[12:14] <vzduch> evilmm: what's the repos for if you don't use them..
[12:14] <evilmm> wish*
[12:14] <Assid> stdin: looks like
[12:15] <evilmm> vzduch: i mean install stuff not in the repo
[12:15] <Assid> now what do i do ?
[12:15] <endlevel> one more Question..........how to intall .jar file ?
[12:15] <evilmm> you dont "install" those
[12:15] <usharf> hi all. wondering if anyone can help. I've run into a problem with Kubuntu, after changing the screen resolution. After quiting X later on (yes, zapping out) KDE nor KDM, nor anything else start again. I've reinstalled xserver-xorg, but now KDM is themeles an d ksmserver does not start - so no deskto unless I run everything manually ....
[12:15] <stdin> endlevel: you don't, that's a java file
[12:16] <endlevel> but how i can run ?
[12:16] <stdin> Assid: that would be the problem then :p, oh well. here's the fix: " sudo dpkg -i /var/cache/apt/archives/compiz-fusion-plugins-main_0.0.0+git20070725-0ubuntu1~ppa1_i386.deb /var/cache/apt/archives/compiz-fusion-plugins-extra_0.0.0+git20070725-0ubuntu1~ppa1_i386.deb"
[12:16] <evilmm> endlevel: you have java install i presume?
[12:16] <endlevel> i download this " Retriever1.07inst.jar "
[12:16] <stdin> endlevel: java -jar file.jar
[12:16] <gnyffel> vzduch: isn't it sort of misleading for the "official" latest version for Kubuntu not to be in the default repos?
[12:17] <Assid> stdin: still error'd out
[12:17] <stdin> Assid: post it
[12:17] <vzduch> gnyffel: no, why?
[12:17] <stdin> Assid: opps, for got a bit...
[12:17] <stdin> Assid: " sudo dpkg --force-overwrite -i /var/cache/apt/archives/compiz-fusion-plugins-main_0.0.0+git20070725-0ubuntu1~ppa1_i386.deb /var/cache/apt/archives/compiz-fusion-plugins-extra_0.0.0+git20070725-0ubuntu1~ppa1_i386.deb"
[12:18] <RobNyc> !gpg
[12:18] <ubotu> gpg is the GNU Privacy Guard.  See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GnuPrivacyGuardHowto and class #8 on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ClassroomTranscripts
[12:18] <Assid> stdin: http://pastebin.ca/648044
[12:18] <vzduch> gnyffel: the standard pkg'ing policy for *buntu is providing one version of software at release, and if need be, you get patches for security
[12:19] <gnyffel> vzduch: ooh, I didn't realise. So I had the wrong idea. Thanks for alleviating that.
[12:19] <vzduch> gnyffel: if you want more current software there's the backports project (that doesn't have everything unfortunately)
[12:19] <stdin> Assid: good, now "sudo dpkg --configure -a" should get it all installed
[12:19] <Assid> you know what
[12:19] <Assid> let me get rid of it
[12:19] <Assid> and then install it
[12:19] <Assid> apt-get remove --purge compiz compiz-core desktop-effects compiz-extra compiz-kde compiz-gnome compiz-plugins  compiz-fusion-plugins-extra  compiz-fusion-plugins-main
[12:19] <vzduch> for current KDE packages there's a source provided by the KDE project
[12:20] <stdin> or kubuntu.org give packages
[12:20] <vzduch> or that, but that is really a KDE.org source
[12:20] <vzduch> afaik
[12:21] <Assid> okay that worked
[12:22] <robotgeek> ##networking
[12:23] <Assid> okay i think i have it
[12:23] <Assid> how do i put it in the start up
[12:23] <Assid> i enabled wobbly windows.. but doesnt seem to wrok
[12:23] <stdin> put a script in ~/.kde/Autostart
[12:24] <stdin> Assid: you have to enable the effects in the settings (ccsm is the command)
[12:25] <Assid> cssm --replace right ?
[12:26] <stdin> Assid: no, ccsm is the compis settings manager, "compiz --replace" is compiz window manager
[12:26] <stdin> Assid: you'll probably need "compiz-kde" tho
[12:46] <easytiger_home>           
[12:46] <stdin> easytiger_home: ??
[12:46] <easytiger_home> stdin:  is  totally  
[12:47] <stdin> what are you doing?
[12:47] <easytiger_home> w d you mean?
[12:48] <stdin> "<easytiger_home> w d you mean?"
[12:48] <stdin> messed up characters
[12:48] <easytiger_home> whats tat about?
[12:49] <droach> why dosent php work in feisty fawn!!1
[12:49] <easytiger_home> php is st
[12:49] <stdin> easytiger_home: you've been warned
[12:49] <droach> php-cli works fine but the php in apache dosent work
[12:50] <easytiger_home> mod-php installed?
[12:50] <stdin> droach: looked at the guide?
[12:50] <Dragnslcr> droach- did you install the Apache module?
[12:50] <droach> yes like me be sure before i start ranting
[12:50] <Dragnslcr> libapache2mod-php or something
[12:50] <easytiger_home> and subdefine "doesn't work"
[12:50] <droach> hold on
[12:50] <easytiger_home> does it crash. doest nothing work. does it murder a puppy
[12:50] <Dragnslcr> libapache2-mod-php5
[12:51] <stdin> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ApacheMySQLPHP
[12:52] <droach> when i try to open a .php page it starts downloading it like i dont have the module installed
[12:52] <droach> and the module is installed
[12:52] <stdin> droach: did you restart apache after you installed it?
[12:52] <stdin> droach: and did you tell apache to load the modules?
[12:52] <droach> didnt have this problem in the last version of ubuntu
[12:53] <droach> i did restart it but i thought it loaded the modules automatically
[12:54] <droach> i do remember having to modify a file to get it to work...where is the module configuration file
[12:54] <stdin> droach: in apache2 you have to make a link in mods-enabled
[12:56] <RobNyc> damn xchat and kde still have the bug that channels dont change color at all
[12:57] <stdin> then use konversation
[12:57] <RobNyc> stdin: but xchat rocks
[12:57] <RobNyc> and this only happens in kubuntu
[12:57] <stdin> no konversation rocKs :)
[12:57] <RobNyc> negative
[12:58] <theverant> Ok... Kubuntu - Compiz or Beryl?  What should I be using?
[12:58] <theverant> or are they the same...
[12:58] <stdin> the capital K = KDE
[12:58] <RobNyc> theverant: compiz-fusion
[12:58] <theverant> Huh... ok... I'll look it up
[12:58] <LycanNyc> stdin, have u seen just the difference in the scripts for konversation & xchat
[12:58] <LycanNyc> xchat is older and more mature so theres more for it ;)
[12:58] <droach> how do i make the link in the command line (folder is read only)
[12:58] <droach> cant do it in x
[12:59] <stdin> LycanNyc: yeah, but I have scripted for Konversation, so you won't convince me there :p
[12:59] <RobNyc> stdin: let me see
[12:59] <theverant> It's not listed in adept?
[12:59] <theverant> RobNyc: Is there an automated installer?
[12:59] <stdin> RobNyc: it's in the svn version of conversation
[12:59] <Dragnslcr> Konversation can't do event-based scripting though
[01:00] <stdin> RobNyc: tinyurl script
[01:00] <RobNyc> theverant: dont think it has hit ubuntu yet
[01:00] <stdin> Dragnslcr: you can get it to do that, when I get "stdin has left the server" my client auto does "/nick stdin"
[01:00] <RobNyc> stdin: tinyurl ?
[01:01] <Dragnslcr> stdin- really? I thought I read in the docs that Konversation doesn't support event handling
[01:01] <stdin> RobNyc: takes a long URL and turns it in to a tiny URL
[01:01] <theverant> Robnyc: Gah!
[01:01] <RobNyc> stdin: thats it ?
[01:01] <yaccin> http://bennid.de/usb.jpg what does this mean? :(
[01:01] <yaccin> i get this ALWAYS when i do something with a usb storage device
[01:01] <yaccin> :(
[01:01] <RobNyc> ah finally i made it show colors now :)
[01:01] <Dragnslcr> theverant- there's a repository that's maintained for Fusion. It works well for me, but I know a lot of people have had problems with it
[01:01] <stdin> Dragnslcr: under highlight, in autotext
[01:02] <RobNyc> stdin: what about for sysinfo
[01:02] <stdin> RobNyc: you can replace/modify the sysinfo script to do the same as the spam you sent me :p
[01:02] <RobNyc> stdin: hehe how :)
[01:03] <stdin> RobNyc: you just replace it with the one you want, either system wide or for the user
[01:03] <stdin> RobNyc: and my tinyurl script...
[01:03] <stdin> RobNyc: turns this https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/update-manager/+bug/107188
[01:03] <RobNyc> stdin: im a noob i dont know how to change that one i dont even know where that konversation built-in sysinfo is at
[01:03] <stdin>  RobNyc to this http://tinyurl.com/34lwoz
[01:04] <RobNyc> ah yea
[01:04] <stdin> RobNyc: with just /tinyurl message blah blah https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/update-manager/+bug/107188
[01:04] <maverick> hey, does anybody know why can't i playback the recorded istanbul session??
[01:04] <stdin> RobNyc: /usr/share/apps/konversation/scripts
[01:05] <maverick> i can playback ogg files..but the recored session from istanbul, i can't play it...dunno why
[01:05] <maverick> i also tried RecordMydesktop
[01:05] <RobNyc> stdin: lets see
[01:07] <Pazy> Does Kubuntu or Kubuntu's installer have a problem with IDE and Sata HDD's on same comp?
[01:07] <theverant> Dragnslcr: I added Trevios eyecandy repo.  We'll see if fusion works for me or not.  :)
[01:07] <Dragnslcr> theverant- heh, good luck
[01:08] <RobNyc> stdin: didnt work
[01:08] <theverant> looks good so far...
[01:08] <stdin> RobNyc: define "didnt work"
[01:09] <RobNyc> stdin: i cp the script to usr/share wher eu told me.. restart konversation, settings configure to make sure and didnt work
[01:09] <theverant> needs some tweaking... but wobbly windows and the cube (octogon?) works fine...
[01:09] <RobNyc> [DCOP]  Error: Could not find script "sysinfoNEW".
[01:09] <RobNyc> its just too complicated for anything to work on konversation
[01:09] <RobNyc> even simple /exec -o unam e-a
[01:09] <stdin> RobNyc: did you name the script sysinfoNEW?
[01:09] <RobNyc> yes
[01:10] <RobNyc> i know /exec -o = cmd
[01:10] <maverick> !fortune
[01:10] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about fortune - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:11] <theverant> Dragnslcr: is there a GUI for controlling the settings, like in Beryl?
[01:11] <Dragnslcr> theverant- yeah, install compizconfig-settings-manager
[01:13] <theverant> huh... it's installed... why can't I find it in the menus...
[01:13] <Pazy> Does Kubuntu or Kubuntu's installer have a problem with IDE and Sata HDD's on same comp?
[01:13] <theverant> NM... there it is
[01:13] <theverant> cool... thanks!
[01:13] <stdin> Pazy: look on the bug tracker https://bugs.ubuntu.com/ubuntu
[01:15] <adenicio> stdin: i need help i want something that sick that i can use all the time on feisty.i dont know wa to download
[01:15] <stdin> adenicio: to do what?
[01:15] <BluesKaj> why is soundkonverter suddenly converting audio files to netscape for windows player plugin ...what gives ?
[01:16] <Pazy> stdin: Konqourer wont open that page.
[01:16] <stdin> BluesKaj: is it really a netscape thingy, or is that what konqu thinks it is?
[01:16] <BluesKaj> I just want a plain wav file
[01:17] <stdin> Pazy: ahh, it changed a while go, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu
[01:17] <adenicio> stdin: i dont know programmes like bluetooth remot control.how to get the cube(but i dont tinl my mother boartd will handle it)
[01:17] <stdin> adenicio: have an intel chip?
[01:17] <BluesKaj> stdin:  I've treid several differnt files flac,mp3 etc and try to conver these to wav ...it's always the same thing, that netscape plugin , and doesn't even work :)
[01:17] <adenicio> stdin: wa do u have to install to get the 3d desktop
[01:18] <stdin> adenicio: beryl or compiz-fusion
[01:18] <adenicio> my card is a via
[01:18] <stdin> BluesKaj: does "file outputfile.wav" show what type it is?
[01:19] <adenicio> stdin: wich is best.and when it install does it show the cube?(where do u activat it?
[01:19] <stdin> adenicio: it may (or may not) work, you could try with XGL
[01:19] <BluesKaj> stdin:  not until conversion is finished
[01:19] <stdin> adenicio: beryl is in the feisty repos, but is no maintained anymore, it's noe part of compiz-fusion
[01:20] <BluesKaj> I think i found the prob
[01:21] <adenicio> stdin: theres no such compiz-fusion in adept
[01:21] <stdin> adenicio: yes, I know. you have to add the repos
[01:22] <easytiger_home> where are the repos?
[01:22] <stdin> adenicio: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion and install "compiz-kde" too
[01:22] <adenicio> stdin: how?
[01:22] <Pazy> I cant make much sense of the stuff posted at bugs.launchpad page. As far as I can tell i need to update the live cd to install with a Sata + IDE. How can I update the installer?
[01:27] <poseidon> I've run out of free space on my home dir, what do I do?
[01:28] <stdin> delete some stuff?
[01:30] <BluesKaj> nope ,still doing it ..
[01:30] <poseidon> But how do I find the big files?
[01:33] <stdin> poseidon: in konsole: du |sort -rnk 1,1 | head
[01:33] <wolferine> ah, find the file hog
[01:33] <wolferine> fun game :)
[01:33] <ubuntu__> what is a prog for linux that can export an .ai file?
[01:34] <ubuntu__> what is a program for linux that can export an .ai file?
[01:34] <stdin> what is an .ai file?
[01:34] <ubuntu__> i forgot what kind of data it contains
[01:34] <ubuntu__> \i think it a vector based file that you draw
[01:35] <stdin> try inkscape maybe
[01:36] <Biovore> .ai is adobe illistrator..
[01:36] <brad_> Hey
[01:36] <jbaerbock> Anyone need any help this evening?
[01:37] <brad_> so I was following the instructions on ubuntuforums to install 64 bit flash
[01:37] <brad_> and I went to install the repository at janvitus
[01:37] <jbaerbock> I gave up on 64 bit OS for now lol
[01:37] <brad_> well I dont mean install, but setup
[01:37] <brad_> and it didnt work
[01:37] <brad_> and now adept wont open
[01:37] <brad_> and it says to put in apt-setup or apt-get update in the command line and neither will work
[01:37] <ubuntu__> i know ai is adobe illustrator, but that doesnt mean other companies dont make exprters for that file aswell
[01:37] <theverant> just installed compiz-fusion - was working fine, now I have no window decorations - any ideas?
[01:38] <brad_> I imagine I have to find a file and erase that from the list of repositories?
[01:38] <ubuntu__> exporters
[01:38] <Dragnslcr> theverant- nVidia card?
[01:38] <stdin> theverant: install "compiz-kde"
[01:38] <jbaerbock> Yeah I have an ATI card beryl doesnt like to even try to work with lol
[01:38] <ZaZaTux> salut
[01:39] <theverant> stdein - yeah, I did
[01:39] <theverant> Dragnslcr: yeah
[01:39] <brad_> so if I need to remove a repository from adept without being able to open adept where is the file at?
[01:39] <stdin> brad_: kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list
[01:39] <brad_> thank you
[01:40] <jbaerbock> brad sadly I dont really know but a work around for now could be to apt-get install synaptic
[01:40] <jbaerbock> synaptic should work even if adept does not and it is generaly easier to use
[01:40] <jbaerbock> most welcome
[01:40] <brad_> well I like adept and have no problems, I just added a repoistory which upset it
[01:41] <stdin> jbaerbock: no, that wouldn't work, if adept was complaining about a source
[01:41] <ubuntu__> thanks for the inkscape, i hope its what i was loooking for
[01:42] <jbaerbock> Anyone as boring as me and like the default Kubuntu Theme so much they left it alone? lol
[01:42] <jbaerbock> oh ok, thanks stdin
[01:42] <ubuntu__> i do!
[01:42] <brad_> I'm not a huge customiser
[01:42] <brad_> I'm going to reset xserver
[01:42] <jsubl2>  I changed the color scheme and wall paper
[01:42] <jbaerbock> I made the bar transparent, and wallpaper thats about it
[01:43] <ubuntu__> i think that video games and apps could run better if there wasnt so much driving the work behind them?
[01:43] <jsubl2> i do like the default style tho
[01:43] <jbaerbock> Anyone change their splash/login screen? And if so where would I find those online?
[01:43] <poseidon> yay, now I have 3 extra g
[01:43] <jbaerbock> me too
[01:44] <jsubl2> so post a screenie poseidon
[01:44] <ubuntu__> i want to name myself orpheis in the kubuntu channel
[01:44] <stdin> ubuntu__: /nick orpheis
[01:44] <stdin> poseidon, jsubl2: my (current) desktop http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/483/image5si1.png
[01:45] <brad_> yeah adept is not loading now
[01:45] <jsubl2> poseidon: what is the app on the upper left karamba
[01:45] <brad_> I guess thats what I get for trying to just remove something from the repository list
[01:46] <jbaerbock> Very nice Poseidon
[01:46] <stdin> jsubl2: superkaramba Aero all in one
[01:46] <jsubl2> nice poseidon
[01:46] <jsubl2> must really like blue alot
[01:46] <jbaerbock> Anyone use a file manager other than Konq?
[01:46] <poseidon> jsub12, jbaerbock: Thankyou very much, I'm very proud of it.
[01:46] <poseidon> :b
[01:46] <stdin> jsubl2: stdin != poseidon
[01:47] <jsubl2> ok stdin
[01:47] <jbaerbock> Blue is the official Kubuntu color afterall :D
[01:47] <poseidon> I have a lovely background (I think) that I never look at, and the pager/kmenu is seperate from the window-list-bar, which autohides
[01:47] <Pazy> I can (re)install Kubuntu. The Live CD Installer keeps freezing at the Detect HDD/File systems but
[01:47] <Pazy> *cant
[01:48] <jbaerbock> Pazy what does your partition table look like?
[01:48] <dawiz> man i cant get anything to install on this box
[01:48] <Pazy> that the fdisk -l    thing?
[01:49] <jsubl2> I got my new mobile phone and I am able to obex push and use wammu for the contacts.  so i guess it is a keeper
[01:49] <jbaerbock> I use Gparted personally, very easy to use GUI for partition management
[01:49] <poseidon> cool, problem fixed, I hope...
[01:49] <jbaerbock> may be something is messed up with your partitions and that is why the Kubuntu LiveCD has issues
[01:49] <BluesKaj> shouldn't have to put up with konq silliness
[01:50] <dawiz> does anyone know how to use the rescue mode on the altern. disk?
[01:50] <poseidon> I didn't notice until vi started complaining about swapfiles every 3 seconds... :/ deleting all of those boring src trees fixed it... 'kay, bye
[01:50] <Pazy> Ok Qparted froze when I clicked the Sata (which has WinXP) but was fine on IDE (with currect Kubuntu install)
[01:50] <jbaerbock> BluesKaj its ok Konq doesnt let me stay logged into the Kubuntu Forum lol so I started using FireFox
[01:51] <jbaerbock> wow, what OS are you using right now?
[01:51] <jbaerbock> oh wait you said QTPArted? that could be why
[01:51] <jbaerbock> In my unfortunate experiences QTParted was nothing but trouble
[01:51] <Pazy> So whats command line option?
[01:51] <jbaerbock> GParted is a Gnome program but is surprisingly better and easier to use
[01:52] <dawiz> the installation failed at configuring the package manager
[01:52] <Pazy> crap qtparted is frozen and wont close :(
[01:52] <jbaerbock> Try to install GParted while using the LiveCD, that worked for me and it worked when QTParted would not
[01:53] <jbaerbock> ok Pazy
[01:53] <jbaerbock> go into Terminal and type xkill
[01:53] <Pazy> will apt-get QTParted work?
[01:53] <shiv_j> what is the difference between i396 and x86_64? What version to download for regular Pentium PCs?
[01:53] <jbaerbock> once you do a crossbones will be your mouse cursor, click on the frozen windows and it will kill it
[01:53] <jbaerbock> not QTParted but GParted
[01:53] <Pazy> Opps i clicked taskbar not window. Too fast for my own good
[01:54] <jbaerbock> but yes apt-get install GParted should work
[01:54] <jbaerbock> hehe it happens
[01:54] <Pazy> couldent find package, is it multiverse or something?
[01:54] <Dragnslcr> shiv_j- i386
[01:55] <jbaerbock> no should be in there
[01:55] <Dragnslcr> shiv_j- x86_64 is for 64-bit processors
[01:55] <jbaerbock> do you have a ubuntu CD or just Kubuntu?
