[12:46] <ubotu> New bug: #130050 in openoffice.org (main) "Bibliography Database crashes OpenOffice" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/130050
[01:05] <ubotu> New bug: #130052 in dreamchess (main) "Add a hotkey to toggle fullscreen" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/130052
[01:35] <ubotu> New bug: #130054 in evolution (main) "Trouble emptying Trash" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/130054
[01:36] <ubotu> New bug: #130055 in audio-convert (universe) "Nautilus audio convert script doesn't activate itself" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/130055
[01:36] <ubotu> New bug: #130056 in mysql-admin (universe) "mysql-admin package broken, unmet mysql-admin-common dependency" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/130056
[01:40] <ubotu> New bug: #130058 in Ubuntu "feisty x86_64 does not include 32 bit GSL libraries" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/130058
[01:46] <ubotu> New bug: #130059 in plr (universe) "R_HOME environmental variable not set" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/130059
[01:50] <ubotu> New bug: #130060 in evolution (main) "Evolution can't synchronize folder "Inbox" causing duplicates" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/130060
[01:55] <ubotu> New bug: #130061 in Ubuntu "prism54usb: probe of 1-1:1.0 failed with error -110 (usr805422)" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/130061
[02:00] <ubotu> New bug: #130062 in gnome-games (main) "'Klotski' not installed but has a gnome menu entry" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/130062
[02:17] <ubotu> New bug: #130064 in Ubuntu "mozilla-mplayer plugin bug" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/130064
[02:55] <ubotu> New bug: #130065 in pidgin-libnotify (universe) "pidgin-libnotify causes notification-daemon to crash with SIGSEGV" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/130065
[02:55] <ubotu> New bug: #130066 in gdm (main) "gdm stuck in loop if killed with ctrl-alt-delete (gutsy)" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/130066
[03:05] <ubotu> New bug: #130067 in kdemultimedia (main) "Kubuntu: Mute feature doesn't work" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/130067
[03:16] <ubotu> New bug: #126153 in gnash (universe) "gnash crashed with SIGSEGV" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126153
[03:26] <ubotu> New bug: #130071 in pitivi (universe) "pitivi crashed with SIGSEGV in PyThreadState_New()" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/130071
[03:35] <ubotu> New bug: #130072 in checkgmail (universe) "checkgmail Open message feature doesn't works." [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/130072
[03:47] <bddebian> Boo
[03:50] <ubotu> New bug: #130074 in tilda (universe) "Adding new tabs to tilda causes it to increase in size" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/130074
[03:50] <ubotu> New bug: #130075 in linux-source-2.6.20 (main) "Random pauses when transferring data at gigabit speeds with forcedeth driver" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/130075
[04:16] <ubotu> New bug: #130078 in Ubuntu "Gutsy Gibbon 2.6.22-9-generic Kernel Panic when inserting belkins F5D7050 USB wifi card/rt73 driver" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/130078
[04:16] <ubotu> New bug: #130079 in Ubuntu "internal error opening cache" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/130079
[04:35] <ubotu> New bug: #130080 in ubiquity (main) "installer crashed" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/130080
[05:01] <ubotu> New bug: #130081 in firefox (main) "firefox crash when going to this CNN link" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/130081
[06:20] <ubotu> New bug: #130084 in f-spot (main) "f-spot buttons hardly work in fullscreen mode" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/130084
[06:31] <ubotu> New bug: #130085 in f-spot (main) "f-spot zoom in fullscreen mode does'nt work correctly with compiz turned on" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/130085
[06:36] <ubotu> New bug: #130086 in adept (main) "Graphical installers don't include application previews" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/130086
[06:46] <ubotu> New bug: #130087 in gedit (main) "pt_BR translation broke Python syntax highlighting" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/130087
[07:05] <ubotu> New bug: #130069 in Ubuntu "need to reinstall wniff and then no archive found" [Undecided,Incomplete]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/130069
[07:10] <ubotu> New bug: #130088 in python-numpy (universe) "python-numpy does not install" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/130088
[07:55] <ubotu> New bug: #130091 in gnash (universe) "CVE-2007-2500: memory corruption vulnerability in gnash" [High,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/130091
[08:05] <ubotu> New bug: #130094 in Ubuntu "Tribes3 dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg does not add EndSubSection after color depth" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/130094
[08:40] <ubotu> New bug: #130095 in knemo (universe) "[Gutsy]  Please sync KNemo 0.4.8-1 from Debian (Main)" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/130095
