[12:19] lifeless: looks to me as if the library functions under the cover have changed [12:19] hello [12:19] lifeless: which is then calling different methods on the custom stream class [12:19] morning poolie [12:20] thumper: ah so the standard doesn't really specify then? Whats the best canonical reference for doing custom streams [12:20] thumper: when I was doing that one the best docs I found where a powerpoint presentation from a c++ conference [12:20] lifeless: the standard only dictates the interface and behaviour [12:21] lifeless: "I/O streams and locales" by Angelica Langer and someone else or "C++ standard library" by Nico Josuttis [12:21] thanks [12:21] I find Nico's book one of the best [12:22] and I suggest C++ people get it after Meyer's books [12:22] poolie: you back in AU now? === Pricey [n=pricechi@ubuntu/member/pdpc.supporter.student.PriceChild] has joined #launchpad [12:22] yes, i am [12:22] poolie: up for a call? [12:23] lifeless: also, if this is a change in behaviour in GCC, I'd expect the same behaviour in ubuntu with the same compiler [12:24] indeed [12:24] poolie is in demand today :) [12:27] mm, i expected to be [12:27] prices will rise accordingly :) === jml [n=jml@ppp121-44-218-164.lns1.hba1.internode.on.net] has joined #launchpad [12:29] from $0 to $0 ? :) [12:31] which reminds me, did you get an Economist yet? [12:31] yes indeed - thank you! === doko_ [n=doko@dslb-088-073-114-210.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #launchpad === Fujitsu [n=fujitsu@ubuntu/member/fujitsu] has joined #launchpad === lamont` is now known as lamont === _Paracha [i=Coder@Is.A.TclCoder.Org] has joined #launchpad === _Paracha is now known as Paracha === effie_jayx [n=valles@ubuntu/member/effie-jayx] has joined #launchpad === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #launchpad === red [n=openedu@rescomp-06-102861.Stanford.EDU] has joined #launchpad === merriam__ [n=merriam@82-133-115-120.dyn.gotadsl.co.uk] has joined #launchpad === jml [n=jml@ppp108-61.static.internode.on.net] has joined #launchpad === superm1 [n=malimonc@ubuntu/member/superm1] has joined #launchpad [03:11] apparently dogfood.launchpad.net is down right now? [03:11] is this intended [03:11] It's been down for quite a while for me. [03:11] i've been out of town all weekend :) [03:11] then are ppa items building [03:11] if submitted to upload.launchpad.net? [03:12] er upload.dogfood.launchpad.net [03:12] I doubt it. [03:13] Fujitsu, i ask because i got an email back from dogfood telling me that it was accepted, so wondered if it would still build [03:14] OK, looks like it's just the web UI broken then. If one bit of Soyuz is working, the rest probably is too. === kiko is now known as kiko-afk [03:16] hmmm, something's not looking good there [03:16] cprov-ZzZ? [03:19] well without the web ui avail, do you know what the structure was to browse the contents of a ppa? [03:19] just directory listing and such [03:20] ppa.dogfood.launchpad.net/yourusername [03:21] ah easy nough, thx Fujitsu === red [n=openedu@rescomp-06-102861.Stanford.EDU] has joined #launchpad === jml [n=jml@ppp108-61.static.internode.on.net] has joined #launchpad [04:00] Gooooooooooooooooood afternoon Launchpadders! === manchicken_ [n=manchkn@74-134-231-37.dhcp.insightbb.com] has joined #launchpad [04:13] Does lauchpad have a place where I can put documentation about my project? [04:22] manchicken_, depends what kind of "documentation" [04:22] (that's quite a vague term!) [04:23] You can have informational specifications about the development process etc [04:23] To do that, register a blueprint, and change its "Implementation status" to "Informational" [04:23] (The specification itself isn't kept in Launchpad, though, but it will be eventually) [04:24] mpt: Like, a wiki, etc. [04:24] I've registered my own little project. [04:24] I'm wondering if I'm gonna have to deal with my own wiki. [04:24] manchicken_, a wiki is just a CMS, that doesn't tell me what sort of documentation it is :-) [04:24] Alternatively, if you mean help pages, you can register answers to common questions in the Answers app [04:24] For kubuntu stuff I do I just use the ubuntu wiki... [04:24] mpt: Library documentation. [04:24] Library documentation? [04:25] As in, how programmers can use a particular library? [04:25] Yeah. Documenting an AJAX perl library I put up. [04:25] Yessir. [04:25] Well, Launchpad doesn't have its own wiki [04:26] so probably you will need to set up your own at the moment [04:28] Okie dokie. Thanks. [04:38] Fujitsu: https://dogfood.launchpad.net/ is back === mpt [n=mpt@121-72-130-73.dsl.telstraclear.net] has left #launchpad ["http://mpt.net.nz/"] [04:44] cprov-ZzZ: Doesn't really affect me, but thanks! === cprov-ZzZ is sick and goes back to bed (see you, hopefully, tomorrow) === logan-koester is now known as logankoester === kiko-afk is now known as kiko-zzz === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #launchpad === c00i90wn [n=cooldown@pepperz.de] has joined #launchpad [05:24] Hi, one little question, how do I disable the code tab for my project? [05:25] c00i90wn: You can't, at this time. [05:26] Fujitsu: Oh I thought it was possible already since ubuntu, bazaar, etc. have their code tab disabled :) [05:27] c00i90wn: bazaar doesn't, and Ubuntu is a distribution so doesn't have Code support at this time. [05:27] Fujitsu: well, that's actually what I want :) I won't be using launchpad bzr, I prefer darcs :) [05:28] Well, as far as I know there is no facility to disable it. [05:28] Fujitsu: allright :) thanks :) [05:29] and is there any plan to introduce other revision systems? [05:35] c00i90wn: I don't think so, but I'm not a dev or anything. [05:38] Fujitsu: ok, thanks again :) [05:38] np === jml [n=jml@ppp121-44-218-164.lns1.hba1.internode.on.net] has joined #launchpad === stub [n=stub@ppp-58.8.2.63.revip2.asianet.co.th] has joined #launchpad === mpt [n=mpt@121-72-130-73.dsl.telstraclear.net] has joined #launchpad === superm1 [n=malimonc@ubuntu/member/superm1] has joined #launchpad [06:09] Well I appear to have spoken soon to be thinking ppa was fully functional still other than the GUI on dogfood [06:09] it accepts/rejects source packages, but nothing has built in the last 6 hours [06:09] superm1: cprov said it's OK now, but perhaps the buildd queuer hasn't been turned back on. [06:12] Fujitsu, does something special need to be added to the source package to allow universe packages in the builds? [06:12] like a section: universe? [06:13] If it build-depends on !main, it needs to be in that section. [06:13] what if it build depends on both universe and multiverse? [06:13] should it be in section: multiverse then? [06:13] section: multiverse then [06:13] adding this to packages, will it break uploads to the normal archive? [06:14] the idea is that all of ubuntu main can be built out of only packages in main, universe only with packages in main and universe, etc [06:14] right. [06:15] i've had uploads that didn't have this specified put into the archive, so i'm assuming that the archive admins would just place it in the appropriate location [06:15] if you package depends on stuff in multiverse, then it probably belongs there too [06:15] in the archive it is already in multiverse indeed [06:18] It doesn't matter for normal packages, because it's all controlled by overrides. Only in PPAs does the section need to be manually specified. [06:19] will it hurt in normal packages to put this there? [06:19] Also if the section was say "Section: graphics", it should be "Section: multiverse/graphics" then instead [06:21] I don't know of any packages in the Ubuntu archive that have the component specified in the source, but it shouldn't hurt anything. [06:21] well i'd ideally like to be able to test the same debdiff in ppa prior to putting it into the archive [06:22] so it would make more sense at least for me to be able to do it this way [06:22] In an ideal world, PPA would have overrides, but I've no idea if that's planned. [06:22] on ppa do the binaries need the same Section: multiverse/blah added, or is that then implied [06:22] by the source being in multiverse [06:22] I think it's implied. [06:23] But I don't know how it has been implemented. [06:23] well i'll experiment then [06:23] is that the correct way to list it though with "Section: multiverse/blah"? 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[03:59] tumbleweed: i don't think so [04:00] tumbleweed: Why not subscribe in the upstream bug tracker? [04:00] Odd_Bloke: it means creating accounts - I thought that's why launchpad *had* remote bug tracking... === statik [n=emurphy@189.66.188.72.cfl.res.rr.com] has joined #launchpad === tumbleweed goes the via-ubuntu-bug route... [04:01] tumbleweed: Fair enough. I think the upstream bug tracking is also there so that distributions can keep track of which bugs are in packages and which are upstream... [04:02] Odd_Bloke: of course, but why not be more general? === tumbleweed files a launchpad bug, too [04:05] hmm, duh, remote bug tracking doesn't seem to do what I'm atfer, anyway :-( === tumbleweed [n=stefanor@dsl-240-98-01.telkomadsl.co.za] has left #launchpad ["oh] === kiko-zzz is now known as kiko === ddaa [n=david@canonical/launchpad/ddaa] has joined #launchpad === statik [n=emurphy@189.66.188.72.cfl.res.rr.com] has joined #launchpad === Rinchen [n=joey@canonical/launchpad/rinchen] has joined #launchpad === fernando1 [i=ariel@gateway/tor/x-60fe45e2a466ad8c] has joined #launchpad === mvo [n=egon@p54A658C3.