[12:35] <Mo0oSaH> Which version of KDE will come with kubuntu Gutsy?
[12:36] <pvandewyngaerde> 3.5 i guess, and later 4 packages
[12:36] <Mo0oSaH> When does KDE 4 come out?
[12:39] <pvandewyngaerde> 23 oktober
[12:39] <pvandewyngaerde> beta 1 is just out
[12:41] <pvandewyngaerde>  October 23, 2007: Targeted Release Date for KDE 4.0
[02:22] <opop> hai
[02:22] <Pici> hello?
[02:22] <opop> hello!
[02:23] <opop> so, like, what's up?
[02:52] <starz> !gutsy
[02:52] <ubotu> Gutsy Gibbon is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (7.10). See https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2007-April/000276.html and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyReleaseSchedule - Roadmap and specifications: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/gutsy - Support in #ubuntu+1
[02:56] <starz> is installing with a sepeate /boot partition nessisarally destructive?
[02:58] <RAOF> starz: No.  But you *will* have to format your / partition.
[03:04] <starz> mm
[03:04] <starz> RAOF: i think im gonna shrink and split the partition on my usb key
[03:04] <starz> /dev/sda1             114M   35M   73M  33% /boot
[03:04] <starz> lots of space left - no reason not to - just make it two partitions equal size should be good
[03:04] <starz> i'm guessing should be able to keep 2 -3 kernels each and not trip
[03:06] <RAOF> I had a 50Mb /boot at one point, and it was annoying.
[03:11] <defcon> how do I change the mouse pointer in gutsy
[03:11] <DanaG> I have my /boot at 128 megs or so.
[03:12] <Pici> defcon: The same way you did in feisty?
[03:12] <defcon> gutsy doesnt like usb wifi cards, it gets a kernel panic with rt73 drivers from serial monkey, and gutsy doesnt support it
[03:12] <defcon> Pici, system/preferences/mouse does not give me the option
[03:12] <Pici> defcon: Its in apperance, under customize
[03:13] <Pici> I've been using gutsy for so long I forgot what feisty looks like
[03:13] <defcon> haha thankyou
[03:21] <defcon> Pici, do u have any idea why I get a kernel panic when I plug in my usb wifi card
[03:22] <defcon> its rather annoying, im running gutsy with ck's patchset because I cant run 2.6.22-9 without a crash
[03:23] <defcon> i tried 2.6.22-rt and 2.6.22-386 and I can plug it in with those but the driver does not modprobe
[03:24] <defcon> am I likely to have problems with another kernel other than gutsy's
[03:27] <Pici> I have no idea, Perhaps you should check out the support page for that module: http://rt2x00.serialmonkey.com/wiki/index.php?title=Rt2x00Wiki:Community_Portal
[03:45] <BLuesKaj> which repos contains the libdvdcss2 and win32 codecs for gutsy ?
[03:46] <Hobbsee> !codecs
[03:46] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[03:48] <IdleOne> !seveas
[03:48] <ubotu> Seveas has a popular 3rd party repository for several packages. More info (and mirrors) on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages
[03:48] <IdleOne> not sure if he has gutsy packages yet but take a look
[03:48] <BLuesKaj> seveas hasn't been reliable lately , down most of the time
[03:49] <RAOF> !medibuntu
[03:49] <ubotu> medibuntu is a repository of packages that cannot be included into the Ubuntu distribution for legal reasons - See http://www.medibuntu.org
[03:49] <IdleOne> considering he has a personal repo that he admins on personal time and makes packages that work for ubuntu I think we can put up with some downtime
[03:49] <RAOF> Everyone, use that ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ :)
[03:49] <Pici> BLuesKaj: Seveas's repos have a few mirrors, you could use a different one
[03:49] <RAOF> IdleOne: You're not using one of the mirrors?
[03:50] <IdleOne> RAOF, I dont have any issues with seveas repos
[03:50] <AnRkey> does anyone know how i would go about getting a 3rd party project sub-forum on ubuntuforums.org? I have already send a message via the site to the webmaster but have not received a reply yet. Any help would be cool...
[03:51] <Hobbsee> AnRkey: #ubuntuforums, not here
[03:51] <Hobbsee> AnRkey: this has nothing to do with UF
[03:51] <BLuesKaj> yes i understand , IdleOne , just installed gutsy and i'm a bit peeved at the fact that 3D and DRI seems to be difficult to set up
[03:52] <Hobbsee> BLuesKaj: which card?
[03:52] <Pici> You do realize its not released yet...
[03:52] <BLuesKaj> and I'm in the process of setting up my fav apps atm
[03:52] <BLuesKaj> ati :(
[03:52] <IdleOne> BLuesKaj, that comes with running pre-release OS
[03:52] <AnRkey> Hobbsee, very sorry
[03:52] <Hobbsee> AnRkey: no problem
[03:53] <Hobbsee> BLuesKaj: ah right.  restricted-manager?
[03:53] <Goldfisch> Are people upgrading from feisty to gutsy the old fashioned way (apt-get dist-upgrade after modifying /etc/apt/sources.list), or using update-manager -d? I have tried update-manager, but it fails, so I'm curious.
[03:54] <Pici> I did it the old fashioned way, because it was back in Tribe 1
[03:55] <Hobbsee> mine was pre-tribe 1, so...
[03:55] <Hobbsee> actually, i think i did a clean install from t2
[03:55] <Pici> To be honest, I've always updated by changing the sources.list file.
[03:56] <chx> in about one week, i'll get a laptop and that one more or less requires xserver-xorg-video-intel_2.x . What could I do? it's been request for feisty backport but that failed because it also needs xorg 1.3 ...
[03:57] <Goldfisch> That is the way I did business when I used to run debian. I like update-manager, and the last time where I upgraded edgy to feisty after it was released, went without a problem.
[03:57] <praecox> you guys suck
[03:57] <IdleOne> praecox, ty
[03:57] <IdleOne> what is wrong that you cant fix?
[03:57] <Goldfisch> I'm chomping at the bit to get thunderbird 2 and also eclipse is fixed to work with sun-java6.
[03:57] <praecox> at least as much as I do...
[03:58] <BLuesKaj> Goldfisch: I tried the aptitude dist-upgrade and modded sources list route but i wasn't successful ,lots of stuff broke and screwed my Xorg file which i tried to edit at the prompt but no joy so i just used windows to DL and burn tribe 3 and dia clean install
[03:58] <praecox> IdleOne, you didn't answer my question.
[03:58] <IdleOne> what question
[03:58] <praecox> IdleOne, or at least I've been disconnected and couldn't continue our conversation...
[03:58] <praecox> 170459 < praecox> IdleOne, well, there's one internet. but don't you think 'new internet' with cleaned out all domains (paralelly coexisting with current internet) would be interesting way to advertize for many companies all over the world?
