=== Gman [i=gman@nat/sun/x-b55ed4fa2833f2b1] has joined #ubuntu-devel === LaserJock [n=mantha@lambda.chem.unr.edu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jonib1 [n=jonas@ua-83-227-144-18.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === hoora_ [i=ariel@gateway/tor/x-1a703b5fd4bfffa8] has joined #ubuntu-devel === hoora_ [i=ariel@gateway/tor/x-e10b4c093ea6a4b3] has joined #ubuntu-devel === tkamppeter [n=till@bl8-121-73.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:36] superm1: it's in the main sponsors queue [12:36] superm1: I assigned it to myself for sponsorship review [12:36] cjwatson, ah right. Just wanted to check and see if that was why or if you had other ideas for it [12:36] I don't know yet :-) [12:37] hi cjwatson [12:38] LaserJock: hi, you have mail ;-) [12:39] morning [12:39] you know, I might be able to respond to mikmorg if he didn't keep asking me questions in my evening and then quitting before I get back ... sigh [12:40] heh === mthaddon [n=mthaddon@canonical/launchpad/mthaddon] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:40] cjwatson: so, any ETA on when the CD build machine will be back up? === Gman [i=gman@nat/sun/x-50c61c0529cdd6be] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:41] great, still 2 weeks until UVF [12:41] a new version of f-spot came out today [12:42] LaserJock: I'll get it sorted out tomorrow one way or the otherr [12:42] other [12:42] ok cool [12:42] either by fixing mkisofs to stop segfaulting or by just downgrading it to dapper [12:42] I'd just like to make sure it works before Tribe 4 [12:43] oh, sure === duese [n=Ident@p5484E3F2.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:43] I'm not going to leave CD builds broken over the weekend if I can help it [12:43] cool, thanks for doing all that [12:43] cjwatson, is this what was breaking the ppc dailies too, or is that a sep issue? [12:43] I *might* need to do one more patch to add in icons before Gutsy is released [12:44] but I'm not sure at this point so I didn't want to add it in for nothing === xnix [n=xnix@n157s046.ntc.blacksburg.shentel.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:45] ajmitch: hey [12:45] hello [12:46] superm1: err I have no idea what was breaking the powerpc dailies; reference? [12:46] as in, roughly when [12:46] and which images, etc. [12:46] cjwatson, i just tried the last 3 days images [12:46] aug 1, july 31, july 30 [12:46] broken in what way? [12:46] they boot to a busy box shell [12:47] and sit there [12:47] that's not this problem [12:47] I have no idea what that is [12:47] live cd? [12:47] yes [12:47] booting to a shell is usually the kernel failing to detect hardware, though it could conceivably also be initramfs-tools or casper breakage [12:47] i just obtained a powerpc eMac for a week or two to experiment with, and ran into that imm [12:47] i see [12:47] have you got *any* Ubuntu live CD to boot on it? [12:47] yes [12:47] well [12:47] with a little work yes [12:48] xorg conf generation needs a litle work [12:48] but after fixing the xorgconf on a live boot it boots [12:48] i did a feisty live disk === ryu2 [n=chris@unaffiliated/ryu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ryu2 is now known as ryu [12:49] actually as i recall, a dist-upgrade to gutsy did the same thing [12:49] i'll have to look more into it and file a bug yet then [12:50] hi LaserJock [12:52] Was my bootloader GUI feedback helpful? [12:52] mpt: I think quite [12:52] mpt: hopefully he can parse it all === Martinp23 [n=martinp2@wikimedia/Martinp23] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:54] mpt: I also have a 1024X768 screen and it was fine (in fact that's what I used to take the screenshots in my blog) === doko_ [n=doko@dslb-088-073-122-108.