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fxfitzHey everyone! I have updates to install on Ubuntu, but it doesn't seem like it can connect to Mythbuntu's sservers. Any ideas?01:13
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jumpkickIt's a shame the install shits out half way because mirror.cs.umn.edu is down.   Never found out if it would actually do the tuners and LIRC...  :(04:51
billbraskyyep, i'm waiting on the servers to come back too04:54
billbraskybeen putting off this media center build for a while.. i pick the weekend these repos are down :-P04:54
tgm4883_laptopI didn't think you needed an internet connection to install04:56
jumpkicktgm4883_laptop: you do if you have an nvidia card04:56
tgm4883_laptopah04:56
jumpkickit's a long weekend in Canada, so  I was hoping to get this done quick...  guess I'll have to put it off till next weekend04:57
billbraskyyea04:57
billbraskyi assumed it was the nvidia driver that required a download04:57
jumpkickbillbrasky: yeah nvidia restricted driver is in the repo04:58
tgm4883_laptopthats interesting, I why its not on the CD?04:59
jumpkickneed it for video acceleration, and if you select it while the repos are down the installer pops up an error message saying repo is not available and it will try its best to continue to install, then it locks X04:59
jumpkickyou can boot the resulting install, but myth isn't configured, tuner drivers aren't loaded, lirc doesn't work... basically half of the install didn't go05:00
jumpkickand of course video is not accelerated which sucks ass05:00
lagathe servers should be back soon, hopefully05:03
lagaok, g'night05:03
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foxbuntudoes anyone here have access to the webserver?07:17
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tgm4883_laptopI dont think so foxbuntu07:27
tgm4883_laptoparg, stupid STB software updates07:29
tgm4883_laptopthere goes my backend uptime07:29
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tgm4883_laptopalmost 23 days without needing a reboot :(07:34
foxbuntutgm4883_laptop, yeah..figured there wasn't and superm1 is out in the woods or something07:34
foxbuntuthe webserver is down07:35
tgm4883_laptopwe put a call to imbrandon, but I guess he didn't answer07:35
foxbuntuoh07:35
tgm4883_laptopI guess his personal site is down too07:35
foxbuntuuh oh07:35
tgm4883_laptopso who knows what the problem is07:35
foxbuntuthat sounds like bad news for us07:35
tgm4883_laptopit does sound like bad news.07:36
foxbuntuI wonder if the place imbrandon was 'hosting' them from knew about it07:36
tgm4883_laptopim pretty sure they did07:36
foxbuntui sure hope so...otherwise we might be looking for a new host07:37
tgm4883_laptopi think it was a huge server farm that he had a machine in there07:37
foxbuntuyeah I heard that07:37
tgm4883_laptopin either case, we should have a mirror for if this happens07:37
foxbuntuindeed07:37
foxbuntuI know a great hosting service...but its a paid thing07:38
tgm4883_laptopdo you know how much bandwidth the site uses in a month?07:38
foxbuntuidk07:38
tgm4883_laptopwhat host you talking about?07:39
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foxbuntubut the hosting service I am thinking of allows 2TB a month if i remember correctly07:39
tgm4883_laptopthe bad news is that some people are having trouble installing mythbuntu because of it07:40
foxbuntuoh no07:41
foxbuntuthe repo's were on there too?07:41
tgm4883_laptopyea07:41
foxbuntucrap....I didnt know that07:42
tgm4883_laptopsites been down since yesterday07:43
foxbuntuyea,,,I noticed but I hadn't been able to get ahold of superm107:44
foxbuntuthe scary thing about imbrandon being unreachable and the site going down on a Friday is that imbrandon might have been 'released' from his employer07:45
tgm4883_laptoplets hope not07:45
foxbuntuyea...no crap07:46
tgm4883_laptop:( 22:45:12 up 4 min,  2 users,  load average: 0.03, 0.14, 0.0707:46
foxbuntulol...your backend?07:46
tgm4883_laptopyea07:46
tgm4883_laptopjust had to reboot it07:46
tgm4883_laptopstupid cable company07:46
foxbuntulol07:47
foxbuntuwhat happened with the cable that made you reboot?07:47
