[12:39] <ir5> anyone know how to watch online streaming video, intended for win media player?
[12:42] <MajorPayne> !codecs | ir5
[12:42] <ubotu> ir5: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[12:42] <MajorPayne> That may be a good start.
[12:43] <MajorPayne> Bahh.  He is gone!
[12:55] <timposey> Getting message when trying to boot up system that says ISOLINUX:  Disk Error, AX=0000, drive 80
[12:56] <timposey> Getting message when trying to boot up system that says ISOLINUX:  Disk Error 01, AX=0000, drive 80
[01:07] <timposey> TheSheep:  are you here?
[01:16] <digiqq> why doesnt my systray showup on the panel?
[03:09] <nikolam> Argh, any of you tried Tribe3?
[03:16] <Pumpernickel> !anyone
[03:16] <ubotu> A large amount of the first questions asked in this channel start with "Does anyone/anybody..."  Why not ask your next question (the real one) and find out?
[03:21] <MajorPayne> nikolam: Maybe someone in #ubuntu+1
[03:22] <Pumpernickel> If you ask in there, make sure you ask your real question.  They're no more telepathic than we are.
[04:36] <clefia> Hi, is Synaptic Package Manager's list self updating?
[04:37] <MajorPayne> clefia: Yes.
[04:37] <MajorPayne> clefia: Or you can press reload.
[04:42] <clefia> MajorPayne, I think that worked. The gaim version is still the same though. I'll see if other packages were updated to newer versions
[04:54] <magic_ninja> ne know the package name for libmad
[04:57] <Jester45> !mad
[04:57] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about mad - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:57] <Jester45> magic_ninja, apt-cache search libmad might help
[06:51] <h3sp4wn> What are the main changes for Ubuntu Gutsy (in terms of XFCE)
[07:00] <Catoptromancy> its really up to xfce i think
[07:01] <Catoptromancy> there should be an updated Xfce I presume
[07:02] <h3sp4wn> I am quite pleased that xubuntu never got that network manager by default
[07:36] <tonyyarusso> h3sp4wn: what do you use instead?
[07:39] <h3sp4wn> tonyyarusso: Nothing - but I may use something on my laptop if I find something suitable
[09:34] <nikolam> Hello
[09:34] <selig5> HI
[09:35] <nikolam> I am using/testing Tribe3
[09:35] <selig5> ok
[09:35] <nikolam> And I turned on updates (recommendend ones)
[09:35] <nikolam> After few updating (huge may I say)
[09:35] <nikolam> I encountered tons of bugs
[09:36] <nikolam> Am I mistaken to eather turn on recommended updates
[09:36] <tonyyarusso> nikolam: /join #ubuntu+1 for Gutsy issues
[09:36] <nikolam> Or am I mistaken to tribe tribe3+updates for working machine?
[09:36] <nikolam> OK :)
[09:37] <selig5> install stable version
[09:39] <selig5> isn't the purpose of tribe3 release to find bugs?
[09:54] <nikolam> Yes, I will stick to Gutsy tribe3 With updates, so I could report them
[12:06] <hyper_ch> anyone alive?
[12:06] <IonParticle> not really?
[12:06] <hyper_ch> too bad... need someone to test out my proxy server... friend of mine had troubles yesterday
[12:09] <IonParticle> not sure I know what a proxy server is :/
[12:09] <hyper_ch> IonParticle: proxy servers are cool ;)
[12:09] <IonParticle> lol
[12:10] <IonParticle> what do you need done?
[12:11] <hyper_ch> IonParticle: sombebody already tested it... but I wonder why my friend couldn't use it yesterday
[12:11] <IonParticle> ahh
[12:11] <hyper_ch> IonParticle: well, a proxy server has multiple uses... making connection availables on firewalled networks or anonymized surfing or caching from stuff...
[12:16] <hyper_ch> IonParticle: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proxy_server
[12:17] <IonParticle> er, is a vpn server also a proxy server?
[12:18] <hyper_ch> IonParticle: nope
[12:26] <IonParticle> ok
[12:26] <IonParticle> so what are you using it for, hyper_ch?
[12:27] <hyper_ch> IonParticle: is use it on an online-browser-game so that my buddy can look after the account when I can't
[12:28] <IonParticle> ahhh
[12:29] <hyper_ch> yeah, he's in Australia... so when I'm sleeping he is up and can look at the account
[12:29] <IonParticle> cool, you mean when you're sleeping?