[08:45] <ubotu> New bug: #130096 in serpentine (main) "serpentine crashed with SIGSEGV (gutsy)" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/130096
[09:05] <ubotu> New bug: #130097 in cplay (universe) "Cannot display Chinese char in playlist window" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/130097
[09:11] <ubotu> New bug: #130098 in Ubuntu "nautilus crashes when viewing properties of a ntfs drive in gutsy" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/130098
[09:35] <ubotu> New bug: #130099 in libapache2-mod-auth-pam (main) "libapache2-mod-auth-pam: doesnt work with Apache > 2.1" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/130099
[09:35] <ubotu> New bug: #130100 in update-manager (main) "Kon de pakketinformatie niet initialiseren" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/130100
[09:45] <ubotu> New bug: #130102 in clearlooks (universe) "Buggy update" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/130102
[09:56] <ubotu> New bug: #130103 in wmaker (universe) "WMaker will crash and restart, when running MSVSS(by wine)" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/130103
[09:56] <ubotu> New bug: #130105 in evince (main) "half of the page is displayed" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/130105
[10:15] <ubotu> New bug: #130089 in notification-daemon (main) "notification-daemon crashed with SIGSEGV" [Undecided,Invalid]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/130089
[10:25] <ubotu> New bug: #129995 in roundup (universe) "roundup needs to be taught to create /var/run/roundup" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/129995
[10:51] <ubotu> New bug: #130110 in compiz (main) "compiz causes crash with fullscreen sdl applications (gutsy)" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/130110
[10:55] <ubotu> New bug: #130111 in slrn (universe) "slrn does not support utf8" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/130111
[11:15] <ubotu> New bug: #130113 in hal (main) "hal 0.5.9.1-1ubuntu2 fail to initialize on R51e-2XC" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/130113
[11:20] <ubotu> New bug: #130114 in apparmor (main) "#include files should be in apparmor itself" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/130114
[11:20] <ubotu> New bug: #130115 in gnome-panel (main) "terminal open but cannot see anything just white and can't do anything" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/130115
[11:41] <ubotu> New bug: #130120 in Ubuntu "[needs-packaging]  LiVES" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/130120
[11:51] <ubotu> New bug: #130122 in luatex-snapshot (universe) "Package is missing and available in Debian Unstable" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/130122
[11:51] <ubotu> New bug: #130123 in totem (main) "[problem]  There's no sound at all HP dv2325" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/130123
[11:51] <ubotu> New bug: #130124 in Ubuntu "Gusty tribe 3 Installer didn't show existing partitions on harddrive" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/130124
[12:05] <ubotu> New bug: #130127 in Ubuntu "Lexmark X3350 (3 in 1) cannot be installed, how is it possible?" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/130127
[12:05] <ubotu> New bug: #130129 in luatex-snapshot (universe) "Please sync luatex-snapshot (universe) from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/130129
[12:36] <ubotu> New bug: #130131 in debian-installer (main) "[gutsy]  colored blocks during installation" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/130131
[12:39] <Kmos> coNP: are you there?
[12:45] <ubotu> New bug: #130132 in nautilus (main) "dot-thumbnails gets huuuuuge" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/130132
[12:55] <ubotu> New bug: #130134 in mozilla-firefox (main) "[gutsy gibbon] firefox disabled most of the themes that are installed" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/130134
[01:01] <ubotu> New bug: #130135 in dir2ogg (universe) "depend on mpg123 | mpg321" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/130135
[01:10] <ubotu> New bug: #130136 in mpg123 (multiverse) "mpg123: Please enable all optimizations" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/130136
[01:10] <ubotu> New bug: #130137 in gambas (universe) "gambas doesn't open" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/130137
[01:40] <ubotu> New bug: #130139 in Ubuntu "intel i915=terrible perfomance..." [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/130139
[01:42] <coNP> hey Kmos.
[01:43] <coNP> Thanks for your mail. I think you are right, for syncs / removals debian tracker links are not needed.
[01:43] <coNP> However, if they are provided that won't harm anyone. So they can be left assigned. Especially, you might be interested how Debian solved the same issue.
[01:46] <Kmos> coNP: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Removal
[01:46] <Kmos> !removal
[01:46] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about removal - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:46] <Kmos> :(
[01:47] <coNP> Kmos: that says that for packages that are going to be removed from Debian you shouldn't even file a removal bug
[01:47] <coNP> This is not to cause extra work to archive admins.