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:54] mpt: so I guess it must be some sort of bug [12:57] LaserJock, one possibility that occurs to me [12:57] Is the "Operating System List" set to scroll? === Toroman [n=sercanii@88.231.69.179] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:57] mpt: not sure [12:57] I can see about 12 items in the list, there are probably more [12:57] oh geeze :-) [12:57] ok, what the hell [12:58] and if the list is set to insist on showing all of them, that might be the problem :-) [12:58] mkisofs on antimony works fine if I recompile it in an edgy chroot [12:58] sigh, tomorrow [01:00] mpt: yep, that could be it === RadiantFire [n=ryan@c-69-180-43-27.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jono [n=jono@ubuntu/member/jono] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jml [n=jml@ppp121-44-217-216.lns1.hba1.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === RadiantFire_ [n=ryan@c-69-180-43-27.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === astro76 [n=james@unaffiliated/astro76] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jono [n=jono@ubuntu/member/jono] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Toroman [n=sercanii@88.231.69.179] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === norsetto [n=cesare@host206-238-dynamic.16-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel === cassidy [n=cassidy@78.166-200-80.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jgoss [n=josh@unaffiliated/jgoss] has joined #ubuntu-devel === justinwray [n=justinwr@c-68-34-224-91.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === licio [n=licio@ubuntu/member/licio] has joined #ubuntu-devel === xnix [n=xnix@n157s046.ntc.blacksburg.shentel.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/Amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-devel === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #ubuntu-devel === eggauah [n=daniel@201.82.16.4] has joined #ubuntu-devel === calc [n=ccheney@209.169.124.200] has joined #ubuntu-devel === iwj [n=ian@213.165.225.135] has joined #ubuntu-devel === TheInfinity_ [n=TheInfin@pD950F893.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === coNP [n=conp@unaffiliated/conp] has joined #ubuntu-devel === coNP [n=conp@unaffiliated/conp] has joined #ubuntu-devel === BenC [n=bcollins@debian/developer/bcollins] has joined #ubuntu-devel === calamari [n=calamari@ip72-200-73-175.tc.ph.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:13] hi === RadiantFire [n=ryan@c-69-180-43-27.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:14] I'm attempting to loop mount a fuse systems in the initramfs. Got the fuse working, but for some reason losetup doesn't seem to work (the resulting /dev/loop0 is empty. Any ideas? Works okay from normal environment === elkbuntu [n=melissa@ubuntu/member/elkbuntu] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:22] actually, maybe I'd be better off working from normal init.. nm === calamari [n=calamari@ip72-200-73-175.tc.ph.cox.net] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] === cprov [n=cprov@canonical/launchpad/cprov] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:40] hello Hobbsee [03:40] hi ajmitch === ryu [n=chris@unaffiliated/ryu] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Gone] === bddebian [n=bdefrees@c-71-224-172-103.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === xeruno [n=xeruno@cable201-233-35-10.epm.net.co] has joined #ubuntu-devel === justinwray [n=justinwr@c-68-34-224-91.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:49] good morning campers! === Hobbsee pokes mneptok with a pin [03:50] Sheesh, glad I didn't say hello :-) === mneptok deflattusates === jsgotangco [n=JSG@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:50] good day mneptok [03:51] arr ajmitch === micahcowan [n=micah@ubuntu/member/micahcowan] has joined #ubuntu-devel === micahcowan [n=micah@ubuntu/member/micahcowan] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] [03:55] hi ajmitch [03:55] Whoa, hey bhale [03:55] hello bhale, how are you? [03:55] whoa bddebian [03:55] ajmitch: good, you? [03:56] alright === Knightlust [n=Dax@ubuntu/member/knightlust] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:59] dobey: if you dont file bugs on u-r-e, how do you expect me or someone else to find out about what other codecs people want, and add them too? === Hobbsee failed