[12:34] <auTONYmous> WOW...more common than I thought
[12:34] <auTONYmous> SOLVED: 1440x900 monitor sync frequencies locking up.
[12:34] <tehk> Did the location of web files change? I placed my drupal install in /var/www/test/drupal and try to navigate to it at 127.0.0.1/test/drupal/ and I get a  404
[12:38] <auTONYmous> ok...here's my take...if decent sync range and video card detection result in hard lockup of system during LIVECD AND FIRST INSTALL...that will definitely detract from the legions who have come to see Ubuntu as leading in the
[12:39] <auTONYmous> ...
[12:39] <auTONYmous> "Easy to setup and use" category of Linux distros
[12:40] <auTONYmous> and Mind you, I'm using a basic setup...Nvidia GeforceFX AGP card with a widescreen LCD, Viewsonic 19"
[12:41] <auTONYmous> I'm not gonna start screaming for fixes yet, but if it took ME some troubleshooting from ACPI down to just X by itself, that's gonna be hard for "newbies" to deal with.
[12:43] <auTONYmous> or am I way off base here (since you've heard it all before)
[12:45] <dalibor> hi, i'm trying to get gutsy installed to a box, but it just bangs out at the beginning to abusybox shell
[12:46] <dalibor> looking at casper.log tells me that it can't find a medium containing a live file system
[12:46] <dalibor> though it seems to fail to find a medium in all the drives it tries.
[12:46] <dalibor> any idea?
[12:46] <ffer> hum... seem to be having some problems with my network... dhcp or manually setting it up does not work in gutsy... also feisty install cd does that same, but... Feisty itself works fine...
[12:46] <ffer> ... trying here to see if anyone knows what's different before I start digging...
[01:07] <ffer> ok... it maybe the use of discover1, discover1-data .... but it does see the built on network and it does load the module for it...
[01:24] <voidmage> Is amarok broken right now?
[01:26] <hijjt> python qt is broke
[01:26] <hijjt> actually
[01:26] <hijjt> probably just awaiting an update, a few things need it
[01:26] <hijjt> amarok being one of them i believe
[01:27] <voidmage> it's annoying
[01:27] <voidmage> the last dist-upgrade removed amarok
[01:27] <voidmage> if i kill amarok, i lose it
[01:27] <voidmage> :P
[01:27] <hijjt> not as annoying as not being able to boot without all_generic_ide
[01:27] <asisak> I think fix has been committed since
[01:28] <asisak> but have not shown up in the repositories since
[01:28] <emilia> hey guys, im trying to use 2 accounts on my laptop, but when i switch users the touchpad and mouse stop working
[01:28] <emilia> if i switch back to the account i logged into first it works again
[01:31] <hijjt> emilia, which is the core pointer?
[01:32] <emilia> hijjt, sorry i dont understant
[01:32] <emilia> hijjt, the main one?
[01:33] <emilia> hijjt, there's 2, the touchpad, and the red button one
[01:33] <hijjt> in the xorg.conf there is an option for always core, is one set to that?
[01:33] <emilia> ill check
[01:34] <emilia>  Option          "CorePointer"
[01:34] <emilia>         Option          "Device"                "/dev/input/mice"
[01:34] <hijjt> does the other sendcoreevents
[01:35] <emilia> Identifier      "Synaptics Touchpad"
[01:35] <emilia>         Driver          "synaptics"
[01:35] <emilia>         Option          "SendCoreEvents"        "true"
[01:36] <hijjt> in the serverlayout section make the identifier of the /dev/input/mice one have always core
[01:37] <hijjt> and have the Synaptics Touchpad , something like InputDevice    "Synaptics TouchPad"       "SendCoreEvents"
[01:38] <hijjt> that may help... or are you using kdm or gdm
[01:38] <emilia> GDM
[01:38] <emilia> errrr gdm
[01:40] <hijjt> hmm,
[01:41] <hijjt> are you completely logging off each time
[01:41] <emilia> no, switching user
[01:41] <emilia> itll always work fine on the account i logged into first
[01:42] <emilia> the one i switch to, the touchpad and mouse buttons fail
[01:42] <hijjt> does it move around?
[01:43] <emilia> no
[01:43] <emilia> its as if its completely disabled
[01:43] <hijjt> does it work if you log out instead of quick swich
[01:44] <emilia> it will work
[01:44] <hijjt> sounds like a bug in fast user switching
[01:44] <emilia> yes
[01:44] <emilia> im using an ibm t42 if that helps
[01:44] <hijjt> do you have a usb mouse?
[01:45] <emilia> no :\
[01:45] <hijjt> is it getting any output from cat /dev/input/mice ?
[01:45] <emilia> emilia, ouuu i dont know how to check that
[01:46] <emilia> wow i typed my own name
[01:46] <emilia> hold on, ill login the other account and type that
[01:48] <emilia> hijjt, nothing, it doesnt work in the login screen
[01:48] <emilia> hijjt, and cat doesnt output anything
[01:49] <emilia> hijjt, cat outputs gibberish when i use the other pointer device though
[01:49] <hijjt> yeah, that is what it is supposed to do
[01:49] <emilia> hijjt, also desktop effects say theyre enabled in the other account but its not really on
[01:49] <hijjt> when you move the pointer it displays the mouse events
[01:52] <hijjt> the quick user switching is pretty alpha and the way it works is probably going to change, I say lookup bugs of it on launchpad.net/ubuntu and file one if it doesn't exist, give as much info as you can, include a verbose lspci and list all the symptoms
[01:53] <Kousotu> anyone haveng Xwindow issues?
[01:53] <Kousotu> I can'tget but a backround at times
[01:54] <emilia> hijjt, ok thanks for all your help!
[01:54] <hijjt> emilia, sry i couldn't be more
[01:55] <Kousotu> someone help me..
[01:56] <hijjt> Kousotu, what does the xorg log say?
[01:56] <hijjt> kde gnome?
[01:56] <Kousotu> ?
[01:56] <Kousotu> the wodow comes up blank
[01:56] <Kousotu> window*
[01:56] <hijjt> black screen?
[01:56] <hijjt> or background?
[01:56] <Kousotu> like if you end explorer in windows
[01:57] <Kousotu> god enough explination?
[01:57] <Kousotu> god*
[01:57] <Kousotu> ..
[01:57] <Kousotu> good*
[01:57] <hijjt> are you using gnome?
[01:57] <Kousotu> I think.
[01:57] <hijjt> gdm login?
[01:57] <Kousotu> I left everything at default
[01:58] <hijjt> can you run anything with alt+f2
[01:58] <Kousotu> ?
[01:58] <Kousotu> what's that do?
[01:58] <hijjt> if you hit alt+f2  i think it brings up a run dialog
[01:58] <Kousotu> hm...
[01:59] <Kousotu> I don'treally wanna reboot to check atm
[01:59] <hijjt> then you should be able to run a terminal and gnome panel
[01:59] <Kousotu> but what would I run?
[01:59] <Kousotu> I noticed the live CD wasn't acting right
[01:59] <Kousotu> it was messing up
[01:59] <hijjt> I am not really sure what the problem would be, because there have been so many updates in the past week, but i would probably do an sudo apt-get update, and sudo apt-get upgrade
[02:00] <hijjt> then sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[02:00] <Kousotu> I just downloaded the Iso like 20 mins ago
[02:00] <hijjt> true, but trust me, there are updates
[02:00] <Kousotu> lol
[02:00] <Kousotu> yea, I know
[02:01] <hijjt> it will probably correct the problem, it sounds like gnome panel is crashing or just not starting
[02:01] <hijjt> I am going to go eat so ttyl
[02:01] <Kousotu> ....
[02:01] <Kousotu> everyone leaves..
[02:01] <hijjt> sry, I'll be back
[02:02] <Kousotu> lol
[02:02] <Kousotu> you got msn or aim?
[02:11] <hijjt> still there?
[03:18] <jmg> hey all my firefox keeps locking up
[03:19] <jmg> when i go to preferences
[03:41] <eddiedean> someone asked if kde4 sessions were working?  yikes.
[03:47] <tatters> I got a strange bug /problem due to a power failure  ........at login screen if i press a key it prints out several of the same characters IE: I press n I get nnnnnnnnnnn. I thought it was a k/board problem but if I go to a terminal window it does not repeat the characters. BTW ...To log in If I press the backspace key ,then type I do not get the repeating characters nor do get repeating characters after logged in, only on the login screen
[03:48] <eddiedean> tatters, that's a gnome security feature.
[03:48] <eddiedean> is it just in the password field?
[03:48] <tatters> k,thnx excelent feature
[03:49] <tatters> any field on the login screen
[03:49] <eddiedean> oh, that's not a security feature then.
[03:49] <eddiedean> can you login?
[03:49] <eddiedean> so, you see ttttaaaattttteeeeerrrrrsssss when you try to login?
[03:49] <eddiedean> mmmm...taters....
[03:50] <tatters> yes at terminal k/board fine and at login screen if using the backspace key
[03:51] <tatters> no as soon as I press first key it repeats itself so I get tttttttttttttttt
[03:51] <eddiedean> sounds like fun.