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #launchpad [04:35] is there a way to see OOPS-583D1520 and what causes it? I get this when I test the libapt apport package error launchpad uploading [04:35] https://devpad.canonical.com/~jamesh/oops.cgi/583D1520 [04:40] no luck when I tried it a second time, this time OOPS-583C1609 [04:40] https://devpad.canonical.com/~jamesh/oops.cgi/583C1609 === mvo wonders why oops.cgi tells me that it can not find that oops [04:41] mvo, it takes some time (10 min, IIRC) for the oops logs to be synced to devpad [04:41] that may be the reason... usually we just have to wait a bit [04:42] aha, ok === mvo waits === sabdfl [n=sabdfl@ubuntu/member/pdpc.silver.sabdfl] has joined #launchpad === mvo thinks the oops was triggered by a older apport, it seems to be gone with the latest version === mthaddon [n=mthaddon@canonical/launchpad/mthaddon] has joined #launchpad === never|mobi [n=neversfe@82.113.121.1] has joined #launchpad === pcardune [n=pcardune@clerc-center-wlan-163-90.gallaudet.edu] has joined #launchpad === lamont` [n=lamont@mix.mmjgroup.com] has joined #launchpad === mtaylor [n=mtaylor@dsl231-061-195.sea1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #launchpad === gmb is now known as gmb-afk [05:25] New bug: #130672 in soyuz "germinate output for Gobuntu" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/130672 === cprov is now known as cprov-lunch === stub [n=stub@ppp-58.8.2.63.revip2.asianet.co.th] has joined #launchpad === mvo [n=egon@p54A647F8.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #launchpad === cypherbios [n=cypher@ubuntu/member/cypherbios] has joined #launchpad === radix [n=radix@70.91.133.157] has joined #launchpad === beuno [n=martin@ubuntu/member/beuno] has joined #launchpad === gmb [n=gmb@i-83-67-5-113.freedom2surf.net] has joined #launchpad === matsubara is now known as matsubara-lunch === Watersevenub [n=Watersev@242-115.dial.nortenet.pt] has joined #launchpad === caravena [n=caravena@pc-84-203-83-200.cm.vtr.net] has joined #launchpad === fernando1 [i=ariel@gateway/tor/x-bd23a3ba71b9ed6d] has joined #launchpad [06:15] does my - don't blog about it agreement mean I can't post links to my PPA until it's prod? [06:16] and another PPA question... is there a "good" way to push packages for more than one release other than making a source package for each one? [06:17] like, if I had a package that should build from source properly on feisty and gutsy with no packaging changes, do I still have to make two branches and push two source packages? === zzorn [n=zz@212.16.103.33] has joined #launchpad === radhios [n=radhios@96-208-126-200.fibertel.com.ar] has joined #launchpad === cprov [n=cprov@canonical/launchpad/cprov] has joined #launchpad [06:44] mtaylor: everything will get nuked before we move to production, iirc [06:45] and yes, i agree, it should be possible to target multiple series with a single upload === sabdfl [n=sabdfl@ubuntu/member/pdpc.silver.sabdfl] has left #launchpad [] === tokj [n=me@unaffiliated/tokj] has joined #launchpad === cprov is now known as cprov-out === radhios [n=radhios@96-208-126-200.fibertel.com.ar] has joined #launchpad === radhios [n=radhios@96-208-126-200.fibertel.com.ar] has joined #launchpad === kiko is now known as kiko-afk === faidillinger [n=faidilli@abo-124-240-68.guy.modulonet.fr] has joined #launchpad === logankoester [i=logankoe@253.sub-70-194-109.myvzw.com] has joined #launchpad === matsubara-lunch is now known as matsubara === salgado is now known as salgado-afk === gmb -> food === Bilbek [n=bilbo@dhcp47.dante.org.uk] has joined #launchpad === jinty [n=jinty@vc-196-207-32-232.3g.vodacom.co.za] has joined #launchpad === superm1 [i=malimonc@ubuntu/member/superm1] has joined #launchpad [07:31] cprov-out, is there a way for PPA to include binaries of uploaded (and built) packages as possibilities for resolving build dependencies? [07:31] in future uploads/builds === jjesse [n=jonathan@64.186.55.234] has joined #launchpad === jcs [n=jcspray@dot1x-016.net.ed.ac.uk] has joined #launchpad === moaiamorfo [n=Antonio@host217-93-dynamic.17-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #launchpad [08:07] hi all [08:08] I have a question: can I use Launchpad to translate a programming language manual? === matsubara [n=matsubar@canonical/launchpad/matsubara] has joined #launchpad [08:11] no answers? [08:14] moaiamorfo: in what sense do you mean "can" ? [08:15] i don't think launchpad translations is set up to translate a book === daq4th [n=darkness@netstation-005.cafe.zSeries.org] has joined #launchpad [08:15] mwhudson: I mean, I want to open a project under Launchpad to translate the Python reference from English to Italian [08:16] otoh, if you mean something like "can i use launchpad to host a bazaar branches containing the docbook source for the book" then, sure, so long as it's all open source [08:16] hm [08:16] well, you can do that, but why not just do it in a branch associated with python? [08:17] in what sense "with Python"? [08:19] 'bzr push sftp://bazaar.launchpad.net/~/python/italian-reference [08:21] what the bazaar is? [08:22] the source control system that works with launchpad [08:22] let me back up [08:23] i'm not sure what you want to achieve, here [08:25] New bug: #130706 in launchpad "Cannot Cancel Pending Membership Request" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/130706 === shawn__ [n=shawn@032-324-162.area1.spcsdns.net] has joined #launchpad === kiko-afk is now known as kiko === PriceChild [n=pricechi@ubuntu/member/pdpc.supporter.student.PriceChild] has joined #launchpad === statik [n=emurphy@189.66.188.72.cfl.res.rr.com] has joined #launchpad === Spads [n=spacehob@unaffiliated/spads] has joined #launchpad === jjesse [n=jonathan@64.186.55.234] has joined #launchpad [08:58] moaiamorfo: is the python doc in pofile format? [08:59] mwhudson: uhm [08:59] kiko: I don't know === mvo_ [n=egon@p54A65BE0.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #launchpad [09:06] I just want a collaborative way to start the translation [09:07] moaiamorfo, if the doc were in pofile format it'd be fine to use rosetta. but I don't think it is, which means you'll need to manage it using another tool [09:07] mwhudson suggested using the bazaar revision control system [09:08] kiko: this one? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bazaar_%28software%29 [09:10] is it like Subversion? 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[10:31] morning mpt [10:32] Good morning mpt. === poolie [n=mbp@ppp112-44.static.internode.on.net] has joined #launchpad === LaserJock [n=mantha@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has joined #launchpad [10:49] matsubara: around? [10:50] LaserJock: Hi Jordan [10:56] matsubara: I'm not entirely sure what you're looking for in bug #130051 [10:56] Launchpad bug 130051 in malone "+text doesn't work for full bug URL" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/130051 [10:56] matsubara: when I went to the bug I expected to be able to use +text === jhancock_ [n=jhancock@134.231.220.86] has joined #launchpad [10:56] I was trying to push directly to launchpad using bzr and I got this error. [10:56] http://pastebin.com/d4e2e990e [10:56] and I followed this short and easy tutorial to set it up [10:56] https://svn.schooltool.org/trac/cando/wiki/LaunchpadTutorial [10:57] I might be doing something wrong [10:57] or the tutorial might do something wrong [10:57] I don't know [11:00] Can anyone help me? [11:00] LaserJock: I just think the former URL in the report are more useful than the latter. the +text version of the bugtask url would show only the status of the given bugtask. [11:00] matsubara: but in the web UI you are sent to the later [11:00] matsubara: so you *have* to use bug.launchpad/bugs/#/+text [11:00] which I can't find documented anywhere, btw [11:05] LaserJock: that "feature" wasn't supposed to last. [11:05] matsubara: I guess, but kiko keeps telling me it's the way to go ;-) [11:07] matsubara, and my question is always, why not? [11:08] because we're supposed to have a nice xmlrpc interface instead of relying on parsing the +text page? [11:15] matsubara, what would the xmlrpc interface return to you, in that case? [11:15] LaserJock: anyway, do you think the ubuntu/+source/gnome-session/+bug/26419/+text should display the same info as the bugs/26419/+text? [11:15] kiko: anything that you would like to query about the bug or bugtask. [11:15] I think they can be the same, but I also think that more information could be added to that. [11:15] if you're asking me :) [11:15] matsubara, and in what format would it be returned? [11:15] morning [11:15] kiko: probably