[12:13] <stdin> luca: that's in kde4's kwin
[12:14] <luca> how would I enable that? 'cause it's not enabled by default :)
[12:14] <bodlytoo> luca: right click on a window title bar and click on "Configure Window Behavior"
[12:14] <bodlytoo> luca: then click on desktop effects
[12:15] <luca> ok
[12:15] <luca> done
[12:16] <luca> now I would need the keys though :P
[12:16] <bodlytoo> luca: i'm not sure about that.  sorry
[12:17] <luca> no problem, thanks anyway :)
[12:18] <level1> Hi, whats the kubntu way to installing proprietary media formats? !mp3 gives a page that is oriented towards ubuntu users
[12:19] <pingbat> Ok, question: Why is the filesystem case sensetive, is it only ext* or are reiserfs etc also case sensetive?
[12:19] <pingbat> I find the ambiguity annoying
[12:20] <stdin> pingbat: most (if not all) linux and unix ones are
[12:20] <stdin> fat and ntfs I don't think are
[12:36] <level1> !mp3
[12:36] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[12:36] <level1> ugh, not helpful
[12:37] <level1> that website is very gnome oriented... how do I do it in kde?
[12:37] <level1> is there a package I can just apt-get?
[12:37] <ardchoille> level1: how do you do what?
[12:37] <ardchoille> level1: xmms plays mp3's out of the box: sudo apt-get install xmms
[12:38] <level1> ardchoille: um, I basically want mp3 support in amarok... also, I want to be able to play a few anime's I have
[12:38] <ardchoille> level1: amarok can play mp3's, but I forget how to do it
[12:38] <thoreauputic> level1: amarok plays mp3 too - install libxine-extracodecs
[12:38] <level1> ardchoille: I know I can get a lot of it in medibuntu
[12:38] <level1> thoreauputic: is there a one step solution?  there is in gnome, but the page doesn't describe one that works in kde
[12:39] <level1> thoreauputic: the problem is that synaptic has an option to enable all this stuff, but i can't find it in kde
[12:39] <thoreauputic> level1: as I said, install libxine-extracodecs
[12:39] <ardchoille> level1: libxine-extracodecs has a lot of codecs for various uses
[12:39] <level1> okay
[12:39] <thoreauputic> level1: yeah, the synaptic option is mostly gstreamer stuff
[12:39] <zimmo> does anybody know the console command to restart kde session with login?
[12:40] <zimmo> i have discovered that you can do the "ps -d" and then "kill ..." to do it but...
[12:40] <thoreauputic> zimmo: you mean  sudo /etc/init.d/kdm restart  ?
[12:40] <zimmo> thats ittttttttt
[12:40] <zimmo> easier!
[12:40] <thoreauputic> :)
[12:40] <level1> zimmo: I do it with killall... that way you don't have to figure out the pid
[12:41] <zimmo> hm...
[12:41] <level1> "killall firefox-bin" will kill all versions of firefox.
[12:41] <zimmo> talking about the firefox
[12:41] <jhutchins> zimmo: Smarter to use the init scripts for daemons like kdm.
[12:41] <zimmo> i have download the 2.0.0.6 but anyway it has no ./configure file
[12:41] <ardchoille> level1: There will come a time when killall is not a good idea. I feel you should learn how to identify pid's, it'll make things easier someday
[12:42] <zimmo> and i can not start the update file
[12:43] <ardchoille> level1: and "ps aux | grep <appname>" will help a lot.
[12:43] <level1> ardchoille: really?  when is killall a problem?
[12:44] <zimmo> ardchoille: yes, "ps aux" has more information printed than "ps -d"
[12:44] <ardchoille> level1: suppose you have four instances of an app running but only want to kill a specific instance. killall will kill all of them instead of just one. This is when using pid's can be helpful
[12:45] <draik> How do I find out if my friend's laptop has 1 or 2 processors? And it's/their speed?
[12:45] <level1> ardchoille: I've never been in that situation... besides, how would I know which one is which?
[12:46] <stdin> draik: cat /proc/cpuinfo (or look in kinfocenter)
[12:46] <ardchoille> level1: I was in your situation once :) Learn how to investigate processes and use pid's.
[12:46] <ardchoille> level1: Ver helpful if one of those instances is taking up 100% of the cpu (seen in top).
[12:47] <draik> 2 @ 1.83GHz each.
[12:47] <draik> Thank you stdin
[12:47] <ardchoille> System administration.. it's not just for nreds anymore, lol
[12:47] <ardchoille> *nerds
[12:48] <stdin> we're not nerds!
[12:48] <stdin> we're geeks :)
[12:48] <Dragnslcr> draik- I kinda doubt a laptop would have two processors. If it's a new laptop, it's more likely a dual core
[12:48] <ardchoille> stdin: :)
[12:48] <draik> Dragnslcr: It's a recently new laptop. It had vista on it. She wants Kubuntu so I am giving it to her
[12:49] <Dragnslcr> Yeah, I'd definitely assume it's a dual core CPU
[12:49] <draik> So it's only one? But then why show 2 CPUs? Processor 0 and Processor 1.
[12:49] <stdin> dual core is mostly the same as 2 cpus, they are just in the same case :)
[12:50] <stdin> ^ general explanation
[12:50] <draik> Also, the vmware-server on her Kubuntu install keeps giving this error message: Unable to change virtual machine power state: The propcess exited with an error: Endo of error message.
[12:51] <draik> Do I put that there is only one or two processors when in the Server options?
[12:51] <stdin> it's not how many there are, it's how many you want it to use
[12:52] <draik> Oh. Two it is
[12:52] <level1__> !nvidia
[12:52] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[12:53] <draik> Any clue about why I'm getting that error on her laptop?
[01:25] <Level15> hi. is there anyway to do something like old dos fdisk /mbr on linux?
[01:26] <Minataku> Level15: Sort of
[01:26] <Minataku> !grub
[01:26] <ubotu> grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[01:26] <__-osh-__> Level15: fdisk is availible on linux too. have a look at the documentation.
[01:27] <Minataku> You need to put GRUB back into the MBR
[01:27] <Level15> __-osh-__: haven't seen any linux fdisk flags for doing that
[01:27] <Level15> no, i have grub there... i'm trying to get rid of it :P
[01:27] <Minataku> Level15: Why?
[01:27] <Minataku> It's the bootloader, it's an essential part of the system
[01:28] <Level15> Minataku: i have a hell of partition scheme, so i'll delete averything but the windows partition, then reinstall... but if i do that, i can't go to win b/c grub will complain about the missing partitions
[01:28] <Minataku> Level15: Then boot into Windows and fdisk /mbr
[01:29] <Level15> winxp does not have that, afaik
[01:33] <Biovore> Windows NT - Insert wallet into Drive A: and press any key to empty.
[01:33] <TheCreationist> Could someone please suggest a full-featured telnet client for connecting to BBS systems?
[01:33] <Biovore> hmm how about telnet ?
[01:33] <Level15> what's a bbs system?
[01:33] <Level15> n/m, i'll google 4 it
[01:33] <TheCreationist> Biovore: Does that offer full ANSI support?
[01:33] <Biovore> old school forums system used back in the day..
[01:34] <TheCreationist> Level15: If you don't know, you probably wouldn't be interested ;)
[01:34] <sfire> TheCreationist: There are a few programs out there for doing it.. I use the regular telnet client in linux
[01:34] <Biovore> TheCreationist: sure.. pop open a terminal and type telnet <ipaddress> <port>  full ansi ascii and uni-code
[01:34] <Biovore> vt320 compilant..
[01:34] <sfire> don't hear people asking about BBS's that often
[01:35] <sfire> hehehehehe :)
[01:35] <TheCreationist> Biovore: Hmm... seems very slow with the input, though.
[01:35] <TheCreationist> sfire: I got started with computers with a 1200 baud modem and local BBSes ;)
[01:35] <TheCreationist> Spent 3 hours downloading 1mb games ;)
[01:36] <Biovore> 300 buad via radio teletype here :-P
[01:36] <sfire> my first was a 300 baud
[01:36] <TheCreationist> OKay, got me beat
[01:37] <Biovore> For the world cup some guys where running a bbs where you connected to it and it gave you a live ascii tv picture of the current soccer game.. was kinda cool..
[01:38] <TheCreationist> Biovore: Haha, doesn't get much geekier than that.
[01:38] <TheCreationist> Yes!  Legend of the Red Dragon!
[01:39] <Biovore> bbs morpg
[01:39] <jrattner> Question: Is there any kde equivalent to the gnome system monitor
[01:39] <Biovore> yes
[01:40] <Biovore> jrattner: sysguard I think is what its called.. right click on the kicker and add it.. its a kicker applet.. like the clock..
[01:40] <jrattner> billytwowilly, called?
[01:40] <TheCreationist> Okay, so telnet is fine, but is there a gnome app for doing it?
[01:40] <jrattner> Biovore, and I can kill processes from it
[01:40] <Biovore> TheCreationist: xterm?
[01:41] <Biovore> jrattner: if you have a graphical process hanging you might want to have xkill hanging around on the desktop..
[01:41] <Biovore> jrattner: sysguard just shows system resource usesage.. there is another program for all the processes and such..
[01:42] <jrattner> Biovore, whats the most effective way of killing processes through a GUI? I want to hotkey it to control + Alt + Delete on the keyboard
[01:42] <TheCreationist> Biovore: No, I mean a dedicated telnet client.  I guess I'm thinking of something like the old-school DOS clients
[01:42] <Biovore> jrattner: sysguard shows processes and such as well..
[01:42] <Biovore> jrattner: if you run it from menu
[01:42] <jrattner> Biovore, ah neat
[01:43] <Biovore> jrattner: works a but like windows taskmanger..
[01:43] <Biovore> jrattner: you can do things like re-pritoritize a process
[01:44] <jrattner> Biovore, how do i hot-key it to control+alt+delete?
[01:44] <Biovore> jrattner: um.. you could make ctrl-alt-delete to sysguard..  But I would pick a different combination instead..
[01:45] <jrattner> Biovore, where would i link it
[01:45] <jrattner> why what combo would you pick
[01:45] <jerieljan> gui wise, it should be k menu > system settings > keyboard and mouse > keyboard shortcuts, isn't it?
[01:45] <Biovore> jrattner: I think you have to run kcontrol to get the full kde control panel and do it in there somewhere..
[01:45] <jrattner> ok
[01:46] <Biovore> yeah you can do it though there it looks like as well..
[01:46] <Biovore> its under the command short cut tab
[01:47] <Biovore> jrattner: ctrl-alt-delete is mapped to logout I think though..
[01:47] <cplusplus> whats wrong here? http://www.rafb.net/p/14Dxjg11.html
[01:47] <cplusplus> cant format to reiserfs?
[01:48] <Biovore> cplusplus: try using the device and not the mount location..  umount a device from filesystem before reformating..
[01:48] <jrattner> great i got it
[01:48] <jrattner> thanks alot
[01:48] <cplusplus> oh shit
[01:49] <Level15> cplusplus: well, i doubt /xfs is a block device, so... you can't format it
[01:49] <Biovore> cool
[01:49] <cplusplus> than it should work?
[01:49] <Biovore> yup
[01:49] <cplusplus> problem is that its mountet!
[01:49] <Biovore> mkfs.reiserfs /dev/hda2
[01:49] <cplusplus> yeah;)
[01:50] <cplusplus> does someone know the postmark benchmark?
[01:51] <Level15> can i log my konsole to file?
[01:51] <Biovore> Level15: I think you can..  ussualy we use the > redirector to save the output of a operation to a file..
[01:51] <Biovore> cat /etc/fstab > log.txt
[01:52] <Level15> late for that, command running and i don't feel like restaring... that's why i need konsole to do the logging
[01:52] <Biovore> cat /etc/mtab >> log.txt  <-- appends
[01:53] <Biovore> Level15: there might be a way. But I am not sure.. I never do anything that way..
[01:54] <Level15> i didn't expect this thing to print out so much stuff
[01:54] <Biovore> well you can scroll back though the history and copy and paste into kate probably..
[01:56] <swilson> is there a way to install windows xp from the cd while logged on?
[01:56] <Biovore> swilson: why would want to install windows.. :-P
[01:57] <swilson> i cant do anything on linux i dont know commands and i cant play certain games and stuff
[01:57] <swilson> and when i run the cd from boot it freezes and its a new cd
[01:57] <Biovore> a windows XP cd?
[01:57] <swilson> yes it skips a couple of pages and the locks up
[01:58] <Biovore> swilson: cd is probably messed up..
[01:58] <Biovore> having linux installed should effect the windows installer
[01:58] <swilson> the cd worked fine on my other computer
[01:58] <swilson> it didnt have linux though
[01:59] <Biovore> the windows installer dosn't care
[01:59] <swilson> is there a way to run it from here? instead of boot?
[01:59] <Biovore> your not runing linux.. you didn't boot it.. thus it has nothing to do with the windows stuff dieding..
[01:59] <swilson> so you have to use it by cd boot?
[02:00] <Biovore> you can monkey boot other unix oses from linux.. but windows dosn't provide a kernel interface for doing it..
[02:00] <cplusplus> what is a .deb file?
[02:00] <Biovore> its a program
[02:00] <cplusplus> for kubuntu?
[02:00] <Biovore> in a compressed format..   basicly a zip with some extra infomation..
[02:00] <jerieljan> or an installer
[02:00] <jerieljan> unless im wrong
[02:00] <Biovore> .deb is debian package..
[02:00] <cplusplus> -> http://packages.ubuntu.com/cgi-bin/download.pl?arch=i386&file=pool%2Funiverse%2Fp%2Fpostmark%2Fpostmark_1.51-5_i386.deb&md5sum=a9ba6891127515280bbba6ad0200f2f4&arch=i386&type=main
[02:00] <cplusplus> its under ubuntu!
[02:00] <cplusplus> hm
[02:01] <Biovore> ubuntu is a debian based linux
[02:01] <cplusplus> how could i extract and install this .deb package?
[02:01] <Biovore> most debian packages will work on ubuntu..
[02:01] <Biovore> cplusplus: sudo dpkg -i <filename.deb>
[02:01] <Biovore> cplusplus: you can also use apt to search for .deb in the repos and the os will download and install them for you..
[02:01] <cplusplus> thanks
[02:02] <cplusplus> how to search?
[02:02] <cplusplus> i used apt-get install postmakr
[02:02] <cplusplus> postmark
[02:02] <cplusplus> but didnt find any package
[02:02] <Biovore> .debs from the repos are guarented not to be hacks and should work without breaking stuff..
[02:02] <Biovore> cplusplus: I use the console for most of that stuff here..  sudo apt-cache search <thing>
[02:02] <cplusplus> ah ok
[02:02] <Biovore> cplusplus: sudo apt-get install <package_name>
[02:03] <Biovore> cplusplus: there is a gui thing call adept that dose the same stuff
[02:03] <cplusplus> ->
[02:03] <cplusplus> root@gerald-desktop:/home/gerald# sudo apt-cache search postmark
[02:03] <cplusplus> postmark - File system benchmark from NetApp
[02:03] <Biovore> bam..
[02:03] <Biovore> sudo apt-get install postmark
[02:03] <Biovore> done..
[02:03] <cplusplus> no!
[02:03] <cplusplus> didnt find it before!
[02:03] <swilson> whats monkey boot?
[02:04] <Biovore> sudo apt-get update freshes your system with the repos..
[02:04] <Biovore> swilson: kexec kernel thing.. allows you to execute a new kernel with out rebooting the computer.. its really trick and defently not recomended to anyone but pros..
[02:04] <cplusplus> ok nice
[02:05] <swilson> but will that let me run the xp cd?
[02:05] <Biovore> nope
[02:05] <Biovore> do you know what the kernel entry point is?
[02:05] <swilson> i want xp back :(
[02:05] <swilson> i dont know anything about linux
[02:05] <swilson> or computers
[02:05] <DaSkreech> swilson: :)
[02:06] <DaSkreech> swilson: What's the problem?
[02:06] <Biovore> if you put the XP disk the drive and boot from it, it should install..  linux has nothing to do with it..
[02:06] <pingbat> What's the problem swilson
[02:06] <swilson> i know it doesnt but....
[02:06] <pingbat> did you erase your xp installation?
[02:06] <swilson> the cd locks up on this computer
[02:06] <swilson> the cd works fine on other computers
[02:06] <swilson> so its not the cd
[02:06] <Biovore> yeah his XP installer locks up is box..
[02:06] <Maxdamantus> swilson, take the hard disk out then.
[02:06] <DaSkreech> swilson: Maybe an issue with the box?
[02:06] <Maxdamantus> And put it into another computer.
[02:07] <Maxdamantus> And install there.
[02:07] <swilson> i cant
[02:07] <swilson> its a different kind of hard disk
[02:07] <Maxdamantus> Then put the hard disk back.
[02:07] <swilson> its serial
[02:07] <Maxdamantus> SATA?
[02:07] <Biovore> swilson: you have a ubuntu boot disk?
[02:07] <swilson> yes
[02:07] <swilson> yes to both of you
[02:07] <pingbat> i doubt the hard disk is the reason
[02:07] <Maxdamantus> Get a SATA external enclosure.
[02:07] <swilson> i dont know what that is and i dont know how to get it
[02:07] <Biovore> swilson: you can null out the disk with a ubuntu boot disk so the disk is completly blank..
[02:07] <pingbat> xp loads a load of drivers before install
[02:08] <Maxdamantus> Biovore, how do you do that?
[02:08] <swilson> i had the disk completely erased three times
[02:08] <Maxdamantus> Just wondering, because I'm gonna do it with my 250gb..
[02:08] <Biovore> dd if=/dev/zerp of=/dev/<device node>   <-- don't do that unless you want to write all zeros to your disk..
[02:08] <Maxdamantus> Will save me a reboot if I do it here rather than in DBaN.
[02:08] <Maxdamantus> Mk.
[02:08] <pingbat> you'll never need to zero out a hard disk
[02:08] <Biovore> ^ agreed
[02:08] <Maxdamantus> pingbat, why not?
[02:09] <pingbat> unless you want to do it for security
[02:09] <Biovore> zeros are bad for security
[02:09] <Level15> pingbat: for security it's better to use /dev/random
[02:09] <swilson> i just want to run the cd right now i tried the ./ thingy and it said permission denied
[02:09] <Biovore> Level15: agreed
[02:09] <Maxdamantus> My 250gb has kept on giving me a "WARNING: SMART ERROR" ever since I tried booting from it on my other computer.
[02:09] <Maxdamantus> And it seems fairly corrupted, so I'm gonna erase the entire thing, and start it again.
[02:09] <pingbat> I would venture that the problem is with the cd drive or the cd
[02:10] <Maxdamantus> It only had 9gb of data on it, which I backed up.
[02:10] <miles> hello?
[02:10] <nosrednaekim> hello
[02:10] <pingbat> SMART error means the drive is broken
[02:10] <Biovore> Maxdamantus: could be the disk is developing bad sectors and the recovery mechnisem is saving your but..
[02:10] <Level15> Maxdamantus: i think smart errors are hw errors, so zeroing it won't help
[02:10] <pingbat> or will soon break.
[02:10] <miles> sorry, im using bitchx, not used to it
[02:10] <swilson> i have the cd open and im looking at the files cant i just run them some how?
[02:10] <miles> bitchx is aight
[02:10] <Biovore> miles: bit of a learning curve with bitchx though..
[02:10] <Maxdamantus> Level15, then how could another computer cause it?
[02:10] <nosrednaekim> !ohmy | miles
[02:10] <ubotu> miles: Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[02:10] <Maxdamantus> It must be software related.
[02:10] <nosrednaekim> ;)
[02:10] <Maxdamantus> It did it with my 40gb hdd too.
[02:11] <Level15> Maxdamantus: maybe when moving the HD from one box to the other it was hit or something...
[02:11] <pingbat> SMART is supposed to warn you that there sis a problem with the drive and that it should be replaced and backed up
[02:11] <Biovore> ESD for the loss..
[02:11] <Maxdamantus> Level15, I doubt that two HDs had the same problem from being hit.
[02:11] <Maxdamantus> At the same time.
[02:11] <Level15> 2 hds? i missed something then
[02:11] <pingbat> if you disable SMART in the bios the error will go away but you're at risk of data loss
[02:12] <Maxdamantus> [12:09:49]   <Maxdamantus> It did it with my 40gb hdd too.
[02:12] <miles> why did you send ubotu after me?
[02:12] <Biovore> miles: hes pulling your chain because your on bitchx
[02:12] <miles> bitchx is a popular IRC client
[02:12] <miles> o
[02:12] <pingbat> maybe the mtherboard is frying the HDD's
[02:13] <pingbat> or the environment is too humid
[02:13] <Maxdamantus> pingbat, frying?
[02:13] <Maxdamantus> pingbat, it wasn't inside the box.
[02:13] <pingbat> SMART is not software related
[02:13] <Biovore> pingbat: not humid enough would make ESD a probably problem..
[02:13] <Maxdamantus> I tested them outside, with the IDE cables coming out.
[02:13] <Maxdamantus> I tried my 40gb, 250gb, and 80gb.
[02:13] <Biovore> ^ defently not ESD safe..
[02:13] <TheCreationist> I'm trying to find a telnet client that will let me connect to BBS systems, but 'telnet' displays ANSI characters improperly.  Are there any full-featured GUI clients that anyone knows about?
[02:14] <Maxdamantus> It wouldn't detect the 250gb or 80gb... Just froze at boot.
[02:14] <pingbat> no, i mean that the MB is overpowering the IDE/SATA
[02:14] <Maxdamantus> And it generated a SMART ERROR on the 40gb and 250gb.
[02:14] <pingbat> try to disable SMART in the bios
[02:14] <Maxdamantus> I'll just erase the disk first.
[02:14] <swilson> Failed to execute child process "/media/cdrom0/setup.exe" (Permission denied). how do i fix this?
[02:14] <miles> sudo
[02:14] <Biovore> well .exe is a windows executable.. not linux
[02:15] <miles> sudo wine
[02:15] <swilson> its the cd i want to run it >.<
[02:15] <pingbat> Listen, SMART tells you that the HDD is going to fail soon
[02:15] <Biovore> lol install windows though wine.. I would love to see that one.. roflz
[02:15] <miles> lol u silly
[02:15] <Maxdamantus> miles, Windows XP won't install through Wine.
[02:15] <jerware> what package to apt-get to watch flash and you tube?  konqueror-plugin-gnash doesent work.
[02:15] <pingbat> if you try to use is as a system hard drive, you are at serious risk of losing all the data stored on it
[02:15] <miles> sorry, i came in half-way thru, i didnt know it was windows u were talking about
[02:15] <jerware> konqueror-plugin-gnash - free Flash movie player - Plugin for Konqueror
[02:15] <swilson> how can i install it if i cant use the boot?
[02:15] <miles> try "sudo apt-get install windows-xp"
[02:15] <pingbat> haha
[02:15] <Biovore> swilson: you can't.. you have to boot it..
[02:16] <swilson> but it freezes :(
[02:16] <Biovore> not our problem.. call M$ support..
[02:16] <miles> i was reading this article on how windows silverlight has been ported to linux already
[02:16] <Biovore> swilson: if your booting of the CD.. it has nothing to do with linux..
[02:16] <Level15> wtf is win silverlight?
[02:16] <pingbat> swilson: http://www.ubcd4win.com/
[02:16] <miles> web 2.0 rich media application nonsense
[02:17] <miles> its still in beta i believe, i work with a bill gates sympathizer, he loves anything ms
[02:17] <spartan01_> hey, how do you install a printer in linux?
[02:17] <spartan01_> actually, I think I just found it
[02:17] <jerware> localhost:183
[02:17] <Biovore> spartan01_: under system settings | printers
[02:17] <jerware> or is it 163
[02:17] <nosrednaekim> spartan01_: "apt-get buy printer"?
[02:17] <Biovore> lol
[02:17] <spartan01_> yup just foud it
[02:17] <miles> pretty soon, all windows development work will be done on linux
[02:18] <spartan01_> hah
[02:18] <spartan01_> very funny
[02:18] <nosrednaekim> AH! forgot the sud.... uh sorry "visa"
[02:18] <Maxdamantus> $ sudo dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdc
[02:18] <Maxdamantus> Xd
[02:18] <Maxdamantus> Goodbye 250gb.
[02:18] <Level15> oops, it was not /dev/sdc :P
[02:18] <miles> maxdamantus, that reformats?
[02:18] <Maxdamantus> Oh shit, it's not.
[02:19] <Maxdamantus> How can I get my data back?
[02:19] <Biovore> miles: that just zeros out the disk.. nothing on it.. like from the factory..
[02:19] <Level15> Maxdamantus: hire a chaman
[02:19] <Level15> Maxdamantus: and a medium as well
[02:19] <miles> ok ive never seen that before...im guess "if=/path" = Input File ?
[02:19] <Maxdamantus> Biovore, generally, factories ship it with something like FAT32, or at least a partition table.
[02:19] <Maxdamantus> label*
[02:19] <Level15> Maxdamantus: true
[02:19] <miles> of=Output File?
[02:20] <Level15> miles: yes
[02:20] <miles> word...
[02:20] <miles> so /dev/zero puts all zeros on, /dev/null does?
[02:20] <pingbat> Maxadamantus, stick teh hdd in someone else's machine and buy a new one
[02:20] <Maxdamantus> pingbat, like who's?
[02:20] <pingbat> 250GB hdd's cost next to nothing
[02:20] <Maxdamantus> pingbat, not here.
[02:21] <miles> where is here?
[02:21] <Level15> there
[02:21] <Level15> :P
[02:21] <miles> oic
[02:21] <Maxdamantus> New Zealand.
[02:21] <pingbat> who do you know that has a pc?
[02:21] <miles> www.newegg.com
[02:21] <draik> Maxdamantus: Like mine ;)
[02:21] <pingbat> Hell, NZ is full of pc's :-D
[02:21] <Maxdamantus> pingbat, no one who needs a 250gb HDD.
[02:21] <pingbat> haha
[02:21] <Maxdamantus> pingbat, http://trademe.co.nz/
[02:21] <Level15> you can use it as a paperholder as well
[02:21] <Maxdamantus> Search for IDE HDDs.
[02:22] <miles> ide hdd are teh weaksauce
[02:22] <pingbat> it's going to fail anyway so buy a new one
[02:22] <Level15> which reminds me i want an external keyboard for my laptop
[02:22] <pingbat> stick the old one in an enclosure
[02:22] <Maxdamantus> Hmm.. Btw, do you mean "zero" as in ASCII0?
[02:22] <TheCreationist> I'm trying to find a telnet client that will let me connect to BBS systems, but 'telnet' displays ANSI characters improperly.  Are there any full-featured GUI clients that anyone knows about?
[02:22] <pingbat> use for unimportant things
[02:22] <Maxdamantus> Or something else?
[02:22] <Biovore> Maxdamantus: as in 0x00
[02:22] <Maxdamantus> Ok.
[02:23] <pingbat> well, technically i think it's 0000
[02:23] <Maxdamantus> Like /dev/cpu/0/msr on Gentoo?
[02:23] <miles> when is yahoo.com going to accept konqueror as a browseR?
[02:23] <Level15> miles: same question about google
[02:23] <pingbat> when you get firefox
[02:24] <pingbat> same for google
[02:24] <pingbat> sod's law
[02:24] <Biovore> The only reason google works good with firefox that there is money flowing there..
[02:24] <miles> www.blackle.com > www.google.com
[02:24] <Biovore> rgr
[02:25] <Biovore> back background is easier on my eyes
[02:25] <pingbat> hehe, get swiftweasel or something similar then
[02:25] <miles> i just like blackle.com because its "green"!
[02:25] <miles> or is the buzz word "green-friendly"
[02:25] <miles> blackle.com is thinking green?
[02:26] <pingbat> swiftweasel is 100% firefox compatible and completely oss
[02:26] <Biovore> debian called it iceweasel :-P
[02:26] <Level15> pingbat: wasn't that iceweasel? or did they change the name?
[02:26] <pingbat> different things
[02:26] <miles> i got xara lx today, that program is pretty sick
[02:26] <Biovore> the debian guys did that because they don't like firefox..  fire -> ice   fox -> weasle..
[02:27] <draik> Is there something that can read *.daa files (Dumb Advanced Archive for all I know. It's like an ISO, but k3b won't read it as such)
[02:27] <pingbat> i reckon a weasel might take a fox
[02:27] <miles> no way, a fox would kill a weasel for breakfast
[02:28] <miles> and then the foxes friends would be like "lol pwnd"
[02:28] <Level15> i'm about to delete my partitions and reinstall... should i install x86 or x86_64?
[02:28] <miles> x86
[02:28] <miles> x86_64 has no real Flash solution
[02:28] <pingbat> noo, install 64 bi and just get a 32bit browser
[02:29] <pingbat> such as swiftweasel
[02:29] <miles> that isnt a work around
[02:29] <Level15> that means i need to go get a CD... which is kind of boring...
[02:29] <pingbat> there's a script for it, it isntalls 32 bit swiftweasel along with 32bit flash and java
[02:29] <pingbat> works perfectly
[02:29] <miles> so you are telling me that i can get flash to work on kubuntu 64bit?
[02:30] <pingbat> yup
[02:30] <pingbat> i'll link you in a minute
[02:30] <miles> good, gnash blows (sorry stallman)
[02:30] <miles> thanks
[02:30] <pingbat> it does blow
[02:30] <miles> i understand its far from official, but still, i cant watch any vids on youtube
[02:30] <pingbat> opinions on Xfce??
[02:30] <pingbat> yeah
[02:30] <miles> i use xubuntu on my work laptop
[02:31] <miles> i like it
[02:31] <pingbat> it's all legal
[02:31] <miles> i just apt-get any kde tool i want
[02:31] <Level15> miles: install kubuntu 64, download netscape 9, run it from its folder... it will run fine as a 32 bit application, and will d/l any plugins it needs
[02:31] <Biovore> flash works on 64bit..  use use the 32bit flash in a 32bit emulation mode..
[02:31] <ardchoille> pingbat: I found xfce to be fast and lightweight. Nice, fast and very good-looking.
[02:31] <miles> see, i wasnt sure if you could emulate it, im guessing via wine?
[02:31] <Biovore> yup.. I have xfce on one of my computers..
[02:31] <pingbat> better than kde? which i prefer to gnome
[02:32] <miles> xubuntu is nice because it is lightweight
[02:32] <Biovore> xfce uses gtk for rendering..
[02:32] <ardchoille> pingbat: "better" is simply personal preference.
[02:32] <Biovore> well the xubuntu implmentation is kinda heavy though...
[02:32] <miles> better in terms of performance*
[02:32] <pingbat> yes well
[02:32] <miles> mousepad, the default text ed for xfce, loads in less than a second
[02:33] <Biovore> yeah.. but mousepad is very basic..
[02:33] <miles> but no syntax highlighting
[02:33] <miles> yea
[02:33] <Biovore> kate can do all kinds of things..
[02:33] <miles> kate pwns, but takes a min to load
[02:33] <Biovore> columb edit mode in kate is awsome..
[02:33] <Level15> emacs -nw loads in less than a second ;)
[02:33] <Biovore> lol
[02:33] <Biovore> same with vim
[02:33] <miles> let me try that level15
[02:34] <pingbat> here is the script: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=202537
[02:34] <pingbat> i'll be running it myself for the 3rd time in 30 minutes
[02:34] <miles> thanks for link
[02:35] <pingbat> it installs your choice of browser, flash, java 6 etc
[02:35] <miles> is anyone else not going to upgrade to gutsy?
[02:35] <Level15> i'm so lazy, i don't want to reinstall...
[02:36] <pingbat> when is the release due for gutsy, is it beta?
[02:36] <Level15> i want kde4
[02:36] <pingbat> me too
[02:36] <DaSkreech> Level15: Eh?
[02:36] <pingbat> imo kde is far better than gnome
[02:37] <miles> kde crushes gnome
[02:37] <pingbat> gnome is boring
[02:37] <Level15> pingbat: agree
[02:37] <miles> gnome cant do anything right
[02:37] <Biovore> I liked the older gnomes better then the new ones..
[02:37] <miles> gutsy is coming out in october
[02:37] <miles> but i dont think kubuntu 7.10 will have kde4
[02:37] <Level15> not likely
[02:37] <DaSkreech> miles: Not by defulat
[02:37] <DaSkreech> Default
[02:38] <pingbat> well, it also can't do anything wrong in that it isn't very configureable n the surface s novices don't mess stuff up
[02:38] <DaSkreech> There are plans for a 7.10 standalone CD with KDE4 though
[02:38] <Level15> DaSkreech: official?
[02:38] <pingbat> anyone tried enlightenment?
[02:38] <miles> !enlightenment
[02:38] <ubotu> Enlightenment (or "E") is a window manager for X, providing a useful, and good looking graphical shell in which to work. E17 is the current development version.
[02:38] <DaSkreech> Level15: What do you mean by that?
[02:38] <Level15> pingbat: long time ago
[02:39] <Level15> DaSkreech: will it be official kubuntu cd or some cd someone else will put together?
[02:39] <pingbat> i know what it is
[02:39] <DaSkreech> It will be done by the Kubuntu Team
[02:39] <pingbat> anyone tried recently?
[02:39] <Level15> pingbat: i didn't like it much back then
[02:39] <ardchoille> miles: Looking for window managers?
[02:39] <miles> really? i thought i read shuttleworth say it wont be released with kde4
[02:39] <pingbat> i dunno, it looks nice and simple
[02:39] <miles> no
[02:39] <miles> i wasnt sure what enlightenment was] 
[02:40] <ardchoille> Ah, ok
[02:40] <miles> beryl/kwin <---
[02:40] <Level15> pingbat: give fluxbox a try then
[02:40] <pingbat> oh, hehe
[02:40] <pingbat> hmm
[02:40] <pingbat> is there such a thing as an environment manager?
[02:40] <ardchoille> fluxbox simply rocks!
[02:40] <miles> environment manager would keep track of window managers?
[02:40] <pingbat> whereby it stops apps getting mixed up etc
[02:41] <pingbat> well, yeah
[02:41] <ardchoille> miles: I don't think so, many people change the default window manager inside their desktop environment.
[02:41] <DaSkreech> miles: It won't release with KDE4
[02:41] <miles> yea, thats what i was saying
[02:41] <ardchoille> miles: Before I switched to kubuntu, I was using openbox inside gnome.. because metacity sucks out loud. But, kde is much better ;)
[02:42] <Maxdamantus> Hmm.. How long would it take to zero out a 250GiB HD?
[02:42] <Level15> opinions on kuickshow vs gwenview ?
[02:42] <Level15> Maxdamantus: long
[02:42] <pingbat> not too long, depending on write speed, about 2hours
[02:42] <Maxdamantus> Lol. Few hours?
[02:42] <miles> is it possible to get amarok to be integrated inside a konqueror window?
[02:42] <pingbat> probably a bit less
[02:42] <ardchoille> Level15: kuickshow is way faster, but you can browse folders in gwenview
[02:42] <Maxdamantus> Just remembered, when I got my other computer.
[02:43] <Maxdamantus> The 5gb HD had problems.. It wouldn't create new partitions or labels correctly.
[02:43] <Maxdamantus> So I erased it with DBaN.. Took an hour and a half.
[02:43] <Maxdamantus> Although DBaN does it twice; first by writing over with /dev/urandom, then /dev/zero
[02:43] <pingbat> just get someone to write you a win boot cd and use "format c"
[02:44] <Maxdamantus> pingbat, that's not erasing.
[02:44] <pingbat> you don't need to erase it
[02:44] <Maxdamantus> Formatting probably doesn't even erase the partition on Windows.
[02:44] <pingbat> to the computer, a format is pretty much the same
[02:44] <Level15> WTF? i just read that plasma will run Mac OS X widgets!
[02:44] <nosrednaekim> yep
[02:44] <Maxdamantus> Lol. When I removed the partition on my 5gb HD.. It wouldn't leave.
[02:44] <nosrednaekim> they are just javascript
[02:44] <Level15> nice!
[02:44] <Maxdamantus> Whenever I tried creating a new partition over it, it just created the same NTFS partition.
[02:44] <Biovore> Level15: yeah all KDE4 stuff will be completely portable..  windows will probably be able to run them at some point..
[02:45] <miles> mac os x widgets are javascript?
[02:45] <Maxdamantus> With the same data.
[02:45] <Level15> Biovore: i'd love to run konq on windows...
[02:45] <pingbat> that is wierd
[02:45] <Biovore> miles: QT4  www.trolltech.com
[02:45] <pingbat> but honestly, a format should work
[02:45] <miles> you know, ive actually called trolltech before on business
[02:45] <miles> but thats what the widgets are made with?
[02:45] <pingbat> unless there is some funky stuff going on in either the hdd hardware or the formatting software
[02:46] <miles> !dd
[02:46] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about dd - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:46] <Maxdamantus> Hmm.. I have a question to do with Konq.
[02:46] <pingbat> when you format, the hd tells the computer that it's empty
[02:46] <Biovore> miles: just google on dd or pop open a terminal and type "man dd"
[02:46] <Maxdamantus> You know how it has the QT style buttons and forms embedded into the HTML?
[02:47] <Maxdamantus> Is that Konqueror that does that, or does the HTML engine do it natively?
[02:47] <pingbat> then the computer fills up the hdd with new data, overwriting the old data, which it can't see cause the hdd doesn't let it
[02:47] <Biovore> Maxdamantus: you don't.. the webbrowser desides what the button looks like..
[02:47] <miles> yea i just did
[02:47] <Maxdamantus> Biovore, I don't what?
[02:47] <pingbat> unless you use special routines and special calls to the hdd
[02:48] <Biovore> Maxdamantus: sorry.. I miss read you last statement..
[02:48] <DaSkreech> !info dd
[02:48] <ubotu> Package dd does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas
[02:48] <DaSkreech> Liar
[02:48] <Level15> hahhaa
[02:48] <Biovore> there isn't a package called dd..  its part of the base
[02:48] <Level15> it must not be a package...
[02:48] <Biovore> everyone has it
[02:48] <john> does anyone here have an ati x1600?
[02:49] <Maxdamantus> If it's KHTML that does it, I wanna get KHTML in Firefox.
[02:50] <miles> !khtml
[02:50] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about khtml - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:50] <miles> dang, ubotu is 0/2
[02:50] <ardchoille> How do I find out which package an app belongs to?
[02:51] <Biovore> well khtml is not a package.. its part of kde
[02:51] <ardchoille> dd is an app, tho
[02:51] <Biovore> yeah.. but not a package..
[02:51] <DaSkreech> miles: What are you trying to find out?
[02:51] <miles> !find acid2
[02:51] <Maxdamantus> Biovore, I'm aware of that.
[02:51] <Biovore> try packages.ubuntu.com
[02:51] <ubotu> Package/file acid2 does not exist in feisty
[02:51] <Maxdamantus> It's just a C library/header
[02:51] <ardchoille> Biovore: Hence my question
[02:51] <miles> im just trying to expand my horizons DaSkreech
[02:52] <john> #ubuntu
[02:52] <miles> im tryin to be like luke skywalker when obi-wan was teaching him about the force
[02:52] <Biovore> !ati
[02:52] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[02:52] <DaSkreech> miles: ok it's the HTML engine of KDE
[02:52] <DaSkreech> Or the main one
[02:52] <DaSkreech> miles: You can broswe the bot's brain if you want
[02:53] <ardchoille> !bot
[02:53] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[02:54] <Biovore> dd is located in the coreutils pacakge
[02:54] <miles> thatd be sweet if you could download ubotu for local use
[02:55] <john> i have installed the binary drivers... no mater what i do fglrxinfo reports im using mesa 3d drivers
[02:55] <DaSkreech> miles: You pretty much can
[02:55] <DaSkreech> IRC bots are nearly all open source
[02:56] <hitmanWilly> miles, you can download the factoid file, you just have to write a script to get input and parse the file :)
[02:56] <miles> oic
[02:56] <Level15> hm, nice, khtml and webkit are merging back...
[02:56] <miles> i just ran acid2 in konqueror and firefox, its funny how konqueror near aces it, firefox doesnt
[02:56] <miles> but yahoo hates konqueror
[02:56] <miles> and not firefox
[02:57] <DaSkreech> miles: It was the second Browser to pass it
[02:57] <Level15> miles: yeah, but yahoo works on safari... so the merging should get konq wokring on yahoo and gmail and many others
[02:57] <miles> what was the first?
[02:57] <ardchoille> miles: You have to ask?
[02:57] <DaSkreech> Safari
[02:57] <miles> what do you mean i have to ask?
[02:57] <miles> one sec
[02:58] <ardchoille> IE?
[02:58] <miles> wait
[02:58] <miles> so what was the first browser to pass?
[02:58] <hitmanWilly> konq uses a completely seperate source tree, ff is just a rehash of the mozilla code, which is just netscape
[02:58] <DaSkreech> Safari
[02:58] <miles> safari or ie, i dont think ie
[02:58] <miles> ok
[02:58] <DaSkreech> hitmanWilly: Hell of a rehash though
[02:58] <hitmanWilly> yeah
[02:59] <miles> now thats crazy that safari passed it first, seeing how they borrowed khtml
[02:59] <DaSkreech> IE fails it by the worst
[02:59] <Level15> when konq uses webkit/khtml merge, i'll stop using ff
[02:59] <DaSkreech> If you can fail a binary test by degrees
[02:59] <miles> firefox is pretty miserable on the test
[02:59] <hitmanWilly> miles, mac uses a lot of BSD code in its system, since they don't have to redistribute it
[03:00] <miles> oic
[03:00] <hitmanWilly> miles, and konq (along with most of kde) is or was under the BSD license
[03:00] <hitmanWilly> iirc
[03:00] <DaSkreech> miles: Firefox doesn't care bout it. It's a pretty worthless test
[03:00] <miles> worthless?
[03:00] <miles> it was made by the world wide consortium though
[03:00] <DaSkreech> It's doesn't really prove anything
[03:01] <DaSkreech> It was?
[03:01] <DaSkreech> when?
[03:01] <miles> according to wikipedia
[03:01] <miles> maybe i read it wrong
[03:01] <miles> o no i read it wrong
[03:01] <miles> Web Standards Project, sorry
[03:01] <miles> they do fall under w3c's sphere of influence though
[03:02] <hitmanWilly> so far, konq is the browser i hate the least :)
[03:02] <Level15> hitmanWilly: likewise
[03:02] <ardchoille> I was told that w3c is self-appointed and usually wrong.
[03:02] <miles> yea im liking konq more and more...
[03:03] <Level15> ardchoille: dunno, but they make the reference standards...
[03:03] <miles> ardchoille, are you outside of america?
[03:03] <Level15> so i think no matter what they say, they are right by definition :D
[03:03] <hitmanWilly> ardchoille, its the closest thing to a governing body the web has
[03:05] <Level15> i want kde4 :(
[03:06] <jhutchins> Level15: What, you like running broken software?
[03:06] <cplusplus> what does defaults in the cell options mean in the fstab file?
[03:06] <ardchoille> hitmanWilly: True that
[03:06] <Level15> jhutchins: most software is broken...
[03:06] <ardchoille> miles: Seattle, WA
[03:06] <Level15> :)
[03:06] <miles> seattle? u love bill! jk
[03:06] <ardchoille> Not a chance ;)
[03:07] <miles> haha
[03:07] <hitmanWilly> ardchoille, ah, the belly of the beast :)
[03:07] <jhutchins> Level15: Beta test software is known to be broken and is distributed so that the bugs can be found and fixed.  It's not intended for normal operations.
[03:07] <ardchoille> <-- ubuntu user since 2004, Linux user since 2001, and no other OS's
[03:08] <miles> jhutchins: hence why i havent gotten kde4 yet
[03:09] <jhutchins> miles: I mean, it's great if you've got the time and want to be a part of the beta team hunting bugs, but I use my computer to get things done (otherwise, I'd probably run gentoo).
[03:09] <hitmanWilly> jhutchins, HEY!!!
[03:10] <level1_> hi, my multimedia keys are acting up.  they work, but they... don't
[03:10] <hitmanWilly> level1_, please explain
[03:11] <level1_> for example, "Stop" stopped my music in amarok, and I wanted to remap it to "stop playing after current track" but the configure dialog wouldn't
[03:11] <ejortegau> ls
[03:11] <thepower27> hi
[03:11] <hitmanWilly> howdy
[03:11] <level1_> I know that the volume keys are mapped correctly, and I set kmix to have XF86Mute as mute, etc
[03:11] <thepower27> anyone here know about ubuntu server?
[03:11] <level1_> but when I press the mute button it doesn't work
[03:11] <thepower27> i just installed it to a rack server but I want to get samba running with file shares
[03:12] <miles> question
[03:12] <miles> ubuntu > gentoo?
[03:12] <thepower27> ubuntu server 7.04
[03:12] <Level15> if > means more popular, probably
[03:12] <level1_> miles: good question
[03:12] <noiesmo> !samba
[03:12] <DaSkreech> miles: > needs a validation
[03:12] <ubotu> samba is is the way to cooperate with Windows environments. Links with more info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently and http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/windows-networking.html - Samba can be administered via the web with SWAT
[03:12] <miles> > = in terms of everything
[03:12] <DaSkreech> miles: if you like it more. If not then no
[03:13] <draik> thepower27: Let me know how that works out for you. I've been wanting to do something similar
[03:13] <hitmanWilly> miles, depends on what you want and what your capabilities are
[03:13] <DaSkreech> !ymmv
[03:13] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ymmv - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:13] <DaSkreech> Dumb Bot
[03:13] <thepower27> do I need to load swat?
[03:13] <level1_> !multimedia keys
[03:13] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about multimedia keys - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:13] <draik> I think Miles wants to start a flame war
[03:13] <level1_> !keys
[03:13] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about keys - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:13] <thepower27> how do I get apache or any web controlls running?
[03:13] <level1_> !keyboard
[03:13] <ubotu> To find out how to switch your keyboard layout, See https://help.ubuntu.com/6.10/xubuntu/desktopguide/C/switch-keyboard-layout.html - See also !Shortcuts
[03:13] <DaSkreech> :-)
[03:13] <level1_> !shortcuts
[03:13] <ubotu> Keyboard shortcuts can be set in System -> Preferences -> Keyboard Shortcuts (Gnome) or "Input Actions" in KControl (KDE). If your multimedia keys don't work with that, try keytouch - http://keytouch.sourceforge.net
[03:13] <miles> if (user = standard) {os = ubuntu;)
[03:13] <thepower27> I just literally finished the install
[03:13] <cplusplus> whats wrong here at atp get? http://rafb.net/p/xaFiXK67.html
[03:13] <level1_> I don't want to use keytouch
[03:14] <hitmanWilly> miles, gentoo is difficult to get set up, but produces a much trimmer and more customized install than ubuntu
[03:14] <miles> yea
[03:14] <miles> thats why i asked the qeustion
[03:15] <DaSkreech> !info fuse-utils
[03:15] <ubotu> fuse-utils: Filesystem in USErspace (utilities). In component main, is optional. Version 2.6.3-1ubuntu2 (feisty), package size 75 kB, installed size 216 kB
[03:15] <hitmanWilly> miles, whereas ubuntu's initial install is very easy, but more generalized with less options at install time
[03:16] <DaSkreech> cplusplus: what happens if you install fuse-utils by itself ?
[03:16] <thepower27> what is SWAT?
[03:16] <noiesmo> cplusplus, the packagaes is not avail try apt-cache search fuse-utils
[03:16] <DaSkreech> !info hotkeys
[03:16] <ubotu> hotkeys: A hotkeys daemon for your Internet/multimedia keyboard in X. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.5.7.4 (feisty), package size 141 kB, installed size 384 kB
[03:16] <Level15> !swat
[03:16] <ubotu> samba is is the way to cooperate with Windows environments. Links with more info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently and http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/windows-networking.html - Samba can be administered via the web with SWAT
[03:16] <noiesmo> cplusplus, its prob got another name
[03:16] <cplusplus> not found
[03:16] <cplusplus> the search
[03:16] <Level15> !beryl
[03:16] <ubotu> beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. Help in #ubuntu-effects
[03:16] <hitmanWilly> miles, the ubuntu philosophy just seems to be "install everything with full options enabled" which tends to produce a much more bloated install
[03:17] <Level15> bloat? you should try suse!
[03:17] <DaSkreech> cplusplus: sudo apt-get update
[03:17] <cplusplus> did before!
[03:17] <miles> the custom-fit is why i first tried gentoo
[03:17] <Pupeno_M> Hello.
[03:17] <hitmanWilly> miles, as an example, my lsmod cmd displays one one screen, yours probably takes up a few pages worth
[03:17] <miles> but i just couldnt get wireless tweaked right, install xubuntu, wireless works straight up
[03:18] <ardchoille> miles: I'd use gentoo, but I have to fins libpatience.so.0 first, lol
[03:18] <ardchoille> *find
[03:18] <Level15> lol!
[03:18] <miles> haha
[03:18] <Level15> i used gentoo a couple of years back, and whenever i changed the volume, xmms would crash...
[03:19] <Level15> switched back to slackware, and it worked just fine
[03:19] <DaSkreech> cplusplus: do you have main in your repos ?
[03:19] <hitmanWilly> honestly, about the only setup more difficult than gentoo's is LFS
[03:19] <noiesmo> cplusplus, you runing feisty
[03:19] <cplusplus> what?
[03:19] <ardchoille> cplusplus: Can you pastebin your /etc/sources.list please?
[03:19] <miles> LFS doesnt have any repositories does it?