[01:55] <Pazy> Ah you wrote GParted not gparted :D
[01:55] <jbaerbock> because if you have Ubuntu (I know this would be a pain) but Ubuntu with Gnome has GParted by default
[01:55] <Pazy> I have Ubuntu and Kubuntu
[01:56] <shiv_j> Dragnslcr, thanks
[01:56] <jbaerbock> gparted worked then? Yeah I forget terminal is capilization picky lol
[01:56] <Pazy> Ive install GParted, now I just need my taskbar back to load it
[01:56] <jbaerbock> try typing gparted in terminal
[01:56] <jbaerbock> should run it
[01:56] <jbaerbock> yeah xkill is nice but it does kill anything you click on
[01:57] <Pazy> When I loaded Gparted a pop up window said new medium detected
[01:58] <jbaerbock> ok click on do nothing then ok
[01:58] <Pazy> Done that already :D Just wondered if it meant anything
[01:58] <jbaerbock> oh no just letting you know something was mounted
[01:58] <Pazy> GParted dosent seem to be working still Scanning All Devices with the bar at like 0.1%
[01:58] <jbaerbock> give it a bit
[01:59] <jbaerbock> depending on hardware and how partitions are it may take awhile
[01:59] <Pazy> I just seem to be having major problems with 2 Hard drives
[02:00] <jbaerbock> so you are trying to install Kubuntu on one hardrive and have another OS on the other one?
[02:00] <Pazy> The install dialuge is still sitting there at partition screen with no options
[02:01] <Pazy> Kubuntu is already on my IDE (Primary Master) and WinXP is on Sata (Second Master)
[02:01] <Pazy> With DVD at Primary Slave
[02:01] <Pazy> Im REinstalling
[02:01] <jbaerbock> Ok so why are you reinstalling?
[02:01] <Pazy> Cant seem to boot properly, and I think I screwed up Grub while I was trying to fix my other boot problems :(
[02:02] <jbaerbock> Having a problem with the installation of it you already have?
[02:02] <Pazy> yes
[02:02] <jbaerbock> oh ok
[02:02] <Pazy> Gparted is still Scanning all Devices with a tiny blue bar
[02:02] <jbaerbock> yeah i was going to mess with Grub but was told i shouldnt unless i was an advanced linux user, easy to mess up I heard
[02:03] <jbaerbock> hmmm thats no good
[02:03] <jbaerbock> are both HDs internal?
[02:03] <dawiz> the debootstrap program exited with an error (return value1). check /var/log/syslog or see virtual console 4 the details
[02:03] <Pazy> Ive been messing with it for 2 weeks and it worked (but didnt fix problems) until I tried the Super Grub disk which F'd it
[02:03] <Pazy> Yes internal
[02:03] <dawiz> what am i suppose to do there?
[02:04] <jbaerbock> if you have Kubuntu on a hardrive by itself try just wiping the entire HD, would be best way to do it
[02:05] <Pazy> I cant wipe it, cant boot into either OS. Thats why in reinstalling.
[02:05] <dawiz> anybody?
[02:05] <jbaerbock> though gparted is the only program having to do with partitions or formating in linux that i know
[02:05] <jbaerbock> so if that doesnt work i dunno
[02:05] <evri2> guys i have a weird problem with compiz-fusion.Forexampla there are two windows,one of them is behind other and i can see some of the window.When i left click on the behind window it doesn't get focused.I have to click window's title in order to focus it and it really sucks.
[02:05] <Pazy> fdisk -l also tells about partitions but i cant get it to work just now. Maybe cause its a live cd
[02:06] <Pazy> Ill ask on Ubuntu channel as well
[02:07] <dawiz> i guess ill try the live cd next
[02:07] <dawiz> if that doesnt work ill have to use windows i guess
[02:07] <Daisuke_Ido> evri2: try #ubuntu-effects
[02:07] <Daisuke_Ido> dawiz: hmm?
[02:08] <dawiz> ive tried every distro i can
[02:08] <dawiz> nothing installs on this comp
[02:08] <ekrengel> does anyone know how to minimize Evolution Mail to the panel?
[02:08] <evri2> Daisuke_Ido: i am using kubuntu is it alright?
[02:09] <Daisuke_Ido> evri2: should be
[02:09] <Daisuke_Ido> however, the compositing window managers play nicer with gnome at this point
[02:09] <dawiz> its for my gf shes a total noob and if i put slack or something on which will proly install shell be lost and i dont want the headache if configuring slack for her
[02:09] <Daisuke_Ido> definitely give the livecd a shot, it's got a great graphical installer
[02:10] <dawiz> i can install anything
[02:10] <evri2> Daisuke_Ido: and btw something again.When i move cursor to other windows,it selects windows without clicking but doesn't get focused-i mean even if windows is selected(you can do jobs) but it is still behind the other window.
[02:10] <purpleposeidon> dawiz: have you considered updating your girlfriend? ssh in (she probably won't mind if she's your gf) and run `sudo apt-get update`
[02:10] <dawiz> but, nothing ive tried will install on this hardware
[02:10] <Daisuke_Ido> dawiz: anything really odd or non-standard in there?
[02:10] <dawiz> huh?
[02:10] <Daisuke_Ido> as far as hardware
[02:11] <dawiz> its a freah install on the box sitting next to this one
[02:11] <dawiz> nothing to ssh into yet
[02:11] <dawiz> its an old thinkpad
[02:11] <dawiz> dsl-n installed
[02:11] <dawiz> and dsl
[02:11] <Daisuke_Ido> the best i can recommend is googling ubuntu and the model of the thinkpad
[02:11] <dawiz> but wifi in dsl-n wouldnt pull ip for nothin
[02:12] <Daisuke_Ido> i've seen issues with some of the older thinkpad models, i know, but i can't remember exactly what it was right now
[02:12] <dawiz> ive been at this one almost 3 days now
[02:12] <dawiz> lol
[02:12] <dawiz> yeah
[02:12] <dawiz> itll almost finish installing the base system then i get debootstrap errors
[02:13] <dawiz> the debootstrap program exited with an error (return value1). check /var/log/syslog or see virtual console 4 the details
[02:13] <jbaerbock> Trying to setup Beryl what does it mean when it says no composite extension found?
[02:14] <dawiz> i checked md5sum downloaded nother copy, and burned a 4x
[02:14] <dawiz> similar errors again
[02:14] <dawiz> first time it install up to 85%
[02:14] <dawiz> then configuring package manager failed
[02:15] <dawiz> im dling the live cd now
[02:15] <dawiz> maybe it will install
[02:15] <Daisuke_Ido> dawiz: very possible
[02:15] <dawiz> if that doesnt work what other option is there but winblows?
[02:15] <Daisuke_Ido> did you try ctrl-alt-f4 to see what the error was?
[02:16] <Daisuke_Ido> dawiz: there's always BeOS ;)
[02:16] <dawiz> ill look into a thinkpad specific ubuntu
[02:16] <shooter26> hallo jemand aus deutschland da???
[02:16] <Daisuke_Ido> !de | shooter26
[02:16] <ubotu> shooter26: Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[02:17] <shooter26> ich brauche hilfe
[02:17] <dawiz> Be)s is closed source?
[02:17] <dawiz> BeOS*
[02:18] <dyingfromrobbery> to make everthing ave and great running, why cant you serve everyone's desktop and computer environment from the server?
[02:19] <dyingfromrobbery> everywhere on earth?
[02:20] <dyingfromrobbery> i dont want a cut, i can make video games
[02:21] <dyingfromrobbery> you can hold me to this
[02:21] <dyingfromrobbery> can kubuntu do this form me, and microsoft?
[02:22] <mecher> why cant some kubuntu people make it so you serve the operating system off of the servers?
[02:22] <mecher> he said you can hold him too it
[02:25] <morphinex> hey folks, I just can't get the network manager to do anything with my wireless card
[02:25] <morphinex> It worked once and then stopped
[02:28] <kenan> hi, I have a question too. I am a new user of ubuntu. I made a mistake and then gnome desktop started to not run automatically when I start the system.
[02:28] <kenan> and I don't know how to fix
[02:29] <kenan> can anyone help?
[02:29] <hitmanWilly> kenan, what did you do?
[02:30] <kenan> I add KDE desktop env.
[02:31] <kenan> and changed to it
[02:31] <koyo001> could someone help with to connect to removable drive
[02:31] <hitmanWilly> kenan, and it starts kde by default now, instead of gnome?
[02:31] <kenan> no nothing starts
[02:31] <kenan> I am logging in with root and typing gdm
[02:31] <hitmanWilly> kenan, so it just dumps you to a command line, then?
[02:32] <kenan> then starts gnome
[02:32] <RodSteel> Anyone know how to enable knetwork manager to browse the available wireless connections?
[02:32] <kenan> yes
[02:32] <hitmanWilly> kenan, ok, you are root right now?
[02:32] <kenan> no
[02:32] <kenan> user
[02:32] <bob_sinclair> RodSteel: if wireless is set correctly, they will be listed when you right click
[02:32] <kenan> I can switch
[02:32] <kenan> to root
[02:32] <hitmanWilly> kenan, ok, run this in a cmd line: sudo dpkg-reconfigure gdm
[02:33] <kenan> ok
[02:33] <RodSteel> bob - yes, it used to display them then but it does not now
[02:33] <hitmanWilly> kenan, once that runs, try a reboot and see if it fixes the problem
[02:33] <RodSteel> bob - you wouldn't know how to configure it correctly, would you?
[02:34] <jalelousssssssss> ya til kelkun qui parle le fraais
[02:34] <jalelousssssssss> alooo
[02:34] <kenan> I did what you say and I have to reboot now
[02:34] <hitmanWilly> kenan, ok, give it a try
[02:35] <kenan> thank you if it is works :)
[02:35] <hitmanWilly> np :)
[02:35] <RodSteel> can I reinstall knetwork manager or somehow set it back to default?
[02:36] <jalelouSS> i search a channel in french
[02:36] <jalelouSS> plz help me
[02:36] <bob_sinclair> RodSteel: does wireless currently work?
[02:36] <bob_sinclair> !ask
[02:36] <ubotu> Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[02:36] <hitmanWilly> !fr | jalelouSS,
[02:36] <ubotu> jalelouSS,: Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[02:36] <RodSteel> yes, I'm using it currently
[02:36] <jalelouSS> thinks
[02:36] <bob_sinclair> RodSteel: not sure what the problem is then. i would consider filing a bug report
[02:37] <bob_sinclair> knetworkmanager should work dynamicly
[02:37] <RodSteel> I need to get WPA up and working (I can config the router and all, I just can't get the stupid network manager working correctly)
[02:37] <hitmanWilly> RodSteel, do you have wpasupplicant installed?
[02:37] <RodSteel> bob - yeah, it used to.  Now, when i click on it it says 'wired network' in gray
[02:38] <RodSteel> even though I'm using wireless
[02:38] <RodSteel> I even have the wired network disabled
[02:38] <RodSteel> hitmanwilly - my understanding was that it's installed by default with knetwork manager
[02:38] <hitmanWilly> RodSteel, you may want to check that
[02:38] <kenan> hitmanwilly, it is ok now
[02:39] <kenan> thank you again
[02:39] <hitmanWilly> kenan, ok, good
[02:39] <RodSteel> either way though, the wpa issue is, I think, a separate issue from my wireless connection browsing issue
[02:39] <kenan> yes
[02:39] <hitmanWilly> kenan, what that did was reset all the defaults for gdm
[02:40] <kenan> I see
[02:41] <hitmanWilly> RodSteel, and if you want to try that for your box, sudo dpkg-reconfigure knetworkmanager
[02:42] <RodSteel> willy - I checked in the adept manager and can see that wpasupplicant is installed
[02:43] <hitmanWilly> RodSteel, ok, id try a knetworkmanager reconfig then
[02:43] <hitmanWilly> RodSteel, that should reset all the defaults
[02:45] <bob_sinclair> good luck RodSteel. i've found networkmanager to be a live/hate relationship. its handy sometimes but otherwise just inihibits imo.
[02:45] <bob_sinclair> i've had your same situation before, i've always wanted to remove networkmanager from ubuntu, and when you do so networking seems to fail on boot
[02:46] <bob_sinclair> there is no reason for networking to be dependant on an additional binary, but linux loves to make things complicated
[02:46] <hitmanWilly> bob_sinclair, not linux, just ubuntu :P
[02:46] <bob_sinclair> lol
[02:46] <bob_sinclair> yeah i would argue that im a bsd man
[02:46] <flaccid> see!
[02:47] <flaccid> its actually me hitman lol
[02:47] <hitmanWilly> ah hah!!!
[02:47] <hitmanWilly> flaccid, well, i use gentoo most of the time, so im not really one to talk :P
[02:50] <hitmanWilly> flaccid, there's the linux way, the bsd way, and then there's the gentoo way...heh
[02:51] <runlevelten> "I compiled everything without xyz support because I thought I was being clever. How do I run xyz? Oh yeah shucks of course. recompile my DE"
[02:52] <runlevelten> ^the Gentoo way ;)
[02:52] <flaccid> hitmanWilly: ack
[02:52] <flaccid> hitmanWilly: then there is combos like gentoobsd or whatever its called
[02:52] <flaccid> ubuntu could get a bit bloaty if it keeps going the way it is
[02:53] <hitmanWilly> flaccid, nah, i like the linux kernel myself...
[02:53] <flaccid> well linux is just a kernel
[02:53] <hitmanWilly> flaccid, could get?
[02:53] <flaccid> the freebsd kernel kicks it :)
[02:53] <flaccid> ah yeah it already is lol
[02:54] <hitmanWilly> flaccid, i like gentoo simply because its easy to trim down and set up how you want it to
[02:54] <flaccid> i agree
[02:54] <flaccid> its i guess a bit similar to freebsd minimal install which is what i love
[02:56] <hitmanWilly> flaccid, plus i used to compile most everything anyway back in my slack days...
[02:56] <lolachan> I just downloaded and burned kubuntu as a CD image. I popped it into my laptop and started it up. When selecting Start or Install I get "I/O Error reading boot CD." Same when "Check CD for defects" is selected.
[02:56] <hitmanWilly> lolachan, so its probably a bad cd then :)
[02:57] <K-Ryan> !gphone
[02:57] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about gphone - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:57] <flaccid> hitmanWilly: sweet. yeah im a freebsd ports guy :)
[02:57] <hitmanWilly> :)
[02:57] <lolachan> So just burn the iso to another cd, hitmanWilly?
[02:57] <flaccid> its likely either the cd or the cd drive
[02:58] <lolachan> The laptop is brand new.
[02:58] <hitmanWilly> lolachan, did you md5sum the iso before you burned it?
[02:58] <mecher> MANDITORY ANNONOMOUS COMMENT: would secrurity for kubutu computyers work better if you served everything off of the servers?
[02:58] <lolachan> hitmanWilly, no? This is my first time doing this, lol.
[02:58] <lolachan> What does md5sum mean?
[02:58] <flaccid> mecher: ?
[02:59] <hitmanWilly> lolachan, its a way to test the integrity of downloaded files
[02:59] <hitmanWilly> !md5sum | lolachan
[02:59] <ubotu> lolachan: To verify the integrity of a download, use the md5sum - see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HowToMD5SUM for more
[02:59] <lolachan> Thanks.
[02:59] <hitmanWilly> lolachan, if that checks out, try a second burn
[02:59] <lolachan> Thank you very much. :)
[03:00] <hitmanWilly> lolachan, if that doesn't work, you may want to make sure that your laptop's cd drive is even compatible with kubuntu
[03:00] <lolachan> How do I test the file on Windows?
[03:00] <lolachan> And how do I do that?
[03:01] <hitmanWilly> lolachan, not sure, haven't used win for a long time
[03:01] <flaccid> !alternate
[03:01] <ubotu> The Alternate CD (available as of Dapper) is the classical text-mode installation CD. Use it if you wish to upgrade via CD, or for an "expert" mode install. For normal installs, use the Desktop CD, which is also a "Live" CD - See also !Minimal
[03:01] <flaccid> an i/o error does usually mean a physical read error in hardware
[03:01] <lolachan> flaccid, how do I check if my CD drive or whatever is compatible?
[03:02] <flaccid> no idea. they all should be
[03:02] <lolachan> That's what I thought.
[03:02] <hitmanWilly> lolachan, google your laptop brand/model along with kubuntu
[03:02] <dawiz> well in the live cd i click on install on the deskyop but nothing comes up
[03:02] <hitmanWilly> lolachan, or ubuntu,
[03:03] <dawiz> any other way around this?
[03:03] <hitmanWilly> dawiz, you could try the alternate cd, see if that works any better
[03:04] <flaccid> you can always try the alternate cd. no harm in giving that a go
[03:04] <hitmanWilly> heh
[03:04] <delphiN> hi. i have the problem that my wlan-symbol disapeard. any hint to bring it back? (my wlan is still working)
[03:05] <lolachan> When Googling, I came up with a post on ubuntuforums.org, in regards to someone who has the same laptop I do and is currently running the version I just popped into the laptop.
[03:05] <lolachan> So it can't be hardware issues, can it?
[03:05] <hitmanWilly> lolachan, probably not, unless the drive or something else is broken
[03:05] <flaccid> i/o usually suggests hardware input/output error
[03:06] <hitmanWilly> lolachan, the cd is the most likely point of failure
[03:06] <flaccid> stop asking about it and do something!
[03:06] <hitmanWilly> lolachan, either a corrupted download or a bad burn
[03:07] <lolachan> Thank you. I will reburn and see what happens.
[03:11] <mech_er> MANDITORY ANNONOMOUS COMMENT: would secrurity for kubutu computyers work better if you served everything off of the servers?
[03:12] <klobster> mandatory rhetorical statement: is "anonymous" more so when you spell it wrong?
[03:12] <dawiz> man the live cd lags bigtime on my sytem
[03:12] <jalel> help me to install vlc
[03:12] <jalel> i'm new in the world of kubuntu
[03:13] <lolachan> Why do you want to install VLC? (Just out of curiosity.)
[03:13] <dawiz> sudo lalel apt-get install vlc
[03:13] <dawiz> sudo apt-get install vlc*
[03:14] <dawiz> cause vlc is great
[03:15] <Pazy> Ive just reinstalled by unhooking the Sata HDD, now Im back with my original problem of getting Grub to boot WinXP
[03:16] <flaccid> can an operator please ban mech_er
[03:16] <mech_er> whhy?! im trying to be a part of the community
[03:17] <flaccid> howso?
[03:17] <mech_er> what do you mean?
[03:17] <weswh-> trying to install Pidgin (got a fiesty deb package). when i run it it says it needs tcl8.4 and tk8.4 (>= 8.4.5) - i tried apt-get install tcl, and libtcl - no luck..anyone know what I need?
[03:18] <flaccid> how are you trying to be a part of the community?
[03:18] <mech_er> what do you meen?@!
[03:20] <flaccid> dw.
[03:21] <flaccid> weswh-: i don't think those package versions are in the repos
[03:21] <flaccid> weswh-: try #pidgin or #gaim
[03:21] <flaccid> and/or google
[03:23] <mech_er> is there any good conversation going on i canwatch?
[03:24] <lolachan> Only your moms, mech_er.
[03:24] <mech_er> does anyone think it would be a good idea to serve the operating systems off of the servers?
[03:24] <klobster> mech_er: #kubuntu-offtopic
[03:26] <flaccid> try asking a question that makes sense. if you are trolling go somewhere else..
[03:27] <erov> his message makes since
[03:27] <erov> sense
[03:27] <flaccid> dumby terminals?
[03:27] <jalel> !wiki vlc
[03:27] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about wiki vlc - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:27] <erov> but.. it is lost in translation
[03:27] <jalel> !wiki install
[03:27] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about wiki install - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:27] <flaccid> what is he actually asking
[03:27] <jalel> !wiki
[03:27] <ubotu> http://wiki.ubuntu.com - Ubuntu development documentation wiki. If you are looking for system help, please refer to https://help.ubuntu.com/community - the Ubuntu community documentation.
[03:28] <flaccid> thin client? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ThinClientHowto
[03:32] <spacebat> hi, I'm trying to upgrade kubuntu edgy to feisty
[03:32] <dawiz> man
[03:32] <dawiz> im really runnin out of options here
[03:32] <spacebat> and I run into 'An unresolvable problem occurred while calculating the upgrade'
[03:32] <dawiz> lookin like im gonna have to go with winblows
[03:35] <Pazy> Anyone here good with grub?
[03:36] <jalel> help me
[03:36] <jalel> jalel@jalel:~$ sudo apt-get install vlc
[03:36] <jalel> Lecture des listes de paquets... Fait
[03:36] <jalel> Construction de l'arbre des dpendances
[03:36] <jalel> Reading state information... Fait
[03:36] <jalel> E: Impossible de trouver le paquet vlc
[03:36] <jalel> i have an error
[03:37] <flaccid> !pastebin > jalel
[03:37] <jalel> fla
[03:37] <Whitey> hi guys, I'm having problems with my Kubuntu 7.04 (feisty). I reset it 30 minutes ago, and when I try logging in now, it simply goes blank, and returns to the login screen a few moments later
[03:37] <Whitey> I'm able to log in from a shell/ssh
[03:38] <Whitey> I have a feeling that it's something to do with KDE's cache of my last session, however I'm not sure what to delete :P
[03:38] <flaccid> spacebat: would be a really difficult thing to go from. i've been in that situation and i can't even remember what i did to complete the upgrade. i probably removed packages and then install kubuntu-desktop ubuntu-minimal
[03:38] <jalel> plz give me solution
[03:39] <theverant> is there any way to tell Compiz-fusion to run emerald decorations?
