <bburatti> did you know when kde4 3.92.0 will be available for kubuntu ?
[03:39] <neusonce> YES
[03:39] <neusonce> THATS IT
[03:40] <stdin> bburatti: it's being built for feisty now, it takes a while
[03:40] <bburatti> ok, thanks
[03:43] <thehcdreamer> hy everyone, i'm new to kubuntu, how can I install the themes from kde-look.org?
[03:43] <neusonce> .........
[03:44] <Ace2016> thehcdreamer: by theme do you mean style?
[03:44] <stdin> !changethemes | thehcdreamer
[03:44] <ubotu> thehcdreamer: To change your themes, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuEyeCandy.  Kubuntu users should visit https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CustomizeKubuntu.
[03:44] <thehcdreamer> when i use ubuntu, i'm having a themes manager
[03:44] <thehcdreamer> thanks
[03:44] <Ace2016> thehcdreamer: check out QtCurve its my fav theme on kde-look.org
[03:44] <neusonce> dose anybody have an idea how i can get dvd shrink under wine to register the dvd drive?
[03:45] <thehcdreamer> ace2016 ok i will right now
[03:45] <Ace2016> why use dvd shrink? aren't there linux apps that can do it?#
[03:45] <stdin> k9copy
[03:45] <neusonce>  yes
[03:45] <neusonce>  BUT THEY ARE KILLING MY SOUL
[03:45] <neusonce>   they fail or there are build errors
[03:46] <neusonce>  and if they do work the final result is
[03:46] <stdin> neusonce: build errors?
[03:46] <neusonce> cringe worthy
[03:46] <neusonce>  when i use dvd9 to 5   .........  build error then the app shuts it self down
[03:47] <nicolai_> neusonce:  system settings -> advanced -> wine -> units and folders (I guess)
[03:47] <stdin> neusonce: maybe ask in #winehq
[03:48] <ksivaji> i have mysql installed on my machine but
[03:48] <ksivaji> sivaji@sivaji-desktop:~$ mysql -u root
[03:48] <ksivaji> ERROR 1045 (28000): Access denied for user 'root'@'localhost' (using password: NO)
[03:48] <Ace2016> just use virtualbox with a proper xp install, easier than getting wine to do stuff
[03:48] <ksivaji> stdin : hi
[03:48] <Ace2016> sudo mysql -u root?
[03:49] <ksivaji> Ace2016 no
[03:49] <neusonce> still insalling my updates
[03:49] <Ace2016> neusonce: or try dvdrip, its a nice front end
[03:49] <neusonce>  anotehr 40 minuets
[03:49] <neusonce> dammnit
[03:50] <nicolai_> Ace2016: dvdrip lacks packages (at least it seemed to in my case). It isn't what I would call fuctional.
[03:50] <neusonce> dvd rip
[03:51] <neusonce> makes my head go BOOOOOM
[03:51] <neusonce>  its really confusing
[03:53] <Ace2016> what does it lack?
[03:54] <nicolai_> Ace2016: I can't remeber. It just cited a long list of dependencies, not all of whom existed in the repositories.
[03:54] <nicolai_> And I have enabled restricted, multiverse and medibuntu
[03:56] <SeicherlBoB> hi guys! can someone help me to mount an external HDD via USB that was created on Mac OS X? it's not found by the system automatically, now i found it's place on the usb - but i dont know the filesystem. can someone help me please??
[03:56] <noaxess_kubuntu> SeicherlBoB: nice name you have :)
[03:57] <SeicherlBoB> thanks... ;) can you help me?
[03:57] <noaxess_kubuntu> ok.. mac os x has unix in the background, darwin linux i think..
[03:57] <noaxess_kubuntu> have you a mac to connect it?
[03:57] <thehcdreamer> i have another question, how can I know my version of KDE (2-3 or 4)?
[03:57] <noaxess_kubuntu> or is it the primary hd for your mac os x?
[03:57] <SeicherlBoB> no, no mac i my range
[03:57] <noaxess_kubuntu> all to SeicherlBoB
[03:58] <stdin> thehcdreamer: in any kde app go to Help > About KDE, or run "kde-config --version"
[03:58] <SeicherlBoB> no its an external disc with stuff i need now on another computer
[03:58] <thehcdreamer> thanks
[03:58] <nicolai_> thehcdreamer: right click panel, choose help -> about KDE
[03:58] <noaxess_kubuntu> SeicherlBoB: ok, can you connect it to your mac os x?
[03:58] <SeicherlBoB> no, i got no mac here
[03:58] <noaxess_kubuntu> ok
[03:58] <SeicherlBoB> but it used to work
[03:58] <noaxess_kubuntu> what /dev it has?
[03:59] <SeicherlBoB> i tried to connect it to my windows machine, but no partition was found
[03:59] <noaxess_kubuntu> on your kubuntu, disconnect it, open syslog or tail -f /var/log/messages and connect the external hd.. then you see what /devsd?? it takes
[03:59] <SeicherlBoB> i read trough /dev/bus/usb/devices and found it at bus 01, lev 01, prnt 01 prot 03 cnt 01
[04:00] <SeicherlBoB> moment...
[04:02] <Knight_Lord> How can I change kmail default web viewer?
[04:02] <stdin> Knight_Lord: system settings > default applications
[04:03] <Knight_Lord> stdin is there a way i can get there without using kde?
[04:04] <Knight_Lord> i'm using windowmaker as my window manager
[04:04] <koomi> lo
[04:04] <Assid> hey
[04:04] <stdin> Knight_Lord: you can set the system default browser for all users with "sudo update-alternatives --config x-www-browser"
[04:04] <Assid> how do i get kopete to search by the username/alias
[04:05] <Assid> like searching by the msn id
[04:05] <Knight_Lord> stdin and will i be able to use opera as my browser like that?
[04:05] <Dr_willis> run the kde configuration panel program manually i guess..
[04:05] <stdin> Knight_Lord: maybe, never tried
[04:06] <Assid> err.. anyone here have one of those multimedia keyboards?
[04:06] <noaxess_kubuntu> ups... x restart :)
[04:06] <farf> hi
[04:06] <Assid> how do i program the browser button ?
[04:06] <Assid> it doesnt seem to do anything
[04:06] <stdin> !Shortcuts
[04:07] <ubotu> Keyboard shortcuts can be set in System -> Preferences -> Keyboard Shortcuts (Gnome) or "Input Actions" in KControl (KDE). If your multimedia keys don't work with that, try keytouch - http://keytouch.sourceforge.net
[04:07] <noaxess_kubuntu> have hardinfo, even if i click on a category then x crashes and restarts..
[04:07] <noaxess_kubuntu> any idea?
[04:08] <Knight_Lord> stdin whatl's the executable for the kde control center?
[04:08] <Ace2016> nicolai_: i just installed it fine
[04:08] <stdin> Knight_Lord: the control center is kcontrol, the kubuntu control center is systemsettings
[04:09] <neusonce> you guyss
[04:09] <neusonce>  I HEART YOU ALL
[04:09] <nicolai_> Ace2016: I take back what I said about DVD::Rip. I just tested it and it seems all the issues have gone away. Perhaps the packages have been included since I tested the program in early May.
[04:09] <neusonce>  youre like dr phil you just wanna help people
[04:09] <mike> Anyone know how to help with k3b here?
[04:10] <stdin> !anyone | mike
[04:10] <ubotu> mike: A large amount of the first questions asked in this channel start with "Does anyone/anybody..."  Why not ask your next question (the real one) and find out?
[04:10] <neusonce> except i hate that bot
[04:11] <neusonce> so arrogant
[04:11] <mike> Fresh feisty install on new lenovo desktop, k3b wont burn anything. I have the output if there is a place to post it
[04:11] <stdin> tough :p
[04:11] <nicolai_> Ace2016: It wasn't the install that used to give errors. It was the program that kept complaing once you opened it. But now it works, and I haven't touched it since back then.
[04:11] <neusonce> !hate
[04:11] <ubotu> hate is a thing we don't encourage - why waste your energy
[04:11] <stdin> mike: post it to pastebin
[04:11] <nicolai_> *even though I hadn't touched it
[04:11] <stdin> !paste
[04:11] <mike> it looks like WODIM wont read teh capabilities of the drive correctly
[04:11] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[04:13] <mike> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/32375/
[04:14] <Dr_willis> hmmm...
[04:14] <Dr_willis> Popular desktop Linux distribution MEPIS is switching from Ubuntu back to Debian in its next release. The alpha version is now available.
[04:14] <Dr_willis> Popular?
[04:15] <stdin> mike: so what's the error?
[04:16] <thoreauputic> Dr_willis: the funny part is that they claim it's because they want more regular updates, and they are going with Debian Etch :)
[04:16] <thehcdreamer> when i'm trying to run ./configure, it get this error:checking for X... configure: error: Can't find X libraries
[04:16] <Dr_willis> Yea - i found that claim some what.. flakey..
[04:16] <stdin> !compile | thehcdreamer
[04:16] <ubotu> thehcdreamer: Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for pre-built !packages first: not all !repositories are enabled by default!)
[04:16] <mike> says probably a buffer underun, try slower speed. Tried all speeds no go
[04:16] <stdin> thehcdreamer: you need xorg-dev
[04:16] <Dr_willis> people are 'update to the latest version addicts' it seems...
[04:17] <mike> line 60 in the paste shows Supported modes: blank
[04:17] <Dr_willis> I find it hard to put trust in a disrto that does such racical changes every few months..
[04:17] <thehcdreamer> stdin, thanks
[04:17] <mike> line 64 & 65 shows illegal mode for this drive?
[04:18] <stdin> mike: try burning is sao ?
[04:19] <mike> k3b dont give me teh option, tried gnomebaker, and tried all modes listeed in it, same eror
[04:19] <mike> even raw errors with illegal write mode for this drive?
[04:19] <noaxess_kubuntu> there is an option to install kubuntu 7.04 with driver update cd.. where can i get this?
[04:22] <genii> noaxess_kubuntu: If you had some piece of equipment that came with a driver disk for ubuntu you would put the driver disk in at that point
[04:23] <noaxess_kubuntu> genii: ok.. i see.. there is the message "please instert the driver cd and press enter" :))
[04:27] <Kostuch> wassup, i've just move from opensuse to kubuntu, where i can change resolution? (there i had sax2)
[04:27] <Dr_willis> You got the proper video card drivers set up yet? Nvidia/ati/other?
[04:27] <Kostuch> nividia
[04:27] <Dr_willis> !fixres
[04:27] <ubotu> The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type  sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart  in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[04:28] <Dr_willis> I always install the 'restricted-manager' program and let it install the nvidia card drivers for me. ;)
[04:28] <Dr_willis> !info restricted-manager
[04:28] <ubotu> restricted-manager: manage non-free hardware drivers. In component main, is optional. Version 0.20 (feisty), package size 32 kB, installed size 300 kB
[04:28] <BluesKaj> Kostuch:  k-menu/system settings/monitor&display/admin mode
[04:29] <Dr_willis> Yea. if the drivers are set up right - you shoudl be able to change the res's where BluesKaj  said.
[04:29] <Dr_willis> Some times ya got to tweak them a little manually.
[04:29] <daquino> every time i run apt-get it keeps telling i can remove a bunch of packages if i feel like it cause they aren't needed anymore but really they are needed !!! they are like knotes and other stuff...
[04:30] <Kostuch> ok the screen wast ok :D icons were too big (as for me :D)
[04:30] <BluesKaj> Dr_willis: yup, usually depends on the drivers :)
[04:31] <Kostuch> thx
[04:31] <imagine> is there an option with ssh to force it to not use ssh-key and ask for a password straight away ?
[04:35] <andersin> imagine: you can use your ssh_config with the PubkeyAuthentication config option
[04:35] <jhutchins> imagine: That's what mine does by default.
[04:36] <andersin> jhutchins: really, as far as I know, the default is first key and then password
[04:36] <imagine> yes.. I want the opposite to happen
[04:37] <swilson> does anyone know how to stop this "cannot create directory `/usr/local/firefox': Permission denied"
[04:38] <jhutchins> swilson: Did you run a gui application with sudo?
[04:38] <swilson> i dont know what that is
[04:38] <swilson> i just followed the directions off the site
[04:39] <runlevelten> what site?
[04:39] <swilson> im new to linux
[04:39] <runlevelten> did you install firefox properly using apt/synaptic/add remove programs, or did you download it from the firefox website?
[04:39] <swilson> a website
[04:39] <swilson> my adpt thingy is messed up i think
[04:40] <swilson> it doesnt install things and im missing files and stuff
[04:40] <andersin> imagine: edit your .ssh/config
[04:40] <imagine> kk
[04:40] <imagine> will do
[04:40] <andersin> and try PubkeyAuthentication no
[04:40] <andersin> or PreferredAuthentication keyboard
[04:41] <andersin> and if you only want this for a particular host, you can put Host www.example.com before that
[04:41] <andersin> if you want all hosts, try Host *
[04:41] <runlevelten> swilson: you'll have to fix that problem before you do anything else. You can't go around finding every app you want in a web browser and downloading it, that's not user friendly at all
[04:41] <runlevelten> How do you know it's not installing programs?
[04:42] <swilson> i dont know how to use linux
[04:43] <swilson> do what fire?
[04:43] <jhutchins> swilson: Well, first off, when something like adept is broken, you don't work around it and try to keep going, you fix it.
[04:43] <BluesKaj> what's the proper setting in xkb options for turning off capslock ... i find the settings under capslock key behaviour confusing to say the least :)
[04:43] <swilson> well i dont know how to use the packages in the first place
[04:43] <Assid> err.. how do i check whether my filesystem will allow largefile ?
[04:44] <runlevelten> That's cool. We all start out new at some point. If you use adept or synaptic and install stuff, you won;t get an installer pop up like in windows.
[04:44] <swilson> i just know that there are like 5 things that still need to be installed
[04:44] <runlevelten> swilson: it just does its business, then you look in your menu and find it (if appropriate)
[04:44] <nicolai_> !aptfix | swilson
[04:44] <ubotu> swilson: If Adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole:  sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a 
[04:45] <runlevelten> right. I must leave you in the hands of the other users swilson. Be lucky :)
[04:45] <Assid> tune2fs right ?
[04:45] <swilson> it didnt crash it just wont install the rest of what it was installing :(
[04:45] <swilson> bye and thanks
[04:45] <swilson> whats !aptfix? do i type that in the terminal thing?
[04:46] <_Shade_> can i install kde4 beta on kubuntu feisty?
[04:50] <Assid> hey. how do i know if the filesystem can hold more than 2GB files.
[04:51] <Assid> Filesystem features:      has_journal resize_inode dir_index filetype needs_recovery sparse_super large_file
[04:51] <genii> 2Gb should be no problem if the drive is not smaller than that
[04:52] <genii> 2Tb might be another issue
[04:52] <Assid> err. abovve
[04:52] <Assid> i know you need this large filesystem support to handle over 2GB
[04:54] <bjwebb> hi
[05:02] <berkes> does anyone know where I can find some general IRC stats? I am looking for a rough estimation of amount users on various networks.