[03:51] <tatters> yah
[03:51] <eddiedean> i bet it's something in xorg.conf, or missing from.  you can set repeat rates...
[03:52] <tatters> if I press DEL key it clears all the characters
[03:52] <tatters> I turned off key repeat in keyboard settings but it does not cross over to the login screen
[03:53] <tatters> key repeat turned off when logged in solves it temporary
[03:54] <tatters> I ran dpkg-reconfigure xorgserver-xorg  auto detect k/board stilll same
[03:54] <eddiedean> try:  sudo apt-get remove xkbset
[03:55] <eddiedean> yeah, it's not the normal keyboard layout stuff, and if you're using a generated xorg.conf, it's not gonna be there.
[03:57] <tatters> hmm I get a few lines of text with that command  I post or passtebin
[03:57] <tatters> he following packages were automatically installed and are no longer required:  tetex-base libwxgtk2.4-1 libswfdec0.3 libflac++5c2 libfame-0.9  liboggflac3 libtdb1 libpvm3 libqt4-qt3support libpostproc0d libsqlite0  librte1 libavformat0d linux-headers-2.6.20-16-generic libjasper-runtime  libdb4.3++c2 ksync transcode libqt4-sql linux-headers-2.6.20-16  libavcodec0d libmal1 secpolicy libboost-python1.33.1 kitchensyncUse 'apt-get autoremove' to remove t
[03:57] <tatters> to remove and 3 not upgraded.
[04:00] <tatters> well at least that package was not installed
[04:03] <tatters> no idea how linux works but what difference is there to how the terminal manages k/board and login screen?
[04:04] <tatters> both are responding entirly different to key inputs
[04:06] <tatters> in hell no one hears ya sceam
[04:15] <eddiedean> tatters
[04:16] <eddiedean> x manages any terminals you open in "windows".  x also handles all the output when you're in the graphical environment, mouse, keyboard, everything.
[04:16] <eddiedean> if you're in the plain console, separate programs handle the inputs.
[04:23] <siriusnova> yo yo yo
[04:23] <siriusnova> long time no see
[04:25] <voidmage> that's not good.
[04:26] <voidmage> this dist-upgrade wants to remove apt
[04:37] <captain_jackknob> voidmage, ha!  that sound like a good time
[04:40] <kousotu> question about gutsy vs. FF
[04:40] <kousotu> can the ALSA drivers for gutsy be used on F?
[04:40] <kousotu> FF*
[04:43] <ubuntu_apologist> kousotu, probably not; they're compiled for different kernels
[04:44] <kousotu> what kernal is gutsy?
[04:45] <ubuntu_apologist> uname -a
[04:45] <ubuntu_apologist> Linux monolith 2.6.22-9-generic #1 SMP Fri Aug 3 00:50:37 GMT 2007 i686 GNU/Linux
[04:45] <kousotu> gnubien> kousotu: boot gutsy, test sound, if it works install gutsy if you so choose
 gutsy won't run
 not when instaled
[04:45] <kousotu> gnubien> kousotu: ok, ubuntu's alsa package versions are too old for your soundcard; you said gutsy will not boot on your laptop?
[04:57] <kousotu> wb
[04:57] <ubuntu_apologist> ty
[04:58] <kousotu> wy
[04:58] <kousotu> ..
[04:58] <kousotu> yw*
 gnubien> kousotu: boot gutsy, test sound, if it works install gutsy if you so choose
 <kousotu> gutsy won't run
 <kousotu> not when instaled
 gnubien> kousotu: ok, ubuntu's alsa package versions are too old for your soundcard; you said gutsy will not boot on your laptop?
[04:58] <kousotu> in case you missed it
[05:01] <kousotu> I might have to re-dl the gutsy CD
[05:01] <kousotu> I think I burned it with too much speed
[05:01] <kousotu> lol
 any ideas?
[05:45] <Kousotu> where's the ISO link?
[05:46] <nixternal> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com
[05:46] <nixternal> Kousotu: #ubuntu-chicago since you are around Elmhurst somewhere..only if you are interested of course :)
[05:46] <Kousotu> ?
[05:46] <Kousotu> what "tribe"?
[05:47] <nixternal> grate the daily/current
[05:47] <nixternal> s/grate/grab
[05:47] <nixternal> or daily-live if you want the live cd
[05:47] <nixternal> sorry..I am so used to grabbing kubuntu/daily/current
[05:47] <Kousotu> lol
[05:47] <Kousotu> np
[05:47] <nixternal> whereat near elmy are you?
[05:48] <nixternal> I am out in bloominghell..there are a bunch of chicagoans around here and in the Ubuntu Chicago LoCo
[05:49] <Kousotu> I'm near Gary
[05:49] <Kousotu> lol
[05:49] <nixternal> whoa
[05:49] <Kousotu> lol
[05:49] <nixternal> wth you doing with Elmhurst ip
[05:49] <Kousotu> SBC does that
[05:49] <nixternal> jeesh, SBC/AT&T/Whatever they are now has a lot of people on that subnet
[05:50] <Kousotu> lol
[05:51] <nixternal> ahh, you are in Whiting then...you BP traitor ;p
[05:51] <nixternal> hehe
[05:52] <Kousotu> am not
[05:52] <Linux_Galore> new version of Ghostscript ( Ver 8.60) is out and now its GPLv2 http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/2919
[05:53] <nixternal> ooh
[05:53] <nixternal> !info ghostscript
[05:53] <ubotu> ghostscript: The GPL Ghostscript PostScript/PDF interpreter. In component main, is optional. Version 8.60.dfsg.6-0ubuntu1 (gutsy), package size 697 kB, installed size 3240 kB
[05:53] <nixternal> ahh, main..let me do some poking
[05:53] <Kousotu> lol
[05:53] <Kousotu> (System info) OS:Windows XP Professional, Service Pack 2 (5.1 - 2600) CPU:1-Intel , 1513MHz, 0KB Memory:Usage: 344/503MB (68.39%) Disk Capacity:C:\ (35.50GB Free, 60.55GB Total) Screen Resolution:1280x800 32bit 60Hz Network Interface:#1 (Marvell Yukon 88E8038 PCI-E Fast Ethernet Controller - Packet Scheduler Miniport (100Mb/s) 0.00MB In, 0.00MB Out) #2(Atheros AR5006X Wireless Network Adapter - Packet Scheduler Miniport (54M
[05:53] <Kousotu> lol
[05:53] <nixternal> hehe, I don't feel like doing it right now, I am lzy
[05:55] <Linux_Galore> Ktorrent still crashed when I exit and OOo seems to still have the gtk bug
[05:56] <Linux_Galore> both are reported last I looked
[05:56] <nixternal> Linux_Galore: I have the bug on a daily update machine..however I just installed Ubuntu in vbox, the latest daily..and it works
[05:56] <Linux_Galore> the good new it knetwork started working properly again
[05:56] <Linux_Galore> news*
[05:57] <nixternal> has it?
[05:57] <nixternal> knetworkmangler gave me issues on my desktop earlier
[05:57] <Linux_Galore> s/new it/news is
[05:57] <Linux_Galore> nixternal: works fine here, for a few weeks it hasnt
[05:58] <nixternal> ya, that is an odd app...it has worked like a charm on this laptop since edgy...one or two days during gutsy it was nasty for me, but manageable
[05:58] <Linux_Galore> nixternal: OOo crashing is a reported bug, still open too, its something to do with a bug in gtk libs
[05:59] <nixternal> yup..I added my Konqui/nspluginviewer/flash bug that is caused by gtk as a dupe to it
[06:00] <Linux_Galore> nixternal:  Im on Kubuntu so Im using koffice for now
[06:00] <nixternal> same here...KOffice is great, but my printer absolutely hates its settings
[06:00] <Kousotu> lol
[06:00] <nixternal> I went to use LyX & LaTeX
[06:00] <nixternal> s/use/using
[06:00] <defcon> anyone here run convertx2dvd under wine
[06:00] <nixternal> I can export it to a pdf and it prints like a charm
[06:01] <Linux_Galore> nixternal: use k <blinks> printer to refine your printer settings
[06:01] <Kousotu> wine?
[06:01] <nixternal> I haven't ever run wine..so I would be a big fat no
[06:01] <defcon> yea wine blows
[06:01] <nixternal> lol
[06:01] <nixternal> feel the love
[06:01] <Kousotu> wth is wine?
[06:01] <Kousotu> lol
[06:01] <Linux_Galore> defcon: what does it actually do ?
[06:01] <defcon> same as devede
[06:01] <defcon> but better
[06:02] <Linux_Galore> defcon: yeah but there are like 101 format converters in in Linux, try another
[06:02] <defcon> yea I should, I hate running wine
[06:02] <Linux_Galore> defcon: so what does it exactly do that your after ?
