[12:11] <NETWizz> At least Group Policy is defined already
[12:11] <NETWizz> I don't know if Seamless RDP will work
[12:11] <NETWizz> I think fast user switching must be on
[12:12] <mattwalston> I know it will prompt for credentials
[12:12] <mattwalston> I am booting a vm to check
[12:13] <mattwalston> NETWizz: it was not an issue for this client since he was just running qbes7 and all users have to have full control of company file to use it (horrible!) and the software handles its own login
[12:13] <NETWizz> yuckey
[12:14] <NETWizz> Well I am off to the gym
[12:15] <NETWizz> Thanks for the help
[12:15] <mattwalston> NETWizz: just tested, fast user switching is not needed, if you remove l/p info and execute, a full screen rdp to do interactive login starts, afterwards it works
[12:15] <NETWizz> l/p?
[12:15] <NETWizz> login password
[12:15] <NETWizz> Okay thanks a lot
[12:15] <NETWizz> I appreciate you helping me
[12:16] <NETWizz> Talk to you later; I hope
[12:16] <mralphabet> maccam912: is this a machine hosted at your house?
[12:16] <maccam912> yeah
[12:17] <mralphabet> maccam912: Your ISP most likely has port 80 blocked on their side
[12:17] <maccam912> that is what I thought, but I have contacted them several times (them being Charter) and they have replied on all occasions that they are not blocking anything, and that any problems are my own fault
[12:18] <mralphabet> maccam912: Charter blocks 80, their techs don't know their ass from a hole in the ground
[12:18] <maccam912> I s'pose not.
[12:18] <maccam912> how would I go about getting them to unblock it for me
[12:19] <mralphabet> maccam912: they won't, you don't pay them enough for a residential account for you to host services at your house . .. pay them more money to go to a business / static ip account and they may unblock it
[12:19] <maccam912> or would there be a better ISP that doesn't block it?
[12:19] <maccam912> lol ok thanks
[12:20] <mralphabet> maccam912: most ISP's block inbound connections to port 80, doesn't matter who you go through
[12:20] <mralphabet> maccam912: you will need to do your own research in your area.
[12:22] <maccam912> right now I'm using dyndns.org to give people so they don't have to remember an IP address, but is there somewhere that will automatically forward traffic to port 80 to port 2010 before sending it to me and then take that and send it back to port 80 for the user?
[12:22] <maccam912> or is there no way of getting around the dyndns.org:2010
[12:24] <ScottK> They only block it, as a rule, for account that running a web server violates their terms of service.
[12:25] <maccam912> lol then I guess they really have no clue at charter, because I have also asked multiple times whether hosting my own personal website went against any rules and they all responded that I was in the clear
[12:28] <maccam912> well thanks for your help
[12:28] <maccam912> I'll probably talk to charter, see who is lying to me. Sounds like something fun to do on a sunday eh?
[01:05] <jbrouhard> Hey all
[01:05] <jbrouhard> Anyone ever have a problem installing debian or ubuntu on a Dell PowerEdge 6450 ?
[01:11] <dthacker> what kind of problem?
[01:12] <jbrouhard> Keeps saying unable to copy from CD-ROM
[01:12] <jbrouhard> Both the CDROM and CD are known-working
[01:13] <dthacker> yes......but.  I just went through this.  I'd try and replace the CD-ROM, if it's not too much trouble. 
[01:13] <jbrouhard> Tried that already 
[01:13] <dthacker> I had one that would read intermittently
[01:14] <dthacker> Are you able to verify media from the opening menu?
[01:14] <jbrouhard> actually haven't tried that
[01:14] <dthacker> I'd give that a try.  I'd also try to re-burn the media at a lower speed or on a different burner.
[01:14] <jbrouhard> still doesn't explain why WIndows 2003 Enterprise loads fine
[01:15] <dthacker> hehe. hate when that happens.  
[01:16] <jbrouhard> i have a $225, 200 pound paperweight as far as my business is concerned ;(
[01:16] <jbrouhard> whioch bloody sucks
[01:17] <jbrouhard> meh
[01:17] <jbrouhard> screw this
[01:17] <jbrouhard> gonna blow the drives away, re-set the SCSI BIOS
[01:17] <jbrouhard> and.. uh..
[01:17] <jbrouhard> take some of the memory out of it
[01:18] <jbrouhard> Probably end up e-baying the machine
[01:19] <dthacker> It's probably worth a few tries with different media that you've run verification on
[01:20] <jbrouhard> i've done every CD i have here, dthacker
[01:20] <jbrouhard> all are known good in other systems
[01:20] <jbrouhard> just not the PowerEdge, and I've tried other CD-ROMS in there
[01:21] <dthacker> very strange.  I'm afraid I don't have any good advice then. 
