[12:22] <LaserJock> ok, I'm confused. What's the difference between kde4libs and kdelibs5?
[12:43] <mhb> LaserJock: kde4libs doesn't exist
[12:45] <LaserJock> mhb: hmm, interesting, I wonder why synaptic is showing it to me then
[12:45] <stdin> update your package list? it was the old name for it
[12:45] <LaserJock> interesting, it just deps on kdelibs5
[12:46] <LaserJock> must be a transitional package
[12:46] <LaserJock> that's kinda confusing
[12:46] <mhb> LaserJock: there's no such package in my repos
[12:47] <LaserJock> mhb: feisty universe
[12:47] <mhb> LaserJock: ah, feisty. Well, it's not in gutsy anymore.
[12:48] <LaserJock> why was it renamed? it seem quite inconsistent when everything else seems to be kde4* and I would at least expect it to be kdelib4
[12:48] <mhb> LaserJock: it's totally confusing, I'm saying that all the time.
[12:49] <mhb> LaserJock: there was the debian package kdelibs4, which contained kde3 libraries ... so they just ++ it.
[12:49] <LaserJock> blah :-)
[12:51] <mhb> LaserJock: silly, I know. The best thing you can do is tell your opinion to Riddell or some other maintainer involved with kde4.
[12:52] <LaserJock> I just wondered what the reasoning was, I figured it must be something like that
[12:55] <LaserJock> alrighty, installing now, we'll see what all this KDE4 stuff is all about ;-)
[12:57] <mhb> LaserJock: about being unstable, mainly :o)
[12:57] <LaserJock> heh, well I only have a few apps I'm interested in
[12:58] <LaserJock> I'll be running it in Gnome, so we'll see
[12:58] <LaserJock> I don't mind some stability
[01:11] <LaserJock> geeze, kdelib5 is almost 100MB
[02:30] <bddebian> Heya
[02:32] <DaSkreech> yo yo
[02:32] <bddebian> Hi DaSkreech
[02:32] <DaSkreech> How goes?
[02:33] <bddebian> Fair to midland thanks. You?
[02:35] <mhb> manchicken|away: remember when I sent you the suggestion on how the adept-batch caption should be called?
[04:01] <manchicken> mhb: Yeah, I haven't been able to get that done yet.
[04:18] <DaSkreech> Wheee
[04:18] <DaSkreech> Lots of work to be done on kss
[04:27] <TheInfinity> hmm ...
[04:28] <TheInfinity> knetworkmanager does not like me :(
[04:29] <Hobbsee> oh, i've just had a thought
[04:29] <ScottK2> Uh oh.
[04:29] <Hobbsee> knetworkmanager seems to hate unencrypted networks, with ipw2945 cards.
[04:29] <ScottK2> ;-)
[04:29] <Hobbsee> there's a bug on it
[04:29] <ScottK2> Yes.
[04:30] <Hobbsee> so *that's* why i always have to use the old manual method while at uni
[04:30] <ScottK2> That would make sense.
[04:30] <TheInfinity> knetworkmanager does not like my ethernet adaper at all :/
[04:30] <TheInfinity> he does not even show my rj45 lan
[04:30] <Hobbsee> ScottK2: heh :)
[04:31] <ScottK2> It works fine with my D-Link DWL-G650 rev C2.
[04:32] <Hobbsee> no, it seems to be a ipw3945 thing
[04:32] <Hobbsee> and those are nice cards (the dlinks)
[07:37] <mhb> manchicken_: adept_notifier is in reality adept_notifier_and_also_apport_handler ?
[07:37] <mhb> manchicken_: now I didn't know that
[07:41] <fdoving> mhb: how is your grub-config-project going?
[07:41] <fdoving> hi btw. :)
[07:44] <mhb> fdoving: hi, xerosis (who's not here atm) took over it because I am pretty busy with SoC this summer... but I haven't heard from him lately
[07:44] <mhb> fdoving: I'll ask him
[07:45] <fdoving> ok, just curious. jhutchins suggested we should have such a tool and your project came to mind. :)
[07:49] <mhb> fdoving: hmm, xerosis hasn't done much with it in the last few weeks
[07:49] <fdoving> ok.