mind-reading 101 [04:00] Nafallo: irc is a dodgy bug tracker. please use the proper one. === Hobbsee has, incidently, done the last whole bunch of uploads for u-u-s [04:00] Hobbsee: I did one a while ago. [04:01] Or it maybe was two. [04:01] oh, sorry, u-r-e [04:01] TheMuso: which? [04:01] huh? [04:01] Hobbsee: nvm since you are referring to ure. [04:02] dobey: ubuntu-restricted-extras, how you're complaining that it doesnt have fluendo stuff. please make a bug against u-r-e for that, so it gets fixed. [04:02] i wasn't complaining that restricted-extras doesn't have fluendo stuff [04:03] s/complaining/mentioning/ :) [04:03] dobey: still, i'd appreciate if you could file said bug. [04:04] i mentioned that the codec installer didn't list the fluendo stuff. it has nothing to do with restricted-extras to me. and i mentioned it because it was relevant to the conversation of people complaining about automatix :) [04:05] and i never said i wouldn't file a bug [04:05] dobey: afaik, the codec installer *is* the restricted-extras. or close to it. [04:05] dobey: i think i've seen too much of forums - they say "it'd be so cool to have this added" yet never file a bug or actually tell someone about it, usefully === minghua [n=minghua@ubuntu/member/minghua] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:06] welcome to teh internets [04:07] it would be so cool to kck Hobbsee's ass. maybe i should start working out .... nah, i'll have some more Doritos and do it tomorrow. === mode/#ubuntu-devel [+o Hobbsee] by ChanServ === mneptok was kicked off #ubuntu-devel by Hobbsee (as would it be to give mneptok a BOOT TO THE HEAD!!!) === mode/#ubuntu-devel [-o Hobbsee] by Hobbsee === mneptok [n=mneptok@canonical/support/mneptok] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:08] mneptok: :P [04:09] i like it rough. [04:09] which is a good thing, as my reprehensible personality incites abuse. [04:09] dobey: then again, if they know that they have to file bugs, and refuse to, do they really want it added? :) [04:09] dobey: tbh, i'd prefer not to try the uni uplink - it works for irc, but uploading things might be a bit evil [04:11] Hobbsee: you've been reading the thread about packages to add to universe, haven't you? [04:11] ajmitch: no. although i get that every once in a while, as i got subscribed to everything i post === Hobbsee definetly ignores that one [04:11] ajmitch: i was more thinking little bugs === jetscreamer [n=jetscrea@unaffiliated/jetscreamer] has joined #ubuntu-devel === hunger_t [n=tobias@p54A72352.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jsgotangco [n=JSG@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Hobbsee goes off in search of lunchi [04:37] hi spam === johanbr [n=j@blk-89-207-129.eastlink.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mathiaz [n=mathiaz@dsl-207-112-71-38.tor.primus.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:48] infinity: Have I hit near the top of your todo list yet? [04:50] Ish. :) [04:50] Only 8000 lpia builds to go, after all. [04:50] Hah [04:56] lol [04:57] hhe. [04:58] calc: Have you got a plan to upload OO.o 2.3? [04:58] calc: And will it build on powerpc? :-) [04:59] That's our hope. [05:12] Is there an archive admin aboot that could throw a package back up for me? [05:12] StevenK: plan is as soon as i get it fully merged, and i don't know about ppc yet [05:14] anyone know why the kubuntu alt cd installer doesn't locate 3 of my 4 sata drives even though the bios and the main cd find them fine? :( === LaserJock [n=mantha@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sbalneav [n=sbalneav@S0106000b6a5631f9.wp.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === thekorn [n=thekorn@a89-182-27-251.net-htp.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === robitaille_ [n=robitail@ubuntu/member/robitaille] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Dessan [n=andrew@ip68-105-63-168.pn.at.