[12:28] <fdoving> so, i'm building glib, again.
[12:30] <nixternal> having fun yet?
[12:30] <fdoving> this time i'm sure i'll make it work.
[12:30] <fdoving> (again).
[12:38] <mhb> manchicken: ooh, adept offered me to resolve a problem ... and then crashed.
[12:38] <manchicken> Really?  Got a stack trace or a use case?
[12:40] <mhb> manchicken: well, I'll file a bug later.
[12:40] <manchicken> Sweet.  Thanks.
[12:40] <mhb> manchicken: I'm pretty busy fixing my own code (which triggered this)
[12:40] <manchicken> I'll take care of it when I get a chance.
[12:41] <mhb> manchicken: thanks!
[12:56] <fdoving> manchicken: know c/gtk/glib ?
[12:56] <manchicken> fdoving: a bit.
[12:56] <manchicken> What's up?
[12:56] <manchicken> I know C :)
[12:56] <manchicken> GTK and glib are just libraries :)
[12:56] <fdoving> http://rafb.net/p/WjMjJ474.html
[12:56] <fdoving> https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=294385
[12:56] <ubotu> Novell bug 294385 in KDE "nspluginviewer block konqueror and takes 100% CPU" [Critical,Assigned] 
[12:56] <fdoving> i think https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=294385#c19 is the most usefull comment.
[12:57] <fdoving> the rafb-paste is the function with the not-exiting loop-
[12:57] <fdoving> line 13-15
[12:57] <fdoving> any idea why?
[12:57] <fdoving> it's all in the glib2.0 source package.
[12:58] <fdoving> in glib/gthread.c, ~ line 214
[12:58] <fdoving> gutsy that is.
[12:58] <fdoving> i'm stuck.
[12:59] <fdoving> and #gtk+ on irc.gimp.org went silent after i asked about it.
[12:59] <manchicken> Kinda looks like you've got an iterator and not a value...
[12:59] <manchicken> Or something like that...
[12:59] <manchicken> Wait, nevermind.
[12:59] <manchicken> the value_location and the data pointer are at the same location.
[01:00] <manchicken> Sorry, I'm kinda clueless on that one....
[01:00] <fdoving> yeah, me too. thanks for trying. :)
[01:01] <manchicken> I'd just try to watch it as it walks through the loop.
[01:04] <fdoving> i'll justr ty to ingore it till the novell hackers sort it out.
[01:32] <fdoving> nite.
[01:50] <mhb> ooh, configurability
[01:51] <mhb> simple question: why do we have Konqueror Tabs always on?
[05:06] <DaSkreech> Ha ha
[05:06] <DaSkreech> guys on Digg just assume that if someone mentions linux and KDE they mean Kubuntu
[05:22] <nixternal> interesting...OOo works fine on my Ubuntu box, but not my Kubuntu box
[05:25] <DaSkreech> the only reason I put up with OOo is cause I decided I want kubuntu-desktop
[05:25] <DaSkreech> great will be the day we ship with Koffice
[05:33] <nixternal> woohoo
[05:36] <DaSkreech> Do we have a set of requirements for that btw?
[05:43] <nixternal> http://merges.ubuntu.com/k/
[05:43] <nixternal> there are a lot of Main merges yet...
[05:43] <nixternal> for KOffice?
[05:44] <nixternal> there was a spec when imbrandon presented it at UDS Mt. View
[05:44] <nixternal> other than that, I don't know
[05:44] <nixternal> I would probably guess KDE 4 and KOffice 2 possibly
[05:44] <nixternal> as it stands, I am not a huge fan of KOffice 1.x
[05:47] <ScottK> Until KOffice can deal with MS Office formats reasonably well, there's no way we'll switch.
[05:50] <ScottK> Hey there nixternal.
[05:51] <nixternal> well howdy
[05:51] <nixternal> how goes the east coast this evening?
[05:52] <ScottK> Reasonably well.
[05:52] <nixternal> it has finally cooled down here this evening
[05:52] <ScottK> I had a customer (a ~20 person company) that was giving my service a try for the last couple of weeks go from one account to 6 today.
[05:52] <nixternal> rock on!
[05:53] <ScottK> Basically all the offsite employees
[05:53] <nixternal> Ghostscript has been released..the new version, awaiting a core-dev :)
[05:53] <ScottK> He's sick and tired of having to figure out unique ISP configs for each one and then having mail get lost in spam filters because the ISP MTAs are blacklisted.