[01:23] <jbrouhard> dthacker: if I had a converter for the CDROM drive i'd be all over it
[01:23] <jbrouhard> but the bloody thing has a slimline CD-ROM drive
[01:23] <dthacker> argh. 
[01:30] <jbrouhard> *burns ubuntu-server ISO and will run verification on laptop
[01:44] <jbrouhard> dthacker: what did you do to get your PowerEdge to work ?
[01:45] <dthacker> jbrouhard: I had an older tower with a full height CDROM.  I swapped it out with a newer CDROM.
[01:45] <jbrouhard> Ah
[01:45] <jbrouhard> Trade ya?  LOL
[01:46] <jbrouhard> Okay
[01:46] <jbrouhard> ubuntu-server CDROM valid
[01:46] <dthacker> I do sympathize, because I think those slimlines are very prone to trouble
[01:46] <jbrouhard> lets see if it'll work
[01:51] <jbrouhard> okay
[01:51] <jbrouhard> dthacker: Ubuntu6.06 CD known good (just ran a check on it)
[01:51] <jbrouhard> now trying it i nthe PowerEdge
[01:51] <jbrouhard> will run a CD check too
[01:51] <jbrouhard> it's possible this thing just hates me 
[02:10] <PanzerMKZ> switch out the slimline with another
[02:15] <jbrouhard> did that last night
[02:15] <jbrouhard> same problem
[02:22] <PanzerMKZ> please tell what kind of dell server this is?
[02:24] <jbrouhard> Dell PowerEdge 6450
[02:24] <jbrouhard> Quad Xeon 900Mhz, 2x 9GB SCSI drives
[02:24] <jbrouhard> 2GB RAM 
[02:24] <PanzerMKZ> well darn it I was afraid you where going to say something like that
[02:25] <PanzerMKZ> let me guess ubuntu server starts loading but then gives error message that it can't find the cdrom
[02:25] <PanzerMKZ> and when you tried other linux distro's then you got the same thing
[02:25] <jbrouhard> yup
[02:25] <jbrouhard> Windows works fine
[02:26] <PanzerMKZ> I have two of those. both dual 700's.
[02:26] <jbrouhard> ok
[02:26] <jbrouhard> ever get them working ?
[02:26] <PanzerMKZ> but like you I could not get ubuntu installed native.
[02:26] <PanzerMKZ> the boss loaded up Xen (or Zen) and then installed ubuntu in virt server
[02:27] <PanzerMKZ> sorry I could not help more
[02:29] <jbrouhard> oh, well
[02:29] <PanzerMKZ> I do have one offline that we could test with.
[02:29] <PanzerMKZ> got to find a drive cage for it
[02:29] <jbrouhard> hmm
[02:29] <jbrouhard> what about...
[02:29] <jbrouhard> net boot ?
[02:29] <jbrouhard> off a floppy disk ?
[02:30] <jbrouhard> that';s about the only thing i've not tried yet
[02:30] <PanzerMKZ> might work. I was going to try something like that off serial port for one of the dell powervaults that I have
[02:32] <PanzerMKZ> so if I might ask though what are you going to be doing with this quad?
[02:37] <jbrouhard> PanzerMKZ: Seriously considering selling it
[02:37] <jbrouhard> It's no use to my company right now, and I need a solution like last week <G>
[02:37] <jbrouhard> This was supposed to be it, so I'm a week and half behind in getting things taken care of
[02:40] <PanzerMKZ> yea. I did not put a second in the rack cause of this very reason. I got a couple of older compaq DL360's
[02:40] <PanzerMKZ> but even that had an issue as I wanted to install ubuntu
[02:41] <PanzerMKZ> and the stock server cd does not play well with the raid controller in the DL360
[02:41] <jbrouhard> *nods*
[02:41] <jbrouhard> I'm not sure what i'm gonna do here to be honest
[02:42] <jbrouhard> if i ebay it, i stand to recoup my lost PLUS be able to get the parts i need for the correct server
[02:42] <jbrouhard> otherwise, I'm gonna be hurting for months
[02:43] <PanzerMKZ> hmm. what spec of server are you looking for? I have another dual 1gig DL360
[02:47] <PanzerMKZ> and I have iso to make ubuntu server 7,04 work great on them
[02:48] <jbrouhard> hmm
[02:48] <jbrouhard> Dual processor, 1GB RAM or better
[02:49] <PanzerMKZ> oh two gig then would be enough?
[02:49] <PanzerMKZ> or just 1gig?
[02:50] <PanzerMKZ> pm then?