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === stub [n=stub@ppp-58.8.16.11.revip2.asianet.co.th] has joined #ubuntu-devel === nags [n=nags@125.16.129.16] has joined #ubuntu-devel === gouki [n=gouki@ubuntu/member/gouki] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Gman [i=gman@nat/sun/x-31d226f29d8a7363] has joined #ubuntu-devel === xtknight [n=xtknight@c-68-43-120-159.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === xtknight [n=xtknight@c-68-43-120-159.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === drago [n=drago@modemcable178.77-70-69.static.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:25] guys, what kernel will be used in 6.06.2 release? [07:25] drago: given the api/abi stability statements, probably the same one as is in current 6.06.1 [07:25] 2.6.15, same as always? === calc [n=ccheney@conr-adsl-209-169-124-200.consolidated.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:27] are we doing a 6.06.2? [07:28] apparantly it's planned [07:31] Yes. [07:31] It's due out this month. [07:31] If your LP-foo is sufficent you can get a list of the targetted bugs. [07:32] ScottK: you doing evil things to goats again? [07:33] Not that I'm willing to admint too, no. [07:33] admint/admit === xtknight [n=xtknight@c-68-43-120-159.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:36] ScottK: by admitted you are able to get that kind of information out of LP, you already have :) [07:36] Ah. [07:36] No, I can't do it. [07:36] I just happened to be on IRC when I saw someone else. [07:36] Didn't book mark it though. [07:37] My LP-foo mostly consists of bitching and filing bugs. [07:38] https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+milestone/ubuntu-6.06.2 [07:39] Yeah. That's the one. [07:41] Burgundavia, so *you* are doing evil things to goats? [07:42] Seveas: a gentleman never tells [07:42] but a wease^H^H^H^H^HBurgundavia does :) [07:43] you know, I thought somebody might make that joke [07:43] it's fairly predictable [07:43] nah, I just sleep with LP developers === ivoks [n=ivoks@20-182.dsl.iskon.hr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === maniacmusician [n=maniacmu@24-151-1-004.dhcp.nwtn.ct.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === hoora_ [i=ariel@gateway/tor/x-376e6cb36a58fc1e] has joined #ubuntu-devel === viviersf [n=cain@gw.impilinux.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-devel === LaserJock [n=mantha@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has joined #ubuntu-devel === keyes [n=keyes@easyubuntu/keyes] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jsgotangco [n=JSG@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-devel === \sh_away is now known as \sh === iwj [n=ian@213.165.225.135] has joined #ubuntu-devel === coNP [n=conp@unaffiliated/conp] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pitti [n=pitti@ubuntu/member/pitti] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:34] Good mooooorning! [08:35] morning pitti [08:36] Morning pitti [08:36] pitti: lib{gn,kl}ash0 look be able to be NBS'd when gnash gets NEW'd [08:37] the unstoppable Steve :) [08:37] Heh [08:37] pitti: It seems infinity can stop me. He doesn't love me at all. :-) === ivoks [n=ivoks@20-182.dsl.iskon.hr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === cslater [n=cslater@adsl-69-225-195-193.dsl.scrm01.pacbell.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === cslater [n=cslater@adsl-69-225-195-193.dsl.scrm01.pacbell.net] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [08:41] NBS? [08:41] Not Build from Source [08:42] It looks like gaim has hit NBS, too. [08:42] as in FTBFS? [08:42] You mean pidgin? === chand [n=rsamson@linagoraberri.pck.nerim.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === carlos [n=carlos@canonical/launchpad/carlos] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:43] (fails to build from source) [08:43] No, gaim. Pidgin still builds from sources, obviously :) === chand_ [n=rsamson@linagoraberri.pck.nerim.