[12:29] <IonParticle> lol
[12:30] <hyper_ch> IonParticle: BUT it would be very suspicious if "I" login once from Switzerland and once from Australia within a couple of hours ;)
[12:30] <IonParticle> *shrug* it's just account sharing though, isn't it?
[12:31] <IonParticle> I share the same account in World of WarCraft with my sister
[12:31] <IonParticle> and she's on the other side of the world
[12:31] <IonParticle> too
[12:31] <hyper_ch> IonParticle: it's account sharing but for that online game it's now allowed ;)
[12:31] <hyper_ch> WoW just takes too much time ;)
[12:31] <IonParticle> ahh
[12:31] <hyper_ch> hence making use of proxy :)
[12:32] <IonParticle> all MMOs are timesinks
[12:32] <IonParticle> lol
[12:32] <hyper_ch> well, he doesn't do anything by save my ships and resources if I get attacked...
[12:32] <hyper_ch> so it's not that bad
[12:32] <hyper_ch> luckily on linux there are some problems with running mmorpgs
[12:33] <IonParticle> ll
[12:33] <IonParticle> lol*
[12:34] <hyper_ch> well, I played diablo 2 as beta tester until sometime in v1.10
[12:34] <hyper_ch> I don't think I played another game as long as diablo 2
[12:35] <IonParticle> StarCraft for me
[12:35] <IonParticle> even now
[12:35] <IonParticle> I still think it's fun
[12:35] <IonParticle> whereas WoW has been relegated to just tedius
[12:36] <nikolam> Hello, am I crazy or VMWare server is available for FREE for Linux users? :)
[12:36] <hyper_ch> terrans?
[12:36] <hyper_ch> nikolam: nope it is
[12:37] <hyper_ch> nikolam: however you have to register to get a serial
[12:37] <hyper_ch> nikolam: I got myself 100 serials ;)
[12:37] <IonParticle> lol
[12:37] <nikolam> Get setial> Happily ever after :))
[12:38] <hyper_ch> IonParticle: you sound like a Zerg Player?
[12:39] <IonParticle> I was most proficient at zerg Oo
[12:39] <hyper_ch> zergs are cool
[12:39] <hyper_ch> but I also thought the photon canons were nice, as they attack ground and air tragets
[12:40] <IonParticle> vulnerable with the dependence on pylons though
[12:41] <hyper_ch> that's true.... but what I never really managed to play are the ghosts... I dunno... they just didn't work out somehow
[12:41] <nikolam> Did anyone tried this new expansion pack for St/Broadwar
[12:41] <hyper_ch> new extension pack?
[12:42] <IonParticle> brood war?
[12:42] <nikolam> expension :) "Life of Marine"
[12:42] <hyper_ch> nope, only broodwars
[12:43] <nikolam> is seems that those are sigle-player campaings
[12:44] <IonParticle> ahh
[12:44] <IonParticle> must be unofficial
[12:45] <IonParticle> sc2 coming, woot
[12:45] <nikolam> I dont know if Starcraft 3 is released
[12:45] <nikolam> Or 2 sorry :)
[12:45] <IonParticle> they're developing StarCraft 2 right now
[12:45] <hyper_ch> it will be released... there are already some pics
[12:46] <IonParticle> who knows when they'll release it though
[12:46] <nikolam> I always more liked technology gizmoes than magic and sort of in warcraft..
[12:46] <nikolam> I am eager to see some Truely multiplayer universe based on Star Trek also
[12:46] <IonParticle> Star Trek Online is in development too
[12:47] <nikolam> No magic: Technology
[12:47] <hyper_ch> hmm, I join up for the Borg collective
[12:47] <nikolam> Ahh, I cant wait :)
[12:47] <IonParticle> but I don't have much hope for Trek gaming, given the state that it's in right now
[12:50] <nikolam> Dunno, I think that I will much better live in that universe then in one based on magic and so
[12:51] <hyper_ch> nikolam: why?
[12:51] <nikolam> Somehow magic is something that is legend or myth and will never be seen in life RL
[12:52] <hyper_ch> nikolam: how can you be so sure?