[03:58] <praecox> 170538 < praecox> showing 'new way of thinking', new websites, new images of those companies?
[03:59] <praecox> 170622 < praecox> and would be good way to let someone buy domain which is already occupied by someone else on first internet?
[03:59] <BLuesKaj> praecox:  nice attitude
[03:59] <praecox> BLuesKaj, thank you, my pleasure.
[03:59] <praecox> ;)
[03:59] <Goldfisch> BLuesKaj: Well, I'm not chomping at the bit THAT much for gutsy.
[04:00] <IdleOne> praecox, I answered that question about 6 hours ago and NO I dont think it's a good idea. makes absolutely no sense for me to register google.com2 when google,com already exists and does a fine job
[04:00] <BLuesKaj> I'm sure they just luv you in here
[04:00] <praecox> IdleOne, I know you probably did. I was disconnected, sorry.
[04:00] <IdleOne> so the next time you have something intelligent to say like " you guys suck " DONT!
[04:01] <praecox> IdleOne, oh, sorry. I'm just drunk.
[04:01] <praecox> IdleOne, don't take it seriously.
[04:01] <Goldfisch> Good idea. When you are drunk, come into an IRC chat room. Makes sense to me....
[04:01] <IdleOne> praecox, you cant even keep yourself connected to the current internet what makes you think you can convince me to connet to your internet
[04:02] <IdleOne> praecox, go have anoher beer. relax and have a good night. see ya tomorow
[04:02] <praecox> IdleOne, actually irc.freenode.net couldn't keep me connected.
[04:02] <IdleOne> yeah blame the server that handles over 50 connects a day
[04:02] <IdleOne> 50thousand
[04:03] <IdleOne> heh
[04:03] <IdleOne> well my wife is calling
[04:03] <IdleOne> night folks
[04:03] <praecox> whatever...
[04:03] <praecox> 'nite
[04:03] <IdleOne> hehe
[04:04] <Goldfisch> IdleOne: Was that a fast one you pulled, or are you really heading out?
[04:04] <IdleOne> gotta love drunk people. was I even close with the amount of connections per day?
[04:04] <IdleOne> yeah Im going soon
[04:04] <Goldfisch> Heh
[04:04] <Goldfisch> Well, I'm heading back to regular ubuntu channel. Good luck with filing bug reports with the gutsy team...
[04:07] <BLuesKaj> do seveas pkgs run on gutsy ?
[04:08] <databuddy> good question :P
[04:08] <Hobbsee> "try it"
[04:08] <Hobbsee> does it have a gutsy repository?
[04:09] <databuddy> #AAAAAA
[04:09] <BLuesKaj> lookibg just see feisty so far
[04:10] <databuddy> <3 sevaeas
[04:10] <databuddy> yaknow BLuesKaj / Hobbsee
[04:10] <databuddy> its really REALLY amazing how far linux has come the last 4 years
[04:10] <databuddy> seriously i only use windows to hack my cell phone now :D
[04:10] <databuddy> next is when i get a quad core and go ahead and add encryption to everything >:P
[04:11] <databuddy> cant wait till there's room for that kekekkeke
[04:11] <BLuesKaj> databuddy: can you post the debs
[04:11] <databuddy> BLuesKaj: ?
[04:11] <databuddy> i didnt mean for gutsy i meant in general
[04:11] <BLuesKaj> the seveas repository debs
[04:11] <databuddy> what are you looking for though?
[04:11] <databuddy> specifally
[04:11] <BLuesKaj> w32codecs and libdvdcss2
[04:11] <databuddy> ah
[04:12] <databuddy> 1. totem-xine
[04:12] <databuddy> 2. mplayer
[04:12] <databuddy> !restricted codecs
[04:12] <databuddy> !medibuntu
[04:12] <ubotu> medibuntu is a repository of packages that cannot be included into the Ubuntu distribution for legal reasons - See http://www.medibuntu.org
[04:12] <kiba> hi
[04:12] <Hobbsee> databuddy: just install libdvdread3, and run install-mp3.sh
[04:12] <Hobbsee> that'll give you the libdvdcss2
[04:12] <databuddy> or that?
[04:13] <databuddy> http://mirror3.ubuntulinux.nl/dists/gutsy-seveas/
[04:13] <Hobbsee> (use locate to find it)
[04:13] <Hobbsee> there you go, then
[04:13] <BLuesKaj> thx
[04:13] <angeldarkholme> hi guys...I need some help please:  i have ubuntu 7.04 working on a dell laptop with an intel 3945 wireless card, everything works fine but i want the gnome network manager to show the wireless networks and I doens't show them...
[04:13] <angeldarkholme> If i try at the command line "iwlist eth1 scan" the wireless networks are shown.....
[04:13] <angeldarkholme> how can I solve this problem?
[04:13] <databuddy> looks like he's still working on it
[04:13] <databuddy> angeldarkholme: #ubuntu
[04:13] <databuddy> this is +1 == 7.10 now
[04:14] <angeldarkholme> :O
[04:14] <angeldarkholme> sorry...i didn't know that...
[04:14] <databuddy> as someone else said
[04:14] <angeldarkholme> is it really different?
[04:14] <databuddy> i think a lot of ppl thik this is superubuntu
[04:14] <angeldarkholme> I mean...non of you can help ?
[04:14] <Hobbsee> databuddy: as in, the people who know more tend to be here.
[04:15] <databuddy> Hobbsee: me being the exception to the rule!
[04:15] <databuddy> ok finished reinstalling gutsy
[04:15] <Hobbsee> angeldarkholme: nm applet should show the networks, after running the iwlist eth1 scan?
[04:15] <databuddy> btw no umbiguity problem with tribe 3 ;P
[04:15] <angeldarkholme> no.....
[04:15] <angeldarkholme> I can see the wireless networks only in the command line
[04:15] <Hobbsee> angeldarkholme: then ask in #ubuntu
[04:16] <angeldarkholme> ok...thanks...
[04:26] <masterloki> gutsy hanging on boot -
[04:26] <Hobbsee> masterloki: doesnt here.  have you found out why?
[04:26] <masterloki> says that hde4 has been mounted 32 times w/o being chekced
[04:26] <masterloki> Hobbsee, ??
[04:26] <Hobbsee> masterloki: then wait.  does it get thru the fsck?
[04:27] <databuddy> thats the thing im not sure how long i should wait
[04:27] <Hobbsee> wait until it finishes.
[04:27] <databuddy> even tho its not showing anything on screen?
[04:27] <Hobbsee> how long it takes depends on how big your drive is, obviously
[04:27] <databuddy> usually there is a progress bar
[04:27] <Hobbsee> doesnt it show a moving black bar?
[04:27] <databuddy> exactly.
[04:27] <Hobbsee> well, white bar on black screen?