[06:03] <defcon> well its quick for me because I copy allot of dvd's and the dvd menu is already configured nicely
[06:03] <defcon> it converts/does menu/and burns
[06:03] <Linux_Galore> defcon: I just use k3b, no brainer to copy dvd's
[06:03] <Kousotu> k3b is good
[06:04] <defcon> does it make a menu
[06:04] <defcon> can I add gfx
[06:04] <defcon> c I decorate bootlegs and make the menu's look like the real deal
[06:04] <Linux_Galore> defcon: the dvd should already have a menu
[06:04] <Kousotu> hey, can you run k3b on live?
[06:04] <Linux_Galore> defcon: aaah
[06:05] <Linux_Galore> Kousotu: somes with Kubuntu as standard
[06:05] <Linux_Galore> comes*
[06:05] <Kousotu> I'm gettin gutzy
[06:05] <Kousotu> gutsy*
[06:05] <Kousotu> takes to damnlong on windows....
[06:05] <Linux_Galore> defcon: I use mandvd for all the menu crap
[06:05] <defcon> i am 100% against m$ but its unfortunate programmers are wasting there time with it
[06:06] <Linux_Galore> defcon: most dvd editors will also edit menu's
[06:07] <Kousotu> defcon: make installers for Win games on Linux, then I'll stopusing windows lol
[06:07] <Linux_Galore> I havent used wine in a while now, the more you learn about what is available the less you need it I find, about a year ago I hit the point were I hadnt used wine for months
[06:09] <defcon> Kousotu, I love games and there is plenty of new linux games that kill winbl0ws
[06:09] <defcon> http://www.linuxgames.com/
[06:09] <Linux_Galore> I found the PC is actually behind the consoles now so the "must have windows to play games" excuse doesnt work for me
[06:10] <defcon> http://rangit.com/software/top-8-linux-games-of-2007/
[06:10] <Linux_Galore> Ive got a hard core gamer as a friend and he hardly uses his PC anymore, most games are released on consoles weeks before the PC now
[06:11] <Kousotu> defcon: I doubt that
[06:11] <Linux_Galore> Im waiting for MGS4 to hit the  PS3 then I will grab one
[06:13] <Linux_Galore> the PS2 is still out selling the PS3 and XBOX (and you can still get new releases)
[06:18] <defcon> i wonder how we can get video game companies to support ubuntu
[06:19] <defcon> there should be a big movement of some kind
[06:19] <defcon> how many ppl actually use ubuntu or linux
[06:19] <voidmage> not sure how accurate this still is, but last i heard it was still easier to develop for windows
[06:19] <voidmage> standard libraries across windows versions meant you could develop a game for "windows 2000+"
[06:20] <voidmage> but with all the different versions of the libraries floating about, and depending on the distro, it could be a headache for game developers
[06:20] <voidmage> but again, i don't know how accurate that statement still is
[06:20] <defcon> sounds right
[06:20] <defcon> ;] 
[06:20] <defcon> why cant these libraries be used in *nix
[06:21] <voidmage> because some of them are proprietary libraries owned by microsoft
[06:21] <voidmage> *coughcoughdirectxcough*
[06:23] <defcon> thats so fuqing lame, can can they be sued for monopolizing
[06:26] <voidmage> read the sherman antitrust act and come back to me on that
[06:42] <defcon> voidmage, yea what they are doing is illegal, how are they getting away with it
[06:43] <voidmage> because us v microsoft set a precedent
[06:43] <voidmage> that's why
[06:43] <voidmage> letting them get away with it
[06:46] <defcon> will there ever be an end to m$ u think
[06:46] <defcon> i think so
[06:47] <defcon> i hope I live to see it
[06:49] <wehttamb> how can i install gutsy
[06:50] <tulga> I need openoffice novell edition on my ubuntu box. is it available to install?
[06:51] <defcon> tulga, > www.openoffice.org
[06:51] <wehttamb> how can i upgrade 7.04 to 7.10
[06:51] <wehttamb> or do i have to do a full install?
[06:52] <tulga> defcon: I'm asking novell edition. it is very good user interface and some more supports
[06:55] <defcon> tulga, try the windows version with wine
[06:55] <defcon> try google
[06:55] <tulga> ok
[07:21] <NETWizz> Hi
[07:21] <NETWizz> How do I install Gusty?
[07:22] <Kousotu> same as the others
[07:26] <NETWizz> How do I install gusty
[07:27] <zewey> NETWizz: sudo update-manager -c -d
[07:30] <NETWizz> what does that do?
[07:31] <NETWizz> It makes gusty available
[07:45] <tulga> my window list not appearing :(
[07:45] <tulga> howto solve that?
[07:46] <tulga> "Add to panel" not working
[08:10] <dash> anybody else see audio unusualness today? :)
[08:49] <eddiedean> got a question, if anyone can help.  I've been running beryl for a while, and then I decided to upgrade to gutsy.  under feisty, beryl+3rd party glx output (like glxgears, games, etc) worked pretty well.  kinda slow because of the desktop, and I've only got an nvidia 5900
[08:49] <eddiedean> then, upgrade to gutsy, no changes to xorg.conf, and all of a sudden glx stuff crashes my working compiz desktop.
[08:50] <eddiedean> so, i helped a guy out on ubuntu-effects today, and he was able to get his 5200 working no problem with my help.
[08:50] <eddiedean> he had all the same arguments in xorg I had, but his glx stuff is working just peachy--just under feisty.
[08:51] <eddiedean> people keep telling me something's wrong in my xorg.conf, but I don't think so -- I think this is a real bug.
[08:52] <eddiedean> so i'm gonna look at the bug site again, see if I can find it.
[08:52] <eddiedean> else, i'm gonna file a bug.
[08:56] <Linux_Galore> eddiedean: 5900 running slow wouldnt suprise me, I have a 6200 card and it struggles, the only machine I have that doesnt struggle is my laptops with a 7400 setup
[09:01] <Linux_Galore> the whole GF 5*** wasnt really that fast
[09:01] <Linux_Galore> eddiedean: I found the drivers installed via the nvidia website seem to work a bit better for me
[09:01] <Linux_Galore> eddiedean: also check the ram speed on your card, some cards have better ram than others
[09:01] <Linux_Galore> eddiedean: also the chipset used can have an effect on IO video card speeds
[09:02] <eddiedean> it's not a speed thing
[09:02] <eddiedean> the speed i expect.
[09:03] <eddiedean> it's that all of a sudden, glxgears CRASHES X instantly.  gotta check the logs...
[09:03] <Linux_Galore> eddiedean: this is one of the annoying things with PC's, there are two many variables between different hardware types that can cause weirdness
[09:04] <eddiedean> yeah.  software is what's killin me; i know it's totally capable.
[09:05] <Linux_Galore> eddiedean: Ive started to use just pure intel machines ie cpu+chipset then add a nvidia card, life seems to be allot better for me now
[09:10] <Linux_Galore> eddiedean: have you tried running sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[09:11] <eddiedean> do you know what the buddhist said to the hamburger vendor?
[09:12] <Linux_Galore> ?
[09:12] <eddiedean> make me one with everything.
[09:12] <Linux_Galore> no
[09:12] <hwilde>  anybody ever have eth0 and eth1 just disappear on a reboot and never come back?
[09:12] <eddiedean> sure, when i unplugged my ethernet card.
[09:12] <Linux_Galore> hwilde: for me it came back as eth2
[09:13] <eddiedean> get it?
[09:13] <hwilde> totally gone.  pcmcia wifi card and a wired ethernet port
[09:13] <hwilde> no mention in dmesg
[09:14] <eddiedean> Linux_Galore, what does that do, besides rewrite my xorg.conf?
[09:14] <hwilde> the lights on the pcmcia card don't even blink
[09:14] <eddiedean> hwilde:  3 things.
[09:14] <hwilde> it doesn't even register pcmcia card ejected and reinserted
[09:15] <eddiedean> either the driver isn't working (not likely), the slot is bad (also not likely, but switch to a different slot if you can), or the card is dead (most likely culprit).
[09:15] <hwilde> I tried multiple cards that work on another laptop
[09:16] <Linux_Galore> eddiedean: also does a check of your hardware and allows you to define manually some aspects of the setup very easily
[09:16] <hwilde> the drivers were working and no updates were installed
[09:16] <eddiedean> Linux_Galore, ok, ok. i'll try it your way...
[09:16] <hwilde> if the pcmcia slot goes bad, that is one thing, but the wired ethernet port also simultaneously going bad?
[09:16] <eddiedean> i don't like scripts messing with my stuff
[09:16] <hwilde> it is like networking is uninstalled
[09:16] <eddiedean> hwilde, that's different.
[09:17] <hwilde> the only thing that shows up with ifconfig -a is lo
[09:17] <Linux_Galore> hwilde: sudo /etc/init.d/networking --restart
[09:17] <hwilde> Linux_Galore, eth0 no such device, eth1 no such device
[09:17] <eddiedean> Linux_Galore, yep, i concur.
[09:17] <hwilde> /etc/network/interfaces has not changed
[09:18] <Linux_Galore> hwilde: I get that too but it then decided to go with eth2
[09:18] <eddiedean> no argue!  ve have vays of making you run the initscript again!