tgm4883_laptopthey sent a software update that rebooted my STB07:47
tgm4883_laptopand when my STB reboots, it jumps nodes07:47
foxbuntuyuk...thats gay07:48
foxbuntumine doesnt do that07:48
tgm4883_laptopactually, a reboot wont fix that either, it needs a shutdown07:48
foxbuntualthough the last time they sent a software update one of my STB boxes died07:48
tgm4883_laptopthats no deal07:48
tgm4883_laptopWTF07:49
foxbuntuwhich reminds me...one of them is dead right now07:49
foxbuntu??07:49
tgm4883_laptopis launchpad down too?07:49
foxbuntuwow07:49
foxbuntuthats wild07:50
foxbuntuwtf is going on07:50
tgm4883_laptopI checked a few hours ago and they were updating and now this07:50
foxbuntulol07:50
foxbuntucrap07:51
foxbuntunow my virtual machine is dead...I tried loading the current build from disk into a VM before I found out the repos are dead too07:51
foxbuntuman what a night07:52
foxbuntujust f'in figures07:53
foxbuntumy good car got egg'd by some punk kids Thursday night07:53
foxbuntu$1500 in damage to the paint07:54
tgm4883_laptopthat sucks07:54
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foxbuntuI pretty much went off the handle on that one07:54
foxbuntuand by nice car...I mean its my 2003 Lexus IS 30007:55
foxbuntunot my 1985 Chevy Pickup07:55
foxbuntudamn kids07:55
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billbraskyanyone have any updates on mythbuntu.org ?06:59
billbraskylooks like http://mirror.cs.umn.edu is back tho07:01
billbraskythis is good07:01
lagasuperm1 is back, too07:07
billbraskyanyone know the correct codec location for mplayer ?07:13
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superm1foxbuntu, foxxbuntu foxxxbuntu there?07:56
tgm4883hey superm107:58
superm1hey tgm488307:58
tgm4883how was the weekend?07:58
superm1well we got rained in, so "interesting"07:58
superm1waking up this morning07:58
tgm4883ah07:59
superm1the tent was kinda floating on water and mud07:59
tgm4883doesn't sound like much fun07:59
superm1well most of yesterday we played RISK07:59
tgm4883great game07:59
superm1my first time playing07:59
superm1i made the mistake of starting with ASIA07:59
tgm4883similiar here then, not much fu07:59
superm1ended up in second though (of 5 of us)08:00
tgm4883oh yea, dont start with asia08:00
tgm4883australaia or south america08:00
superm1haha well i was told that i made the best go that the guys i played with ever saw starting with asia08:00
superm1i held it all the way up until the last 3 turns08:00
tgm4883nice08:01
tgm4883too many attack points in asia08:01
superm1well see the thing is i made a peace treaty with america's edge and australia08:01
superm1so i only had to hold up across the european front and part of africa08:01
superm1and then when i was strong enough, overtook australia by surprise08:02
tgm4883good call, australia is good to have08:02
superm1yea held that until the last bout out08:02
tgm4883i always take australia first and work my way out.  That or south america08:02
tgm4883did australia have 1 or 2 attack points?08:03
superm1well i think if i play with a new group of people i can easily pull off another start in asia, but since these people saw how that played out, i dont think they'd let me do this again08:03
superm1108:03
tgm4883ah, good board08:03
superm1is there boards with 2?08:03
tgm4883theres a new board with more links between south america-australai, another link between north america and europe, and they add hawaii and link it to japan08:04
superm1oh wow08:05
superm1that would really mix things up08:05
tgm4883hey do i need to have an opengpg key for my chroot?08:05
superm1if your going to sign the packages yes08:06
tgm4883yea, it does.  It takes some of the power away from australia08:06
superm1you can make it in a normal feisty account, and then copy to the chroot's /root08:06
tgm4883for such a small country, it has lots of power08:06
tgm4883can i use my already made key on this computer in feisty to gutsy chroot?08:07
superm1yes08:07
tgm4883sweet08:07
tgm4883i don't suppose you know whats going on with the site and imbrandon?08:08
tgm4883we've kinda been in the dark08:08