[04:27] <databuddy> none of that
[04:27] <databuddy> and no
[04:27] <Hobbsee> how'd you find it was fsck'ing, then?
[04:28] <databuddy> b/c when fsck runs it clears /dev/hde2 and says /dev/hde4 needs to be done and then that /dev/sda1 is good and nothing else happens
[04:28] <databuddy> i let it go 5 minutes a bit ago
[04:28] <Hobbsee> how big is hde4?
[04:28] <databuddy> mm
[04:28] <databuddy> 160gigs
[04:28] <Hobbsee> ....right.
[04:28] <Hobbsee> then you probably have been killing it part way thru?
[04:29] <databuddy> /boot is on sda1 and thats on thumbdrive
[04:29] <databuddy> Hobbsee, only if its actually doing somthing i suppose
[04:29] <databuddy> i'll give it 15 then
[04:29] <Hobbsee> this is true - actually, reboot without "quiet splash", and watch the verbose output
[04:29] <databuddy> did =P
[04:29] <Hobbsee> ah :)
[04:29] <databuddy> thats how i boot standard
[04:29] <databuddy> i like seeing all the crazy stuff
[04:30] <databuddy> like how i have irregular ata osmething or other
[04:30] <Hobbsee> you could probably manually fsck that partition, though, somehow.
[04:30] <databuddy> livecd ?
[04:30] <databuddy> tried going to recovery mode but that didnt do it either got stuck same point
[04:30] <Hobbsee> yeah, live cd would probably be needed
[04:31] <Hobbsee> well, unless you have another linux on there
[04:31] <databuddy> and i'm sure there's a dont check option but it _should
[04:31] <Hobbsee> or something with fsck
[04:31] <databuddy> _ be checked
[04:31] <databuddy> oh i do
[04:31] <databuddy> feisty on /dev/sda1 and /dev/hde2 /home is on /dev/hde4
[04:32] <databuddy> gutsy on /dev/sda2 and /dev/hdf1 and /home is on /dev/hde4
[04:33] <Hobbsee> right.
[04:33] <Hobbsee> live cd may be safer, then
[04:34] <databuddy> agreed
[04:34] <databuddy> but i'
[04:34] <databuddy> ll give it 15 miin
[04:53] <xsacha> hey, flash is broken right now in gutsy right?
[04:53] <xsacha> konqueror-plugins-ns or something?
[04:53] <dhgwill> it was working fine for me earlier (unless something happened in the last 3 hrs)
[04:53] <xsacha> maybe only konqueror plugins?
[04:53] <xsacha> past 3 days here
[04:53] <dhgwill> yikes.
[04:53] <dhgwill> that's a long time to be without flash :)
[04:54] <xsacha> so im wondering, how do i revert a package? i forgot the command gr
[04:54] <databuddy> wow - hobbsee was right as usual
[04:54] <xsacha> if i visit a page that has flash on it, browser freezes
[04:55] <databuddy> flash working in ff here
[04:55] <xsacha> yeah konqueror is the prob.
[04:55] <databuddy> used its own installer
[04:55] <xsacha> im just using the open source flash
[04:55] <databuddy> ah
[04:56] <databuddy> dunno then
[04:56] <dhgwill> ack
[04:56] <dhgwill> if you know the old package name, you can specify...
[04:56] <dhgwill> i think.
[04:57] <xsacha> yeah, do you know the command?
[04:57] <dhgwill> sudo apt-get install flash-free=something or other
[04:57] <xsacha> been searching google but obviously "revert" is the wrong word :(
[04:57] <xsacha> ah ok
[04:57] <dhgwill> yeah, for real.
[04:57] <dhgwill> i mean, i'm just guessing as regards specifics, there, but i think that should work.
[04:58] <xsacha> i think it happened after i updated konqueror-nsplugins (or something), not actual flash tho
[04:58] <dhgwill> i'm looking at tribe 3 package repo
[04:58] <dhgwill> or trying to :)
[04:58] <xsacha> konqueror-plugin-gnash maybe
[04:59] <xsacha> should be an easier way to revert. like "revert last update" sort of thing
[04:59] <dhgwill> yeah, i've heard that before.
[04:59] <dhgwill> you'd think there'd be something or other keeping track...
[05:00] <dhgwill> in synaptic there is a force version option
[05:01] <dhgwill> find the package you updated, then select "Package:Force version"
[05:03] <xsacha> mm too bad dont have synaptic
[05:04] <dhgwill> haha, alright
[05:05] <xsacha> my flash plugin is a netscape plugin
[05:05] <xsacha> problem started after i updated konqueror and konqueror-nsplugins
[05:05] <xsacha> there's no other versions of it available :(
[05:06] <dhgwill> really? shouldn't you have the old package in your package cache?
[05:06] <xsacha> mmm
[05:07] <xsacha> when i do policy it only shows one version
[05:07] <xsacha> apt-cache policy
[05:09] <xsacha> grr adept just crashed
[05:09] <dhgwill> i think i've reached the limit of my helpfulness, although i can keep googling... which version do you have installed now?
[05:09] <xsacha> 3.5.7-ubuntu15
[05:10] <xsacha>   Installed: 4:3.5.7-1ubuntu15
[05:12] <dhgwill> well, there's a bug report... apparently, this is related the gtk issues...
[05:12] <dhgwill> er, related to
[05:12] <dhgwill> there's a workaround that involves downgrading the gtk package
[05:12] <dhgwill> "It is fixed for now by installing the downgraded package  libgtk2.0-0_2.10.11-0ubuntu3_i386.deb, but then adept wants to upgrade it and reports a whole swag of broken packages."
[05:14] <dhgwill> this looks relevant: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openoffice.org/+bug/127944/comments/41
[05:14] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 127944 in openoffice.org "[gutsy] Open Office applications don't start " [High,Confirmed] 
[05:14] <xsacha> thanks dhgwill!!
[05:15] <dhgwill> np, hope it works! now i've got to go.
[05:15] <dhgwill> ciao!
[05:15] <xsacha> not sure how to downgrade tho :P
[05:15] <xsacha> thx, cya
[05:15] <dhgwill> lol
[05:15] <dhgwill> good luck
[05:19] <xsacha> bah ill just use firefox
[05:38] <necronekostar> !wine
[05:38] <ubotu> wine is a compatibility layer for running Windows programs on GNU/Linux. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Wine for more information.
[06:42] <necronekostar> Message: device: default /// Gdk-ERROR **: BadMatch (invalid parameter attributes) ////  serial 200 error_code 8 request_code 2 minor_code 0
[06:42] <necronekostar> any ideas?
[06:43] <necronekostar> cant start xmms
[06:43] <necronekostar> grah!
[06:43] <necronekostar> thats my alarm too ;_;
[06:54] <starz> grah
[06:54] <starz> so yeah xmms wont start - totem will / mplayer will / gkrellm will
[06:54] <MajorPayne> Heh.  Just before you got here someone else was saying xmms wont start.