[09:18] <hwilde> it says those devices are not found
[09:22] <jmg> okay what the hell.
[09:22] <jmg> firefox and epiphany-browser keep crashing.
[09:22] <jmg> deer park is crashing too.
[09:23] <hwilde> eddiedean, Linux_Galore, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/32458/      /etc/init.d/networking restart results are at the bottom after the bootup messages, ifconfig, dmesg
[09:26] <zewey> is anyone having random problems with the xim/scim input methods?
[09:29] <hwilde> you know your nickname is a stephen king character?
[09:31] <zewey> who, me? :P
[09:32] <eddiedean> what's that command to generate a checksum on the xorg.conf?
[09:32] <eddiedean> hwilde, umm, like, YEAH!
[09:33] <eddiedean> junkies + redemption == good reading
[09:33] <hwilde> so how could networking just disappear
[09:36] <Linux_Galore> eddiedean: md5sum filename
[09:37] <nikolam> Hello
[09:37] <Linux_Galore> eddiedean: why would you need to check a text file though
[09:38] <Linux_Galore> hwilde: from what Im seeing its a hardware issue
[09:38] <nikolam> Should I or should not turn on recommended updates on Tribe3? I recieved tons of updates afte that and tons of new bugs everywhere
[09:38] <Linux_Galore> nikolam: gutys is one huge bug
[09:38] <nikolam> Should I or should not turn on recommended updates on Tribe3?
[09:39] <hwilde> beauty is in the eye of the beholder
[09:39] <eboyjr> This may be off topic, but what does Ubuntu Gutsy look differently than feisty so far?
[09:39] <Linux_Galore> nikolam: I found tribe 3 to have fewer bugs in some respects
[09:39] <eboyjr> I'm too curious
[09:39] <RAOF> nikolam: Yes, you should.  There's absolutely no point in running an out-of-date gutsy.
[09:39] <Linux_Galore> eboyjr: not really
[09:39] <eboyjr> Linux_Galore: okay
[09:39] <Linux_Galore> eboyjr: few minor things seem to be different
[09:39] <nikolam> To 1. install tribe3 2. update it 3. face with bugs and report
[09:40] <nikolam> But If I want to ake it work for me like desktop at the same time? What do you reccomend?
[09:40] <Linux_Galore> Im actually surpised how stable it is, Ive used unstable branches of other distro's and its a nightmare
[09:40] <hwilde> as long as u keep updating that is
[09:41] <nikolam> Tribe3 IS stabe enought but after updates it is not.
[09:41] <Linux_Galore> yeah, the trick is to note any bugs to the Ubuntu guys and keep updating, I usually find things get fixed within a week sometimes a day or two
[09:42] <nikolam> Ok, so I will secrifice few weeks of my peace of mind, since I am using it anyway :)
[09:42] <eddiedean> did the nvidia-xconfig thing and the dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg thing, Linux_Galore, and no dice.  glxgears still crashes.  I think it's a gutsy thing, but I haven't been able to find anyone to confirm.
[09:42] <Linux_Galore> the up side is things have to now start getting more stable only about 8 weeks left
[09:43] <eddiedean> Linux_Galore, i noticed stability over the last few days.  much less random stuff happening.
[09:43] <Linux_Galore> eddiedean: suck it up and wait for an update heh
[09:43] <eddiedean> Linux_Galore, yah, but no bugs filed.  i'll have to look at my xorg.log
[09:43] <Linux_Galore> eddiedean: I had no amarok for a few days recently, thus no podcasts
[09:43] <nikolam> Anyway, I have to huury with reports then, since I found just to many issues.
[09:44] <Linux_Galore> more reports the quicker things get fixed
[09:44] <Linux_Galore> just keep them detailed and relevant
[09:44] <nikolam> I installed some ATI drivers (downloaded from ATI) that seems tomisbihave
[09:44] <hwilde> !ati
[09:44] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[09:45] <RAOF> nikolam: If you actually need to use your computer, don't use gutsy.  It's not guaranteed to not kill babies.
[09:45] <nikolam> Shoud I remove them from Tribe3, since they are not a Tribe3 issue?
[09:45] <eddiedean> Linux_Galore, i've been doing this a while, which is why i'm reluctant to file a bug unless I can show that it's really something software related and not just something unique to my machine.
[09:45] <nikolam> I know But i want to help
[09:46] <RAOF> nikolam: Ok.  In that case, you have to be up-to-date.
[09:46] <hwilde> if you post a bug and it is rejected then u know there is a fix for it
[09:46] <nikolam> I thought it would be too complicated to install 2 linuxes side by side on same partition, So I will stick to gutsy
[09:46] <Linux_Galore> eddiedean: well tell them at least what is happening and your hardware, you never know there may be others filing similar reports
[09:46] <eddiedean> great, nothing in xorg.0.log after "3rd button detected, disabling emulate3rdbutton"...ha!
[09:47] <Linux_Galore> eddiedean: could be in the kernel so doesnt hit the log
[09:47] <eddiedean> yeah.  i'll check dmesg
[09:48] <Linux_Galore> cant say Gutsy isnt boring heh
[09:49] <Linux_Galore> should try running Mandriva unstable... I used to get a week without X
[09:50] <Linux_Galore> although I havent had to power up my stable machine for a while because gutsy is borked
[09:52] <jussi01> hmm, this i weird, i have internet, but my knetworkmanager says im not connected....
[09:52] <jussi01> is it safe to upgrade yet?
[09:53] <Linux_Galore> jussi01: easy fix,  right click on the network icon in your tray -> options -> switch ot offline mode,  same again but on-line mode
[09:53] <Linux_Galore> to*
[09:54] <jussi01> :) thanks
[09:54] <Linux_Galore> jussi01: well that bug you have vannished on the update a few days ago
[09:54] <Linux_Galore> for me anyway
[09:55] <jussi01> oh, well ive been holding off updateing ever since it wanted to remove half my system...
[09:55] <jussi01> are the upgrades safe now? its not gonna kernel panic me if i upgrade?
[09:55] <Linux_Galore> jussi01: aaah when that happens run this command sudo aptitude update && sudo aptitude dist-upgrade
[09:56] <Linux_Galore> jussi01: basically means they have to back track and remove some things then it will put them back again but different versions
[09:57] <jussi01> ahhh, thanks, didnt know that, doesnt look like any removals today, i can just run adept updater, right??
[09:58] <Linux_Galore> jussi01: Linux/Unix is very modular so imagine one of the pieces is broken but that piece is also used by many other parts, so they have to remove the bad part and all the bits that are related to it then put another version of the borken bit back and the related parts that were removed
[09:58] <Linux_Galore> broken*
[09:59] <jussi01> ok :)
[10:00] <Linux_Galore> jussi01: bit like designing a car, got a crap gear box in the design but you will have to also remove and update the engine if you change to a better gear box
[10:00] <jussi01> hmmm, all the important stuff today :) adept, xorg, libc6
[10:02] <Linux_Galore> yeah, kernel xorg
[10:25] <jussi01> !find kdenlive
[10:25] <ubotu> Package/file kdenlive does not exist in gutsy
[10:49] <JohnFlux> Hey all
[10:49] <coNP> hey JohnFlux
[10:50] <JohnFlux> I seem to have a serious problem.  It's in feisty though
[10:50] <JohnFlux> but I wanted to tell developers
[10:50] <JohnFlux> I have a script that just brings up my network
[10:51] <JohnFlux> one of the things it does is bring up ifconfig eth0:1  and ifconfig eth0:2
[10:51] <JohnFlux> this script has suddenly started to not work
[10:51] <JohnFlux> If I add a 2 second pause before the ifconfig  bit, it works
[10:51] <JohnFlux> without the 2 second pause, ifconfig does not bring up eth0:1   and just ignores the command
[10:52] <JohnFlux> specifically i do:   ifconfig eth0:1 192.168.5.1 up
[10:53] <jussi01> !bug | JohnFlux
[10:53] <ubotu> JohnFlux: If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug report at: http://bugs.ubuntu.com/  -  Bugs in/wishes for the bots can be filed at http://launchpad.net/products/ubuntu-bots
[10:53] <JohnFlux> thanks
[10:53] <jussi01> :)
[10:56] <ubuntu> hi all
[10:57] <ubuntu> can anyone help me with a grub problem ? I installed grub-2 on gutsy,installed grub again...and now the bootloader isn't quite working
[11:23] <kousotu> quick question
[11:24] <defcon> libwnck18 is listed in the apt database but wasnt uploaded
[11:24] <defcon> who manages the apt database
[11:24] <kousotu> how do in install depenencies?
[11:24] <defcon> apt-get install "dependency name"
[11:24] <kousotu> there's like 30 of them...
[11:27] <defcon> try installing with synaptic it usually gets the dependencies
[11:27] <defcon> all at once
[11:27] <kousotu> I did
[11:27] <kousotu> the EXE still won't open...
