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pfeinfilling /boot can lead to mysterious problems01:44
Jester45why would you want to fill it01:44
pfeinJester45: I didn't on purpose.01:54
Jester45run df so you know whats going on with space :)01:55
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nextse7enDoes xubuntu come with a wireless network utility so I don't have to type in my ssid?02:00
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Jester45it has a utility to setup your network but i think you still have to type it in02:02
nextse7enOdd, its see's the wireless interface, both in lspci and in the network settings dialog. But when I type in the ssid, and the other info its asking for, I'm still not connected.02:03
Jester45did you press connect02:03
nextse7enI don't see a connect  button.02:03
Jester45i do not think it being  in lspci means its working02:04
nextse7enRight, but its also in Network setting dialog, it recognizes it at a wireless connection.02:04
Jester45its a check box02:05
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nextse7enAhh yes, I have enabled it, I wonder if I need to specifie dns servers for it as well.02:06
Jester45it would probly be the ip of your router02:07
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Jester45how can i look at my cpu temp?02:33
Jester45acpi way02:33
Jester45nevermind i got it02:36
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woodtechI am trying to solve sounds under xubuntu; everywhere I go I'm refered to system / preferences / sounds, but at least my install of xubuntu does not have that.  Am I missing something in my install ?03:33
RockinghorseAccessories System Settings03:35
woodtechI don't happen to have that as an entry in my menu's either ...03:36
RockinghorseReally? I do03:36
woodtechI know, I did a full install right from a freshly burnt CD ..03:37
RockinghorseIt's a kde app, may not be in ur install.03:38
Rockinghorsehave you tried alsamixer?03:38
woodtechThat runs and shows volume, etc. I can play a movie etc. What I'm after is notification sounds etc03:40
woodtechIt's like my system is totally on mute unless I play a movie03:41
woodtechif it's a kde app would you happen to know the name/path that I might just directly call it?03:46
woodtechI know in ubuntu there are sounds associated with system events,etc.03:46
RockinghorseI was just trying to find it.03:46
woodtechIs that an aspect that is not included in xubuntu?03:47
woodtechOh, great thanks03:47
woodtechI was running Vista, and just got tired of the extremely sluggish performance so I thought I'd go back to linux.03:48
woodtechFigured, xubuntu would be the best for performance03:48
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Jester45knoppix is pretty fast for being kde03:49
Jester45gentoo would probly be 2nd best with lfs be first for speed03:50
Peloevening folks,  I need a little help to make a shortcut which I can't seem to get back,    the rename applet that comes with thunar,  can someone check the launcher in the menues and tell me what the command to start it is ?03:50
Rockinghorseapplication, settings, settings manager not on ur menu, woodtech03:50
Jester45Pelo, the multipule renamer03:50
PeloJester45,  yes03:51
Jester45hold on03:51
Pelothat's the single most usefull utility I've ever encountered03:51
Jester45i dont know the command but you can get it by selecting 2 or more files and pressing rename03:52
PeloJester45,  I don'T run xubuntu,  I'm in ubuntu, it's not installed by default,  and even if I reinstall it ( which i just did ) the menu entry disapeared  and I can't seem to get it back03:53
woodtechYes, I have that and it has 'Sound' as an option but that only lists 'useful controls'03:53
Jester45look in /usr/share/applications03:53
PeloJester45,  thanks03:53
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PeloThunarBulkRename %F03:55
Pelothanks Jester4503:55
Jester45welcome03:55
Jester45i would of looked for you but i deleted mine03:55
Rockinghorse  the only thing I can think is adjust your settings from KDE and then maybe they will carry over in Xfce?03:56
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woodtechOk, thanks I'll give that a shot. Hadn't thought of switching to KDE and back.03:57
Jester45what are you trying to fix03:57
RockinghorseThat sound utility seems like it has a pc speaker option. Is it turned on?03:57
RockinghorseYou can CTRl at bkspc and log in for kde session. then do the same to come back to xfce03:58
woodtechYes, I played a sound clip/movie clip from my /home/{username}/examples folder and sound was great03:58
woodtechOk, thanks guys appreciate the pointers.03:59
RockinghorseGood luck03:59
Jester45Rockinghorse, why not just log out or restart g(k)dm03:59
woodtechBailing to give your advice a go....04:00
RockinghorseI alwasys ctr alt bksp to quit my session and then choose my window manager and log bk in.  You could run 2 sessions same time, but is memory hog.04:00
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Jester45Rockinghorse, have fun when something messes up because you instantly kill all gui programs04:11
RockinghorseJester45:  have fun when something messes u: like what might happen?04:14
RockinghorseIn that case I guess I would have to restart KDM or GDM04:15
Jester45sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart04:16
RockinghorseI always close open windows before  I do this, anyway, Jester45.  OK, thanks for the tip!04:16
Jester45its a harsh way to go down but better04:18