[02:50] <jbrouhard> something that can hopefully handle SATA drives
[02:50] <jbrouhard> sure
[02:50] <jbrouhard> PM me please
[02:50] <PanzerMKZ> well nm then
[02:51] <PanzerMKZ> what I got won't handle sata. scsi only
[02:51] <jbrouhard> SATA is not mandatory ,but prefered.  if SCSI is available
[02:51] <jbrouhard> hmm.. how many drives ?
[02:51] <PanzerMKZ> 2
[02:51] <jbrouhard> 2?  Size ?
[02:51] <PanzerMKZ> well I have 18gigs
[02:51] <jbrouhard> Lets go private
[08:15] <cyclops> hi all
[08:15] <cyclops> I have just configured my dns but I now realise I have to pay for domain name(s) registration.
[08:16] <cyclops> Is there no way for me to setup my domain manually without having to pay a registrar or is there a free domain registrar out there
[08:17] <poningru> yes there is
[08:17] <poningru> dynamic domain registrations
[08:17] <poningru> but you wont get something.tld
[08:17] <poningru> it would be something like something.ath.cx
[08:17] <jbrouhard> anyone here ever use plesk before ?
[08:17] <poningru> or something like that
[08:17] <poningru> cyclops: 
[08:17] <poningru> cyclops: search around for dyndns
[08:19] <cyclops> poningru: I have a static IP, do I have to use dynamic dns
[08:19] <poningru> I know
[08:20] <poningru> well if you dont want to pay 10USD per year
[08:20] <cyclops> ok
[08:20] <poningru> unless you are a business it doesnt matter really
[08:24] <cyclops> I am not though I just want to be able to host my own web services and mail server
[08:25] <cyclops> But I found out that after configuring bind, I cant still get answer when I query for the domain
[08:27] <poningru> yeah you have to register
[08:28] <cyclops> this dydns stuff, do I have to pay as well
[08:28] <cyclops> I cant get their site to open
[08:42] <poningru> hmm?
[08:42] <poningru> why are you running bind?
[08:43] <poningru> which dyndns?
[09:22] <AnRkey> hi all
[09:22] <AnRkey> can anyone suggest a sata raid card that is detected automatically by ubuntu?
[10:58] <pschulz01> Anyone here using egroupware?
[10:59] <juliux> pschulz01, i tried egroupware
[10:59] <pschulz01> juliux: How about cacti?
[10:59] <juliux> i didn't test it a longtime because it was not working with evolution
[11:00] <pschulz01> I'm seeing some 'interferance' between these two packages...
[11:00] <pschulz01> egroupware stomps on something that cacti uses.
[11:00] <pschulz01> It's wierd.
[11:01] <juliux> did you allready asked in the egroupware forum and mailinglist?
[11:02] <pschulz01> juliux: No.. not yet.. I had to remove egroupware, then 'dpkg-reconfigure cacti' (keeping the database.. then cacti worked again.
[11:02] <juliux> ok
[11:02] <pschulz01> juliux: I was just trying to evaluate egroupware.
[12:10] <Lunex> Hi, could anybody help me with the installation ? Install stops at Software 85% (i update-magager-core is the aktual package ) thx ;-)
[12:10] <Burgundavia> Lunex: have you checked your disk for errors
[12:10] <Burgundavia> ?
[12:10] <Lunex> y
[12:10] <Lunex> seems to be ok
[12:11] <Lunex> did the "check cd for defects" option in the boot menu
[12:11] <Burgundavia> right
[12:11] <Burgundavia> md5summed the iso?
[12:11] <Lunex> ot yet
[12:11] <Lunex> not yet
[12:12] <Lunex> hardware is a little bit older 800mhz pentium 256 mb ram, but should do ?
[12:12] <Burgundavia> depending on usage, yes
[12:12] <Burgundavia> my apache server runs on less than that, but it serves up nothing too intense
[12:12] <Lunex> just a nagios server -> http://wikipedia.org/wiki/Nagios
[12:13] <Lunex> any option to do a "save" install or anything like this ?
[12:13] <Lunex> the install just stops at 85% nothing to do there
[12:14] <Burgundavia> better to reinstall completely if you have an issue with the iso or disk
[12:14] <Lunex> just downloaded and made a cd of it, allowed the installer to use whole disk
[12:15] <Lunex> i dont think its an cd oder drive issue , whats your opinion
[12:15] <Burgundavia> it might be a cd drive issue, given the age of the hardware
[12:15] <Lunex> or do you know any ressources handling ubuntu-server install problems ?
[12:15] <Burgundavia> but much more likely it is a bad burn
[12:16] <Lunex> hmm ok i'll try another drive
[12:16] <Lunex> but if cd check says its ok ?
[12:17] <Lunex> hmm i will try another drive first, thx
[12:24] <Lunex> i think i will make partitions manual, any recommendations ?