[01:47] <coNP> If there is one removal request filed in LP, however, you can certainly assign the Debian bug. That makes no harm.
[01:48] <coNP> But anyway, this issue is not worth talking about it any more :)
[01:48] <Kmos> :-)
[01:49] <Kmos> personally i like more that sync request doesn't have bug watch
[01:51] <coNP> Why?
[01:51] <coNP> BTW sync requests shouldn't since Debian cannot sync
[01:51] <coNP> :)
[01:51] <coNP> And in the case of removals it can prove useful for admins, who can see that no action is needed, since Debian takes care of it.
[01:55] <ubotu> New bug: #130140 in restricted-manager (restricted) "restricted manager worg xorg.conf for ATI fglrx" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/130140
[01:56] <ubotu> New bug: #130141 in Ubuntu "translation repos doesn't work" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/130141
[01:58] <Kmos> coNP: because it will be checked on debian.. don't need to give you extra work
[01:58] <coNP> Kmos: what gives extra work?
[01:58] <coNP> There is *already* a bug report on Debian.
[01:58] <Kmos> coNP: debian remove packages without checking if other packages will work after that
[01:59] <coNP> If you attach this, you can save work for Ubuntu developers.
[01:59] <Kmos> they're insane
[01:59] <Kmos> ubuntu motu =)
[01:59] <coNP> Because they know they should not investigate.
[01:59] <Kmos> they check the syncs
[01:59] <Kmos> they'll check all dependencies and test build package first
[01:59] <coNP> Yes. I would therefore attach the debian report to let them know, that they don't need to do this work.
[02:00] <Kmos> debian is just a way to know it was removed there
[02:00] <Kmos> you just need to mention that on comment
[02:00] <coNP> Yes. And then it will automatically be removed from Ubuntu.
[02:00] <Kmos> no.. it won't
[02:00] <Kmos> cjwatson doesn't care if it's removed from debian, it's only another information
[02:00] <coNP> Look at the wiki page you cited.
[02:01] <coNP> Okay. No matter. It is pointless to argue.
[02:01] <Kmos> they must check if all builds on ubuntu and dist-upgrade will work
[02:01] <coNP> Okay.
[02:01] <Kmos> but talk with Hobbsee about that
[02:01] <Kmos> she can explain you better than I
[02:02] <coNP> Heya Hobbsse.
[02:02] <Hobbsee> hiya
[02:02] <coNP> sorry -s+e
[02:03] <cjwatson> Kmos: actually coNP is at least partially correct - before the auto-sync period ends, we semi-automatically remove packages from Ubuntu when they've been removed from Debian
[02:03] <Hobbsee> greetings, cjwatson!
[02:03] <cjwatson> it doesn't happen after the auto-sync period ends because if you do auto-removal but not auto-sync you can end up skewed in harmful ways
[02:03] <cjwatson> hello
[02:03] <coNP> I guess it is a pointless debate. I said assigning Debian remove does no harm to Ubuntu developers, it could even help to decide if (1) no action is needed from your part, because Debian takes care of it, or (2) you can remove the package and from the comments you might learn some issues. But anyhow, it might help, but surely does no harm.
[02:04] <cjwatson> -rwxr-xr-x 1 lp_archive lp_archive 9180 Jun 22 11:22 /home/lp_archive/bin/process-removals
[02:04] <Kmos> cjwatson: nice command :p
[02:04] <coNP> So it has no point unassigning remote bug tracks about Debian removals. This does not extra work, but *might* save some.
[02:04] <cjwatson> I only replied because my name was invoked, although I don't know exactly why you mentioned me in particular
[02:05] <cjwatson> coNP: packages that have been removed from Debian are a sort of special case of syncs, in a way
[02:05] <coNP> Yes.
[02:05] <cjwatson> so they should be filed in Ubuntu in the same kinds of cases where it's worth filing syncs
[02:05] <cjwatson> i.e. when it's important to get the package removed straight away, rather than waiting for the next release and having it auto-removed
[02:06] <coNP> Okay. I think I understand the whole removal process. I just cannot understand why it is *wrong* to assign the Debian removal bug. :)
[02:06] <cjwatson> Kmos: you are incorrect, by the way; Debian does not typically remove packages without any checks
[02:06] <Hobbsee> Kmos: yes, we do check everything for syncs, etc, first, so that we dont BREAK THE ARCHIVE.
[02:06] <Hobbsee> this is *sensible*.  if you dont have time for that, you dont have time to do packaging stuff.