[06:56] <shirish> MajorPayne: you are right, it was somebody named necronekostar
[06:57] <shirish> he also gave the error message when it happened
[06:57] <shirish> Message: device: default /// Gdk-ERROR **: BadMatch (invalid parameter attributes) ////  serial 200 error_code 8 request_code 2 minor_code 0
[06:57] <shirish> starz: are you getting the same or similar error message?
[06:59] <starz> shirish: if youve been in a sec
[06:59] <starz> MajorPayne: that was me
[06:59] <databuddy> ;p
[06:59] <MajorPayne> Stormx2: Ohh.
[07:00] <databuddy> shirish: yeah something like that tho
[07:00] <MajorPayne> err, databuddy ohh.
[07:00] <databuddy> nice nick tho MajorPayne
[07:18] <databuddy> shirish: so now that i got a couple things done and im looking at it lol
[07:18] <databuddy> that was the mssg that i had posted
[07:19] <databuddy> lol funneh how things dont always register at first
[07:19] <databuddy> anyway so yeah - any ideas on that?
[07:19] <databuddy> its a 64bit install as well for the record
[07:23] <shirish> no idea, don't use xmms, use exaile & its cool for me
[07:25] <shirish> databuddy: also xmms is deprecated, try xmms2 - its supposed to be better
[07:25] <databuddy> xmms 2 isnt gui i think
[07:27] <shirish> databuddy: I haven't used xmms2 as I am happy with exaile, i just caught some discussions sometime before on xmms
[08:17] <defcon> any alternative for bootlogd on gutsy
[08:17] <defcon> I cannot seem to log my boot
[08:18] <defcon> my kernel panics on boot and I need to log it for a bug report
[08:20] <defcon> im going to try this new kernel
[09:09] <nzk> Is it possible to update to Gutsy without downloading the image and installing it from a disk?
[09:09] <nzk> Hey tmske
[09:09] <tmske> Hey nzk :-)
[09:10] <jussi01> nzk: yes
[09:10] <tmske> Is it possible to upgrade to gutsy with update-manager -d? Or is only manual update possible at the moment?
[09:10] <nzk> jussi01: How?
[09:10] <nzk> tmske: yes.
[09:11] <tmske> nzk: but it doesn't seem to work for me, it doesn't show the upgrade to gutsy button
[09:12] <nzk> Iuno
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[09:19] <jussi01> Hmm, is konq broken with flash? is anyone else having this problem?
[09:19] <jussi01> firefox is working fine...
[09:20] <Hobbsee> jussi01: again, the answer hasnt changed.  there are still bugs about it
[09:21] <jussi01> Hobbsee: hmmm, didnt see the answer last time then... ;)
[09:21] <Hobbsee> i though tyou did, as you responded to it :)
[09:21] <jussi01> hehe, nope, mustve been half asleep...
[09:22] <jussi01> I just remembered you saying something about not using konq and flash
[09:24] <jussi01> Hobbsee: can you tell me some of the other qt browsers out there? (if they exist?)
[09:24] <Hobbsee> i dont knjow of otehrs apart from konq
[09:24] <Hobbsee> but that doesnt mean they dontexist
[09:25] <jussi01> ok, thanks, Id like to use something native, but konq is a bit annoying sometimes, and I dont like opera....
[09:41] <jussi01> hmmm, why did we lose kubuntu package manager and get gdebi?
[09:42] <Hobbsee> jussi01: it's gdebi-kde
[09:42] <Hobbsee> jussi01: more robust
[09:42] <jussi01> oh, ok
[10:43] <_EXP> anyone familiar with ltsp5?
[10:44] <_EXP> need some details about ltspfs in LTSP5
[12:53] <tmske> someone an idea why update-manager -d doesn't show gutsy to upgrade to in feisty
[12:56] <stdin> do you have the feisty-updates repo?
[12:56] <stdin> uh, feisty-proposed not -updates
[01:29] <tatters> I upgraded feisty to gusty, left with 2 packages that cannot be installed, digicam and ubuntu-studio,I assume ubuntustudio-audio is a meta package and not a problem,how do I find out what preventing them from installing
[01:29] <Xemanth> tatters: why everybody say it as gusty always
[01:30] <Xemanth> same happened with feisty, everybody said it as fiesty
[01:30] <Xemanth> :|
[01:30] <tatters> lol, I am bad speller that my excuse
[01:30] <tatters> yup I only just learned to get feisty right way round
[01:31] <Xemanth> try apt-get -f install
[01:31] <tatters> tried that to sort other probs out
[01:31] <tatters> so just left with those 2 unresolved
[01:32] <Xemanth> whats the exact error what it says?
[01:34] <tatters> The following packages have been kept back:  digikam ubuntustudio-audio0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 2 not upgraded.
[01:35] <Pici> tatters: try doing a dist-upgrade/full-upgrade
[01:37] <tatters> tried that in apt manager it refuse to change the to install and synaptic manager gives basically same message as above
[01:38] <tatters> refuses to change the not installed to install ^^
[01:43] <tatters> k,thnx fixed it, I used the -f on individual packages this time not the upgrade digikam installed fine,ubuntustudio-audio gives message The following packages have unmet dependencies.  ubuntustudio-audio: Depends: ardour but it is not installable
[01:48] <tatters> hmm, Package ardour has no installation candidate
[01:48] <IdleOne> !ardour
[01:48] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ardour - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:49] <IdleOne> !info ardour
[01:49] <ubotu> Package ardour does not exist in gutsy
[01:49] <Pici> I see ardour-grk
[01:49] <Pici> er, gtk
[01:49] <IdleOne> !info ardour feisty
[01:49] <ubotu> Package ardour does not exist in feisty
[01:51] <gnomefreak> that is a messed up depends
[01:52] <Pici> Sounds like its time to log a bug
[01:53] <topaspv> how can i request a new feature?
[01:54] <stdin> topaspv: make a blueprint or ask on the mailinglist
[01:55] <topaspv> what's a blueprint?
[01:55] <stdin> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/gutsy
[01:55] <topaspv> ok, thanks
[01:57] <gnomefreak> Pici: ardour FTBFS thats why its not installable
[01:57] <Pici> gnomefreak: FTBFS?
[01:57] <gnomefreak> fail to build
[01:57] <Pici> gnomefreak: ah...
[01:57] <coNP> !ftbfs
[01:57] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ftbfs - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:57] <Pici> Whats FS then?
[01:58] <coNP> oh I always forgot this is WIP :)
[01:58] <gnomefreak> not sure i think  filesystem
[01:58] <gnomefreak> i pasted that, i normally use FTB
[01:58] <Pici> Fails To Build From Source
[01:58] <Pici> :)
[01:58] <gnomefreak> yeah
[01:58] <gnomefreak> lol
[01:58] <Pici> wikipedia
[01:59] <Pici> I should probably enable that apt-ftbnewsthingy whatever its called
[01:59] <gnomefreak> apt-ftarchive?