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:43] But why do we still have gaim? :) [08:43] lamont: As in: there are binaries in the archive that can't be rebuilt. [08:44] lamont: No, as in Pidgin no longer builds a gaim package, not that it fails to build. :_) [08:44] ah, ok === beuno [n=martin@ubuntu/member/beuno] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:46] One I can fix simply. [08:46] My problem is, the others have gaim- in their name. [08:47] StevenK: erk, pidgin not building a transitional package any more? that's wrong [08:47] Replaces: gaim (<< 1:2.0.0+beta6-3) [08:48] pitti: Nope. Okay, let's get seb128. === superm1 [n=superm1@ubuntu/member/superm1] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:48] pitti: You get the pitchforks, I'll get the flaming torches, and then we can lay in wait. :-) === pitti grins evily and hides around a corner === StevenK grins [08:49] Why is gaim needed any more? [08:49] pitti: I saw no mention of it being dropped in the changelog. [08:52] pitti: I can upload pidgin adding gaim back, or I can wait, and we can interogate seb128 and ask him what for. :-) [08:53] Package: pidgin [08:53] Binary: pidgin-dbg, pidgin-data, pidgin, pidgin-dev, gaim [08:53] hmm [08:53] Weird. [08:54] StevenK: seems it's a glitch in archive-cruft-check... [08:54] pitti: It isn't listed as being published on Launchpad. [08:54] gaim | 1:2.0.2-0ubuntu1 | gutsy | all === Gman [i=gman@nat/sun/x-95c859c25f9491a2] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:55] Binary: pidgin-dbg pidgin-dev pidgin-data pidgin [08:55] (From the i386 build logs) [08:56] weird [08:56] pitti: Actually, is your Package and Binary paste from 2.0.2? [08:56] yep [08:57] That's why, it isn't in 2.1.0 [08:57] ah, true /me tries to wake up properly [08:57] it seems it is based on a debian sync === StevenK hands pitti a large cup of tea [08:58] thanks, that helps [08:59] pitti: So, should I fix pidgin, or shall we ask seb128 what happened? === ivoks [n=ivoks@20-182.dsl.iskon.hr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:00] StevenK: if you feel like it, please fix it (just a debian/control re-addition, I think) [09:01] Agreed. === jsgotangco [n=JSG@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-devel === asisak [n=conp@unaffiliated/conp] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:06] StevenK: why is it a problem that gaim has been dropped? [09:07] coNP: Upgrade path. [09:07] coNP: How do you upgrade gaim to pidgin if there's no gaim transitional package? [09:07] Is "provides not enough? [09:07] coNP: no, apt won't see that === rulus [n=rulus_|@63.139-244-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:08] coNP: well, it won't install pidgin just because of that [09:08] Oh. I see, many thanks. It seems to be Debian-related. [09:08] Okay I see the problem. [09:08] coNP: you need an actual Conflicts: to coerce apt/dpkg to replace a package [09:09] Sure, we'll just make libc6 conflict with gaim, that'll force the upgrade! === infinity waits to get hit. [09:09] pitti: I daresay you trust me enough to just upload it? :-) === coNP asks pitti for the pitchfork [09:09] StevenK: sure === StevenK hits infinity. Look at libnss-db! [09:09] infinity: :-) [09:09] I look at it every day. It brings me joy. [09:09] Sometimes I look twice. [09:10] I'd upload, but I fear that sharing that much beauty and perfection with the world may cause mass hysteria and confusion. [09:10] /dev/mapper/system-home 15G 15G 0 100% /home [09:10] Sigh [09:10] And so, regretfully, I keep it to myself. [09:11] StevenK: I'm sure you understand. [09:11] (Also, lpia can bite me... That is all) [09:11] infinity: But I want yada demoted! *bounce impatiently* === ivoks_ [n=ivoks@20-182.dsl.iskon.hr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:13] So do I, so do I. [09:13] Patience, young one. === Starting logfile irclogs/ubuntu-devel.log === ubuntulog [i=ubuntulo@ubuntu/bot/ubuntulog] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Topic for #ubuntu-devel: Development of Ubuntu (not support, even with gutsy; not application development on Ubuntu) | #ubuntu for support and general discussion for dapper/edgy/feisty, #ubuntu+1 for gutsy support | #ubuntu-motu for getting involved in development | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment | See #ubuntu-bugs for http://wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpingWithBugs | TRIBE 3 RELEASED! \o/ === Topic (#ubuntu-devel): set by Hobbsee at Thu Jul 19 17:52:42 2007 === Hobbsee waves === Hobbsee kills the network mangler again [09:16] nonexsisting ALLMULTI and RUNNING makes some services broken === Tonio_ [n=tonio@mst45-2-82-242-83-37.