[03:39] <spacebat> flaccid: ah, I removed phpmyadmin which was causing the conflict, now I get "Can't install 'kubuntu-desktop'"
[03:39] <spacebat> this is making debian look well honed :)
[03:40] <Pazy> Whats the dpkg command to fix grub? Ive gone blank lol
[03:40] <spacebat> and now apt-get dist-upgrade seems to be working.. weird
[03:41] <Whitey> any suggestions as to my problem guys? :)
[03:41] <flaccid> spacebat: its nothing new to the debian system. all packaging systems have caveats.
[03:41] <flaccid> spacebat: thats pretty much how it goes
[03:41] <flaccid> spacebat: don't do apt-get upgrade, do dist-upgrade only
[03:42] <dawiz> jalel i only read anglish
[03:42] <theverant> 69takes2
[03:42] <dawiz> english*
[03:43] <jalel> i can't speak verry well english
[03:43] <jalel> but u can help me
[03:43] <jalel> ?
[03:43] <Whitey> jalel: try #kubuntu-fr :)
[03:43] <Whitey> not sure if it's official, but it exists
[03:43] <dawiz> not if you cant translate the output to english
[03:44] <Pazy> Can someone help me, I need to know the command to redo grub. Its something like dpkg update-grub, its got dpkg and grub I know that
[03:45] <Whitey> anybody able to answer my question further up? :)
[03:46] <BluesKaj> !grub
[03:46] <dawiz> whitey could be a problen with xserver
[03:46] <ubotu> grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[03:47] <Whitey> dawiz: the login screen loads though, and that's xserver isn't it? =/
[03:47] <dawiz> yeah it is
[03:47] <dawiz> i had the login in kubuntu confused with slack login
[03:48] <dawiz> it does use X
[03:48] <Whitey> I'm attempting to google, but konqueror continually crashes when I try -_-
[03:48] <dawiz> where do you get konqueror from?
[03:48] <Pazy> I think i know what my problem is and I think ive found the solution but I dont know how to implement it
[03:49] <Whitey> I'm on a livecd currently :P
[03:49] <Whitey> kubuntu feisty, 7.04 - same one I installed the OS with
[03:49] <dawiz> try to run in rescue mode
[03:49] <dawiz> ?
[03:50] <Whitey> didn't think of that actually =/
[03:50] <Whitey> rather stupid of me :P
[03:50] <Whitey> but isn't rescue mode just a shell?
[03:51] <Pazy> I think this link will solved my Grub/WinXP problem does someone know how to implement it ? http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/html_node/DOS_002fWindows.html#DOS_002fWindows
[03:51] <dawiz> it is
[03:52] <dawiz> i havent used it much
[03:52] <Whitey> I can already log into a shell :P
[03:52] <dawiz> might allow you to reinstall kde
[03:52] <Whitey> I don't think KDE needs reinstalling =/
[03:52] <dawiz> maybe not
[03:52] <Whitey> I've had a problem like this in the past - not this exact one - and it was simply the session not closing properly
[03:52] <dawiz> but reinstalling will prolly fix the issue
[03:53] <Whitey> seems like a lot of unneeded work, with a good chance of creating more problems :P
[03:53] <dawiz> you dig and research to figure it out
[03:53] <Whitey> I'd love to, but konqueror keeps krashing :P
[03:53] <dawiz> dig and researching or reinstall
[03:53] <dawiz> those would be my choices
[03:54] <dawiz> shouldnt lose any data
[03:55] <nedw> is there an alternative to the restricted drivers manager for kubuntu?
[03:56] <dawiz> maybe upgrading kde would work
[03:56] <dawiz> whitey
[03:56] <Whitey> hmmm
[03:56] <Whitey> how would I go about doing that?
[03:58] <BluesKaj> !restricted
[03:58] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[03:58] <flaccid> that won't do anything
[03:58] <dawiz> what version you runnin whitey?
[03:59] <BluesKaj> nedw:  there is no restricted driver manager in Kubuntu that i'm aware of.
[03:59] <Pazy> Please can someone knowledgeable with Grub help me
[03:59] <dawiz> im not very good with grub
[03:59] <dawiz> minimal experience
[03:59] <level1> Hi guys, there something seriously wrong with my computer.  I've reinstalled, and I still get random hangs and other issues.  Just a few moments ago, I had to hard reboot my computer after it hung, now grub won't start the Operating System
[03:59] <level1> It says "Error 15: File Not Found"
[04:00] <nedw> just setting up my ati card with 3d but i guess i'll just do it manually
[04:00] <Whitey> no idea dawiz :P
[04:00] <Whitey> Kubuntu feisty 7.04, but no idea of the KDE version
[04:00] <Pazy> Theres hundreds of people in this, surely someone is good with GRUB
[04:01] <BluesKaj> nedw: are you running feisty?
[04:01] <dawiz> pazy /join #grub
[04:01] <Pazy> Tried that, like ten people in the room and no one answered in about an hour
[04:02] <nedw> BluesKaj: yes
[04:03] <BluesKaj> nedw then you might be interested in this tutorial :http://www.howforge.com/how-to-setup-fglrx-for-ubuntu-feisty
[04:03] <nedw> BluesKaj: thank you
[04:03] <BluesKaj> what's the prob with grub, Pazy ?
[04:04] <Pazy> It wont boot WInXP, been trying to fix it for 2 weeks
[04:04] <hitmanWilly> Pazy, you need the rootnoverify and chainloader +1 options in menu.lst IIRC
[04:05] <Pazy> I think ive found the solution, i need to do what this link says but I dont know how http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/html_node/DOS_002fWindows.html#DOS_002fWindows
[04:05] <TheCreationist> Can someone tell me where Kopete stores the logs for Yahoo conversations?
[04:05] <dawiz> hmmm
[04:05] <dawiz> whitey i think kde 4 might be out
[04:05] <Pazy> Isnt it just the KDE 4 alpha test?
[04:06] <dawiz> not sure
[04:06] <hitmanWilly> Pazy, its in beta now
[04:06] <dawiz> i think i saw somethin about the release recently
[04:06] <dawiz> yeah
[04:06] <dawiz> beta
[04:06] <Pazy> Ive only tried the live cd from Linux format
[04:06] <Whitey> well either way, I've found a possible solution... I'm going to give it a try :P
[04:06] <Whitey> brb guys ^_^
[04:06] <hitmanWilly> Pazy, ok, do you know anything about setting up grub?
[04:06] <BluesKaj> Pazy:  alt+F2 , kdesu kate /boot/grub/menu.lst
[04:07] <dawiz> btw:http://www.debianadmin.com/upgrade-your-kubuntu-destop-to-kde-355.html
[04:07] <dawiz> whitey
[04:07] <Pazy> Little, but ive got some basic knowledge over the past 2 weeks
[04:07] <dawiz> man i cant get anything to load on this thinkpad
[04:07] <Pazy> BluesKaj: You want me to pastebin it?
[04:07] <dawiz> dsl-n installed
[04:07] <dawiz> thats it
[04:08] <dawiz> and wifi wouldnt pull an ip or even connect to ap for nothin
[04:08] <Jmanfoo> *sigh* i'm just not impressed with lenovo
[04:08] <hitmanWilly> Pazy, yeah, go ahead and pastebin it
[04:08] <Jmanfoo> they're decent i guess, but kinda spartan looking imho :-p
[04:08] <BluesKaj> Pazy: take out the commented #s from the example section where it has windows listed, right down to and including chainloader +1
[04:10] <Pazy> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/32871/
[04:10] <Jmanfoo> dawiz what kinda wifi chip is it?
[04:11] <dawiz> rt61
[04:11] <dawiz> belkin
[04:11] <Jmanfoo> hmm, never tried a belkin under *nix
[04:11] <BluesKaj> aha, also comment out hiddenmenu ...put a # in front of it ..it's hiding grub at bootup
[04:11] <dawiz> ndiswrapper picked up up
[04:12] <dawiz> everything went fine
[04:12] <BluesKaj> Pazy:  also comment out hiddenmenu ...put a # in front of it ..it's hiding grub at bootup
[04:12] <dawiz> except pump
[04:12] <dawiz> operation failed
[04:13] <Jmanfoo> pump?
[04:13] <BluesKaj> sorry for the repeat
[04:13] <dawiz> yeah
[04:13] <dawiz> a program that comes with dsl-n
[04:13] <Pazy> Should i uncomment the default WinXP? Im pretty sure i need a diffrent bit instead of hd0,0, think I need hd1,0
[04:14] <Jmanfoo> Pazy is it on a separate disk, or a separate partition?
[04:14] <dawiz> sdl-n is so small it doesnt have a man page for much including pimp
[04:14] <dawiz> pump*
[04:14] <dawiz> lol
[04:14] <Pazy> Linux is on an IDE, WInXP is on a Sata
[04:14] <Jmanfoo> gotcha
[04:14] <TheCreationist> Can someone tell me where Kopete stores the logs for Yahoo conversations?
[04:14] <Pazy> Think I need this
[04:14] <Pazy> title Windows XP
[04:14] <Pazy>  root (hd1,0)
[04:14] <Pazy>  savedefault
[04:14] <Pazy>  makeactive
[04:14] <Pazy>  chainloader +1
[04:15] <Pazy> Should have pastebin that, woops done it now.
[04:15] <dawiz> creationist: you have to enable it first
[04:15] <robotgeek> TheCreationist: do you have logging enabled?
[04:15] <dawiz> who you tryin to spy on?
[04:15] <dawiz> lol
[04:15] <TheCreationist> robotgeek: Yes, but there is no "History" option when right-clicking on a contact.
[04:15] <hitmanWilly> Pazy, yeah, that looks right, put that down at the bottom, DO NOT just uncomment it
[04:15] <TheCreationist> dawiz: Someone I have a right to spy on ;)  My kid.
[04:16] <robotgeek> TheCreationist: ~/.kde/share/apps/kopete/logs
[04:16] <TheCreationist> robotgeek: Thank you.
[04:16] <dawiz> you have to enable it first
[04:16] <Jmanfoo> TheCreationist, you might also look into logwatch, and have it email those logs to you regularly
[04:16] <dawiz> and then yeah there
[04:16] <dawiz> lol
[04:16] <TheCreationist> Jmanfoo: Is that discreet?
[04:16] <Pazy> I think i need to do the virtual swap thing but I dont know how to actually do it
[04:16] <Jmanfoo> if its on a separate machine
[04:16] <Jmanfoo> it runs completely in the background, so unless your child is a guru l33t haxor i doubt they'd see it
[04:16] <hitmanWilly> Pazy, its XP right?
[04:17] <Pazy> XP proffesion no Service Pack
[04:17] <Pazy> *proffesional
[04:17] <BluesKaj> hitmanWilly: yeah , i should have said that about putting windows at the bottom ..i had to do that myself :)
[04:17] <TheCreationist> robotgeek: There is no /logs/ there.  only "styles"
[04:17] <robotgeek> TheCreationist: probably not enabled then
[04:17] <TheCreationist> robotgeek: Well, I know it's enabled.
[04:17] <hitmanWilly> Pazy, don't worry about it, should work just fine
[04:17] <dawiz> enable then check logs
[04:17] <TheCreationist> robotgeek: At least I thought it was....
[04:18] <hitmanWilly> Pazy, also, you may want to disable timeout, so the menu pops up every time you boot
[04:18] <Pazy> How I do that?
[04:18] <robotgeek> TheCreationist: do you have it enabled in Settings -> History
[04:19] <BluesKaj> and comment out hiddenmenu Pazy, dunno if you caught that
[04:19] <hitmanWilly> Pazy, add a # infront of the timeout 3 line (line 19 in the pastebin)
[04:19] <Pazy> Done that blues
[04:19] <TheCreationist> robotgeek: I have it enabled in the "Configure Plugins" dialog... couldn't find a logging option in the general settings.
[04:19] <BluesKaj> god Pazy
[04:19] <BluesKaj> err good
[04:19] <hitmanWilly> lol
[04:19] <Pazy>  Will it now sit at GRUB till I click?
[04:19] <BluesKaj> :)
[04:19] <hitmanWilly> that's an interesting typo
[04:20] <hitmanWilly> Pazy, once you comment out the timeout cmd, yes
[04:20] <Pazy> Its not a typo
[04:20] <hitmanWilly> lol
[04:20] <Pazy> Ill reset in a min, im installing Nvidia propiatory as well
[04:20] <Jmanfoo> god i LOVE the new nvidia GLX drivers for kubuntu
[04:20] <hitmanWilly> Pazy, ok, :)
[04:21] <Jmanfoo> they make Vista Aero look like caveman drawings
[04:21] <Pazy> Considering Vista was made by a caveman it makes sense lol
[04:21] <Jmanfoo> and i've got an older GeForce
[04:21] <hitmanWilly> Jmanfoo, beryl's been doing that for a long time :)
[04:21] <Jmanfoo> although to be fair, the flip3d thing with aero was cool at first
[04:21] <Jmanfoo> but guess what, after the first 2 days i never used it
[04:22] <hitmanWilly> Jmanfoo, and even e16 looks better than aero
[04:22] <Jmanfoo> my hands are hard-wired for alt-tab :-p
[04:22] <Pazy> alt-tab is one of the single most useful computing features ever invented
[04:22] <Pazy> next to multi tasking
[04:23] <hitmanWilly> Pazy, actually, i remapped mine to alt-space, easier to reach :)
[04:23] <hsatera> anyone here uses mono and can see that http://pastebin.ca/648258
[04:23] <Pazy> That feels soooooo weird to me lol
[04:24] <BluesKaj> is there a linux equivalent to "album wrap" ?
[04:24] <hitmanWilly> Pazy, and my win key brings up an Eterm :)
[04:24] <Jmanfoo> anyone know if there's a voice recognition app for *nix nowadays?
[04:24] <Pazy> Eterm?
[04:24] <hitmanWilly> Pazy, different terminal app, lighter than konsole
[04:25] <Jmanfoo> awww i feel bad, my win key brings up Kmenu
[04:25] <Pazy> Lighter as in less system intensive?
[04:25] <Jmanfoo> i are teh lame
[04:25] <hitmanWilly> Pazy, yep
[04:25] <Pazy> Ive never gotten to the point where I need a less intesive Konsole
[04:25] <Pazy> How do you make win key bring up Kmenu?
[04:26] <hitmanWilly> Pazy, i do use window maker for a DE, tho, so my setup is a little weird :P
[04:26] <Jmanfoo> hahah if windows would implement a tabbed dos prompt, people would crap their pants
[04:26] <Pazy> I prefare the dos prompt to windows
[04:26] <hitmanWilly> Pazy, well, I compile a lot of stuff, so every little bit helps :)
[04:26] <Pazy> Compile as in use source packages?
[04:26] <hitmanWilly> Pazy, yes
[04:27] <hitmanWilly> Pazy, this is from a gentoo box, btw >:)
[04:27] <Pazy> I still dont know how to compile from source, soon as ive fixed boot its next linux thing on my listg
[04:27] <Jmanfoo> compile from source is very easy
[04:27] <Jmanfoo> ./configure
[04:27] <Jmanfoo> make
[04:27] <Jmanfoo> make isntall
[04:28] <Jmanfoo> voila, tasty fresh-baked binaries!
[04:28] <BluesKaj> if the config files amd make files are included
[04:28] <hitmanWilly> Jmanfoo, unless you do it the "proper" debian/ubuntu way and make debs out of it
[04:28] <Pazy> I downloaded Pidgin and dont ,/configure but it poped up something about not being able to compile C or something
[04:28] <robotgeek> sudo apt-get build-dep pidgin is probably a good thing
[04:28] <BluesKaj> build-essential , Pazy
[04:28] <hitmanWilly> Pazy, ubuntu doesn't ship with a compiler by default, you have to manually install it
[04:29] <Pazy> Wish I had know that, do that after Nvidia installs
[04:29] <Jmanfoo> pazy i had a very hard time compiling pidgin on kubuntu, and it ran twice before segfaulting every time
[04:29] <hitmanWilly> Pazy, that'll take a while, btw
[04:29] <Pazy> I couldent find a binary/.deb
[04:29] <Jmanfoo> you're better off finding the deb file
[04:29] <Jmanfoo> hang on i've got the link
[04:30] <Pazy> will build-deb build from source?
[04:30] <hitmanWilly> Pazy, no, but apt-build will
[04:30] <Jmanfoo> http://www.freshnet.org/wordpress/2007/05/05/pidgin-200-for-ubuntu-feisty/
[04:30] <Pazy> Ill try that later, should be easier that manually ./config etc.
[04:30] <hitmanWilly> Pazy, ok, nm, misunderstood the question
[04:30] <Jmanfoo> pazy thats a link to a deb file you can just install
[04:31] <Pazy> Too much stuff lol im waiting on Automatix finishing and reading all this and watching Little Britian
[04:31] <Jmanfoo> hitmanWilly, i didn't realize that was the "proper" way
[04:31] <Jmanfoo> i'm coming to kubuntu from Fedora Core, mostly CL, and for the most part strictly server enviros
[04:32] <hitmanWilly> Jmanfoo, its the way debian/ubuntu want you to do it, so its easier to remove later on, and you don't start running into install issues
[04:32] <Pazy> ERROR: GLXINFO not found. Please check your X11 and/or MESA/OpenGL setup. How do i fix that? Does that mean i need propiatory Nvidia
[04:32] <hitmanWilly> Pazy, installing the nvidia drivers should bring opengl with it
[04:32] <hitmanWilly> iirc
[04:32] <Pazy> So how do I do that? I know nothing lol
[04:33] <Jmanfoo> hitmanWilly, I get around that by installing everything to my own /home/me/bin folder
[04:33] <hitmanWilly> !nvidia | Pazy
[04:33] <ubotu> Pazy: To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[04:33] <hitmanWilly> Jmanfoo, that's one way, you add it to $PATH as well, i assume
[04:33] <Jmanfoo> yup
[04:34] <hitmanWilly> Jmanfoo, honestly, i never mess with building debs either, but i can usually figure out where its putting things :)
[04:35] <Pazy> That link only shows how to do it in Ubuntu
[04:35] <kubuntu> agnoneos
[04:35] <Jmanfoo> hitmanWilly, gotta love adept and installed files!
[04:36] <hitmanWilly> Pazy, try following the 6.10 version, that's the manual way
[04:36] <hitmanWilly> Pazy, or you can apt-get restricted-manager, and then follow the tutorial for feisty
[04:37] <Iradigalesc> Hi! How can I get the latest KVirc development version in Kubuntu?
[04:37] <hitmanWilly> Iradigalesc, compile from source
[04:38] <Jmanfoo> lol
[04:38] <Jmanfoo> afk
[04:38] <hitmanWilly> Iradigalesc, or if they  make a ubuntu pkg for it, download and install that
[04:39] <Iradigalesc> hitmanWilly: Is that what I don't know
[04:39] <Iradigalesc> In the ubuntu repositories is a old version
[04:39] <hitmanWilly> Iradigalesc, have you tried the kvirc web site?
[04:40] <dawiz> creationist still in here?
[04:40] <Iradigalesc> hitmanWilly: They include ftp://ftp.kvirc.net/pub/kvirc/snapshots/debian but is it possible to include this source in /etc/apt/sources.list?
[04:41] <hitmanWilly> Iradigalesc, no, its set up differently
[04:42] <hitmanWilly> Iradigalesc, you'll most likely have to download and install manually
[04:43] <Iradigalesc> ok, if there isn't a best way, I'll compile it, Thanks1
[04:43] <hitmanWilly> brb
[04:44] <Jmanfoo> ah man, everyone at work is so jealous i can mount NFS shares natively :D
[04:45] <Pazy> The bootloader didnt work
[04:46] <Pazy> I think I do need the virtual swap thing
[04:47] <Pazy> hello?
[04:47] <robotgeek> Pazy: how much ram do you have?
[04:47] <Pazy> 1024 (2 512's)
[04:48] <Pazy> Hows that matter?
[04:49] <robotgeek> Pazy: if you have large amount of ram, you can disable swap
[04:49] <robotgeek> 1 GB, maybe maybe-not?
[04:49] <Pazy> Disable what swap?