[05:05] <Ahmuck> what type of wireless discovery tools are available for kubuntu?
[05:07] <BluesKaj> berkes: uhm this ain't the right room for that .
[05:09] <stdin> Ahmuck: knetowrkmanager for a GUI or "iwlist scan" for CLI
[05:10] <Ahmuck> k, i have knetworkmanager installed, but maybe i am missing something, as it's not picking up my home wireless
[05:11] <bjwebb> Ahmuck: is your card supported?
[05:11] <nosrednaekim> Ahmuck: are you using ndiswrapper?
[05:15] <Ahmuck> nosrednaekim: i tired ndiswrapper, but it did not work, so i used bcm-fwcutter
[05:15] <Ahmuck> and now the wireless is working, but it does not appear to be picking up an ip address
[05:16] <Ahmuck> in windows there is this program called net something that will allow you to see different networks as you come in range of them
[05:16] <Ahmuck> i was hoping for something similiar in linux
[05:16] <stdin> yeah, that's knetworkmanager in kubuntu
[05:17] <Ahmuck> hrm, i guess i need to go to the local library and see if i can pick up there.  i have a presentation there this evening
[05:17] <elite101> hey how do u uninstall programs from wine?
[05:17] <stdin> Ahmuck: see if you can find any access points in konsole "iwlist scan"
[05:17] <Ahmuck> ptlo        Interface doesn't support scanning.
[05:17] <Ahmuck> eth0      Interface doesn't support scanning.
[05:17] <Ahmuck> eth1      No scan results
[05:18] <Ahmuck> elite101: depending on your version of wine, there is a menu item that allows you to do this
[05:18] <elite101> ahh
[05:18] <Ahmuck> system --> wine uninstaller
[05:18] <elite101> well i probably have older version
[05:18] <stdin> elite101: try wineconfig and winecfg too
[05:18] <elite101> well i am installing XBC and there is no unistaller for the program
[05:19] <nomad111> to run graphical apps as root in kubuntu, should i use gksu ?
[05:19] <nomad111> or just sudo?
[05:19] <nosrednaekim> Ahmuck: what does iwconfig say?
[05:19] <nomad111> oh actually its kdesu
[05:19] <Ahmuck> nomad111: i use sudo
[05:19] <nomad111> forgot all about it
[05:19] <Ahmuck> th1      IEEE 802.11b/g  ESSID:"Sparrow"  Nickname:"Broadcom 4306"
[05:19] <Ahmuck>           Mode:Managed  Frequency=2.484 GHz  Access Point: Invalid
[05:19] <Ahmuck>           Bit Rate=11 Mb/s   Tx-Power=19 dBm
[05:19] <Ahmuck>           RTS thr:off   Fragment thr:off
[05:19] <Ahmuck>           Link Quality=0/100  Signal level=-256 dBm  Noise level=-256 dBm
[05:19] <Ahmuck>           Rx invalid nwid:0  Rx invalid crypt:0  Rx invalid frag:0
[05:19] <Ahmuck>           Tx excessive retries:0  Invalid misc:0   Missed beacon:0
[05:20] <Ahmuck> ah, so it looks like it's connected?
[05:20] <nomad111> for some reason my ntfs external hard disk is not getting mounted
[05:20] <elite101> how do i run a program without shortcuts? wine>xbc? in konsole
[05:21] <Ahmuck> brb, i am going to check the ssid of the router
[05:21] <nomad111> !ntfs
[05:21] <ubotu> To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions . For write access see !ntfs-3g or !fuse
[05:21] <nosrednaekim> !paste | Ahmuck
[05:21] <ubotu> Ahmuck: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[05:21] <elite101> how do i run a program without a shourtcut from WINE?
[05:22] <Ahmuck> elite101: create a shortcut on your menu
[05:22] <elite101> how?
[05:22] <elite101> ohh lol
[05:22] <elite101> k
[05:22] <elite101> 1sec
[05:22] <elite101> k how do i configure it?
[05:23] <nosrednaekim> elite101: the menu?
[05:23] <stdin> elite101: you run (or make a shortcut with the command), wine /path/to/file.exe (or wine "c:\Program Files\App\app.exe" )
[05:23] <elite101> okay
[05:23] <Ahmuck> whoot, it's working !!
[05:23] <elite101> but there is one prob
[05:24] <elite101> when i installed XBC there is only a skin builder and not the acutal program?
[05:24] <elite101> not even in the WINE menu
[05:24] <nosrednaekim> Ahmuck: wrong essid?
[05:24] <stdin> elite101: try the wine site or support channel #winehq
[05:25] <Ahmuck> nosrednaekim: no, the wireless strobes ... so it goes on/off until i tell it to connect.  not sure why, but i noticed it ealier
[05:25] <Ahmuck> maybe i'm just imagining things
[05:25] <nosrednaekim> thats odd.
[05:25] <nosrednaekim> it may be the slightly unstable driver.
[05:26] <nomad111> i really dont get this
[05:26] <nomad111> one of my external hardisk's partitions is not getting mounted
[05:27] <nomad111> and i cant figure out why
[05:27] <nomad111> its ntfs
[05:27] <runlevelten> caveat: some (a fair few) windows programs being run under wine require you to cd /path/to/the.exe && wine the.exe
[05:30] <swilson> my packet manager wont open how do i erase the last entry?
[05:30] <nomad111> how do i get it to mount correctly
[05:30] <nomad111> when i plug in the hdd
[05:31] <nomad111> the fat 32 partition is detected
[05:31] <nomad111> and the i also get the autorun dialog for the ntfs partition but when i choose to browse nothing happens
[05:43] <ryaren> hi
[05:43] <ryaren> I've just installed the latest 9639 nvidia driver but it doesn't work because of fail to load nvidia kernel module . dmesg says module is loaded but the type of this module is 7184.
[05:43] <ryaren>  I think this is the problem but I don't know how to fix it...
[05:45] <Daisuke_Ido> you need to recompile the kernel module.  did you install from the repos?
[05:45] <ryaren> repos?
[05:45] <Daisuke_Ido> repositories
[05:45] <ryaren> I installed that file what i downloaded from nvidia.com
[05:45] <Daisuke_Ido> well that wasn't very bright
[05:46] <Daisuke_Ido> !nvidia
[05:46] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[05:46] <Daisuke_Ido> and...
[05:46] <Daisuke_Ido> !repos
[05:46] <ubotu> The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[05:46] <combo> - how to turn on a transparency on K-panel?
[05:46] <Daisuke_Ido> both of those will help you out tremendously :)
[05:46] <stdin> ryaren: you'll have to remove the driver you installed before you install the package
[05:47] <ryaren> I removed
[05:47] <stdin> combo: right click > configure panel >appearance
[05:47] <combo> ok - i made it (sry ;P)
[05:47] <combo> stdin: found that - thx :)
[05:50] <ryaren> Do I have to remove nvidia-common package?
[05:51] <stdin> no, you need that for the package to work
[05:51] <ryaren> ok
[05:53] <ninher> hi
[05:54] <runlevelten> Hello.
[05:57] <applesin> hi all. can some body say why i (yesterday it worked, now - so) see on loading: "waiting for root file system" /dev/xxx does not exist, next i see busybox (ls /dev - empty). from the live-cd all my /dev/xxx is working
[05:58] <drgeb> anyone know why when I reboot my drives are mapped differently ? so drive that used to be /dev/sda is now /dev/sdg? I have 6 drives in my computer.
[06:01] <andre_pl> what repo do I have to add in order to install kde4 beta 1 on ubuntu (not kubuntu, I am currently using gnome)
[06:02] <stdin> andre_pl: it's not quite ready on feisty yet, it will be in -backports tho
[06:07] <jhutchins> drgeb: Use UUID's.  It's a kludge, but it works.
[06:08] <jhutchins> applesin: That might solve your problems as well.
[06:09] <applesin> jhutchins: UUID?
[06:09] <andre_pl> stdin, do I need to add a kubuntu repository? or just add backports to the normal line in apt?
[06:10] <jhutchins> !uuid | applesin
[06:10] <ubotu> applesin: To see a list of your devices/partitions and their corresponding UUID's, run this command in a !shell:  blkid  (see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LibAtaForAtaDisks for the rationale behind the transition to UUID)
[06:10] <stdin> andre_pl: they'll be in -backports, no need fot a kubuntu.org repository
[06:10] <pag> andre_pl, ubuntu, kubuntu, xubuntu and edubuntu all share the same repositories
[06:10] <andre_pl> i thought so, i wasnt 100% sure thougrh.
[06:11] <stdin> pag: the kde4 packages used to be in a kubuntu.org repo
[06:11] <andre_pl> I really want to move back to KDE, I missed it.
[06:11] <applesin> jhutchins: i have no problems to get access to devices from live-cd
[06:11] <pag> stdin, two months ago iirc :)
[06:11] <stdin> yep :p
[06:11] <sharris> davie
[06:12] <drforshaw> hi there buddy1
[06:12] <jhutchins> applesin: That's a completely different system.  /dev on the CD is not /dev on the HD.
[06:12] <sharris> found a new site
[06:12] <drforshaw> i wee both did
[06:12] <miles> hey im just letting you guys know, ive been tearing it up on linux all day at work
[06:12] <sharris> http:www.scotziamodz.com
[06:12] <drforshaw> visit now www.scotziamodz.co.uk and join the forum!
[06:12] <jhutchins> !spam
[06:12] <ubotu> Unsure how you should behave on this channel? See !AskTheBot, !CoC, !Guidelines, !Offtopic, !Language, !Attitude, !Repeat, !Enter, !Paste, !NickSpam - and most importantly, use common sense :-)
[06:13] <stdin> !ot | sharris, drforshaw
[06:13] <ubotu> sharris, drforshaw: #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[06:13] <drforshaw> thanks
[06:16] <swilson> se i cant open my packet manager
[06:16] <swilson> lame
[06:16] <su-hoens`rZ> anyone know why the kubuntu alt cd installer doesn't locate 3 of my 4 sata drives even though the bios and the main cd find them fine? :(
[06:17] <pag> swilson, any error?
[06:17] <swilson> can someone tell me how to delete repositories
[06:17] <swilson> well
[06:17] <stdin> swilson: kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list <- to edit repositories
[06:17] <pag> swilson, kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list  and comment / delete the unneeded ones
[06:19] <swilson> holy wow thanks
[06:23] <lemacs> hi, any ArchLinux User here?
[06:24] <cloakable> No, we're Kubuntu users :P
[06:24] <applesin>  #archlinux
[06:24] <apachelogger> indeed :P
[06:24] <lemacs> applesin: thx
[06:25] <lemacs> cloakable: i'm a kubuntu user for years. but now i am going to switch to archlinux
[06:25] <cloakable> lemacs: good luck :)
[06:26] <swilson> what does "su: Authentication failure" mean? and why does the thing keep sayin permission denied?
[06:26] <pacman_> I'm having a problem with my wireless...anytime I attempt to connect, it goes to 28% and says 'configuring device' but goes no further...
[06:26] <pag> !root | swilson
[06:26] <ubotu> swilson: do not try to guess the root password, that is impossible. Instead, realise the truth.. there is no root password. Then you will see that it is sudo that grants you access and not the root password. Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo
[06:27] <swilson> i thought the password was my login >.< i didnt know there was another password
[06:27] <pag> swilson, depends... what command are you trying to run
[06:28] <swilson> im trying to install firefox and it said to do that before # mv firefox* /usr/local/bin/
[06:28] <pag> oh.. wrong way.
[06:28] <swilson> when i got further it said permission denied when i tried to move it to usr/local
[06:28] <pag> !software | swilson
[06:28] <ubotu> swilson: A general introduction to the ways software can be installed, removed and managed in Ubuntu can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoftwareManagement - See also !Packages, !Equivalents
[06:28] <sudeep> any way to have "Computer" icon on destkop??
[06:28] <pag> swilson, so in short: open konsole and type: sudo apt-get install mozilla-firefox
[06:29] <jhutchins> Can we put a big, blinking window on the default desktop that says "DO NOT INSTALL FIREFOX FROM THE MOZILLA WEB SITE!"?
[06:29] <applesin> s/mozilla-firefox/opera/
[06:29] <sudeep>  any way to have "Computer" icon on destkop??
[06:29] <pag> sudeep, yeah. Should it also do something? :P
[06:29] <lemacs> jhutchins: why?
[06:29] <pacman_> I'm having a problem with my wireless...anytime I attempt to connect, it goes to 28% and says 'configuring device' but goes no further...
[06:29] <jhutchins> !firefox
[06:29] <ubotu> firefox is the default web-browser on Ubuntu. To install the latest version, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FirefoxNewVersion Installing plugins: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FirefoxPlugins
[06:30] <stdin> sudeep: just create a link to "system:/"
[06:30] <jhutchins> lemacs: Installing packages outside the apt system breaks the system; mozilla's installers are notoriously sloppy and leave permanent garbage on your disk, there's no need to...
[06:32] <lemacs> jhutchins: got it. you means they should install firefox from apt-get.
[06:32] <sudeep> i have 2 win partition, C & D, both are mounted automatically, but one (C) is shown in my desktop while other is not (D), also in fstab there is no UUID for D drive, is this the reason , ?
[06:33] <lemacs> sudeep: you can edit /etc/fstab manually
[06:34] <sudeep> lamacs, can i give UUID manually to vfat partition ??
[06:34] <stdin> lemacs: there is also a GUI in system settings
[06:34] <stdin> sudeep: ^ for you too
[06:35] <stdin> sudeep: to get the UUID use the command line tool "blkid" in konsole
[06:35] <lemacs> sudeep: no, you can just use "/dev/sda1" instead of uuid
[06:35] <stdin> sudeep: or "vol_id -u /dev/whatever"
[06:35] <jenny__> Mornin :)
[06:36] <swilson> i can see firefox and macromedia thing in add/remove but i cant click on anything
[06:37] <sharris> what other rooms is there on here?
[06:37] <pag> swilson, try apt-get - it at least has reasonable error-messages
[06:38] <jhutchins> !uuid | sudeep
[06:38] <ubotu> sudeep: To see a list of your devices/partitions and their corresponding UUID's, run this command in a !shell:  blkid  (see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LibAtaForAtaDisks for the rationale behind the transition to UUID)
[06:38] <pag> sharris, lots of. too many to list.
[06:38] <sharris> how do you access them>
[06:38] <calicampo> Hello, how can I mount a floppy disk in ubuntu, I am having troubles with the sda1
[06:38] <pag> sharris, /join #channelname
[06:38] <pag> !floppy | calicampo
[06:38] <ubotu> calicampo: To mount floppy disks, see here : https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MakeFloppyDriveAvailableToEveryone
[06:38] <sharris> thanks you
[06:38] <_Shade_> anyone tried the kde4 beta?
[06:39] <jhutchins> sharris: Theare are literally thousands of channels, if you do a /list it will probably blow you right off the server.