[07:50] <mhb> fdoving: OTOH, one of the SoCers is developing a similar tool for Ubuntu and I gave him a backend I created, so I wonder if we could merge it back and create a quick frontend for it
[07:51] <fdoving> that would be cool.
[07:51] <mhb> LaserJock should be mentoring him, I'll ask him when he's around
[08:15] <mhb> manchicken__: has one of you manchickens noticed my question or did I ask in a bad time?
[09:05] <nixternal> howdy people!
[09:05] <mhb> howdy nixternal
[09:06] <nixternal> I slept way to long
[09:06] <nixternal> I shut the blinds in the room so the sun wouldn't wake me, and I did close to 12 hours of sleep
[09:06] <mhb> nixternal: you slept all the way to Long?
[09:06] <nixternal> hehe
[09:07] <nixternal> usually I am a 6 or 7 hour sleeper...but I caught up on some sleep from Friday night I guess
[09:07] <mhb> nixternal: by the way, about Konqueror tricks: do you happen to know why Kubuntu's Konqueror always displays the tab bar?
[09:07] <mhb> nixternal: all the other browsers hide it if there's just one window
[09:07] <nixternal> I believe we make that a default
[09:08] <nixternal> I am not 100% positive though...maybe KDE makes that a default
[09:08] <mhb> nixternal: well, I wanted to know the rationale
[09:08] <nixternal> if I use other browsers, I change it to mock konqui
[09:09] <mhb> nixternal: I prefer the tab bar to be hidden so there's more space for content when I have only one tab open... I may be the only person in the world, though :o)
[09:09] <nixternal> hehe
[09:09] <nixternal> I guess I have just gotten used to it
[09:18] <nixternal> how do you change the resolution of the KDM window?
[09:18] <ScottK> Riddell: I noticed that lighttpd 1.4.11-3ubuntu3.2 is still sitting in dapper-proposed even after you released lighttpd 1.4.11-3ubuntu3.3 to dapper-updates.  Dunno if that needs cleanup or not, but thought I'd mention it just in case.
[09:19] <mhb> nixternal: you mean the background one?
[09:20] <nixternal> well the resolution at the login screen is what I need to change
[09:20] <nixternal> it is huge right now
[09:20] <mhb> not sure
[09:20] <nixternal> it needs to be at 1440x900...i thought you could do it in kcontrol as I know I have done it before..but I cannot remember
[09:20] <mhb> ryanakca played with kdm some time back but he's on vacation now
[09:21] <nixternal> campin' with the bears
[09:22] <ScottK> nixternal: I thought it was "da Bears" where you are?
[09:23] <Riddell> ScottK: it can just stay there
[09:23] <ScottK> Riddell: OK.  Thanks.
[09:27] <fdoving> nixternal: i belive kdm will just use what is your default X resolution. if you change it with randr or something when you login that won't affect kdm.
[09:28] <nixternal> I changed it with System Settings and it didn't change..there is probably something stuck
[09:48] <manchicken> mhb: I didn't know about the apport support.
[09:48] <manchicken> That's interesting.
[10:32] <nixternal> anyone familiar with ksensors and/or hddtemp?
[11:23] <mhb> ScottK: that guy you're dealing with on bug tracker probably encountered an amd64 adept breakage
[11:23] <ScottK> AH.
[11:23] <mhb> ScottK: because that's what has happened to me & nixternal today
[11:23] <ScottK> Is it fixed?
[11:23] <nixternal> nope
[11:23] <nixternal> FTBS
[11:24] <ScottK> Argh.
[11:24] <mhb> 23:02 < Riddell> pitti: could you give back adept on amd64, libept should be installable now
[11:24] <mhb> ScottK: ^^
[11:25] <ScottK> But it hasn't happened yet?
[11:25] <mhb> ScottK: not yet, I'm afraid
[11:26] <ScottK> ? http://launchpadlibrarian.net/8699343/buildlog_ubuntu-gutsy-amd64.adept_2.1.3ubuntu4_FULLYBUILT.txt.gz
[11:26] <ScottK> I'm now confused.