[03:19] <ardchoille> !pastebin
[03:19] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[03:19] <noiesmo> cplusplus, its in main repo check /etc/apt/sources.list
[03:19] <hitmanWilly> miles, LFS is like a linux cookbook, you build your system completely from scratch
[03:20] <cplusplus> my sources.list
[03:20] <cplusplus> http://rafb.net/p/NSNMcg42.html
[03:21] <hitmanWilly> miles, the way it always used to be done, back in the 1.0 kernel days :)
[03:22] <bull> im trying to make a partition on my external hard drive but gparted isn't giving me the option to
[03:23] <bull> ..anyone familiar with this??
[03:23] <ardchoille> bull: Is the external drive mounted read only?
[03:23] <Level15> ardchoille: not related...
[03:23] <DaSkreech> !info fuse-utils dapper
[03:23] <ubotu> fuse-utils: Filesystem in USErspace (utilities). In component universe, is optional. Version 2.4.2-0ubuntu3 (dapper), package size 47 kB, installed size 164 kB
[03:23] <ardchoille> Level15: Ah, yes, sorry
[03:23] <Level15> bull: how many primary partitions do you have on the HD?
[03:24] <DaSkreech> cplusplus: uncomment # deb http://at.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ dapper universe
[03:24] <cplusplus> why?
[03:25] <bull> just one i just bought it
[03:25] <noiesmo> cplusplus, because thats where fuse-utils is in dapper repo
[03:25] <Level15> bull: then that partition is using all disk, no space to create additional partitions... delete that one, then create partitions as you see fit
[03:25] <thepower27> how do I change the root password on server?
[03:25] <cplusplus> i only have the
[03:25] <cplusplus> deb-src http://at.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ dapper-updates main restricted
[03:25] <cplusplus> then ok?
[03:25] <Level15> thepower27: passwd
[03:25] <ardchoille> !sudo | thepower27
[03:25] <ubotu> thepower27: sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[03:25] <DaSkreech> cplusplus: That's where fuse--utils is
[03:26] <hitmanWilly> thepower27, sudo passwd should do it
[03:26] <ardchoille> thepower27: The root account is locked and it's recommended to leave it locked and use sudo
[03:26] <thepower27> I get you may now view or modify password info for root
[03:26] <Level15> hey i want to learn to code GUI apps... i'm fairly proficient with c/c++. any tutorials/links you recommend?
[03:26] <bull> Level15> it can't be using all the disk its a 500GB and i only put some music on it
[03:26] <thepower27> then I can's save smb.conf
[03:27] <ardchoille> thepower27: Do you know what sudo is?
[03:27] <Level15> bull: partitions can use the whole disk EVEN if they have no files on their corresponding filesystems
[03:27] <bull> Level15> oooh ok
[03:27] <Level15> bull: partitions contain filesystems, which in turn contain files...
[03:28] <Level15> partitions size is fixed before creating filesystems on them
[03:30] <DaSkreech> cplusplus: uncomment it and apt-get update
[03:30] <DaSkreech> !gui
[03:30] <ubotu> The graphical user interface (GUI) in Ubuntu is composed of many elements, including the !X server, a window manager, and a desktop environment such as !GNOME or !KDE (which themselves use the !GTK and !Qt toolkits respectively)
[03:30] <DaSkreech> !qt
[03:30] <cplusplus> dont work
[03:30] <ubotu> Qt is the Q toolkit, which forms the base of KDE and is used by many applications to provide a !GUI. Install the libqt3-mt-dev package to compile Qt applications
[03:30] <cplusplus> DaSkreech>
[03:30] <DaSkreech> !doesn't work
[03:30] <ubotu> Doesn't work is a strong statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Is it on IRC all the time? Please be specific! Examples of what doesn't work tend to help too.
[03:31] <DaSkreech> cplusplus: what doesn't work?
[03:31] <Level15> bull: you need to get those music files out of the disk, then erase the partition, repartition, then create filesystems on new partitions, then move the files to the filesystems
[03:31] <cplusplus> update + apt-get install fuse-utils
[03:31] <DaSkreech> cplusplus: you uncommented the # deb http://at.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ dapper universe line ?
[03:32] <cplusplus> yeah!!
[03:32] <thepower27> how do I create a share on the server for an ubuntu desktop to access?
[03:32] <DaSkreech> cplusplus: apt-cache show frozen-bubble
[03:32] <hitmanWilly> thepower27, nfs is how id do it
[03:33] <thepower27> can you assist?
[03:33] <Level15> !nfs
[03:33] <ubotu> nfs is the network file system. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SettingUpNFSHowTo for information on installing and configuring NFS.
[03:33] <cplusplus> DaSkreech there is no such package
[03:33] <daladheri> greetings
[03:33] <thepower27> thx
[03:33] <cplusplus> -> apt-cache show fuse-utils
[03:33] <hitmanWilly> Level15, beat me to it :)
[03:33] <cplusplus> no package!
[03:33] <DaSkreech> cplusplus: Then somethign is wrong. Did you save the file after you uncommented ?
[03:33] <cplusplus> which file?
[03:33] <daladheri> I need some help concerning sudo
[03:33] <DaSkreech> sources.list
[03:33] <Level15> hitmanWilly: lol
[03:34] <cplusplus> yeah sure;)
[03:34] <daladheri> I just installed kubuntu and I tried to run the LAN utility and I type my password...
[03:34] <daladheri> it says timestamp too far in the future
[03:34] <aaroncampbell> Still trying to fix my eclipse install.  I remove it completely, added Sun Java 6, reinstalled it (Kubuntu packages), set it to run using sun, and tried to run it.  I had a couple errors.  It didn't have permissions to create the file /usr/local/lib/eclipse/.eclipseextension so it had me create it, chmod it to 2775, and then chown it to root:staff
[03:35] <aaroncampbell> Then I tried to run it, and I get an error telling me to check a log file.  The log file is 1932 lines long!!  I put it here: http://xavisys.com/temp/1186277179393.log
[03:35] <daladheri> so it wont let me use root privs
[03:35] <aaroncampbell> I had been told that maybe I was missing part of it, so I added ALL eclipse packages available, and that's when the log got so long.  I'm guessing that there is some sort of permissions problem.  Anyone have any ideas?
[03:36] <hitmanWilly> aaroncampbell, you are installing this with sudo, right?
[03:36] <DaSkreech> cplusplus: reopen your sources.list and pastebin it for me
[03:36] <Level15> aptitude option for simulate instead of actually doing stuff?
[03:37] <Level15> n/m
[03:37] <hitmanWilly> Level15, --pretend, maybe?
[03:37] <Level15> -s
[03:37] <daladheri> anyone have ideas on my problem?
[03:37] <an> hello,anybody got a sec?
[03:37] <an> ive installed the wenquanyi font,but it still appears strange in my kubuntu,why? anybody help?
[03:37] <Level15> !fonts
[03:37] <ubotu> Font installation basics here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FontInstallHowto - No fonts in Flash? Install "msttcorefonts" (from !Multiverse), "gsfonts", and "gsfonts-x11". No fonts in MPlayer? see !MPlayer
[03:37] <Level15> heheh
[03:37] <Level15> i like this ubotu thingy
[03:38] <cplusplus> DaSkreech are u sure that fuse-utils is existing??
[03:38] <DaSkreech> cplusplus: You are in dapper?
[03:38] <cplusplus> dapper?
[03:38] <daladheri> I use dapper
[03:38] <codex> hello can any body tell me where i can download kiba dock. i aint find a download link on their website ?
[03:38] <cplusplus> i dont know dapper
[03:39] <cplusplus> what is it?
[03:39] <daladheri> its the 6.06 version of Kubuntu or Ubuntu
[03:39] <DaSkreech> cplusplus: What version of Kubuntu are you using?
[03:39] <cplusplus> i donwloaded the newest!
[03:39] <bull> chuck norris once killed a bird by throwing it off a cliff
[03:39] <daladheri> its slightly older and it works on powerpc
[03:40] <ash_> Anyone know of a desktop extension feature for ZIP and RAR files for KDE?
[03:40] <DaSkreech> cplusplus: Well the sources say you have dapper
[03:40] <cplusplus> i have kubuntu-6.06.1-dvd-i386.iso
[03:40] <underdog5004> !ot | bull
[03:40] <ubotu> bull: #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[03:40] <DaSkreech> ash_: Extension?
[03:40] <daladheri> dapper
[03:40] <ash_> Basically I am hoping on right clicking files and being able to unzip and zip them...
[03:40] <DaSkreech> cplusplus: Right that is Dapper
[03:40] <cplusplus> ok
[03:41] <DaSkreech> cplusplus: reopen your /etc/apt/sources.list and pastebin it for me
[03:41] <ash_> Does anything like that exist?
[03:41] <draik> NAT doesn't seem to work in VMware Server. What could I be doing wrong?
[03:41] <bull> Level15> i got it partitioned, i have the new mac osx software and am trying to install it on the new partition. do you know how i would do that?
[03:41] <cplusplus> DaSkreech here: http://rafb.net/p/yTYvsZ16.html
[03:41] <DaSkreech> ash_: You can do that' already
[03:42] <Level15> mac os software?
[03:42] <aaroncampbell> hitmanWilly: yes, via adept...which prompts for admin access
[03:42] <daladheri> I have just installed kubuntu and my time settings are off so i try to change them using sudo then it says my timestmp is too far in the future. How do I reset the time so sudo works???
[03:42] <DaSkreech> cplusplus: You didn't uncomment the line I showed you
[03:42] <ash_> DaSkreech, I dont have that option... I have email as the only thing under actions...
[03:42] <cplusplus> i did
[03:42] <cplusplus> with # !!
[03:42] <Level15> g2g
[03:42] <ardchoille> bull: That check norris comment was just hilarious
[03:42] <Level15> cya guys
[03:42] <ash_> DaSkreech, and open with...
[03:43] <DaSkreech> cplusplus: so it doesn't have the # at the start anymore ?
[03:43] <DaSkreech> ash_: Do you have ark installed?
[03:43] <cplusplus> it has a # before!
[03:43] <cplusplus> #deb http://at.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ dapper-updates main restricted
[03:43] <cplusplus> thats umcommented?
[03:43] <bull> ardchoille> thank you
[03:43] <DaSkreech> cplusplus: No that's commented
[03:43] <DaSkreech>  deb http://at.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ dapper universe
[03:44] <DaSkreech> Is uncommented
[03:44] <DaSkreech> cplusplus: take out the #
[03:44] <DaSkreech> so the first thing on the line is deb
[03:44] <cplusplus> but then is the same as before?
[03:44] <DaSkreech> cplusplus: just make sure the first thing on the line is deb :)
[03:44] <ash_> DaSkreech, according to synaptic it's installed
[03:45] <cplusplus> and then?
[03:45] <bull> anyone know how i would install the mac osx software on a partition for an external hard drive
[03:45] <DaSkreech> ash_: Press Alt+space and type ark
[03:45] <cplusplus> its the same as before u told me to change?
[03:45] <DaSkreech> cplusplus: rigth first thing on the line is deb ?
[03:45] <cplusplus> yeah
[03:45] <DaSkreech> ok save
[03:45] <ash_> DaSkreech, alt-space doesnt do anything :(
[03:45] <cplusplus> ?
[03:46] <DaSkreech> cplusplus: save the file
[03:46] <cplusplus> u told me to change but its no change;)
[03:46] <DaSkreech> ash_: Alt+F2 -> ark then
[03:46] <ash_> Errr.. nothing ;(
[03:46] <DaSkreech> cplusplus: The thing you sent me in pastebin does not have deb at the start
[03:46] <ash_> Is there someway to reset all my settings files or something?
[03:46] <DaSkreech> it has #
[03:46] <cplusplus> which one?
[03:47] <DaSkreech> deb http://at.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ dapper universe
[03:47] <DaSkreech> cplusplus: it says universe at the end
[03:47] <cplusplus> should have a #
[03:47] <daladheri> quit
[03:47] <DaSkreech> cplusplus: should not have a #
[03:47] <ash_> DaSkreech, that didnt work either... anyway to reset all my settings files for KDE to the way it should be with a fresh install?
[03:47] <cplusplus> ok
[03:47] <cplusplus> what to change now?
[03:48] <ash_> DaSkreech, I ran it in terminal... ark works but still no way to rightclick a file and zip it
[03:48] <DaSkreech> cplusplus: that line starts with deb ?
[03:48] <DaSkreech> ash_: Oh.. Hmm
[03:48] <DaSkreech> ash_: purge ark and reinstall
[03:48] <DaSkreech> Should install the service menu
[03:49] <thepower27> ok... I am at this
[03:49] <thepower27> after I restart nfs I get
[03:50] <cplusplus> DaSkreech -> http://rafb.net/p/PMT3CJ56.html
[03:50] <thepower27> neither subtree_check or no_subtree_check specified
[03:50] <DaSkreech> cplusplus: Rigth
[03:50] <mrksbrd1> holy shit.... I think I got my aircard working
[03:50] <cplusplus> ok
[03:50] <DaSkreech> update and install
[03:51] <cplusplus> ah
[03:51] <cplusplus> thats the rick;)
[03:51] <cplusplus> works
[03:51] <mrksbrd1> u guys can see me right?
[03:51] <DaSkreech> mrksbrd1: Yes. Please don't curse
[03:51] <mrksbrd1> sorry...just got excited
[03:51] <cplusplus> <DaSkreech but there is still an error i tried to build ext2fuse filesystem....got some compiler errors;/
[03:52] <mrksbrd1> now to get the bugs worked out
[03:52] <cplusplus> hm fuse-ext2fs.c:15:22: error: fuse_opt.h: No such file or directory
[03:52] <mrksbrd1> seems i can connect to irc but not web pages
[03:52] <cplusplus> but i installed everything now
[03:52] <mrksbrd1> hmmmm
[03:52] <cplusplus> with aptget
[03:52] <DaSkreech> cplusplus: try libfuse-dev
[03:52] <cplusplus> i did
[03:52] <cplusplus> install it
[03:53] <cplusplus> hm
[03:54] <thepower27> can anyone help me with samba?
[03:55] <cplusplus> DaSkreech thats bad
[03:55] <DaSkreech> hi nikkiana
[03:55] <cplusplus> under fedora 7 it worke fine!
[03:55] <aaroncampbell> Still trying to fix my eclipse install.  I remove it completely, added Sun Java 6, reinstalled it (Kubuntu packages), set it to run using sun, and tried to run it.  I had a couple errors.  It didn't have permissions to create the file /usr/local/lib/eclipse/.eclipseextension so it had me create it, chmod it to 2775, and then chown it to root:staff
[03:55] <aaroncampbell> Then I tried to run it, and I get an error telling me to check a log file.  The log file is 1932 lines long!!  I put it here: http://xavisys.com/temp/1186277179393.log
[03:55] <DaSkreech> cplusplus: gimmie a minute
[03:55] <aaroncampbell> I had been told that maybe I was missing part of it, so I added ALL eclipse packages available, and that's when the log got so long.  I'm guessing that there is some sort of permissions problem.  Anyone have any ideas?
[03:56] <cplusplus> DaSkreech sure
[03:57] <thepower27> what does Neither 'subtree_check' or 'no_subtree_check' specified for export mean?
[03:57] <cplusplus> DaSkreech i got the source from here: http://sourceforge.net/projects/ext2fuse
[03:57] <kalorin`> mkay
[03:57] <kalorin`> so question
[03:57] <jlund> Anyone have any recommendations for a solid PDA that will work well under Linux?
[03:57] <DaSkreech> cplusplus: You are on a 1.5 year old distro
[03:57] <kalorin`> how hard do you think it'll be to go from an x700 ATI card to an 8600GT nvidia card?
[03:57] <DaSkreech>  some things may have changed
[03:58] <thepower27> what does Neither 'subtree_check' or 'no_subtree_check' specified for export mean?
[03:58] <cplusplus> which distro?
[03:58] <thepower27> ubuntu server
[03:58] <cplusplus> DaSkreech do you mena my kubuntu?
[03:58] <DaSkreech> cplusplus: yes
[03:59] <cplusplus> its the newest?
[03:59] <DaSkreech> cplusplus: yup the new one has the fuse_o[t.h
[03:59] <thepower27> what does Neither 'subtree_check' or 'no_subtree_check' specified for export mean?
[03:59] <cplusplus> which new one?
[03:59] <DaSkreech> cplusplus: can you look in/usr/include/fuse to see if you see it there
[03:59] <DaSkreech> cplusplus: Feisty
[03:59] <DaSkreech>  you have dapper
[04:00] <cplusplus> root@gerald-desktop:/usr/include/fuse# ls
[04:00] <cplusplus> fuse_common.h  fuse_compat.h  fuse.h  fuse_lowlevel.h
[04:00] <DaSkreech> cplusplus: Yeah you need feisty
[04:00] <cplusplus> fuck
[04:00] <DaSkreech> !language
[04:00] <ubotu> Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[04:00] <cplusplus> i thought i have the new one;/
[04:01] <thepower27> what does Neither 'subtree_check' or 'no_subtree_check' specified for export mean?  when trying to restart nfs?????????????????
[04:01] <DaSkreech> cplusplus: if you are on a timeschedule you can get the libfuse-dev from packages.ubuntu.com
[04:01] <DaSkreech> you cna compile it while you download Kubuntu
[04:01] <cplusplus> DaSkreech cant i build the fuse sources?
[04:01] <cplusplus> http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=121684&package_id=132802
[04:03] <DaSkreech> cplusplus: Yes. go to packages.ubuntu.com
[04:03] <thepower27> noone here can help????
[04:03] <DaSkreech> search for the libfuse-dev package and download it
[04:03] <DaSkreech>  it will have the files just put them in
[04:03] <cplusplus> i found http://packages.ubuntu.com/feisty/libdevel/libfuse-dev
[04:03] <DaSkreech> cplusplus: Yes
[04:04] <DaSkreech> You can open it in ark I think
[04:04] <cplusplus> i hat myself that i have an old version of kubuntu;/
[04:04] <DaSkreech> cplusplus: Do work while you correct it :)
[04:05] <cplusplus> sorry i forgot how to install a .deb ;)
[04:05] <ardchoille> cplusplus: sudo dpkg -i filename
[04:05] <hitmanWilly> thepower27, it has to do with whether or not it checks the subtrees of the dir om mount/umount
[04:06] <hitmanWilly> s/om/on
[04:06] <ardchoille> cplusplus: But, if that deb has deps which are not installed, you're going to have trouble.
[04:06] <cplusplus> problem http://rafb.net/p/hxj8FJ31.html
[04:06] <DaSkreech> it only has one
[04:06] <DaSkreech>  Libfuse2
[04:06] <ardchoille> Does  Libfuse2  have debs?
[04:06] <hitmanWilly> thepower27, unless its not mounting correctly, the defaults it jumps to should be fine
[04:07] <intelikey> origen of /bin/chvt  ?
[04:07] <thepower27> it does not seem to be workking
[04:07] <DaSkreech> cplusplus: search the same site for libfuse2
[04:07] <cplusplus> ok first install that thing?
[04:07] <thepower27> I just added /home @myclients(rw,sync) to exports
[04:07] <thepower27> and still does the same thing
[04:08] <ardchoille> cplusplus: You can't install fuse until you install libfuse-dev.. and you may not be able to install libfuse-dev if it has deps you don't have installed.
[04:08] <DaSkreech> cplusplus: Yes you can do them at onetime
[04:08] <hitmanWilly> thepower27, i think that syntax is wrong, lemme check...
[04:09] <ardchoille> DaSkreech: I hate to ask, ut why isn't he using the package manager?
[04:09] <DaSkreech> ardchoille: he's compiling the latest fuse on dapper
[04:09] <ardchoille> Ah, ok
[04:09] <cplusplus> problem: http://rafb.net/p/ANFRNG77.html
[04:09] <DaSkreech> So I'm giving him the feisty debs
[04:09] <cplusplus> DaSkreech!
[04:10] <hitmanWilly> thepower27, i don't think you need th @ blurb iirc
[04:10] <cplusplus> DaSkreech -> http://rafb.net/p/ANFRNG77.html
[04:10] <ardchoille> DaSkreech: Using Feisty debs on Dapper may be the cause of more problems.
[04:10] <hitmanWilly> thepower27, just /home/*(options_here) should work
[04:10] <DaSkreech> cplusplus: I'm reading
[04:11] <cplusplus> ok
[04:11] <DaSkreech> ardchoille: yeah I was just trying to have him compile while he was downloading feisty
[04:11] <hitmanWilly> thepower27, on the server side, anyway
[04:11] <ardchoille> Ah, yeah, version conflicts.. that is what I was talking about
[04:11] <DaSkreech> cplusplus: might be easier just to grab feisty
[04:11] <ardchoille> DaSkreech: Looks like he'll have to wait until Feisty is installed, probably easier anyway
[04:11] <Biovore> yeah... installing debs your self means you have to solve deps your self..
[04:12] <DaSkreech> cplusplus: Do you mind a CD?
[04:12] <cplusplus> it have a dvd?
[04:12] <DaSkreech> Yes it does
[04:12] <thepower27> I added /home/* (rw,wync)
[04:12] <cplusplus> or 6 cds?
[04:12] <thepower27> sync
[04:12] <thepower27> and same thing
[04:12] <ardchoille> Biovore: And that can be a real PITA
[04:12] <DaSkreech> But a CD is faster to install :)
[04:12] <cplusplus> just 1 cd?
[04:12] <DaSkreech> you can get the DVD while you work
[04:12] <ardchoille> cplusplus: kubuntu only has one cd
[04:12] <DaSkreech> cplusplus: It's just one CD
[04:12] <cplusplus> nice
[04:13] <cplusplus> the rest its downloading from internet?
[04:13] <DaSkreech> http://bw.releases.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/feisty/kubuntu-7.04-desktop-i386.iso
[04:13] <hitmanWilly> hmmm, are the UID's the same on both systems? iirc they have to be, but I may be wrong...
[04:13] <DaSkreech> cplusplus: unless you want to use the DVD
[04:13] <cplusplus> whats more on the dvd?
[04:13] <ardchoille> cplusplus: Well, the entire distro is only one cd, you can use the package managers to install anything else.
[04:13] <DaSkreech> The DVD is the Cd plus all the things on the net from main
[04:13] <DaSkreech> so you can install from the DVD instead of downloadin
[04:13] <DaSkreech>  fuse is like 300k though
[04:14] <DaSkreech> so ... I think the DVd may be over kill
[04:14] <cplusplus> what about the programs which are automatically installed during installation of kubuntu?
[04:14] <ardchoille> I don't see why people bother with the dvd anyway since everything is available via the pm's
[04:14] <cplusplus> i dont have all problems when i dont use the dvd?
[04:14] <DaSkreech> cplusplus: they are on the CD and the DVD
[04:14] <cplusplus> programs
[04:14] <DaSkreech> cplusplus: None
[04:14] <cplusplus> ok
[04:15] <DaSkreech> I've never used the DVD and I have been useing Kubuntu near 2 years
[04:15] <cplusplus> ok)
[04:15] <intelikey> !info open breezy
[04:15] <ubotu> Package open does not exist in feisty
[04:15] <DaSkreech> open ?
[04:15] <intelikey> breezy dumb bot
[04:15] <DaSkreech> never heard of it
[04:15] <ardchoille> intelikey: You using my keyboard again? lol
[04:16] <hitmanWilly> thepower27, sorry if im not too much help here, its been a while since i set this up
[04:16] <DaSkreech> intelikey: I don't think it's brains go back that far :)
[04:16] <intelikey> ardchoille what happened  to the package "open"  ?
[04:16] <DaSkreech> intelikey: what's open ?
[04:16] <DaSkreech> !info open
[04:16] <ubotu> Package open does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas
[04:16] <intelikey> cli apps for opening and switching tty
[04:16] <ardchoille> intelikey: I never knew there was one
[04:16] <intelikey> there was.
[04:17] <ardchoille> !info opentty
[04:17] <ubotu> Package opentty does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas
[04:17] <intelikey> i think they symlinked open to openvt for a while
[04:17] <ardchoille> Ah
[04:17] <intelikey> now the package is gone.
[04:17] <hitmanWilly> intelikey, it might be in one of the core pkgs
[04:18] <draik> NAT doesn't seem to work in VMware Server. What could I be doing wrong?
[04:18] <intelikey> hitmanWilly not "open"  but yeah openvt is
[04:18] <hitmanWilly> intelikey, you could get openvt and symlink it yourself :)
[04:18] <draik> I can't seem to go online with the virtual OS
[04:19] <hitmanWilly> intelikey, or am I missing something here?
[04:19] <intelikey> hitmanWilly i have openvt but nothing to switch consoles
[04:19] <hitmanWilly> intelikey, hmmm
[04:19] <intelikey> no switchto  nor chvt   nothing...
[04:20] <hitmanWilly> !find switchto
[04:21] <thepower27> nevermind
[04:21] <intelikey> the "open" package had (iirc) open switchto and the manual pages for the two...
[04:21] <ubotu> Package/file switchto does not exist in feisty
[04:21] <thepower27> im going back to win2k server
[04:21] <thepower27> bye
[04:21] <cplusplus2> DaSkreech thanks
[04:21] <cplusplus2> i will donload and install!
[04:22] <kalorin`> win2k server
[04:22] <DaSkreech> cplusplus2: Ok You got the link?
[04:22] <DaSkreech> http://bw.releases.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/feisty/kubuntu-7.04-desktop-i386.iso
[04:22] <cplusplus2> jup
[04:22] <khaije1|bb> #linuxhelp
[04:22] <hitmanWilly> funny, i don't remember getting nfs going to be that difficult...
[04:22] <DaSkreech> kalorin`: I liked Win2K
[04:22] <khaije1|bb> oops!
[04:23] <cplusplus2> need i to change the source.list in feisty?
[04:23] <intelikey> debian opted to use bsd-utils or something that provided openvt and chvt   both possably forks of the open util.   and i'm not sure what package it is that probides them   bsd-utils was a guess
[04:23] <hitmanWilly> !find bsd
[04:23] <ubotu> Found: bsdmainutils, bsdutils, cupsys-bsd, libruby1.8, libsdl-image1.2 (and 48 others)
[04:23] <hitmanWilly> intelikey, one of those :)
[04:23] <DaSkreech> cplusplus2: no
[04:23] <cplusplus2> ok nice
[04:23] <intelikey> possably
[04:24] <DaSkreech> cplusplus2: though it is a lot more fun in Feisty :)
[04:24] <cplusplus2> we hope;)
[04:24] <hitmanWilly> !info bsdutils
[04:24] <ubotu> bsdutils: Basic utilities from 4.4BSD-Lite. In component main, is required. Version 1:2.12r-17ubuntu2 (feisty), package size 67 kB, installed size 168 kB
[04:24] <DaSkreech> !info ghostview
[04:24] <ubotu> Package ghostview does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas
[04:24] <DaSkreech> Heehee
[04:24] <DaSkreech> !info ghostview gutsy
[04:24] <ubotu> Package ghostview does not exist in gutsy
[04:24] <DaSkreech> What?
[04:24] <DaSkreech> it was there yesterday
[04:24] <killown|away> how do i to view screen :0 on crt monitor and screen :1 in tv-out?
[04:24] <kalorin`> is 7.10 out now?
[04:25] <DaSkreech> kalorin`: Is it 10 yet ?
[04:25] <hitmanWilly> kalorin, beta
[04:25] <kalorin`> ah
[04:25] <kalorin`> hey hitman
[04:25] <kalorin`> how are things/
[04:25] <hitmanWilly> howdy\
[04:25] <intelikey> hitman  would you care to check this for me >>>>>   basename `grep -Rwe "/usr/bin/openvt" /var/lib/dpkg/info/*.list | cut -d':' -f1` 2>/dev/null
[04:26] <hitmanWilly> intelikey, sure, one sec, have to get my buntu lappy
[04:27] <TheCreationist> I'm having trouble getting extended ASCII characters to display in telnet clients.  Anyone have any ideas?
[04:29] <intelikey> TheCreationist i have an idea that telnet probably filters extended chars   and for good reason.   it's a crackers * dream to begin with.
[04:29] <ardchoille> kalorin`: 7.10 (year.month) Current is 7.04 (2007.April)
[04:29] <kalorin`> ah
[04:29] <hitmanWilly> intelikey, console-tools
[04:29] <kalorin`> welp, I think I'm going to shut down and do some upgradin'
[04:30] <kalorin`> bought a pair of acer X221w's and an 8600GT tonight
[04:30] <underdog5004> ooh, have fun w/ that, kalorin
[04:30] <kalorin`> now I'm having buyers remorse :(
[04:30] <intelikey> hitmanWilly ha thank you.   i'll investigate that now.
[04:30] <kalorin`> $239.00 each for the LCD's though
[04:30] <kalorin`> vs. my x700 with 2x19" samsung dynaflat crt's
[04:30] <kalorin`> so back in a bit
[04:30] <hitmanWilly> intelikey, and you forgot the trailing `, btw, so if anyone cut/pasted that, they're probably confused as hell right now :)
[04:31] <underdog5004> is there any particular reason my rsync script doesn't go past about 3MB/s?
[04:31] <hitmanWilly> intelikey, oops, nvm :)
[04:31] <intelikey> hitmanWilly ?   i don't think so.
[04:31] <intelikey> k
[04:31] <underdog5004> I'm on a 100Mb/s network...
[04:31] <tiom> hi can anyboday tell me what error code 10 in aptitude means?
[04:32] <hitmanWilly> intelikey, sorry, copied that over by hand, so I actually missed it :)
[04:32] <intelikey> hitmanWilly :)
[04:32] <underdog5004> tiom, man aptitude and look for error codes
[04:32] <intelikey> yeah putting the closing ` before the redirrect can kinda hide it    :)
[04:33] <ardchoille> tiom: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=%22error+code+10%22%2Baptitude&btnG=Search
[04:33] <underdog5004> so...no reason, then...bummer
[04:33] <hitmanWilly> intelikey, oh well, know enough to catch it at least :)
[04:33] <hitmanWilly> intelikey, or at least recoignize what > means
[04:33] <intelikey> indeed
[04:34] <intelikey> you mean to recognize the differance in PS1  and  PS2  :)
[04:34] <ardchoille> lol
[04:34] <tiom> underdog5004: there are none
[04:35] <draik> VMware Server users: What setting do you use for your network? I'm using NAT as I have before with the Workstation, but it does not seem to work. What am I doing wrong?
[04:35] <tiom> ardchoille: tried that allready. found many examples for error code 10 but no explanation
[04:35] <underdog5004> why won't my system keep updated when I have   0 1  *  *  * /usr/bin/apt-get update && /usr/bin/apt-get -y upgrade in roots crontab?
[04:36] <teiwaz> anyone able to help me figure out why my gstreamer is kaput?
[04:38] <ardchoille> underdog5004: 0 1 * * *    <- is there more than one space between the 1 and the *  ?
[04:38] <intelikey> underdog5004 cause user /usr/bin/apt-get is not in /etc/passwd
[04:38] <ardchoille> underdog5004: And shouldn't it be 00 01 * * * command  ?
[04:38] <underdog5004> intelikey, lol, oops
[04:38] <intelikey> ardchoille user then command
[04:39] <ardchoille> intelikey: I have lots of commands in root's crontab and I've never had to use a "user" in the command.
[04:40] <intelikey> i assumed that was /etc/crontab   but i could be wrong
[04:40] <DaSkreech> nope
[04:40] <DaSkreech>  crontab -e
[04:40] <TheCreationist> intelikey: Any way to enable the extended characters?  I'm trying to connect to BBSes, but without full ANSI support, it's driving me nuts.
[04:40] <DaSkreech> as root
[04:41] <spartan01_> alright, I installed drivers recommended for a printer in kubunut, but it just spits out a stream of blank paper every time a print task is spooled
[04:41] <intelikey> TheCreationist i really don't know.  sorry   the man page might mention it,  haven't looked
[04:41] <spartan01_> kubuntu*
[04:42] <intelikey> DaSkreech what are you on about ?
[04:42] <DaSkreech> intelikey: I forget
[04:42] <level1> !nvidia
[04:42] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[04:42] <DaSkreech> someone said root cronab and someone said /etc/crontab
[04:43] <DaSkreech> Far as I 've found out /etc/crontab is system crontab
[04:43] <DaSkreech> crontab -e as root is root's crontab
[04:43] <intelikey> yes i said i assumed we were working on underdog5004's /etc/crontab   but that i could be wrong about it.
[04:43] <underdog5004> intelikey, I'm not sure...I just did crontab -e
[04:44] <hitmanWilly> intelikey, I never claimed to be a bash expert, just barely competent :P
[04:44] <intelikey> hitmanWilly heh i was just playing,   didn't mean nothin by it.
[04:44] <DaSkreech> I am
[04:44] <hitmanWilly> intelikey, figured as much...lol
[04:46] <intelikey> but it would be funny to watch someone if you had issued a { export PS2="$PS1" ; } command and then they entered something like  echo 'testing"
[04:46] <hitmanWilly> heh
[04:46] <intelikey> :)
[04:48] <intelikey> i would have said   echo ` testing '    but that could get dangerous
[04:48] <hitmanWilly> lol
[04:48] <hitmanWilly> and confusing :)
[04:48] <intelikey> both would be
[04:49] <hitmanWilly> intelikey, "Why won't my command run!!!" lol
[04:49] <hitmanWilly> anyway...
[04:50] <intelikey> http://ubuntu.pastebin.us/38687
[04:50] <intelikey> :)
[04:50] <intelikey> indeed
[04:51] <hitmanWilly> intelikey, evil, evil, script :)
[04:52] <ardchoille> Ok, I'm confused, what does that do?
[04:52] <hitmanWilly> intelikey, then stick that in bash_profile after a clear heh, heh...
[04:52] <intelikey> :)   but at least i found something i'm good at
[04:53] <intelikey> ardchoille it makes PS1 and PS2 the same prompt   your PS2 is normally set to >
[04:54] <ardchoille> What is PS1?
[04:54] <intelikey> so that you recognize that the first command is waiting for you to finish the input....   with the set the same you can't tell if your are looking at PS1 or PS2
[04:54] <hitmanWilly> ardchoille, your normal prompt env variable
[04:54] <intelikey> ardchoille your command prompt
[04:54] <ardchoille> Ah, ok
[04:55] <hitmanWilly> ardchoille, ie you@localhost: ~$
[04:55] <intelikey> ardchoille test this in a console   export PS1='\t \w \l \@'
[04:55] <ardchoille> No thanks
[04:55] <intelikey> non-malisious.
[04:55] <hitmanWilly> ardchoille, nah, that ones alright
[04:55] <ardchoille> I doubt I'd be able to fix anything I break
[04:56] <intelikey> just closing the konsole will fix that
[04:56] <ardchoille> Oh, wait. I remember putting [\W @ \t] \[\033\]  in .bashrc
[04:57] <DaSkreech> ardchoille: That's probably your PS1
[04:57] <intelikey> yes to set PS1  (the normal prompt)
[04:57] <hitmanWilly> ardchoille, you can always echo $PS1 to find out :)
[04:57] <intelikey> or   set
[04:57] <intelikey> list them all
[04:58] <ardchoille> It's for my shell cuz I hated two lines scrolling when I was in /path/this/is/the/working/directory/you/are/in/at/the/moment/and/its/confusing/as/heck
[04:58] <jerware> hi
[04:58] <intelikey> set | less
[04:58] <jerware> my P2P app has detected a firewall.  i uninstalled iptables, what else could it possibly be?
[04:59] <ardchoille> I figure that if I can't remember which dir I'm in, I have no business using a shell.
[04:59] <intelikey> jerware iptables
[04:59] <hitmanWilly> jerware, you did WHAT?
[04:59] <jerware> oh nm,  it has connected
[04:59] <jerware> hitmanWilly: i dont feel like learning iptables.
[04:59] <ardchoille> jerware: How in the world did you uninstall iptables?
[04:59] <intelikey> you removed the controling app   the actual firewall is in the kernel
[05:00] <jerware> apt-get remove iptables
[05:00] <intelikey> ardchoille it's an app     package name iptables
[05:00] <intelikey> !info iptables
[05:00] <jerware> id rather just do that than learn all them rules
[05:00] <ubotu> iptables: administration tools for packet filtering and NAT. In component main, is standard. Version 1.3.6.0debian1-5ubuntu2.1 (feisty), package size 365 kB, installed size 1260 kB
[05:00] <ardchoille> Oh, ok
[05:00] <hitmanWilly> jerware, you need some sort of firewall, otherwise you're leaving yourself wide open
[05:00] <jerware> im still researching TCP\IP
[05:01] <jerware> richard stevens book.
[05:01] <Dragnslcr> You do know that you can turn off iptables without uninstalling it, right?
[05:01] <ardchoille> intelikey: You're teaching me a lot today :)
[05:01] <intelikey> i don't think i have iptables installed...  hmm hadent noticed.
[05:01] <intelikey> hadn't   that is.
[05:02] <DaSkreech> ardchoille: no point in having somethign in the kernel if you can't interface with it :)
[05:02] <ardchoille> DaSkreech: True
[05:02] <Dragnslcr> I know I have it installed (it is by default), but I haven't gotten around to putting in any rules
[05:02] <Biovore> iptables is installed by defualt I think..
[05:02] <intelikey> DaSkreech true dat   i guess i should remove it from my kernel....
[05:02] <intelikey> hitmanWilly you roll your own kernel ?
[05:03] <intelikey> oh gentoo   duh
[05:03] <hitmanWilly> intelikey, gentoo :)
[05:03] <ardchoille> hehe
[05:03] <hitmanWilly> intelikey, but i used to do it on buntu too, just not lately
[05:03] <ardchoille> ardchoille
[05:03] <intelikey> disreguard     diarea of the mouth and constipation of the brain.  but i took something for it....
[05:03] <ardchoille> hahaha
[05:04] <hitmanWilly> intelikey, wiped out that initramfs image, I really hate those :)
[05:04] <intelikey> hitmanWilly ditto
[05:05] <intelikey> althought i hate building kernels on low end machines even more.
[05:05] <hitmanWilly> took forever to get the default ubuntu config set up to where that was even possible :)
[05:06] <intelikey> yeah you can 't use the default.    it doesn't even have ext? support builtin
[05:06] <hitmanWilly> intelikey, dpkg --purge linux-image-generic :)
[05:06] <intelikey> apt can do that.
[05:06] <intelikey> but yeah
[05:06] <hitmanWilly> yeah, well
[05:06] <hitmanWilly> the fewer frontends the better :)
[05:07] <intelikey> it does gripe "you are removing the running kernel,  this is a very intelikey idea"
[05:07] <Biovore> lol
[05:07] <ardchoille> lol!
[05:07] <hitmanWilly> really? never seen that msg :)
[05:07] <intelikey> :)
[05:07] <intelikey> well i did substitute one word.
[05:07] <hitmanWilly> really? which one? lol
[05:07] <intelikey> idea
[05:08] <intelikey> no wait....
[05:08] <intelikey> :)
[05:08] <hitmanWilly> ahh, thought so XD
[05:09] <intelikey> yeah it informs you that you wont be able to boot and such...  really kinda nice,  then asks if you want to proceed...
[05:09] <underdog5004> ah, the power of root
[05:09] <hitmanWilly> intelikey, doing that is actually where I really first looked at gentoo, since i kind of hybridized their wiki with one for rerolling an ubuntu kernel
[05:10] <intelikey> hitmanWilly yeah ?
[05:10] <intelikey> underdog5004 root is weak.   i'm init !
[05:10] <Biovore> init doesn't exist in ubuntu (well the newer ones)
[05:10] <intelikey> yeah that would "upstart"
[05:10] <underdog5004> ha ha, you don't exist
[05:10] <Biovore> hehe
[05:11] <Biovore> hes been replaced
[05:11] <hitmanWilly> yup, better info on exactly what goes where, and how to just build a freaking booting kernel/modules
[05:11] <intelikey> this is not a "newer one"   soooooo
[05:11] <hitmanWilly> none of this compile and package as a .deb and install via dpkg
[05:12] <intelikey> hitmanWilly i have rolled three or four kernels in *buntu  i always just used make menuconfig and the ncurses thing is kinda nice now.   has some online help right there in the config if you don't know what something is you just hit the help button
[05:12] <Biovore> make the kernel using "make"  then "make modules-install"  then make a new initrd with "mkinitrd <stuff>"
[05:13] <hitmanWilly> but if you can roll an ubuntu kernel, you can do it on pretty much any distro out there
[05:13] <Biovore> yup..
[05:13] <intelikey> yep
[05:13] <hitmanWilly> Biovore, i skipped the mkinitrd, kinda the whole point :)
[05:13] <intelikey> Biovore if you are rolling the kernel why are you still using an initramfs ?
[05:14] <intelikey> ooops i may be talking poop again
[05:14] <intelikey> i'll hush
[05:14] <draik> Dr_willis:
[05:14] <Biovore> intelikey: because its the ubuntu way.. everyone does it that way so they can make everything modules and load them at boot from the initrd
[05:14] <draik> Dr_willis: I finally got vmware-server to run. I just can't get the network on it to work. NAT used to work when I had the workstation
[05:15] <hitmanWilly> intelikey, believe it or not, I never really got into the guts of the kernel until I tried it on buntu
[05:15] <intelikey> hitmanWilly really ?    hmmm
[05:15] <hitmanWilly> intelikey, even on slack...which is really starnge
[05:15] <hitmanWilly> s/starnge/strange
[05:16] <Biovore> slack seems weird because they follow true system V schmatntics
[05:16] <Biovore> no init.d
[05:16] <hitmanWilly> Biovore, that didn't used to be so weird
[05:16] <Dr_willis> draik,  all i ever did was let it use the defaults when it confiured itself in the apt-get configuration screens.. have had no hassles with it.
[05:17] <draik> Dr_willis: I guess I'm just a special case with vmware-server
[05:17] <intelikey> so the pointy clicky distro turns out to be the  code hackin' kernel tweekin'  rooten' tooten' distro of the month...   odd
[05:17] <hitmanWilly> Biovore, slack is the last old-school distro out there, imho
[05:17] <Biovore> hitmanWilly: well to me it isn't.. just people use to most linuxes will see it as different..
[05:17] <Dr_willis> slack is weird in other ways. :)
[05:17] <Dr_willis> Slax is a Darn handy Live cd however.
[05:18] <Biovore> yup.. I like slax
[05:18] <Dr_willis> made up a few custome live cd's real easy with their tools
[05:18] <hitmanWilly> intelikey, well, you kinda have to hack stuff to pieces to dump an init image on buntu :)
[05:18] <intelikey> yeah precompiled tar balls   ????   yep that's slackware
[05:18] <intelikey> true dat
[05:19] <hitmanWilly> honestly, slack just got a little too old school for me eventually :)
[05:20] <draik> It's not old school, it's classic
[05:20] <intelikey> i mean heck i was there when unix was born
[05:20] <intelikey> digital watches were invented
[05:21] <intelikey> a calculator was the guy that was good with math...
[05:21] <intelikey> cash registers didn't use electricity
[05:22] <intelikey> anyone else remember those days ?
[05:23] <ardchoille> Does anyone else have a problem with the desktop wallpaper disappearing now and then?
[05:23] <draik> Dr_willis: What is the setting of your eth0 in VMware Server?
[05:24] <Dr_willis> eth0 is the pc's networking. vmware uses the other devices.. or are you refering to the eth device IN the virtual machines's os?
[05:24] <draik> Dr_willis: NAT, Bridged, Host Only, or Custom?
[05:25] <Dr_willis> i forget. I thought it defaulted to bridged
[05:25] <hitmanWilly> intelikey, i can still use a slide-rule, btw :P
[05:25] <intelikey> lol
[05:26] <intelikey> that's a script  heh
[05:26] <DaSkreech> Whippersnapper!!!
[05:26] <hitmanWilly> intelikey, found one at a flea market when i was like 12 and taught myself how to use it
[05:27] <hitmanWilly> intelikey, probably a bit rusty these days, tho :P
[05:28] <draik> What's a slide-rule?
[05:28] <hitmanWilly> lol
[05:29] <hitmanWilly> draik, its what they used before calculators were invented
[05:29] <intelikey> hitmanWilly when i was 12 i went in the local store and paid a quarter for a coka cola and a hershe's candy bar    the cash register was non-electric  and the cooler was a fridgidaire home appliance   later in life i bought that store and still live in the building...    but i never learned how to use a slide rule ....   show off !
[05:29] <draik> I can only think of fingers and toes before the use of a calculator
[05:29] <hitmanWilly> lol
[05:30] <hitmanWilly> draik, check wikipedia, im pretty sure they have pictures
[05:32] <Dr_willis> I used to have a slide rule or 2
[05:32] <Dr_willis> :)
[05:32] <Dr_willis> Abacus!
[05:32] <Dr_willis> !find abacus
[05:32] <ubotu> Found: xabacus, xmabacus
[05:32] <Dr_willis> !info xabacus
[05:32] <ubotu> xabacus: simulation of the ancient calculator (plain X version). In component universe, is optional. Version 7.1.7-1 (feisty), package size 85 kB, installed size 324 kB
[05:32] <Dr_willis> !info xmabacus
[05:32] <ubotu> xmabacus: simulation of the ancient calculator (Motif version). In component universe, is extra. Version 7.1.7-1 (feisty), package size 94 kB, installed size 348 kB
[05:32] <DaSkreech> ancient :)
[05:32] <DaSkreech> kabacaus!
[05:33] <draik> Dr_willis: Want to know what would help get me online? A driver for my VM network card!
[05:34] <Dr_willis> draik,  i would say.. a read of the vmware docs, would be benifitial.
[05:34] <Dr_willis> draik,  You are saying the OS Installed inside vmware - cant get online?
[05:34] <Dr_willis> what OS is this?
[05:34] <draik> That's right
[05:34] <draik> xp
[05:34] <NickPresta> does anyone use Pidgin? If so, which version?
[05:34] <level1> Hi, kopete isn't responding.  I right click on my user account button, then select "Online" and... nothing happens.  The program is still responsive, but the icon isn't animated.
[05:34] <jhutchins> I know someone who kept the books for her locksmithing business using an abacus.
[05:35] <intelikey> NickPresta pidgin is gaim
[05:35] <Dr_willis> Xp should have the proper network card drivers. Be sure you configured the virtual machine to have a network device
[05:35] <draik> I'm still trying to get vista to install on my friend's laptop. XP went in, but vista is being... "not nice"
[05:35] <level1> NickPresta:
[05:35] <NickPresta> intelikey, I understand that. However, gaim has had it's name changed to pidgin
[05:35] <level1> NickPresta: what about pidgin?
[05:35] <jhutchins> define where expectations (vista) == nice?
[05:36] <hitmanWilly> jhutchins, return (false) :)
[05:36] <NickPresta> level1, I updated from 2.0.1 to 2.1.0 (via getdeb) and now my sys. tray icon is using the wrong size and I have no top menu bar on my Buddy List window
[05:36] <jhutchins> define where expectations (vista) != complete trainwreck?
[05:36] <draik> jhutchins: I never did, I'm just saying that instead of something that will ban me for quite some time
[05:36] <intelikey> yep  so any version before whatever gutsy comes with is not pidgin it's gaim   that's what versions most will have/'have used'
[05:37] <hitmanWilly> thank you aol legal dept.
[05:37] <intelikey> yeah that too
[05:39] <intelikey> jhutchins is that C ?
[05:39] <jhutchins> draik: We do appreciate your restraint.
[05:39] <jhutchins> intelikey: pseudocode - I don't C.
[05:39] <draik> lol
[05:39] <draik> Dr_willis: Good thing I save everything (I just remembered that I have the driver CD from my motherboard)
[05:40] <intelikey> i was going to say "in #*buntu monkey C monkey get confused and ask stupid questions"     ;/
[05:40] <hitmanWilly> lol
[05:40] <kalorin`> man
[05:41] <kalorin`> the fonts in irc and stuff look like crap now
[05:41] <intelikey> but i can bash it for you.   [ 'vesta' = 'nice' ]  && echo yes || echo no
[05:41] <intelikey> no
[05:41] <kalorin`> clearly the video card is faster
[05:42] <kalorin`> hrms..
[05:42] <kalorin`> 10 point font is a lot better looking
[05:42] <Dr_willis> draik,  windows me and up, should have the drivers for the vmware 'virtual' devices
[05:42] <intelikey> oh and   [ vista != "complete trainwreck" ]  ; echo $?
[05:42] <intelikey> 1
[05:42] <fulat2k> hi folks, i'm using feisty and have just added kde4base-dev package.  tried to start a new session via kdm by using the instructions in kubuntu.org.  after logging in, i'm greeted by a blank screen and it kicks me back out.  any idea what's wrong?
[05:42] <draik> Keyword = SHOULD
[05:43] <intelikey> [ kde4base-dev != kde4base ] 
[05:44] <draik> WTH?!?! Even the driver CD won't install the driver. What gives???
[05:44] <Dr_willis> draik,  you dont need the driver for your MOTHERBOARD.. you need the driver for the 'emulated vmware hardeare network card'
[05:44] <hitmanWilly> draik, the VM is probably emulating the hardware
[05:44] <Dr_willis> and the vmware card is a generic ne2000 or somthing real BASIC.
[05:44] <draik> Dr_willis: Ok, so how do I get that driver?
[05:44] <kalorin`> hrms..
[05:45] <kalorin`> anyone got any font pointer type tips?
[05:45] <Dr_willis> It SHOULD be built into WIndoww vista. chedk your device manager.
[05:45] <kalorin`> for whatever reason almost every font I'm trying in konversation looks like crap
[05:45] <Dr_willis> windows 98 dident have it. windows me, did. Ive never used vista on vmware.
[05:45] <bionic> hi
[05:45] <Dr_willis> I imagine its discussed in the various vmware message boards if theres somthing you need.
[05:45] <intelikey> fulat2k basicly  why the -dev package ?
[05:45] <Dr_willis> You should also install the vmware-support tools in the vista os.
[05:46] <bionic> whats windows vista like ?
[05:46] <intelikey> bionic i didn't like      the three minutes i saw it.