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === siti [n=siti@121-73-61-64.cable.telstraclear.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:18] is it possible to set those flags somehow? :) [09:25] pitti: btw, Gutsy full export should be ready [09:25] yay === Hobbsee hugs pitti [09:25] pitti: the Dapper one should be ready anytime between this afternoon and this evening [09:26] carlos: does the gutsy one also have the problem of dropped .po files? [09:26] pitti: I guess some files would have that problem [09:26] yes [09:26] let me see the log... [09:27] pitti: there are two files in that situation [09:27] so I guess is ok to go ahead and use it [09:27] carlos: something important? [09:27] next full export update will include them (I fixed the problem so future exports should work) [09:28] ok, cool [09:29] Mithrandir: ping ? === mkorn [n=mkorn@studserv.stud.uni-hannover.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:30] Tonio_: on leave [09:30] Mithrandir is on VAC until Tuesday === StevenK high fives Hobbsee [09:30] pitti: [09:30] system-config-kickstart | fr [09:30] pppoeconf | zh_TW [09:30] StevenK: ^5 :( [09:30] * :) [09:30] StevenK: argh :/ [09:30] StevenK: well he told me he would upload latest bluez packages before leaving, but it looks like one of them is missing [09:31] pitti: I'm test building pidgin, since the transitional package also provides symlinks. [09:31] oki let's wait a week then ;) [09:32] carlos: ok, doesn't sound too bad, it doesn't affect central desktop packages; I'll use that then === infinity scratches his head. [09:33] Don't we modify rmadison to work against a CGI on gluck? [09:33] Cause my rmadison here is hitting qa.debian.org... [09:33] (And clearly isn't modified at all) [09:34] asac: ping [09:34] infinity: Trying to query Ubuntu packages? [09:34] StevenK: Yeah. Just doing it on drescher instead. :P === Zdra [n=zdra@197.218-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:35] infinity: rmadison -u ubuntu [09:35] Unknown option: u [09:35] Oh, wait. I bet this snazzy feature was added in gutsy's devscripts. [09:35] And I'm a slacker on feisty. [09:35] Heh === Hobbsee wonders what the changes since last milestone are [09:36] I'm still not used to not being distro and, hence, not running development crack... [09:36] On the other hand, the stable system is kinda a pleasant change. [09:37] Stability is boring, though. [09:37] Exceitment is pain. [09:37] Excitement, too. [09:38] I don't think I could live with knowing for sure that my system will work when I boot it up. :P [09:38] Then turn it off and put an axe through it? [09:38] StevenK: Good idea! [09:38] Then you'll know for sure it won't work when you boot it up. :-P [09:39] Bugs lead to anger, anger leads to hate, hate leads to dead coworkers. I'm sure we're all better off with me running stable releases. [09:39] Maybe I should send you an AGP video card we have here. [09:39] infinity: You have no local coworkers, do yo [09:39] +u? [09:40] I'm willing to travel. [09:40] The other sysadmin here put a different AGP video card into a server on last Friday and fried the motherboard. The server being a dual Xeon 2GHz expensive thing. [09:40] StevenK: Ooh, nice. [09:40] StevenK: Was he trying to get a better framerate in Doom or something? === siti [n=siti@121-73-61-64.cable.telstraclear.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:43] infinity: feisty is love [09:43] well, with gutsy's git-core backported [09:44] infinity: No, trying to free up a remote management board. [09:46] Oh, nice one Pidgin. It's Makefile has CFLAGS that contains " -g -g -O2 -O2" [09:46] Evidently, it wants to be really sure. [09:46] No harm in that, except for the "HAHA" factor. === mvo [n=egon@p54A66FCD.