[06:39] <calicampo> thanks
[06:39] <stdin> sharris: there is a list of ubuntu channels here https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InternetRelayChat#head-729211ea4fb3c5b535d3d8a533dbc007c8dbce14
[06:39] <pag> _Shade_, it hasn't really hit the servers yet..
[06:39] <jhutchins> sharris: Your IRC client may have a channel search function, or you can find a searchable list at freenode.
[06:39] <H4xC0r> hi a lot
[06:40] <combo> - where can i find a guide 'how to install AIGLX for ATI on DAPPER DRAKE' ?? :)
[06:40] <_Shade_> pag: really? so what did i download :)
[06:40] <H4xC0r> i would you like to add the new exploit in my metasploit framwork-2.7?
[06:40] <jhutchins> !ati | combo
[06:40] <ubotu> combo: To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[06:40] <pacman_> 3992 channels
[06:40] <combo> jhutchins: thx :)
[06:40] <pag> _Shade_, apt-cache policy kde4base  <- what does that tell
[06:41] <stdin> combo: AIGLX doesn't work on ATI (at least not for dapper)
[06:41] <swilson> E: Could not open lock file /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (13 Permission denied)
[06:41] <swilson> everything i do it always says denied
[06:41] <_Shade_> pag:  3.91.0-0ubuntu3~feisty1
[06:41] <pag> _Shade_, looks like alpha2
[06:42] <_Shade_> pag: damn
[06:42] <pag> swilson, you have adept open?
[06:42] <swilson> no i closed it
[06:42] <swilson> do i need it open?
[06:42] <pag> !aptfix | swilson
[06:42] <ubotu> swilson: If Adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole:  sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a 
[06:43] <_Shade_> pag: i wanted to give it a go but when i select it's session in kdm all i got is an empty black screen for a second and then it goes back to my login screen
[06:43] <Assid> hey
[06:43] <Assid> can someone help me get a scanner working with kubuntu
[06:43] <Assid> ive just recently installed it.. and i cant seem to set this to do it
[06:44] <swilson> i have 7 packages and they say "BREAK"install" but whats with the permission denied
[06:44] <pag> _Shade_, well.. even beta1 doesn't probably work correctly - alpha2 "works" even worse
[06:44] <feierfox> how to clean the history in the konquerer?
[06:44] <_Shade_> pag: but maybe i could log into this somehow?
[06:44] <combo> stdin: so where i can find XGL installation guide? :/ i just want to make my screensaver work well (cuz now - rendering: NO) it works horrible :/
[06:45] <pag> _Shade_, see the instructions at kubuntu.org - I haven't tried kde4, so I can't really help
[06:45] <Assid> combo your using nvidia ?
[06:45] <stdin> combo: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/Xgl
[06:45] <combo> Assid: ATI
[06:45] <combo> Assid: ATI Radeon 9600
[06:45] <combo> stdin: ok, i'll try that
[06:46] <_Shade_> pag: well they suggest to use xephyr-xserver and start kde from it's xterm but i don't know how can i call the xterm in xephyr
[06:46] <pag> feierfox, settings -> configure konqueror -> history sidebar -> clear
[06:47] <stdin> _Shade_: the guide tells you the command to run
[06:47] <_Shade_> stdin: yeah it's Xephyr :1; export DISPLAY=:1; xterm but it doesn't open any xterm window
[06:48] <_Shade_> stdin: just a separate window with xephyr running and a pointer
[06:48] <stdin> _Shade_: what page is that from?
[06:49] <_Shade_> stdin: kubuntu.org
[06:49] <stdin> _Shade_: the alpha2 page or the beta1 page?
[06:49] <_Shade_> stdin: the beta one
[06:50] <stdin> _Shade_: refresh the page, it's beed updated
[06:51] <_Shade_> stdin: i think it's all the same command though
[06:52] <stdin> _Shade_: nope, tere's an '&' in there now
[06:52] <_Shade_> stdin: i have it at least
[06:53] <_Shade_> stdin: i don't have it... could you please paste what they wrote then?
[06:53] <stdin> _Shade_: "Xephyr :1 & export DISPLAY=:1; xterm"
[06:54] <ackbahr> Hi there! Is there a way to make Ubuntu accept some HD space as fake RAM? I've got this RAM expensive calculation that needn't be real-time....
[06:55] <stdin> ackbahr: that's what swap is for
[06:55] <llutz> ackbahr: add a swapfile if needed
[06:55] <swilson> how come i can see the programs in add/remove but i cant click on the box?
[06:56] <pag> swilson, have you ran it with kdesu ? (iow. have you entered your passwd before the app launched?)
[06:57] <swilson> i havent the slightest idea as to what that is but i made it to a password thing after "su" and it said authenticate failure
[06:57] <_Shade_> stdin: ok it works but i have this "csn't open home/user/.kde4/share/config/startupconfig"
[06:58] <stdin> _Shade_: try this "cp ~/.kde/share/config/startupconfig ~/.kde4/share/config/startupconfig"
[06:58] <pag> swilson, try kdesu adept_installer  from the alt+f2 -prompt
[06:58] <ackbahr> stdin: Well, I have a swap partition of course, but the prog I have doesn't seem to take it into account (crashes when I suggest it to use a memory < RAM + Swap)....
[06:59] <_Shade_> stdin: you mean in xephyr or just in my usual session? or it doesn;t matter
[06:59] <stdin> _Shade_: doens't matter
[06:59] <swilson> in short it said "bad device" and "Illegal priority: rompt"
[06:59] <jhutchins> !info xephyr
[06:59] <ubotu> Package xephyr does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas
[06:59] <stdin> ackbahr: well any swap file will be used the same as swap partition
[07:00] <jhutchins> !find xephyr
[07:00] <ubotu> Found: xserver-xephyr
[07:00] <ackbahr> stdin: Ok.... So I can go and buy RAM, I reckon?
[07:00] <jhutchins> !info xerver-xephyr
[07:00] <ubotu> Package xerver-xephyr does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas
[07:00] <pag> ok... I always thought Adept was buggy, but I never knew it was *so* buggy :-/
[07:00] <jhutchins> !info xserver-xephyr
[07:00] <ubotu> xserver-xephyr: Next Generation Nested X Server. In component universe, is optional. Version 2:1.2.0-3ubuntu8 (feisty), package size 1523 kB, installed size 3844 kB
[07:00] <pag> swilson, try apt-get - it doesn't have a fancy GUI, but at least it works
[07:01] <pag> swilson, ie. sudo apt-get install firefox  will install firefox and so on..
[07:02] <ackbahr> llutz: Were you suggesting a swap partition, too?
[07:02] <swilson> E: Could not open lock file /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (13 Permission denied)
[07:02] <pag> !aptfix | swilson
[07:02] <ubotu> swilson: If Adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole:  sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a 
[07:02] <swilson> its not crashed
[07:02] <swilson> i can open and close it
[07:03] <llutz> ackbahr: if your swap isn't used yet, a swapfile is useless
[07:03] <pag> swilson, open konsole and type " id "  can you see adm and/or admin there?
[07:03] <ackbahr> llutz: And if it is (wouldn't hibernate, for example), how do I set a swap file?
[07:04] <swilson> groups=4(adm)
[07:04] <swilson> 111(admin)
[07:04] <pag> swilson, try running that command the ubotu gave you - might be malformed lockfile
[07:05] <llutz> ackbahr: http://nopaste.org/p/a0EJy3gTs
[07:05] <stdin> swilson: use sudo
[07:05] <ackbahr> llutz: Great, thanks
[07:05] <swilson> apparently i dont have that command and sudo what?
[07:06] <pag> swilson, "you don't have that command"? :O
[07:06] <swilson> bash: ubotu: command not found
[07:06] <swilson> im so new to linux sorry to bother you >.<
[07:07] <harmental> guys...i was wondering if it possible to make Konversation transparent (as with Konsole)...but i dont find the way to do that...any hints?
[07:08] <lopin> Okay, anyone up for a challenge?
[07:08] <pag> swilson, sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a   <- that command
[07:09] <swilson> kill process?
[07:09] <pag> huh
[07:10] <swilson> Kill process 6014 ? (y/N)
[07:10] <Jan-Willem> hi
[07:10] <pag> swilson, you should colse adept(s)
[07:10] <pag> Jan-Willem, hello.
[07:11] <lopin> Okay...  If anyone knows a LOT about partitioning and booting off of floppies...  Get a hold of me, cause I need help...
[07:11] <swilson> okay i closed it and now it didnt say anything when i typed it in
[07:11] <stdin> just ask the question, or no one can answer lopin
[07:11] <pag> swilson, try now: sudo apt-get install firefox
[07:13] <swilson> i dont think it worked it said done done Package firefox is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[07:13] <pag> swilson, replace firefox with  mozilla-firefox
[07:13] <swilson> i dont know how to do that >.> i dont even know where it is
[07:13] <stdin> is that breezy or somethin
[07:13] <Jan-Willem> any1 knows about health chatroom?
[07:13] <pag> swilson, sudo apt-get install mozilla-firefox
[07:14] <swilson> oh
[07:14] <lopin> I started out trying to move some free space off of my windows partition to put some more space onto my document drive so I could finish transfering my music and stuff over, but partition magic won't start, cause it can't place one partition to a drive letter.  I thought about doing it in linux, but it won't play nice with the lovely NTFS, so I'm pretty much out of one of my OS's...  I was thinking about getting rid of windows, but then I won't be able to
[07:14] <lopin> boot, cause I have linux outside of the boot sector, so does anyone know of some way to partition off of a boot FLOPPY, cuase I can't boot off of CD or USB?...
[07:14] <_Shade_> stdin: i don't know whether it's alpha or beta but i have to say it's damn fast... maybe it's because there's not much here yet :)
[07:14] <su-hoens> so i tried dmraid -ay but it said no raid disks, when i do dmraid -b, however, it finds all 4 sata drives... wtf?
[07:14] <su-hoens> so i tried dmraid -ay but it said no raid disks, when i do dmraid -b, however, it finds all 4 sata drives... wtf?
[07:15] <su-hoens> oops sry
[07:15] <swilson> it did the same thing but now it doesnt say "However the following packages replace it:libnss3"
[07:15] <stdin> _Shade_: did it have plasma? if it did then it was the beta, if not then it's alpha2
[07:15] <_Shade_> stdin: i don't eb
[07:16] <pag> swilson, which version are you running? type: lsb_release -a
[07:16] <_Shade_> sprry
[07:16] <_Shade_> stdin: i don't even know how can i check it
[07:16] <swilson> this? Release:        6.06
[07:16] <swilson> Description:    Ubuntu 6.06 LTS
[07:16] <pag> swilson, yup, that.
[07:17] <_Shade_> stdin: but i think it doesn't
[07:17] <_Shade_> but who knows... :)
[07:17] <lopin> Can anyone help me...
[07:17] <stdin> !anyone | lopin
[07:17] <ubotu> lopin: A large amount of the first questions asked in this channel start with "Does anyone/anybody..."  Why not ask your next question (the real one) and find out?
[07:18] <pag> swilson, try with adept...
[07:18] <lopin> DOES ANYONE KNOW HOW TO BOOT GPARTED OFF OF A FLOPPY?!
[07:19] <swilson> what do you mean?
[07:19] <pag> !caps | lopin
[07:19] <ubotu> lopin: PLEASE DON'T SHOUT! We can read lowercase too.
[07:19] <lopin> I need to boot a partition editor off of a floppy disk...
[07:19] <lopin> ubotu: I know...  I'm trying to express my frustration...
[07:19] <pag> swilson, launch adept manager, type firefox and see if you can install it
[07:20] <Assid> err.. anyone knowe any good X downloader ?  similar to the likes of getright
[07:20] <swilson> in add/remove programs i saw alot of things i tried to install but couldnt click on it
[07:20] <stdin> _Shade_: does it look like this: http://www.flickr.com/photos/10897810@N05/998235343/
[07:20] <Ahmuck> hi.  there is some movie studio software called jok something?  anybody remember
[07:21] <swilson> in addept i see "libraw1394-5" and "mozilla-firefox-locale-en-gb
[07:21] <swilson> adept*
[07:21] <stdin> check your repositories
[07:21] <Assid> anyone ?
[07:22] <ChurruKa> hi! i've just installed kubuntu and, when i start, kernel panics with a "init: Error parsing configuration: No such file or directory". /etc is on a separate ext3 partition and i think that's the problem. do i need to load something or pass extra config parameters to the kernel at boot to mount /boot before init starts?
[07:24] <_Shade_> stdin: it's very simillar but not quite like this... but i think the only difference is that i haven't got so many kicker icons
[07:24] <genii> ChurruKa: You have /boot and /etc and /  on separate partitions?
[07:24] <ChurruKa> yes
[07:25] <llutz> ChurruKa: who told you to do so? stupid idea (imho)
[07:25] <stdin> _Shade_: that's ok, as long as that background looks the same it's got plasma in there. try moving your mouse over the "Desktop Toolbox"
[07:26] <ChurruKa> :(
[07:26] <genii> ChurruKa: OK, are you on a livecd right now?
[07:26] <_Shade_> stdin: it shows two plasmoids i think
[07:26] <ChurruKa> yes
[07:26] <_Shade_> the clock and the button
[07:27] <genii> Churruka: Do you know the exact partitions you used for each of those? eg: hda3 for /etc or so on
[07:27] <stdin> _Shade_: when kicker eventually get's replaced plasmoids will come in to their own
[07:27] <ChurruKa> yes
[07:27] <ChurruKa> ....
[07:28] <ChurruKa> no, wait a second, i'll mount the root somewhere to see fstab
[07:28] <AscendedDaniel_> my Knetworkmanager hangs at 28% when trying to configure my usb-wifi adapter (Netgear WG111v2). What should I try to make it work?
[07:28] <genii> ChurruKa: OK
[07:28] <genii> AFK 2-3 minutes, work
[07:30] <_Shade_> stdin: nice... it's even better than it was on the screenshots... Even the oxygen icons looks nicer when it's full-screen :)
[07:31] <_Shade_> stdin: i didn't like these, because it remind me a gnome icons too much
[07:31] <ChurruKa> genii: i've found it
[07:31] <ChurruKa> :
[07:31] <ChurruKa> :)
[07:32] <stdin> _Shade_: you can get the kwin composite in the beta too, open krunner (alt-f2) and type in "kwin" then choose "Desktop effects". not sure if it runs in Xepher, but it runs in a full session for me
[07:33] <_Shade_> stdin: it's ok i have managed to run it as a separate session :)
[07:34] <_Shade_> stdin: i can't run krunner though
[07:34] <stdin> _Shade_: huh, why?
[07:34] <_Shade_> stdin: it simply doesn't appear
[07:35] <stdin> _Shade_: in a full session or Xepher?
[07:35] <_Shade_> full session
[07:35] <stdin> odd
[07:35] <stdin> _Shade_: try Kmenu -> Run command
[07:36] <jhutchins> You guys have too much money to spend on monitors.