[12:24] <Lunex> 20gb available
[01:35] <Burn> hello, does somebody know when php5.2 comes in the dapper-server repo?
[02:11] <infinity> Burn: It's in feisty and gutsy.  We don't update software versions in stable releases, so it'll never be on daper, if that's what you're asking.
[02:11] <infinity> s/daper/dapper/
[02:12] <infinity> Burn: We only do security updates on stable releases.  Bumping versions (especially of things like PHP) breaks too many people's existing code/setups/whatever.
[02:12] <infinity> (That's sort of the point of a stable release... Something you know you don't have to keep changing your code to work with)
[02:17] <ScottK> There are backports.
[02:17] <ScottK> But there would have to be testing done to show it didn't breaks stuff
[02:17] <spike> hi
[02:18] <ScottK> And backports is a community effort, so there'd have to be a community interest.
[02:18] <ScottK> Hi
[02:18] <spike> is anybody using partman with expert recipe and managed to get it setting up multiple disks with a mix of regular and LVM partitions?
[02:18] <spike> using preseeding
[02:19] <spike> neither the example-preseed, nor the debian-installed docs mention a second disk
[02:19] <spike> and the expert_recipe itself is all about partitions only, so I wouldnt even know where to start to tell it to create a PV spanning sda and sdb
[02:20] <ScottK> Dunno about anybody, but not me.
[02:29] <Lunex> Hi, could anybody help me with the installation ? Install stops at Software 85% (i update-magager-core is the aktual package ) thx ;-)
[02:30] <Burn> infinity: hm, yes, so what should I do when some customers need it?
[02:30] <Lunex> system seems to freeze, just displaying "installed update-manager-core" and 85% overall
[02:41] <infinity> Burn: I've never met anyone who needs a newer version of PHP, only one who wants it.  But if that's a service you're providing, I don't imagine it's my responsibility to provide it for you (sorry to sound so hard, but that's the reality of it)
[02:42] <infinity> Burn: I focus on putting out solid, stable releases.  If you need ever-changing software, run newer versions of Ubuntu, or backport packages to dapper, I guess.
[02:45] <Burn> infinity: no, of course it isn't your responsability
[02:45] <Burn> I'm just want to find a good solution with Ubuntu dapper
[02:46] <Burn> php is the only thing that needs the upgrade
[03:17] <mattwalston> Anyone have suggestions for troubleshooting slow to establish ssh connection issue?  I tried the config change on the client, disabled mDNS but still not working.
[03:18] <nealmcb> mattwalston: pastebin the -v output of ssh, and note where it is slow
[03:21] <mattwalston> nealmcb: pastebin for ssh http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/32766/
[03:24] <mattwalston> nealmcb: thanks for the help, but found the problem... dns issue
[03:24] <nealmcb> mattwalston: it is doing a lot of work with your various keys (both rsa and dsa?) but you don't seem to be using them - doing passwd instead?
[03:25] <mattwalston> nealmcb: for now, i have not setup keys
[03:25] <nealmcb> ahh - good.  Tell us more, and lets make those bug descriptions better
[03:27] <mattwalston> the default install creats a hostfile containing loopback to hostname only, i just set the ip to the fqdn for each machine and then it was fixed, also did the client config file change and disabled mdns, i will reenable both to see what was needed
[03:27] <mattwalston> config file change was not needed
[03:29] <mattwalston> neither was killing mdns
[03:29] <nealmcb> mattwalston: thanks.  so what was the exact /etc/hosts change?
[03:30] <nealmcb> and on which machine?
[03:30] <mattwalston> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/32769/
[03:30] <mattwalston> nealmcb: all of them, i assume, i could have just added a records to dns but...
[03:31] <nealmcb> so that is a hosts file you use on all three machines?
[03:31] <mattwalston> nealmcb: correct
[03:32] <mattwalston> nealmcb: fyi, it is a test for our new systems, to headless machines running vmware server and an application server with ltsp clients hooked in
[03:33] <nealmcb> mattwalston: if you can add that fix to one or the other bug for ssh slowness, it would be great
[03:33] <mattwalston> nealmcb: sure
[03:33] <nealmcb> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openssh/+bug/84899
[03:33] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 84899 in openssh "SSH with GSSAPIAuthentication option on SSH servers are very slow" [Medium,Incomplete]  
[03:38] <mattwalston> nealmcb: i updated the bug
[03:38] <mattwalston> nealmcb: is launchpad'
[03:39] <mattwalston> nealmcb: is launchpad's backend gnu gpl?
