[12:28] <kousotu> ubuntu_apologist: any ideas?
[12:28] <kousotu> cause I need my wifi card
[12:30] <ubuntu_apologist> oh, sorry
[12:30] <ubuntu_apologist> ummmmm
[12:30] <ubuntu_apologist> does it show up in lsmod?
[12:33] <kousotu> um..
[12:33] <kousotu> idk
[12:33] <kousotu> it used to wor
[12:33] <kousotu> work*
[12:36] <ubuntu_apologist> does it come as a separate package?  is it handled by restricted-modules?
[12:37] <kousotu> it worked bedefault
[12:37] <kousotu> by*
[12:37] <kousotu> jut sudo modprobe rw1211rw
[12:37] <kousotu> and it worked perfectly
[12:40] <ubuntu_apologist> you fixed it, or that's the old behavior?
[12:40] <kousotu> old
[12:40] <kousotu> that was befor the kernal update
[12:40] <kousotu> now it efuses to connect
[12:40] <ubuntu_apologist> you try booting with the old kernel?
[12:41] <ubuntu_apologist> that's probably your best bet until the new one comes out.
[12:41] <kousotu> you can do that?
[12:41] <kousotu> lol
[12:41] <ubuntu_apologist> yeah
[12:41] <kousotu> um...
[12:41] <ubuntu_apologist> should be on your grub menu
[12:41] <kousotu> can it be remade?
[12:41] <ubuntu_apologist> when it says "starting in 3 2 1" hit the key it tells you to
[12:41] <kousotu> mine shows up all options lol
[12:42] <ubuntu_apologist> it can, but you need the kernel sources, build-essentials, and a whole bunch of other crap that probably won't be worth it, since there will prolly be a new kernel out tomorrow or the next day
[12:42] <kousotu> lol
[12:42] <kousotu> well, I know where to get the source
[12:43] <kousotu> donno bout the kernal sources though
[12:43] <ubuntu_apologist> yeah, apt-source
[12:43] <ubuntu_apologist> you can snag the sources.
[12:43] <kousotu> no, I know the site lol
[12:43] <ubuntu_apologist> is this a kernel driver or a 3rd party driver?
[12:43] <kousotu> well, the kernal has one
[12:43] <kousotu> but if need be I can ndis it I think
[12:43] <kousotu> lol
[12:44] <kousotu> since ubutnu will copile ndiswrapper
[12:44] <kousotu> redhat wouldn't
[12:44] <ubuntu_apologist> redhat or fedora?
[12:45] <kousotu> rh9
[12:45] <ubuntu_apologist> hm
[12:45] <ubuntu_apologist> how old is that?
[12:45] <kousotu> I can pull up the old error if you'd like
[12:45] <ubuntu_apologist> i am looking help for the linux 10
[12:45] <kousotu> idk..
[12:45] <ubuntu_apologist> like i said
[12:46] <kousotu> a few years lol
[12:46] <ubuntu_apologist> just boot the old kernel and be done with it until the new one.  file a bug.
[12:47] <kousotu> and how would I file said bug?
[12:48] <ubuntu_apologist> !bug
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[12:50] <kousotu> you know what's funny?
[12:51] <kousotu> the mozilla frontpage says welcome to fiesty
[12:51] <kousotu> when Iknow it's not lol
[12:56] <opop> just an index page update.
[12:57] <opop> the excision of emily's hose
[01:03] <hkms> hey is where any #ubuntu ops here?
[01:03] <stdin> hkms: #ubuntu-ops
[01:04] <hkms> thanks
[01:04] <stdin> hkms: or call !ops if it's an emergency
[01:04] <kousotu> opop: is there a possible update for zd1211rw?
[01:04] <opop> i have no idea.
[01:04] <kousotu> how would I check, besides update manager?
[01:05] <hkms> stdin: that cmd was the problem :)
[01:05] <hkms> kousotu: apt-get install
[01:05] <hkms> but there is a better way
[01:05] <hkms> i just dont know how
[01:06] <gnomefreak> hkms: what do you need an op for?
[01:06] <hkms> gnomefreak: removing a ban
[01:06] <opop> http://media.ubuntu-nl.org/rss/gutsy.xml
[01:06] <gnomefreak> hkms: whos where?
[01:07] <hkms> gnomefreak: me #ubuntu
[01:07] <gnomefreak> hkms: give me a minute to pull it up
[01:07] <hkms> thanks :)
[01:07] <gnomefreak> hkms: join me in #ubuntu-ops
[01:08] <omha> gnomefreak: i am already there
[01:08] <gnomefreak> i see
[01:08] <kousotu> hkms: it doesn't help if I don't know what pacage to install
[01:09] <omha> kousotu: it will post a line about needed upgrades
[01:09] <opop> hmmmm
[01:09] <kousotu> ah...
[01:10] <kousotu> kousotu@demonZ:~$ sudo apt-get install
[01:10] <kousotu> [sudo]  password for kousotu:
[01:10] <kousotu> Reading package lists... Done
[01:10] <kousotu> Building dependency tree
[01:10] <kousotu> Reading state information... Done
[01:10] <kousotu> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[01:10] <kousotu> but I know zd needsne
[01:10] <kousotu> needs*
[01:12] <opop> sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
[01:12] <kousotu> can that be one line?
[01:12] <opop> si
[01:12] <omha> yea
[01:12] <gnomefreak> kousotu: use pastebin
[01:12] <kousotu> gracias
[01:13] <kousotu> gnomefreak: I cut off spamming  chan with 10 lines
[01:13] <stdin> && means "if the last command was successfull run the next command
[01:13] <kousotu> especailly a non-active one
[01:13] <stdin> s//"/
[01:13] <gnomefreak> kousotu: use pastebin to paste please
[01:14] <kousotu> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[01:15] <kousotu> gnomefreak: why would I need to in an empty channel for just a few lines
[01:15] <pace_t_zulu> so is anyone else experiencing very slow response for the shut down button?
[01:15] <gnomefreak> kousotu: dont paste in the channel, its not empty nor can you predict when someone comes in and needs help
[01:15] <kousotu> pace_t_zulu: no
[01:16] <gnomefreak> trying to upgrade a package that is not in repos with apt is not gonna happen either
[01:16] <posingaspopular> hey, im using tribe 3 and everytime i go to open 'add/remove programs' it shows a little ghost for where the program would be if it actually opened. but it never actually opens. whatsup with that? by ghost i mean, it shows a transperacy of the system trying to launch 'add/remove programs' but it never opens. whatsup with that?
[01:16] <kousotu> ?
[01:16] <gnomefreak> kousotu: zd1211rw is not a package
[01:17] <kousotu> ah..
[01:17] <gnomefreak> posingaspopular: what video card?
[01:17] <kousotu> well how would I get it working again?
[01:17] <gnomefreak> kousotu: go to where you got it at and do what you did last time
[01:17] <posingaspopular> gnomefreak: how do i get that info in the konsole?
[01:17] <posingaspopular> lshw?
[01:17] <gnomefreak> posingaspopular: lspci
[01:17] <posingaspopular> oh duh
[01:17] <gnomefreak> posingaspopular: any other GUI apps giving you issues?
[01:18] <posingaspopular> nope
[01:18] <posingaspopular> everything else is perfect, except for open office not opening
[01:18] <kousotu> gnomefreak: maybe ou missed the fact I said  it was pre-coded inot ubuntu?
[01:19] <posingaspopular> it's an integrated intel 82801DB  or something like that
[01:19] <gnomefreak> kousotu: if its not working, its not in ubuntu repos, apt-get update,upgrade dist-upgrade will not help. where did you get it from to start with
[01:19] <gnomefreak> posingaspopular: im guessing you have compiz running?
[01:19] <posingaspopular> nope
[01:19] <gnomefreak> iirc tribe3 for intels was turned on by default
[01:20] <posingaspopular> gnomefreak: does it matter if i did update dist, not installing it from cd
[01:20] <gnomefreak> posingaspopular: no
[01:20] <gnomefreak> shouldnt
[01:20] <posingaspopular> hmmm
[01:20] <gnomefreak> as you saw compiz and freinds install
[01:21] <gnomefreak> posingaspopular: look in ps aux to see if its running
[01:21] <opop> http://omploader.org/vMWR1
[01:21] <kousotu> [17:43]  <ubuntu_apologist> is this a kernel driver or a 3rd party driver?
[01:21] <kousotu> [17:43]  <kousotu> well, the kernal has one
[01:21] <kousotu> [17:43]  <kousotu> but if need be I can ndis it I think
[01:21] <kousotu> [17:43]  <kousotu> lol
[01:21] <kousotu> [17:44]  <kousotu> since ubutnu will copile ndiswrapper
[01:22] <gnomefreak> posingaspopular: file a bug on ubuntu at launchpad.net i still think this is a compiz caused UI issue
[01:22] <opop> wow, i got a dominican quarter as change today
[01:22] <gnomefreak> kousotu: i asked you not to paste please use pastebin
[01:22] <posingaspopular> gnomefreak: what command am i looking for?
[01:23] <kousotu> you were here when I said it
[01:23] <gnomefreak> posingaspopular: to see if it s running look at either top or ps aux
[01:23] <posingaspopular> im in ps aux, and it has a list of commands which are running. i see amarok, screen, pidgin, which one is compix?
[01:24] <gnomefreak> Pricey: any easy way to tell if compiz is running other than top,ps aux, and friends?
[01:25] <Pricey> erm...
[01:25] <crdlb> echo $WINDOW_MANAGER ?
[01:25] <gnomefreak> crdlb: would work but compiz uses metacity
[01:25] <gnomefreak> afaik
[01:26] <kousotu> great...
[01:26] <kousotu> epsxe wants to bebitchy...
[01:26] <crdlb> to make the metacity settings thing work?
[01:26] <gnomefreak> crdlb: i think his add/remove issue is a UI/compiz rendering issue
[01:26] <gnomefreak> intel afaik compiz is default
[01:27] <gnomefreak> need to know if its running to see if its causing it
[01:27] <kousotu> donno how many lines this isgonna be..
[01:27] <kousotu> * Running ePSXe emulator version 1.6.0.
[01:27] <kousotu> plugins/libcdrmooby-2.8.so: undefined symbol: XftDrawSetClipkousotu@demonZ:~/Documents/epsxe160lin$
[01:27] <gnomefreak> kousotu: stop
[01:27] <databuddy> hey anyone know of a way to turn the mouse pointer blue?
[01:27] <databuddy> @_@
[01:27] <kousotu> why did it try to open cdr when I sad gfx??
[01:27] <kousotu> databuddy: ya
[01:27] <kousotu> databuddy: sec
[01:28] <gnomefreak> databuddy: did you look in system>prefferneces>apperance
[01:28] <pace_t_zulu> the push is for stability at this point with gutsy right?
[01:28] <gnomefreak> under the mouse tab
[01:28] <databuddy> o sweeeeeeeeeeeeeeet
[01:28] <databuddy> im gonna take a sexy screeny right after :D
[01:28] <kousotu> gnomefreak: any ideas?
[01:29] <gnomefreak> pace_t_zulu: what do you mean? as in at devel or for all around when released
[01:29] <gnomefreak> kousotu: yes STOP PASTING
[01:29] <databuddy> gnomefreak: different pointers - but i dont see an option to make it blue
[01:29] <gnomefreak> databuddy: you may have to install cursor themes
[01:29] <kousotu> gnomefreak: smartass... I meant the gfx problem
[01:29] <pace_t_zulu> my ntfs disk won't mount consistently
[01:29] <gnomefreak> kousotu: i will refuse to help you until you can obey the rules. and watch your language
[01:30] <crdlb> posingaspopular, what's the output of: lspci|grep VGA
[01:30] <crdlb> ?
[01:30] <pace_t_zulu> what is the preferred method for enabling/disabling compiz in gutsy?
[01:31] <gnomefreak> pace_t_zulu: system>prefferences>apperanace
[01:31] <gnomefreak> appearance
[01:31] <pace_t_zulu> thank you
[01:31] <gnomefreak> yw
[01:32] <kousotu> fine, I'll gp elsewhere to get my help since you're to busy being an asshole to help
[01:32] <kousotu> go*
[01:32] <opop> aw, man, i just found something for him, too.
[01:36] <opop> omploader
[01:38] <pace_t_zulu> desktop effects isn't working for me
[01:38] <pace_t_zulu> where can i view the log from that script?
[01:40] <gnomefreak> /var/log is where most logs are kept.
[01:41] <crdlb> just run compiz --replace in a terminal
[01:44] <pace_t_zulu_> hello?
[01:44] <crdlb> hi
[01:44] <pace_t_zulu_> so here is the log when i do compiz --replace
[01:45] <pace_t_zulu_> so i won't spam the board with that
[01:45] <pace_t_zulu_> but i'll put the last successful line
[01:46] <crdlb> use a pastebin
[01:46] <pace_t_zulu_> Loaded symbols for /usr/lib/compiz/libneg.so
[01:46] <pace_t_zulu_> pastebin?
[01:46] <crdlb> !pastebin
[01:46] <pace_t_zulu_> sorry i'm a noob
[01:46] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[01:46] <opop> !eatpaste
[01:46] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about eatpaste - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:46] <pace_t_zulu_> !eatpoo
[01:46] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about eatpoo - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:47] <pace_t_zulu_> is firefox3 going to make it into gusty?
[01:48] <pace_t_zulu_> Loaded symbols for /usr/lib/compiz/libneg.so
[01:48] <pace_t_zulu_> that's the last good line
[01:48] <crdlb> just paste the full output to the pastebin
[01:48] <crdlb> then click paste and it will give you a page you can link to here
[01:49] <pace_t_zulu_> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/32563/
[01:49] <pace_t_zulu_> is that what you need?
[01:50] <crdlb> yeah
 To fix your beryl/compiz window decorations (titlebars) with an nVidia graphics card, run  sudo nvidia-xconfig --add-argb-glx-visuals -d 24 , then restart !X.
[01:50] <crdlb> run that ^^ it might help
[01:52] <RAOF> pace_t_zulu: Firefox 3 is already in gutsy, but it won't be default.  It needs to be released before that happens :)
[01:59] <pace_t_zulu> hey guys
[02:01] <pace_t_zulu> what does "Exta Effects" add to "Normal Effects"
[02:01] <pace_t_zulu> ?
[02:01] <crdlb> pace_t_zulu, works now?
[02:05] <pace_t_zulu> just had a crash
[02:05] <pace_t_zulu> but it was working
[02:05] <pace_t_zulu> for bout 5 min
[02:05] <pace_t_zulu> i just re-enabled it
[02:13] <gnomefreak> RAOF: it will be removed before gutsy is released is what we plan to do
[02:21] <pace_t_zulu> am i the only one who thinks the language support icon is an eyesore?
[02:27] <pace_t_zulu> is no one here?
[02:28] <gnomefreak> im working on something
[02:32] <pace_t_zulu> have i been banned from this channel?
[02:33] <RAOF> gnomefreak: Oh, fair enough.
