| fdoving | so, i'm building glib, again. | 12:28 |
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| nixternal | having fun yet? | 12:30 |
| fdoving | this time i'm sure i'll make it work. | 12:30 |
| fdoving | (again). | 12:30 |
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| mhb | manchicken: ooh, adept offered me to resolve a problem ... and then crashed. | 12:38 |
| manchicken | Really? Got a stack trace or a use case? | 12:38 |
| mhb | manchicken: well, I'll file a bug later. | 12:40 |
| manchicken | Sweet. Thanks. | 12:40 |
| mhb | manchicken: I'm pretty busy fixing my own code (which triggered this) | 12:40 |
| manchicken | I'll take care of it when I get a chance. | 12:40 |
| mhb | manchicken: thanks! | 12:41 |
| fdoving | manchicken: know c/gtk/glib ? | 12:56 |
| manchicken | fdoving: a bit. | 12:56 |
| manchicken | What's up? | 12:56 |
| manchicken | I know C :) | 12:56 |
| manchicken | GTK and glib are just libraries :) | 12:56 |
| fdoving | http://rafb.net/p/WjMjJ474.html | 12:56 |
| fdoving | https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=294385 | 12:56 |
| ubotu | Novell bug 294385 in KDE "nspluginviewer block konqueror and takes 100% CPU" [Critical,Assigned] | 12:56 |
| fdoving | i think https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=294385#c19 is the most usefull comment. | 12:56 |
| fdoving | the rafb-paste is the function with the not-exiting loop- | 12:57 |
| fdoving | line 13-15 | 12:57 |
| fdoving | any idea why? | 12:57 |
| fdoving | it's all in the glib2.0 source package. | 12:57 |
| fdoving | in glib/gthread.c, ~ line 214 | 12:58 |
| fdoving | gutsy that is. | 12:58 |
| fdoving | i'm stuck. | 12:58 |
| fdoving | and #gtk+ on irc.gimp.org went silent after i asked about it. | 12:59 |
| manchicken | Kinda looks like you've got an iterator and not a value... | 12:59 |
| manchicken | Or something like that... | 12:59 |
| manchicken | Wait, nevermind. | 12:59 |
| manchicken | the value_location and the data pointer are at the same location. | 12:59 |
| manchicken | Sorry, I'm kinda clueless on that one.... | 01:00 |
| fdoving | yeah, me too. thanks for trying. :) | 01:00 |
| manchicken | I'd just try to watch it as it walks through the loop. | 01:01 |
| fdoving | i'll justr ty to ingore it till the novell hackers sort it out. | 01:04 |
| fdoving | nite. | 01:32 |
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| mhb | ooh, configurability | 01:50 |
| mhb | simple question: why do we have Konqueror Tabs always on? | 01:51 |
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| DaSkreech | Ha ha | 05:06 |
| DaSkreech | guys on Digg just assume that if someone mentions linux and KDE they mean Kubuntu | 05:06 |
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| nixternal | interesting...OOo works fine on my Ubuntu box, but not my Kubuntu box | 05:22 |
| DaSkreech | the only reason I put up with OOo is cause I decided I want kubuntu-desktop | 05:25 |
| DaSkreech | great will be the day we ship with Koffice | 05:25 |
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| nixternal | woohoo | 05:33 |
| DaSkreech | Do we have a set of requirements for that btw? | 05:36 |
| nixternal | http://merges.ubuntu.com/k/ | 05:43 |
| nixternal | there are a lot of Main merges yet... | 05:43 |
| nixternal | for KOffice? | 05:43 |
| nixternal | there was a spec when imbrandon presented it at UDS Mt. View | 05:44 |
| nixternal | other than that, I don't know | 05:44 |
| nixternal | I would probably guess KDE 4 and KOffice 2 possibly | 05:44 |
| nixternal | as it stands, I am not a huge fan of KOffice 1.x | 05:44 |
| ScottK | Until KOffice can deal with MS Office formats reasonably well, there's no way we'll switch. | 05:47 |
| ScottK | Hey there nixternal. | 05:50 |
| nixternal | well howdy | 05:51 |
| nixternal | how goes the east coast this evening? | 05:51 |