[12:52] <nikolam> Technology and SF things are known to be reality after few decades
[12:52] <hyper_ch> nikolam: so can magic be ;)
[12:52] <nikolam> I drive a car and we have a spacestation above our heads, not Dragons and Orcs :)
[12:53] <hyper_ch> on a probability scale, there must be some dragons and orcs in our universe
[12:53] <IonParticle> lol
[12:53] <nikolam> LOL
[12:53] <IonParticle> yes, in some galaxy somehwere
[12:53] <IonParticle> somewhere*
[12:54] <hyper_ch> or parallel universe
[12:55] <nikolam> In twilight zone.. Those things are products of imagination of one species on one small planet
[12:55] <nikolam> but laws of physics are universal
[12:55] <hyper_ch> are they?
[12:55] <IonParticle> for this universe
[12:55] <nikolam> So my bet is more on technology based SF, since we could live in it in few decades
[12:55] <TheSheep> the dragons in your mind are as real for *you* as anything else
[12:56] <hyper_ch> how can we be sure, that what we perceive as laws of physics are actually real?
[12:56] <nikolam> We could learn something on Bio-implants and social reactions to robots and so but what I have to do with knowing how to kill a dragon? :)
[12:56] <hyper_ch> if I remember correctly from physics classes the three laws of newtons were overthrown by quantumphsysics
[12:57] <TheSheep> hyper_ch: and then the quantum physics is overthrown by a cat
[12:57] <nikolam> Not evrthrown. But Newton laws are jus special part of quantum
[12:57] <hyper_ch> in the end we are very limited creatures and what we know/see isn't necessarily the way it is
[12:58] <nikolam> When some parameters are small
[12:58] <hyper_ch> TheSheep: you know that cat?
[12:58] <nikolam> Yes, so we develop computers to make smart machines who will create entities who will be smarter then us.
[12:58] <TheSheep> hyper_ch: we don't even know if all of us see the same universe with the same laws :)
[12:59] <hyper_ch> TheSheep: cool :)
[12:59] <hyper_ch> TheSheep: my universe is better than yours ;)
[12:59] <nikolam> Laws or not, my ass cant travel very far in the universe before i die :)
[12:59] <TheSheep> hyper_ch: of course it is, I always get the worst ones :(
[12:59] <hyper_ch> TheSheep: you know why? So that you can improve it ;)
[01:00] <hyper_ch> nikolam: you ass maybe can't but your mind can
[01:01] <nikolam> No it cant my mind is just a state of neuron cells in my brain. I cant put that state into something else and stay beiung the same. We are corportial beings
[01:02] <nikolam> We live and we die and that is what we are.
[01:02] <nikolam> But AI never needs to die
[01:02] <hyper_ch> nikolam: aren't we more than just the sums of our particles?
[01:03] <nikolam> yes, since we call ourselves "inteligent" :)
[01:04] <hyper_ch> so, there has to be something more than just the corportial part
[01:04] <nikolam> The main difference between bird on your widows, your dog and you is your Brain :)
[01:04] <TheSheep> nikolam: I'd be interested in any proofs or indications of the fact that we are corporeal only
[01:05] <nikolam> i`d be interested in some proofs that we aren`t. :)
[01:05] <nikolam> W have soul, that is for shure
[01:05] <TheSheep> besides, this discussion should be probably moved to a less official channel :)
[01:05] <nikolam> Yes :)
[01:05] <hyper_ch> :)
[01:06] <nikolam> Sorry . Enning SF and Game talk.
[01:06] <IonParticle> it's not like anyone else is talking anyways
[01:06] <IonParticle> so go on
[01:06] <IonParticle> lol
[01:06] <fwaokda> ok im new to everything linux and i just installed xubuntu on my ps3. I'm now trying to get the wireless connection to work and found this link: http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/geoff/ps3-linux-patches.git;a=commit;h=5ba09ee3f727508064c25d3bbb07e262f79e4380 ......... but don't know what it is or what I need to do with it. Can someone help?
[01:07] <IonParticle> um, nevermind
[01:07] <nikolam> Wow! PS3 Interesting!
[01:07] <fwaokda> ?
[01:07] <hyper_ch> fwaokda: so xubuntu is running?
[01:07] <fwaokda> yup
[01:07] <TheSheep> IonParticle: that page is a patch for the kernel source code
[01:07] <nikolam> Did you found any way to Expand that 256MB of main RAM?