[02:33] <gnomefreak> pace_t_zulu: your here your not banned
[02:33] <RAOF> pace_t_zulu: No.  There's just nobody here :)
[02:33] <gnomefreak> RAOF: me and alexander will talk about this see how far mozilla gets with it
[02:33] <pace_t_zulu> i was getting self conscious
[02:33] <pace_t_zulu> am i the only one who thinks the language support icon is an eyesore?
[02:34] <void^> probably
[02:35] <RAOF> gnomefreak: Ah, cool.  There have been a couple of new alpha releases it seems since the alpha 5 - are they wanted?  Is anyone packaging them up?  Can I help? :)
[02:35] <gnomefreak> RAOF: they are all FTBFS
[02:35] <gnomefreak> RAOF: im working on it as we speak
[02:36] <gnomefreak> upstream has screwed up big time on thier builds so we are patching what we can and rest waiting for them to hit
[02:36] <RAOF> Awesome.  Yay upstream!
[02:36] <gnomefreak> yeah :(
[02:37] <gnomefreak> we had alot of builds after a5 but they crahsed due t5o upstream cario when they fixed that they broke a bunch of other crap
[02:38] <gnomefreak> if all goes well you will have a7 in repos mid week
[02:38] <RAOF> Yay
[02:38] <pace_t_zulu> how do i increase the number of workspaces i have in gnome?
[02:39] <xtknight> pace_t_zulu, right click on the workspace manager
[02:39] <pace_t_zulu> no
[02:39] <xtknight> no?
[02:39] <kousotu> gnomefreak: care to cite the EXACT rules?
[02:39] <pace_t_zulu> oops
[02:40] <xtknight> i mean right click the workspace swithcer, prefs, raise amount of workspaces/
[02:40] <pace_t_zulu> doesn't let me increase
[02:40] <gnomefreak> kousotu: yes i would please join me in #ubuntu-ops
[02:40] <pace_t_zulu> only things i have are...
[02:40] <pace_t_zulu> show only the current workspace
[02:40] <pace_t_zulu> show all workspaces in:
[02:40] <pace_t_zulu> 1 rows
[02:40] <xtknight> pace_t_zulu, click show all workspaces in
[02:41] <pace_t_zulu> and do what?
[02:43] <xtknight> pace_t_zulu, you can't raise the # of workspaces?
[02:43] <xtknight> what's the max on yours?
[02:43] <pace_t_zulu> no just the number of rows
[02:43] <xtknight> pace_t_zulu, the "Number of workspaces" is grayed out?
[02:43] <pace_t_zulu> i just found it under general options in the CompizConfig Settings Manager
[02:44] <xtknight> hmm
[02:44] <pace_t_zulu> there is nothing regarding the number of workspaces
[02:44] <xtknight> i have compiz fusion with the same manager i can increase to at least 16
[02:44] <pace_t_zulu> it just controls the number of rows in the switcher
[02:45] <xtknight> i have that, i also have a number of wkspaces that controls the workspaces.  both work here.  do you see "number of Workspaces" at all in that dialog?  or is it just grayed out?
[02:49] <pace_t_zulu> not at all
[02:50] <xtknight> try resizing the window?
[02:50] <xtknight> can you post a screenshot of what it looks like?
[02:50] <pace_t_zulu> k
[02:50] <pace_t_zulu> where to
[02:50] <xtknight> imageshack.us
[02:50] <xtknight> http://imageshack.us/
[02:51] <pace_t_zulu> where do compiz screenshots save?
[02:51] <pace_t_zulu> nevermine
[02:51] <xtknight> usually desktop
[02:55] <pace_t_zulu> http://img380.imageshack.us/img380/9721/screenshotjo9.png
[02:55] <pace_t_zulu> there you go
[02:55] <xtknight> oh, that is weird.  what version of Ubuntu?
[02:55] <pace_t_zulu> gutsy
[02:55] <pace_t_zulu> current
[02:56] <pace_t_zulu> with repos
[02:56] <xtknight> ah i use feisty atm
[02:56] <xtknight> did you try resizing it?
[02:56] <xtknight> if you can
[02:56] <pace_t_zulu> yeah, no dice
[02:56] <pace_t_zulu> i just upgraded yesterday
[02:56] <xtknight> odd
[02:56] <pace_t_zulu> i've been working out a lot of kinks
[02:56] <pace_t_zulu> and i'm just trying to make problems known
[02:56] <pace_t_zulu> and get help solving them
[02:57] <xtknight> let me try my Gutsy VM
[02:57] <xtknight> if i can reproduce the problem then we can start a bug
[02:57] <RAOF> (Won't work - you'll be needing OpenGL to reproduce)
[02:57] <xtknight> or even if i can't, maybe it's a compiz problem
[02:57] <Jettis> you can't change that when you use compiz
[02:58] <xtknight> i can change it and i have compiz
[02:58] <Jettis> :/
[02:58] <xtknight> if you can't i'd call it a design bug imio
[02:58] <xtknight> imo
[02:58] <Jettis> so you have that "workspaces on cube" or something on?
[02:58] <xtknight> hmm not enabled atm
[02:58] <xtknight> couldn't get it to work
[02:59] <pace_t_zulu> brb
[02:59] <pace_t_zulu> gonna burn one down
[03:16] <arooni> hey folks
[03:16] <arooni> how stable is tribe 3 of gibbon?
[03:17] <arooni> and does it deal better with the jmicron controller
[03:18] <xtknight> arooni, i think tty job control is related to an intel chipset problem not necessarily jmicron
[03:18] <pace_t_zulu> not very stable
[03:18] <pace_t_zulu> i'm running it right now
[03:18] <pace_t_zulu> it's pretty good
[03:18] <xtknight> arooni,  i dont know though.  have you tried disabling JMicron.  does that permit you to boot the livecd?
[03:19] <arooni> xtknight: i dont know how to disable jmicron
[03:19] <xtknight> arooni, there should be an option in the BIOS
[03:19] <xtknight> maybe, in PCI/ide pnp device configuration or similar
[03:20] <arooni> xtknight: dont i need jmicron though?
[03:20] <arooni> if i have pata/ide drives?
[03:21] <xtknight> if you dont have another controller, yes
[03:21] <xtknight> is your cd drive on it?
[03:21] <xtknight> do you have a usb drive available?
[03:22] <arooni> i only have pata drives
[03:22] <arooni> and i do have a usb drive
[03:22] <xtknight> usb cd drive?
[03:22] <arooni> nope
[03:23] <arooni> they are all pata
[03:23] <xtknight> flash/ big HD usb?
[03:23] <xtknight> im thinking of some alternate boot methodsf
[03:23] <xtknight> you could get another PCI IDE controller.  thats what i did since i also have an unstable JMicron
[03:23] <xtknight> until then i used a usb cd drive
[03:23] <xtknight> sata drives are cheap too.  500gigs for $110
[03:23] <xtknight> but youre still gonna need a cd drive
[03:24] <xtknight> unless you use the usb flash or other methods
[03:24] <arooni> my cd is pata
[03:24] <arooni> so... are we saying that jmicron is only for pata drives?
[03:24] <xtknight> hm
[03:24] <xtknight> i think so
[03:24] <arooni> not for sata
[03:24] <xtknight> what chipset do you have?
[03:25] <arooni> intel 965
[03:25] <xtknight> there are some jmicron sata chips also
[03:25] <xtknight> ok
[03:25] <xtknight> then you hook up SATA directly to the 965
[03:25] <xtknight> the 965 does not have pata ports, but it does have sata
[03:25] <arooni> right my mobo bolted on some ide ports
[03:25] <arooni> abit ib9
[03:25] <xtknight> everyone who has a 965 is in the same situation
[03:25] <arooni> with the jmicron or ite controller
[03:25] <xtknight> intel did away with 'em
[03:25] <arooni> so, sounds like i dont want this mobo
[03:25] <arooni> screw intel
[03:26] <xtknight> not worth getting rid of your mobo though
[03:26] <arooni> i want my ide ;p
[03:26] <arooni> but i dont have to pay for it
[03:26] <xtknight> just get a Promise PCI ide controller
[03:26] <arooni> i can strill return it
[03:26] <arooni> to frys
[03:26] <xtknight> what are you going to get that has ide ports?
[03:26] <xtknight> none of the 965s have them unless by Jmicron
[03:26] <arooni> arent there mobos with ide ports
[03:26] <xtknight> not sure
[03:26] <arooni> well maybe i get a different one (new chipset)
[03:27] <xtknight> well those may have troubles with linux
[03:27] <xtknight> newer nvidias and ATI rs700s/etc
[03:27] <arooni> like this one for instance: http://www.ecs.com.tw/ECSWebSite/Products/ProductsDetail.aspx?detailid=692&DetailName=Specification&MenuID=44&LanID=0
[03:27] <arooni> VIA  PT890 & VT8237A
[03:27] <arooni> chipset
[03:27] <arooni> honestly i would rather not unplug mobo
[03:27] <arooni> cuz its a pain
[03:28] <xtknight> yea i know.  you can grab a pci ide controller for cheap though
[03:28] <RAOF> I was under the impression that jmicron worked now, frankly.
[03:28] <xtknight> not very well
[03:28] <arooni> ok
[03:28] <arooni> so what if plugin an ide pci controller card
[03:28] <xtknight> that would work
[03:28] <xtknight> that's what im doing
[03:29] <xtknight> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16816102027
[03:29] <pace_t_zulu> hey i figured out the workspaces thing
[03:29] <xtknight> pace_t_zulu, yeah?
[03:29] <arooni> would that kill this problem: p5nsli asus
[03:29] <pace_t_zulu> it happens when i enable normal effects
[03:29] <arooni> i mean: /bin/sh: can't access tty; job control turned off
[03:29] <xtknight> arooni, i dont know.
[03:29] <xtknight> probably
[03:29] <xtknight> very likely, at least
[03:29] <arooni> are u booting from an ide drive
[03:30] <xtknight> i have all sata and 2 IDE DVD drives
[03:30] <xtknight> i think i had the TTY job control issue with dapper
[03:30] <arooni> i have feisty
[03:30] <xtknight> it's the installation media that it cant read from
[03:30] <xtknight> if you put your cd drives on the Promise controller there shouldnt be a problem
[03:31] <arooni> jmicron is a sillly thing
[03:31] <arooni> so ...
[03:31] <arooni> how will i control it xtknight
[03:31] <arooni> boot order
[03:31] <pace_t_zulu> definitely needs work
[03:32] <xtknight> arooni, are you able to disable JMicron in the bios?
[03:32] <xtknight> arooni, the Promise card takes control of the boot process automatically.
[03:32] <xtknight> arooni, whenever there is a bootable cd in the drive
[03:32] <xtknight> if there is a bootable CD in the drive, it will always boot first due to the Promise card bios
[03:33] <arooni> xtknight: ithre is a section: 'integrated perhiperals' => onboard pci device => IDE controller [enable/disable] 
[03:33] <xtknight> ah
[03:33] <xtknight> ok you'll disable that when you get the Promise controller
[03:33] <arooni> theres also an On Chip Ide Device => IDE Bus Master [enable/disable] 
[03:34] <arooni> but isnt that for the SATA drives?
[03:34] <xtknight> ide? no
[03:34] <arooni> well i'm confused
[03:34] <xtknight> and the Promise card is for IDE
[03:34] <xtknight> IDE is not SATA.  IDE=PATA
[03:34] <arooni> well what do i want to enable/disable
[03:34] <xtknight> IDE controller
[03:34] <arooni> not the IDE Bus Master too?
[03:34] <xtknight> you shouldnt need to mess with ide bus master if IDE controller is disabled
[03:34] <xtknight> it won't apply
[03:34] <arooni> ok
[03:35] <arooni> so this works with ubuntu?
[03:35] <arooni> the promise card
[03:35] <arooni> even if i have no sata driveds present at all
[03:35] <arooni> and i want to boot from ide ?
[03:35] <xtknight> here is what i use
[03:35] <xtknight> 04:00.0 Mass storage controller: Promise Technology, Inc. PDC20268 (Ultra100 TX2) (rev 02)
[03:35] <xtknight> dont need sata drives
[03:36] <xtknight> i'm pretty sure you should be able to boot from it
[03:37] <xtknight> Operating Systems Supported  	Windows Server 2003/XP/2000/ME/98; Netware 5.1/6.0; Linux
[03:38] <arooni>  would yo ugo with the promise one
[03:38] <arooni> over cheap ones at frys
[03:38] <xtknight> probably
[03:38] <xtknight> it's more brand name
[03:39] <xtknight> also with this Promise controller, the windows install froze.  so you need to use a floppy to install windows on it.
[03:40] <xtknight> a floppy with updated drivers, at least for mine
[03:40] <xtknight> it worked 100% out of the box with linux
[03:42] <arooni> ok
[03:42] <arooni> so u think this will solve my problem
[03:42] <arooni> of accessing ide drives?
[03:42] <arooni> and booting the live cd
[03:42] <arooni> getting rid of this job access tty problem ?
[03:46] <arooni> xtknight: ?
[03:46] <xtknight> arooni, yes
[03:46] <arooni> opik
[03:46] <xtknight> arooni, i think it will solve all problems
[03:46] <arooni> i will give it a shot
[03:47] <xtknight> better idea than new mobo
[03:47] <arooni> this is not an os thing
[03:47] <arooni> this is a hardware thing
[03:47] <arooni> huh
[03:47] <xtknight> well, it's an OS-not-supporting-the-harware thing ;)
[03:47] <arooni> but
[03:47] <xtknight> windows probably works fine
[03:47] <arooni> if i upgraded to guttysy gibbon
[03:47] <arooni> would that fix it
[03:48] <xtknight> maybe, you'd have to check the linux kernel mailing list, or just try a livecd and see what happens
[03:48] <arooni> what speed
[03:48] <arooni> can i write it at?
[03:48] <arooni> 1-40X?
[03:48] <xtknight> any
[03:48] <xtknight> unless you have media-related problems.
[03:49] <xtknight> i dont think so
[03:49] <arooni> ok i will give one last chance to let ubuntu fix it
[03:49] <arooni> before spending another couple of hours fixing this :(
[03:50] <arooni> xtknight: i worry by disabling the ide controller that sata wont work
[03:50] <arooni> is that the case?
[03:51] <xtknight> arooni, i dont think that will happen
[03:51] <xtknight> SATA should be just fine
[03:51] <xtknight> you look like in your motherboard's manual
[03:51] <xtknight> it might say, "Ide controller" controls JMicron
[03:51] <xtknight> you might look**
[03:51] <arooni> well ide == sata too right
[03:51] <xtknight> no
[03:51] <arooni> ok
[03:51] <arooni> u know what i'm gonna buy a huge SATA hard drive + dvd drive + hard drive enclosuers + promise ide card
[03:52] <arooni> and just *hope* the ide promise card works
[03:52] <arooni> so i can buy less stuff
[03:52] <xtknight> it should work
[03:55] <arooni> ok so lets see if this gusty works
[03:55] <arooni> if not
[03:55] <arooni> off to frys
[03:55] <xtknight> k
[03:56] <arooni> the gutsy cd doesnt boot?