| ScottK | Reasonably well. | 05:52 |
| nixternal | it has finally cooled down here this evening | 05:52 |
| ScottK | I had a customer (a ~20 person company) that was giving my service a try for the last couple of weeks go from one account to 6 today. | 05:52 |
| nixternal | rock on! | 05:52 |
| ScottK | Basically all the offsite employees | 05:53 |
| nixternal | Ghostscript has been released..the new version, awaiting a core-dev :) | 05:53 |
| ScottK | He's sick and tired of having to figure out unique ISP configs for each one and then having mail get lost in spam filters because the ISP MTAs are blacklisted. | 05:53 |
| ScottK | I'm wondering about this http://www.linux-watch.com/news/NS2396922192.html | 05:54 |
| nixternal | it is looking pretty cool..I grabbed the beta to check out..I was impressed | 05:54 |
| nixternal | lets see..the last time I used Project, was probably 1998/1999 | 05:54 |
| ScottK | Can we get it packaged for Gutsy? | 05:55 |
| nixternal | yup...sabdfl will want that I am sure | 05:55 |
| nixternal | sabdfl has done some stuff when them I guess since he was intereviewed/asked about it | 05:56 |
| nixternal | I seen a planet link I think... | 05:56 |
| ScottK | I wonder who's working on it.... | 05:56 |
| nixternal | you! | 05:57 |
| nixternal | ;) | 05:57 |
| nixternal | and qt-jambi | 05:57 |
| ScottK | Well I was thinking me until I figured out it was a Java thing and I fled in terror. | 05:58 |
| nixternal | haha | 05:59 |
| nixternal | java is good stuff..it is getting better | 05:59 |
| nixternal | I just took a java class and it was rather enjoyable actually | 05:59 |
| ScottK | Yeah, but you like Vista, so I consider the source. | 05:59 |
| nixternal | I am glad I kept an open mind going into it | 05:59 |
| nixternal | how could I like something I have never used? | 06:00 |
| ScottK | Well my experience | 06:00 |
| ScottK | with java apps has been they are slow and annoying. | 06:00 |
| === ScottK was kidding about the Vista. | ||
| nixternal | no you weren't..that damn Hobbsee and crimsun | 06:01 |
| nixternal | hehe | 06:01 |
| ScottK | Of course I also bitch about LP being slow and annoying | 06:02 |
| ScottK | but that's because it is. | 06:02 |
| nixternal | lol | 06:05 |
| DaSkreech | ScottK: I know that's why we ship the Koffice Databse. It's the one that best handles Access | 06:16 |
| ScottK | That would be a good reason. | 06:17 |
| DaSkreech | That sucks :( | 06:17 |
| ScottK | ? | 06:20 |
| DaSkreech | choosing open source software not based on features but how well it can open some propietary file made a few years ago | 06:21 |
| DaSkreech | nixternal: Doesn't Gnome already have a Project ... ermm umm Project? | 06:21 |
| nixternal | I have no clue...what is Gnome? | 06:21 |
| nixternal | we don't ship kexi anymore | 06:22 |
| DaSkreech | Wouldn't know I installed the whole Koffice suite and use it | 06:22 |
| nixternal | hehe | 06:22 |
| nixternal | all you have under office in gutsy is Kontact and the OOo stuff | 06:22 |
| nixternal | they finally have OOo Draw in there | 06:22 |
| ScottK | Well ALL of my customers use MS Office and we e-mail stuff back and forth. | 06:23 |
| ScottK | Office file format compatibility is 100% essential for me. | 06:23 |
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| DaSkreech | fdoving: Ping | 06:47 |
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| mhb | good afternoon to all | 12:41 |
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| Riddell | hi mhb | 01:51 |
| Hobbsee | hiya Riddell | 01:51 |
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| Riddell | g'day sheila | 01:51 |
| Riddell | ooh, kde4base built on feisty | 01:52 |
| Riddell | anyone want to test it out? | 01:52 |
| nosrednaekim | I would love too.... but I can't DL it. | 01:53 |
