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effie_jayx!lart03:31
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about lart - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi03:31
effie_jayx:O03:32
effie_jayxno lart03:32
naliotheffie_jayx: want to try for !kick ?03:32
nalioth:P03:32
effie_jayxnalioth,  I pass ;)03:32
naliotheffie_jayx: try in one of the -offtopic channels03:32
effie_jayxnalioth, nah ... I'd rather be in an elevator with a loose epileptic  monkey and a razorblade his hands...  than go explore in offtopic03:35
effie_jayx:D03:36
naliotheffie_jayx: you shouldn't talk about mneptok that way03:36
effie_jayxlol03:37
effie_jayxnalioth,  shhhh you'll wake himm...03:37
ubotuFlannel called the ops in #ubuntu03:49
naliothyes, he did03:51
ubotuPelo called the ops in #ubuntu03:57
naliothso he did03:58
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assasukassesomeone wants to test me?05:11
naliothtest you?05:11
assasukasseyup05:12
naliothwhat's the square root of 4?05:12
assasukasse205:12
naliothok, looks good to me05:12
assasukassetry to join #ubuntu and see what they wrote05:12
assasukasseto change the port to 800105:12
assasukasseand then come here to test05:12
naliothoh that test05:13
assasukasseactually ubuntu is totally desert05:13
assasukasseso what should i do05:13
naliothi'm not seeing a ban for you in #ubuntu05:14
assasukassewhen i try to go there i am redirected to #ubuntu-read-topic05:15
nalioththere is it05:15
naliothyou can join #ubuntu now, and thanks for your patience :)05:15
assasukassenalioth: thanks nalioth05:15
assasukassebye05:15
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effie_jayxlol @ test05:35
ubotuastro76 called the ops in #ubuntu05:37
effie_jayxnalioth,  can I get tested?05:38
naliothaaahhhh, nixternal the hard worker05:38
naliotheffie_jayx: can dogs see in color?05:39
nixternalmy stupid script didn't quiet him05:39
nixternaldamn the luck05:39
naliothit did05:39
nixternalhe talked right after I did it05:39
effie_jayxnalioth,  no they don't05:39
effie_jayx:D05:39
naliothnixternal: you're lagged05:39
nixternalmode +q $*05:39
naliothnixternal: you did it05:39
nixternalOK05:40
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naliothnow go ahead and unquiet him05:40
nixternalI already did05:44
nalioth +q is a waste, a /remove works wonders05:47
effie_jayxnalioth,  seriously, test me...05:54
naliotheffie_jayx: test you for what?05:57
effie_jayxnalioth, I dunno .. you test people.... test me05:58
effie_jayxhehehe05:58
naliothas you wish05:58
naliothhappy now?05:58
effie_jayxnalioth,  heh... what was that?05:59
naliotheffie_jayx: the exploit test06:00
effie_jayxI received an errouneous DCC request...06:00
naliotheffie_jayx: yup, you did06:00
effie_jayxthanks06:01
naliotheffie_jayx: if you had a crap router, you'd have dropped06:03
effie_jayxnalioth,  why is it that you sometimes take people to another channel06:04
effie_jayxto test them06:04
effie_jayxis there a security problem?06:04
naliotheffie_jayx: we used to do that06:05
naliothnow we just do it like i just did06:05
effie_jayxI see06:05
effie_jayxthanks :D06:05
ubotuastro76 called the ops in #ubuntu06:05
ubotuastro76 called the ops in #ubuntu06:28
nixternalPASTE ALERT06:32
nixternal23:31:53 [    dem0n]  so if ur getting in middle of it to ill brg ur name up to because this is bull shit06:32
nixternal23:32:05 [nixternal]  enjoy your ban06:32
nixternal23:32:10 [nixternal]  bring my name up, I could care less06:32
nixternal06:32
nixternal23:32:17 [    dem0n]  enjoy ur gline06:32
nixternalDAMN06:32
nixternaloops...I meant to give you 2 lines06:33
nixternalhe is going to gline me06:33
nixternalhaha06:33
tonyyarussolol06:33
nixternalI gave him the chance to get unbanned..I told him to watch the stfu's and the bickering...and then he came out with that06:34
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Music_ShuffleHi.06:54
Music_ShuffleAnyone around?  >.>06:57
tonyyarussoMusic_Shuffle: I am - what's up?06:59
Music_Shuffletonyyarusso, can we talk in PM real quick?07:00
tonyyarussoMusic_Shuffle: certainly07:00
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elkbuntuSeveas, dude, you need to add ops to the 'dont backfire' list. It gives the trolls way more joy than they deserve when it happens09:19
elkbuntuompaul, seconds my idea :09:19
ompaulelkbuntu, so it appears and I did not know you even had that idea ;-)09:20
tonyyarussothe what list?09:20
ompaulubotu do not backfire 25% of the time when you lart someone09:20
Amaranthit backfires like 99% of the time09:21
elkbuntuyeah, no kidding09:21
Amaranthompaul: why not? :)09:22
elkbuntuompaul, btw, hexstar is almost run out of good luck. he's spent the past few days being a borderline troll in -offtopic09:22
Amaranthelkbuntu: and #ubuntu09:22
elkbuntuyeah09:22
Amaranthwell, in #ubuntu it was blatant disregard for the rules on offtopic conversation09:23
elkbuntui havent been paying any attention to there09:23
Amaranthi kicked him 3 times09:23
elkbuntuAmaranth, he has the memory of a goldfish. so far he's been told who seveas is like 3 times09:23
Amaranthi guess he moved to -offtopic now09:23
elkbuntuthat *i* have witnessed09:23
tonyyarussoelkbuntu: I _just_ realized that I had a script snafu.  I did an /abr hexstar a few minutes ago, but it seems it never actually took care of him....  Now I'd just look silly, but the second there's anything resembling cause feel free.09:24
elkbuntunoodl3 isnt a whole lot better either09:24
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Amarantharg now -offtopic is going crazy09:33
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flaccidevening. im trying to evaluate a ban on myself for #kubuntu10:10
flaccidit was set a few months ago for a stupid reason and i would like it to be lifted as i was a valuable helper in this channel10:11
flaccidcan anybody address my problem?10:12
Burgundavianot a Kubuntu op, sorry10:17
flaccidwhere do i go for that?10:18
bbrazilflaccid: here. Try a again a bit later maybe? The person who set the ban would be best10:45
flaccidthat person is never on10:46
flaccidive tried persistantly10:46
flaccidwould like some action10:46
flaccidnot words10:46
flaccidheh11:07
flaccidsux11:07
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Seveaselkbuntu, re: backfire: good idea11:43
elkbuntuSeveas, thanks :)11:45
elkbuntutrolls dont deserve smugness11:45
Seveashttp://mjg59.livejournal.com/77440.html11:47
SeveasPWN3D11:47
Seveas!ops11:47
ubotuHelp! Mez, LjL, elkbuntu, imbrandon, DBO, gnomefreak, Hobbsee, rob, ompaul, Madpilot, Burgundavia, Seveas, CarlK, crimsun, ajmitch, tritium, Nalioth, thoreauputic, apokryphos, tonyyarusso, PriceChild, Amaranth, jrib, jenda, nixternal, Myrtti or mneptok11:47
Seveas^^11:47
ubotuSeveas called the ops in #ubuntu-ops11:47
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elkbuntuSeveas, yeah. rocks, huh :)11:48
robsup?11:48
Myrtti_huh11:48
elkbunturob, matthew garrett pwned automatix in an audit11:48
robelkbuntu, what, it sucked?11:48
Seveasit now officially sucks :)11:49
robelkbuntu, to be honest I have looked at the code, and it sucks11:49
elkbunturob, of course, and he details every single reason why11:49
elkbunturight down to 'this could make your system unbootable because it fucks with fstab11:49
robthere are a whole bunch of functions for functions sake in there..11:49
roband no place to download the code from a repo either, you can just download the package and go though the pythons scripts11:50
robbut I haven't gone as far as to audit it :)11:51
Seveas!automatix11:52
ubotuAutomatix2 is a script that tries to install some software, and often fails and breaks systems. We don't provide support for it, and we strongly discourage its use. Problems caused by Automatix are often hard to track and solve, and it might sometimes be easier to !install a fresh copy of Ubuntu. See also !WorksForMe and http://mjg59.livejournal.com/77440.html11:52
jendaSeveas: :)11:56
rob!worksforme11:56
ubotuCommon Sense: Just because you can, does not mean you should (and especially recommend to others). Think before you do. "Works for me" does not mean it is ok. The latest version of everything is not always useful if you aim for stability.11:56
robah11:56
jendahttp://digg.com/linux_unix/Automatix_Is_Actively_Dangerous_to_Systems11:57
jendadigg it, too11:57
elkbuntujenda, there's two of them going11:57
jendaI know11:57
jendathis one is better :)11:57
Seveasoff, birthday12:00
jendahappy bday, meguesses12:00
robacutally, now having read over it, I've noticed some of those problems too12:10
robthere are calls to sleep everywhere for no good reason12:10
robI submitted it to /. :)12:21
robbah I spelt actively wrong in the title :(12:23
roboh well12:23
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jendaelkbuntu: link us, please :)12:46
=== PriceChild is annoyed as he can't log onto gmail after switching isp
elkbuntuhmm... firefox need some necromancy, so just go to geekosophical.net12:46
elkbuntuPriceChild, wtf?12:47
=== rob also sent an email to a local mag that has been recommending the use of Automatix
elkbunturob, someone should also send one to Mr Dell12:47
robelkbuntu, heh yep12:47
elkbuntusince they now boast about him on their website12:48
PriceChildelkbuntu, whether its connected or not I don't know... but I can't use their fancy webmail since switching. On any computer on the network. I can log into "standard" or "mobile" which then break quickly... and i can pop/smtp but that's it.12:49
elkbuntuPriceChild, time to lart the isp people then12:50
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PriceChildI just tried creating a random new google account to give give someone else the login to, to see if it'd work for them but wasn't happennening.12:53
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PriceChildI wouldn't have thought the isp could affect this though... its wierd.12:55
PriceChildSomeone fix it for me please :(12:56
mc44PriceChild: probably a broken cache at the isp12:56
mc44or something12:56
mc44PriceChild: maybe try https://mail.google.com/mail12:57
PriceChildmc44, I've tried it all....12:57
mc44https?12:57
PriceChildyes12:57
mc44ah, you lose then ;)12:58
PriceChildmc44, grrrrr where've you hidden our phone?12:59