[03:56] <arooni> :(
[03:57] <arooni> nevermind it does
[03:58] <arooni> is the intel 965 chipset better for ubuntu than the nvidia ones or via?
[03:58] <xtknight> yes
[03:58] <xtknight> intel tends to be more stable.  the 965 has been out longer than those
[03:58] <xtknight> it has better overclocking performance too, indicating very good stability and control underneath
[03:59] <arooni> same problem for gibbon
[03:59] <arooni> the 'can'taccess tty; job control turned off'
[03:59] <xtknight> darn
[03:59] <arooni> looks like its off to frys
[03:59] <xtknight> yaeh
[03:59] <xtknight> good luck
[03:59] <arooni> thankx
[03:59] <arooni> i ll be back
[05:17] <Ademan> hey this isn't really appropriate for this channel but i figure there's a much higher chance of someone knowing the answer than in #ubuntu and i don't know of a better channel for this.  Is it possible (through a kernel module or otherwise) to implement something equivalent to shared object loading?  I was just toying with the idea of a hierarchical symbol table and I thought it would be awesome to implement it, although frankl
[05:17] <Ademan> y nothing would probably ever come of this... i'm still rather curious
[05:22] <xtknight> Ademan, #linux ?
[05:23] <Ademan> xtknight: thats entirely too logical, thanks
[05:24] <RAOF> Ademan: I believe there *are* dynamic loaders which implement that.  ELF doesn't, or we don't use it, or something :)
[05:25] <Ademan> RAOF: ah :-), i've been thinking about all of the problems with c++, probably the most important of which is symbol mangling, much of which could be solved with a hierarchal symbol table (except for function overloading)
[05:28] <RAOF> Ademan: It's a deliberate choice to make dynamic loading exactly the same as static linking.  Whether or not this is a good idea is debateable :)
[05:29] <RAOF> (Basically, you want libfoo depends on libbar 1.2 and libbaz depends on libbar 1.3 to work, right? - they can each load their own library version, and only have those symbols?)
[05:32] <Ademan> RAOF: actually no i was thinking more in regards to the way c++ symbols are stored, i don't know the EXACT storage, but names get mangled
[05:32] <Ademan> void Foo::Bar()      becomes like C_Foo_Bar_void   or some crap like that
[05:33] <RAOF> Yeah, that's right.  So, what would you do differently?
[05:33] <Ademan> instead the linker at runtime would lookup within the symbol table, the symbol named "Foo" which rather than pointing to a function within the file, points to yet another symbol table, which contains the symbol Foo
[05:34] <Ademan> crap
[05:34] <Ademan> i said it wrong
[05:34] <RAOF> I'm not sure how that helps :)
[05:34] <Ademan> the last Foo should be Bar
[05:34] <RAOF> What if you have Foo::Bar() and Foo::Bar(std::string baz)?
[05:34] <RAOF> You still need to mangle.
[05:35] <Ademan> well that's function overloading, which i'm still thinking about lol
[05:35] <Ademan> but it does eliminate the mangling associated with namespaces and member functions
[05:35] <Ademan> i dunno, this is really just the musings of a madman
[05:35] <RAOF> Yeah.  But why?  What does less mangling actually solve?
[05:36] <Ademan> well i guess i was thinking about how the mangling "scheme" isn't well defined, and is really implementation dependent
[05:37] <Ademan> i dunno just ignore me :-p
[05:37] <arooni> hey xtknight u still thre?
[05:37] <xtknight> arooni, ya
[05:37] <RAOF> Nah, it's interesting.
[05:37] <xtknight> Ademan, what's the benefit of this?  what's not working now and what will it fix?  i dont really understand any of those terms
[05:37] <arooni> xtknight: ok back from frys i bought a bunch of stuff
[05:37] <RAOF> But couldn't you get the same thing by just defining a standard mangling scheme?
[05:38] <Ademan> RAOF: yeah, you could but i don't see that happening, but i guess its probably less far fetched than everyone adopting my insane new library format haha
[05:39] <arooni> xtknight: ok so i also got aq new mobo in case (P5n-e SLI)
[05:39] <xtknight> arooni, ahhh nvidia chipset right?
[05:39] <arooni> xtknight: yes
[05:39] <arooni> xtknight: what do u think about replacing the abit with this one
[05:39] <arooni> by the time i add price of promise card
[05:40] <arooni> its about the same price
[05:40] <xtknight> which abit model was it again?
[05:40] <arooni> xtknight: IB9
[05:42] <Ademan> anywho i should get going, it's late and i've got a nasty habbit of staying up way way too late
[05:43] <DanaG> s/hab/hob/
[05:44] <RAOF> Nasty hobbits!
[05:45] <xtknight> arooni, not sure which board is better really.  ive always liked asus
[05:45] <xtknight> arooni, besides, if it doesnt haev the jmicron controller.
[05:46] <arooni> hwo do i find out
[05:46] <xtknight> what was Ademan talking about?
[05:46] <xtknight> the dynamic link stuff
[05:46] <arooni> whether it has the jmicron controller or not
[05:46] <xtknight> arooni, im trying to figure that out right now on the web
[05:46] <xtknight> not all jmicrons are affectedf
[05:46] <xtknight> mine worked, sort of
[05:46] <xtknight> it worked to install
[05:46] <xtknight> but it was unstable crap afterwards
[05:48] <xtknight> arooni, it looks like it has the same jmicron as my board.  so it might sort of work
[05:48] <xtknight> does IB9 have jmicron or ITE:?  im getting conflicting reports
[05:49] <arooni> xtknight: but u had to get separate promse card right
[05:49] <arooni> to ge tit to work
[05:49] <arooni> ib9 has ITE when it boots up
[05:49] <arooni> it says "ITE detecting drives"
[05:49] <arooni> and manual says u need to install an ite driver
[05:49] <arooni> to access ide channels
[05:50] <xtknight> arooni, i think my jmicron worked ever since Feisty.  it refused to work on dapper and edgy
[05:50] <xtknight> arooni, however, even in Feisty i had tons of errors with the jmicron AFTER the installation
[05:50] <xtknight> so i got the dedicated controller
[05:50] <xtknight> problems gone
[05:51] <xtknight> jmicron worked ever since 2.6.18, supposedly
[05:51] <xtknight> i had to use feisty for ethernet support too anyway becaues my mobo was new
[05:51] <xtknight> i think
[05:51] <arooni> so did you buy the card before 2.6.18 came out?
[06:12] <kousotu> !dvd
[06:12] <ubotu> For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss2" can be found at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - Try k9copy (available in !Universe) for backing up DVDs
[06:34] <SeveredCross> Anyone have issues with borked colors and fglrx?
[06:35] <voidmage> solution: don't use fglrx
[06:35] <voidmage> ;P
[06:35] <SeveredCross> I have to.
[06:35] <SeveredCross> Mobility Radeon X1400
[06:50] <arooni> if board wants a 24 pin atx power adapter, and all i have is a 20 pin adapter.... am i hosed?
[07:06] <voidmage> meh, zsnes is broken with compiz right now
[07:08] <kousotu> how do you get DVD playback to work?
[07:08] <kousotu> and don't say !dvd I tried that
[07:13] <voidmage> i installed libdvdcss2 in medibuntu
[07:13] <voidmage> and i usually play in mplayer
[07:13] <voidmage> !dvd
[07:13] <ubotu> For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss2" can be found at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - Try k9copy (available in !Universe) for backing up DVDs
[07:14] <kousotu> I tried all that
[07:21] <arooni> xtknight: hey u there
[07:21] <xtknight> arooni, yea
[07:21] <arooni> xtknight: so i swaped mobos
[07:21] <arooni> and now i get further on boot
[07:21] <xtknight> ah
[07:21] <arooni> i'm trying to boot the live cd
[07:22] <arooni> but i get a lot of 'buffer i/o error on device hda, logical block 296186
[07:22] <arooni> is that normal
[07:22] <xtknight> and hda is cd drive?
[07:22] <arooni> i dont know
[07:22] <arooni> how can i know that
[07:22] <xtknight> are you on linux now?
[07:22] <xtknight> livedc?
[07:22] <arooni> nope
[07:22] <arooni> didnt get that far
[07:22] <arooni> i'm on my laptopy
[07:22] <arooni> watching long output
[07:22] <xtknight> hmm
[07:23] <arooni> of live cd trying to start on desktop
[07:23] <xtknight> well if logical block isnt causing a problem..
[07:23] <arooni> its been trying to boot up for 333 seconds now
[07:24] <xtknight> have you tried the promise controller
[07:24] <arooni> nope
[07:24] <xtknight> hey i have a mobo that i know works
[07:24] <xtknight> gigabyte ga-965p-ds3
[07:25] <xtknight> not that you want to buy another mobo, but..
[07:25] <arooni> hehehe
[07:25] <arooni> no i'm sick of moobs
[07:25] <arooni> this is like my 4th
[07:25] <xtknight> yikeas
[07:25] <arooni> in a week
[07:25] <xtknight> hmm
[07:25] <xtknight> let's see...so the livecd doesn't work.?
[07:25] <arooni> um
[07:25] <xtknight> it keeps spitting out logical block...
[07:25] <arooni> well
[07:25] <arooni> i dont know how long to wait
[07:25] <xtknight> hmm
[07:25] <arooni> how long it normaly takes
[07:26] <xtknight> well not more than 15mins
[07:26] <xtknight> but you may as well wait
[07:26] <xtknight> a little..
[07:26] <arooni> i want this to work sooo badly
[07:26] <arooni> i'm so sick of ths problem
[07:26] <xtknight> ya i understand'
[07:27] <xtknight> i had same frustration with my board
[07:27] <arooni> man
[07:27] <xtknight> i ended up installing dapper from a usb cd drive
[07:27] <arooni> it was jsut supposed to be a simple upgrade
[07:27] <xtknight> and manually compiling a network driver
[07:27] <masquerade> Anyone here had problems with audacity the past few weeks?
[07:27] <xtknight> yeah
[07:27] <xtknight> i know, simple right...not with core 2 duo =/
[07:27] <arooni> just a little faster process + mem
[07:27] <arooni> why
[07:27] <arooni> is it so nasty
[07:27] <xtknight> new HW, i guess
[07:28] <xtknight> but i think the promise controller will fix all your problems
[07:28] <xtknight> both ITE and jmicron controller support is flaky, i guess
[07:28] <xtknight> masquerade, i use audacity daily
[07:29] <arooni> do they make pciexpress ide controllers?
[07:29] <xtknight> masquerade, i havent had any issues
[07:29] <xtknight> arooni, expensive i think
[07:29] <masquerade> xtknight, you amd64 then, per chance?
[07:29] <xtknight> arooni, does that board have no pci slots?
[07:29] <arooni> no i have two
[07:29] <arooni> but one is for wifi
[07:29] <xtknight> masquerade, i have an amd64-arch cpu (Core 2), but i use the 32-bit distro.
[07:29] <arooni> one is sound blaster live
[07:29] <arooni> zomg
[07:29] <masquerade> xtknight, alright, perhaps its an amd64 specific issue then
[07:29] <arooni> this is looking more promising
[07:29] <arooni> loading kernel drivers
[07:29] <xtknight> masquerade, which issue exactly?  bug # yet?
[07:29] <xtknight> arooni, ;)
[07:29] <arooni> configuring network interffaces
[07:29] <arooni> setting up concosle
[07:30] <arooni> starting acpi
[07:30] <masquerade> xtknight, can't really look to see if there's a bug yet :)
[07:30] <arooni> sorry i'm just really thrilled
[07:30] <arooni> zomg gnome display manager
[07:30] <masquerade> launchpad is down at the moment
[07:30] <arooni> OMG user interfacder!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11
[07:30] <arooni> no way!!!!!!!!!!1
[07:30] <xtknight> masquerade, sorry i forgot to mention i use feisty not gutsy
[07:31] <masquerade> xtknight, that could also explain it :-P
[07:31] <xtknight> masquerade, i have a gutsy vm, so i can test audacity a bit.  what exactly is wrong?
[07:31] <arooni> omg user interface looks sooooooooo good
[07:31] <xtknight> masquerade, actually a little inconveninent now, doing some realtime video capture :)
[07:31] <xtknight> arooni, lol no more gray on black, it's...it's Ubuntu!!
[07:31] <xtknight> on a core 2
[07:31] <xtknight> :)
[07:31] <masquerade> http://pastebin.ca/646062
[07:32] <arooni> wowsers
[07:32] <masquerade> xtknight, sorry, should've snipped the gdb output and just got the backtrace, but as you can see, segfaults when I run it
[07:32] <arooni> ive been looking at grey text on black for 1 week
[07:32] <arooni> i finally got ubuntu live cd to boot..... but now i need to fix grub ... before when it was booting up, itd give me an error 17.  i also have the super grub disk.  what should i do?
[07:33] <xtknight> masquerade, hmm i will see what i can do (hour or so untli this video is done recording)
[07:33] <xtknight> trying to reproduce it, i mean
[07:33] <xtknight> <--bug triager ;)
[07:33] <xtknight> probably get it on launchpad as soon as possible too
[07:34] <xtknight> arooni, hmm
[07:34] <masquerade> xtknight, if it helps, I doubt the bug is in audacity itself, as I downloaded a newer version from the site and its the same thing, so it might be in the wx bindings or similar
[07:34] <xtknight> arooni, i dont think youll have troubles...you shouldn't
[07:34] <xtknight> arooni, but i dont know why error 17 happened
[07:34] <xtknight> masquerade, you could try new wx libs
[07:34] <xtknight> masquerade, or test audacity in a 32bit chroot
[07:35] <masquerade> (a) I'm not too keen of installing major libs like wx on my system and interfering with dpkg
[07:35] <arooni> hmmmm
[07:35] <arooni> xtknight: i had grub installed before
[07:35] <masquerade> (b) too lazy to setup a chroot just for a bloody ringtone :)
[07:35] <arooni> and then i switched mobos 4 times
[07:35] <arooni> maybe swapped cables whatever
[07:35] <arooni> slave/masters
[07:35] <xtknight> interfering with dpkg is the very nature of fixing bugs :P
[07:36] <xtknight> at least for hacks like me
[07:36] <xtknight> arooni, reinstalling ubuntu should reinstall grub
[07:36] <xtknight> arooni, hope for the bes
[07:36] <xtknight> best*
[07:36] <masquerade> yes, well, last time I tried to interfere with dpkg talking in this channel, its like "OMFG WHY BREAK YOUR SYSTEM?!?!?!"
[07:36] <opop> mmmm...grub.
[07:37] <xtknight> masquerade, hmm?
[07:37] <xtknight> in a dev channel?
[07:37] <opop> interesting.
[07:37] <xtknight> using gutsy itself is far more dangerous than interfering with dpkg :p
[07:38] <xtknight> but anyway if you dont want to overwrite the prefix=/usr dpkg libs, then do prefix=/usr/local
[07:38] <xtknight> and add /usr/local libs to ldconfig, point it to that when you run audacity
[07:38] <xtknight> LD_PRELOAD=.. or w/e
[07:39] <masquerade> yeah, such a pain. :). At the moment, I'd prefer the lazy way out of just posting it on launchpad and hoping the responsible developer sees it at some point in the near enough future. odds are its something simple in the wxgtk libs
[07:39] <xtknight> masquerade, well it's better than nothing
[07:40] <arooni> xtknight: id prefer not to have to reinstall ubuntu
[07:40] <xtknight> arooni, rewrite grub
[07:40] <xtknight> grub-install..