[02:07] <Hobbsee> they're quite sane, really.
[02:07] <cjwatson> the removal tool used by Debian ftpmasters has an option to do the checks and everything
[02:07] <Kmos> cjwatson: I think you told me some days ago, they most of times remove packages without check for dependencies
[02:07] <cjwatson> Kmos: I do not remember doing so; please provide a citation
[02:08] <Kmos> i really don't remember if he's you.. forgot it
[02:08] <cjwatson> in any case, the Debian testing migration process provides a check against this doing any harm to Debian releases
[02:08] <cjwatson> we intentionally bypass that and apply our own QA
[02:08] <cjwatson> but that's not Debian's fault
[02:09] <cjwatson> Kmos: I'd appreciate it if you wouldn't quote me in future without being quite sure that I really did say what you're saying I said
[02:09] <cjwatson> this is not true:
[02:09] <cjwatson> 13:00 <Kmos> cjwatson doesn't care if it's removed from debian, it's only another information
[02:10] <Kmos> cjwatson: sorry for that
[02:11] <ubotu> New bug: #130142 in update-manager (main) "update-manager" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/130142
[02:11] <cjwatson> Kmos: thank you
[02:16] <ubotu> New bug: #130145 in sdl-ttf2.0 (main) "sync request" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/130145
[02:20] <ubotu> New bug: #130146 in evolution (main) "Freezes when creating a new email with a dynamically created shell-script signature" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/130146
[02:20] <ubotu> New bug: #130147 in libxml-parser-perl (main) "sync request" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/130147
[02:20] <ubotu> New bug: #130149 in genext2fs (main) "sync request" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/130149
[02:20] <ubotu> New bug: #130150 in expat (main) "sync request" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/130150
[02:25] <ubotu> New bug: #130151 in bison (main) "sync request" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/130151
[02:30] <ubotu> New bug: #130152 in Ubuntu "Mp3 profile is active in gnome-audio-profiles-properties but not choosable in sound-juicer, Rhythmbox and sound-recorder drop down list" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/130152
[02:30] <ubotu> New bug: #130153 in qcad (universe) "qcad misbehaves under some locales" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/130153
[02:35] <ubotu> New bug: #130154 in kdebase (main) "kprinter mishandles font encoding when doing page selection" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/130154
[02:40] <ubotu> New bug: #130155 in ardour (universe) "Please sync ardour (universe) from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/130155
[02:40] <ubotu> New bug: #130156 in bzr-svn (universe) "bzr crashed with SIGSEGV in svn_auth_set_parameter()" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/130156
[02:45] <ubotu> New bug: #130157 in gnash (universe) "gnash 0.1 does not make correct symlinks for firefox epiphany" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/130157
[02:56] <ubotu> New bug: #130159 in python-qt3 (main) "python-qt3 depends on python-sip4 <=4.7 but 4.7-1 installed" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/130159
[03:00] <ubotu> New bug: #130160 in gambas (universe) "Please sync gambas (universe) from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/130160
[03:10] <ubotu> New bug: #130101 in openoffice.org (main) "Openoffice 2.2 runs as root! (dup-of: 110724)" [Undecided,Incomplete]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/130101
[03:15] <ubotu> New bug: #130162 in restricted-manager (restricted) "package restricted-manager 0.24 failed to install/upgrade: " [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/130162
[03:15] <ubotu> New bug: #130164 in gnome-app-install (main) "package gnome-app-install 0.4.5-0ubuntu1 failed to install/upgrade: " [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/130164
[03:15] <ubotu> New bug: #130165 in synaptic (main) "package synaptic 0.60ubuntu2 failed to install/upgrade: " [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/130165
[03:21] <ubotu> New bug: #130166 in ubuntu-meta (main) "package ubuntu-desktop 1.58 failed to install/upgrade: " [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/130166
[03:21] <ubotu> New bug: #130167 in update-notifier (main) "package update-notifier 0.59 failed to install/upgrade: " [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/130167
[03:21] <ubotu> New bug: #130168 in eog (main) "package eog 2.19.4-0ubuntu1 failed to install/upgrade: " [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/130168
[03:21] <ubotu> New bug: #130169 in software-properties (main) "package software-properties-gtk 0.60 failed to install/upgrade: " [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/130169
[03:24] <seb128> mvo: ^ this apt, apport integration is annoying, can we stop it?