[04:49] <robotgeek> you mentioned some virtual swap, i assumed the swap partition
[04:50] <Pazy> Apparently If Windows ist First Master then you need to do a virtual hard drive swap to make it think it ist first drive. I found the page on what to do but I dont know how to do it
[04:51] <Pazy> http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/html_node/DOS_002fWindows.html
[04:52] <Pazy> So no one can help? Dammit im f'd
[04:53] <hitmanWilly> Pazy, sorry, never ran into that issue, and i haven't used windows in quite a while
[04:53] <Pazy> Could you look at the link and see if you understand it?
[04:55] <Pazy> hitmanWilly: Pretty Please? :D
[04:55] <hitmanWilly> Pazy, ok, add the two map lines at the beginning of your windows section, minus the grub>, and change the drive numbers to hd(0,0)
[04:56] <Pazy> I dont get it
[04:56] <hitmanWilly> Pazy, all that's doing is telling grub to treat hd0 as hd1, and hd1 as hd0
[04:57] <hitmanWilly> Pazy, ok, after the line title = windows or whatever it is add the following two lines:
[04:57] <hitmanWilly> Pazy, in /boot/grub/menu.lst
[04:58] <hitmanWilly> Pazy, do you have that file open?
[04:58] <Pazy> my grub directory has gone missing
[04:58] <hitmanWilly> Pazy, kdesu kate /boot/grub/menu.lst doesn't work?
[04:58] <Pazy> there is no /boot/grub directory. Its missing
[04:59] <hitmanWilly> Pazy, where are you looking at? konq?
[04:59] <Pazy> Konsole says there is no Grub installation
[04:59] <hitmanWilly> Pazy, wtf?
[04:59] <Pazy> I dont know it says this:
[04:59] <Pazy> suubuntu@ubuntu:~$ sudo update-grub
[04:59] <Pazy> Searching for GRUB installation directory ...
[04:59] <Pazy> No GRUB directory found. To create a template run 'mkdir /boot/grub' first. To install grub, install it manually or try the 'grub-install' command. ### Warning, grub-install is used to change your MBR. ###
[04:59] <BluesKaj> alt+F2 Pazy type: kdesu kate /boot/grub/menu.lst
[05:00] <flaccid> !pastebin > Pazy
[05:00] <Pazy> I know what im doing, I couldent get into Kubuntu cause i messed up the Xconf thing, so im on Live CD. Ill fix that then grub
[05:06] <RodSteel> hey willy, I got knetwork manager working
[05:07] <zimmo_> is sniffing and TCP/IP monitoring the same thing?
[05:07] <hitmanWilly> RodSteel, cool
[05:08] <RodSteel> I installed some other network manager and it uninstalled the knetworkmanager
[05:09] <RodSteel> It didn't work - crashed actually and couldn't get WPA supplicant running so I uninstalled it and installed knetwork manager and it's back working
[05:09] <hitmanWilly> RodSteel, ok then...
[05:09] <RodSteel> zimmo, i don't think so
[05:10] <RodSteel> willy, seems to be a fairly common problem - there are more than a few posts about the same problem on the knetwork manager help page
[05:10] <RodSteel> no helpful responses thus far
[05:11] <hitmanWilly> RodSteel, well, i don't really use it anyway, prefer the old fashioned way myself :)
[05:11] <RodSteel> a cable?
[05:11] <hitmanWilly> RodSteel, cmd line and cfg files :)
[05:12] <RodSteel> i see, i figured you for a pro, that's why i thought I'd let you know how i got it up and running in case someone else asks
[05:13] <RodSteel> i did tamper with some config files, didn't seem to help though
[05:13] <hitmanWilly> RodSteel, usually a dpkg-reconfigure helps in these cases
[05:13] <hitmanWilly> RodSteel, or a purge and reinstall
[05:14] <hitmanWilly> RodSteel, which you basically did
[05:16] <jerware> hi
[05:16] <hitmanWilly> howdy
[05:17] <evri2> guys,does anyone have 7xxx go series graphic card?
[05:17] <IAmWill> i just got rid of my 7800 card
[05:18] <IAmWill> it was giving me trouble
[05:18] <hitmanWilly> evri2, 7600 go on the lappy, what about it?
[05:18] <evri2> hitmanWilly: which driver do you use? Nvidia-glx or nvidia-glx-new?
[05:18] <hitmanWilly> evri2, either one works
[05:19] <RodSteel> willy, i was actually going to try that command but just then the new network manager I'd installed up and crashed the computer when I tried to turn wpa on
[05:19] <hitmanWilly> evri2, i use -new myself
[05:19] <IAmWill> evri2, nvidia-drivers
[05:19] <RodSteel> that command just reinstalls that package?
[05:19] <IAmWill> ohh.. nm
[05:19] <hitmanWilly> IAmWill, this is kubuntu, not gentoo :P
[05:19] <evri2> is it better to install from nvidia.com?
[05:19] <IAmWill> hitmanWilly, =)
[05:19] <hitmanWilly> evri2, no
[05:20] <evri2> well then one question
[05:20] <hitmanWilly> evri2, install from the repos, the installer from the site has some compatibility issues with ubuntu
[05:21] <evri2> hitmanWilly: when it is idle or sth like near that,GPU slows down.What can i do inorder to prevent that.Because of that it slows compiz-fusion effects etc.
[05:21] <hitmanWilly> evri2, not sure, maybe try tweaking around in nvidia-settings
[05:22] <hitmanWilly> evri2, it does that to save power, btw, same thing if you swap to batteries
[05:23] <evri2> hitmanWilly: when in AC mode it slows it down too.Well not a big issue.But i want to try do that.
[05:23] <hitmanWilly> evri2, adjust or disable thermal scaling
[05:23] <hitmanWilly> evri2, i think that's what it is
[05:23] <evri2> hitman what is your cpu byw?
[05:23] <evri2> btw*
[05:24] <hitmanWilly> evri2, intel centrino duo on the lappy, amd 64 on the desk
[05:25] <hitmanWilly> evri2, why do you ask?
[05:25] <evri2> well on laptop(i didn't tried it on desk) windows runs more cooler than (k)ubuntu.Because of that i think i am going to switch to windows again(dual boot not going to delete).
[05:25] <evri2> hitmanWilly: wanted to ask if you have same problem
[05:25] <hitmanWilly> evri2, not really
[05:26] <evri2> hitmanWilly: forexample when you open youtube movies(actually when you use flash player),it uses much more cpu then windwos
[05:26] <hitmanWilly> evri2, i wouldn't know, MS free here :)
[05:29] <evri2> hitmanWilly: blaaa thx anyway.Then i ask another question.How much time do your fan usually need reactive?(i mean when it stops,how much time it takes to re-spin again)
[05:29] <hitmanWilly> evri2, when it stops? mine runs continuously while its on
[05:30] <evri2> lol your laptop fan's run 7/24?
[05:30] <hitmanWilly> evri2, unless its hibernating
[05:30] <evri2> k forget about it
[05:31] <hitmanWilly> evri2, of course i get like 3 hrs of battery life, too :P
[05:31] <evri2> how many cells do your battery have?
[05:31] <evri2> how many cells does your battery have?
[05:31] <hitmanWilly> evri2, not sure, hold on...
[05:31] <evri2> i think sth like 8
[05:32] <IAmWill> does anyone here use (or try to) pcsx?  I am having trouble with that crap lockin up real bad
[05:32] <evri2> it is usually 6 cells but if your fan runs 7/24,it must be over 6 :p
[05:32] <IAmWill> not sure it its a kubuntu compatibility issue or not.... never had trouble with it on the gentoo desktop
[05:33] <draik> I know this is probably the wrong channel, but still... If I want to begin learning Red Hat/Fedora Core, where would I begin?
[05:34] <level1> Hi guys, just want to say, when you lock the screen in the kubuntu liveCD, there shouldn't be a password autentication, considering that nobody knows what the password is
[05:35] <draik> level1: sudo passwd <username> (usually ubuntu)
[05:36] <level1> draik: yes, I know that, but on the liveCD, there shouldn't be a password.  I mean, is a new user going to realize that?
[05:36] <draik> Is a new user going to lock their session?
[05:44] <mm_202> What is the best way to bind universal hotkeys in KDE?  eg: hotkeys what will work at the login screen, in kde, etc.
[05:45] <mm_202> Something equiv to window's RegisterHotKey()
[05:52] <Dragnslcr> mm_202- don't know if they'll work before you've logged in, but you can set hotkeys in System Settings -> Accessibility -> Input Actions
[05:53] <mm_202> hmm, thank you Dragnslcr, I only looked in Keyboard & Mouse.
[05:53] <Dragnslcr> Yeah, it's in a rather odd place
[05:53] <Dragnslcr> You can also set hotkeys for anything in the KMenu
[05:56] <rith> Hi
[05:57] <rith> everyboy
[05:57] <raylu> cli torrent application, anyone?
[05:58] <raylu> woot, rtorrent it is
[06:10] <draik> Why can't VMware Server and Player co-exist?
[06:11] <evri2> do you know how can i stop GPU throllting?(I want my GPU work at full speed)
[06:22] <robotgeek> j #ubuntu+1
[06:29] <evjunior09> If i have WINE, can i use iTunes?
[06:30] <evjunior09> i need iTunes to edit my songs
[06:31] <evjunior09> Hello?
[06:31] <sfire> evjunior09: there are other tools
[06:31] <sfire> evjunior09: audacity works very well
[06:31] <evjunior09> sfire: Like what? I need somthing simple
[06:31] <sfire> well what do you want to do
[06:31] <sfire> ?
[06:32] <evjunior09> I need to edit the start and stop time of the song, put it into Mono, and decrease the bass
[06:32] <sfire> audacity will do that
[06:32] <evri2> +1
[06:32] <evjunior09> Im making ringtones, and if i use them straight from the song, the bass is too loud and i only get one side of the stereo
[06:33] <evjunior09> sfire: is it free?
[06:33] <sfire> yep
[06:33] <sfire> open source
[06:33] <Daisuke_Ido> evjunior09: this is linux.
[06:34] <Daisuke_Ido> nearly everything is free, if not as in speech, then as in beer.
[06:34] <evjunior09> sfire: okay thanks. =D
[06:34] <Daisuke_Ido> audacity will do the job admirably :)
[06:34] <sfire> no problem
[06:36] <evjunior09> sfire: when i imported the song it said:
[06:36] <evjunior09> "Error while opening the sound device, Please check the output device settings & project sample rate:
[06:37] <sfire> evjunior09: do you have the lame codec or whatever codec the file needs?  is it a MP3?
[06:37] <evjunior09> Yeah its MP3
[06:38] <sfire> install LAME and see if it works
[06:38] <sfire> (it will require a restart of audacity)
[06:38] <evjunior09> LAME
[06:38] <evjunior09> ?
[06:38] <sfire> yea... its a mp3 encoder
[06:39] <evjunior09> how do i get it/.
[06:39] <evjunior09> *it?
[06:39] <sfire> sudo apt-get install lame
[06:40] <evjunior09> sfire: says the same thing
[06:40] <evjunior09> i restarted Audacity and everything
[06:42] <sfire> evjunior09: you could convert it to WAV (using LAME) then edit in audacity
[06:42] <ubuntu_> ..
[06:42] <ubuntu_> why?
[06:42] <leus> can anyone help? I want to change my bootscreen (kubuntu 7.04)
[06:43] <zuz> let c
[06:43] <zuz> im new here
[06:43] <Daisuke_Ido> i gathered :)
[06:43] <leus> me 2
[06:43] <robotgeek> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CustomizeKubuntu leus
[06:43] <Daisuke_Ido> "too"
[06:44] <zuz> somebody speaks spanish? jij
[06:44] <robotgeek> !es
[06:44] <ubotu> Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[06:44] <zuz> thanks !
[06:45] <evjunior09> Umm okay i give up. its too confusing. ''/ im not good with that kinda stuff
[06:45] <zuz> why junior?
[06:45] <robotgeek> evjunior09: what are you trying to do?
[06:45] <evjunior09> zuz: because i dont understand the program
[06:46] <JeetKuneDo> take time to understand it
[06:46] <zuz> what do you wanna do?
[06:46] <evjunior09> robotgeek: im trying to edit my song (start, stop time, mono, reduce bass)
[06:46] <zuz> oh o
[06:46] <robotgeek> evjunior09: heh, i dunno anything about that. sorry, i just used it to crop it. i dunno how to adjust bass and stuff
[06:46] <evjunior09> and i can do it on iTunes, but i dont know if it will work on kubuntu
[06:46] <Scorpaen> hey folks
[06:47] <Scorpaen> i have windoze xp in a vmware guest. can get on the net just fiiiine.
[06:47] <Scorpaen> can't access the host via ip onthe lan
[06:47] <Scorpaen> tearing my hair out over it :(
[06:47] <Scorpaen> using gutsy
[06:47] <Scorpaen> well, i can ping the host. can't get to apache or cups
[06:47] <Scorpaen> i NEED cups
[06:47] <Scorpaen> :(
[06:49] <evjunior09> !wine
[06:49] <ubotu> wine is a compatibility layer for running Windows programs on GNU/Linux. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Wine for more information.
[06:49] <Scorpaen> evjunior09: i hope that WINE comment wasn't directed towards me
[06:50] <Scorpaen> :/
[06:50] <IAmWill> i am having problems with sharing libraries.. (libncurses.so.5)... how do i fix these lib problems?
[06:50] <Scorpaen> IAmWill: gutsy or the older one?
[06:50] <evjunior09> Scorpaen: nope. i needed the wiki for WINE, and i was too lazy to google it.
[06:51] <Scorpaen> lol @ evjunior09
[06:51] <evjunior09> lol
[06:51] <IAmWill> Scorpaen, gutsy.. of course =)
[06:51] <Scorpaen> sorry man. i've worked a 9 hour shift. driven 2.5 hours today and i'm in a foul mood
[06:51] <Scorpaen> i've managed to BSOD my xp
[06:51] <Scorpaen> grr
[06:51] <Scorpaen> i just wanna print my resume
[06:51] <Scorpaen> for an inteview in the morning
[06:52] <Scorpaen> openoffice on gutsy is broken
[06:52] <Scorpaen> *Sigh*
[06:52] <Scorpaen> so i whip out the vmware
[06:52] <Scorpaen> and now network fubar
[06:52] <Scorpaen> ask me questions?
[06:52] <Scorpaen> does anyone care?
[06:52] <Scorpaen> i do'nt bite. i just bark
[06:52] <Scorpaen> :P
[06:53] <Scorpaen> hi. my name is Scorpaen. if you give a crap, you can find out my real name very easily
[06:53] <Scorpaen> i'm 32 years old. i work for an ISP in the helldesk. er, helpdesk
[06:53] <Scorpaen> i haven't gotten laid in 2 months
[06:53] <Scorpaen> help. me.
[06:53] <Scorpaen> ehhehe
[06:53] <robotgeek> Scorpaen: we will bash.org you :)
[06:53] <Scorpaen> what, not funny?
[06:54] <Scorpaen> robotgeek: lol
[06:54] <Scorpaen> ok so SOMEONE is alive in here
[06:54] <IAmWill> Scorpaen, this is a kubuntu channel, not a psychiatrist channel.. =)
[06:54] <evjunior09> Umm im lost!!! How do i install a program with WINE?
[06:54] <Scorpaen> IAmWill: ok
[06:54] <Scorpaen> so help me fix my networking?
[06:54] <IAmWill> Scorpaen, not an expert, but i will give it a shot
[06:54] <Scorpaen> IAmWill: that's all i can ask of a man
[06:54] <zuz> 32 years old... interesting ..lol
[06:55] <Scorpaen> zuz: ?
[06:55] <IAmWill> its the least i can do for someone.... .... as desperate as you.. haha
[06:55] <zuz> noting... !
[06:55] <Scorpaen> IAmWill: thanks. i think
[06:55] <Scorpaen> :P
[06:55] <IAmWill> =)
[06:55] <Scorpaen> :P
[06:55] <IAmWill> whats the problem?
[06:55] <evjunior09> anyone here know how to install iTunes with WINE?
[06:55] <zuz> :P
[06:55] <melkor> i downloaded a text file (python code) that I had been working in windows, now I can't use it.  I cut and paste the whole thing and it works
[06:55] <Scorpaen> IAmWill: i can ping from xp in vmware, my desktop. can't get to apache or cups
[06:55] <melkor> but the original file I've deleted everything and it still doesn't run.  any ideas
[06:56] <Scorpaen> IAmWill: obviously my apache works: see http://home.patrickcampbell.us
[06:56] <IAmWill> evjunior09, i dont recommend iTunes.... there are very good progrmas that will allow you to connect your ipod... and more stable
[06:56] <Scorpaen> any ideas?
[06:56] <IAmWill> Scorpaen, stupid question... but its a start
[06:56] <Scorpaen> evjunior09: have you tried Amarok?
[06:56] <Scorpaen> IAmWill: no question is stupid. only unasked ones
[06:56] <Scorpaen> hit me
[06:56] <evjunior09> IAmWill: Well i dont need it for my iPod (I would like it for it tho) but i know how to edit music with iTunes, thats why i need it
[06:57] <evjunior09> Scorpaen: Yes i currently use Amarok for my iPod.
[06:57] <Scorpaen> evjunior09: what do you mean 'edit music'?
[06:58] <Scorpaen> please elaborate...
[06:58] <evjunior09> Scorpaen: Start and stop time, Reduce Bass, Switch from Stereo to Mono (Making ringtones for my new Razr v3m)
[06:58] <intelikey> networking Q   if i setup a linux box as a router with simple ipforwarding can i then also remotely ssh into the router or will it forward to the secondary box ?
[06:59] <Scorpaen> intelikey: uhhhh
[06:59] <Scorpaen> intelikey: tried ipcop?
[06:59] <Scorpaen> i use it
[06:59] <Scorpaen> https://home.patrickcampbell.us:666
[06:59] <Scorpaen> it listens on 222
[06:59] <Scorpaen> my ssh is on other ports
[06:59] <intelikey> !info ipcop
[06:59] <ubotu> Package ipcop does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas
[06:59] <Scorpaen> intelikey: it's a firewall distro
[06:59] <Scorpaen> hit up google
[07:00] <intelikey> Scorpaen anything one linux distro can do another can too
[07:00] <Scorpaen> intelikey: bs
[07:00] <Scorpaen> well
[07:00] <Scorpaen> ok
[07:00] <Scorpaen> i see your point
[07:00] <Scorpaen> but why so much work when it's out there for you??
[07:00] <intelikey> dialup
[07:00] <Scorpaen> i'd say in answer to your question: with iptables - no
[07:01] <IAmWill> Have you turned EVERY type of protection in windows off
[07:01] <IAmWill> ie firewall, internet.. all that crap
[07:01] <IAmWill> i couldnt print to my wifes compy until all that crap was off
[07:01] <Scorpaen> IAmWill: let me check
[07:01] <IAmWill> .
[07:01] <IAmWill> k
[07:01] <IAmWill> now... i am having problems with sharing libraries.. (libncurses.so.5)... how do i fix these lib problems?
[07:02] <IAmWill> stupid epsxe... i just want this bitch to launch so that I can play ff7
[07:02] <Scorpaen> IAmWill: windoze fw is not on
[07:02] <Scorpaen> next question pls
[07:03] <IAmWill> fw off, what about any norton crap
[07:03] <sfire> norton = virus
[07:03] <Daisuke_Ido> watch your language, IAmWill
[07:03] <IAmWill> also, not sure if it matters.. but, i think you need the file print and sharing enabled in the network settings
[07:04] <Daisuke_Ido> IAmWill: i can also solve your psx problem
[07:04] <IAmWill> Daisuke_Ido, cant watch words unless they are writen down, but I wont use vulgar language
[07:04] <IAmWill> =)
[07:04] <Scorpaen> IAmWill: norton is the devil
[07:05] <IAmWill> Scorpaen, was it norton?
[07:05] <Scorpaen> we get calls for it all the time at work
[07:05] <Scorpaen> no sir
[07:05] <IAmWill> okay
[07:05] <Scorpaen> i do'nt use norton products
[07:05] <Daisuke_Ido> IAmWill: this is a text based medium, therefore are written down :P
[07:05] <evjunior09> Scorpaen: soo any ideas?
[07:05] <Scorpaen> i know better
[07:05] <Scorpaen> heh
[07:05] <Daisuke_Ido> in a sense
[07:05] <IAmWill> Scorpaen, thank god
[07:05] <intelikey> howto force displaying of the main bar in mozilla ?
[07:05] <Scorpaen> evjunior09: sorry m8 i got no answer for you
[07:05] <Daisuke_Ido> intelikey: eh?
[07:05] <IAmWill> Daisuke_Ido, good point... you got me  =)
[07:05] <evjunior09> Scorpaen: Okay thanks for your time
[07:05] <Scorpaen> evjunior09: i dont edit music
[07:06] <Scorpaen> if i did, i 'd know
[07:06] <Scorpaen> sorry
[07:06] <intelikey> Daisuke_Ido i want a menu or tool bar or something....
[07:06] <IAmWill> Scorpaen, hrm... lets see.... how are you connecting to the doze box again?