[07:36] <_Shade_> stdin: the same
[07:36] <genii> back
[07:36] <genii> Chu
[07:36] <ubuntu> yes
[07:36] <genii> Damn he left
[07:36] <ChurruKa> it's me
[07:37] <stdin> _Shade_: odd, well it is beta :p
[07:37] <ChurruKa> experienced some problem with xorg
[07:37] <_Shade_> stdin: i had run it once... i'll try to re-log
[07:37] <genii> ChurruKa: Hah. OK. Do you know of the pastebin? We may have to look at the fstab and the menu.lst for grub
[07:38] <ChurruKa> yes, give me a second to upload them :)
[07:38] <genii> ChurruKa: OK. also useful would be the results of the commands:   fdisk -l    and blkid
[07:39] <pacman_> 3992 channels
[07:39] <pacman_> ack
[07:39] <pacman_> I'm having a problem with my wireless...anytime I attempt to connect, it goes to 28% and says 'configuring device' but goes no further...
[07:40] <_Shade_> stdin: krunner runs only once a session :)
[07:40] <stdin> well it !WorksForMe :)
[07:40] <_Shade_> stdin: but anyways i can't run kwin because it;s says it's already running
[07:41] <Daisuke_Ido> _Shade_: use --replace
[07:41] <_Shade_> stdin: lucky you :)
[07:41] <stdin> _Shade_: you don't run kwin, you run choose "Desktop effects"
[07:42] <stdin> s/run//
[07:42] <stdin> it comes up when you put "kwin" in
[07:43] <_Shade_> stdin: can i put it in konsole session?
[07:43] <stdin> I don't know the command, hold on
[07:45] <stdin> _Shade_: try running "kcmshell kwincompositing"
[07:46] <tfreire> I installed Kubuntu Feisty on my server, and it is giving an error on boot. I have 6 SATA disks, 4 on the onboad controller (nforce4), and 2 on a Sil 3512 PCI board. Kubuntu is installed on the 6th disk, and after the first 200GB (it shouldn't matter right?)
[07:47] <_Shade_> stdin: doesn't work... i mean it works but
[07:47] <tfreire> It cannot find the partition or something
[07:47] <_Shade_> stdin: findServiceByDesktopPath: kwincompositing.desktop not found
[07:48] <Daisuke_Ido> tfreire: i would say install it on one of the onboards
[07:48] <stdin> _Shade_: maybe not all the kde4-beta packages aren't built yet
[07:48] <tfreire> Daisuke_Idrate from Gentoo to Kubuntuo: I can't. the onboard ones area already occupied by a RAID + LVM2 partitioning scheme I wanted to mig
[07:48] <stdin> _Shade_: yeah, some are still building for feisty, give it a while
[07:49] <tfreire> Daisuke_Ido: I can't. the onboard ones area already occupied by a RAID + LVM2 partitioning scheme I wanted to migrate from Gentoo to Kubuntu
[07:49] <_Shade_> stdin: will i have this as a regular updates or... what? :)
[07:49] <Insane`KDE> Damnit
[07:49] <Insane`KDE> Lost a pc
[07:49] <tfreire> that's why I added 2 extra drives on a PCI card. and also to expand teh RAID
[07:49] <stdin> _Shade_: when the packages are built you'll get updates
[07:50] <_Shade_> stdin: ah i see
[07:50] <Insane`KDE> Linux stole my pc O.O
[07:50] <_Shade_> stdin: can't wait the update then
[07:50] <stdin> _Shade_: you can always build it from source :p
[07:51] <_Shade_> stdin: the whole environment seems to be a bit... raw at the moment
[07:51] <tfreire> I have 4 200GB drives onboard, and 2 400GB on teh PCI card. the plan is to swap the 200GB by 400GB eventually and expand all the VGs to use all this space
[07:51] <Insane`KDE> What'S that command called to check my partitions again?
[07:51] <dmuser> Has anyone here had any luck getting EDuke32 to work with nVidia drivers?  I'm having problems getting it to read libGL.so.1.2.xlibconfig
[07:51] <stdin> _Shade_: yeah, it's not like kde2 -> kde3, it's almost compleatly rewritten
[07:51] <_Shade_> stdin: don't try to kid me... i'm not a suicide :)
[07:52] <stdin> _Shade_: I've done it, took about a day to compile it all
[07:52] <_Shade_> stdin: not on my hardware :)
[07:52] <stdin> _Shade_: what you got?
[07:53] <Insane`KDE> I think it's called "dc" or "dh" or something and it has an argument -h for humanReadable. Anyone?
[07:53] <_Shade_> stdin: sounds good but i hope they will keep the functionality and feel from kde3... i am not going to learn something completely new again
[07:54] <_Shade_> stdin: intel celeron 2.8 ghz with 156 megs of ram here
[07:54] <fdoving> Insane`KDE: df -h
[07:54] <_Shade_> *256 even
[07:54] <tfreire> So, I am lookng for kernel parameters or something which I can do to make grub / initrd / kernel boot properly
[07:54] <Jan-Willem> insane what u need?
[07:54] <tfreire> or at least find the culprit
[07:54] <Insane`KDE> I forgot the f
[07:54] <Jan-Willem> what happen 2 pc?
[07:54] <Jan-Willem> ?
[07:55] <stdin> _Shade_: whell that's a better CPU that I have, I built it on a celeron M 1.7 wit 1GB ram
[07:55] <Daisuke_Ido> _Shade_: and you're trying compositing?  brave.
[07:55] <tfreire> I have installed grub on the same drive where the kubuntu installation resides.
[07:55] <Jan-Willem> f?
[07:55] <_Shade_> Daisuke_Ido: beryl works well on that, believe me
[07:55] <Insane`KDE> Jan-Willem: f as if "df -h". I forgot what the command was called
[07:56] <Insane`KDE> Jan-Willem: And my pc overheated and my mainboard got damaged badly
[07:56] <Jan-Willem> why did it over heat?
[07:56] <Jan-Willem> you know of health chat rooms?
[07:56] <Insane`KDE> Jan-Willem: No idea? DaSkreech told me to trya Ctrl + Shift + L, I did and KABOOM
[07:57] <_Shade_> Daisuke_Ido: well with some features disabled but it works well... at least what i need works well :)
[07:57] <jhutchins> Hm.  I thought that NTFS had file ownership, doesn't appear to.
[07:57] <Insane`KDE> Anyways, df-h doesn't get the unmounted partitions
[07:57] <Insane`KDE> How can I check them?
[07:58] <fdoving> Insane`KDE: you can't check for used/available space like that for unmounted partitions. you can however do a 'cat /proc/partitions' - or you could start qtparted
[07:58] <jhutchins> Insane`KDE: Check them for what?
[07:58] <jhutchins> Naah, sudo fdisk -l
[07:58] <_Shade_> stdin: do you know any screenshot sites of this version? Youtube links maybe?
[07:58] <Insane`KDE> Check them for disk space
[07:58] <Insane`KDE> I basically want to know how much HDD space I got left before instlaling linux
[07:59] <Insane`KDE> Great, now how can I make it output the sizes in human readable format?
[08:00] <stdin> _Shade_: the kde.org site has some, but it hasn't been out long enough for placed like youtube to have any content yet
[08:00] <Daisuke_Ido> df -ah ?
[08:01] <Insane`KDE> HAng on, now that I know my partitions I cna mount them and see
[08:01] <Insane`KDE> Daisuke_Ido: df only lists mounted partitions
[08:01] <jhutchins> perzactly.
[08:02] <Insane`KDE> Cool
[08:02] <Insane`KDE> Thanks, now I can install linux
[08:02] <Daisuke_Ido> what are you using now?
[08:05] <evri2> Guys is there a kde partition editor? Or i have to download Gparted?
[08:05] <pag> evri2, there's qparted too, but imho gparted is better
[08:06] <evri2> then i should install synaptic too.I think it is better than adept?
[08:07] <stdin> install/use what you want, it's your choice
[08:07] <pag> evri2, apt-* rocks both of them imho :D
[08:07] <genii> Argh, stupid work again. AFK
[08:07] <evri2> well working in KDE and using GTK apllications :p
[08:08] <stdin> I just use whatever works best for me. I don't care too much if it's Qt or GTK (tho I'd rather they be Qt)
[08:09] <Insane`KDE> Hey, I seem to have an error trying to install
[08:09] <Insane`KDE> I have two partitions, and I want to resize the second one from 12 GB to 8 GB and use the freed space
[08:10] <Insane`KDE> But linux gives me an error: "An error occurred writing the changes to disk. Resize operation aborted"
[08:10] <evri2> stdin so qparted or gparted? :P
[08:10] <stdin> gparted is less buggy right nwo
[08:10] <stdin> *now
[08:13] <_Shade_> stdin: fed up with kde4 :)... not much to test there... i have to wait for the update
[08:13] <Insane`KDE> help anybody? OTherwise I'll have to resort to dual-installing on the same partition, and I have no idea what'll happen then
[08:14] <memmy> i still can't figure out how to install flash...what do i do??
[08:14] <fdoving> !flash | memmy
[08:14] <ubotu> memmy: To install Flash see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/Flash - Flash 9 is now available in dapper-backports and edgy-backports - See also !Restricted and !Gnash
[08:14] <Insane`KDE> memmy: Have you done sudo apt-get flash?
[08:14] <Insane`KDE> *sudo apt-get install flash-free
[08:14] <stdin> _Shade_: there are some kde4 things you can get, type "apt-get install kde4<tab><tab>" you'll see a few
[08:15] <memmy> no how do i do that?
[08:15] <Insane`KDE> So is anybody gonna answer my problem or do I have to install linux and windows onto the same partition?
[08:15] <fdoving> memmy: go to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/Flash with a webbrowser, the page will describe how to install flash.
[08:16] <_Shade_> stdin: oh there are many packages there
[08:16] <stdin> _Shade_: yeah, you only installed the base package of kde4, ther's more fun to be had yet :p
[08:17] <sbun> hi
[08:18] <sbun> i just installed kubuntu, and got ndiswrapper etc. going, i filled in the connection details but knetworkmanager doesnt get past 28% when connecting, and it thinks the wireless card is eth1 now, instead of wlan0
[08:18] <Insane`KDE> OH well. After 10 minutes of re-asking, I don't think anybody'll answer me. I'll just install linux onto the same partition as windows.
[08:18] <sbun> whenever i try to enable it in the network settings it just disables it
[08:18] <_Shade_> stdin: i see..... much more interesting then
[08:19] <sbun> but ndis and wpa are working fine
[08:19] <sbun> if anyone has any idea whats up, let me know please
[08:20] <memmy> fdoving that page seems very helpful but i don't understand it
[08:20] <Insane`KDE> Maybe somebody at #ubuntu can help me..
[08:20] <sbun> Insane`KDE: i wouldnt count on it, but maybe :)
[08:20] <_Shade_> stdin: i added all of these :)... it would last some time in view of my rather poor brandwidth
[08:21] <_Shade_> stdin: err... i mean not all :) I haven't download some dev packages and sdk
[08:22] <genii> Insane`KDE: Several ppl responded to you to use the gparted or parted program to rezise
[08:23] <Insane`KDE> genii: Really? CAn't find a single message in my chat history
[08:23] <sbun> damn this wifi, maybe i should just invest in an ethernet cable
[08:24] <jdebolt> hey guys i just tryed to bootup the AMD 64 dvdr to install it and it just gos to black screen i have 2 monitors and a NVIDIA GeForce 6800 GT
[08:24] <jdebolt> i'm able to get to command line after it gos to black screen
[08:24] <Insane`KDE> jdebolt: Does startx work?
[08:25] <jdebolt> no
[08:25] <jdebolt> it will not start
[08:25] <jdebolt> i figer its not picking up my hardware
[08:25] <jdebolt> as in video card
[08:25] <jdebolt> is it a error with having 2 monitors or with the video card?
[08:26] <swilson> why do i keep getting "mkdir: cannot create directory `firefox': Permission denied" everything i do denied almost
[08:27] <memmy> what do i type in the section that says new repositories..like say i wanted to add multiverse..is that what i type?
[08:27] <Insane`KDE> Try sudo?
[08:29] <sbun> anyone experienced with getting kubuntu working with wifi + WPA?
[08:29] <sbun> its so close
[08:29] <sbun> and yet so far
[08:30] <Insane`KDE> Damnit
[08:30] <Insane`KDE> I'm supposed to run windows and shut down properly
[08:30] <Insane`KDE> damn windows
[08:30] <Insane`KDE> cya
[08:30] <sbun> cya
[08:33] <sbun> someone help me
[08:33] <sbun> or the kitten dies
[08:33] <sbun> http://mikecane.files.wordpress.com/2007/03/kitten.jpg
[08:39] <superdude3334> i have a kubuntu live cd for x86 and it wants a password. is there a default pass or something/
[08:39] <superdude3334> MOTD
[08:39] <superdude3334> wtf
[08:40] <sbun> lol
[08:40] <sbun> do i need network-manager as well as knetworkmanager?
[08:41] <sbun> and wpasupplicant?
[08:43] <Insane`KDE> Hey,
[08:44] <jink_> hey hi
[08:44] <Insane`KDE> installer tells me to have a 256 MB swap partition
[08:44] <jink_> does anybody know how to change the panal color
[08:44] <Insane`KDE> Where am I supposed to set the mount point to for the swap?
[08:44] <jink_> panel*
[08:44] <Insane`KDE> I tried /swap but it didn't recognize that
[08:45] <sbun> you dont need to label it as long as the fs is swap
[08:45] <Insane`KDE> Oh, so the fs is supposed to be swap? I get it
[08:48] <sbun> (19:47) <sbun> ok never mind
[08:48] <sbun> (19:47) <sbun> thanks for nothing
[08:48] <Insane`KDE> Question: can I install without a root password?
[08:48] <stdin> Insane`KDE: the default is to have root disabled
[08:49] <Insane`KDE> stdinThen what about account password?
[08:49] <Insane`KDE> I can't press "next" until I set one
[08:49] <stdin> your users password
[08:49] <Insane`KDE> What if I don'T want one?
[08:49] <jhutchins_wk> !sudo | Insane`KDE
[08:49] <ubotu> Insane`KDE: sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[08:49] <jhutchins_wk> !kdesu | Insane`KDE
[08:49] <ubotu> Insane`KDE: In KDE, use  kdesu  to run graphical applications with root privileges when you have to. Do *not* use  sudo <GUI application> ; you can muck up your permissions/config files. For what to use in GNOME, see !gksudo
[08:50] <stdin> Insane`KDE:  what? you need to have a user or you can't login
[08:50] <Insane`KDE> I know about sudo/kdesu, but I can't install without a user password
[08:50] <Insane`KDE> Yeah, but in winblows for example, you can make accounts without passwords
[08:50] <Insane`KDE> I don't want a password
[08:50] <stdin> well windows is stupid
[08:50] <Insane`KDE> If I'm forced to I'll simply use "(space)" but that's only a workaround
[08:51] <stdin> just picka a password
[08:51] <Insane`KDE> Grmph
[08:51] <Insane`KDE> That's the first time linux is /less/ flexible than windows
[08:51] <stdin> you *can* set a user to be able to login passwordless, but that's in secure
[08:52] <stdin> the users still needs a password anyway, to be able to use sudo/kdesu
[08:52] <Insane`KDE> insecure my ass. It's my pcc, nobody else here is interested in using it, I don't have any sensetive data on it..