[03:25] <seb128> mvo: when there is something like the icon cache update not working the users send 10 bugs without any detail
[03:26] <ubotu> New bug: #130176 in nautilus (main) "when start search file on Nautilus 2.18.1" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/130176
[03:27] <ubotu> New bug: #130170 in meta-gnome2 (universe) "package gnome-desktop-environment 1:2.18.3ubuntu1 failed to install/upgrade: " [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/130170
[03:27] <ubotu> New bug: #130171 in meta-gnome2 (universe) "package gnome-core 1:2.18.3ubuntu1 failed to install/upgrade: " [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/130171
[03:27] <ubotu> New bug: #130172 in update-manager (main) "package update-manager 1:0.67 failed to install/upgrade: " [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/130172
[03:27] <ubotu> New bug: #130175 in seahorse (universe) "package seahorse 2.19.5-0ubuntu2 failed to install/upgrade: " [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/130175
[03:27] <seb128> grrrrrr
[03:31] <ubotu> New bug: #130178 in Ubuntu "[gutsy]  no sound recording" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/130178
[03:36] <ubotu> New bug: #130180 in Ubuntu "Package Manager Error" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/130180
[03:40] <ubotu> New bug: #130181 in php-mcrypt (universe) "mcrypt hanging during encryption process " [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/130181
[03:50] <bderrly> hey, i'm looking at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/jokosher/+bug/68915 and thinking it should be closed but i can't figure out how to verify 100% that the change has propagated to ubuntu
[03:50] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 68915 in jokosher "Crash when fast forwarding in song" [Undecided,Fix released] 
[04:26] <ubotu> New bug: #130184 in kdebase (main) "Login manager (kdm) should not display disabled users" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/130184
[05:05] <ubotu> New bug: #130188 in ghc6 (universe) "ghc6-doc package seems to break on upgrade to Gutsy" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/130188
[05:11] <ubotu> New bug: #130189 in coreutils (main) "package coreutils 5.97-5.3ubuntu2 failed to install/upgrade: subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1" [Undecided,Invalid]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/130189
[05:31] <ubotu> New bug: #130191 in notify-python (main) "python-notify lets python method return on a attach_to_status_icon() call" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/130191
[05:31] <ubotu> New bug: #130192 in quanta (universe) "Quanta+ : undo and redo are buggy after entered a Japanese text" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/130192
[05:31] <ubotu> New bug: #130193 in compiz (main) "can't access xserver after switch to tty" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/130193
[05:35] <ubotu> New bug: #130195 in polipo (universe) "Merge polipo 1.0.1 (universe) from Debian (unstable)" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/130195
[05:40] <ubotu> New bug: #130194 in mythtv (multiverse) "Some tuner cards will not resume after suspend/hibernate" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/130194
[05:50] <ubotu> New bug: #130200 in nautilus (main) "Nautilus using incorrect file size units" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/130200
[06:00] <LadyNikon> <3 coke zero
[06:00] <LadyNikon> whoops
[06:00] <LadyNikon> wrong channel
[06:00] <ubotu> New bug: #130202 in gnome-games (main) "Gnotski and image not found" [Medium,Triaged]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/130202
[06:06] <ubotu> New bug: #130203 in Ubuntu "MoM creates package against wrong tarball when tarballs are different" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/130203
[06:16] <ubotu> New bug: #130206 in xorg (main) "default xorg.conf does not have necessary EndSubSections" [Critical,Triaged]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/130206
[06:35] <ubotu> New bug: #130208 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.22 (restricted) "package nvidia-glx None failed to install/upgrade: subprocess post-removal script returned error exit status 2" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/130208
[06:46] <ubotu> New bug: #130210 in Ubuntu "Update Manager dies importing Automatix Repos" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/130210
[06:52] <gnomefreak> thats a good thing
[06:52] <gnomefreak> not a bug IMHO
[06:56] <ubotu> New bug: #130211 in menu (universe) "update-menus hangs <defunct>" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/130211
[07:06] <ubotu> New bug: #130212 in dbus (main) "All d-bus users crash" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/130212
[07:10] <ubotu> New bug: #130213 in rhythmbox (main) "rhtmbox doesn't play the next song after first song finished" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/130213
[07:25] <ubotu> New bug: #130214 in postfix (main) "Please sync postfix 2.4.5-1 from Debian Unstable (Main)" [Wishlist,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/130214
