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| === Topic for #ubuntu-server: Ubuntu Server discussion and support | for general (not server specific) support visit #ubuntu | Seriously good guide to asking questions on IRC: http://www.sabi.co.uk/Notes/linuxHelpAsk.html | ||
| === Topic (#ubuntu-server): set by nealmcb at Sat Jul 7 23:04:50 2007 | ||
| kraut | moin | 09:16 |
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| stiv2k | how do i set a static ip for my server | 09:52 |
| stiv2k | nvm | 09:53 |
| stiv2k | <3 google | 09:53 |
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| juliux | ood morning | 10:44 |
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| Drazha | odd morning | 10:56 |
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| baggito | odd afternoon | 12:00 |
| Drazha | soon enough | 12:05 |
| Drazha | it will be day | 12:06 |
| Drazha | and then evening | 12:06 |
| Drazha | and then.... | 12:06 |
| Drazha | the night shall fall# | 12:06 |
| Drazha | so anyway... | 12:07 |
| Drazha | WHY Ubuntu Server? | 12:08 |
| baggito | because we're used to ubuntu now? | 12:08 |
| baggito | and have faith in their dogma | 12:08 |
| Drazha | just because of that? | 12:08 |
| Drazha | that dogma being? | 12:08 |
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| baggito | mmmm | 12:11 |
| baggito | something about linux and humans | 12:11 |
| juliux | Drazha, ubuntu rocks, that is all, and pls no flamewars;) | 12:12 |
| Drazha | actually I am not trying to start a flamewar, honest to god | 12:12 |
| Drazha | I am just trying to understand, is all | 12:12 |
| juliux | Drazha, i use ubuntu on servers because i have ubuntu on all my desktop computers and i knwo how to work with ubuntu systems, so it is easier for me to have ubuntu on the server then debian or gentoo | 12:13 |
| juliux | Drazha, i only have to read one security liste, i only have to test the upgrades on one system | 12:14 |
| juliux | so its less work for me | 12:14 |
| baggito | that's basically my idea too | 12:15 |
| baggito | ubuntu on desktop, ubuntu on server | 12:15 |
| baggito | develop on desktop, deploy on server | 12:15 |
| baggito | it's much easier if you don't have to start dealing with package-version skew or trans-location of files | 12:16 |
| juliux | Drazha, and if i found a problem on my desktop i can fix it theren then i know that this problem can be also on my server but then i know how to fix it | 12:16 |
| Drazha | hm, ok, so lets say I find that ubuntu has an old version of some app | 12:26 |
| Drazha | i am back to compiling from scatch and sources? | 12:26 |
| soren | Drazha: Depends on the app. | 12:36 |
| juliux | Drazha, i also compile some apps. for example qmail | 12:36 |
| soren | Drazha: Generally, if you're the kind of person who needs a lot of recent software, you *really* want to be running the latest release. | 12:36 |
| soren | Drazha: And generally, the software in the lastest release should be quite recent. | 12:37 |
| soren | Drazha: Also, for some packages, it not really all that difficult to backport it yourself. | 12:37 |
| soren | Drazha: Are you thinking of any particular app or just asking a general question? | 12:37 |
| Drazha | just a general question | 12:39 |
| Drazha | you see, the only reason why I stay on the edge of development because a lot of security features are intriduced, such as in antispam etc... | 12:39 |
| Drazha | sometimes when one needs to upgrade its living hell | 12:39 |
| Drazha | so I kinda thought maybe freebsd would be kewl, but i have issues with that... | 12:39 |
| Drazha | and I havent used debian nor ubuntu that much in server variant to know much about issues such as upgrading etc | 12:40 |
| soren | Drazha: My upgrade habits are not really sane, so I can't say for sure, but I think generally upgrades are pretty smooth with Ubuntu Server. | 12:41 |
| soren | (I upgrade at some point during the development cycle, so that doesn't really count) | 12:42 |
| Drazha | ok so whats the difference between ubuntu desktop and server? no X stuff? | 12:42 |
| soren | Drazha: it's the same software repository, so the only real difference it the selection of software that gets installed by default. X for instance is not installed by default on servers. | 12:42 |