[03:41] <nealmcb> mattwalston: not yet.  they're working on open-sourcing it, but they also don't want to see yet more proliferation of different launchpad-like things, which I quite understand
[03:41] <nealmcb> but I think it would be more useful if others could contribute to the code base
[03:42] <ScottK> More people would be willing to use it for their projects too.
[03:42] <mattwalston> nealmcb: i can understand... i am trying to find a good trouble ticketing system to modify into a helpdesk type system
[03:42] <nealmcb> ScottK: yeah
[03:43] <ScottK> mattwalston: Did you look at RT?
[03:43] <mattwalston> ScottK: don't think so, i googled looked at 4 or 5 and a lot were junk so i gave up
[03:44] <ScottK> I've used RT before and it works reasonably well and is GPL.
[03:44] <ScottK> It's a large Perl package, so performance is very, umm, Perl-like, but with a decent machine it does fine.
[03:45] <mattwalston> ScottK: thanks, i am looking at it now, seems pretty good
[03:46] <ScottK> It's also in the Ubuntu repositories.  Be careful though, there are multiple versioned packages, so make sure you get the one you want.
[03:50] <nealmcb> mattwalston: have you looked at trac?
[03:51] <nealmcb> http://trac.edgewall.org/
[03:57] <maswan> mattwalston: RT is what we use here at work, and it works pretty well
[03:58] <mattwalston> maswan: thanks
[05:29] <malnilion> Is anybody in here good with apache?
[05:29] <leonel> and the problem is ?
[05:30] <mralphabet> apache n me are good, we just had lunch last week
[05:30] <malnilion> I've got a web form that uses a .pl file but instead of apache running it, it tries to send it to me as a download.
[05:32] <mralphabet> malnilion: have you tried the #apache channel?
[05:32] <malnilion> Yeah, I'm trying there
[05:33] <malnilion> I'm currently getting some help, I'll be back if I don't get it working
[05:45] <nealmcb> malnilion: It is easiest for us to help if you check out the Seriously good guide to asking questions on IRC: http://www.sabi.co.uk/Notes/linuxHelpAsk.html
[05:47] <malnilion> Right, I'm sorry.
[05:47] <malnilion> I've got my issue solved.
[05:48] <nealmcb> malnilion: excellent!
[05:49] <malnilion> Mostly solved anyway :)
[06:05] <leonel> malnilion: and what was  the solution ?
[06:07] <malnilion> leonel: hard to say, but it seemed to be a combination of changing file permissions and changing my extension from .pl to .perl (though that shouldn't be a fix); if all is well, I should be able to change .perl back to .pl.  At any rate, I got a hello world perl script to run.
[06:49] <zim> hi all having problems getting sound to work on a 7.04 server install any help would be great
[06:50] <zim> is anyone alive in here
[06:51] <mattwalston> i'm alive and well, zim
[06:51] <mralphabet> zim: it's been less then 45 seconds since you asked your question, some may still be trying to figure out why a server needs sound ;)
[06:52] <zim> some of my backup scripts report fails over espeak great from crontab 
[06:52] <zim> it yells at me when things go wrong
[06:52] <mralphabet> zim: hah, that's an interesting use
[06:53] <zim> anyway espeak foobar is very quiet :(
[06:57] <mralphabet> zim: you may have better luck in #ubuntu
[06:57] <zim> there answer was apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[06:58] <zim> I think not
[07:00] <sommer> zim: what program are you using to play the files?
[07:00] <zim> dont know
[07:00] <zim> am trying to get espeak to work
[07:00] <sommer> is the module for your sound card loaded?
[07:01] <sommer> also you might try playing a regular sound file first.
[07:01] <zim> dont know how what do i do
[07:01] <sommer> at leat that make sure you have volume
[07:01] <zim> have done
[07:02] <zim> used aumix
[07:02] <sommer> if you have alsa-utils installed try:
[07:02] <sommer> aplay somefile.wav, somefile.mp3, or whatever file type.
[07:03] <sommer> you should here the file being played and stuff.
[07:03] <zim> ok
[07:03] <sommer> I mean hear...heh
[07:06] <zim> no sound ---> Playing WAVE 'a_barf.wav' : Unsigned 8 bit, Rate 8000 Hz, Mono
[07:08] <sommer> what sound card do you have?
[07:11] <zim> how do i tell
[07:11] <zim> on board
[07:11] <sommer> lspci then look for audio controller.
[07:12] <zim> 00:1f.5 Multimedia audio controller: Intel Corporation 82801DB/DBL/DBM (ICH4/ICH4-L/ICH4-M) AC'97 Audio Controller (rev 02)
[07:13] <sommer> then you'll need the ac97 modules.  Do a lsmod | grep -i ac97 and see if you get anything back.
[07:15] <zim> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/32808/
[07:16] <sommer> cool looks like you've got the drivers loaded. 