| Riddell | nosrednaekim: why not? | 01:53 |
| nosrednaekim | dial-up. | 01:54 |
| nosrednaekim | I'll get it monday or tuesday though and test it out. | 01:54 |
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| Riddell | waa, not working in my chroot | 02:21 |
| nosrednaekim | last time I tried updateing KDE4, kdelibs5 wouldn't even install | 02:40 |
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| apachelogger | nixternal: -(~/devel/deb/alpha/amarok2:$)-> ./snap_amarok2.rb | 03:21 |
| apachelogger | ^_^ | 03:21 |
| nixternal | ooh | 03:21 |
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| Pali | hi, i have a problem with my webcam | 03:50 |
| mhb | Pali: #kubuntu or #ubuntu is the place to ask | 03:51 |
| Pali | ok | 03:51 |
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| lnxkde | I am downloading KDE4 beta 1 now :) | 04:07 |
| Riddell | lnxkde: feisty or gutsy? | 04:09 |
| lnxkde | feisty | 04:09 |
| lnxkde | should I try in gusty? | 04:09 |
| lnxkde | gusty with kde4? | 04:09 |
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| nixternal | Riddell: on the Kubuntu Keyboard spec, can you briefly explain "macros" and "one button key selection" so I can communicate it back to the kvkbd dev? | 04:11 |
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| Riddell | nixternal: try onboard | 04:12 |
| Riddell | macros let you do series of key sequences with one key | 04:12 |
| nixternal | he has an updated app with the resizing issue taken care of as well as the numeric pad layer functions | 04:12 |
| nixternal | ahhh, OK | 04:12 |
| nixternal | so the macros and the one button key selection go together then | 04:12 |
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| Hobbsee | [00:03] <HerrK> i'm just wondering, since there are kubuntu packages out there, but no debian ones... | 04:12 |
| Hobbsee | [00:04] <ana> HerrK: kubuntu has a paid person to make the packages | 04:12 |
| Hobbsee | [00:05] <HerrK> i know, but Debian has the community ;) | 04:12 |
| Riddell | one button is if you're stephen hawking and only have one way to press a button, so the keyboard has selections letters in a grid with a timed selection moving sideways then after a click downwards | 04:13 |
| Hobbsee | that really makes me shudder. | 04:13 |
| Hobbsee | and sigh | 04:13 |
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| Riddell | Hobbsee: why? | 04:14 |
| nixternal | Hobbsee: hahah, ana said "you are the community" hahahahaha | 04:14 |
| nosrednaekim | Riddell: question, I was looking through the listing for KDE4 and I see that package kde4libs it still at 3.80. is that no longer a dependency of KDE4? | 04:16 |
| Riddell | nosrednaekim: it's kdelibs5 now | 04:17 |
| nosrednaekim | ah ok. | 04:17 |
| nosrednaekim | I guess since it got renamed, synaptic still shows the old kde4libs. Thanks. | 04:18 |
| lnxkde | guys with this beta of kde will gusty be able to ship with kde4? | 04:19 |
| Riddell | there will be a kde 4 CD | 04:19 |
| lnxkde | nice :) | 04:19 |
| lnxkde | now I am starting to cry | 04:19 |
| Riddell | why? | 04:19 |
| lnxkde | because Is the most important thing I have been waiting for the last 6 months | 04:20 |
| lnxkde | na just kidding | 04:20 |
| nixternal | haha, you aren't kidding..you really are crying :) | 04:20 |
| lnxkde | :p | 04:21 |
| nixternal | tears of joy! | 04:21 |
| Riddell | lnxkde: have you got it working? | 04:21 |
| lnxkde | Riddell, kde4? | 04:21 |
| Riddell | yes | 04:21 |
| lnxkde | downloading it at 200k at sec right now | 04:21 |
| Riddell | ok | 04:22 |
| lnxkde | IK moved from cable to dsl in my home and my dsl modem havent gotten home yet so I have to download my things at work .... | 04:22 |
| lnxkde | 2 weeks without Internet at home is like hell there.... | 04:22 |
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| nixternal | ryanakca: did we approve your vacation request? :D | 04:25 |