[05:54] <ScottK> I'm wondering about this http://www.linux-watch.com/news/NS2396922192.html
[05:54] <nixternal> it is looking pretty cool..I grabbed the beta to check out..I was impressed
[05:54] <nixternal> lets see..the last time I used Project, was probably 1998/1999
[05:55] <ScottK> Can we get it packaged for Gutsy?
[05:55] <nixternal> yup...sabdfl will want that I am sure
[05:56] <nixternal> sabdfl has done some stuff when them I guess since he was intereviewed/asked about it
[05:56] <nixternal> I seen a planet link I think...
[05:56] <ScottK> I wonder who's working on it....
[05:57] <nixternal> you!
[05:57] <nixternal> ;)
[05:57] <nixternal> and qt-jambi
[05:58] <ScottK> Well I was thinking me until I figured out it was a Java thing and I fled in terror.
[05:59] <nixternal> haha
[05:59] <nixternal> java is good stuff..it is getting better
[05:59] <nixternal> I just took a java class and it was rather enjoyable actually
[05:59] <ScottK> Yeah, but you like Vista, so I consider the source.
[05:59] <nixternal> I am glad I kept an open mind going into it
[06:00] <nixternal> how could I like something I have never used?
[06:00] <ScottK> Well my experience
[06:00] <ScottK> with java apps has been they are slow and annoying.
[06:01] <nixternal> no you weren't..that damn Hobbsee and crimsun
[06:01] <nixternal> hehe
[06:02] <ScottK> Of course I also bitch about LP being slow and annoying
[06:02] <ScottK> but that's because it is.
[06:05] <nixternal> lol
[06:16] <DaSkreech> ScottK: I know that's why we ship the Koffice Databse. It's the one that best handles Access
[06:17] <ScottK> That would be a good reason.
[06:17] <DaSkreech> That sucks :(
[06:20] <ScottK> ?
[06:21] <DaSkreech> choosing open source software not based on features but how well it can open some propietary file made a few years ago
[06:21] <DaSkreech> nixternal: Doesn't Gnome already have a Project ... ermm umm Project?
[06:21] <nixternal> I have no clue...what is Gnome?
[06:22] <nixternal> we don't ship kexi anymore
[06:22] <DaSkreech> Wouldn't know I installed the whole Koffice suite and use it
[06:22] <nixternal> hehe
[06:22] <nixternal> all you have under office in gutsy is Kontact and the OOo stuff
[06:22] <nixternal> they finally have OOo Draw in there
[06:23] <ScottK> Well ALL of my customers use MS Office and we e-mail stuff back and forth.
[06:23] <ScottK> Office file format compatibility is 100% essential for me.
[06:47] <DaSkreech> fdoving: Ping
[12:41] <mhb> good afternoon to all
[01:51] <Riddell> hi mhb
[01:51] <Hobbsee> hiya Riddell
[01:51] <Riddell> g'day sheila
[01:52] <Riddell> ooh, kde4base built on feisty
[01:52] <Riddell> anyone want to test it out?
[01:53] <nosrednaekim> I would love too.... but I can't DL it.
[01:53] <Riddell> nosrednaekim: why not?
[01:54] <nosrednaekim> dial-up.
[01:54] <nosrednaekim> I'll get it monday or tuesday though and test it out.
[02:21] <Riddell> waa, not working in my chroot
[02:40] <nosrednaekim> last time I tried updateing KDE4, kdelibs5 wouldn't even install
[03:21] <apachelogger> nixternal: -(~/devel/deb/alpha/amarok2:$)-> ./snap_amarok2.rb
[03:21] <apachelogger> ^_^
[03:21] <nixternal> ooh
[03:50] <Pali> hi, i have a problem with my webcam
[03:51] <mhb> Pali: #kubuntu or #ubuntu is the place to ask
[03:51] <Pali> ok
[04:07] <lnxkde> I am downloading KDE4 beta 1 now :)
[04:09] <Riddell> lnxkde: feisty or gutsy?
[04:09] <lnxkde> feisty
[04:09] <lnxkde> should I try in gusty?
[04:09] <lnxkde> gusty with kde4?
[04:11] <nixternal> Riddell: on the Kubuntu Keyboard spec, can you briefly explain "macros" and "one button key selection" so I can communicate it back to the kvkbd dev?