[07:17] <zim> so why no sound ?
[07:17] <sommer> not 100% sure.  You might try alsamixer and make sure nothing is muted.
[07:18] <sommer> try upping the volume on any pcm levels.
[07:21] <zim> have done no joy
[07:21] <sommer> you're speakers are good right?
[07:23] <sommer> another thing to check is: lsmod | grep snd
[07:23] <zim> go all well
[07:24] <zim> ty for you help
[07:24] <sommer> it's working?
[07:24] <zim> yup
[07:24] <nealmcb> what made it work?
[07:24] <zim> i just restarted
[07:24] <zim> somthing must have worked
[07:24] <sommer> heh...maybe the sound levels in alsamixer.
[07:25] <sommer> that usually works for me...don't usually have to reboot though.
[07:25] <zim> ty again
[07:26] <sommer> no problem.  you're welcome.
[07:47] <zim> hi all again is there a way to stop the screen turning off after x time on the server install (power manager)?
[07:49] <zim> and where can i set the screen size as i installed it on a 1280 x 1024 but have a 1024 x 768 pluged in and i cant see about 5 lines down
[08:16] <daq4th> moin
[08:16] <daq4th> sorry ;-)
[08:21] <zim> hi all
[08:22] <zim> why has vim lost its syntax colours ?
[08:27] <sommer> are you using vim or vim-tiny?
[08:30] <malnilion> Open question, if any of you were going to create a website with a contact form page which would simply email to a certain user, would you write the script yourself or use a pre-existing script?
[08:40] <infinity> I'd write it myself, because most of the pre-existing things are scary and convoluted, while doing it yourself is about 3 lines of input validation and one line of mailing.
[08:40] <infinity> But, y'know.  That's me, after having accidentally worked in the web industry for several years.
[08:42] <malnilion> infinity, if it were you, what would you use to send the message.  The sendmail program seems to be a popular choice from what I've seen.
[08:43] <infinity> Err, there's something other than sendmail? :P
[08:43] <malnilion> Okey dokey, that's the answer I wanted to hear :)
[08:43] <infinity> (By that, I mean /usr/sbin/sendmail, as provided by MTAs like Exim, Postfix, and Sendmail, not the actual "sendmail" MTA)
[08:43] <infinity> But, your language of choice probably provides an abstraction to sendmail, which you should use.
[08:44] <infinity> In perl, there's a few good modules, in PHP, it's the mail() function, etc.
[08:44] <infinity> If you're writing shell CGIs, then you can use sendmail directly, I guess, or use "mail".
[08:44] <infinity> (Does anyone other than me write shell CGIs?)
[09:03] <lamont> infinity: exec("/usr/sbin/sendmail -bs") :-)
[09:46] <PhantomSoulz> http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/rtfm.png
[09:55] <fednube> are there any tutoral on how to jail users to upload, download and delete ..... how easy is it to setup chroot via ssh ?
[09:56] <infinity> fednube: This still isn't #ubuntu.
[09:57] <infinity> fednube: You can't chroot ssh, only limit commands.  For chrooting FTP, which is probably what you want, vsftpd and proftpd are both quite good at it, and have extensive documentation.
[09:57] <fednube> hehhe i was pointed here by #ubuntu and i was pointed to #ubuntu by #ubuntu-dev
[09:58] <fednube> i read that ftp server are not secure 
[09:58] <fednube> thats why i was looking for something secure 
[10:00] <fednube> i want to run a server where my client (some untrusted ) can upload and download their files someone told me to use sftp and to chroot each user to their own home directory
[10:05] <infinity> fednube: FTP isn't inherently secure or insecure.  Standard FTP uses plain text password but, then again, so do standard POP and IMAP mail access, which doesn't bug most people...
[10:05] <infinity> fednube: vsftpd and proftpd can both do ftp-ssl, though, which ends up being just as secure as you (and your users) want it to be, really.
[10:12] <fednube> infinity -- so providing ssh login to the public would not be your first choice then?......
[10:15] <infinity> fednube: Generally not.
[10:15] <fednube> im just looking for guidance in the best dirction and the cheapest way for me to provide this service 
[10:15] <fednube> ok
[10:15] <fednube> im confused though because everyone in tutorial seems to bash FTP in favour for SFTP and ssh
[10:15] <fednube> maybe im missing a point here
[10:21] <infinity> You can do sftponly in sshd_config, but you can't easily chroot it.
[10:21] <infinity> sftp/ssh is a great solution if you want people to have shell access to your machine.
[10:21] <infinity> (or, if you want them to be able to walk the filesystem remotely)
[10:21] <infinity> If you want "stupid web users" to be able to upload to their own webspace, and nowhere else, you almost certainly want a flexible FTP daemon.