[07:41] <arooni> xtknight: is that something i do from command line in live cd?
[07:41] <xtknight> yes
[07:41] <masquerade> xtknight, a quick google shos me that someone else has reported the issue on launchpad
[07:41] <xtknight> one sec..
[07:42] <xtknight> masquerade, ok, reply to his report and say you can reproduce.  also paste that pastebin to it.  and choose Confirmed for the bug status
[07:42] <masquerade> Bug 128542 if launchpad is actually up for you, its not here
[07:42] <xtknight> when it is
[07:42] <xtknight> undergoig db update now
[07:42] <masquerade> I was getting a nice message before saying it was undergoing an update, now its just down :)
[07:43] <masquerade> which is more often than not comcast toying with themselves so I never know
[07:43] <xtknight> hehe
[07:43] <xtknight> my comcast was out all day
[07:43] <xtknight> almost
[07:43] <xtknight> TV/net
[07:43] <opop> awwwww, that sucks.  I hate when that happens.
[07:43] <kousotu> how do you get DVD playback to work?
[07:44] <xtknight> my neighbor had phone with comcast, so he had nothing
[07:44] <opop> kousotu, you have to run a teensie script
[07:44] <xtknight> arooni, so you have ubuntu installed already? didnt realize
[07:44] <xtknight> arooni, um first youll have to figure out just exactly where
[07:44] <kousotu> xtknight: I got MP* working, but DVD does not
[07:44] <xtknight> kousotu, hmm
[07:44] <xtknight> kousotu, what err?
[07:45] <arooni> xtknight: ok so how do i do that
[07:45] <xtknight> arooni, you may have to edit grub conf also
[07:45] <kousotu> xtknight: the usual
[07:45] <xtknight> arooni, pastebin "sudo lshw"
[07:45] <arooni> well ive got the livecd booted up
[07:45] <xtknight> kousotu, totem can not..?
[07:45] <arooni> ok dokes
[07:45] <kousotu> nope
[07:45] <opop> kousotu:  sudo bash /usr/share/doc/libdvdread3/install-css.sh
[07:46] <opop> guys, do we need superuser for that script? FYI, theoretically, dvd decryption is illegal in the US, use at your own risk.
[07:46] <kousotu> opop: it's not illegal for personal use
[07:46] <opop> there been a court case confirming that one?
[07:47] <masquerade> kousotu, the software without paying for patent fees is illegal no matter what the use, under the DMCA
[07:47] <opop> that's why it's still inactive at install.
[07:47] <kousotu> there are alot of programs to decode it
[07:47] <opop> good ol congress!
[07:47] <xtknight> if i bought cyberlink dvd decoder but used the dvd decoder in ffmpeg, is it legal?  as long as im only using one css decoder at once..
[07:47] <kousotu> opop: rules changed?
[07:48] <kousotu> PSP can rip DVDs
[07:48] <masquerade> xtknight, no, the software itself, esp. binary redistributions, are illegal under the DMCA
[07:48] <kousotu> or at least programs FOR PSP
[07:48] <masquerade> Cyberlink pays the associated fees to your local mastermind organizations that run our government, and so you can pay them to use your legally bought DVDs
[07:48] <kousotu> + can
[07:48] <opop> kousotu, right, but what libdvdcss does is bruteforce the decryption, bypassing the need for a licensed decrypter
[07:49] <opop> the bruteforcing is what DMCA prohibits; the bypassing of antipiracy measures.
[07:49] <kousotu> opop: that'swhat the encoders do for PSP
[07:49] <kousotu> still legal though
[07:50] <masquerade> kousotu, which ripper, as for some reason I highly doubt that its legal
[07:50] <kousotu> PSPvideo9
[07:50] <kousotu> xtknight: Totem cannot play this type of media (DVD) because you do not have the appropriate plugins to handle it.
[07:53] <xtknight> kousotu, no idea. try xine?
[07:53] <xtknight> gxine package
[07:53] <kousotu> kafine?
[07:53] <xtknight> that uses gstreamer also
[07:53] <xtknight> gxine
[07:53] <kousotu> apt-get?
[07:54] <opop> you should be able to do dvd playback in totem
[07:54] <kousotu> opop: obviously not though
[07:54] <opop> kousotu, probably just missing a library
[07:55] <xtknight> sudo apt-get install gxine
[07:55] <xtknight> whenever i say pkg apt-get it
[07:55] <kousotu> opop: such as?
[07:55] <opop> how about totem-xine?  it will pull in libxine and allow the dvd playback?
[07:55] <xtknight> that's a possibility
[07:56] <arooni> xtknight: http://pastie.caboo.se/85008
[07:56] <xtknight> arooni, hey ill brb
[07:56] <arooni> ;( ok
[07:56] <arooni> come back soon ;p
[07:56] <opop> kousotu, is there a reason you're being short with people?
[07:56] <kousotu> opop: um.. didn't know I was
[07:57] <opop> alrighty then
[07:57] <kousotu> call it a bad day
[07:57] <opop> of course, there's ogle, too.
[07:57] <kousotu> lol
[07:58] <kousotu> I've just had tonsof problems today
[07:58] <kousotu> and I work tomorrow, so don't expect such a cheery mood then either
[07:58] <kousotu> lol
[07:59] <opop> well, you're running alpha software, and we're trying to help.
[07:59] <kousotu> lol
[08:00] <kousotu> yea, but it is actually stable for me
[08:00] <opop> tomorrow is another day.
[08:00] <opop> yeah, doing well for me, too.
[08:00] <opop> i'm quite pleased.
[08:00] <kousotu> no, today is another day
[08:00] <kousotu> 1am CST
[08:00] <kousotu> lol
[08:00] <kousotu> I work in 11 hrs...
[08:01] <opop> whereabouts?  I grew up in the Quad Cities, IA/IL, and a bit of time near chitown
[08:01] <kousotu> near Gary IN
[08:02] <opop> if you install totem; totem-gstreamer; totem-mozilla; totem-xine; libdvdcss2; you should have everything you need to play dvds and any other kind of media.
[08:02] <opop> right on.
[08:03] <kousotu> I have them installed I believe
[08:03] <kousotu> lol
[08:03] <kousotu> and about 10 more
[08:03] <kousotu> lol
[08:04] <opop> does the dvd play in mplayer or xine/gxine?  when you plug the dvd in, do you get an automounter dialog asking you to play the thing?
[08:04] <kousotu> (yes, I typed that)
[08:06] <xtknight> arooni, alright, let's do this buddy
[08:07] <arooni> xtknight: thanx man!
[08:07] <arooni> i was thinking about re installing ubuntu... just so grub would work ;9
[08:08] <masquerade> xtknight, well, I doubt its the ubuntu packages at least, I ended up being not lazy and compiling wxgtk myself and I still get the same crash :)
[08:08] <arooni> xtknight: i was also trying to follow: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows
[08:08] <xtknight> masquerade, ok...continue being not lazy! try other things ;)
[08:09] <xtknight> arooni, this looks like maybe it might be your root? /dev/hdb
[08:09] <xtknight> /dev/hdb3
[08:09] <arooni> xtknight: i succeeded in mounting the hard drive.... but when it wanted me to mount /mnt/root/boot.... i couldnt find a parititon with the directories/files it wants.. config, grub, memtest etc...
[08:09] <xtknight> arooni,  or /dev/hdb1?
[08:09] <xtknight> arooni, did you have separate / and /home partitions?
[08:09] <arooni> xtknight: its /dev/hdd4 i believe
[08:09] <arooni> xtknight: yes
[08:09] <arooni> separate ones
[08:10] <xtknight> arooni, hmm /dev/hdd4 would be an "extended" partition i think so not that
[08:10] <xtknight> arooni, did you make /home bigger than /?
[08:10] <xtknight> oh nm
[08:10] <xtknight> hdd4 yes linux
[08:10] <arooni> yes defintiely i made /home bigger
[08:10] <xtknight> so that is your / ?
[08:10] <xtknight> /dev/hdd4
[08:10] <xtknight> 9138MB
[08:10] <arooni> yes if i mount it then list it i get stuff like:  bin, boot, dev, cdrom, etc
[08:10] <arooni> yeah that sounds right
[08:10] <xtknight> but theres this too
[08:10] <xtknight>                       logical name: /dev/hdb1
[08:10] <xtknight>                       capacity: 9562MB
[08:11] <xtknight> any ideas what this is?
[08:11] <arooni> ya, thats winxp
[08:11] <xtknight> (it's Linux fs partition)
[08:11] <xtknight> scroll thru here
[08:11] <kousotu> 9gb for winXP?
[08:11] <xtknight> http://pastie.caboo.se/85008
[08:11] <kousotu> lol
[08:11] <arooni> yeah i think i did that
[08:12] <arooni> wait
[08:12] <arooni> its a linux partiion
[08:12] <xtknight> arooni, we need to figure out if it's /dev/hdb1 or /dev/hdd4 tho
[08:12] <kousotu> opop: nope, none
[08:12] <xtknight> arooni, they are both linux, both are roughly 9GB
[08:12] <arooni> xtknight: but i mounted hdd4,
[08:12] <xtknight> arooni,  /dev/hdb3 looks like your /home, so perhaps hdb1 on the same node is /?
[08:12] <kousotu> opop: goes right to todem
[08:12] <xtknight> arooni, that's ok we can mount anything else if we need to
[08:12] <arooni> yeah home and / are on the same drive
[08:13] <xtknight> arooni, okay then your root is /dev/hdb1
[08:13] <kousotu> and does nothing....
[08:13] <xtknight> arooni, sudo umount /dev/hdd4
[08:13] <arooni> ok done
[08:14] <arooni> should we check
[08:14] <arooni> taht /dev/hdbd1 is the root
[08:14] <xtknight> arooni, sudo mkdir -p /mnt/root && sudo mount /dev/hdb1 /mnt/root
[08:14] <xtknight> ya
[08:15] <arooni> xtknight: i believe i might actually have two linux versions installed
[08:15] <xtknight> arooni, yea probably
[08:15] <arooni> breezey badger and feisty fawn
[08:15] <arooni> ok i mounted it
[08:15] <xtknight> arooni, hdd4 is breezy perhaps.
[08:15] <arooni> how will we know the differnece
[08:15] <xtknight> hmm..
[08:15] <xtknight> let's try this
[08:15] <xtknight> cd /mnt/root/usr/lib
[08:15] <xtknight> we will check libc version
[08:15] <arooni> ok i'm there
[08:15] <arooni> what should i check
[08:16] <xtknight> sec
[08:16] <xtknight> type "file libglib.so"
[08:17] <arooni> no file or directory] 
[08:17] <xtknight> under /usr/lib?
[08:18] <arooni> i have :  libglib-1.2.so.0, libglib-1.2.0.0.10, libglib-2.0.so.0, libgbli-2.0.so.0.1200.11
[08:18] <arooni> those are the files in taht directory that start with libglib
[08:19] <xtknight> ive got a better idea
[08:19] <xtknight> cd /mnt/root/boot
[08:19] <xtknight> check the kernel versions
[08:20] <kousotu> xtknight: did we try ndising the atheros driver? I forget lol
[08:20] <arooni> relooks like we've got:  2.6.20-15 and 2.6.20-16
[08:20] <xtknight> kousotu, yea it failed
[08:20] <kousotu> k
[08:20] <xtknight> arooni, ok it's a feisty install
[08:20] <arooni> sweet
[08:20] <arooni> u guessed right!
[08:20] <kousotu> lol
[08:20] <kousotu> he seems to be good a that
[08:21] <arooni> indeed
[08:21] <arooni> hes a rock star
[08:21] <xtknight> ;)
[08:21] <arooni> ok.... so /dev/hdb1 is my /root for fiesty
[08:21] <xtknight> arooni, now whatis your first drive in boot?
[08:21] <xtknight> the first boot drive rather
[08:21] <arooni> the one that is 300GB
[08:21] <xtknight> we need to write to the proper boot sector
[08:21] <keram> hello
[08:21] <arooni> the seagate one
[08:21] <kousotu> hewo keram
[08:22] <arooni> ST3300631A
[08:22] <xtknight> logical name: /dev/hdb
[08:22] <keram> i was wondering how to get the window to move from workspace to workspace when i drag it to the side
[08:22] <kousotu> rightclick: move left/right
[08:22] <arooni> yups
[08:22] <xtknight> arooni, sudo grub-install --root-directory=/mnt/root /dev/hdb
[08:23] <xtknight> keram, compiz to do it interactively
[08:23] <xtknight> arooni, make sure you do /dev/hdb not /dev/hdb1
[08:23] <keram> xtknight, what if i dont want to do it with compiz
[08:23] <arooni> yups  i set that up
[08:23] <xtknight> keram, not sure.  sorry
[08:23] <xtknight> arooni, pastebin the results?
[08:23] <kousotu> keram: rightclick then
[08:23] <xtknight> arooni, does it look good?
[08:23] <keram> kousotu, thats the only way?
[08:24] <keram> kousotu, it would be nice to just drag it
[08:24] <kousotu> that I know of
[08:24] <keram> :/
[08:24] <xtknight> keram, i can drag them.
[08:24] <keram> it worked off the bat with debian
[08:24] <xtknight> but im in feisty
[08:24] <keram> xtknight, is compiz off?
[08:24] <xtknight> keram, compiz is on, however i dont think this is a compiz feature.  someone earlier was having trouble adding workspaces to gutsy.  i think gutsy's current workspace manager is bugged
[08:25] <keram> ah
[08:25] <kousotu> that's why there's only 2?
[08:25] <xtknight> try adding them, it doesnt work
[08:25] <xtknight> at least for someone in here
[08:25] <arooni> xtknight: http://pastie.caboo.se/85010
[08:25] <xtknight> arooni, hmm "Unknown partition table signature"
[08:25] <keram> naw it works fine for me
[08:26] <keram> ou have issues once u turn on compiz
[08:26] <keram> and sometimes when you turn on compiz it merges all of your workspaces into one
[08:26] <arooni> xtknight: yikes ;9
[08:26] <keram> but i got that fixed somehow
[08:27] <kousotu> how do you add them?
[08:27] <xtknight> arooni, dd if=/dev/hdb bs=512 count=1 | strings
[08:27] <xtknight> arooni, and pastebin
[08:28] <xtknight> sudo rather
[08:28] <arooni> xtknight: http://pastie.caboo.se/85011
[08:28] <xtknight> arooni, dont be alarmed if it looks like errors.  mine has them too.  that's just part of the grub program where it contains the error messages to show you
[08:29] <xtknight> arooni,  well mine looks exactly the same.
[08:29] <xtknight> it looks good
[08:29] <arooni> good stuff!
[08:29] <arooni> should i unmount & restart?
[08:29] <xtknight> but wait
[08:29] <arooni> ok?