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:46] AKA, the Nelson Factor. [09:47] infinity: Which is why I'm commenting. :-) [09:47] Morning, Michael. [09:47] mvo: I'm not entirely happy with apt, you have a moment? === infinity kicks himself as he realises the binaries he wanted weren't published yet because he didn't NEW them. [09:48] Not my day, this one. [09:49] infinity: sure [09:49] good morning infinity [09:49] mvo: Aww, I was hoping for a more entertaining response. [09:49] mvo: (I don't have any issues with apt right now, I just like to see you panic) [09:50] infinity: like 'I'm not happy with apt either' ? === StevenK whispers "openssl" near infinity [09:50] infinity: don't do this to me in my morning before I had a cup of tea :P [09:50] mvo: Something closer to "dear god, Adam has another obscure apt feature request, where can I hide?" === hunger_t [n=tobias@pd95b0676.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:50] hiya mvo. please dont break things again for the tribe ;) [09:50] mvo: Your last bizarre feature request is holding up well, though. [09:51] Hobbsee: actually that was the plan ... new abi breaking apt today === Hobbsee beats mvo with a big stick [09:51] mvo: A mainline upload with the SecondaryArch hacks would be cool. Do you have a branch with those patches on it that I could branch from and help you clean up the code? [09:51] pitti: Pidgin uploaded. [09:52] calc: please get OOO fixed ASAP. I dont want to have to boot to windows, and write this long evil report there. [09:52] yay you, thanks [09:52] infinity: s/obscure/obscene/??? [09:52] infinity: I have a branch, I just need to check if I pushed it to the world [09:52] lamont: Yeah, or that. [09:52] lamont: :P [09:52] lamont: Have you SEEN the SecondaryArch stuff? It's just plain wrong. [09:53] (But feels oh so right...) [09:53] mvo: many of infinity's requests are obscene. not sure how much he's walking in my footsteps, and how much he's leading-out now. [09:53] infinity: lalalalalalalala [09:54] lamont: that is really hard to say, but infinity is definitely creative in his feature reuquests [09:54] lamont: I owe everything I am to having been driven insane by your shell. [09:54] mvo: "creative" ... I'll have to remember that term [09:54] infinity: dude. it works. who needs python/perl/whatever [09:55] ?? [09:55] lamont: I do everything in shell too, generally. But my shell used to be readable until I met you. :P [09:55] learned some tricks? or just fried your brain? [09:55] The latter. [09:55] hehe === dwatson [n=david@host81-149-11-82.in-addr.btopenworld.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:56] hrm... 2am... I should really sleep soonish [09:56] Wimp. [09:56] I'm only like 3 times your age until you graduate from high school, turkey. [09:57] (I actually expect that I'm less than twice your age...) [09:57] Hey, I'm hitting the big three-oh in a month, I'm feeling more LaMonty every day. [09:57] 44 in a month or so [09:57] That's three-uh-oh [09:57] you're just all old :P === lamont looks up infinity's birthday [09:58] after mine === infinity is too lazy to look up LaMont's. [09:58] morning [09:58] mine's more work, since I'm not on that page anymore. [09:58] iz 11 days before yours [09:58] infinity: welcome to the old-farts club [09:59] lamont: Damn, I was going to use db.debian.org to find yours, but you don't have it listed. [09:59] :-) [10:00] Hrm, neither do I. [10:00] Is that field new? === Fujitsu is too young. [10:00] I think so [10:00] Fujitsu has been in business since before I was born, I believe [10:00] == not young. :-) [10:00] Hah [10:00] Heh. === ion_ [i=ion@heh.fi] has joined #ubuntu-devel === chand [n=rsamson@linagoraberri.pck.nerim.