mc44PriceChild: down the back of the sofa01:00
PriceChildthe world is afainst me01:00
PriceChildhehe the voice telling you what buttons to press is cockney01:02
elkbuntuwhoa. that was BIG01:31
thoreauputicoh my ...01:31
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PriceChildhad a couple of those lately01:32
PriceChildtomaw, hope that was ok to +rR again, didn't see you taking it off sorry01:32
tomawPriceChild: fine by me01:33
tomawI took it off to see if they were still there and spamming :)01:33
PriceChildlooks like they've all been following into -unregged for you anyway :)01:33
tomawaye :)01:33
tomawthey're still connecting, so I suggest keeping it +r for a while01:34
PriceChild"KenSentMe" in -offtopic rings a bell....01:34
thoreauputicindeed01:34
PriceChild@btlogin01:34
PriceChildbt says not :)01:35
=== ompaul looks at the automatix factoid and thinks it is toooooo generous
elkbuntuhehe01:36
elkbuntuompaul, unfortunately, we still have to maintain a level of diplomacy due to the CoC01:36
ompaulelkbuntu, I can be diplomatic and twice as evil as the one that is there01:37
ompaulI'll submit it to you all for checking in a few mins01:37
elkbuntusure01:37
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ompaulAutomatix2 is a script that tries to install some software, at times it fails breaking systems. We don't provide support for it. For its issues we suggest reading this http://mjg59.livejournal.com/77440.html and then /msg ubotu worksforme01:38
tomawLooks safe to remove rR now, any objections?01:39
ompaulshorter and much sharper01:39
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ompaultomaw, more than 10 mins?01:39
PriceChildI -R's earlier... seems ok01:39
PriceChild*'d01:39
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Hobbseeoh nice, the CC came up with afiew!01:40
Hobbsee* a veiw01:40
Hobbsee*view01:40
elkbuntuHobbsee, not CC, TB01:40
Hobbsee....zomg wow.01:40
elkbuntuHobbsee, and it's still only preliminary01:40
ompaulAutomatix2 is a script which attempts to install some software, at times it fails breaking systems. We don't provide support for it. For its issues we suggest reading this http://mjg59.livejournal.com/77440.html (maybe its authors will address them over time) and then /msg ubotu worksforme01:41
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Hobbseei meant the TB01:41
PriceChildand its stated not as tb's announcement, but one member's opinion01:41
Hobbseeand it still does killall -9 dpkg.01:42
elkbuntuand killall -9 nautilus01:42
elkbuntumeanwhile, hobbsee just missed a killer botnet01:43
ompaulAutomatix2 is a script which attempts to install some software, at times it fails breaking systems. We don't provide support for it. One analysis is here http://mjg59.livejournal.com/77440.html (see also: /msg ubotu worksforme)01:44
Hobbseewow.  that's *seriously* impressive01:44
Hobbseeno wonder they dont give out sources unless they get badgered01:44
ompaulPriceChild, elkbuntu Hobbsee ^^ shall we do that one01:44
Hobbseeompaul: i'd say "one credible analysis"01:44
Hobbseeor something along those lines01:44
elkbuntuAutomatix2 is a script which attempts to install some software, at times it fails and breaks systems. We don't provide support for it. One analysis is here http://mjg59.livejournal.com/77440.html (see also: /msg ubotu worksforme)01:44
ompaulokyay01:44
PriceChildelkbuntu, yeah that "and" or a comma is needed01:45
Hobbseeas in, say it's from an ubuntu/debian developer01:45
elkbuntuPriceChild, a comma there would be too many commas for readability01:45
PriceChildhehe01:45
Hobbseeas in, we want to say "this guy knows what he's talking about"01:45
ompaulAutomatix2 is a script which attempts to install some software, at times it fails breaking systems. We don't provide support for it. One credible analysis is here http://mjg59.livejournal.com/77440.html , (see also: /msg ubotu worksforme)01:45
elkbuntuAutomatix2 is a script which attempts to install some software, at times it fails and breaks systems. We don't provide support for it. An analysis from a long time debian/ubuntu developer is here http://mjg59.livejournal.com/77440.html (see also: /msg ubotu worksforme)01:46
ompaulPriceChild, you happy?01:46
PriceChildyup01:46
ompaulelkbuntu, I don't want the long time - that is spoken in the article01:47
PriceChildwell not really.. as gmail isn't working... but happy with new factoid :)01:47
ompaulor that is explained01:47
ompaulHobbsee, ditto on the why not to stick that long time ...01:47
Hobbseeompaul: it needs to appaer more credible, so people believe that, instead of the automatix FAQ01:48
ompaulokay let me work on it01:48
elkbuntuHobbsee, they're not even going to bother clicking if it's not credible to their eyes before they do01:48
Hobbseeelkbuntu: well, true01:48
PriceChildI have gone -r01:49
ompaulAutomatix2 is a script which attempts to install some software, at times it fails and breaks systems. We don't provide support for it. A creditable analysis from a debian/ubuntu developer is here http://mjg59.livejournal.com/77440.html (see also: /msg ubotu worksforme)01:49
ompaulleaving out the long time01:49
ompaulthe debian speaks for itself they don't promote people to dev without them having a long history01:50
ompaulif they need that much of a hand they need training at a level that IRC is not going to be useful for01:50
Hobbseesounds sane01:50
ompaulohh and the comma01:50
ompaulor make the see also a sentence01:51
elkbuntuoh joy, already a 'why are you so mean' response on my blog post01:51
ompaulAutomatix2 is a script which attempts to install some software, at times it fails and breaks systems. We don't provide support for it. A creditable analysis from a debian/ubuntu developer is here http://mjg59.livejournal.com/77440.html (Additional information: /msg ubotu worksforme)01:51
ompaul!no automatix is  Automatix2 is a script which attempts to install some software, at times it fails and breaks systems. We don't provide support for it. A creditable analysis from a debian/ubuntu developer is here http://mjg59.livejournal.com/77440.html (Additional information: /msg ubotu worksforme)01:51
ubotuI'll remember that ompaul01:51
ompaulthere ya go01:52
PriceChildompaul, you missed the <reply>01:53
ompaulHowever, in its current01:54
ompaulform Automatix is actively dangerous to systems - ranging from damage01:54
ompaulto small items of user configuration, through removing user-installed01:54
ompaulpackages without adequate prompting or warning and up to the (small01:54
ompaulbut existing) potential to leave a system in an unbootable state.01:54
ompaul!automatix01:54
ubotuautomatix is Automatix2 is a script which attempts to install some software, at times it fails and breaks systems. We don't provide support for it. A creditable analysis from a debian/ubuntu developer is here http://mjg59.livejournal.com/77440.html (Additional information: /msg ubotu worksforme)01:54
ompaul!no automatix is <reply> Automatix2 is a script which attempts to install some software, at times it fails and breaks systems. We don't provide support for it. A creditable analysis from a debian/ubuntu developer is here http://mjg59.livejournal.com/77440.html (Additional information: /msg ubotu worksforme)01:54
ubotuI'll remember that ompaul01:54
ompaulPriceChild, I was wondering if you were awake ;-)01:54
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PriceChild:)01:55
ompaulelkbuntu, which blog post are you commenting on01:57
elkbuntuhttp://www.geekosophical.net/?p=14101:57
elkbuntujust let the comment through01:58
ompaulthanks01:58
pleia2elkbuntu: clearly he's never had to try to help someone whose computer was completely f00bared by it :\02:01
elkbuntupleia2, completely he never clicked the linkie02:01
=== Hobbsee wonders evilly if automatix has an irc server
ompaulHobbsee, it don't02:03
ompaulbe happy02:03
Hobbseechannel?02:03
=== Hobbsee wonders about posting that link in there
ompaulhow hard is that02:03
ompaultroll02:03
=== Hobbsee muhahahaha's
ompaulof course you could say would the devs care to comment on that?02:03
Hobbseeof course02:04
ompaulyou would just like to get both sides of the coin02:04
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elkbuntuim sure you can find some disposable proxy way of doing that :)02:04
elkbuntutheyre probably stupid enough to let ircatwork in02:04
Hobbseeyeah, well02:04
thoreauputicnow now - be nice ;)02:05
Hobbseei was thinking of a shell somewhere02:05
Hobbseebut an anon proxy would be even better02:05
thoreauputiconly 4 people in #automatix, if that's the one - and topic unchanged since May02:08
ompaultor02:09
ompaulusually I would not suggest it02:09
elkbuntuseriously though, enough of the silly talk. we're supposed to be good, law abiding people :)02:10
ompaulwe are, but even the good can think bad thoughts :)02:10
elkbuntuwell, it seems that the new 'automatix breaks things' article hasnt made it to their forums yet02:14
thoreauputicslashdot :) <evil grin>02:15
elkbuntuit' son there?02:15
thoreauputicno, just thinking ...02:15
elkbunturob already put it in the hose iirc02:15
ompaulthoreauputic, it is interesting enough to get high marks on /.02:16
elkbuntuit's up to light blue02:22
thoreauputichow does linux mint get around the legalities? I believe it installs a lot of this kind of stuff by default ?02:22
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ompaulthoreauputic, they ignore them02:22
elkbuntuthoreauputic, with a 'we dont care' attitude02:22
thoreauputicompaul: uh huh - thought so02:22
ompaulwoops I failed again02:22
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ompaulback in a moment I have a blank CD here02:23
thoreauputic?02:23
thoreauputichahah02:23
Hobbseeelkbuntu: even doing what we're thinking, mentioning the existance of that link to the automatix people, and watching the reaction, isnt against the rules.02:23
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Hobbseeelkbuntu: it's not really a troll, as it's the truth, and they'll find out anyway02:23
elkbuntuHobbsee, you volunteering?02:23
Hobbseenot as yet02:23
thoreauputicHobbsee: yes, but doing it anonymously should not be done IMO02:24