[07:06] <Daisuke_Ido> IAmWill: http://psxemulator.gazaxian.com/
[07:06] <Scorpaen> IAmWill: it's a vmware guest
[07:06] <intelikey> and the page opens without any interface to the app
[07:06] <Scorpaen> IAmWill: i'm in it via the vmware application
[07:06] <Scorpaen> IAmWill: it can ping my host
[07:06] <Scorpaen> but can't hit apache or cups
[07:06] <Daisuke_Ido> intelikey: F11?
[07:07] <IAmWill> Scorpaen, ohh, crap... i thought you were talking about a physical box... i see
[07:07] <IAmWill> Scorpaen, ohh, let me pop open my vmware stuff real quick and help ya
[07:07] <Scorpaen> IAmWill: oh boyyy
[07:07] <Scorpaen> check this out
[07:07] <Scorpaen> i can't see apache listening on port 80
[07:07] <Scorpaen> but you can access this can't you??? http://home.patrickcampbell.us
[07:08] <Scorpaen> what in the tarnation is going on here?
[07:08] <intelikey> Daisuke_Ido that's full screen toggle
[07:08] <IAmWill> Scorpaen, just out of curiosity, why aren't you setting up a network drive and moving between systems
[07:08] <intelikey> tried all the f keys
[07:08] <Scorpaen> IAmWill: need to use cups
[07:08] <Scorpaen> from windows
[07:08] <Scorpaen> cause openoffice is broken in gutsy
[07:08] <Daisuke_Ido> hrmm
[07:08] <Daisuke_Ido> iunno then :\
[07:08] <arun> i just installed a font, but for some reason i cant set it as my default monospace font. help please?
[07:09] <intelikey> hmmm   k.
[07:09] <Daisuke_Ido> Scorpaen: that's because gutsy's in alpha :)  expect brokenness
[07:09] <Scorpaen> k
[07:09] <IAmWill> Scorpaen, not really... you dont HAVE to
[07:09] <Scorpaen> IAmWill: i need to print my resume from openoffice
[07:09] <IAmWill> click on your Virtual MAchine settings, and go to the options tab
[07:09] <Scorpaen> k
[07:09] <IAmWill> under there is the "Shared Folder" option
[07:09] <IAmWill> is it Disabled?
[07:10] <Scorpaen> IAmWill: shareed folder is on and works
[07:10] <Scorpaen> tha'ts how i grabbed my CV
[07:10] <Scorpaen> off the host
[07:10] <Scorpaen> shared folders work np. they use a diff driver than the virtual network
[07:10] <leus> where can i see my theme manager
[07:10] <IAmWill> right
[07:10] <Scorpaen> i will tell you tho - i had trouble compiling vmnet
[07:10] <Scorpaen> i ahd to use a tar file off the net
[07:11] <Scorpaen> perhaps therin lies the problme
[07:11] <melkor> damn this sucks if I download files off of the internet then all of my files are windows text files.
[07:11] <melkor> where as if I ssh they are unix
[07:12] <IAmWill> Scorpaen, yeah... maybe thats it
[07:12] <IAmWill> i never had to get anything from the new to get my vmware working... (besides the package)
[07:12] <IAmWill> it all came in one rpm
[07:12] <Scorpaen> IAmWill: i'm using vmware workstation 6
[07:12] <IAmWill> same
[07:12] <Scorpaen> compiled from source
[07:12] <IAmWill> mine from rpm
[07:12] <Scorpaen> o rly
[07:12] <Scorpaen> how does one use an rpm in gutsy??
[07:13] <IAmWill> and if cups works on your system, i am at a loss
[07:13] <Scorpaen> let's focus on Apache
[07:13] <IAmWill> librpm
[07:13] <Scorpaen> that's easier
[07:13] <Scorpaen> IAmWill: i need to install librpm?
[07:13] <IAmWill> yeah
[07:13] <Scorpaen> windows just bsod'd again
[07:13] <Scorpaen> i'mma try the rpm
[07:13] <Scorpaen> brb
[07:14] <IAmWill> apache... i am not to knowledgable with that
[07:14] <IAmWill> sorry
[07:14] <intelikey> some links in some webpages open a new window and it has no menus or bars     how is that done ?     and is there a way in mozilla to force the menubar to always on ?
[07:14] <puf> i love windows!!!!!!
[07:15] <intelikey> but i kinda a floor man too
[07:15] <Scorpaen> o boy
[07:15] <IAmWill> intelikey, if the code looks malicious, then its blocked
[07:15] <Scorpaen> how do i uninstall something i installed from source??
[07:15] <IAmWill> lol
[07:15] <thunderbolt> Scorpaen: delete it :)
[07:15] <intelikey> IAmWill  ?
[07:15] <intelikey> code looks ????
[07:16] <IAmWill> intelikey, html...php
[07:16] <intelikey> i want to use the menu in mozilla but it's not there,  how to access the menu or even a tool bar ?
[07:16] <IAmWill> intelikey, you should try asking the firefox guys that
[07:16] <Scorpaen> oh i got it. there's a script in the source idr
[07:16] <Scorpaen> yay
[07:17] <IAmWill> Scorpaen, cool, you got the rpm file... or do you have to DL it?
[07:17] <IAmWill> Scorpaen, why does it have to be printed in openoffice?
[07:17] <IAmWill> Scorpaen, second... why dont you just patch the printer to windoze, install oo on your doze and print that why?
[07:21] <Scorpaen> ok apt-get install can't find librpm
[07:22] <IAmWill> Scorpaen, apt-get install librpm4 rpm
[07:22] <Scorpaen> IAmWill: thanks
[07:22] <IAmWill> Daisuke_Ido, ./pSX: error while loading shared libraries: libasound.so.2: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[07:23] <Scorpaen> IAmWill: give me the quick n dirty on using rpm in gutsy, pls
[07:23] <IAmWill> Daisuke_Ido, thats the second lib that is jacked up
[07:23] <arun> how do i install .pcf fonts
[07:23] <IAmWill> rpms are auto-install packages... they are just a double-click install package
[07:24] <intelikey> !rpm
[07:24] <ubotu> RPM is the RedHat Package Management system. Ubuntu uses !APT, not RPM. RPM packages are not supported (the package "alien" can allow installing them, but it's quite dangerous)
[07:24] <IAmWill> alien sucks, you need to use kpackagemanager
[07:25] <Scorpaen> where is kpackagemanager?
[07:25] <Scorpaen> can't find in apt
[07:25] <IAmWill> kpackage
[07:26] <Daisuke_Ido> you should never use rpms, period.
[07:26] <Daisuke_Ido> not in a debian-based distro
[07:26] <IAmWill> once librpm4 and kpackage are installed, rpms will go in just fine
[07:26] <Daisuke_Ido> i stand by my position
[07:27] <IAmWill> Daisuke_Ido, why
[07:27] <IAmWill> Daisuke_Ido, you say its bad, but what exactly does it do
[07:27] <Daisuke_Ido> rpm is an antiquated and peril-frought package system that doesn't handle dependencies nearly as well nor as elegantly as apt
[07:28] <IAmWill> Daisuke_Ido, how so? if the deps are there, the package wont install
[07:28] <Scorpaen> IAmWill: unknown package for the vmwarerpm
[07:28] <Scorpaen> it's sitting in /home/patrick
[07:28] <Scorpaen> :/
[07:28] <IAmWill> in fact, using kpackage, it will even list the deps required for the desired package
[07:28] <Daisuke_Ido> not to mention that rpms are designed for redhat based distros, and where files get put are rather different.
[07:28] <IAmWill> Daisuke_Ido, rpms are converted from source
[07:28] <Daisuke_Ido> rpm is fine for a redhat-bred distro.
[07:29] <Scorpaen> IAmWill: do you have your rpm?
[07:29] <Scorpaen> mines' much smaller than the source gz
[07:29] <Scorpaen> i wonder if my dl is corrupt
[07:29] <Daisuke_Ido> there's a reason the official repositories are debian packaged.
[07:29] <IAmWill> Scorpaen, not anymore, i deleted some time ago
[07:29] <IAmWill> let me check again though
[07:29] <Scorpaen> -rw-r--r-- 1 patrick patrick 190978562 2007-08-07 01:25 VMware-workstation-6.0.0-45731.i386.rpm
[07:29] <Daisuke_Ido> that also happens to be the reason that if you screw something up by using rpms, you're pretty well screwed.
[07:30] <Daisuke_Ido> and not likely to be helped
[07:30] <IAmWill> Daisuke_Ido, right, i dont argue that point, but for packages that aren't listed, there can be exceptions, where it is wrong is that no one wants to support rpms because they have a failsafe with repos
[07:30] <terry__> what's the best way to get kubuntu to play all media files? like divx/avi/mpg etc. with all codecs
[07:30] <arun> How do i install PCF fonts in Kubuntu? they dont seem to be working
[07:30] <IAmWill> terry__, vlc
[07:31] <Daisuke_Ido> sure, for packages that aren't listed, there are usually source packages, you can build your own
[07:31] <Daisuke_Ido> or...  even an installer
[07:31] <IAmWill> Scorpaen, no, i dont have it anymore, you will have to get that from www.vmware.com... just log in and download from your account again
[07:31] <Scorpaen> IAmWill: it md5sum'd ok
[07:31] <Scorpaen> so it's not hte pkg
[07:32] <Scorpaen> what did i do wrong man?
[07:32] <Scorpaen> brb
[07:32] <IAmWill> Scorpaen, just double-click the package
[07:32] <Daisuke_Ido> in how many instances is there absolutely *no* other option than an rpm?
[07:32] <arun> anyone?
[07:32] <IAmWill> arun, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=518152
[07:33] <IAmWill> Daisuke_Ido, like i said.. rpms are converted from source
[07:33] <Scorpaen> IAmWill: it says unknown package
[07:34] <IAmWill> Daisuke_Ido, rpms are not ALWAYS bad, but in some cases, they are easier to use
[07:34] <IAmWill> Scorpaen, right-click, open with kpackage
[07:35] <Scorpaen> IAmWill: rpm is greyed out
[07:35] <Daisuke_Ido> "converted from source"
[07:35] <Scorpaen> in the kpackage settings
[07:35] <IAmWill> Daisuke_Ido, but i have NEVER seen one rpm package screw a *nix box up... the worst i have seen is... the package doesnt install
[07:35] <jlund> Any advice on how to fully encrypt a laptop Kubuntu installation?
[07:35] <Daisuke_Ido> what does that actually mean
[07:35] <Daisuke_Ido> compiled and packaged?
[07:36] <Daisuke_Ido> or did someone wave a magic wand and POOF! the source became an RPM!
[07:36] <IAmWill> Daisuke_Ido, cute  =)
[07:36] <Daisuke_Ido> because i'm thinking it's the former
[07:36] <Daisuke_Ido> and the rpm contains information on where files should be stored
[07:37] <Daisuke_Ido> which are, of course, in non-standard locations for a deb-based system
[07:37] <Daisuke_Ido> not surprising when files can't be found
[07:37] <IAmWill> Daisuke_Ido, i still haven't seen this problem... where else is the /usr dir located...
[07:38] <Scorpaen> IAmWill: maybe i have to reboot
[07:38] <Scorpaen> gah
[07:38] <Scorpaen> cause rpm is greyed out
[07:38] <Scorpaen> what do you suggest?
[07:38] <IAmWill> Scorpaen, hrm... let me see
[07:38] <Daisuke_Ido> Scorpaen: don't use an RPM.
[07:38] <Scorpaen> Daisuke_Ido: source doesn't work
[07:38] <Daisuke_Ido> but that's just me
[07:38] <Scorpaen> it's broken
[07:39] <Scorpaen> IAmWill said it worked for him
[07:39] <Scorpaen> so i am willing to try it
[07:39] <Daisuke_Ido> !worksforme
[07:39] <ubotu> Common Sense: Just because you can, does not mean you should (and especially recommend to others). Think before you do. "Works for me" does not mean it is ok. The latest version of everything is not always useful if you aim for stability. Please see http://geekosophical.net/random/worksforme/
[07:41] <IAmWill> Scorpaen, you have all of the pre-reqs for rpms to work, so why it isnt is beyond me.... did you see what I said earlier about pushing the printer through to doze and install openoffice on your doze?
[07:41] <IAmWill> you can patch pysical hardware into your vmware systems now
[07:41] <Scorpaen> IAmWill:
[07:41] <Scorpaen> i am gonna use source
[07:41] <IAmWill> yeah
[07:41] <Scorpaen> instead of the rpm
[07:41] <Scorpaen> you wanna know why?
[07:41] <IAmWill> oksy
[07:41] <IAmWill> Scorpaen, whats up?
[07:41] <Scorpaen> i googled
[07:41] <Scorpaen> and found this
[07:41] <Scorpaen> http://knihovny.cvut.cz/ftp/pub/vmware/
[07:42] <Scorpaen> there is a patch that according to the forums, works with 2.6.22 kernel
[07:42] <Scorpaen> which is what i'm running
[07:42] <Scorpaen> :D
[07:42] <Scorpaen> brb with results
[07:42] <IAmWill> k
[07:43] <Daisuke_Ido> so you want to install software from an unsupported source on an unsupported kernel...
[07:43] <Daisuke_Ido> this strikes me as an awesomely bad idea AND would void your warantee, were this a company providing support.
[07:43] <Lynoure> Scorpaen: if you want to use vmware, why not get in from vmware site?
[07:44] <Lynoure> Scorpaen: many versions are free there too.
[07:44] <Lynoure> s/in/it
[07:44] <belred> is wordpress the clear winner for open source blog software?
[07:44] <Lynoure> belred: no :) But it's very popular
[07:45] <belred> Lynoure: would you recommend something else?
[07:45] <Daisuke_Ido> b2 was good, i don't know what it's like anymore.
[07:45] <Lynoure> belred: if it does all you want it to do, go for it. It did not do proper securing of the admin side when I chose a blogging software, so I went for Serendipity myself
[07:46] <Lynoure> belred: I have not followed Wordpress after that, so maybe that has changed, or maybe it's not criteria for you.
[07:46] <belred> Lynoure: i'm going to use it in a corporate internet, so i'm not too worried about security since it's on the trusted side
[07:47] <flaccid> yes wordpress is the shiz
[07:47] <flaccid> its web standards too
[07:47] <belred> flaccid: "shiz"??? is that good or bad... :)
[07:47] <lnxkde> hey guys I need a good router that let me limit the bandwith for the wireless conection and the ports if posible
[07:48] <flaccid> very good :)
[07:48] <flaccid> lnxkde: linksys wrt54gl
[07:48] <flaccid> i recommend install the dd-wrt firmware as well (this is a linux router)
[07:49] <sfire> lnxkde: do you use wireless?
[07:49] <lnxkde> is for my sister
[07:49] <lnxkde> so she does nto eat my connection with that (&$%*(&$ myspace
[07:49] <flaccid> ive found this wireless router to be the best out of many i've bought and tried
[07:50] <sfire> there are even better router solutions out there if you want something exotic
[07:50] <sfire> otherwise a wrt54gl will work fine
[07:51] <lnxkde> na a cheep one is ok
[07:51] <lnxkde> just to limit the wireless conection
[07:51] <lnxkde> ;)
[07:51] <lnxkde> buahahaha 7k I will give her
[07:51] <lnxkde> buahahhahaha
[07:51] <sfire> if you use wireless for a little bit more money you can get a TON more range
[07:51] <lnxkde> sfire: like with what?
[07:52] <flaccid> yep this is a cheap one and is good. other wise buy a cisco @ $1k :)
[07:52] <sfire> http://www.wisp-router.com/itemdesc.asp?ic=RB133c&eq=&Tp=
[07:52] <sfire> cisco is really kinda junk as far as wireless goes
[07:52] <sfire> their radios are totally deaf
[07:53] <flaccid> i disagree. we have tested at uni and it kills it
[07:53] <sfire> they also have those boards in different configurations... more ethernet ports and mini-pci ports
[07:53] <flaccid> what form factor are those boards
[07:54] <terry__> anyone have a weird problem when they resize their desktop it screws up everything?
[07:54] <sfire> they sell enclosures for them.. I wouldn't really call them a form factor
[07:54] <sfire> I use them all the time
[07:54] <lnxkde> are this things easy to configure?
[07:54] <sfire> I won't use another router unless I'm totally forced to
[07:54] <sfire> a total snap
[07:55] <sfire> and you can use a real radio
[07:55] <sfire> something with some power and range
[07:56] <flaccid> well it does have a form factor, just don't know what it is
[07:56] <sfire> flaccid: http://www.wisp-router.com/itemdesc.asp?ic=SR2%2D80211bg&eq=&Tp=
[07:56] <sfire> thats one of my favorite radios
[07:56] <flaccid> and yeah once you go some more power from what something like the cisco can do... you break the law
[07:56] <sfire> they also have 900 mhz radios that I use a ton
[07:57] <flaccid> man that mini pci card is fat
[07:57] <sfire> those are NLOS (near line of sight) radios
[07:57] <Neil3> lnxkde: 7k is too genourous imo
[07:57] <flaccid> this is US site, sfire?
[07:57] <sfire> flaccid: yes
[07:57] <flaccid> not a bad price really when you think about it
[07:57] <lnxkde> Neil3: 7kbs ;)
[07:57] <Neil3> ahh
[07:58] <lnxkde> I have 100kbs download
[07:58] <Neil3> kilobits? :)
[07:58] <lnxkde>  Kb
[07:58] <lnxkde> 1Mbps
[07:58] <sfire> flaccid: not for the range you get.. the 900 mhz system I just setup has a solid 2 mile range to a laptop
[07:58] <lnxkde> sucks
[07:58] <lnxkde> but is what in puerto rico you can get for $45 monthly
[07:58] <sfire> would go even further to another of those setups (creating a bridge)
[07:59] <Neil3> that wifi card looks like it'll fry anyone within farting distance of it
[07:59] <sfire> nah
[07:59] <flaccid> in theory yes sfire
[07:59] <sfire> no theory to it
[07:59] <sfire> my furthest link is 32 miles
[07:59] <sfire> 802.11b
[08:00] <intelikey> ok what is the easiest way to convert a list of pages into an html index ?
[08:00] <flaccid> and it didn't do packet loss?
[08:00] <intelikey> flaccid did the ban get lifted ?
[08:00] <flaccid> um
[08:00] <flaccid> lets see
[08:01] <flaccid> hmm thats a negative intelikey ;(
[08:01] <sfire> its a solid 2 megabit connection
[08:01] <lnxkde> I like the card seems powerfull  and It looks extandable with nice antenas :D
[08:01] <sfire> sometimes even higher
[08:01] <sfire> lnxkde: yep :)
[08:01] <sfire> great systems for neighbors wireless also
[08:02] <lnxkde> na old people nearby :s
[08:02] <sfire> you can get SBC (single board computers) with multiple mini-PCI slots
[08:02] <sfire> run multiple radios at once :D
[08:02] <lnxkde> no wireless acces points neat
[08:02] <lnxkde> near
[08:02] <flaccid> sfire: i'll believe it when i see it. and in my country thats totally illegal
[08:02] <michael-3142> hello all
[08:03] <sfire> flaccid: what is illegal and what country?
[08:03] <michael-3142> does anyone now of a program for kubuntu that allows you to send and recieve tty/tdd calls?
[08:03] <flaccid> the strength of the radio in australia
[08:03] <sfire> flaccid: depends on the amount of coax
[08:03] <sfire> they regulate by the emitted power NOT the radio power
[08:04] <sfire> if you have to go through 100 foot of coax you are allowed more power
[08:04] <flaccid> im pretty sure that what you cited exceeds legal strength here
[08:04] <lnxkde> :s I am bured rightnow
[08:04] <lnxkde> :s
[08:04] <lnxkde> I need something good to download now :'(
[08:05] <sfire> michael-3142: like asterisk?
[08:05] <flaccid> sudo apt-get install nexuiz
[08:05] <sfire> michael-3142: oohhh you mean the deaf calling things?
[08:05] <michael-3142> sfire: what is asterisk not familar with it
[08:05] <sfire> asterisk is for VoIP
[08:06] <michael-3142> sfire: yes for the deaf community
[08:06] <sfire> michael-3142: I believe any modem can do it set to the correct settings...
[08:07] <intelikey> flaccid ok you need to /join #ubuntu-ops      and present your case.
[08:07] <michael-3142> sfire: I am on a wireless connection with adsl
[08:08] <intelikey> i think you can get it resolved with out much hassel
[08:08] <lnxkde> flaccid: downloading it :D seems nice
[08:09] <lnxkde> :)
[08:09] <lnxkde> flaccid: thankx
[08:09] <michael-3142> sfire: I find stuff for the blind but not much for that deaf.
[08:09] <sfire> michael-3142: have you tried the windows apps in wine?
[08:10] <sfire> that may be a solution (granted not open source)
[08:10] <sfire> I'm not seeing much out there
[08:10] <flaccid> intelikey: already done that a few times. they won't help with #kubuntu bans
[08:10] <lnxkde> sfire: flaccid thankx for the advice on the routers I will be letting you guys know when I get mine ;)
[08:10] <flaccid> np lnxkde
[08:11] <intelikey> really ?