[07:35] <ubotu> New bug: #130215 in easytag (universe) "Easytag doesn't recognize some audio files" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/130215
[07:46] <ubotu> New bug: #130218 in gxine (main) "[GUTSY] gxine cannot find libmozjs.so" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/130218
[07:50] <ubotu> New bug: #130219 in Ubuntu "[needs-packaging]  Pinky-Tagger" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/130219
[07:55] <ubotu> New bug: #130221 in Ubuntu "2.6.22-9 kernel acpi segfault" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/130221
[08:01] <ubotu> New bug: #130207 in Ubuntu "USB Keyboard stopped working" [Undecided,Incomplete]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/130207
[08:15] <ubotu> New bug: #130224 in gtk+2.0 (main) "gtkfilechooser save/save as dialog misplaces focus" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/130224
[08:15] <ubotu> New bug: #130225 in bzr-builddeb (universe) "Whichlist: Include bzr log -s as Changelog" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/130225
[08:30] <calc> bug 35087
[08:30] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 35087 in openoffice.org "OOo crashes on Dapper with signal 8 when opening own templates" [Medium,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/35087
[08:31] <ubotu> New bug: #130227 in debian-installer (main) "partman fails to install xubuntu 7.10 alternate 386 tribe 3 on sata disk with vt6421A controller" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/130227
[08:31] <ubotu> New bug: #130228 in gnome-panel (main) "Software index is broken" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/130228
[08:36] <ubotu> New bug: #130229 in python-numpy (universe) "python-numpy and python-numpy-dev 1:1.0.3-1ubuntu1 conflict" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/130229
[08:45] <ubotu> New bug: #130230 in syck "syck 0.55+svn256 fails to build on ia64" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/130230
[09:05] <ubotu> New bug: #130237 in purple-plugin-pack (universe) "Please sync purple-plugin-pack (universe) from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/130237
[09:13] <ScottK> Pici: Ping
[09:14] <ScottK> It's probably not the best use of your time to dupe a bug that's already been marked fix released and give a generic response to look at the other bug. Bug #130229
[09:14] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 130229 in python-numpy "python-numpy and python-numpy-dev 1:1.0.3-1ubuntu1 conflict (dup-of: 130048)" [Medium,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/130229
[09:14] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 130048 in python-numpy "[Gutsy]  Unable to install/upgrade python-numpy" [Medium,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/130048
[09:15] <ubotu> New bug: #130238 in openldap2 (main) "OpenLDAP chroot by default" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/130238
[09:24] <Pici> ScottK: I realize that. I had the window open and hadn't touched it for a bit, when I replied I realized that it was marked as 'fixed released'
[09:25] <ScottK> Even if I hadn't marked it Fix Released, your repsonse made it sound like you hadn't even read the bug you were duping it to.
[09:25] <ScottK> Saying "Look for a work around ..." in a bug that says a fix has been released, just upgrade isn't really right.
[09:26] <Pici> Yeah, that wasnt so swift of me... I'll be more careful next time.
[09:26] <ScottK> No problem.  That's how we all learn.
[09:27] <Pici> Yep :)
[09:27] <ScottK> It's also always a good idea to refresh your browser window if you've been away from a bug for a bit.
[09:28] <Pici> I think after this I wont forget.
[09:31] <ubotu> New bug: #130239 in devil (universe) "[needs-packaging] DevIL" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/130239
[09:35] <ubotu> New bug: #126385 in redfish "Suspend/Hibernate with nv driver and NVIDIA 8400M GS doesn't work (dup-of: 121801)" [High,Triaged]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126385
[09:41] <ubotu> New bug: #130240 in firefox (main) "Firefox Save Image dialog Compiz problem" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/130240
[09:45] <ubotu> New bug: #130241 in Ubuntu "x server problems" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/130241
[09:46] <rbs-tito> I know bug 127281 isn't really a bug, but I might as well help the guy out. Does anyone know what can be done?
[09:46] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 127281 in Ubuntu "'update-manager'" [Undecided,Incomplete]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/127281
[09:47] <ScottK> looks even
[09:49] <ScottK> rbs-tito: I'd say he needs to remove virtualbox (I'm guessing apt-get -f install would do it) and then talk to them about how to install their package.
[09:49] <rbs-tito> apt-get -f ?
[09:49] <rbs-tito> ok
[09:50] <ScottK> apt-get -f install
[09:50] <ScottK> sudo also
[09:50] <mvo> rbs-tito: tell him to run "dpkg --remove --force-remove-reinstreq virtualbox
[09:50] <ScottK> That's even better.
[09:50] <rbs-tito> ok
[09:50] <ScottK> THanks mvo.