[05:46] <kalorin`> it's like taking your wife on a date that she gets ready for for like 8 hours
[05:46] <fulat2k> intelikey: folloowing the instructiosn here http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-beta1.php
[05:46] <intelikey> maybe i'm prejudiced
[05:46] <kalorin`> sure she looks great, but in the end, same wife
[05:46] <kalorin`> that's what vista is like
[05:46] <bionic> why
[05:46] <bionic> arrr
[05:46] <bionic> slow ?
[05:47] <kalorin`> only she's more complainy and wouldn't let you go play with your friends and stuff
[05:47] <kalorin`> dog slow
[05:47] <bionic> just with alot of makeup on
[05:47] <kalorin`> sure
[05:47] <kalorin`> they've hid things you want in new and improved locations that you'll never find them
[05:47] <bionic> why do they put out shit
[05:47] <kalorin`> and put stuff you don't care about right upf ront for you :)
[05:47] <bionic> hahah
[05:47] <bionic> i c
[05:47] <bionic> why do they do this
[05:48] <bionic> why dont they put out some good shit
[05:48] <kalorin`> because they're trying to give everyone what they want
[05:48] <kalorin`> and chasing after osx and linux
[05:48] <hitmanWilly> bionic, cause people will buy it if it says windows
[05:48] <ardchoille> Does anyone know why the desktop wallpaper disappearing now and then? The background just goes to black, usually after the screensaver stops.
[05:48] <draik> Dr_willis: I'm using XP. Vista is going to be on my friend's laptop
[05:48] <bionic> why dont people just download kubuntu
[05:49] <ardchoille> bionic: You would not believe the number of people who don't even know what Linux is.
[05:49] <draik> bionic: No clue. I love Kubuntu. I just use VMware-server to backup my phone's info (LiveSync)
[05:49] <hitmanWilly> bionic, cause windows comes with their computer
[05:49] <ardchoille> A lot of the people I run into think that Windows is the only OS available
[05:50] <draik> ardchoille: It's sad really.
[05:50] <bionic> mmm
[05:50] <ardchoille> draik: Yes, it is
[05:50] <draik> They gave us a test at work. "In your opinion, what is the best operating system?"
[05:50] <draik> Sorry, top THREE os's
[05:51] <intelikey> fulat2k well it looks like whoever wrote that is using the -dev as a meta package to pull in the base package...    you should probably make sure that it actually installed the base package,     but ! back to your Q    there are two things that normally cause that issue   1. the default desktop environment can not be found/run    2. you have messed up permissions in your users home dir.
[05:51] <hitmanWilly> and linux, while its getting easier all the time, still requires people to learn something new
[05:51] <draik> Many only put windows and that was it. No 2 or 3, just windows. Not because it's "awesome" but because they don't know anything else
[05:51] <bionic> but its just like when i first played around on a computer
[05:51] <bionic> how it is with linux
[05:51] <bionic> you end up learning
[05:51] <bionic> and it comes natural
[05:51] <draik> I love Linux
[05:52] <Dr_willis> 'learn' ? yea.. i dont have to relearn ANYTHING to use vista... HA! HA HA!~
[05:52] <bionic> just like operating windows
[05:52] <draik> Yup
[05:52] <hitmanWilly> its all about perception
[05:52] <intelikey> fulat2k if you need help trubble shoting which of the two it is,  just haller.
[05:52] <Dr_willis> ijust have to figure out where they put all the settings, and renamed them, and broke things.. :)
[05:52] <ardchoille> hitmanWilly: Wouldn't any new OS require people to learn something?
[05:52] <draik> Minus bugs, viruses, infections, limitations... the list goes on and on, but you get my point
[05:52] <intelikey> EULA
[05:52] <bionic> mmmm
[05:53] <intelikey> E U L A
[05:53] <hitmanWilly> linux is still considered a fringe market for geeks and supposedly very hard to use
[05:53] <hitmanWilly> its BS but that's the perception
[05:53] <intelikey> considered that by whom ?   M$ ?
[05:54] <hitmanWilly> as a general whole among normal folks, if they even know what it is at all
[05:54] <intelikey> the pr team at M$ maybe ?
[05:54] <bionic> indeed
[05:54] <hitmanWilly> that has been changing lately, tho
[05:54] <Dr_willis> given the Huge hassles ive seen with vista..... I think they beat out linux now.
[05:54] <ardchoille> It's all opinions. In my opinion, Windows dies out in 2001 and I haven't touched it since.. and I can do anyting I want in Linux without limitations.
[05:54] <ardchoille> *died
[05:54] <Dr_willis> Even finding docs/info on vista is a hassle.
[05:54] <Dr_willis> :)
[05:55] <purpleposeidon> How's everyone doing?
[05:55] <intelikey> haskel ?
[05:55] <gandhii> well..  the fact that I had to manually mount my other drives and edit that file and chmod them so I could access them...   kind of says that linux isnt as easy as those other two
[05:55] <DaSkreech> Dr_willis: You don't like F1
[05:55] <hitmanWilly> Dr_willis, why, then you might be able to fix your own system without spending hours on the phone with MS tech support...anarchy :P
[05:55] <AmyRose> sauvin: macogw sent me
[05:55] <gandhii> not dissin linux..  just saying
[05:55] <AmyRose> sauvin: What's your problem?
[05:55] <draik> I am desperately awaiting the commercial where they show the PC and MAC guy just standing there... then comes Linux. Linux has a scythe and messes up the PC. MAC just stands back and knows better
[05:56] <DaSkreech> gandhii: There is a GUI for that :)
[05:56] <gandhii> really?
[05:56] <gandhii> what? where?
[05:56] <ardchoille> gandhii: With more power comes the requirement of more knowledge, ie skateboard vs. fighter jet.
[05:56] <sauvin> Amy, I'm having trouble seeing where on KDE (feisty) to determine what resolution the screen is using. Everything is so damn BIG.
[05:56] <Dr_willis> hitmanWilly,  i cant recall ANYONE ive ever talked to that actually got helped by phone-tech support. :)
[05:56] <AmyRose> Hmm
[05:56] <gandhii> skatin' is cool   ;] 
[05:56] <DaSkreech> gandhii: Alt+Space -> System -> <enter> -> Advanced -> Disks and File systems
[05:56] <sauvin> I can't tell if it's just big because I'm using huge fonts or if I'm using a low res.
[05:56] <hitmanWilly> Dr_willis, ok, I should have added a pointless in there somewhere
[05:56] <AmyRose> sauvin: Did you try hitting Ctrl+Alt+Numpad + repeatedly?
[05:56] <Dr_willis> :)
[05:56] <DaSkreech> ardchoille: Never ridden a skateboard I take it
[05:57] <sauvin> Which key is "numpad"?
[05:57] <Dr_willis> hitmanWilly,  do the people call ms tech support asking how to isntall themes for windows? :)
[05:57] <ardchoille> DaSkreech: Yes, and I know it can't get me there at mach II  ;)
[05:57] <AmyRose> sauvin: I was referring to the + sign on the numeric keypad
[05:57] <hitmanWilly> Dr_willis, wouldn't surprise me :)
[05:57] <intelikey> oh sorry.
[05:57] <Dr_willis> The Numberpads + and - are different then the normal + and - :)
[05:57] <gandhii> daskreech: didnt do anything more me
[05:57] <AmyRose> exactly
[05:57] <sauvin> Oh, MAN, that hurt!
[05:58] <DaSkreech> gandhii: alt+space doesn't work ?
[05:58] <AmyRose> sauvin: ?
[05:58] <gandhii> says "no items match"
[05:58] <ardchoille> DaSkreech: Perhaps he doesn't have katapolt running?
[05:58] <sauvin> Well, I'm not using the LOWEST resolution this computer has to offer, that's a golden fact!
[05:58] <gandhii> err..  "matched"
[05:58] <DaSkreech> gandhii: For System ?
[05:58] <draik> Dr_willis: hitmanWilly: This is a blog site from one of my coworkers. Read up on m$ techsupport part 1 & 2.
[05:58] <bionic> who made the first linux
[05:58] <gandhii> ard:  it seem ed to come up
[05:58] <intelikey> linus
[05:58] <Dr_willis> Linus made linux. :)
[05:58] <draik> Dr_willis: hitmanWilly: http://cstalk.blogspot.com
[05:58] <bionic> who is linus
[05:58] <ardchoille> gandhii: Ah, ok. katapolt is awesome
[05:58] <DaSkreech> bionic: It evolved from inert code
[05:59] <Biovore> well if you say linux.. you mean the kernel..  so linus
[05:59] <hitmanWilly> ya know, they have guys at MS who know a lot less than the average user on here, yet they get paid to do what I/We do for free here, and yet they really suck at it
[05:59] <sauvin> What does that ctrl-alt-numpad_plus do, perzackly?
[05:59] <intelikey> bionic http://linux.org
[05:59] <hitmanWilly> life is so unfair :P
[05:59] <Biovore> sauvin: change the Xorg window resolution..
[05:59] <DaSkreech> hitmanWilly: They are called lawyers
[05:59] <AmyRose> sauvin: It's supposed to change the resolution of your screen--if you hit it enough times, it should give you to highest
[05:59] <gandhii> when i run katapolt...  it puts an icon i nthe center of the screen...  then when I hti enter..  it says "nmo items matched"
[05:59] <evjunior09> I need a program to edit my songs (start time, stop time, Mono/Stereo ect) so i can make ringtones. Any good simple programs for Kubuntu?
[05:59] <Biovore> sauvin: try ctrl-alt-numpad_minus to go the other direction..
[05:59] <intelikey> sauvin zooms in
[05:59] <DaSkreech> gandhii: type system
[06:00] <sauvin> Yea, I did that, figuring what + would do, - would undo.
[06:00] <Biovore> evjunior09: rezound is a nice sound editor
[06:00] <fulat2k> intelikey: i believe i do need some help :P  any logs i can refer to?  i looked at kdm.log.  nothing special there.
[06:00] <Biovore> !rezound
[06:00] <sauvin> I'd still like to have some numbers, though.
[06:00] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about rezound - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:00] <evjunior09> Biovore: Rezound... apt-get?
[06:00] <Biovore> sauvin: changes the resolution..  depends on whats in your /etc/Xorg.conf  select the different resolution in the file..
[06:00] <hitmanWilly> DaSkreech, no, I wouldn't go that far, I'm pretty sure even MS tech support guys still have a soul :P
[06:00] <Biovore> yup
[06:01] <Dr_willis> !info kxrand
[06:01] <ubotu> Package kxrand does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas
[06:01] <intelikey> fulat2k ummm not really,   there is a chance that  /var/log/Xorg*log might have the reason it closed...
[06:01] <sauvin> Xorg.conf... that looks good enough!
[06:01] <Dr_willis> !find xrand
[06:01] <AmyRose> sauvin: Was this a sudden problem or have you always had this problem since you installed?
[06:01] <ubotu> Found: libxrandr-dev, libxrandr2, libxrandr2-dbg, xrandr
[06:01] <Dr_willis> !find xrandr
[06:01] <sauvin> AmyRose, maybe I'm just having a funk. I have decent enough vision when I have my glasses on and dislike having to read lettering six millimeters tall.
[06:01] <intelikey> fulat2k note if you don't clean that there are probably several files that match   they should be dated
[06:01] <AmyRose> sauvin: If you want to configure the screen, you can use sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg in the terminal, then log out, restart X and come back
[06:02] <AmyRose> sauvin: the command I gave you is menu-based :D
[06:02] <sauvin> Hm... that looks promising, too.
[06:02] <DaSkreech> gandhii: alt+space -> type in the words -> system
[06:02] <intelikey> fulat2k but you can kill kdm and run startx in a console and see why it's failing
[06:02] <AmyRose> sauvin: I recommend it first instead of editing config files by hand
[06:02] <gandhii> i got it now..   thanks..    oddly enough "system" brought me to a web site in my bookmarks..  ;] 
[06:02] <gandhii> but i figured it out
[06:02] <sauvin> I don't edit stuff by hand when I can help it.
[06:02] <gandhii> thanks again
[06:03] <AmyRose> sauvin: Yeah, which is why I recommended the config wizard instead!
[06:03] <Dr_willis> i just set my fonts large. :)
[06:03] <evjunior09> I need a program to edit my songs (start time, stop time, Mono/Stereo ect) so i can make ringtones. Any good simple programs for Kubuntu? (other than rezound)
[06:03] <intelikey> sauvin heh oppisite
[06:04] <DaSkreech> gandhii: Ah right I normally turn off the bookmarks :)
[06:04] <DaSkreech> Sorry about that
[06:04] <AmyRose> intelikey: Telling newcomers to edit a config file by hand is not the best approach, in my opinion ;)
[06:05] <draik> Dr_willis: How do I enable the ethernet card in vmware server? Seems that both of the installs don't have the ethernet card driver
[06:05] <sauvin> intelikey, eh?
[06:05] <gandhii> wasnt very aware of katapult.. i'll have to play with that.. thnx
[06:05] <intelikey> AmyRose i didn't tell anyone to edit anything,   just mentioned that we were opposite in that reguard.
[06:05] <AmyRose> I know
[06:05] <AmyRose> I don't edit config files by hand when I can help it because I'm lazy :P
[06:05] <sauvin> Oh, you don't have to worry about giving me blatantly bad advice. I tend to think about what I'm doing anyway.
[06:05] <Dr_willis> draik,  is the card not seen? (in the windows device manager) or is it Just not conigured where it works right?
[06:06] <gandhii> whats a good tutorial or info site for setting up smb shares?
[06:06] <teiwaz> anyone good with gstreamer?
[06:07] <Dr_willis> gandhii,  read the samba-doc package/books :)
[06:07] <Dr_willis> !info samba-doc
[06:07] <draik> Dr_willis: My Computer > right-click Properties > Hardware > Device Manager > Other Devices > Ethernet Controller (Yellow question mark)
[06:07] <ubotu> samba-doc: Samba documentation. In component main, is optional. Version 3.0.24-2ubuntu1.2 (feisty), package size 6754 kB, installed size 14512 kB
[06:07] <AmyRose> !gstreamer
[06:07] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about gstreamer - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:07] <AmyRose> darn
[06:07] <gandhii> thnx
[06:07] <intelikey> AmyRose heh  i went the other dirrection i guess  started out pointing and clicking.    but yeah.    lazy is me.
[06:07] <Dr_willis> draik,  i would say check google or the vmware foruims as to what it needs.
[06:07] <AmyRose> hahaha
[06:07] <Dr_willis> draik,  could also install the vmwaretools - it MIGHT install some drivers
[06:07] <DaSkreech> teiwaz: Good?
[06:08] <AmyRose> intelikey: when I started using Linux, i had to become root and mount my flash drives by hand... Oh boy did I hate that!
[06:08] <draik> I did
[06:08] <teiwaz> so, mine is d-e-d dead
[06:08] <teiwaz> I've wiped the cache
[06:08] <Dr_willis> AmyRose,  dident know to edit the fstab propery eh :)
[06:08] <sauvin> Heh... the xorg.conf you told me about, browsing through it, suggests there is precisely one resolution available, just differing depths.
[06:08] <DaSkreech> teiwaz: what are you using gstreamerwith ?
[06:08] <teiwaz> uninstalled and re-installed all of the codecs and whatnot
[06:08] <teiwaz> well
[06:08] <bionic> has anyone got a virus through linux
[06:08] <teiwaz> anything that calls it doesn't work
[06:08] <intelikey> AmyRose heh.   i hate it when things try to automatically mount that i didn't setup to do so...   lol
[06:08] <AmyRose> bionic: Yes, only in Wine :P
[06:08] <Dr_willis> bionic,  i cant name ONE virus thats out for linux.
[06:09] <sauvin> What's the alt-ctrl-whatever to restart X?
[06:09] <teiwaz> "error initializing: error re-scanning registry, child terminated by signal
[06:09] <teiwaz> "
[06:09] <AmyRose> Dr_willis: The problem with USB drives is that they aren't always the same /dev entry--sometimes they were sda, sdb, sdc...
[06:09] <teiwaz> alt+ctrl backspace
[06:09] <Dr_willis> alt-ctrl-backspace kills X dead.
[06:09] <intelikey> AmyRose we better quit,   i heard that opposites attract ;/
[06:09] <sauvin> Tried that. I just get a "log out" popup.
[06:09] <sauvin> Logging out on this machine hangs.
[06:09] <Dr_willis> AmyRose,   thats used to be a real annoyance - i agree. Dont seem to be much of a issue these days. :)
[06:09] <AmyRose> I kept hiting it too much
[06:10] <AmyRose> Dr_willis: yeah, since HAL detects which /dev file it is
[06:10] <Dr_willis> good old Hal! :0
[06:10] <Dr_willis> Hal hater! :0
[06:10] <teiwaz> dascreech? thoughts?
[06:10] <intelikey> yup
[06:11] <bionic> are the army of the 12 monkeys really coming ?
[06:11] <Dr_willis> Friend at work had a U3 (e3?) usb thumbdrive. I plugged it into my linxu box.. and it showed up as 2 devices.. one cdrom (on scd0) and one Usb drive on sda1
[06:11] <Dr_willis> i found that... interesting...
[06:11] <teiwaz> dr_ willis, yeah, they have a seperate boot partition type thing
[06:11] <teiwaz> it's so you can autoload programs
[06:11] <Dr_willis> Yea. but how did it show up as a Cdrom?
[06:12] <teiwaz> they have two partitions
[06:12] <Dr_willis> from what i looked at its loading stuff.. it seemed a big gimicky, :)
[06:12] <Dr_willis> but why would 1 paritton show up as a cdrom?
[06:12] <intelikey> Dr_willis yeah   that should not happen but using scsi emulation is part of the problem
[06:12] <Dr_willis> but under windows - it also showed up as a cdrom
[06:12] <teiwaz> no, it's deliberate
[06:12] <Dr_willis> one cd + 1 remiveabel device
[06:12] <teiwaz> they have a seperate small partition that shows as a cd
[06:13] <sauvin> I am an idiot. I wasn't hitting ctrl-alt-backspace. I was hitting ctrl-alt-delete.
[06:13] <Dr_willis> thats a nifty trick.. trying to work around any usb lockouts i guess. :)
[06:13] <teiwaz> yup
[06:13] <AmyRose> sauvin: lol
[06:13] <teiwaz> so anyone have any suggestions for gstreamer
[06:13] <teiwaz> ?
[06:14] <intelikey> xine
[06:14] <teiwaz> no
[06:14] <teiwaz> mine is broken
[06:14] <intelikey> then ! i
[06:14] <sauvin> Yup. I was on the Internet before Joe Sixpack ever even heard of it - AOL wasn't even a formal entity then. I was very skilled in tinkering with DOS machines, and even more skilled with 6502-based computers. I am a LEET HAXOR who can't even hit the right damn KEYS.
[06:15] <bionic> ok
[06:15] <sauvin> teiwaz, why are you asking about gstreamer?
[06:15] <teiwaz> I FUBAR'd it
[06:15] <teiwaz> anything that calls it doesn't work
[06:15] <Dr_willis> I have several C64s  still.
[06:15] <ardchoille> teiwaz: xine is much better: sudo apt-get install xine-ui libxine-extracodecs
[06:15] <teiwaz> I've tried clearing the cache, reinstalling the individual packages, etc
[06:15] <ardchoille> Dr_willis: You do?! Those were nice.
[06:15] <draik> Dr_willis: Well, the website is of no help (vmware.com)
[06:16] <sauvin> mplayer is better even still, for most things. If you need gstreamer for flash plugins, i'd recommend the Adobe plugin instead.
[06:16] <Dr_willis> ardchoille,  yep. :)  theres also a C64-Game-Joystick (for the tv) that has like 30 of the old C64 games.
[06:16] <Dr_willis> ardchoille,  like $20
[06:16] <ardchoille> o.O
[06:16] <teiwaz> I'm trying to get stuff like banshee or amarok running
[06:17] <teiwaz> xine = segmentation fault for me
[06:17] <intelikey> hmmm have to run.   keep your pinguins cool fellows
[06:17] <ardchoille> intelikey: take care :)
[06:18] <draik> Dr_willis: What do I want to be googling anywho? I'm going on "vmware server ethernet controller driver"
[06:19] <teiwaz> anything involving gstreamer gives "error intializing: error re-scanning registry, child terminated wby signal"
[06:19] <Dr_willis> draik,  i would search for 'vmware windows xp network card driver'
[06:19] <Dr_willis> Browse to the AMDPCNET directory to install the drivers for the "Advanced Micro Devices PCNET Family" adapter.
[06:19] <Dr_willis> is mentioned in a few sites
[06:20] <Dr_willis> http://www.vmware.com/community/index.jspa
[06:20] <sauvin> An interesting side effect of the abortive xserver config, though, is that I'm suddenly getting colourful slider bars where they all used to be all of a single colour... kewel!
[06:20] <AmyRose> uh...
[06:20] <AmyRose> sauvin: What?
[06:21] <Dr_willis> The network card is an AMD PCNet Lance card. XP should already have the drivers for it on the install CD
[06:21] <sauvin> I know. I didn't change anything. Hardware acceleration is still intact. But I'm getting colour sliders now. Strange.
[06:23] <bionic> what the hell does that program SKIM do
[06:26] <Dr_willis> some sort of input thang. :)
[06:26] <Dr_willis> !info skim
[06:26] <ubotu> skim: smart common input method platform for KDE. In component main, is optional. Version 1.4.5-1ubuntu1 (feisty), package size 1236 kB, installed size 2676 kB
[06:28] <sauvin> Isn't that some kind of scheme for making it easier for people working with Oriental languages?
[06:30] <draik> Dr_willis: Nothing. Seems that I'm alone on this one
[06:32] <Dr_willis> google for the "Advanced Micro Devices PCNET Famil' drivers then on the amd web site perhaps.
[06:32] <bionic> if i wanted to i could code linux to be almost the same as windows vista
[06:34] <hitmanWilly> bionic, but why would you want to?
[06:35] <bionic> i wouldnt
[06:35] <bionic> i can call it lindows
[06:35] <hitmanWilly> bionic, nice try, already taken :)
[06:36] <bionic> really
[06:36] <bionic> whats it like
[06:36] <hitmanWilly> bionic, its what linspire used to be called
[06:37] <bionic> is it good
[06:37] <hitmanWilly> bionic, no, especially since they signed a novell-esque deal with MS
[06:37] <ardchoille> I wouldn't have bowed to them, I'd have kept the name Lindows. M$ doesn't have a copyright on the English language. Screw 'em.
[06:38] <spartan01_> anyone there that can help me with printer issues?
[06:38] <ardchoille> !printer
[06:38] <ubotu> Printing in Ubuntu is done with cups. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Printers - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsPrinters - http://www.linux-foundation.org/en/OpenPrinting - Printer sharing: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NetworkPrintingFromWindows
[06:38] <kalorin`> well these acer lcd's seem to be ok
[06:38] <kalorin`> need to get the prices on some of those samsung 3000:1 contrast ratio deals
[06:38] <bionic> so windows were going to sue them
[06:39] <kalorin`> might want to consider returnin these and going to those
[06:39] <sauvin> What does "number of colourmap cells" mean in X-Server KInfoCenter mean?
[06:40] <mm_202> Hey guys, is there an easy way to have nfs share mount, but when it becomes unavailable (eg: wireless laptop), it automatically switches to an offline local copy of it?
[06:40] <ardchoille> bionic: Windows won't sue Linux users.. they'd be cutting their own throat.
[06:40] <Dr_willis> mm_202,  that may be a bit hard to do.
[06:40] <mm_202> :/
[06:41] <Dr_willis> nfs shares mounted, then the server dropping/hanging/ect.. is not good for nfs
[06:41] <Dr_willis> Its not real resiliant :)
[06:41] <mm_202> Dr_willis: what happens if you have dir with stuff in it (say the offline files) and you mount on top of it?
[06:41] <mm_202> lol, yeah, Ive found that out the hard way :)
[06:41] <Dr_willis> thats possible i guess.
[06:42] <Dr_willis>  but if the NFS share/server hangs up/network changes// then how is the system to know that..
[06:42] <Dr_willis> the 'nfs
[06:42] <Dr_willis> book i got says it thus./.  ' a crashed nfs share is seen as a disk thats REAL REAL REAL slow...' :)
[06:43] <mm_202> yeah, hmm, well this is basically just for music/movie files, is there something like rsync that would automatically sync up files on your local machine when it detects the network?
[06:43] <bionic> does anyone know how fix torrents
[06:43] <bionic> it download slow on my computer
[06:43] <bionic> but on the other computer in my house it downloads fast
[06:43] <mm_202> I know I could write some scripts, but just wondering if there are some programs that already do that
[06:43] <Biovore> bionic: have you outside ports open to your computer...
[06:43] <bionic> how do i do that
[06:44] <bionic> its download at 4k
[06:44] <bionic> i did it in windows
[06:44] <bionic> and set the port range
[06:44] <Biovore> bionic: depends on how you setup your network..
[06:44] <bionic> but still no good
[06:44] <mm_202> bionic:  fist make sure that you have your ports forwarded correctly
[06:44] <bionic> its going through a hub
[06:44] <bionic> so there is no host
[06:44] <Dr_willis> ktorrent has a upnp plugin thats handy.
[06:44] <bionic> yeah i do mm
[06:45] <bionic> where can i get that from
[06:46] <ardchoille> !ktorrent
[06:46] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ktorrent - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:46] <ardchoille> !info ktorrent
[06:46] <ubotu> ktorrent: BitTorrent client for KDE. In component main, is optional. Version 2.1-0ubuntu2.1 (feisty), package size 2347 kB, installed size 8852 kB
[06:46] <bionic> where get that plugin from dr willis
[06:48] <Dr_willis> its there by default. just enable it
[06:49] <Dr_willis> IF your router has upnp features.
[06:49] <Dr_willis> Hmm.. i backed up a lot of stuff.. and some how - the directory structure got made.. but the actual data files dident get copied over.. wonder how  i did that.
[06:51] <mm_202> Dr_willis: I guess I'll just write some scripts for my nfs/mount issue. But another issue (or major inconvience) that I have is that I also use a nfs mount to store central files for Kontact.  I have a few computers (and the same laptop) that share it.  Problem is, I take the said laptop on the road and Kontact does not like it at all.  Is there anything better for Kontact, a plugin or something that will store offline copies and sync automatically?
[06:51] <mm_202> s/Im/sure he
[06:51] <bionic> the plugin has detected any devices
[06:51] <bionic> sucks
[06:53] <Dr_willis> I never use kontact. i rarely do the stuff you are doing..
[06:53] <Dr_willis> i tend to use the smbfuse to mount/copy/share things onmy lan.
[06:53] <mm_202> would rsync to worth looking into?
[06:54] <Dr_willis> rsync and theres another tool.. let me check...
[06:54] <Dr_willis> unison unison-gtk
[06:54] <Dr_willis> is a good tool also.
[06:55] <mm_202> ok, thank you, I will look into it.
[06:55] <Dr_willis> !find unison
[06:55] <ubotu> Found: unison, unison-gtk, unison2.9.1, unison2.9.1-gtk
[06:55] <Dr_willis> hmm
[06:55] <Dr_willis> !info  unison-gtk
[06:55] <ubotu> unison-gtk: A file-synchronization tool for Unix and Windows - GTK interface. In component universe, is optional. Version 2.13.16-6ubuntu1 (feisty), package size 805 kB, installed size 2168 kB
[06:56] <Dr_willis> !info  unison2.9.1-gtk
[06:56] <ubotu> unison2.9.1-gtk: A file-synchronization tool for Unix and Windows - GTK interface. In component universe, is optional. Version 2.9.1-7 (feisty), package size 749 kB, installed size 2008 kB
[06:56] <Dr_willis> thats... oddd..
[06:56] <Dr_willis> some sort of fork/split?
[06:56] <mm_202> looks like it
[06:57] <mm_202> I might just try some type of groupware for Kontact and just write some scripts for my music/video stuff.
[06:57] <DaSkreech> bionic: Microsoft owns the name Lindows
[06:57] <bionic> Dr_willis that plugin couldnt find and devices
[06:57] <mm_202> Would anyone here be interested in my results / scripts?
[06:58] <kalorin`> heh
[06:58] <kalorin`> glxgears is 3925fps
[06:58] <DaSkreech> mm_202: I thought you were bribing us with your being bretty :)
[06:58] <kalorin`> my x700 used to get around 700 :)
[06:58] <kalorin`> n-sane
[06:58] <mm_202> bretty?
[06:58] <DaSkreech> Pretty
[06:59] <mm_202> lol
[07:01] <mm_202> DaSkreech: not sure how much of that was a joke, but Im a guy, and a programmer, so not very [bp] retty :P
[07:01] <DaSkreech> * mm_202 is pretty Im not the first to run into this.
[07:02] <DaSkreech> Quoting something you said further up
[07:03] <mm_202> ahh, sorry, been a long night, got it.
[07:03] <mm_202> Thanks for clarifying, was a little worried there for a sec :)
[07:07] <ubuntu> hi
[07:07] <ubuntu> can anyone help me?
[07:08] <Biovore> !ask
[07:08] <ubotu> Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[07:09] <ubuntu> I am going to instal my kubuntu but i have a proble
[07:09] <ubuntu> problem
[07:09] <ubuntu> my HDD is separated to 5 parts
[07:10] <ubuntu> 3 ntfs 1 swap and 1 ext3
[07:10] <Biovore> err 5 partitions?  some of those have to be "virtual partitions"
[07:10] <Biovore> ah ok..
[07:10] <ubuntu> how to install my kubuntu without foramt the ntfs partitions
[07:10] <ubuntu> foramt*
[07:11] <ubuntu> format
[07:11] <Biovore> well do you still want what is in the ext3 and swap.. you could install into thoses again..
[07:12] <ubuntu> how to set a root file system
[07:12] <ubuntu> they are blank
[07:12] <Biovore> You can do that in the installer
[07:12] <ubuntu> but how
[07:12] <Biovore> kparted has a option to manualy step your partitions..
[07:13] <ubuntu> i am now installing the kubuntu
[07:13] <ubuntu> and when i press next it shows a problem "No root file system is defined"
[07:15] <Biovore> http://www.biovore.net/Kubuntu_install/slide9.html  <-- thats for dapper, but it should be about the same..
[07:15] <DaSkreech> ubuntu: You are in the live cd Now?
[07:15] <ubuntu> yes
[07:16] <DaSkreech> ubuntu: the screen where you press nect does it have a Manual option ?
[07:17] <ubuntu> yes i pressed it
[07:17] <ubuntu> and i am a dialog called "Prepare partitions"
[07:25] <ubuntu> !install
[07:25] <ubotu> Ubuntu can be installed in lots of ways. Please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation for documentation. Problems during install? See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommonProblemsInstall and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperReleaseNotes/UbiquityKnownIssues - See also !automate
[07:29] <ubuntu> !automate
[07:29] <ubotu> Ways to automate installation of Ubuntu on multiple machines are described at https://help.ubuntu.com/6.10/ubuntu/installation-guide/i386/automatic-install.html - See also !cloning
[07:29] <kalorin`> I'm trying to decide if i like this deal where the non-active windows become transparent
[07:29] <kalorin`> it's very cool, but a little visually confusing
[07:31] <bionic> what cheap tricks windows have incorperated into there new software
[07:32] <underdog5004> kalorin, the only time windows become transparent for me is when I move them...it's nice.
[07:33] <bionic> i have a microsoft key board
[07:34] <underdog5004> They make pretty good hardware
[07:34] <underdog5004> except for those two ethernet cards they came out with a while ago...nightmare!
[07:34] <bionic> but there software is fucke
[07:34] <bionic> d
[07:34] <underdog5004> !language
[07:34] <ubotu> Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[07:34] <bionic> sorry
[07:35] <kalorin`> well, I mean windows is good at some times
[07:35] <kalorin`> things
[07:35] <kalorin`> well, basically, games
[07:35] <kalorin`> yeah that's about it
[07:40] <bionic> what does DHT stand for ?
[07:44] <underdog5004> bionic, in what context?
[07:44] <bionic> for KTorrent
[07:45] <DaSkreech> kalorin`: Integration and GUIFIED Management tools
[07:45] <underdog5004> DHT is just that, a trackerless network
[07:45] <DaSkreech> Dynamic Hash Table I think
[07:45] <underdog5004> from http://ktorrent.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=10206&sid=c0555b911b67c3e1c8b25978bab45158
[07:45] <underdog5004> the first hit on google.
[07:45] <underdog5004> looks like a protocol to me...may be 2 different things...
[07:46] <underdog5004> DaSkreech, I think we're both right
[07:54] <bionic> im right
[07:55] <DaSkreech> Hardly
[07:58] <Tyro> hey, i'm dowloading a kubuntu Cd right now
[07:59] <Tyro> do i burn it to a disk and run it
[07:59] <DaSkreech> Good good
[07:59] <DaSkreech> Yes
[07:59] <DaSkreech> you know how to burn an ISO?
[07:59] <Tyro> i know that you can do it using DVD decrypt
[07:59] <Tyro> but otherwise no
[07:59] <DaSkreech> Ha ha
[07:59] <bionic> nero
[07:59] <DaSkreech> well what burnign software do you have?
[08:00] <Tyro> Like Sonic something and DVD decrypt
[08:00] <DaSkreech> Oh..
[08:00] <DaSkreech> I kinda know sonic
[08:00] <DaSkreech> >_--
[08:00] <bionic> nero
[08:01] <DaSkreech> bionic: He doesn't have Nero
[08:01] <bionic> nero 7
[08:01] <Tyro> shhh
[08:01] <Tyro> ohh i see
[08:01] <Tyro> were we go
[08:01] <DaSkreech> bionic: If you aren't going to be helpful please be quiet
[08:01] <DaSkreech> Tyro: do you have a brn image button in Sonic?
[08:02] <Tyro> no, it sais upgrade
[08:02] <Tyro> stupid thing
[08:02] <DaSkreech> Hmm
[08:02] <DaSkreech> When you click burn image ?
[08:02] <Tyro> yeah, i don't have the full thing i don't think
[08:02] <DaSkreech> Ha ha ok
[08:02] <DaSkreech>  no problem
[08:02] <Tyro> i reckon i could use DVD decrypt though
[08:03] <Tyro> i've used it before
[08:03] <DaSkreech> http://www.deepburner.com/download/DeepBurner1.exe
[08:03] <DaSkreech> That' a 3 meg file
[08:03] <DaSkreech>  that should allow you to burn it
[08:03] <Tyro> meh, doesn't DVD decrypt do it
[08:03] <Tyro> it has both a iso read and write
[08:03] <DaSkreech> Don't know
[08:03] <DaSkreech> Oh
[08:03] <DaSkreech>  yeah then
[08:03] <DaSkreech> Use that
[08:03] <Tyro> i'll try it first
[08:04] <Tyro> is kubuntu easier than ubunty for a first time linux user?
[08:04] <Tyro> ubuntu*
[08:05] <Tyro> is there any big difference between gnome and KDE
[08:06] <Tyro> DaSkreech. do you know?
[08:07] <DaSkreech> Tyro: yes quite a lot
[08:07] <DaSkreech> Not enough to be worried
[08:07] <DaSkreech> Tyro: You can install both and decide yourself which one you like
[08:07] <Tyro> would ubuntu or kubuntu be easier for me to start with
[08:08] <DaSkreech> Tyro: I may be biased but I think that the #kubuntu channel is more helpful than Ubuntu
[08:08] <kalorin`> gah 2:08
[08:08] <DaSkreech> #ubuntu
[08:08] <Tyro> i chose to download kubuntu first, for some reason
[08:08] <kalorin`> need to be heading to bed now
[08:08] <DaSkreech> kalorin`: Tell me about it
[08:08] <kalorin`> tyro I prefer kde because the interface seems more uniform
[08:08] <Tyro> oki
[08:09] <Tyro> does anyone have a screenshot of heir kubuntu set up?
[08:09] <kalorin`> gnome seemed a bit mroe scattered, certainly it has some really cool things, but they seemed inconsistently implemented to me
[08:09] <Tyro> their*
[08:09] <kalorin`> !themes
[08:09] <ubotu> Find your themes at: http://www.gnome-look.org - http://art.gnome.org - http://www.kde-look.org - http://themes.freshmeat.net/browse/58/ - http://www.guistyles.com - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/ - Also see !changethemes and https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuEyeCandy
[08:09] <kalorin`> there you go
[08:09] <Tyro> COOL!
[08:09] <kalorin`> www.kde-look.org
[08:10] <Tyro> has anyone seen the new Aus Notebook
[08:10] <Tyro> it's really tiny
[08:10] <Tyro> and i'm thinking of getting it
[08:10] <DaSkreech> :-)
[08:10] <Tyro> it's called Eee PC 701
[08:10] <Tyro> check it out
[08:10] <Tyro> i'll get a link
[08:11] <Tyro> for a preview
[08:11] <kalorin`> wow, I can't believe I'm sitting here looking at these 2 22" widescreens and thinking, you know, I could likely get by with just 1 24"
[08:12] <kalorin`> 27" would be too crazy
[08:12] <Tyro> yes, you could
[08:12] <kalorin`> ?x1600
[08:12] <kalorin`> hush, just bought them tonight and they have a 30 day return policy
[08:12] <kalorin`> and I'm already feeling enough buyers remorse
[08:12] <Tyro> i'll give you my address and you can return them to me
[08:12] <kalorin`> heh
[08:13] <Biovore> yeah nvidia works better on linux..
[08:13] <Tyro> here's the cool notebook http://www.hothardware.com/articles/Hands_on_with_the_ASUS_Eee/?page=1
[08:13] <Tyro> take a look
[08:13] <kalorin`> way better I think
[08:13] <kalorin`> I'm running the nvidia drivers but it just seems better
[08:14] <Tyro> i have a 7600Gt XD
[08:15] <kalorin`> I bought and 8600GT tonight
[08:15] <kalorin`> needed the dual dvi out
[08:16] <DaSkreech> Well I'm off to bed
[08:16] <DaSkreech> night
[08:17] <SRN9> help im in winblows hell
[08:17] <DaSkreech> SRN9: Apply one Live Cd, Repeat as needed
[08:17] <SRN9> :P
[08:17] <DaSkreech> SRN9: plus KDE4 cometh :)
[08:18] <SRN9> yeah exactly , I have a question has any of you used CEDEGA or CROSSOVER?
[08:18] <Tyro> are all the bottom takbars on Linux massive
[08:18] <SRN9> KDE4 is god
[08:18] <Tyro> i've only used windows and i like that size
[08:18] <kalorin`> kde3 is pretty nice
[08:18] <SRN9> no
[08:18] <kalorin`> tyro I put mine on the left side
[08:18] <DaSkreech> Tyro: Make them what ever size you want
[08:19] <SRN9> kde keeps it clean
[08:20] <SRN9> now as for KDE4 what am I to expect... in comparison to kde3?
[08:20] <DaSkreech> SRN9: Nothing
[08:20] <DaSkreech> and everything
[08:21] <DaSkreech> you'll get somewhere in between
[08:21] <SRN9> Hmm I see now as fo0r my original question... anyone here use CEDEGA or CROSOVER linux ?
[08:21] <SRN9> *for
[08:22] <DaSkreech> SRN9: Oh also keep in mind KDE4 != KDE 4.0
[08:23] <SRN9> thats right with kde4 new dependencys new bugs to work out. but the KDE team seems good about that issue.
[08:23] <SRN9> *dependencies
[08:24] <SRN9> man my spelling today.
[08:24] <Tyro> DaSkreech can i make it any size, easily
[08:25] <DaSkreech> SRN9: Though that's not a KDE question so #ubuntu may help as well
[08:25] <DaSkreech> Tyro: yes
[08:25] <Tyro> cool
[08:25] <Tyro> i'm loving linux allready
[08:26] <underdog5004> we just about all do, ha ha
[08:26] <Tyro> oh, if you like it, i'm not gonna like it.
[08:26] <Tyro> haha
[08:26] <SRN9> well anyways... I will be back later... thanks for the help as allways.
[08:26] <bobc> the network throughput of one of my systems dropped to just a few hundred Kbps out, but is still 100Mbps in. any ideas why this would suddenly occur?
[08:27] <sille> need hlp pls.  database locked on me after crash. help to unlock. thx.
[08:27] <underdog5004> bobc, you're tubes are clogged with poker chips and horses
[08:27] <underdog5004> s/you're/your
[08:28] <bobc> underdog5004: of course! why didn't I think of that?
[08:28] <underdog5004> lol, ted stevens ftw
[08:28] <underdog5004> off topic, sorry
[08:28] <bobc> but that wouldn't explain why it was only in one direction?
[08:29] <underdog5004> check to make sure that no other box is uploading a crap-load of data...
[08:29] <bobc> this has been going on for several days
[08:30] <underdog5004> bobc, hmmm...do you have any kind of network monitor?
[08:30] <underdog5004> !iftop
[08:30] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about iftop - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:30] <underdog5004> !find iftop
[08:30] <ubotu> Found: iftop
[08:30] <underdog5004> InterFace TOP
[08:30] <bobc> never heard of iftop
[08:31] <underdog5004> it's like top for network interfaces.
[08:32] <sille> pls someone help w terminal (dos) command to unlock my database (packing system).  system must have crashed??
[08:34] <morph_> hello all
[08:34] <underdog5004> sille, you need to tell us what database program you're using. You may also want to move to the irc channel that's specifically for your language.
[08:34] <underdog5004> hey, morph_
[08:35] <morph_> waiting for kde 4
[08:36] <underdog5004> the beta is out...I'm just waiting it out, though
[08:36] <morph_> yeah dont wanna mess with beta anymore
[08:36] <underdog5004> only beta software I use is beryl
[08:37] <morph_> yeah beryl and kiba dock for me
[08:37] <morph_> kiba is a bit tricky though
[08:37] <underdog5004> I use AWN
[08:37] <underdog5004> it's nice...not as rich, though.
[08:38] <morph_> causes a few problems with beryl
[08:38] <morph_> havent used awn or seen it
[08:38] <underdog5004> avant window manager
[08:39] <underdog5004> you need to have some kind of composite manager installed...
[08:39] <underdog5004> the one that comes with beryl is fine.
[08:39] <sille> language is English.  I am talking specifically re: cannot uninstal apps in kubuntu as error message indicated that "another app is using the packaging database and changes will not be saved.  Had this issue before and someone provided commands to unlock the system database.
[08:40] <underdog5004> what database program are you using?
[08:40] <sille> not a database program
[08:40] <sille> talking about kubuntus core database.
[08:40] <underdog5004> sille, ok. the apt-get database?
[08:40] <sille> yes.  :}
[08:41] <morph_> gonna try awn
[08:41] <underdog5004> !apt-lock
[08:41] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about apt-lock - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:41] <underdog5004> !apt
[08:41] <ubotu> APT is the Advanced Package Tool, which together with dpkg forms the basic Ubuntu package management toolkit. Short apt-get manual: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AptGetHowto - Also see !Synaptic (Gnome) or !Adept (KDE)
[08:41] <underdog5004> !lock
[08:41] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about lock - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:41] <underdog5004> h/o
[08:41] <sille> don't want to lock... hoping to unlock... will search some more.
[08:42] <underdog5004> http://www.linuxforums.org/forum/yoper-linux-help/18223-apt-get-problem.html
[08:42] <morph_> oooh
[08:42] <morph_> avan looks nice
[08:42] <underdog5004> yup
[08:42] <Tyro> when i have a Kubuntu CD, do i have to boot from the CD, or can i run the CD one windows is booted
[08:42] <morph_> kiba was too much for my card
[08:42] <underdog5004> boot from the cd
[08:43] <underdog5004> morph_, bummer
[08:43] <Tyro> so i have to configure my system to boot from CD before HDD
[08:43] <underdog5004> yep
[08:43] <morph_> had kiba running without physics
[08:43] <Tyro> cool
[08:43] <Tyro> thx
[08:43] <underdog5004> np
[08:44] <morph_> brb
[08:46] <underdog5004> k
[08:46] <Tyro> underdog5004 when i asked whether to boot from CD, i meant if i'm using it as a Live CD
[08:46] <Tyro> just checking if you understood me
[08:46] <underdog5004> Tyro, yeah, you need to boot from the cd, from the LiveCD
[08:47] <Tyro> cool, even if i'm just testing it
[08:47] <Tyro> not installing
[08:47] <underdog5004> have fun with it
[08:47] <underdog5004> it'll be a little slow
[08:47] <Tyro> ok
[08:47] <Tyro> i'm gonna try Kubuntu, i might be using it on my new computer
[08:47] <underdog5004> neat
[08:48] <morph_> kubuntu is great
[08:48] <morph_> easy to use
[08:48] <Tyro> i'm thinking of getting a new asus 7" laptop
[08:48] <Tyro> and i thought it could be neat, it comes with xandros
[08:48] <Tyro> and xandros doesn't support wine
[08:48] <underdog5004> lol, 7" ?
[08:48] <Tyro> yep
[08:48] <underdog5004> crazy small
[08:49] <Tyro> price is gonna be like $199 USD
[08:49] <morph_> cpu?
[08:49] <Tyro> coolest thing ever
[08:49] <Tyro> http://www.hothardware.com/articles/Hands_on_with_the_ASUS_Eee/?page=1
[08:49] <Tyro> check it out
[08:49] <Tyro> 900MHz
[08:49] <Tyro> no powerhouse
[08:49] <Tyro> but it's sweet
[08:49] <underdog5004> more than enough for kubuntu
[08:49] <underdog5004> you may want to try xubuntu or plain ubuntu
[08:49] <Tyro> i'm sure
[08:50] <Tyro> why's that
[08:50] <morph_> yeah should be fun to play with
[08:50] <underdog5004> Tyro, the desktop will be a bit snappier
[08:50] <underdog5004> just less eyecandy
[08:50] <Tyro> it won't be fun, it will be MAS!
[08:50] <Tyro> what do you mean underdog5004
[08:51] <Tyro> snappier?
[08:51] <underdog5004> Tyro, when you open windows, or move them, or resize them, it will all happen faster
[08:51] <Tyro> you mean from live cd?
[08:51] <Tyro> or from xubuntu
 did you get preferences working on AWN
[08:51] <underdog5004> Tyro, no, when you install kubuntu onto the hard drive, it will be slower than if you'd installed xubuntu
[08:51] <underdog5004> morph_, yep
[08:52] <morph_> how just got it and it doesnt work
[08:52] <xevious> where are user's X display settings stored? (different users can have different screen resolutions) -- the issue i'm having is that my login screen and desktop are different resolutions and refresh rates. my xorg.conf only has the modelines that I want to use listed, and screen section only lists the resolutions i want available to X
[08:52] <morph_> only has the taskbar working
[08:52] <underdog5004> morph_, it just worked...
[08:52] <morph_> wierd for me
[08:52] <underdog5004> right-click on the bar and select preferences
[08:53] <underdog5004> xevious, /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[08:53] <Tyro> so, xubuntu is better than kubuntu?
[08:53] <underdog5004> Tyro, it requires less resources, less RAM, less cpu power, etc
[08:53] <Tyro> ok, what's the main difference?
[08:54] <xevious> underdog5004: that's apparently only where the system looks to set the login screen's resolution/refresh. users can then choose their own, and for some reason my system differs. i want to check whatever file my user's account has its X display settings in
[08:54] <underdog5004> If you install kubuntu, there will be a lot of eyecandy (nice looking things, like neato themes, and stuff), but it will run slower than if you run xubuntu, which tends to be lighter, and simpler (read: less features)
[08:54] <underdog5004> xevious, sorry, I don't know
[08:54] <xevious> oh well
[08:55] <Tyro> ok
[08:55] <Tyro> i'll go check it out
[08:55] <underdog5004> k
[08:55] <underdog5004> I'm going to go watch a movie...good night, all
[08:55] <Tyro> but surely it's not that bad with kubuntu
[08:55] <underdog5004> no, it's not
[08:55] <Tyro> i'll trey kubuntu first
[08:55] <underdog5004> I had kubuntu installed on a 933Mhz box with 512Mb RAM...it was fine
[08:55] <Tyro> try*
[08:55] <underdog5004> bye
[08:55] <Tyro> awesome
[08:55] <Tyro> cye
[08:56] <jack> Does anyone have experience with Kubuntu accessing NTFS drives
[08:57] <morph_> oh yeah I had a question to,  is there a good proggy for converting video to different formats?
[08:57] <ardchoille> !ffmpeg
[08:57] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ffmpeg - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:57] <ardchoille> !info ffmpeg
[08:57] <ubotu> ffmpeg: multimedia player, server and encoder. In component universe, is optional. Version 3:0.cvs20060823-3.1ubuntu4 (feisty), package size 176 kB, installed size 620 kB
[08:58] <bionic> why does my refresh so crap
[08:59] <Tyro> as if it is 176Kb?
[09:01] <bionic> my do i have such a crap refresh rate
[09:04] <sille> Anyone know the terminal string to unlock the system package manager database...  or how to close down processes that could be causing this lock?  to have already skimmed ubuntu factoids.
[09:05] <os2mac> Is Launchpad down?
[09:07] <bionic> what does katapault do
[09:07] <jack> It is a quick lauch system for starting programs and finding things on your machine
[09:14] <bionic> whats the meaning of life
[09:14] <acecase> hello
[09:15] <acecase> bionic: the answer to your question is of course 42
[09:15] <sille> Thank you all for your assist with my earlier issue.  I was able to resolve on own.
[09:15] <acecase> grats sille
[09:16] <acecase> how would I go about installing the nvidia drivers from the command line? I didn't install any video driver support into my kernel so I can't use the menu
[09:17] <jai> hi
[09:18] <bionic> hi
[09:18] <jai> can someone help me with a menubar
[09:18] <acecase> everything that I can find shows to go System -> Administration -> Restricted Device Manager etc etc
[09:18] <morph_> back
[09:18] <acecase> wb
[09:18] <bionic> back
[09:18] <morph_> thanx
[09:18] <vzduch> acecase: ?  did you build your own kernel?