a nice xml === gmb [n=gmb@i-83-67-5-113.freedom2surf.net] has joined #launchpad === Lumiere [n=misato@e2.b2.344a.static.theplanet.com] has joined #launchpad [11:15] morning thumperoo [11:15] matsubara, see, this is where this argument falls down. where is xml better than rfc-822? [11:15] where is xml even "nice"? [11:15] I find it harder to read [11:15] and it's harder to parse (you can no longer use cut-n-grep) [11:15] hi kiko [11:16] maybe you're right. [11:17] I just thought we'd not improve the +text page anymore... [11:17] well [11:17] if you're using xml for queries then it makes sense I suppose [11:18] xmlrpc is not xml, though [11:18] there is nothing xml-ish that the programmer needs to deal with [11:19] in a way xmlrpc is poorly named because it underlines the format, and not the service [11:19] I thought you still used xml to do queries, but admittedly I know close to nothing about xmlrpc [11:19] no [11:20] these +text pages are nice for data mining LP [11:20] but I'd like to see a doc on what pages have +text pages [11:22] LaserJock, matsubara: http://docs.python.org/lib/xmlrpc-client-example.html [11:22] >>> server = ServerProxy("http://betty.userland.com") [11:22] xml-rpc & python can be done nicely [11:22] afaik it's been on the todo list for launchpad for awhile [11:22] LaserJock: there're only 2 pages with +text versions: +bug/XXX/+text and project/+bugs-text [11:23] isn't there also a text for search results? [11:23] dang it, my memory sucks [11:24] ajmitch: is there anything we gain with xml-rpc over plain text pages? [11:24] I believe it's the +bugs-text one, which returns all bugs for the given project/source package. [11:24] oh right, sorry, doh [11:24] LaserJock: that xml-rpc is meant to be used for callign remote procedures === zwnj [n=behnam@213.207.210.231] has joined #launchpad [11:25] so not much [11:25] If we have a good email+plain text interface do we need xml-rpc? [11:25] it does mean you wouldn't have to build query strings up yourself for searches [11:27] the ServerProxy that kiko was talking about earlier means that you can treat things as a normal python object in your code & get results from methods [11:27] >>> print server.examples.getStateName(41) === poolie [n=mbp@ppp112-44.static.internode.on.net] has joined #launchpad === _mholthaus [n=mholthau@pub082136122211.dh-hfc.datazug.ch] has joined #launchpad [11:43] South Dakota [11:43] no xml! :) [11:43] right [11:43] bugs-text actually does query IIRC [11:43] ok, now I understand matsubara's question better [11:43] bug 26419 can be either https://bugs.launchpad.net/gnome-session/+bug/26419 or https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-session/+bug/26419 [11:43] Launchpad bug 26419 in gnome-session "gnome-session hangs when "lo" is not correctly configured" [Medium,Triaged] - Assigned to Sebastien Bacher (seb128) [11:43] Launchpad bug 26419 in gnome-session "gnome-session hangs when "lo" is not correctly configured" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/26419 - Assigned to Sebastien Bacher (seb128) [11:43] so the question would be what data would +text have for the individual tasks [11:43] well, that's confusing [11:43] right [11:43] I was just saying that +bugs-text right now accepts GET parameters [11:43] I'm not arguing against an RPC interface! [11:43] but how the heck do you guys decide where launchpad.net/bugs/# goes? [11:43] that was my problem [11:45] the redirect? I think it goes to the first task [11:45] right [11:45] so in a practical sense [11:46] I go to the bug in my browser and expect to be able to put +text on the end [11:46] but instead I need to make a new URL [11:46] LaserJock: sorry if I wasn't clear. [11:47] the content should be identical [11:47] well, I'm just having an idiot day I guess. I didn't realize there was a URL for *each* task [11:47] I thought it was all one report/URL [11:48] now I get what you mean by "context bugtask" [11:50] you guys don't happen to have a glossary do you? ;-) === ajmitch thought that the bugtask language was deprecated :) [12:09] heh [12:09] ajmitch, I am in favor of "bugtask" 100% but I'm just a voice in the crows it seems [12:14] kiko: took me awhile to understand bugtasks but I'm certainly not opposed to calling them that :) [12:14] ajmitch, the problem is if you /don't/ call them bugtasks, what do you call them? :) === logankoester [n=Logan@c-24-34-219-54.hsd1.nh.comcast.net] has joined #launchpad [12:14] 'bug entrails' === jjesse [n=jonathan@adsl-76-212-62-2.dsl.klmzmi.sbcglobal.net] has joined #launchpad