[01:59] <Pici> apt-listbugs
[02:00] <Pici> http://debaday.debian.net/2007/08/01/apt-listbugs-lists-critical-bugs-before-each-apt-installation/
[02:00] <gnomefreak> ah that damn thing :(
[02:00] <gnomefreak> Pici: i used to use that, it gets annoying as crap
[02:01] <Pici> Oh.  I'll just stick with listchanges then
[02:08] <jussi01> it was recently...
[02:08] <coNP> some python-sip4 / python-qt3 issue
[02:08] <coNP> might be fixed since
[02:09] <coNP> a dist-upgrade of today
[02:09] <Pici> hm
[02:09] <gnomefreak> Pici: it is
[02:09] <Pici> Well then.
[02:10] <coNP> gnomefreak: I guess the reason is what you mentioned on -motu recently
[02:10] <gnomefreak> i just posted infot o Hobbsee
[02:10] <gnomefreak> coNP: thats all i can think of
[02:10] <gnomefreak> respin should fix it all
[02:10] <coNP> Cool. Then it will be fixed soon :)
[02:10] <gnomefreak> lol
[02:11] <gnomefreak> it gets like that sometimes and if i didnt need amarok today i would have passed it off as not to worry
[02:12] <coNP> If it gets fixed before reboot, I am saved :)
[02:12] <gnomefreak> me too i didnt do the upgrade
[02:12] <gnomefreak> if Hobbsee says that is the issue for sure i can start respinning if she llikes
[02:13] <coNP> what is respinning?
[02:13] <gnomefreak> coNP: rebuilding
[02:13] <coNP> thanks, gnomefreak
[02:13] <gnomefreak> since nothing changes it would be a spin :)
[02:13] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: what happens if you try removing amarok?
[02:13] <Hobbsee> (hit n to abort)
[02:13] <gnomefreak> Hobbsee: it removes it?
[02:13] <gnomefreak> lol
[02:13] <gnomefreak> hold on
[02:13] <Hobbsee> oh wait, don tworry
[02:14] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: that tends to be annoying to fix.
[02:14] <gnomefreak> The following packages will be REMOVED: amarok amarok-xine
[02:15] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: yeah, no, i found it.
[02:15] <gnomefreak> k
[02:15] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: i looked a little closer at the pastebin - it's what i thought
[02:15] <Pici> Where did you check to see that was the problem gnomefreak?
[02:15] <gnomefreak> Pici: thats the opnly package upgraded that kde apps depends on
[02:15] <gnomefreak> only*
[02:15] <gnomefreak> that was first glance
[02:16] <Pici> gnomefreak: Sorry, my mind is a little slow this morning, I meant with the ardour package.
[02:16] <gnomefreak> Pici: i asked :)
[02:17] <Pici> Oh.
[02:17] <gnomefreak> Pici: no ardour packages in gutsy atm (apt-cache search ardour)
[02:17] <Pici> gnomefreak: I noticed that.
[02:17] <gnomefreak> Pici: so i had to ask why it depended on something not in archive
[02:17] <gnomefreak> !find ardour
[02:17] <ubotu> Package/file ardour does not exist in gutsy
[02:17] <gnomefreak> !find ardour feisty
[02:17] <ubotu> Found: ardour-doc, ardour-gtk, ardour-gtk-dbg, ardour-gtk-i686, ardour-session-exchange
[02:18] <Toma-> !info ardour-gtk
[02:18] <ubotu> Package ardour-gtk does not exist in gutsy
[02:18] <Toma-> !info ardour2
[02:18] <ubotu> Package ardour2 does not exist in gutsy
[02:18] <Toma-> hmm.
[02:18] <gnomefreak> there is no ardour packages in gutsy they are fail to build
[02:19] <gnomefreak> due to scon:(
[02:19] <gnomefreak> scons*
[02:19] <Hobbsee> i thought that ardour got given back
[02:19] <gnomefreak> not sure i asked about it and they said FTBFS
[02:19] <Toma-> :o no wai
[02:20] <gnomefreak> that it was intentional
[02:20] <gnomefreak> ^^^ bothered me a bit
[02:21] <gnomefreak> Hobbsee: ty for the confirm on the kxdocker bug :)
[02:21] <gnomefreak> that was pissing me off
[02:21] <Toma-> I didnt see this in the ubuntustudio launchpad team.. hmm
[02:21] <Toma-> !find ardour
[02:21] <gnomefreak> Toma-: what that it depended on it?
[02:22] <ubotu> Package/file ardour does not exist in gutsy
[02:22] <Toma-> amazing
[02:22] <Toma-> that it wasnt included
[02:22] <gnomefreak> ah it will be once they fix the fail to build
[02:22] <gnomefreak> s/will/should
[02:22] <Toma-> links?
[02:22] <gnomefreak> Toma-: non atm
[02:22] <gnomefreak> none
[02:22] <Toma-> bummer
[02:22] <gnomefreak> Toma-: i talked to motu about this
[02:23] <Toma-> ahh great
[02:23] <Toma-> will it be included for RC1?
[02:24] <gnomefreak> Toma-: it should be included soon since a faily popular app needs it
[02:24] <gnomefreak> fairly
[02:24] <Toma-> well thats good
[02:24] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: heh.  me too, as people kepe coming to me about it, etc
[02:25] <gnomefreak> if i knew wth a scon was maybe i would look at it
[02:25] <Toma-> automated build process
[02:25] <gnomefreak> ah
[02:25] <Toma-> instead of ./configure && make && make install, its just 'scons install'
[02:26] <Pici> Arent scons those pastries?
[02:26] <Toma-> scones :D
[02:26] <gnomefreak> scones
[02:26] <Toma-> pumpkins ones are the best
[02:26] <jussi01> no no no... normal ones with jam and cream
[02:28] <gnomefreak> Hobbsee: if you need a hand let me know im free most of morning
[02:28] <gnomefreak> well night for you :)
[02:28] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: you could fix ardour :)
[02:29] <gnomefreak> lol
[02:29] <Hobbsee> (ew, scons)
[02:29] <Hobbsee> http://launchpadlibrarian.net/8560865/buildlog_ubuntu-gutsy-i386.ardour_1%3A2.0.3-1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[02:29] <Hobbsee> get to it :)
[02:29] <gnomefreak> looking
[02:30] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: on the other hand, syncing it may just fix the ftbfs.