[09:18] <morph_> wow looking at the asus lappy
[09:18] <acecase> vzduch: yes
[09:19] <morph_> good deal to leave at home running orb
[09:19] <jai> when personalizer came up.. kinda chose mac look.. which gave me a bar on top.. for the menus.. but now i ran kpersonlizer made it kde.. but i still have that menu on top
[09:19] <vzduch> what for?
[09:19] <acecase> vzduch: because I like to :)
[09:19] <jai> i removed from applet the menubar.. but now its floating up there.. mocking me
[09:19] <acecase> vzduch: I don't like the module bloat
[09:20] <jai> i want to get rid of that panel on top
[09:21] <acecase> my favorite way to install is to use ubuntu-server then compile a clean kernel and now that i'm using X I install kubuntu-desktop
[09:21] <jai> the remove panel isnt accessible
[09:21] <bionic> acecase you are good
[09:21] <morph_> wish they wold make orb for linux already
[09:22] <acecase> bionic: thank you but obviously not good enough since I'm asking how to install the nvid drivers :)
[09:22] <jai> anyone know how to fix this?
[09:22] <acecase> most of my experience with linux has been through a shell in a server invironment
[09:23] <acecase> and the apt package manager is kinda new to me as well. I have mostly dealt with portage
[09:24] <acecase> I know I'm asking for it but.. I have never believed linux to be a suitable desktop OS before now
[09:24] <bionic> why dont you stick to you're terminal
[09:25] <Guilty_as_Sin> so now you'll be sudo apt-get'n what you once were emerging
[09:25] <acecase> because I'm putting linux on my laptop :)
[09:25] <acecase> Guilty_as_Sin: I wish it was that simple
[09:25] <Guilty_as_Sin> lol
[09:27] <acecase> if i did compile nvidia support into my kernel would it conflict with the binary drivers?
[09:27] <bionic> yes
[09:27] <acecase> thanks
[09:27] <vzduch> what exactly prevents you from using the cmdline on your laptop?
[09:28] <acecase> nothing
[09:28] <acecase> I can't use the menu
[09:28] <vzduch> so use it!  sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx
[09:28] <acecase> I don't have Xserver working because I don't have vid support built into this kernel
[09:29] <acecase> that all it takes? I don't have to enable restricted?
[09:29] <vzduch> (though I don't know if the binary drivers will work w/ a self-built kernel that is newer than the one that ships w/ *buntu
[09:29] <bionic> re install linux
[09:30] <vzduch> well, the prebuilt kernel also has a pkg linux-restricted-modules
[09:30] <acecase> vzduch: that's a good point. didn't consider that
[09:30] <codex> hi everyone, iam having some problems with "adept" package manager. i keep getting an error saying another process is using the package manager database. can anybody help me ?
[09:30] <acecase> I may just have to manualy install them but then I lose the functionality of apt updates
[09:30] <vzduch> !aptfix | codex
[09:30] <ubotu> codex: If Adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole:  sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a 
[09:30] <acecase> codex: do you have another package manager running? including apt-get
[09:31] <codex> no
[09:31] <vzduch> then try the above
[09:31] <acecase> sorry. vzduch will show you the way :) aptfix
[09:33] <codex> hey thank it working now
[09:36] <bionic> what cool commands can i put in Konsole
[09:39] <acecase> bionic: try this...   rm -fr /   (Just KIdding) (dont)
[09:40] <bionic> what does that do
[09:40] <combo> - how to make my NTFS partitions writeable ??
[09:40] <egon_> hello :) How can i change in init 3_
[09:40] <vzduch> !ntfs-3g | combo
[09:40] <ubotu> combo: ntfs-3g is a Linux driver which allows read/write access to NTFS partitions. Installation instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MountingWindowsPartitions
[09:40] <egon_> ?
[09:40] <acecase> it will remove anything that you have permision to remove
[09:40] <combo> vzduch: thx :)
[09:41] <vzduch> egon_: by typing 'sudo init 3' in a terminal.. but it will be of exactly no use as runlevels 2, 3, 4, and 5 are the same in *buntu
[09:42] <bionic> hey
[09:42] <egon_> if i tipp it in the konsole npothing will happen+
[09:42] <bionic> all i have to do to set up video driver is to go to system setting and choose nvidia yeah ?
[09:42] <bionic> or do i have to download something
[09:43] <egon_> nothing happen ...
[09:44] <vzduch> bionic: what do you think the package manager gets the driver from? :D
[09:44] <vzduch> egon_: that's what I told you.. what do you want to happen?
[09:45] <Tyro> hey, a  question for all linux users
[09:45] <egon_> i want to install my VGA Driver for Nvidia 7300 go
[09:45] <Tyro> is the nuber 1 and 2 on the bottom taskbar 2 separate desktops
[09:46] <vzduch> egon_: 'sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx', or, if it supports your card, 'sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx-new'
[09:46] <Tyro> c'mon someone must know
[09:47] <Tyro> AHHHHHHHHH!
[09:48] <Tyro> help plz
[09:48] <egon_> hehe lol this drivers wont support my card xD
[09:48] <vzduch> Tyro: all it takes to find that out is switch to either one and start a program in each :)
[09:49] <Tyro> he number 1 and 2 on the bottom talk bar of kububtu, is that 2 desktops
[09:49] <Tyro> yeah, i don't have it yet though
[09:49] <Tyro> i'm downloading kubuntu right now vzduch
[09:49] <Tyro> that's why i ask
[09:50] <Tyro> so i'm gathering from your answer that it is 2 desktops
[09:50] <Tyro> yes?
[09:50] <vzduch> you can also configure the control bar to either show all running programs (default) or only those on the virtual desktop you're currently on
[09:50] <Tyro> ok, so htey are 2 virtual desktops?
[09:51] <vzduch> and you can have as many virtual desktops as you wish.. I have 4, as that is customary in other distros
[09:51] <Tyro> what do you mean customary
[09:51] <egon_> if i want to install the driver with : " sudo sh ...... " the Driver told me that i have to exit the x-server... if i do this the Driver told me i have to go init 3 BUT HOW?
[09:54] <egon_> can noone helpme?
[09:54] <Tyro> vzduch, what do you mean by "customary"
[09:57] <vzduch> Tyro: most KDE distros I used before (Mandrake, Mepis, Kanotix, SUSE) had 4 virtual desktops by default
[09:57] <egon_> i want to install my VGA Driver for Nvidia 7300 go can soone help me?
[09:57] <Tyro> ok
[09:57] <Tyro> why do you need 4?
[09:58] <Tyro> i've only eve needed 1
[09:58] <Tyro> haha
[09:58] <Tyro> 2 sounds handy
[09:58] <vzduch> egon_: it says 'init 3' because most distros start in runlevel 5 by default, and runlevel 3 is different in that it doesn't start the X server automatically.. in *buntu the default runlevel is 2 and runlevels 2 to 5 are the same
[09:58] <vzduch> egon_: so you need to stop the X server  sudo /etc/init.d/kdm stop
[09:58] <bionic> 1 is the go
[09:58] <egon_> and then
[09:59] <vzduch> then run the script
[09:59] <codex> hello, i have a question, can you 'Create a new virtual machine' in vmplayer ?
[09:59] <egon_> ahhh ok i try thx :)
[09:59] <vzduch> when you're done you need to reboot
[09:59] <Tyro> does kubuntu come standard with several themes
[09:59] <Tyro> ?
[09:59] <Tyro> or just one
[10:00] <codex> or can anyone point me to a tutorial where i could learn how to use vmplayer ?
[10:04] <Tyro> vzduch does kubuntu have more than one theme as default
[10:05] <vzduch> I'm not too much into themes, but there are a handful.. it's always possible to add themes
[10:05] <Tyro> yeha, i know that
[10:05] <vzduch> !themes
[10:05] <ubotu> Find your themes at: http://www.gnome-look.org - http://art.gnome.org - http://www.kde-look.org - http://themes.freshmeat.net/browse/58/ - http://www.guistyles.com - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/ - Also see !changethemes and https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuEyeCandy
[10:05] <Tyro> cool, so there are a few
[10:05] <Tyro> yeah, i've seen those
[10:06] <Tyro> what do you mean your not into themes
[10:06] <vzduch> I customized the default theme a little bit, and that's it :)
[10:06] <Tyro> ok
[10:07] <Tyro> 95% deownlaod of Kubuntu Cd
[10:07] <Tyro> what's the default look leik
[10:07] <egon_> ok that will work ut when i accept the EULA he said he cant find a kernel -.-
[10:08] <egon_> my Kernel is the 2.6.22.9
[10:08] <egon_> my Kernel is the 2.6.22-9
[10:08] <vzduch> sounds like Gutsy
[10:08] <vzduch> !gutsy | egon_
[10:08] <ubotu> egon_: Gutsy Gibbon is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (7.10) | (due October 2007) | It is development software, as such unstable, support _only_ in #ubuntu+1
[10:10] <egon_> yes i know
[10:11] <egon_> cant i install the driver with this kernel? OO
[10:11] <vzduch> as a hint: did you install linux-source and linux-headers?
[10:13] <egon_> ahhh the source kernel was not istalled
[10:14] <ss> Hi folks I am using kubuntu 7.04 want to configure socks proxy settings in KDE but not know where to provide these settings i.e. 172.16.18.1:1080 It was simple in Windows and gnome but KDE is irritating me pllz help
[10:14] <Tyro> what's a CD called for Ubuntu when you run it straight of the CD and don't install it
[10:14] <Tyro> i've forgotten the term
[10:15] <Tyro> Live CD
[10:15] <Tyro> that's the one
[10:15] <bionic> does anyone know any good linux games
[10:15] <bionic> a iso
[10:16] <bionic> live cd
[10:16] <pingbat> ok guys, how do i add fluxbox to my kubuntu install???
[10:16] <Tyro> sure
[10:16] <pingbat> or should i go to #fluxbox
[10:17] <Tyro> plenty of freeware
[10:17] <Tyro> i have a website for windows freeware, most should have a linux intaller
[10:17] <vzduch> pingbat: 'sudo apt-get install fluxbox'?
[10:17] <Tyro> Http://grandfiles.com
[10:17] <Tyro> try it
[10:17] <pingbat> really?!
[10:17] <pingbat> which repo is it in?
[10:17] <ss> it seems nothing for me here
[10:18] <ss> ok thnx folks
[10:18] <vzduch> Tyro: you don't need Linux installers for most software, the repo has 16,000+ pkgs
[10:18] <pingbat> is it official?
[10:18] <vzduch> *the repos have
[10:18] <Tyro> repo?
[10:18] <pingbat> repository
[10:18] <vzduch> !repos | Tyro
[10:18] <ubotu> Tyro: The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[10:18] <Tyro> ok?
[10:19] <Tyro> i don't understand, but still
[10:19] <Tyro> i'm gonna make a Live Cd now
[10:19] <vzduch> Tyro: where do you think the apt-get command or Adept Manager get the software from?
[10:19] <vzduch> Tyro: you mean burn..
[10:19] <vzduch> or were you about to roll your own?
[10:20] <Tyro> yes i do
[10:20] <Tyro> i meant burn
[10:20] <egon_> lol after i try it agian the driver told me : " No precomplied kernel interface was found to match your kernel " -.-
[10:21] <egon_> wath doesn this mean?
[10:21] <vzduch> it means what it says
[10:22] <vzduch> that's what you need the kernel source for.. if there is no prebuilt module for your kernel the installer will (try to) build one
[10:23] <egon_> i have installed the kernel source
[10:25] <egon_> no idea?
[10:39] <Tyro> has anyone used DVD Decrypter for burning a Live CD
[10:40] <trekdanne> egon_: any progress?
[10:40] <egon_> when i want to install my VGA Driver for Nvidia 7300 go it told me : No Precompiled kernel interface was found to match your kernel
[10:40] <egon_> no -.-
[10:41] <pag> egon_, are you installing from repos or the nvidia site?
[10:41] <egon_> nvidia site ... the drivers from repo wont support my card
[10:42] <egon_> i have open a trade on a forum may they can help
[10:42] <adrienne> i thinking about doing virtualization, can anyone tell me what option are there for me to try ?
[10:43] <trekdanne> virtualization = Virtual Private Server ??
[10:44] <adrienne> yes Virtual Private Server
[10:45] <trekdanne> hmm have not played with that for years
[10:46] <adrienne> i heard about xen, is it any good
[10:47] <adrienne> i have a intel dual-core processor 1.8 and 1G memory
[10:48] <trekdanne> hmm xen, heard about it but never tried it unfortunately
[10:49] <adrienne> ok thanks
[10:51] <trekdanne> if IRCC there is/was some scary kernel patches for VPS
[10:52] <trekdanne> but maybe that's not what you have in mind
[10:53] <adrienne> no
[10:54] <Tyro> hey, i just burned a live CD for kubuntu, and when i try to run or install it. It sais that TTy is turned off
[10:55] <Tyro> what is tty?
[10:55] <trekdanne> hmm Bochs is kinda cool, but not as fast as VMware, naturally
[10:56] <Tyro> Help PLz
[10:56] <AgreSor> Hello, is there any app who allows to make video of your desktop.. like screenshot .. but just that can make video not picture of desktop.. any know that... ?
[10:56] <trekdanne> Tyro: it is short form for "teletypewriter", however I don't know if that's to any help to you
[10:57] <Tyro> i don't think the definition is that help full no
[10:57] <Tyro> but if you know how to fix it that would help
[10:57] <bionic> why do they call them 56k modems
[10:57] <bionic> when they dont download at 56k
[10:57] <AgreSor> Hello, is there any app who allows to make video of your desktop.. like screenshot .. but just that can make video not picture of desktop.. any know that... ?
[10:58] <[tUd] Pensacola> AgreSor: istanbul might do the job
[10:59] <AgreSor> thank you verry mutch
[10:59] <vzduch> egon_: if that announcement is the only problem you have, then you don't have a problem
[11:00] <Tyro> hey vzdutch
[11:00] <trekdanne> Tyro: you think you could tell us some more of the output
[11:00] <Tyro> do you know anything about tty being tuned off vzduch
[11:00] <Tyro> what do you mean bu output
[11:01] <Tyro> sry about all the typo's
[11:01] <egon_> vzduch_: wath do you mean now?
[11:01] <Tyro> trekdanne, what do you mean by output
[11:01] <trekdanne> don't worry. Where do you get the error message. In the console?
[11:02] <Tyro> ii'll tell you what happens
[11:02] <trekdanne> yes please do
[11:02] <vzduch> egon_: I told you, it means what it says
[11:03] <vzduch> the installer checked w/ the archives at nvidia.com and found no kernel module it could download that would run on your kernel
[11:03] <Tyro> i get to the Kubunty screen, and select "start or install kubuntu" it then loads up a few things over the top of the screen. a few seconds later it goes to a black screen that sais something like "access denied tty is turned off"
[11:04] <egon_> yes but wath i have to do now?
[11:04] <trekdanne> Tyro: have you tried scanning the CD for errors?
[11:04] <Tyro> it gives the ssame message
[11:05] <Tyro> tty is turned off
[11:05] <egon_> vzduch: wath i have to do now?
[11:05] <vzduch> continue
[11:05] <Tyro> i tired "check cd for defects"
[11:05] <egon_> lol
[11:05] <Tyro> and got the same message
[11:05] <vzduch> Tyro: if you tired, you better go to bed :D
[11:06] <egon_> wehen i said download it he hold me taht he cant download and the install cancel
[11:06] <Tyro> na, it's only 7:06Pm
[11:06] <egon_> he cant found a kernel on the server
[11:06] <Tyro> tried*
[11:06] <Tyro> any ideas fellows
[11:07] <vzduch> never heard of the installer aborting on download error.. normally it would continue and try to build a module
[11:07] <trekdanne> Tyro: what hardware do you have?
[11:07] <Tyro> so any idea how to turn tty on
[11:07] <Tyro> what do you want to know
[11:08] <egon_> he said he cant find a kernel on the nvidia server
[11:08] <Tyro> HDD and CPU, RAM?
[11:08] <Tyro> specific
[11:08] <vzduch> Tyro: did you check the MD5 sum before burning
[11:08] <vzduch> ?
[11:08] <Tyro> ehhh, MD5?
[11:09] <Tyro> what is MD5
[11:09] <trekdanne> Tyro: is a way to check the downloaded file for defects
[11:09] <Tyro> how do i do that>
[11:09] <Tyro> ?
[11:09] <server_> hi any one now how to setup domain on kubuntu
[11:10] <egon_> vzduch: Wath i have to do now??
[11:10] <trekdanne> what os are you using to burn the CD?
[11:10] <Tyro> Windows Xp
[11:10] <Tyro> i burned it on to a  DVD does that mean anythig?
[11:11] <trekdanne> probably, no
[11:11] <server_> you burning the iso of ubuntu
[11:11] <Tyro> Kubuntu
[11:11] <egon_> VZDUCH??????????????????????????????????????????
[11:11] <server_> mine working fine i burned it whit nero
[11:11] <Tyro> i could try nero, is it free?
[11:12] <trekdanne> hmm
[11:12] <trekdanne> it doesnt matter if your download is corrupt though
[11:12] <vzduch> Tyro: install md5sum (search for it on the 'net, there is a Winblows binary), open a command prompt, go to the dir where you saved the ISO, from there run 'md5sum kubuntu(whatever).iso'.. if the 32-digit number that comes up matches the one on the server (there is a .md5 file for the iso or a text file named MD5SUMS), it downloaded w/o errors
[11:12] <server_> nero not free but you can download it of torrents
[11:12] <egon_> wath do i have to do now?
[11:12] <egon_> helo
[11:13] <egon_> help
[11:13] <pag> !patience | egon_
[11:13] <ubotu> egon_: The people here are volunteers, your attitude may determine how fast you are helped.  Not everyone is available all the time, likewise not every answer is available instantly. See also http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines
[11:13] <Tyro> i get md5sum, open it and it closes straight away
[11:13] <pag> egon_, which kernel are you using?  ( uname -r )
[11:14] <egon_> 2.6.22-9
[11:14] <pag> umm dapper?
[11:14] <egon_> no
[11:14] <Tyro> do i have to put it in a certain dir
[11:14] <egon_> gutsy
[11:14] <trekdanne> Tyro: you need to run it from the console (it's a console app)
[11:15] <Tyro> man
[11:15] <pag> egon_, try if  sudo apt-get install nvidia-kernel-$(uname -r)   do any good
[11:15] <Tyro> i wish i know how to do this stuff
[11:15] <trekdanne> Start->Run "cmd"
[11:16] <server_> does any one noes to setup a domain server on kubuntu
[11:16] <trekdanne> then type "cd <dir where you got md5sum and the kubuntu iso-file>"
[11:18] <Tyro> i have them on my desktop
[11:19] <trekdanne> make a folder "kubuntu"
[11:19] <Tyro> ok
[11:19] <trekdanne> and put md5sum.exe and the iso there
[11:19] <Tyro> yeah
[11:19] <trekdanne> ok then enter in the console window:
[11:20] <Tyro> yes
[11:20] <trekdanne> cd "C:\Document and Settings\Your Username\Desktop\Kubuntu"
[11:21] <trekdanne> did you get any error message?
[11:22] <laervian> hi everyone
[11:22] <Tyro> well it said that documents wasn't a recognized something, let me try again
[11:22] <laervian> the new nvidia driver will not unload, preventing my laptop from going into suspend
[11:22] <laervian> does anyone know of a solution?
[11:23] <trekdanne> Tyro: you can rightclick on the folder and paste the path to the directory also. maybe that's a better way
[11:24] <Tyro> 'C:\Documents' is not recognized as an internal or external command,
[11:24] <Tyro> operable program or batch file.
[11:24] <Tyro> that's all i get
[11:24] <vzduch> Tyro: path w/ blanks  set it in ""
[11:25] <Tyro> '"C:\Documents and Settings\ARNHEM\Desktop\kubuntu"' is not recognized as an int
[11:25] <Tyro> ernal or external command,
[11:25] <Tyro> operable program or batch file.
[11:25] <vzduch> and as the cmd prompt usually opens up in My Documents, it should suffice to 'cd Desktop'
[11:26] <vzduch> the 'kubuntu' part is too much if you didn't create a directory
[11:26] <Tyro> i have a folder called kubuntu on my desktop
[11:26] <trekdanne> vzduck: are you sure?  i'm kinda windows-n00b
[11:27] <trekdanne> ah
[11:27] <trekdanne> i think you forgot the cd
[11:27] <trekdanne> cd "C:\Documents and Settings\ARNHEM\Desktop\kubuntu"
[11:28] <vzduch> trekdanne: I am a convert, my Winblows knowledge is profound enough for something like this ;)
[11:28] <vzduch> even though I don't use Win any more at home
[11:29] <Tyro> ok now my thing is in the directory
[11:29] <trekdanne> ok good
[11:29] <Tyro> looks like this "C:\Documents and Settings\ARNHEM\Desktop\kubuntu>"
[11:29] <trekdanne> now type: md5sum *.iso
[11:30] <Tyro> space between the same of the iso?
[11:30] <vzduch> ?
[11:30] <Tyro> something is happening
[11:31] <trekdanne> hmm, it should take a few moments
[11:31] <Tyro> there we go
[11:31] <Tyro> 1ad3c003dbcbe27b3265da23b886d047 *kubuntu-7.04-desktop-i386.iso
[11:31] <Tyro> what do i do with this
[11:31] <vzduch> compare w/ the one on the server you downloaded the iso from
[11:32] <egon_> it suck! i have install Nvidia-new-kernel-source and Nvidia-kernel-common and it wont work -.-
[11:32] <Tyro> here? http://www.kubuntu.org/download.php
[11:32] <vzduch> egon_: you're using beta software, so don't expect things to work flawlessly
[11:33] <egon_> i know but the kernel is stabel and the driver to so it have to work!!!
[11:33] <Tyro> where does it say http://ubuntu-releases.optus.net/kubuntu/feisty/
[11:33] <egon_> too
[11:33] <vzduch> 1ad3c003dbcbe27b3265da23b886d047  /media/storage1/software/no-budget/Linux-ISO/Ubuntu/kubuntu-7.04-desktop-i386.iso
[11:34] <Tyro> what?
[11:34] <vzduch> that's the MD5 of my local Kubuntu iso
[11:34] <Tyro> ok
[11:34] <vzduch> which is known to work
[11:34] <Tyro> i'll compare
[11:35] <Tyro> the same
[11:35] <Tyro> apart from that long bit afterwards
[11:35] <vzduch> so it's not a faulty download
[11:35] <Tyro> ok
[11:36] <Tyro> that's a relief
[11:36] <Tyro> 700mb is quite a download
[11:36] <vzduch> well.. it's a 16-minute wait here
[11:36] <Tyro> takes 16 minutes to download for you?
[11:36] <vzduch> yep
[11:36] <Tyro> ha, mine took like 5 hours
[11:37] <bionic> mine only took 20
[11:37] <Tyro> haha
[11:37] <bionic> minutes
[11:37] <Tyro> i'm only on 512KB/s
[11:37] <vzduch> and if I were still at university I could get it in like 70 seconds
[11:37] <bionic> should take your 5 hours
[11:37] <trekdanne> however the burning-process may have failed, right vzduch?
[11:37] <Tyro> so try nero?
[11:37] <vzduch> trekdanne: it may, yes
[11:38] <Tyro> anyone got a hyperlink
[11:39] <bionic> how do i know if my nvidia drivers are working for my gforce 6600 GT
[11:39] <trekdanne> http://thepiratebay.org lol
[11:40] <vzduch> rofl
[11:40] <Tyro> really?
[11:40] <Tyro> don't reckon
[11:40] <Tyro> what do you guys use
[11:40] <bionic> www.torrentspy.com
[11:40] <vzduch> on Winblows I don't have a CD burning application
[11:41] <Tyro> well, what could i use on windows
[11:41] <pag> !piracy
[11:41] <Tyro> surely someone has used something
[11:41] <ubotu> piracy discussion and other questionably legal practices are not welcome in the Ubuntu channels. Please take this discussion elsewhere or abstain from it altogether. This includes linking to pirated software, music and video. Also see !guidelines and !o4o
[11:41] <vzduch> cdburnerxp
[11:41] <pag> bionic, I have 6600 (not sure if it's GT) and drivers work just fine :)
[11:42] <Tyro> ha, i haave that software on my website
[11:42] <trekdanne> 0_o don't ban me please
[11:42] <vzduch> pag: that was a joke
[11:42] <egon_> pag: it wont work how can i test if i have install the source?
[11:42] <Tyro> i doubt he will
[11:43] <pag> egon_, apt-cache policy package
[11:43] <egon_> pag: and the code to tipp it in the konsole?
[11:43] <Tyro> ok i'm getting CDBurnXP which is totally legal and free right now
[11:44] <pag> egon_, apt-cache policy nvidia-kernel-$(uname -r)  maybe?
[11:44] <trekdanne> bionic: you mean something like "glxinfo | grep rendering" to check if X has loaded the right driver?
[11:44] <Tyro> 1 minute remaining
[11:45] <egon_> pag: cant finde nvidia-kernel-2.6.22-9
[11:45] <egon_> pag: so wath i have to install
[11:45] <egon_> pag: cant finde nvidia-kernel-2.6.22-9-generic
[11:46] <bionic> where do i get glxinfo from
[11:46] <Tyro> has anyone ever used launchy on winblows
[11:46] <trekdanne> bionic: type it in the console
[11:46] <Tyro> it's cool
[11:47] <pag> egon_, different kernel :-/  looks like there's no packages for thet kernel version... I'd suggest you ask in #ubuntu+1  they should know something about gutsy
[11:49] <kaminix2> Any ideas as to why SKIM won't work with QT4 apps?
[11:50] <trekdanne> bionic: if it says "direct rendering: Yes" it should work fine
[11:51] <Tyro> is it normal to get an error when you try to burn
[11:51] <pag> Tyro, no?
[11:51] <Kamijo> I'm running gutsy on my new dell D830 and it works fine...
[11:52] <trekdanne> however the mindset of windows programmers have never been fully understood
[11:53] <Tyro> Writing Errer: (3) Error growing last DVD session. The Table Of Content is unrecoverable (1037) Error Sense Data: SENSE KEY: 3 ASC: 57 ASCq: 0
[11:54] <Tyro> any clues?
[11:54] <fwaokda> im getting this error and am wondering if anyone can help... http://pastebin.com/m18945558
[11:55] <x89x> can anyone help me ? i have problems with desltop effects
[11:55] <yonahw-work> i am new to linux, been using centos and would like to mirgrate to kubuntu. can anyone point me to info on what is entailed?
[11:56] <Tyro> Ok i think i might be able to get it working
[11:56] <Kamijo> yonahw; what computer do you have? Is it a realy new one?
[11:56] <Tyro> i'm usinga  normal CD R
[11:56] <yonahw-work> Kamijo: its pretty new
[11:56] <pag> fwaokda, if the ps3-kboot isn't importat, I'd suggest you remove it  ( sudo dpkg -r ps3-kboot )
[11:56] <pag> x89x, #ubuntu-effects might be a better place to seek help
[11:57] <yonahw-work> Kamijo: about 6 months old
[11:57] <Kamijo> oki... I just got me a Dell D830 and hade a realy hard time to make Kubuntu work on it.
[11:57] <x89x> pag : i get an error saying Desktop effects cannot be enabled
[11:57] <yonahw-work> Kamijo: why was it so hard?
[11:57] <bionic> so why do you guys prefer kubuntu over ubuntu
[11:58] <Kamijo> yonahw: some of the drivers needed was not found in ubuntu 7.04
[11:58] <pag> x89x, sorry, I don't know anything about those. You should really try asking in #ubuntu-effects
[11:58] <x89x> noone replies there pag
[11:58] <x89x> is there a channel for open chrome pag ?
[11:58] <pag> bionic, because of KDE - it's pretty much the only difference :)
[11:58] <Dragnslcr> bionic- considering the only difference is the desktop environment that's enabled by default, I would guess it's because people like KDE more than Gnome
[11:59] <bionic> oh yeah thats why i download it
[11:59] <bionic> someone told me Gnome is crap
[11:59] <pag> x89x, I have no idea. sorry.
[11:59] <bionic> ahah that reminds me
[11:59] <bionic> whats wrong with gnome
[11:59] <kaminix2> bionic: It's not crap. Neither KDE nor Gnome is crap. In
[11:59] <Kamijo> yonahw: Im the kind of guy who doesn't like to compile stuff. I perfere precompiled packages. It makes the system easier to keep updated
[11:59] <Tyro> i'll see if i can get kubuntu to work now
[11:59] <Tyro> BBS
[11:59] <Dragnslcr> Whoever told you Gnome is crap probably doesn't know much about it
[12:00] <kaminix2> bionic: It's a matter of preference.
[12:00] <bionic> said that couldnt stand it
[12:00] <Dragnslcr> What he said
[12:00] <yonahw-work> Kamijo: i dont mind compiling and am fairly confident i can get kubuntu up and running with proper drivers
[12:00] <x89x> how do i install 3d openchrome drivers anyone !
[12:00] <yonahw-work> Kamijo: what I am really trying to find out if i can avoid reformatting and can just say uninstall centos and install kubuntu
[12:00] <bionic> they need to automate linux is a bit better
[12:00] <yonahw-work> Kamijo: or whatever the "best" way to do it would be
[12:01] <Kamijo> yonahw: well that might be harder. I'd reformat if I w
[12:01] <Kamijo> were about to change dist
[12:01] <kaminix2> bionic: It's already more automated than Windows in many aspects, imo.
[12:01] <bionic> why do so many come in here with problems setting it up then
[12:01] <Dragnslcr> Linux doesn't need to be automated better, companies need to start supporting it
[12:02] <bionic> and sometimes u have to manually mount drives
[12:02] <fwaokda> is there a good site to learn about changing/customizing my desktop look?
[12:02] <trekdanne> that's more of a design question
[12:02] <Dragnslcr> Broadcom is probably the source of over 50% of the hardware issues in Linux
[12:02] <Kamijo> yonahw: it then depends on how you have partioned your drives
[12:02] <bionic> fwaokda: www.meatspin.com
[12:02] <fwaokda> right...
[12:02] <bionic> what ?
[12:03] <yonahw-work> Kamijo: how so?
[12:03] <fwaokda> idk if you like the site thats fine with me.... homo.
[12:03] <Kamijo> I always use /home for a separate partion so I may save my own stuff and can reformat / without loosing any important
[12:03] <kaminix2> bionic: I said in some aspects. And as trekdanne, much of the so called problems is a matter of system design. Also, do not pretend people sitting with Windows do not have problems at times....
[12:03] <yonahw-work> Kamijo: hmm never thought of doing that
[12:04] <yonahw-work> Kamijo: i guess when it comes down to it, would not be that difficult to backup and reformat the partition centos is on
[12:04] <yonahw-work> Kamijo: i was just kind of hoping to avoid that
[12:04] <Kamijo> yonahw-work: It sometimes saves you a lot of time because you'll have all you personal settings left on your homefolder
[12:04] <x89x> can anyone tell me what sudo modprobe via
[12:04] <x89x> Run depmod
[12:04] <x89x> sudo depmod -ae
[12:05] <x89x> means ?
[12:05] <Kamijo> yonahw-work: I think it's better to install on clean partions...
[12:05] <Hobbsee> x89x: man modprobe
[12:05] <yonahw-work> Kamijo: you have me convinced, thanks for the help
[12:05] <kaminix2> "X11 error: BadAlloc (insufficient resources for operation)  9.3% 75 0" <--- mplayer on a HD movie file. Any ideas how I can tweak it or something to use less resources? Maybe pre-process it on some way?
[12:05] <x89x> but it give no output hobbsee
[12:05] <x89x> in the terminal
[12:05] <Kamijo> yonahw-work: I'm glad to be able to help you
[12:05] <Hobbsee> x89x: does here....
[12:06] <x89x> what output does it give hobbsee ?
[12:06] <Hobbsee> x89x: that's not supposed to give output.  it only gives an output if it's an error
[12:07] <x89x> ok
[12:07] <Tyro> ok i'm back
[12:07] <Tyro> it didn't work
[12:09] <x89x> Hobbsee : how do i test if my 3D acclerator is working ?
[12:09] <trekdanne> Tyro: same error?
[12:09] <trekdanne> x89x: "glxinfo | grep rendering"
[12:09] <Tyro> no, i think i know what the problem is now
[12:10] <Tyro> i accidentally made it a non bootable disk
[12:10] <Tyro> so i have to try again
[12:10] <Tyro> what emul;ation type should i use trekdanne
[12:10] <Tyro> emulation*
[12:10] <trekdanne> Tyro: emulation?
[12:11] <Tyro> it's an option in CDBurnerXP
[12:11] <trekdanne> hmm actually I have no idea
[12:11] <Tyro> no emulation?
[12:11] <x89x> trekdanne : it says direct rendering: Yes but the screen stricks like hell !
[12:12] <trekdanne> however I never heard of making non-bootable CDs
[12:12] <pag> !changethemes | fwaokda
[12:12] <ubotu> fwaokda: To change your themes, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuEyeCandy.  Kubuntu users should visit https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CustomizeKubuntu.
[12:12] <fwaokda> thanks
[12:12] <Tyro> it was default
[12:12] <server_> re download kubuntu iso from www.ubuntu.com
[12:12] <x89x> trekdanne : only for a second but
[12:12] <Tyro> i had to set it as bootable
[12:12] <fwaokda> when i type su and put in the only password i've given the machine it says auth failure
[12:12] <x89x> trekdanne : i cant even view a screen saver !
[12:12] <pag> !root | fwaokda
[12:12] <ubotu> fwaokda: do not try to guess the root password, that is impossible. Instead, realise the truth.. there is no root password. Then you will see that it is sudo that grants you access and not the root password. Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo
[12:12] <Tyro> i don't need to re download
[12:13] <trekdanne> x89x: hmm some problem with your resolution
[12:13] <trekdanne> yea Tyro is right, his md5sum checks out fine
[12:13] <x89x> 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. Unknown device 3230 (rev 01)
[12:14] <Tyro> my burn is allmost complete
[12:14] <Tyro> i'll come back in a few minutes once it is
[12:14] <trekdanne> ok
[12:14] <bionic> what does that rending command do ?
[12:14] <Tyro> stay right where you are
[12:15] <x89x> trekdanne : whats the problem ? my drivers ?
[12:15] <trekdanne> x89x: hmm i'm unsure maybe your drivers
[12:15] <x89x> trekdanne : https://help.ubuntu.com/community/OpenChrome
[12:15] <x89x> i followed that
[12:16] <server_> Does any one noes how to setup a domain logging server for ubuntu
[12:17] <Cannoli> hey guys
[12:17] <Kamijo> any one here who runs Gutsy here? I have problems with OpenOffice. When I tries to start it the only things that happens is that the splash screen shows up. Nothing else :(
[12:17] <kaminix2> Kamijo: #ubuntu+1 ?
[12:17] <pag> Kamijo, try #ubuntu+1
[12:18] <trekdanne> x89x: im unfortunately totally unfamilar with anything except nvidias drivers :(
[12:18] <pag> hello Cannoli :)
[12:18] <bionic> hey tekdanne
[12:18] <Kamijo> Thanks
[12:18] <bionic> i got a gforce 6600 GT what package do i have to download
[12:18] <x89x> trekdanne : ok. thanks for teying to help :)
[12:18] <Cannoli> im installing kubuntu (first time using linux giggidy) and while its installing, i wanna play some music
[12:18] <Cannoli> but i cant find my .mp3 fiels
[12:18] <Cannoli> files*
[12:18] <trekdanne> bionic: nvidia-glx should do it i think
[12:18] <Cannoli> they were on my D: drive
[12:19] <x89x> trekdanne : maybe someonle else will come up. btw, i'm trying since almost a weel !
[12:19] <Riddell> Kamijo: it's a known problem, you can get round it by downgrading gtk, or using koffice
[12:19] <Cannoli> but i dont know how to access that
[12:19] <pag> Cannoli, two reasons: a) harddrives aren't mounted in installation (they will be as soon as you reboot to your installation)  b) no mp3codecs by default
[12:20] <Cannoli> ic
[12:20] <Cannoli> now how can i find that folder in general
[12:20] <ksivaji> how to run a php script  do i need separate interpreter for this?
[12:20] <Cannoli> like in windows id use like my compuyer
[12:20] <Cannoli> is there anything like that in kubuntu?
[12:20] <bionic> trekdanne thats what i downloaded
[12:20] <ubuntu_> guys, i almost died here trying to install BERYL on feisty. i installed the nvidia-glx, beryl-manager, emerald-themes. what i still need to do?
[12:20] <trekdanne> ksivaji: yes php.
[12:20] <bionic> my fresh rate is rooted
[12:20] <bionic> laggy
[12:21] <bionic> but i do have a lcd
[12:21] <Tyro> gonna try one more burn, this tie it said could not find DOS
[12:21] <pag> Cannoli, drives aren't mounted (and shouldn't be) so though it is possible I woudn't advice you to mount them
[12:21] <bionic> and make it slow as possible Tyro
[12:21] <Tyro> could have told me that ages ago
[12:21] <bionic> 2x burn
[12:21] <Tyro> how slow is slow
[12:21] <trekdanne> bionic: i'm sorry. but what was your problem again, there's a lot of flood here right now
[12:21] <Tyro> OMG
[12:21] <bionic> slowest iso burns better
[12:21] <Tyro> i set it to max
[12:21] <Cannoli> pag alright so after installation it will all be good?
[12:21] <bionic> my gfx
[12:22] <bionic> i download the one u said
[12:22] <bionic> and still no good
[12:22] <bionic> laggy as hell
[12:22] <trekdanne> bionic: try to run nvidia-settings
[12:22] <pag> Cannoli, you will need the drivers (pretty trivial thing to install) and then you can enjoy your music :)
[12:22] <Dragnslcr> ksivaji- if you're running a PHP script from a shell (instead of through Apache) you also need php5-cli
[12:22] <Tyro> i'll try this one, then i'll try slowest
[12:22] <bionic> trekdanne do u have to download that ?
[12:22] <Cannoli> ic
[12:22] <Cannoli> but lets just say i want to access my D: drive in general
[12:22] <Cannoli> do i still need drivers for that?
[12:23] <trekdanne> bionic: i think it comes with nvidia-glx, test to type it in a console
[12:23] <Tyro> I can set to X1 if it's better?
[12:23] <bionic> what do i have to put in console
[12:23] <bionic> whats the command
[12:23] <trekdanne> nvidia-settings
[12:23] <bionic> slower the better with iso's ive read
[12:23] <Dragnslcr> Cannoli- read access to NTFS drives is built in. Write access requires ntfs-3g
[12:23] <pag> Cannoli, if you only want to read it, then it'll be done automatically - if you want also to write, I'll be happy to give you instructions as soon as your installation is done :)
[12:24] <Tyro> ok i think i'll get this one working
[12:24] <Cannoli> k perfect :)
[12:24] <bionic> tekdanne it came up
[12:24] <Kamijo> Ridell: Thanks! I'm using Koffice at the moment. But I'm having problems with some M$ word-documents. So I thought that OO could handle the formating a little bit better than Koffice.
[12:24] <trekdanne> bionic: or what did you get "Direct rendering: Yes"?
[12:24] <bionic> but it said alot of stuff about not finding stuff
[12:24] <bionic> RROR: NV-CONTROL extension not found on this Display.
[12:24] <bionic> ERROR: Unable to determine number of NVIDIA GPUs on ':0.0'.
[12:24] <Cannoli> now heres the thing, i am going to install linux on 100 gb of the 250gb drive (my D: drive), will i still be able to read and write to the other 150. gbs?
[12:25] <bionic> ERROR: Unable to determine number of NVIDIA Frame Lock Devices on ':0.0'.
[12:25] <bionic> ERROR: Unable to determine number of NVIDIA VCSCs on ':0.0'.
[12:25] <trekdanne> hmm sorry my bad
[12:25] <bionic> X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 154
[12:25] <bionic>   Major opcode:  143
[12:25] <bionic>   Minor opcode:  3
[12:25] <bionic>   Resource id:  0x0
[12:25] <trekdanne> try "nvidia-xconfig"
[12:25] <bionic> Failed to open device
[12:25] <bionic> X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 154
[12:25] <bionic>   Major opcode:  143
[12:25] <bionic>   Minor opcode:  3
[12:25] <bionic>   Resource id:  0x0
[12:25] <bionic> Failed to open device
[12:25] <trekdanne> ahh flood
[12:25] <x89x> can i install mandriva unichrome drivers on ubuntu ?
[12:25] <pag> Cannoli, as said: read acces by default, write acces available pretty easily
[12:25] <pag> !paste | bionic
[12:26] <ubotu> bionic: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[12:26] <pag> !baddevice | bionic
[12:26] <ubotu> bionic: If you are receiving an error similar to "X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 168", it can be safely ignored. If you want to get rid of the error messages then please visit this page: http://seerofsouls.com/wiki/How-Tos/BadDeviceErrors
[12:26] <bionic> ERROR: Unable to write to directory '/etc/X11'.
[12:26] <Cannoli> so even though its partitioned, i'll still be able to access it. perfect
[12:26] <Cannoli> :)
[12:26] <trekdanne> bionic: sudo nvidia-xconfig
[12:26] <trekdanne> sorry
[12:26] <Cannoli> cant wait for install to finish. its stuck at 46% on starting up the partitioner -_-
[12:27] <bionic> Using X configuration file: "/etc/X11/xorg.conf".
[12:27] <bionic> Backed up file '/etc/X11/xorg.conf' as '/etc/X11/xorg.conf.backup'
[12:27] <bionic> New X configuration file written to '/etc/X11/xorg.conf'
[12:27] <Cannoli> .exe files arent accepted by linux are they?
[12:27] <bionic> Cannoli: you can get emulators
[12:27] <x89x> can i install mandriva unichrome drivers on ubuntu ?
[12:27] <Cannoli> haha sweet
[12:27] <Cannoli> im loving linux already
[12:28] <bionic> so whats the problem trekdanne
[12:28] <Cannoli> u can do windows things without having to deal with windows
[12:28] <Cannoli> soo awesome
[12:28] <pag> Cannoli, http://appdb.winehq.org
[12:28] <MementoMori> hi all
[12:28] <pag> Cannoli, that page tells what will and what won't work (of Windows programms I mean)
[12:29] <pag> hello MementoMori :)
[12:29] <keisangi> hi there
[12:29] <MementoMori> what are the differences between foo and foo-transitional packages?
[12:29] <pag> !hi | keisangi
[12:30] <ubotu> keisangi: Hi! Welcome to #kubuntu!
[12:30] <Cannoli> but all it mentions there are games :S
[12:30] <x89x> can i install mandriva unichrome drivers on ubuntu ?
[12:30] <keisangi> i was wonder if it's possible to configure kde so if i double click on the desktop root window an action is triggered .. such as starting a new dolphin process for exemple ..
[12:30] <Cannoli> when i get wine, cant i just load any windows app?
[12:30] <pag> Cannoli, there's search field
[12:31] <Cannoli> oh true
[12:31] <Cannoli> ...can programs freeze in linux?
[12:31] <bionic> with wine yes hahah
[12:32] <Cannoli> lmao
[12:32] <Cannoli> and without wine?
[12:32] <pag> Cannoli, of course they can - it just doesn't happen as often as in Windows
[12:32] <Cannoli> ah ic
[12:32] <x89x> can i install mandriva unichrome drivers on ubuntu ?
[12:32] <Cannoli> and ctrl+alt+del software is available?
[12:32] <pag> !repeat | x89x
[12:32] <ubotu> x89x: Don't feel ignored and repeat your question quickly; if nobody knows your answer, nobody will answer you. You can search https://help.ubuntu.com or http://wiki.ubuntu.com while you wait. Also see !patience
[12:33] <Yorokobi> Cannoli, hit ctl+alt+esc
[12:33] <Cannoli> AHHH
[12:33] <Cannoli> wht happened
[12:33] <Yorokobi> that's not what I recall that key combo doing ...
[12:33] <Yorokobi> Cannoli, forget I suggested that
[12:33] <Cannoli> i kliked the little tool bar on the bottom
[12:33] <Cannoli> and it closed
[12:34] <Cannoli> :(
[12:34] <pag> Cannoli, alt+f2 and type: kicker
[12:34] <Cannoli> yay thanx
[12:34] <Cannoli> :)
[12:34] <Cannoli> haha im an idiot
[12:34] <Cannoli> i could have hit esc when it showed the skull and crossbones
[12:34] <Cannoli> XD
[12:35] <Cannoli> :( my installation has been on 46% forever
[12:35] <trekdanne> bionic: does it work?
[12:35] <keisangi> Cannoli,  ctl+alt+esc trgger "xkill" ... it's a mean to kill a badly behaving program easily ..
[12:35] <Cannoli> srsly how long does it take to scan harddrives :(
[12:36] <pag> keisangi, it used to trigg KSysGuard iirc
[12:36] <Cannoli> keisangi haha ic and wht if the program is not on screen
[12:36] <Cannoli> ?
[12:36] <Yorokobi> That's what I get for hopping on IRC at 0430
[12:36] <JohnFlux> pag: that's ctrl+esc
[12:36] <pag> JohnFlux, oh.. true. sorry - my bad
[12:37] <keisangi> Cannoli, you open a term, type in "ps -A" to list all active process, and you choose the one you want to kill with "kill -9 process-number
[12:37] <keisangi> process number of the prog you want to kill
[12:37] <Cannoli> ah ic
[12:37] <Cannoli> thts pretty kool
[12:37] <Cannoli> omg 2 desktops!!!
[12:37] <trekdanne> killall(1) can be pretty handy too
[12:38] <Cannoli> *drools*
[12:38] <pag> Cannoli, 2? I have four :D
[12:38] <Cannoli> 0.0
[12:38] <Cannoli> hhawwwtt
[12:38] <ksivaji> pag i installed phpmyadmin using adept successful now i dont find it anywhere .how to run phpmyadmin
[12:39] <pag> ksivaji, isn't phpmyadmin websoftware? somehow through webbrowser is my guess :S
[12:39] <trekdanne> ksivaji, try http://localhost/phpmyadmin
[12:39] <Cannoli> so im asuming desktops can be split up on to different monitors?
[12:40] <pag> Cannoli, any error messages?
[12:41] <Cannoli> nope
[12:41] <Cannoli> its just scanning disks
[12:41] <Cannoli> and its been at 46 percent since i joined
[12:41] <Cannoli> oh one more question
[12:41] <Cannoli> after installation, will the changes i made now still be there
[12:41] <Cannoli> ?
[12:42] <Cannoli> cause im using the live cd right now right
[12:42] <pag> Cannoli, nope. that's why it's useless to customise your desktop now
[12:42] <bert1> hi...
[12:42] <pag> hello bert1 :)
[12:42] <trekdanne> !hi | bert1
[12:42] <ubotu> bert1: Hi! Welcome to #kubuntu!
[12:42] <bert1> does anyone have an intel GMS 945 GFX chip?
[12:43] <Cannoli> perfect
[12:43] <Cannoli> :)
[12:43] <vge> ksivaji: did u got it fixed?
[12:43] <ubuntu__> hello
[12:43] <ubuntu__> it's tyro
[12:43] <bert1> i just installed kubuntu on my advent lappy... it reconised my wifi... which was awesome...
[12:43] <ubuntu__> i got the iso disk to work
[12:43] <ksivaji> vge no
[12:43] <trekdanne> ubuntu__: congratz
[12:43] <bert1> didnt reconise my GFX chip... (or thinks its a i810)
[12:43] <ubuntu__> how do i change my name to Tyro
[12:43] <trekdanne>   /nick Tyro
[12:43] <pag> ubuntu__, /nick Tyro
[12:43] <vge> ksivaji: sec
[12:44] <ubuntu__> cool
[12:44] <Tyro> ok i'm thikning this Kubuntu stuff is sweet
[12:44] <Tyro> where is the browser
[12:44] <Cannoli> now do i need a sound driveer and video driver and all that after my install?
[12:44] <bert1> hello pag, trekdann =)
[12:44] <pag> Tyro, kmenu -> internet -> konqueror
[12:44] <trekdanne> konqueror, under internet in the K menu
[12:44] <Cannoli> and are those avail for linux?
[12:44] <Tyro> cool
[12:45] <Tyro> no firefox
[12:45] <trekdanne> Tyro: not per default
[12:45] <pag> Tyro, FF can be installed, but if you're on livecd, you shouldn't do it yet
[12:45] <bert1> can anyone get a res of 1280x800 in kubuntu??
[12:45] <x89x> how do i disable 3D acceleration ?
[12:45] <Cannoli> Prophezy haha no, i have 2 drives. 1.) xp pro, 60 gb. 2.) slave drive 250 gb
[12:46] <trekdanne> bert1: yes. it must be some troubles with your graphic card
[12:46] <pag> bert1, you might need 915resolution package
[12:49] <Cannoli> maybe i should set the installation to high priority?
[12:49] <bert1> trekdanne, pag my chip is a intel GMA945
[12:50] <bert1> i used fedora for a while and it worked perfect... i got 1280x800...
[12:50] <pag> bert1, I'm not familiar with intels, but..
[12:50] <bert1> but kubuntu simply wont allow anything otehr than 1024x768 :S
[12:50] <pag> !info 915resolution | bert1
[12:50] <ubotu> bert1: 915resolution: resolution modification tool for Intel graphic chipset. In component universe, is extra. Version 0.5.2-10ubuntu1 (feisty), package size 14 kB, installed size 124 kB (Only available for i386 amd64 kfreebsd-i386 kfreebsd-amd64)
[12:51] <pag> bert1, so I'd suggest installing that package
[12:51] <bert1> mmmm...