[01:08] <IonParticle> TheSheep, I wish I have a PS3
[01:08] <TheSheep> IonParticle: sorry, wrong nick :)
[01:08] <nikolam> I wish I have PS3 with minimum 2GB of RAM :)
[01:08] <hyper_ch> fwaokda: can you open a terminal and enter  "lspci"  and type the line here that has the wifi card in it?
[01:08] <fwaokda> nope, dont guess so.
[01:08] <fwaokda> ok one second
[01:09] <fwaokda> umm nothing happened, i could be doing something wrong though i suppose.
[01:10] <hyper_ch> did you type that in the terminal?
[01:10] <hyper_ch> lspci
[01:10] <nikolam> type lspci
[01:11] <fwaokda> ya i typed it in and it just went to the next line
[01:11] <hyper_ch> what kind of wireless card is it then?
[01:11] <IonParticle> does the ps3 use pci devices? lol
[01:12] <fwaokda> don't know just know it has one. here is a link: http://209.85.165.104/search?q=cache:1g2ox6Em-PYJ:https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/%2Bquestion/5959+ubuntu+ps3+wireless&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=us
[01:13] <nikolam> fwaokda: What install Cd you used, just to know?
[01:13] <fwaokda> xubuntu-7.04-desktop-powerpc+ps3.iso
[01:14] <nikolam> Niice :)
[01:14] <nikolam> I wanted to buy PS3 to work on Linux on it but I figured that I cant expand RAM.
[01:15] <fwaokda> well i've never really used linux before so i figured i was bored and what the hell i'd see what happened
[01:15] <nikolam> did you try lsmod
[01:16] <nikolam> Linux is great, It will work under linux, just like under 256MB pc with good graphics
[01:16] <nikolam> Office and so :)
[01:18] <fwaokda> lsmod pulled up alot of stuff but idk what any of it is
[01:19] <fwaokda> I found another link and am currently downloading a new kernel? if that sounds right and im going to try and update it
[01:20] <IonParticle> sounds about right, the other link looks like you'd have to edit the source code to apply the patch and then recompile it yourself
[01:20] <fwaokda> well, i found this one which gave more information http://psubuntu.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=449
[01:22] <IonParticle> nothing to do but try it
[01:22] <IonParticle> good luck
[01:23] <fwaokda> ty ;)
[01:29] <nikolam> hey, fwaokda: check this out: You can use yor huge capacity memory card as Swap if you want to. (providng that memory you are inserting is faster then HD inside ps3) It might boost your speed and usability.
[01:29] <nikolam> http://psubuntu.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=351&highlight=expansion
[01:38] <fwaokda> i'll have to look into that right now its pretty quick but then again all im doing is typing in the shell :P
[01:47] <fwaokda> hmm think i just made a boo boo somewhere
[01:48] <fwaokda> sud
[01:48] <fwaokda> err stupid kvmswitch
[01:50] <fwaokda> so... im think i have a typo in my kboot.conf and i just booted by cd how do i edit the kboot.conf on the hdd? sudo nano /etc/kboot.conf?
[01:53] <IonParticle> check /media and /mnt
[01:53] <IonParticle> your hd should be in there somewhere
[02:02] <fwaokda> ya i found my hdd its as "/" on the desktop but i try the cmd and get a blank kboot.conf so im guessing im doing something wrong
[02:07] <IonParticle> it should show the full path when you open it up in Thunar
[02:08] <IonParticle> usually, it's /media/something
[02:08] <IonParticle> on regular comps anyway
[02:08] <IonParticle> Oo
[02:08] <fwaokda> :(
[02:08] <fwaokda> i'll have to take a looksee
[02:12] <fwaokda> well i found it but when i try to save it after editing it says "Can't open file to write"
[03:00] <fwaokda> anyone know how i can find out what my kboot.conf said before I erased it?
[07:28] <MajorPayne> I put nm-applet under autostarted applications.  Now when ever I turn on my computer I get A bunch of them started.  Last time I turned on my computer I had 6 of them.  I killed them all and started one.  Now I have 7 of them up there, after a restart.