[04:12] <Riddell> nixternal: try onboard
[04:12] <Riddell> macros let you do series of key sequences with one key
[04:12] <nixternal> he has an updated app with the resizing issue taken care of as well as the numeric pad layer functions
[04:12] <nixternal> ahhh, OK
[04:12] <nixternal> so the macros and the one button key selection go together then
[04:12] <Hobbsee> [00:03]  <HerrK> i'm just wondering, since there are kubuntu packages out there, but no debian ones...
[04:12] <Hobbsee> [00:04]  <ana> HerrK: kubuntu has a paid person to make the packages
[04:12] <Hobbsee> [00:05]  <HerrK> i know, but Debian has the community ;)
[04:13] <Riddell> one button is if you're stephen hawking and only have one way to press a button, so the keyboard has selections letters in a grid with a timed selection moving sideways then after a click downwards
[04:13] <Hobbsee> that really makes me shudder.
[04:13] <Hobbsee> and sigh
[04:14] <Riddell> Hobbsee: why?
[04:14] <nixternal> Hobbsee: hahah, ana said "you are the community" hahahahaha
[04:16] <nosrednaekim> Riddell: question, I was looking through the listing for KDE4 and I see that package kde4libs it still at 3.80. is that no longer a dependency of KDE4?
[04:17] <Riddell> nosrednaekim: it's kdelibs5 now
[04:17] <nosrednaekim> ah ok.
[04:18] <nosrednaekim> I guess since it got renamed, synaptic still shows the old kde4libs. Thanks.
[04:19] <lnxkde> guys with this beta of kde will gusty be able to ship with kde4?
[04:19] <Riddell> there will be a kde 4 CD
[04:19] <lnxkde> nice :)
[04:19] <lnxkde> now I am starting to cry
[04:19] <Riddell> why?
[04:20] <lnxkde> because Is the most important thing I have been waiting for the last 6 months
[04:20] <lnxkde> na just kidding
[04:20] <nixternal> haha, you aren't kidding..you really are crying :)
[04:21] <lnxkde> :p
[04:21] <nixternal> tears of joy!
[04:21] <Riddell> lnxkde: have you got it working?
[04:21] <lnxkde> Riddell, kde4?
[04:21] <Riddell> yes
[04:21] <lnxkde> downloading it at 200k at sec right now
[04:22] <Riddell> ok
[04:22] <lnxkde> IK moved from cable to dsl in my home and my dsl modem havent gotten home yet so I have to download my things at work ....
[04:22] <lnxkde> 2 weeks without Internet at home is like hell there....
[04:25] <nixternal> ryanakca: did we approve your vacation request? :D
[04:25] <ryanakca> nixternal: nah
[04:26] <nixternal> then you don't get to go on vacation!
[04:26] <nixternal> now get back to hackin' :)
[04:26] <ryanakca> hehe
[04:26] <nixternal> OK, you can go camping, but our only request is this....we want a great picture with something Kubuntu or KDE in it
[04:26] <ryanakca> Eh, sure :)
[04:27] <Hobbsee> Riddell: that they view that kubuntu doesnt have a community - that it's an either/or
[04:27] <nixternal> we need a good environmental picture for upcoming releases
[04:27] <nixternal> Hobbsee: I think Kubuntu actually has a larger KDE community than Debian...or am I not seeing the bigger picture?
[04:27] <nosrednaekim> where do they say Kubuntu doesn't have a comunity?
[04:27] <Hobbsee> nixternal: it probably does. j ust ana's attitude
[04:27] <Hobbsee> nosrednaekim: they infer it
[04:27] <nixternal> have fun ryanakca
[04:27] <nixternal> be safe, and watch out for Bears
[04:27] <lnxkde> lets kick ana's  )(&^$#)(^$#
[04:28] <nixternal> the Chicago Bears
[04:28] <ryanakca> nixternal: cheers :D
[04:28] <toma> Hobbsee: that's the reason i'm not there much anymore
[04:28] <nosrednaekim> where?
[04:28] <Hobbsee> toma: ah, right.
[04:34] <nixternal> another thing that HerrK doesn't realise, he is using KVirc in Debian, and it hasn't had the security patches installed yet either :)
[04:35] <nixternal> jeesh, I love when authors don't do the make -f Makefile.* to create configure
[05:05] <lnxkde> KDE4 here
[05:05] <nixternal> and, how do you like it?