[10:21] <infinity> And if you're concerned about passwords on the wire, you want ftp-ssl.
[10:21] <fednube> ok i see see you point and it make sense... it was me who was getting things wrong
[10:21] <infinity> I don't tend to care much about password compromises on web hosts, since it's their problem, not mine, if their website gets defaced, but that's just my take.
[10:23] <fednube> infinity --- thanks for helping me out im a newbie with one goal in mind so now ill start again this time looking for ftp and ssl
[10:23] <fednube> thanks
[10:23] <coNP> maccam912: still here?
[10:23] <maccam912> yeah I don't konw what happened there
[10:23] <coNP> do you have a router?
[10:23] <infinity> fednube: I recommend proftpd, because I use it, and because the config syntax is nice (sort of apache-like), but others really like vsftpd.. (and we support both in Ubuntu)
[10:23] <maccam912> coNP: yeah, a netgear one, nothing special
[10:23] <infinity> Oh, wait.  I lie.
[10:23] <infinity> fednube: We don't support proftpd.  I lied. :)
[10:23] <coNP> maccam912: is port forwarding turned on?
[10:23] <infinity> fednube: So, even though I use it, I wouldn't recommend it for a self-confessed "noob", cause you might not get security updates. :)
[10:23] <infinity> fednube: vsftpd would be the way to go.  Should have lots of docs.
[10:23] <maccam912> coNP: yes, everything should be set up. I can get to it on port 80, from anywhere on my side of the network, but nobody outside of my network can get to it
[10:23] <maccam912> coNP: actually I also have it set up to work on port 2010, and remote people can get to it fine on that port
[10:23] <coNP> maccam912: then it seems that your router is not configured properly
[10:23] <fednube> infinity --- i using using proftp until a stupid person in fedora forum told me it was unscure for public users and that i should change for sftp, chroot and ssh . after reading all the ftp bashing i thought he was right
[10:23] <fednube> i was
[10:23] <fednube> so i guess i learnt my lesson, not beleive the hype
[10:23] <fednube> this is why im here because now i will be using ubuntu
[10:23] <infinity> maccam912: Your router might be blocking port 80 because it's the management port by default or, alternately, your ISP might filter port 80 (many do).
[10:23] <maccam912> I did contact charter (my ISP) and the man I talked to assured me multiple times that they DEFINATELY do not block traffic on any port.
[10:23] <maccam912> I explained it a few times to him, and the said, "yes, I know what you are saying. I can assure you, I am positive that, we do not block or filter any traffic for our users"
[10:23] <coNP> maccam912: but is *your* router setup to do port forwarding?
[10:23] <maccam912> coNP: yes, I think so
[10:23] <coNP> you should be at least sure :D
[10:23] <maccam912> I am forwarding traffic on port 80 to my box,
[10:23] <maccam912> the one with the server set up
[10:23] <coNP> oh I see
[10:23] <maccam912> its identical to port 2010, which does work for remote users
[10:23] <coNP> maybe try to use another port on your router
[10:23] <coNP> to test if your provider is not filtering thing indeed
[10:23] <coNP> e.g. remote port 2101 to local 80
[10:23] <maccam912> well, http://maccam912.dyndns.org:2010/ works for most people
[10:23] <infinity> Err, that's what he's done.
[10:23] <coNP> 2011 but should be the same
[10:23] <coNP> okay I tend to assume that *I* did the mistake
[10:23] <coNP> and tend to give advices in this manner as well :)
[10:23] <coNP> Oh sure. I misunderstood you.
[10:23] <maccam912> I'm sorry, I don't see what I did wrong then...
[10:23] <coNP> Sorry.
[10:23] <infinity> If the ISP is filtering, they'll only filter 25, 80, and a few others.
[10:23] <coNP> No, I am sorry.
[10:23] <infinity> And it's entirely possible the guy on the phone either lied, or assumed you were talking about outbound traffic.
[10:23] <coNP> I'll traceroute your
[10:23] <coNP> IP
[10:23] <maccam912> so you are fairly sure that they were lying when they said they weren't filtering
[10:23] <infinity> It's also possible your router sucks.
[10:23] <maccam912> 71.90.70.137
[10:23] <infinity> coNP: You can't ping him, his ICMP is filtered.
[10:23] <coNP> I can resolve IPs from DNS... but thanks anyway :)
[10:23] <infinity> coNP: And I'm not sure what good you think tracing will do. :)
[10:23] <coNP> Oh, you are right.
[10:23] <infinity> maccam912: 80 isn't explicitely filtered, it's just not open.  So, it's your router sucking.
