[12:18] <Balaams_Miracle> I would like to translate Museeq to Dutch, but for that, i will need lupdate. Does anybody know in which (meta?)package i can find that? (assuming it exists in our repos)
[12:18] <Balaams_Miracle> !info lupdate
[12:18] <ubotu> Package lupdate does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas
[12:20] <Riddell> if it's not in launchpad translations, you'd need to ask the developers of the app in question
[12:22] <Balaams_Miracle> Riddell, i only need lupdate, which is supposed to extract translatable strings from a source file, and dump those stings into a .tr file, making it possible to translate them using qt3-linguist
[12:22] <Balaams_Miracle> As i understand it, it should be part of some qt dev package, but the problem is finding out which one
[12:23] <Riddell> packages.ubuntu.com
[12:27] <Balaams_Miracle> No such luck, but i did manage to find something at LP, gotta figure out if that's really what i need because this one is called pylupdate, i have no idea if that would do the exact same thing as lupdate
[12:29] <Riddell> http://packages.ubuntu.com/cgi-bin/search_contents.pl?word=lupdate&searchmode=searchfiles&case=insensitive&version=feisty&arch=i386
[12:29] <Riddell> libqt4-dev
[12:33] <Balaams_Miracle> I've been told by someone that qt4 stuff won't work with qt3 sources, but i do not know if that's true. But even if it is, do you recon this qt4-version of lupdate will create qt3-compatible .tr files?
[12:39] <Riddell> I've no idea I'm afraid, I've never used qt's translation format
[12:41] <Balaams_Miracle> I'd rather us .po myself, but i can't choose for dealstorm (the museek/nicotine dev)
[12:52] <mhb> Riddell: splendid, restricted-manager-kde hit the archives
[12:52] <Riddell> blamo
[12:52] <mhb> Riddell: thanks for the help and mentoring! :o) and now let me be the first to welcome the bugreports
[12:53] <Riddell> thanks for coding!
[12:56] <mhb> Riddell: a docstring from onboard: """ Very messy class holds the keyboard widget. (...)"""
[12:57] <Riddell> encouraging
[12:59] <mhb> Riddell: indeed. I am still not convinced which solution is the best...
[01:03] <Riddell> mhb: out of which options?
[01:06] <mhb> Riddell: improve kvkbd (perhaps port to Qt4), build a simple kcontrol module for it OR restructure onboard to have a separate common/gnome part and then write a kde frontend
[01:07] <mhb> Riddell: what are the features that you like on onboard that much?
[01:07] <Riddell> macros, one button keyboard
[01:08] <Riddell> plus it looks better
[01:10] <mhb> Riddell: on the other hand, kvkbd loads the localised keyboard on first startup, whereas onboard segfaults on first startup (it could be me, or my locale, I dunno)
[01:10] <mhb> and the appearance of kvkbd can be changed
[01:14] <Riddell> I'm sure a bug in onboard can be fixed
[01:14] <Riddell> the appearane on kvkdb can't really be changed, it just uses qbuttons, onboard uses svgs
[01:17] <mhb> Riddell: also, the time is running out ... FF in 9 days
[01:18] <mhb> I really don't know...
[01:20] <Riddell> there's not actually a lot of code in onboard, it shouldn't be hard to port
[01:23] <mhb> 2000 gtk-ridden badly documented messy lines ... the number's not that high, but those multipliers are scary :o)
[01:23] <mhb> we'll see in the morning, goodnight all
[01:24] <Riddell> sleep well
[01:55] <jjesse> night mhb
[03:14] <bddebian> Heya
[03:20] <innovati> hey there
[03:20] <bddebian> Hello innovati
[03:20] <innovati> what's shakin tonight?
[03:21] <bddebian> Nuttin' You?
[03:21] <innovati> hahah not too much
[03:21] <innovati> listening to LoveStoned......that's about it
[03:25] <ScottK> Hi there bddebian.
[03:26] <bddebian> Heya ScottK
[03:26] <bddebian> What the hell is LoveStoned?
[03:28] <innovati> oh uh......deinitely *not* Justin Timberlake........
[03:28] <bddebian> Titney Spews?
[03:28] <innovati> I like from ~2:40 onward: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rgu9tUmUYfo
[03:28] <bddebian> err Brittany Spears? :-)
[05:07] <ScottK> Why is restricted manager IN restricted?  Surely it's FOSS
[05:08] <robotgeek> ScottK: maybe it contains restricted firmware etc?