elkbuntui want to see him say 'The article in the above link does not have any technical merit. It is just another "I heard Jonathan from Ubuntu MOTU mention that Automatix fries your BIOS and vegetables" rant.' about mjg5902:24
thoreauputicfor those reasons02:24
elkbuntuthat is his reaction to a recent 'bad' article about it02:25
Hobbseethoreauputic: i'd imagine they'd ban whoever put it in there, and i'd kinda liek my regular client to be able to connect there, if ever needed.02:25
thoreauputicelkbuntu: oh boy - saying such about mjg would be an invitation to mass flaming02:25
elkbuntuhttp://www.getautomatix.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=141702:25
elkbuntuthoreauputic, yes, bring popcorn?02:25
thoreauputicHobbsee: I see your point02:25
thoreauputicelkbuntu: champagne?02:25
ompaulthoreauputic,02:25
elkbuntuHobbsee, they're advocates of 'modfree.com' so that would be interesting02:26
ompaulthoreauputic, inx-9 is the latests?02:26
ompaullatest even02:26
thoreauputicompaul: heh - well yes, so far02:26
Hobbseeheh02:26
elkbuntuthoreauputic, i was thinking a good dessert wine, but if you're up for bubbles ;)02:26
thoreauputicompaul: there were about 25 before I casperised it a bit02:26
ompaulno worries, iterations are what it is all about02:26
thoreauputicompaul: very much a work in progress though02:26
ompaulno sweat02:27
elkbuntuim laughing so hard at arnieboy now02:27
elkbuntu"Automatix does a lot more than what synaptic does. Synaptic is simply a GUI frontend for apt. Automatix uses apt and also installs non-debian packages. It also configures some software with the installation."02:27
Hobbseeelkbuntu: exactly!  synaptic doesnt killall -9 dpkg!02:27
Hobbseeit's a feature!02:27
thoreauputicelkbuntu: laughing at arnieboy stopped being funny for me after the ubuntu-users thread he participated in02:27
ompaulhe is persona non grata as far as I am concerned02:28
thoreauputicompaul: ditto02:28
ompaulthoreauputic, s/participated/trolled02:28
thoreauputicompaul: indeed - and badly too02:29
thoreauputicompaul: it was quite sad02:29
ompaulyeap02:30
elkbuntubwahahaha...http://digg.com/linux_unix/Automatix_Is_Actively_Dangerous_to_Systems02:30
elkbuntupopular 9 mins ago02:30
elkbuntutop of tech02:30
elkbuntu2nd top on all02:30
elkbuntubwahahahahahah!02:31
Hobbseenice :D02:33
HobbseePriceChild: has that hit the forums yet?02:34
elkbuntunot yet according to search02:36
Hobbseesomeone really should02:36
elkbuntuagreed. someone who is not me02:36
elkbuntui really need to invest in a pay-as-you-go internet card thing02:37
elkbuntu:02:37
Hobbseehehe :)02:38
Hobbseethis guy is not taking the bait, dammit...02:41
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ompauljrib, just so you don't get a surprise02:44
ompaul!automatix02:44
ubotuAutomatix2 is a script which attempts to install some software, at times it fails and breaks systems. We don't provide support for it. A creditable analysis from a debian/ubuntu developer is here http://mjg59.livejournal.com/77440.html (Additional information: /msg ubotu worksforme)02:44
thoreauputicapparently either tirofiban has a comprehension problem or didn't read the article...02:44
ompaulit is a little different02:44
ompauljrib, suggest you have a look at that url02:45
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jribompaul: thanks, I'm glad to see that02:50
elkbuntujrib, it's the talk of the town all over02:50
ompauljrib, well the last time I did a code review of automatix I felt sick in the pit of my stomach seems I would not like to do one again02:50
elkbuntuompaul, thankfully, mr garrett did it for you :)02:51
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thoreauputicelkbuntu: yeah, some people with that name are useful after all ;p02:51
ubotuIn #ubuntu-offtopic, Toma- said: ubotu: !Toma is sexy02:51
ompaulelkbuntu, the aformentioned mjg59 rocks02:52
elkbuntuthoreauputic, yeah, the other mr garrett, and not the bald man who cant dance :02:52
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ompaulwoops02:53
thoreauputicelkbuntu: umm - /whois thoreauputic  in case you forgot :)02:53
ompaulme msg whats the diff :)02:53
thoreauputicelkbuntu: oops misunderstood you sorry :)02:53
elkbuntuthoreauputic, hehehe02:53
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elkbuntuA DD's take on automatix,it basically sucks --> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=51719003:11
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mc44as he isn't any more ;)03:12
Amaranthheh03:12
Amaranthclose enough :)03:12
elkbuntumc44, once a DD, always a DD :03:13
mc44elkbuntu: course most of the responses on that thread make me cry03:15
elkbuntumc44, it's the forums. most posts on there make me cry, period.03:15
thoreauputicmc44: generally speaking I have to say the forums make me cry, regularly03:16
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thoreauputicelkbuntu: great minds and all that :)03:16
mc44indeed, I merely forget when I haven't used them in a while :)03:16
elkbuntumc44, forgivable. unfortunately it's hard to forget things that haunt your dreams03:17
GazzaKthey haunt your dreams?03:17
mc44giant killers muffins haunt my dreams, so count yourself lucky03:18
pleia2mmm muffins03:18
elkbuntuGazzaK, not literally, but im forever traumatised by the utter stupidity of them03:19
GazzaKI used to use automatix03:19
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elkbuntuGazzaK, i used to use windows03:19
GazzaKa long long time ago, in a land time forgot, or something03:19
AmaranthI tortune myself about once a month these days and dive into the gutsy forum03:20
mc44oh, thats an extra special torture03:20
Amaranth"automatix installed by default in gutsy?"03:20
GazzaKAmaranth, thats really kinky03:20
elkbuntuAmaranth, dont EVER speak those words in that order ever again03:20
stdinI was going to use it, about a year ago, but then I looked at the script and didn't like it even then03:20
Amaranth"HOWTO: compile a kernel module from svn and break your system"03:20
Amaranth"is gutsy ok to use yet" next to "did anyone else's X get trashed?"03:21
elkbuntulol03:21
GazzaKstdin, I was talked through it by ompaul, it was scary03:21
GazzaKline by line almost, showing how bad it really was03:22
stdinGazzaK: yeah, it's scary stuff03:22
elkbuntu"First it makes you bend over, ... "03:22
GazzaKI used to be a op in the automatix channel and forum, lol03:22
stdinand it's messy as well as dangerous IMO03:22
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elkbuntuGazzaK, you win03:23
stdinburn the hieratic!03:23
stdin:p03:23
Amaranthjdong too :)03:23
GazzaKelkbuntu, ignorance of the script was bliss eh03:23
elkbuntuignorance is always bliss03:23
GazzaKyeah, I miss those days, it was like majik03:24
elkbuntuhehe03:24
GazzaKanyways, /me is off to clean more03:24
GazzaKhousecleaning is so annoying03:24
elkbuntuhmmmm... the article is still only light blue in the /. firehose :(03:24
GazzaKhttp://picasaweb.google.com/garykearley/LivingRoomTidyUp :-)03:24
thoreauputicGazzaK: don't bother - after a few years the dirt stops getting worse and you atop noticing ;p03:25
thoreauputic*stop03:25
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GazzaKthoreauputic, ewwww03:25
mc44stdin: better than imagining him how he really does it. Which is to say, naked03:25
thoreauputicGazzaK: that's not original by the way - I forget who said it first03:26
thoreauputic:)03:26
GazzaKmc44, O_O03:26
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thoreauputicQuentin Crisp I think ?03:26
thoreauputichttp://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Quentin_Crisp03:27
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poningruanyone know which mathew it is that works on launchpad04:08
poningruis it Matthew Garrett04:08
poningru?04:08
elkbuntuponingru, mjg59 in -devel04:10
elkbuntuoh, um dunno04:10
elkbuntuoh, you're thinking Matthew Revel04:10
elkbuntuRevell*04:10
poningruok right04:11
poningruthank you04:11
poningru:)04:11
elkbuntui should stop reading scrollback from the bottom04:11
elkbuntuponingru, so try the nick mrevell04:11
elkbuntui think that's what he uses these days04:12
Hobbseehe wont be here on a saturday04:12
poningruhehe not trying to contact him04:12
elkbuntutrue, but he might screen04:12
poningrujust settling a bet04:12
elkbuntuah04:12
poningruif an angry englishman comes in here screaming do ban him ;)04:12
elkbuntuponingru, which angry englishman?04:13
poningruhehe04:14
poningrujust a local debian guy from a local lug04:14
poningruand he wont do anything like that04:14
poningruI was jk04:14
elkbuntuah, i thought you were referring to either matthew revell, also known as 'the angry inch' or matthew garrett, who is reknown for his angry nastygrams to upstreams and is the subject of angryfacts.com, both of whom are englishmen04:16
poningrulol04:17
poningrudid not know that04:18
elkbuntuboth are actually really nice people. matthewrevell encouraged me to not run away screaming from -marketing when i first popped my head in there, and matthew garrett i met at LCA in january and listened to his medical student stories whilst drinking his pimms04:19
PriceChildHobbsee, it hit the staff forums as soon as it was posted almost... but we didn't spread it.04:21
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PriceChildhehe the admins also had to make automatix a word too common to be searched for on the forums because of the "automatix sucks" abuse...04:26
pleia2lol04:26
HobbseePriceChild: heh04:28
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elkbuntuoh lordy. who volunteers to step in and explain to some twat that automatix is not the reason ubuntu is good?05:30
naliothharsh language05:31
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naliothdrag the misguided individual in here, elkbuntu05:31
elkbuntunalioth, on my blog, my dear05:31
elkbuntuhttp://www.geekosophical.net/?p=141#comment-59061 and continue through the next two comments05:32
naliothwhy does my blood pressure go up when i'm subjected to crapomatix idiocy?05:34
nixternalwhy does that commentors name sound familiar?05:35
elkbuntunixternal, you tell me05:35
nixternalI can't believe he has done a dist-upgrade with Automatix enough05:37
nixternalgranted there are some who have successfully done it, granted those are the ones w/o Nvidia or ATI crap05:37