[08:06] <MajorPayne> I found a topic on it on the Ubuntu forums.  I posted my details but no one has came up with a solution yet.  Take a look here: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=3132906#post3132906
[08:29] <vistakiller> MajorPayne try to find the hidden folder of your desktop
[08:30] <vistakiller> and take a backup and delete all of them there
[08:30] <vistakiller> the folder is in your home
[08:52] <whiter> hello... i have a wireless problem
[08:53] <TheSheep> !wifi | whiter
[08:53] <ubotu> whiter: Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[08:53] <whiter> those arent helping
[08:54] <whiter> i have  Compaq Presario F500 with a Broadcom 1390 wireless adapter (built in) and lshw says its disabled... i dont know how to enable it though
[08:55] <TheSheep> whiter: there is no button on your laptop for that?
[08:55] <whiter> yes
[08:55] <whiter> it is switched to the on position
[08:55] <whiter> but the light is the color that means "Off" instead of blue which means "on"
[08:55] <TheSheep> whiter: weak battery?
[08:56] <whiter> its on the charger
[08:56] <TheSheep> whiter: youc checked the forums?
[08:56] <whiter> yes...
[08:57] <TheSheep> no more ideas :(
[09:08] <GuestBaha50> allo
[09:09] <GuestBaha50> lo?
[09:09] <GuestBaha50> koi
[09:17] <MajorPayne> vistakiller: There is no hidden folder on my desktop.
[09:17] <MajorPayne> ls -a reports . and ..
[09:17] <vistakiller> in your home folder
[09:17] <MajorPayne> Ohh.  There is many hidden folders in my home directory.  But you said desktop.
[09:17] <MajorPayne> What hidden directory are you talking about?
[09:18] <TheSheep> the Desktop directory is not hidden
[09:18] <vistakiller> i have kubuntu but must exist one folder
[09:18] <MajorPayne> TheSheep: No it is not.
[09:18] <MajorPayne> vistakiller: What must exist in a what directory?
[09:19] <vistakiller> that there is the basic setting for your xfce
[09:19] <vistakiller> in kubuntu the name of this folder is .kde
[09:20] <MajorPayne> I already checked most of the directorys unedr .config, where the Xfce config files seem to be.  I did not find anything that seems like it would help.
[09:21] <MajorPayne> It was a long shot but I just tried grep nm-cofgig * in ~/
[09:21] <vistakiller> is there a folder .xfce?
[09:21] <MajorPayne> No.
[09:22] <vistakiller> one autostart folder?
[09:22] <MajorPayne> vistakiller: Most of the Xfce is under ~/.config from what I can see.  But I already checked most of the directorys.
[09:23] <MajorPayne> vistakiller: Yes, an autostart directory, but I already removed nm-applet.desktop from that directory.
[09:23] <vistakiller> in the autostart there is a text?
[09:23] <MajorPayne> vistakiller: There is nothing in the autostart directory any more.
[09:23] <vistakiller> and the nm-applet has a folder in hidden folders?
[09:24] <MajorPayne> wintermu2e: What hidden directory are you talking about?  There is many hidden directorys?
[09:24] <MajorPayne> vistakiller: ^^
[09:24] <vistakiller> try to find this folder and delete it
[09:26] <chals> hi, someone can helpme
[09:26] <MajorPayne> vistakiller: Delete what directory?
[09:26] <MajorPayne> !ask | chals
[09:26] <ubotu> chals: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[09:27] <chals> my  bar task disaapear
[09:27] <chals> how can i launchthe kde manager
[09:28] <vistakiller> the directory for nm-applets in your home
[09:28] <MajorPayne> vistakiller: There is no directory for nm-applet in my home directory.
[09:28] <vistakiller> the other tha you can do is to delete the hidden folder with the basic settings of your desktop
[09:29] <vistakiller> taka and a backup
[09:29] <MajorPayne> vistakiller: That wolud be bad.  I like my settings.
[09:29] <vistakiller> for tha you will take a backup to recovery anything you can
[09:29] <vistakiller> recover*
[09:30] <MajorPayne> vistakiller: But if I back it up, remove it and add it again would it not come back?
[09:30] <MajorPayne> chals: Are you using Xfce or KDE?
[09:31] <chals> KDE
[09:31] <MajorPayne> chals: Ahh.  Ok.  This is the #xubuntu channel.  Maybe someone in #kubuntu knows.
[09:32] <chals> OK
[10:02] <arthur_Nix> Hi... I want to get under the hood a little more with xubuntu. I plan on installing xubuntu server and building things up from there, starting with xfce4 and xfce4-goodies. Am I just wasting my time though, should I just install xubuntu and tweak it a bit? Anyone have an opinion on this?