[05:08] <ScottK> Don't think it does.
[05:08] <ScottK> It just manages what you have.
[05:10] <robotgeek> well, it is all .py files :)
[05:10] <ScottK> Yeah.
[05:10] <ScottK> mhb: Why is restricted-manager IN restricted?
[05:10] <ScottK> He wrote the KDE one.
[05:10] <ScottK> He's also sleeping.
[05:10] <robotgeek> well, it is kinda useless without the restricted files, maybe if someone did not have restricted in there, it might not work (dependency management)
[05:11] <robotgeek> apt-get enabling foo not required
[05:11] <ScottK> I'm be curious why.
[05:39] <nixternal> OK, who here has been doing PyQt4 work extensively? :)
[05:43] <ScottK> You
[05:44] <ScottK> 'cause I know you've been working really hard on pinentry-qt4.
[05:51] <nixternal> bah pinentry-qt4 and its mess
[05:53] <ScottK> You're gonna want it for kde4.
[05:58] <nixternal> I am switching to windows
[05:58] <nixternal> heh, I tried to come up with another DE, but I couldn't
[05:58] <nixternal> Gnome and Xfce just hit my head, and I brain dumped
[05:59] <robotgeek> i am about to try the kde4 live cd (suse, though)
[06:05] <nixternal> well I was going to tell robotgeek, that I heard it was kind of bad right now
[06:09] <ScottK> I'm guessing he'll know for himself shortly.
[06:30] <robotgeek> no gutsy tribe 3 for ppc? (i know it is not supported :) )
[06:33] <robotgeek> nvm, found here: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/ports/daily/current/
[06:35] <nixternal> is there a tribe 3 for ppc?
[06:36] <nixternal> I have a ppc sittng here that I decided not to get up and running because we were supposedly dropping support
[06:37] <ScottK> Dropping "Support", but not support.
[06:37] <nixternal> hey, thanks!
[06:37] <nixternal> for confusing me :)
[06:38] <ScottK> It's there, AFAIK, but if it's broken, they aren't going to lift a finger over it.
[06:38] <robotgeek> sigh, nobody is seeding, even.
[06:39] <nixternal> ahhh
[06:39] <nixternal> ya, nobody hardly ever seeds the .torrents
[06:39] <nixternal> I just download from the local uni now at like 2mbs
[06:39] <robotgeek> nixternal: well, it is the daily current, so i would guess its okay
[06:40] <robotgeek> nixternal: lucky, i only got 700 K/s
[06:40] <nixternal> I haven't heard of it breaking anything just yet
[06:40] <nixternal> 700k/s from ubuntu.com?
[06:40] <nixternal> I am jealous!
[06:40] <robotgeek> yeah
[06:40] <robotgeek> 750K/s even . /me is happy for once
[06:41] <nixternal> ya, anything from *buntu.* would kill my machine if I got more than 200k/s
[06:41] <robotgeek> i was so happy with my univ net :) used to download iso's in about 6 minutes or so
[06:41] <robotgeek> and we did not even have a local mirror
[06:42] <robotgeek> they support(ed) redhat on campus, and i think were planning to dual boot
[06:42] <robotgeek> my upload sucks though
[06:43] <nixternal> ya, mine too
[06:45] <robotgeek> damn, all i want to do is try out kde4 :)
[06:45] <nixternal> hehe
[06:53] <nixternal> ooh, IBM now going to start selling Linux laptops..nice
[07:11] <nixternal> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZIk4qTKmKzE
[07:11] <nixternal> haha
[10:26] <_StefanS_> kwwii_: nice suse colors in that background wallpaper 8-)
[10:54] <apachelogger> Oo
[10:54] <apachelogger> why keeps everyone thinking these are suse colors?
[10:55] <apachelogger> _StefanS_: I guess thoose are colors from the kubuntu logo
[10:55] <apachelogger> so you bascially said we have a suse logo :P
[11:00] <_StefanS_> apachelogger: yea, I know, i have joked with kwii before on that :)
[11:00] <_StefanS_> apachelogger: just thought they looked very alike
[11:00] <apachelogger> hm
[11:01] <apachelogger> maybe I should checkout suse some time
[11:01] <_StefanS_> apachelogger: I do occasionally, but it never work in a vm.
[11:01] <apachelogger> poor suse
[11:01] <_StefanS_> apachelogger: either the harddisks cannot be found, or it crashes later during boot.
