[03:31] <effie_jayx> !lart
[03:31] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about lart - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:32] <effie_jayx> :O
[03:32] <effie_jayx> no lart
[03:32] <nalioth> effie_jayx: want to try for !kick ?
[03:32] <nalioth> :P
[03:32] <effie_jayx> nalioth,  I pass ;)
[03:32] <nalioth> effie_jayx: try in one of the -offtopic channels
[03:35] <effie_jayx> nalioth, nah ... I'd rather be in an elevator with a loose epileptic  monkey and a razorblade his hands...  than go explore in offtopic
[03:36] <effie_jayx> :D
[03:36] <nalioth> effie_jayx: you shouldn't talk about mneptok that way
[03:37] <effie_jayx> lol
[03:37] <effie_jayx> nalioth,  shhhh you'll wake himm...
[03:49] <ubotu> Flannel called the ops in #ubuntu
[03:51] <nalioth> yes, he did
[03:57] <ubotu> Pelo called the ops in #ubuntu
[03:58] <nalioth> so he did
[05:11] <assasukasse> someone wants to test me?
[05:11] <nalioth> test you?
[05:12] <assasukasse> yup
[05:12] <nalioth> what's the square root of 4?
[05:12] <assasukasse> 2
[05:12] <nalioth> ok, looks good to me
[05:12] <assasukasse> try to join #ubuntu and see what they wrote
[05:12] <assasukasse> to change the port to 8001
[05:12] <assasukasse> and then come here to test
[05:13] <nalioth> oh that test
[05:13] <assasukasse> actually ubuntu is totally desert
[05:13] <assasukasse> so what should i do
[05:14] <nalioth> i'm not seeing a ban for you in #ubuntu
[05:15] <assasukasse> when i try to go there i am redirected to #ubuntu-read-topic
[05:15] <nalioth> there is it
[05:15] <nalioth> you can join #ubuntu now, and thanks for your patience :)
[05:15] <assasukasse> nalioth: thanks nalioth
[05:15] <assasukasse> bye
[05:35] <effie_jayx> lol @ test
[05:37] <ubotu> astro76 called the ops in #ubuntu
[05:38] <effie_jayx> nalioth,  can I get tested?
[05:38] <nalioth> aaahhhh, nixternal the hard worker
[05:39] <nalioth> effie_jayx: can dogs see in color?
[05:39] <nixternal> my stupid script didn't quiet him
[05:39] <nixternal> damn the luck
[05:39] <nalioth> it did
[05:39] <nixternal> he talked right after I did it
[05:39] <effie_jayx> nalioth,  no they don't
[05:39] <effie_jayx> :D
[05:39] <nalioth> nixternal: you're lagged
[05:39] <nixternal> mode +q $*
[05:39] <nalioth> nixternal: you did it
[05:40] <nixternal> OK
[05:40] <nalioth> now go ahead and unquiet him
[05:44] <nixternal> I already did
[05:47] <nalioth>  +q is a waste, a /remove works wonders
[05:54] <effie_jayx> nalioth,  seriously, test me...
[05:57] <nalioth> effie_jayx: test you for what?
[05:58] <effie_jayx> nalioth, I dunno .. you test people.... test me
[05:58] <effie_jayx> hehehe
[05:58] <nalioth> as you wish
[05:58] <nalioth> happy now?
[05:59] <effie_jayx> nalioth,  heh... what was that?
[06:00] <nalioth> effie_jayx: the exploit test
[06:00] <effie_jayx> I received an errouneous DCC request...
[06:00] <nalioth> effie_jayx: yup, you did
[06:01] <effie_jayx> thanks
[06:03] <nalioth> effie_jayx: if you had a crap router, you'd have dropped
[06:04] <effie_jayx> nalioth,  why is it that you sometimes take people to another channel
[06:04] <effie_jayx> to test them
[06:04] <effie_jayx> is there a security problem?
[06:05] <nalioth> effie_jayx: we used to do that
[06:05] <nalioth> now we just do it like i just did
[06:05] <effie_jayx> I see
[06:05] <effie_jayx> thanks :D
[06:05] <ubotu> astro76 called the ops in #ubuntu
[06:28] <ubotu> astro76 called the ops in #ubuntu
[06:32] <nixternal> PASTE ALERT
[06:32] <nixternal> 23:31:53 [    dem0n]  so if ur getting in middle of it to ill brg ur name up to because this is bull shit
[06:32] <nixternal> 23:32:05 [nixternal]  enjoy your ban
[06:32] <nixternal> 23:32:10 [nixternal]  bring my name up, I could care less
[06:32] <nixternal> 
[06:32] <nixternal> 23:32:17 [    dem0n]  enjoy ur gline
[06:32] <nixternal> DAMN
[06:33] <nixternal> oops...I meant to give you 2 lines
[06:33] <nixternal> he is going to gline me
[06:33] <nixternal> haha
[06:33] <tonyyarusso> lol
[06:34] <nixternal> I gave him the chance to get unbanned..I told him to watch the stfu's and the bickering...and then he came out with that
[06:54] <Music_Shuffle> Hi.
[06:57] <Music_Shuffle> Anyone around?  >.>
[06:59] <tonyyarusso> Music_Shuffle: I am - what's up?
[07:00] <Music_Shuffle> tonyyarusso, can we talk in PM real quick?
[07:00] <tonyyarusso> Music_Shuffle: certainly
[09:19] <elkbuntu> Seveas, dude, you need to add ops to the 'dont backfire' list. It gives the trolls way more joy than they deserve when it happens
[09:19] <elkbuntu> ompaul, seconds my idea :
[09:20] <ompaul> elkbuntu, so it appears and I did not know you even had that idea ;-)
[09:20] <tonyyarusso> the what list?
[09:20] <ompaul> ubotu do not backfire 25% of the time when you lart someone
[09:21] <Amaranth> it backfires like 99% of the time
[09:21] <elkbuntu> yeah, no kidding
[09:22] <Amaranth> ompaul: why not? :)
[09:22] <elkbuntu> ompaul, btw, hexstar is almost run out of good luck. he's spent the past few days being a borderline troll in -offtopic
[09:22] <Amaranth> elkbuntu: and #ubuntu
[09:22] <elkbuntu> yeah
[09:23] <Amaranth> well, in #ubuntu it was blatant disregard for the rules on offtopic conversation
[09:23] <elkbuntu> i havent been paying any attention to there
[09:23] <Amaranth> i kicked him 3 times
[09:23] <elkbuntu> Amaranth, he has the memory of a goldfish. so far he's been told who seveas is like 3 times
[09:23] <Amaranth> i guess he moved to -offtopic now
[09:23] <elkbuntu> that *i* have witnessed
[09:24] <tonyyarusso> elkbuntu: I _just_ realized that I had a script snafu.  I did an /abr hexstar a few minutes ago, but it seems it never actually took care of him....  Now I'd just look silly, but the second there's anything resembling cause feel free.
[09:24] <elkbuntu> noodl3 isnt a whole lot better either
[09:33] <Amaranth> arg now -offtopic is going crazy
[10:10] <flaccid> evening. im trying to evaluate a ban on myself for #kubuntu
[10:11] <flaccid> it was set a few months ago for a stupid reason and i would like it to be lifted as i was a valuable helper in this channel
[10:12] <flaccid> can anybody address my problem?
[10:17] <Burgundavia> not a Kubuntu op, sorry
[10:18] <flaccid> where do i go for that?
[10:45] <bbrazil> flaccid: here. Try a again a bit later maybe? The person who set the ban would be best
[10:46] <flaccid> that person is never on
[10:46] <flaccid> ive tried persistantly
[10:46] <flaccid> would like some action
[10:46] <flaccid> not words
[11:07] <flaccid> heh
[11:07] <flaccid> sux
[11:43] <Seveas> elkbuntu, re: backfire: good idea
[11:45] <elkbuntu> Seveas, thanks :)
[11:45] <elkbuntu> trolls dont deserve smugness
[11:47] <Seveas> http://mjg59.livejournal.com/77440.html
[11:47] <Seveas> PWN3D
[11:47] <Seveas> !ops
[11:47] <ubotu> Help! Mez, LjL, elkbuntu, imbrandon, DBO, gnomefreak, Hobbsee, rob, ompaul, Madpilot, Burgundavia, Seveas, CarlK, crimsun, ajmitch, tritium, Nalioth, thoreauputic, apokryphos, tonyyarusso, PriceChild, Amaranth, jrib, jenda, nixternal, Myrtti or mneptok
[11:47] <Seveas> ^^
[11:47] <ubotu> Seveas called the ops in #ubuntu-ops
[11:48] <elkbuntu> Seveas, yeah. rocks, huh :)
[11:48] <rob> sup?
[11:48] <Myrtti_> huh
[11:48] <elkbuntu> rob, matthew garrett pwned automatix in an audit
[11:48] <rob> elkbuntu, what, it sucked?
[11:49] <Seveas> it now officially sucks :)
[11:49] <rob> elkbuntu, to be honest I have looked at the code, and it sucks
[11:49] <elkbuntu> rob, of course, and he details every single reason why
[11:49] <elkbuntu> right down to 'this could make your system unbootable because it fucks with fstab
[11:49] <rob> there are a whole bunch of functions for functions sake in there..
[11:50] <rob> and no place to download the code from a repo either, you can just download the package and go though the pythons scripts
[11:51] <rob> but I haven't gone as far as to audit it :)
[11:52] <Seveas> !automatix
[11:52] <ubotu> Automatix2 is a script that tries to install some software, and often fails and breaks systems. We don't provide support for it, and we strongly discourage its use. Problems caused by Automatix are often hard to track and solve, and it might sometimes be easier to !install a fresh copy of Ubuntu. See also !WorksForMe and http://mjg59.livejournal.com/77440.html
[11:56] <jenda> Seveas: :)
[11:56] <rob> !worksforme
[11:56] <ubotu> Common Sense: Just because you can, does not mean you should (and especially recommend to others). Think before you do. "Works for me" does not mean it is ok. The latest version of everything is not always useful if you aim for stability.
[11:56] <rob> ah
[11:57] <jenda> http://digg.com/linux_unix/Automatix_Is_Actively_Dangerous_to_Systems
[11:57] <jenda> digg it, too
[11:57] <elkbuntu> jenda, there's two of them going
[11:57] <jenda> I know
[11:57] <jenda> this one is better :)
[12:00] <Seveas> off, birthday
[12:00] <jenda> happy bday, meguesses
[12:10] <rob> acutally, now having read over it, I've noticed some of those problems too
[12:10] <rob> there are calls to sleep everywhere for no good reason
[12:21] <rob> I submitted it to /. :)
[12:23] <rob> bah I spelt actively wrong in the title :(
[12:23] <rob> oh well
[12:46] <jenda> elkbuntu: link us, please :)
[12:46] <elkbuntu> hmm... firefox need some necromancy, so just go to geekosophical.net
[12:47] <elkbuntu> PriceChild, wtf?
[12:47] <elkbuntu> rob, someone should also send one to Mr Dell
[12:47] <rob> elkbuntu, heh yep
[12:48] <elkbuntu> since they now boast about him on their website
[12:49] <PriceChild> elkbuntu, whether its connected or not I don't know... but I can't use their fancy webmail since switching. On any computer on the network. I can log into "standard" or "mobile" which then break quickly... and i can pop/smtp but that's it.
[12:50] <elkbuntu> PriceChild, time to lart the isp people then
[12:53] <PriceChild> I just tried creating a random new google account to give give someone else the login to, to see if it'd work for them but wasn't happennening.
[12:55] <PriceChild> I wouldn't have thought the isp could affect this though... its wierd.