[12:51] <trekdanne> x89x: you would need to change your driver in /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[12:51] <bert1> is that not for the intel GMA 915??? (i have the GMA 945)
[12:51] <bert1> i am confussed as to why it worked in fedora and not kubuntu...
[12:52] <adrienne> hello i need help, adept package manager is lock it is saying it is used by another process
[12:52] <x89x> trekdanne : how do i edit my xorg.conf file manually ?
[12:52] <vge> ksivaji: so surfing to http://localhost/phpmyadmin/ dont bring u to phpmyadmin?
[12:52] <pag> bert1, "..as well as 915G, 915GM, and 945G chipsets."
[12:52] <pag> !aptfix | adrienne
[12:52] <ubotu> adrienne: If Adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole:  sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a 
[12:53] <bert1> ah pag.... okok awesome...
[12:53] <bert1> i am in windows atm... i wonder is there a link i can download to a usb pen and then install on kubuntu?
[12:53] <Cannoli> guys i think something might be wrong
[12:53] <Cannoli> its still at 46%
[12:53] <Cannoli> is that weird?
[12:53] <adrienne> thanks
[12:54] <ksivaji> vge this link take me to some .phtml file
[12:54] <vge> go to /var/www
[12:54] <pag> Cannoli, you ever used Partition Magic on that disk?
[12:55] <vge> and type ls -la and check where the link leads u to
[12:55] <Cannoli> nope
[12:56] <x89x>  how do i disable 3D acceleration ? anyone please
[12:56] <pag> Cannoli, there might be some problems with your HD, but I'd suggest you wait at least 10 more minutes before doing anything
[12:56] <bert1> thanks fpr your help guys =)
[12:57] <Cannoli> pag alrighty
[12:57] <Cannoli> btw thanx for all the help
[12:57] <Cannoli> :)
[12:57] <arun> hi people
[12:57] <trekdanne> hi arun
[12:57] <arun> hey trekdanne
[12:57] <Cannoli> arun hiya
[12:57] <arun> hey
[12:58] <vge> ksivaji: did my instructions make any sence to u?
[12:59] <ksivaji> i am so confused
[12:59] <arun> i just bought an external drive. i want to format it as fat32. how do i proceed? do i install gparted?
[01:00] <vge> ksivaji:  ic, open up tour terminal and type "ls -la /var/www"
[01:00] <pag> arun, well.. gparted is a nice GUI tool, so you could do it that way :)
[01:00] <vge> without the "
[01:01] <arun> pag: or else?
[01:02] <ksivaji> vge ok
[01:02] <vge> ksivaji: that should show u that if there is a phpmyadmin and it should be linked to /usr/share/phpmyadmin
[01:02] <pag> arun, commandline tools should also work (I'm not familiar with them, so it's useless to ask me for commands :P )
[01:03] <vge> ksivaji: if it's there, then i would reinstall php
[01:03] <ksivaji> vge ya it is there wait i wll see and tell
[01:04] <arun> pag: i got this tiny cd with the hard drive with drivers. i dont need to use that do i? it's probably for windows anyway
[01:04] <vge> ksivaji: does any php page work as intended?
[01:04] <pag> arun, probably not - they're probably for win98 or win95
[01:05] <arun> vge: yes?
[01:05] <vge> no?
[01:05] <ksivaji>  vge yes yes i have too many file in that which one is executable file
[01:06] <bionic> nvidia is pissing me
[01:06] <bionic> cant find the damn drivers still
[01:06] <vge> ksivaji: what?
[01:07] <ksivaji> vge i mean how to run that
[01:07] <vge> ksivaji: you run it trough your browser
[01:08] <Cannoli> i love how everything in linux is customizable
[01:08] <ksivaji> which php file i have to run
[01:08] <Cannoli> always good
[01:08] <Cannoli> :)
[01:08] <vge> index.php
[01:08] <Cannoli> pag, im still at 46%
[01:08] <Cannoli> suggestions on what to do?
[01:09] <arun> pag: i've attached the external hard drive to my computer. what happens now? i've never used an external drive with kubuntu before
[01:09] <vge> but you run it with the command http://localhost/phpmyadmin/index.php in webbrowser
[01:09] <ksivaji> vge ok
[01:09] <pag> Cannoli, tbh I do not know :-(
[01:10] <Cannoli> ok
[01:10] <Cannoli> maybe vge can help
[01:10] <pag> arun, if it's already formatted it should automound - otherwise just open gparted and format it to whatever you want
[01:11] <arun> pag: it's not formatted. it wasn't mounting.. so i thought maybe there's a problem.. i guess that's just because it's not formatted
[01:11] <Cannoli> vge, im trying to install kubuntu, and the installation is on "starting up the partitioner" and it says "scanning disks" but it has been at 46% for the paast 30-40 mins
[01:11] <arun> i know i sound very dim-witted
[01:11] <Cannoli> suggestions on what to do?
[01:11] <Cannoli> haha dont we all arun XD
[01:11] <arun> :)
[01:11] <vge> Cannoli: is there partitions you want to save?
[01:11] <Cannoli> yep
[01:12] <Cannoli> i have 1 60gb hdd with windows on it
[01:12] <Cannoli> and 1 250gb slave drive
[01:12] <vge> if it's just scanning em i dont think anything bad would happend from a reboot, but dont quote me on it
[01:12] <arun> pag: i don't see the new hard drive in gparted
[01:12] <arun> is there anything i am required to do?
[01:13] <Cannoli> ok
[01:13] <Cannoli> so cancel and reboot?
[01:13] <pag> arun, it should be in the list at top right corner
[01:13] <arun> pag: nope, don't see it
[01:13] <vge> Cannoli: cancel should bring you back to the menu, why not try again the partitioner?
[01:14] <pag> arun, is it connected? if it has a power-swich is it on?
[01:14] <Cannoli> ...im an idiot
[01:14] <Cannoli> i think i just figured out the problem
[01:14] <arun> pag: yes it is
[01:14] <Cannoli> i kliked the question mark a while ago
[01:14] <Cannoli> and since then a circle with an "x" has been coming up
[01:15] <Cannoli> i thought tht was normal
[01:15] <Cannoli> but when i kliked it went away
[01:15] <pag> arun, see if it's listed in /dev/  (probably sdb or sdc)
[01:15] <arun> pag: aaaah.. there was another power switch on the hard drive casing
[01:15] <arun> switched it on now
[01:15] <arun> pag: i see it now
[01:15] <vge> Cannoli, iw never really like the live cd, i allways use alternative cd:s :)
[01:16] <arun> pag: i selected it from the drop down.. it says 232gb unallocated
[01:16] <Cannoli> i couldnt get a hold of one :(
[01:16] <Cannoli> this one i got from the website
[01:16] <Cannoli> for free
[01:16] <Cannoli> cause my burner is currently down
[01:16] <Cannoli> -_-
[01:16] <vge> alternative is also free
[01:16] <arun> pag: stupid question, but this won't affect the hard drive on my computer right? i'm just a bit paranoid about that
[01:16] <vge> ahh, nvm
[01:17] <pag> arun, as long as you don't touch partition options for your comp. HD it wont affect it
[01:17] <arun> pag: alright, thanks
[01:17] <Cannoli> is there an msn for linux
[01:17] <Cannoli> excluding that kopete thing
[01:17] <Cannoli> ?
[01:17] <pag> Cannoli, Kmess and aMSN
[01:17] <arun> pag: so i'll just create a new partition for the hard drive.
[01:17] <pag> arun, yup
[01:17] <arun> Cannoli: there is also pidgin
[01:18] <Cannoli> are these like home made kind?
[01:18] <mecannotread> guys I installed feisty on my laptop but if i shutdown my laptop it doesnt shutdown in a properway and lcd layer look very scrambled
[01:18] <Cannoli> or acually from msn?
[01:18] <pag> Cannoli, no official client available - MS doesn't like linux too much :)
[01:18] <arun> pag: what type of disklabel am i supposed to select? is msdos ok?
[01:18] <Cannoli> lmao
[01:18] <Cannoli> dang
[01:18] <Cannoli> so whts the one tht resembles msn the most?
[01:18] <Cannoli> in terms of looks
[01:19] <Cannoli> cause kopete is uuuggllyy
[01:19] <Cannoli> XD
[01:19] <pag> arun, probably - I don't really know.
[01:19] <arun> Cannoli: aMSN is supposed to, i think.. but the last time i tried it, it sucked
[01:19] <Cannoli> lol
[01:19] <Cannoli> dang
[01:19] <pag> Cannoli, Kopete is sexy if you make it sexy :P
[01:19] <Cannoli> haha but its missing features
[01:19] <Cannoli> like the personal msg
[01:19] <Cannoli> and stuff
[01:20] <vge> who likes msn anyway
[01:20] <Cannoli> i do
[01:20] <Cannoli> XD
[01:20] <pag> Cannoli, Kmess (1.5pre2  not the one in repos) is pretty nice and has most of the features
[01:20] <runlevelten> Kopete isn't missing much, tbh.
[01:20] <Cannoli> ha sweet
[01:20] <Cannoli> i shall download it after
[01:21] <vge> irc is better :)
[01:21] <pag> Cannoli, you'll have to compile it :-/
[01:21] <Cannoli> runlevelten, its really not but it just doesnt have that msn feel to it
[01:21] <Cannoli> pag, tht went right over my head
[01:21] <pag> vge, yeah, and Jabber :)
[01:21] <Cannoli> but we shall discuss all that after isntall
[01:21] <Cannoli> install*
[01:21] <Cannoli> XD
[01:21] <mecannotread> ff
[01:21] <runlevelten> It's missing some features on Yahoo, etc., like cam and voice, but it is a multiprotocol client after all :)
[01:22] <Cannoli> k this is not working
[01:22] <Cannoli> time for reboot
[01:22] <Cannoli> brb
[01:22] <Cannoli> OH WIAT
[01:22] <Cannoli> IT WORK
[01:22] <Cannoli> WORKED
[01:22] <Cannoli> BOO YAH
[01:22] <vge> sorry that your capslock broked :/
[01:22] <pag> Cannoli, please, spare the Enter button ;)
[01:23] <Cannoli> XD
[01:23] <Cannoli> ok
[01:23] <Cannoli> now i need help
[01:23] <Cannoli> it says how do u want to partition the disk
[01:23] <{c}{h}{a}{f}{i}{> hi everybody
[01:23] <arun> pag: ok i'm just going to go with the default msdos disklabel. wish me luck
[01:23] <Cannoli> and i want 100 gb for linux and 150 for my windows
[01:23] <arun> hey {c}{h}{a}{f}{i}{
[01:23] <{c}{h}{a}{f}{i}{> could anybody here give me some help?
[01:24] <Cannoli> but the lowest i can go is 150 gb
[01:24] <Cannoli> :(
[01:24] <{c}{h}{a}{f}{i}{> I want to activate the 3D desktop and I need some assistance
[01:24] <Cannoli> 120*
[01:24] <vge> Cannoli: i would make seperate partition atleast for /home partition
[01:24] <Cannoli> english please
[01:24] <Cannoli> XD
[01:24] <pag> Cannoli, I always did a manual partitioning - and yeah seperate /home
[01:25] <Cannoli> ok...is that easier?
[01:25] <runlevelten>  /home = where your stuff goes, as opposed to where the OS and system settings etc. go.
[01:25] <Cannoli> wait wht?
[01:25] <arun> pag: have you used gparted before? i could use a little help. should i create this as a 'primary partition' or 'extended partition'?
[01:25] <pag> arun, primary
[01:25] <Cannoli> u mean one partition for linux as in the system
[01:25] <Cannoli> then one for files
[01:25] <Cannoli> and one for windows?
[01:25] <vge> yes
[01:25] <arun> pag: what's the difference, just out of curiosity
[01:26] <Cannoli> ok
[01:26] <Cannoli> can u guide me through that?
[01:26] <runlevelten> You don't *have* to, it  just makes for a lot of convenience in the long run :)
[01:26] <{c}{h}{a}{f}{i}{> hey excuse me anyone could help me?
[01:26] <pag> arun, sorry; too lazy to explain, read yourself: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disk_partitioning :D
[01:26] <arun> Cannoli: it's better to have one partition for Windows (NTFS), one fat32 partition for you to be able to share files between windows and linux, and one linux (ext3) partition
[01:26] <vge> !ask
[01:26] <ubotu> Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[01:26] <arun> pag: alright, thanks
[01:26] <pag> !beryl | {c}{h}{a}{f}{i}{
[01:26] <ubotu> {c}{h}{a}{f}{i}{: beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. Help in #ubuntu-effects
[01:26] <{c}{h}{a}{f}{i}{> thank you
[01:27] <runlevelten> arun: s/better/preferred by me/
[01:27] <runlevelten> ;P
[01:28] <arun> runlevelten: ?
[01:28] <Cannoli> :(
[01:28] <Cannoli> this is pure gibberish to me
[01:28] <Cannoli> :(
[01:28] <pag> Cannoli, I'd suggest: 150GB for windows, then 1GB swap, 10GB / and rest for /home
[01:28] <arun> Cannoli: it's really simple.. it sounded tough for me as well
[01:28] <runlevelten> Fat32 is truly pooey. Still, if you want to keep a very large amount of your space accessible from both, fat32 is a lot better than ntfs
[01:28] <arun> runlevelten: why dont you like fat32
[01:28] <Cannoli> i have 250 gb pag
[01:29] <pag> Cannoli, how much do you want to Windows?
[01:29] <Cannoli> depends
[01:29] <Cannoli> how much do u usually use on linux?
[01:29] <runlevelten> arun: fat32 doesn't support permissions or anything. It's a big void in a system as far as access control is concerned. It depends what you want out of it.
[01:29] <Cannoli> like are linux progs smaller than windows?
[01:29] <vge> Cannoli: you have your partitions made up?
[01:29] <Cannoli> ive never dealt with linux programs before so i dont know abt tier sizes
[01:30] <pag> Cannoli, /home contains your files - so up to you, and root ( / ) takes usually less than 10GB
[01:30] <Cannoli> no vge
[01:30] <runlevelten> arun: I will tend to install ext3 support in windows for people if they want to do all that stuff.
[01:30] <Cannoli> i have no idea wht im doing whne it comes to partitioning
[01:30] <Cannoli> :(
[01:30] <runlevelten> but again, fat32 is _easier_ :)
[01:30] <Cannoli> so wht goes in /?
[01:30] <runlevelten> Cannoli: everything.
[01:30] <pag> Cannoli, programms
[01:31] <vge> Cannoli: then you need http://gparted.sourceforge.net/livecd.php
[01:31] <runlevelten> but you can separate out bits of it onto different disks :)
[01:31] <Cannoli> ok and are the programs in linux equivilent in size to windows?
[01:31] <vge> to make correct sized partitions before installing windows
[01:31] <arun> can anyone tell me what gparted means by 'round to cylinders'
[01:31] <pag> vge, why? doesn't kubuntu-live contain qparted?
[01:31] <runlevelten> Cannoli: that question doesn't make any sense.
[01:31] <Cannoli> ok
[01:31] <Cannoli> lets say i dl a program
[01:31] <Cannoli> when i install it
[01:31] <vge> Cannoli: if it really does, then my bad
[01:32] <Cannoli> it takes up 1gb in windows
[01:32] <runlevelten> msn messenger is bigger than knotes. Openoffice is bigger than realplayer.
[01:32] <Cannoli> if i dl the same program except for linux
[01:32] <bionic> do i have to restart my computer after  i install video drivers for linux
[01:32] <vge> pag: really dont know, used once live cd and never used after that
[01:32] <Cannoli> will it also take up 1 gb?
[01:32] <{c}{h}{a}{f}{i}{> acutally I tried in #ubuntu-effects and none gave me an answer :(
[01:32] <arunkale> bionic: restarting x should suffice.. i dont think you need a full reboot
[01:32] <vge> Cannoli: i would say 10Gb for program files is enough, rest /home for personal files
[01:33] <runlevelten> Cannoli:  There's nothing that will make the program inherently bigger or smaller to any significant degree.
[01:33] <Cannoli> ic
[01:33] <pag> Cannoli, same programm - yes, but you don't use same software on linux what you use on windows
[01:33] <bionic> how do i restart X
[01:33] <runlevelten> Cannoli: Either way. :)
[01:33] <Cannoli> ic
[01:33] <vge> ctrl+alt+backspace
[01:34] <runlevelten> ctrl+alt+backspace is the brutal way of doing it, heh
[01:34] <vge> seemed to work :)
[01:34] <bionic> back
[01:34] <Cannoli> crap
[01:34] <Cannoli> i tried ctrl+alt+bkspc
[01:34] <Cannoli> XD
[01:34] <runlevelten> step away from the sysrq key with your hands in the air... :)
[01:35] <Cannoli> lmao
[01:35] <Cannoli> anywyz
[01:35] <vge> ctrl+f4 gives free cookies
[01:35] <Cannoli> 0o0o
[01:35] <Cannoli> cookies
[01:35] <Cannoli> !
[01:35] <Cannoli> XD
[01:35] <Cannoli> :S is that like bukkake?
[01:36] <vge> quake console for linux console
[01:36] <vge> if u plaid the games
[01:36] <runlevelten> oi, this is a nice family pub, ffs.
[01:36] <Cannoli> lmao
[01:36] <Cannoli> my bad
[01:36] <Cannoli> bwhahahhaah
[01:36] <arunkale> yaaaay my external hard disk is formatted and now works
[01:36] <pag> Cannoli, watch your language please.
[01:36] <vge> no tubgirls here
[01:36] <Cannoli> kk srry
[01:36] <Cannoli> so yea where were we
[01:37] <runlevelten> Easy mistake to make. Moving on.
[01:37] <Cannoli> ok lets say i give 50gb to home and 5 to root
[01:37] <runlevelten> Ah yes, partitioning with gparted
[01:37] <runlevelten> !gparted
[01:37] <ubotu> GParted is is a !GUI partitioning program. Type  sudo apt-get install gparted  in a console to install it - A GParted "live" CD is available at http://gparted.sourceforge.net/livecd.php
[01:37] <Cannoli> will that be sufficient?
[01:37] <user_> anyone have any idea how to completely reinstall gstreamer in kubuntu or ubuntu?
[01:37] <vge> Cannoli: give 10 to root imho
[01:38] <pag> Cannoli, see if you have qparter available in menus
[01:38] <teiwaz> I've tried uninstalling and reinstalling, clearing the cache, etc
[01:38] <Cannoli> see wht i was planning was 150 for windows
[01:38] <Cannoli> and 100 for linux
[01:38] <runlevelten> Cannoli: I tend to give some real breathing space to root - you never know when you'll buy some game and want to put it in root
[01:38] <arunkale> pag: thanks for your help. it seems to be working well. it should work on windows/os x as well right? i formatted it as fat32
[01:38] <runlevelten> pag: the bunter installer uses gparted doesn't it?
[01:38] <pag> arunkale, it should. and np :)
[01:39] <Cannoli> like i have soo many programs on my windows drive that its taken up almost 60 gb
[01:39] <bionic> yay my gfx card is in full operation
[01:39] <bionic> thats
[01:39] <bionic> thanks
[01:39] <Cannoli> should i just give root 50gb and home 50 gb?
[01:39] <runlevelten> nah. Give root 15 if you want, that's plenty of room.
[01:39] <Cannoli> ic
[01:39] <bionic> you will probably find you will download less on linux
[01:40] <vge> Cannoli: programs save their settings in your /home folder
[01:40] <runlevelten> bionic: pffffft.
[01:40] <Cannoli> so root will hold things like program files on windows?
[01:40] <Cannoli> liek the program files folder on windows*
[01:40] <pag> Cannoli, sort of..
[01:40] <runlevelten> program files, system files, temp files, system-wide settings.
[01:40] <Cannoli> ic
[01:41] <Cannoli> so wouldnt that require more space :S
[01:41] <runlevelten> Then all per-user settings will go in your own directory.
[01:41] <Cannoli> cause like my windows drive is like the root partition
[01:41] <vge> but if u seperate /home folder and need to reinstall linux, u never loose those settings you have changed for those programs
[01:41] <teiwaz> gstreamer?  anyone?
[01:41] <Cannoli> but u loose the prgrams?
[01:42] <runlevelten> Cannoli: Probably not. Also, you can move things around if you need to. That's unix for you.
[01:42] <pag> teiwaz, sudo apt-get remove --purge packages  ?
[01:42] <vge> yes, but if u reinstall the program, the settings will be restored from your /home folder
[01:42] <Cannoli> so u guys are saying 15 gb should be more than enough for root?
[01:42] <vge> yup
[01:42] <arunkale> Cannoli: individual settings for each program are stored in your /home directory. so later if you install kubuntu on another computer and transfer stuff from your home partition to the new computer.. all your settings will be retained for the apps
[01:42] <Cannoli> and like 85 for home
[01:42] <runlevelten> Cannoli: as long as you're separating home out somewhere else.
[01:43] <teiwaz> is that the same as uninstalling from adept, rebooting, and reinstalling?
[01:43] <Cannoli> yea so one partition will be 15gb strictly for root and u said ext3
[01:43] <Cannoli> the second will be 85 gb
[01:43] <Cannoli> for home
[01:43] <Cannoli> and the third will remain, which is my windows
[01:44] <pag> teiwaz, dunno - don't use Adept. It should also have choise to remove config files
[01:44] <Cannoli> the third being 150 gb
[01:44] <Cannoli> ok so i got the basic layout down
[01:44] <teiwaz> k, I'll give that a go
[01:45] <Cannoli> on to the partitioning
[01:45] <Cannoli> ...now what :S
[01:45] <Cannoli> XD
[01:46] <runlevelten> Right, well I use cfdisk and emacs, or yast, which is not the kubuntu way, someone else will need to fly you through gparted :)
[01:47] <runlevelten> !partition
[01:47] <ubotu> Partitioning programs: !GParted or QTParted (also "man mkfs" for formatting) - Mounting partitions in Gnome under Dapper: System -> Administration -> Disks - For Edgy, see !fstab and !DiskMounter
[01:47] <pag> Cannoli, do you have qparted or gparted somewhere in menus?
[01:47] <Cannoli> which menus?
[01:48] <pag> Cannoli, the one with K
[01:48] <Cannoli> yea
[01:48] <Cannoli> i have qtparted
[01:48] <Cannoli> in system
[01:48] <Cannoli> under system*
[01:48] <pag> Cannoli, open it  (installation also has partitioning program, but imho it sucks)
[01:48] <Cannoli> k
[01:48] <Cannoli> opened it
[01:49] <Cannoli> programs load ffassttt
[01:49] <Cannoli> XD
[01:49] <pag> you should now see your HD
[01:49] <Cannoli> yea i see 2
[01:49] <Cannoli> sda and sdb
[01:49] <Cannoli> both with /dev/ before them
[01:49] <pag> choose sdb  (it is the larger one, right?)
[01:50] <vge> everything in linux is in folders
[01:50] <Cannoli> yes sdb is the larger one
[01:50] <runlevelten> ( directories. )
[01:50] <Cannoli> ntfs type
[01:51] <Cannoli> used 119.14gb
[01:51] <pag> Cannoli, try to find an option to set size of that partition, and make it ~150GB big
[01:52] <Cannoli> resize?
[01:52] <pag> 'resize' is the one
[01:52] <Cannoli> ok i kliked it
[01:52] <pag> rezise it to be about 150GB
[01:52] <Cannoli> ok
[01:53] <Cannoli> quick question
[01:53] <Cannoli> this means it will keep 150 the way it is right
[01:53] <Cannoli> ?
[01:53] <pag> Cannoli, if you don't order it to do anything else, yes it will - but backups are always great thing to have ;)
[01:54] <Cannoli> meh nothing too important on that drive
[01:54] <Cannoli> XD
[01:54] <Cannoli> ok
[01:54] <Cannoli> so new size 150 gb
[01:54] <Cannoli> free space after 83.75 gb
[01:54] <pag> ok.. if you resized, you should have unallocated space
[01:54] <Cannoli> hit ok?
[01:54] <pag> Cannoli, yup.
[01:55] <Cannoli> oh snap! u can use the middle mouse button to scroll through windows!!!
[01:55] <vge> if i know how to remove the feature, give me a message
[01:55] <pag> and through desktops too (not sure if enabled by default though) :)
[01:55] <Cannoli> ~~~crazy~~~
[01:56] <Cannoli> im having wayy too much fun with this
[01:56] <Cannoli> xD
[01:56] <Cannoli> k so qtparted kinda just froze :S
[01:56] <Cannoli> better wait for it
[01:56] <runlevelten> Yeah the middle mouse button is cool over here :)
[01:56] <runlevelten> the best bit is using it to paste the last thing you highlighted.
[01:56] <Tyro> hey guys i'm back
[01:56] <Cannoli>  the best bit is using it to paste the last thing you highlighted.
[01:57] <Cannoli> snap!
[01:57] <Tyro> who ever was helping me bevore THX
[01:57] <Tyro> before*
[01:57] <runlevelten> Cannoli: now click teh clipboard icon in your tray
[01:57] <Cannoli> zomg!
[01:57] <Cannoli> XD
[01:57] <runlevelten> it remembers stuff. C&P in X/KDE with Klipper is soooooo cool
[01:58] <Tyro> trekdanne
[01:58] <Cannoli> rawr
[01:59] <Cannoli> qtparted is frozen
[01:59] <runlevelten> So you can just highlight three or four things, and without having used copy on each one, paste any one at will. Such a useful feature.
[01:59] <Tyro> i got everythig working, and i have to say it was sweet trekdanne
[01:59] <waylandbill> the clipboard is a fundamental part of any desktop environment. It's essential for getting info from one app to another as a user without using a file.
[01:59] <vge> clipboard is the best
[01:59] <Riddell> Cannoli: I recommend using gparted rather than qtparted
[01:59] <trekdanne> oh nice to hear, tyro
[01:59] <Cannoli> so should i close qtparted?
[01:59] <Riddell> sure
[01:59] <vge> is there an clipboard funclub?
[01:59] <waylandbill> I agree with Riddell, and I even take it a step further and use the gparted livecd.
[02:00] <Tyro> trekdanne, kubuntu is sweet, it was well better than i would have thought
[02:00] <Cannoli> the only thing is
[02:00] <Tyro> and that was just the Live CD trekdanne
[02:00] <runlevelten> vge: not really, but the very limited C&P on other platforms is painful and frustrating afterwards.
[02:00] <Cannoli> qtparted is suppose to be resizing my hdd
[02:00] <Cannoli> will i loose my data :S
[02:00] <mecannotread> guys if i shutdown my laptop  it doesnt shutdown in the proper way can somebody help me
[02:01] <waylandbill> Cannoli: right. don't close it in an operation.
[02:01] <runlevelten> don't shut it if it's working on your disk, dude.
[02:01] <Cannoli> yea
[02:01] <Cannoli> i didnt
[02:01] <Cannoli> jsut wait then?
[02:01] <vge> mecannotread: i think this is a common problem where google can help allot
[02:02] <Cannoli> so i just had a packet of hotsauce...
[02:02] <Cannoli> XD
[02:02] <mecannotread> ok i will check it out vge thanks
[02:03] <trekdanne> tyro, don't hesitate to ask if you have any more questions or need more help
[02:03] <Tyro> trekdanne, just one more thing, is it normal for the screen to be a bit to wide?
[02:03] <Tyro> becasue it was like 5-10 pixels wider than it was meant to be
[02:05] <Cannoli> oh god
[02:05] <Cannoli> i dont know wht to do
[02:05] <Cannoli> qtparted is frozen
[02:05] <Cannoli> :(
[02:05] <JenFraggle> is it possible to have both ubuntu and kubuntu installed so that I can just switch between them?  i don't want to make any more partitions and wondered if it is possible
[02:05] <vge> JenFraggle: it is
[02:06] <trekdanne> tyro, I don't think so. maybe you should try to change the resolution?
[02:06] <runlevelten> JenFraggle: On ubuntu, install kubuntu-desktop. Then choose between gnome and kde when you log in
[02:06] <JenFraggle> vge: I currently use gnome and am interested in seeing what kde is like.  is there a link to instructions anywhere?
[02:06] <Cannoli> guys im scared
[02:06] <Cannoli> :(
[02:06] <Tyro> trekdanne, i did, maybe i just had to reset the screen for the other OS
[02:06] <runlevelten> JenFraggle: ^
[02:07] <JenFraggle> Thanks, trying that now
[02:07] <Tyro> trekdanne, like physically with the buttons on the screen
[02:08] <Tyro> trekdanne, i'm not in kubuntu anymore, so i can't check. can't wait to install it on the computer i'm getting
[02:08] <runlevelten> Cannoli: resizing can take a loooooooooong time
[02:08] <runlevelten> don't panic just yet.
[02:08] <trekdanne> ah ok
[02:08] <runlevelten> Hang on, I wasn't really watching the qtparted episode, you were resizing, right?
[02:08] <trekdanne> most new tft screens should do that automatically i think
[02:09] <Cannoli> yep
[02:09] <Cannoli> i was
[02:09] <runlevelten> I'd leave it now and do something else.
[02:09] <runlevelten> Let it do its thang
[02:09] <Cannoli> kk
[02:09] <runlevelten> Are you on a live CD?
[02:10] <Cannoli> is konquerer made by mozilla?
[02:10] <Cannoli> i think so
[02:10] <Cannoli> XD
[02:10] <runlevelten> negative.
[02:10] <Cannoli> true
[02:10] <Cannoli> sure functions like firefox
[02:10] <runlevelten> konqueror = the KDE gui swiss army knife.
[02:10] <Cannoli> haha
[02:11] <trekdanne> tyro, you may have to install the drivers to your graphic card to get it to work optimally
[02:11] <runlevelten> I prefer it to firefox a lot, but firefox supports page quirks _much_ better
[02:11] <stdin> firefox functions like konqueror, not the other way round ;)
[02:11] <runlevelten> I switch off javascript in konqueror and use it as a quick browser - because it is very snappy indeed.
[02:11] <trekdanne> speaking of konqueror, i'm still doubtful to this dophin/konqueror split
[02:12] <runlevelten> trekdanne: You're not the only person. I see it going wrong.
[02:12] <Tyro> trekdanne, i guess. i was only in the Live CD more though, so it's not biggy
[02:12] <runlevelten> but there will be choice, which is a KDE watchword \o/
[02:12] <Tyro> mode*
[02:13] <runlevelten> I don't want a minimal file manager. Most programmers I use, abhor nautilus and some use konqy instead even in gnome.
[02:13] <Cannoli> runlevelten, wht page quirks?
[02:13] <arunkale> how do i ensure that my external hard drive lasts for a long time? should i be using it regularly, or defragmenting it, or any other precaution?
[02:13] <trekdanne> ah i see tyro, i thought you should be warned though... :)
[02:13] <trekdanne> KIO is hot stuff
[02:13] <runlevelten> Gnome = Don't confuse me. KDE = MOAR POWER!
[02:13] <Karti> Hi, any users of lm-sensors here? Just wondered how good it was as I wanted to use system2free in superkaramba and take the details from that
[02:14] <Cannoli> omg omg omg yay
[02:14] <Tyro> yeah, the computer i'm getting is very basic though, it doesn't have a video card, and comes standard with Xandros linux, so i don't think i'll have much troubel trekdanne, but thx
[02:14] <Cannoli> qtparted finsihed
[02:14] <Cannoli> :D:D:D:D:
[02:14] <Cannoli> now wht...
[02:14] <Cannoli> XD
[02:14] <trekdanne> tyro, ok i see
[02:14] <runlevelten> Cannoli: the web is full of weeping, diseased web pages, brought on by years of broken browsers, broken code generators and broken web developers :)
[02:14] <Cannoli> runlevelten, lmao ic
[02:14] <Tyro> trekdanne, do you want to see a link
[02:14] <stdin> arunkale: just make sure you "safely remove" it every time, no need to defragment it
[02:14] <trekdanne> yea sure
[02:14] <runlevelten> firefox brings you some degree of tolerance for that, basically.
[02:15] <Cannoli> wait...u cant get viruses in linux right??!!
[02:15] <stdin> arunkale: you can run fsdk on it once in a while tho, say once a month
[02:15] <trekdanne> not per see
[02:15] <Cannoli> pag are u still here?
[02:15] <trekdanne> Cannoli: but there have been remote exploits in firefox for linux
[02:15] <Tyro> trekdanne, i'll just get one real quick
[02:15] <Cannoli> ic
[02:15] <runlevelten> Cannoli: It's possible. It's less likely by several orders of magnitude.
[02:16] <Cannoli> so in linux, i dont need special protection like a firewall and stuff?
[02:16] <trekdanne> no
[02:16] <Cannoli> or like spyware/adware blockers?
[02:16] <trekdanne> but it could be wise
[02:16] <Tyro> trekdanne, http://www.hothardware.com/articles/Hands_on_with_the_ASUS_Eee/?page=1
[02:16] <stdin> Cannoli: there are no spy/adware in linux
[02:16] <Cannoli> 0.0
[02:16] <runlevelten> To have some degree security, you must always install updates, and only install software from trusted repos, that's the bottom line.
[02:16] <arunkale> stdin: what will fsdk do?
[02:16] <Cannoli> hhhaawwttt
[02:16] <runlevelten> +of
[02:16] <arunkale> stdin: i've formatted it as fat32, btw
[02:17] <Cannoli> so why doesnt spy/adware exist in linux?
[02:17] <stdin> arunkale: fsck checks the filesystem, it's a bit like the windows chkdsk command
[02:17] <arunkale> Cannoli: because we're worth it
[02:17] <arunkale> kidding :)
[02:17] <Cannoli> XD
[02:18] <trekdanne> tyro: cool. small keyboard though :P
[02:18] <Tyro> you can allways add a USB keyboard
[02:18] <stdin> Cannoli: because it would be difficult to implement mostly
[02:18] <Cannoli> ic ic
[02:18] <arunkale> i finally bought an external hard drive.. i feel good. my hard drive on the computer was bursting at the seams..
[02:18] <Cannoli> ok so im in qtparted and its resized
[02:18] <federico> hello
[02:18] <Cannoli> wht do i do next?
[02:18] <runlevelten> 1. Nobody's been bothered. 2. People don't stand for that stuff on Linux (see realplayer's lack of cruft over here) 3. It's effort spyware writers can'#t be bothered with, being losers.
[02:18] <Dragnslcr> Cannoli- the market isn't big enough for anyone to bother
[02:18] <arunkale> hey federico
[02:19] <Dragnslcr> And most Linux users are too smart to install spyware
[02:19] <federico> hey arunkale
[02:19] <federico> how do you do?
[02:19] <Cannoli> haha true
[02:19] <Cannoli> hiya federico
[02:19] <arunkale> have there been any viruses for linux?
[02:19] <runlevelten> You provide spyware on Linux, your software will _NOT_ get installed and you will never get any sales from it, bottom line.
[02:19] <federico> i'm sorry
[02:19] <Tyro> trekdanne, it's really basic, and i think is a good test subject for me to use Kubuntu on
[02:19] <Dragnslcr> Of course it's possible to have spyware in Linux. The operating system can only do so much to protect users from themselves
[02:19] <federico> where are you from?
[02:20] <Cannoli> !seen pag
[02:20] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about seen pag - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:20] <Cannoli> aww i think pag left
[02:20] <Cannoli> :(
[02:20] <llutz> arunkale: there had, but only a few in the wild
[02:20] <federico> i'm italian
[02:20] <Dragnslcr> "Run this to get an awesome screensaver!" will always work on idiots, regardless of operating system
[02:20] <trekdanne> the problem with windows spyware is generally this double click on the exe-attitude towards software
[02:21] <stdin> Cannoli: [Notice]  -SeenServ- I last saw pag (n=pavel@unaffiliated/pag) 9m 1s ago, quiting: Remote closed the connection
[02:21] <llutz> arunkale: the last was afaik "Virus.Linux.Bi", which tried to infect ELF-binaries
[02:21] <runlevelten> arunkale: Network worms, browser exploits and intentional compromises are the dangers you want to consider.
[02:21] <federico> i don't speak english well
[02:21] <trekdanne> if you tell users to only download software from repo it shouldn't be any problem
[02:21] <stdin> !it | federico
[02:21] <ubotu> federico: Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[02:21] <Cannoli> stdin, how did u get that info?
[02:22] <federico> e tu chi sei?
[02:22] <stdin> Cannoli: /msg SeenServ seen pag
[02:22] <Cannoli> ah ic
[02:22] <arunkale> i'm just curious.. if there's like a really dangerous virus for windows.. if a person using kubuntu downloads it, will he get infected in any way?
[02:22] <runlevelten> arunkale: All three will exploit software that hasn't been patched up to date. The last one will be a real risk if you install stuff without thinking.
[02:22] <Dragnslcr> Not using Internet Explorer and Outlook Express is probably the biggest benefit as far as stopping viruses is concerned
[02:22] <arunkale> ha..
[02:22] <Cannoli> dragnslcr can u help me with my partitioning please?
[02:22] <arunkale> i use flock and thunderbird
[02:22] <Dragnslcr> arunkale- possibly, but not likely
[02:23] <Dragnslcr> Cannoli- I can try. I'm not really an expert at it
[02:23] <Cannoli> ok
[02:23] <runlevelten> arunkale: You could theoretically exploit wine, traverse directories and nuke the user's home folder if you were aware of its existence, but not generally.
[02:23] <arunkale> Dragnslcr: ah alright
[02:23] <Cannoli> im using qtparted
[02:23] <Cannoli> and i just resized my hd
[02:23] <trekdanne> generally, virus is not a concern on linux, but server exploits is a different matter
[02:23] <Cannoli> so i have 150gb in ntfs
[02:23] <stdin> arunkale: the only way a windows virus could infect you is if you ran it in wine :p
[02:23] <Cannoli> and 83.76 free
[02:23] <Cannoli> i want 15 for root and the rest for home
[02:23] <Cannoli> how would i go about doing that
[02:24] <Dragnslcr> I just did that a while ago, but I can't quite remember
[02:24] <runlevelten> as for browser exploits, well those are controlled to a certain extent by a decently secure desktop.
[02:24] <runlevelten> ubuntu isn't the best for that, but it's not bad.
[02:24] <Dragnslcr> Is the 83 GB an existing partition, or unallocated space?
[02:24] <Cannoli> unallocated
[02:24] <trekdanne> stdin: that is not entirely correct, IIRC there have been a few cross-plattform worms
[02:24] <trekdanne> and virus
[02:25] <Cannoli> ok can u tell me wht type of partitions do they ahve to be and wht should i create them as?
[02:25] <Dragnslcr> Just create a new partition and make it 15 GB, then create a new partition and tell to use all unallocated space
[02:25] <stdin> trekdanne: like I said "windows virus"
[02:25] <trekdanne> stdin: ah ok, i just wanted to point that out anyway :)
[02:25] <trekdanne> gret trivia
[02:25] <Dragnslcr> I think ext3 is the generally accepted "best" file system
[02:26] <stdin> well, until ext4 comes out :)
[02:26] <runlevelten> the two main problems I can see for ubuntu are that it doesn't have any container around exploited browsers/pdf readers to stop them running amok, and worse,
[02:26] <Dragnslcr> Heh
[02:26] <runlevelten> the habit of users casually adding untrusted repos and tossing them on the system. The second WILL be the undiong at some point imo :(
[02:26] <trekdanne> ehh, unix file permissions should take care of that
[02:27] <runlevelten> well, not undoing, but nasty
[02:27] <runlevelten> trekdanne: unix file permissions don't even address the problem.
[02:27] <stdin> the biggest problem with all OSs?
[02:28] <stdin> people use them
[02:28] <Cannoli> so
[02:28] <trekdanne> ah no ofc, i misunderstood you
[02:28] <Cannoli> will the 15 gb be primary or extended partition
[02:28] <Cannoli> ?
[02:28] <blackflag> Hello all :)
[02:28] <trekdanne> !hi | blackflag
[02:28] <ubotu> blackflag: Hi! Welcome to #kubuntu!
[02:28] <runlevelten> stdin: yep. That's the problem Microsoft are trying to solve with Vista, I think.
[02:28] <runlevelten> A bold move, no doubt.
[02:28] <Cannoli> lmao
[02:29] <Dragnslcr> Cannoli- I believe primary
[02:29] <stdin> even the windows fanboys don't like vista :p
[02:29] <trekdanne> hmm i have not actually run vista :P
[02:29] <blackflag> I want to add a source to sources list and dont get it run: http://www.atlantech.com/~john/openssi-debian-1.9.3/ what have I to do to get this packages via apt?
[02:29] <stdin> trekdanne: don't waste your time, never try
[02:30] <trekdanne> stdin: hehe
[02:30] <Cannoli> beginning or unallocated space or end?
[02:30] <runlevelten> It looks flashy, but still not as good as OS X.
[02:30] <runlevelten> ^epitaph.
[02:30] <stdin> blackflag: why? why would you need to add that source?
[02:31] <Dragnslcr> Cannoli- unallocated, I think
[02:31] <Cannoli> im srry
[02:31] <Cannoli> beginning or end of unallocated space?
[02:31] <Cannoli> *
[02:31] <Dragnslcr> Oh
[02:31] <Dragnslcr> Beginning should be fine
[02:31] <Cannoli> ok
[02:32] <Cannoli> now wht type should it be for home?
[02:32] <trekdanne> i would suggest ext3
[02:32] <stdin> same as for the root
[02:32] <Dragnslcr> Ext3 should be fine
[02:33] <blackflag> I wnat to build a cluster with debian and this is a new package for etch, sorry for asking here debian
[02:33] <stdin> blackflag: so you're running debian?
[02:33] <Cannoli> and tht should be primary too?
[02:33] <blackflag> on desktop kubuntu on vmware debian
[02:34] <stdin> blackflag: the like you want is "deb http://www.atlantech.com/~john/openssi-debian-1.9.3/ ./"
[02:34] <arunkale> is it safe/advisable to run files directly off the external hard drive?
[02:34] <Cannoli> or should i make it extended?
[02:34] <stdin> arunkale: depends what you mean by "run", if you mean open/edit then yeah, if you mean execute then maybe not
[02:35] <runlevelten> primary as often as you can will do :)
[02:35] <Dragnslcr> Cannoli- I can't really remember the difference
[02:35] <Cannoli> kk
[02:35] <Dragnslcr> But yeah, if it'll let you do primary, you might as well
[02:35] <Cannoli> :S something weird happened
[02:35] <arunkale> stdin: can i run video files directly from the external hard drive
[02:35] <blackflag> ohh thats all? I tried / main and something.. okay thanks. I have to do holiday...
[02:35] <Cannoli> there are 4 things written there instead of 3
[02:36] <Cannoli> 1,) ntfs 150gb
[02:36] <Dragnslcr> Cannoli- swap partition maybe?
[02:36] <Dragnslcr> You definitely need one of those
[02:36] <Cannoli> 2.) free 5.84mb
[02:36] <stdin> arunkale: yeah, that's fine
[02:36] <Cannoli> then the other 2 are the linux partitions
[02:36] <arunkale> stdin: what did you mean by execute
[02:36] <Dragnslcr> Odd
[02:36] <stdin> arunkale: run applications from there
[02:37] <Dragnslcr> Dunno why parted would leave that 5 MB unused
[02:37] <Cannoli> yea
[02:37] <Dragnslcr> Probably not worth worrying about though
[02:37] <arunkale> stdin: ah alright.. no i wont do that
[02:37] <Cannoli> k so now wht do i do?
[02:37] <Cannoli> commit?
[02:38] <chaKKo_1521> http://www.pennergame.de/ref.php?uid=1521
[02:38] <Dragnslcr> Actually, if you're manually doing the partitions, you might want to create a swap partition as well
[02:38] <Cannoli> meaning?
[02:39] <Dragnslcr> Create a swap partition. Just like the others, but the type is 'swap'
[02:39] <Cannoli> wht is that?
[02:39] <Cannoli> and why do i need that?
[02:39] <Cannoli> :S
[02:39] <runlevelten> You'll really want a swap partition
[02:39] <trekdanne> the linux kernel can use a partion as "memory" when your real memory runs out
[02:39] <runlevelten> think virtual memory, and you're giving it its own partition
[02:39] <Dragnslcr> Windows just uses a file on the system's partition, but Linux uses a separate partition
[02:39] <Cannoli> oh snap
[02:39] <Cannoli> ok
[02:40] <runlevelten> You can use a file on the system partition in Linux too, but it's not so good to do that.
[02:40] <Cannoli> so how big should i make it?
[02:40] <stdin> Cannoli: it's like the windows "Page File" but it's a whole partition
[02:40] <Cannoli> sweet
[02:40] <trekdanne> however it is possible to use swap files under linux too
[02:40] <Dragnslcr> Cannoli- I believe it should be however much memory you have
[02:40] <mecannotread> size of the swap should be 2 times ram memory canoli
[02:40] <Cannoli> ic
[02:40] <Cannoli> so 2048?
[02:40] <runlevelten> A big debate basically.
[02:40] <Dragnslcr> Mine is 5 GB, but I have plenty of extra disk space
[02:41] <Dragnslcr> 2 GB should be a good amount
[02:41] <Cannoli> how abt 3 on the safe side?
[02:41] <runlevelten> Swapping has changed lately, opinions vary between .5 of ram and 2.0 of ram
[02:41] <runlevelten> heh
[02:41] <Cannoli> lmao
[02:41] <mecannotread> I mean minimal size is 2 times ram memory
[02:41] <stdin> Cannoli: how much RAM do you have? it's normally said to be 1.5-2xRAM but the more ram the less swap you need
[02:42] <Cannoli> does it have to be like 2 times the memory or 4 times the memory or can i just choose like 3 gbs?
[02:42] <mecannotread> For me bigger is better if  enyone agreed with me
[02:42] <Cannoli> 1024mb
[02:42] <stdin> Cannoli: do you want hibernate ability?
[02:42] <Cannoli> ??
[02:43] <stdin> Cannoli: well are you on a laptop?
[02:43] <Cannoli> nope
[02:43] <runlevelten> wot ram did you say you had Cannoli?
[02:43] <Cannoli> 1024mb
[02:43] <stdin> then you probably don't
[02:43] <Cannoli> ic
[02:43] <runlevelten> then 2048 will do nicely.
[02:43] <stdin> Cannoli: I'd say 1 - 2 GB will be planty
[02:44] <Cannoli> ok
[02:44] <stdin> *plenty :)
[02:44] <Cannoli> so should i undo the other 2 partitions
[02:44] <Cannoli> make one 15gb
[02:44] <Dragnslcr> Nah
[02:44] <Cannoli> 1 2048mb
[02:44] <Cannoli> and 1 whtevers left?
[02:44] <Dragnslcr> Just slice the 2 GB out of the larger one
[02:44] <Cannoli> ah ic
[02:44] <Dragnslcr> That's the nice thing about parted
[02:44] <Dragnslcr> It can even slice a piece off a partition with data on it
[02:45] <Dragnslcr> Which saved my butt
[02:45] <Cannoli> and it should be linux-swap?
[02:45] <Dragnslcr> Sounds right
[02:45] <Cannoli> kk
[02:45] <mrksbrd> does anyone here have an aircard?
[02:45] <Cannoli> whts like JFS and fat32?
[02:45] <Cannoli> :S
[02:45] <Dragnslcr> FAT32 is what Windows 9x used
[02:45] <Dragnslcr> And it more or less sucks
[02:46] <Dragnslcr> Not sure what JFS is. Might be Journaling FS
[02:46] <Cannoli> ic
[02:46] <runlevelten> JFS is the IBM one innit
[02:46] <stdin> Journaled File System or JFS is a 64-bit journaling filesystem created by IBM.
[02:47] <Cannoli> it wont let me create the swap
[02:47] <Cannoli> :S
[02:48] <Cannoli> i think its cause this is all virtual partitioning
[02:48] <Cannoli> it hasnt actually partitioned the drive yet
[02:48] <mrksbrd> has anyone attempted or are using linux on a 64-bit system?
[02:48] <arunkale> why does everyone here hate fat32 :)
[02:49] <stdin> mrksbrd: tons of people have, I haven't (but that's because I don't have a 64bit cpu)
[02:49] <stdin> arunkale: because it's very limiting
[02:49] <runlevelten> arunkale: because it's terribly limited?
[02:50] <Cannoli> damn
[02:50] <Cannoli> this is not working
[02:50] <Cannoli> -_-
[02:50] <mrksbrd> just was curious if it was any speedier?
[02:50] <Dragnslcr> mrksbrd- I did for a while. I switched over to the i386 version just because a few programs haven't quite caught up to 64-bit versions yet
[02:50] <Dragnslcr> mrksbrd- probably not enough to notice on a typical home desktop
[02:50] <runlevelten> mrksbrd: by and large the places where you'll notice a difference will be stuff like video encoding, rendering etc.
[02:50] <mrksbrd> microsoft claims 64-bit processor was faster running applications
[02:50] <Cannoli> i have the 15gb partition, the 2gb swap
[02:50] <mrksbrd> but never seen that much of a difference
[02:51] <Cannoli> and the rest is left free
[02:51] <runlevelten> mrksbrd: For most desktop computing, you may find 32 bit just as good.
[02:51] <Cannoli> but when i try and create, it doesnt let me
[02:51] <Cannoli> :S
[02:51] <stdin> mrksbrd: it will be a bit faster, but unless you have more than 4GB RAM, then there little point for a desktop machine
[02:51] <mrksbrd> oh ok
[02:51] <mecannotread> cannoli try this way... create one partition dan commit and then make a swap and again commit step by step
[02:52] <Cannoli> ic
[02:52] <mecannotread> cannoli but be sure the space is free
[02:52] <Cannoli> yep
[02:53] <arunkale> stdin, runlevelten: yes, i agree.. it's limiting, and it's far inferior to ext3, but it has its uses as well
[02:53] <stdin> arunkale: like?