RockinghorseOK, I will try it sometime.04:19
RockinghorseI'm looking at themes rite now at xfce-look.org04:20
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magic_ninjais there a better mp3 to ogg converter then soundconverter, i find it quite buggy05:15
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test3rSo, has ne1 had the chance of getting one of the new Dells shipping with ubuntu???  Are they really going to do More boxes like that (per the rumor)?05:21
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RockinghorseThe ubuntu forums have a special Dell section05:24
test3roh you're kidding? That is so pimp- I'm glad to have played a (small) part in getting it all together05:26
RockinghorseWell, I didn't say *that*05:29
test3rlol?  Erm, you're right- I was the one that called it "pimp."05:30
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pfeinhow do I get the little panel applet update notifier thingy?05:50
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pfeinhow do I get the synaptic update notifier applet in the panel?06:22
Jester45thats a gnome thing06:25
Jester45i think06:25
pfeinJester45: is there anything similar?06:26
Jester45not that i know of06:26
Jester45i just use cron to upgrade06:26
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pfeinyeah, ok06:26
Jester45they all do06:26
Jester45synaptic is just a frontend to apt06:27
Jester45apt-get update updates list apt-get upgrade upgrades06:30
Jester45apt-get install packagename and apt-cache search TERM06:30
Jester45apt-get remove packagename06:30
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Jester45hi BFTD06:33
BFTDhi06:35
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test3ra portable mp3 player. with bluetooth headsets.  Does anyone else think this is ridiculous? or is it just me?08:16
Catoptromancy_depends08:17
Catoptromancy_would be cool for a few people to listen to same mp3 with headphones08:17
test3rI'll take my $$$ to Big Lots (discount store) and get a gig player (a 1/4 the storage size) for just $30 as opposed to the $500 that fancy bluetooth thing probably costs08:18
Catoptromancy_I remember hunching around my friends when we had 1 walkman and 3 headphones08:18
test3rI dont know Anyone that has bluetooth headphones08:18
Catoptromancy_ya08:18
Catoptromancy_heh08:18
Catoptromancy_but in theory it would be really cool08:18
test3rdidnt bluetooth itself possibly cause prob in your brain though? like cell phones do?08:19
test3rthe wavelength of that being right on your ear for extended times like that08:19
Jester45i dont think its a problem08:21
Jester45radio waves are allways flowing around you08:22
test3rYeah I just ran a quick search - apparently bluetooth and wifi operate on diff frequencies than cell phones of course, & those frequencies used are micro waves & they say it should be fine08:23
Jester45the only problem i would think of is some smart guy making a laptop override your music with advertisements or just a high pitched noise08:23
test3rdon't you need a transmitter capable of doing that bandwidth tho?08:23
test3rlike - i cant make my wifi card do cell phone freq - Can I ?08:23
Jester45like my phone's ring08:23
test3ror Can I?08:24
Jester45you can make bluetooth do it08:24
Jester45i got a walke-talke that picks up cell phones08:24
Jester45or maybe that was just house phones08:25
test3ryeah but that means youd have to have a hacker thatHAS a laptop that has a bluetooth sender that has proper drivers to allow him to send manual commands and script those commands08:25
test3ri know the new ones come built in08:25
Jester45a hacker WOULD hack the drivers08:25
Jester45and a hacker would probly have some handheld device08:26
test3rstill its not an ez task.  and those things certainly dont use the drivers i use for wifi08:26
Jester45it just a matter of time before he can send a signal to your headphones08:26
test3rthe hardware itself has to support the calls, too jester08:26
Jester45have you been to hackaday08:27
Jester45this 16-18 year old made a fusion reactor08:27
Jester45or fission t08:27
test3rim skeptical but it could prob be done.  No I am poor. The only place I've been on vacation in my country is Mammoth Caves which was really cool08:27
Jester45hackaday is a website :)08:28
test3rand I'm sure the 16 year old used components that would generate the responses he seekt08:28
test3rhe didnt substitute a blender for your kitchen in place of a transmitter08:29
Jester45??08:29
test3rim saying - the bluetooth card has to be able to do it, to08:29
test3rtoo.  it has to take hardware calls of crazy types & stay working08:29
test3rnot everyones cards are built like a brick-s***-house08:30
test3rit was only luck that taught me this. otherwise id prob still be trying to "look through the door instead of the window"08:31
Jester45your a very confusing person :)08:32
test3rI looked to get a job with the manuf. of my card, but they need very skilled people that can talk with it in binary & I'm not that good08:32
test3rjester> yes I am confusing sometimes, but I wasn't trying to be, just now.  =(   try to re-read it I'll look too08:33
Jester45i speak fluent binary08:33
Jester45101101100110010011100108:34
test3ryeah me too see  10010101010101110101010108:34
test3r=908:34
Jester45dont ask what it is but its there08:34
test3rpay me $100/h to do that   =D08:34
test3rheh, no seriously though, the guys that do that to the wireless cards when they make them?08:34
test3rthey setup things the card can do.  without them doing this08:35