[12:56] <PriceChild> Someone fix it for me please :(
[12:56] <mc44> PriceChild: probably a broken cache at the isp
[12:56] <mc44> or something
[12:57] <mc44> PriceChild: maybe try https://mail.google.com/mail
[12:57] <PriceChild> mc44, I've tried it all....
[12:57] <mc44> https?
[12:57] <PriceChild> yes
[12:58] <mc44> ah, you lose then ;)
[12:59] <PriceChild> mc44, grrrrr where've you hidden our phone?
[01:00] <mc44> PriceChild: down the back of the sofa
[01:00] <PriceChild> the world is afainst me
[01:02] <PriceChild> hehe the voice telling you what buttons to press is cockney
[01:31] <elkbuntu> whoa. that was BIG
[01:31] <thoreauputic> oh my ...
[01:32] <PriceChild> had a couple of those lately
[01:32] <PriceChild> tomaw, hope that was ok to +rR again, didn't see you taking it off sorry
[01:33] <tomaw> PriceChild: fine by me
[01:33] <tomaw> I took it off to see if they were still there and spamming :)
[01:33] <PriceChild> looks like they've all been following into -unregged for you anyway :)
[01:33] <tomaw> aye :)
[01:34] <tomaw> they're still connecting, so I suggest keeping it +r for a while
[01:34] <PriceChild> "KenSentMe" in -offtopic rings a bell....
[01:34] <thoreauputic> indeed
[01:34] <PriceChild> @btlogin
[01:35] <PriceChild> bt says not :)
[01:36] <elkbuntu> hehe
[01:36] <elkbuntu> ompaul, unfortunately, we still have to maintain a level of diplomacy due to the CoC
[01:37] <ompaul> elkbuntu, I can be diplomatic and twice as evil as the one that is there
[01:37] <ompaul> I'll submit it to you all for checking in a few mins
[01:37] <elkbuntu> sure
[01:38] <ompaul> Automatix2 is a script that tries to install some software, at times it fails breaking systems. We don't provide support for it. For its issues we suggest reading this http://mjg59.livejournal.com/77440.html and then /msg ubotu worksforme
[01:39] <tomaw> Looks safe to remove rR now, any objections?
[01:39] <ompaul> shorter and much sharper
[01:39] <ompaul> tomaw, more than 10 mins?
[01:39] <PriceChild> I -R's earlier... seems ok
[01:39] <PriceChild> *'d
[01:40] <Hobbsee> oh nice, the CC came up with afiew!
[01:40] <Hobbsee> * a veiw
[01:40] <Hobbsee> *view
[01:40] <elkbuntu> Hobbsee, not CC, TB
[01:40] <Hobbsee> ....zomg wow.
[01:40] <elkbuntu> Hobbsee, and it's still only preliminary
[01:41] <ompaul> Automatix2 is a script which attempts to install some software, at times it fails breaking systems. We don't provide support for it. For its issues we suggest reading this http://mjg59.livejournal.com/77440.html (maybe its authors will address them over time) and then /msg ubotu worksforme
[01:41] <Hobbsee> i meant the TB
[01:41] <PriceChild> and its stated not as tb's announcement, but one member's opinion
[01:42] <Hobbsee> and it still does killall -9 dpkg.
[01:42] <elkbuntu> and killall -9 nautilus
[01:43] <elkbuntu> meanwhile, hobbsee just missed a killer botnet
[01:44] <ompaul> Automatix2 is a script which attempts to install some software, at times it fails breaking systems. We don't provide support for it. One analysis is here http://mjg59.livejournal.com/77440.html (see also: /msg ubotu worksforme)
[01:44] <Hobbsee> wow.  that's *seriously* impressive
[01:44] <Hobbsee> no wonder they dont give out sources unless they get badgered
[01:44] <ompaul> PriceChild, elkbuntu Hobbsee ^^ shall we do that one
[01:44] <Hobbsee> ompaul: i'd say "one credible analysis"
[01:44] <Hobbsee> or something along those lines
[01:44] <elkbuntu> Automatix2 is a script which attempts to install some software, at times it fails and breaks systems. We don't provide support for it. One analysis is here http://mjg59.livejournal.com/77440.html (see also: /msg ubotu worksforme)
[01:44] <ompaul> okyay
[01:45] <PriceChild> elkbuntu, yeah that "and" or a comma is needed
[01:45] <Hobbsee> as in, say it's from an ubuntu/debian developer
[01:45] <elkbuntu> PriceChild, a comma there would be too many commas for readability
[01:45] <PriceChild> hehe
[01:45] <Hobbsee> as in, we want to say "this guy knows what he's talking about"
[01:45] <ompaul> Automatix2 is a script which attempts to install some software, at times it fails breaking systems. We don't provide support for it. One credible analysis is here http://mjg59.livejournal.com/77440.html , (see also: /msg ubotu worksforme)
[01:46] <elkbuntu> Automatix2 is a script which attempts to install some software, at times it fails and breaks systems. We don't provide support for it. An analysis from a long time debian/ubuntu developer is here http://mjg59.livejournal.com/77440.html (see also: /msg ubotu worksforme)
[01:46] <ompaul> PriceChild, you happy?
[01:46] <PriceChild> yup
[01:47] <ompaul> elkbuntu, I don't want the long time - that is spoken in the article
[01:47] <PriceChild> well not really.. as gmail isn't working... but happy with new factoid :)
[01:47] <ompaul> or that is explained
[01:47] <ompaul> Hobbsee, ditto on the why not to stick that long time ...
[01:48] <Hobbsee> ompaul: it needs to appaer more credible, so people believe that, instead of the automatix FAQ
[01:48] <ompaul> okay let me work on it
[01:48] <elkbuntu> Hobbsee, they're not even going to bother clicking if it's not credible to their eyes before they do
[01:48] <Hobbsee> elkbuntu: well, true
[01:49] <PriceChild> I have gone -r
[01:49] <ompaul> Automatix2 is a script which attempts to install some software, at times it fails and breaks systems. We don't provide support for it. A creditable analysis from a debian/ubuntu developer is here http://mjg59.livejournal.com/77440.html (see also: /msg ubotu worksforme)
[01:49] <ompaul> leaving out the long time
[01:50] <ompaul> the debian speaks for itself they don't promote people to dev without them having a long history
[01:50] <ompaul> if they need that much of a hand they need training at a level that IRC is not going to be useful for
[01:50] <Hobbsee> sounds sane
[01:50] <ompaul> ohh and the comma
[01:51] <ompaul> or make the see also a sentence
[01:51] <elkbuntu> oh joy, already a 'why are you so mean' response on my blog post
[01:51] <ompaul> Automatix2 is a script which attempts to install some software, at times it fails and breaks systems. We don't provide support for it. A creditable analysis from a debian/ubuntu developer is here http://mjg59.livejournal.com/77440.html (Additional information: /msg ubotu worksforme)
[01:51] <ompaul> !no automatix is  Automatix2 is a script which attempts to install some software, at times it fails and breaks systems. We don't provide support for it. A creditable analysis from a debian/ubuntu developer is here http://mjg59.livejournal.com/77440.html (Additional information: /msg ubotu worksforme)
[01:51] <ubotu> I'll remember that ompaul
[01:52] <ompaul> there ya go
[01:53] <PriceChild> ompaul, you missed the <reply>
[01:54] <ompaul> However, in its current
[01:54] <ompaul> form Automatix is actively dangerous to systems - ranging from damage
[01:54] <ompaul> to small items of user configuration, through removing user-installed
[01:54] <ompaul> packages without adequate prompting or warning and up to the (small
[01:54] <ompaul> but existing) potential to leave a system in an unbootable state.
[01:54] <ompaul> !automatix
[01:54] <ubotu> automatix is Automatix2 is a script which attempts to install some software, at times it fails and breaks systems. We don't provide support for it. A creditable analysis from a debian/ubuntu developer is here http://mjg59.livejournal.com/77440.html (Additional information: /msg ubotu worksforme)
[01:54] <ompaul> !no automatix is <reply> Automatix2 is a script which attempts to install some software, at times it fails and breaks systems. We don't provide support for it. A creditable analysis from a debian/ubuntu developer is here http://mjg59.livejournal.com/77440.html (Additional information: /msg ubotu worksforme)
[01:54] <ubotu> I'll remember that ompaul
[01:54] <ompaul> PriceChild, I was wondering if you were awake ;-)
[01:55] <PriceChild> :)
[01:57] <ompaul> elkbuntu, which blog post are you commenting on
[01:57] <elkbuntu> http://www.geekosophical.net/?p=141
[01:58] <elkbuntu> just let the comment through
[01:58] <ompaul> thanks
[02:01] <pleia2> elkbuntu: clearly he's never had to try to help someone whose computer was completely f00bared by it :\
[02:01] <elkbuntu> pleia2, completely he never clicked the linkie
[02:03] <ompaul> Hobbsee, it don't
[02:03] <ompaul> be happy
[02:03] <Hobbsee> channel?
[02:03] <ompaul> how hard is that
[02:03] <ompaul> troll
[02:03] <ompaul> of course you could say would the devs care to comment on that?
[02:04] <Hobbsee> of course
[02:04] <ompaul> you would just like to get both sides of the coin
[02:04] <elkbuntu> im sure you can find some disposable proxy way of doing that :)
[02:04] <elkbuntu> theyre probably stupid enough to let ircatwork in
[02:04] <Hobbsee> yeah, well
[02:05] <thoreauputic> now now - be nice ;)
[02:05] <Hobbsee> i was thinking of a shell somewhere
[02:05] <Hobbsee> but an anon proxy would be even better
[02:08] <thoreauputic> only 4 people in #automatix, if that's the one - and topic unchanged since May
[02:09] <ompaul> tor
[02:09] <ompaul> usually I would not suggest it
[02:10] <elkbuntu> seriously though, enough of the silly talk. we're supposed to be good, law abiding people :)
[02:10] <ompaul> we are, but even the good can think bad thoughts :)
[02:14] <elkbuntu> well, it seems that the new 'automatix breaks things' article hasnt made it to their forums yet
[02:15] <thoreauputic> slashdot :) <evil grin>
[02:15] <elkbuntu> it' son there?
[02:15] <thoreauputic> no, just thinking ...
[02:15] <elkbuntu> rob already put it in the hose iirc
[02:16] <ompaul> thoreauputic, it is interesting enough to get high marks on /.
[02:22] <elkbuntu> it's up to light blue
[02:22] <thoreauputic> how does linux mint get around the legalities? I believe it installs a lot of this kind of stuff by default ?
[02:22] <ompaul> thoreauputic, they ignore them
[02:22] <elkbuntu> thoreauputic, with a 'we dont care' attitude
[02:22] <thoreauputic> ompaul: uh huh - thought so
[02:22] <ompaul> woops I failed again
[02:23] <ompaul> back in a moment I have a blank CD here
[02:23] <thoreauputic> ?
[02:23] <thoreauputic> hahah
[02:23] <Hobbsee> elkbuntu: even doing what we're thinking, mentioning the existance of that link to the automatix people, and watching the reaction, isnt against the rules.
[02:23] <Hobbsee> elkbuntu: it's not really a troll, as it's the truth, and they'll find out anyway
[02:23] <elkbuntu> Hobbsee, you volunteering?