[08:11] <flaccid> yep, tried it a few times
[08:11] <mayeco> hello
[08:11] <michael-3142> sfire: I am not that familar with the wine sysem
[08:11] <michael-3142> sfire: system
[08:11] <lnxkde> now I am off to bed because I will not be able to go work tomorow If I dont rest
[08:12] <lnxkde> see ya
[08:12] <sfire> michael-3142: basically you just 'sudo apt-get install wine' then try installing your windows application
[08:12] <lnxkde> God bless
[08:12] <sfire> example 'wine programname.exe'
[08:12] <abel05> how knows a command to format with fat32 a usb memory ?
[08:13] <michael-3142> sfire: thaks you I check into it.
[08:13] <sfire> abel05: mkfs ?
[08:13] <vzduch> mkfs.vfat, to be precise
[08:13] <abel05> sfire: thanks
[08:13] <abel05> thanks a lot
[08:20] <flaccid> anyone using cisco vpn client on gutsy?
[08:29] <Tabmow> My laptop is in suspend and now it doesn't come out from suspend, every time I to a cold power off and boot back up it loads into my session and suspends again... any ideas how to get it out?
[08:30] <Tabmow> When I try and turn it on from suspend I get nothing on the screen
[08:31] <Snake>  /wc
[08:33] <pingveno> I forget, what application is used to view data stored in the KDE wallet system?
[08:35] <pingveno> ah, I had it hidden in the system tray
[08:50] <evjunior09> i wanna install a program with WINE. How do i do so?
[08:51] <pag> evjunior09, wine /path/to/installer.exe  then you should hope it works
[08:53] <evjunior09> It says it couldnt install
[08:53] <evjunior09> pag: wine: could not load L"c:\\windows\\system32\\RingtoneSetupMaker.cd": Module not found
[08:56] <pag> evjunior09, and that's how the problems with Wine start - you could try finding that module and placing it under the right directory.. But I'm not sure if that helps you, because there will be next depency probably and so on..
[08:57] <intelikey> you could get all your warez at 127.0.0.1 too ....    but that doesn't help either
[08:58] <intelikey> blackbox: [exec]  error, no menu label and/or command defined
[08:58] <intelikey> exec: 1: bsetroot: not found
[08:59] <ubuntu_> o0
[08:59] <ubuntu_> o/0
[09:01] <possednortherner> man
[09:01] <possednortherner> cn somenbody help me with kubuntu?
[09:02] <pag> !ask | possednortherner
[09:02] <ubotu> possednortherner: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[09:04] <intelikey> i fix   the name is bsetroot.blackbox   probably because i don't use alternatives...   any way   it's fix'ed
[09:07] <undead> hmmm nick is taken...  shucks... looked like a good one..
[09:13] <ebaad> Hi, can somebody help me with blacbox
[09:13] <ebaad> please
[09:13] <ebaad> I just installed the package and want to strat using it on kubuntu
[09:14] <jlund> ebaad: Hold on, let me look
[09:14] <ebaad> thanks for the response
[09:15] <|Cugel|> When Xorg suddenly takes 89% CPU time continuously, is there any way in which I can check what's causing its problems?
[09:16] <jlund> ebaa: So this is sort of a guess as I've never run Blackbox on Ubuntu before, but I would try logging out and when you get to the screen where you type your username and password there should be a little icon that looks like a drop-down menu. If you click this you can select a session. See if Blackbox shows up in that list.
[09:16] <undead> ebaad just choose it at login as your window manager
[09:16] <jlund> ebaad:
[09:16] <ebaad> so you mean start the xserver again and choose it from the list
[09:16] <jlund> ebaad: yeah
[09:16] <ebaad> and it should work
[09:16] <undead> yep
[09:16] <ebaad> oh ok I will give it a shot thanks for the help
[09:16] <undead> i use it all the time
[09:17] <ebaad> if it doesnt work then i will come back
[09:17] <|Cugel|> Hmm I closed one Konqueror window (out of 2) and everything's fine again. Weird stuff.
[09:17] <undead> ebaad and expect to use the mouse on the desktop for the "start menu"
[09:17] <jlund> Ah, too bad he missed that. I used to use Blackbox with Gentoo many years ago
[09:18] <undead> |Cugel| top  or xtop
[09:18] <jlund> That was the most confusing part at first :)
[09:18] <gherring> is there a tool i can use in konqueror to archive a web site besides the 'Web-Archive' tol?
[09:18] <undead> |Cugel| ksystem manager
[09:18] <|Cugel|> undead: I did that, just told me about X. (I use htop which is very nice as well).
[09:18] <|Cugel|> It does reveal that Java is one big resource hog.
[09:19] <undead> yep
[09:19] <gherring> something i can use for 'off-line' web browsing
[09:19] <undead> jlund yeah for some.    but comming from twm it's not :)
[09:19] <kraut> moin
[09:19] <undead> gherring ?    use your browser
[09:19] <gherring> konqueror?
[09:20] <undead> html is html    yes
[09:20] <|Cugel|> You know, it's nice that the system is still responding fine after an uptime of a month. And there's a lot going on on this machine.
[09:20] <undead> |Cugel| yes.
[09:20] <undead> |Cugel| there is no reason it souldn't
[09:21] <undead> shouldn't even
[09:21] <gherring> ok...i'm lost.  how can i use konq to save a web site so i can view it off-line on board a plane from florida to las vegas?
[09:21] <gherring> i have a looooong flite with no internet connection
[09:21] <undead> gherring you may want wget (or kget)  if you want recursive dl
[09:22] <gherring> ok, o have kget....how do i config to get a website?
[09:22] <goodolyankee> i want to learn kubuntu
[09:22] <buck> okay .. another idiot question from a linux idiot .. i have a source list and i want to begin building .. how to i know what module to start with a... and what commands .. looks like c .. whats the fastes way .. thanks
[09:23] <undead> kget idk...         wget -R ###.###.###.###/*    but that's not always a good idea
[09:23] <buck> .. is it the install-sh file
[09:23] <rdygo> Hi, how can i reinstall GRUB. I using live cd now.
[09:24] <whyamiyourloser> i want to learn kubuntu!
[09:24] <gherring> undead:: is there some documentation you can point me to?
[09:24] <undead> buck probably    normally read any all caps file names   README  START.HERE  and so forth
[09:24] <gherring> kget idk'  is that a command in the konsole?
[09:24] <undead> gherring most command/apps have man or info pages    man wget
[09:24] <whyamiyourloser> whos gunna help me?
[09:24] <buck> .. no all caps files.. .. ahh INSTALL.txt .. okay
[09:25] <pag> !ask | goodolyankee
[09:25] <ubotu> goodolyankee: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[09:25] <gherring> kool....thanks undead  :)
[09:25] <undead> gherring   idk = i don't know.
[09:25] <undead> sorry for the irc short hand
[09:25] <buck> okay .. its pointing me to
[09:25] <goodolyankee> can i get girlfriends if i can find out how to do this one question in kubuntu? how do i open kate?
[09:26] <buck> in the main directory type:
[09:26] <buck> aclocal
[09:26] <buck> autoconf
[09:26] <buck> automake
[09:26] <buck> ./configure [options] 
[09:26] <buck> make
[09:26] <buck> okay .. i think i can do that
[09:26] <goodolyankee> no
[09:26] <goodolyankee> thats not the solution!
[09:26] <goodolyankee> ive tried that
[09:26] <pag> goodolyankee, Kmenu -> utilities -> Kate
[09:26] <goodolyankee> whats the clkemu?
[09:26] <undead> goodolyankee  alt+f2 kate
[09:27] <goodolyankee> what is it?
[09:27] <gherring> lol -- ok thx undead.....i have the man page open....is there an escape key to get out without having to close the whole konsole?
[09:27] <goodolyankee> could itake apart a guesss?
[09:27] <goodolyankee> and display it
[09:27] <undead> gherring q
[09:27] <goodolyankee> how do i make use of the syslogger?
[09:27] <gherring> derrrr....ok, thanks
[09:27] <goodolyankee> how do i make use of ksyslog?/
[09:28] <goodolyankee> realy gdhow do i make use from uselessnmess from it?
[09:28] <undead> goodolyankee finsihed?  or do i need to put a stop to this ?
[09:28] <goodolyankee> somebody take a stab at it?
[09:28] <jlund> gherring: still here?
[09:28] <buck> damn .. i am getting errors..
[09:28] <buck> grrr
[09:29] <undead> buck you have build-essential installed ?
[09:30] <gherring> jlund::here
[09:31] <gherring> wget looks like what i need.....is there any front end for it, or is it all konsole?
[09:31] <undead> !ops | would you please show  goodolyankee@c-67-168-167-106.hsd1.wa.comcast.net to the door.   thank you.
[09:31] <ubotu> would you please show  goodolyankee@c-67-168-167-106.hsd1.wa.comcast.net to the door.   thank you.: Help! Riddell, fdoving, Mez, jpatrick, seth_k, apokryphos, nalioth, Hobbsee, robotgeek, imbrandon, gnomefreak, Hawkwind, trappist, LjL, Jucato,  haggai, fooishbar, crimsun, seth, apokryphos, DBO, nixternal or PriceChild!
[09:32] <jlund> gherring: I am going to give you the command. I am just making sure I am getting it right.
[09:32] <ubuntu_> why more blue way?
[09:32] <gherring> jlund::thanks
[09:33] <ubuntu_> how do you use kubuntu to kick ops in the groin?
[09:33] <belal> hey
[09:33] <JRL01192> Anyone here could help a newb that has been infected by a possible worm?
[09:33] <dave_> lol
[09:34] <pag> !ask
[09:34] <ubotu> Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[09:34] <undead> JRL01192 :) heh.   ##windows maybe ?
[09:34] <JRL01192> infected windows nows in Ubuntu 7.04
[09:34] <undead> !virus | JRL01192
[09:34] <ubotu> JRL01192: A/V software is available, however read this to understand why Linux does not have a virus problem: http://librenix.com/?inode=21
[09:35] <gherring> the only reason i ever used A/V in linux was to scan my MS Windows LAN
[09:35] <JRL01192> well my mouse keeps being compromised in Ubuntu.
[09:36] <jlund> gherring: You know how to run commands from a terminal right?
[09:36] <_4strO> gherring: is it possible tu use the linux version and scan a windows partition ?
[09:36] <Tabmow> anyone successfully used samba to print to a windows shared hp officejet 5510?
[09:36] <JRL01192> yeah somewhat
[09:36] <undead> _4strO sure that's about all it's good for
[09:36] <Tabmow> It connects ok, the printer fires up but it never prints - it doesn't drag the paper in ;o(
[09:37] <_4strO> Tabmow: i'm just using cups to share my printer (HP 1510)
[09:37] <gherring> jlund:  yes, i,m not exactly linux newb, just not a pro either
[09:38] <jlund> gherring: This should work
[09:38] <gherring> k
[09:38] <jlund> gherring: wget -E -k -r -p -l 15 website.com
[09:38] <dave_> will the secondlife linux client run under kubuntu?
[09:38] <undead> only been with linux 6 or 7 years
[09:39] <jlund> gherring: The two options on the end are the ones you may want to change. -l controls how many levels deep it will go.
[09:39] <gherring> okee dokee...will research it with the man page I already have up....thanks bud
[09:39] <_4strO> Tabmow: did you try to install your printer on the local pc ?
[09:39] <gherring> sweet, thanks!!
[09:39] <jlund> gherring: Yep. I just tested this with a small site of mine and it got the whole thing and I was able to browse locally.
[09:39] <JRL01192> argh.. something or someone keeps eavesdropping on my OS because my mouse keeps becoming strange like not being able to click but at certian times at night the problem goes away
[09:39] <_4strO> Tabmow: and try to print a test page
[09:40] <gherring> by default it will download it to the directory you run the command in?
[09:40] <_4strO> gherring: yes
[09:40] <undead> gherring yes and it's subdirs   but there is a switch for that too
[09:40] <jlund> gherring: Yeah, by default it will create a new directory for the domain and put it in there.
[09:41] <jlund> gherring: It won't rewrite javascript mouseovers and some other little things so it may not be a perfect mirror of the site. But in most cases it will be plenty good enough for you to read.
[09:41] <gherring> cool....i prefer command line so i can learn to make my own programs one day....thanks guys
[09:42] <jlund> gherring: It also doesn't rewrite until the very last step so if you Ctrl-C before it is finished then the HTML won't link to other pages and the images won't work.
[09:42] <undead> there is also 'wput' for the reverse affect
[09:42] <bssick> i need some help with ksysgaurd, because i have planned never to go back onto campus
[09:42] <bssick> eah, nevermind
[09:44] <rdygo> Hi, how can i reinstall GRUB. I using live cd now.
[09:45] <pag> !grub | rdygo
[09:45] <ubotu> rdygo: grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[09:45] <rdygo> pag:  thx :)
[09:46] <balint> hiho what should i do to make this right: setlocale(LC_ALL, "hu_HU", "hu_HU.iso88592", "hungarian"); in php5? It's working on my online server and on my m$ system, but not on ubuntu (apache5, php5)
[09:46] <balint> it still shows english formats instead of hungarian
[09:47] <balint> hmm?
[09:48] <JRL01192> IS there any possible way I could scan my network for possible suspicious activity?
[09:48] <_4strO> balint: what you want do ? change the defaut charset of your apache server ?
[09:49] <undead> balint not sure there.  possably a syntax error with the first comma ?
[09:49] <balint> undead, no, the syntax is correct, just it doesn't do anything, still english format
[09:49] <undead> JRL01192 several packet sniffers  and a few other apps
[09:50] <gherring> o mi gawd!!  wget rocks!!
[09:50] <_4strO> ^^
[09:50] <balint> _4strO, nope i've successfully changed it from utf8 to iso8859-2, but now i would like to set the locale
[09:50] <balint> _4strO, for time formats, money formats, etc.
[09:50] <_4strO> ok :p
[09:51] <undead> balint (LC_ALL,   <----<< that comma ?
[09:51] <balint> undead, :) the comma is needed because it seperates the arguments ;)
[09:51] <balint> string setlocale ( int category, string locale [, string ...]  )
[09:52] <balint> as i said this is working on 2 other servers, but my newly set up system.
[09:52] <balint> i think i should change something on conf files, but which?
[09:53] <JRL01192> Are there any packet sniffers integrated into Ubuntu because I am pretty new to Ubuntu Distro? If not could I install them directly from Add & Remove or Packet Manager?
[09:54] <undead> install dirrectly     kdesu adept
[09:54] <undead> search in there.
[09:54] <undead> !repos
[09:54] <ubotu> The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[09:54] <undead> in case you have trubble ^
[09:55] <rdygo> hey, i tried re-install GRUB. It listed my kernels , but when I choose one, It gives "Error 15: File not found."
[09:55] <JRL01192> I am defiantly in trouble.
[09:56] <JRL01192> !repos
[09:56] <rdygo> !grub
[09:56] <ubotu> The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[09:56] <ubotu> grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[09:56] <rdygo> ubotu: how can I fix it ?
[09:57] <undead> rdygo /boot/grub/devices.list  match /boot/grub/menu.lst  ?   and correct for your system ?
[09:57] <lnhbg> 
[09:57] <rdygo> ubotu: It gives "Error 15: File not found" in my all kernels, and other OSes.
[09:57] <undead> !bot
[09:57] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[09:57] <lnhbg> ?
[09:57] <rdygo> ubotu: umm, i don't know :)
[09:58] <lnhbg> 
[09:58] <undead> !cz
[09:58] <ubotu> esk uivatele dme, aby mluvili v kanle #ubuntu anglicky. esky je mono se domluvit v #ubuntu-cz. Dkujeme.
[09:58] <undead> nope
[09:58] <undead> !jp
[09:58] <ubotu>  #ubuntu-jp  #kubuntu-jp 
[09:59] <rdygo> ubotu: how can i fix it ?
[10:00] <pag> rdygo, ubotu's a bot - not a real person
[10:02] <pag> rdygo, does your /boot/grub/device.map match your /boot/grub/menu.lst ?
[10:05] <rdygo> pag: :) yes, i think.
[10:06] <rdygo> pag: going for reboot, give me 1 min  :) (or two :) )
[10:06] <pag> rdygo, ok..
[10:13] <cejas> hola
[10:13] <ubuntu__> pag:  it still doesn't work, help me please :)
[10:14] <pag> rdygo, mount your / -partition somewhere
[10:15] <rdygo> !grub
[10:15] <ubotu> grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[10:15] <rotman> !quicktime
[10:15] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[10:15] <rdygo> pag: ok , i m trying :)
[10:15] <pag> rdygo, then see if /boot/grub/device.map and /boot/grub/menu.lst think the same way about your HDs
[10:16] <rdygo> pag: ok , i mounted.
[10:16] <pag> rdygo, so do cat /mount/point/boot/grub/device.map
[10:17] <undead> pastebin the output of   cat /mnt/boot/grub/device.map /mnt/boot/grub/menu.lst       < assuming you mounted on /mnt >
[10:17] <rdygo> (hd0)   /dev/hda
[10:17] <rdygo> (hd1)   /dev/hdb
[10:17] <rdygo> pag:
[10:17] <undead> !pastebin
[10:17] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[10:17] <pag> rdygo, pastebin ( http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org ) your /mnt/boot/grub/menu.lst
[10:18] <hw__> Will Adobe Acrobat Reader run on a AMD64 kubuntu system?
[10:18] <undead> xpdg  kpdf   evince
[10:18] <undead> xpdf that is
[10:18] <rdygo> pag: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/32887/
[10:19] <hw__> undead: acrobat reader not?
[10:19] <hw__> it has to be acrobat reader...
[10:19] <undead> hw__ i can't say on that one.
[10:20] <pag> rdygo, and Ubuntu is at first partition of your second HD, right?
[10:20] <rdygo> pag: yes.
[10:20] <undead> rdygo ok  and you also have linux installed on the other hd ?
[10:20] <rdygo> pag: here my fdisk -l : http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/32888/
[10:21] <rdygo> undead: yes.
[10:21] <undead> ok.
[10:22] <pag> rdygo, strange.. try chrooting to the existing system and installing kernels maybe?
[10:22] <rdygo> pag: i think i can't :( How can i do it ?
[10:23] <pag> rdygo, sudo chroot /mount/point  iirc
[10:24] <rdygo> pag: chroot: `iirc' komutu altrlamad: No such file or directory
[10:24] <undead> rdygo and you get the same error for both the 2.6.22 and the 2.6.20 kernels ?
[10:24] <rdygo> pag: :) It says ; It can't run the command in turkish :)
[10:24] <pag> rdygo, don't enter the iirc :)  just the sudo chroot /mount/point
[10:24] <rdygo> undead: yes, and other OSes.
[10:25] <rdygo> pag: :)
[10:25] <rdygo> pag: ok , i did it.
[10:25] <pag> rdygo, iirc stands for "If I recall correctly" nothing to do with the command
[10:25] <rdygo> :P
[10:25] <rdygo> pag: and now.. ?
[10:26] <undead> rdygo wait,  you are saying that grub gives error 15 on both os installs ???  two different drives ?
[10:26] <rdygo> undead: yes.
[10:26] <undead> let me think here...    bios has re-ordered the drives
[10:26] <rdygo> undead: GRUB gives 15 error for two different OSes in different drives.
[10:27] <undead> reverse the order of hd0 and hd1  in the device.map file
[10:27] <rdygo> undead: ok, wait a minute :)
[10:28] <undead> (hd1)   /dev/hda
[10:28] <undead> (hd0)   /dev/hdb
[10:28] <undead> then try it.
[10:29] <rdygo> undead: ok, reboot :)
[10:29] <Ace2016> what?
[10:29] <Ace2016> isn't /dev/hda (hd0) ???
[10:29] <undead> Ace2016 not if the order has changed
[10:30] <Ace2016> oh, like if you change the order of the drives on the ide cable?
[10:30] <undead> Ace2016 he has two linux os's on two drives and grub is now giving error 15 on both
[10:30] <undead> Ace2016 yep
[10:30] <Ace2016> oh
[10:31] <Ace2016> ubuntu should have been ok with that
[10:31] <Ace2016> since UUID is used
[10:37] <rdygo> !grub
[10:37] <ubotu> grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[10:37] <rdygo> undead: pag: still same problem.
[10:39] <pag> rdygo, hmm.. try to chroot to your ubuntu installation and run sudo update-grub
[10:40] <rdygo> pag: i did, reboot ?
[10:41] <pag> rdygo, yup.
[10:41] <rdygo> pag: Cannot determine root device.  Assuming /dev/hda1
[10:41] <rdygo> i think this is a problem
[10:42] <pag> could be - I just don't know what that means, neither I know any fix
[10:42] <rdygo> it says "This error is probably caused by an invalid /etc/fstab"
[10:43] <mahrellon> Hi, how can I kill X if "sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop" or "init 3/telinit 3" won't let me?