| Drazha | I see | 12:43 |
| Drazha | so just a package selection that is different | 12:43 |
| soren | Drazha: Yes. | 12:43 |
| Drazha | if I were silly, I could pretty much easily install just abount anything and make the box everything and nothing | 12:43 |
| soren | Drazha: Yes. You can easily take a server install and install gnome on it, and presto, it's a desktop! :) | 12:44 |
| soren | Drazha: Except for the different kernel, of course. | 12:44 |
| Drazha | a server desktop :) | 12:44 |
| soren | Drazha: The servers get a different kernel installed by default. | 12:44 |
| Drazha | hm, they develop a server kernel and a desktop kernel? | 12:44 |
| Drazha | hehe, this would not have to do with the recent scheduler conflict? | 12:44 |
| soren | Drazha: I can't remember all the differences, but stuff like using a different i/o scheduler and a lower HZ. | 12:44 |
| Drazha | :)) | 12:45 |
| Drazha | oh well, I guess it does make sense | 12:45 |
| Drazha | but I guess one could install both kernels and switch if one is so concerned about that | 12:45 |
| Drazha | not that running a web app on a box with gnome on it makes sense, but what the hey | 12:46 |
| soren | Precisely. They share the same repository, so you're not tied into anything. | 12:46 |
| Drazha | which basically then boils down to, which default MTA is ubuntu using, for example? | 12:48 |
| soren | None :) | 12:48 |
| soren | We have a no-open-ports-by-default policy. | 12:48 |
| soren | ..so we don't install an MTA by default. | 12:48 |
| soren | Exim and Postfix are both in main. | 12:48 |
| Nafallo | hmm | 12:48 |
| Nafallo | do we still? :-) | 12:49 |
| soren | Nafallo: still what? | 12:49 |
| Nafallo | soren: have that policy. I thought 5353 had been opened. | 12:49 |
| soren | Nafallo: Ah, have a no-open-ports-by-default policy? | 12:49 |
| soren | Nafallo: mdns is a bit special :) | 12:50 |
| Nafallo | in what ways? :-P | 12:50 |
| Nafallo | it | 12:50 |
| Nafallo | it's still an open port | 12:50 |
| soren | Nafallo: You need to remember that even though we have a no-open-ports-by-default, we still have DNS and DHCP installed, for instance. | 12:50 |
| Nafallo | soren: do we really? | 12:51 |
| soren | Nafallo: clients. | 12:51 |
| soren | Nafallo: They listen for stuff on the network. That's how they work :) | 12:51 |
| Nafallo | soren: clients doesn't open ports be default no... | 12:51 |
| Nafallo | soren: dns doesn't listen. it asks. | 12:51 |
| soren | Nafallo: And how do you think the response gets back? | 12:51 |
| Nafallo | same with dhcp | 12:51 |
| Nafallo | soren: well, that's not what we mean by no open ports :-) | 12:52 |
| Nafallo | soren: ofcourse epiphany open ports when I try to talk to T/80 :-P | 12:52 |
| soren | Nafallo: That's different. | 12:52 |
| soren | Nafallo: It's TCP connections. | 12:52 |
| Drazha | hm | 12:52 |
| Drazha | well what about ssh? :) is that closed by default as well? :)) | 12:53 |
| soren | Nafallo: Hang on, there's a wiki page about all of this. | 12:53 |
| soren | Drazha: Not installed. | 12:53 |
| Drazha | so how the heck do you get in your box remotely? | 12:53 |
| soren | Drazha: We ship it on the CD, so it's super easy to install it, but it's not installed by default. | 12:53 |
| Nafallo | soren: there is no open port for DNS on my client. | 12:53 |
| soren | Nafallo: Try making a dns query and watch your netstat. | 12:53 |
| Nafallo | soren: two udp for mdns and one for dhclient. | 12:53 |
| Nafallo | soren: sure, but that's not open by default. | 12:54 |
| soren | Nafallo: No, but it's not closed either. | 12:54 |
| Nafallo | soren: that's open on request. | 12:54 |
| Nafallo | soren: it is closed by default :-) | 12:54 |
| Nafallo | soren: if the client does not do a request it's closed. | 12:54 |
| soren | Nafallo: Yes, but the point is that when it's open, anyone can send stuff to it that might exploit a security hole. | 12:54 |
| Nafallo | agreed. but that's a pretty small chance they'll be able to see the port open and get to send data their in the time-frame :-) | 12:55 |
| Nafallo | there even | 12:55 |
| Drazha | hm, whats mdns anyway? I've seen it being mentioned before but was to lazy to google it | 12:56 |
| Nafallo | automatic service discovery | 12:56 |
| soren | Nafallo: A small chance is all a dedicated malicious person needs. | 12:57 |