superm1see the advantage of having asia, is that i appeared to be such a small threat, everyone else duked it out with their battles with 40 or 50 men, while i just built up territory cards here and there waiting to drop them in08:08
superm1i heard about it on friday being down before i left08:08
superm1so i called imbrandon08:08
superm1and he was aware of it and working on it08:09
tgm4883ah08:09
tgm4883thats good to know08:09
superm1but my phone went dead (not to mention i didnt have reception)08:09
superm1so i didn't hear back from him even if he tried to call08:09
superm1it appears that other hosted projects of his are down too08:09
superm1ubuntu studio08:09
superm1is08:09
tgm4883yea we say his personal site was down too08:09
superm1ubuntu wire is08:09
superm1yea imbrandon.com is08:10
superm1so its not just us08:10
tgm4883yea once we noticed that we were starting to get worried08:10
superm1and considering he isn't on irc, i'm assuming he is normally on irssi on one of his hosted boxes via ssh08:10
superm1well i know we had tornado watches in effect this weekend by where we were camping (a little north west of des moines), so it's possible similar things were happening in missouri08:11
lagasuperm1: what's needed to get weekly builds of the svn packages? what were our plans?08:11
superm1laga, well once you've got the green light on that packaging, we need a debconf warning at the start of the install of mythtv-common08:12
superm1saying these are experimental blah blah08:12
superm1make sure to back up your database08:12
tgm4883arg, wheres the gpg key stored?08:12
superm1~/.gpg i think08:12
tgm4883i hope not, cause then I will feel stupid08:13
superm1laga, then we can add those weekly builds to mythbuntu.org08:13
superm1~/.gnupg08:13
superm1just copy the whole directory over08:13
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lagasuperm1: k08:13
tgm4883its already there08:14
superm1tgm4883, clear out the one in the chroot and copy yours from the home directory08:14
superm1so you copy your private key08:14
tgm4883but my home directory in the chroot is just linked to my home directory08:14
tgm4883could that be the problem?  Thats how it is setup08:15
superm1oh that's weird08:15
tgm4883it is?08:15
superm1i think08:15
tgm4883I followed the guide08:15
superm1well maybe its not08:15
tgm4883I get this gpg: skipped "tgm4883 <thomas@weilandhomes.com>": secret key not available08:17
superm1well for now, just build it without signing then08:18
superm1debuild -uc -us08:18
tgm4883_laptopok will do08:18
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tgm4883any requests for the next unofficial plugin I should do?08:51
tgm4883i'm starting to wonder if some of these plugins even work anymore08:51
superm1tgm4883, which one did you do?08:53
tgm4883working on the recording extender, but some of these haven't been updated in years08:54
tgm4883theres only a few that appeal to me, so I would like to know what appeals to others08:58
tgm4883MRE, MythBurn (Discontinued for mytharchive, but allowed burning from mythweb), mythcollaboritive (command line only), mythcalandar (site hacked cant download, hasn't been updated since 04), mythappletrailers09:02
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superm1whoops tgm4883 didn't see you responded09:26
superm1well mythburn i'd say no09:26
tgm4883thats ok, im used to talking to myself09:26
superm1because it is discountinued09:26
lagatgm4883: you wrote mythburn?09:26
superm1tgm4883, put my name in there so the channel beeps at me :)09:26
tgm4883out of the ones I listed, MRE looks ok, mythappletrailers needs some extra work for the package09:27
tgm4883laga, no, just looking at packaging09:27
lagaah09:27
tgm4883unofficial plugins09:27
lagammaybe mythstream?09:27
lagaor that mythapplytrailer thingy09:27
superm1myth stream would make sense09:27
lagai'm wondering if i should shove eskil's shoutcast patch in my trunk packages09:27
lagait's abit unstable, still09:27
superm1laga, shoutcast support in mythmusic?09:28
tgm4883oh yea, mythstream looks good09:28
superm1it will need some work to make it apply cleanly to mythweb i'd expect09:28
superm1but if you get it to work properly, that'd be awesome09:29
tgm4883mythstream?09:29
lagasuperm1: yes.09:29
lagasuperm1: mythstream or mythstreamtv?09:30