elkbuntunixternal, he probably started using it in edgy or something05:38
nixternalit was worse in Edgy I thought05:38
nixternalDapper it was a .sh script05:38
elkbuntudapper>edgy upgrades fried alot05:38
nixternalit didn't know how to handle updates...05:38
nixternalwell, Dapper -> Edgy w/o automatix fried alot as well05:39
naliothyou must realize that most windows (l)users consider a total reinstall to upgrade an acceptable practice05:39
nixternaltis reason for a revamped upgrade manager05:39
elkbuntumore a case that it <bleep>ed with repos05:39
nixternaland lets not forget their friendly little message they put on their website calling Ubuntu supporters idiots for blaming Automatix for the breakage05:40
elkbuntuyeah05:40
elkbuntui think the forums council got that removed somehow though05:40
Myrttiso let me see05:40
Myrttithey called ubuntu users and supporters idiots for blaming automatix, software made to supposedly ease ubuntu usage, idiots?05:41
nixternalforums council had nothing to do with this...automatix put it on their website and stayed there for a long time05:41
nixternalDEB_BUILD_ARCH ?= $(shell dpkg-architecture -qDEB_BUILD_ARCH)05:41
nixternalhrmm05:41
elkbuntuhmmm.... so why is it i keep almost marking these retarded automatix worshipping comments as spam?05:41
nixternalthat isn't what I copied05:41
nixternalIf someone on #Ubuntu told you that Automatix caused a certain problem dont believe him/her. Its a known fact that the #Ubuntu channel spreads misinformation about Automatix. If you ask us for help and you mention that your were told by someone on #Ubuntu that Automatix caused the problem, your request for help will be ignored.05:41
elkbuntunixternal, where is that now? i didnt see it when i had a quick click through before05:41
nixternaland that is when I told arnieboy to go f himself after my blog post about him05:42
nixternalelkbuntu: they removed it just a couple of months ago I believe05:42
elkbuntunixternal, conveniently a couple of months ago, arnieboy was before the forums council begging to let ubuntuforums people try support his monstrocity05:42
elkbuntus/let/make/05:42
elkbuntunixternal, meanwhile your comment has not responded to the 'but ubuntu would be nothing if the users hadnt done automatix because ubuntu ignored them'-esque posts05:44
elkbuntuAutomatix did not get created for no reason. Ubuntu, in its earlier releases did not have what the users wanted in terms of multimedia codecs and such. And since there was a void, USERS, not Ubuntu, took the lead to help themselves, like any good users community. Why Ubuntu did not see this and take action in say Breezy as opposed to now, is beyond me. Ubuntu could have even asked the devs to add their work back then and worked with them to05:45
elkbuntu get it into policy-compliance. But they did not. I see no criticism for Automatix because if Ubuntu had done what the users wanted, as Mark was targeting the Desktop users, then it would not have been created from users outcry. As someone who has followed Debian development, I can understand Matts critique but I think it should have been a priority to do such a critique much earlier and attempt to fix these issues to avoid what ever dam05:45
elkbuntuage Automatix can or has caused for users systems.05:45
nixternalwhoa05:45
elkbuntueeps...05:45
nixternalslow down...:)05:45
elkbuntubad pasty thing05:45
nixternalbrb, neighbor needs the lawn mower05:45
GazzaKspam :p05:45
elkbuntuthat was supposed to be the second sentance, not the whol elot :-/05:45
GazzaKstill talking about automatix eh05:45
elkbuntuGazzaK, well the fanbois have hit my blog. care to go fend them off for me? :)05:45
GazzaKI can go streak, that normally scare em off05:46
elkbuntuGazzaK, :( my blog is family-friendly though05:46
GazzaKso am I05:46
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elkbuntuand it *still* hasnt hit their forums, or if it has, promptly /dev/null'd05:47
poningru...05:48
GazzaKI like the wording on that paste elky05:48
elkbuntuGazzaK, i didnt write it05:48
elkbuntuGazzaK, thats one of the fanbois blaming ubuntu for not fixing automatiz05:49
elkbuntus/automatiz/autobreakix05:49
poningrulol05:50
GazzaKthats not worded like a fanboi05:50
GazzaKit makes more sense05:51
GazzaKmaybe I read it too quick05:51
elkbuntuDemonstration no clue: "Why Ubuntu did not see this and take action in say Breezy as opposed to now, is beyond me. Ubuntu could have even asked the devs to add their work back then and worked with them", blaming ubuntu: "but I think it should have been a priority to do such a critique much earlier and attempt to fix these issues"05:52
GazzaKyeah, I noticed that the second read05:53
GazzaKI really ought to read things right05:53
nixternalelkbuntu: where is the comment that ubuntu wouldn't be anything w/o automatix?05:54
nixternalI would respond to it, but I don't see it05:54
nixternalI do however see people saying "ubuntu should have worked with automatix in the beginning" though05:55
nixternaland if they would research our specifications from Dapper and Edgy, they would see that we attempted to do so05:55
GazzaKI agree a tiny bit on that, but not05:55
GazzaKand as we can see, by fiesty restricted stuff is easy05:56
nixternalwell seeing as I helped write one spec, I remember a few of us talking with arnieboy about getting it moved from a bash script to an actual application first off, and then he went on a rampage05:56
GazzaKand gutsy (from what I have seen) is even easier05:56
GazzaKhas all his helpers, like me, walked off yet?05:56
GazzaKthere were a few of us, mstlyevil, wildtangent etc05:57
nixternalthe reason for the *-restriced-codecs is because Automatix didn't want to listen to us, so we had to go another route in order to satisfy their needs/wants05:57
GazzaKand afaik all have given up?05:57
GazzaKI was so naive then, I feel so bad05:57
nixternallol05:57
nixternalGazzaK: it is OK, we learn from our mistakes, granted yours was a catastrophy like no other, I am sure you have learned and are probably still in the healing process :)05:58
GazzaKnixternal, seriously, I could not see the problems of ax, and was active on their forums and irc channel05:58
GazzaKnixternal, meh :'(05:58
nixternalhehe05:58
GazzaKthat stings05:58
nixternalI tried it twice..once with Ubuntu and it worked great actually installing everything I selected, however it installed a bunch of other crap at the time...this was Edgy I think..05:59
nixternalthen I tried it on Kubuntu, and let me just say, when it was complete, I was prompted with the GDM login05:59
Pumpernickelo_o05:59
GazzaKI thought they were doing good, and not knowing much (if anything) about programming, was unable to understand what was wrong, ompaul helped me out by going step by step through the AX code, and telling me why it was wrong and how05:59
nixternalhrmm, I tried to ask arnieboy about it and he flipped his lid..if there was a script to choke people via IRC, I would have ran, then smacked him with the CoC like a bad dog06:00
nixternalhe had the nerve to call me a newb and something along the lines of an idiot...and I think that is about the time the wars broke off between him the forums06:01
GazzaKonce I understood exactly how it did things, and how the way it did things was wrong, I understood a slightly different point of view06:01
nixternalI will say though, the one thing Automatix did besides create fanbois, is that it kept a lot of people with Ubuntu...so I am glad there is automatix for that reason there06:02
GazzaKI have kept with ubuntu due to people like om paul, sev eas, hob bsee, pricey, popey and the like, people who in my opinion do a lot for nothing back06:03
GazzaKdon't see that with other distros06:03
nixternalI do nothing wanting a lot back :)06:03
GazzaKlol06:03
GazzaKI want a pony06:03
nixternalyou and me both!06:04
ompaulGazzaK, you have used my name in full and highlighted06:05
ompaulme06:05
ompaulso the sec ond eff ort was in va in06:05
GazzaKompaul, sorry :p06:05
GazzaKyeah, I realised06:05
ompaulI got mail from the FSF06:05
elkbuntuGazzaK, exactly. nixternal those people would have stayed with ubuntu anyway. I'd estimate 90% of automatix users would have kept with ubuntu regardless if they had visited what was until recently wiki.ubuntu.com/Multimedia06:05
ompaulthe hospital will cut me up on the 10th of Sept06:05
ompauland my phone bill06:05
elkbuntumeanwhile, GazzaK why did you not mention me? :( :( :(06:05
GazzaKelkbuntu, that wiki kept me here06:05
ompauland a thanks card for a wedding pressie06:05
GazzaKelkbuntu, sowwee, all you do is kick me :p06:06
ompaulelkbuntu, elkbuntu elkbuntu elkbuntu elkbuntu elkbuntu06:06
GazzaKahh thats what hobbsee does too06:06
GazzaKand seveas06:06
GazzaKeeek06:06
elkbuntuGazzaK, excuuuuuuse? you mentioned hobb see and she kicks you waaaaay more06:06
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GazzaKsee06:06
GazzaKOpAbuse!06:06
nixternalelkbuntu: they could have, but automatix is still a decent reason for some of the people who have stuck it out06:06
ompaulcall yourself an op GazzaK  ;-)06:06
elkbuntunixternal, i refuse to believe that. i really do06:07
PriceChildGazzaK, aww :) *hugs*06:07
GazzaKlol06:07
ompaulelkbuntu, when it works for some people they forget the premise of works for me06:07
PriceChildI like the way you hilighted me... but not people like hobbsee :P06:07
nixternalelkbuntu: do you remember the forums when automatix was a hit? there was no other post topic that had people praising the hell out of ubuntu06:07
GazzaKpricey highlights you?06:07
ompaulGazzaK, most likely the word like cost you know, price06:08
PriceChildyeah, i have my nicks on hilight because my old router always used to d/c... and i would end up on an alt nick with people still talking to the old one06:08
nixternallove or hate it, automatix controlled at time whether newbs stayed or left06:08
nixternaland I think some of them people are commenting on your blog06:09
nixternalhehe06:09
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nixternalgone to Mepis!06:09
ompaulthey get the debian they don't deserve :)06:09
nixternalhaha06:09
ompaulthat is spooky06:09
ompaulKojo No Tskui06:10