test3rthe card cant do anything special.  So - a large part of getting a laptop to intercept fone signals is having a bluetooth board that has been programmed by *NIX nerds.08:35
test3rspeaking of praying hardware can do what you want it to do - I'm going to test our live CD on my buddies Sony VIAO laptop08:38
test3ri dunno if its sucha good idea tho- as his Down key is broke08:38
Jester45k08:38
test3rso doing any kind of menu would suck08:38
Jester45map it08:39
Jester45map down to idk... a windows key08:39
test3roh Chit! good call.  where can i do that in XP for him?? Yes ill stick it to right-side MenuSelect key08:39
Jester45once your on the live cd that is08:39
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test3ri think i used to see that option back in win98 but havent in yrs08:40
Jester45aaa the semi good o' days08:44
Jester45lots of crashes but no vista08:44
Jester45not even xp08:45
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test3rlol this guy at my work bought Vista before he even knew me, & he haets it. Says none of his old apps work, & the whole thing is horrid08:46
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Jester45i "got" a copy to try08:46
Jester45its ugly08:47
Jester45and slow08:47
Jester45country productive08:47
Jester45counter*08:47
test3rPinnacle, btw, is crap. I had to hack the program chain of its output to get the saved DVD it produced to goto the correct spot after it finished the movie08:47
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Jester45and well the opposite of what MS said it was08:47
test3rthere was no other way around it aas it was deciding the link automatically and there seems to be no internal editor for these commands I speak of08:48
Jester45i had to use it at school08:48
Jester45i just uploaded the dv to my house and used mencoder08:48
test3rVista? counter Productive?   baaaaaaaaah  lol08:48
test3reh?  after making a DVD image with Pinnacle?08:49
test3rcreating one from scratch. I dunno what else u can do with it08:49
test3rbu we are using it to make one from hrs and hrs of mini-DV footage08:49
Jester45i acted like that win the teacher was around08:49
Jester45but played flash games mostly08:49
Jester45as the video uploaded08:49
Jester45then i installed dsl to the computer when i was done08:50
Jester45great fun that was08:50
test3rWhat is Mencoder? you used that instead of Pinnacle? Does it have any transitions though? and what about overlay, chromakey, mixing, etc etc?08:51
Jester45dvd author also08:52
Jester45no i just converted it to a dvd08:52
test3roic   =(   no we needed more than that because we still had to do Post08:52
Jester45i didnt care i gave 15 dollars to the club that class was for so my grade was like 130%08:53
Jester45TSA08:53
test3rif i just had footage id prob use Nero to recode it. the DVD creator with it is quite fast08:53
Jester45they force you to join if you want to be in the easy class08:53
test3rWhat kinda school IS this? hahahahaha08:53
Jester45high school08:54
Jester45if you want in the class you have to join08:54
test3ri didnt even join the marketing club when i was in eBusiness for two semesters. the teacher would go out to the bar with me afterword & we'd talk about stuff08:54
Jester45and you want the class because its easy08:54
test3rin HS?  baaaaaaaah - my Cousin? who is blonde and a fashion sucker? she took a year worth of college classes by the time she was done with HS08:55
Jester45im a slacker08:55
test3rI was working at a print place doing Typography when I was in 10th grade08:55
test3rgetting paid to do it - and getting credit too08:55
Jester45my classes this year are08:56
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Jester451) algebra3 (morning math thats GREAT)08:56
Jester452-3)computer networking08:57
Jester454 biology08:57
Jester455american government08:57
test3rheh, youve learned more Here about networking then you will in that class.....08:57
Jester456-7 computer networking agian08:57
Jester45and 8 is 20th centry american history 208:58
Jester45thats my days08:58
test3rhey tho - see that's where we're alot diff - I didnt use linux in highschool I didnt have time. I was learning adobe,3d studio,etcetc08:58
Jester451-4 being 1 day and 5-8 being the 2nd08:58
Jester45did that last year08:59
Jester45mutlimedia stuffs08:59
test3ryouve got four hours taken up by comp networking?08:59
Jester45webpage disign08:59
Jester45lol08:59
Jester45VERY easy year08:59
test3rfrontpage doesnt count   ;p08:59
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test3rright on08:59
Jester45and now i used mousepad/nano08:59
test3rlol, there is very good editor09:00
Jester45the class did it in steps the good way09:00
test3rthat is for C? on here.  it can do XHTML im sure09:00
test3rit will auto highlight syntax and etc cool things09:00
Jester45text -> dreamweaver -> flash09:00
Jester45flash was gay because i couldnt use notepad09:00
test3rdreamweaver has been broke since i first tried it09:01
test3rflash you just have to put up with09:01
test3rkus flash is flash09:01
test3rthere is only 1 flash09:01
Jester45flash=gay09:01
test3rheh, it's very picky, confusing, and unnessecarily hard, yes09:01
Jester45slow09:01
test3rI rly hope adobe does alot good for it.09:02
Jester45inefficient09:02
Jester45anti google09:02
test3ranti google? flash is not "Anti Google"09:02
Jester45google hates flash because it cant see whats in it and use that in the index09:02
test3rflash creates a OBJ tag09:03
test3rremember? tags?09:03
test3r=D09:03