[11:02] <_StefanS_> apachelogger: there's always something. Even on physical hardware using a VIA c7@1.5ghz with epia ex board it still didn't work. Couldn't find my sata disk.
[11:04] <_StefanS_> so.. yes. Poor suse.
[11:20] <_StefanS_> apachelogger: what are you committing to KDE?
[11:20] <apachelogger> just some www patches
[11:23] <_StefanS_> uhm for konqy?
[11:28] <Duloup> Hello ! I'd like to know what is the recommended way to request a package update (kmymoney 0.8.6 in Gutsy and 0.8.7 in Debian unstable) ? Here on IRC or opening a bug in launchpad ?
[11:29] <Hobbsee> Duloup: greetings
[11:31] <Duloup> greetings Hobbsee (not a native english speaker not sure what to answer to this ;-) )
[11:31] <Hobbsee> :)
[11:31] <Hobbsee> greetings == hello
[11:32] <Hobbsee> Duloup: sync requested.  should be done in a few days :)
[11:32] <Duloup> thank you very much Hobbsee !
[11:33] <Hobbsee> no problem :
[11:33] <Hobbsee> )
[11:33] <Hobbsee> Duloup: here's always a good start, if people are talking.  they can always ask you to file a bug instead, if it'll take a bunch of work to do, or something
[11:35] <Duloup> ok
[11:39] <apachelogger> _StefanS_: for the websites
[11:39] <apachelogger> everyone always forgets the websites :(
[11:39] <apachelogger> poor kde-www
[11:42] <_StefanS_> oh :)
[11:42] <_StefanS_> true indeed
[11:44] <Riddell> kde.org needs a new hotspot for example
[11:46] <apachelogger> just, what is hotspot worthy right now?
[11:47] <Riddell> I was thinking kde patronship
[11:47] <Riddell> which does already have a logo
[11:48] <apachelogger> yeah, probably a good idea
[11:48] <apachelogger> omg
[01:25] <mhb> ScottK: it's completely free software, but I guess they are keeping it in restricted because some handlers contain links on proprietary firmware
[01:26] <mhb> ScottK: for example, the bcm43xx class wireless cards need a firmware file and the code contains an URL where you can download it
[03:37] <OculusAquilae> hi
[03:38] <ScottK> Hello.
[03:46] <OculusAquilae> Is bug #6306 still unfixed in gutsy. There seems to be a patch.
[03:47] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 6306 in kiosktool "Kiosk admin tool tries to login with root account " [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/6306
[03:48] <Riddell> OculusAquilae: it's fixed
[04:50] <bddebian> Heya
[04:57] <icefox> Are thier plans to package xdg-user-dirs (http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/xdg-user-dirs)?
[04:59] <icefox> it would be nice to have/use in kde4
[05:00] <apachelogger> nixternal: [ 25%]  Generating amarokconfig.h, amarokconfig.cpp
[05:01] <Hobbsee> mhb: i'm getting http://rafb.net/p/Giz8ba34.html in running r-m-kde, in the console.  the app doesnt seem to crash
[05:03] <mhb> Hobbsee: ah, yes. it's because you click where there's nothing defined. I forgot to catch it.
[05:04] <Hobbsee> :)
[05:04] <mhb> Hobbsee: it shouldn't be critical, though
[05:05] <Hobbsee> no, doesnt seem to be
[05:05] <Hobbsee> just thought it might be useful
[05:07] <mhb> Hobbsee: sure! Thanks for reporting it, I remember seeing it, I must have forgotten to fix it. I'll fix it soonish.
[05:07] <Hobbsee> :)
[05:22] <nosrednaekim> hey, what packages do I have to install to get kde4 working?
[05:24] <nosrednaekim> like which kde4 packages? I just have KDE4base installed (and -dev as well)
[05:24] <Hobbsee> kde4base, as said on kubuntu.org, i believe
[05:26] <nosrednaekim> hmm ok...
[05:27] <nosrednaekim> its says to install kde4base-dev (which I have installed)... but it still doesn't work.I'll try to see whats keeping it from running. I had alpha1 running fine.
[05:32] <nosrednaekim> ah I figured it out.. I had to have Xephyr export to display 2
[05:50] <apachelogger> dpkg-deb: building package `amarok2' in `../amarok2_2.0.0+svn693037-0ubuntu1_i386.deb'.