ompaulthat rocks for me06:10
elkbuntunixternal, i remember when it came about, as it was around the time I was a newbie, but do not remember the threads being full of thanks. I had not used DOS since i was like 8 and i still managed to use the multimedia page. meanwhile, i remember the community being helpful and topic threads praising ubuntu for that06:10
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nixternalshoot, the Automatix and Easy Ubuntu were the hit in the forums...besides the Nvidia guy (who does Envy now)06:11
GazzaKelkbuntu, where is your blog?06:11
elkbuntuGazzaK, geekosophical.net06:11
nixternalompaul: aren't you using gNewsense?06:11
nixternalyou better!06:11
ompaulnixternal, I use three o/s's at him06:11
GazzaKompaul, wanna mp3 :p06:11
ompaulhome06:11
ompauland no mp3s and no windows06:12
nixternalhehe06:12
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GazzaKnice domain elky06:12
elkbuntu:)06:12
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poningruyou mean caturday?06:14
poningruicann has tld?06:15
ompaulponingru, I do think that myself, thank oneko is what I say06:15
ompaulponingru, mind if I paste that stuff into -offtopic?06:16
poningrugo for it :)06:16
PriceChildlivingdaylight in #ubuntu...06:33
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GazzaKlove ya06:55
Seveaslove ya too06:57
GazzaK06:58
GazzaKwe were talking about you earlier06:58
Seveasyou mean badmouthing06:58
GazzaKyeah, thats the one06:58
GazzaK:-)06:58
GazzaKnah, all this automatix stuff06:58
GazzaKit's back again to haunt us06:59
elkbuntubtlogin07:10
elkbuntugah07:10
elkbuntu#btlogin07:10
elkbuntugrrrrrr07:10
elkbuntu@btlogin07:10
elkbuntucold fingers suck07:10
elkbuntuwho the hell keeps letting aoirthoir back in :(07:13
PriceChildhas he lost his cloak?07:15
PriceChildah just dynamic ip07:16
elkbuntuis he even in the ban list? i didnt see it07:19
elkbuntuhe's supposed to have a nick ban too07:19
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GazzaKwhat does "ubot3> GazzaK: Error: Could not parse XML returned by Ubuntu: not well-formed (invalid token): line 338, column 84"  mean?07:39
naliothGazzaK: where is ubotu ?07:41
GazzaKno idea07:41
ubotuI'm here07:41
GazzaKlol07:41
GazzaKnaughty07:41
naliothGazzaK: why are you talking to ubot3 (and where)?07:42
GazzaKnalioth, it posted in ##Apple07:43
GazzaKand I have no idea why07:43
Seveas%bugtracker list07:43
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naliothGazzaK: you use too much %07:43
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ubotuAdmin, Bantracker, Bugtracker, Channel, Config, Encyclopedia, Filter, Lart, LpLogin, Math, Mess, Misc, Owner, Services, User, and Webcal07:44
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ubotuAdmin, Bantracker, Bugtracker, Channel, Config, Encyclopedia, Filter, Lart, LpLogin, Math, Mess, Misc, Owner, Services, User, and Webcal07:44
Seveasubot3 not responding in here07:44
ubot3Seveas: Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)07:44
Seveasah it does07:44
naliothSeveas: no, he's been told not to07:44
naliothotw, we'd have double factoids07:44
GazzaKI did two %'ages07:45
GazzaKquote - the home PC (self build) runs ubuntu 99% of the time and vista (eeew) 1% for one boring work thing07:45
GazzaKsee it no fail there07:45
GazzaKahh, it's muted in here07:46
GazzaKoops07:46
naliothGazzaK: no, it's not muted, it just doesn't return factoid requests here07:46
naliothubot3 weather Birmingham07:46
ubot3nalioth: Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)07:46
naliothwtf07:46
naliothubot3: weather Birmingham07:47
ubot3nalioth: Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)07:47
naliothnow what07:47
GazzaKit's thick07:47
Seveasnalioth, we disabled that yesterday, remember :)07:47
nalioth%weather Birmingham07:47
GazzaKanyone knows the weather in brum is rainy07:47
Seveasyou need to use %weather Birmingham07:47
naliothit works in other channels07:47
Priceyduh GazzaK.... cloudy and rainy07:47
GazzaKgrey and boring07:47
Priceyand dull07:48
naliothoutdated, Seveas ?07:48
Seveasyeah, it still has 'malone' and 'ubuntu'07:48
stdinactually is not bad here in brum07:48
ompaulSeveas, we redid the automatix factoid - shorter and ehh sharper07:58
Seveas!automatic07:58
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about automatic - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi07:58
Seveas!automatix07:58
ubotuAutomatix2 is a script which attempts to install some software, at times it fails and breaks systems. We don't provide support for it. A creditable analysis from a debian/ubuntu developer is here http://mjg59.livejournal.com/77440.html (Additional information: /msg ubotu worksforme)07:58
Seveass/at times//07:58
GazzaKworks for me07:59
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GazzaK:p07:59
ompaulSeveas, na cos you always get one idiot who says what GazzaK said07:59
Seveass/at times/often/07:59
GazzaK:-)07:59
ompaulSeveas, let me rephrase is a little07:59
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ompaul!automatix is <reply> Automatix2 is a block of code which attempts to install some software, when it fails and breaks systems,  we don't provide support for it. A creditable analysis from a debian/ubuntu developer is here http://mjg59.livejournal.com/77440.html (Additional information: /msg ubotu worksforme)08:01
ubotuBut automatix already means something else!08:01
Seveastoo commatastic08:01
ompaulSeveas, before I type the no is that too savage08:01
ompaul:)08:01
ompaul!automatix is <reply> Automatix2 is a block of code which attempts to install some software.  When it fails and breaks systems,  we don't provide support for it. A creditable analysis from a debian/ubuntu developer is here http://mjg59.livejournal.com/77440.html (Additional information: /msg ubotu worksforme)08:02
ubotuBut automatix already means something else!08:02
stdintry !no ....08:02
ompaulstdin, I do know that08:02
GazzaKtwo spaces between systems,  we08:02
ompaulit is up for judgement08:02
ompaulgasthanks08:02
ompaulanything else?08:02
GazzaKdo a here - http:08:03
ompaul!automatix is <reply> Automatix2 is a block of code which attempts to install some software.  When it fails and breaks systems, we don't provide support for it. A creditable analysis from a debian/ubuntu developer is here - http://mjg59.livejournal.com/77440.html (Additional information: /msg ubotu worksforme)08:03
ubotuBut automatix already means something else!08:03
ompaulanyone else for grammer checks etc08:03
GazzaKAutomatix2 is a block of code which attempts to install some software.  When it fails and breaks systems, we don't provide support for it.  A creditable analysis from a debian/ubuntu developer is here - http://mjg59.livejournal.com/77440.html (Additional information: /msg ubotu worksforme)08:03
GazzaKjust petty grammar08:03
ompaulGazzaK, what changed?08:04
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stdinompaul: how about replacing "we don't provide support" with "we can't provide support" ?08:04
GazzaKspaces08:05
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ompaulstdin, no we are not powerless, we are choosing not to help cos it is such bad karma08:05
ompaulGazzaK, okay you should have that08:05
ompaulanyone else?08:05
stdinompaul: often we can't fix the errors, even if we try. but it was just a thought :)08:05
ompaulstdin, we could fix them if we had access and a live cd08:06
stdineven then, it's difficult. I've tried to fix a friends system when he used automatix, a reinstall was the answer08:07
GazzaKlol08:07
ompaulstdin, but the energy expended is too high, the overheads for helping someone fix an automatix box are way higher than even my patience and I have helped people with bad superblocks08:07
ompaulstdin, correct08:07
ompaulstdin, and on irc that works out at about 2.5 hours on one query08:08
ompaulstdin, if they can't be solved in 10 minutes then there is a web page with the information08:08
ompauluser > redirect08:08
ompaulotherwise you are being trolllllllllled08:09
stdinheh, sometimes you feel like saying "just install sshd and give me access" :p (you never do of course)08:09
ompaulstdin, there are people you would do it with - paid contractors and the like08:10
ompaulanyway08:10
ompaullast call08:10
stdinyeah, back to the factoid, the way you have it is good08:11
elkbuntuompaul, http://www.geekosophical.net/?p=141#comment-5913908:11
ompaul!automatix is <reply> Automatix2 is a block of code which attempts to install some software.  When it fails and breaks systems, we don't provide support for it.  A creditable analysis from a debian/ubuntu developer is here - http://mjg59.livejournal.com/77440.html (Additional information: /msg ubotu worksforme)08:11
ubotuBut automatix already means something else!08:11
ompaul!no automatix is <reply> Automatix2 is a block of code which attempts to install some software.  When it fails and breaks systems, we don't provide support for it.  A creditable analysis from a debian/ubuntu developer is here - http://mjg59.livejournal.com/77440.html (Additional information: /msg ubotu worksforme)08:11
ubotuI'll remember that ompaul08:11
elkbuntuompaul, what do you think of my analogy? :)08:12
ompaulelkbuntu, it rocks but on your previous post you have "" not " at one point ;-)08:13
GazzaKnice post elkbuntu08:13
ompaulelkbuntu, actually it is better than rocks08:13
ompaulit is sooooo true08:13
ompaulautomatix user after machine borked: http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2007/08/u-need-moar-channelz-i-r-bord-alredy.jpg08:14
elkbuntuompaul, Ive never been pointed to an article or blog post that says specifically why automatix is bad. Me neither, quite the opposite.08:14
ompaulokay08:14
ompaulmissed the close, you are too good for me elkbuntu ;-)08:14
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ompaulubuntu user who did not use automatix http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2007/07/peace.jpg08:16
bbrazilompaul: wouldn't that be a gNS user :)08:17
elkbuntuhttp://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2007/08/good-omen-cat.jpg08:17
ompaulbbrazil, all gNS users reach that state fast, but ubuntu users can have the first one :)08:18