superm1oh didnt realize there was a difference09:30
superm1i guess i'm thinking of mythstreamtv?09:30
lagayes09:30
superm1the one that sets up an on the fly transcoder09:30
superm1for mythweb09:30
foxbuntuTVWish looks pretty cool, if it had frontend intergration09:30
lagasuperm1: such a thing is already in svn trunk09:30
superm1laga, that's right09:30
superm1with the gpl flash player09:30
superm1laga, any words on the re-encoding though for it since it needed a special ffmpeg09:31
lagasuperm1: it's currently dpeending ffmpeg.. if there'll be now transcoding support in the backend, it'll get dropped for the release09:31
lagasuperm1: "special ffmpeg"? just ffmpeg with mp3 support ;)09:31
superm1great09:31
superm1well special in the sense not standard ubuntu09:31
superm1haha09:31
laga:)09:31
kikko_Might be slightly offtopiv, but has anyone had experience with anything Geode GXLV based? What is it able to do media-wise? (233Mhz chip)09:31
tgm4883I like the concept behind mythappletrailers, but I think it should be a part of mythmovies09:31
superm1kikko_, is there any sort of hardware mpeg2 or mpeg4 decoder / accelerator on that box?09:32
tgm4883i would think that it may* be able to play dvd resolution stuff09:33
kikko_superm1, no, a thin client09:33
lagatgm4883: how does it work right now?09:33
tgm4883but this is only based on me vaguely remembering the windows recommended specs for dvd playback09:34
tgm4883laga, mythappletrailers or mythmovies?09:34
superm1kikko_, i would imagine it wouldn't be able to handle much - but u'd have to experiment with one.09:34
kikko_hmm, that's why I'm asking, I want it primarily to make noise 24/7, but if is capable of video It would be a nice bonus09:35
lagatgm4883: mythapplethingamajic09:35
superm1kikko_, to make noise 24/7?09:35
tgm4883superm1, music i assume09:35
kikko_music :] 09:35
superm1hehe09:35
superm1i was gonna say: most htpc's people want quiet...09:35
kikko_:] 09:36
tgm4883laga http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Myth_Apple_Trailers09:36
tgm4883looks like it streams from apple servers09:36
foxbuntutgm4883, appears that way to me too09:36
foxbuntuit just runs a cron job to update the links every 24 hours09:36
lagatgm4883: does it create regular menu entries? not too stupid09:37
tgm4883it would be nice if mythmovies would show trailers for the movies it lists09:37
lagahum09:37
laga   $player_exec_cmd = '/usr/bin/mplayer -fs -zoom -quiet -user-agent NSPlayer -cache 8192'; //mplayer command09:37
laga^^ this should be mythtv :)09:37
foxbuntuit could be changed in the XML code pretty easy09:37
lagait can be changed in the settings09:37
lagai'll try it on my s100 now09:38
foxbuntuI could move the menu item from info center to media pretty easy09:38
foxbuntuany takers?09:38
foxbuntu:)09:38
tgm4883see, im not really sure how to package that either09:39
foxbuntunot a big deal really the way i see it...its just a simple patch that needs to be packaged....much like the lirc-generator superm1 and I ddi09:41
kikko_How realistic is smooth video playback across a network, using the thin client only as an X server?09:41
foxbuntudid*09:41
tgm4883same with mythwebrss09:41
tgm4883the thin client would still need to be able to play the video09:41
kikko_you mean video bandwith?09:42
tgm4883i mean if you can't locally play a video file thats 720x480, your not going to be able to do that over the network09:42
tgm4883it still depends on your system specs, your not offloading anything on the host computer09:43
tgm4883the best thing to do would be to test it out.  If it is something your watching on ebay, then if you want it to play video I would pass09:44
kikko_meh, I guess I'll try, I listen to music way more anyway :] 09:45
foxbuntutgm4883, you have peaked my intrest in the mythappletrailers09:47
tgm4883foxbuntu, good to know, i'll let you look at that then while im working on packaging mythstream09:47
foxbuntuI am gonna play with it and see about moving the menu item into the logical spot of media library and then try to package it09:47
lagafoxbuntu: i have already instaalled it :)09:47
lagafoxbuntu: yes, please package it.09:47
foxbuntuhow well does it work?09:47
lagadunno09:48