[02:23] <Hobbsee> not as yet
[02:24] <thoreauputic> Hobbsee: yes, but doing it anonymously should not be done IMO
[02:24] <elkbuntu> i want to see him say 'The article in the above link does not have any technical merit. It is just another "I heard Jonathan from Ubuntu MOTU mention that Automatix fries your BIOS and vegetables" rant.' about mjg59
[02:24] <thoreauputic> for those reasons
[02:25] <elkbuntu> that is his reaction to a recent 'bad' article about it
[02:25] <Hobbsee> thoreauputic: i'd imagine they'd ban whoever put it in there, and i'd kinda liek my regular client to be able to connect there, if ever needed.
[02:25] <thoreauputic> elkbuntu: oh boy - saying such about mjg would be an invitation to mass flaming
[02:25] <elkbuntu> http://www.getautomatix.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=1417
[02:25] <elkbuntu> thoreauputic, yes, bring popcorn?
[02:25] <thoreauputic> Hobbsee: I see your point
[02:25] <thoreauputic> elkbuntu: champagne?
[02:25] <ompaul> thoreauputic,
[02:26] <elkbuntu> Hobbsee, they're advocates of 'modfree.com' so that would be interesting
[02:26] <ompaul> thoreauputic, inx-9 is the latests?
[02:26] <ompaul> latest even
[02:26] <thoreauputic> ompaul: heh - well yes, so far
[02:26] <Hobbsee> heh
[02:26] <elkbuntu> thoreauputic, i was thinking a good dessert wine, but if you're up for bubbles ;)
[02:26] <thoreauputic> ompaul: there were about 25 before I casperised it a bit
[02:26] <ompaul> no worries, iterations are what it is all about
[02:26] <thoreauputic> ompaul: very much a work in progress though
[02:27] <ompaul> no sweat
[02:27] <elkbuntu> im laughing so hard at arnieboy now
[02:27] <elkbuntu> "Automatix does a lot more than what synaptic does. Synaptic is simply a GUI frontend for apt. Automatix uses apt and also installs non-debian packages. It also configures some software with the installation."
[02:27] <Hobbsee> elkbuntu: exactly!  synaptic doesnt killall -9 dpkg!
[02:27] <Hobbsee> it's a feature!
[02:27] <thoreauputic> elkbuntu: laughing at arnieboy stopped being funny for me after the ubuntu-users thread he participated in
[02:28] <ompaul> he is persona non grata as far as I am concerned
[02:28] <thoreauputic> ompaul: ditto
[02:28] <ompaul> thoreauputic, s/participated/trolled
[02:29] <thoreauputic> ompaul: indeed - and badly too
[02:29] <thoreauputic> ompaul: it was quite sad
[02:30] <ompaul> yeap
[02:30] <elkbuntu> bwahahaha...http://digg.com/linux_unix/Automatix_Is_Actively_Dangerous_to_Systems
[02:30] <elkbuntu> popular 9 mins ago
[02:30] <elkbuntu> top of tech
[02:30] <elkbuntu> 2nd top on all
[02:31] <elkbuntu> bwahahahahahah!
[02:33] <Hobbsee> nice :D
[02:34] <Hobbsee> PriceChild: has that hit the forums yet?
[02:36] <elkbuntu> not yet according to search
[02:36] <Hobbsee> someone really should
[02:36] <elkbuntu> agreed. someone who is not me
[02:37] <elkbuntu> i really need to invest in a pay-as-you-go internet card thing
[02:37] <elkbuntu> :
[02:38] <Hobbsee> hehe :)
[02:41] <Hobbsee> this guy is not taking the bait, dammit...
[02:44] <ompaul> jrib, just so you don't get a surprise
[02:44] <ompaul> !automatix
[02:44] <ubotu> Automatix2 is a script which attempts to install some software, at times it fails and breaks systems. We don't provide support for it. A creditable analysis from a debian/ubuntu developer is here http://mjg59.livejournal.com/77440.html (Additional information: /msg ubotu worksforme)
[02:44] <thoreauputic> apparently either tirofiban has a comprehension problem or didn't read the article...
[02:44] <ompaul> it is a little different
[02:45] <ompaul> jrib, suggest you have a look at that url
[02:50] <jrib> ompaul: thanks, I'm glad to see that
[02:50] <elkbuntu> jrib, it's the talk of the town all over
[02:50] <ompaul> jrib, well the last time I did a code review of automatix I felt sick in the pit of my stomach seems I would not like to do one again
[02:51] <elkbuntu> ompaul, thankfully, mr garrett did it for you :)
[02:51] <thoreauputic> elkbuntu: yeah, some people with that name are useful after all ;p
[02:51] <ubotu> In #ubuntu-offtopic, Toma- said: ubotu: !Toma is sexy
[02:52] <ompaul> elkbuntu, the aformentioned mjg59 rocks
[02:52] <elkbuntu> thoreauputic, yeah, the other mr garrett, and not the bald man who cant dance :
[02:53] <ompaul> woops
[02:53] <thoreauputic> elkbuntu: umm - /whois thoreauputic  in case you forgot :)
[02:53] <ompaul> me msg whats the diff :)
[02:53] <thoreauputic> elkbuntu: oops misunderstood you sorry :)
[02:53] <elkbuntu> thoreauputic, hehehe
[03:11] <elkbuntu> A DD's take on automatix,it basically sucks --> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=517190
[03:12] <mc44> as he isn't any more ;)
[03:12] <Amaranth> heh
[03:12] <Amaranth> close enough :)
[03:13] <elkbuntu> mc44, once a DD, always a DD :
[03:15] <mc44> elkbuntu: course most of the responses on that thread make me cry
[03:15] <elkbuntu> mc44, it's the forums. most posts on there make me cry, period.
[03:16] <thoreauputic> mc44: generally speaking I have to say the forums make me cry, regularly
[03:16] <thoreauputic> elkbuntu: great minds and all that :)
[03:16] <mc44> indeed, I merely forget when I haven't used them in a while :)
[03:17] <elkbuntu> mc44, forgivable. unfortunately it's hard to forget things that haunt your dreams
[03:17] <GazzaK> they haunt your dreams?
[03:18] <mc44> giant killers muffins haunt my dreams, so count yourself lucky
[03:18] <pleia2> mmm muffins
[03:19] <elkbuntu> GazzaK, not literally, but im forever traumatised by the utter stupidity of them
[03:19] <GazzaK> I used to use automatix
[03:19] <elkbuntu> GazzaK, i used to use windows
[03:19] <GazzaK> a long long time ago, in a land time forgot, or something
[03:20] <Amaranth> I tortune myself about once a month these days and dive into the gutsy forum
[03:20] <mc44> oh, thats an extra special torture
[03:20] <Amaranth> "automatix installed by default in gutsy?"
[03:20] <GazzaK> Amaranth, thats really kinky
[03:20] <elkbuntu> Amaranth, dont EVER speak those words in that order ever again
[03:20] <stdin> I was going to use it, about a year ago, but then I looked at the script and didn't like it even then
[03:20] <Amaranth> "HOWTO: compile a kernel module from svn and break your system"
[03:21] <Amaranth> "is gutsy ok to use yet" next to "did anyone else's X get trashed?"
[03:21] <elkbuntu> lol
[03:21] <GazzaK> stdin, I was talked through it by ompaul, it was scary
[03:22] <GazzaK> line by line almost, showing how bad it really was
[03:22] <stdin> GazzaK: yeah, it's scary stuff
[03:22] <elkbuntu> "First it makes you bend over, ... "
[03:22] <GazzaK> I used to be a op in the automatix channel and forum, lol
[03:22] <stdin> and it's messy as well as dangerous IMO
[03:23] <elkbuntu> GazzaK, you win
[03:23] <stdin> burn the hieratic!
[03:23] <stdin> :p
[03:23] <Amaranth> jdong too :)
[03:23] <GazzaK> elkbuntu, ignorance of the script was bliss eh
[03:23] <elkbuntu> ignorance is always bliss
[03:24] <GazzaK> yeah, I miss those days, it was like majik
[03:24] <elkbuntu> hehe
[03:24] <GazzaK> anyways, /me is off to clean more
[03:24] <GazzaK> housecleaning is so annoying
[03:24] <elkbuntu> hmmmm... the article is still only light blue in the /. firehose :(
[03:24] <GazzaK> http://picasaweb.google.com/garykearley/LivingRoomTidyUp :-)
[03:25] <thoreauputic> GazzaK: don't bother - after a few years the dirt stops getting worse and you atop noticing ;p
[03:25] <thoreauputic> *stop
[03:25] <GazzaK> thoreauputic, ewwww
[03:25] <mc44> stdin: better than imagining him how he really does it. Which is to say, naked
[03:26] <thoreauputic> GazzaK: that's not original by the way - I forget who said it first
[03:26] <thoreauputic> :)
[03:26] <GazzaK> mc44, O_O
[03:26] <thoreauputic> Quentin Crisp I think ?
[03:27] <thoreauputic> http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Quentin_Crisp
[04:08] <poningru> anyone know which mathew it is that works on launchpad
[04:08] <poningru> is it Matthew Garrett
[04:08] <poningru> ?
[04:10] <elkbuntu> poningru, mjg59 in -devel
[04:10] <elkbuntu> oh, um dunno
[04:10] <elkbuntu> oh, you're thinking Matthew Revel
[04:10] <elkbuntu> Revell*
[04:11] <poningru> ok right
[04:11] <poningru> thank you
[04:11] <poningru> :)
[04:11] <elkbuntu> i should stop reading scrollback from the bottom
[04:11] <elkbuntu> poningru, so try the nick mrevell
[04:12] <elkbuntu> i think that's what he uses these days
[04:12] <Hobbsee> he wont be here on a saturday
[04:12] <poningru> hehe not trying to contact him
[04:12] <elkbuntu> true, but he might screen
[04:12] <poningru> just settling a bet
[04:12] <elkbuntu> ah
[04:12] <poningru> if an angry englishman comes in here screaming do ban him ;)
[04:13] <elkbuntu> poningru, which angry englishman?
[04:14] <poningru> hehe
[04:14] <poningru> just a local debian guy from a local lug
[04:14] <poningru> and he wont do anything like that
[04:14] <poningru> I was jk
[04:16] <elkbuntu> ah, i thought you were referring to either matthew revell, also known as 'the angry inch' or matthew garrett, who is reknown for his angry nastygrams to upstreams and is the subject of angryfacts.com, both of whom are englishmen
[04:17] <poningru> lol
[04:18] <poningru> did not know that
[04:19] <elkbuntu> both are actually really nice people. matthewrevell encouraged me to not run away screaming from -marketing when i first popped my head in there, and matthew garrett i met at LCA in january and listened to his medical student stories whilst drinking his pimms
[04:21] <PriceChild> Hobbsee, it hit the staff forums as soon as it was posted almost... but we didn't spread it.
[04:26] <PriceChild> hehe the admins also had to make automatix a word too common to be searched for on the forums because of the "automatix sucks" abuse...
[04:26] <pleia2> lol
[04:28] <Hobbsee> PriceChild: heh
[05:30] <elkbuntu> oh lordy. who volunteers to step in and explain to some twat that automatix is not the reason ubuntu is good?
[05:31] <nalioth> harsh language
[05:31] <nalioth> drag the misguided individual in here, elkbuntu
[05:31] <elkbuntu> nalioth, on my blog, my dear
[05:32] <elkbuntu> http://www.geekosophical.net/?p=141#comment-59061 and continue through the next two comments
[05:34] <nalioth> why does my blood pressure go up when i'm subjected to crapomatix idiocy?
[05:35] <nixternal> why does that commentors name sound familiar?