test3rgoogle should b reading the page the Flash is IN09:03
Jester45yea....09:03
test3rit should b embedded in a spot in the page determined by your layout09:03
Jester45a few tags do not equal a full page in html09:03
test3rpersonally09:03
test3ri prefer CSS for all positioning09:03
test3rcoloring09:03
test3rand anything I can make it do09:03
Jester45like menus09:04
test3rCSS can make a nifty menu, yes09:04
test3rwith a touch of javascript or not either or09:04
Jester45yea i got a menu with js on it09:04
Jester45kinda slower but not much09:05
test3rrly, tho, you want to stay away from those Especially now because , as you know, alot of people use "NoScript" plugin09:05
test3rthere is a thing they taught me09:05
test3rfirst semester in design school -09:05
Jester45that classic text is good?09:05
test3rK.I.S.S.  - Keep It Simple Silly09:05
test3rno - the more basic you can have it and have it work and its good - Do That09:06
Jester45my teach say Keep It Simple Stupid09:06
test3rlol yes my version was the nicer version09:06
Jester45he was 9th grade science09:06
Jester45funny guy09:06
Jester45watched movies 1/2 the year09:06
test3rI had a very odd, cool, science teacher too. I've had dumb ones, too.09:07
Jester45lol09:07
test3rbiology guy was smart. i student aid'ed for him.09:08
test3rchemistry teacher? she was a ditz.09:08
test3rluckily the back row was not as dumb as she was.09:08
Jester45my photoshop teach wasnt to good with computers so she had me do all her work09:08
test3rrofl09:08
test3rsic.09:08
Jester45neat smart board09:08
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Jester45i messed with her a lot09:09
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Jester45walking by the board when its "off" you tap the top right corner and there goes her email09:09
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Jester45because it never was off just the projector you could still controll the computer with it09:10
test3ra "smart board" ?????  daaaaaaaaaaaaamn you lucky SOB ! hahahahahaha WE USED CHALK !09:10
test3rI used to write out pre-calc at 7:30AM09:10
test3ron the board in front of class09:10
Jester45or i got the on screen keybaord out and raced her09:10
test3rwith CHALK09:10
test3r=\09:10
Jester45do you know what they are?09:11
test3rnever seen one ever. I bet it's awesome.09:11
Jester45pretty much a 6ft sq touch screen with a projector for the image09:12
test3rthat's so pimp. I want one on my fridge so it just hands me what I touch at.09:12
Jester45it has pens of diffrent colors they didnt write on the board but the board knew you picked it up and did the beryl annotate thing and made that colored lines09:13
Jester45that classroom was the best09:13
test3ri wouldnt want one in my living room though as id want to be able to recline - i think id still go with the wireless KB/Mouse  & projector on giant white wall setup09:13
test3rberyl annotate???????    =O wt- is That?09:14
Jester45the computers are core duos09:14
Jester45with 1gb ram09:14
Jester45pretty good when there is a whole class room of them09:14
test3ri have a gig on the xp box im doing the dvd on09:14
Jester45do you know what beryl is09:15
test3ra Class? of intels?  gawd09:15
test3rud think they wouldve woke up by now09:15
Jester45its a umm linux thing09:15
test3rthe principal still only uses Word tho im sure09:15
Jester45open gl window manger09:15
Jester45gives you the fancy cube for a desktop09:15
test3risnt beryl some math things too????? I think I see that with fractals09:16
Jester45like a better faster version of MS's Aero09:16
Jester45(plus beryl was first)09:16
test3rthats what that Cube is? Ah Ha!  So- can I use that on a multi-boot laptop ? and have multi OS up for selection on that cube?09:17
Jester45well its like drawing on the screen09:17
Jester45??09:17
Jester45no each face is a workspace09:17
test3roh it just a drawing? you cant actually click that?09:17
Jester45you can have more or less09:17
Jester45i think the limits right now are 2-3209:18
Jester452 is weird09:18
Jester45its flat just 2 sites09:18
test3rbwaaaAAAHAHAHAH we need one that can launch multi OS at once and let us flip betwen them09:18
Jester45sides*09:18
test3rlike they are workspaces in here09:18
Jester45well...09:18
test3ractually - u could run WINE in a workspace or sojmething eh?09:18
Jester45you could09:18
Jester45run xen09:18
Jester45+ vnc localhost the guest os09:19
Jester45and full sceen it09:19
Jester45but that would be a slow thing09:19
test3rsick. yeah it sure would on a laptop with 51209:19
test3r=(09:20
test3rah well I love it anyway09:20
Jester45start off with your xubuntu then take 3-10% speed for *nix oses and 45-60% for windows/mac OSs09:20
Jester45plus running beryl09:20
Jester45and vncing to all the OSes09:20
Jester45would be nice on a demo for something09:21
test3rtrue it would look nuts. I've seen shottd of that b4 tho i swear09:21
Jester45it would be nice09:22
test3rif the laptop will rly only increase load additional 60% for windows it would be able to do it.09:22
Jester45if it ran good09:22
Jester45it would be a lot easier on all *nix guest09:22
Jester45well09:22
Jester45it takes about 50% more power to go the thing in windows when running on xen then a native windows install09:23
Jester45and about 5% if your using a linux/bsd type09:23
Jester45OOO09:24
Jester45xen 4 ubuntu;s09:24
Jester45or 309:24
Jester45host has a side09:24
Jester45then the other 3 have a side each09:24
test3ryeah linux itself on idle says its taking 1%09:24
test3rnot even 309:24
Jester45then... all 4 have cubes them selves09:24