[08:29] <xtknight> you might have to edit menu.lst
[08:29] <arooni> cool
[08:30] <xtknight> gksu gedit /mnt/root/boot/grub/menu.lst
[08:30] <kousotu> xtknight: how do you add more windows?
[08:30] <arooni> cool what should i fix/change
[08:30] <kousotu> xtknight: I would like to have 4 if possible
[08:30] <xtknight> kousotu, right click on workspace manager and click preferences
[08:30] <xtknight> arooni, pastebin the whole file
[08:31] <kousotu> don't see that
[08:31] <xtknight> kousotu, that's my point.  gutsy's workspace manager is screwed up
[08:31] <xtknight> at the moment
[08:31] <xtknight> so i'd expect bugs
[08:31] <kousotu> I don't see workspace manager
[08:31] <kousotu> lol
[08:36] <arooni> xtknight: http://pastie.caboo.se/85012
[08:36] <arooni> sorry for delay, i'm having to copy over via a flash drive :(
[08:36] <kousotu> xtknight: where should it be?
[08:37] <xtknight> kousotu, the lower right of your screen.  the window pane thing
[08:37] <kousotu> oh..
[08:38] <xtknight> arooni, that's ok.  what we do know from your grub-install: (hd1) /dev/hdb
[08:38] <kousotu> mine's working fine
[08:38] <kousotu> lol
[08:38] <xtknight> ah
[08:38] <kousotu> I was looking for a control pannel something
[08:38] <kousotu> lol
[08:38] <xtknight> arooni, it will need some editing
[08:38] <arooni> ok dokes
[08:38] <arooni> what should i change
[08:39] <xtknight> arooni, find "# groot=(hd2,0)"
[08:39] <xtknight> change this to # groot=(hd1,0)
[08:39] <arooni> ok cool
[08:39] <arooni> got it
[08:39] <xtknight> that's not all
[08:39] <xtknight> save the file.  then run same grub update again
[08:39] <xtknight>  sudo grub-install --root-directory=/mnt/root /dev/hdb
[08:39] <xtknight> we
[08:40] <xtknight> we'll have to make sure it works
[08:40] <kousotu> I have 6 spaces now
[08:40] <kousotu> lol
[08:40] <arooni> xtknight: output:  (hd0) /dev/hda, (hd1) /dev/hdb, (hd2) /dev/hdc
[08:41] <xtknight> arooni, ok anything about unknown partition thing?
[08:41] <arooni> xtknight: nothing about unrecogintionerd file partitions as before
[08:41] <xtknight> ahh
[08:41] <arooni> wiat
[08:41] <arooni> 1!!
[08:41] <arooni> yes there is
[08:41] <arooni> i ignroed it
[08:41] <xtknight> doh
[08:41] <arooni> 'Unknown parition table signature
[08:41] <arooni> still shows
[08:41] <arooni> :(
[08:41] <xtknight> whatever that's fine.  i didnt intend on fixing that
[08:41] <arooni> screw my partition table
[08:41] <xtknight> lol ya
[08:41] <xtknight> arooni, gksu gedit /mnt/root/boot/grub/menu.lst
[08:41] <xtknight> now we will check if (hd1,0) works
[08:41] <kousotu> xtknight: just moving to a certain place doesn't work
[08:41] <xtknight> kousotu, hmm
[08:41] <xtknight> must be a gutsy problem
[08:42] <xtknight> arooni,  every kernel should read root (hd1,0).  last time it was root (hd2,0)
[08:42] <kousotu> yea
[08:42] <kousotu> but not an important one
[08:42] <kousotu> I have 6 and they work fine
[08:42] <arooni> xtknight: um where am i suppoed to be looking
[08:42] <arooni> also i ahd the file open
[08:43] <arooni> when i ran the grub-install command
[08:43] <arooni> is that bade?
[08:43] <xtknight> arooni, no just close gedit now and dont save
[08:43] <arooni> ok
[08:43] <xtknight> arooni, then reopen the file
[08:43] <xtknight> arooni, find where it says ## End Default Options ##
[08:43] <arooni> yups
[08:43] <xtknight> arooni, below that is a list of kernels.  each one has its own block
[08:43] <xtknight> and its own root(x,y)
[08:43] <xtknight> does it say root(hd1,0) for each one?  it should
[08:43] <arooni> right ... akll are set to (hd2,0) :9
[08:44] <arooni> :(
[08:44] <xtknight> hmm
[08:44] <xtknight> is groot hd1,0 though?
[08:44] <arooni> yes
[08:44] <xtknight> odd
[08:44] <arooni> :(
[08:44] <xtknight> you verified this agian?
[08:44] <xtknight> even after you had gedit open during grubupdate
[08:45] <xtknight> groot is still hd1,0?
[08:45] <arooni> xtknight: yes
[08:45] <arooni> its still hd1,0
[08:45] <xtknight> well
[08:45] <xtknight> arooni, try changing each of the kernels to root (hd1,0)
[08:45] <xtknight> arooni, all of them before ### END DEBIAN AUTOMAGIC KERNELS LIST
[08:45] <arooni> ok
[08:46] <xtknight> if it wasn't hd2,0, dont change it
[08:46] <xtknight> hd2,0->hd1,0
[08:46] <xtknight> but nothing else
[08:46] <arooni> donegot it
[08:46] <xtknight> now lets check your UUIDs
[08:46] <xtknight> leave the file open
[08:46] <xtknight> type "blkid" in a different terminal
[08:46] <xtknight> find the ID for /dev/hdb1
[08:47] <arooni> blkid doesnt output anything
[08:47] <xtknight> hmmm
[08:47] <xtknight> "sudo blkid" ?
[08:47] <arooni> neither does blkid /dev/hdb1
[08:47] <arooni> ok we got stuff there
[08:48] <arooni> output: /dev/hdb1: UUID="72b2176d-09f569....." SEC_TYPE="ext2" TYPE="ext3"
[08:48] <xtknight> looks right
[08:48] <xtknight> that's what i love about UUIDs
[08:48] <xtknight> ;)
[08:48] <arooni> i'm glad u can tell ;p
[08:48] <xtknight> compared to your other menu.lst at least
[08:48] <xtknight> as long as it hasnt changed
[08:48] <xtknight> i doubt it
[08:48] <arooni> ok cool
[08:49] <arooni> so do we need to do more
[08:49] <xtknight> do you want to fix breezy too?
[08:49] <arooni> i never want to boot to breezy
[08:49] <arooni> ever
[08:49] <xtknight> k
[08:49] <arooni> ;p
[08:49] <xtknight> remove 2.6.12
[08:49] <xtknight> from the menu.lst
[08:49] <xtknight> both blocks of it
[08:49] <xtknight> remove the last memtest too
[08:49] <xtknight> it's a duplicate
[08:50] <arooni> ok
[08:50] <arooni> cool
[08:50] <arooni> done
[08:51] <xtknight> arooni, so windows is where?
[08:51] <xtknight>  /dev/hdc1 ?
[08:51] <xtknight> you have tons of fat32/ntfs ;)
[08:51] <arooni> yeah i know
[08:51] <arooni> its all messed up
[08:51] <arooni> i'm not sure where windows is
[08:51] <xtknight> oh well lets just try /dev/hdc
[08:52] <arooni> grub says its at (hd1,,0)
[08:52] <xtknight> that needs to be 2,0
[08:52] <xtknight> for windows
[08:52] <arooni> right
[08:53] <arooni> ok so what do i need to do for windows
[08:53] <xtknight> hmmmm
[08:53] <xtknight> i dunno it looks like there's two entries
[08:53] <xtknight> title    Windows NT/2000/XP (loader)
[08:53] <arooni> besides changing the hd2 thing
[08:53] <kousotu> how do you size pannels?
[08:53] <xtknight> title    Microsoft Windows XP Professional
[08:53] <arooni> can we leave both
[08:53] <arooni> just in case one works
[08:53] <arooni> ;p
[08:53] <xtknight> i guess i have no idea if theyll work or not
[08:53] <arooni> i dont care about cleanness of boot menu
[08:54] <xtknight> do you care about windows?
[08:54] <xtknight> :P
[08:54] <arooni> yes
[08:54] <arooni> vaugely
[08:54] <arooni> i tell u waht
[08:54] <kousotu> nvm
[08:54] <arooni> i know where windows is
[08:54] <arooni> its on the 80gb western digital
[08:54] <xtknight> ok so /dev/hdc1
[08:54] <arooni> with a small 12 gb partition or so
[08:55] <xtknight> alright
[08:55] <arooni> yes   logical name: /dev/hdc1
[08:55] <xtknight> sudo dd if=/dev/hdc bs=512 count=1 | strings
[08:55] <xtknight> pastebin this
[08:56] <arooni> http://pastie.caboo.se/85013
[08:57] <xtknight> hmm
[08:57] <xtknight> another grub
[08:57] <xtknight> i was expecting ntfs ;)
[08:57] <arooni> yeah if i remember, one of the options takes u to another option
[08:57] <arooni> i mean selecting the loader takes u to a screen where u select the right version of windows
[08:57] <xtknight> ya
[08:57] <xtknight> that's NTLDR not grub tho
[08:57] <arooni> yah
[08:58] <arooni> thats right
[08:58] <xtknight> hmm
[08:58] <xtknight> ok
[08:59] <arooni> well lets see if windows works after we mess around with it
[08:59] <arooni> we might be trying to fix a problem that doesnt exist yet
[08:59] <xtknight> hm ok
[08:59] <arooni> so do we need to do anything more for linux?
[08:59] <xtknight> dont think so
[09:00] <xtknight> just save menu.lst and reboot
[09:00] <xtknight> see if it works
[09:00] <xtknight> im sure something wont
[09:01] <xtknight> linux and windows both point to hd1,0 :P
[09:01] <arooni> thats good
[09:01] <arooni> maybe they'll finally get along
[09:02] <xtknight> heh
[09:02] <xtknight> you gonna reboot ?
[09:02] <arooni> reobooting now
[09:02] <arooni> wow
[09:02] <arooni> nothing works at all
[09:02] <arooni> ahah
[09:02] <xtknight> lol
[09:02] <arooni> i see boot menu
[09:02] <xtknight> well no error 17?
[09:02] <arooni> yes i get an error 17
[09:02] <arooni> for sure
[09:03] <xtknight> haha
[09:03] <arooni> its a fun error to get
[09:03] <xtknight> damn
[09:03] <arooni> one of my faves
[09:03] <xtknight> ya probably that "partition table" error
[09:03] <xtknight> hmm
[09:03] <arooni> damn
[09:03] <arooni> should i boot live cd again?
[09:03] <xtknight> yeah, on the other hand, im not sure where to go from here
[09:03] <xtknight> no idea about error 17
[09:03] <arooni> ok cool
[09:03] <xtknight> you could write grub to a floppy
[09:04] <xtknight> sometimes that works temporarily
[09:04] <kousotu> what is error 17?
[09:04] <arooni> cannot mount selected parittion
[09:04] <kousotu> ah..
[09:04] <arooni> what about, reinstalling ubuntu
[09:04] <xtknight> arooni, i was thinking along the lines of wiping the entire disk :\
[09:04] <arooni> hmmm
[09:04] <arooni> i could do that
[09:04] <arooni> the 300gb one for sure
[09:04] <arooni> the other ones not so much
[09:04] <xtknight> reinstalling grub probably wouldnt fix it
[09:05] <xtknight> as we saw
[09:05] <xtknight> ok
[09:05] <arooni> id be down to destroy the 300gb drive
[09:05] <xtknight> set 300gb to boot order #1
[09:05] <xtknight> then wipe the whole thing clean
[09:05] <xtknight> i can help you do it entirely
[09:05] <xtknight> so you wont get that grub 17
[09:05] <arooni> sweet!
[09:05] <xtknight> ready?
[09:05] <arooni> ya!
[09:05] <xtknight> after your livecd is up anyway
[09:05] <xtknight> so you dont care about the 300 gig at all
[09:05] <xtknight> ?
[09:06] <arooni> so boot order should have cd first
[09:06] <arooni> right
[09:06] <kousotu> and that is as usual the tricky part
[09:06] <xtknight> yae
[09:06] <xtknight> yea
[09:06] <arooni> xtknight: well id like to grab the my document folder
[09:06] <arooni> move it to a flash drive
[09:06] <xtknight> ah
[09:06] <arooni> if possible
[09:06] <arooni> if not, its not a *huge* loss
[09:06] <xtknight> ya shouldnt be too hard
[09:06] <xtknight> i gotta goto bed soon though :p
[09:06] <arooni> ok
[09:06] <xtknight> well an hour or so
[09:06] <arooni> well
[09:06] <xtknight> but i know transferring can take awhile
[09:06] <kousotu> the livecd should be able to do that
[09:07] <arooni> shouldnt take too long
[09:07] <arooni> at least in terms of moving files
[09:07] <arooni> < 50 megs
[09:07] <xtknight> ahh ok
[09:07] <xtknight> lucky you don't have 1000gb like me
[09:07] <xtknight> hahah
[09:07] <arooni> heh
[09:07] <arooni> 300gb is my biggest
[09:07] <arooni> yo uwin
[09:08] <xtknight> but backing up 1tb is not fun at all
[09:08] <kousotu> lol
[09:08] <xtknight> i only have that much space because i'm lazy and i dont delete stuff
[09:08] <kousotu> xtk: how big is your hd?
[09:08] <arooni> true that
[09:08] <xtknight> kousotu, 500gb, 250x2
[09:08] <xtknight> so 1000 total
[09:08] <kousotu> damn..
[09:08] <kousotu> I want that kinda space..
[09:08] <xtknight> they had 500g for $110
[09:09] <xtknight> so i jumped on that
[09:09] <kousotu> I have 80GB, total
[09:09] <xtknight> newegg
[09:09] <kousotu> my mom nearly killed me about ordering XP
[09:09] <kousotu> lol
[09:09] <xtknight> you ordered xp?
[09:09] <xtknight> how dare you
[09:09] <xtknight> ;)
[09:09] <kousotu> was better than Vista...
[09:10] <xtknight> ya true
[09:10] <kousotu> and I'm a gamer
[09:10] <kousotu> lol
[09:10] <kousotu> butifyou canfind a linux port of Diablo 2 I'd be rather happy
[09:10] <kousotu> lol
[09:10] <xtknight> just "wine" it
[09:11] <xtknight> arooni, you know how to mount and get your files off?
[09:11] <kousotu> will it work on wine?
[09:11] <xtknight> probably
[09:11] <arooni> xtknight: i think so
[09:11] <arooni> do i have to mount stuff
[09:11] <arooni> or does the cd do it for me
[09:11] <xtknight> hmm
[09:11] <xtknight> cd should do it actually
[09:11] <kousotu> I didn't make the linux pattion big enogh
[09:11] <kousotu> lol
[09:11] <xtknight> arooni, make sure to properly unmount the  flash drive.  or you will lose all the data (if you just take it out)
[09:11] <kousotu> tis about 11gb
[09:12] <xtknight> that's plenty big for /
[09:12] <xtknight> but for /home maybe 800gb
[09:12] <xtknight> ;)
[09:12] <kousotu> lol
[09:12] <kousotu> I only HAVE 80 to work with
[09:12] <xtknight> kousotu, http://appdb.winehq.org/appview.php?versionId=49
[09:12] <kousotu> and I doubt many other games will run through wine
[09:12] <arooni> xtknight: good call
[09:13] <arooni> xtknight: should i start the installation process
[09:13] <arooni> is that how you would reccomend doing it?