[02:30] <gnomefreak> i would have assumed joe would have thought of that
[02:30] <Hobbsee> ie, if it's broken here, and it breaks on the new version, there's not much of a net loss :)
[02:33] <PriceChild> Hobbsee, screw testing.... :P
[02:33] <Hobbsee> PriceChild: no, no, if it's already absolutely broken, it cant get much worse :P
[02:34] <PriceChild> :)
[02:34] <Hobbsee> :P
[02:34] <jussi01> :)
[02:36] <gnomefreak> thats not a very helpful failure :(
[02:37] <gnomefreak> and i thought mozilla failures were hard to find/read
[02:38] <gnomefreak> thats odd
[02:50] <gnomefreak> Hobbsee: you wanna know something strange. ardour is in the repos apt-get source it same version that failed
[02:50] <gnomefreak> how exactly does that happen
[02:50] <gnomefreak> if binaries FTB than source shouldnt have gone through
[02:53] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: sources go thru even if it ftbfs
[02:54] <gnomefreak> oh thats odd
[02:54] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: the sources get accepted, then the binaries get built
[02:54] <Pici> Makes sense...
[02:55] <Toma-> imho, looks like the source is botched
[02:55] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: it's always been that way :)
[02:55] <gnomefreak> lol
[03:13] <coNP> Is there a way to tell Firefox to middle-click open tabs right after the original tab and not at the end of tabs?
[03:33] <kiba> how to enable 3d accleration in opengl?
[03:33] <kiba> I mean
[03:34] <kiba> how to enable 3d accleration? I got a nvidia graphic card
[03:35] <Pici> !nvidia
[03:35] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[03:35] <Pici> kiba: Or you can just enable it via te restriced drivers manager
[03:35] <kiba> where in kubuntu?
[03:37] <Pici> I'm not sure where the r-d-m is in Kubuntu
[03:37] <kiba> kubuntu sucks at organization of navigation
[03:40] <kiba> it say that I do not need a restricted driver
[03:40] <kiba> how to overide this?
[03:44] <Pici> kiba: use the !nvidia factoid above.
[03:46] <leperkhanz> Wow, tons of udpates....
[03:47] <leperkhanz> Anyone else notice major slowdowns while update manager is running?
[03:49] <Pici> leperkhanz: It is doing alot of work...
[03:50] <leperkhanz> OK, just wanted to make sure it wasn't something of a problem.
[03:58] <Pici> !kde4
[03:58] <ubotu> KDE 4 is the next major release of the K Desktop Environment. For more information see <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KDE_4>. The Release Schedule is available at <http://techbase.kde.org/Schedules/KDE4/4.0_Release_Schedule>. Alpha 2 packages can be found at <http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-alpha2.php>.
[04:18] <kalman> hi, someone knows if is planned a 2.6.23 for gutsy ?
[04:18] <stdin> no
[04:19] <Pici> I believe the kernel version is frozen.
[04:19] <kalman> so stick with 2.6.22 ?
[04:19] <Pici> Yes.
[04:19] <kalman> :(
[04:20] <kalman> now that the "desktop" friendly scheduler was merged could have been nice have it
[04:20] <Hobbsee> kalman: unsure if they were wanting to backport it or something.
[04:21] <kalman> IMHO it makes sense
[04:38] <kiba> hello
[04:40] <kiba> lllaaaaaaaaagy
[04:40] <kiba> bandwith MAXED OUT :D
[04:40] <kiba> bittorrent style
[04:49] <kalman> Apropose of 2.6.23 I found this:  http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=514624
[05:13] <ShackJack> HI all - using Gutsy Gibbon and it's great..  Only gripe I have is that my notebook will intermittently fail to connect to the local wireless networks (open) when I boot it up... Same location, same set of networks - sometimes works, sometimes, no... Rebooting will sometimes works, but is there anything on the command line I can do to give network manager a "nudge" so I don't have to reboot?
[05:14] <lemo> rmmod <driver> and after that modprobe <driver> often helps me
[05:14] <Pici> ShackJack: sudo invoke-rc.d networking restart
[05:15] <ShackJack> lemo: Thanks.. Pici: Hmm. will try that... I was trying sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart (or similar) & bus to no effect... Will try that now  and if not, lemo suggestion...
[05:17] <Hadron> I tried 'gksudo "update-manager -d" but it wont run because of a dbus issue on my machine - update-manager just immediatley exits. Can someone suggest another upgrade path?
[05:18] <Pici> Hadron: Edit your sources.list file
[05:20] <ShackJack> Hadron: Yep - find that's the best way - edit that file, replacing feisty with gutsy then do sudo aptitude update && sudo aptitude -f dist-upgrade ... Before that though, I'd make sure the following meta-packages are installed for smooth upgrade experience:  ubuntu-desktop, ubuntu-standard, ubuntu-minimal
[05:22] <ShackJack> Pici: No love on the invoke-rc.command - spat out a lot of stuff in the terminal, not sure which error message pertains to the actuall not-connecting to the shown networks... Trying lemo 's way right now (removing/adding the wirless module)
[05:31] <TuxRox> I used gparted to remove a NTFS partition and converted it to ext3. I went to edit the fstab and noticed that each device listed has a UUID. How would I generate that for the new partition or is there another way I should be modifying the fstab?
[05:32] <bSON>  is it normal if i don't have a /proc/bus/usb/devices in gutsy?
[05:32] <stdin> TuxRox: the command 'blkid' will give you the UUID
[05:32] <TuxRox> stdin, thanks, I'll give it a go.
[05:35] <TuxRox> stdin, It still sees the partition as the previous Windows partition. How would I go about changing that?
[05:36] <stdin> TuxRox: try vol_id: "sudo vol_id /dev/device.."
[05:36] <TuxRox> ok, thanks
[05:37] <stdin> or you could try reloading hal and dbus, if that doesn't work
[05:38] <TuxRox> stdin, worked, thanks! Things have changed a bit from the good old days of just modifying fstab when adding a partition it seems.
[05:38] <stdin> well UUIDs are more robust, that's why the switch was made :)
[05:39] <stdin> in theory with UUIDs you could share fstab with another OS, like BSD (in theory)
[05:39] <Hobbsee> !uuid
[05:39] <ubotu> To see a list of your devices/partitions and their corresponding UUID's, run this command in a !shell:  blkid  (see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LibAtaForAtaDisks for the rationale behind the transition to UUID)
[05:40] <stdin> Hobbsee: did you realise that blkid apparently doesn't update itself, eg when a partition is reformatted ?
[05:40] <stdin> dang, too late
[05:49] <geo88> hi all
[05:50] <geo88> does any kubuntu user experience problems with nspluginviewer sucking all CPU resources as soon as a page with flash on it is open ?
[07:02] <corey> Is it just me or is 64-bit gutsy real unstable. Everything crashes. Chess crashes, epiphany crashes
[07:03] <corey> i installed it because I couldn't get the feisty cd to work. This is my first time ever using a 64-bit version of linux though
[07:07] <corey> is everyone in here sleepin'?