[08:53] <Insane`KDE> brb: Getting a drink.
[08:53] <stdin> head > table ; repeat
[08:54] <arun> hey stdin, how are you
[08:55] <reldruh> does anybody know why networkmanager hangs at 28% when connectin to a wireless network? I have a broadcom card but it was doing this with an intel card for awhile, too
[08:55] <stdin> arun: ok, once I tave a pain killer
[08:55] <arun> stdin: oh? what's wrong
[08:55] <stdin> reldruh: is your network on DHCP?
[08:55] <reldruh> stdin: yes
[08:56] <stdin> reldruh: it's probably something to do with that. try settings the network settings in system settings manually
[08:57] <reldruh> stdin: what settings should I be looking at changing? And it doesn't just happen at home, this is with all wireless networks I try to connect to, encrypted or open
[08:57] <stdin> reldruh: just try settings the wireless settings in there, if that still fails try with a static IP
[09:01] <daniel[] > Hi, anyone knows a good p2p file sharing program for kubuntu ? for downloading songs and movies (legal ones of course)
[09:01] <nicolai_> daniel[] : Ktorrent?
[09:01] <stdin> !p2p | daniel[] 
[09:01] <ubotu> daniel[] : Conventional P2P clients: Limewire/GTK-Gnutella/Frostwire (Gnutella Network).  -  BitTorrent: see !torrent  -  Direct connect: try valknut.  -  Also see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/P2PFileSharing for general information.
[09:02] <daniel[] > thanks! nothing like a useful wiki..
[09:13] <linuxtk10> what is the default root password on the live cd ?
[09:13] <desarrollo02> hey
[09:13] <stdin> linuxtk10: there isn't one
[09:15] <el_isma> Hello. I'm having trouble with FF2. It doesn't let me install any extensions. It says that it will install them when I restart but they never get installed. What should I do?
[09:15] <jhutchins_wk> !sudo | linuxtk10
[09:15] <ubotu> linuxtk10: sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[09:15] <jhutchins_wk> !kdesu | linuxtk10
[09:16] <ubotu> linuxtk10: In KDE, use  kdesu  to run graphical applications with root privileges when you have to. Do *not* use  sudo <GUI application> ; you can muck up your permissions/config files. For what to use in GNOME, see !gksudo
[09:16] <jhutchins_wk> el_isma: Did you install firefox from apt, or from Mozilla?
[09:17] <el_isma> jhutchins_wk: Apt
[09:30] <pacman_> I'm having a problem with my wireless...anytime I attempt to connect, it goes to 28% and says 'configuring device' but goes no further...
[09:31] <MetaPhysical> How do i have a script run every time my lan interface goes up?
[09:33] <dec_> i have burned a number of dvds with devede and k3b and the sound is scratchy and you cannot hear, anyone have any answers as to what is going wrong
[09:33] <tfreire> is there a stable backport of firebird 2.0 for feisty, or will I have to wait for gutsy release?
[09:36] <dec_> i have burned a number of dvds with devede and k3b and the sound is scratchy and you cannot hear, anyone have any answers as to what is going wrong
[09:37] <engrfurky> HI
[09:37] <Ace2016> Hi all
[09:38] <Ace2016> can anyone help me with nvidia drivers please
[09:38] <Ace2016> every version i've tried just fails
[09:38] <jhutchins_wk> dec_: At least wait until your question scrolls off screen.
[09:38] <Ace2016> NVIDIA-Linux-x86-100.14.06-pkg1.run was working untill i ran the latest updates
[09:38] <Ace2016> now it just does not start
[09:38] <jhutchins_wk> dec_: It probably has something to do with the transcoding you're using.  What are you playing back on?  Same PC?
[09:39] <Ace2016> downloaded and tried to install this: NVIDIA-Linux-x86-100.14.11-pkg1.run   but it also is  unable to modprobe
[09:39] <dec_> no playing back on a dvd player
[09:39] <jhutchins_wk> Ace2016: Just boot back to the old kernel.
[09:39] <berkes> has anybody got an idea where I can find the counter values for "most used apps" in the main Kmenu?
[09:39] <jhutchins_wk> dec_: Ok, well encodding/transcoding DVD's is a pretty broad subject.
[09:39] <morph_> hello all
[09:39] <dec_> I hope I understood the question correctly
[09:39] <luca> hi everyone
[09:40] <jhutchins_wk> I would suggest reading up on it on various web pages.
[09:40] <Ace2016> jhutchins_wk: the kernel was not updated, some mesa and libgl stuff were updated
[09:40] <morph_> talking about apps for converting video?
[09:40] <dec_> when I was not using feisty I had no problems now i have upgraded and the sound is muted and scratchy
[09:41] <Insane`KDE> Hey, how do I correctly mount my HDD with read/write access? How do I set the permission masks
[09:41] <morph_> im just looking for an app that will convert video to dvd format
[09:41] <Insane`KDE> I know it's "sudo mount /dev/sdb1 /media/sdb1 [something] "
[09:42] <spike_s> hello
[09:43] <jhutchins_wk> dec_: Strange.
[09:43] <dec_> yes it is
[09:43] <spike_s> so my idea is probably strange
[09:44] <spike_s> but someone may have done this before
[09:44] <jhutchins_wk> morph_: dec updated and now his dvd's have bad sound.
[09:44] <dec_> no matter which prog I use it comes out the same the video is great the sound is awful
[09:44] <spike_s> I'm a Mac user and I do DSL support for a large consumer ISP
[09:45] <spike_s> and my niece has a P4 Prescott system that her dad gave her w/o any OS on it.. I'm thinking of putting her either on Ubuntu or Kubuntu
[09:45] <morph_> im getting mencoder
[09:45] <morph_> used with mplayer to encode in various formats
[09:45] <karadas74> hallo
[09:45] <spike_s> I'm just not sure what to expect in the middle of the night on my cell phone as I've never used this distro and don't typically keep PCs hanging around my house.
[09:46] <spike_s> my last long term Linux experience was on SuSE 6.3 which was awhile back
[09:46] <spike_s> and she's a non-technical person
[09:46] <spike_s> what do you folks think?
[09:47] <Insane`KDE> non-technical? Try winsucks
[09:47] <spike_s> I'd do that Insane`KDE .. but I just have a problem forking out that much money on something that will break
[09:47] <Insane`KDE> Pirate it
[09:47] <nicolai_> spike_s: It could easily work, somewhat depending on her hardware.
[09:47] <arunkale> spike_s: kubuntu is pretty easy to use
[09:48] <spike_s> Insane`KDE: the idea is to give her something that will do most basic things.. let her work from home if she wants do Office, Internet, simple games.. and NOT break
[09:48] <spike_s> nicolai_: I already know her hardware is fully supported
[09:48] <Insane`KDE> Then I suggest kUbuntu
[09:48] <Insane`KDE> Definately
[09:48] <pauljw> spike_s: if you install and configure it, she shouldn't have near the problems with kubuntu that she would with windows
[09:49] <Insane`KDE> If the pc is rather on the graphical side, try getting beryl with it, to impress her ;)
[09:49] <spike_s> I just am trying to figure out how to set this up so she won't call me about it because I'm not running it and have no clue what current builds of KDE or GNOME are like at all
[09:49] <Insane`KDE> Then use the Kubntu LiveCD. No problems, no configuration, nothing :P
[09:50] <spike_s> I could setup a help link system in Konq or Firefox and then setup XChat to dump her straight here and simultaneously log her into the Undernet channel that I chat in regularly
[09:50] <arunkale> spike_s: kubuntu has a very intuitive interface.. even friends of mine who are new to linux love it. they love how much you can do with it.
[09:50] <Insane`KDE> You never have to actually install the OS
[09:50] <arunkale> spike_s: use konqueror, much better :)
[09:50] <Insane`KDE> You could try getting here kubuntu with beryl
[09:50] <spike_s> Insane`KDE: It's going to have a GeForce 2MX 32MB AGP card in it
[09:50] <arunkale> spike_s: i mean konversation*
[09:50] <Insane`KDE> 32mb? ow nvm
[09:51] <arunkale> 32mb should be alright
[09:51] <Insane`KDE> OH well, I'm gonna watch some videos, I figured out my problem myself
[09:51] <spike_s> Insane`KDE: not installing it would be a waste of a blank hard drive
[09:51] <Insane`KDE> arunkale: I meant for beryl with all special effects enabled.
[09:51] <Insane`KDE> My 512mb suffers under beryl's snow/rain
[09:52] <memmy> hi, i just installed flashplugin-nonfree in adept...is that all i need to do to make videos work online?
[09:52] <spike_s> arunkale: yeah Konversation is an option
[09:52] <arunkale> Insane`KDE: beryl is quite buggy, i wouldn't ask a new user to linux to use a system with beryl
[09:52] <arunkale> especially kubuntu
[09:52] <noaxess_kubuntu> !build-essentials
[09:52] <ubotu> Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for pre-built !packages first: not all !repositories are enabled by default!)
[09:52] <Insane`KDE> But it looks cool
[09:52] <spike_s> and obviously as a Mac user I love Konq / Safari :P
[09:52] <arunkale> spike_s: try flock www.flock.com
[09:53] <spike_s> the money I am going to spend on it is for a SATA hard drive
[09:53] <Insane`KDE> cya guys
[09:53] <spike_s> and maybe for her birthday I'll get her a nice video card, dunno
[09:53] <Karti> Hi all
[09:53] <arunkale> Hey Karti
[09:53] <Insane`KDE> Yeah, give it to her peice by peice
[09:53] <Karti> Just a bit of advice on a separate home drive
[09:53] <Insane`KDE> Make sure oyu get the CPU last
[09:54] <dec_> anyone using something other than k3b or devede to burn dvds in feisty with success
[09:54] <spike_s> Flock is pointless for me, I don't do social networking
[09:54] <arunkale> spike_s: neither do i, but it's still a great browser, even without the social parts of it
[09:54] <Karti> Ah.....cancel......answered my own question!
[09:54] <spike_s> Insane is funny.. it's an already built system
[09:54] <arunkale> Karti: which was?
[09:55] <spike_s> arunkale: the Beta of Safari.. is fine by me.. for what I do, and it's the same rendering engine as Flock
[09:55] <Karti> to create a separate home partition or not too, since I will have a complete image less my emails stc
[09:55] <arunkale> there's safari for linux?
[09:56] <jink_> no ther isnt
[09:56] <spike_s> it's like when someone told me to use the Expos tabs in Shirra and I can add that to Safari if I want it but don't really care for such things.
[09:56] <arunkale> Karti: most people here would advise you to have a separate home partition, since your data will be safer that way
[09:56] <Karti> arunkale: I believe that my open university course was using it
[09:56] <spike_s> no.. I'm not going to be running linux arunkale
[09:56] <arunkale> spike_s: ah
[09:56] <fdoving> Karti: i don't keep a separated home on my desktop systems. I never re-install so keeping it separated doesn't make sense to me.
[09:56] <jink_> can anybody tell me how to change panel color
[09:57] <Karti> oops by safarri you don't mean the book website doh *sorry*
[09:57] <spike_s> arunkale: I may.. consider that.. though it may just be too confusing for her
[09:57] <fdoving> Karti: with one big partition i can use the space more efficient if i ever need to use it all.
[09:57] <spike_s> I may just leave her with two 40GB hard drives and make one /home
[09:57] <spike_s> I don't really know how to configure Kubuntu to point everything to that b default though to store all the users there
[09:58] <Karti> My issue is that as I will have a perfect image all set up, all I would need to bring accorss would be my documents etc that are backed up else where
[09:58] <Karti> rather than install teh OS again
[09:58] <Karti> Obviously it may affect me with later versions as I would have to recreate the image
[09:59] <Karti> but with Kubuntu I find that a. enjoyable and b quick!
[09:59] <nicolai_> spike_s: I believe one harddisk should just be mounted with /home as the mount point.
[10:00] <spike_s> nicolai_: yes but you do that in the installer and then the installer maps out the folders and users automatically?
[10:01] <Karti> brb just creating the new image thanks for the advice
[10:01] <nicolai_> spike_s: Perhaps in the alternate install, but not in the default one.
[10:01] <spike_s> nicolai_: I'll keep that in mind
[10:02] <Insane`KDE> Help! Kaffeine won't play avis
[10:03] <vzduch> !avi | Insane`KDE
[10:03] <ubotu> Insane`KDE: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[10:03] <morph_> anyone know of a program to convet video to dvd format to burn
[10:03] <nicolai_> spike_s: I would first copy the content of the /home foler to a backup, then go to system settings -> advanced -> disk and filesystems -> admin -> "mount blabla as /home.
[10:03] <nicolai_> spike_s: then I would copy the original /home content to the new drive
[10:03] <nicolai_> spike_s: I have never tried it though
[10:05] <nicolai_> spike_s: The /home content might need to have been copied _before_ changing the mount point. :P
[10:07] <spike_s> nicolai_: ok
[10:07] <spike_s> I'll give it a try when I redo the install again
[10:07] <spike_s> right now I'm waiting on a replacement motherboard to arrive, in about a week or so I fried the BIOS on this one
[10:08] <spike_s> so we're getting one that can do SATA and has no integrated video this time :)
[10:08] <spike_s> it'd be here sooner but I must wait on Paypal
[10:08] <spike_s> lol
[10:08] <nicolai_> spike_s: So the old motherboard didn't have ghostrecovery?
[10:09] <spike_s> I don't know what that is
[10:09] <memmy> i want to install the firefox browser..how do i do that?
[10:09] <spike_s> it was an MSI board.. I tried to backup the BIOS but the instructions didn't tell me to include full path to floppy and it backed it up to the RAMdisk
[10:10] <stdin>  memmy open adept and install it
[10:10] <spike_s> then when I tried to do the recovery .. it didn't even attempt to boot or read from the floppy at all
[10:10] <nicolai_> spike_s: Some newer motherboards keep the old bios as a backup. If the bios is corrupted, a click on a button can restore it to full functionality.
[10:10] <spike_s> memmy: choose firefox and click apply changes
[10:10] <filip> :D
[10:10] <spike_s> memmy: http://www.linux.com/feature/117051 flash video #3 has a walkthrough on it
[10:10] <memmy> thanks
[10:11] <weah> i have ubuntu gnome feisty fawn 7.04
[10:11] <spike_s> nicolai_: nice
[10:11] <weah> and just installed kde
[10:11] <spike_s> maybe I'll get lucky with this new board
[10:11] <spike_s> weah: how'd that go?
[10:11] <weah> beside the new softwares installed, what more can i do with kde?
[10:11] <memmy> hey i installed flashplugin-non free but vid online still won't work why?
[10:12] <weah> how do i change the style of ubuntu , etc.