lagai have ywet to try it09:48
lagalet's see09:48
tgm4883can you set the option from the frontend?09:48
superm1foxbuntu, if your going to start looking into packaging, i'll have to get you pointed here:09:48
superm1!packagingguide | foxbuntu09:48
ubotufoxbuntu: The packaging guide is at http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/index.html - See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/New for information on getting a package integrated into Ubuntu - Other developer resources are at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperResources - See also !backports09:48
superm1as well as09:48
superm1!revu | foxbuntu09:48
ubotufoxbuntu: REVU is a web-based tool to give people who have worked on Ubuntu packages a chance to "put their packages out there" for other people to look at and comment on in a structured manner. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/REVU09:48
tgm4883and since it's an unofficial plugin, we should form a special elite team09:49
tgm4883I think we need uniforms09:49
foxbuntuyea...the "Nerd Herd" lol09:50
tgm4883and everyone uses black or silver for their uniforms09:50
tgm4883im leaning toward powder blue09:50
foxbuntusuperm1, thanks...I will make sure to go through those while I work on this (my first) package09:50
foxbuntutgm4883, if you come up with one let me know...09:51
foxbuntuin the mean time...I need artwork help09:51
foxbuntu:)09:51
superm1foxbuntu, i'll give it a look over once you've got things up09:51
lagait works great.09:51
lagayay09:51
foxbuntusuperm1, sounds good09:51
superm1and give you pointers on what needs to be done to conform to policy09:51
tgm4883laga, can you adjust the options in the frontend for it?09:51
tgm4883otherwise it defaults to SD09:51
lagai just need to set up lirc for mplayer :(09:52
lagatgm4883: no you can't. you could do that via debconf..09:52
tgm4883k09:52
foxbuntualright...well I gtg for now...i am headed out to my folks place for a while..gonna take the lappy with though..I want to see about getting this packaged...09:52
foxbuntusuperm1, is there a way to skip the package download part of the mythbuntu install without it crashing?09:53
superm1foxbuntu, dont have a web connection09:53
superm1plugged in09:53
superm1and it will skip it09:53
foxbuntuok09:53
superm1on alpha 3 at least09:53
foxbuntucrap09:53
foxbuntuIm not sure if I can find my alpha 3 cd09:54
superm1well you can still download one from the mirror09:54
foxbuntualthough the one i have says alpha 2...I have a feeling its that pre-release dl you sent me09:54
superm1on polorix.net09:54
superm1well its alpha 3 exactly09:54
superm1that supports it09:54
superm1the prerelease stuff does not09:54
superm1it was a very last minute thing09:54
foxbuntuoh09:55
foxbuntuyou got a link on the mirror to grab that disk?09:55
superm1http://mirror.polorix.net/index.php?dir=Mythbuntu09:55
foxbuntusuperm1, thanks...I will catch you later...might need a little php help to update this patch for the apple thing09:56
foxbuntulater09:56
superm1cya09:56
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tgm4883!ubotu10:22
ubotuI am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots10:22
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lagasuperm1: what do you think about having a *real* log file for mythfrontend? that'd be very useful to for bug reports, too10:55
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tgm4883superm1, 2 questions.  1.  Is it better to package from scratch or repackage from debian or does it matter11:20
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tgm4883superm1, msg me when you return.11:36
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lagatgm4883: whatever works for you ;)11:48
lagawhat are you trying to package?11:48
tgm4883_laptopmythstream11:48
tgm4883_laptopi found it packaged for debian by andrew pollack11:48
lagayou can certainly re-use an existing debian package11:49
tgm4883_laptopdefinently going to do that, having trouble packaging it from scratch11:49
lagado you want help?`11:51
tgm4883_laptopthat would be awesome11:51
laga:)11:51
lagaok, can you point me to said debian package?11:51