[10:09] <vistakiller> if you have time do it
[10:15] <Pumpernickel> You'd get to know the package manager, but not much more closely than you would by spending a few minutes with the manual.
[10:18] <arthur_Nix> I want a lean system, as simple as possible (one app / one purpose), and don't want a lot of gui config options, because I don't mind breaking out the man pages or google to figure out how to change things in CLI.
[10:19] <arthur_Nix> I looked at Arch, but I don't like the rolling release idea. I looked at debian, but I want more frequent update and more active development cycle. Ubuntu seems to be where its at, I just want more CLI control over the system and less GUI interference. Maybe a server install with openbox is a better way to go?
[10:20] <hyper_ch> what do you want the gui to do?
[10:21] <hyper_ch> I mean what do yo need a gui for?
[10:21] <TheSheep> arthur_Nix: I think you'd like gentoo ;)
[10:21] <hyper_ch> once you know what you need it for, you can then select which gui suits you best
[10:21] <hyper_ch> gentoo = lots of time to work on it
[10:23] <TheSheep> hyper_ch: good thing it's not from RA to AC
[10:23] <TheSheep> :)
[10:24] <TheSheep> Ra to Ac actually
[10:24] <hyper_ch> TheSheep: Ra was the Sun God in ancient Egypt but no clue what Ac is
[10:25] <TheSheep> hyper_ch: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Actinium
[10:25] <MajorPayne> Gentoo was nice, but it would take me a full weekend to go from nothing to a working system.  Was was fun about Gentoo was while I was setting it up I could be using Knopix.
[10:26] <MajorPayne> But I haven't played with Gentoo for a couple of years.  Who knows what you can do now.
[10:26] <hyper_ch> TheSheep: thx ;)
[10:26] <arthur_Nix> Isn't gentoo a rolling release distro?
[10:26] <MajorPayne> I like Ubuntu because I am tired of things failing to compile.
[10:27] <MajorPayne> arthur_Nix: It was when I used it.
[10:28] <arthur_Nix> hyper_ch: Good point.
[10:29] <hyper_ch> what did I say?
[10:30] <TheSheep> hyper_ch: the other distribution I used uses the names (and symbols) of elements for the releases
[10:31] <TheSheep> hyper_ch: it started with radium, the current unstable is thor
[10:31] <TheSheep> hyper_ch: thorium
[10:31] <hyper_ch> TheSheep: there is another distro next to Gentoo, Debian, Slackware, Ubuntu, FC, Red Hat, Mandriva and Suse?
[10:31] <hyper_ch> interesting naming system :)
[10:32] <TheSheep> hyper_ch: pld linux, ditro by admins for admins, users need not apply ;)
[10:35] <MajorPayne> CentOS.
[10:35] <MajorPayne> But that is much like RHEL.
[10:35] <MajorPayne> And Yello Dog if you are on PPC.
[10:45] <arthur_Nix> Just to give you an example of what I consider unnecessary, gui stuff would be the automatic update feature of Ubuntu. I'd rather not have that running all the time and just run a sudo aptitude update / upgrade once a week.
[10:46] <TheSheep> arthur_Nix: just disable it in settings->autostarted applications
[10:46] <TheSheep> arthur_Nix: I think you can do better form the xubuntu end
[10:47] <TheSheep> arthur_Nix: compared to ubuntu server end
[10:51] <arthur_Nix> The sheep: Yeah... thinking that too.
[10:52] <TheSheep> arthur_Nix: lots of small little apps you don't miss until it's too late
[10:53] <TheSheep> arthur_Nix: of course, if you have access to the internet all the time and no really urgent things, you can just follow "install when you need it" principle
[10:56] <arthur_Nix> That's kinda my situation. I'd go server install and get my essential things in place (xfce4 xfce4-goodies mozilla-firefox mozilla-thunderbird abiword 915resolution) then see what doesn't work. I think either route will end up at pretty much the same place, it's just a question of whether I want to start with all features and then figure out what I don't need by removing stuff, or start with nothing and figure out what I need to ad
[10:57] <arthur_Nix> oops, missing xdm I think from my essential list.
[10:58] <arthur_Nix> Ok... thanks for the discussion people.
[10:58] <arthur_Nix> I'm off to break stuff.