[10:43] <pag> mahrellon, if you're on Kubuntu, you probably use KDM instead of GDM
[10:44] <rdygo> i can't reinstall my grub, please someone help me..
[10:45] <arun> mahrellion: kdm stop instead of gdm stop?
[10:45] <Ace2016> Hi all, what does your   export PKG_CONFIG_PATH     show???
[10:45] <Ace2016> mine is blank
[10:45] <arun> mahrellon*
[10:46] <tkitty> executing grub hdo failed
[10:46] <tkitty> y do i get this error
[10:48] <el_isma> Hi
[10:48] <el_isma> I've a synaptics touchpad on my laptop but it doesn't work. How do I fix it?
[10:49] <holycow> should work automatically
[10:49] <holycow> but
[10:49] <tkitty> el_isma
[10:49] <tkitty> restart ur pc
[10:49] <el_isma> already did
[10:49] <holycow> to start try searching the repos for synaptics drivers there ar epdrivers and packages there
[10:49] <el_isma> I've installed the ksynaptics package
[10:49] <holycow> if thta doesn't fix it automatically you may haveto google a proper synaptics config setting in your xorg.conf file
[10:50] <el_isma> how do I find out which device it is?
[10:50] <holycow> el_isma: do you get the option to turn the touchpad on and off?
[10:50] <el_isma> yes, but it doesn't do anything
[10:50] <tkitty> well
[10:50] <holycow> *hmm*
[10:51] <tkitty> i think u need to enable touch pad el_isma
[10:51] <tkitty> sometimes my laptop touch also doesn work
[10:51] <el_isma> I tried enabling and disabling it, doesn't work
[10:52] <tkitty> r u linux user?
[10:52] <el_isma> me?
[10:53] <tkitty> yeah el_isma
[10:53] <el_isma> yes, I am, why?
[10:53] <rdygo> !grub
[10:53] <ubotu> grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[10:54] <rdygo> I cant reinstall my GRUB, PLEASE someone help me!
[11:02] <rdygo>  i tried re-install my GRUB. it installed, but when i choose a kernel(or other OS) , It gives "Error 15: File not found."
[11:02] <jussi01> hmmm, can someone remind me how to get my computer to see that i have my television connected to the video card?
[11:14] <flaccid> omg
[11:14] <flaccid> someone welcome me back ?
[11:15] <yanchao> 
[11:15] <flaccid> ni hao ma?
[11:15] <flaccid> this is an english chan..
[11:15] <yanchao> 
[11:16] <flaccid> !en
[11:16] <ubotu> The #ubuntu, #kubuntu and #xubuntu channels are english only. For a complete list of channels in other languages, please visit http://help.ubuntu.com/community/InternetRelayChat
[11:18] <flaccid> hmm no welcome back, thats ok
[11:19] <Tm_T> flaccid: maybe people are too shy
[11:19] <aldin> http://pastebin.ubuntu-nl.org/32894/ *** YOU'RE USING autoconf (GNU Autoconf) 2.61.
[11:19] <aldin> *** KDE requires autoconf 2.52, 2.53 or 2.54
[11:19] <aldin>  , what to do?
[11:20] <Lynoure> aldin: what are you compiling?
[11:20] <flaccid> hehe
[11:20] <aldin> one kde style (linspir crystal clear)
[11:20] <MaTiAz> I'm shocked, there's a heart-shaped Gnome sticker on my sister's laptop :(
[11:20] <Lynoure> aldin: I'd start with editing the requirements =)
[11:20] <flaccid> its probably coz of the heart heh
[11:21] <Lynoure> aldin: works surprisingly often
[11:21] <aldin> Lynoure, ok, i will try
[11:21] <MaTiAz> flaccid: Yeah, she never uses Linux :)
[11:21] <flaccid> yeah a forward version is usually alright
[11:21] <flaccid> hehe
[11:21] <flaccid> make kubuntu hearts
[11:22] <aldin> Lynoure, where to look for that requirements file? http://pastebin.ubuntu-nl.org/32895/
[11:22] <dreamer> hi all, I just had another kernel panic .. I've been having these 3-4 times a week for the past 1.5 months .. is anybody willing to help me fix it? because this just can't do :'(
[11:23] <flaccid> !ask > dreamer
[11:23] <Lynoure> aldin: grep for the text :)
[11:23] <flaccid> dreamer: exact problem?
[11:23] <dreamer> flaccid: exact problem: kernal panic
[11:23] <dreamer> kernel*
[11:23] <flaccid> what is kernel panic?
[11:23] <dreamer> exactly what I just said
[11:23] <dreamer> the entire computer freezes
[11:23] <dreamer> can't ssh or w/e
[11:23] <dreamer> bilnking keyboard-lights
[11:23] <aldin> Lynoure, 'grep autoconf *' like that?
[11:23] <flaccid> how do you know its kernel?
[11:24] <flaccid> if the computer freezes entirely its likely to be hardware or software triggering a hardware problem
[11:24] <Lynoure> aldin: no, the message it gave you. You'll have autoconf allover
[11:24] <flaccid> when does it freeze, dreamer?
[11:24] <dreamer> flaccid: well, the freeze + blinking lights was described as a kernel-panic before by some people ..
[11:24] <aldin> Lynoure, it wont grep "*** YOU'RE USING autoconf (GNU Autoconf) 2.61." *
[11:25] <dreamer> flaccid: out of the blue .. no idea on what software
[11:25] <aldin> oops
[11:25] <aldin> Lynoure, hmm it wont even this http://pastebin.ubuntu-nl.org/32895/
[11:25] <flaccid> dreamer: yeah thats a bad term considering no diagnosis was done. it sounds more like a hardware problem or hardware compat problem with a driver or something
[11:25] <aldin> opps
[11:25] <aldin> this -> grep "*** KDE requires autoconf 2.52, 2.53 or 2.54" *
[11:25] <dreamer> flaccid: hmm, ok, how can I find out what exactly happened?
[11:26] <flaccid> dreamer: i guess you can't without some other hint
[11:26] <flaccid> or test with dif kernel or software
[11:26] <dreamer> it has happend after 20 mins or 3 days .. really no idea exactly on what
[11:26] <flaccid> yeah thats 'intermittant' so even harder to find root of problem..
[11:26] <dreamer> :(
[11:27] <dreamer> no logs I could check?
[11:27] <flaccid> yeah its not fun at all
[11:27] <flaccid> you can check /var/log/syslog or /var/log/messages or all logs!
[11:27] <aldin> Lynoure, http://software.linspire.com/pool-src/los/los-linspireclear-style/los-linspireclear-style_1.11-0.0.0.50.linspire0.1.tar.gz
[11:27] <flaccid> a hard crash usually means no ability to log at time of crash, coz it was hard..
[11:29] <dreamer> flaccid: hmm, can't find anything in /var/log/syslog
[11:30] <flaccid> dreamer: i'd expect nothing
[11:30] <flaccid> i can suggest changing video drivers...
[11:30] <flaccid> what you using atm?
[11:30] <dreamer> nvidia
[11:31] <slougi> dreamer: just a hunch, do you have wifi?
[11:31] <dreamer> but if it's just the video I should still be able to ssh or w/e right?
[11:31] <dreamer> slougi: no
[11:31] <flaccid> dreamer: new or legacy or normal?
[11:31] <aldin> how do i set $HOME/bin path, i installed something (with --prefix=$HOME), so?
[11:31] <dreamer> flaccid: er, no idea
[11:31] <flaccid> if its a hard crash, you can't do anything
[11:31] <slougi> aldin: export PATH=$HOME/bin:$PATH
[11:31] <flaccid> unless you are lucky
[11:32] <dreamer> ok, but afaik these drivers have always worked before
[11:32] <flaccid> it depends on what exactly has crashed.. not something you can find out
[11:32] <aldin> slougi, this will work for only one session right?
[11:32] <aldin> is some .bashrc stuff
[11:32] <slougi> aldin: yes, if you want you can add that for example to the end of .bashrc
[11:32] <flaccid> then what changed? the problem may not be the driver, but something else that uses the driver
[11:32] <aldin> slougi, ok
[11:32] <flaccid> changing things could eradicate the problem or do nothing..
[11:33] <dreamer> no idea, like I said, I've been having these "panics" (let's just call 'm that for now ;) ) for a while now
[11:33] <flaccid> yeah... dreamer this is never easy to troubleshoot
[11:34] <dreamer> :(
[11:34] <dreamer> I'd really like to find out wth happens every time, becaus this just isn't good
[11:34] <flaccid> think of it like a detective. what leads do you have? not really any
[11:34] <dreamer> uhuh
[11:36] <flaccid> dreamer: what iRC client you using?
[11:37] <dreamer> flaccid: irssi, it's running on my server ;)
[11:37] <flaccid> sweet
[11:37] <flaccid> check what vid driver xorg.conf is using..
[11:37] <flaccid> and do a dpkg -l | grep -i nvidia and advise which  package/driver you are using
[11:38] <dromer> Driver         "nvidia"
[11:39] <dromer> and I get three hits on the grep
[11:39] <buck> this linux is giving me a headach
[11:39] <flaccid> dromer: what are they (comma separated please)
[11:39] <dromer> haha, stop hitting yourself over the head with your keyboard buck ;)
[11:39] <flaccid> buck: you should try windows
[11:40] <dromer> ii  nvidia-glx                                 1.0.9631+2.6.20.5-16.29                    NVIDIA binary XFree86 4.x/X.Org driver, ii  nvidia-glx-dev                             1.0.9631+2.6.20.5-16.29                    NVIDIA binary XFree86 4.x/X.Org driver devel, ii  nvidia-kernel-common                       20051028+1ubuntu7                          NVIDIA binary kernel module common files
[11:40] <flaccid> dromer: which version of *ubuntu you on?
[11:40] <buck> .. well the easy stuff is easy .. on linux .. which is a big leap forward for all you godz who make linux possible.. but the difficult stuff. is like a brain injury
[11:40] <dromer> feisty
[11:40] <dromer> but this system started as dapper almost a year ago
[11:40] <flaccid> buck: it comes in time i guess
[11:40] <flaccid> np
[11:40] <slougi> buck: define difficult stuff and we might be able to help ;)
[11:40] <maverick> Guys, does anyone know how to set firefox as the global defaut web browser i.e when clicking link in thunderbird it open in firefox instead of Konq....?
[11:41] <buck> well.. i am trying to install the PSX2 program
[11:41] <flaccid> dromer: i would try to rule out the video by changing to nvidia-glx-new
[11:41] <maverick> or i should that in every app on its own?
[11:41] <buck> the sony emutlator
[11:41] <slougi> buck: pcsx2`
[11:41] <slougi> ?
[11:41] <buck> i have a bios.. i found.. since i own a ps2
[11:41] <buck> yeah thats the one
[11:41] <_4strO> maverick: K / system settings / default application
[11:41] <maverick> _4strO: thnx...
[11:41] <dromer> flaccid: change the driver in xorg.conf from nvidia to nvidia-glx-new ?
[11:42] <flaccid> maverick: it depends on the app. some will use their own. _4strO gave you the goods :)
[11:42] <_4strO> )
[11:42] <flaccid> dromer: you need to reinstall the driver, xorg.conf remains the same
[11:42] <buck> now i click on the icon .. it comes up . and says not configured
[11:42] <dromer> flaccid: how do I reinstall it?
[11:42] <buck> i couldnt install it in the location it wanted
[11:42] <flaccid> dromer: um
[11:42] <buck> but i can still get the system up and will ask to configure
[11:43] <flaccid> dromer: sudo apt-get remove nvidia-glx nvidia-glx-dev nvidia-kernel-common && sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx-new nvidia-kernel-common
[11:43] <buck> so i point to the plugin directory .. as it wants me to.. and all the plugins fill up except the graphix on
[11:43] <buck> e
[11:43] <dromer> flaccid: ok, thnx :)
[11:44] <dromer> flaccid: so do I restart after that? or do I only restart X?
[11:44] <dromer> reboot*
[11:44] <flaccid> um
[11:44] <slougi> buck: well, unfortunately i don't know a whole lot about pcsx2
[11:44] <buck> so my question is why is the Graphics not comming up .. my guess is i need to get one..
[11:44] <buck> so i will google this but i am still beating myself up ..
[11:44] <flaccid> you would probably only need to do a sudo rmmod nvidia && sudo modprobe nvidia and also restart X
[11:44] <flaccid> shouldn't need reboot
[11:45] <dromer> what does the rmmod do?
[11:45] <animimotus> hi
[11:45] <flaccid> dromer: remove a kernel mod from ram
[11:45] <flaccid> essentially
[11:45] <dromer> ok
[11:45] <flaccid> ie. load the new one dynamically
[11:45] <dromer> and the modprobe activates it again
[11:45] <flaccid> yep
[11:45] <dromer> :)
[11:45] <gsevil> X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 169
[11:45] <gsevil> Major opcode: 148
[11:45] <gsevil> Minor opcode: 3
[11:45] <gsevil> Resource id: 0x0
[11:45] <gsevil> Failed to open device
[11:46] <dromer> !paste | gsevil
[11:46] <ubotu> gsevil: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[11:46] <buck> it seams easy but just want it to work withough having to get graphix should have been included .. i can understand the bios one .. but the graphix one grrr
[11:46] <pag> !baddevice | gsevil
[11:46] <ubotu> gsevil: If you are receiving an error similar to "X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 168", it can be safely ignored. If you want to get rid of the error messages then please visit this page: http://seerofsouls.com/wiki/How-Tos/BadDeviceErrors
[11:46] <animimotus> I have split an archive in several files, now to obtain it as once I do : cat multivolumeaa multivolumeab multivolumeac > archive.tar.gz              Could I remplace it by a regex? Thx
[11:46] <gsevil> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/32897/plain/
[11:46] <Lynoure> aldin: why are you pointing me to the tar.gz?
[11:47] <buck> i think i need to take some more hydrocodone
[11:47] <dromer> haha
[11:47] <gsevil> sorry, but how to use the paste bin
[11:47] <flaccid> i need some weed myself
[11:47] <buck> wit there may be a videom
[11:48] <buck> oh damn .. looks like for windows .. maybe i will go to my windows system
[11:48] <dromer> flaccid: should I install the suggested packages afterwards?
[11:48] <buck> have you guys ever nocied that .. its a linux box .. but a windows system
[11:48] <buck> hahahha
[11:48] <flaccid> buck: your problem is a psx emulator?
[11:48] <dromer> hmm, I still have a bigass joint lying .. but I'd better not smoke during this week, gotta study for my exams ;)
[11:48] <buck> well the psx2 emu
[11:49] <flaccid> dromer: id install them first, then log out, then reload the kernel mod, then restart X. negating the need for reboot
[11:49] <buck> now my cmputer wants the flash player .. which i already installed .. grrr
[11:49] <flaccid> dromer: much more disciplined than me
[11:49] <dromer> flaccid: what I mean is: the apt install has some suggested packages .. shall I install those as well?
[11:49] <flaccid> flash needs to be set up on per-application basis
[11:49] <buck> should i just do a new kernal config
[11:50] <flaccid> dromer: negative
[11:50] <dromer> ok
[11:50] <flaccid> dromer: it will probably suggest source or something, nothing that you need..
[11:50] <dromer> wel it's suggesting nvidia-settings .. but it didn't get removed in the first place :P
[11:50] <dromer> avm-fritz-firmware-2.6.20-15 nvidia-settings nvidia-new-kernel-source
[11:51] <dromer> gah, my video-card has a 2nd DVI-output .. and I haven't gotten it to work .. maybe I'll work on that later ;)
[11:51] <dromer> so .. no I first log-out is what you say?
[11:51] <dromer> now*
[11:51] <dromer> why is that?
[11:52] <dromer> or do I just do the: sudo rmmod nvidia && sudo modprobe nvidia
[11:53] <flaccid> soz
[11:54] <flaccid> suggestions are only suggestions. they are additional packages that are optional
[11:54] <dromer> soz?
[11:54] <flaccid> sorry soz = sorry
[11:54] <dromer> ok :)
[11:54] <flaccid> nvidia-settings can be handy, but as usual manual conf is usually required of xorg.conf
[11:54] <dromer> but, you said I should log-out first? why is that? or can I do the rmmod and modprobe just now?
[11:55] <buck> grrrr ..
[11:55] <flaccid> dromer: i'd recommend logging out first. otherwise X will try to use nvidia mod while its loaded..
[11:56] <dromer> flaccid: so do I do the rmmod and modprobe from the terminal?
[11:56] <dromer> flaccid: sorry, I just don't really understand what you mean with the log-out ;)
[11:56] <flaccid> yep from a tty
[11:56] <dromer> ok :)
[11:57] <dromer> brb
[11:57] <flaccid> ctrl+alt+f2
[11:57] <aldin> Lynoure, i though u might wanna try to compile this to see what is the catch... but in meantime i got it configured
[11:57] <flaccid> then go back to ctr+alt+f7 and select restart X
[11:57] <aldin> installed automake and autoconf in my $HOME
[11:58] <buck> okay .. i think i may have it in this guide here http://lulug.wordpress.com/2007/05/17/guides-xxihow-install-pcsx2-emulator-sony-playstation-2-on-gnulinux-ubuntu-os/
[11:58] <maverick> !automake
[11:58] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about automake - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:58] <mrksbrd> does anyone know the sudo apt-get install command for java?????????
[11:58] <flaccid> !jre
[11:58] <maverick> mrksbrd: yeah
[11:58] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about jre - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:58] <Aranel> Hey, Kubuntu gives "sda" and "sdb" to my ATA drives. It wa HDA and HDB, I Rebooted it, and it named sda? How can i fix it ?
[11:58] <flaccid> !java
[11:58] <ubotu> To install a Java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java - For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the !Multiverse repository. Enable the backports repository on Edgy to install sun-java6-jre. Please don't use Adept to install Java if you are on Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy) or earlier.
[11:59] <maverick> uboutu :D
[11:59] <flaccid> Aranel: why do you need to fix it?
[11:59] <mrksbrd> haha
[11:59] <Aranel> flaccid: i don't know, i think it may create errors on my system ?
[12:00] <pag> Aranel, that's a new 'feature' introduced in Feisty's kernel - no easy way to fix it.
[12:00] <maverick> mrksbrd: or go to this http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu:Feisty#How_to_install_Java_J2SE_Runtime_Environment_.28JRE.29_v6.0_with_Plug-in_for_Mozilla_Firefox
[12:00] <buck> some one told me theres a much faster java console .. maxload or something
[12:00] <hw__> Can I install kubuntu 7.04 via console? Graphic installer stops responding
[12:00] <pag> Aranel, and it probably won't create any errors if it hasn't done so already
[12:00] <mrksbrd> said "can't connect"
[12:00] <dromer> flaccid: aah, it failed :( (and ssh seems REALLY slow)
[12:00] <flaccid> Aranel: it won't create any errors. its on purpose
[12:00] <buck> dir
[12:00] <buck> oops..
[12:00] <aldin> hw__, yes u can, try kubuntu alternate cd.iso
[12:01] <aldin> not desktop.iso
[12:01] <flaccid> dromer: failed how?
[12:01] <dromer> ERROR: Module 7308 does not exist in /proc/modules
[12:01] <dromer> and 3 other errors
[12:01] <gsevil> I have problem with beryl, I log in to Gnome, then logout, login to KDE then beryl make a mess, I can't see anything in konsole,menu
[12:01] <hw__> aldin: Ok, thx. Got the wrong iso image now... =)
[12:01] <flaccid> dromer: this is from which command
[12:01] <buck> .. okay .. have a question .. says alian command not found !alien
[12:01] <buck> !alien
[12:01] <ubotu> RPM is the RedHat Package Management system. Ubuntu uses !APT, not RPM. RPM packages are not supported (the package "alien" can allow installing them, but it's quite dangerous)
[12:02] <maverick> yeah
[12:02] <buck> do i have to install alien
[12:02] <dromer> flaccid: this is from the; sudo rmmod nvidia && sudo modprobe nvidia
[12:02] <_4strO> buck: then sudo apt-get install alien
[12:02] <maverick> buck: yes
[12:02] <maverick> buck: sudo aptitude install alien
[12:02] <dromer> flaccid: do you want me to type the other 3 ERRORs ?
[12:02] <aldin> hw__, that alternat is old school installer - like in ubuntu 4.10 - 5.10 (or in debian)
[12:02] <flaccid> dromer: does dpkg -l | grep nvidia reveal nvdia-glx-new ?
[12:02] <aldin> so no graphich till u install it
[12:02] <_4strO> gsevil: type beryl-manager & in a terminal
[12:03] <flaccid> aptitude is actually an extension of apt
[12:03] <dromer> flaccid: yes
[12:04] <dromer> aptitude is an (n)curses interface to apt right?