[05:35] <elkbuntu> nixternal, you tell me
[05:37] <nixternal> I can't believe he has done a dist-upgrade with Automatix enough
[05:37] <nixternal> granted there are some who have successfully done it, granted those are the ones w/o Nvidia or ATI crap
[05:38] <elkbuntu> nixternal, he probably started using it in edgy or something
[05:38] <nixternal> it was worse in Edgy I thought
[05:38] <nixternal> Dapper it was a .sh script
[05:38] <elkbuntu> dapper>edgy upgrades fried alot
[05:38] <nixternal> it didn't know how to handle updates...
[05:39] <nixternal> well, Dapper -> Edgy w/o automatix fried alot as well
[05:39] <nalioth> you must realize that most windows (l)users consider a total reinstall to upgrade an acceptable practice
[05:39] <nixternal> tis reason for a revamped upgrade manager
[05:39] <elkbuntu> more a case that it <bleep>ed with repos
[05:40] <nixternal> and lets not forget their friendly little message they put on their website calling Ubuntu supporters idiots for blaming Automatix for the breakage
[05:40] <elkbuntu> yeah
[05:40] <elkbuntu> i think the forums council got that removed somehow though
[05:40] <Myrtti> so let me see
[05:41] <Myrtti> they called ubuntu users and supporters idiots for blaming automatix, software made to supposedly ease ubuntu usage, idiots?
[05:41] <nixternal> forums council had nothing to do with this...automatix put it on their website and stayed there for a long time
[05:41] <nixternal> DEB_BUILD_ARCH ?= $(shell dpkg-architecture -qDEB_BUILD_ARCH)
[05:41] <nixternal> hrmm
[05:41] <elkbuntu> hmmm.... so why is it i keep almost marking these retarded automatix worshipping comments as spam?
[05:41] <nixternal> that isn't what I copied
[05:41] <nixternal> If someone on #Ubuntu told you that Automatix caused a certain problem dont believe him/her. Its a known fact that the #Ubuntu channel spreads misinformation about Automatix. If you ask us for help and you mention that your were told by someone on #Ubuntu that Automatix caused the problem, your request for help will be ignored.
[05:41] <elkbuntu> nixternal, where is that now? i didnt see it when i had a quick click through before
[05:42] <nixternal> and that is when I told arnieboy to go f himself after my blog post about him
[05:42] <nixternal> elkbuntu: they removed it just a couple of months ago I believe
[05:42] <elkbuntu> nixternal, conveniently a couple of months ago, arnieboy was before the forums council begging to let ubuntuforums people try support his monstrocity
[05:42] <elkbuntu> s/let/make/
[05:44] <elkbuntu> nixternal, meanwhile your comment has not responded to the 'but ubuntu would be nothing if the users hadnt done automatix because ubuntu ignored them'-esque posts
[05:45] <elkbuntu> Automatix did not get created for no reason. Ubuntu, in its earlier releases did not have what the users wanted in terms of multimedia codecs and such. And since there was a void, USERS, not Ubuntu, took the lead to help themselves, like any good users community. Why Ubuntu did not see this and take action in say Breezy as opposed to now, is beyond me. Ubuntu could have even asked the devs to add their work back then and worked with them to
[05:45] <elkbuntu>  get it into policy-compliance. But they did not. I see no criticism for Automatix because if Ubuntu had done what the users wanted, as Mark was targeting the Desktop users, then it would not have been created from users outcry. As someone who has followed Debian development, I can understand Matts critique but I think it should have been a priority to do such a critique much earlier and attempt to fix these issues to avoid what ever dam
[05:45] <elkbuntu> age Automatix can or has caused for users systems.
[05:45] <nixternal> whoa
[05:45] <elkbuntu> eeps...
[05:45] <nixternal> slow down...:)
[05:45] <elkbuntu> bad pasty thing
[05:45] <nixternal> brb, neighbor needs the lawn mower
[05:45] <GazzaK> spam :p
[05:45] <elkbuntu> that was supposed to be the second sentance, not the whol elot :-/
[05:45] <GazzaK> still talking about automatix eh
[05:45] <elkbuntu> GazzaK, well the fanbois have hit my blog. care to go fend them off for me? :)
[05:46] <GazzaK> I can go streak, that normally scare em off
[05:46] <elkbuntu> GazzaK, :( my blog is family-friendly though
[05:46] <GazzaK> so am I
[05:47] <elkbuntu> and it *still* hasnt hit their forums, or if it has, promptly /dev/null'd
[05:48] <poningru> ...
[05:48] <GazzaK> I like the wording on that paste elky
[05:48] <elkbuntu> GazzaK, i didnt write it
[05:49] <elkbuntu> GazzaK, thats one of the fanbois blaming ubuntu for not fixing automatiz
[05:49] <elkbuntu> s/automatiz/autobreakix
[05:50] <poningru> lol
[05:50] <GazzaK> thats not worded like a fanboi
[05:51] <GazzaK> it makes more sense
[05:51] <GazzaK> maybe I read it too quick
[05:52] <elkbuntu> Demonstration no clue: "Why Ubuntu did not see this and take action in say Breezy as opposed to now, is beyond me. Ubuntu could have even asked the devs to add their work back then and worked with them", blaming ubuntu: "but I think it should have been a priority to do such a critique much earlier and attempt to fix these issues"
[05:53] <GazzaK> yeah, I noticed that the second read
[05:53] <GazzaK> I really ought to read things right
[05:54] <nixternal> elkbuntu: where is the comment that ubuntu wouldn't be anything w/o automatix?
[05:54] <nixternal> I would respond to it, but I don't see it
[05:55] <nixternal> I do however see people saying "ubuntu should have worked with automatix in the beginning" though
[05:55] <nixternal> and if they would research our specifications from Dapper and Edgy, they would see that we attempted to do so
[05:55] <GazzaK> I agree a tiny bit on that, but not
[05:56] <GazzaK> and as we can see, by fiesty restricted stuff is easy
[05:56] <nixternal> well seeing as I helped write one spec, I remember a few of us talking with arnieboy about getting it moved from a bash script to an actual application first off, and then he went on a rampage
[05:56] <GazzaK> and gutsy (from what I have seen) is even easier
[05:56] <GazzaK> has all his helpers, like me, walked off yet?
[05:57] <GazzaK> there were a few of us, mstlyevil, wildtangent etc
[05:57] <nixternal> the reason for the *-restriced-codecs is because Automatix didn't want to listen to us, so we had to go another route in order to satisfy their needs/wants
[05:57] <GazzaK> and afaik all have given up?
[05:57] <GazzaK> I was so naive then, I feel so bad
[05:57] <nixternal> lol
[05:58] <nixternal> GazzaK: it is OK, we learn from our mistakes, granted yours was a catastrophy like no other, I am sure you have learned and are probably still in the healing process :)
[05:58] <GazzaK> nixternal, seriously, I could not see the problems of ax, and was active on their forums and irc channel
[05:58] <GazzaK> nixternal, meh :'(
[05:58] <nixternal> hehe
[05:58] <GazzaK> that stings
[05:59] <nixternal> I tried it twice..once with Ubuntu and it worked great actually installing everything I selected, however it installed a bunch of other crap at the time...this was Edgy I think..
[05:59] <nixternal> then I tried it on Kubuntu, and let me just say, when it was complete, I was prompted with the GDM login
[05:59] <Pumpernickel> o_o
[05:59] <GazzaK> I thought they were doing good, and not knowing much (if anything) about programming, was unable to understand what was wrong, ompaul helped me out by going step by step through the AX code, and telling me why it was wrong and how
[06:00] <nixternal> hrmm, I tried to ask arnieboy about it and he flipped his lid..if there was a script to choke people via IRC, I would have ran, then smacked him with the CoC like a bad dog
[06:01] <nixternal> he had the nerve to call me a newb and something along the lines of an idiot...and I think that is about the time the wars broke off between him the forums
[06:01] <GazzaK> once I understood exactly how it did things, and how the way it did things was wrong, I understood a slightly different point of view
[06:02] <nixternal> I will say though, the one thing Automatix did besides create fanbois, is that it kept a lot of people with Ubuntu...so I am glad there is automatix for that reason there
[06:03] <GazzaK> I have kept with ubuntu due to people like om paul, sev eas, hob bsee, pricey, popey and the like, people who in my opinion do a lot for nothing back
[06:03] <GazzaK> don't see that with other distros
[06:03] <nixternal> I do nothing wanting a lot back :)
[06:03] <GazzaK> lol
[06:03] <GazzaK> I want a pony
[06:04] <nixternal> you and me both!
[06:05] <ompaul> GazzaK, you have used my name in full and highlighted
[06:05] <ompaul> me
[06:05] <ompaul> so the sec ond eff ort was in va in
[06:05] <GazzaK> ompaul, sorry :p
[06:05] <GazzaK> yeah, I realised
[06:05] <ompaul> I got mail from the FSF
[06:05] <elkbuntu> GazzaK, exactly. nixternal those people would have stayed with ubuntu anyway. I'd estimate 90% of automatix users would have kept with ubuntu regardless if they had visited what was until recently wiki.ubuntu.com/Multimedia
[06:05] <ompaul> the hospital will cut me up on the 10th of Sept
[06:05] <ompaul> and my phone bill
[06:05] <elkbuntu> meanwhile, GazzaK why did you not mention me? :( :( :(
[06:05] <GazzaK> elkbuntu, that wiki kept me here
[06:05] <ompaul> and a thanks card for a wedding pressie
[06:06] <GazzaK> elkbuntu, sowwee, all you do is kick me :p
[06:06] <ompaul> elkbuntu, elkbuntu elkbuntu elkbuntu elkbuntu elkbuntu
[06:06] <GazzaK> ahh thats what hobbsee does too
[06:06] <GazzaK> and seveas
[06:06] <GazzaK> eeek
[06:06] <elkbuntu> GazzaK, excuuuuuuse? you mentioned hobb see and she kicks you waaaaay more
[06:06] <GazzaK> see
[06:06] <GazzaK> OpAbuse!
[06:06] <nixternal> elkbuntu: they could have, but automatix is still a decent reason for some of the people who have stuck it out
[06:06] <ompaul> call yourself an op GazzaK  ;-)
[06:07] <elkbuntu> nixternal, i refuse to believe that. i really do
[06:07] <PriceChild> GazzaK, aww :) *hugs*
[06:07] <GazzaK> lol
[06:07] <ompaul> elkbuntu, when it works for some people they forget the premise of works for me
[06:07] <PriceChild> I like the way you hilighted me... but not people like hobbsee :P
[06:07] <nixternal> elkbuntu: do you remember the forums when automatix was a hit? there was no other post topic that had people praising the hell out of ubuntu
[06:07] <GazzaK> pricey highlights you?
[06:08] <ompaul> GazzaK, most likely the word like cost you know, price
[06:08] <PriceChild> yeah, i have my nicks on hilight because my old router always used to d/c... and i would end up on an alt nick with people still talking to the old one
[06:08] <nixternal> love or hate it, automatix controlled at time whether newbs stayed or left
[06:09] <nixternal> and I think some of them people are commenting on your blog
[06:09] <nixternal> hehe
[06:09] <nixternal> gone to Mepis!
[06:09] <ompaul> they get the debian they don't deserve :)
[06:09] <nixternal> haha
[06:09] <ompaul> that is spooky
[06:10] <ompaul> Kojo No Tskui
[06:10] <ompaul> that rocks for me
[06:10] <elkbuntu> nixternal, i remember when it came about, as it was around the time I was a newbie, but do not remember the threads being full of thanks. I had not used DOS since i was like 8 and i still managed to use the multimedia page. meanwhile, i remember the community being helpful and topic threads praising ubuntu for that
[06:11] <nixternal> shoot, the Automatix and Easy Ubuntu were the hit in the forums...besides the Nvidia guy (who does Envy now)
[06:11] <GazzaK> elkbuntu, where is your blog?