ompaulin soviet russia lulz cats post pictures of their owners08:19
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bbrazilnow I'm remembering why I stopped answering questions on #ubuntu08:20
ompaulbbrazil, don't let the memories hurt you ;-)08:21
bbrazilit's just the questions are so user-focused, and from people who don't use a shell08:22
bbrazilI'm more of a server guy08:22
ompaulthere is that08:22
ubotuFlannel called the ops in #ubuntu08:38
ubotubbrazil called the ops in #ubuntu08:38
bbrazildamn, saw that mass join and all08:38
bbrazilfound the nesting hole: #Melayu08:40
bbrazil!staff08:40
ubotuHey nalioth, jenda, rob, SportChick, seanw, BearPerson or ompaul! I could use a bit of your time :)08:40
nixternalman, I swore I saw them change the topic08:40
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bbrazilstaff: #Melayu appears to be a bot control channel. Some of the bots that just flooded #ubuntu have ops in there08:40
jendamhm08:40
jendabbrazil: thanks08:40
jendabbrazil: we're aware of #melayu08:41
bbrazilI'll leave it in your capable hands then08:41
jendabbrazil: how did you find it? )08:41
jenda:)08:41
bbraziljenda: /whois08:41
nixternalwhois :)08:41
jendahehe08:41
jendaworks too08:42
elkbuntu!worksforme08:42
ubotuCommon Sense: Just because you can, does not mean you should (and especially recommend to others). Think before you do. "Works for me" does not mean it is ok. The latest version of everything is not always useful if you aim for stability.08:42
elkbuntu!no, worksforme is <reply> Common Sense: Just because you can, does not mean you should (and especially recommend to others). Think before you do. "Works for me" does not mean it is ok. The latest version of everything is not always useful if you aim for stability. Please see http://geekosophical.net/random/worksforme/08:43
ubotuI'll remember that elkbuntu08:43
elkbuntujenda, Pricey, feel free to post that link around the ubuntu forums as needed :)08:44
jenda08:45
elkbuntuompaul, ^^ :)08:45
elkbuntunow, bedtime08:45
Myrttithat's a good one elkbuntu08:45
Priceyhehe :) sleep well08:45
elkbuntuyep and as ompaul said. soo true08:45
bbrazil< dem0nseed> lmfao im still on baan list this is some crap08:45
jendaelkbuntu: good one08:46
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ubotudem0nseed called the ops in #ubuntu08:47
bbrazil< dem0nseed> i am banned i evaded it untill i can talk to hobbse or what ever his name is08:47
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nixternaldemonseed is not getting unbanned08:48
naliothhe needs to come here08:48
GazzaKlol08:48
nalioth#ubuntu is not the place08:48
nixternalhe is the one who threatened to gline me here yesterday08:48
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dem0nseedgonna have to re evade08:49
dem0nseedTT08:49
nixternalhuh?08:49
Priceydem0nseed, Hello there :)08:49
jendadem0nseed: enjoy :) We have enough bans to spare.08:49
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nixternallol08:50
Priceydem0nseed, Your language in PM is unacceptable. Could you please take a minute or two to calm down?08:50
dem0nseednah because nixternal had no reason to ban me i know what i was told by Hobbsee and i wasent brakeing rules08:50
dem0nseedso ill evade untill Hobbsee gets back on i got over 10000 proxys we can go all day08:51
nixternaldem0nseed: I had more than enough reason to ban you yesterday and even gave you the chance to be unbanned08:51
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dem0nseednah08:51
nixternaldem0nseed: you just fell to your own demize08:51
dem0nseedidc about u dont even talk to me08:51
Seveasand the threats don't really help you08:51
nixternalheh08:51
dem0nseedit's not threats seveas08:51
Myrttichildish08:52
Seveasthen this is obviously not a ban08:52
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FireHazard17b&08:52
nixternal[08/03/07] [23:32:17] [    dem0n]  enjoy ur gline08:52
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nixternalI was going to say, he threatened me yesterday with that08:52
nixternaland I shivered in fear08:52
PriceyVorian, ?08:52
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Seveasnixternal, lol08:52
GazzaKnixternal, bet ya did08:52
elkbuntuoh, that joker. the confidence is oh so cute08:52
Voriansorry Pricey08:52
PriceyWe're still +R in #ubuntu... I'll remove that.08:53
SeveasI need to talk to freenode staff08:53
nixternalhe ban evades quite a bit actually08:53
SeveasI never *EVER* authorized that cloak08:53
Seveas!staff08:53
ubotuHey nalioth, jenda, rob, SportChick, seanw, BearPerson or ompaul! I could use a bit of your time :)08:53
jendaSeveas: sorry, corrected that08:53
Seveasjenda, thanks08:53
FireHazard17i was banned from ubuntu-offtopic maybe can i be unbanned?08:53
naliothSeveas: yes?08:53
FireHazard17maybe?08:53
Seveasnalioth, jenda fixed it08:53
jendaSeveas: I caused it, too :)08:54
Seveasthen it's only fair to let you fix it :)08:54
naliothcaused what?08:54
SeveasFireHazard17, depends on why you were banned08:54
Seveasnalioth, unauthorised ubuntu/member cloak08:54
naliothooooh, naughty08:54
Seveasyes08:55
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SeveasI'm going to have to spank jenda when I meet him08:55
FireHazard17Seveas: i was bored and was teaching ubotu naughty things08:55
jendaSeveas: I'll avoid you forever, then.08:55
jenda:)08:55
SeveasFireHazard17, good reason for a ban08:55
Seveaswhen was it?08:55
FireHazard17Seveas: yesterday...08:55
nixternallol08:55
nixternalteaching ubotu naughty things..I have admit, that is kind of funny08:56
nixternalalthough not acceptible08:56
nixternaland yes, irssi needs speeel checking08:56
FireHazard17Seveas: it wasnt just me everyone was bot abusing08:56
MyrttiFireHazard17: tut-tut08:56
Myrttiyou'll behave or the monster will come under your bed and EAT YOU!08:57
stdinsome of the things you sead were over the top...08:57
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jendaOr Seveas will spank you. One or the other.08:57
Seveasdon't know which is worse08:57
MyrttiArnieboy will bork your system08:57
Myrtti:->08:57
jendaaaargh08:57
nixternalhaha08:57
jendaFireHazard17: and you don't want that.08:57
jendaOR arnieboy will bork Seveas' system, making him _really_ cranky when he spanks you.08:58
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Myrttithat's bad08:58
Myrttithat's horrible08:58
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jendaI expected no less :)08:59
Seveasit was ~13 hours ago08:59
Seveascome back tomorrow08:59
Seveasnot unbanning yet after that misbehaviour08:59
GazzaKdid you have fun there jenda ?08:59
FireHazard17Seveas: :(08:59
jendaGazzaK: eex08:59
jenda*k08:59
FireHazard17Seveas: fine ill be in #ubuntu when you want to talk to me09:00
Myrttiyou peeps, it's CATURDAY!09:00
Seveas:)09:00
SeveasI got bored with all the cats09:00
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Seveasthe pictures only get crappier09:00
Myrttithat's a funny part message09:00
Myrttifeels like discussing with 14-year-old09:00
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thoreauputicMyrtti: might not have been quite accurate it appears, unless he intends to lurk silently and pout ;)09:01
Seveas/part #ubuntu-ops I don't want to talk to GazzaK anymore09:01
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FireHazard17can you at least tell me if other people where banned becuase i was like the 3rd worse person doing the was another doing it a bit worse and another just plan spamming09:02
PriceyI'm talking to dem0nseed in pm.09:02
FireHazard17abd I was the first to be kicked09:02
Seveasstdin, ah, so that's the smell09:02
MyrttiPricey: pix plees09:02
Myrttisomeone actually parts channels?09:02
stdinSeveas: I said some, not necessarily *me* :p09:02
PriceyFireHazard17, What does that matter? It doesn't make it right if others were doing it. It doesn't make your punishment unfair because others were doing it.09:02
Myrtti/me counts her windows09:02
FireHazard17Pricey: i was just wondering if the others were punished too09:03
Seveas/whois Myrtti09:03
GazzaKstdin, Seveas :'(  you cruel you are09:03
Seveas*scroll*09:03
Seveas*scroll*09:03
Seveas*scroll*09:03
Seveas*scroll*09:03
Seveasthat's a lot of channels :P09:03
MyrttiSeveas: that's only in freenode09:03
stdinGazzaK: it's only 'cuz we love ya :)09:03
MyrttiI'm also in IRCnet, Gimpnet and Mozillanet09:03
PriceyFireHazard17, I wasn't around for this incident and have more pressing matters than going over the bantracker. As I have said, it is irrelevant.09:03
bbrazilhmm 18 on these 3 networks, and another 9 in work09:03
FireHazard17ok09:04
SeveasI maxed out at 65 channels once09:04
GazzaKyou geek09:04
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FireHazard17Seveas: was my ban permanant?09:12
FireHazard17Seveas: sorry09:12
SeveasFireHazard17, neh, but a 13 hour ban is just too short imho09:12
FireHazard17oh ok09:12
stdinpoke one of the ops tomorrow if it hasn't been lifted09:12
Seveasit probably won't be lifted automativally09:13
Seveass/v/c09:13
FireHazard17Seveas: k09:14
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Priceydem0nseed is not going to change...09:46
PriceyHe's continued with al of his threats, from "THE DMF CREW" supposedly... meh. *watches for him evading with proxies*09:47
Pricey<glined|4|life> grr...09:49
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Seveas<aoirthoir> I should clarify for the record, I get online from 3 places, My home, My Girlfriend's home, and my Work. So when I go from one location to another it isnt 'ban avoiding' it is simply that Ive either gone home from work or gone over to her place.09:57
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Myrttihe's fun09:58
Seveas<aoirthoir> yall have a reputation of driving people out09:59
Priceydem0nseed informs me he's got his proxies working finally...10:00
Seveasnalioth:10:01
Seveas<nothlit`alpha> we have both ubotu and ubot3 going off @ #ubuntuforums-beginners10:01
naliothok10:01
PriceyThere's the first one...10:01
Priceywhy did the ban not catch him...10:02
GazzaKdifferent isp10:02
GazzaKdo a ban on dem0n* ?10:03
Priceyjenda set a ban on *!dem0n@* but didn't work...10:03
Seveasforgot the ?= after the !10:04
PriceyWhoops didn't realise that was needed.10:05