[09:13] <xtknight> arooni, you're done backing up?
[09:13] <arooni> delete partition
[09:13] <xtknight> arooni, nah we're doing something better.  thru the terminal
[09:13] <finalbeta> !paste
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[09:14] <arooni> xtknight: quick q
[09:14] <arooni> if i want to get the data off this hard drive
[09:14] <arooni> where should i go to find it
[09:14] <arooni> haha!
[09:14] <xtknight> lol heck if i know
[09:14] <xtknight> umm
[09:14] <xtknight> your /home partition
[09:14] <xtknight> so /dev/hdb3 for you
[09:14] <xtknight>  /home/user/Documents
[09:14] <kousotu> RE4 and 3?
[09:14] <finalbeta> I need a little help, after running the upgrade, several packages/meta packages didn't want to upgrade. I'm a little scared to reboot now. http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/32587/
[09:15] <finalbeta> Probably ubuntu-desktop stays non configured because of that eog, and it's no big deal?
[09:15] <xtknight> well eog is Eye of GNOME, just an image viewer
[09:15] <xtknight> ubuntu-desktop in itself is not important at all
[09:16] <xtknight> but it looks like your dpkg is corrupt
[09:16] <xtknight> try this
[09:16] <xtknight> finalbeta,  "sudo dpkg --configure -a"
[09:16] <finalbeta> That's what I ran in the paste
[09:16] <xtknight> whoops
[09:17] <xtknight> finalbeta, "sudo dpkg --purge --force-all eog ubuntu-desktop && sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop"
[09:17] <kousotu> What works
[09:17] <kousotu> Installing the game.
[09:17] <kousotu> What does not
[09:17] <kousotu> Gameplay.
[09:17] <kousotu> What was not tested
[09:17] <kousotu> Gameplay.
[09:18] <finalbeta> dpkg: error processing eog (--purge): subprocess post-removal script returned error exit status 1
[09:18] <xtknight> finalbeta, gutsy right?
[09:18] <finalbeta> Yes
[09:18] <finalbeta> Bad packaging job I guess
[09:18] <xtknight> hmm i dunno might just be classic breakage :\
[09:19] <xtknight> ya looks like someone drop kicked that pkg
[09:19] <finalbeta> Hmm, can't install anything now, always want to configure eog first, and fails
[09:19] <xtknight> they used ups ;)
[09:20] <xtknight> try "sudo apt-get --reinstall install eog"
[09:20] <arooni> 3:30min till backup is complete
[09:20] <xtknight> arooni, cool
[09:20] <kousotu> xtknight: found a way to get sound, but it's WAY too quiet
[09:20] <xtknight> kousotu, ok, obvious question coming
[09:20] <finalbeta> xtknight:  subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1
[09:20] <xtknight> kousotu, did you adjust the volume?
[09:20] <kousotu> yes
[09:20] <finalbeta> !launchpad
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[09:21] <kousotu> xtknight: obvious statement comming: duh
[09:21] <xtknight> kousotu, try "alsamixer"
[09:21] <finalbeta> Omg, launchpad is offline.
[09:21] <xtknight> yea :\
[09:22] <kousotu> xtknight: full volume
[09:22] <kousotu> as I set it to be
[09:23] <xtknight> kousotu, pcm, master, Front, everything?
[09:23] <kousotu> yes
[09:23] <xtknight> hmm
[09:23] <xtknight> :|
[09:23] <kousotu> at least it works..
[09:23] <xtknight> tried different media players?
[09:23] <kousotu> CD is uiet too
[09:23] <kousotu> so yea,I tried quite a few
[09:24] <xtknight> probably some option in there..."gnome-volume-control" with all the edit->preferences options enabled maybe.. somewhere in switches or playback
[09:25] <finalbeta> That's pretty sad that one package can kill the whole package manager.
[09:25] <kousotu> alsa and gnome match
[09:26] <xtknight> finalbeta, yeah i agree
[09:26] <xtknight> finalbeta, postinstall scripts dont like cooperating when they fali
[09:26] <xtknight> fail*
[09:26] <arooni> xtknight: it says theres data that needs to be  writtne
[09:26] <xtknight> --force-all should at least work
[09:26] <arooni> as i'm trying to eject flash drive
[09:26] <arooni> how long does it take to eject ;p?
[09:26] <xtknight> arooni, not too long
[09:26] <xtknight> arooni, buffered so yes it's important to sync and write it to the disk.
[09:26] <kousotu> arooni: usuallt 30 sec
[09:27] <kousotu> lol
[09:27] <arooni> its been about 80sec
[09:27] <kousotu> how big is it?
[09:27] <arooni> about a gig
[09:27] <xtknight> ah well then just a bit longer
[09:27] <kousotu> I work with a 4th that
[09:27] <kousotu> lol
[09:28] <xtknight> if you dont let it finish surely some data will be gone
[09:30] <arooni> ok
[09:30] <arooni> i got the stuff i needed
[09:30] <arooni> lets blow it away!
[09:30] <kousotu> xtknight: what about the ogg thingy?
[09:30] <arooni> xtknight: i want to blows it up
[09:30] <xtknight> kousotu, huh?
[09:30] <xtknight> arooni, ok
[09:30] <xtknight> arooni, sudo fdisk -l
[09:31] <kousotu> the other sound card that pops up
[09:31] <xtknight> kousotu, oh OSS?
[09:31] <xtknight> arooni, make sure your 300gb is /dev/hdb ?
[09:31] <kousotu> I think it said ogg
[09:31] <kousotu> but ya
[09:31] <xtknight> ogg is an audio codec
[09:31] <xtknight> oss is open sound system
[09:31] <arooni> xtknight: how can i make sure
[09:31] <xtknight> arooni, sudo fdisk -l
[09:31] <xtknight> arooni, it says the size.  i think it was ~270
[09:31] <arooni> it says star/end/blocks
[09:31] <kousotu> ok, oss it was
[09:31] <kousotu> lol
[09:32] <RAOF> Technically, ogg is a container format, vorbis is an audio codec, and theora is a video codec :)
[09:32] <kousotu> my realtek card
[09:32] <xtknight> arooni, try "sudo lshw"
[09:32] <xtknight> ah was thikning ogg was the codec
[09:32] <xtknight> i always get them confused
[09:32] <kousotu> lol
[09:32] <xtknight> ogm is a video container too
[09:32] <xtknight> and audio container!
[09:32] <xtknight> ;)
[09:32] <kousotu> might the oss card work betteR?
[09:33] <xtknight> kousotu, maybe?
[09:33] <xtknight> arooni, actually: "sudo lshw | grep -A10 ST3300631A"
[09:33] <xtknight> that was the model of you seagate 300gb
[09:33] <RAOF> xtknight: ogm is, I think, the same container as ogg, with a different extension :)
[09:33] <xtknight> then it should say logical name: /dev/hdb
[09:33] <xtknight> RAOF, ah i never saw video .oggs
[09:34] <arooni> yup that is /dev/hdb
[09:34] <xtknight> arooni, ok dynamite time
[09:34] <arooni> lets make it go boom
[09:34] <kousotu> it's a little louder
[09:34] <kousotu> lol
[09:34] <xtknight> arooni, sudo dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/hdb bs=512 count=10
[09:34] <xtknight> arooni, make sure you type that right
[09:34] <kousotu> but not like it should be :(
[09:34] <xtknight> we'll just wipe the first few bits of it
[09:34] <xtknight> at first
[09:35] <xtknight> so grub is completely and utterly gone
[09:35] <xtknight> and all that error 17 stuff, hopefully is gone too
[09:35] <xtknight> you could technically do count=1 i was just feeling a little ambitious.  lets blow away the first 5 mbs for the hell of it
[09:35] <kousotu> lol
[09:35] <arooni> ok cool
[09:35] <arooni> its blown away
[09:35] <xtknight> 5kb rather
[09:35] <xtknight> ok
[09:36] <xtknight> arooni, now let's use fdisk on it
[09:36] <arooni> ya!
[09:36] <xtknight> arooni, sudo fdisk /dev/hdb
[09:36] <arooni> ok cool
[09:36] <xtknight> arooni, now type "p"
[09:36] <xtknight> does anything show?
[09:37] <xtknight> expect tons of errors, that's fine
[09:37] <arooni> got a brief warning " the number of cyclinders is set to 36481... '
[09:37] <xtknight> ya same
[09:37] <arooni> and could cause problems with 1) software that runs at boot time etc...
[09:37] <arooni> then i get 'command (m for help_)
[09:37] <xtknight> yes yes
[09:37] <xtknight> press "p"
[09:37] <xtknight> ;)
[09:37] <arooni> yups
[09:37] <xtknight> the cylinders thing could be the caues of error 17.  we'll see if we can make sure that doesnt happen by using a /boot partition
[09:38] <xtknight> actually i dont think thats worth the bother
[09:38] <arooni> i see /dev/hdb1  (boot partition) start 1 end 1219 ... system: Linux
[09:38] <xtknight> a machine as new as a core 2 should be able to handle this
[09:38] <xtknight> hmm
[09:38] <finalbeta> Allot of things are broken :p. Rhythmbox doesn't play songs and gives me the great error 'null', glipper crashes, eog , GStreamer has other issues.
[09:38] <arooni>  /dev/hdb2 .........  start 1220 1485 .... linux swap/solaris
[09:38] <arooni> and /dev/hdb3 .......... start 1466 .. 25172 ...............  linux
[09:38] <xtknight> arooni, ok might need a reboot
[09:38] <xtknight> arooni, fdisk shouldnt be showing those
[09:38] <kousotu> finalbeta: I have noo probs with MP3/ MP4
[09:39] <arooni> ok so i should reboot
[09:39] <arooni> to live cd?
[09:39] <xtknight> arooni, yea
[09:39] <arooni> or regualar grub
[09:39] <xtknight> arooni, livecds
[09:40] <finalbeta> kousotu: I can play them in totem, rhythmbox doesn't want to anymore, but movies don't  play well , when I go full screen, the movie stays at 1/4th of the screen. Also, I can't  manually change position in the movie.
[09:41] <kousotu> finalbeta: at least movies lay for you...
[09:41] <kousotu> play*
[09:42] <arooni> rebootin
[09:42] <hylje> launchpad down?
[09:42] <xtknight> hylje, database update
[09:42] <hylje> k
[09:43] <RAOF> Oh, that's why I can't push my new xserver-xgl branch.
[09:43] <RAOF> Gah!
[09:44] <hylje> heh
[09:44] <arooni> xtknight: ok whats next
[09:44] <xtknight> RAOF, you can push it to /dev/null ;)
[09:44] <snadge> im running xserver-xgl right now :P
[09:44] <xtknight> arooni, hmm alright try "sudo fdisk /dev/hdb"
[09:44] <RAOF> I can push it to my local buildd, but that's not going to get it into Universe :P
[09:44] <xtknight>  /dev/null is far out in the universe
[09:44] <xtknight> they just dont tell you that
[09:44] <snadge> but on feisty.. with trevinho's eyecandy repo
[09:45] <arooni> xtknight: ok got that
[09:45] <xtknight> arooni, type "p"
[09:45] <kingrayray> does anybody have problems with azureus crashing on launch
[09:45] <xtknight> arooni, ideally, errors should appear all over the place or nothing should happen
[09:45] <arooni> xtknight: neither
[09:45] <arooni> it lists same thing as last time
[09:45] <xtknight> lol
[09:45] <arooni> zomg my comp hates me
[09:45] <xtknight> and just when you hope for errors :(
[09:45] <xtknight> oh well
[09:45] <kousotu> lmao
[09:45] <xtknight> lets try this
[09:46] <xtknight> arooni,  sudo dd if=/dev/hdb bs=512 count=1 | less
[09:46] <xtknight> er
[09:46] <RAOF> snadge: Remember, trevhin's eyecandy repo is full of crack :)
[09:46] <xtknight> arooni,  sudo dd if=/dev/hdb bs=512 count=1 | strings
[09:46] <kousotu> xtknight: no one likes you :P
[09:46] <arooni> xtknight: which one?
[09:46] <arooni> first or second
[09:46] <xtknight> arooni, last one
[09:47] <arooni> String valueds: ZRrI, D|fi, GRUB, Geom, Hard Disk, Read, Error
[09:47] <xtknight> arooni, are you sure you did that other one right?
[09:47] <xtknight> sudo dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/hdb bs=512 count=1
[09:47] <xtknight> try this
[09:48] <arooni> yeah pretty sure ityped it right
[09:48] <xtknight> arooni, try once more
[09:49] <xtknight> arooni, after that, then try again "sudo dd if=/dev/hdb bs=512 count=1 | strings"
[09:49] <arooni> xtknight: ok ok now when i do that i get no strings
[09:49] <xtknight> good
[09:49] <snadge> RAOF: yes it is.. but it seems to be working okay for me at the moment.. XGL + fglx + compiz-fusion :P
[09:50] <xtknight> arooni, lets go into "sudo fdisk /dev/hdb"
[09:50] <xtknight> does fglrx still need xgl?
[09:50] <arooni> xtknight: ok cool
[09:50] <RAOF> Yes
[09:50] <xtknight> arooni, type "p"
[09:50] <arooni> when i type 'p', i see nothing
[09:50] <xtknight> good
[09:50] <xtknight> arooni, now type "o"  (create a new empty DOS partition table)
[09:51] <arooni> 'warning: invalid flag 0x0000 of partiiton table 4  will be corrected b w(rite)
[09:51] <xtknight> sounds good
[09:51] <xtknight> press "w" to write changes to disk
[09:52] <arooni> ok says kernel is using old table, new table will be used at next reboot
[09:52] <arooni> whats the next step
[09:52] <arooni> reboot ? ;p
[09:52] <xtknight> yeah you're going to have to reboot again
[09:52] <xtknight> just to make sure..
[09:56] <finalbeta> Crash :)
[09:56] <kousotu> lol
[09:57] <kousotu> finalbeta: sux to be you?
[09:57] <finalbeta> KDBus froze everything up.
[09:57] <finalbeta> Nah, sucks to be gutsy?
[09:57] <kousotu> it's working fine for me
[09:57] <kousotu> lol
[09:57] <arooni> xtknight: ok
[09:57] <arooni> whats next
[09:58] <xtknight> arooni, alright now i would just try and install ubuntu onto /dev/hdb
[09:58] <finalbeta> On my laptop it's acting weird 2, but less. This morning fonts where huge, the GDK can't show the default window anymore, my USB disk doesn't want to start anymore, just makes weird noises. But it's manageable :p
[09:59] <kousotu> lol
[09:59] <kousotu> bit it makes noises
[09:59] <kousotu> but*
[09:59] <arooni> xtknight: ok i can do that
[09:59] <kousotu> mine don't :(
[09:59] <arooni> so just to undersatnd what we did
[09:59] <arooni> we blew away the mbr
[09:59] <finalbeta> The external USB disk, doesn't mount, just makes noise like it's writing like mad.