[06:11] <elkbuntu> GazzaK, geekosophical.net
[06:11] <nixternal> ompaul: aren't you using gNewsense?
[06:11] <nixternal> you better!
[06:11] <ompaul> nixternal, I use three o/s's at him
[06:11] <GazzaK> ompaul, wanna mp3 :p
[06:11] <ompaul> home
[06:12] <ompaul> and no mp3s and no windows
[06:12] <nixternal> hehe
[06:12] <GazzaK> nice domain elky
[06:12] <elkbuntu> :)
[06:14] <poningru> you mean caturday?
[06:15] <poningru> icann has tld?
[06:15] <ompaul> poningru, I do think that myself, thank oneko is what I say
[06:16] <ompaul> poningru, mind if I paste that stuff into -offtopic?
[06:16] <poningru> go for it :)
[06:33] <PriceChild> livingdaylight in #ubuntu...
[06:55] <GazzaK> love ya
[06:57] <Seveas> love ya too
[06:58] <GazzaK> 
[06:58] <GazzaK> we were talking about you earlier
[06:58] <Seveas> you mean badmouthing
[06:58] <GazzaK> yeah, thats the one
[06:58] <GazzaK> :-)
[06:58] <GazzaK> nah, all this automatix stuff
[06:59] <GazzaK> it's back again to haunt us
[07:10] <elkbuntu> btlogin
[07:10] <elkbuntu> gah
[07:10] <elkbuntu> #btlogin
[07:10] <elkbuntu> grrrrrr
[07:10] <elkbuntu> @btlogin
[07:10] <elkbuntu> cold fingers suck
[07:13] <elkbuntu> who the hell keeps letting aoirthoir back in :(
[07:15] <PriceChild> has he lost his cloak?
[07:16] <PriceChild> ah just dynamic ip
[07:19] <elkbuntu> is he even in the ban list? i didnt see it
[07:19] <elkbuntu> he's supposed to have a nick ban too
[07:39] <GazzaK> what does "ubot3> GazzaK: Error: Could not parse XML returned by Ubuntu: not well-formed (invalid token): line 338, column 84"  mean?
[07:41] <nalioth> GazzaK: where is ubotu ?
[07:41] <GazzaK> no idea
[07:41] <ubotu> I'm here
[07:41] <GazzaK> lol
[07:41] <GazzaK> naughty
[07:42] <nalioth> GazzaK: why are you talking to ubot3 (and where)?
[07:43] <GazzaK> nalioth, it posted in ##Apple
[07:43] <GazzaK> and I have no idea why
[07:43] <Seveas> %bugtracker list
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[07:43] <Seveas> @bugtracker list
[07:43] <nalioth> GazzaK: you use too much %
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[07:44] <Seveas> %list
[07:44] <ubotu> Admin, Bantracker, Bugtracker, Channel, Config, Encyclopedia, Filter, Lart, LpLogin, Math, Mess, Misc, Owner, Services, User, and Webcal
[07:44] <Seveas> @list
[07:44] <ubotu> Admin, Bantracker, Bugtracker, Channel, Config, Encyclopedia, Filter, Lart, LpLogin, Math, Mess, Misc, Owner, Services, User, and Webcal
[07:44] <Seveas> ubot3 not responding in here
[07:44] <ubot3> Seveas: Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)
[07:44] <Seveas> ah it does
[07:44] <nalioth> Seveas: no, he's been told not to
[07:44] <nalioth> otw, we'd have double factoids
[07:45] <GazzaK> I did two %'ages
[07:45] <GazzaK> quote - the home PC (self build) runs ubuntu 99% of the time and vista (eeew) 1% for one boring work thing
[07:45] <GazzaK> see it no fail there
[07:46] <GazzaK> ahh, it's muted in here
[07:46] <GazzaK> oops
[07:46] <nalioth> GazzaK: no, it's not muted, it just doesn't return factoid requests here
[07:46] <nalioth> ubot3 weather Birmingham
[07:46] <ubot3> nalioth: Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)
[07:46] <nalioth> wtf
[07:47] <nalioth> ubot3: weather Birmingham
[07:47] <ubot3> nalioth: Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)
[07:47] <nalioth> now what
[07:47] <GazzaK> it's thick
[07:47] <Seveas> nalioth, we disabled that yesterday, remember :)
[07:47] <nalioth> %weather Birmingham
[07:47] <GazzaK> anyone knows the weather in brum is rainy
[07:47] <Seveas> you need to use %weather Birmingham
[07:47] <nalioth> it works in other channels
[07:47] <Pricey> duh GazzaK.... cloudy and rainy
[07:47] <GazzaK> grey and boring
[07:48] <Pricey> and dull
[07:48] <nalioth> outdated, Seveas ?
[07:48] <Seveas> yeah, it still has 'malone' and 'ubuntu'
[07:48] <stdin> actually is not bad here in brum
[07:58] <ompaul> Seveas, we redid the automatix factoid - shorter and ehh sharper
[07:58] <Seveas> !automatic
[07:58] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about automatic - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:58] <Seveas> !automatix
[07:58] <ubotu> Automatix2 is a script which attempts to install some software, at times it fails and breaks systems. We don't provide support for it. A creditable analysis from a debian/ubuntu developer is here http://mjg59.livejournal.com/77440.html (Additional information: /msg ubotu worksforme)
[07:58] <Seveas> s/at times//
[07:59] <GazzaK> works for me
[07:59] <GazzaK> :p
[07:59] <ompaul> Seveas, na cos you always get one idiot who says what GazzaK said
[07:59] <Seveas> s/at times/often/
[07:59] <GazzaK> :-)
[07:59] <ompaul> Seveas, let me rephrase is a little
[08:01] <ompaul> !automatix is <reply> Automatix2 is a block of code which attempts to install some software, when it fails and breaks systems,  we don't provide support for it. A creditable analysis from a debian/ubuntu developer is here http://mjg59.livejournal.com/77440.html (Additional information: /msg ubotu worksforme)
[08:01] <ubotu> But automatix already means something else!
[08:01] <Seveas> too commatastic
[08:01] <ompaul> Seveas, before I type the no is that too savage
[08:01] <ompaul> :)
[08:02] <ompaul> !automatix is <reply> Automatix2 is a block of code which attempts to install some software.  When it fails and breaks systems,  we don't provide support for it. A creditable analysis from a debian/ubuntu developer is here http://mjg59.livejournal.com/77440.html (Additional information: /msg ubotu worksforme)
[08:02] <ubotu> But automatix already means something else!
[08:02] <stdin> try !no ....
[08:02] <ompaul> stdin, I do know that
[08:02] <GazzaK> two spaces between systems,  we
[08:02] <ompaul> it is up for judgement
[08:02] <ompaul> gasthanks
[08:02] <ompaul> anything else?
[08:03] <GazzaK> do a here - http:
[08:03] <ompaul> !automatix is <reply> Automatix2 is a block of code which attempts to install some software.  When it fails and breaks systems, we don't provide support for it. A creditable analysis from a debian/ubuntu developer is here - http://mjg59.livejournal.com/77440.html (Additional information: /msg ubotu worksforme)
[08:03] <ubotu> But automatix already means something else!
[08:03] <ompaul> anyone else for grammer checks etc
[08:03] <GazzaK> Automatix2 is a block of code which attempts to install some software.  When it fails and breaks systems, we don't provide support for it.  A creditable analysis from a debian/ubuntu developer is here - http://mjg59.livejournal.com/77440.html (Additional information: /msg ubotu worksforme)
[08:03] <GazzaK> just petty grammar
[08:04] <ompaul> GazzaK, what changed?
[08:04] <stdin> ompaul: how about replacing "we don't provide support" with "we can't provide support" ?
[08:05] <GazzaK> spaces
[08:05] <ompaul> stdin, no we are not powerless, we are choosing not to help cos it is such bad karma
[08:05] <ompaul> GazzaK, okay you should have that
[08:05] <ompaul> anyone else?
[08:05] <stdin> ompaul: often we can't fix the errors, even if we try. but it was just a thought :)
[08:06] <ompaul> stdin, we could fix them if we had access and a live cd
[08:07] <stdin> even then, it's difficult. I've tried to fix a friends system when he used automatix, a reinstall was the answer
[08:07] <GazzaK> lol
[08:07] <ompaul> stdin, but the energy expended is too high, the overheads for helping someone fix an automatix box are way higher than even my patience and I have helped people with bad superblocks
[08:07] <ompaul> stdin, correct
[08:08] <ompaul> stdin, and on irc that works out at about 2.5 hours on one query
[08:08] <ompaul> stdin, if they can't be solved in 10 minutes then there is a web page with the information
[08:08] <ompaul> user > redirect
[08:09] <ompaul> otherwise you are being trolllllllllled
[08:09] <stdin> heh, sometimes you feel like saying "just install sshd and give me access" :p (you never do of course)
[08:10] <ompaul> stdin, there are people you would do it with - paid contractors and the like
[08:10] <ompaul> anyway
[08:10] <ompaul> last call
[08:11] <stdin> yeah, back to the factoid, the way you have it is good
[08:11] <elkbuntu> ompaul, http://www.geekosophical.net/?p=141#comment-59139
[08:11] <ompaul> !automatix is <reply> Automatix2 is a block of code which attempts to install some software.  When it fails and breaks systems, we don't provide support for it.  A creditable analysis from a debian/ubuntu developer is here - http://mjg59.livejournal.com/77440.html (Additional information: /msg ubotu worksforme)
[08:11] <ubotu> But automatix already means something else!
[08:11] <ompaul> !no automatix is <reply> Automatix2 is a block of code which attempts to install some software.  When it fails and breaks systems, we don't provide support for it.  A creditable analysis from a debian/ubuntu developer is here - http://mjg59.livejournal.com/77440.html (Additional information: /msg ubotu worksforme)
[08:11] <ubotu> I'll remember that ompaul
[08:12] <elkbuntu> ompaul, what do you think of my analogy? :)
[08:13] <ompaul> elkbuntu, it rocks but on your previous post you have "" not " at one point ;-)
[08:13] <GazzaK> nice post elkbuntu
[08:13] <ompaul> elkbuntu, actually it is better than rocks
[08:13] <ompaul> it is sooooo true
[08:14] <ompaul> automatix user after machine borked: http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2007/08/u-need-moar-channelz-i-r-bord-alredy.jpg
[08:14] <elkbuntu> ompaul, Ive never been pointed to an article or blog post that says specifically why automatix is bad. Me neither, quite the opposite.
[08:14] <ompaul> okay
[08:14] <ompaul> missed the close, you are too good for me elkbuntu ;-)
[08:16] <ompaul> ubuntu user who did not use automatix http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2007/07/peace.jpg
[08:17] <bbrazil> ompaul: wouldn't that be a gNS user :)
[08:17] <elkbuntu> http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2007/08/good-omen-cat.jpg
[08:18] <ompaul> bbrazil, all gNS users reach that state fast, but ubuntu users can have the first one :)
[08:19] <ompaul> in soviet russia lulz cats post pictures of their owners
[08:20] <bbrazil> now I'm remembering why I stopped answering questions on #ubuntu
[08:21] <ompaul> bbrazil, don't let the memories hurt you ;-)
[08:22] <bbrazil> it's just the questions are so user-focused, and from people who don't use a shell
[08:22] <bbrazil> I'm more of a server guy
[08:22] <ompaul> there is that
[08:38] <ubotu> Flannel called the ops in #ubuntu
[08:38] <ubotu> bbrazil called the ops in #ubuntu
[08:38] <bbrazil> damn, saw that mass join and all
[08:40] <bbrazil> found the nesting hole: #Melayu
[08:40] <bbrazil> !staff
[08:40] <ubotu> Hey nalioth, jenda, rob, SportChick, seanw, BearPerson or ompaul! I could use a bit of your time :)
[08:40] <nixternal> man, I swore I saw them change the topic
[08:40] <bbrazil> staff: #Melayu appears to be a bot control channel. Some of the bots that just flooded #ubuntu have ops in there
[08:40] <jenda> mhm
[08:40] <jenda> bbrazil: thanks
[08:41] <jenda> bbrazil: we're aware of #melayu
[08:41] <bbrazil> I'll leave it in your capable hands then
[08:41] <jenda> bbrazil: how did you find it? )
[08:41] <jenda> :)
[08:41] <bbrazil> jenda: /whois
[08:41] <nixternal> whois :)
[08:41] <jenda> hehe
[08:42] <jenda> works too
[08:42] <elkbuntu> !worksforme
[08:42] <ubotu> Common Sense: Just because you can, does not mean you should (and especially recommend to others). Think before you do. "Works for me" does not mean it is ok. The latest version of everything is not always useful if you aim for stability.