[09:51] <mvo> cheers
[10:11] <ubotu> New bug: #130244 in openswan (universe) "openswan prevents ethernet module from loading" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/130244
[10:16] <ubotu> New bug: #130247 in Ubuntu "Random system freeze (keyboard led blink)" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/130247
[10:21] <ubotu> New bug: #130248 in Ubuntu "Savage (IBM T23): Gnome/Xorg crashes in fullscreen mode" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/130248
[10:25] <ubotu> New bug: #130249 in gnome-python-extras (main) "sigsegv from gtkmozembed python bindings" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/130249
[10:35] <ubotu> New bug: #130250 in kdebase (main) "Kubuntu Gutsy regression: maximized window underruns panel" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/130250
[10:41] <ScottK> mvo: Any chance you'd have a moment to discuss your won't fixing Bug #129575?  I've added a further comment to it.
[10:41] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 129575 in apt "Version control system warnings annoying and misleading" [Undecided,Won't fix]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/129575
[10:41] <mvo> ScottK: sure
[10:41] <ScottK> Thanks.
[10:42] <mvo> ScottK: here or in the bugreport?
[10:42] <ScottK> How about here?
[10:42] <mvo> ok
[10:43] <ScottK> mvo: I can see wanting to tell someone something like "The Debian packaging is maintained here ...", but asking for a confirmation is just huge overkill in my book.
[10:44] <ScottK> I already asked to download the source package and you're telling how to get a subset of that.  It's two different questions.
[10:45] <mvo> ok, let me describe what problem I try to solve with it
[10:46] <ScottK> OK
[10:46] <mvo> the idea is that people stop uploading stuff that is maintained in a version control system. this brings pain to people because the VCS is out of sync with the archive
[10:46] <mvo> that means manual fiddling, bugs and anoyance
[10:47] <mvo> the right thing to do in such a case is branch from the repo, do the changes there and then upload and tell the original maintainer where to merge from
[10:47] <ScottK> So does that mean I should stop trying to fix bugs in packages maintained in bzr because I haven't the first clue how to use it?
[10:48] <mvo> no, that is not what I want to say
[10:48] <mvo> of course not :)
[10:48] <ScottK> That's how it sounded.
[10:48] <ScottK> I already use cvs and svn on a number of projects.
[10:48] <mvo> its meant as a reminder that for a vcs maintained package a debdiff is a good idea
[10:48] <mvo> or a branch
[10:49] <mvo> to make it easier for the people to keep archive<->vcs in sync
[10:49] <ScottK> Agreed about a reminder, but don't stop the download and make me ack it before giving me what I asked for.
[10:49] <mvo> I know and understand that this makes some things more difficult
[10:50] <ScottK> If the warning were clarified and it didn't require a confirmation, I think it would be a great idea.
[10:50] <mvo> I guess the wording is too strong, but I would to keep a thing that reminds people. in the long run I expect a lot more package maintained in bzr
[10:50] <mvo> (too strong and not really clear)
[10:50] <ubotu> New bug: #130251 in Ubuntu "Power on delay, without an internet conexion" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/130251
[10:51] <ScottK> To me it smacks of I know better than you when it asks Are you sure...
[10:51] <mvo> ScottK: "apt-get source -y apt" is not good enough?
[10:51] <mvo> ScottK: right, sorry for that bad wording
[10:51] <mvo> usually I try to weasel out of this by explaining that I'm not a native speaker ;)
[10:51] <ScottK> So what other questions am I saying Yes to when I do that?
[10:52] <mvo> for apt-get source? no others, it does not really ask questions
[10:52] <ScottK> It didn't ask any at all until recently.
[10:52] <mvo> I can double check that to absolutely sure
[10:52] <ScottK> Can you promise it won't change?
[10:52] <ScottK> To me -y is just a poor practice.
[10:53] <mvo> that is a good point
[10:53] <ScottK> If a question is being asked, it ought to be important and I ought to think about my answer.
[10:53] <mvo> as a alterntive we could only prompt about branches maintained in launchpad ?
[10:53] <ScottK> I agree with printing the message, but not with requiring the response.
[10:53] <mvo> I think the question is important, just printing a message will lead to people ignoring that message
[10:53] <ScottK> That's somewhat better.
[10:54] <ScottK> Having an annoying question will lead to people using -y and ignoring that message ;-)
[10:54] <mvo> I think that is a good compromise, there are few maintained currently in LP and for those it really makes sense to ask
[10:54] <mvo> true :)
[10:55] <ScottK> I think it's progress, but I still think it's a pretty orthogonal point to getting a debian source package.