[10:00] <kousotu> mount manually?
[10:00] <xtknight> arooni, yea, precisely
[10:00] <arooni> how would u folks set up the parittions
[10:00] <xtknight> arooni, we blew away the MBR, which contains boot code and partition table
[10:00] <arooni> how big for /root/ , swap, and /home
[10:00] <xtknight> the first 512 bytes
[10:00] <xtknight> well / not /root
[10:00] <arooni> right
[10:00] <xtknight> but /root is root's home also
[10:00] <arooni> : / = root ;p
[10:00] <xtknight> hehe
[10:00] <kousotu> lol
[10:00] <xtknight> arooni, how much RAM?
[10:00] <arooni> 2GBs
[10:00] <xtknight> i only complained because /root is actually another directory
[10:01] <xtknight> arooni, swap should be..meh...2gb? i guess
[10:01] <xtknight> make / 20GB
[10:01] <xtknight> make /home the rest of it
[10:01] <xtknight> and make / the first partition.
[10:01] <kousotu> xtknight: I wpuld run it gb, personally
[10:01] <kousotu> 1gb*
[10:01] <xtknight> probably fine too
[10:01] <xtknight> i use 8 lol
[10:01] <arooni> um, isnt there a wiedr dthing
[10:02] <arooni> that doesnt allow partitions > 250 gb
[10:02] <xtknight> arooni, lba 32bit addressing doesnt allow >137gb.  no worries.  yours is 48bit
[10:02] <xtknight> any core 2 these days
[10:02] <arooni> how did i get 48bit
[10:02] <arooni> by having core duo
[10:02] <xtknight> it was just there ;)
[10:02] <arooni> ?
[10:02] <xtknight> chipset
[10:02] <arooni> wowsers
[10:03] <xtknight> hey also your disk is 300G but it appears as only 270
[10:03] <xtknight> but this is normal
[10:03] <arooni> should partitions be set as primary or logical xtknight
[10:03] <xtknight> maybe that's what you meant
[10:03] <arooni> i'm gonna complian to segate
[10:03] <xtknight> arooni, primary until you need logical
[10:03] <xtknight> hehe
[10:03] <xtknight> 4 primaries is the max
[10:03] <xtknight> so: here's how id do it
[10:04] <xtknight> partition 1(/): 20 GB, ext3
[10:04] <xtknight> partition2(/home): x GB, xfs
[10:04] <xtknight> partition3(swap): 2 GB, swap
[10:04] <xtknight> just imo
[10:04] <xtknight> xfs works nicely for me.
[10:04] <arooni> shoudl they all be primary
[10:04] <xtknight> but maybe you dont want to change from what worked
[10:04] <arooni> if possible
[10:04] <xtknight> yea
[10:05] <arooni> or primary and all should be set to 'beginning'
[10:05] <arooni> right
[10:05] <xtknight> yea
[10:06] <kousotu> I had my linux at end prim
[10:06] <kousotu> works fine
[10:06] <kousotu> er..
[10:06] <kousotu> have
[10:06] <arooni> oh nos
[10:06] <kousotu> ?
[10:06] <arooni> 'cant have the end before the start'
[10:06] <kousotu> lol
[10:06] <xtknight> ahah
[10:06] <arooni> when i try to make my 278 gb partition
[10:06] <xtknight> good job einstein lol
[10:06] <kousotu> wel, I have XP dualing
[10:06] <arooni> i made it last
[10:06] <arooni> what am i doing wrong
[10:06] <xtknight> hmm
[10:06] <xtknight> uhh
[10:07] <xtknight> you made them all beginning?
[10:07] <arooni> yes
[10:07] <arooni> how should i switch it up ?
[10:08] <xtknight> i dont know, it should be fine
[10:08] <arooni> it lets me do it if i set it at 200gb
[10:08] <xtknight> weird
[10:08] <xtknight> oh that's fine
[10:08] <xtknight> you can't do over like 270 anyway
[10:08] <kousotu> put / at beginning, and others at end?
[10:08] <xtknight> you drive is only 270 total!
[10:08] <databuddy> omg lol
[10:08] <xtknight> yes / should be at the beginning
[10:08] <xtknight> definitely
[10:09] <xtknight> for boot code
[10:09] <kousotu> xtknight: mine's at end :P
[10:09] <xtknight> kousotu, you havent had grub error 17 like him
[10:09] <databuddy> i'm in my feisty install - compiz/beryl it all worx with my onboard
[10:09] <xtknight> we must do everything to reduce that ;)
[10:09] <databuddy> i mean i really cant believe it lol
[10:09] <kousotu> true
[10:09] <kousotu> lol
[10:09] <xtknight> databuddy, same here
[10:09] <databuddy> maybe there's hope for gutsy yet :3
[10:09] <xtknight> compiz is great
[10:09] <xtknight> i love the ring switcher
[10:09] <xtknight> i feel like im at some type of future terminal that only i have
[10:09] <databuddy> xtknight: using onboard x3000 vid - intel lol very buggy in gutsy yet :P
[10:10] <xtknight> ah
[10:10] <databuddy> tho  without that on i can run gutsy with no vid card NO PROBLEMS lol
[10:10] <databuddy> tho on all of em - edgy / feisty / gutsy if i boot and im in gdm and go to console i can never get back into vid mode without rebooting
[10:10] <databuddy> tried killing all kinda processes too
[10:10] <databuddy> whats the command to bring the box down and up runlevels?
[10:11] <xtknight> databuddy, telinit?
[10:11] <arooni> yay
[10:11] <arooni> installing!
[10:11] <arooni> what happens if i switch master/slave
[10:11] <databuddy> telinit ?
[10:11] <arooni> does that mess everytnig up
[10:11] <xtknight> arooni, you're screwed
[10:11] <xtknight> lol
[10:11] <arooni> ok
[10:11] <xtknight> might have to edit grub
[10:11] <arooni> ill never do that
[10:11] <xtknight> it's really not worth it
[10:11] <databuddy> xtknight: that would say take down to rc2 ?
[10:11] <xtknight> databuddy, hm i dont know really
[10:11] <databuddy> arooni: doesnt matter if u switch master slave
[10:11] <arooni> wow
[10:11] <databuddy> even if you toss on another cable worx
[10:12] <kousotu> lol
[10:12] <arooni> in teh end it seems that i dont need a pci controller
[10:12] <xtknight> dont think so
[10:12] <databuddy> moved mine from hda/b to hde/f and it works
[10:12] <databuddy> ;)
[10:12] <arooni> i mean an ide pci controller
[10:12] <xtknight> maybe not
[10:12] <arooni> with my asussy mobo
[10:12] <databuddy> arooni: exactly
[10:12] <arooni> we wont know yet
[10:12] <databuddy> itl be fine
[10:12] <arooni> until i try to boot ;p
[10:12] <databuddy> as long as bios can see the hdds it will boot
[10:12] <xtknight> arooni, i didnt have problems with jmicron in feisty till i started using my cd drives
[10:12] <databuddy> i guarentee it - ive done it quite a few times lol
[10:12] <arooni> xtknight: what kinda probs did u face
[10:12] <xtknight> arooni, i'd wake up and my "dmesg" was 50 pages long with random errors.  random freezing during the day
[10:13] <arooni> oh noes
[10:13] <kousotu> lol
[10:13] <arooni> so i'm not out of the woods yet
[10:13] <kousotu> that had to suck
[10:13] <xtknight> nope you're just about to jump into the raivne
[10:13] <xtknight> ravine
[10:13] <arooni> xtknight: how long did u have to wait
[10:13] <arooni> until u saw those probs
[10:13] <arooni> i was thinking of retuning pci ide controllers tomorrow
[10:13] <xtknight> oh, don't do that yet
[10:13] <xtknight> you have the same adapter i do
[10:13] <xtknight> arooni, not long really.  couple accesses to the cd caused weird freezing and lots of errors in dmesg.
[10:14] <arooni> whats dmesg
[10:14] <xtknight> debug messages
[10:14] <xtknight> type it in the terminal
[10:14] <xtknight> harmless
[10:14] <arooni> oh cool
[10:14] <arooni> may
[10:14] <arooni> i have spent nearly 12 hours
[10:14] <arooni> today trying to get this to work
[10:15] <arooni> going to frys swapping out mobos
[10:15] <arooni> im glad this isnt wht i do for a living
[10:15] <xtknight> lol system admin
[10:15] <arooni> i'm more of a software guy
[10:15] <xtknight> wouldn't be fun
[10:15] <xtknight> jesus i know
[10:15] <xtknight> new hw and linux is what you do if you want trouble
[10:15] <arooni> well
[10:15] <arooni> i've learend my lesson there
[10:15] <arooni> but how the hell am i supposed to buy stuff from frys
[10:15] <arooni> when they put it on sale
[10:15] <kousotu> xtknight: no wonder you know everything...
[10:15] <arooni> its new
[10:15] <xtknight> kousotu, yup hehe
[10:16] <kousotu> I'm a bagger :(
[10:16] <xtknight> kousotu, no im not really a system admin
[10:16] <xtknight> kousotu, i was just saying
[10:16] <kousotu> lol
[10:16] <xtknight> kousotu, the reson i know everything, is because i tried new HW on linux probably
[10:17] <kousotu> you don't have to kep saying my name
[10:17] <kousotu> lol
[10:17] <xtknight> i dont wanna be a system admin either
[10:17] <xtknight> ahh
[10:17] <kousotu> I'm wathing the wondow
[10:17] <xtknight> programming is funner
[10:17] <xtknight> lol
[10:17] <kousotu> yer a programmer huh?
[10:17] <xtknight> that i am
[10:17] <kousotu> thAT'S COOL
[10:18] <kousotu> I amone of those "modded, done" kinda guys
[10:18] <kousotu> lol
[10:18] <xtknight> haha
[10:18] <finalbeta> kousotu: Seems my .asoundrc was stopping rhythmbox from playing, yet, I think I no longer need it, since now it plays 5.1 without it.
[10:18] <finalbeta> But the rear plays to silent :/
[10:18] <xtknight> yes, im like "modded, never stop modding"
[10:18] <kousotu> lol
[10:19] <kousotu> xtknight: you chould make a CD plugin for epsxe Linux
[10:19] <kousotu> lol
[10:19] <xtknight> at least with linux you know you can never know enough of it
[10:19] <kousotu> so I don;t have to cludder my hd with ISOs
[10:19] <kousotu> lol
[10:20] <xtknight> like, if you want to try something new like firewire, throw out all the knowledge you had about usb because nothing's the same
[10:20] <xtknight> another 10 hrs
[10:20] <kousotu> lol
[10:21] <kousotu> you could code a CD plugin, couldn't you?
[10:21] <kousotu> lol
[10:21] <xtknight> maybe, i just dont want to that badly
[10:21] <kousotu> damn...
[10:21] <kousotu> lol
[10:21] <xtknight> you could too hehe
[10:21] <xtknight> it would just take a while
[10:21] <xtknight> lol
[10:21] <kousotu> not really, I suck at it
[10:21] <kousotu> shoot, couldn't you mod the ISO plugin?
[10:21] <kousotu> lol
[10:22] <xtknight> heh probably
[10:24] <kousotu> whoo src :)
[10:24] <kousotu> oh gagme...
[10:24] <kousotu> can you do it?
[10:24] <kousotu> lol
[10:24] <kousotu> I haven't got a cue where to start
[10:25] <kousotu> wb sr. crashalot
[10:25] <xtknight> nah im not doing that..cmon ;)
[10:25] <xtknight> sounds like you need a Windows VM
[10:25] <xtknight> it will help you transition
[10:26] <xtknight> use your old emus there
[10:26] <kousotu> lol
[10:26] <finalbeta> This time Rhythmbox froze everything up. It always was a very unstable program, and I knew several ways to crash it for sure, but they added new way which are commonly used. hehe
[10:26] <xtknight> windows vm is a lot more reliable than wine, btw
[10:26] <xtknight> it essentially is windows
[10:26] <xtknight> it cant do fullscreen 3d games
[10:26] <kousotu> my ram is to low
[10:26] <kousotu> lol
[10:26] <xtknight> emulators wlil be fine
[10:26] <xtknight> hm maybe ya
[10:27] <kousotu> 512mb
[10:27] <kousotu> t was piss poor for vista
[10:27] <kousotu> XP does ok with it
[10:27] <xtknight> give 256mb to the VM..
[10:27] <kousotu> Linux shines
[10:27] <kousotu> lol
[10:27] <xtknight> thatll be fine for emus
[10:27] <kousotu> I doubt that
[10:27] <kousotu> PCSX2 req 512
[10:27] <kousotu> lol
[10:28] <xtknight> arooni, i really wanna hear the results of all this.  so i'll be around tomorrow some time
[10:29] <kousotu> if not more
[10:29] <kousotu> I got it running on 512 though
[10:29] <kousotu> lol
[10:35] <kousotu> xtknight: AVI plays fine
[10:35] <kousotu> but low val
[10:37] <kousotu> wb beta
[10:41] <finalbeta> Thnx, If all else fails... reboot.
[10:41] <kousotu> lol
[10:41] <finalbeta> Hope it's a little more stable now.
[10:41] <kousotu> same ole story lol
[10:42] <kousotu> hey can you time a shutdown?
[10:42] <finalbeta> ofcourse
[10:42] <kousotu> how?
[10:42] <kousotu> lol
[10:42] <finalbeta> I'll check the man.
[10:42] <kousotu> on win. it rarely works
[10:42] <kousotu> lol
[10:43] <finalbeta> That's because some apps stall the shutdown, you need to use the force switch on win.
[10:43] <RAOF> sudo shutdown -h +40
[10:43] <RAOF> Is one of many ways to shutdown in 40 minutes time.
[10:43] <kousotu> 40 sec?
[10:43] <kousotu> oh..
[10:43] <kousotu> lol
[10:44] <kousotu> so sudo shutdown -h +2 wouuld be 2 mins?
[10:44] <finalbeta> The upgrade to gutsy is worth it to have cross fading in rhythmbox alone.
[10:44] <finalbeta> Ofcourse they didn't ask the end users what they want, so it's pretty bad? But at least it's there.
[10:44] <kousotu> lol
[10:44] <kousotu> wel, mod it then
[10:44] <kousotu> lol
[10:45] <kousotu> easier than windows
[10:45] <kousotu> lol
[10:45] <finalbeta> Cross fading shouldn't be implemented when a user manually skips a song. Because that's when a user just wants to browse songs.
[10:45] <finalbeta> So if he has to wait 10 seconds or more for every song to be playing, that's pretty bad.
[10:45] <kousotu> well, recode it then
[10:45] <kousotu> lol
[10:46] <kousotu> try doin that for windows, it's evil
[10:46] <kousotu> lol
[10:46] <finalbeta> I have my own project, luckily not involving that much legacy code :P
[10:46] <kousotu> lol
[10:46] <finalbeta> kousotu: In windows we have enough players doing the right things already.