[02:53] <runlevelten> arunkale: one of which isn't supporting useful file attributes of any kind.
[02:54] <arunkale> stdin: like easily sharing files between multiple operating systems
[02:54] <runlevelten> arunkale: you know you can have ext2/3 support on windows, right?
[02:54] <mecannotread> I fat32 because some pc of mine still using windows...
[02:54] <stdin> arunkale, mecannotread: there is a ext2 driver for windows you know
[02:55] <mecannotread> i meand> I used fat32 because some pc of mine still using windows...
[02:55] <arunkale> runlevelten: by default?
[02:55] <Cannoli> :S for the bluetooth in kubuntu, do i need special hardware?
[02:55] <mecannotread> stdin ??? oooh I didnt know about that
[02:55] <Dragnslcr> Cannoli- a bluetooth receiver, obviously
[02:56] <Cannoli> wht abt a transmitter?
[02:56] <stdin> mecannotread: http://fs-driver.org/
[02:56] <runlevelten> arunkale: No.
[02:56] <Dragnslcr> Cannoli- It's the same device
[02:56] <Cannoli> lmao
[02:56] <Cannoli> ic
[02:56] <mecannotread> stdin ok i will check it out thanks for the info stdin
[02:56] <Dragnslcr> I don't think there are any separate receivers and transmitters for bluetooth
[02:56] <Dragnslcr> Every device acts as both
[02:57] <arunkale> runlevelten: i'm just using a fat32 formatted drive so that if i have to share files with my friends using windows, i can do it easily.. otherwise, i agree that it's painfully limiting
[02:58] <runlevelten> Oh, well if you're sharing files withe friends using windows, the fs is irrelevant.
[02:58] <Cannoli> so if i can get that for my pc i can "talk" to my cell phone
[02:58] <runlevelten> *with
[02:58] <arunkale> runlevelten: what do you mean
[02:59] <Dragnslcr> Cannoli- probably. Some phones don't behave very well with Linux, but most of them you can at least copy files to and from
[03:00] <Cannoli> ah ic
[03:00] <Cannoli> oh i heard abt tht new linux phone
[03:00] <Cannoli> sounds pretty sweet
[03:00] <Dragnslcr> I know I can do file transfers with mine, but I wish I could do address book syncing
[03:00] <Dragnslcr> OpenMoko, yeah
[03:00] <Dragnslcr> Expensive though, at least if you're looking for a cell phone
[03:01] <Dragnslcr> It's more of a PDA, I think
[03:02] <arunkale> does anyone here read the diveintomark blog?
[03:02] <server_> hi can any one help me how to setup email server on my kubuntu
[03:03] <Dragnslcr> server_- install Postfix and check out their site. They have really good documentation
[03:04] <server_> can i get the link
[03:04] <server_> i need to get this going asap
[03:04] <Dragnslcr> http://www.postfix.org I believe
[03:04] <Dragnslcr> Yup, that's it
[03:04] <server_> thx
[03:05] <Dragnslcr> It's pretty simple to setup. Definitely easier than sendmail
[03:06] <arunkale> is it possible/safe to expand my currently 51gb linux partition to 90gb using gparted?
[03:06] <Dragnslcr> Should be, yeah
[03:06] <Dragnslcr> Adding space to a partition is pretty safe
[03:07] <Dragnslcr> The too-many-backups-is-better-than-not-enough-backups rule still applies
[03:09] <arunkale> Dragnslcr: if i back the files up to another partition that i dont plan to touch, is it safe? or should it ideally be on some other storage device
[03:10] <Dragnslcr> Ideally, backups should always be on a different device. The odds of parted blowing away the entire disk are pretty low if you know what you're doing
[03:11] <Dragnslcr> I cut an existing partition into two separate partitions and didn't have a problem, so adding to an existing partition should work without a problem
[03:11] <arunkale> ah
[03:11] <arunkale> i'll back up to another device anyway.. i have a tendency to screw these things up sometimes
[03:12] <Dragnslcr> If you another hard disk sitting around, it might be worth it. Shouldn't take too long
[03:12] <arunkale> when i was installing open suse a few years ago (my first linux distro), the partition manager wasn't very easy to use, so i ended up blowng everything
[03:12] <arunkale> kubuntu's was really easy, i was quite surprised
[03:12] <ronin_> Morning all
[03:12] <Dragnslcr> I found QtParted to be pretty easy to use
[03:12] <arunkale> hey ronin_
[03:12] <arunkale> Dragnslcr: i'm using gparted
[03:13] <scott__> how do I download and install kde?
[03:13] <scott__> the kde desktop?
[03:13] <ronin_> Guess I came in at a good time. I'm having a Gparted issue
[03:13] <Dragnslcr> I don't think I tried gparted, but it should be pretty similar to qrparted
[03:13] <Dragnslcr> scott__- are you running Ubuntu now?
[03:13] <arunkale> !unrar
[03:13] <ubotu> rar is a non-free archive format created by Rarsoft. For instructions on accessing .rar files through the Archive Manager view https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FileCompression. There is a free (as in speech) unrar utility as well, see !info unrar-free
[03:13] <scott__> I amyes
[03:14] <arunkale> !info unrar-free
[03:14] <ubotu> unrar-free: Unarchiver for .rar files. In component universe, is optional. Version 1:0.0.1+cvs20060609-1 (feisty), package size 17 kB, installed size 80 kB
[03:14] <Dragnslcr> scott__- install the kubuntu-desktop package then
[03:14] <Dragnslcr> With either apt-get or Synaptic
[03:14] <scott__> is the package under add/remove programs?
[03:15] <arunkale> scott_ use adept
[03:15] <Dragnslcr> Dunno offhand. I haven't used Gnome on Ubuntu
[03:15] <arunkale> or synaptic
[03:15] <ronin_> Does anyone know why Gparted will not allow me to resize the current partition that Kubuntu is on?
[03:15] <Dragnslcr> ronin_- I'm pretty sure you can't mess with the partitions of a mounted drive
[03:16] <scott__> what is the package listed under....under synaptic?
[03:16] <Dragnslcr> ronin_- best thing to do in that case is to boot from the live CD
[03:16] <mecannotread> ronin   i gues because kubuntu is running on the partition that you want to resize
[03:16] <ronin_> Oh really? I guess I got used to partitionmagic on the windows side which could do that.
[03:16] <Dragnslcr> scott__- it's called kubuntu-desktop
[03:16] <ronin_> gparted live CD?  Bah, of all the time not to have blank discs. I'm on vacation!
[03:17] <mecannotread> ronin I think you will mess up kubuntu if you have  a dual boot pc
[03:17] <Dragnslcr> ronin_- you can use an Ubuntu CD
[03:17] <Dragnslcr> The CD that you installed from has parted on it
[03:17] <scott__> that should do it....I found it under synaptic
[03:17] <scott__> thanks
[03:18] <Dragnslcr> It should, anyway. I know the DVD does
[03:18] <scott__> have a great day...
[03:18] <Dragnslcr> No problem, scott__
[03:18] <ronin_> I had to  apt-get Gparted. Not a problem though.
[03:18] <ronin_> mecannonread: Why so?
[03:19] <Dragnslcr> ronin_- yeah, you have to install it with Adept, but the package should be on the CD
[03:19] <mecannotread> I had that experience already by messing up my partitions
[03:20] <ronin_> I always read that you're supposed to install Linux first, then install Windows? Or am I backwards?
[03:20] <mecannotread> ronin  I mean using it to change partition..
[03:21] <mecannotread> Ronin   to make a dual boot I installed windows first. but i had a empty partition for linux
[03:22] <ronin_> Ahhh. I was thinking booting into the live CD, then resizing the current partition and splitting it to two, then installing windows on the newly resized half. Will that not work?
[03:23] <mecannotread> Ronin I think soo.. but I  was you ask for second opinion to be sure
[03:23] <arunkale> ok i'll be right back.. thanks for all your help people
[03:23] <mecannotread> arunkale : ok bye
[03:23] <ronin_> Okay, thanks for your help.
[03:24] <ronin_> Anyone else know if my plan is a good or bad idea?
[03:24] <sash> what plan?
[03:26] <ronin_> Booting into the liveCD, resizing my Kubuntu partition which currently takes up most of the drive, and installing Windows?
[03:28] <server_> psotfix dont understand there prosedure how to
[03:28] <server_> postfix&
[03:28] <server_> you no any apt-get command to install it on to the server
[03:29] <ronin_> I'm sorry, I'm kind of a noob.
[03:29] <ronin_> Still learning myself
[03:29] <server_> ok got it lol
[03:31] <mecannotread> ronin i am learing too just like you..
[03:35] <Dr_willis> Read, read, read, explore, learn, reread. :) break things, fix things... read some more.
[03:38] <sushant> hi all
[03:38] <mecannotread>  hai sushant
[03:38] <sushant> hi
[03:39] <shiv_j> what i sthe equivalent of gdmflexiserver in kubuntu?
[03:39] <Dr_willis> !find gdmflexi
[03:39] <ubotu> Package/file gdmflexi does not exist in feisty
[03:39] <Dr_willis> Interesting
[03:39] <Dr_willis> !find gdm
[03:39] <stdin> what is gdmflexiserver ?
[03:40] <ubotu> Found: feisty-gdm-themes, gdm, blubuntu-gdm-theme, edgy-gdm-themes, gdm-themes (and 3 others)
[03:40] <shiv_j> stdin: I am trying to use this tutorial http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=130322&highlight=dell+700m+external+VGA
[03:40] <shiv_j> stdin: see at the botton
[03:40] <Dr_willis> Somting ive not heard about in ages stdin  :)
[03:40] <Dr_willis>  which gdmflexiserver
[03:40] <Dr_willis> /usr/bin/gdmflexiserver
[03:41] <Dr_willis> Its installed on my system. :)
[03:41] <Dr_willis> no idea where it came from
[03:41] <Dr_willis> part of the ubuntu-desktop pacakges would be my guess.
[03:41] <shiv_j> Dr_willis: let me see
[03:42] <sushant> no its not probably
[03:42] <sushant> what is it ?
[03:42] <mecannotread> ??? fdmflexiserver
[03:42] <sushant> gdmflexiserver ?
[03:42] <mecannotread> i mean gdmflexiserver... sounds familiar in my ears
[03:43] <sushant> hmm
[03:43] <shiv_j> I am onpure  kubuntu not ubuntu
[03:43] <sushant> so am i
[03:44] <Dr_willis> I always install ubuntu-desktop and other stuff. :)
[03:44] <sushant> kubuntu is the best anyways
[03:45] <Dr_willis> this is linux.. best is what you want to use.. :)
[03:45] <sushant> yup
[03:47] <shiv_j> how do I use/modify bottom part of this for kubuntu?
[03:47] <shiv_j> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HowtoSetupExternalMonitorForIntel915?highlight=%28CategoryHardware%29
[03:50] <Dr_willis> you would either have to start usng gdm. or find the equilivent settings in the kdmrc config file.
[03:51] <stdin> you could try asking the #kde guys if they know how to do that, because I have no clue :p
[03:51] <Dr_willis> ive never seen multpile server layouts used befor. :) well not from gdm/kdm. Just from the command line
[03:56] <ronin_> Perhaps someone will know why this happens. Sometimes, whether I apt-get or they were installed when I first installed the OS, some programs don't show up in the K menu. Like Kmail for instance. Is there a way I can get it there, instead of having to run it from Konsole?
[03:57] <dimmy> hi all ubuntu users
[03:57] <ronin_> Hiya.
[03:58] <stdin> ronin_: try running "kbuildsycoca", that normally repopulates the menu
[03:59] <sushant> hi ronin
[03:59] <Karti> Hi all, I have a script problem is someone could perchance have a look -http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/32617/ it is only a basic backup script that I am using cron for
[03:59] <sushant> since you are using KDE
[03:59] <sushant> when you click the kmenu
[03:59] <sushant> if you want to add some program on that menu
[03:59] <Karti> When I run the script it works, when I cron it misses out the tar and the mv part
[03:59] <sushant> then go to the submenu where u want to add
[04:00] <sushant> your program
[04:00] <sushant> right click on that menuitem and say edit item
[04:00] <sushant> then you can add a menu item to that folder by giving the command that you give on the Konsole
[04:01] <sushant> try it, may be it will solve your problem
[04:02] <stdin> Karti: where are you putting the script ?
[04:02] <Karti> stdin: I have for the moment kept in in my home folder and added an entry in the /etc/crontab
[04:03] <ronin_> Oh okay, thanks sushant.   I'll try that for different things. I was just under the impression that most apps would go there automatically
[04:03] <stdin> Karti: if you add it to the system crontab then it gets run by root, so ~/.... would be /root, not /home/YOU
[04:03] <ronin_> stdin: running that on Konsole gives an error saying there's no database. Lemme copy and paste..
[04:04] <stdin> Karti: the user has it's own crontab, open up use kcron to edit it :)
[04:04] <ronin_> kbuildsycoca running...
[04:04] <ronin_> Reusing existing ksycoca
[04:04] <ronin_> kio (KSycoca): ERROR: No database available!
[04:04] <Dr_willis> yea. using ~ and other shortcuts in crontab is not a good idea. full paths :) are the way tto go
[04:04] <stdin> ronin_: did you run it as your user or as root?
[04:05] <ronin_> user I suppose. Should I sudo it>'?
[04:05] <stdin> ronin_: no, as your user, try running "kbuildsycoca --noincremental"
[04:05] <Karti> stdin: ahh I see, will investigate....ta
[04:05] <stdin> :)
[04:06] <ronin_> Still gives me the Error: no database available
[04:06] <server_> when the says specify onely the follwing in a cf files do i put it in or no
[04:07] <stdin> ronin_: hmm, did it work tho, is the menu entry there?
[04:08] <ronin_> stdin: Afraid not.
[04:08] <stdin> ronin_: try "dcop kicker kicker restart"
[04:10] <wiktor> hi there :)
[04:10] <ronin_> stdin: flickered my screen, but no new entries
[04:10] <stdin> ronin_: what did you install that's not showing ?
[04:10] <wiktor> can anybody help me with mplayer??
[04:12] <ronin_> Kmail. I actually didn't install it. I think it came with my kubuntu install, but it isn't indicated anywhere. However, if I konsole it, it runs and adept shows it as installed
[04:12] <stdin> wiktor: ask the question
[04:12] <stdin> ronin_: I think that's part of kontact
[04:13] <wiktor> my english is very poor so i'm sorry for any mistakes ;)
[04:13] <stdin> ronin_: you can add that to the menu (or add a button to the panel)
[04:13] <wiktor> when i start film in mplayer
[04:13] <boris__> you are good with enlish
[04:13] <stdin> !pl
[04:13] <ubotu> Mozesz uzyskac pomoc w jezyku polskim na #ubuntu-pl
[04:14] <wiktor> picture is delayed to the sound
[04:14] <wiktor> why?
[04:14] <ronin_> Wow I feel dumb. I'll just use Kontact then.
[04:14] <ronin_> or install Thunderbird
[04:14] <ronin_> Thanks for giving me a hand with that.
[04:15] <trekdanne> wiktor: it may be the file's fault
[04:15] <trekdanne> have you tried playing it with something else than mplayer?
[04:16] <wiktor> trekdanne: yes i have tried with windows applications and file is good
[04:16] <stdin> try kaffeine maybe?
[04:17] <wiktor> with kaffeine is the same problem
[04:17] <wiktor> but only some films have delay not everyone
[04:17] <stdin> what type of file is it?
[04:17] <trekdanne> you can manually adjust the A/V delay with +/-
[04:17] <trekdanne> in mplayer
[04:18] <wiktor> avi and rmvb
[04:19] <Karti> stdin: many thanks, all sorted now......cheers
[04:19] <trekdanne> the avi file, is that xvid or divx?
[04:19] <stdin> Karti: no problem :)
[04:19] <wiktor> manually....but just once or in every movie ?
[04:19] <trekdanne> although i think the support for both is pretty good
[04:19] <trekdanne> in every movie...
[04:20] <wiktor> stdin: i don't know
[04:20] <trekdanne> not a good solution, I know
[04:20] <ronin_> wiktor do you have all the codecs including medibuntu repositories?
[04:20] <wiktor> ronin_: yes
[04:21] <ronin_> Ahhh okay.  Hmmm... I don't know much about the realmedia ones, but for AVIs Kaffine works pretty well. All of mine on here now are Xvids. Not sure if DivX would be any different
[04:22] <ronin_> Kaffine uses the Xine engine I think....
[04:22] <wiktor> yes xine
[04:22] <trekdanne> yea that's correct
[04:22] <ronin_> adept xine and see if there's anything that looks like its missing?
[04:22] <trekdanne> however mplayer uses FFmpeg
[04:23] <wiktor> also some films with rmvb extension have no picture just sound in kaffeine and mplayer
[04:23] <ronin_> Now that sounds like a real media video codec issue.
[04:24] <ronin_> Poke around on the repositories for anything pertaining to them would be my newbie advice.  Sorry, I don't know any foo that would instantly fix the issue
[04:25] <jhutchins> wiktor: Some real media stuff just doesn't play on anything but realplayer.
[04:25] <l12dy> you need win32codes
[04:25] <wiktor> hmmm...strange...in totem the same rmvb files have sound and picture
[04:25] <wiktor> w32codecs are on the board
[04:25] <trekdanne> never had any problem with mplayer + win32codecs
[04:25] <trekdanne> including rmvb
[04:26] <l12dy> apt-get totem-xine may fix it
[04:26] <Cannoli> zomg
[04:26] <Cannoli> zog
[04:26] <Cannoli> an error occured
[04:26] <Cannoli> while commiting a partition!
[04:26] <Cannoli> im scared
[04:26] <Cannoli> !partition
[04:26] <ubotu> Partitioning programs: !GParted or QTParted (also "man mkfs" for formatting) - Mounting partitions in Gnome under Dapper: System -> Administration -> Disks - For Edgy, see !fstab and !DiskMounter
[04:26] <Cannoli> !qtparted
[04:26] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about qtparted - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:27] <wiktor> maybe i try install mplayer+w32codec once more
[04:27] <Cannoli> !QTParted
[04:27] <wiktor> thanks guys
[04:27] <trekdanne> both xine and mplayer uses the same codecs for xvid avi files so i dunno really strange
[04:27] <Cannoli> !QTParted
[04:27] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about qtparted - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:27] <Cannoli> !GParted
[04:27] <ubotu> GParted is is a !GUI partitioning program. Type  sudo apt-get install gparted  in a console to install it - A GParted "live" CD is available at http://gparted.sourceforge.net/livecd.php
[04:27] <jhutchins> Cannoli: The bot doesn't have anything on QTParted, or there would have been a ! before it in the !partition factoid.
[04:28] <Cannoli> oh true
[04:28] <Cannoli> srry
[04:28] <jhutchins> np.
[04:28] <Cannoli> can u help me please
[04:28] <Cannoli> i got an error in qtparted while it was commiting a partition
[04:29] <Cannoli> it didnt say what the error was
[04:29] <trekdanne> hmm, i think you can click something like "detailed information"
[04:29] <jhutchins> Hmmm.  Good reason not to use a GUI partition tool.
[04:29] <trekdanne> and get a log from parted
[04:30] <jhutchins> trekdanne: Where would the live CD write a parted log?
[04:30] <mrksbrd> anyone know why this is kicking back this error???????..........
[04:30] <mrksbrd> E: /var/cache/apt/archives/lg3d-jdk_1.6.0+b104_i386.deb: subprocess pre-installation script returned error exit status 1
[04:31] <stdin> mrksbrd: you'd have to post the whole log
[04:31] <Cannoli> dam
[04:31] <stdin> mrksbrd: to pastebin
[04:31] <Cannoli> nthis is not good
[04:31] <jhutchins> I would guess that the pre-install script in the RPM returned an error.
[04:31] <Cannoli> gotta restart
[04:31] <Cannoli> im scarfed
[04:31] <mrksbrd> k
[04:31] <jhutchins> Methinks somebody didn't make backups before messing with his disk partitions.
[04:32] <trekdanne> nobody does
[04:32] <wolferine> anyone have VNC hooked up (winvnc) to a windows box, I want to match some settings?
[04:32] <Dr_willis> i vnc backand forth all the time. :)
[04:32] <Dr_willis> rarely need to mess with settings.
[04:32] <jhutchins> wolferine: No windows here.
[04:32] <wolferine> but do u use winvnc Dr_willis ?
[04:33] <Dr_willis> ive used winvnc, and ultravnc, and the original vnc, on windows befor.
[04:33] <wolferine> seems I cannot get mouse control
[04:33] <Dr_willis> i perfer the ultravnc server for windows
[04:33] <Assid> hrmm.. beryl slows down the graphics like crazy
[04:33] <wolferine> im sure you do :)
[04:33] <wolferine> Dr_willis, can I confirm settings with you, or is it not running atm?
[04:34] <Dr_willis> Not at the moment.
[04:34] <Assid> hrmm.. whats a good vnc server i can run on linux that gets booted with X ? so i can even login remotely
[04:34] <Dr_willis> Ive always just used the drfaults. theres various read only options. but ive enver used them
[04:34] <Dr_willis> Assid,  you need to set up vncserver to do that.. dependoing on your exact needs
[04:34] <ronin_> !flgrx
[04:34] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about flgrx - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:34] <wolferine> thanks Dr_willis have a nice day
[04:34] <Dr_willis> vnc4server is my fave for linux.
[04:34] <ronin_> !ATI
[04:34] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[04:35] <Assid> can it be setup as soon as you boot into X
[04:35] <Dr_willis> to get a remote Linux Desktop on a windows box (local lan) i often use that xming program.
[04:35] <Assid> cause sometimes i just call home and ask someone to boot up the box..
[04:35] <Dr_willis> Assid,  you want to always share your currently running desktop?  I dont use vncthatway. i set it up to run alternative desktops in thebackground
[04:35] <Dr_willis> Assid,  i normally ssh in, run vncserver, then connect.
[04:36] <Dr_willis> no need for X to even be running on the remote box.
[04:36] <Dr_willis> plus it wouldbe a bit faster
[04:36] <Assid> i have to login from my cell phone at times, and doing all that over GPRS would just take too long
[04:36] <Dr_willis> vnc on a cell phone?
[04:37] <Assid> err yes
[04:37] <Dr_willis> thats... scary :)
[04:37] <Assid> or at times through my fiends' pc
[04:37] <Assid> really depends where i am and what i want
[04:37] <Dr_willis> having vnc open to the wild-and-wooly internet - is a bit scary also. :)
[04:37] <Dr_willis> i only use it on my local lan.
[04:38] <Assid> right but i do want it the net.. and i need it on boot cause they only start the machine.. thats pretty much it
[04:40] <mrksbrd> sorry had to reboot.....but that was the full error msg rec'd
[04:40] <Dr_willis> could always spawn one from the rc.local
[04:40] <Dr_willis> vnc is very flexiable. your needs ar enotthe same as mine. :) so what you want to do exactly- depends.. on what you want it to do.
[04:41] <Dr_willis> ive had it where i can just vncviewer boxip:port# and it would spawn a vncsercer session as needed.
[04:41] <wolferine> still talking about it?
[04:41] <wolferine> lol
[04:41] <Dr_willis> but that was not a presistant vncserver session
[04:41] <Dr_willis> when i logged out . it closed.
[04:41] <Dr_willis> Other times i set up vnc, and a light window manager, to just run ktorrent. so i got it going in the bg. and not bothered by anything else.
[04:41] <mrksbrd> sauvin u still there?
[04:42] <Assid> hrmm.. okay will play with it
[04:42] <Assid> err. i dont have system>administration
[04:42] <Assid> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia <-- i cant follow this
[04:43] <Dr_willis> i always just install the restricted-manager package, and let it install the nvidia drivers
[04:43] <stdin> Assid: why?
[04:43] <Assid> stdin: there is no system > administration
[04:44] <stdin> Assid: that's for gnome, you can either install the restricted-manager or follow the Edgy instructions
[04:45] <Dr_willis> restricted-manager, is proberly the easiest way i know of.
[04:45] <x_link> Hi
[04:45] <Assid> installing that now
[04:45] <x_link> Anybody using LimeWire here?
[04:45] <Dr_willis> sudo apt-get install restricted-manager  && sudo restricted-manager
[04:45] <trekdanne> hi x_link
[04:45] <Dr_willis> x_link,  i normally use the alternative to it
[04:45] <Dr_willis> !limewire
[04:45] <ubotu> limewire is a popular P2P client running on the Gnutella network. To get it running, install !java first, then download Limewire from http://www.limewire.com/LimeWireSoftOther and finally run runLime.sh. Consider !FrostWire as an alternative.
[04:46] <Dr_willis> I like Frostwire
[04:46] <Dr_willis> !frostwire
[04:46] <ubotu> frostwire is a totally open source version of Limewire.  For installation help, please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FrostWire
[04:46] <stdin> Dr_willis: shouldn't that be kdesu (or gksudo)
[04:46] <Dr_willis> stdin,  not noticed it mattering much.
[04:46] <x_link> Dr_willis: I just installed a .deb file, then I tried to load LimeWire but it didn't work.
[04:46] <x_link> I used the exact same file when I used Debian and it worked.
[04:46] <Dr_willis> x_link,  dont just download 'deb' files. :) its best to use the repos. or follow the guides
[04:46] <Assid> everything is enabled and in use
[04:46] <x_link> Dr_willis: sudo aptitude install sun-java5-jre
[04:46] <x_link> Dr_willis: sudo aptitude install sun-java5-plugin
[04:46] <x_link> I installed that as well.-
[04:46] <x_link> ok
[04:46] <Dr_willis> 'dident work' - what dident work?
[04:46] <Dr_willis> !dontwork
[04:46] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about dontwork - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:47] <Dr_willis> !wontwork
[04:47] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about wontwork - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:47] <Dr_willis> heh.
[04:47] <x_link> Dr_willis: LimeWire started loading, but then it just dissapeared.
[04:47] <Dr_willis> run it from the shell, check the output
[04:47] <Dr_willis> Its possible your java is not set to use the sun java, but is usin the gjc java
[04:47] <Dr_willis> chekck your java -version
[04:48] <stdin> IIRC limewire runs from /bin/sh but needs /bin/bash
[04:48] <Dr_willis> stdin,  i 'think' they fixed that. but that may of been frostwire
[04:48] <Dr_willis> plus if its an older package.. it may nbot be fixed
[04:48] <Assid> i dont see a nvidia-glx directory in my kernel modules libdir .. i do see a nvidia_new and nvidia_legacy
[04:48] <Dr_willis> java -version ---> java version "1.6.0_01"   --> Java(TM) SE Runtime Environment (build 1.6.0_01-b06)
[04:48] <x_link> Dr_willis: Okej
[04:49] <Assid> restricted-manager says im already running the nvidia accelerated drivers
[04:49] <Dr_willis> Assid,  check your xorg.conf ?
[04:49] <x_link> Dr_willis: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/32630/
[04:49] <Assid> Dr_willis: what driver does it use ? nvidia ?
[04:50] <Dr_willis> grep nvidia /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[04:50] <Dr_willis>         Driver          "nvidia"
[04:50] <Assid> yes.. i changed it to nvidia myself
[04:50] <Dr_willis> x_link,  dont look like ya got java installed right.
[04:50] <Assid> and and also load "glx" and load "dbe"
[04:50] <Dr_willis> !java
[04:50] <ubotu> To install a Java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java - For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the !Multiverse repository. Enable the backports repository on Edgy to install sun-java6-jre. Please don't use Adept to install Java if you are on Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy) or earlier.
[04:51] <Dr_willis> I always use ---> sudo apt-get install install sun-java6-jre
[04:51] <x_link> Dr_willis: Hmm ok
[04:51] <Assid> also added: Option          "AddARGBGLXVisuals" "True" to my "Screen"
[04:51] <x_link> Dr_willis: I did sudo aptitude install sun-java5-jre and sudo aptitude install sun-java5-plugin
[04:51] <x_link> Dr_willis: Should I remove that and install sun-java6-jre instead?
[04:51] <Dr_willis> i dont use 5 any more. :) i use 6
[04:51] <Dr_willis> no idea if they conflict or not.. proberly not
[04:52] <x_link> Dr_willis: It worked with 5 in Debian.
[04:52] <x_link> Should I remove 5 before installing 6?
[04:52] <Dr_willis> theres the update-alternatives feature . so they shouldent ocnflict.
[04:52] <Dr_willis> remove them if ya want..
[04:52] <x_link> ok
[04:52] <Assid> AddARGBGLXVisuals is that supposed to be in screens or device ?
[04:53] <Dr_willis> Assid,  ive never noticed. :)
[04:53] <Steven_Laptop> hello all, Quick ? were can I find a good sources.list and a howto to get them keys working
[04:53] <x_link> Dr_willis: sun-java6-jre and sun-java6-plugin
[04:53] <Dr_willis> grep AddARGBGLXVisuals  /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[04:53] <Dr_willis>         Option          "AddARGBGLXVisuals"     "True"
[04:53] <Dr_willis> is in mine.
[04:53] <x_link> Dr_willis: That's all I need right?
[04:53] <Assid> yes.. but where ?
[04:53] <stdin> !source-o-matic | Steven_Laptop
[04:53] <ubotu> Steven_Laptop: source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[04:53] <Assid> is that in screen ? or device
[04:53] <Dr_willis> x_link,  no idea. I imagine so however.
[04:53] <x_link> Dr_willis: ok
[04:54] <x_link> Installing it now.
[04:54] <Assid> Dr_willis: some places say its suposed to be in device .. some places show me in screen
[04:54] <Dr_willis> mine is under the DEVICE section
[04:55] <x_link> Dr_willis: Done..
[04:55] <Dr_willis>         Option          "AddARGBVisuals"        "True"
[04:55] <Dr_willis>         Option          "AddARGBGLXVisuals"     "True"
[04:55] <x_link> Dr_willis: You said I should use a repo, but I can't find LimeWire in the Kubuntu repo?
[04:55] <Dr_willis> !frostwire
[04:55] <ubotu> frostwire is a totally open source version of Limewire.  For installation help, please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FrostWire
[04:55] <Dr_willis> check the guides for frostwire and limewire. (i sugggest using frostwire)
[04:55] <x_link> ok
[04:56] <Dr_willis> using Mint Linux here. :) its in the mint repos. heh.
[04:56] <Dr_willis> Get:1 http://www.linuxmint.com cassandra/ frostwire 4.13.1-7 [7139kB] 
[04:57] <Dr_willis> but thats proberly a 'no no' for official tech support in this channel
[04:57] <ronin_> Dear god... I think... I think I got ATI to work
[04:57] <Steven_Laptop> thanks
[04:59] <misio> dzie dobry
[04:59] <x_link> Dr_willis: I will see if it works now
[04:59] <Assid> Dr_willis: okay gonna see if those things help out
[04:59] <Assid> brb
[05:00] <misio_zaglady> does anybody know how to expand virtual hard disk space in virtualbox?
[05:00] <misio_zaglady> i ran off
[05:00] <x_link> Dr_willis: Still doesn't work. It's just loading then it dissapears
[05:02] <misio_zaglady> Does anybody know how to expand virtual hard disk space in virtualbox?
[05:02] <stdin> misio_zaglady: try asking in #vbox
[05:03] <misio_zaglady> thx
[05:03] <x_link> Dr_willis: It doesn't work =/
[05:03] <Assid> okay back
[05:04] <Assid> Dr_willis: okay i did those.. and some stuff from some forums.. and it seems to be a bit better
[05:04] <Assid> not sure if its cause i restarted X either
[05:04] <Assid> but my glx gears just went up
[05:04] <adenicio> HOW TO INSTALL .TAR.TAR FILES
[05:05] <adenicio> ,
[05:05] <adenicio> ?
[05:05] <stdin> !tar
[05:05] <ubotu> Files with extensions .tar, .gz, .tgz, .zip, .bz2, .7z, .ace and other archive file formats can be opened with ark - also see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FileCompression
[05:06] <x_link> Dr_willis: FrostWire works though. But not LimeWire
[05:06] <x_link> Really odd.
[05:07] <adenicio>  stdin:yes i know it cant be open by ark but when i try to convert to deb it fails.so i want to know how to install the files wa in the .tar
[05:08] <Assid> hrmm i should make the iso from this dvd and mount it..
[05:08] <stdin> adenicio: convert what to deb?
[05:08] <Assid> i cant keep running after the disc everytime it needs sometihng
[05:08] <adenicio> stdin: the files wa in the tar compres folder
[05:10] <stdin> adenicio: what are you trying to install?
[05:10] <mcd> Hi newbie here, how do I copy a wallpaper to usr/share/wallper - Konqueror says access denied - help.......
[05:11] <stdin> mcd: why do you need to?
[05:11] <adenicio> stdin: samba
[05:11] <stdin> adenicio: samba is in the repositories
[05:11] <mcd> like one i found
[05:11] <runlevelten> mcd, you can just copy to your user's own wallpaper folder, y'know :)
[05:12] <Assid> err what libraries do i need to get k3b to support mp3 ? it says mad mp3 decoding library.. i did that but still same issue
[05:12] <stdin> mcd: you don't need to, just navigate to the directory you saved the image and choose it
[05:12] <mcd> yes tried that but said access denied would not let me
[05:12] <runlevelten> just copy it to your home folder's .kde/share/wallpapers
[05:12] <stdin> Assid: libk3b2-mp3
[05:13] <runlevelten>  /usr/share/wallpaper is not your user's wallpaper folder. It is the system-wide wallpaper folder :)
[05:13] <mcd> newbie here not sure how to do that - sorry
[05:13] <runlevelten> point konqueror to this :
[05:13] <Assid> thanks stdin
[05:13] <runlevelten> ~/.kde/share/wallpapers
[05:13] <Assid> i need some new wallpapers :(
[05:13] <BluesKaj> Assid: and for mp3 om Amarok : sudo apt-get install libxine-extracodecs
[05:14] <BluesKaj> on
[05:14] <runlevelten> if it doesn't exist, point it at ~/.kde/share and create a new directory called wallpapers :)
[05:14] <Assid> BluesKaj: yeah got amarok working already
[05:14] <BluesKaj> cool
[05:14] <Assid> thanks
[05:14] <adenicio> stdin: it takes 2h to download and install i dont have dsl.and when i reaches to the part it install adept does crash so im not shore if the thing i download does be workin properly
[05:14] <runlevelten> you can usually just right click on the image and choose use as wallpaper you know :)
[05:14] <Assid> err.. k3b can make iso files right?
[05:14] <mcd> so how do i point konqueror to :
[05:15] <runlevelten> mcd: ~/.kde/share/wallpapers
[05:15] <slobodan> hi there
[05:15] <mcd> runleveten - will try that thx
[05:15] <runlevelten> mcd: if it doesn't exist, point it at ~/.kde/share and create a new directory called wallpapers :)
[05:15] <trekdanne> !hi | slobodan
[05:15] <ubotu> slobodan: Hi! Welcome to #kubuntu!
[05:15] <runlevelten> np :)
[05:15] <stdin> adenicio: the file you downloaded is probably a source package anyway, so you'd have to compile it. just open konsole and type in "sudo apt-get install samba"
[05:16] <slobodan> can someone help me with the internet connection problem...
[05:16] <mcd> runlevelten - the rt/clk set as wall... worked thx much
[05:17] <Assid> how do i get k3b to make an iso ???
[05:17] <runlevelten> mcd: good stuff. :)
[05:17] <adenicio> stdin: i hate to wait 2hour for something to download.i have the pakage from the web site samba there i just cant install it insted of waiting 2h for samba to download and install.and it cant even crash on me
[05:17] <mcd> yup - i'm through with windozzzzzeeee
[05:17] <runlevelten> I use the .kde/share/wallpapers to link to my wallpaper cache on new installations
[05:17] <stdin> Assid: tell it to only make an iso, when you go to burn it
[05:17] <Assid> only create image ?
[05:17] <mcd> great
[05:17] <Assid> okay i think thats it
[05:18] <mcd> would like to learn more about using konsole any suggestions or sites you like?
[05:18] <runlevelten> adenicio: so you downloaded it to compile and configure manually, to save yourself the trouble of downloading it to install and configure automatically?
[05:18] <runlevelten> adenicio: I like your thinking, my man.
[05:18] <runlevelten> ;P
[05:18] <slobodan> Konqueror, kmail and akregator are acting like there is no internet connection, but I am connected (like you see :) ) and other programs like adept firefox kopete are working fine. Does anyone seems to know what the problem is?
[05:19] <stdin> adenicio: if you've already downloaded it in adept then you won't have to download it again, and like I said; you will have downloaded the source, so you'd have to download the compiling tools and dependencies anyway
[05:19] <trekdanne> mcd: Linux Documentation Project got some good bash introductions IIRC
[05:19] <pag> slobodan, knetworkmanager.  (ok, I'm not sure - but it has caused problems like that)
[05:19] <Assid> brilliant.. now if only the same fonts would be used for peoples website.. it wont look squashed
[05:19] <Assid> somehow arial looks sucky on X
[05:19] <adenicio> runlevelten: i download samba by a friend on xp wa take 2mn.and to install a file manualy will help me who is a begingner to understand surtain things
[05:20] <mcd> trekdanne - will do a googlle at google.com/linux thx
[05:20] <runlevelten> mcd, the shell is called "bash". There are loads of great howtos and tutorials if you google :)
[05:20] <runlevelten> mcd, and some not so good. If you find one doesn't make sense to you, try another one.
[05:20] <mcd> sweet - that's what i'm talk'n about
[05:20] <adenicio> runlevelten: sorry for the bad speling im not so good in riten english
[05:20] <slobodan> @pag I tried to connect thru kppp and knetworkmanager too but it's the same... do U mean to turn it off?
[05:21] <adenicio> pag:i download nintendo ds emulator where did it go to im not seing it
[05:21] <pag> slobodan, exactly
[05:21] <adenicio> pleas
[05:21] <mcd> i luv this stuff - it's fun again on a computer... :o)
[05:21] <runlevelten> mcd: that is *exactly* it.
[05:21] <pag> adenicio, I have no idea at all - tried konsole already?
[05:22] <runlevelten> gnu/linux = fun computing.
[05:22] <adenicio> mcd:tru but head breakin when somethings dont work and u just want to break your pc :-)
[05:22] <adenicio> pag: how u do it wit konsole?
[05:22] <runlevelten> adenicio: I see, you want to investigate, well I can't argue with that :)
[05:22] <mcd> yup - but i think it will be well worth it in long haul
[05:23] <runlevelten> adenicio: it's not the quickest way to a waorking setup today though, you know that, right?
[05:23] <runlevelten> *working.
[05:23] <slobodan> PAG U R my MAN! :) ... sorry for shouting................  f*c!?ng knetworkmanager!
[05:23] <mcd> ya know what they say - some things you gotta work at you appreciate more
[05:23] <runlevelten> mcd: Set it up right, it'll tend to work for a very very long time.
[05:23] <pag> adenicio, " which $packagename " tells what's the name of binary, then simply run the binaty
[05:24] <runlevelten> I know of systems still running without issue that I set up in 1996.
[05:24] <runlevelten> Not like web servers or something though, heh.
[05:24] <mcd> i can think of allot of negatives about windows compared to linux - one for sure is being able to be on the net without worring about spyware etc.
[05:24] <slobodan> pag U have beer from me ;)
[05:25] <adenicio> runlevelten: yeah but if something goes wrong(we all know feisty is not stabale)yesterday adep wasnt working n i didnt had synaptic so if i needed it i willl atlese know how to instal it manualy
[05:25] <adenicio> :)
[05:25] <renato> hello everyone, I installed firefox a while ago (feisty), but everytime I want to upload something, say a picture to a website I get the lousy Ubuntu file manager thing, and I want it to open the one that konqueror does, which shows previews of photos and everything, anyone any thoughs on how to change that behavior in firefiox?
[05:25] <pag> slobodan, then you'd go to jail - I'm not 18 yet ;) But thank you for the nice thought :)
[05:26] <pag> slobodan, it's nice to hear everything is working now :)
[05:26] <mcd> cya ya all thx for the help
[05:26] <runlevelten> later mcd - have fun
[05:26] <trekdanne> renato: unfortunately i think there is no way to do that
[05:26] <mcd> you too - its great out here
[05:26] <slobodan> @pag... well in some countries beer are categorised as FOOD :)
[05:27] <runlevelten> adenicio: I'm not sure feisty is particularly unstable, but then I am incredibly anally retentive about looking after my systems.
[05:27] <renato> I was under the impresion that it was different back when I had dapper trekdanne, or is it just me?
[05:27] <runlevelten> adenicio: I appreciate and completely applaud that you want to investigate and learn. 10 points to you, sir. xD
[05:27] <stdin> renato: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=110353 :)
[05:28] <runlevelten> adenicio: have you successfully extracted the contents of the tarball?
[05:28] <adenicio> runlevelten: tarball???wa is that?
[05:28] <renato> ahhhhh, thanks a lot stdin, just what I was looking for
[05:29] <trekdanne> however those are just tricks to get gtk looking kde-ish
[05:29] <runlevelten> you said you had a .tar file.
[05:29] <stdin> renato: no prob :)
[05:29] <renato> see, I knew it was possible
[05:29] <renato> cool
[05:29] <runlevelten> that's a tarball
[05:29] <stdin> adenicio: tar = tarball
[05:29] <trekdanne> renato: ah my bad
[05:29] <adenicio> runlevelten: i'll be back going to look for my bleutoot to try the wiimote on linux :)
[05:29] <runlevelten> heh. OK
[05:30] <harmental> hey guys...why is the logoff screen so ugly?? is there any way to change it?
[05:31] <Ahmuck> ! dev
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[05:32] <Ahmuck> i essentials
[05:32] <Ahmuck> ! essentials
[05:32] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about essentials - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:32] <Ahmuck> ! source
[05:32] <ubotu> You can easily fetch a package's source with apt-get. See: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ch-sourcehandling.en.html
[05:32] <Ahmuck> ! build
[05:32] <ubotu> Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for pre-built !packages first: not all !repositories are enabled by default!)
[05:39] <trekdanne> hmm what are your opinions on debian-based livecds/livedvds? is knoppix still best?
[05:41] <ksivaji> echo \n is not able to break a line please tell me is there any other command to break line
[05:43] <pag> ksivaji, echo -e "test \ntest"
[05:43] <trekdanne> echo with arguments should do the trick too
[05:43] <trekdanne> without i mean
[05:45] <ubuntu_> hello
[05:46] <ksivaji> pag great
[05:46] <runlevelten> whose oponions trekdanne?
[05:47] <trekdanne> livecds
[05:47] <Assid> searchbar ?
[05:47] <chaKKo_1521> http://www.pennergame.de/ref.php?uid=1521
[05:49] <exyan> anyone got any suggjestions on fonts? cause they look very sharp and all :/
[05:49] <Assid>  exyan anti aliasing
[05:49] <Assid> !antialias
[05:49] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about antialias - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:49] <Assid> !antialiasing
[05:49] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about antialiasing - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:49] <Assid> !anti aliasing
[05:49] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about anti aliasing - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:49] <Assid> sorry
[05:49] <exyan> Assid: I have antialiasing enabled..
[05:49] <Assid> try a different font
[05:50] <Assid> like sans-serif
[05:50] <trekdanne> hmm try winttf fonts
[05:50] <exyan> that is the font I'm using
[05:50] <Assid> arial looks crappy with me
[05:50] <runlevelten> freetype2 with sub-pixel hinting ftw.
[05:50] <exyan> is there a way to get win fonts?
[05:50] <Assid> too darn thing
[05:50] <Assid> exyan: msttfcore
[05:50] <Assid> runlevelten: how do i check its running ttf2?
[05:50] <Blissex> exyan: sharp fonts are good, if they are well shaped.
[05:51] <runlevelten> yeah. Pull them out of a windows Fonts folder using KDE font installer from kcontrol, or download the ms core fonts package.
[05:51] <Assid> arial and helvetica both look crap for me
[05:51] <Blissex> Assid: exyan: anyhow have a look at http://WWW.sabi.co.UK/Notes/linuxFonts.html
[05:51] <exyan> Blissex: they're ugly ;) and mess up some websites
[05:51] <adenicio> runlevelten: the ballthing u was talkin about?
[05:52] <Assid> bbl
[05:54] <runlevelten> assid - you'll be able to enable anti-aliasing in kcontrol
[05:55] <cplusplus> whats that mkfs.ext2: invalid fragment size - /dev/hda3 ?
[05:57] <Blissex> cplusplus: that means you did not pass the right options. You cannot specify a fragment size.
[05:57] <cplusplus> but is did the same for xfs and jfs and it worked!!!
[05:57] <cplusplus> i did mkfs.ext2 -f /dev/hda3
[05:58] <llutz> cplusplus: fragment size is missing
[05:58] <cplusplus> why is mkfs.xfs -f /dev/hda3 working?
[05:59] <llutz> cplusplus: read the corresponding man-pages
[05:59] <llutz> cplusplus: what do you expect "-f" to do?
[06:00] <runlevelten> Someone asked to see the Kmenu searchbar, here's a shot of it: http://www.mediafire.com/?1mdt2xyjx4d
[06:00] <runlevelten> What you can't see. is that it expands the menus as you type.
[06:02] <Dr_willis> its gotten to a point where we have so many program icons. we have to have search features now...
[06:03] <Dr_willis> does any one else just use a minimal menu, and launch most stuff from a terminal  like i do? :)
[06:03] <runlevelten> I have decided to install about 300 programs I might like to see in my GUI with my OS.
[06:03] <slasko> anyone know how to make permissions to a second hdd, to be able to wirte to it?
[06:04] <runlevelten> I do not want anyone to remove them arbitrarily. They are all meant to be there, because the user is not an idiot and decided to have them there :)
[06:04] <nicolai_> Dr_willis: I try to keep the number of applications to a minimum (except for Games, which is a mess a the moment)
[06:04] <pag> slasko, which FS? NTFS maybe?
[06:04] <slasko> im on ubuntu server with desktop installed, hdd is ext3
[06:05] <nicolai_> Dr_willis: But I do this by uninstalling things if they aren't 'critical', meaning if I do not really use them.
[06:05] <llutz> slasko: use chown/chmod to set permission
[06:05] <nicolai_> Dr_willis: I would probably use ALT + F2 instead of Konsole, though.
[06:06] <runlevelten> Good quote from someone in another project this morning. "you are not supposed to change things.. noone does that.. noone needs that - usability people know what you like"
[06:06] <Dr_willis> i always got a konsole open with ssh sessions to the various machines on my lan
[06:06] <nicolai_> runlevelten: what project and what context? :)
[06:06] <slasko> hmm? what should i write? chown hdb something?
[06:07] <Dr_willis> Im betting chown /dev/hdb is NOT what you are wanting to do..
[06:07] <Dr_willis> slasko,  for my 'data' drives i make a directory In them for the users and chown that dir.
[06:07] <runlevelten> KDE. Discussing removal of options as a lazy method of improving a UI.
[06:07] <Dr_willis> they dont need, or have access to the 'root' of the drive..
[06:07] <Dr_willis> BRB...
[06:08] <slasko> ok but i can not make directorys on this hdd
[06:09] <slasko> under permisions the owner is unknown
[06:09] <ksivaji> is it possible to convert openoffice,org word file into pdf file ?
[06:09] <pag> ksivaji, OOo Writer has "import to PDF" feature
[06:10] <runlevelten> nicolai_: The concept is simple. If someone has lots of apps on their system because they want lots of apps on their system, arbitrarily removing some from their menus is not improvement.
[06:10] <runlevelten> nicolai_: It's basically a bit mean.
[06:10] <runlevelten> Anyway.
[06:11] <nicolai_> runlevelten: Ahh. I was just explaining how I did it, not how anyone else should.
[06:13] <runlevelten> nicolai_: Ooh, I didn't think you were suggesting that! :D I just think it's important to remember that you don't improve an interface by removing options.
[06:13] <runlevelten> You improve an interface by improving its consistency, and its design, and testing it for usability on the public.
[06:13] <llutz> runlevelten: tell that to gnome-freaks :)
[06:14] <nicolai_> runlevelten: Personally I think a system has to be flexible, it should aim for a basic configuratio, but if it breaks due to user input, then something is wrong. I might not be a fixable wrong but it is still wrong.
[06:14] <runlevelten> So I feel it necessary to comment on the "many options are bad" assumption, because it begs the question.
[06:14] <jhutchins> ksivaji: Look under the File menu.
[06:15] <runlevelten> anyway, back on topic I guess :)
[06:15] <ksivaji> pag jhutchins ya i got it thank you
[06:15] <Dr_willis> slasko,  you make the initial dir with sudo mkdir storage
[06:16] <Dr_willis> then you can chown the 'storage' dir to be owned by whoever
[06:16] <nicolai_> runlevelten: Discussing KDE isn't completely offtopic though.
[06:16] <Dr_willis> slasko,  this IS a ext3 filesystem drive?
[06:16] <runlevelten> Ah, chattr!
[06:16] <jhutchins> I believe the proper way to set ownership of a mounted device is either with the mount command or in fstab.
[06:17] <jhutchins> I think we're doing a pretty good job of getting non-kde apps to appear in the menus.  It's not perfect yet, but it's better than it used to be.
[06:17] <Dr_willis> I never have figured out how to make a 'whole' disk owned by a user,  i always just make a directorym then chown that. Just as good. :) keeps the lost+found hidden from the user.
[06:17] <nicolai_> jhutchins: the chown command?
[06:18] <Dr_willis> you do not 'chown' a mount point normally.
[06:18] <jhutchins> nicolai_: No, the mount command or fstab.
[06:18] <Dr_willis> :)
[06:18] <ardchoille> wolferine: lol
[06:18] <wolferine> :)
[06:19] <Dr_willis> now you are 'bald largest member of the weasle faimly'
[06:19] <Dr_willis> :)
[06:19] <jhutchins> I know fat32/vfat allows a user and group to be defined at mount.