| Nafallo | well, you can't talk to thinks if you don't listen for answers. if you're that paranoid you shouldn't even have the PC connected to electrical power. | 12:58 |
| Nafallo | s/nk/ng/ | 12:58 |
| soren | Nafallo: I'm not suggesting that we should disable dns or dhcp. | 12:58 |
| Nafallo | good ;-) | 12:58 |
| soren | Nafallo: I'm just pointing out that there *is* in fact stuff that evil-doers can connect to if they want. | 12:58 |
| Nafallo | sure, but most scriptkiddies can't :-) | 12:59 |
| Nafallo | the chance getting struck by those are fairly much higher. | 12:59 |
| soren | Nafallo: Sure they can. Just keep flooding until it opens up. | 12:59 |
| soren | Nafallo: a) the code has been audited many times, b) we can't really live without DNS capabilities. | 01:00 |
| soren | Nafallo: Hence, we accept this (minimal) risk. | 01:00 |
| Nafallo | then scriptkiddies must have became much better in the last years then :-) | 01:00 |
| soren | Nafallo: They just have more bandwidth :) | 01:00 |
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| Nafallo | hm. food. bbl. | 01:01 |
| soren | Nafallo: The mdns code has been audited, and the impact of a compromise has been deemed very small. | 01:01 |
| soren | Nafallo: On servers, though, we don't install it by default. | 01:01 |
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| Nafallo | I know :-) | 01:03 |
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| boxrock | can someone tell me how i play a wav file from shell? i get "oss_audio: failed to open audio device /dev/dsp" from flite | 03:23 |
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| sommer | boxrock: you can try aplay. | 03:29 |
| sommer | comes with alsa-utils | 03:30 |
| boxrock | aplay x.wav => PULSEAUDIO: Unable to connect: Connection refused | 03:31 |
| sommer | is the module for your sound card loaded? | 03:32 |
| boxrock | i can play the wav file from GUI | 03:33 |
| boxrock | but i need CLI | 03:33 |
| sommer | mmmm...mplayer works from CLI. Kind of a big package though. | 03:34 |
| baggito | mplayer is a good choice. it's quite robust | 03:36 |
| baggito | esdplay aswell, if you're using ESD | 03:36 |
| baggito | wait no. i'm talking crazy | 03:36 |
| baggito | yes it's in esound-clients package | 03:38 |
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| lamont | soren: listening on 127.0.0.1 is allowed under the no-open-ports policyu | 04:01 |
| soren | lamont: Right. | 04:01 |
| soren | lamont: Have I said otherwise? | 04:01 |
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| jdstrand | dendrobates: good morning | 04:16 |
| jdstrand | dendrobates: got your email about auth-client-config-- thanks | 04:16 |
| dendrobates | good morning | 04:16 |
| jdstrand | dendrobates: I also go the email about the change in the wiki. notably: | 04:17 |
| jdstrand | wait a sec, I think I misread it | 04:17 |
| jdstrand | ok so no migration script? | 04:18 |
| dendrobates | no, in the interest of time | 04:19 |
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| jdstrand | seems reasonable. your assertion here may be over simplified: | 04:20 |
| jdstrand | If /etc/libnss-ldap.conf or /etc/pam_ldap.conf exist, notify user that he must manually migrate the files | 04:20 |
| dendrobates | feel free to modify it. | 04:20 |
| jdstrand | in the case that the libnss-ldap and libpam-ldap may not be purged | 04:21 |
| jdstrand | but removed | 04:21 |
| dendrobates | true. | 04:21 |
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| jdstrand | will ldap-client-config depend, suggest, or recommend one or both of libpam-ldap and libnss-ldap? | 04:24 |
| dendrobates | I am working on a dependency tree now. | 04:27 |
| jdstrand | ldap-client-config could conflict with a versioned libnss-ldap and libpam-ldap, then when libnss-ldap and libpam-ldap are upgraded, they can remove those conffiles | 04:28 |
| jdstrand | but then you'd need to be sure that they got upgraded before ldap-client-config | 04:29 |
| dendrobates | that will work if a user installs ldap-auth-client. It will install everything. | 04:30 |
| dendrobates | But there are some complexities I am still learning. | 04:31 |
| jdstrand | right-- but on a standard upgrade, ldap-client-config wouldn't get installed yet | 04:31 |