[08:43] <elkbuntu> !no, worksforme is <reply> Common Sense: Just because you can, does not mean you should (and especially recommend to others). Think before you do. "Works for me" does not mean it is ok. The latest version of everything is not always useful if you aim for stability. Please see http://geekosophical.net/random/worksforme/
[08:43] <ubotu> I'll remember that elkbuntu
[08:44] <elkbuntu> jenda, Pricey, feel free to post that link around the ubuntu forums as needed :)
[08:45] <jenda> 
[08:45] <elkbuntu> ompaul, ^^ :)
[08:45] <elkbuntu> now, bedtime
[08:45] <Myrtti> that's a good one elkbuntu
[08:45] <Pricey> hehe :) sleep well
[08:45] <elkbuntu> yep and as ompaul said. soo true
[08:45] <bbrazil> < dem0nseed> lmfao im still on baan list this is some crap
[08:46] <jenda> elkbuntu: good one
[08:47] <ubotu> dem0nseed called the ops in #ubuntu
[08:47] <bbrazil> < dem0nseed> i am banned i evaded it untill i can talk to hobbse or what ever his name is
[08:48] <nixternal> demonseed is not getting unbanned
[08:48] <nalioth> he needs to come here
[08:48] <GazzaK> lol
[08:48] <nalioth> #ubuntu is not the place
[08:48] <nixternal> he is the one who threatened to gline me here yesterday
[08:49] <dem0nseed> gonna have to re evade
[08:49] <dem0nseed> TT
[08:49] <nixternal> huh?
[08:49] <Pricey> dem0nseed, Hello there :)
[08:49] <jenda> dem0nseed: enjoy :) We have enough bans to spare.
[08:50] <nixternal> lol
[08:50] <Pricey> dem0nseed, Your language in PM is unacceptable. Could you please take a minute or two to calm down?
[08:50] <dem0nseed> nah because nixternal had no reason to ban me i know what i was told by Hobbsee and i wasent brakeing rules
[08:51] <dem0nseed> so ill evade untill Hobbsee gets back on i got over 10000 proxys we can go all day
[08:51] <nixternal> dem0nseed: I had more than enough reason to ban you yesterday and even gave you the chance to be unbanned
[08:51] <dem0nseed> nah
[08:51] <nixternal> dem0nseed: you just fell to your own demize
[08:51] <dem0nseed> idc about u dont even talk to me
[08:51] <Seveas> and the threats don't really help you
[08:51] <nixternal> heh
[08:51] <dem0nseed> it's not threats seveas
[08:52] <Myrtti> childish
[08:52] <Seveas> then this is obviously not a ban
[08:52] <FireHazard17> b&
[08:52] <nixternal> [08/03/07] [23:32:17] [    dem0n]  enjoy ur gline
[08:52] <nixternal> I was going to say, he threatened me yesterday with that
[08:52] <nixternal> and I shivered in fear
[08:52] <Pricey> Vorian, ?
[08:52] <Seveas> nixternal, lol
[08:52] <GazzaK> nixternal, bet ya did
[08:52] <elkbuntu> oh, that joker. the confidence is oh so cute
[08:52] <Vorian> sorry Pricey
[08:53] <Pricey> We're still +R in #ubuntu... I'll remove that.
[08:53] <Seveas> I need to talk to freenode staff
[08:53] <nixternal> he ban evades quite a bit actually
[08:53] <Seveas> I never *EVER* authorized that cloak
[08:53] <Seveas> !staff
[08:53] <ubotu> Hey nalioth, jenda, rob, SportChick, seanw, BearPerson or ompaul! I could use a bit of your time :)
[08:53] <jenda> Seveas: sorry, corrected that
[08:53] <Seveas> jenda, thanks
[08:53] <FireHazard17> i was banned from ubuntu-offtopic maybe can i be unbanned?
[08:53] <nalioth> Seveas: yes?
[08:53] <FireHazard17> maybe?
[08:53] <Seveas> nalioth, jenda fixed it
[08:54] <jenda> Seveas: I caused it, too :)
[08:54] <Seveas> then it's only fair to let you fix it :)
[08:54] <nalioth> caused what?
[08:54] <Seveas> FireHazard17, depends on why you were banned
[08:54] <Seveas> nalioth, unauthorised ubuntu/member cloak
[08:54] <nalioth> ooooh, naughty
[08:55] <Seveas> yes
[08:55] <Seveas> I'm going to have to spank jenda when I meet him
[08:55] <FireHazard17> Seveas: i was bored and was teaching ubotu naughty things
[08:55] <jenda> Seveas: I'll avoid you forever, then.
[08:55] <jenda> :)
[08:55] <Seveas> FireHazard17, good reason for a ban
[08:55] <Seveas> when was it?
[08:55] <FireHazard17> Seveas: yesterday...
[08:55] <nixternal> lol
[08:56] <nixternal> teaching ubotu naughty things..I have admit, that is kind of funny
[08:56] <nixternal> although not acceptible
[08:56] <nixternal> and yes, irssi needs speeel checking
[08:56] <FireHazard17> Seveas: it wasnt just me everyone was bot abusing
[08:56] <Myrtti> FireHazard17: tut-tut
[08:57] <Myrtti> you'll behave or the monster will come under your bed and EAT YOU!
[08:57] <stdin> some of the things you sead were over the top...
[08:57] <jenda> Or Seveas will spank you. One or the other.
[08:57] <Seveas> don't know which is worse
[08:57] <Myrtti> Arnieboy will bork your system
[08:57] <Myrtti> :->
[08:57] <jenda> aaargh
[08:57] <nixternal> haha
[08:57] <jenda> FireHazard17: and you don't want that.
[08:58] <jenda> OR arnieboy will bork Seveas' system, making him _really_ cranky when he spanks you.
[08:58] <Myrtti> that's bad
[08:58] <Myrtti> that's horrible
[08:59] <jenda> I expected no less :)
[08:59] <Seveas> it was ~13 hours ago
[08:59] <Seveas> come back tomorrow
[08:59] <Seveas> not unbanning yet after that misbehaviour
[08:59] <GazzaK> did you have fun there jenda ?
[08:59] <FireHazard17> Seveas: :(
[08:59] <jenda> GazzaK: eex
[08:59] <jenda> *k
[09:00] <FireHazard17> Seveas: fine ill be in #ubuntu when you want to talk to me
[09:00] <Myrtti> you peeps, it's CATURDAY!
[09:00] <Seveas> :)
[09:00] <Seveas> I got bored with all the cats
[09:00] <Seveas> the pictures only get crappier
[09:00] <Myrtti> that's a funny part message
[09:00] <Myrtti> feels like discussing with 14-year-old
[09:01] <thoreauputic> Myrtti: might not have been quite accurate it appears, unless he intends to lurk silently and pout ;)
[09:01] <Seveas> /part #ubuntu-ops I don't want to talk to GazzaK anymore
[09:02] <FireHazard17> can you at least tell me if other people where banned becuase i was like the 3rd worse person doing the was another doing it a bit worse and another just plan spamming
[09:02] <Pricey> I'm talking to dem0nseed in pm.
[09:02] <FireHazard17> abd I was the first to be kicked
[09:02] <Seveas> stdin, ah, so that's the smell
[09:02] <Myrtti> Pricey: pix plees
[09:02] <Myrtti> someone actually parts channels?
[09:02] <stdin> Seveas: I said some, not necessarily *me* :p
[09:02] <Pricey> FireHazard17, What does that matter? It doesn't make it right if others were doing it. It doesn't make your punishment unfair because others were doing it.
[09:02] <Myrtti> /me counts her windows
[09:03] <FireHazard17> Pricey: i was just wondering if the others were punished too
[09:03] <Seveas> /whois Myrtti
[09:03] <GazzaK> stdin, Seveas :'(  you cruel you are
[09:03] <Seveas> *scroll*
[09:03] <Seveas> *scroll*
[09:03] <Seveas> *scroll*
[09:03] <Seveas> *scroll*
[09:03] <Seveas> that's a lot of channels :P
[09:03] <Myrtti> Seveas: that's only in freenode
[09:03] <stdin> GazzaK: it's only 'cuz we love ya :)
[09:03] <Myrtti> I'm also in IRCnet, Gimpnet and Mozillanet
[09:03] <Pricey> FireHazard17, I wasn't around for this incident and have more pressing matters than going over the bantracker. As I have said, it is irrelevant.
[09:03] <bbrazil> hmm 18 on these 3 networks, and another 9 in work
[09:04] <FireHazard17> ok
[09:04] <Seveas> I maxed out at 65 channels once
[09:04] <GazzaK> you geek
[09:12] <FireHazard17> Seveas: was my ban permanant?
[09:12] <FireHazard17> Seveas: sorry
[09:12] <Seveas> FireHazard17, neh, but a 13 hour ban is just too short imho
[09:12] <FireHazard17> oh ok
[09:12] <stdin> poke one of the ops tomorrow if it hasn't been lifted
[09:13] <Seveas> it probably won't be lifted automativally
[09:13] <Seveas> s/v/c
[09:14] <FireHazard17> Seveas: k
[09:46] <Pricey> dem0nseed is not going to change...
[09:47] <Pricey> He's continued with al of his threats, from "THE DMF CREW" supposedly... meh. *watches for him evading with proxies*
 grr...
 I should clarify for the record, I get online from 3 places, My home, My Girlfriend's home, and my Work. So when I go from one location to another it isnt 'ban avoiding' it is simply that Ive either gone home from work or gone over to her place.
[09:58] <Myrtti> he's fun
 yall have a reputation of driving people out
[10:00] <Pricey> dem0nseed informs me he's got his proxies working finally...
[10:01] <Seveas> nalioth:
 we have both ubotu and ubot3 going off @ #ubuntuforums-beginners
[10:01] <nalioth> ok
[10:01] <Pricey> There's the first one...
[10:02] <Pricey> why did the ban not catch him...
[10:02] <GazzaK> different isp
[10:03] <GazzaK> do a ban on dem0n* ?
[10:03] <Pricey> jenda set a ban on *!dem0n@* but didn't work...
[10:04] <Seveas> forgot the ?= after the !
[10:05] <Pricey> Whoops didn't realise that was needed.
[10:05] <Seveas> I've /silence'd aoirthoir
[10:06] <Seveas> he won't stop preaching how we are all unfair
[10:07] <GazzaK> life is unfair
[10:08] <stdin> in #ubuntu "<-- aoirthoir has left this channel ("Leaving")." :)
[10:25] <rob> apparently my story about Automatix was accepted by /. :)
[10:25] <rob> hehe
[10:26] <thoreauputic> rob: aha! That should be interesting
[10:26] <thoreauputic> :)
[10:26] <thoreauputic> rob: is it up yet ?