| ryanakca | nixternal: nah | 04:25 |
| nixternal | then you don't get to go on vacation! | 04:26 |
| nixternal | now get back to hackin' :) | 04:26 |
| ryanakca | hehe | 04:26 |
| nixternal | OK, you can go camping, but our only request is this....we want a great picture with something Kubuntu or KDE in it | 04:26 |
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| ryanakca | Eh, sure :) | 04:26 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: that they view that kubuntu doesnt have a community - that it's an either/or | 04:27 |
| nixternal | we need a good environmental picture for upcoming releases | 04:27 |
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| nixternal | Hobbsee: I think Kubuntu actually has a larger KDE community than Debian...or am I not seeing the bigger picture? | 04:27 |
| nosrednaekim | where do they say Kubuntu doesn't have a comunity? | 04:27 |
| Hobbsee | nixternal: it probably does. j ust ana's attitude | 04:27 |
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| Hobbsee | nosrednaekim: they infer it | 04:27 |
| nixternal | have fun ryanakca | 04:27 |
| nixternal | be safe, and watch out for Bears | 04:27 |
| lnxkde | lets kick ana's )(&^$#)(^$# | 04:27 |
| nixternal | the Chicago Bears | 04:28 |
| ryanakca | nixternal: cheers :D | 04:28 |
| toma | Hobbsee: that's the reason i'm not there much anymore | 04:28 |
| nosrednaekim | where? | 04:28 |
| Hobbsee | toma: ah, right. | 04:28 |
| nixternal | another thing that HerrK doesn't realise, he is using KVirc in Debian, and it hasn't had the security patches installed yet either :) | 04:34 |
| nixternal | jeesh, I love when authors don't do the make -f Makefile.* to create configure | 04:35 |
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| lnxkde | KDE4 here | 05:05 |
| nixternal | and, how do you like it? | 05:05 |
| === nixternal needs to hurry up and update his SVN checkout already | ||
| lnxkde | nice so far | 05:06 |
| lnxkde | need the theme | 05:07 |
| lnxkde | needs* | 05:07 |
| lnxkde | look like I can live here exept for the lack of the system tray | 05:09 |
| Riddell | sigh, I don't know if he tested feisty | 05:25 |
| nixternal | Riddell: he said feisty quite a few lines up when you first questioned him | 05:28 |
| Riddell | oh, did I miss that? | 05:39 |
| Riddell | so he did | 05:39 |
| Riddell | groovy, lets put this thing on the front page then | 05:39 |
| === ..[topic/#kubuntu-devel:mhb] : Welcome to #kubuntu-devel | Merge! http://merges.ubuntu.com | Bugs! https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-team/+packagebugs | KDE 4.0 beta 1 -- http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-beta1.php | ||
| fdoving | hi all. | 05:53 |
| fdoving | congrats to the buildds on the kde4 compile :) | 05:54 |
| fdoving | and buhu to automatix after mjg59s quick review. | 05:57 |
| nixternal | hehe | 06:01 |
| ScottK | I'm glad he did the review. I looked at the source and if anything he was kind. | 06:02 |
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| fdoving | nixternal: if you're interessted in what change in glib made nspluginviewer stop working, it's this: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=65041 | 06:33 |
| fdoving | FYI. | 06:33 |
| ubotu | Gnome bug 65041 in gobject "_get_type() functions aren't thread safe" [Normal,Resolved: fixed] | 06:33 |
| nixternal | good find! | 06:34 |
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| nixternal | new kvkbd (0.4) uploaded | 07:05 |
| nixternal | numpad layer added and now resizable | 07:06 |
| apachelogger | nixternal: I just need to port the docbook fechting from old amarok release script and then I can start packaging :D | 07:36 |
| apachelogger | translations are already properly fetched and included into cmakelists | 07:36 |