| jdstrand | I am looking at this backward. | 04:32 |
| jdstrand | libnss-ldap must depend on ldap-client-config to have any configuration at all | 04:32 |
| jdstrand | libnss-ldap gets upgraded, and removes the old conffile | 04:33 |
| dendrobates | It does. | 04:33 |
| jdstrand | ldap-client-config create /etc/ldap.conf | 04:33 |
| jdstrand | ldap-client-config doesn't have to care at all about libnss-ldap.conf | 04:33 |
| jdstrand | it could just warn the user that the confiles have moved around, if they are found | 04:34 |
| jdstrand | but the user is forced to use ldap-client-config to configure | 04:34 |
| dendrobates | yes. I think it all works, but I need to look at all the use cases to make sure. | 04:35 |
| jdstrand | it does not provide a smooth upgrade though-- meaning pre-existing configuration is not preserved. :( But that was punted anyway | 04:36 |
| jdstrand | at least for gutsy | 04:36 |
| jdstrand | gutsy+1 is LTS? | 04:36 |
| dendrobates | yes. | 04:37 |
| jdstrand | so work could be done on the migration script for dapper to gutsy+1 | 04:37 |
| dendrobates | I'm thinking of checking for the old conffiles at preinst, and kicking out before install so the user can fix it. What do you think? | 04:38 |
| dendrobates | yes on the dapper to gutsy+1 | 04:38 |
| dendrobates | the problem is once the new pam_ldap and nss_ldap are installed there old confiles are useless and the system is broken. | 04:39 |
| jdstrand | to my thinking, if libnss-ldap and/or libpam-ldap are installed or removed but not purged, you will always hit that condition | 04:40 |
| jdstrand | on upgrade of course | 04:41 |
| dendrobates | true. It will require user intervention. Either migrate or purge than install. | 04:41 |
| dendrobates | brb | 04:42 |
| jdstrand | maybe for gutsy, an informational message stating the the conffile has moved to /etc/ldap.conf, but that it cannot be migrated and that they will be prompted for configuration via ldap-client-config | 04:42 |
| jdstrand | s/migrated/migrated automatically/ | 04:43 |
| jdstrand | this would have to be done in both libnss-ldap and libpam-ldap | 04:45 |
| jdstrand | could also talk about the benefits of using a unified conffile, to make the pill go down easier. :) | 04:45 |
| jdstrand | really-- since libnss-ldap and libpam-ldap will depend on ldap-config-config, you could put that message in ldap-client-config | 04:46 |
| jdstrand | as such, maybe rather than removing libnss-ldap.conf and pam-ldap.conf, those should be moved to libnss-ldap.conf.obsolete and pamldap.conf.obsolete, and the user told about that, so that the files are still available to compare with /etc/ldap.conf | 04:48 |
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| dendrobates | jdstrand: are you talking about gutsy or gutsy +1 | 05:05 |
| jdstrand | gutsy | 05:05 |
| jdstrand | gutsy+1 can keep working on migration script | 05:06 |
| jdstrand | for gutsy+1, only give message to user if the migration failed | 05:06 |
| jdstrand | these are ideas mind you. but seems to work | 05:07 |
| jdstrand | to summarize my thoughts: | 05:08 |
| dendrobates | So you want to rename, and configure no matter what? | 05:08 |
| jdstrand | for gutsy-- yes, unless that migration script is ready | 05:08 |
| dendrobates | I see what you are saying, but I am not sure that pitti will be satisfied. | 05:10 |
| jdstrand | I don't find it particularly satisfying | 05:10 |
| jdstrand | :) | 05:10 |
| jdstrand | libnss-ldap and libpam-ldap *must* depend on ldap-client-config -- that is a given | 05:11 |
| dendrobates | I've already modied them to do that. | 05:11 |
| dendrobates | s/modied/modified/ | 05:12 |
| jdstrand | problem is, on upgrade, without a migration script, I can't see how to do a smooth upgrade, unless you just pick one to copy over | 05:13 |
| jdstrand | perhaps that is a solution for gutsy. | 05:14 |
| jdstrand | message: I have detected libnss-ldap.conf. This file is obsoleted by /etc/ldap.conf. I can copy it over for you, or you can use ldap-client-config to create a new /etc/ldap.conf" | 05:15 |
| jdstrand | that is the gist, not the actual message | 05:16 |
| dendrobates | But what about pam_ldap.conf? Which do we use? And we would also have to migrate the *.secret file if it exists. | 05:17 |