[11:27] <defcon> what is the best way to revert back to feisty after a dist upgrade
[11:27] <defcon> can I dist downgrade
[11:27] <kousotu> not likely
[11:28] <Linux_Galore> defcon: you did see the big warning text saying "dont use this unless you have a cluestick"
[11:28] <defcon> Linux_Galore, lol
[11:29] <defcon> i can reinstall everything
[11:29] <Linux_Galore> defcon: backup home and install again
[11:29] <defcon> yea im doing that now
[11:29] <defcon> hehe
[11:29] <kousotu> lol
[11:31] <Linux_Galore> if your asking how to edit a config file in here, you shouldn't be running gutsy, its a simple test really
[11:31] <Linux_Galore> as*
[11:31] <Linux_Galore> hmm
[11:59] <pedro> hi, I install gutsy tribe 3 but when i launch the network wizard. the hardware list its empty. How can i config the wireless in the command line ?
[12:00] <pedro> i have been editing the interfaces file. But i have any result.
[12:05] <zomgi> hows gutsy getting along?
[12:05] <zomgi> looking forward to upgrade
[12:05] <zomgi> :)
[12:05] <zomgi> anybody home?
[12:07] <zomgi> oh well
[02:52] <stdin> Toma-: are you?
[02:52] <Toma-> lol
[02:53] <Toma-> it was in -offtopic sorry :D
[02:53] <stdin> heh, it's funny :p
[02:54] <ompaul> it is funny it turned up in ops
[02:54] <stdin> all requests go to -ops, that's where I saw it :p
[02:55] <Toma-> i had a funny feeling it would
[03:23] <kiba_> hello
[03:23] <kiba_> fellow tester
[03:24] <kiba_> s/tester/tests
[03:24] <kiba_> s/tester/testers*
[03:48] <ryanpg> trying to find my bug on launchpad (which I *hate*) how can I search by bug number?
[03:49] <coNP> you say bug <number>
[03:49] <coNP> e.g. bug 1
[03:49] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 1 in Ubuntu "Microsoft has a majority market share" [Critical,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/1
[03:50] <ryanpg> coNP, thanks... but you're telling me I have to log on to IRC in order to search by number?
[03:50] <coNP> no, you don't have to search
[03:50] <coNP> you only type the link https://launchpad.net/bugs/<number>
[03:50] <ryanpg> launchpad doesn't have a method of searching by bug number?
[03:51] <coNP> ryanpg: why search if the link is built up
[03:51] <ryanpg> ok, well... that's not very intuitive :/ but thanks again coNP
[03:51] <coNP> yw, ryanpg
[03:51] <coNP> (maybe there is a "search by bug number" feature I have never used)
[03:51] <ryanpg> if there is I can't find it
[03:51] <ryanpg> oh well
[03:52] <ryanpg> now if I could figure out why firefox crashes every time I try to type in a form I'll be able to annotate my bug :)
[03:53] <ryanpg> is there some way to get apport to run? It appears to be totally inconsistent. Sometimes it runs immediately after a crash, sometimes not at all, sometimes hours later.
[03:54] <ryanpg> I mean it seems like minimally one should be able to run some apport utility on a crash report file in /var/crash
[03:55] <ryanpg> ubotu bugs
[03:55] <ubotu> If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug report at: http://bugs.ubuntu.com/  -  Bugs in/wishes for the bots can be filed at http://launchpad.net/products/ubuntu-bots
[03:56] <ryanpg> ubotu reporter
[03:56] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about reporter - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:56] <ryanpg> ubotu bug reporter
[03:56] <coNP> !info apport
[03:56] <ubotu> apport: automatically generate crash reports for debugging. In component main, is optional. Version 0.94 (gutsy), package size 139 kB, installed size 440 kB
[03:57] <ryanpg> s/automatically/intermittently
[03:57] <ryanpg> heh
[03:57] <ryanpg> k, I'm off to fight the fight
[03:57] <ryanpg> thanks again coNP
[04:20] <pedro> !info networking
[04:20] <ubotu> Package networking does not exist in gutsy
[04:21] <pedro> !info /etc/network/interfaces
[04:21] <ubotu> Package etcnetworkinterfaces does not exist in gutsy
[04:21] <pedro> !info wireless
[04:21] <ubotu> Package wireless does not exist in gutsy
[04:21] <pedro> !about wireless
[04:21] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about about wireless - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:22] <pedro> !about wifi
[04:22] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about about wifi - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:23] <defendguin> lol
[04:28] <Hobbsee> pedro: man interfaces
[04:34] <pedro> i did, but i didnt find what im looking for.
[04:35] <pedro> im trying to configure the wifi via the command line.
[05:14] <finalbeta> Eek, wireless is broken and my text is way to large :)
[05:37] <kousotu> someone here?
[05:38] <Pumpernickel> !anyone
[05:38] <ubotu> A large amount of the first questions asked in this channel start with "Does anyone/anybody..."  Why not ask your next question (the real one) and find out?
[05:41] <kousotu> that's not funny...
[05:41] <kousotu> I need some help with ePSXe
[05:41] <kousotu> it won't run
[05:42] <kousotu> and on top of that JAVA isn't working
[06:03] <coNP> kousotu: what do you mean by java not working
[06:04] <kousotu> coNP: I get it, justneeded java packages
[06:04] <coNP> okay
[06:04] <kousotu> sound is stilla problem though...
[06:04] <coNP> did it work with feisty?
[06:05] <kousotu> and I can't mount my Win HD...
[06:05] <kousotu> sound, no
[06:06] <kousotu> mounting my HD, yes
[06:06] <kousotu> and I'm having issues with ePSXe..
[06:06] <kousotu> my system's a mess.
[06:06] <kousotu> lol
[06:09] <kousotu> coNP: any ideas?
[06:14] <kousotu> [11:09]  <kousotu> coNP: any ideas?
[06:27] <kriebz> wtf is ePSXe ?
[06:28] <hwilde> how could network devices eth0 and eth1 just disappear?
[06:28] <kriebz> ah, teh googles have told me
[06:28] <kriebz> hwilde: network manager says they should>
[06:28] <kriebz> ?
[06:30] <kriebz> do they show up when you run ifconfig -a ?
[06:30] <hwilde> no they are gone
[06:32] <kriebz> eew
[06:32] <kriebz> what kind of cards?
[06:34] <hwilde> eth0 is/was a realtek wired ethernet port and eth1 a pcmcia cisco card
[06:34] <hwilde> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/32509/    eth0: ERROR while getting interface flags: No such device
[06:34] <hwilde> ifconfig -a only shows loopback
[06:35] <kriebz> lspci say anything unusual?
[06:35] <hwilde> this was working fine for a week and no updates were run (it didn't even have internet access)
[06:35] <hwilde> I sorted through the .bash history and no strange commands were run
[06:35] <hwilde> I sorted through ls -alR and none of the obvious files were changed (interfaces, iftab...)
[06:36] <hwilde> they're just gone, and the hardware works, and the original image works fine
[06:36] <hwilde> so how could it change and networking be gone
[06:36] <kriebz> do you get hotplug messages when you insert the PCMCIA card?
[06:37] <hwilde> no
[06:37] <hwilde> the lights don't even blink
[06:37] <kriebz> I don't know man.  Weird
[06:37] <hwilde> the ethernet port gives a link light but it doesn't even register
[06:39] <hwilde> the weird part is it's not even gutsy it's 2.6.17-10 supposed to be stable
[06:39] <Pici> I had that problem once.
[06:39] <Pici> My laptop motherboard was shot.
[06:40] <Pici> Not to alarm you or anything ;)
[06:40] <hwilde> i can burn a copy of hte original image, put it on the same hardware, and eveyrthign works perfect as it used to
[06:40] <hwilde> and I can take this corrupted image to another set of known good hardware and it exhibits the same symptoms - no networking whatsoever
[06:41] <hwilde> I can't even get it online to try updating anything so wtf
[06:42] <kriebz> sounds like something is wrong in the bowels of linux's hardware discovery
[06:42] <kriebz> force out the modules for your cards and load them by hand
[06:42] <kriebz> maybe they'll give some hints
[06:42] <kriebz> but that's about all I know
[06:42] <george88> hwilde , you could try to boot in a liveCD (one that recognizez your networking properly), mount your root partition and chroot in that partition,and update from there :)
[06:43] <hwilde> let's say I do that, it could just happen again
[06:44] <hwilde> how can I find what changed
[06:45] <kiba_> the new kernel panic
[06:45] <kiba_> so I am running on an old version
[06:45] <kiba_> any advice?
[06:45] <hwilde> do what george88  just suggested
[06:45] <kriebz> continue running the old one?
[06:46] <hwilde> george88> hwilde , you could try to boot in a liveCD, mount your root partition and chroot in that partition,and update from there :)
[06:54] <variant> hwilde: did you check the open bugs (if any) for your network adaptor?
[06:57] <hwilde> variant, I can't really find any bugs that specifically relate.  most bugs say the hardware is recognized.
[07:00] <hwilde> any of you guys been through canonical certification?
[07:01] <donspaulding> OK, I've been using linux for 6 years and I just made the biggest rookie mistake of all time
[07:02] <donspaulding> Is there a way to "undo" the deletion of multiple files on the ext3 fs?