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| nosrednaekim | heh, guys, with your help, i'll beat my gentooized brother to having amarok. :) | 07:37 |
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| apachelogger | nosrednaekim: hm... how is that supposed to work out? | 07:57 |
| nosrednaekim | oh, I thought you guys were working on packaging amarok 2.0 | 07:57 |
| apachelogger | well, yes | 07:58 |
| apachelogger | uhm | 07:58 |
| apachelogger | oh | 07:58 |
| apachelogger | indeed | 07:58 |
| apachelogger | we have an advantage over gentoo... diego (their maintainer) is not going to release an amarok snapshot unless I provide an official tarball ^_^ | 07:59 |
| nosrednaekim | haha | 07:59 |
| nixternal | apachelogger: ouch! so you can pwn genwho if you want ey? :) | 08:08 |
| apachelogger | it's an advantage to be the release dictator ;-) | 08:09 |
| apachelogger | ah | 08:09 |
| apachelogger | nixternal: actually screw the docs, KDE doesn't know how to manage them in 4.x yet | 08:09 |
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| nixternal | hey, watch what you are saying about the docs :) | 08:10 |
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| nixternal | muhahah | 08:11 |
| nixternal | actually, that wouldn't be as fun, maybe I will link it to Media Player Help at MS.DOH | 08:11 |
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| lnxkde | :s | 09:20 |
| DaSkreech | :-| | 09:26 |
| fdoving | DaSkreech: you pinged some hours ago? | 09:27 |
| DaSkreech | fdoving: Yeah I was just thinking about that :) | 09:28 |
| DaSkreech | compile finished? :-) | 09:28 |
| fdoving | nah, failed. and i didn't investigate. | 09:29 |
| DaSkreech | Dag nab it | 09:29 |
| lnxkde | DaSkreech: sup | 09:30 |
| DaSkreech | lnxkde: Me finally | 09:30 |
| lnxkde | ? | 09:32 |
| lnxkde | DaSkreech: ?? finally what? | 09:32 |
| DaSkreech | Is up :-) | 09:32 |
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| stdin | Riddell: is network-manager-kde supposed to replace knetworkmanager (in kubuntu-desktop)? | 09:34 |
| lnxkde | DaSkreech: lol | 09:35 |
| Riddell | stdin: it's the same thing, tonio swapped round the package names | 09:36 |
| Riddell | so yes, it should have a replaces | 09:36 |
| stdin | aptitude and apt don't want to remove knetworkmanager in favour or it tho | 09:37 |
| ScottK | Riddell: Would you have a moment for a spot of archive admin work? | 09:46 |
| ScottK | lighttpd 1.4.11-3ubuntu3.2 has been a pending SRU for a very long time and it's just got it's 2nd upcheck. We've got a pending security update we're working for lighttpd and if we could get this pubilshed, we'd only have to do 3, not 4 versions.... | 09:47 |
| Riddell | ScottK: bug number? | 09:47 |
| ScottK | Bug #68401 | 09:48 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 68401 in lighttpd "Cannot remove the lighttpd pkg from Edgy Eft" [Medium,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/68401 | 09:48 |
| ScottK | Sorry I forgot that. | 09:48 |
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| fabo | Riddell: do you see any rationale for splitting kde4 plugin for designer ? | 09:51 |
| fabo | in another package, indeed ;) | 09:51 |
| Riddell | not really | 09:55 |
| Riddell | ScottK: but with you shortly | 09:55 |
| ScottK | Thanks. | 09:55 |
| Riddell | s/but/be/ | 09:56 |
| ScottK | I guessed. | 09:57 |
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| Riddell | ScottK: ok, so what do you want me to do? | 10:05 |
| ScottK | Publish the SRU now that we have two upchecks. | 10:05 |
| ScottK | to dapper-updates | 10:05 |
| Riddell | hmm, I wonder how I do that | 10:05 |
| ScottK | I understand there's some magic ability to copy stuff from *-proposed to *-updates, but I've no idea how one does it. | 10:06 |