[07:17] <corey> is there no restricted driver manager in gutsy?
[07:20] <kiba> corey: I think so but I think the upgrade is broken
[07:21] <corey> ah
[07:21] <corey> i can't get my nvidia drivers to work :(
[07:24] <auTONYmous> I'm having a problem with Gusty discs, ubuntu AND kubuntu. Keyboard/mouse both hang at GDM/KDM startup
[07:24] <Pici> corey: Yes, there is but it wasnt included in Tribe 3. You need to enable the restricted repos and install restricted-driver-manager manually.
[07:25] <Pici> auTONYmous: On the LiveCD or the install?
[07:25] <Pici> er, installed version
[07:25] <auTONYmous> livecd
[07:25] <Pici> Have you checked launchpad for a bug yet?
[07:26] <auTONYmous> no, I haven't seen that bug on launchpad, but I think it may be a kernel thing.
[07:26] <auTONYmous> I also tried the most recent Sabayon and got the same problem.
[07:26] <auTONYmous> all 2.6.22 kernels
[07:27] <kiba> hmm
[07:28] <auTONYmous> I'm in single mode right now...trying updates to see if it's just the livecd builds
[07:28] <stdin> auTONYmous: 2.6.22-9 doesn't do that so much anymore (for me)
[07:29] <auTONYmous> should I try a daily build?
[07:29] <auTONYmous> this is the 7/18 Tribe 3 disc.../
[07:29] <stdin> try dist-upgrade from recovery, you should get the newer kernel then
[07:30] <auTONYmous> I haven't installed yet...can't get Gnome working at all.
[07:30] <stdin> and uname -r to see that version you're on
[07:31] <stdin> auTONYmous: you could, if you really wanted to, inatall feisty and dist-upgrade to gutsy then
[07:31] <auTONYmous> yeah, I thought about that, but I really prefer to clean install the +1 releases
[07:31] <auTONYmous> tribe 3 disc is 2.6.22-8
[07:32] <auTONYmous> anybody know if the most recent nightlies have 2.6.22-9?
[07:33] <onechard> yep
[07:33] <stdin> they should
[07:33] <corey> whats in -9 that isn't in -8
[07:33] <onechard> two days ago i think
[07:33] <auTONYmous> just wondering if there's a kernel bug that's affecting ps2, or something with Xorg...
[07:34] <onechard> hmmm not sure no ps2 here all usb
[07:34] <auTONYmous> I'm booted in single mode doing dist-upgrade to see if that fixes GDM...
[07:38] <soundray> Just downloading Tribe 3 Server to try in VMware Fusion. Any hints or tips?
[07:38] <stdin> expect the unexpected
[07:39] <auTONYmous> aww, geez. gotta get a nightly. not enough tmp space left over for upgrade
[07:39] <soundray> stdin: sounds like a paradox to me
[07:40] <stdin> it's the best tip tho ;)
[07:40] <soundray> Okay, I'll expect it to Just Work then
[07:42] <auTONYmous> okay, one more try: noapic nolapic, acpi=off
[07:42] <PriceChild> Does anyone know a link to an annoucement saying that .22 will be the final kernel in feisty?
[07:42] <PriceChild> gutsy
[07:42] <auTONYmous> my whole purpose for testing RIGHT NOW is to build a 23 kernel and check responsiveness of the schedulers
[07:44] <auTONYmous> heh...the "noapic" stuff worked...just booted
[08:33] <shirish> anybody else got issues while upgrading python-sip4 ?
[08:33] <Pici> Yep.
[08:33] <shirish> Pici: cool, mine is http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/32394/
[08:34] <shirish> Pici: what's yours?
[08:35] <shirish> I guess we are stuck till we don't have these 2 upgrades, a newer python-qt3 and reportbug-ng
[08:36] <Pici> shirish: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/32395/
[08:37] <Pici> mine is more broken than yours ;)
[08:37] <gnomefreak> Pici: they are working on a workaround for your ardour issue
[08:37] <Pici> gnomefreak: I didnt have an ardour issue. But thanks
[08:37] <gnomefreak> shirish: yes python-* is causing that issue riddell is working on it still
[08:38] <gnomefreak> Pici: someone this morning couldnt install ubuntu studio due to ardour
[08:38] <Pici> Yes, I saw it mentioned in motu- or devel- I assumed it was being worked on
[08:38] <gnomefreak> sorry if it wasnt you
[08:38] <Pici> gnomefreak: Looks like it was tatters
[08:38] <vlowther> woah -- NM actually managed to connect to a network with a hidden SSID!
[08:39] <gnomefreak> wait till you get the new one
[08:39] <gnomefreak> :(
[08:39] <gnomefreak> no im kidding its all good, im testing the new one for gutsy atm
[08:42] <shirish> Pici: it isn't some kinda race, just to let you know, that's the only qt program that's allowed in my beloved GNOME or XFCE reqirement, no QT evilness thank you :P
[08:42] <Pici> shirish: You know I was only kidding right? :)
[08:43] <shirish> Pici: I know, and I hope you know the same :)
[08:43] <shirish> btw anybody got their hands on this warzone game or its still in queue somewhere?
[08:44] <kiba_> warzone?
[08:44] <kiba_> GPL
[08:44] <kiba_> ed
[08:45] <shirish> kiba_: its there in universe, I just saw it today in gutsy-changes, there is warzone & warzone-data described as RTS game
[08:45] <kiba_> shirish: I played it before
[08:45] <shirish> its an initial release I guess, don't know much about it, just heard it
[08:45] <kiba_> it is not that good for me
[08:45] <shirish> kiba_: any idea about system requirements? needs a 3-d card or something or what?
[08:46] <kiba_> seem to be 3d
[08:46] <kiba_> it will run fine
[08:46] <kiba_> because I run it on a sucky previous generation computer before
[08:47] <shirish> kiba_: its descibed as 3d RTS game, I'm on p4 1.8 ghz on 8 MB VRAM, 600 something DDR RAM 200 mhz.
[08:47] <kiba_> sucky previous generation computer = mean if you have a current computer, it will run fine
[08:48] <kiba_> shirish: will run fine
[08:48] <kiba_> 1.2 GB so far for download...
[08:48] <shirish> kiba_: ok thanx for the boost , will see how it works
[08:48] <shirish> kiba_: you upgrading from feisty to gutsy or what?
[08:48] <kiba_> I alreadyd have
[08:49] <shirish> what's the 1.2 GiB to download thing then
[08:49] <kiba_> it consume lot of bandwidth..linux users are the kind that demand lot of bandwidth don't they?
[08:49] <kiba_> shirish: so far in one continous session for my computer
[08:49] <shirish> kiba_: ah ok, I know what you mean, now
[08:49] <kiba_> I download that much
[08:50] <shirish> how were you able to establish how much you are downloading per session?