[07:03] <donspaulding> BTW, yes I know this is the gutsy channel, and while I am running gutsy I also know this doesn't directly relate to it.  I'm just hoping there's a guru in here
[07:08] <donspaulding> oh well, maybe next time, thanks anyway
[07:42] <hwilde> bad:  http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/32518/
[07:42] <hwilde> good:  http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/32519/
[07:43] <hwilde> you can see the boot sequence, ifconfig, ifconfig -a, iwconfig, /etc/network/interfaces, /etc/iftab/,   /etc/init.d/networking restart, lspci -v, lsmod, and dmesg
[07:43] <kousotu> [12:43]  <kousotu> how to you make terminal open in a direct folder?
[07:47] <hwilde> kousotu, your home directory is set in /etc/passwd and that is where the terminal opens
[07:48] <hwilde> kousotu, or if you just want one time use  $ gnome-terminal --working-directory [path] 
[07:50] <pvandewyngaerde> error while loading shared libraries: libmarblewidget.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[08:05] <hwilde> pvandewyngaerde, sudo updatedb;  locate libmarblewidget.so
[08:06] <pvandewyngaerde> it doesnt find it
[08:07] <hwilde> well then that is your problem
[08:07] <kousotu> what's wrong with NTFS mounting?
[08:07] <kousotu> it worked on FF but not on Gutsy
[08:08] <hwilde> !fuse | kousotu
[08:08] <ubotu> kousotu: Though it's still very unsafe, you can read about Ubuntu NTFS writing using fuse here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lkraider/NtfsFuse
[08:08] <kousotu> kousotu@demonZ:~/Documents/epsxe160lin$ ./epsxe
[08:08] <kousotu> ./epsxe: error while loading shared libraries: libgtk-1.2.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[08:08] <kousotu> kousotu@demonZ:~/Documents/epsxe160lin$
[08:10] <hwilde> kousotu, apt-get install libgtk1.2-dev
[08:12] <kousotu> kousotu@demonZ:~$ sudo ntfsmount /dev/hda1 -o umask=0007
[08:12] <kousotu> sudo: ntfsmount: command not found
[08:12] <kousotu> kousotu@demonZ:~$
[08:12] <hwilde> what makes you think that is a command
[08:12] <stdin> kousotu: you have installed ntfs-3g?
[08:13] <kousotu> idk...
[08:13] <kousotu> I know my FF mounted it without putting anything on it
[08:14] <stdin> if you just want read-only "sudo mount -t ntfs  ...."
[08:14] <hwilde> kousotu, what is the output of    lsb_release -a
[08:15] <kousotu> ?
[08:16] <pvandewyngaerde> libmarblewidget.so is not in the kde4edu pqckage
[08:16] <hwilde> !find libmarblewidget
[08:16] <kousotu> apologist!
[08:16] <kousotu> lol
[08:16] <ubuntu_apologist> heh
[08:16] <ubotu> Package/file libmarblewidget does not exist in gutsy
[08:21] <kousotu> No LSB modules are available.
[08:21] <kousotu> Distributor ID: Ubuntu
[08:21] <kousotu> Description:    Ubuntu gutsy (development branch)
[08:21] <kousotu> Release:        7.10
[08:21] <kousotu> Codename:       gutsy
[08:21] <kousotu> kousotu@demonZ:~$
[08:21] <kousotu> that waht you wanted?
[08:22] <hwilde> yeah I can't find any reference to libmarblewidget
[08:22] <kousotu> ah..
[08:23] <hwilde> does Canonical support actually exist?  Anybody ever use them?
[08:23] <stdin> thet
[08:23] <ompaul> hwilde, it does and people do
[08:23] <stdin> they do commercial support
[08:23] <hwilde> they don't even have a phone number wth
[08:23] <hwilde> I will pay them right now to fix this problem
[08:24] <ompaul> http://www.canonical.com/support/webtolead
[08:24] <ompaul> hwilde, they reply fairly fast monday to friday
[08:24] <hwilde> yeah i've been waiting awhiel now
[08:24] <stdin> pvandewyngaerde: maybe talk to Riddell ?
[08:25] <hwilde> nobody can tell me how to fix this...  bad: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/32518/   good: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/32519/    it's like hardware drivers disappeared.
[08:27] <ompaul> hwilde, are you running gutsy?
[08:28] <ubuntu_apologist> hwilde, are you still having your missing-interface issue?
[08:28] <kousotu> apologist: why won't vorbis install?
[08:28] <kousotu> the makefile is a .im and .am
[08:29] <hwilde> ubuntu_apologist, looking at the diff in the bootup sequence it seems to be all hardware drivers, which includes the network interfaces yeah
[08:30] <ubuntu_apologist> why won't vorbis install?
[08:30] <hwilde> when the bad image gets to "* Loading hardware drivers...  "  in the bootup sequence it doesn't do anything.  line 464: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/32518/
[08:30] <kousotu> yea
[08:31] <ubuntu_apologist> what do you mean, kousotu
[08:31] <kousotu> kousotu@demonZ:~/Desktop/libvorbis-1.1.2$ make
[08:31] <kousotu> make: *** No targets specified and no makefile found.  Stop.
[08:31] <kousotu> kousotu@demonZ:~/Desktop/libvorbis-1.1.2$
[08:31] <ubuntu_apologist> kousotu, you're not using the package?
[08:31] <hwilde> when the good image gets to "* Loading hardware drivers... " in the bootup sequence, it then loads all of the networking stuff etc.  line 462: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/32519/
[08:31] <ubuntu_apologist> kousotu, did you do ./configure first?
[08:32] <kousotu> there's a .deb package?
[08:32] <kousotu> I can't find one
[08:32] <ubuntu_apologist> for vorbis???  should be, for sure.
[08:32] <hwilde> !find vorbis gutsy
[08:32] <ubotu> Found: libvorbis-dev, libvorbis0a, libvorbisenc2, libvorbisfile3, python-pyvorbis (and 17 others)
[08:33] <kousotu> can you cmd-line for muti?
[08:33] <ubuntu_apologist> !info vorbis
[08:33] <ubotu> Package vorbis does not exist in gutsy
[08:33] <hwilde> !info libvorbis-dev
[08:33] <ubotu> libvorbis-dev: The Vorbis General Audio Compression Codec (development files). In component main, is optional. Version 1.2.0.dfsg-1 (gutsy), package size 443 kB, installed size 2132 kB
[08:34] <ubuntu_apologist> kousotu, try libvorbis0a
[08:34] <kousotu> sudo apt-get -libvorbis0a ?
[08:34] <kousotu> sudo apt-get libvorbis0a ?*
[08:35] <ubuntu_apologist> sudo apt-get install libvorbis0a, or use synaptic to find the package
[08:35] <hwilde> aptitude search libvorbis
[08:35] <stdin> ubuntu_apologist: just grab vorbis-tools that installed all the vorbis files/libs
[08:35] <kousotu> syn didn't find it he last 4 times...
[08:36] <ubuntu_apologist> stdin, right on, whichever.  That stuff was pulled in for me.
[08:36] <ubuntu_apologist> i'm not the one having the problem.
[08:37] <ubuntu_apologist> kousotu, sudo apt-get install vorbis-tools, like stdin said
[08:37] <kousotu> and I need libogg too
[08:37] <hwilde> you should get the ocaml libraries.   ocaml is cool
[08:38] <kiba_> that ought to keep my internet connection busy for a while
[08:38] <stdin> kousotu: do you need it to compile tools or just en/decode oggs?
[08:39] <kousotu> lol
[08:39] <kousotu> decode
[08:39] <kousotu> I'm not going to rip to linux
[08:39] <kousotu> I rip to windows
[08:40] <stdin> kousotu: all the tools should already be installed
[08:40] <hwilde> !rip | kousotu
[08:40] <ubotu> kousotu: For information about the Sound Juicer ripping application see: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CDRipping. To rip an Audio CD in KDE, put it in and then put audiocd:// in the Konqueror URL bar
[08:40] <kousotu> k
[08:40] <kousotu> but what about ogg?
[08:40] <hwilde> !ogg | kousotu
[08:40] <ubotu> kousotu: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[08:41] <kousotu> mp3 still isn't working...
[08:41] <kousotu> reboot?
[08:41] <hwilde> !mp3 | kousotu
[08:41] <ubotu> kousotu: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[08:41] <stdin> kousotu: the ogg tools will be installed, for mp3 you have to install the relevent codec
[08:41] <hwilde> hmm
[08:41] <kousotu> vorbis is MP3, isn't it?
[08:42] <kousotu> oh wait....
[08:42] <stdin> no
[08:42] <stdin> :p
[08:42] <kousotu> my alma isn't workign I don't think
[08:42] <kousotu> lol
[08:42] <databuddy> ooo yey
[08:42] <kousotu> lol
[08:42] <databuddy> i can right click and send to another desktop via title bar again
[08:42] <databuddy> :D
[08:42] <databuddy> kousotu: whats alma?
[08:42] <kousotu> sound?