SeveasI've /silence'd aoirthoir10:05
Seveashe won't stop preaching how we are all unfair10:06
GazzaKlife is unfair10:07
stdinin #ubuntu "<-- aoirthoir has left this channel ("Leaving")." :)10:08
robapparently my story about Automatix was accepted by /. :)10:25
robhehe10:25
thoreauputicrob: aha! That should be interesting10:26
thoreauputic:)10:26
thoreauputicrob: is it up yet ?10:26
robI haven't seen it yet though, maybe it's the next one10:26
thoreauputick10:26
robIt's saying the next one will be avalible soon10:27
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nixternalPricey: he has messaged me10:32
nixternalhaha10:32
nixternal15:31:41 [    dem0n]  hey10:33
nixternal15:31:47 [    dem0n]  guess what10:33
nixternal15:32:41 [    dem0n]  Im in the channel gotta find me10:33
nixternal15:32:43 [    dem0n]  :D10:33
nixternalI wonder?10:33
robI hope his blog has plenty of bandwidth :)10:33
nixternalshhh10:33
nixternallast time someone said something like that, a poopstorm went off10:33
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nixternaldjdd is dem0n btw10:34
djddwait10:34
djddhow you know10:34
djdd:D thats only question before ban10:34
djddhow you know10:34
robhe is just good10:35
djddwell .... it was fun continue or wait for a new set of admins10:35
nixternaldo us all a favor, either a) grow up, or b) pull your bottom lip over your head and swallow...kthxbye10:35
Seveasinteresting10:35
djddhmm10:36
Seveaslet's call demon's abuse desk, I have a friend there :)10:36
djddstill havent awnserd10:36
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nixternalya, I heard that the other night on Comedy Central...I am far from original10:36
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nixternalI mean, if you are going to ban evade, don't make it so damn obvious10:36
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nixternalhell, his nick was in his hostname10:37
nixternal15:37:06 [    dem0n]  bet u wont find me this time10:37
Seveasmycat.demon.nl is just an adsl client10:37
Seveasmy hostname is seveas.demon.nl :)10:37
naliothdemon.nl is a large ISP10:37
Seveasdemon gives you your own subdomain on your connection10:37
nixternalI believe he is Gun Smoke in #kubuntu10:37
Seveasdemon doesn't exist anymore in nl10:37
Seveasjust taken over by xs4all10:38
Seveasbut the demon.nl still exists as name10:38
nixternalmaybe he isn't gun smoke, but that little pot smoker I just banned in #kubuntu10:40
nixternal15:42:03 [    dem0n]  ok ill make an agree ment10:42
nixternal15:42:10 [    dem0n]  u find me this time we done with this game10:42
nixternal15:42:20 [    dem0n]  because yall are boring10:42
nixternalhe thinks this is a game...what a M.O.R.O.N.10:43
PriceChildDon't mess with THE DMF CREW... 8-)10:43
nixternallol10:44
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Seveas<dem0n> ill make yall a deal10:44
Seveas<Seveas> you die and we live happily ever after?10:44
nixternallol10:44
Seveas<dem0n> nah yall find me this time and the game ends im already in aswell10:45
Seveas<Seveas> why do you think this is a game? Are you 7?10:45
Seveas<dem0n> nah10:45
Seveas<dem0n> at first it was fun10:45
Seveas<dem0n> now its boaring10:45
Seveas<Seveas> you never were fun, just annoying10:45
nixternalphoenixz?10:46
robya'know, you are just stirring him up more? :)10:46
Seveascouldn't resist10:47
SeveasI suck :)10:47
PriceChildI talked with him for an hour earlier... trying to calm him down etc. rob10:47
robhehe10:47
PriceChildIts not going to happen, he isn't going to change and I was wasting my time.10:47
nixternalI am just ignoring him..letting him fill up the pm window10:47
robah10:47
GazzaKPriceChild, good waste of time that was10:47
GazzaKhe will go to bed soon, the babysitter will make im10:48
PriceChildGazzaK, worth a try though10:48
nixternaldamn mIRC kiddies10:48
nixternalhahaha GazzaK10:48
Seveashe's not filling up my pm window, I think he got bored with me10:48
Seveasso I suck and am no fun10:48
GazzaKdo you really Seveas ?10:48
nixternalya, same here...he has been quiet now for a few minutes10:48
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PriceChildHe's been threatening to do a hostile takeover of freenode using their exposed ssh for about half an hour now :P10:48
Seveasfun10:48
PriceChild:(10:49
nixternalto bad you can't SSH from Windows properly ;D10:49
SeveasI'd like to see that, PriceChild10:49
Seveasnixternal, putty can do a decent job10:49
robPriceChild, who?10:49
Seveasrob, dem0n of course10:49
PriceChildrob dem0n10:49
nixternalya, putty is OK seeing as it is 100 years old10:49
PriceChildHe seemed to be really understanding at first... and agreeing that he had been in the wrong.10:49
nixternalshit, he is back10:50
nixternalshoot I mean10:50
nixternaland he just filled the hell out of my pm winder10:50
=== stdin didn't see nixternal swear, really...
Seveas<dem0n> dem0n> heres the deal10:50
Seveas<dem0n> <dem0n> find me this time the game ends u wont hear from me for a couple months10:50
Seveas<dem0n> <dem0n> how ever you have a time limit10:50
Seveas<dem0n> <dem0n> when i feel its time i start attacking the server and do a hostile take over and shut the server down lock every one out change root passwords etc untill they have to reinstall the distro10:50
Seveas<dem0n> <dem0n> now im against you10:50
Seveas<dem0n> <dem0n> good luck10:50
nixternal<dem0n> when i feel its time i start attacking the server and do a hostile take over and shut the server down lock every one out change root passwords etc untill they have to reinstall the distro10:50
Seveas<Seveas> ah, you indeed are a 7 year old10:50
Seveas<Seveas> good luck with the attack, don't waste your time by trying to humour us10:50
nixternalhahah, ya same thing here10:50
nixternalhey, you have enough incriminating evidence to report him to the authorities!10:51
Seveas<dem0n> obusly u dont know who i am a simple brute force on the ssh port that is open will reveal the attack so we will see who humors u10:51
GazzaKrespect mah authoriteeee10:51
nixternalhe is so 1337...I am frickin' scared man...somebody hold me10:51
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=== GazzaK holds nixternal :-D
nixternalbrute force on an ssh port? you have got to be kidding me10:52
nixternalSeveas: tell him that Wikipedia has wrong information :)10:52
Seveashehe10:52
SeveasI think he means trying to brute force the root password oslt10:52
nixternalI think his only chance is a dictionary attack, and if a big bad server such as Freenode is using port 22, then ummm..hello10:52
nixternalI used to love watching the dictionary attacks on my ssh server10:53
Seveas<Seveas> maybe you'll actually learn something useful to attack people if you read books or simply do some grwoing up10:53
PriceChildwww.artofhacking.com/tucops/hack/general/CRAX0R.PDF - one of his proudest pieces of work10:53
nixternallol10:53
nixternalanything with the name crax0r is so 1980s10:53
bbrazila DOS to compromise the system?10:55
Seveasomfg10:55
Seveasfrom the pdf:10:55
Seveas Server load DoS, attempts up to 3,000 GET / requests to a10:55
Seveas webserver. This DoS was discovered by me, and currently affects ALL10:55
Seveas Linux/UNIX systems running Apache webserver. My Linux box running10:55
Seveas RedHat 8.2 was knocked offline for two hours and eventually core-dumped10:55
Seveas due to this. It may also affect non-IIS webservers as well. Eventually, the10:55
Seveas system will overload and for some reason begins to connect to itself issuing,10:55
Seveas and sending requests, creating a network loop.10:55
bbrazilyeah, just saw that10:55
SeveasI almost fell over from laughing :)10:55
bbrazilnot our fault his server is badly tuned :)10:55
Seveas:)10:56
nixternal3,000 get requests == IP > hosts.deny, or whatever portsentry feels like doing on that day10:57
Seveascome on, if you can't take 3000 "GET /", then you suck10:57
Seveaslet's try it on my host10:57
bbrazilwell, it depends on how fast they come10:57
nixternalshoot, Comcast cable would fall apart at the seams10:57
bbrazil3k qps is not insunificant10:57
PriceChild<g4l> u have untill 5:1510:57
bbrazil*insignificant10:57
nixternalwell, now we know who the idiot is now :)10:58
bbrazilI love the 'command1' and 'tab 2'10:58
bbrazilbest of VB10:58
nixternalall he is doing is changing nicks, so he obviously has no clue how to ban evade10:58
GazzaKhow come these losers keep setting deadlines, a serious person would just do it10:58
GazzaKoh yeah, forgot, :p10:58
nixternal5:15? well that is 1hr and 17 minutes here in chicago10:58
PriceChildI think next time he evades... we should just ignore him.10:59
PriceChildIts not like he wants to make trouble in the channels10:59
PriceChildHe just wants to annoy us.10:59
nixternalhe doesn't even know how to evade10:59
Seveashmm, my load didn't change at all during 3000 parallel requests11:00
nixternal/nick g4l != evading ... wow, and I thought the people on America's Dumbest Criminals were lame...this guy takes the cake11:00
bbrazilSeveas: you using ab?11:00
Seveasload on the client did get higher though11:00
Seveasfor i in `seq 3000`; do11:00
Seveas    wget -O- http://blackbird >/dev/null 2>/dev/null &11:00
Seveasdone11:00
PriceChildHe's not exactly of the "calibre" to introduce a botnet so meh... good luck to him and lets move on?11:00
nixternalhaha, he is probably on dial up...if he does it..it will boot his connection...LOL11:00
bbrazilSeveas: use ab, designed for this11:00
nixternalPriceChild: if we move on, then this place becomes boring again :)11:01
Seveas!info ab11:01
ubotuPackage ab does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas11:01
Seveasbbrazil, info would be nice11:01
bbrazilSeveas: it's in apache-utils iirc11:01
Seveascrud, running 300000 parallel wgets slows down my system (the client) quite a bit :)11:02
bbrazilSeveas: so, how the 32k linux process limit liking you?11:03
Seveasdunno, killed the bastard11:03
Seveasprobably didn't reach the 32000 yet11:04
Seveasinstalling ab11:04
Seveaswith ab I notice apache being on top of top11:05
Seveasno load increase11:05
Seveas <g4l> ahh price exploited the exploiter u have 7 hours to find me and ban me o btw11:06
Seveas<g4l> 22/tcp   open   ssh11:06
Seveas<g4l> 873/tcp  closed rsync11:06