tgm4883i got the debian package from here http://www.andrew.net.au/~apollock/mythstream/ although I haven't checked debian repos11:52
lagait won't be there11:52
lagamythtv is not in the debian repos11:53
tgm4883ah11:53
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tgm4883lets see, i ran this and it seemed to work and sign  dpkg-buildpackage -S -rfakeroot11:53
lagahum11:54
lagayeah, this is the most recent version of mythstream already11:54
tgm4883yep11:54
tgm4883i have the dsc file that I made11:55
tgm4883but when I do sudo pbuilder build ../*.dsc i get many errors11:55
lagawhat errors?11:55
tgm4883Err http://archive.ubuntu.com gutsy/main x11-common 1:7.2-3ubuntu411:56
tgm4883  404 Not Found [IP: 91.189.88.31 80] 11:56
tgm4883and a lot more for different packages11:56
lagaoh11:56
lagatgm4883: you need to run pbuilder update11:56
tgm4883ah11:56
tgm4883sec11:56
lagagutsy is still a moving target. packages get removed often11:56
lagahum11:57
lagaok, i won't try to use mythstream with svn trunk, seems like too much work.. ah well.. maybe..11:57
tgm4883my bad, i thought i was all updated because i did an apt-get upgrade in my chroot.  Forgot about pbuilder11:58
lagamythstream supports podcast and video streaming. hum.11:58
tgm4883foxbuntu, how goes the mythappletrailer packaging?11:59
lagatgm4883: i'd suggest that you adjust the build-depends in debian/control. we're now using "libmyth-dev" instead of "libmyth-0.20-dev"12:00
tgm4883i'll change it12:01
lagaor you could use both, like "libmyth-dev | libmyth-0.20-dev" AFAIK12:01
tgm4883i do get this note when running pbuilder on it12:01
tgm4883Note, selecting libmyth-dev instead of libmyth-0.20-dev12:01
lagatgm4883: yes, apt-cache show libmyth-dev will tell ya why:12:02
lagaProvides: libmyth-0.20-dev12:02
lagaDepends: libmyth-0.20 (= svn200708004-14140-0.0ubuntu0), libqt3c102-mt-dev | libqt3-mt-dev12:02
lagaConflicts: libmyth-0.20-dev12:02
lagahum12:03
lagait builds fine with svn trunk12:03
tgm4883ok, i think it built12:04
tgm4883ok, i attempted to build the binary package, but cant find it12:05
lagaheh12:05
tgm4883i feel dumb12:05
tgm4883lol12:05
laga/var/cache/pbuilder/result/12:05
lagait works fine here.12:05
lagaya, well.. except for a segfault when exiting ;)12:06
tgm4883there it is!!!12:06
tgm4883eh12:07
tgm4883can i build a 32 bit binary on a 64-bit chroot?12:07
lagai doubt it12:08
tgm4883:(12:08
tgm4883no testing for tgm488312:09
lagaum12:09
lagawhy not?12:09
tgm4883i don't have a 64-bit gutsy mythtv install12:09
lagawhy did you build it in a 64 bit chroot then?12:10
tgm4883good question12:11
tgm4883all my boxes are 64-bit12:11
tgm4883i don't remember seeing a setting for that in the chroot guide, but im probably wrong12:11
tgm4883i'll just make a vmware-player mythbuntu 64-bit install12:13
tgm4883so once im done with this, what do I need to give whoever is building it for the repos?  all the .dsc?12:14
lagahum12:15
lagadsc, diff.gz, orig.tar.gz.. let superm1 decide that ;)12:15
tgm4883good call12:15
tgm4883libmyth-dev is new right?12:15
lagayes12:16
lagahum12:16
tgm4883ok, one more question12:16
lagai like the shoutcast patch better.12:16
tgm4883i think12:16
lagasure12:16
tgm4883do i still change all the maintainer stuff to me or do I leave it andrew pollack12:16
tgm4883actually i think i just answered that myself12:16
tgm4883i change it right?12:17
tgm4883otherwise the signature wouldn't be right12:17
lagayeah12:17
lagayou should give recdit to him12:17
lagai think you can do that in a special file, but i dunno off-hand12:17
tgm4883i just added a little to the changelog leaving his stuff below12:18
tgm4883basically saying initial ubuntu gutsy package12:18
tgm4883a little fuzzy on the copyright file though12:18
tgm4883ah, i think i just figured out why it wouldn't sign automatically12:19
lagahm12:20
lagait doesn't automagically created menu items, does it?12:21
lagasee INSTALL #512:21
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tgm4883laga, doesn't look like it12:25
lagahum12:26
lagayou could try to patch the menu files in a postinst script.. but that'd be hacky12:26
lagayou could ship pre-modified menu files but that's not pretty either12:27

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