[08:50] <shirish> some app. your ISP tells you?
[08:51] <kiba_> system monitor
[08:51] <shirish> ah ok, I never used it much
[08:51] <kiba_> system > adminstration > system monitor
[08:51] <kiba_> would be nice to see how much I used in a month, year...
[08:51] <shirish> I know where it is, just never used it
[08:52] <kiba_> I am trying to max out the resource of my computer
[08:52] <shirish> true, does it do stuff in the background, kinda gathering the stats so one could look when one feels like?
[08:52] <kiba_> yeah..it gather stats in real time
[08:52] <shirish> ok cool
[08:53] <kiba_> I think linux users required a lot of bandwidth to support
[08:53] <kiba_> because they can upgrade the software pretty easily
[08:53] <kiba_> window users have a tough time because they don't have an integrated package management system that make that sort of feast easy
[08:54] <shirish> kiba_: true
[08:54] <shirish> you meant feat I guess
[08:54] <kiba_> yeah
[08:54] <kiba_> I guess Free softwares are going to have the tendancy to consume lot more resources
[08:55] <shirish> true
[08:55] <kiba_> you're talking about softwares that can distributed freely
[08:55] <kiba_> s/can/can be
[08:55] <shirish> esp. with dual-cores & then four-cores coming up for sure
[08:55] <kiba_> legally
[08:55] <kiba_> I have dual cores
[08:55] <shirish> true to all
[08:55] <kiba_> every computer will have them
[08:55] <shirish> I hope so
[08:56] <kiba_> I purchased a low end computer and it have dual core
[08:56] <shirish> kiba_: I do have bad news thougb, the creator of CUPS (Easy Software) bought by apple people :(
[08:56] <kiba_> if it is free, somebody can fork it
[08:56] <shirish> it's been bad taste in the mouth since I heard that news
[08:56] <kiba_> s/free/Free
[08:57] <shirish> its under GPL as well as LGPL
[08:57] <kiba_> softwares that would cost million of dollars to developed through proprietary means.....are available on the net for free
[08:57] <shirish> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CUPS
[08:58] <shirish> kiba_: also, I don't think it will be in the future, as there is a blueprint called apt-torrent so that should give us some more load-balancing
[08:59] <kiba_> shirish: even if there are systemic bittorrent, we will still consume lot of bandwidth
[08:59] <shirish> and of course there are gonna be people who are gonna make servers to download updates & distribute among them, I know of couple of compnaies which do that
[08:59] <kiba_> just the load won't be on the servers so much
[08:59] <kiba_> Linux users are probably not the kind of customers ISPs would like to have :P
[08:59] <shirish> true, its going to be more bandwidth even if linux was not there, since people have discovered bittorrent & video blogging & all kinds of video conferencing
[09:00] <shirish> I wonder why, because we consume lot of bandwidth , but if weren't then people would still be in dial-up mode
[09:00] <shirish> its due to us that they survive & are upbeat about
[09:02] <shirish> atleast their business model, have bandwidth- will-sell - customers come for greater speeds etc. holds good
[09:02] <RyanT5000> how can i tell apt-get to use wine out of gutsy while keeping everything else from feisty?
[09:02] <kiba_> shirish: dailup is a competivie area
[09:02] <gnomefreak> RyanT5000: you dont want to do that
[09:02] <kiba_> compared to their broadband counterpart
[09:02] <kiba_> that's why it is cheap to use dailup
[09:02] <RyanT5000> gnomefreak: well there has to be some way to install wine higher than 9.33
[09:03] <kiba_> oh boy, I am lagging pretty badly
[09:03] <gnomefreak> RyanT5000: build it from source if you want newer packages or upgrade to gutsy(not recommended)
[09:04] <RyanT5000> gnomefreak: alright, i'm ok with that; i take it i should get the source from winehq directly rather than from apt-get?
[09:04] <gnomefreak> RyanT5000: right
[09:07] <shirish> gnomefreak: have you tried the test build out of FF-GPa7 ?
[09:07] <gnomefreak> shirish: not yet i have somehting i need to get done first
[09:08] <shirish> gnomefreak: ok cool, although I have subscribed to the mailing list just to know what's happening there.
[09:09] <gnomefreak> i will try it later
[09:11] <shirish> ok cool
[09:12] <gnomefreak> shirish: what date was a7 released?
[09:17] <shirish> gnomefreak: today
[09:17] <shirish> http://quality.mozilla.org/events/test-days
[09:17] <gnomefreak> shirish: ok it may be minday that i get to it than, i want a few nightlys to pass to make sure
[09:17] <shirish> its actually a7rc1 which is out today
[09:17] <gnomefreak> rc1 is next release
[09:17] <shirish> rc1 for a7
[09:18] <shirish> gnomefreak: http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/nightly/1.9a7-candidates/rc1/
[09:18] <shirish> gnomefreak: I guess you got what I meant, and i guess you will wait till the final is out
[09:21] <gnomefreak> i need a 3 day(give or take) time between when released alpha/beta/rc/whatever until i build it
[09:22] <shirish> gnomefreak: understood, will inform you when a7 final is out :)
[09:23] <gnomefreak> shirish: ill get email on it
[09:23] <shirish> ok cool :)
[10:23] <irwiss> Anywhere I could read how the versioning in ubuntu is going? I installed gutsy 3 thinking there's xorg 7.3 in it, yet it's still 7.2, or at least the new nvidia driver. Is there some experimental repository I have to include?
[10:29] <soundray> irwiss: the Tribe numbers have nothing to do with any packages inside.
[10:31] <soundray> irwiss: I don't think there is a Xorg 7.3 repo for ubuntu.
[10:32] <irwiss> I guess it's in TODOs still?
[10:37] <soundray> irwiss: I don't think it will be included in gutsy
[10:40] <finalbeta> soundray: irwiss https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/gutsy
[10:41] <finalbeta> There is always a page like that for every release
[10:43] <irwiss> finalbeta; Thanks
[10:52] <soundray> finalbeta: that's useful, thanks
[11:29] <kiba> hello
[12:20] <auTONYmous> X is fubared for me on Gutsy...
[12:20] <auTONYmous> something crashing with PS2 recognition...not sure what changed, but it's got to do with PS2
[12:21] <auTONYmous> worked fine in previous versions of X (up to 7.1).
[12:22] <auTONYmous> single mode (console) is ok. When X loads, full system lockup.
[12:22] <auTONYmous> (or at least user interaction from keyboard/mouse on PS2)
[12:23] <auTONYmous> could be ACPI, but I doubt it.
[12:26] <auTONYmous> This happens with the 2.6.22-8 and -9 kernels..I don't believe its a kernel issue. Only time it works is with "acip=off"
[12:26] <auTONYmous> oops..."acpi=off"