[05:06] <lnxkde> nice so far
[05:07] <lnxkde> need the theme
[05:07] <lnxkde> needs*
[05:09] <lnxkde> look like I can live here exept for the lack of the system tray
[05:25] <Riddell> sigh, I don't know if he tested feisty
[05:28] <nixternal> Riddell: he said feisty quite a few lines up when you first questioned him
[05:39] <Riddell> oh, did I miss that?
[05:39] <Riddell> so he did
[05:39] <Riddell> groovy, lets put this thing on the front page then
[05:53] <fdoving> hi all.
[05:54] <fdoving> congrats to the buildds on the kde4 compile :)
[05:57] <fdoving> and buhu to automatix after mjg59s quick review.
[06:01] <nixternal> hehe
[06:02] <ScottK> I'm glad he did the review.  I looked at the source and if anything he was kind.
[06:33] <fdoving> nixternal: if you're interessted in what change in glib made nspluginviewer stop working, it's this: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=65041
[06:33] <fdoving> FYI.
[06:33] <ubotu> Gnome bug 65041 in gobject "_get_type() functions aren't thread safe" [Normal,Resolved: fixed] 
[06:34] <nixternal> good find!
[07:05] <nixternal> new kvkbd (0.4) uploaded
[07:06] <nixternal> numpad layer added and now resizable
[07:36] <apachelogger> nixternal: I just need to port the docbook fechting from old amarok release script and then I can start packaging :D
[07:36] <apachelogger> translations are already properly fetched and included into cmakelists
[07:37] <nosrednaekim> heh, guys, with your help, i'll beat my gentooized brother to having amarok. :)
[07:57] <apachelogger> nosrednaekim: hm... how is that supposed to work out?
[07:57] <nosrednaekim> oh, I  thought you guys were working on packaging amarok 2.0
[07:58] <apachelogger> well, yes
[07:58] <apachelogger> uhm
[07:58] <apachelogger> oh
[07:58] <apachelogger> indeed
[07:59] <apachelogger> we have an advantage over gentoo... diego (their maintainer) is not going to release an amarok snapshot unless I provide an official tarball ^_^
[07:59] <nosrednaekim> haha
[08:08] <nixternal> apachelogger: ouch! so you can pwn genwho if you want ey? :)
[08:09] <apachelogger> it's an advantage to be the release dictator ;-)
[08:09] <apachelogger> ah
[08:09] <apachelogger> nixternal: actually screw the docs, KDE doesn't know how to manage them in 4.x yet
[08:10] <nixternal> hey, watch what you are saying about the docs :)
[08:11] <nixternal> muhahah
[08:11] <nixternal> actually, that wouldn't be as fun, maybe I will link it to Media Player Help at MS.DOH
[09:20] <lnxkde> :s
[09:26] <DaSkreech> :-|
[09:27] <fdoving> DaSkreech: you pinged some hours ago?
[09:28] <DaSkreech> fdoving: Yeah I was just  thinking about that :)
[09:28] <DaSkreech> compile finished? :-)
[09:29] <fdoving> nah, failed. and i didn't investigate.
[09:29] <DaSkreech> Dag nab it
[09:30] <lnxkde> DaSkreech: sup
[09:30] <DaSkreech> lnxkde: Me finally
[09:32] <lnxkde> ?
[09:32] <lnxkde> DaSkreech: ?? finally what?
[09:32] <DaSkreech> Is up :-)
[09:34] <stdin> Riddell: is network-manager-kde supposed to replace knetworkmanager (in kubuntu-desktop)?
[09:35] <lnxkde> DaSkreech: lol
[09:36] <Riddell> stdin: it's the same thing, tonio swapped round the package names
[09:36] <Riddell> so yes, it should have a replaces
[09:37] <stdin> aptitude and apt don't want to remove knetworkmanager in favour or it tho
[09:46] <ScottK> Riddell: Would you have a moment for a spot of archive admin work?
[09:47] <ScottK> lighttpd 1.4.11-3ubuntu3.2 has been a pending SRU for a very long time and it's just got it's 2nd upcheck.  We've got a pending security update we're working for lighttpd and if we could get this pubilshed, we'd only have to do 3, not 4 versions....
[09:47] <Riddell> ScottK: bug number?