[10:46] <kousotu> can you posibly compile a konversation for windows?
[10:46] <kousotu> lol
[10:47] <kousotu> finalbeta: I disagree with that statement
[10:47] <kousotu> lol
[10:47] <finalbeta> Rhythmbox is pretty nice with this addon. Great they finally did it. Now to add equalizing, and they can can it a music player.
[10:48] <finalbeta> kousotu: we have some great media players on windows, the default one is the best I've ever used.
[10:48] <kousotu> how would you code a program for windows, withough a ton of grief?
[10:49] <finalbeta> kousotu: what is that based on? I think people rather code a player for win then for nix. One interface, always works...
[10:49] <kousotu> I was refering to something like konversation, not media
[10:51] <kousotu> finalbeta: if src for a cdplugin can be found for windows, how can i be modified for linux?
[10:52] <kousotu> it*
[10:52] <finalbeta> is that a serious question? I don't know, depends... probably now.
[10:52] <RAOF> kousotu: Depends on the source.  Anything from "rewrite from scratch" to "rebuild on linux"
[10:52] <finalbeta> not*
[10:53] <kousotu> RAOF: that's what I was afraid of...
[10:53] <kousotu> RAOF: pm ok?
[10:53] <RAOF> kousotu: With the balance of probabilities heavily weighted towards "from scratch"
[10:53] <RAOF> kousotu: Ok
[10:54] <finalbeta> Pidging really feels nice, I don't know if they added functionality, but it's a breath of fresh air.
[11:28] <defcon> quick easy question, for some reason my wifi interface name is stuck at wlan1 instead of wlan0, I do not have 2 wifi cards and I need to bind it to wlan0, where is the setting at, I have checked iftab and it looks right wlan0 mac 00:17:3f:c5:bf:91 arp 1
[11:47] <egon_> hello :) im using linux-kernel 2.6.22-9 and i cant install my VGA Driver for Nvidia 7300 go
[11:49] <egon_> he said: "No orecomplied kernel interface was found to match you kernel" i habe install nvidia-new-kernel-source and nvidia-kernel-common
[11:49] <egon_> can someone help me?
[11:49] <bionic> there pretty useless in here egon
[11:49] <bionic> no service at all
[11:50] <egon_> h
[11:50] <Toma-> its a development channel
[11:50] <egon_> i know
[11:50] <bionic> you shut your cunt Toma
[11:50] <Toma-> !ops
[11:50] <ubotu> Help! Mez, LjL, elkbuntu, imbrandon, DBO, gnomefreak, Hobbsee, rob, ompaul, Madpilot, Burgundavia, Seveas, CarlK, crimsun, ajmitch, tritium, Nalioth, thoreauputic, apokryphos, tonyyarusso, PriceChild, Amaranth, jrib, jenda, nixternal, Myrtti or mneptok
[11:50] <egon_> im using gusty waith this kernel
[11:51] <egon_> and gutsy is unstabel
[11:51] <Toma-> egon_: best thing to use it modules-assistant to build that
[11:51] <Toma-> egon_: better yet, just use nvidia-glx or nvidia-glx-new
[11:51] <egon_> Toma: it want support my VGA Card
[11:52] <egon_> wont
[11:52] <egon_> will not x
[11:52] <egon_> D
[11:52] <Toma-> egon_: gutsy is unstable?
[11:52] <egon_> yes...
[11:52] <jenda> huh
[11:53] <Toma-> well, theres good reason to that...
[11:53] <Toma-> i mean, its not even out yet?
[11:53] <egon_> yes
[11:53] <Toma-> for sane consumption
[11:53] <Toma-> :)
[11:54] <egon_> apt-cache policy nvidia-kernel-$(uname -r) told me no nvidia-kernel-2.6.22-9-generic
[11:54] <Toma-> !find nvidia
[11:55] <ubotu> Found: linux-restricted-modules-2.6.22-9-386, linux-restricted-modules-2.6.22-9-generic, nvidia-glx, nvidia-glx-dev, nvidia-glx-new (and 13 others)
[11:55] <Toma-> installing nvidia-glx should get the required packages for you?
[11:56] <egon_> it want support my VGA i have a 7300
[11:57] <egon_> it wont
[11:58] <ompaul> egon_, did you do sudo nvidia-reconfigure ?
[11:58] <egon_> no
[11:59] <ompaul> egon_,  it might be worth a try
[11:59] <egon_> egon@Egon-Laptop:~$ sudo nvidia-reconfigure
[11:59] <egon_> [sudo]  password for egon:
[11:59] <egon_> sudo: nvidia-reconfigure: command not found
[12:00] <egon_> and now?
[12:01] <ompaul> I'll get the command -  thought that was it
[12:01] <ompaul> but you are running gutsy and things are supposed to break
[12:01] <egon_> i cant install this driver: http://www.nvidia.com/object/linux_display_ia32_100.14.11.html
[12:02] <egon_> the installer told me: "No precompiled kernel interface was found to match you kernel"
[12:03] <ompaul> so why not do it the way that is suggested here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia
[12:08] <Hobbsee> bionic: you do realise taht most people arent around on a weekend, dont you?
[12:09] <Hobbsee> bionic: then again, with an attitude like yours, i can quite understand if anyone around completely ignores your questions.
[12:19] <Kamijo> any one here who runs Gutsy here? I have problems with OpenOffice. When I tries to start it the only things that happens is that the splash screen shows up. Nothing else :(
[12:26] <Kamijo> Ah... I got answers from an other channel
[12:27] <Kamijo> Just need to downgrade gtk for the moment
[12:43] <gnomefreak> Kamijo: its a known issue and they are working on it last i heard
[03:15] <void^> aha, the legacy ralink driver has been removed again, the new driver has been included again, and the new driver fails to recognize any of my ralink devices again. that's quite a deja vu.
[03:16] <ompaul> void^, launchpad time
[03:17] <void^> indeed
[03:18] <void^> more on the funny side: i setup a xfs partition so it warned me grub-install might fail (which it did later) with a dialog box offering "Continue" and "Go Back". "continue" didn't do anything, but "go back" did indeed continue. :] 
[03:19] <Hobbsee> void^: haha, nice!
[03:23] <void^> "HorizSync       28-204, VertRefresh     43-60" ... that's not healthy
[03:24] <void^> wow, it added a mode for 4095x4096 ..
[03:33] <IdleOne> trying to install virtualbox  (virtualbox_1.4.0-21864_Ubuntu_feisty_i386.deb)I know this is a feisty .deb and I installed on Gutsy but seems to have installed properly but I get this error at end http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/32614/ . any suggestions?
[03:38] <Hobbsee> hrm, weird
[03:42] <stdin> IdleOne: try stopping the VirtualBox service, maybe it will remove the device node
[03:42] <IdleOne> stdin, how do I stop it
[03:43] <stdin> IdleOne: is there an init script in /etc/init.d/ ?
[03:43] <IdleOne> yup
[03:43] <stdin> then sudo /etc/init.d/(whatever it's called) stop
[03:43] <IdleOne> ok it is stopped
[03:44] <stdin> see if it works now maybe
[03:44] <IdleOne> by starting it again?
[03:45] <IdleOne> I am really new to virtualbox so not sure how it works
[03:45] <stdin> what did you do to get that error? try whatever that was again
[04:24] <MisterN> hi. is the mdadm race condition in feisty a good reason to install gutsy?
[04:24] <MisterN> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mdadm/+bug/75681
[04:24] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 75681 in mdadm "boot-time race condition initializing md" [High,Fix released] 
[04:27] <void^> nice, rt2x00 actually works now
[04:33] <void^> !bugs
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[04:34] <void^> i really dislike launchpad
[04:39] <Amaranth> void^: why is that?
[04:41] <void^> it feels difficult to navigate. i alyways end up spending way too much time searching for possible duplicates before reporting a bug anyways.
[04:48] <solomon> i want to test some fc3 stuff on my gutsy laptop.. i found some instructions on installing on feisty but it said to install ubuntu-xen-desktop and that doesn't seem to be installable on gutsy
[04:52] <void^> .. and, launchpad keeps timing out on search queries right now.
[05:01] <void^> that was a strange little problem just now.. the nautilus executable was apparently corrupted, --reinstall fixed it
[05:04] <void^> same with firefox.. time to run a thorough fsck i guess..
[05:04] <Kopfgeldjaeger> hi
[05:05] <Kopfgeldjaeger> my bcm43xx does not work after installating it per resrt.-manager (cant find networks, and IOCTL error when "sudo ifconfig eth3 up"ing it)
[05:24] <emilia> does desktop effects not work in two simultaneously logged in accounts?
[05:24] <emilia> i can only get it to work on one
[06:30] <nuke13> Hi
[07:32] <opop> hey guys.
[07:33] <opop> I booted with vga=792 and the result was I have no console at all.
[07:33] <opop> no ttys anyway
[07:34] <opop> i'll try a lower res, but I know it's capable.  maybe a lower color depth
[07:35] <opop> !pastebin
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[07:38] <opop> my /var/log/messages, with the vesafb output.  http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/32640/
[07:52] <kiba> there is something that is handicaping Firefox's performance
[07:57] <ninnghizidha> How to use .diff-files correctly?
[07:57] <voidmage> patch -p0 < file.diff
[07:58] <ninnghizidha> thanks! :D
[08:47] <opop> anyone having problems with the framebuffer console in gutsy?  I'm passing vga=795 to the kernel at boot (yes, this is a supported mode for my card), but tty 1-6 never "appear."  They are there somewhere, because I can login and do "sudo shutdown -r now" and the like.
[08:47] <opop> But all i can see is a blank screen.
[08:47] <opop> X works fine.
[08:48] <rjek> snap.
[08:49] <rjek> They don't work on .22 for me, but work fine in .20
[08:49] <rjek> ThinkPad X61t with Intel GMA X3100 graphics.
[08:49] <rjek> Symptons are identical.
[08:49] <opop> oh, i see...
[08:49] <opop> kernel issue then
[08:50] <opop> when are they gonna migrate to vesafb-tng?  it works much better
[08:55] <rjek> opop: I have no idea.  If it's not already in the kernel, I imagine there's good reason.
[09:00] <opop> it's in the linux kernel, but not the ubuntu, afaik
[09:02] <stdin> opop: you need to un-blacklist the modules
[09:04] <T-Connect> Can you guys help me out? I'm missing Xv.h and Xvlib.h. I can't make a program without those.
[09:04] <opop> stdin, yeah?  that should bring my console back online?
[09:05] <stdin> opop: yeah, I got framebuffer, I had to comment out the blacklist in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist-framebuffer
[09:06] <opop> so, i should maybe un-blacklist nvidiafb?  or just vesafb?
[09:06] <opop> i'll try both.
[09:06] <opop> thanks stdin
[09:09] <T-Connect>  Heh forget the crappy Xv.h and Xvlib.h. I gave up make a program. No BSNES for me then.
[09:09] <T-Connect> Trash it go.
[09:24] <theverant> Hi, I get "'mtp-detect' is not currently installed.  You can install it by typing: sudo apt-get install libmtp5"  but when I do that, it informs me libmtp5 IS already installed
[09:24] <theverant> any ideas?
[09:26] <theverant> Amarok gets very lonely if it can't talk to my Creative Zen. :(
[09:40] <trax_> hello
[09:40] <trax_> i have problem with tsclient
[09:41] <trax_> ive used a laptop and have connect from laptop win to desktop win with rdp, and that works
[09:41] <trax_> then i have booted linux on my laptop and the first connect are ok, but win has say , no rights..
[09:42] <trax_> now ive testet, and logged in with administrator, that has works...after logout and next test with user came "connection refused"
[09:42] <trax_> and that come now ever,
[09:43] <trax_> i have view in the shell about telnet 192.168..x.x:3389 and that say
[09:43] <trax_> name or service not known
[09:43] <trax_> a ping work
[09:43] <trax_> o.O
[09:45] <TheInfinity> reading logs might solve problems :)
[09:45] <trax_> hab ich mir nu auf englisch den mund fusselig geschrieben damit du mir mitteilst das ich die logs lesen soll???
[09:45] <trax_> vogel...
[09:46] <TheInfinity> english channel. and i think you need the training :D
[09:46] <TheInfinity> and your windows configuration might be not ok - i think this is server problem, not a client issue
[09:56] <c1|freaky> hi all. i have a problem doing upgrades since a few days and i can't get it to work. http://rafb.net/p/WCU75576.html it
[09:56] <c1|freaky> can someone help me?
[09:56] <c1|freaky> eg,:
[09:56] <c1|freaky> dpkg: Fehler beim Bearbeiten von /var/cache/apt/archives/kde4base_3.92.0-0ubuntu1_i386.deb (--unpack):
[09:56] <c1|freaky>  Versuche, /usr/lib/kde4/lib/kde4/kded_kpasswdserver.so zu berschreiben, welches auch in Paket kdelibs5 ist
[09:56] <c1|freaky> dpkg-deb: Unterprozess paste mit Signal (Broken pipe) gettet
[09:58] <c1|freaky> translated: error while trying to process /var/cache/apt/archives/kde4base_3.92.0-0ubuntu1_i386.deb (--unpack): trying to overwrite /usr/lib/kde4/lib/kde4/kded_kpasswdserver.so which is allready present in kdelibs5.
[09:58] <c1|freaky> i get a few of these errors all having to do with overwriting files
[09:58] <c1|freaky> this is the output of apt-get -f install
[09:59] <twilight> c1|freaky: sudo dpkg -i --force-overwrite /var/cache/apt/archives/kde4b
[10:00] <c1|freaky> thx :D
[10:01] <twilight> ops, /var/cache/apt/archives/kde4bubuntu1_i386.deb
[10:24] <pace_t_zulu> anyone here use last.fm?
[10:35] <skkane> does anyone else have a problem with the nvidia drivers having to be reinstalled after each cold restart/startup :?
[10:36] <TheInfinity> here nvidia drivers dont work at all ;)
[10:36] <skkane> heh
[10:36] <skkane> here i can install them and they work no probs
[10:36] <skkane> but... after i shut down the pc and restart it after some time i get an error from Xorg saying that no screen's are found and something is wrong with the nvidia drivers
[10:37] <skkane> so i have to reinstall them every time
[11:27] <CryptoMole> hi all i was thinking about trying gusty?
[11:27] <rjek> Is that a question?
[11:27] <CryptoMole> can anyone tell me their exp.
[11:28] <CryptoMole> id just be curious as to what to expect
[11:30] <CryptoMole> is upgrading the better way or new install?
[11:34] <CryptoMole> thanks i guess you all are busy
[11:35] <CryptoMole> see you when i have installed it
[11:46] <opop> vesafb is torquin me off.
[11:55] <opop> mannomann!
[12:28] <opop> hey, do the kernel sources in the repositories come pre-configured the same as they are distributed in binary?
[12:28] <h8crime> when i press ctl-alt-f* to get to a console, there is no shell, and i can't type anything
[12:28] <h8crime> just a blank text-mode screen with a cursor