[10:26] <rob> I haven't seen it yet though, maybe it's the next one
[10:26] <thoreauputic> k
[10:27] <rob> It's saying the next one will be avalible soon
[10:32] <nixternal> Pricey: he has messaged me
[10:32] <nixternal> haha
[10:33] <nixternal> 15:31:41 [    dem0n]  hey
[10:33] <nixternal> 15:31:47 [    dem0n]  guess what
[10:33] <nixternal> 15:32:41 [    dem0n]  Im in the channel gotta find me
[10:33] <nixternal> 15:32:43 [    dem0n]  :D
[10:33] <nixternal> I wonder?
[10:33] <rob> I hope his blog has plenty of bandwidth :)
[10:33] <nixternal> shhh
[10:33] <nixternal> last time someone said something like that, a poopstorm went off
[10:34] <nixternal> djdd is dem0n btw
[10:34] <djdd> wait
[10:34] <djdd> how you know
[10:34] <djdd> :D thats only question before ban
[10:34] <djdd> how you know
[10:35] <rob> he is just good
[10:35] <djdd> well .... it was fun continue or wait for a new set of admins
[10:35] <nixternal> do us all a favor, either a) grow up, or b) pull your bottom lip over your head and swallow...kthxbye
[10:35] <Seveas> interesting
[10:36] <djdd> hmm
[10:36] <Seveas> let's call demon's abuse desk, I have a friend there :)
[10:36] <djdd> still havent awnserd
[10:36] <nixternal> ya, I heard that the other night on Comedy Central...I am far from original
[10:36] <nixternal> I mean, if you are going to ban evade, don't make it so damn obvious
[10:37] <nixternal> hell, his nick was in his hostname
[10:37] <nixternal> 15:37:06 [    dem0n]  bet u wont find me this time
[10:37] <Seveas> mycat.demon.nl is just an adsl client
[10:37] <Seveas> my hostname is seveas.demon.nl :)
[10:37] <nalioth> demon.nl is a large ISP
[10:37] <Seveas> demon gives you your own subdomain on your connection
[10:37] <nixternal> I believe he is Gun Smoke in #kubuntu
[10:37] <Seveas> demon doesn't exist anymore in nl
[10:38] <Seveas> just taken over by xs4all
[10:38] <Seveas> but the demon.nl still exists as name
[10:40] <nixternal> maybe he isn't gun smoke, but that little pot smoker I just banned in #kubuntu
[10:42] <nixternal> 15:42:03 [    dem0n]  ok ill make an agree ment
[10:42] <nixternal> 15:42:10 [    dem0n]  u find me this time we done with this game
[10:42] <nixternal> 15:42:20 [    dem0n]  because yall are boring
[10:43] <nixternal> he thinks this is a game...what a M.O.R.O.N.
[10:43] <PriceChild> Don't mess with THE DMF CREW... 8-)
[10:44] <nixternal> lol
 ill make yall a deal
 you die and we live happily ever after?
[10:44] <nixternal> lol
 nah yall find me this time and the game ends im already in aswell
 why do you think this is a game? Are you 7?
 nah
 at first it was fun
 now its boaring
 you never were fun, just annoying
[10:46] <nixternal> phoenixz?
[10:46] <rob> ya'know, you are just stirring him up more? :)
[10:47] <Seveas> couldn't resist
[10:47] <Seveas> I suck :)
[10:47] <PriceChild> I talked with him for an hour earlier... trying to calm him down etc. rob
[10:47] <rob> hehe
[10:47] <PriceChild> Its not going to happen, he isn't going to change and I was wasting my time.
[10:47] <nixternal> I am just ignoring him..letting him fill up the pm window
[10:47] <rob> ah
[10:47] <GazzaK> PriceChild, good waste of time that was
[10:48] <GazzaK> he will go to bed soon, the babysitter will make im
[10:48] <PriceChild> GazzaK, worth a try though
[10:48] <nixternal> damn mIRC kiddies
[10:48] <nixternal> hahaha GazzaK
[10:48] <Seveas> he's not filling up my pm window, I think he got bored with me
[10:48] <Seveas> so I suck and am no fun
[10:48] <GazzaK> do you really Seveas ?
[10:48] <nixternal> ya, same here...he has been quiet now for a few minutes
[10:48] <PriceChild> He's been threatening to do a hostile takeover of freenode using their exposed ssh for about half an hour now :P
[10:48] <Seveas> fun
[10:49] <PriceChild> :(
[10:49] <nixternal> to bad you can't SSH from Windows properly ;D
[10:49] <Seveas> I'd like to see that, PriceChild
[10:49] <Seveas> nixternal, putty can do a decent job
[10:49] <rob> PriceChild, who?
[10:49] <Seveas> rob, dem0n of course
[10:49] <PriceChild> rob dem0n
[10:49] <nixternal> ya, putty is OK seeing as it is 100 years old
[10:49] <PriceChild> He seemed to be really understanding at first... and agreeing that he had been in the wrong.
[10:50] <nixternal> shit, he is back
[10:50] <nixternal> shoot I mean
[10:50] <nixternal> and he just filled the hell out of my pm winder
 dem0n> heres the deal
 <dem0n> find me this time the game ends u wont hear from me for a couple months
 <dem0n> how ever you have a time limit
 <dem0n> when i feel its time i start attacking the server and do a hostile take over and shut the server down lock every one out change root passwords etc untill they have to reinstall the distro
 <dem0n> now im against you
 <dem0n> good luck
 when i feel its time i start attacking the server and do a hostile take over and shut the server down lock every one out change root passwords etc untill they have to reinstall the distro
 ah, you indeed are a 7 year old
 good luck with the attack, don't waste your time by trying to humour us
[10:50] <nixternal> hahah, ya same thing here
[10:51] <nixternal> hey, you have enough incriminating evidence to report him to the authorities!
 obusly u dont know who i am a simple brute force on the ssh port that is open will reveal the attack so we will see who humors u
[10:51] <GazzaK> respect mah authoriteeee
[10:51] <nixternal> he is so 1337...I am frickin' scared man...somebody hold me
[10:52] <nixternal> brute force on an ssh port? you have got to be kidding me
[10:52] <nixternal> Seveas: tell him that Wikipedia has wrong information :)
[10:52] <Seveas> hehe
[10:52] <Seveas> I think he means trying to brute force the root password oslt
[10:52] <nixternal> I think his only chance is a dictionary attack, and if a big bad server such as Freenode is using port 22, then ummm..hello
[10:53] <nixternal> I used to love watching the dictionary attacks on my ssh server
 maybe you'll actually learn something useful to attack people if you read books or simply do some grwoing up
[10:53] <PriceChild> www.artofhacking.com/tucops/hack/general/CRAX0R.PDF - one of his proudest pieces of work
[10:53] <nixternal> lol
[10:53] <nixternal> anything with the name crax0r is so 1980s
[10:55] <bbrazil> a DOS to compromise the system?
[10:55] <Seveas> omfg
[10:55] <Seveas> from the pdf:
[10:55] <Seveas>  Server load DoS, attempts up to 3,000 GET / requests to a
[10:55] <Seveas>  webserver. This DoS was discovered by me, and currently affects ALL
[10:55] <Seveas>  Linux/UNIX systems running Apache webserver. My Linux box running
[10:55] <Seveas>  RedHat 8.2 was knocked offline for two hours and eventually core-dumped
[10:55] <Seveas>  due to this. It may also affect non-IIS webservers as well. Eventually, the
[10:55] <Seveas>  system will overload and for some reason begins to connect to itself issuing,
[10:55] <Seveas>  and sending requests, creating a network loop.
[10:55] <bbrazil> yeah, just saw that
[10:55] <Seveas> I almost fell over from laughing :)
[10:55] <bbrazil> not our fault his server is badly tuned :)
[10:56] <Seveas> :)
[10:57] <nixternal> 3,000 get requests == IP > hosts.deny, or whatever portsentry feels like doing on that day
[10:57] <Seveas> come on, if you can't take 3000 "GET /", then you suck
[10:57] <Seveas> let's try it on my host
[10:57] <bbrazil> well, it depends on how fast they come
[10:57] <nixternal> shoot, Comcast cable would fall apart at the seams
[10:57] <bbrazil> 3k qps is not insunificant
 u have untill 5:15
[10:57] <bbrazil> *insignificant
[10:58] <nixternal> well, now we know who the idiot is now :)
[10:58] <bbrazil> I love the 'command1' and 'tab 2'
[10:58] <bbrazil> best of VB
[10:58] <nixternal> all he is doing is changing nicks, so he obviously has no clue how to ban evade
[10:58] <GazzaK> how come these losers keep setting deadlines, a serious person would just do it
[10:58] <GazzaK> oh yeah, forgot, :p
[10:58] <nixternal> 5:15? well that is 1hr and 17 minutes here in chicago
[10:59] <PriceChild> I think next time he evades... we should just ignore him.
[10:59] <PriceChild> Its not like he wants to make trouble in the channels
[10:59] <PriceChild> He just wants to annoy us.
[10:59] <nixternal> he doesn't even know how to evade
[11:00] <Seveas> hmm, my load didn't change at all during 3000 parallel requests
[11:00] <nixternal> /nick g4l != evading ... wow, and I thought the people on America's Dumbest Criminals were lame...this guy takes the cake
[11:00] <bbrazil> Seveas: you using ab?
[11:00] <Seveas> load on the client did get higher though
[11:00] <Seveas> for i in `seq 3000`; do
[11:00] <Seveas>     wget -O- http://blackbird >/dev/null 2>/dev/null &
[11:00] <Seveas> done
[11:00] <PriceChild> He's not exactly of the "calibre" to introduce a botnet so meh... good luck to him and lets move on?
[11:00] <nixternal> haha, he is probably on dial up...if he does it..it will boot his connection...LOL
[11:00] <bbrazil> Seveas: use ab, designed for this
[11:01] <nixternal> PriceChild: if we move on, then this place becomes boring again :)
[11:01] <Seveas> !info ab
[11:01] <ubotu> Package ab does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas
[11:01] <Seveas> bbrazil, info would be nice
[11:01] <bbrazil> Seveas: it's in apache-utils iirc
[11:02] <Seveas> crud, running 300000 parallel wgets slows down my system (the client) quite a bit :)
[11:03] <bbrazil> Seveas: so, how the 32k linux process limit liking you?
[11:03] <Seveas> dunno, killed the bastard
[11:04] <Seveas> probably didn't reach the 32000 yet
[11:04] <Seveas> installing ab
[11:05] <Seveas> with ab I notice apache being on top of top
[11:05] <Seveas> no load increase
[11:06] <Seveas>  <g4l> ahh price exploited the exploiter u have 7 hours to find me and ban me o btw
 22/tcp   open   ssh
 873/tcp  closed rsync
 6666/tcp open   irc-serv
 6667/tcp open   irc
 7000/tcp open   afs3-fileserver
 7070/tcp open   realserver
 8000/tcp open   http-alt
[11:06] <Seveas> oh no, he knows nmap!

[11:06] <bbrazil> hmm, this guy could be 40
[11:08] <nalioth> i'm so not worried about dem0n and his attempts
 blahblah@blah blah:~$ ssh 207.158.1.150
 The authenticity of host '207.158.1.150 (207.158.1.150)' can't be established.
 RSA key fingerprint is 30:02:c1:95:4c:85:2b:ae:bf:22:f5:dd:2d:c3:3d:2c.