[08:42] <kousotu> lol
[08:43] <kousotu> stdin: can the ogg codec thingy for sound work?
[08:43] <kousotu> I set the ogg driver
[08:44] <stdin> huwa? ogg is the container, vorbis/theora is the codec. vorbis is the audio codec, theora is the video codec
[08:44] <ubuntu_apologist> i want some oggs for breakfast
[08:46] <databuddy> oh alsa ?
[08:46] <hwilde> !alsa
[08:46] <ubotu> If you're having problems with sound, first ensure ALSA is selected, by double clicking on the volume control, then File -> Change Device (ALSA Mixer). If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=DmixPlugin - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP3
[08:47] <ubuntu_apologist> i always have fun with autodetection.  I have an onboard crappy via card, and an audigy 2.
[08:48] <ubuntu_apologist> it likes to assign the via to 0
[08:48] <kousotu> I AM using gutsy
[08:48] <kousotu> just not alma
[08:49] <stdin> what is "alma" ?
[08:50] <pvandewyngaerde> alsa ?
[08:50] <ubuntu_apologist> yeah, what is alma?  alma mater?
[08:52] <ubuntu_apologist> nickserv have a way to show all your linked cloaks?
[08:54] <kalman> I'm getting an error trying to connect to my WPA access point, running Wireless Assistant I get on console: Failed to connect to wpa_supplicant - wpa_ctrl_open: No such file or directory
[08:54] <databuddy> !alma
[08:54] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about alma - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:54] <databuddy> yea means alsa for sure
[08:54] <databuddy> !paste
[08:54] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[08:54] <databuddy> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/32529/
[08:54] <kiba_> interesting
[08:57] <hwilde> ubuntu_apologist, you can force the indexes... http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=114551  about 60% down the page  /etc/modprobe.d/sound
[08:58] <databuddy> heh like i said kiba_ alsa :P
[08:58] <databuddy> i'm sure its an easy mistake to make though
[09:20] <shirish> guys anybody having issues with upgrading apt & its brethens? seem to be broken here
[09:21] <d4rkmonkey> ?
[09:21] <d4rkmonkey> shirish, what kind of issues are you having?
[09:21] <shirish> hang on
[09:22] <zachtib> hey, are there any known problems with the gutsy tribe-3 alternate cd? it just failed on me
[09:22] <shirish> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/32530/
[09:23] <shirish> zachtib: look if there are any bugs filed about debian-installer, I know there were couple with tribe 1 or tribe 2 don't remember, don't know if it were fixed or not
[09:24] <shirish> d4rkmonkey: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/32530/
[09:24] <d4rkmonkey> shirish, hmm is your problem the Broken packages?
[09:24] <shirish> d4rkmonkey: right, that is what I said , please refer above
[09:25] <shirish> d4rkmonkey: ah, perhaps i was not clear enough, yes broken as in broken packages due to update/upgrade, known issue?
[09:25] <d4rkmonkey> shirish, Sorry, no idea about this one, I'd say just ignore it unless you have things relying on those
[09:26] <shirish> lol, I do rely on those tools quite a lot, wouldn't we :P
[09:26] <d4rkmonkey> no idea? lol
[09:27] <d4rkmonkey> did it uninstall them?
[09:28] <shirish> nope, I didn't upgrade, I quit it,  The updates are held back atm, if I do the full-upgrade then sure those things will be affected.
[09:29] <shirish> hey kiba_
[09:34] <kiba_> I written a half functioning text editor :)
[09:35] <shirish> kiba_: cool is it GTK+ based? If yes, do you intend to support .odt at any point in time?
[09:37] <shirish> kiba_: me looking for a small GTK+ or GNOME based writer, which is not bloated like openoffice.org & works with .odf documents
[09:37] <kiba_> shirish: what is .odt?
[09:37] <d4rkmonkey> open document thing...
[09:37] <kiba_> it is a text editor for programming
[09:37] <shirish> kiba_: openoffice.org documents, .odf, .odt, .odp
[09:37] <kiba_> and plus it relies on ruby
[09:37] <kiba_> and rubygame
[09:37] <kiba_> along with my own GUI library
[09:37] <shirish> ah, you mean something similar like gedit
[09:38] <kiba_> no, it will be entirely keyboard driven, pesudoterminal UI
[09:38] <kiba_> :P
[09:39] <kiba_> at any case
[09:39] <kiba_> I made a milestone
[09:39] <kiba_> in the development of kiba, the text editor
[09:40] <shirish> got some screenies to show?
[09:40] <kiba_> shirish: no
[09:40] <kiba_> if you want a screenshot, it won't be much
[09:41] <kiba_> just a black screen
[09:41] <kiba_> with some barely seen text
[09:41] <kiba_> you can't even get past line 1
[09:41] <vlowther> hm
[09:41] <vlowther> anyone  else having ant suspend/resume difficulties with 2.6.22-9?
[09:42] <vlowther> it seems to reliably kill a CPU in my system coming back from STR.
[09:42] <shirish> kiba_: lol , still cool, atleast you are tying something, we users just sit back, take updates, sometimes give feedback, very rarely do specs & expect things to work rock solid
[09:43] <kiba_> I just love to code
[09:43] <kiba_> coding a text editor a very exciting thing for me
[09:43] <shirish> kiba_: there is tons of stuff if you feel like doing, i have some ideas just need somebody who can put it into action
[09:43] <kiba_> shirish: hmm..I am a game developer
[09:43] <shirish> kiba_: for instance are you interested in blogging?
[09:44] <kiba_> shirish: I have two game development blogs
[09:44] <shirish> kiba_: oh ok cool, there was a time when i was mad about games, sadly not so much anymore
[09:44] <kiba_> I primary developed video games
[09:44] <shirish> cool
[09:45] <kiba_> shirish: developing softwares is very grueling and very slow
[09:45] <shirish> know, what i was basically going to say were about products/projects already done, just need to add some stuff on top of it.
[09:45] <kiba_> at least I released the games to the world as Free softwares even if they sucks
[09:46] <shirish> cool, btw did you look at the concept art of when glest was done & now see how cool the project is
[09:46] <kiba_> shirish: I don't get involved in other projects
[09:46] <kiba_> I like to do my own things
[09:46] <shirish> ok cool
[09:47] <kiba_> I intend to dismantle the practice of writing proprietary games
[09:48] <shirish> one of the ideas i had was to have a blogging tool, preferabbly on GNOME GTK+ which is subversion based, and one can write stuff -offline & subversion does all the headache of saving drafts & pushing them out , kinda like an automated tool.
[09:48] <kiba_> I have a lot to learn in order to find a viable business model for the type of softwares I am writing
[09:48] <kiba_> shirish: why don't you write it?
[09:50] <bazookatooth> i have a question.. i have been writing a guide for creating a kick-ass dev machine using ubuntu for the past week
[09:50] <bazookatooth> yesterday.. it broke. and i don't understand why
[09:50] <bazookatooth> compizconfig-settings-manager disappeared
[09:50] <bazookatooth> among others
[09:51] <shirish> kiba_: don't have the skills for it. Do have the idea but no coder.
[09:51] <kiba_> shirish: learn coding?
[09:51] <kiba_> start a very simple project
[09:51] <bazookatooth> softwares.
[09:52] <pvandewyngaerde> plasma analog clock renders wrong in kde beta http://pietervandewyngaerde.googlepages.com/schermafdruk1.png
[09:52] <kiba_> ideas are no good if nobody implement it
[09:52] <kiba_> I doubt that others are willing to implement it
[09:55] <stdin> pvandewyngaerde: seems to work fine here
[09:56] <pvandewyngaerde> you run with xephyr ? i run only KDE4 session
[09:56] <stdin> pvandewyngaerde: hold on, I'll start a full session
[09:56] <pvandewyngaerde> how many plasmoids do you have ?
[09:58] <stdin> pvandewyngaerde: no, works fine in a full session. with only the clock running
[09:58] <pvandewyngaerde> how many plasmoids do you have ?
[09:58] <pvandewyngaerde> stdin: 32 bit or 64 bit ? 64 bit here
[09:58] <stdin> 32bit
[09:59] <shirish> kiba_: I think I would have to start to build a logical brain with memory for that, to learn coding, concepts, a whole new birth
[09:59] <Lattyware> hey all. Trying to get the official nVidia driver working. I have an 8600GTS and 7600GS with two monitors on the 8600, and one on the 7600. Using the latest driver from the nvidia site, and I get the error 'nVidia kernel module not found', I have done it before and it's worked fine, (not on this ubuntu install), but on a Kubuntu Gutsy that's on the same system with the same xorg.conf.
[10:06] <pvandewyngaerde> stdin: how many different plasmoids  do you have in desktop toolbox ?
[10:06] <kiba_> shirish: anybody can learn programming
[10:07] <stdin> pvandewyngaerde: just the one
[10:07] <stdin> pvandewyngaerde: but I've only got the base installed
[10:08] <shirish> pvandewyngaerde:  what are plasmoids, is it game or something to do with science?