Jester45yea but your not gonna idle the whole time09:25
Jester453*5%=15% idle about most likly less09:25
Jester45then say you open firefox it takes a lot longer to load09:26
Jester45xen it used a lot for servers09:26
Jester45me and vidd are setting up one now09:26
Jester45i got debian etch running and working on ubuntu09:26
test3rto run a session of thing for logged in user?09:26
Jester45we will have a os runningfor ftp http mail terminal host and idk what else09:27
Jester45its a fast virtualization09:27
Jester45its only faster when the OS can used the modifeded kernel09:28
test3rrightright09:28
Jester45so bsd linux unix and others nixs09:28
test3rbut this way is moremore secure09:28
Jester45but mac and windows need to be full virtual09:28
test3ryou're talking a multi-user setup yes?09:28
Jester45so just as slow as qemu09:28
test3rat a business or such?09:28
Jester45well09:29
Jester45me and vidd are the admins09:29
Jester45and only users other than customers09:29
Jester45there is a dom0 the host09:29
Jester45and then the virtual computers are domu09:29
Jester45im wokring on a gentoo one to09:29
Jester45that will just be my toy one09:30
Jester45yea its a lot safer09:30
test3r..  huh! So - u just gana make a junker acc at some point to tester out with?09:30
Jester45because say the ftp os gets hacked or crashed or overloaded09:31
test3rgentoo.....  bLeLCh...  *Enjoy Your Compiling Time*   ;p09:31
Jester45we can set the ftp to only use 90% max cpu09:31
Jester45so we can ssh in kill it and mv a backup image in09:31
Jester45take the old one and make it offline and figure out what was wrong09:31
Jester45all as the http and others are still running like nothing happened09:32
test3ru dont ned gentoo to ssh in to fix it09:32
Jester45yea i know09:32
Jester45the gentoo is just for fun09:32
test3rwait mmmmmmm  er -\09:32
test3rso u mean internal LAN initiated ssh yes?09:32
test3rur puting a firewall in front of sever bloking that yes?09:33
Jester45if i get its super optimized i might transfer it to a harddrive of mine and play with it non virtualized09:33
Jester45not yet09:33
Jester45its offline right now its getting hooked up09:33
test3roh right - its not even turned on all the time either eh?09:34
Jester45our 1st server at vidd.us is firewalled but you can get in via ssh09:34
Jester45it doesnt have internet yet09:34
test3risnt that a bad risk?09:34
Jester45its colecting dust09:34
Jester45not really09:34
test3rive read a lot lately saying to turn external ssh off completely on your server09:35
test3rim pretty sure they can get in09:35
Jester45we yea09:35
Jester45well09:35
Jester45but its still getting setup completly09:35
Jester45and then will im moving it to the xen server09:35
test3r"Why dont you take your BAR ..!!! and shove it up your &$% ! IM WATCHIN TEEEE VOE !"09:36
test3rrofl i love this show09:36
Jester45right now i think the server running right now is a 2.2ghz 300mb ram09:36
Jester45its ok for what we are using it for09:36
Jester45the xen server is a storage hog as there are 5 installes on it09:37
test3rbut thats 5 OSes yes? with apps?09:37
test3ror without apps yet?09:37
Jester451 with 4 without09:38
Jester45o and 1 clean version09:38
Jester45that we can use to setup new ones09:38
test3rhmmmm... its still better than u could do with just Winblows !  =909:38
test3rsounds rediculous.09:38
test3ri want it in my House.09:38
Jester45i think were getting a 1tb raid arrray09:38
Jester45but im not sure09:39
test3rholy clothes worn on Sunday!  I cant afford that. can u set this up on a 500Mhrz box effectively?09:39
test3rlol?09:39
Jester45vidd's the hardware guy and maintains  im the software guy09:40
Jester45i cant afford that also09:40
test3rhmmmm... right on.  Hey so whats the thing i used eh09:40
Jester45i like using it09:40
test3rlemme chek my notes09:40
Jester45im just wanting to get to that networking class and teach the teacher09:41
Jester45ima be care full09:41
test3rthere it is09:42
Jester45its at a college so ... i bet someone there knows more than me09:42
test3rXJED is  the program i was trying out.09:42
test3rive found people tend to tell you most when you listen    =)09:43
test3rit sounds goofy - but it took me Years to truely learn that.09:43
Jester45well i talk a lot on irc09:43
Jester45mainly because it keeps me awake09:43
Jester45and i can talk while reading a webpage09:44
Jester45now i just need a little red dot like on older latops to control the mouse so i can leave my hands on the keyboard09:44
test3rI should find time to wipe the main disk on my main puter so I can use this on a widescreen monitor and gForce 609:45
test3ror a touchpad09:45
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test3rall that crap id have to re-install into windows tho!  man I dont think it will have the room  =(09:46
Jester45yea but then my hands would e way from the key voard and it would be almost like a mouse09:46
test3rnot on the disk thats in there now. Someday. the next iteration Will be dualboot.09:46
test3roic u mean smak dab in the middle of he keyboard there was that red dot for the mouse i remember now09:47
test3ri never used one of those09:47
Jester45A magnet powerful enough to disturb the electrons in flash would be powerful enough to suck the iron out of your blood cells," says Frank.09:48
Jester45sounds fun09:48
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test3r"electrons in flash" << What????   but, yeah, xjed is nifty. You can open src in C in it and it auto-colors the syntax for you and things. It will be great for learning that and PERL as Im working with files09:55