| jdstrand | if both libnss-ldap.conf and pam-ldap.conf exist (highly possible with removed but not purged packages), you are in a bind though | 05:17 |
| dendrobates | That is the dilemma. I wish we had more time to solve it, but we need to iron this out so it can get approved for gutsy. | 05:18 |
| jdstrand | why did you remove the checks for the .so files from the spec? | 05:18 |
| dendrobates | Because that is part of the migration, and I was deferring it. | 05:19 |
| jdstrand | deferring to what? | 05:20 |
| dendrobates | deferring it to gutsy+1 | 05:20 |
| jdstrand | checking for the .so solves the purge/remove discrepency | 05:20 |
| jdstrand | if .so and conf, then cp | 05:21 |
| jdstrand | if !.so and conf, ignore | 05:21 |
| jdstrand | that could be optimized... | 05:21 |
| jdstrand | if .so, then cp | 05:22 |
| jdstrand | if !.so, then ignore | 05:22 |
| jdstrand | if libnss.so and libpam.so, then prompt for manual intervention | 05:22 |
| jdstrand | (don't know if those are the actual .so filenames off-hand) | 05:22 |
| jdstrand | but you get the idea | 05:23 |
| dendrobates | I agree with all that you are saying, but I want to get it approved in the simplified way, than if we have time to do a little scope creep before gutsy, fine. | 05:23 |
| eikke | grmbl | 05:23 |
| eikke | something's doing an invalid "GET /" request (no http version etc) on a regular base to my https server, request coming from localhost going to localhost | 05:24 |
| jdstrand | I agree with you too, I just don't think it can be done in a optimal way with conffiles alone | 05:24 |
| jdstrand | because of remove vs purge | 05:24 |
| eikke | every 10 minutes or so it does 2 consecutive requests, but I got no clue what causes this, and I hate that feeling | 05:24 |
| dendrobates | we can check apt for the status of the packages. | 05:25 |
| jdstrand | in my experience (and this is esp true with ldap), many people try libpam-ldap and libnss-ldap (lots of different howtos and docs out there) | 05:25 |
| dendrobates | jdstrand: I have to meet some people for lunch. Will you be around later? | 05:26 |
| jdstrand | yes-- after lunch for me too (EST) | 05:26 |
| dendrobates | ok later then. | 05:26 |
| eikke | ah, I just set up pam/nss-ldap today :) | 05:26 |
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| lamont | ScottK: you wanna request the 2.4.5-1 sync:? | 06:11 |
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| ivoks | 'evening | 06:15 |
| mathiaz | ivoks: hi | 06:16 |
| ivoks | i suggest closing bug 37027 | 06:17 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 37027 in samba "Fails to install" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/37027 | 06:17 |
| ivoks | this must be product of some unsupported upgrade/install | 06:17 |
| ivoks | and it doesn't happen on dapper->edgy, edgy->feisty and feisty->gutsy | 06:18 |
| ivoks | even if it does happen on breezy, oh well, it isn't supported anymore :) | 06:19 |
| mathiaz | ivoks: it seems that someone was hit by the bug from dapper -> edgy | 06:20 |
| ivoks | i've tested that enviorment | 06:20 |
| ivoks | there is no sign of K09samba in /etc/rc*.d/ | 06:20 |
| ivoks | that must've been some leftover from prerelease versions | 06:21 |
| ivoks | or product of some other package | 06:21 |
| mathiaz | ivoks: hum. There is a line "samba/generate_smbpasswd doesn't exist" | 06:22 |
| mathiaz | ivoks: in the output of one apt-get install | 06:23 |
| ivoks | and that's wierd too | 06:23 |
| ivoks | cause that exsist on dapper | 06:23 |
| ivoks | and all other versions | 06:23 |
| ivoks | take a look at | 06:24 |
| ivoks | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/samba/+bug/45229/comments/1 | 06:24 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 45229 in samba "dangling symlink: /etc/rc2.d/S91samba (dup-of: 37027)" [Medium,Confirmed] | 06:24 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 37027 in samba "Fails to install" [Medium,New] | 06:24 |
| ivoks | all reported in may | 06:24 |
| ivoks | we had no stable dapper release in may | 06:24 |
| infinity | ivoks: That bug's the product of some bizarre breakage in the gnome network applet, from eons ago. | 06:26 |
| infinity | ivoks: It keeps cropping up, though, which irks me, because I swear I can't find the offending code anywhere anymore. | 06:27 |