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === keyes [n=keyes@easyubuntu/keyes] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:04] Hm, why did ubuntu-crashes-universe get subscribed to bug #130089? [10:04] Bug 130089 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/130089 is private === seb128 [n=seb128@ubuntu/member/seb128] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:06] pitti: Get him, he's here! [10:06] ? === StevenK whistles innocently. === seb128 runs away from pitti [10:06] hey seb128! [10:06] Fujitsu: because it's private? [10:06] heya seb128! [10:06] mvo: hello [10:06] Hobbsee: hello [10:07] seb128: Your Pidgin merge from Debian dropped the gaim transitional package. [10:07] Fujitsu: marked as dead [10:07] StevenK: yes, that's because Debian use the gaim source to build transitional packages now and I'm going to sync that [10:07] Oh drat, I didn't know that. [10:07] seb128: got any new stuff since the last tribe that should be in the release notes? [10:07] Hobbsee: GNOME 2.19.6 [10:08] Hobbsee: transition to rarian [10:08] Hobbsee: fast user switching using consolekit [10:08] Hobbsee: I think the problem is that it should have been in crashes-main not -universe as notification-daemon is main [10:08] pitti: Right, what do we do now? [10:08] Hobbsee: The package is in main, though. [10:08] StevenK: ah right [10:08] Hobbsee: gnome-keyring pam integration (coming) [10:08] seb128: great. pity i dont know what #2 and #3 are :) [10:08] Hobbsee: tracker installed (need some work though) [10:08] seb128: thanks === seb128 grrrrr [10:09] hey seb128 [10:09] StevenK, pitti: can't you wait for me to show up before uploading desktop things? [10:09] I did drop that transitional package on purpose [10:09] hello pitti [10:10] But if that was mentioned in the changelog, I wouldn't have questioned it. [10:10] StevenK: why should I have mentionned it? that's a merge, I mention only things we add there, not every change we don't do [10:10] seb128: oh, you want to have a separate source package which only builds a transitional package? [10:10] pitti: yes, what Debian does and what we can sync [10:11] easier [10:11] hmkay; sorry then... [10:11] StevenK: I'm on IRC often enough to wait for me to be connected and ask before uploading random changes [10:11] seb128: Shall I revert my change and grovel at your feet? [10:11] not that's ok [10:11] Can someone please give back mysql-admin on i386 and powerpc? [10:11] I still have my upload from yesterday, I'll dch on it and upload [10:11] seb128: Okay. Sorry for the trouble. [10:12] that's alright [10:12] thanks for the work === Hobbsee goes home [10:13] seb128: ok, next time we'll wait; perdon [10:13] if that's a package I maintain actively though better to ask before doing changes === StevenK nods. [10:13] usually I don't screw to much and there might be a reason for a change ;) [10:13] s/to/too [10:13] pitti: that's alright === seb128 hugs pitti === StevenK runs off home. === Gasten [n=Gasten@h52n9c1o1095.bredband.skanova.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ivoks [n=ivoks@20-182.dsl.iskon.hr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #ubuntu-devel === tuxcrafter [n=tuxcraft@84-245-7-46.dsl.cambrium.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:21] Can somebody explain to me the difference between libc6and libc6-i686and why they are both installed. And what happens if I have removed libc6-i686? [10:22] tuxcrafter: apt-cache show libc6-i686 [10:22] in fedora you can install only one [10:23] ubuntu is not fedora [10:23] and #ubuntu-devel is not for support :) [10:23] We're obviously more clever. [10:24] infinity: exactly [10:24] Filename: pool/main/g/glibc/libc6_2.5-0ubuntu14_i386.deb [10:24] oke so if i remove libc6-i686 [10:25] Then you don't have a 686-optimised libc anymore. [10:25] it will automatic be take over by ibc6_2.5-0ubuntu14_i386.deb [10:25] and i will use i386 instructions [10:25] i486, actually, but yeah. [10:25] on my i686 cpuy === asac_ [n=asac@debian/developer/asac] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:26] tuxcrafter: where do you want to go with that? [10:27] is there some trick to let linux think there is an i386 machine instead of an i686 [10:27] tuxcrafter: if the optimized version is installed it's used, if it's not installed it's not used [10:27] seems to be logical, no? [10:27] there is an bug with the via C7 cpu and glibc / libc6 thanks makes the system get a total lockup [10:28]