Jester45Fortunately, most modern storage devices, such as SD and CompactFlash memory cards, are immune to magnetic fields. "There's nothing magnetic in flash memory, so [a magnet]  won't do anything," says Bill Frank, executive director of the CompactFlash Association. "A magnet powerful enough to disturb the electrons in flash would be powerful enough to suck the iron out of your blood cells," says Frank.09:58
test3rlol, that counts for the "keychain" memory flash memory too, then?09:59
test3rthats weird. whoda guessed10:00
Jester45yea10:00
Jester45i want one of those magnets10:00
Jester45suck the iron out of someone10:00
test3rsomething tells me you wouldnt want it10:00
Jester45so cool to watch from a distance10:00
Jester45oo10:00
Jester45rolll a barrel of bb's to it10:01
Jester45mega shot gun10:01
test3rbuckshot10:02
test3ryou could have people cheer you on and theyd say "do a barrel roll"10:02
test3r^ ^10:02
test3rthen you could actually DO a barrel roll, and then it would blow up from being sukt to the magnet so fast10:03
test3ryou could charge admission10:03
Jester45or10:05
Jester45have it free to get in but i get your wallet after the magnet sucks your iron out10:05
test3rlol whaaaa? r u gana sell this idea to Kevorkian or something?10:06
test3r=D10:06
test3rwow we're offtopic now.  Computers are slick tho.  If they made a computer that had feelings and could get sad10:07
test3rwould they figure out how to make it cry?10:07
Jester45a motor and a value connected to a small pipe10:08
test3rit would have to not get inside tho! and not ever leak. altho if it was a walking thing, then it would already have some type of liquids inside of it to keep it going10:09
Jester45water cooling10:09
Jester45doesnt leak to offten10:09
test3rive seen those custom cases! did you see that fish tank case?10:10
test3rthat is insane. I recall the lyrics from the first Incubus album "if I had made me, I'da fallen apart BY now"10:10
Jester45http://www.tomshardware.com/2006/01/09/strip_out_the_fans/10:11
test3rI put my boxes together, though. but I dont do anything like that10:11
test3rthe "Fish Tank" box was clearer water than that, had actual filters in place and gold fish IN the computer case10:16
test3rbut yeah - same concept10:16
test3rooooooooo its cooking oil10:17
test3rthats why its that color10:17
Jester45i wouldnt want to do that as you could get poop on everything and the fish could over heat10:17
Jester45:)10:17
test3rhahahahaha, well, I think that was part of the way they setup the liquid in it10:18
test3ris there a HeatSink in that one?10:18
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test3rif one put a sink into the liquid itself it would dissipate even More heat10:19
Jester45http://www.everythingweird.com/entry/worlds-heaviest-neck-tumor/10:19
test3rew! no thx lol10:19
Jester45look at it10:19
Jester45doctor says "hey want me to chop that off... its like 30 lbs of nothing"10:20
test3roff the coast of india last week they caught a prehistoric fish that has glowing eyes10:26
test3rit was just some farmer guy and everyone was stunned10:26
test3ror maybe not india, but the indies or such over there10:27
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Jester45o10:31
test3rhere is the article. took a sec. -10:35
test3rhttp://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20070729/sc_afp/indonesiaenvironmentzoologysea_07072903064910:35
test3r=(   Well, EYE thought it was a cool fish.10:40
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K3rl0u4rnchears, I'm looking for PDF password remover for xubuntu, do you know such a software ?10:52
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phrozen77hi there01:58
phrozen77could somebody with xubuntu feisty & thunderbird do me a favour?01:59
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K3rl0u4rnphrozen77: what do you want ? don't ask to ask, just ask :)02:16
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phrozen77well, the problem is as follows: after a suspend-to-disk on my laptop (and a subsequent crash) firefox and thunderbird have stopped working02:54
phrozen77i can start both02:54
phrozen77firefox comes up with its start or restore session screen02:54
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phrozen77and no matter what i click on it wont show up, the process is running02:55
phrozen77same for thunderbird (besides the restoresession screen)02:55
phrozen77now i already spent the last 2 days troubleshooting it02:55
phrozen77following everything in the mozilla knowledgebase, to no avail02:55
phrozen77i even dpkg --purge'd both, deleted the remaining dir's in /usr/lib and ~/.mozilla and ~/.mozilla-thunderbird and reinstalled both packages02:56
phrozen77now i've compared the strace output of 2 thunderbird runs - one on my machine and one on a remote friends one02:57
phrozen77but no hints there02:58
phrozen77so, the question is, what do have ff and thunderbird in common that would prevent both from starting up properly?02:58
phrozen77(on a sidenote, according to the friendly ppl on irc.mozilla.org its a problem with the packager since the freshly downloaded version of ff works - ignoring the fact that it like worked a minute ago -> crash -> wont work -_-)03:01
K3rl0u4rnhave yout tried downloading tar.gz file from mozilla.org and launching it with a different user account ?03:10
phrozen77K3rl0u4rn, the tgz from mozilla.org does work03:10
phrozen77even with the same user03:11