[05:51] <Riddell> awooga
[05:51] <Riddell> s/+/~/ in the version number
[05:51] <apachelogger> k
[06:05] <nixternal> Hobbsee: that guy will give you a headache
[06:10] <Hobbsee> nixternal: yeah.  he'll get a +q soon, i expect
[06:27] <Hobbsee> !grub
[06:27] <ubotu> grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[06:27] <serzholino> what is lpia?
[06:28] <serzholino> from topic
[06:28] <Riddell> new intel mobile architecture
[06:28] <serzholino> ah :)
[06:29] <serzholino> btw, threre were some topics in kde-core-devel about supporting qt/embedded in kdelibs
[06:30] <serzholino> and some preliminary support is alredy in kdelibs trunk
[06:30] <Riddell> this just needs someone who knows a bit about packaging and a lot of patience
[06:31] <nixternal> Riddell: what is that?
[06:32] <nixternal> ahh, I have been seeing a lot of the lpia uploads of late in gutsy
[06:32] <nixternal> now I know what it is :)
[06:33] <serzholino> Riddell: so, for lpia qt/x11 will be used?
[06:34] <Riddell> not by default, but it's nice to have it available
[06:34] <serzholino> yep
[06:35] <serzholino> i meant qt/x11 as opposed to qt/embedded
[06:37] <Riddell> yes
[06:52] <nixternal> Riddell: I take it you did the MIR for kvkbd?
[06:53] <Riddell> nixternal: no, I put it into universe
[06:53] <nixternal> I just got the "Accepted into Main" message
[06:53] <Riddell> (and only accepted it because of a bad command)
[06:53] <Riddell> it's in universe now
[07:22] <apachelogger> Riddell: master, master, what shall I do with the monster?
[07:22] <apachelogger> toss it up on revu?
[07:23] <Riddell> revu is down
[07:23] <Riddell> toss it up elsewhere
[07:25] <apachelogger> anything to obliqe!
[07:28] <mhb> oh my, why can't people write code with portability in mind :o)
[07:28] <mhb> also with basic sense of documentation
[07:38] <jjesse> but documentation is hard :)
[07:40] <mhb> jjesse: well, I meant the in-code documentation
[07:41] <mhb> jjesse: it wouldn't hurt the dev to describe in five words what the function does and where it is used
[07:43] <mhb> nixternal: around?
[07:43] <apachelogger> Riddell, nixternal: http://aplg.kollide.net/kubuntu/amarok2/
[07:44] <jjesse> mhb: grin that would be too difficult to actually say what something does
[07:47] <nixternal> wasabi mhb
[07:54] <mhb> nixternal: I'm starting a port of onboard to Qt4
[07:55] <mhb> nixternal: onboard is an on-screen keyboard
[07:56] <mhb> nixternal: if I don't fail (and I'm not planning to) one of the duo (kvkbd, onboard-qt) won't be necessary in main
[07:57] <mhb> nixternal: therefore, one of us will have his time wasted
[07:57] <nixternal> that is up to Riddell
[07:59] <mhb> nixternal: indeed. I just wanted to inform you about my task, so you don't feel bad about it
[08:00] <mhb> nixternal: I hope you're not angry at me.
[08:03] <nixternal> not at all..whatever the better solution is
[08:26] <Riddell> apachelogger: amarok 2 needs a copy of the LGPL
[08:26] <apachelogger> Riddell: for?
[08:26] <Riddell> for the files which are LGPL :)
[08:27] <apachelogger> we have lgpl files? Oo
[08:27] <Riddell> http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/amarok-lgpl
[08:28] <apachelogger> omg!
[08:28] <apachelogger> so letz fix that
[08:28] <Riddell> apachelogger: git?
[08:29] <apachelogger> Riddell: I'm using git-svn
[08:29] <apachelogger> <-- browsing a lot in the logs to find a revision which caused a certain b0rkage
[08:29] <apachelogger> git is just awesome for this :D
[08:47] <pedahzur> Porting to LPIA?  Louisiana Private Investigator Association? Libertarian Party of Iowa? Label Printing Industries of America? Low Probability of Intercept Altimeter? Or would it be, as I assume, Low Power on Intel Architecture?  How about adding this link to that question: http://www.intel.com/technology/systems/lpia/ :)
[08:48] <apachelogger> Riddell: fixed
[08:48] <pedahzur> Cool.