 Are you sure you want to continue connecting (yes/no)? y
 Please type 'yes' or 'no': yes
 Warning: Permanently added '207.158.1.150' (RSA) to the list of known hosts.
 Password:
 so you know nmap and ssh, what do you want to prove with that?
 You're not 7 but 8?
[11:08] <Seveas> dennis@mirage:~$ ab -n 30000 -c 100 http://blackbird/
[11:08] <Seveas> that increased the load on my server from 0.02 to a whopping 0.07
[11:09] <Seveas> (0.07 was the peak, average is 0.04)
[11:09] <Seveas> not beyond the noise range
 Are you sure you want to continue connecting (yes/no)? y  <--really experineced with ssh too ;p
[11:10] <Seveas> BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAA look at this:
 root@c-207-158-1-150:/home/root#
 sure :)
 please read the wikipage on the fhs
 you made a very silly mistake
[11:10] <stdin> hehehe
[11:10] <thoreauputic> hahaha
[11:10] <Seveas> I bet he's now wondering what an fhs is
[11:10] <nixternal> haha
[11:11] <bbrazil> hmm, the phpbb on that website is only 2.0.6
[11:11] <nixternal> ssh'n into a server as root, that has got to be about as classic as one can get
[11:11] <nixternal> obviously he doesn't realize that 'ssh -lroot ip' or 'ssh root@ip' works
[11:11] <Seveas> (oh and don't forget that he ran ssh as normal user without using -lroot or root@ip)
[11:11] <nixternal> what a moron...hahahah, it would be class...if he connects, just reverse the love and destroy his fhs :)
[11:11] <bbrazil> could be in his .ssh/config
[11:12] <nixternal> s/class/classic
[11:12] <nixternal> bbrazil: he has no ideo about ~/.ssh/config yet..he is still reading wikipedia on it
[11:12] <Seveas> bbrazil, oh puhlease :)
[11:12] <stdin> name change to g5l now
[11:12] <nixternal> heh
[11:13] <bbrazil> I'm just wondering how to make this stuff into interview questions :)
[11:14] <Seveas> lol
[11:15] <PriceChild> Hello silent-shadow, how can we help you?
[11:16] <silent-shadow> hmm
[11:16] <silent-shadow> still thinking about it
[11:16] <silent-shadow> afk a min
[11:16] <nixternal> isn't it past 5:15 somewhere? what are we all doing chatting on IRC? I thought there was a huge server hack coming :p
[11:17] <thoreauputic> nixternal: it's an illusion - none of us are actually here
[11:17] <Seveas> nixternal, it's 23:17 here
[11:17] <nixternal> oh...whew, so this is what it is liked to be hax0red
[11:17] <nixternal> ya, but he didn't specify which 5:15
[11:17] <bbrazil> ah, love it. Found a list of all the php exploits on the website
[11:17] <Seveas> nixternal, guess so. What an anticlimax
[11:18] <Seveas> nixternal, heh
[11:18] <nixternal> which is odd...because his domain is .nl
[11:18] <thoreauputic> nixternal: he's so clever he manages to fool us into thinking we are still connected
[11:18] <Seveas> thoreauputic, heh
[11:18] <nixternal> if he was talking like 17:15 somewhere in the world right now, that would place him on the east coast
[11:18] <nixternal> hehe
[11:19] <thoreauputic> nalioth: now that would be an anticlimax :)
[11:19] <Seveas> nalioth, you're not nearly as clever as uber1337 h4x0r dem0n :p
[11:19] <nalioth> Seveas: yes, i know.  i've gotten old and feeble
[11:19] <thoreauputic> nalioth: I might be in the market for a nice bridge though
[11:19] <nixternal> ouch
[11:19] <nixternal> bad taste!
[11:19] <Seveas> nalioth, so how many servers have been compromised?
[11:20] <nixternal> Seveas: duh! all of them!
[11:20] <thoreauputic> nixternal: oh I didn't mean...
[11:20] <Seveas> of course
[11:20] <nixternal> thoreauputic: hehe
[11:20] <Seveas> anyway, silent-shadow, a nice target for you is the IPv6 address ::1 -- try it :)
[11:21] <Seveas> it'll be easily hackable
[11:21] <nalioth> Seveas: infinty x 3 at last count
[11:21] <nixternal> lol
[11:21] <bbrazil> nalioth: a superreal attack?
[11:22] <bbrazil> people don't get my math jokes :(
[11:22] <nixternal> heh
[11:23] <PriceChild> the only thing funny about math jokes... is that you can't spell "maths" :P
[11:24] <silent-shadow> price dem0n said pm him on nick g5l
[11:24] <PriceChild> you said pm him... or dem0n said to pm him?
[11:24] <nixternal> tell dem0n to learn how to use Windows ME and his elite mIRC scripts before he passes another message our way :)
[11:25] <Seveas> silent-shadow, so you're now talking to yourself?
[11:25] <silent-shadow> ..\
[11:25] <thoreauputic> silent-shadow: ask dem0n if he has looked up fhs yet
[11:25] <nixternal> hahahahahahahahaha
[11:25] <Seveas> :)
[11:26] <nixternal> and fhs != f'n high school, which he still has 5 years until then
[11:26] <silent-shadow> he said no and im not ttalking to my self im just the messanger boy but brb im helping some one
[11:26] <Seveas> nixternal, *g*
[11:26] <stdin> tell him root's home is actually C:\Documents and Settings\Root :)
[11:26] <nixternal> or fhs could == 'fake hacker syndrome' which it seems he has
[11:26] <nixternal> hahahahahaha
[11:26] <thoreauputic> stdin: heheh
[11:26] <nixternal> stdin: wait a sec!!! how do you know that :)
[11:27] <silent-shadow> ah nah he isnt fake
[11:27] <Seveas> if you're the messenger, why do you abbreviate PriceChild as price, just like dem0n did? Or behave the exact same way? Or why are you just as stupid?
[11:27] <nixternal> BUSTED!
[11:27] <bbrazil> how's victoria this time of year?
[11:28] <Seveas> silent-shadow, I'm going to repeat the advise nixternal gave you earlier: do us all a favor, either a) grow up, or b) pull your bottom lip over your head and swallow...kthxbye
[11:28] <nixternal> <ahnold voice>who is your daddy and what does he do?</ahnold voice>
[11:28] <nixternal> hahah Seveas
[11:28] <silent-shadow> ... when did nix tell me that?
[11:28] <Seveas> silent-shadow, actually, forget option a), you'll never achieve that
[11:28] <silent-shadow> ... when did nix tell me that?
[11:28] <stdin> the 2nd one would be fun to watch too
[11:29] <nixternal> ya it would
[11:29] <Seveas> yeah
[11:29] <nixternal> I think Wanda Sikes (sp?) said that
[11:29] <nixternal> PriceChild: damnit, this was getting fun! :)
[11:29] <PriceChild> *yawns and grins*
[11:29] <Seveas> haven't had that much fun in a while
[11:29] <nixternal> lol
[11:29] <PriceChild> a the same time!!!!!!!!
[11:29] <PriceChild> *at
[11:29] <Seveas> (on irc that is)
[11:29] <PriceChild> lol Seveas
[11:29] <thoreauputic> PriceChild: you robbed us of the chance to learn all the 133t skillz !!
[11:29] <PriceChild> nice save
[11:29] <Seveas> then again, haven't been on irc much in a while :)
[11:30] <stdin> it fun to annoy the haz0r kiddies :)
[11:30] <nixternal> Seveas: what a "welcome back" present then ey :)
[11:30] <GazzaK> i'll give ya a welcome back pressie :-)
[11:30] <Seveas> good change after seeing aoirthoir being hase same old annoying self
[11:30] <Seveas> GazzaK, I expected a welcome back kiss from you :p
[11:31] <nixternal> ahhh, how cute
[11:32] <Seveas> next time, shave before you do that!
[11:32] <PriceChild> more than one? :O
[11:32] <GazzaK> PriceChild, his and mine
[11:32] <GazzaK> Seveas, I shaved the other day, beardy gone
[11:33] <Seveas> PriceChild, GazzaK is the twenty-tongued monster!
[11:34] <Seveas> homophobic or fear for the 20-tongued monster?
[11:35] <GazzaK> come troll in #GayGeeks we have not had a decent homophobic troll for months
[11:35] <Seveas> hehe
[11:35] <stdin> GazzaK: not true
[11:35] <GazzaK> a decent one stdin
[11:35] <stdin> oh, ok :)
[11:35] <GazzaK> :-)
[11:35] <Seveas> stupid trolls are there on a daily basis, I assume
[11:36] <Seveas> homophobia is still a widespread disease
[11:37] <GazzaK> lol @ PriceChild
[11:37] <Seveas> que?
[11:37] <stdin> heh, PriceChild got told
[11:37] <GazzaK> * lucky sets ban on *!n=pricechi@*.supporter.student.PriceChild
[11:37] <GazzaK> [22:36]   * lucky has kicked PriceChild from #gaygeeks (don't autojoin like that)
[11:37] <GazzaK> hahahaaa
[11:37] <nixternal> Seveas: good question...I never seen myself as homophobic, but I am sure I would fear a 20-tongued monster
[11:37] <Seveas> ah :)
[11:37] <GazzaK> your trolling skills are rubbish pricey
[11:37] <PriceChild> I apologise :(
[11:37] <GazzaK> hehe
[11:38] <Seveas> nixternal, hehe
[11:38] <bbrazil> keep to trolling trolls
[11:38] <PriceChild> *wonders whether to remove the autorejoin from chanserv.py*
[11:38] <Seveas> GazzaK, so, still no decent trolls in there
[11:38] <nixternal> I will have to ask my cousin...he is the funniest cast of turning gay, or coming out...I do pick on him quite a bit, but it is in all fun
[11:38] <nixternal> s/cast/case
[11:39] <Seveas> I pick on GazzaK a lot as well. But that's not because he's gay, he's simply GazzaK
[11:39] <GazzaK> I did not come out of the closet, I blew it up, allegedly
[11:39] <nixternal> lol
[11:39] <Seveas> rofl
[11:39] <ompaul> GazzaK, they had not made the closet that could hold you.
[11:39] <Seveas> *suppresses the urge to make homophobic "blew" joke*
[11:39] <nixternal> holy smokes...I had no clue that channel was for real
[11:39] <GazzaK> Seveas, you pick on me, because in secret, you fancy me
[11:40] <Seveas> GazzaK, that's no secret :)
[11:40] <nixternal> I heard people talk of it and thought they were kidding
[11:40] <nixternal> haha, you two need to take it to ##gaygeeks-asl  <-- asl..gahahahaha, that is classic
[11:40] <stdin> I so wanted you to say "batman" after "holy smokes" :p
[11:41] <nixternal> I usually do stdin
[11:41] <nixternal> got lazy on that one
[11:44] <Seveas> nixterbatman
[11:46] <GazzaK> nixternal, people thought that just 'cos it was a gay channel it was okay to be rude in it, so they had to make the -asl channel
[11:46] <nixternal> ahhh
[11:46] <Seveas> is anyone actually in there?
[11:46] <nixternal> rude as in "freaky talk" or bashing rude?
[11:46] <Seveas> (the -asl one)
[11:46] <nixternal> 6 users
[11:46] <PriceChild> gazzak invited me in once...
[11:47] <stdin> that channel would make GazzaK blush sometimes :p
[11:48] <GazzaK> yeah, I normally stay out of it
[11:48] <GazzaK> asl has 36 users
[11:48] <GazzaK> nixternal, one #
[11:49] <nixternal> oh, I just searched it on netsplit.de