[10:55] <mvo> ok, lets do that for now and see how it works out. and when that gets anoying we just make apt-get source to checkout the bzr branch automatically if it can do that
[10:55] <ScottK> NO.  Please dont' do that.
[10:56] <ScottK> If I'm downloading postfix from Gutsy, I should get the source for 2.4.5-1, not whatever lamont has in his git tree for 2.4.5-2.
[10:56] <ubotu> New bug: #130253 in Ubuntu "Kubuntu Gutsy: Volume OSD is too small" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/130253
[10:56] <mvo> hm, maybe I do not understand the issue then. what would be wrong with htis?
[10:56] <ScottK> You are giving the user something different than they asked for.
[10:56] <ScottK> What if I'm trying to understand a bug I'm seeing and I download the source.
[10:57] <mvo> that is really a difficult question, quite often this is exactly what I want, but then on other times it is not what I want
[10:57] <ScottK> You give me the vcs version that already has it fixed and I spend hours trying to understand how that patch can be there and I have the problem.
[10:57] <ScottK> But if you want the vcs version, then use the vcs tools to get it.
[10:57] <ScottK> That's not what apt-get source is for.
[10:58] <ScottK> It should always return exactly what's in the repository.
[10:58] <ScottK> Any other way is a path to chaos and madness.
[10:58] <mvo> but if the vcs version has the fix already, isn't it a duplication of effort to get the version without the fix and fix it again?
[10:58] <mvo> in your example?
[10:58] <ScottK> But if I'm seeing the problem in the released version, get a different source and don't know it, how will I know that?
[10:59] <ScottK> If I'm trying to root cause a bug, I was the exact package that's having the bug.
[10:59] <mvo> I agree that it should give the version in the archive, I do not agree that its the path to madness to use the vcs version. a lot of confusion is there because with a vcs you have the version in the archive and the version in your vcs. if those get out of sync, things become difficult
[10:59] <ScottK> Agreed it's difficult.
[11:00] <mvo> ideally the vcs version with the fix states that it has the fix in the changelog
[11:00] <mvo> ideally :)
[11:00] <ScottK> The path to madness bit is if apt-get source starts returning stuff other than the source package in the repositories.  That's what apt-get source is for.
[11:01] <ubotu> New bug: #130255 in Ubuntu "Wish: Please default-accept CAcert.ord SSL Certificates" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/130255
[11:01] <mvo> ok, that is something I agree with. it should not do this without prior authorization or without the technical means to get the same thing that is in the archive
[11:02] <mvo> it seems to me like the whole topic is big enough to discuss in a broader scope
[11:02] <ScottK> I agree.
[11:02] <mvo> would you mind to bring it up on ubuntu-devel? so that others can share the opinions?
[11:02] <ScottK> Sorry if the language in the bug was strong, but I found the whole change very disturbing.
[11:03] <mvo> I'm sure you are not the only one and there is a lot of room for improvment
[11:03] <ScottK> How about I do that and you clarify the warning and just ask the question for stuff on LP in the meantime?
[11:03] <mvo> so no need to apologize :)
[11:03] <ScottK> Thanks.
[11:03] <mvo> that sounds like a great plan
[11:03] <mvo> if you help me with a better text, that would be great (you are a native speaker, right?)
[11:04] <ScottK> I am a native speaker.
[11:04] <mvo> cool
[11:04] <ScottK> How about if I update the bug with a recommendation and confirm it after I do?
[11:04] <mvo> sounds good to me, thanks! its a bit later here already, I will probably go to sleep soon. can we do that tomorrow (or monday)
[11:05] <ScottK> Sure.
[11:05] <ScottK> I'll be around both most of the day.
[11:06] <ubotu> New bug: #130256 in gzip (main) "zcmp keeps running in a endless loop" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/130256
[11:06] <ubotu> New bug: #130257 in pidgin (main) "problem with spell checker in pidgin (and previously gaim)" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/130257
[11:20] <ubotu> New bug: #130259 in nautilus (main) "Slow moving of (media) files when viewing the target folder" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/130259
[11:40] <ubotu> New bug: #130262 in screen (main) "screen not compiled with 256color support" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/130262
[11:45] <ubotu> New bug: #130263 in ppracer (universe) "Crash on Ubuntu Gutsy with Compiz" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/130263
[11:45] <ubotu> New bug: #130264 in libcairo-perl (main) "sync request" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/130264