Seveas<g4l> 6666/tcp open   irc-serv11:06
Seveas<g4l> 6667/tcp open   irc11:06
Seveas<g4l> 7000/tcp open   afs3-fileserver11:06
Seveas<g4l> 7070/tcp open   realserver11:06
Seveas<g4l> 8000/tcp open   http-alt11:06
Seveasoh no, he knows nmap!11:06
Seveas</sarcasm>11:06
bbrazilhmm, this guy could be 4011:06
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naliothi'm so not worried about dem0n and his attempts11:08
Seveas<g4l> blahblah@blah blah:~$ ssh 207.158.1.15011:08
Seveas<g4l> The authenticity of host '207.158.1.150 (207.158.1.150)' can't be established.11:08
Seveas<g4l> RSA key fingerprint is 30:02:c1:95:4c:85:2b:ae:bf:22:f5:dd:2d:c3:3d:2c.11:08
Seveas<g4l> Are you sure you want to continue connecting (yes/no)? y11:08
Seveas<g4l> Please type 'yes' or 'no': yes11:08
Seveas<g4l> Warning: Permanently added '207.158.1.150' (RSA) to the list of known hosts.11:08
Seveas<g4l> Password:11:08
Seveas<Seveas> so you know nmap and ssh, what do you want to prove with that?11:08
Seveas<Seveas> You're not 7 but 8?11:08
Seveasdennis@mirage:~$ ab -n 30000 -c 100 http://blackbird/11:08
Seveasthat increased the load on my server from 0.02 to a whopping 0.0711:08
Seveas(0.07 was the peak, average is 0.04)11:09
Seveasnot beyond the noise range11:09
thoreauputic<g4l> Are you sure you want to continue connecting (yes/no)? y  <--really experineced with ssh too ;p11:09
SeveasBWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAA look at this:11:10
Seveas<g4l> root@c-207-158-1-150:/home/root#11:10
Seveas<Seveas> sure :)11:10
Seveas<Seveas> please read the wikipage on the fhs11:10
Seveas<Seveas> you made a very silly mistake11:10
stdinhehehe11:10
thoreauputichahaha11:10
SeveasI bet he's now wondering what an fhs is11:10
nixternalhaha11:10
bbrazilhmm, the phpbb on that website is only 2.0.611:11
nixternalssh'n into a server as root, that has got to be about as classic as one can get11:11
nixternalobviously he doesn't realize that 'ssh -lroot ip' or 'ssh root@ip' works11:11
Seveas(oh and don't forget that he ran ssh as normal user without using -lroot or root@ip)11:11
nixternalwhat a moron...hahahah, it would be class...if he connects, just reverse the love and destroy his fhs :)11:11
bbrazilcould be in his .ssh/config11:11
nixternals/class/classic11:12
nixternalbbrazil: he has no ideo about ~/.ssh/config yet..he is still reading wikipedia on it11:12
Seveasbbrazil, oh puhlease :)11:12
stdinname change to g5l now11:12
nixternalheh11:12
bbrazilI'm just wondering how to make this stuff into interview questions :)11:13
Seveaslol11:14
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PriceChildHello silent-shadow, how can we help you?11:15
silent-shadowhmm11:16
silent-shadowstill thinking about it11:16
silent-shadowafk a min11:16
nixternalisn't it past 5:15 somewhere? what are we all doing chatting on IRC? I thought there was a huge server hack coming :p11:16
thoreauputicnixternal: it's an illusion - none of us are actually here11:17
Seveasnixternal, it's 23:17 here11:17
nixternaloh...whew, so this is what it is liked to be hax0red11:17
nixternalya, but he didn't specify which 5:1511:17
bbrazilah, love it. Found a list of all the php exploits on the website11:17
Seveasnixternal, guess so. What an anticlimax11:17
Seveasnixternal, heh11:18
nixternalwhich is odd...because his domain is .nl11:18
thoreauputicnixternal: he's so clever he manages to fool us into thinking we are still connected11:18
Seveasthoreauputic, heh11:18
nixternalif he was talking like 17:15 somewhere in the world right now, that would place him on the east coast11:18
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nixternalhehe11:18
thoreauputicnalioth: now that would be an anticlimax :)11:19
Seveasnalioth, you're not nearly as clever as uber1337 h4x0r dem0n :p11:19
naliothSeveas: yes, i know.  i've gotten old and feeble11:19
thoreauputicnalioth: I might be in the market for a nice bridge though11:19
nixternalouch11:19
nixternalbad taste!11:19
Seveasnalioth, so how many servers have been compromised?11:19
nixternalSeveas: duh! all of them!11:20
thoreauputicnixternal: oh I didn't mean...11:20
Seveasof course11:20
nixternalthoreauputic: hehe11:20
Seveasanyway, silent-shadow, a nice target for you is the IPv6 address ::1 -- try it :)11:20
Seveasit'll be easily hackable11:21
naliothSeveas: infinty x 3 at last count11:21
nixternallol11:21
bbrazilnalioth: a superreal attack?11:21
bbrazilpeople don't get my math jokes :(11:22
nixternalheh11:22
PriceChildthe only thing funny about math jokes... is that you can't spell "maths" :P11:23
silent-shadowprice dem0n said pm him on nick g5l11:24
PriceChildyou said pm him... or dem0n said to pm him?11:24
nixternaltell dem0n to learn how to use Windows ME and his elite mIRC scripts before he passes another message our way :)11:24
Seveassilent-shadow, so you're now talking to yourself?11:25
silent-shadow..\11:25
thoreauputicsilent-shadow: ask dem0n if he has looked up fhs yet11:25
nixternalhahahahahahahahaha11:25
Seveas:)11:25
nixternaland fhs != f'n high school, which he still has 5 years until then11:26
silent-shadowhe said no and im not ttalking to my self im just the messanger boy but brb im helping some one11:26
Seveasnixternal, *g*11:26
stdintell him root's home is actually C:\Documents and Settings\Root :)11:26
nixternalor fhs could == 'fake hacker syndrome' which it seems he has11:26
nixternalhahahahahaha11:26
thoreauputicstdin: heheh11:26
nixternalstdin: wait a sec!!! how do you know that :)11:26
silent-shadowah nah he isnt fake11:27
=== stdin us uber1337 you know
Seveasif you're the messenger, why do you abbreviate PriceChild as price, just like dem0n did? Or behave the exact same way? Or why are you just as stupid?11:27
nixternalBUSTED!11:27
bbrazilhow's victoria this time of year?11:27
Seveassilent-shadow, I'm going to repeat the advise nixternal gave you earlier: do us all a favor, either a) grow up, or b) pull your bottom lip over your head and swallow...kthxbye11:28
nixternal<ahnold voice>who is your daddy and what does he do?</ahnold voice>11:28
nixternalhahah Seveas11:28
silent-shadow... when did nix tell me that?11:28
Seveassilent-shadow, actually, forget option a), you'll never achieve that11:28
silent-shadow... when did nix tell me that?11:28
stdinthe 2nd one would be fun to watch too11:28
nixternalya it would11:29
Seveasyeah11:29
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nixternalI think Wanda Sikes (sp?) said that11:29
nixternalPriceChild: damnit, this was getting fun! :)11:29
PriceChild*yawns and grins*11:29
Seveashaven't had that much fun in a while11:29
nixternallol11:29
PriceChilda the same time!!!!!!!!11:29
PriceChild*at11:29
Seveas(on irc that is)11:29
PriceChildlol Seveas11:29
thoreauputicPriceChild: you robbed us of the chance to learn all the 133t skillz !!11:29
PriceChildnice save11:29
Seveasthen again, haven't been on irc much in a while :)11:29
stdinit fun to annoy the haz0r kiddies :)11:30
nixternalSeveas: what a "welcome back" present then ey :)11:30
GazzaKi'll give ya a welcome back pressie :-)11:30
Seveasgood change after seeing aoirthoir being hase same old annoying self11:30
SeveasGazzaK, I expected a welcome back kiss from you :p11:30
nixternalahhh, how cute11:31
=== GazzaK kisses Seveas (with tongues)
Seveasnext time, shave before you do that!11:32
PriceChildmore than one? :O11:32
GazzaKPriceChild, his and mine11:32
GazzaKSeveas, I shaved the other day, beardy gone11:32
SeveasPriceChild, GazzaK is the twenty-tongued monster!11:33
=== nixternal pukes
Seveashomophobic or fear for the 20-tongued monster?11:34
GazzaKcome troll in #GayGeeks we have not had a decent homophobic troll for months11:35
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Seveashehe11:35
stdinGazzaK: not true11:35
GazzaKa decent one stdin11:35
stdinoh, ok :)11:35
GazzaK:-)11:35
Seveasstupid trolls are there on a daily basis, I assume11:35
Seveashomophobia is still a widespread disease11:36
GazzaKlol @ PriceChild11:37
Seveasque?11:37
stdinheh, PriceChild got told11:37
GazzaK* lucky sets ban on *!n=pricechi@*.supporter.student.PriceChild11:37
GazzaK[22:36]   * lucky has kicked PriceChild from #gaygeeks (don't autojoin like that)11:37
GazzaKhahahaaa11:37
nixternalSeveas: good question...I never seen myself as homophobic, but I am sure I would fear a 20-tongued monster11:37
Seveasah :)11:37
GazzaKyour trolling skills are rubbish pricey11:37
PriceChildI apologise :(11:37
GazzaKhehe11:37
Seveasnixternal, hehe11:38
bbrazilkeep to trolling trolls11:38
PriceChild*wonders whether to remove the autorejoin from chanserv.py*11:38
SeveasGazzaK, so, still no decent trolls in there11:38
nixternalI will have to ask my cousin...he is the funniest cast of turning gay, or coming out...I do pick on him quite a bit, but it is in all fun11:38
nixternals/cast/case11:38
SeveasI pick on GazzaK a lot as well. But that's not because he's gay, he's simply GazzaK11:39
GazzaKI did not come out of the closet, I blew it up, allegedly11:39
nixternallol11:39
Seveasrofl11:39
ompaulGazzaK, they had not made the closet that could hold you.11:39
Seveas*suppresses the urge to make homophobic "blew" joke*11:39
nixternalholy smokes...I had no clue that channel was for real11:39
GazzaKSeveas, you pick on me, because in secret, you fancy me11:39
SeveasGazzaK, that's no secret :)11:40
nixternalI heard people talk of it and thought they were kidding11:40
nixternalhaha, you two need to take it to ##gaygeeks-asl  <-- asl..gahahahaha, that is classic11:40
stdinI so wanted you to say "batman" after "holy smokes" :p11:40
nixternalI usually do stdin11:41
nixternalgot lazy on that one11:41
Seveasnixterbatman11:44
GazzaKnixternal, people thought that just 'cos it was a gay channel it was okay to be rude in it, so they had to make the -asl channel11:46
nixternalahhh11:46
Seveasis anyone actually in there?11:46
nixternalrude as in "freaky talk" or bashing rude?11:46
Seveas(the -asl one)11:46
nixternal6 users11:46
PriceChildgazzak invited me in once...11:46
stdinthat channel would make GazzaK blush sometimes :p11:47
GazzaKyeah, I normally stay out of it11:48
GazzaKasl has 36 users11:48
GazzaKnixternal, one #11:48
nixternaloh, I just searched it on netsplit.de11:49
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