[10:12] <spike_s> weah: it's just a different Desktop Environment that functions differently than GNOME
[10:12] <stdin> !themes
[10:12] <ubotu> Find your themes at: http://www.gnome-look.org - http://art.gnome.org - http://www.kde-look.org - http://themes.freshmeat.net/browse/58/ - http://www.guistyles.com - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/ - Also see !changethemes and https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuEyeCandy
[10:12] <spike_s> if your running in GNOME and running the apps then you haven't reconfigured to actually use KDE instead of GNOME
[10:12] <weah> is it really better?
[10:13] <weah> kde than gnome?
[10:13] <fdoving> weah: depends on what you like.
[10:13] <weah> fdoving, be more specific
[10:13] <weah> :P
[10:13] <stdin> weah: you're asking in the kubuntu channel, what do you think we're going to say?
[10:13] <fdoving> weah: i find kde better than gnome, because i like the way kde works.
[10:14] <weah> ok
[10:14] <weah> but now i have all the kde softs installed
[10:14] <weah> :P
[10:14] <spike_s> weah: some people like GNOME others like KDE, one is neither better than the other, they're just "different'
[10:14] <stdin> !best
[10:14] <ubotu> Usually, there is no single "best" application to perform a given task. It's up to you to choose among a number of different applications, depending on your preferences, the features you require, and other factors.
[10:15] <weah> hum
[10:15] <spike_s> you can run either software under the other Environment fine.. so long as the other environment is installed.. but most people just use one or the other not both
[10:15] <spike_s> because of what ubotu said
[10:15] <weah> to start using kubuntu at all i have to reinstall everything, right?
[10:15] <stdin> weah: no
[10:15] <sam_> hey can anyone tell me what is a LOOPBACK FILE?
[10:15] <stdin> !kde
[10:15] <ubotu> KDE (http://kde.org) is the !desktop environment used natively in !Kubuntu. To install from Ubuntu:  sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop , or see http://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallingKDE) . Latest KDE version is 3.5.7 for Feisty, 3.5.6 for Edgy, and 3.5.5 for Dapper. See http://kubuntu.org) for more information.
[10:15] <fdoving> sam_: loopback device?
[10:16] <stdin> weah: you just install "kubuntu-desktop"
[10:16] <stdin> weah: then you choose which you want at the login screen
[10:16] <weah> nice
[10:16] <sam_> not loopback device its a file
[10:16] <fdoving> sam_: what do you need that file for?
[10:16] <weah> stdin, after i have kubuntu installed, do u think it's good to uninstall all that stuff i installed with kde?
[10:17] <spike_s> fdoving: maybe he's looking in /devfs??
[10:17] <stdin> weah: no, it mostly installs the same things
[10:17] <fdoving> spike_s: you mean /dev/loop0 ?
[10:17] <spike_s> fdoving: yeah
[10:17] <fdoving> probably.
[10:17] <sam_> i have an assignment on formating a loopback file
[10:17] <weah> kubuntu and ubuntu are "brothers"?
[10:18] <fdoving> sam_: formatting a loopback file to be used for what?
[10:18] <root__> Can i found french users here?
[10:18] <fdoving> sam_: a file-system image, mountable via loop-back?
[10:18] <stdin> weah: they are the same, except kubuntu has kde and ubuntu has gnome, all package are from the same place and the base is shared
[10:18] <sam_> i have no idea what it means
[10:18] <spike_s> weah: think of it like layers to a cake
[10:18] <stdin> !fr | root__
[10:18] <ubotu> root__: Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[10:18] <fdoving> sam_: what does your "assignment" say?
[10:18] <spike_s> Ubuntu is the bottom layer
[10:18] <Associat0r> I am trying out linuxmint now
[10:18] <Associat0r> with kde
[10:19] <phik> hello there
[10:19] <spike_s> and either KDE or GNOME are the top layer depending on whether you install Ubuntu or Kubuntu
[10:19] <Associat0r> little more complete
[10:19] <spike_s> depends on what you see on the top layer
[10:19] <Associat0r> based on ubuntu too
[10:19] <root__> thank a lot! good night! ;-)
[10:19] <sam_> Format a loopback file. Find out what that is.
[10:19] <spike_s> now from within either one you can install the other top layer and use that stuff too basically having a half chocolate and a half vanilla top layer
[10:19] <fdoving> sam_: then i don
[10:20] <weah> i noticed that kde has more programs than gnome
[10:20] <Associat0r> kde is more consistent
[10:20] <Associat0r> integrates better
[10:20] <fdoving> sam_: don't know what it really means.. but my guess would be to make a filesystem-image and mount it through loop-back.
[10:20] <sam_> i too guess d same.
[10:21] <phik> A serious issue with kubuntu drives me crazy. It freezes.. and it has somewhat to do with the wireless cards. I can use it for some hours and when I make some intensive wireless trasnfer, the system hangs up. At the moment it happens with a pcmcia card with atheros chipset (madwifi drivers)..... anyone can help me ????
[10:21] <phik> but it also happens on other two pcs
[10:22] <stdin> hmm, I have an atheros card (pci) and it's stable for me
[10:22] <phik> on feisty fawn???
[10:22] <stdin> yeah
[10:22] <sam_> Does anyone know abot ext4dev module
[10:22] <phik> mumble :S
[10:22] <spike_s> phik: that sounds like a driver problem for that individual card, the same issue could happen on any OS in that situation.
[10:23] <weah> !themes
[10:23] <ubotu> Find your themes at: http://www.gnome-look.org - http://art.gnome.org - http://www.kde-look.org - http://themes.freshmeat.net/browse/58/ - http://www.guistyles.com - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/ - Also see !changethemes and https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuEyeCandy
[10:23] <genii> phik: Maybe check on your modem/router the MTU settings. If pppoe set it to something like 1492
[10:23] <stdin> sam_: it's the ext4 filesystem development module
[10:23] <phik> at home I had a linksys pci and it crashed a lot... now that I took it away... it works great
[10:23] <spike_s> do all the PCs use the same kind of wifi chipset on their cards?
[10:23] <stdin> spike_s: no
[10:23] <sam_> yup..can u give me good links for it
[10:23] <phik> nope spike_S
[10:23] <rjb> i was having such freezes while on a feisty dist-upgraded from edgy
[10:23] <weah> stdin, thx for the help
[10:23] <weah> just installed kde
[10:24] <phik> uhm rjb... no upgrade, fresh install
[10:24] <stdin> weah: no problem :)
[10:24] <rjb> i did a clean feisty reinstall, and the freezes went away
[10:24] <rjb> wifi is still somewhat flaky, though
[10:24] <phik> yep I see :(
[10:24] <spike_s> phik: it could be the TCP/IP stack.. or the Encapsulation like genii said.. if the MTU is too high you may want to redo it and see if it becomes stable on all the different systems.
[10:24] <rjb> while it worked ner-perfectly on edgy
[10:24] <phik> if I do normal jobs no prob..
[10:24] <rjb> near-perfectly
[10:25] <phik> as soon ad i put in the atheros card in my pcmcia slot and try some wardriving it becomes crazy..
[10:25] <phik> and sometimes it freezes
[10:25] <rjb> what's worse, my wired ethernet no longer works
[10:25] <spike_s> phik: do you know what your Encap is?
[10:25] <phik> ehehe rjb.... how is that possible.. wired network should always work :P
[10:25] <rjb> the card's driver seems to be crashing
[10:26] <spike_s> your binding two different tcp stacks phik
[10:26] <spike_s> one for each adapter
[10:26] <rjb> it doesn't take the system down with it though
[10:26] <phik> oook spike
[10:26] <spike_s> so it will work for one but not the other.. however.. if the wired stops too that means tcp crashed
[10:26] <phik> What have I to do
[10:26] <phik> ?
[10:27] <phik> how do I see my encap?
[10:27] <spike_s> you remove the affecting adapter and restart the network layer and tcp/ip and so on
[10:27] <spike_s> and then your in business with the other adapter
[10:27] <spike_s> phik: it's simple
[10:27] <spike_s> phik: do you know if you use DHCP, Static IP, PPPoE, or PPPoA
[10:27] <spike_s> to get your IP from your router or ISP
[10:28] <phik> it doesn't matter,... it crashes with everything... even without connection
[10:28] <phik> usually when I try some wardriving :P
[10:28] <phik> the worse case was some hours ago when I tried to crack my own AP... with aircrack
[10:28] <phik> one crash every 5 min...
[10:29] <Ange|us> anyone knows an SSH client with GUI?
[10:29] <genii> Put a power line smoother in if yer running it off the cigarette lighter adapter
[10:29] <spike_s> when you are not connected though is it crashing because it's trying to connect physically or because it's trying to obtain an IP through a specific Encap.. or only because the MTU is too high for the task you are doing and the router is puking on all your packets due to that
[10:29] <spike_s> that's what we're trying to narrow down to try and help you define why it's crashing
[10:29] <spike_s> Ange|us: PuTTY for Windows and Linux
[10:29] <Ange|us> nah
[10:30] <Ange|us> putty is like terminal
[10:30] <Ange|us> i wan something nicer
[10:30] <Ange|us> *want
[10:30] <rjb> irq 3: nobody cared (try booting with the "irqpoll" option)
[10:30] <stdin> Ange|us: what for?
[10:30] <rjb> that's what i get in my logfile
[10:30] <Ange|us> because i like GUI ?
[10:30] <stdin> Ange|us: ssh = secure SHELL
[10:30] <phik> spike_s and you thing that for such reasons it could simply freeze the whole OS???
[10:30] <rjb> and eth0 is hooked to irq3
[10:30] <fdoving> Ange|us: tried 'kdessh' ?
[10:30] <fdoving> Ange|us: it's in universe.
[10:30] <phik> thing=think :P
[10:30] <Ange|us> hmm
[10:30] <Ange|us> ok
[10:30] <Ange|us> i'll give it a try
[10:31] <spike_s> ahh Ange|us when I SSH it's because I want a Shell a command line
[10:31] <rjb> and a few lines later: Disabling IRQ #3
[10:31] <stdin> Ange|us: that would be the same as putty
[10:31] <spike_s> there's few other reasons to use SSH
[10:31] <Ange|us> kdessh is installed
[10:31] <spike_s> maybe VPN tunneling.. but then you wouldn't need a full blown application in a window to do that
[10:31] <Ange|us> but not in the menu
[10:31] <Ange|us> so i'll add it myself
[10:32] <rjb> spike_s: x11 forwarding
[10:32] <fdoving> Ange|us: hang on, it might not be what you want after all..
[10:32] <genii> freenx
[10:32] <rjb> VNC tunneling
[10:32] <stdin> spike_s: I use it for file sharing
[10:32] <Ange|us> spike_s, yes but im addicted to colours :|
[10:32] <spike_s> phik: there's no telling what might happen to the whole OS if TCP isn't working the way you want it too, esp when you just said.. you were war driving
[10:32] <spike_s> that's a very intense network application really.
[10:32] <fdoving> Ange|us: no, it's not what you wnat, you can safely remove it. it does some other things.
[10:32] <spike_s> esp if port scanning, etc.
[10:33] <Ange|us> then what is what i want fdoving ?
[10:33] <spike_s> rjb: yeah all of that is vpn like stuff
[10:33] <rjb> true
[10:33] <spike_s> you really can stick anything through SSH tunnels that you want
[10:33] <spike_s> :P
[10:34] <phik> ah spike_s: with airmon-ng before it crashes the kernel posts some error messages about PCI error... but that it tries to continue
[10:34] <rjb> accessing remote files via fish:// in konqueror
[10:34] <phik> then.. the crash comes :(
[10:34] <rjb> (that's extremely handy)
[10:34] <fdoving> Ange|us: don't know of any.. really. never used gui for ssh.
[10:34] <Ange|us> ok :S
[10:35] <spike_s> phik: so something is trying to do something with the device driver that is not working right is what it sounds like
[10:35] <stdin> rjb: fish:/ is deprecated, use sftp:/ it has less overhead
[10:35] <spike_s> are you using the same applications when wardriving all the time?
[10:35] <phik> yep... but everything works correctly other times... the crahes are totally random
[10:35] <rjb> stdin: fish:// still seems to be a default in feisty
[10:35] <stdin> rjb: there is no default, try sftp:/
[10:35] <fdoving> Ange|us: you can use putty, it's also in universe
[10:36] <Ange|us> i dont like it
[10:36] <fdoving> then i don't know of any.
[10:36] <Ange|us> i want something like SecureCRT on windows
[10:36] <stdin> Ange|us: what do you want to do wit ssh?
[10:36] <rjb> i mean, default as offered in 'remote places' folder
[10:36] <spike_s> phik: maybe the crashes aren't as random as you say, maybe they're only when certain events occur or commands are used in those apps.
[10:36] <Ange|us> stdin, what is the only thing you can do with ssh?
[10:36] <fdoving> stdin: fish doesn't do the same sftp does, it's not deprecated. fish works without the sftp serverside-support. sftp doesn't.
[10:36] <spike_s> which violates the driver.. and then the OS can't handle it
[10:37] <spike_s> either the driver is weak as it doesn't return a flag to the app and stop misbehaving.. or the app is doing something illegal all the way around
[10:37] <stdin> Ange|us: lots of things, login, forward ports, share files, run commands on hosts (without logging in)....
[10:37] <phik> uhm usually it's when it's only monitoring the net... in promiscous mode
[10:38] <spike_s> of course it may actually seem random if it's a class of commands that all perform similar actions in the app
[10:38] <Ange|us> ok
[10:38] <stdin> fdoving: that's what I mean, only the older shh servers don't have sftp
[10:38] <spike_s> heh
[10:38] <Ange|us> login to my shell
[10:38] <fdoving> stdin: or the ones who disables it. but yeah :)
[10:38] <phik> but both things are difficult to think about......aircrack suite works great on other releases.... and madwifi too
[10:38] <phik> it's really strange :(
[10:38] <stdin> Ange|us: just use konsole, set a session that starts "ssh you@yourhost" then you can start it easily
[10:38] <Ange|us> yes
[10:39] <Ange|us> but i like colours :|
[10:39] <rjb> konsole is highly customizable
[10:39] <spike_s> phik: well it seems like your onto something there, maybe try monitoring in promiscuous mode with a totally different app and see if it still occurs then you maybe be closer to a driver problem and less of an application problem. follow my drift?
[10:39] <stdin> Ange|us: you can set console to use funky colours if you want
[10:39] <Ange|us> how is that?
[10:39] <Ange|us> drink 2 littres LSD ?
[10:39] <spike_s> they may be using the same functions in the driver between the two apps to accomplish a similar goal.
[10:40] <stdin> Ange|us: choose a schema and customise it
[10:40] <Ange|us> hmm
[10:40] <spike_s> which makes the driver go crazy and violate the system.. the the kernel has no choice but to panic
[10:40] <stdin> or set bash to use colors
[10:40] <spike_s> at that time it's a driver problem, check for newer versions, send feedback via bug tracker to the driver team, etc. if it's even an active driver
[10:40] <phik> yep spike_S it just before it crashed for the first time also with ksmeth.. another scanner
[10:41] <phik> sometimes even when nothing is running
[10:41] <spike_s> if all the cards use the same chipset the they may be dependent on a set of similar drivers that all exhibit the same issue due to one programmer's implementation.