[09:04] <Riddell> apachelogger: that seems to quite reliably freeze my computer
[09:05] <apachelogger> Riddell: the building or amarok?
[09:05] <Riddell> although I don't have any sound on this computer
[09:05] <Riddell> apachelogger: running amarok 2
[09:05] <apachelogger> well
[09:05] <apachelogger> there are 2 issues I made up which can freeze amarok
[09:06] <apachelogger> using phonon without hardware mixing
[09:06] <apachelogger> because dmix + phonon only works with recent alsa
[09:06] <Riddell> well as I say I don't have any sound
[09:06] <apachelogger> and running the intel driver (like me) crashes at least this snapshot
[09:06] <apachelogger> Riddell: a guy in #kubuntu-de is running it quite well
[09:06] <apachelogger> can even play mp3s
[09:10] <Riddell> apachelogger: want me to upload?
[09:13] <apachelogger> well, if nixternal got no objections
[09:13] <Riddell> why might nixternal object?
[09:13] <apachelogger> no idea, he asked for the package ^_^
[09:13] <apachelogger> Riddell: maybe we should mention that this snapshot is not supported by upstream in anyway?
[09:14] <apachelogger> ...in the long description
[09:14] <Riddell> it does
[09:14] <Riddell> well, close enough, I can add it
[09:14] <Riddell> hi Lure
[09:15] <apachelogger> Riddell: yeah, please
[09:15] <apachelogger> then it's ready for upload I think
[09:16] <mhb> Riddell: remember when we were solving the "guidance apps are not translated in systemsettings" bug? It seems to be back.
[09:16] <Riddell> grump
[09:16] <Riddell> mhb: remind me again after feature freeze
[09:40] <hunger> Will kubuntu use tracker?
[09:40] <hunger> ubuntu seems to be doing so... and it would be kind of strange to have to seperate systems.
[09:41] <stdin> hunger: it will use strigi
[09:41] <stdin> afaik
[09:41] <hunger> stdin: That is what I heared as well. Too bad:-(
[09:41] <hunger> So I'll probably end up indexing everything twice:-(
[09:42] <Riddell> yes, it's a bad situation
[09:42] <stdin> all ubuntu needs is a strigi client and problem solved :p
[09:42] <Riddell> it has one
[09:42] <hunger> stdin: Yeap, but strigi is from KDE, they can't have that in gnome:-(
[09:42] <stdin> dose it have the same functions too?
[09:42] <hunger> stdin: The other way round is true as well of course.
[09:42] <stdin> hunger: why?
[09:43] <hunger> stdin: NIH syndrom:-(
[09:43] <hunger> stdin: plus the two desktops have widely different architectures and goals. What works well for one usually does not for the other.
[09:43] <stdin> as long as the daemon doesn't depend on any kde/qt libs and it has a client that is written in gtk, then that would work great
[09:44] <stdin> true
[09:44] <mhb> hunger: kubuntu and ubuntu doesn't have different goals, AFAIK
[09:44] <stdin> we need a nice unified indexer
[09:44] <hunger> mhb: Yeap, but gnome and kde does.
[09:44] <ScottK> Based on the discussion on #ubuntu-devel, I don't think tracker is that indexer.
[09:45] <Riddell> not notably, there's no reason why kde and gnome can't share the same search engine
[09:45] <Riddell> ScottK: in which way?
[09:45] <ScottK> Lots of complaining it seems to me about how it bogs down your system
[09:45] <ScottK> And how it automatically makes copies of pictures and such.
[09:46] <Riddell> all indexers do
[09:46] <ScottK> OK.
[09:46] <hunger> Riddell: They should not duplicate the contents of the files IMHO.
[09:46] <ScottK> It just seemed to me that there wasn't a lot of positive said about it.
[09:46] <hunger> Riddell: Strigi does, that sucks.
[09:46] <Riddell> hunger: yes, both strigi and tracker are looking to stop that
[09:48] <hunger> Riddell: jos said space optimization was not even considered yet:-(
[09:49] <Riddell> hmm, he told me it was on the todo, but not for a few releases
[09:50] <hunger> Riddell: Yes, he said he'll start to think about once more important stuff is done.
[09:56] <ScottK> Strigi isn't going to be installed by default is it?
[09:58] <Riddell> it is at the moment
[09:58] <Riddell> but it's really unstable
[10:01] <mhb> you're not going to like me for the new kubuntu-meta bug, I'm afraid