[10:08] <pvandewyngaerde> shirish: kind of widgets
[10:09] <stdin> shirish: they are kde4 applet type things :p
[10:09] <shirish> pvandewyngaerde: ah ok, cool I know widgets, kinda expensive in terms of memory & cpu cycles
[10:10] <stdin> not really, well not in kde4
[10:28] <coderx> Need help setting up Multihead for 19" wide, on AGP Nivida, and 17" on ATI
[10:30] <coderx> Multiple Monitors?
[10:31] <shirish> coderx: there is something for multihead in xorg 7.2
[10:31] <shirish> I did read a post about it long time back, did you try to see if there is anything about multi-head in the wiki at wiki.ubuntu.com
[10:32] <coderx> there is but im looking for a GUI
[10:33] <shirish> don't have access to multi-head so sorry don't know, just seen the videos & seen the chats about that but no real experience to speak about
[10:33] <coderx> Im told that there is a Screen Preferences menu some where in 7.10
[10:33] <coderx> http://techtoppicks.com/archive/ubuntu-to-get-better-dualview-support/
[10:34] <shirish> yup, X org 7.3 which is supposed to ship out with 7.10 will have lot of goodies attached to it
[10:34] <coderx> So what do i have to install to get it?
[10:34] <shirish> if you want that, that's bleeding edge, there is a mailing list on freedesktop.org for X.org , you will have to check out the sources from there & build it
[10:35] <shirish> hang on, there is also a thread about it in ubuntu-development , some guy does have a mirror
[10:35] <coderx> Ill wait till October? :(
[10:35] <coderx> will Alpha 5, have it?
[10:35] <shirish> nope, hang on, I have something for you
[10:36] <coderx> ok?
[10:37] <shirish> coderx: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=490982 use that thread, it has all the gory details, just follow the instructions, it may be stable/unstable dunno about that
[10:37] <shirish> coderx: also there is a dedicated mailing list about X.org & I think they also have a channel/room about that, but haven't been interested to know the details hence haven't checked.
[10:38] <coderx> thank you
[10:38] <shirish> coderx: yrw
[10:39] <coderx> do you know when it will be included in the alphas?
[10:39] <kousotu> I need help recompiling/configuring the zd1211rw driver
[10:46] <kousotu> I need help recompiling/configuring the zd1211rw driver
[10:49] <databuddy> !paste
[10:49] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[11:01] <kousotu> I need help recompiling/configuring the zd1211rw driver
[11:10] <ingo> hi - is Ubuntu 7.10 Tribe 2 the newest version of Gutsy Gibbon ??
[11:11] <kousotu> no
[11:11] <Stormx2> ingo: Read the topic.
[11:11] <kousotu> tribe 3 is
[11:13] <ingo> i am looking for a gui under gutsy for dual-screening, which i can eventually compile under feisty - is it possible?
[11:16] <ubuntu_apologist> meh!
[11:16] <ubuntu_apologist> ingo:  dual screening?
[11:16] <hylje> configuring x
[11:16] <hylje> for two displays
[11:16] <ubuntu_apologist> oh, i see.
[11:17] <ubuntu_apologist> will nvidia-settings do it if X is set up right?
[11:17] <ubuntu_apologist> i've got dual display, but I set it up myself in xorg.conf
[11:17] <kousotu> I need help recompiling/configuring the zd1211rw driver, anyone able to help with that?
[11:17] <kousotu> I had to go eth for now
[11:17] <kousotu> but it pissed off my brothe
[11:18] <ingo> yes - configuring x for two displays with intel integrated graphics controller - not nvidia!
[11:20] <ingo> i think in gutsy is a gui for configurating dual-screen, but not sure ...
[11:21] <finalbeta_> My text size is really, really large after the last update. I know I can change it somewhere, but where?
[11:21] <kousotu> system >prefs.
 which is the easiest way for making it manual in xorg.conf - do you know a link - my tries failed
[11:24] <kousotu> ubuntu_apologist: can you help recompiling my wifi card?
[11:24] <vlowther> heh, so I am not the only one seeing issue with resuming form suspend/hibernate with the latest kernel...
[11:24] <kousotu> vlowther: I'm not having any issues with that
[11:24] <Lunis> anyone know of any reason usb gamepads aren't working in gutsy? system log shows the system registering the device under /class/input/input8 but jscalibrator sees nothing
[11:25] <kousotu> Lunis: what controler?
[11:25] <Lunis> kousotu, just a generic ps2-style usb
[11:25] <Lunis> is there a kernel module that might not be loaded?
[11:26] <kousotu> Lunis: it doesn't have a brand?
[11:26] <Lunis> i tried a saitek, an axispad, and a game elements
[11:27] <Lunis> all were seen by the kernel but did not register under jsX
[11:27] <kousotu> hm...
[11:27] <kousotu> see if syn says anything
[11:27] <kousotu> (the updater)
[11:28] <kousotu> leavethem in, then run it
[11:28] <Lunis> says anything about...what?
[11:28] <kousotu> the pads
[11:28] <kousotu> it might have a jsX update
[11:31] <Lunis> restarting x
[11:39] <ubuntu_apologist> the buttons work, but not the axes, lunis?
[11:40] <kousotu> lunis has been gone a while
[11:40] <kousotu> lol
[11:40] <ubuntu_apologist> right, he left, i was looking for stuff.
[11:40] <ubuntu_apologist> i revise:  everything seems to be working fine.
[11:40] <kousotu> oh..
[11:41] <kousotu> eveything but my bloody wifi card....
[11:42] <kousotu> it worked on the last krnal, but the update broke it
[11:42] <ubuntu_apologist> using madwifi?
[11:42] <kousotu> no
[11:42] <kousotu> zd1211rw
[11:42] <ubuntu_apologist> ah.  my madwifi's working.
[11:42] <ubuntu_apologist> what the hell is that?
[11:42] <ubuntu_apologist> lol
[11:42] <kousotu> the modprobe
[11:42] <ingo> exists a gui for configurating dual-screen under gutsy?
[11:42] <ubuntu_apologist> what kind of card?
[11:43] <kousotu> linux has drivers. USB
[11:43] <ubuntu_apologist> ingo, no, but what kind of card ya go?  I'll give you my xorg.conf
[11:43] <ubuntu_apologist> kousotu, oh, i see.
 intel integrated graphics controller
[11:44] <ubuntu_apologist> ah.
[11:44] <ingo>  <ubuntu_apologist>: macbook
[11:45] <ubuntu_apologist> intel or ppc?
[11:45] <ingo> intel
[11:45] <ubuntu_apologist> has dual heads?  nice
[11:45] <ubuntu_apologist> probably just uses the xinerama extension, right?
[11:45] <ingo> yes i think so ...
[11:46] <kousotu> ubuntu_apologist: any ideas?
[11:46] <finalbeta_> !upgrade
[11:46] <ubotu> For upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes
[11:46] <ubuntu_apologist> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MacBook
[11:51] <ingo> thank you ubuntu_apologist - i tried it, but no luck - not the prob - i give it another try, but somewhere i read about an gui for it in gutsy ...
[11:55] <ubuntu_apologist> sorry, man
[11:55] <ubuntu_apologist> where the hell do the screenshots go?
[11:56] <kousotu> lol
[11:56] <kousotu> I know that one :)
[11:56] <kousotu> kousotu@demonZ:~/Pictures$
[11:56] <kousotu> if I'm not mistaken
[11:57] <ubuntu_apologist> negatory
[11:57] <ingo> ubuntu_apologist: what do you mean?
[11:57] <ubuntu_apologist> i'm not seeing them in ~/Pictures
[11:58] <kousotu> hm...
[11:58] <kousotu> it gives you options
[11:58] <kousotu> lol
[11:58] <ingo> which screenshots?
[11:58] <ubuntu_apologist> compiz screenies
[11:59] <ingo> oh i see
[11:59] <kousotu> hm..
[12:00] <kousotu> no idea
[12:00] <kousotu> lol
[12:00] <kousotu> any idea abot my problem?
[12:00] <kousotu> lol
[12:00] <kousotu> about*
[12:00] <mloki_> I just would like to say that gusty kick ass well done
[12:03] <vlowther> kousotu: https://launchpad.net/bugs/130425 <-- oops booting second proc during resume from STR.  Someone else reported the same glitch with resume from hibernate about 30 mins before me.
[12:03] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 130425 in linux-source-2.6.22 "oops in kernel 2.6.22-9.25-generic when resuming from ACPI S3 sleep" [Undecided,New] 
[12:04] <kousotu> vlowther: I said I didn't
[12:04] <kousotu> I never said there wasn't
[12:05] <Lattyware> To All Interested: I fixed the problem I had. Apparently you have to remove '/lib/linux-restricted-modules/.nvidia_new_installed' - which is not removed (even with purging) before the nvidia drivers will work.
[12:05] <ubuntu_apologist> lattyware:  what was the problem?
[12:07] <Lattyware> I couldn't get the nvidia drivers to install
[12:07] <Lattyware> or rather
[12:07] <Lattyware> it wouldn't load
[12:24] <ubuntu_apologist> http://omploader.org/vMWR1