K3rl0u4rnThen something else got corrupted with your suspend-to-disk operation I guess03:12
phrozen77yup, very probably, but what03:12
K3rl0u4rnfirefox and thunderbird not running may be side effect of something worse03:12
phrozen77like?03:13
K3rl0u4rnI'm not a linux expert but using synaptic, you may be able to ask the system to "reinstall" each of the currently installed package03:13
K3rl0u4rnbut this sounds experimental, may be someone have a better advice03:13
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phrozen77hrm03:15
marikohello , how do i make a shortcut to synaptic on XFCE`s panel?03:16
K3rl0u4rnmariko: Applications > System > synaptic package manager03:19
K3rl0u4rnmariko: is it what you want ?03:21
marikoK3rl0u4rn, I`m tryinhg to create a shortcut icon on the top panel03:21
K3rl0u4rnok right click on the top panel > add new item > launcher03:22
K3rl0u4rnthen fill in anything you want, gksudo synaptic for example :)03:22
marikoK3rl0u4rn, thanks but gksudo synaptic doesnt work03:23
marikoi click and nothing happens03:23
marikoSORRY03:24
marikoit does work...03:24
K3rl0u4rnsure it does:)03:24
marikocan you tell me whats the command for google-earth then....\03:24
K3rl0u4rnI can't03:24
marikooh......03:25
marikocan you tell me whats the command for the OO equivilant of excel?03:33
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K3rl0u4rnmariko: hey you should have those in your standard menus, so please check already existing launchers03:39
marikoK3rl0u4rn, what I`m trying to do is to create shortcuts on the panel , I know i can launch it from the menu, but I can`t find the command in the menu...03:40
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MrChickenHello05:24
MrChickenHello. I am running XUBUNTU, but I need to prevent non-admin users to shutdown the system. Can anybody help me?05:24
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MrChickenHello. I am running XUBUNTU, but I need to prevent non-admin users to shutdown the system. Can anybody help me?05:33
K3rl0u4rnMrChicken: you already asked, if nobody answers, please wait a little bit more05:36
MrChickenK3rl0u4rn sorry05:37
MrChickenI mean, I just need to diable the shutdown and restart buttons from the logout menu05:37
zialswell... you could change its properties... but then someone could just change it back05:39
TheSheepzials: there is kiosk mode for xfce, but I'm not sure it includes this05:39
MrChickenhow do I do that?05:39
MrChickenI mean... I'm running ltsp05:40
MrChickenso basically when a normal user wants to log out and shut down THEIR computer05:41
MrChickenthey accidentally click on "shut down"05:41
MrChickenand they shut down the server05:41
TheSheepMrChicken: ah, I think it's a knwon bug, I'm not sure there is a solution05:41
TheSheepMrChicken: but it's old, so there should be a solution, search the forum maybe05:41
TheSheephttp://wiki.xfce.org/kiosk_mode05:42
TheSheepI guess that Shutdown=%wheel should do it05:43
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cellofellowI've got some printer problems. I have this old Canon BJC-210, and I couldn't get it to work with any of the five or so drivers that CUPS suggested, and the one it recommended doesn't work. (I get an error saying that gutenprint-foomatic needs to be installed, but it's non-existent. I did install the only package that has both foomatic and gutenprint in the name, but didn't help.)07:36
cellofellowAnd now, after deleting to printer in CUPS to start off fresh, I have no Parallel option in the CUPS thing. Not Canon, Epson, or Normal Parallel, just all the other, mostly network based ports.07:37
hyper_chTheSheep: online?07:37
hyper_chanyone knows how I can search a couple of files for a string with bash?07:38
cellofellowgrep07:38
cellofellowcat thefiles | grep thestring07:38
cellofellowsimple07:39
cellofellowcan be lots more complicated.07:39
hyper_chcellofellow: recursive?07:39
cellofellowdunno...07:39
hyper_chbut I know (maybe) :)07:39
cellofellowI think it's just line-by-line07:39
hyper_chI mean subdirectories07:40
cellofellowand using cat, you won't be able to tell which file it is. I never did figure out the syntax for fgrep07:40
cellofellowfgrep is powerful07:40
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TheSheephyper_ch: grep -R 'the string' the-files08:08
hyper_chTheSheep: thx :) but I found already something else08:14
hyper_chTheSheep: find . -exec grep "searchthisstring" '{}' \; -print08:14
TheSheepwhat a hack08:14
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hyper_chTheSheep: I found it and it works08:18
hyper_chTheSheep: but I guess yours is nicer ;)08:18
TheSheepgrep -R works as well and is half less typing08:18
hyper_chgrep searches within files?08:19
TheSheepyes08:19
TheSheepgrep 'needle' haystack08:19
hyper_chTheSheep: and recursive?   grep -R "string" /path/to/dir/* ?08:19
TheSheepyes08:19
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Rockinghorse/me is gone...but he'll be baack...08:25
Rockinghorse/me is gone...but he'll be baack...08:25
Rockinghorse/me is back.08:25
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Rockinghorse/away09:48
RockinghorseRockinghorse is gone...but he'll be baack...09:48
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hyper_chwohooo, server up again and running10:05
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clefiaI just ran an update and upgrade with synaptic package manager. the updater quoted about 200mb of space needed10:23
clefiaafter the update i am left with 500mb less10:23