| ivoks | i belive you, cause i did almost 100 samba installations | 06:28 |
| ivoks | i've never seen this | 06:28 |
| ivoks | looking at changelog of sama | 06:29 |
| ivoks | you did an upload on may, 17. | 06:29 |
| ivoks | all bugs were repotred 17., 18. and 19. | 06:29 |
| ivoks | all but this one, which was 2006-03-28 | 06:29 |
| ivoks | (take a look at duplicates of 37027) | 06:30 |
| ivoks | i would close it... | 06:32 |
| ivoks | we should have a resolution 'This is alien stuff' | 06:33 |
| ivoks | looking at the diff from earlier version, there isn't anything | 06:42 |
| ivoks | this isn't samba bug | 06:42 |
| ivoks | i'm sure. | 06:42 |
| ScottK | lamont: I'll take care of it. | 06:45 |
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| lamont | ScottK: thanks. | 07:01 |
| ScottK | No problem. | 07:02 |
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| ScottK | lamont: How you spend you time is your business, but in my experience trying to give Kmos help is an extremely unrewarding experience. | 07:14 |
| infinity | ScottK: But my debdiff was so CoC-friendly! | 07:18 |
| ScottK | I'm just saying. | 07:18 |
| infinity | Okay, had the changelog entry had s/\./, asshat./, it may have been better. | 07:19 |
| ScottK | I'd appreciate it if a core-dev would ack my Postfix sync bug to the archive. Bug #130214 | 07:19 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 130214 in postfix "Please sync postfix 2.4.5-1 from Debian Unstable (Main)" [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/130214 | 07:19 |
| infinity | lamont: You aprove of the sync? | 07:19 |
| lamont | infinity: yep | 07:19 |
| infinity | lamont: If so, I'll sync it right now. | 07:19 |
| lamont | it supersedes the ubuntu fixes | 07:19 |
| ScottK | Cool. | 07:19 |
| lamont | which ScottK did and I merged. | 07:20 |
| === ScottK likes seeing merged from Ubuntu in Debian debian/changelogs. | ||
| === lamont doesn't even have a -2 unreleased in his git tree yet | ||
| lamont | ScottK: debian package, in git on an ubuntu machine... it's all good. | 07:20 |
| ScottK | Even better. | 07:21 |
| ScottK | I liked that part of debian/changelog too. | 07:21 |
| lamont | there was a DD who didn't really like it, pointed out that git.debian.org exists | 07:21 |
| ScottK | And why should a DD be upset if Canonical is paying for the web space to host a Debian package? | 07:22 |
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| infinity | ScottK: Done. | 07:23 |
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| ScottK | BTW, my only solution so far to the personality we were discussing earlier is to just stay off channels he's active on. | 07:23 |
| ScottK | infinity: Cool. Thanks. | 07:23 |
| LiENUS | on a fresh LAMP install how to i use mysql? | 07:23 |
| lamont | infinity: thanks | 07:24 |
| lamont | ScottK: I refuse to let someone else determine what channels I don't visit. | 07:24 |
| infinity | lamont: Don't visit this one ever again. | 07:24 |
| infinity | (And I could totally back that up if I knew who owned it..) | 07:24 |
| lamont | :-P | 07:24 |
| ScottK | In general, I agree, but in his case he does so much damage, it gets me so upset, it's not good for me or Ubuntu. | 07:25 |
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| infinity | Oh, FFS, we never registered it. It has no owner. | 07:25 |
| lamont | infinity: fix that or I will | 07:25 |
| lamont | oh, and op me. :-0 | 07:25 |
| lamont | :-* | 07:25 |
| ScottK | I've already been way far on the wrong side of CoC for the first time since I've been here. | 07:25 |
| soren | infinity: Which channel has no owner? | 07:28 |
| soren | infinity: This one? #u-d? | 07:28 |
| infinity | Oh, wait, no, it's registered, I'm a muppet. | 07:28 |
| soren | infinity: thom owns #u-d. | 07:28 |
| soren | someone named troy owns this one. | 07:28 |
| soren | No idea who he is. | 07:28 |
| ScottK | Yes, but your a muppet that sync'ed Postfix, so I'm happy. | 07:28 |
| infinity | Yeah, I noticed. | 07:28 |
| infinity | soren: Are you contacting him? (I was about to, but don't want to flood him with messages) | 07:29 |
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| lamont | ScottK: infinity is _MY_ muppet, that makes him cool. :-) | 07:30 |
| ScottK | Heh. | 07:30 |