[10:42] <phik> uhm nope spike_s,,, the problems persist only with feisty... not with precedent versions of (k)ubuntu
[10:42] <phik> and neither with other distributions
[10:42] <phik> it simply drives me crazy
[10:42] <spike_s> of course it could just be that the wifi implementation in your ubuntu isn't stable I don't know how it's being done for Linux now days.. the drivers may be borrowed from Free BSD for all I know.
[10:43] <phik> ehehehe perhaps
[10:43] <spike_s> soo this may then be something new done on purpose that fixes itself in the next build
[10:43] <spike_s> or in between with a patch
[10:43] <spike_s> you can now see how this same issue could happen on other OSes though.
[10:43] <spike_s> and you've isolated it to the driver or the I/O system
[10:44] <spike_s> I'd still drop the MTU down and see what happens.. it might be just the trick though.. heh
[10:44] <Ange|us> can i remove sudo from kubuntu and use only su without remove 100 packages with it?
[10:44] <phik> ok spike_S.. how can iI drop the MTU?
[10:44] <spike_s> Ange|us: why would you want to remove sudo?
[10:44] <phik> in which conf file?
[10:45] <spike_s> phik: I dunno
[10:45] <Ange|us> cause its unsecure in my opinion
[10:45] <phik> ahhahaha oook :P
[10:45] <phik> lol
[10:45] <spike_s> I don't actually use Linux myself
[10:45] <spike_s> I'm here for other reasons
[10:45] <Ange|us> ok
[10:45] <rjb> Ange|us: you can disable sudo by editing /etc/sudoers
[10:46] <phik> only for some technical support?
[10:46] <spike_s> I do DSL support though and I went through quite a bit of OS stuff when Mac OS X was in beta
[10:46] <spike_s> and that same info applies to your situation
[10:46] <Ange|us> rjb, are you sure? cause last time us edited it SU didnt work neither
[10:46] <phik> eheheheh ooook no everything it's clear
[10:46] <spike_s> phik: I'm considering putting Kubuntu on my Niece's os-less box so that I can hand it to her and sleep at night w/o the phone ringing about windows this and that
[10:46] <phik> you do dsl support
[10:46] <Ange|us> is there a way to remove only SUDO and not everything else with it?
[10:46] <phik> eheheh
[10:46] <spike_s> if I could afford it I'd just buy her a mac mini and be done with it
[10:47] <rjb> Ange|us: su won't work unless you set a password for root
[10:47] <Ange|us> i setted it
[10:47] <phik> for that reason you always asked me for the router... ppoe ect
[10:47] <rjb> su doesn't care about sudo's config file
[10:47] <Ange|us> i see
[10:47] <spike_s> phik: yep
[10:47] <Ange|us> :S
[10:48] <phik> eheh ;)
[10:48] <Ange|us> but is there a way to remove sudo completle without its other packages
[10:48] <phik> kubuntu is really great .. I've to admit it
[10:48] <spike_s> phik: different encaps behave differently
[10:48] <Ange|us> because when i tried it removed half of mysystem and i was gonna kill my pc
[10:48] <phik> and with that repositories... you find almost everything you need for normal use
[10:48] <phik> it's almost too easy :D
[10:48] <rjb> Ange|us: not really
[10:48] <spike_s> most everyone, unless they have a reason not to.. should be using DHCP on any broadband connection
[10:48] <spike_s> or in a LAN setup
[10:49] <phik> I love static IPs
[10:49] <phik> so I always know where which pc is
[10:50] <spike_s> that's why they make dyndns though.. lol
[10:50] <rjb> static IP's can be managed by dhcp
[10:50] <spike_s> static ips are fine in a nat situation if you WANT it
[10:50] <spike_s> it's more of a headache to administrate though that what most people need.
[10:50] <phik> ahh you were talking for the public ip
[10:50] <phik> I've a subnet of 16 ips... I've an isp
[10:50] <spike_s> well for public ip and general routing on lans and home networks dhcp is really good
[10:51] <rjb> i set up my linksys router so that each machine in the house gets the same ip each time
[10:51] <spike_s> if you have a server running or have something special private static ip nat might be the way to go, but that's not most people
[10:51] <spike_s> rjb: yes they can, that's the whole point of nat
[10:52] <phik> yep for sure. I have mail server, two web servers.. and obviously two dns
[10:52] <phik> the a private exchange server
[10:52] <spike_s> if you have less than 10 computers in a home network there's just no good reason not to let the dhcp server on the router manage all the ips for you.. you can easily predict what any given machine is going to get
[10:52] <phik> no nat... the firewall is in bridge mode
[10:52] <rjb> that way i don't need to run a dns server, i just install hosts files on the boxes
[10:53] <rjb> (all 3 of them)
[10:53] <spike_s> here's a real happening you guys will laugh at
[10:54] <phik> yep spike... with the lease time.. or on a domain controller you can set static dhcp tables :D
[10:54] <spike_s> I had a guy call me.. he's a business user on a consumer dsl account.. he wants the dns entry for his ip block to be removed from a blacklister.. he was running his own mail server and couldn't email anyone..
[10:54] <Ange|us> rjb, this is what happens when i disable sudo from the sudoers file and i try to open adept, "Conversation with su failed."
[10:55] <spike_s> tos states, no servers.. we provide a mail server for everyone and accounts on it.. it has a different dns entry than the ip range handed out by our aggregator on purpose.. I'm like duh
[10:55] <phik> uhhh... I've got to go
[10:55] <spike_s> dude, you blocked yourself and we can ask.. but there's no point in you doing this
[10:55] <phik> ehm thank for the help spike_s
[10:55] <spike_s> he got all upset and all
[10:55] <phik> have a nice day.. or night (like here)
[10:55] <spike_s> no problem phik
[10:55] <phik> byee ;)
[10:56] <rjb> Ange|us: your problem is with adept, not with su
[10:56] <mcquaid> I was going to check out kde4 beta.  the kubuntu page says to make sure you have 3.92 available by apt-cache policy kde4base
[10:56] <noaXess> hi all
[10:56] <mcquaid> for me it returns 3.91
[10:56] <Ange|us> then why does adept works perfectly when sudo is available?
[10:56] <mcquaid> and i have backports enabled in feisty
[10:57] <rjb> because adept needs root privileges and obtains them via sudo
[10:57] <spike_s> poor bastard upset at his isp because of server admin assumptions
[10:57] <rjb> i guess it's hardwired to work that way
[10:57] <spike_s> spam control happens a certain way for a reason
[10:58] <spike_s> l8r all
[11:00] <tank71> hey whats up
[11:00] <tank71> does anyone happen to know why I wouldnt be able to ssh into a server sitting on my floor it says cannot connect to the port....
[11:00] <Ange|us> rjb, http://rafb.net/p/i0rnoA15.html
[11:00] <tank71> ssh is up and running
[11:00] <jhutchins> tank71: Can you ping it?
[11:01] <tank71> ya sure
[11:01] <mcquaid> hmm, ya packages.ubuntu.com reports 3.91 as well
[11:01] <mcquaid> i guess thats a recent snapshot? I'd like to confirm if it's the beta or not
[11:01] <jhutchins> tank71: Maybe ssh is not listening to the external address?
[11:01] <x_link> Hi
[11:01] <tank71> how would I fix that?
[11:02] <x_link> If I install wine, will I be ablet o use CPU-Z for Windows then?
[11:02] <noaXess> my sound card is online, but i hear no sound.. the system means its a ""00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) High Definition Audio Controller (rev
[11:02] <tank71> I'm not exactly sure what you mean by that...sorry lol
[11:02] <noaXess> 02)
[11:02] <noaXess> any idea why?
[11:02] <jhutchins> Ange|us: adept is a wrapper for the apt tools, and it uses su.
[11:02] <jhutchins> Ange|us: Or rather, uses sudo (which actually uses su)
[11:05] <Insane`KDE> Would anybody know why Avidemux can play avi files perfectly while kaffeine just shows a black screen and zips through real fast?
[11:05] <mcrandello> I've never had any luck getting kde's media players to do anything other than infuriate me
[11:06] <noaXess> !sound
[11:06] <ubotu> If you're having problems with sound, first ensure ARTS is running, by going to K Menu -> System Settings -> Sound System and making sure "Enable the sound system" is checked. If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP3
[11:06] <Insane`KDE> Would anybody know why Avidemux can play avi files perfectly while kaffeine just shows a black screen and zips through real fast?#cept the problem is that avidemux is an editor instead of a player and I have to watch the videos windowed..
[11:06] <sander> I just deleted a file using Konqueror (shift+delete), and the file is gone, but I have no more free disk space
[11:06] <sander> it's nowhere in the .Trash directories
[11:06] <sander> anyone have an idea what's up?
[11:06] <mcrandello> Insane`KDE: I wind up using vlc for pretty much everything these days
[11:06] <Insane`KDE> There's VLC for linux? kewl
[11:07] <mcrandello> sudo apt-get install vlc
[11:07] <slougi> sander: maybe something else filled up the disk in the meantime? some daemon gone crazy writing logs or similar.
[11:07] <Ange|us> jhutchins, http://rafb.net/p/i0rnoA15.html
[11:07] <sander> slougi: possible, but not very likely
[11:07] <mcrandello> and then spend the rest of the day getting rid of amarok, kaffiene and noatun from trying to play things in konqueror ;)
[11:07] <slougi> Insane`KDE: if you don't need subtitle support you could try codeine, it works pretty well (at least for me)
[11:08] <rjb_> Ange|us: yes, that's what i'd expect
[11:08] <jhutchins> Ange|us: Of course.  That's exactly how it's supposed to work.
[11:08] <Ange|us> what?
[11:08] <Ange|us> what do you mean?
[11:08] <Ange|us> :S
[11:08] <slougi> now to ask a question, just got a new screen with 1920x1200 res, video playback is pretty jerky since, any clues? using the proprietary nvidia drivers.
[11:09] <jhutchins> Ange|us: root is not the user who is running X, that is your normal user.
[11:09] <Ange|us> oh
[11:09] <Ange|us> i understand
[11:09] <jhutchins> Ange|us: Therefore a program launched by user root can not display on "your" screen.
[11:09] <mcrandello> Ange|us: try running like this "kdesu adept_manager"
[11:09] <Ange|us> so if i run X using root it should solves the problem?
[11:09] <mcrandello> that should work
[11:09] <slougi> jhutchins: actually, X runs with root priviledges by default
[11:10] <mcrandello> running X as root will get old timers yelling at you :)
[11:10] <jhutchins> slougi: Yes, but the display doesn't run as root, and xauth is not for root.
[11:10] <slougi> jhutchins: root     15918  1.3  3.7  43304 38832 tty7     RLs+ Aug03   0:49 /usr/bin/X -br -nolisten tcp :0 vt7 -auth /var/run/xauth/A:0-dWhyAf
[11:10] <Ange|us> mcrandello, this is what happened: Su returned with an error.
[11:10] <x_link> Does anybody here use wine?
[11:10] <jhutchins> Ange|us: But why are you launching adept_manager from a console as root?
[11:10] <slougi> but yes, xauth is user level
[11:10] <Ange|us> cause i dont want to use sudo anymore jhutchins
[11:11] <x_link> Does anybody know where I can get LimeWire for Kubuntu?
[11:11] <jhutchins> Ange|us: Perhaps you don't know enough about ubuntu's security to make that change.
[11:11] <Associat0r> vlc can't play everthing
[11:11] <Ange|us> jhutchins,
[11:11] <Associat0r> mcrandello
[11:11] <Ange|us> sudo is unsecure
[11:11] <x_link> Anybody?
[11:11] <Ange|us> in my opinion
[11:11] <Ange|us> i can delete a system with sudo without need of password :)
[11:12] <jhutchins> Ange|us: Your opinion is different from that of the whole ubuntu/Cannonical team then.
[11:12] <Ange|us> yes
[11:12] <jhutchins> Ange|us: Of course you can.  You can always find a way to screw up a system, especially if you have physical access to it.
[11:12] <Ange|us> jhutchins, i just dont want that someones come on my pc "sudo bash" and "rm -rf /" :)
[11:12] <jhutchins> Ange|us: If you don't want to run your system the way ubuntu runs, why not run some other distro?
[11:13] <jhutchins> Ange|us: So set a strong password for your account, and use reasonable locking measures.
[11:13] <Ange|us> hmm which distro doesnt use sudo? "i only know gentoo that doesnt"
[11:13] <jhutchins> Ange|us: Perhaps you should investigate further.
[11:13] <sander> argh! gimme my disk space dammit!
[11:13] <mcrandello> Associat0r: true, but noatun plays practically nothing
[11:14] <Ange|us> :S
[11:14] <jhutchins> Ange|us: Perhaps there are more risks to having a root account than there are from having sudo.  It's always a compromise.
[11:14] <rjb_> Ange|us: only the _owner_ of the system can wipe it out via sudo
[11:14] <hsatera> :D
[11:14] <Ange|us> not really
[11:14] <hsatera> now with kubuntu
[11:14] <hsatera> it's really better
[11:14] <hsatera> :D
[11:14] <Ange|us> any one that uses "sudo bash" will end up in root account
[11:14] <jhutchins> rjb_: Not strictly true.  If the master account doesn't have a password, and sudo's been set up to allow it, anybody can come along and use sudo.
[11:14] <hsatera> do u guys use firefox or konqueror?
[11:15] <Associat0r> stuff like midi, amiga files etc
[11:15] <Associat0r> konqueror
[11:15] <jhutchins> Ange|us: sudo bash will prompt for a password by default, unless you've defeated that.
[11:15] <rjb_> jhutchins: sure there are many stupid ways you might set up sudo
[11:15] <hsatera> i love firefox
[11:15] <hsatera> :P
[11:15] <Associat0r> but I miss some plugins from firefox
[11:15] <rjb_> but that is not the way it's set up by default
[11:15] <jhutchins> rjb_: Indeed.  It requires more effort than simply enabling root, but it's possible.
[11:16] <Associat0r> btw you guys could try look at linuxmint
[11:16] <jhutchins> Ange|us: If you're concerned about security, you should be running selinux anyway.
[11:16] <Insane`KDE> selinux?
[11:16] <hsatera> now what more can i do with kubuntu that i couldn't with gnome?
[11:16] <hsatera> :x
[11:16] <Insane`KDE> Does that need a password for every letter you send in irc??
[11:17] <Associat0r> well everything is consistent
[11:17] <Insane`KDE> Wow.
[11:17] <Insane`KDE> Big gIN
[11:17] <mcrandello> The problem I'm having right now is that in adept_manager when I click "manage repositories" it preforms "fetch updates" instead, anyone else get that?
[11:17] <jhutchins> Ange|us: It would be pretty easy to tell you ways around your current situation, but from what you've said you really shouldn't be doing what you're doing, and you'll end up screwing more things up and having to re-install fairly soon.