[11:26] <ScottK> LP seems to think it's built.
[11:27] <mhb> 23:01 < Riddell> "gutsy amd64  Failed to build"  do you have an amd64 mhb?
[11:27] <mhb> ^^ jr said it wasn't, at least it seems so to me
[11:29] <Riddell> ScottK: it's just been (re)built
[11:29] <Riddell> should be in the archives soonish
[11:30] <ScottK> Cool.
[11:30] <nixternal> not, cool!
[11:30] <nixternal> GROOVY!
[11:30] <nixternal> ;)
[11:36] <mhb> anyone here ready for some testing?
[11:40] <mhb> nixternal: if you could check out https://code.launchpad.net/~martin.bohm/restricted-manager/k-r-m , debuild it, install it and try it, that'd be groovy
[11:40] <nixternal> roger that
[11:40] <mhb> nixternal: unfortunately it needs adept to install :o(
[11:41] <nixternal> I will do it on my 32bit box
[11:41] <nixternal> well if I build it I can use trusty ol' cli
[11:41] <nixternal> fetching it now
[11:42] <mhb> nixternal: it needs to be tested extensively, because if it gets uploaded tomorrow it might be one of the highlights for the next tribe
[11:42] <mhb> nixternal: err, intesively :o)
[11:42] <nixternal> roger that
[11:46] <nixternal> howdy imbrandon
[11:46] <imbrandon> heya nix
[11:46] <nixternal> how goeth the life?
[11:46] <imbrandon> brb , got some server issues to work on, bbiab
[11:46] <nixternal> ooh fun
[11:46] <imbrandon> good good, just a busy night
[11:46] <imbrandon> ;)
[11:46] <imbrandon> brb
[11:47] <nixternal> roger dodger
[11:48] <imbrandon> nixternal, know of a decient cpu-z replacement ( and no i dont mean "cat /proc/cpuinfo" is good nuff ) full GUI etc etc etc
[11:48] <nixternal> KSensors
[11:48] <nixternal> err
[11:48] <nixternal> might be more than you want
[11:49] <imbrandon> nah, even more, i might just have to clobber a python-qt/kde app togather as a proof of concept
[11:49] <imbrandon> all the info is there its just spread out in /proc/* and other places
[11:49] <imbrandon> heh
[11:50] <nixternal> imbrandon: funny you say that, I was going to start working on one similar
[11:50] <nixternal> isn't cpu-z a windows only app? or is that what you are looking for?
[11:50] <imbrandon> nice, go for it, i'll test and maybe code a line or two if i get an itch, i really dont have the time to put into it
[11:50] <imbrandon> yea its a windows only app, but i want it for (k)ubuntu
[11:51] <imbrandon> should be simple, all the same info is explosed somewhere in the proc tree, it just needs to be gui-ified
[11:51] <nixternal> I will have to isntall it on Windows and check it out...create a gui that is similar and then rock from there
[11:51] <nixternal> KSensors is about the closest thing that I know of right now
[11:51] <imbrandon> there is probably screenshots somewhere, its a simple 2 or 3 tab app with no interaction
[11:52] <nixternal> KSensors is a dupe of Motherboard Monitor if you remember that
[11:52] <imbrandon> you only run it and it outputs comp info to the screen, like windows device manager for your motherboard and cpu on crack
[11:52] <nixternal> ahh
[11:52] <imbrandon> ok, sorry , got to run, back in a bit
[11:53] <nixternal> oh ya, I remember cpu-z
[11:53] <nixternal> as a matter of fact, someone kde-apps has written one with kommander I believe
[11:54] <imbrandon> nixternal, ahh yea, here we go, just like this ( and the other tabs ) http://news.softpedia.com/images/reviews/large/CPU-Z_01large.png
[11:54] <nixternal> haha, that is what I am reading right now
[11:54] <imbrandon> cool, i'll dig on kde-apps later
[11:57] <nixternal> ScottK: remember we were talking about project yesterday or what not? well the other app I was trying to think of was TaskJuggler...it is very similar as well...very nice app
[12:01] <ScottK> Ah.
[12:01] <ScottK> Thanks.