| ScottK | Well that's the first time I think I've gotten a new bug and fix released in the same bugmail. | 07:30 |
| infinity | soren: Getting it fixed now. | 07:31 |
| infinity | soren: I'll op you, lamont, and mathiaz when I take ownership. Deal? | 07:32 |
| infinity | Oh, and thom. Cause thom is love. Even if he's not idling here right now. | 07:32 |
| lamont | infinity: sounds good. thom is love | 07:33 |
| lamont | remember to give him hugs and beer | 07:33 |
| infinity | I always try to. | 07:33 |
| infinity | He didn't visit me when I was in London, though. :( | 07:33 |
| infinity | Some wishy-washy excuse about his wallet disagreeing with the airfare. | 07:33 |
| ScottK | Time to go file my launchpad bug of the day. | 07:35 |
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| ScottK | lamont: When you leave the LP bug numbers in the debian/changelof for a sync, even though those bugs are already fixed, LP sends Fix Release bugmail again. | 07:36 |
| ompaul | infinity, you have a pm | 07:36 |
| ScottK | Just so you know. | 07:36 |
| lamont | ScottK: kewl. :-) | 07:36 |
| infinity | ompaul: Noticed. :) | 07:36 |
| ompaul | infinity, pas de problem I'm now history ;-) | 07:37 |
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| ScottK | My theory in LP is that since it's proprietary, I can fix stuff, so the least I can do is complain a lot. | 07:37 |
| ScottK | can/can't. Oops | 07:37 |
| soren | infinity: cool. I haven't done anything about it yet. | 07:39 |
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| soren | w00t | 07:43 |
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| soren | ScottK: :) | 07:53 |
| infinity | soren: It's considered rude to idle with +o on a ChanServ-controlled channel. :) | 07:55 |
| soren | infinity: Really? But it looks so shiny! | 07:56 |
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| soren | Oh, well. | 07:57 |
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| infinity | This ain't EFnet, we'll have no cowboy ops here! | 07:58 |
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| infinity | Though I do rather like how I managed a channel takeover without a single bit of investigation on the part of the freenode staffer. | 07:59 |
| infinity | Makes me feel all warm and fuzzy. | 07:59 |
| lamont | infinity: remember, we can only use our superpowers for good. | 08:02 |
| infinity | But it's so tempting... | 08:02 |
| lamont | ln: creating symbolic link `/home/lamont/gutsy/linux-source-2.6.22-2.6.22/debian/linux-headers-2.6.22-9-hppa32/usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.22-9-hppa32/./.' to `linux-headers-2.6.22-9/.': File exists | 08:02 |
| lamont | GAH | 08:02 |
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| infinity | LAMONT IS A KERNAL NOOB LOL!!!111ONE | 08:03 |
| lamont | infinity: I'm trying to not clean the tree between builds, that's all | 08:03 |
| lamont | and the kernel build uh, stuff, isn't cooperating | 08:04 |
| infinity | Clearly, the rules file needs a "kinda-clean" target. | 08:04 |
| infinity | debian/rules tidy | 08:04 |
| lamont | binary-clean | 08:04 |
| lamont | or a -f on that ln -s... :-) | 08:04 |
| infinity | I think I'm going to phone HP and tell them that you're not l33t enough for your job. | 08:05 |
| infinity | Is there a hotline for that sort of thing? | 08:05 |
| lamont | 1 800 EAT ..... | 08:06 |
| infinity | My phone doesn't have a "." key. | 08:06 |
| infinity | Damnit. | 08:06 |
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| lamont | or was it 2?> | 08:07 |
| infinity | Actually, the 1 key 3 times is "..." Predictive text, FTW. | 08:07 |
| lamont | and a 4th time? | 08:07 |
| infinity | Another ., apparently. | 08:08 |
| infinity | But 5 in a row gives me "...:)" | 08:09 |
| infinity | Sony, you never cease to amaze and amuse. | 08:09 |
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| soren | lamont: You want to look in debian/stamps or something. | 08:13 |
| soren | lamont: If you remove the right one, the kernel build system will dtrt and only rebuild what is necessary. | 08:13 |
| infinity | soren: No, he wants to not be a muppet that rebuilds the hppa kernel 38 times a day. | 08:13 |
| soren | infinity: True that. | 08:13 |
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