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| Riddell | doesn't seem to be documented and nobody is awake to tell me | 10:09 |
| Riddell | ScottK: please upload to -updates and give me the debdiff between -proposed and -updates | 10:09 |
| Riddell | just add a new changelog entry | 10:09 |
| Riddell | I should be able to let it through | 10:09 |
| ScottK | OK. I'll do that. | 10:10 |
| ScottK | It's been quite a while since I built anything for dapper, so it'll take me a bit to update my pbuilder. | 10:13 |
| Riddell | ScottK: it shouldn't need to be run through pbuilder, just make sure the debdiff has no changes except changelog | 10:14 |
| Riddell | although it wouldn't hurt | 10:14 |
| ScottK | There've been a number of dapper updates since that SRU was built, so I'd feel better test building it first. | 10:16 |
| ScottK | Riddell: Uploaded and the debdiff is in the bug. | 10:33 |
| ScottK | Bug #68401 | 10:33 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 68401 in lighttpd "Cannot remove the lighttpd pkg from Edgy Eft" [Medium,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/68401 | 10:33 |
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| Riddell | ScottK: accepted | 10:42 |
| ScottK | Cool. Riddell: Thanks. | 10:45 |
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| LaserJock | has anybody tried kde4edu yet? | 11:17 |
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| nixternal | for edubuntu or in general? | 11:19 |
| LaserJock | in general | 11:22 |
| nixternal | ya, my daughter uses it | 11:22 |
| LaserJock | I was thinking of giving it a whirl, it'll be important for Edubuntu in the future I imagine ;-) | 11:23 |
| nixternal | it is pretty good...there are some decent apps there that my x says my daughter uses quite frequently | 11:23 |
| nixternal | and not imbrandon's favorite, mr. potatoe head either :) | 11:23 |
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| ScottK | LaserJock: If I report a MOTU relevant LP bug and they milestone it right away, there's no need to bug you with adding it to your list, is there? | 11:24 |
| nixternal | leaves LaserJocky alone, he is on vacation :) | 11:25 |
| ScottK | I'm finding report a bug, sit in #Launchpad and wait for it to scroll by, and then jump in on the conversation about it works pretty well. | 11:25 |
| LaserJock | ScottK: well, not particularly, but it might help me keep track. What's the number? | 11:26 |
| ScottK | Well he said he still wanted inputs on his bug list and I don't want to "bug" him with stuff he doesn't want. | 11:26 |
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| LaserJock | ScottK: don't worry I have to worry about nixternal more than you ;-) | 11:26 |
| nixternal | oh really now | 11:27 |
| LaserJock | hehe | 11:27 |
| ScottK | Bug 130220 Bug 130222 | 11:27 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 130220 in launchpad "LP marks bugs fix released multiple times and sends multiple mails when a bug number appears in more than one .changes file" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/130220 | 11:27 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 130222 in malone "Update notification mail "From" the reporter is sent when LP closes a bug from changelog." [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/130222 | 11:27 |
| ScottK | Just remember my LP motto: "Since it's not Free, the least I can do is complain a lot." | 11:27 |
| LaserJock | ScottK: heah, I have no problem with that ;-) | 11:28 |
| LaserJock | nixternal: so I was reading http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-beta1.php | 11:35 |
| LaserJock | can I put those exports in my .bashrc? | 11:35 |
| LaserJock | or will that mess up KDE3 | 11:35 |
| nixternal | it would mess up kde3 | 11:36 |
| LaserJock | alright, that's what I was kinda thinking | 11:36 |
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