[06:19] <llutz> jhutchins: unix-fs use unix-rights, so why should one use mount-command to handle that?
[06:20] <Dr_willis> yea for ext2/3 and other linux fs's - it needs to be handled by the fs.
[06:20] <vge> !ssh
[06:20] <ubotu> SSH is the Secure SHell protocol. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SSHHowto for usage. Putty is a nice SSH client for Windows; it can be found at http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/putty/
[06:20] <exyan> mkay, what fonts r u guys using ;p?
[06:21] <Dr_willis> I got the vista fonts installed.. Heh. :)
[06:21] <Dr_willis> and about 10000 other fonts
[06:22] <exyan> Dr_willis: could I pm u :)?
[06:22] <Dr_willis> exyan,  why? :) theres scripts for linux that let ya get the vista fonts. :)
[06:22] <Dr_willis> http://plasmasturm.org/log/457/
[06:22] <exyan> mkay nvm, can you just get me through :)?
[06:23] <exyan> what should I apt-get and where to config ;);
[06:24] <nicolai_> Dr_willis: I had a problem where a backup of data made using the live-cd couldn't be edited because rights were given to 999 Ubuntu insted of 1000 Me. I've also tried than an external NTFS harddrive only allowed root to edit, because a friend had formatted it in Windows. What should I have done besides chown in those circumstances?
[06:25] <jhutchins> aptitude install msttcorefonts gsfonts gsfonts-x11
[06:25] <Dr_willis> with a ntfs drive you 'cant' chown the files. you must mount them with the proper permissions
[06:25] <Dr_willis> you could easially chown the files on a linux partition
[06:26] <exyan> jhutchins: but how do I get those fonts to show up in kde :)?
[06:26] <jhutchins> exyan: Restart KDE, go to kcontrol and choose them.
[06:27] <vbhide> how do i install grid wars?
[06:27] <exyan> jhutchins: @ the fonts settings visa 'adjust all fonts' ?
[06:28] <jhutchins> exyan: Do you want me to shell in and do it for you or somethint?
[06:28] <exyan> jhutchins: I just want some directions :)
[06:28] <jhutchins> exyan: Directions: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FontInstallHowto
[06:29] <nicolai_> Dr_willis: it used automount, and my external harddrive, which is exactly the same LACIE drive besides his wentures with formatting, worked without root access. I didn't use chown then, but what other issue than permissions would have made it necessary to use sudo to copy a file to a harddisk?
[06:29] <exyan> jhutchins: I don't want to install em, I wanna select em, I got em installed ;)
[06:29] <jhutchins> ... although finding your way to Appearance & Themes, Fonts doesn't seem that hard.
[06:29] <nicolai_> Both were NTFS
[06:29] <Dr_willis> nicolai_,  it all depends pn how they get mounted. you could of unmounted/remounted them
[06:30] <exyan> jhutchins: I did ask you if it's 'adjust all fonts'
[06:30] <Dr_willis> mount would of told ya how they were mounted and with what options
[06:30] <Dr_willis> http://web1.piripiri202.webperoni.de/dau/AeroConcept.rar           - has the vista fonts and a theme/thang for windows xp if ya want to look like a vista box. :)
[06:30] <exyan> jhutchins: I just dunno which to select, that's all
[06:31] <nicolai_> Dr_willis: Just the same plug it in, expect it to work rutine on a fresh install back in may. I hadn't configured anything.
[06:31] <jhutchins> exyan: Well fer goodness sake, try it and see.  I don't actually know what you are trying to achieve.
[06:31] <nicolai_> But I guess I must be missing something
[06:31] <vbhide> anyone knows how to install/run grid wars? theres this zip package to download, cant make any sense of it
[06:32] <exyan> jhutchins: I'm trying to achieve decent looking fonts ;) and as I installed the ms ones, I just wanna know which one(s) to select
[06:32] <exyan> jhutchins: I just dunno the name ^^
[06:32] <jhutchins> vbhide: If it's an actual .zip file, it's probably a windows program, and you'll have to install & run it under wine.
[06:32] <Dr_willis> I dont mess with external ntfs drives. :) so cant tell ya more other then 'whein in doubt do it by hand'
[06:32] <Dr_willis> exyan,  be sure to enable the font smoothing, and antialiasing features asso
[06:33] <Dr_willis> and if a lcd. enable that other feature for lcd's
[06:33] <vbhide> ok.... thanks!
[06:33] <jhutchins> exyan: How would I know the name of a microsoft font that would look good by your standards?  I'm pretty happy with the ones that are default in Mandriva and Ubuntu.
[06:33] <Dr_willis> I tend to use large 16+ sized fonts. they all look ok then. :)
[06:33] <jhutchins> exyan: The main reason I have microsoft fonts installed is for web pages that call specific microsoft fonts.
[06:33] <exyan> Dr_willis: font smoothing = antialiasing..? and the lcd thingy = sub-pixel rendering?
[06:33] <runlevelten> exyan: scroll through the list, reading the names. If the names look like they might be one of the ones you installed, try them and see if they look good.
[06:34] <runlevelten> then close kcontrol.
[06:34] <Dr_willis> exyan,  yep. theres several dozen web sites with other tips to make it all look better
[06:34] <Dr_willis> gota go. bbl
[06:34] <jhutchins> exyan: I have a lot of other fonts installed because I do web pages and printed stuff that I like to have a large selection for.
[06:34] <vbhide> its called gridwars_lin and wine can't handle it
[06:34] <exyan> m ;)
[06:34] <runlevelten> why would you run it in wine?
[06:35] <jhutchins> exyan: The only way I can imagine is for you to try various fonts, or use the font manager to preview them.
[06:35] <jhutchins> runlevelten: He said it was a zip file.
[06:35] <runlevelten> jhutchins: that's why to open it in wine?
[06:36] <runlevelten> vbhide: unzip it using unzip from a shell, or by opening it in ark in kde
[06:36] <runlevelten> then you can enter the firectory it creates and run the game :)
[06:36] <jhutchins> runlevelten: Well, *.zip files are usually windows files, but there are plenty of exceptions.
[06:36] <jhutchins> runlevelten: For all I know it's a .tar.gz
[06:36] <vbhide> i figured it out....... just had to extract the files to a folder before running the app. inside
[06:36] <runlevelten> Lots of exceptions for games, jhutchins
[06:37] <runlevelten> lots and lots and lots :)
[06:37] <runlevelten> cd gridwars_lin; ./gridwars
[06:38] <runlevelten> jhutchins: It should be tar.gz, but will people listen?
[06:38] <jhutchins> runlevelten: Could be just .gz too.
[06:39] <adenicio> wa u talkin about?
[06:39] <runlevelten> dammit vbhide, now you got me starting gridwars :)
[06:40] <adenicio> adept is not crashin on me no more. y :-D  .BUT FOR HOW LONG :-/
[06:40] <adenicio> feisty is like the 360
[06:41] <Insane`KDE> Anybody know of a good DVD player I can use to play some movies?
[06:41] <adenicio> gives a lot of prob
[06:41] <runlevelten> Insane`KDE: I use kaffeine
[06:41] <Insane`KDE> I wonder if oh-so-crappy kaffeine manages to play it, hang on
[06:41] <adenicio> Insane`KDE: ??? ps3
[06:41] <runlevelten> kaffeine isn't crappy in the least. Kaffeine is excellent.
[06:42] <Insane`KDE> Then why doesn't it play a single mpg for me? I tried configuring it with online guides for hours to do so, and it never worked. I had to download VLC to watch them
[06:42] <adenicio> yes it is
[06:43] <runlevelten> I don't know what this vlc thing is all about. I have no problems with any kind of video I encounter except DRM'd stuff, and I use mplayer, xine and realplayer, and various associated front ends.
[06:43] <contrast83> Kaffeine gives me the "unable to open resource" message 90% of the time I try to play a DVD with it. :-\
[06:43] <MaTiAz> adenicio: How come my 360 has been running absolutely fine ever since launch? :)
[06:43] <runlevelten> User error, and that's flat.
[06:43] <Insane`KDE> And tadaa! "Kaffeine couldn't find a plugin to handle this resource"
[06:43] <adenicio> runlevelten: i put samba to download with dept since i went to look for my bluethoot it just reach half way another hour to go
[06:43] <contrast83> err, yeah, the one Insane`KDE just said
[06:43] <runlevelten> Kaffeine is a front end, you realise that, right?
[06:44] <Insane`KDE> runlevelten: I open up mpgs, and it just gives me a black screen with nos ound and zips through the movie at varying random speeds
[06:44] <contrast83> yeah
[06:44] <runlevelten> So you have to set up video playback, then you use kaffeine to control it, to stream it across the network etc.
[06:44] <runlevelten> !codecs
[06:44] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[06:44] <Insane`KDE> I downloaded the codecs for mpg
[06:44] <ardchoille> Insane`KDE: sudo apt-get install libxine-extracodecs
[06:44] <vbhide> unable to calculate tex size
[06:44] <vbhide> what's that?
[06:44] <runlevelten> Insane`KDE: You need libdvdcss to play dvds
[06:45] <runlevelten> !dvd
[06:45] <ubotu> For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss2" can be found at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - Try k9copy (available in !Universe) for backing up DVDs
[06:45] <Sinistral_> !samba
[06:45] <ubotu> samba is is the way to cooperate with Windows environments. Links with more info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently and http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/windows-networking.html - Samba can be administered via the web with SWAT
[06:45] <ardchoille> Insane`KDE: you need libxine-extracodecs to play mpegs
[06:45] <adenicio> MaTiAz: lucky man im on my seconde 360 it died again my friends own just dieing too giving prob
[06:45] <adenicio> MaTiAz: vive la ps3
[06:45] <adenicio> MaTiAz: with linux
[06:46] <MaTiAz> adenicio: Ugh, did you know that 360 and PS3 were benchmarked in Linux and 360 ranked as 3x more powerful?
[06:46] <Insane`KDE> "Package libdvdcss has no installation candidate" What's the correct name?
[06:47] <MaTiAz> Insane`KDE: You need to enable medibuntu repos, it's not in the official ones
[06:48] <runlevelten> MaTiAz: Define "benchmarked", please.
[06:49] <MaTiAz> runlevelten: The guy who told me that (Mathieulh, a respected PSP hacker) didn't give any more information though :|
[06:49] <Insane`KDE> !medibuntu
[06:49] <ubotu> medibuntu is a repository of packages that cannot be included into the Ubuntu distribution for legal reasons - See http://www.medibuntu.org
[06:49] <MaTiAz> runlevelten: But you can speak to him over at irc.malloc.us if you want :)
[06:50] <runlevelten> Yes. I've heard numerous claims, none of them has been substantiated yet.
[06:50] <pc01> fgfrf
[06:50] <pc01> fghff
[06:50] <pc01> trytyt
[06:50] <pc01> rtryt
[06:50] <pc01> ug
[06:50] <pc01> gj
[06:50] <pc01> j
[06:50] <pc01> j
[06:51] <runlevelten> With what's available as of yet, I doubt any of them _can_ be.
[06:51] <Eeyore-Jr> is there someone that could bundle sharp construct for *buntu?
[06:52] <aldin> hi, is it possible to change hdd rpms, now i have 7200 and would like it to change on 5400 rpms?
[06:52] <adenicio> PSP???
[06:53] <adenicio> IS THE BEST
[06:53] <adenicio> aldin: wa is the dif?
[06:55] <Biovore> aldin: you can't change the rpms on the drive.. you can put most drives into a low power state though..
[06:56] <aldin> ok, thanks
[06:57] <aldin> adenicio, ?
[06:58] <Dragnslcr> Why you would want to lower the rotational speed of a hard drive?
[06:59] <Dragnslcr> Er, why would you
[07:00] <Biovore> ^ save power
[07:00] <Biovore> 5400 rpm drives you can run of USB with out a extern power supply..
[07:01] <llutz> Biovore: nearly none of all those 3,5" hdd are usable on USB without extra power
[07:01] <adenicio> how to change the count down for the grub.its the count down to choose beetwent xp and unix
[07:01] <adenicio> how to change the count down for the grub.its the count down to choose beetwent xp and unix
[07:01] <llutz> Biovore: they all need more than 500mA, which is too much for USB
[07:01] <adenicio> how to change the count down for the grub.its the count down to choose beetwent xp and unix
[07:02] <fdoving> !repeat | adenicio
[07:02] <ubotu> adenicio: Don't feel ignored and repeat your question quickly; if nobody knows your answer, nobody will answer you. You can search https://help.ubuntu.com or http://wiki.ubuntu.com while you wait. Also see !patience
[07:02] <NickPresta> adenicio, edit your menu.lst
[07:02] <llutz> adenicio: change "timeout" parameter in menu.lst
[07:02] <fdoving> adenicio: edit /boot/grub/menu.list and look for what llutz explains.
[07:03] <adenicio> im not alow
[07:03] <thechris> I need help installing kubuntu wo CD
[07:03] <fdoving> adenicio: you need to do that with root/sudo permissions.
[07:03] <thechris> is the installer contained on the initrd?
[07:03] <llutz> adenicio: kdesu kate /boot/grub/menu.lst
[07:04] <adenicio> cant chaige it just like that i chainge it once the first time i install feisty now i forgot
[07:04] <fdoving> adenicio: for example, kmenu -> run command 'kdesu -- kate /boot/grub/menu.lst
[07:04] <Insane`KDE> runlevelten: Kaffeine gives me "Error reading file: file is empty", even when running as root, but another dvd player ogle, runs it fine without any errors
[07:04] <Insane`KDE> runlevelten: And yes, I installed the dvd codec you told me to install
[07:04] <jhutchins> fdoving: Clearly we need a point-and-click grub configurator.
[07:05] <fdoving> jhutchins: nah, i don't consider that a high priority-issue. most people never change anything there. just like most people rarely edit boot.ini on windows systems.
[07:06] <fdoving> jhutchins: by the way.. mhb started a python-project with that in mind. not sure how the progress is.
[07:06] <ardchoille> jhutchins: Well, it's trivial to make a launcher for "kdesu kate /boot/grub/menu.lst", but people need to know they can do that, yeah.
[07:06] <jhutchins> Insane`KDE: Some players work better with a wider variety of files than others do.
[07:06] <contrast83> hrmm... if you're not comfortable editing text files/using a CLI, you *probably* shouldn't be messing with the program responsible for booting your machine. :-\
[07:06] <jhutchins> ardchoille: Oh no, I think we need a GUI with a slider to set boot delay time.
[07:06] <jhutchins> ardchoille: At least a picklist.
[07:06] <NickPresta> jhutchins, lol.
[07:06] <Insane`KDE> OH well, I'll just give it a rest trying to get Kaffein to actually play a majoraty of files, and keep using vlc
[07:07] <contrast83> jhutchins: are you umm... joking? :-)
[07:07] <jhutchins> contrast83: Could be.
[07:07] <runlevelten> Insane`KDE: Whatever works for you.
[07:07] <contrast83> good stuff :-P
[07:07] <Azzco> Does anyone know where to get sourcecode or 86_64 packages for kickoff?
[07:07] <jhutchins> contrast83: Still, it seems like it would be fairly trivial to scan the boot directory for various kernels, have radio buttons to select boot options, a slider for delay...
[07:07] <jhutchins> contrast83: You'd also have to scan the available partitions, mounted & not, for other bootable systems.
[07:08] <thechris> jhutchins: info grub.  the boot delay time, failover, and default options, among other things, are configurable
[07:08] <runlevelten> jhutchins: like yast, then?
[07:08] <jhutchins> runlevelten: Dunno, I ran screaming from SuSE ca. Mandriva 9.
[07:08] <adenicio> fdoving: tanks
[07:08] <runlevelten> ( which does far less than work perfectly with grub, heh )
[07:09] <runlevelten> I went from Debian to SuSE. I know, I'm a loon.
[07:09] <NickPresta> runlevelten, I did that too. I hated SuSE
[07:09] <jhutchins> I much prefer text configuration myself, and having to know what you're doing from reading manpages and commented conf files, but as long as we're doing so much with the GUI instead, might as well do grub.
[07:10] <contrast83> i hold to my last statement.
[07:10] <kalorin`> I've had several times lately when Grub sort of forgets the labels on the partitions or something, finally I ditched that stuff and just put /dev/sda2 as / in the config and now it works fine
[07:10] <runlevelten> I just wanted something less broken than RH, with very up-to-date, well QC'd binary packages. Debian only really failed me on one point there
[07:10] <sk_> hello world)))
[07:11] <sk_> From russia ?
[07:11] <kalorin`> with love?
[07:11] <jhutchins> runlevelten: RPM based systems are structurally different from debian based ones.
[07:11] <runlevelten> perfectly capable of packaging things myself, but there came a point with debian where I was building everything I wanted, and its deps,  from source - may as well have been using LFS by then, heh
[07:12] <runlevelten> jhutchins: Not massively, tbh.
[07:12] <thechris> so, anyone know about the ubuntu installer?
[07:12] <contrast83> thechris: what do you need to know?
[07:12] <runlevelten> there's still the odd gotcha though, heh
[07:12] <thechris> contrast83: is the installer included on the initrd?
[07:12] <jhutchins> runlevelten: Oh, I think so.  No real runlevels, network config's different, no SysV init in debian...
[07:13] <thechris> as my CD rom drive has failed
[07:13] <runlevelten> jhutchins: you still running lilo? good man
[07:13] <thechris> and i have grub, but not a cd
[07:13] <runlevelten>  /woman
[07:13] <pag> sk_, #ubuntu-ru for Russian discussion
[07:13] <contrast83> umm... not sure. sorry :-\
[07:13] <Azzco> thechris: a quick google gave me this: http://www.pendrivelinux.com/2007/02/12/usb-ubuntu-tutorial-for-linux-users/
[07:13] <jhutchins> You betcha.  Until grub can set a temporary selection for the next boot, I'll stick with lilo -R <option>; shutdown -r now.
[07:13] <ksivaji> is any know how many architecture that ubuntu supports ?
[07:13] <contrast83> thechris: you might google around online for installing it via a network. i've seen a few articles on that
[07:14] <jhutchins> !install
[07:14] <ubotu> Ubuntu can be installed in lots of ways. Please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation for documentation. Problems during install? See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommonProblemsInstall and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperReleaseNotes/UbiquityKnownIssues - See also !automate
[07:14] <contrast83> ksivaji: 2 - 32 and 64 bit.
[07:15] <jhutchins> contrast83: PPC too I think.
[07:15] <contrast83> jhutchins: which release?
[07:15] <jhutchins> contrast83: Not sure, recent discussions.
[07:15] <contrast83> i know feisty's not on ppc
[07:15] <jhutchins> contrast83: Must be that other distro then.
[07:19] <morphinex> hey folks, I'm looking for a utility that can join avi files I downloaded from usenet
[07:20] <NickPresta> morphinex, if they are identical, I suppose you could do something like: `cat movie1.avi movie2.avi > movie3.avi`
[07:20] <jhutchins> morphinex: I recommend avidemux2.
[07:20] <thechris> i wonder if cat would work?
[07:20] <thechris> i guess not
[07:21] <morphinex> I have avidemux, it seems like overkill, and I don't know how to use it ;)
[07:21] <thechris> unless it ignores headers in the middle of the movie
[07:22] <morphinex> also, avidemux failes to open the files!
[07:22] <morphinex> they are named whatever.avi.001 whatever.avi.002 whatever.avi.003 and so on
[07:22] <tfreire_> morphinex: emerge lxsplit
[07:23] <thechris> morphinex: try cat `ls whatever.avi.*` > newavi.avi
[07:23] <exyan> tfreire_: too much into gentoo?
[07:23] <morphinex> heh, is there a .deb of that?
[07:24] <tfreire_> morphinex: then lxsplit -j yourpornmoviedividedinsmallparts.avi.001
[07:24] <thechris> morphinex: the cat command i listed will also do this
[07:24] <exyan> tfreire_: u know there's no portage in kubuntu :P
[07:25] <tfreire_> exyan: yeah, I think so.
[07:25] <tfreire_> yeah, I have the gentoo forum open, I mixed both :)
[07:25] <tfreire_> it's a pretty trivial program though, hassle-free to compile
[07:26] <tfreire_> (gentoo irc i mean)
[07:27] <server_> guys how can i get access to everything on my drive it wont let me change nothing and i am log on admin any clue
[07:27] <wolferine> what can you use to convert to mp4, to put video on an ipod?
[07:27] <server_> mp4 is ipod
[07:28] <wolferine> mp4 is an extension :P
[07:28] <aaroncampbell> Are there other people having problems with the eclipse from the repos not working?
[07:28] <tfreire_> wolferine: avidemux
[07:28] <server_> guys how can i get access to everything on my drive it wont let me change nothing and i am log on admin any clue plz help me i want to configure files and i need access
[07:28] <wolferine> thanks
[07:28] <NickPresta> wolferine, you can use ffmpeg/mencoder.
[07:28] <wolferine> so tovid?
[07:29] <tfreire_> server_: sudo vim /path/to/file
[07:30] <server_> im on desktop kubuntu need to configure files and it says acess denied and im log on the main acconte
[07:30] <wolferine> server_, as root?
[07:30] <server_> yes
[07:30] <wolferine> gksudo
[07:30] <tfreire_> or kdesu
[07:31] <server_> where to find it
[07:31] <tfreire_> It's already installed
[07:31] <wolferine> server_, u want to edit the command
[07:31] <wolferine> and add the gksudo in front of it
[07:31] <server_> i want to edit files and configure it manual
[07:32] <tfreire_> run from the terminal of from the 'execu in the start menu
[07:32] <wolferine> server_, what?
[07:32] <dsmith_> who makes decent 1u servers for < $1K
[07:32] <server_> i dont no even how to edit in terminal
[07:33] <wolferine> server_, what?
[07:33] <wolferine> edit what?
[07:33] <server_> moodle files
[07:33] <tfreire_> server_: suppose you want to edit /etc/fstab; press alt+F2 to open the run commman dialog, type 'kdesu kate /etc/fstab' <enter>
[07:33] <wolferine> moodle?
[07:33] <wolferine> what is moodle?
[07:33] <wolferine> !moodle
[07:33] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about moodle - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:33] <server_> moodle is mail server
[07:33] <wolferine> hahah
[07:33] <wolferine> good luck
[07:34] <tfreire_> it's the same for any file with root privleges, or to run any program as root
[07:34] <server_> it running i just need to add my user and password to the config file but when i try to save it give me acess denied
[07:34] <wolferine> if (!able_to_edit_configs) { cannot run a mail server for sure } else { might get lucky }
[07:36] <jhutchins> server_: Start here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BasicCommands
[07:36] <server_> k thx
[07:37] <StoneNewt> is there anyway to get amarok to play .aac/.m4a files?
[07:38] <morphinex> hey thanks for the help, once i finally found and compiled lxsplit it worked fine
[07:38] <jhutchins> StoneNewt: It should play 'em fine if you have the codecs installed.
[07:39] <runlevelten> faad2 i believe
[07:39] <StoneNewt> libfaad-0 is installed
[07:39] <runlevelten> mine plays them fine
[07:39] <runlevelten> !restrictedformats
[07:39] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[07:40] <jhutchins> runlevelten: I don't recall that anything in there explicitly addresses .aac.
[07:40] <Rapatapa> how to make Mplayer load DVD titles
[07:40] <runlevelten> does it not?
[07:40] <runlevelten> Oops, sorry :)
[07:40] <mcd> Hay there - trying to get sound to work on my Toshiba laptop - trying to edit - /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base - keeping running into a wall - tried running Konqueror as root - but line I want to add won't let me - Suggestions?
[07:40] <jhutchins> Eh, I'm wrong: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/AAC
[07:41] <jhutchins> mcd: running konqueror as root == Bad Idea.
[07:41] <Rapatapa> can anyone halp me?
[07:41] <mcd> ok idea's ?
[07:41] <jhutchins> mcd: kdesu kedit /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base
[07:42] <[ifroog] > where could i find the changelog for every version update of the kernel ?
[07:42] <mcd> from  konsole?
[07:42] <jhutchins> [ifroog] : kernel.org
[07:42] <[ifroog] > thanks.
[07:42] <server_> ok i did kdesu konqueror and i wont show my files inn my drive why?
[07:42] <jhutchins> mcd: From console you can use vi, emacs, pico, nano, any text editor with sudo; any GUI editor from kdesu, or run the gui with kdesu from Alt-F2.
[07:43] <mcd> jhutchins - run line you said at Konsole window?
[07:43] <jhutchins> mcd: Try it.
[07:43] <mcd> kdesu is a gui?
[07:43] <fdoving> mcd: it pops up and asks for your password, yes.
[07:44] <jhutchins> mcd: kdesu is sudo for gui apps.
[07:44] <mcd> yup ok will give it shot - thx mucho'
[07:44] <jhutchins> !kdesu
[07:44] <ubotu> In KDE, use  kdesu  to run graphical applications with root privileges when you have to. Do *not* use  sudo <GUI application> ; you can muck up your permissions/config files. For what to use in GNOME, see !gksudo
[07:44] <mcd> oh ok thx - jhutchins
[07:44] <jhutchins> runlevelten: 1st corolary to Murphy's Law.
[07:44] <server_> kdesu konqueror and password in and no files show in my storage media drive
[07:45] <runlevelten> Oh, and phone batteries too. Great.
[07:45] <jhutchins> server_: Guess you're gonna have to give up and learn to use the console.
[07:46] <server_> i just to acess my media files that all i need to get
[07:46] <jhutchins> server_: Seriously, if you don't know how to work from the console, you aren't ready to run a mailserver.
[07:46] <server_> and get full priviledge
[07:47] <StoneNewt> gstreamer0-10 with thw bad plugins installed and no diffrence
[07:47] <nicolai_> runlevelten: I was lucky enough that my printer didn't die during the exam. It simply decided it was out of colour and therefore started printing red. :S
[07:49] <runlevelten> Damn. This will cost me work.
[07:51] <jhutchins> !fr | server_
[07:51] <ubotu> server_: Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[07:55] <intelikey> "shell down the bash!"    "some one bashed my shell"      "now; let's not start shell bashing!"
[07:56] <igkque> an it not be me?
[07:56] <igkque> god please find out who
[07:58] <dyingofrobbery0> do yu ever want to help me leatn anything intellikey?
[07:59] <dyingofrobbery0> do yu ever want to help me leatn anything intellikey?
[07:59] <dyingofrobbery0> learn i meant
[08:00] <intelikey> what ya interested in learning ?
[08:00] <dyingofrobbery1> how to destroy hackers
[08:00] <dyingofrobbery1> how to find out whos logged into me
[08:00] <intelikey> w
[08:00] <intelikey> who
[08:00] <intelikey> pstree
[08:01] <intelikey> learn those three    for starters
[08:01] <igkque> thanks
[08:01] <NickPresta> in addition, you want to use `last` and `users`
[08:02] <intelikey> and i find it better to lock the system than to just kill the client       but well get into that after you learn detection.
[08:02] <intelikey> NickPresta and tail /var/log/ssh*
[08:04] <dyingofrobbery1> thank you
[08:04] <Wikkon> why in kaffeine avi film works fine but in mplayer picture is delayed to the sound?
[08:05] <Biovore> Wikkon: try -idx as an mplayer option.. that happens because there is a timing error in the encoding file..  I think xine tracks it out correctly most of the time.. mplayer you have to tell it to reindex the file before playing..
[08:07] <[ifroog] > Is it save to load a kernel module of a previous version ?
[08:07] <StoneNewt> !restrictedformats
[08:07] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[08:08] <Wikkon> Biovore: i don't understand
[08:08] <Ahmuck> any motu devs here?
[08:08] <Wikkon> Biovore: what is -idx? where i must do that?
[08:09] <intelikey> NickPresta http://ubuntu.pastebin.us/38691
[08:09] <intelikey> NickPresta would you say that's a little unusual?  :)
[08:09] <Biovore> I run mplayer from the command line ussualy..  I just toss that on the end of it..  Not sure what you would do in the gui's
[08:10] <NickPresta> intelikey, indeed :P
[08:10] <runlevelten> It is actually getting impossible to find technical manuals online because of how many SEO spammers *LIE* about having the info.
[08:10] <Biovore> yeah..
[08:10] <Biovore> I have noticed that as well..
[08:11] <Biovore> you have to know where to look..
[08:11] <yonahw> runlevelten: I feel your pain
[08:11] <runlevelten> These people stand between the person needing the support, and the person providing it :(
[08:11] <yonahw> it is extremely annoying
[08:11] <intelikey> runlevelten heh.     an old man i knew asked me "how are you *?"   to whom i replied "i could complain but it doesn't seem to do any good."     i could tell he was thinking deeply on how to answer that, and after several moments he asked "have you tried jumping up and down while you complain?"   :))))
[08:12] <jhutchins> [ifroog] : Safe?  Yes, because they won't load (usually).
[08:13] <[ifroog] > jhutchins, i want to load a 2.6.17-10 modules on a 2.6.20-15 ??
[08:13] <intelikey> NickPresta that's because i don't login.  init opens me a shell and i go from there.   the ps can track me but not normal w/who/last/users    kinda handy when catching a cracker/script kiddiy
[08:13] <StoneNewt> w00t all done finally
[08:13] <NickPresta> intelikey, I shall remember that for future use. I didn't know that.
[08:14] <jhutchins> [ifroog] : Go ahead and try, you can't hurt anything.
[08:14] <[ifroog] > :P
[08:14] <jhutchins> [ifroog] : If they load, great!
[08:15] <[ifroog] > jhutchins, -1 Invalid module format :D
[08:15] <jhutchins> [ifroog] : Guess not then.  Where did the original module come from?
[08:15] <[ifroog] > am i am doing it right ??
[08:15] <[ifroog] > sudo insmod /lib/modules/2.6.17-10-386/kernel/drivers/net/ndiswrapper/ndiswrapper.ko
[08:15] <[ifroog] > ^^
[08:16] <intelikey> NickPresta but i don't exactly use '*buntu'   it's more of and intelikey-linux-gnu system   nothing that can really be called ubuntu anymore except the use of the repos.
[08:16] <jhutchins> !find ndiswrapper
[08:16] <ubotu> Found: linux-image-2.6.20-15-386, linux-image-2.6.20-15-generic, linux-image-2.6.20-15-server, linux-image-2.6.20-15-server-bigiron, ndiswrapper-common (and 8 others)
[08:17] <jhutchins> [ifroog] : try sudo modprobe ndiswrapper
[08:17] <imagine> what's the command to send a file over ftp?
[08:18] <[ifroog] > jhutchins, that will load the module from my current kernel
[08:18] <[ifroog] > well, i am doing it because, ndiswrapper was working great on my previous kernel.
[08:18] <[ifroog] > now it does not even connect..
[08:18] <[ifroog] > :(
[08:19] <jhutchins> [ifroog] : Ah.
[08:19] <jhutchins> [ifroog] : Just boot back to the old kernel, wait for a fix to come out.
[08:19] <intelikey> imagine wput can do that. as well as *ftp and konqueror   but i'm not an ftp user really    used to use ncftp some
[08:20] <[ifroog] > jhutchins, ok, its ok to do that ? as i got this new kernel from the dist-upgrade.
[08:20] <[ifroog] > to feisty
[08:20] <archoniam> Hiyas! I'm new to KDE and i need to know if, and if so how, to empty the Lost and Found. It's getting way too cluttered.
[08:20] <[ifroog] > jhutchins, ok, i will do that.. thanks !
[08:20] <imagine> intelikey: I'm not a ftp user as well ;)
[08:20] <imagine> bu thanks
[08:20] <intelikey> imagine with which i would just log into the site and use   put fliename
[08:20] <jhutchins> [ifroog] : choose the older one at boot time, or edit the menu.list in /boot/grub to change the default
[08:20] <[ifroog] > ok
[08:21] <imagine> intelikey: ok.. well I did it with konqu
[08:21] <[ifroog] > i am up and away..
[08:21] <intelikey> imagine yeah that would be the kubuntu way
[08:21] <intelikey> that's why i mentioned it   sorta
[08:21] <archoniam> Oh yeah, and is there an ISO mount program for Kubuntu?
[08:21] <intelikey> archoniam yeah mount
[08:22] <intelikey> linux doesn't need a program for that   linux has always mounted fs/disk/image files
[08:22] <gergelya> archoniam: mount -o loop /dir/file.iso  /mnt/iso
[08:23] <archoniam> gergelya: Ah. To make things easier, is there an X script maybe? Lol, i know, i need to RTFM and need to know GIYF/JFGI
[08:24] <intelikey> archoniam if you want a script just write it.
[08:24] <jhutchins> archoniam: What are you doing that is causing so many lost files?
[08:24] <avayl-home> hey im trying to buy a new thinkpad and want to make sure it will be supported by k/ubuntu + beryl. can yuo guys check this out and see if I should be okay: http://forums.clubrsx.com/showpost.php?p=14486471&postcount=7
[08:25] <jhutchins> avayl-home: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupport
[08:25] <archoniam> jhutchins: God you guys are fast to noticing me... XD. I'm just really fooling around. That's mainly what this computer is for.
[08:25] <ardchoille> avayl-home: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupport
[08:25] <avayl-home> archoniam i checked there
[08:25] <avayl-home> not everything listed
[08:26] <avayl-home> thought maybe you guys will have more up-to-date infoz
[08:26] <intelikey> echo -e '#!/bin/sh \n\nkdesu mount -o loop ~/.file.iso ~/myiso' > isomounter.sh ;chmod 755 isomounter.sh
[08:26] <intelikey> archoniam ^
[08:26] <intelikey> there's you a script
[08:26] <archoniam> avayl-home: What did i have to do with it? XD
[08:26] <archoniam> oh, lol, thanks
[08:26] <jhutchins> intelikey: You could make it an alias
[08:26] <intelikey> for point and click mounting     you can add an umoun section  if you like.
[08:27] <avayl-home> archoniam well okay, but do you think that video card should be okay for beryl?
[08:27] <intelikey> jhutchins could   could make it an interactive function if you wanted
[08:27] <jhutchins> intelikey: With variables!
[08:27] <archoniam> So, where do i put the script now that i've copied it again?
[08:27] <intelikey> daz rite
[08:27] <intelikey> archoniam some place you can click it.
[08:28] <NickPresta> avayl-home, http://www.beryl-project.org/faq.php#gq5
[08:28] <jhutchins> avayl-home: http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/NVidia_Quadro_NVS_140m
[08:28] <intelikey> archoniam if you will tell me the name and location of the iso i'll write you a good clean script for it. and pastebin it
[08:28] <Miltos> hi ppl:-] 
[08:29] <archoniam> avayl-home: Um, i don't even know what you're talking about, sorry. I was too busy listening to Intelikey... lol
[08:29] <jhutchins> intelikey: He could just create a desktop shortcut with that command in it.
[08:29] <intelikey> jhutchins that's what a script is....
[08:29] <intelikey> or rather that's what a shortcut is     a script
[08:30] <jhutchins> WEll, I mean, right click, create new shortcur...
[08:30] <jhutchins> WEll, I mean, right click, create new shortcut...
[08:30] <jhutchins> Put the command right in the .desktop file.
[08:30] <intelikey> yep   me too
[08:32] <Miltos> My external ntfs drive is recognized as a storage 39G from the daemon of kde, but when i click open nothing happens!
[08:32] <avayl-home> should the NVidia Quadro NVS 140m w/ kubuntu support beryl well?
[08:33] <dyingofrobbery1> a log fie od mine is missing
[08:33] <jhutchins> Miltos: Probably mounted root-only.
[08:33] <jhutchins> avayl-home: Maybe, when beryl comes out of alpha testing.
[08:34] <avayl-home> and compiz?
[08:34] <Miltos> jhutchins: how to fix it?
[08:34] <jhutchins> avayl-home: They've merged back together anyway.  Check their web page.
[08:34] <dyingofrobbery1> a log fie od mine is missing
[08:34] <jhutchins> Miltos: You need to change the fstab entry for it.
[08:34] <avayl-home> olk
[08:35] <dyingofrobbery1> am i supposed to have var/log/ssh anywhere?
[08:35] <jhutchins> Miltos: See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MountingWindowsPartitions and https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MakeFloppyDriveAvailableToEveryone
[08:35] <jhutchins> dyingofrobbery1: man locate
[08:35] <dyingofrobbery1> am i supposed to have var/log/ssh anywhere?
[08:35] <Miltos> jhutchins: thanks, i am just looking my fstab, wait...
[08:36] <igkque> is locate in the man pages?
[08:36] <SoKeK> hi, I would like to know how to install the Ati propietary drivers in Kubuntu
[08:37] <SoKeK> and if you know a way to install beryl with a ATI x1400
[08:38] <carla> oi
[08:38] <SoKeK> can anybody help me with that?
[08:39] <carla> tem algum brasileiro aqui???
[08:39] <intelikey> jhutchins archoniam could use something like this and have a one click mounts and umounts the iso file script   i use something very near that for my mother to have a cd mount and eject icon on her desktop    i also adjusted sudoers so that it's nopasswd  for the mount command on a special dir   thus it click only.
[08:40] <intelikey> more than one way to defur a felion
[08:40] <igkque> am i supposed to have var/log/ssh anywhere?
[08:40] <intelikey> igkque not if you don't run sshd
[08:41] <igkque> do you think i could find out how to do this in a linux administration book from 2003?
[08:42] <intelikey> yeah it hasn't changed sense then really
[08:42] <Biovore> ssh log is under /var/log somehere.. I think ssh dumps stuff into /var/log/messages
[08:42] <Biovore> or daemon
[08:42] <igkque> thanks
[08:42] <jhutchins> igkque: man locate
[08:43] <Biovore> if the log isn't called ssh... locate won't help.. :-P
[08:43] <igkque> do you ever think anything is at risk if i ask loads of quiestions in here?
[08:43] <Biovore> thats what this channel is for..
[08:43] <intelikey> oh yeah it does default to   /var/log/access or /var/log/messages or something   but has a logging feature of it's own also
[08:44] <Biovore> ^ yes!!!
[08:44] <igkque> i realy think im bugged
[08:45] <Biovore> you linux box?
[08:45] <igkque> my apartment
[08:45] <igkque> my town
[08:45] <rakuco> please, are there going to be backports for the rest of kde4 beta (kdenetwork and everything else)?
[08:46] <ksivaji> what package should  i install so that my browser can interpret php script ?
[08:46] <Biovore> could be.. nothing is "private" anymore unless you put some effort into it..  this channel isn't private.. no encryption and such..
[08:46] <igkque> what would i install if i wanted to wipe out japan?
[08:46] <igkque> what would i install if i wanted to wipe out japan?
[08:46] <Biovore> ksivaji: browsers don't interpret php.. thats a server side then.. apache needs to interpret php..
[08:47] <igkque> what would i install if i wanted to wipe out nazi gernamy or but mostly japan?
[08:47] <igkque> ??
[08:47] <Biovore> what do you mean by wipe out?
[08:47] <NickPresta> igkque, what are you talking about?
[08:47] <igkque> i dont know im going
[08:47] <Biovore> well that would explain it.. :-P
[08:48] <igkque> i hate living by the highway
[08:48] <intelikey> ksivaji change the name from blah.php to blah.php.html  and konq will run it
[08:48] <igkque> what would i install if i wanted to wipe out nazi gernamy or but mostly japan?
[08:48] <igkque> i hate living by the highway
[08:48] <igkque> i hate listening to the radio
[08:48] <intelikey> ksivaji you can add the mime type if you like
[08:49] <Biovore> Will konqueror interpret php?
[08:49] <ksivaji> Biovore then i saw one html source in w3school.com where .php file is called
[08:49] <igkque> or mabey if i wanted to wipe out sadaams wierd little hacker community
[08:49] <ksivaji> intelikey great
[08:49] <igkque> or mabey if i wanted to wipe out sadaams wierd little hacker community
[08:49] <ksivaji> !repeat
[08:49] <ubotu> Don't feel ignored and repeat your question quickly; if nobody knows your answer, nobody will answer you. You can search https://help.ubuntu.com or http://wiki.ubuntu.com while you wait. Also see !patience
[08:49] <igkque> what would i install if i wanted to wipe out nazi gernamy or but mostly japan?
[08:49] <intelikey> Biovore yes i recon it does   elinks and links2  will
[08:49] <Biovore> yeah.. but the php file produces a html file that a webserver upload..  "its a serverside scripting language"
[08:49] <igkque> i hate listening to the radio
[08:49] <igkque> i hate listening to the radio
[08:49] <igkque> i hate living by the highway
[08:50] <intelikey> feel the love
[08:50] <intelikey> or is that hate
[08:50] <intelikey> hard to tell the differance these days
[08:50] <igkque> i dont realy want to die of a heart attack in a few years
[08:50] <erov> well lay off the cocaine
[08:50] <Biovore> I think someone has been living in oregon to long..
[08:50] <igkque> i dont do cocaine
[08:51] <erov> you appear to be under some sort of influence or diminished mental capacity
[08:51] <intelikey> igkque good on ya mate
[08:51] <igkque> i hate living by the highway
[08:51] <nicolai_> erov: don't troll. Don't feed the troll
[08:51] <nicolai_> !spam
[08:51] <ubotu> Unsure how you should behave on this channel? See !AskTheBot, !CoC, !Guidelines, !Offtopic, !Language, !Attitude, !Repeat, !Enter, !Paste, !NickSpam - and most importantly, use common sense :-)
[08:51] <Biovore> you could be living on the highway..
[08:52] <igkque> god i lost so many computers before i read the extra rules of what a troll even is
[08:52] <ksivaji> intelikey no konqueror cant interpret
[08:52] <intelikey> nicolai_ but trolls are so cute  :)
[08:52] <igkque> i thought for the longest time that i wasw supposed to make a troll in a video game elvel
[08:52] <igkque> level
[08:52] <igkque> i didnt weven see the troll rule anywhere i sign up for a forum!
[08:52] <intelikey> ksivaji really ?   hmmm
[08:52] <igkque> @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@
[08:52] <Biovore> ksivaji: the webserver calls php to create a html file for a webrowser to read..
[08:52] <NickPresta> !flooding | igkque
[08:52] <ubotu> igkque: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[08:53] <ksivaji> !ops | igkque
[08:53] <ubotu> igkque: Help! Riddell, fdoving, Mez, jpatrick, seth_k, apokryphos, nalioth, Hobbsee, robotgeek, imbrandon, gnomefreak, Hawkwind, trappist, LjL, Jucato,  haggai, fooishbar, crimsun, seth, apokryphos, DBO, nixternal or PriceChild!
[08:53] <igkque> the troll rule isnt anywhere when you sign up for a forum! im realy pissed off about this!
[08:53] <nalioth> igkque: the guidelines are in the channel topic
[08:54] <igkque> mabey you should advertise this rule on television!
[08:54] <igkque> its just my screen, i bought it, and you geeks make up too many rules that arent in even the sign up agreement!
[08:54] <igkque> just to cream it!
[08:54] <BluesKaj> intelikey:  what do you use as bait ?
[08:55] <ksivaji> BluesKaj hi
[08:55] <BluesKaj> hi ksivaji
[08:55] <intelikey> BluesKaj heh yeah you got it...    now play him.
[08:55] <intelikey> :)
[08:55] <Assid> hey
[08:55] <Assid> is there a way to mount an iso from within an X application?
[08:55] <Assid> like a right click.. mount
[08:56] <intelikey> if the x app can call an external    you bet.
[08:56] <Assid> you know anything that does it right now
[08:57] <intelikey> Assid make this a shortcut command or script or something.   http://ubuntu.pastebin.us/38693
[08:57] <ksivaji> intelikey have you configured or installed somthing run php in konqureor
[08:57] <Biovore> ksivaji: if your messing with php.. I would install apache on your box and setup a simple webserver..
[08:58] <intelikey> ksivaji php4 seems to be installd but i didn't configure that    not that i remember anyway....
[08:58] <Biovore> ksivaji: else you can call..  php <filename.php> > output.html    and open output.html in konqueror.
[08:58] <Assid> intelikey: thats not really dynamic
[08:58] <intelikey> oh wait having   cherokee installed is probably why
[08:58] <jhutchins> Assid: To simplify your question, no, kubuntu doesn't recognise .iso files as mountable by default.
[08:58] <ksivaji>  Biovore ok i will try
[08:59] <jhutchins> Assid: 'Though that's not a bad feature to request.
[08:59] <Assid> okay how do i request it
[08:59] <intelikey> Assid so power it up to suit your self.    make the variable ="*.iso"   heh
[08:59] <Assid> intelikey: right but thats not gonna interface with X
[08:59] <wtfIsATrollGame> i thought for the longest time people wanted me to make a troll in one of my video game levels!
[09:00] <wtfIsATrollGame> i realy hate you!
[09:00] <Kes> hmm does anyone know how i can get flash working in firefox by typing something into terminal? :o
[09:00] <intelikey> it will if you tell konq to open .iso files with that script
[09:00] <intelikey> like   duh.
[09:00] <Assid> okay i gotta learn how to do that
[09:01] <PriceChild> Assid, what I just did?
[09:01] <Assid> no
[09:01] <intelikey> assid you right click an .iso and choose open with and select the script and tick the always use this...
[09:01] <jhutchins> !info fuseiso
[09:01] <ubotu> fuseiso: FUSE module to mount ISO filesystem images. In component universe, is optional. Version 20060107-0ubuntu1 (feisty), package size 13 kB, installed size 80 kB
[09:02] <jhutchins> !info kiso
[09:02] <ubotu> kiso: program to create manipulate and extract CD Image. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.8.3-0ubuntu4 (feisty), package size 346 kB, installed size 1052 kB
[09:02] <W8TAH> for some reason my computer runs hotter (as judged by fan speed ) under kubuntu than it does under windows while it is idleing (i dual boot) -- what (if anything) can i do to reduce that
[09:02] <intelikey> jhutchins heh        fuse     isn't that like    move every thing into user space    and now how do we secure things in user space....      (me shoots self in foot to see if it hurts)
[09:02] <jhutchins> !info isomaster
[09:02] <ubotu> Package isomaster does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas
[09:03] <Assid> jhutchins: any of that do the above ?
[09:03] <jhutchins> Assid: Find out!
[09:03] <Assid> hehe okay
[09:04] <intelikey> kiso uses kio slaves ?
[09:05] <ksivaji> !webserver
[09:05] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about webserver - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:05] <intelikey> hmmm  that might be acceptable,   i'll have to look a little deeper at kiso.
[09:05] <ksivaji> how to setup a webserver i have apache installed on my machine but i havent configured it
[09:06] <jhutchins> Assid: ksivaji: http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php/MountFile?content=61955
[09:06] <ksivaji> jhutchins ok
[09:06] <jhutchins> THat looks like it's exactly what you're looking for!
[09:07] <Kes> !flash
[09:07] <ubotu> To install Flash see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/Flash - Flash 9 is now available in dapper-backports and edgy-backports - See also !Restricted and !Gnash
[09:07] <intelikey> MounfFile ?
[09:08] <Kes> how do i find out what version of ubuntu im using?
[09:09] <vizard> how can i change the resloution of my screen, it gives me a maximum resolution of 1024x768
[09:09] <stdin> !version | Kes
[09:09] <ubotu> Kes: To find out what version of Ubuntu you have, type  lsb_release -a  in a !shell
[09:09] <stdin> !resolution | vizard
[09:09] <ubotu> vizard: The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type  sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart  in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[09:09] <intelikey> stdin you write that  ?
[09:10] <Assid> err anyo of you guys use vmware-tools ?
[09:10] <stdin> intelikey: yep :)
[09:10] <vizard> ok..thanks
[09:10] <jhutchins> Assid: #vmware
[09:11] <intelikey> stdin let me see ???      (i'm not feeling too critical right now)
[09:11] <intelikey> :)
[09:11] <Assid> thanks jhutchins
[09:11] <stdin> intelikey: http://stdin.pastebin.us/38694
[09:14] <Miltos> i can't mount my external ntfs usb drive...i've checked my fstab and it seems okey...any ideas???
[09:15] <stdin> intelikey: the bit on line 102 (if [ "x$file" != "x" ] ) is for the service menu entry, it calls the script with $file set
[09:16] <intelikey> k yeah.     use more quotes.    like mounts=$HOME/.mount/  <<<< should be qouted cause it could have spaces in it.
[09:18] <stdin> intelikey: yeah, I actually only made it for me, but people were asking for a easy way to mount isos and I remembered it. so I spend a couple days cleaning it up and making it more generic
[09:18] <ksivaji> stdin hi
[09:19] <stdin> hi ksivaji
[09:19] <ksivaji> which is better static ip  or dynamic ip
[09:19] <intelikey> always better to not "assume" defaults.   that's why so many dpkg scripts break.
[09:19] <jhutchins> Miltos: Tell us what does happen, what /var/log/messages and/or dmesg say.
[09:19] <NickPresta> ksivaji, neither are "better". You pick whichever suits your needs
[09:19] <intelikey> ah so it's a converted personal script.... yeah   that makes things messier.    i stand under you.
[09:19] <stdin> ksivaji: neither is better, depends what you want
[09:20] <Kes> Hi fellas, wondering if you could help a noob get flash working on a fresh install?
[09:20] <stdin> intelikey: you stand under me?
[09:20] <jhutchins> stdin: http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=148546 < feature requested with your script as an example.
[09:20] <stdin> jhutchins: yeah, just saw it :)
[09:20] <jhutchins> !flash | kes
[09:20] <ubotu> kes: To install Flash see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/Flash - Flash 9 is now available in dapper-backports and edgy-backports - See also !Restricted and !Gnash
[09:20] <intelikey> ksivaji the one that works for you is obviously better for you
[09:20] <ksivaji> ok bye its time to sleep 12.52 here
[09:20] <intelikey> stdin isn't that what "understand" means  ?