[11:17] <Insane`KDE> *GAIN
[11:17] <Associat0r> there is kdevelop
[11:17] <Ange|us> whats selinux jhutchins ?
[11:17] <jhutchins> Ange|us: For instance, did you use "su" instead of "su -"?
[11:18] <jhutchins> Ange|us: Security Enhanced Linux from the NSA.
[11:18] <Ange|us> i wish to use Gentoo
[11:18] <Ange|us> but
[11:18] <Ange|us> gentoo takes a shitload of time to compile KDE
[11:18] <Ange|us> so i cant till i get a good pc
[11:18] <Ange|us> that compiles fast
[11:18] <jhutchins> Ange|us: Gentoo will eat all of your time compiling updates and fixing what they break.
[11:19] <Ange|us> yes i know
[11:19] <Ange|us> thats why i want a good pc
[11:19] <Ange|us> so it will not take time to compile
[11:19] <Ange|us> :p
[11:19] <Ange|us> but currently i dont work
[11:19] <jhutchins> Ange|us: Did you use "su" instead of "su -"?
[11:19] <Ange|us> yes
[11:19] <jhutchins> That's very bad.
[11:20] <jhutchins> Ange|us: Running a gui from that would mess up your system anyway.
[11:20] <Ange|us> would running X from root resolve this issue?
[11:20] <jhutchins> Ange|us: What I would suggest is that you run your kubuntu the way it was intended, and spend your time learning more about linux systems and security.
[11:20] <Ange|us> well yes i like to learn
[11:20] <Ange|us> :p
[11:21] <jhutchins> Ange|us: Running X from root as "su" would make even more of a mess.  You would probably not be able to run the system without a clean reinstall.
[11:21] <noaXess> ha.. my soundcard is crazy.. all is ok, known by kubuntu, driver hda-intel loaded without any error, ALSA activated.. but no sound.. only chrrchrrchrrchrr if i want test the sound.. ;( any idea?
[11:21] <Associat0r> if you want to learn run lfs
[11:21] <Associat0r> or slackware
[11:21] <Ange|us> slackware doesnt work with this pc
[11:21] <jhutchins> Ange|us: Because ubuntu is designed to use sudo instead of the root shell, it is secured against problems with sudo better than it is secured for problems with a live root account.  Therefore, with ubuntu, you are safer with sudo.
[11:22] <Ange|us> when i try to boot it after an install it just restarts the pc
[11:23] <swilson> how come when i do "/home/swilson/firefox/firefox &" it says "/home/swilson/firefox/firefox: is a directory" when it says its supposed to start it
[11:23] <jhutchins> Ange|us: I would suggest you use a user-friendly distribution like ubuntu or kubuntu until you are completely comfortable using the system without the GUI.  When you reach that point, you'll probably be ready to run slackware or lfs, or gentoo, or start re-building the system security.
[11:24] <Associat0r> I started with slackware
[11:24] <Ange|us> nah i dont like shit without GUI
[11:24] <Ange|us> im addicted to colours
[11:24] <Ange|us> even i started with slackware
[11:24] <Associat0r> anyway why is kcontrol not default as a shortcut somewhere?
[11:24] <rjb> heh my first install came on 10 floppies;)
[11:24] <Associat0r> is it deprecated?
[11:24] <jhutchins> Ange|us: You will need to be very familiar with the console to run slackware or gentoo.
[11:25] <Associat0r> or something
[11:25] <jhutchins> Ange|us: You should read this: http://tldp.org/LDP/sag/
[11:25] <jhutchins> Ange|us: There are also other useful guides on that site.
[11:25] <Silent_G> hmm
[11:25] <noaXess> some idea.. sound card driver ok, but no sound..
[11:26] <Silent_G> thanks jhutchins
[11:26] <Associat0r> can anyone tell me why kcontrol is not mentioned as shortcut?
[11:26] <jhutchins> noaXess: Speakers not plugged in?  To correct jack?  Not on or turned up?
[11:26] <jhutchins> Associat0r: It's in the system menu.
[11:26] <noaXess> no :)
[11:26] <Silent_G> probably you have to mute something called jack from alsa-mixer
[11:27] <Silent_G> thats what i had last time i had a problem with sound
[11:27] <noaXess> jhutchins: before in win vista the sound worked perfect.. now
[11:27] <noaXess> driver hda-intel seams to be ok, aplay -l list my card... sound system is enalbeld,
[11:27] <jhutchins> noaXess: So we've verified that the hardware's good.  Does alsamixer run in a console?
[11:27] <Associat0r> what is it called?
[11:27] <noaXess> alsa also enabled..
[11:27] <jhutchins> Associat0r: Dunno, I'm not on kubuntu here.
[11:28] <jhutchins> noaXess: YEs, but does alsamixer run?
[11:28] <noaXess> jhutchins: yep..
[11:28] <rjb> kcontrol is not in any menu by default
[11:28] <Associat0r> I always run the command kcontrol
[11:28] <jhutchins> noaXess: Inputs un-muted/enabled turned up?
[11:28] <Associat0r> rjb : why is that?
[11:28] <jhutchins> Associat0r: kdesu kcontrol
[11:28] <Joel> hey guys on AMD 64 how do you install flash for firefox
[11:28] <Joel> ?
[11:28] <rjb> Associat0r: no idea
[11:28] <jhutchins> !flash | joel
[11:28] <ubotu> joel: To install Flash see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/Flash - Flash 9 is now available in dapper-backports and edgy-backports - See also !Restricted and !Gnash
[11:29] <noaXess> jhutchins: all is up.. if i plugin in a headset, and go to 100% sound then is hear only chrchr..chrchr...chrchr if i make a sound test..
[11:29] <hsatera> anyone here uses gtalk and can talk trough linux?
[11:29] <noaXess> hsatera: jep it work..
[11:29] <hsatera> jep?
[11:29] <mcrandello> is gutsy going to make my computer explode if I upgrade?
[11:29] <noaXess> hsatera: over kopete..
[11:29] <jhutchins> noaXess: Does your sound card have an spdif output you're not using?
[11:29] <hsatera> but will the voice work?
[11:29] <mcrandello> figuratively that is
[11:29] <sander> mcrandello: very probably
[11:29] <mcrandello> crap
[11:30] <sander> i meant literally, though
[11:30] <jhutchins> mcrandello: Gutsy is in #ubuntu+1.
[11:30] <hsatera> no1uknow,
[11:30] <noaXess> jhutchins: its a notebook.. with onboard scard.. no spdif
[11:30] <Associat0r> ahh at least linux mint system icon starts up kcontrol
[11:30] <Associat0r> the nornal kcontrol with teh tree view
[11:31] <jhutchins> noaXess: Hm.  I'm runnin' out of ideas here.
[11:31] <Associat0r> not the XP like thing icon thing
[11:31] <jhutchins> noaXess: Possibly you've enabled/turned up something that conflicts.
[11:31] <noaXess> jhutchins: me too ;)
[11:31] <jhutchins> noaXess: Can you play sound from the console/
[11:31] <jhutchins> ?
[11:31] <mcrandello> I just want to try the kde 4 beta without compiling
[11:31] <mcrandello> :(
[11:31] <hsatera> noaXess, voice will work?
[11:31] <noaXess> jhutchins: i read on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting that reinstall sound will fix the problem.. just try..
[11:31] <jhutchins> mcrandello: It breaks.
[11:31] <noaXess> hsatera: i duno.. but talk will work..
[11:32] <jhutchins> noaXess: Worth a shot.
[11:32] <hsatera> talk is easy
[11:32] <hsatera> :P
[11:32] <mcrandello> jhutchins: kde4 or gutsy or both?
[11:32] <hsatera> i was trying ta
[11:32] <hsatera> tapioca
[11:32] <hoens1> I'm trying to use dmraid but it keeps saying "No RAID disks"... does anyone know what's wrong?
[11:32] <jhutchins> mcrandello: Um... I don't think gutsy's gone beta yet, definitely kde4 isn't beta yet.
[11:32] <mcrandello> http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-beta1.php
[11:32] <jhutchins> mcrandello: Both are released only for testing purposes.
[11:33] <jhutchins> mcrandello: Ah, that was the one then.
[11:33] <jhutchins> mcrandello: Yeah, see that "beta1"?
[11:33] <noaXess> !sound
[11:33] <ubotu> If you're having problems with sound, first ensure ARTS is running, by going to K Menu -> System Settings -> Sound System and making sure "Enable the sound system" is checked. If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP3
[11:33] <jhutchins> mcrandello: That means "Please help us find the bugs that cause this to break."
[11:33] <mcrandello> jhutchins: that's fine
[11:33] <dhq> i have a pendrive but it is very slow in transfering data
[11:33] <jhutchins> mcrandello: KDE prefers that you bugtest from their packages and not from re-packaged binaries.
[11:34] <jhutchins> mcrandello: They will usually not accept bugreports from binary betas.
[11:34] <mcrandello> that was linked to from the kde site iirc
[11:35] <jhutchins> mcrandello: Lots of stuff is in beta right now, kde4, mandriva 2008, and gutsy is essentially beta.
[11:35] <dhq> i have a pendrive but it is very slow in transfering data in windows it works fine in kubuntu its so slowww
[11:36] <noaXess> jhutchins: it work.. :) in kmix, external amplifier was enabled.. duno what that should be..??
[11:37] <mcrandello> jhutchins: okay
[11:39] <noaXess> does anybody know, why mozilla thunderbird 2.x is not in the default mirrors? firefox 2.x, even lateste 2.0.0.6 is in mirrors..
[11:40] <mcrandello> I guess I'll just wait till they decide to put it in the backports then :(
[11:40] <noaXess> backports?
[11:40] <noaXess> !backports
[11:40] <ubotu> If new updated Ubuntu packages are built for an application, then they go into Ubuntu Backports. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuBackports - See also !packaging
[11:41] <nicolai_> noaXess: Apparently because demand for Firefox is greater than for Thunderbird
[11:42] <mcrandello> noaXess: Yeah I already enabled the backports
[11:43] <mcrandello> apt-cache policy kde4base gives me 3.91.0-0ubuntu3~feisty1 0 even though they say it's available on the announcement since yesterday ;_;
[11:44] <`Xera`> Has anybody got a SpeedTouch 330 USB modem working in 7.04?
[11:45] <hoens1> has anyone here used mdraid in ubuntu?
[11:46] <sfire> `Xera`: does it have ethernet ability?
[11:46] <`Xera`> nop
[11:46] <`Xera`> http://cosmos.oninetspeed.pt/jose.bernardo/st330_small.jpg
[11:46] <`Xera`> that's it
[11:47] <sfire> I highly doubt you will get it working ... (keep in mind thats without researching it)
[11:47] <`Xera`> well
[11:47] <`Xera`> it worked in 6.06
[11:47] <sfire> hmmm
[11:47] <`Xera`> using http://www.linux-usb.org/SpeedTouch/ubuntu/index.html
[11:47] <sfire> well then that gives it much more hope
[11:47] <`Xera`> and it worked once in 7.04 using something that I found called 'neogui'
[11:47] <`Xera`> but I can't find neogui again
[11:48] <`Xera`> I tried using https://launchpad.net/usb-adsl-modem-manager
[11:48] <`Xera`> and it hangs on 'synchronizing'
[11:48] <`Xera`> sorry, synchronized
[11:48] <`Xera`> but apt can't connect
[11:48] <`Xera`> neither can konqueror
[11:48] <sfire> `Xera`: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EasyUsbAdsl
[11:48] <sfire> have you seen that link?
[11:49] <`Xera`> no, I'll take a look. thanks :)
[11:49] <noaXess> !dualview
[11:49] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about dualview - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:49] <noaXess> !dualhead
[11:49] <ubotu> Information about dual-head on linux can be found on http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/DualHead - See also !Xinerama
[11:50] <noaXess> !Xinerama
[11:50] <ubotu> xinerama is an extension to !X to use two or more physical displays as one large virtual display. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/XineramaHowTo - See also !DualHead
[11:50] <sfire> `Xera`: http://www.thomson-broadband.co.uk/codepages/content3.asp?c=7&ProductID=471 for the firmware blob
[11:51] <`Xera`> I have the firmware
[11:51] <`Xera`> there's a .deb somewhere
[11:51] <Associat0r> how do you edit the start menu?
[11:51] <sfire> Associat0r: right click it
[11:52] <sfire> use the "menu editor"
[11:52] <sfire> Associat0r: same as windows basically :)
[11:52] <Associat0r> I mean appearence of the start menu
[11:52] <Associat0r> functionality
[11:52] <Associat0r> of it
[11:53] <sfire> ohhh .... ???? I never mess around with the looks just making it work.  everything on my system is set to the defaults
[11:55] <`Xera`> uh sfire, isn't that page just asking for the necessary stuff to be included in Kubuntu? :|
[11:55] <sfire> not sure.. I saw it and figured it may lead you in the right direction
[11:56] <sfire> I have no experience with USB modems myself
[11:56] <sfire> personally I would get a modem and throw that away
[11:56] <`Xera`> ok
[11:56] <`Xera`> I'm ordering Be 24mbit internet which comes with an ethernet router but that's not coming for at least 2 weeks
[11:57] <hoens1> anyone have any recommendation as to partitions i should have for a 2tb drive?
[11:57] <`Xera`> so I'm stuck on Windows which isn't really a bad thing but I'd prefer to be in Kubuntu ;p
[11:57] <sfire> `Xera`: I know the feeling.. because of my printer I still have winblows :(
[11:58] <`Xera`> because of my Fail-ATI 9250 256MB PCI graphics card I have to use Winblows
[11:58] <`Xera`> can't run Source on it
[11:58] <sfire> hoens1: I don't have 2tb but I have mine setup with a 4gb swap, 10gb /, and the rest /home/
[11:58] <`Xera`> not to mention ATI linux drivers blow
[11:58] <sfire> `Xera`: I have a ATI card also but I got it working in kubuntu
[11:59] <sfire> took a lot of doing to get it to work properly though
[11:59] <`Xera`> yeah
[11:59] <`Xera`> I'm getting myself a nVidia 8800 when I get a PCI-E mobo
[11:59] <`Xera`> :3
[11:59] <`Xera`> anyway
[11:59] <`Xera`> afk for a bit
[12:12] <jhutchins> My radeon worked great from first boot.
[12:14] <`Xera`> well
[12:14] <dyingofrobbery> what is the program that allows you to run win32 programs?
[12:14] <`Xera`> Kubuntu doesn't come with a driver for my ATI 9250
[12:14] <`Xera`> dyingofrobbery, wine
[12:14] <`Xera`> I have to edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[12:14] <`Xera`> and change driver to 'vesa'
[12:14] <`Xera`> which is some old crappy driver
[12:14] <dyingofrobbery> isnt wine the directx emulator?
[12:14] <`Xera`> wine is not an emulator
[12:14] <`Xera`> :p
[12:14] <dyingofrobbery> whatever
[12:15] <`Xera`> it ports the Windows API (AFAIK)
[12:15] <dyingofrobbery> ill start resorting to just referencing by just function