clefiai'm guessing the downloaded update files are still on my hard disk. where can i find and delete them?10:23
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hyper_chclefia: :/var/cache/apt/archives10:23
hyper_chif you want to remove all the additional downloaded packages:   sudo apt-get autoclean10:24
kstrhi all10:26
kstris there a way to easily change the partition wich is used as swap?10:28
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clefiahyper_ch: thank you for the advice10:28
hyper_chclefia: you're welcome... I got 1.1 GB in there10:28
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Lunisis there an easy way to make launchers with the proper icons on the panel?10:43
Lunisi always have to dig around to find the right icons because the app launcher won't use the default icon for a program. :x10:47
TheSheepLunis: you can make launhcers on the desktop, and the drag them into the list in the panel's launcher's properties10:47
LunisTheSheep, if only the panel launcher creator was as intuitive as the desktop one :P10:47
LunisTheSheep, that's exactly what I needed, thanks10:47
hyper_chLunis: buy him some beer ;)10:48
TheSheepLunis: I hope they will integrate them finally10:48
Lunishyper_ch, best i can do is donate some monopoly money :)10:48
LunisTheSheep, agreed10:48
Lunisstill buggy, need to do add item>add launcher, then drag the desktop launcher, then delete the 'new item'10:51
Lunisalso, is there an alternative desktop? i hate not being able to drag a `rubber band` around multiple icons to delete/cut them10:52
TheSheepLunis: there is the rox file manager which comes with it's onw desktop, same with Gnome's Nautilus10:56
TheSheepLunis: they are working to replace xfdesktop with Thunar for some future version of xfce, but the development is slow10:56
TheSheepLunis: you can open the 'Desktop' directory with Thunar if you need to do some advanced opretions on the files in there10:56
TheSheepLunis: but keeping files on the desktop is generally a bad idea10:56
LunisTheSheep, bad habit, i know, but a hard one to kick10:57
TheSheepclean desktop = clean mind ;)11:00
hyper_chTheSheep: then I have a very dirty mind ;)11:00
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ghatak_mobileHi, How do i install and configure Compiz with Xubuntu11:00
TheSheephyper_ch: no doubt it shows ;)11:00
TheSheepghatak_mobile: same as with ubuntu, just use xfce4-session instead of gnome-session11:00
ghatak_mobileTheSheep: i was actually looking for a howto :)11:05
TheSheepghatak_mobile: any luck?11:05
ghatak_mobileTheSheep: not Yet, may be you can point me in the right direction :)11:05
TheSheephttp://ubuntuforums.com11:05
ghatak_mobileRight11:05
Lunisghatak_mobile, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/?action=fullsearch&context=180&value=compiz&titlesearch=Titles11:05
Lunisghatak_mobile, always try the Wiki first, it has a ton of information11:05
hyper_ch!compiz11:05
ubotuCompiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL) - Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager - Help in #ubuntu-effects11:05
ghatak_mobileLunis: thanks, what about this package >> compiz-gnome , as i use xfce, would this install some gnome crap ?11:05
Lunisghatak_mobile, don't know :)11:05
TheSheepghatak_mobile: it will pull in some gnome libraries, but it will also give you a friendly graphical interface for configuring compiz11:07
TheSheepghatak_mobile: so it really only depends on how much you are devoted to avoid gnome libraries :)11:07
TheSheep*avoiding11:07
ghatak_mobilehow about metacity11:08
ghatak_mobilei dont want a new window manager11:08
TheSheepghatak_mobile: you need a window decorator, xfce4 can't run together with compiz11:08
TheSheepghatak_mobile: you can use emerald instead11:08
TheSheepghatak_mobile: compiz *is* a window manager, by the way, if you don't want a new one, don't install compiz11:08
ghatak_mobileTheSheep: i thought metacity was required with Compiz11:11
ghatak_mobilei know compiz is going to be needed11:11
TheSheepghatak_mobile: you need something that draws the window frames and buttons -- you can use metacity or emerald for this11:15
ghatak_mobileOk, time to restart X11:15
ghatak_mobilebrb11:15
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exwi'm trying to help my brother over the phone to find the amsn icon for when he's adding amsn to the panel as an "application launcher" and i'm not running xubuntu.. Can someone here who is running amsn tell me where the icon is?11:19
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exw"/usr/share/amsn/icons" ?11:20
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RockinghorseCool, i just overheated my computer: first time :)11:39
RockinghorseRockinghorse is gone...but he'll be baack...11:43
maxamillioni don't think he understands the /me command all too well11:43
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RockinghorseRockinghorse is gone...but he'll be baack...11:52
zials. . . its like the terminator all over again11:54
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mattgyver83_Hey room.  How can i specify the screen resolution for xubuntu to use?11:59
mattgyver83_What its default is set to is positioned incorrectly11:59
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Rockinghorsemattgyver83_: sudo dpkg reconfigure xconfig-xorg12:11
nikolammatt if you already have xubuntu running and xfce up you can go to Settings>display settings12:13
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