[09:20] <root> GOD HELP ME
[09:20] <stdin> intelikey: heh, probably :p
[09:20] <Karti> stdin: Hi, just a quick one about my script from before. To rmind you, it works fine - ish, but when it creates the tar file it copies it across but not the whole file. Normally in Windows a command is followed through before the next command is activated. But here it appears to do it as soon as the file starts to create....any ideas PS its running through th euser cron
[09:21] <Miltos> jhutchins: not much to say...my external usb ntfs drive is not mounted...no messages, no complains...
[09:21] <root> I've been trying this for hours, completely bashing my system about 3 times so far, forcing me to restore from backups
[09:21] <Insane`KDE> *wrong name
[09:22] <Insane`KDE> Somebody seriously help me activate my second monitor
[09:22] <intelikey> you going to build the suspense,   or just tell us what the issue is?
[09:22] <NickPresta> Insane`KDE, which card and which driver?
[09:22] <Kes> ive got an amd 64 processor, is it harder to get flash working on it?
[09:22] <stdin> Karti: hmm, can you post the link to it again, so I can have another look?
[09:22] <jhutchins> Miltos: /var/log/messages or dmesg will say something immediately after you plug it in - that or it (or the usb port) is dead.
[09:22] <intelikey> and did you read the   !dualhead   infonode ?
[09:23] <Karti> no probs
[09:23] <intelikey> !dualhead
[09:23] <ubotu> Information about dual-head on linux can be found on http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/DualHead - See also !Xinerama
[09:24] <Karti> stdin: Here is the back up file that works http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/32651/
[09:25] <Miltos> jhutchins: before that...could you tell me how to mount it manually?
[09:26] <NickPresta> Kes, as far as I understand, there is no 64-bit Flash.
[09:26] <jhutchins> Gah.  #kde and kde.org are just a waste of time.
[09:26] <stdin> Karti: hmm, it should work the way you have it..
[09:27] <Karti> Here is my cron file as well http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/32652/
[09:28] <NickPresta> Kes, you either have to use a 32-bit installation of Firefox/your browser or compile nspluginwrapper (http://gwenole.beauchesne.info/projects/nspluginwrapper/)
[09:28] <Assid> hrmm acetone iso aint bad either
[09:29] <Karti> I have made the backup exe mod 777 to get rid of any issues and it works absolutly fine if I run it or just click on it
[09:29] <Kes> cheers fellas
[09:30] <Assid> hrmm.. when i use beryl.. i end up with a black window everynow and then
[09:31] <Assid> specially with anything that runs through wine.. thats almost always
[09:33] <Df_Yz> "Hello" to all!
[09:33] <Df_Yz> :)
[09:35] <Assid> err. anyone know any app for recording screen input to swf or something?
[09:36] <Assid> like mov/swf/mpg or something
[09:36] <Df_Yz> mmm
[09:36] <Df_Yz> I see some in my F.A.Q.....
[09:36] <Kes> !dvd playback
[09:36] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about dvd playback - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:36] <Df_Yz> sory for my bad English
[09:37] <Df_Yz> please,wait few time...
[09:40] <Df_Yz> Assid, i find
[09:40] <Df_Yz> swf - http://www.unixuser.org/~euske/vnc2swf/
[09:40] <ejortegau> ~lvm
[09:40] <ejortegau> !lvm
[09:40] <ubotu> Tips and tricks for RAID and LVM can be found on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RaidConfigurationHowto and http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/LVM-HOWTO
[09:40] <Df_Yz> avi - http://sourceforge.net/projects/xvidcap
[09:40] <NickPresta> !dualboot
[09:40] <ubotu> Dual boot instructions:  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WindowsDualBootHowTo (x86/AMD64) - MACs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/YabootConfigurationForMacintoshPowerPCsDualBoot   https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MacBookProFeisty
[09:41] <_ron> hi everyone...can anyone give me some pointers on why I am seeing update downloads from the update repositories being corrupted?
[09:42] <_ron> I'm using the x86_64 version of Kubuntu
[09:42] <NickPresta> _ron, are you using official repositories?
[09:43] <_ron> NickPresta: fresh install no mods....just trying to do the inital update and it keeps failing
[09:43] <NickPresta> _ron, using pastebin, post your /etc/apt/sources.list
[09:43] <NickPresta> !pastebin
[09:43] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[09:45] <linuxtk10> where does konversation on kubuntu save irc logs ?
[09:45] <_ron> I'll have to log back in when I'm on that machine so I can get that, I'm running a memory test on it at the moment just to be sure that isn't the issue.  I've installed several times though and run into the same problem every time
[09:47] <adenicio> i download ntfs-3g to modify my ntfs partition but how do i use it?
[09:47] <adenicio> i download ntfs-3g to modify my ntfs partition but how do i use it?
[09:49] <adenicio> i download ntfs-3g to modify my ntfs partition but how do i use it?
[09:50] <ejortegau> adenicio: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MountingWindowsPartitions/ThirdPartyNTFS3G
[09:51] <ejortegau> can i tell adept/apt to use a proxy server? where?
[09:51] <adenicio> ejortegau: i seing my ntfs xp i just want to activat the read rite i refusing
[09:52] <ejortegau> adenicio: sorry, i have never actually used it... i just thought that site would be useful for you
[09:53] <adenicio> ejortegau: yea it look like it have the answer right now
[09:55] <morph_> hello all
[09:55] <morph_> anyone know of a good gui video converter
[09:55] <PhinnFort> morph_: looked at kde-apps.org?
[09:57] <ubuntu> anyone know a good starter site for user new to linux?
[09:57] <linuxtk10> where does konversation log too ?
[09:57] <morph_> lemme check
[09:58] <ubuntu> go to top
[09:58] <ubuntu> window
[09:58] <ubuntu> open logfile
[09:59] <morph_> this one looks good KVideoEncoder
[10:01] <PhinnFort> morph_: do you need help compiling it?
[10:02] <morph_> hmm
[10:02] <morph_> probably hehe
[10:03] <morph_> thought i could find it on adept
[10:03] <PhinnFort> morph_: download the .tar.gz (or .bz2) to your homefolder or something
[10:03] <PhinnFort> it isn't there
[10:03] <PhinnFort> but it isn't that hard to compile either
[10:03] <PhinnFort> and if you want, you can probably submit a package request, and it may be included into gutsy
[10:04] <morph_> ok cool, they are both there bz2 and gz
[10:04] <morph_> doesnt matter i guess?
[10:04] <PhinnFort> tbz is smaller
[10:04] <PhinnFort> ;)
[10:04] <PhinnFort> but it doesn't matter
[10:05] <morph_> ok got it
[10:05] <PhinnFort> anyways, when downloaded, go to the folder in konqueror (or dolphin) and hit F4 to open a terminal there
[10:05] <vge> root is a bad name to irc on ;)
[10:05] <PhinnFort> then type "tar xjvf kvideo" and hit TAB and Enter
[10:05] <PhinnFort> vge: :P
[10:06] <ubuntu> anyone know of any good linux starter sites
[10:06] <PhinnFort> vge: do you think someone nuked him?
[10:07] <PhinnFort> !starter
[10:07] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about starter - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:07] <vge> PhinnFort: naah
[10:07] <PhinnFort> ubuntu: what exactly do you want?
[10:07] <PhinnFort> vge: would be funny, though:P
[10:07] <PhinnFort> (in a weird, creepy way(
[10:07] <PhinnFort> *)
[10:07] <r-c> https://help.ubuntu.com
[10:08] <vge> i wonder what irc program allows that nick
[10:08] <PhinnFort> konversation?
[10:08] <PhinnFort> I don't think it has any restrictions
[10:08] <PhinnFort> but nudge Sho_ in #kde, and it might get it;)
[10:08] <morph_> i have tar.bz2
[10:08] <vge> must be a network thing then
[10:09] <PhinnFort> morph_: did you go to the folder where you downloaded it and hit F4?
[10:09] <morph_> yes
[10:09] <morph_> home folder
[10:09] <morph_> then f4
[10:09] <morph_> then tar xjvf kvideo
[10:09] <PhinnFort> what came up?
[10:09] <PhinnFort> oh, and did you hit TAB afterwards?
[10:09] <PhinnFort> it should autocomplete the filename
[10:09] <morph_> morph@stealth:~$ tar xjvf kvideo
[10:09] <morph_> tar: kvideo: Cannot open: No such file or directory
[10:09] <morph_> tar: Error is not recoverable: exiting now
[10:09] <morph_> tar: Child returned status 2
[10:09] <morph_> tar: Error exit delayed from previous errors
[10:09] <morph_> yeah tab
[10:10] <PhinnFort> one sec
[10:10] <morph_> KVideoEncoder-0.08.tar.bz2
[10:10] <PhinnFort> ah, do "tar xjvf KVideoEncoder-0.08.tar.bz2" then
[10:10] <PhinnFort> (didn't notice the capitalized letters)
[10:11] <Tit0u__> nobody can say at me what is the IRC ip's of Quacknet serveur
[10:11] <PhinnFort> then do "cd KVi" [tab]  and enter
[10:11] <vge> and kde can use unpack the paggage with gui tools for u if u want to
[10:11] <PhinnFort> Tit0u__: irc.quakenet.org?
[10:11] <ubuntu> phinnFort a good place to download software, and nice additions, etc
[10:11] <PhinnFort> ubuntu: look at help.ubuntu.com for some nice help stuff, and kde-look.org for skins, themes, etc.
[10:12] <PhinnFort> ubuntu: and just ask here if you need help using/installing any of it
[10:12] <ubuntu> ok
[10:12] <vge> ubuntu: check adept for all the software u need
[10:12] <ubuntu> how do u use wine?
[10:12] <ubuntu> btw
[10:12] <ubuntu> i need to use windows proggies
[10:12] <PhinnFort> !wine | ubuntu
[10:12] <ubotu> ubuntu: wine is a compatibility layer for running Windows programs on GNU/Linux. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Wine for more information.
[10:12] <ubuntu> at leasta fewm
[10:12] <vge> which ones?
[10:12] <PhinnFort> ubuntu: it doesn't always work well, but it usually works with most with a bit of tweaking
[10:12] <ubuntu> photoshop
[10:13] <morph_> ok its
[10:13] <PhinnFort> ubuntu: look here for info on how well it supports apps, and how to tweak it to work better: http://appdb.winehq.org/
[10:13] <morph_> done
[10:13] <PhinnFort> morph_: the "cd KV" too?
[10:13] <elite101> hey what is the command line to fix adept its like dpkg-9 or something?
[10:13] <morph_> is that it?
[10:13] <PhinnFort> !adeptfix | elite101
[10:13] <ubotu> elite101: If Adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole:  sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a 
[10:14] <elite101> thanx
[10:14] <PhinnFort> morph_: no, now the compiling begins;)
[10:14] <morph_> hehe
[10:14] <PhinnFort> morph_: do sudo aptitude install build-essential checkinstall
[10:14] <Level15> crap... no wine official packages for amd64...
[10:14] <PhinnFort> Level15: no official ones, but they work fine here
[10:14] <morph_> wow its going :)
[10:15] <Level15> PhinnFort: are they maintained?
[10:15] <PhinnFort> Tit0u__: 128.39.2.28
[10:15] <PhinnFort> Level15: by the Wine packaging team, afaik
[10:15] <PhinnFort> Level15: I just got updated packages
[10:15] <morph_> what is xvif something like extract verify
[10:15] <Level15> PhinnFort: good enough :D
[10:15] <PhinnFort> ;)
[10:15] <morph_> install file?
[10:16] <jhutchins> morph_: man tar will tell you everything.
[10:16] <morph_> ok that step is done
[10:16] <PhinnFort> morph_: tar = tar program, x = extract, j = bz2 uncompress, v = verbose (tell which files are being extracted), f = what is following this, is the file to be extracted
[10:16] <PhinnFort> morph_: now do "sudo aptitude install kdelibs-dev"
[10:16] <nicolai_> Is there a KDE frontend for GRAMPS?
[10:17] <nicolai_> Gnome methology confuses me
[10:17] <ron__> NickPresta: my /etc/apt/sources.list file is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/32662/  (it's the default file though afaik)
[10:17] <PhinnFort> Level15: http://winehq.org/site/download-deb
[10:18] <graft> how do i get the most out of my 802.11g card? it claims to get 18-54Mb/s, but the best i ever see is 680kb/s
[10:18] <Level15> PhinnFort: thx
[10:18] <PhinnFort> np
[10:18] <elite101> hey im using VLC to view my movie (.avi files) everything works but i wanna get rid of everything on screen and full screen the movie ?
[10:18] <PhinnFort> elite101: hit "f"?
[10:18] <Level15> graft: you wouldn't see 54 Mb/s not even if you were the only guy using the wireless network and you stood next to the AP
[10:18] <elite101> i will try that
[10:18] <morph_> double click screen
[10:19] <elite101> lol im dumb
[10:19] <PhinnFort> morph_: I don't think VLC supports that
[10:19] <elite101> :)
[10:19] <elite101> thanx
[10:19] <PhinnFort> ;)
[10:19] <morph_> oh
[10:19] <vge> morph_: doubleclick wond do
[10:19] <elite101> very much
[10:19] <PhinnFort> elite101: you might also want to try Codeine
[10:19] <elite101> yeah true
[10:19] <graft> Level15: okay, fair enough, but 680 kb/s is way below what's promised... that's two orders of magnitude!
[10:19] <elite101> i have XINE/VLC?
[10:19] <PhinnFort> it's a very good video player, possibly the default in KDE 4
[10:19] <elite101> are they anygood
[10:19] <elite101> okay
[10:19] <elite101> i wil try that one too
[10:19] <PhinnFort> it's very easy to use, imho
[10:19] <PhinnFort> !info codeine
[10:19] <ubotu> codeine: Simple KDE video player. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.0.1-3.dfsg-2 (feisty), package size 174 kB, installed size 596 kB
[10:20] <ron__> graft are you measuring it local computer to local computer, or are you testing it with an external speed test?
[10:20] <Level15> graft: is signal strength good?
[10:20] <graft> ron__: local to local
[10:20] <graft> yeah, signal strength is good
[10:20] <Level15> graft: and are you getting 680 KB/s or Kb/s?
[10:21] <graft> err, KB/s, sorry... so, yeah, not two orders of magnitude
[10:21] <morph_> ok that step is done
[10:21] <Level15> graft: ok, so you are getting close to 5.6 Mb/s
[10:21] <Level15> what's the signal strength?
[10:21] <graft> 40/45
[10:22] <Level15> is it a shared AP?
[10:22] <graft> yeah, but no one else is using it
[10:22] <ron__> anyone have an idea why I'm seeing corrupt update packages coming from the x86_64 repositories? I've cleared the cache several times and still can't get a good download on the python2.5 packages
[10:22] <buck_> kall me stupid..
[10:22] <graft> and i never get speeds above this
[10:22] <buck_> has anyone installed unreal 2004 and the patches
[10:22] <Level15> are you connected using 802.11b or 802.11g or what version of 802.11?
[10:23] <graft> Level15: 802.11g
[10:23] <graft> Level15: or at least so iwconfig reports
[10:23] <PhinnFort> ron__: try an update
[10:23] <PhinnFort> sudo aptitude update
[10:23] <Level15> hm doesn't sound so good...
[10:23] <Level15> please pastebin the output of iwconfig
[10:24] <morph_> PhinnFort> am i done installing compliling?
[10:24] <PhinnFort> morph_: are you on 64-bit or 32-bit?
[10:24] <morph_> 64
[10:24] <morph_> well
[10:24] <morph_> 32 kubuntu
[10:24] <graft> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/32664/
[10:24] <PhinnFort> dang
[10:24] <buck_> anyone ..
[10:24] <morph_> but 64 bit cpu
[10:24] <buck_> install ut 2004 and patches
[10:24] <PhinnFort> morph_: then you need to compile it yourself (i'm on 64-bit)
[10:24] <PhinnFort> morph_: run "./configure"
[10:25] <PhinnFort> morph_: if it says all is ok, run "make"
[10:25] <Biovore> buck_: there tarballs..
[10:25] <morph_> morph@stealth:~$ ./configure
[10:25] <morph_> bash: ./configure: No such file or directory
[10:25] <buck_> yeah .. but for some reason .. i am unable to get the patch  loaded
[10:25] <Level15> Link Quality=40/94
[10:25] <Level15> that's not so good...
[10:25] <Biovore> buck_: where you downloading it from?
[10:26] <graft> Level15: that's a reporting error for atheros chipsets, i believe
[10:26] <Level15>  Rx invalid nwid:89895
[10:26] <PhinnFort> morph_: do "cd KVideoEncoder-0.08" first
[10:26] <buck_> gamers hell .com
[10:26] <PhinnFort> morph_: and try again
[10:26] <Biovore> buck_: http://www.biovore.net/Fileserver/gaming/UT2k4/ut2004-lnxpatch3369-2.tar.bz2
[10:26] <graft> Level15: iwconfig just prints the wrong baseline
[10:26] <buck_> yeah .. i have that
[10:26] <Level15> still, tons of Rx errors...
[10:26] <Level15> something is not good with the quality of the link, imho
[10:26] <morph_> morph@stealth:~/KVideoEncoder-0.08$ ./configure
[10:26] <morph_> Checking for g++... /usr/bin/g++
[10:27] <morph_> Checking for qmake... /usr/bin/qmake
[10:27] <morph_> Checking for kde-config.../usr/bin/kde-config
[10:27] <morph_> Checking for KDE.../usr
[10:27] <morph_> Checking for KDE includes...not found.
[10:27] <morph_> Please install the KDE development packages,
[10:27] <morph_> or try to set the KDE-Includes path with the commandline option --with-kde-includes
[10:27] <runlevelten> ooooNoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
[10:27] <Biovore> buck_: download the patch to your home dir..  "tar -xvjf ut2004-lnxpatch3369-1.tar.bz3"
[10:27] <runlevelten> !pastebin
[10:27] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[10:27] <morph_> oops
[10:27] <Biovore> buck_: then cd to the directory it made
[10:27] <graft> Level15: hrmmm... what would you expect the rate of those to be?
[10:27] <runlevelten> Phew, that configure stopped a lot sooner than it could have, heh.
[10:27] <Level15> 0
[10:27] <Level15> eh
[10:27] <graft> hmm
[10:27] <PhinnFort> morph_: did you install kdelibs-dev?
[10:27] <Biovore> buck_: then "sudo cp * /usr/local/games/ut2004/"
[10:28] <buck_> .. will that work for the mega pack too
[10:28] <morph_> yeah did everything you posted
[10:28] <Biovore> yes.. all linux packs..
[10:28] <buck_> okay .. here goes..
[10:28] <buck_> .. thank you
[10:28] <PhinnFort> morph_: my mistake, do "sudo aptitude install kde-devel"
[10:28] <Level15> graft: it probably means there's a lot of intereference. are there many other wifi networks around?
[10:28] <Biovore> buck_: the MS bonius packs is a .exe.. just run unzip on it. and copy the outputs to /usr/local/games/ut2004/
[10:28] <PhinnFort> morph_: we only installed part of the development files needed
[10:28] <morph_> have to do cd ..
[10:28] <morph_> up one folder
[10:29] <buck_> yeah .. i did that .. but they have a linux BP too
[10:29] <buck_> the earlier ones are zip or exe
[10:29] <PhinnFort> morph_: no
[10:29] <Biovore> buck_: yeah.. use the linux stuff..
[10:29] <buck_> okay .. i will try that ..
[10:29] <buck_> i just didnt understand all the message boards... gets confusing..
[10:29] <PhinnFort> morph_: and can you write "phi" and hit tab when replying, that way it "plings" here when you write something
[10:29] <Biovore> buck_: I play TDM and TAM here.. I don't bother with the bonius stuff.. I don't play onslought
[10:30] <PhinnFort> ;)
[10:30] <buck_> I like instagib myself
[10:30] <Level15> lol
[10:30] <buck_> but i want to see the new vehicles
[10:30] <Biovore> buck_: Basicly all you really need is the lastest patch and then you can download everything else from the server when you connect..
[10:30] <Level15> is there instagib on ut2k4?
[10:30] <Biovore> yup.. its a mod
[10:30] <buck_> yeah .. but rare
[10:30] <buck_> used to be popular ..
[10:30] <Biovore> There are a couple of IG clans around..
[10:31] <buck_> i like it
[10:31] <Biovore> Its still big on UT99
[10:31] <Damienww> hello, can someone help me? i have a very noobish question
[10:31] <graft> Level15: nope, only one, and it's on a different channel
[10:31] <vge> !ask
[10:31] <ubotu> Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[10:31] <buck_> i can hardly wait for UT3
[10:31] <morph_> PhinnFort: cool
[10:31] <buck_> thats gonna be one sic game..
[10:31] <Biovore> yup.. end of september..
[10:31] <buck_> i hope they run a linux port
[10:31] <vge> sequals allways suck
[10:31] <PhinnFort> morph_: tab completion works almost anywhere in Linux, and it's a rather big timesaver;)
[10:31] <Biovore> buck_: Will have a good linux port
[10:32] <Damienww> i'm trying to install the new version of kubuntu on my laptop, but wheni boot on it and click run/install, kubuntu starts but then i only have a white line to enter a command
[10:32] <Biovore> buck_: we even are getting the unreal editor and such for linux and mac now..
[10:32] <Level15> well, that number means your wifi card is receiving tons of packets with different essid... so maybe there's another network sending a lot but which doesn't announce itself... i've heard that's possible
[10:32] <Biovore> buck_: And the cool thing is we will beable to play against PS3 players now :-)
[10:32] <morph_> brb something is not letting me install
[10:33] <Damienww> everything is loaded, it even shuts down normally when i click on shut down button on my laptop
[10:33] <buck_> right on
[10:33] <buck_> i am waiting for that day
[10:33] <Karti> Damienww: type in startx
[10:33] <Biovore> buck_: I expect the preview demo should be out in the begining of sept
[10:33] <Karti> Damienww: if it lets you logon
[10:33] <morph_> back
[10:33] <buck_> still says i am version 3186
[10:33] <Damienww> it doesn't actually
[10:34] <Damienww> seems it crashes just before
[10:34] <buck_> i got new screen tho
[10:34] <morph_> ok thats tep is done
[10:34] <Karti> did you do a cd check before you installed it?
[10:34] <morph_> now i do ./config
[10:34] <PhinnFort> morph_: try ./configure again
[10:34] <PhinnFort> yeah
[10:34] <Damienww> yeah
[10:35] <morph_> Please install the KDE development packages,
[10:35] <Biovore> buck_: the tar.bz2 file is just a directory structure of the ut directory.. just extract the tar.bz2 file to where you have ut2k4 installed
[10:35] <PhinnFort> morph_: still?
[10:35] <Karti> I assume it passed
[10:35] <Damienww> yes
[10:35] <morph_> well the other one was includes
[10:35] <morph_> phi
[10:35] <morph_> PhinnFort: other was includes
[10:35] <PhinnFort> morph_: did you do "sudo aptitude install kde-devel"?
[10:35] <ron__> PhinnFort...just curious how you deal with there not being a Flash and other applications for 64-bit
[10:35] <PhinnFort> ron__: there is, use nspluginwrapper
[10:36] <Karti> when the live cd started initially did you just selct the Install from the desktop
[10:36] <PhinnFort> ron__: and that's about it
[10:36] <morph_> PhinnFort: doing it again
[10:36] <PhinnFort> ron__: you can also use a 32-bit browser, like Opera
[10:36] <Damienww> the was only one option at the booting screen with install: "run or install kubuntu"...
[10:36] <Damienww> or smthg like that
[10:37] <morph_> Checking for KDE includes...not found.
[10:37] <buck_> .. are you sure UT3 will have linux from start
[10:37] <morph_> PhinnFort: Checking for KDE includes...not found.
[10:37] <Biovore> buck_: yes.. epic as already said it will..
[10:37] <buck_> cool .. now i am having troubles..
[10:37] <Level15> PhinnFort: that nspluginwrapper crashes every 10 seconds... for me, it was better to install netscape 32 bits
[10:37] <buck_> i already extracted to that directory
[10:37] <buck_> with no luck
[10:37] <ron__> PhinnFort:  thanks for the pointer I'll look into when I get my system updated....it seems I've managed to hose up my install now...unresolve dependencies and the package I need to resolve it is the corrupt one
[10:37] <morph_> im such a n00b at compiling
[10:37] <PhinnFort> Level15: tried Opera?
[10:38] <Level15> PhinnFort: didn't run don't recall why
[10:38] <buck_> should the cp * have an r after it
[10:38] <Level15> something dealing with qt 32 bits libraries or something
[10:38] <Biovore> buck_: yeah.. cp -r
[10:38] <Karti> Damienww: is it the live cd you have?
[10:38] <Damienww> yes
[10:38] <Biovore> buck_: yeah.. cp -rv <-- verify
[10:38] <Damienww> i just downloaded it
[10:38] <Damienww> jubuntu 7.04
[10:38] <PhinnFort> morph_: try "kate config.log" and paste it
[10:38] <PhinnFort> !paste | morph_
[10:38] <ubotu> morph_: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[10:38] <Damienww> *kubuntu
[10:39] <PhinnFort> Level15: the nspluginviewer sometimes hang in Konqueror, but Opera works just fine
[10:39] <Karti> when you selected the top menu item did it boot into a desktop
[10:39] <stephans> has anyone used kino? Or is there a good video/dvd creator like in the MAc?
[10:39] <Karti> with an icon at the top saying install?
[10:39] <Biovore> I have used kino.. its not very complete..
[10:39] <Damienww> well, it did boot, but i never got to see the desktop
[10:39] <Damienww> it crashed at the end of the boot
[10:40] <morph_> log is blank
[10:40] <morph_> PhinnFort: log is blank
[10:40] <Karti> and you checked the media on the front menu?
[10:40] <Damienww> yep
[10:40] <PhinnFort> morph_: try opening it from within kate
[10:40] <Damienww> no problem reported
[10:40] <Level15> PhinnFort: will give that a try then
[10:40] <vge> wow, yakuake has made some nice progress
[10:40] <Level15> just after i finish reinstalling and applying patches and stuff
[10:40] <PhinnFort> stephans: tried mandvd?
[10:40] <NickPresta> vge, how has it changed?
[10:40] <Karti> If I remember there are other boot options if you press F1
[10:40] <PhinnFort> http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php/ManDVD?content=38347
[10:41] <Karti> and it gives you examples to cover most eventualities
[10:41] <Karti> I can't remember what they are but have a look
[10:41] <PhinnFort> stephans: http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php/ManDVD?content=38347
[10:41] <Damienww> well, i tried
[10:41] <morph_> aww man my beryl is fubarred
[10:41] <Damienww> but didn't find any :/
[10:42] <vge> well, defaults are allot better atleast and tabs and other are styled better
[10:42] <NickPresta> morph_, how so?
[10:42] <morph_> the border is gone now
[10:42] <buck_> im back
[10:42] <morph_> around windows
[10:42] <buck_> 2004
[10:42] <Karti> Damienww: let me find my cd and try on another PC
[10:42] <PhinnFort> morph_: try rerunning the window decorator
[10:42] <Biovore> morph_: you running in 24bit color depth?
[10:42] <Damienww> well, then let me get on irc on another comp
[10:42] <Damienww> brb
[10:42] <buck_> Assertion failed: sizeof(*this)==GetClass()->GetPropertiesSize() [File:UnGame.cpp]  [Line: 149] 
[10:42] <PhinnFort> morph_: hit alt f2, type "beryl" and hit enter
[10:42] <morph_> hehe
[10:42] <Biovore> buck_: you got the right version now?
[10:42] <morph_> it works now
[10:42] <Sinistral_> Is there anyone with experiences in samba. I have gotten so far that I can see this computer on itself and on the windows pc, but I can't see any shares (I set up the [homes]  and a [printer]  share. Here is my smb.conf: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/32669/
[10:42] <buck_> i think i have to fresh install
[10:43] <buck_> .. because now i can load the game
[10:43] <underdog5004> morph_, do you have an nvidia card?
[10:43] <morph_> yeah
[10:43] <morph_>  mobile
[10:43] <Biovore> buck_: interesting..
[10:43] <underdog5004> morph_, gimme a sec, I can help you.
[10:43] <Biovore> buck_: or you buggered up something in the install.. you could try removing ~/.ut2004 and tring..
[10:44] <Damienww> actually
[10:44] <Biovore> buck_: The update just work.. it just updates the ut2004-bin file and some others..
[10:44] <Level15> brb
[10:44] <Damienww> Karti: i'll do that tomorrow
[10:44] <underdog5004> you need to put this (     Option         "AddARGBGLXVisuals" ) under the Section "Screen" section of your xorg.conf
[10:44] <Damienww> dont worry
[10:44] <underdog5004> gonnna go chill w/ gf now
[10:44] <underdog5004> bye
[10:45] <morph_> cya
[10:45] <nixternal> HEY EVERYONE!!!  If you see a ton of people join at one time, can you please do an !ops as soon as possible? This is just a safety measure in case a mass amount of spammers hit at once
[10:45] <PhinnFort> nixternal: ok
[10:45] <Dragnslcr> Expecting an attack, are we?
[10:45] <buck_> yeah .. i think i need to reinstall
[10:46] <nixternal> thanks PhinnFort...#ubuntu just got nailed super hard with the biggest spam session I have seen in a long time
[10:46] <morph_> im going to an observatory with my gf later
[10:46] <buck_> i am gonna delete directory firt
[10:46] <buck_> fi
[10:46] <morph_> should be fun
[10:46] <nixternal> it made irssi want to cry with lag :)
[10:46] <buck_> first
[10:46] <NickPresta> nixternal, yeah. I just saw it too
  thankyou.
[10:46] <nixternal> that was crazy
[10:46] <Dragnslcr> Heh, looks like it was fun, nixternal
[10:46] <morph_> BTW someone showed this cool asus lappy yesterday on here
[10:46] <Dragnslcr> I don't usually pay attention to #ubuntu
[10:47] <PhinnFort> nixternal: notified the freenode staff?
[10:47] <nixternal> they are on it
[10:47] <morph_> gonna be 200 bucks
[10:47] <mkquist> anyone know whats going on in #ubuntu?
[10:47] <morph_> running linux also
[10:47] <buck_> do i just click on the uninstall bash
[10:47] <morph_> 7" screen
[10:47] <PriceChild> mkquist, bot attack, we are aware and dealing with it
[10:47] <PriceChild> lets stay on topic :)
[10:48] <Karti> Damienww: if you are still there, you will find ideas with regards booting from the disk by using F1 help etc - good luck
[10:48] <Dragnslcr> morph_- yeah, I saw an article about it. Looks like an interesting alternative to normal PDA's
[10:50] <morph_> PhinnFort: Yeah I would like to get one, just for vpn
[10:52] <morph_> sudo aptitude install build-essential checkinstall
[10:52] <morph_> fist command
[10:53] <buck_> grrrr .. well .. reinstalling
[10:53] <PhinnFort> morph_: ./configure ran?
[10:53] <morph_> then "sudo aptitude install kdelibs-dev"
[10:53] <morph_> no says missing includes
[10:53] <PhinnFort> kde-devel
[10:53] <PhinnFort> ?
[10:53] <PhinnFort> morph_: did you try finding the config.log in kate?
[10:53] <morph_> then "sudo aptitude install kdelibs-dev"
[10:53] <PhinnFort> Open File
[10:54] <morph_> and sudo aptitude install kde-devel
[10:54] <morph_> yeah i found  the config file
[10:55] <PhinnFort> is it still empty?
[10:55] <morph_> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/32675/
[10:56] <PhinnFort> tanks
[10:56] <PhinnFort> *thanks
[10:56] <morph_> is that right?
[10:56] <morph_> PhinnFort: is that right?
[10:57] <PhinnFort> morph_: can you run "dpkg -L kdelibs-devel"?
[10:57] <PhinnFort> and paste the output
[10:57] <morph_> says not installed
[10:58] <morph_> Package `kdelibs-devel' is not installed.
[10:58] <PhinnFort> !info kde-devel
[10:58] <ubotu> kde-devel: the K Desktop Environment development files and modules. In component universe, is extra. Version 5:47 (feisty), package size 7 kB, installed size 40 kB
[10:58] <PhinnFort> morph_: dpkg -L kde-devel?
[10:59] <morph_> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/32678/
[11:00] <morph_> PhinnFort: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/32678/
[11:00] <PhinnFort> thanks
[11:00] <Biovore> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PXpwC1o5AcI <-- ruby programing crash-course.. kinda good..
[11:00] <PhinnFort> morph_: sudo aptitude install kdelibs-devel
[11:01] <PhinnFort> morph_: this drags out more than it should...
[11:01] <PhinnFort> :(
[11:01] <PhinnFort> morph_: too long since I set up my build environment
[11:01] <morph_> omg
[11:01] <morph_> i see the problems
[11:01] <W8TAH> for some reason my computer runs hotter (as judged by fan speed ) under kubuntu than it does under windows while it is idleing (i dual boot) -- what (if anything) can i do to reduce that
[11:01] <scott__> if I download a rpm file...how do I unpack it?
[11:02] <morph_> phi
[11:02] <morph_> PhinnFort: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/32680/
[11:02] <morph_> didnt find that package
[11:02] <runlevelten> OK, what's a groupware suite an idiot could set up?
[11:02] <W8TAH> exchange
[11:02] <Karti> any idea why my cron task only copies accross a part of a file rather than the complete edition?
[11:02] <ircuser_about_to> so, is nvidia a bad choice for gnu/linux if i want to take use of suspend and hibernate? is there a software workaround for this? or... is it a hardware problem?
[11:02] <PhinnFort> morph_: dpkg -L kdelibs-dev
[11:02] <PhinnFort> sorry
[11:03] <PhinnFort> runlevelten: like Kontact?=
[11:03] <buck_> OKAY .. ON THE REINSTLAL NOW .. HOPEFULLY I WILL GET
[11:04] <buck_> it going
[11:05] <runlevelten> PhinnFort: as in the server
[11:05] <PhinnFort> runlevelten: there's one, that begins with a k
[11:05] <PhinnFort> can't remember the name though
[11:06] <runlevelten> Yeah I'm not sure kolab2 will cut it
[11:06] <PhinnFort> kolab it was
[11:07] <runlevelten> The primary consideration is that several mcse monkeyboys can set them up without intervention from a grown-up.
[11:07] <ircuser_about_to> anyone have any thoughts on the nvidia question i posted?
[11:07] <PhinnFort> runlevelten: I don't know about any other free ones
[11:08] <PhinnFort> runlevelten: but there are several proprietary ones
[11:08] <intelikey> http://ubuntu.pastebin.us/38696   yeah i rewrote it...    so sue me...
[11:08] <PhinnFort> I WILL!
[11:08] <PhinnFort> intelikey: tried that AcetoneISO thingy?
[11:09] <intelikey> no i haven't
[11:09] <morph_> PhinnFort: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/32680/
[11:09] <morph_> did you see the error?
[11:09] <PhinnFort> intelikey: sounds like what you would've wanted before you wrote it
[11:09] <morph_> file was not ofund
[11:09] <morph_> found*
[11:09] <intelikey> PhinnFort i'm a cli user   i just 'mount blah'   besides users can't mount anything on a nosuid system
[11:10] <PhinnFort> morph_: drop the -el
[11:10] <PhinnFort> morph_: just kdelibs-dev
[11:10] <Biovore> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NbTEVbQLC8s <-- Qt4 dance.. lolz  so euro trash..
[11:11] <PhinnFort> Biovore: post it in #kde
[11:11] <PhinnFort> rotfl
[11:12] <intelikey> i mean really a user account has no avalable means whereby they can mount or dismount anything.   so if i wanted to test that i'd have to startx as root...
[11:12] <morph_> well thanks for your help
[11:12] <ubuntu__> !grub
[11:12] <ubotu> grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[11:13] <morph_> PhinnFort: dont know what is going on but I will be upgrading to 7.10 soon
[11:13] <PhinnFort> morph_: it isn't really ready yet
[11:13] <PhinnFort> afaik
[11:14] <intelikey> did someone tell scott__ you don't   ?
[11:15] <intelikey> i was piddeling with settings in the irc client and missed that...
[11:15] <PhinnFort> intelikey: kdesu/sudo/...?
[11:15] <PhinnFort> or plain su -?
[11:15] <intelikey> nosuid
[11:15] <intelikey> none can work
[11:15] <PhinnFort> ah
[11:16] <PhinnFort> pita
[11:16] <PhinnFort> isn't that more insecure than not?
[11:16] <intelikey> PhinnFort how so ?
[11:17] <PhinnFort> intelikey: running a whole X-server, instead of allowing one user to have restricted access?
[11:17] <morph_> ok im out later all
[11:17] <PhinnFort> morph_: later
[11:17] <PhinnFort> ...as root
[11:17] <intelikey> PhinnFort what x server ?
[11:17] <intelikey> :)
[11:17] <PhinnFort> [23:12]  <intelikey> i mean really a user account has no avalable means whereby they can mount or dismount anything.   so if i wanted to test that i'd have to startx as root...
[11:17] <PhinnFort> :P
[11:18] <intelikey> yeah if i wanted to test that you mentioned...
[11:18] <intelikey> i don't.
[11:18] <intelikey> :)
[11:18] <PhinnFort> ;)
[11:18] <PhinnFort> well, you still log in as root
[11:18] <intelikey> can't login period
[11:18] <intelikey> as root or anyone else
[11:18] <intelikey> i know.   :)
[11:19] <intelikey> i have init open me a shell.   and go from there.
[11:19] <PhinnFort> you must be some kind of freak or something?
[11:19] <PhinnFort> if that isn't insecure, I don't know
[11:19] <PhinnFort> init=/bin/sh?
[11:19] <Level15> lol
[11:19] <intelikey> PhinnFort no init is a custom init.
[11:20] <PhinnFort> may I ask why you want to handle your own logons, instead of use the true and tested PAM?
[11:20] <PhinnFort> (I assume you have some form for authentication)
[11:20] <Azzco> I've got a problem booting kubuntu after install... after bois I just get the messege GRUB and nothing else
[11:20] <intelikey> a "root kit" if you will      root kits are not of nessecity evil   only when others write/install them for you   :)
[11:21] <PhinnFort> root kit == kernel level programs that do no good, in my book;)
[11:21] <PhinnFort> I still don't understand completely how, and definately not why, you do it, but I guess that's out of my reach;)
[11:22] <intelikey> PhinnFort auth.   no i have a secure location.    and no box that someone else can have hands on, is secure.    root kit= adjusted kernel level operation of any sort
[11:22] <PhinnFort> intelikey: well, I don't even trust my own apartment
[11:22] <PhinnFort> ;)
[11:22] <intelikey> correct.   and understood.
[11:22] <intelikey> time for me to run.     back later
[11:22] <PhinnFort> I guess you have a bunker with several different locks, fingerprint scanners, etc. to get access?
[11:23] <PhinnFort> oh, ok
[11:23] <PhinnFort> have fun
[11:23] <intelikey> k u 2
[11:25] <ryaren> hi
[11:26] <ryaren> Do u have any idea why slow my downloading speed?
[11:26] <ryaren> I have 6mbit connection but I'm downloading with 250kbyte/s
[11:26] <_gtt_> dang
[11:26] <Azzco> Does anyone know if it's possible to install a boot partition on a USB memory from livecd?
[11:26] <_gtt_> i had to re-write my xorg.conf
[11:27] <_gtt_> yes
[11:27] <_gtt_> you sure can
[11:27] <_gtt_> i suggest at least 4gigs though
[11:27] <Azzco> For just boot? o.O
[11:27] <_gtt_> yeah, it's what i'd recommend.
[11:27] <_gtt_> i can't gauruntee anything less would work, unless you did the server mode.
[11:28] <_gtt_> server mode you might be fine
[11:28] <Azzco> Okay well...just a grub on USB then?
[11:28] <Insane`KDE> Can anybody help me get Kaffeine to play dvds? My current player keeps crashing randomly
[11:29] <Azzco> Insane`KDE: you're probably looking for libdvdcss or something, google up medibuntu, you might want to look fro xine-extras or nonfree or something
[11:30] <bldzr> Insane`KDE: 'sudo apt-get install libdvdcss2'
[11:30] <Insane`KDE> I have xine-extras nonfree and libdvdcss2
[11:31] <jimmacdonald> anyone try to run WoW on Kubuntu yet?
[11:31] <PhinnFort> jimmacdonald: I think so
[11:32] <jimmacdonald> How and what do I need to do?
[11:32] <PhinnFort> jimmacdonald: should be more or less like under plain ubuntu
[11:32] <jimmacdonald> which is?
[11:32] <blackskyliner> jimmacdonald: yea I, but it freeze after i was online and in my tavern, after 3 or 5 seconds...
[11:32] <blackskyliner> anyone know the problem?
[11:33] <PhinnFort> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=312482
[11:33] <PhinnFort> jimmacdonald: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=312482
[11:33] <Insane`KDE> Currently, Kaffeine gives me the error "Error reading file, file contains no data
[11:33] <PhinnFort> Insane`KDE: stop giving it empty files then
[11:33] <PhinnFort> and try Codeine
[11:33] <Level15> lol
[11:34] <Insane`KDE> PhinnFort: Well funnily enought eh file ISN't empty, other programs play it just fine but randomly crash
[11:34] <ryaren_> Do u have any idea why slow my downloading speed?
[11:34] <PhinnFort> ryaren_: blame your Internet Service Provider
[11:34] <PhinnFort> ryaren_: in Ktorrent?
[11:35] <PhinnFort> Insane`KDE: try Codeine, and report back?
[11:35] <ryaren_> no
[11:35] <Insane`KDE> Codeine seems to work
[11:35] <ryaren_> bandwith test
[11:35] <Insane`KDE> I'll have to check though if it also randomly crashes, if so I'll come back
[11:35] <PhinnFort> ryaren_: those are all filthy, stinking lies
[11:36] <PhinnFort> heh, it did
[11:36] <ryaren_> but I've never seen higher downloading speed lik 250kbyte/s
[11:36] <ryaren_> in win I can always download with 600kbyte/s
[11:36] <blackskyliner> PhinnFort: in WOW i have the problem, I connect select my char and load it, after 5 seconds my complete pc freeze... any clue?    -- ATI Radeon x1900, Kubuntu Feisty
[11:37] <PhinnFort> blackskyliner: sorry, I don't play wow:(
[11:37] <PhinnFort> blackskyliner: try posting in the forums
[11:37] <blackskyliner> i think it a right problem to write or something... because before it crashes its performant
[11:37] <PhinnFort> ryaren_: try wget'ing an iso or something
[11:37] <PhinnFort> ryaren_: where in the world are you?
[11:38] <ryaren_> I'm from hungary
[11:38] <PhinnFort> i'll find a mirror close to you
[11:38] <ryaren_> thank you
[11:39] <vlad88> hi, I have a question about Samba and file permission
[11:39] <vlad88> anybody that can help me with it?
[11:40] <PhinnFort> ryaren_: open a konsole, and run "wget  http://ubuntu.bitmind.hu/feisty/ubuntu-7.04-desktop-i386.iso"
[11:40] <PhinnFort> !samba
[11:40] <ubotu> samba is is the way to cooperate with Windows environments. Links with more info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently and http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/windows-networking.html - Samba can be administered via the web with SWAT
[11:41] <vlad88> thank you, I'll read it first :D
[11:41] <blackskyliner> PhinnFort: I have aother question, I've installed SWAT for Samba but it's not aviable on port 901... it's the right prot or?
[11:41] <ryaren_> PhinnFort: Yes. The downloading speed stopped at 230 kbyte/s
[11:42] <vlad88> Yeah, I have the same question as blackskyliner, I installed it but no response from 901
[11:42] <PhinnFort> ryaren_: can you paste the output of dmesg?
[11:42] <PhinnFort> vlad88: did you start it?
[11:42] <PhinnFort> sudo /etc/init.d/swat start
[11:42] <vlad88> I installed smb4k instead
[11:42] <PhinnFort> or something
[11:42] <ryaren_> yes
[11:42] <PhinnFort> tried smb:// in konqueror?
[11:43] <vlad88> I did this: sudo update-inetd --enable 'swat'
[11:43] <ircuser_about_to> so, is nvidia a bad choice for gnu/linux if i want to take use of suspend and hibernate? is there a software workaround for this? or... is it a hardware problem?
[11:45] <ryaren_> PhinnFort: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/32686/plain/
[11:45] <NickPresta> ircuser_about_to, what do you mean? Which problems with suspend/hibernate?
[11:46] <blackskyliner> PhinnFort: SWAT seems to freeze after i start it, i cant kill it, any clue?
[11:46] <PhinnFort> ryaren_: I can't see anything unusual
[11:46] <PhinnFort> ryaren_: maybe try to disable ipv6
[11:46] <PhinnFort> !ipv6 | ryaren_
[11:46] <ubotu> ryaren_: To disable ipv6 read https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WebBrowsingSlowIPv6IPv4
[11:46] <ircuser_about_to> NickPresta: i saw someone in one of the channels earlier this week complain about how suspend (or was it hibernate?) wouldn't work because the hibernate process couldn't rmmod nvidia modules
[11:46] <PhinnFort> blackskyliner: sorry, I don't have any windows machines in this house (macs only)
[11:46] <vlad88> PhinnFort -> Thanks for the link, I did a quick review, and I have fstab ok according it, and yes, it works, but there's something that I don't like, when I create a new file in a samba mounted device,there's a warning about it can't write permissions :(
[11:47] <vlad88> it's just a warning, cause if I clic "ok" in that box everything is ok (no corruption or anything like that)
[11:47] <ryaren_> !nvidia
[11:47] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[11:47] <ircuser_about_to> also, if a system is put on hibernate, does that mean wtmp / utmp logs it as a shutdown or a reboot?
[11:48] <blackskyliner> vlad88: have the user the right on the linux machine to write the dir and have u writeable on?
[11:49] <Fragility> what might it mean if it takes my command like like a minute to show up after opening the terminal?
[11:49] <Fragility> shouldnt that be really quick even on a slow computer?
[11:49] <vlad88> blackskyliner ->  yes, in fact I can move, cut, paste, etc, etc. but the problem is when creating _new_ files
[11:49] <vlad88> blackskyliner -> it's just a warning about it can't set the file permissions
[11:50] <vlad88> but it does not block anything, but I would wish to stop that message from appearing
[11:50] <blackskyliner> vlad88 its normal.... I have the same problem u do it with konquer or?
[11:50] <vlad88> konqueror
[11:50] <blackskyliner> y
[11:51] <vlad88> there's not way to avoid it to appear?
[11:51] <blackskyliner> Its because it will set the rights after copying, but u cant set the rights ohn a remote machine via samba
[11:51] <vlad88> oh
[11:51] <vlad88> so bad
[11:51] <blackskyliner> i think
[11:51] <frode_> question: i have low reception signal with my wireless network in linux. when i plug the wireless card in another computer, running windows, the signal is much better. i wonder why? any solutions?
[11:51] <vlad88> with ntfs-3g there's an option when mounting: "silent" so that message does not appear
[11:52] <evri2> Guys what is the <super key> in compiz-fusion settings?
[11:52] <blackskyliner> i dont know it 100% but i think so vlad888 :)
[11:52] <vlad88> blackskyliner -> anything is better than nothing, thank you :D
[11:52] <blackskyliner> no problem :)
[11:54] <Azzco> Okay I need some help booting my kubuntu installation..
[11:55] <Azzco> I just get "GRUB" on my screen nothing else...
[11:55] <Dragnslcr> evri2- on most keyboards it's the Windows ket
[11:55] <Dragnslcr> key
[11:55] <Dragnslcr> evri2- it's whatever else is down in the corner with ctrl and alt
[11:56] <blackskyliner> *arzt
[11:56] <blackskyliner> ohh
[11:56] <blackskyliner> wron channel sry
[12:00] <koyo001> need help removable drive
[12:00] <koyo001> cannot mount it
[12:00] <koyo001> or dont know how to mount it
[12:01] <koyo001> can someone help me
[12:01] <klobster> it should automount
[12:02] <vzduch> or at least it should pop up a requester asking what to do
[12:02] <koyo001> from where do i access it__
[12:02] <koyo001> i wanna copy my files
[12:02] <whizadree> hey
[12:03] <klobster> try /media
[12:03] <klobster> it should be a folder in there
[12:04] <koyo001> its not
[12:04] <koyo001> tried
[12:04] <whizadree> any rules in here?
[12:05] <koyo001> what is the main ubuntu forum for help???
[12:05] <klobster> it's here
[12:05] <klobster> !patience
[12:05] <ubotu> The people here are volunteers, your attitude may determine how fast you are helped.  Not everyone is available all the time, likewise not every answer is available instantly. See also http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines
[12:05] <NickPresta> koyo001, http://ubuntuforums.org/
[12:06] <koyo001> thanks nickpresta
[12:06] <whizadree> thers also https://help.ubuntu.com/ i guess
[12:06] <klobster> koyo001: what type of drive is it?
[12:07] <koyo001> klobster: seagate 250gig removable drive
[12:08] <klobster> firewire or USB?
[12:08] <koyo001> not sure
[12:10] <koyo001> klobster: usb 2.0
[12:10] <whizadree> well i have a darndest problem and wonder if anyone can help here , i have dell inspiron e1705 aka as the 9400 , and it has been one pain after another , trying to install Kubuntu ... i really just want to get rid of vista eck! and be able to run Kub'
[12:11] <koyo001> klobster: removable drive
[12:11] <klobster> koyo001: can you run dmesg and paste the output to  http://dpaste.com/
[12:13] <adenicio> how to decible shared option and control option(from people no to activate to allowd to control my mouse n keyboard)
[12:14] <koyo001> klobster:http://dpaste.com/16072/
[12:15] <adenicio> how to stop shared option and control option(from people no to activate to allowd to control my mouse n keyboard)