[10:23] <maccam912> not sure how you know that but thank you
[10:23] <coNP> I guess nmap
[10:23] <coNP> but infinity can tell :)
[10:24] <maccam912> I've got a spare NETGEAR router, or can I get my netgear router up and running? (I know this isn't a router support channel, but any help is appreciated)
[10:24] <coNP> You should try that IMHO.
[10:25] <maccam912> netgear over linksys?
[10:25] <coNP> Only one of them
[10:25] <maccam912> any suggestions? or will either one do?
[10:26] <coNP> But I don't know what is your network topology, of course.
[10:26] <maccam912> well, I got cable coming to my modem, which goes to an ethernet cable to my router, which then connects to the rest of my computers
[10:28] <maccam912> I've got my linksys settings open right now. would the fact that I connect to my linksys settings thru a web browser have anything to do with disrupting traffic to my server?
[10:30] <infinity> Err, yes.
[10:30] <infinity> If you do it on port 80, it won't listen on port 80 to forward it.
[10:30] <infinity> Change your management port to something else (say, 8080), then set up the forwarding rules for 80.
[10:31] <maccam912> my only choices are http and https, so you're saying https should work?
[10:31] <infinity> You're kidding.  It doesn't let you specify an arbitrary management port?
[10:31] <infinity> What a hunk of...
[10:31] <maccam912> nope, I don't think so
[10:31] <infinity> But, yes.  Switch it to https, then.
[10:32] <mralphabet> maccam912: charter is lieing, port 80 inbound does not work
[10:32] <maccam912> I'll check again, but I don't think I had any more options
[10:32] <maccam912> I think thats what you told me yesterday
[10:32] <mralphabet> it is what I told you yesterday
[10:33] <maccam912> and you're sticking to your guns :)
[10:33] <mralphabet> Charter used to filter anything < 1024 inbound then they started to move to selective ports
[10:33] <infinity> mralphabet: They're not dropping packets to port 80.
[10:33] <maccam912> they did explicitly tell me that they are not blocking anything
[10:35] <mralphabet> infinity: I don't know what you are looking at, but 80 doesn't work
[10:36] <mralphabet> 88 works, 8080 works . . . any of the other non-standard "standard" http ports work, 80 does not
[10:36] <infinity> mralphabet: I'm looking at the fact that I get an RST on 80.  If it was filtered, I'd get no response.
[10:40] <mralphabet> infinity: we may need to agree to disagree here, I stand by my statement
[10:40] <infinity> If his router is running the management interface on 80, it won't also forward 80, it'll just block it on the external interface.
[10:40] <infinity> So, what the ISP is or isn't doing is moot at that point.
[10:41] <mralphabet> correct
[10:41] <mralphabet> What I am saying is that charter (regardless of whatever you are seeing) breaks inbound port 80 (again, regardless of management interface or not)
[10:43] <maccam912> I set it up so local management is HTTPS (not HTTP) and remote management is 8080, so there shouldn't be port 80 when managing
[10:43] <maccam912> it should all go to my server if charter isn't blocking it
[10:43] <maccam912> (unless HTTPS is using port 80?)
[10:43] <mralphabet> https uses 443
[10:43] <infinity> https should be 443.
[10:47] <maccam912> so it is charter?
[10:47] <jetole> hey folks
[10:47] <mralphabet> maccam912: yes
[10:47] <maccam912> alright. I give up trying to get them to unblock it then.
[10:47] <maccam912> guess I'm stuck with nonstandard ports
[10:48] <mralphabet> maccam912: it is blocked at a higher level then you as a home user can get to
[10:48] <maccam912> oh well, thanks everybody
[10:48] <mralphabet> anybody that you can reach on a phone will tell you it isn't blocked
[11:15] <jetole> Hey guys, I am trying to setup something for spamassassin on my mail server which relies on archive mail, archive mail is broken on feisty (https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/archivemail/+bug/112543) due to using python 2.5 instead of python 2.4, is there a way I can downgrade python appropriatly through apt/dpkg?
[11:15] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 112543 in archivemail "archivemail in fiesty does not work with python 2.5 but does work with python 2.4 (dup-of: 84039)" [Undecided,New]  
[11:15] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 84039 in archivemail "[apport]  archivemail crashed with AttributeError in add_status_headers()" [Medium,New]  
[11:15] <jetole> huh, cool bot
[11:15] <jetole> hmmm, the duplicate bug listing by the bot seems to have partially fixed my problem
[11:15] <jetole> It was listed on the page but I didn't see it
[11:15] <jetole> wow, a bot solved a problem for me
[11:19] <jetole> hmmm, f#!* that, the patch does not to seem to have solved the problem and one of the hunks failed where I couldn't find anything even close looking in the code
[11:19] <jetole> ah hell I am installing archivemail from official source