[09:48] <ScottK> Bug #68401
[09:48] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 68401 in lighttpd "Cannot remove the lighttpd pkg from Edgy Eft" [Medium,Fix committed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/68401
[09:48] <ScottK> Sorry I forgot that.
[09:51] <fabo> Riddell: do you see any rationale for splitting kde4 plugin for designer ?
[09:51] <fabo> in another package, indeed ;)
[09:55] <Riddell> not really
[09:55] <Riddell> ScottK: but with you shortly
[09:55] <ScottK> Thanks.
[09:56] <Riddell> s/but/be/
[09:57] <ScottK> I guessed.
[10:05] <Riddell> ScottK: ok, so what do you want me to do?
[10:05] <ScottK> Publish the SRU now that we have two upchecks.
[10:05] <ScottK> to dapper-updates
[10:05] <Riddell> hmm, I wonder how I do that
[10:06] <ScottK> I understand there's some magic ability to copy stuff from *-proposed to *-updates, but I've no idea how one does it.
[10:09] <Riddell> doesn't seem to be documented and nobody is awake to tell me
[10:09] <Riddell> ScottK: please upload to -updates and give me the debdiff between -proposed and -updates
[10:09] <Riddell> just add a new changelog entry
[10:09] <Riddell> I should be able to let it through
[10:10] <ScottK> OK.  I'll do that.
[10:13] <ScottK> It's been quite a while since I built anything for dapper, so it'll take me a bit to update my pbuilder.
[10:14] <Riddell> ScottK: it shouldn't need to be run through pbuilder, just make sure the debdiff has no changes except changelog
[10:14] <Riddell> although it wouldn't hurt
[10:16] <ScottK> There've been a number of dapper updates since that SRU was built, so I'd feel better test building it first.
[10:33] <ScottK> Riddell: Uploaded and the debdiff is in the bug.
[10:33] <ScottK> Bug #68401
[10:33] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 68401 in lighttpd "Cannot remove the lighttpd pkg from Edgy Eft" [Medium,Fix committed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/68401
[10:42] <Riddell> ScottK: accepted
[10:45] <ScottK> Cool.  Riddell: Thanks.
[11:17] <LaserJock> has anybody tried kde4edu yet?
[11:19] <nixternal> for edubuntu or in general?
[11:22] <LaserJock> in general
[11:22] <nixternal> ya, my daughter uses it
[11:23] <LaserJock> I was thinking of giving it a whirl, it'll be important for Edubuntu in the future I imagine ;-)
[11:23] <nixternal> it is pretty good...there are some decent apps there that my x says my daughter uses quite frequently
[11:23] <nixternal> and not imbrandon's favorite, mr. potatoe head either :)
[11:24] <ScottK> LaserJock: If I report a MOTU relevant LP bug and they milestone it right away, there's no need to bug you with adding it to your list, is there?
[11:25] <nixternal> leaves LaserJocky alone, he is on vacation :)
[11:25] <ScottK> I'm finding report a bug, sit in #Launchpad and wait for it to scroll by, and then jump in on the conversation about it works pretty well.
[11:26] <LaserJock> ScottK: well, not particularly, but it might help me keep track. What's the number?
[11:26] <ScottK> Well he said he still wanted inputs on his bug list and I don't want to "bug" him with stuff he doesn't want.
[11:26] <LaserJock> ScottK: don't worry I have to worry about nixternal more than you ;-)
[11:27] <nixternal> oh really now
[11:27] <LaserJock> hehe
[11:27] <ScottK> Bug 130220 Bug 130222
[11:27] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 130220 in launchpad "LP marks bugs fix released multiple times and sends multiple mails when a bug number appears in more than one .changes file" [High,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/130220
[11:27] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 130222 in malone "Update notification mail "From" the reporter is sent when LP closes a bug from changelog." [High,Triaged]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/130222
[11:27] <ScottK> Just remember my LP motto: "Since it's not Free, the least I can do is complain a lot."
[11:28] <LaserJock> ScottK: heah, I have no problem with that ;-)
[11:35] <LaserJock> nixternal: so I was reading http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-beta1.php
[11:35] <LaserJock> can I put those exports in my .bashrc?
[11:35] <LaserJock> or will that mess up KDE3
[11:36] <nixternal> it would mess up kde3
[11:36] <LaserJock> alright, that's what I was kinda thinking