[12:04] <dromer> Ive used it before
[12:04] <buck> i think i am getting more intune with linux.. big headaches but TG for vicodine
[12:04] <buck> helps ease the pain for learning
[12:04] <dromer> haha
[12:04] <maverick> flaccid: from what i know aptitude takes care of your system's sanity more than apt-get
[12:04] <dromer> not too good for your brain though ;)
[12:04] <dromer> maverick: lol
[12:05] <flaccid> maverick: yes and no
[12:05] <buck> but .. i like that there is tons of help both on websites and irc .. again thank you godz for your wealth of linux knowledge
[12:05] <maverick> flaccid: i read, it takes care of the dependenceies when removing packages...
[12:05] <Kasle> do anyone know how to find a CTU theme for kubuntu or ubuntu?
[12:05] <flaccid> maverick: that doesn't equal system sanity
[12:05] <flaccid> :)
[12:06] <flaccid> dromer: if nvidia-glx-new is installed fine, then reboot
[12:06] <gsevil> _4strO, It's still mess. then I have beryl autostart
[12:06] <flaccid> or manually kill kdm then reload the kernel mod then start kdm
[12:06] <dromer> flaccid: ok, I'll try ..
[12:06] <maverick> flaccid: lol, well at least it won't go crazy of unmet dependencies or of some unneeded packages in your system
[12:06] <_4strO> gsevil: autostart for gnome is not same as kde
[12:07] <gsevil> so how do I solve it?
[12:07] <flaccid> maverick: true, but there are other caveats - like there is with every pkg system
[12:07] <maverick> btw, did anyone manages t install KDE 4 beta 1 on his feisty box
[12:07] <_4strO> gsevil: To make beryl start automatically when you log into your KDE session, run  ln -s $(which beryl-manager) ~/.kde/Autostart/ .
[12:07] <maverick> i installed it followed the script instructions and when i logon it logs but no icons appear
[12:07] <maverick> and everything crashes
[12:08] <flaccid> i get window manager already in use or something when i try beryl myself
[12:08] <flaccid> can't find a solution
[12:08] <gsevil> _4strO, I made it too
[12:09] <_4strO> gsevil: i think i dont understand what you want ...
[12:09] <_4strO> is beryl working ?
[12:09] <flaccid> i think gsevil has a far greater problem
[12:09] <flaccid> !beryl > gsevil
[12:09] <gsevil> _4strO, beryl 's working
[12:09] <dromer> flaccid: X freezes at splash
[12:09] <gsevil> it's sometime get mess
[12:10] <_4strO> gsevil: so your problem is to autostart beryl on KDE ?
[12:10] <flaccid> dromer: goto a tty. kill kdm. then do startx and see the problem
[12:11] <gsevil> my problem is, I login KDE, beryl working well, then I logout, login Gnome, and beryl get mess, and vise versa
[12:11] <dromer> flaccid: ERROR: garbage process ID "kdm"
[12:11] <gsevil> I have to restart to make it return normal
[12:12] <gsevil> restart my computer
[12:12] <dromer> flaccid: gdm and xdm don't work either ..
[12:12] <flaccid> dromer: did you do a sudo /etc/init.d/kdm stop
[12:12] <dromer> ok .. no :#
[12:12] <flaccid> do that and verify that there is no ps aux | grep kdm
[12:12] <flaccid> then startx and see error
[12:12] <buck> simple question .. i need to unzip a 7z file .. command line howto thanks in advance
[12:12] <buck> i have the 7z unzipper
[12:13] <flaccid> !7z
[12:13] <ubotu> Files with extensions .tar, .gz, .tgz, .zip, .bz2, .7z, .ace and other archive file formats can be opened with ark - also see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FileCompression
[12:13] <buck> ark doesnt open it
[12:13] <flaccid> command line try google i guess or use the man page
[12:13] <slougi> buck: p7zip -d <filename here>
[12:13] <buck> thank you
[12:13] <dromer> flaccid: failed to load the NVIDIA kernel module
[12:13] <_4strO> gsevil: and beryl get mess <-- you have the beryl manager launched but with the wrong windows manager ?
[12:14] <flaccid> dromer: and you have removed the old nvidia and isntalled nvida-glx-new ?
[12:14] <buck> cool that worked.. grr. should have made a new folder .. hahahha
[12:14] <dromer> wel, I used the apt-commands you gave me .. so yes
[12:15] <flaccid> dromer: have you rebooted? if not i must be wrong, must need to reboot
[12:15] <dromer> flaccid: yes I have rebooted
[12:15] <slougi> buck: yeah most rar, zip, and 7z files are bad that way :)
[12:15] <flaccid> dromer: dpkg -l | grep nvidia
[12:15] <flaccid> dromer: pm result
[12:15] <slougi> people who do tar.gz packets usually get it right
[12:16] <gsevil> _4strO, beryl, with aquamarine
[12:16] <buck> hahaha .. yeah  .. now i ahave a desktop full of S#!t
[12:16] <buck> hahah
[12:19] <buck> its like rewarding .. you can spend like hours on one project when you complete it its like the second time around this will be easy
[12:19] <buck> hahahh a
[12:20] <flaccid> damn straight
[12:21] <buck> goog thing for pharmacuetical medication .. makes learning linux fun
[12:22] <buck> *good
[12:23] <buck> dman its finished.. yes
[12:23] <buck> .. again .. thank you irc channel for the love and support you give all newbs and even vets the time  and assistance
[12:24] <flaccid> give me the illicit stuff
[12:24] <buck> hahah
[12:24] <flaccid> buck: are you all good now?
[12:24] <buck> hey if you dont have a prescription its all illicit .. hahahaha
[12:24] <buck> almost .. i just have to test this .. with this one ps2 disk .. ghost recon
[12:25] <flaccid> well negative
[12:25] <flaccid> but thats getting trivial :)
[12:28] <buck> hahaha
[12:29] <buck> tell you what ... if you are not using a product according to its lable its all illicit
[12:29] <buck> label
[12:29] <flaccid> negative
[12:29] <flaccid> and that depends what country you are in
[12:29] <flaccid> and doesn't make the drug illegal...
[12:29] <flaccid> :)
[12:30] <buck> even my can of raid says its against the law to use this product inconsistant with its labeling .. but raid makes a good flame thrower wouldnt you agree
[12:30] <buck> the only way to kill them critters .. if you are not burning them you are just giving them a free high on your expence
[12:31] <buck> expense
[12:33] <Alloosh> hi all
[12:33] <Alloosh> anybody willing to help me
[12:33] <Alloosh> I have probelm connection two computers together
[12:35] <flaccid> buck: i use chems for pleasure, natural for medicinal. oops.
[12:35] <Alloosh> hello again
[12:35] <buck> flaccid the way the gods intended it
[12:35] <flaccid> lol
[12:36] <Alloosh> anybody know how to share files between 2 computers
[12:36] <flaccid> !samba > Alloosh
[12:36] <Alloosh> thanks for reply flaccid
[12:36] <Alloosh> but it does not let me
[12:36] <flaccid> np
[12:36] <buck> hell look at viargra.. straight pleaure drug .. Erectile Dysfunction .. hell i am 22 and i have ED
[12:36] <buck> hahahh
[12:36] <flaccid> Alloosh: exact problem please
[12:36] <Alloosh> ok
[12:36] <Alloosh> here we go
[12:36] <flaccid> buck: look at my nickname :p
[12:37] <Alloosh> I have ubuntu on one machine, and iam connected to internet
[12:37] <Alloosh> I use dsl router
[12:37] <Alloosh> I have also computer with XP
[12:37] <buck> okay .. dsl routher .. !samba
[12:37] <Alloosh> and I cant share files between them
[12:37] <buck> !samba
[12:37] <ubotu> samba is is the way to cooperate with Windows environments. Links with more info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently and http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/windows-networking.html - Samba can be administered via the web with SWAT
[12:38] <gsevil> do you know about MSS2 video codec?
[12:38] <Alloosh> i have read it all
[12:38] <buck> cool
[12:38] <Alloosh> tried everything
[12:38] <Alloosh> it wont work
[12:38] <buck> thats whats wrong with my ED
[12:38] <flaccid> have you tried smbclient, Alloosh?
[12:38] <Alloosh> can you connect to my comp and see the problem
[12:38] <Alloosh> ?
[12:39] <Alloosh> by the way iam new to ubuntu
[12:39] <flaccid> Alloosh: what exactly is your problem. ubuntu can't connect to xp or ?
[12:39] <Alloosh> yes
[12:39] <flaccid> Alloosh: we could, but thats a security risk
[12:39] <Alloosh> I cant see my xp machine when i go to network
[12:39] <Alloosh> flaccid
[12:39] <Alloosh> you can connect its ok
[12:39] <flaccid> Alloosh: install smb4k then try to browse/mount it with that. if it gives error, let me know the error in the dialog
[12:40] <Alloosh> how to install it
[12:40] <flaccid> Alloosh: i won't sorry. its against policy.
[12:40] <Alloosh> please give me command for the terminal
[12:40] <flaccid> Alloosh: do you use adept ?
[12:40] <flaccid> Alloosh: sudo apt-get install smb4k
[12:41] <Alloosh> installing now
[12:41] <Alloosh> by the way, I love UBUNTU
[12:41] <Alloosh> its a million times better than any windows
[12:42] <flaccid> sweet as
[12:42] <Alloosh> another question
[12:42] <Alloosh> how can i reach the mysql consol
[12:43] <flaccid> use the command mysql
[12:43] <flaccid> eg. mysql -u root -p
[12:43] <cloakable> :)
[12:43] <buck> why is remote assistance against policy .
[12:43] <cloakable> I prefer mysql --user=root -p
[12:44] <flaccid> buck: its against my policy :)
[12:44] <Alloosh> lol flaccid
[12:44] <flaccid> cloakable: lol thats longer
[12:44] <Alloosh> you are developing a good policy here
[12:44] <buck> ahh .. because if something screws up .. yeah .. if i am not getting paid than screwing something up is dangerous.
[12:44] <buck> i feel ya
[12:45] <cloakable> flaccid: Yeah, but mysql sometimes borks with just the -u switch, you have to lead it by hand :/
[12:45] <flaccid> cloakable: never witnessed that
[12:45] <Alloosh> ok flaccid
[12:45] <Alloosh> installed it and still notheing
[12:45] <flaccid> that would technically be a bug :(
[12:46] <cloakable> flaccid: It happens constantly with me :(
[12:46] <buck> alloosh are you in teh US
[12:46] <Alloosh> no
[12:46] <Alloosh> europe
[12:46] <flaccid> Alloosh: run smb4k and try to browse the network
[12:46] <buck> Hungry
[12:46] <flaccid> cloakable: weird
[12:46] <Alloosh> flaccid: i did
[12:46] <flaccid> hungary ?
[12:46] <buck> yeah ..
[12:46] <buck> not i am hungry
[12:46] <flaccid> Alloosh: can you browse the network?
[12:46] <buck> hahah h
[12:46] <Alloosh> no
[12:47] <flaccid> buck: my g/f is a nagy..
[12:47] <flaccid> Alloosh: what happens
[12:47] <buck> yeah .. from nagacistan
[12:47] <Alloosh> n othing
[12:47] <Alloosh> just cant see any of the computers
[12:48] <flaccid> buck: hun is too hard for me in comparison to german
[12:48] <flaccid> Alloosh: goto the configure part
[12:48] <flaccid> and select a master browser or something
[12:48] <flaccid> or alternative
[12:48] <flaccid> do
[12:48] <flaccid> smbclient -NL //10.0.0.1
[12:48] <flaccid> 10.0.0.1 = the ip of your windows machine
[12:48] <Alloosh> how to go to the master browser
[12:48] <buck> you are quite the guru flaccid ..
[12:49] <buck> when i am ready to start connecting my computers i hope you are on
[12:49] <flaccid> buck: yeah and i only got unbanned form this chan today :o
[12:49] <buck> how does one get banned arent you a moderator
[12:49] <flaccid> Alloosh: configure smb4k in toools menu
[12:50] <flaccid> Alloosh: its in the network tab  - some optionss - you probably want to enter your windows ip
[12:50] <buck> upnp .. is it still a security risk?
[12:50] <flaccid> buck: me moderator, lol. helpers are not ops heh
[12:50] <flaccid> buck: only if implemented insecurely
[12:50] <flaccid> well i take that back. helpers are ops and ops are helpers. im just not an op
[12:51] <buck> the new routers that have upnp port forwarding feature .. in your oppinion flaccid is that secure
[12:51] <flaccid> yes
[12:51] <flaccid> the security is in the onus of the server
[12:51] <buck> i am thinkning of getting one.. so i can make port forwarding easy
[12:51] <flaccid> ie. what you port forward to
[12:52] <flaccid> yeah. LAN filtering is the responsibility of the internal firewall in that case
[12:52] <buck> well for gaming and stuff
[12:52] <flaccid> buck: most new ones will do the upnp in that way pretty auto
[12:52] <buck> oh no .. he broke his computer
[12:53] <buck> yeah .. i like that and the games  and programs are taking advantage of that .. however a virus can take advantage ot that too i would imagine and open up the trojan ports
[12:53] <flaccid> negative
[12:53] <buck> and voila .. your system is at risk once again..
[12:54] <flaccid> viruses only exist in windows
[12:54] <flaccid> port vuln is responsiblity of the daemon proces...
[12:54] <buck> .. they exsist everywhere .. just not fun writing a virus for 1 thousand people when i can write one that will effect 1 million people
[12:54] <buck> not i personlally
[12:54] <buck> but the virus makers target the mass not the few
[12:55] <flaccid> eg. if the client program allows something in from that port to run a muck, its the program's fault not the port forward. if you set up the port forward manually, you get the same result..
[12:55] <flaccid> buck: you should learn about unix permissions :)
[12:55] <buck> well i notice that everything i do asks me for permissions
[12:55] <flaccid> a virus can't run without perms. and jack all are linux - its all win32
[12:55] <buck> which is nice.. they are complainig about that on vista ..
[12:56] <flaccid> buck: m$ is trying to claim patent on that
[12:56] <buck> but hands down vista is much more secure than XP
[12:56] <flaccid> or they did
[12:56] <flaccid> yet sudo has been around since 70s
[12:56] <flaccid> ..
[12:56] <flaccid> its more secure, but that doesn't not make it secure
[12:57] <buck> .. not at all because its a target .
[12:57] <JRL01192> so what would explain my Ubuntu telling me that a malicious program is eavesdropping! Everytime I try to update?
[12:57] <buck> and when you have a bullseye on you everyone wants the challenge to exploit
[12:57] <buck> MAC OSX will be the next target .. becuase of all its publicity about how secure it it
[12:57] <buck> is
[12:58] <buck> i like linux i think its secure but not Totally secure
[12:59] <buck> infact i understand that firefox is being exploited moreso than ie7
[12:59] <buck> thats what i heard about 2 months agao
[12:59] <flaccid> JRL01192: i'd work out what program is telling you about the so called eavesdropping
[12:59] <buck> whose evesdropping ?
[12:59] <flaccid> buck: windows is not a true OS. its flawed from the start. nothing like UNIX..
[01:00] <flaccid> buck: the expoit thing is incorrect. please check secunia
[01:00] <buck> it does have its UNIX properties tho
[01:00] <tkitty> hey all
[01:01] <buck> i love this linux .. now that i can play UT2004 on it and UT3 is rumored to have a linux distro i may never go back to windows.. well maybe to view my email
[01:01] <flaccid> buck: only recently. but it doesn't change the other flaws. nt perms is an attempt at unix perms and now they are moving towards unix but calling it something else like spirix or some shit
[01:01] <buck> .. yeah . but apple stole UNIX too
[01:01] <flaccid> buck: why would you go back to windows to read mail lol
[01:01] <buck> .. hahaha h
[01:01] <flaccid> buck: it didn't steal it. it used it. it didn't break any law... it did the right thing
[01:01] <buck> i dont know.. what is a good email client for linuse
[01:02] <flaccid> opera or kmail or thunderbird
[01:02] <flaccid> your choice..
[01:02] <buck> you dont like evolution
[01:02] <flaccid> i use opera
[01:02] <tkitty> executing grub hd0 failed
[01:02] <tkitty> y do i get this error while installlin linux
[01:02] <jono_> jono: dude, would you please stop using my nick
[01:02] <buck> do you use opera broweser too
[01:02] <cloakable> buck: evolution is a groupware suite :P
[01:02] <jono_> jono: I have the nick registered but you STILL keep using it
[01:03] <tkitty> people plz help tkitty
[01:03] <flaccid> buck: i use opera for web and mail - primary
[01:03] <jono_> jono: I can ghost you each time you log on (kill the nick) but its so pointless, but please just choose an alternative
[01:03] <tkitty> mozilla is the best
[01:03] <buck> is opera faster thn FF
[01:03] <runlevelten> evolution has its uses. IMO kmail is the better email client
[01:03] <jono_> jono: so here we go again, ghosting again.....
[01:03] <runlevelten> or thunderbird if you like that sort of thing :)
[01:03] <tkitty> y do i get the error executing grub failed
[01:04] <flaccid> buck: totally faster
[01:04] <buck> and FREE
[01:04] <flaccid> free beer, yes
[01:04] <tkitty> guys
[01:04] <buck> okay .. time to install opera
[01:04] <JRL01192> I don't know who is evesdropping but they have been hard at work for 5 days now recording my keystrokes from 1:00pm-2:30pm, 4:00pm-1:00 am
[01:04] <tkitty> now my turn
[01:04] <runlevelten> Opera is [f] ree.
[01:04] <buck> sudo apt-get install opera ..
[01:04] <tkitty> did u try wyzo
[01:04] <tkitty> u can even download torrents
[01:05] <flaccid> JRL01192: you should probably do something about that
[01:05] <buck> damn i am getting good at that
[01:05] <tkitty> sudo apt-get install wyzo
[01:05] <buck> hahaha
[01:05] <tkitty> wyzo is kwel
[01:05] <flaccid> opera has bt support :)
[01:05] <JRL01192> well I don't know how? they defeated my COmodo FIrewall and AVK antivirus in WIndows now it has infected Ubuntu
[01:05] <flaccid> first web browser to have it actually
[01:05] <buck> oh yeah .. i liek that about opera
[01:05] <runlevelten> kmail is more mature than thunderbird tbh, the ui is stabilised and user-friendly and all the functionality works without issue. If someone was replacing a windows-only mail client I'd give them that.
[01:06] <runlevelten> notwithstanding groupware.
[01:06] <buck> i was amazed on my windows system when i downloaded a torrent and was like wow opera is handling this
[01:06] <flaccid> JRL01192: it sounds like a hacker, not a w32 virus..
[01:06] <buck> kmail ..
[01:06] <JRL01192> I could tell when they are viwing my screen because my mouse starts to not work I view multiple windows
[01:06] <JRL01192> exactly
[01:06] <buck> well JRL would have had to load in a keystroke program
[01:06] <flaccid> JRL01192: then they must have vnc or xcmp access...
[01:07] <buck> really i have had that same problem today
[01:07] <buck> with the mouse
[01:07] <flaccid> buck: yeah the devs are improving the BT support which is good. 9.5 shoudl be a lot better
[01:07] <buck> and now its working fine
[01:07] <flaccid> the question is. how can you be for sure that someone is on your desktop. you need a vnc server..
[01:07] <flaccid> !x11vnc
[01:07] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about x11vnc - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:08] <buck> .. okay .. how can someone be remote viewing me .. if i dont give permisision
[01:08] <flaccid> !info x11vnc
[01:08] <ubotu> x11vnc: VNC server which uses your current X11 session. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.8.2-1 (feisty), package size 438 kB, installed size 1104 kB
[01:08] <flaccid> they cannot by default
[01:08] <flaccid> the point is don't assume i guess
[01:09] <buck> well i am telling you .. that problem he described was like mine earlier .. i would try to switch  to a window and was like my mouse was going whacko
[01:09] <buck> i had very little control of it
[01:09] <JRL01192> Wow! Flaccid! deja vu
[01:09] <flaccid> that doesn't mean that someone is on your computer
[01:09] <runlevelten> JRL01192: What's this about keystroke logging?
[01:09] <buck> what progerams would give remote permissions
[01:09] <buck> i will delete em
[01:09] <runlevelten> None will do that.
[01:09] <flaccid> if you really think that someone is on there, then check your processes and look for arbitary ones..
[01:10] <flaccid> yeah there is no remote assistance bs
[01:10] <JRL01192> I don't know but I definitly know my windows system and UNbuntu systems lagging durring my day hours
[01:10] <runlevelten> You would need to be on the system and set it up, or have a script run that did so.
[01:10] <JRL01192> not lagging during my nght hours
[01:10] <flaccid> JRL01192: that doesn't conclude anything
[01:10] <buck> well not now everything is workign fine but i did have the lagging shit like JR
[01:10] <flaccid> the problem can be something else
[01:10] <buck> where it was difficult to click on windows
[01:11] <runlevelten> JRL01192: That would put assuming a keylogger as the last item in a list about 1000 items long, heh
[01:11] <buck> but its not happening now .. and i have not rebooted at all
[01:11] <flaccid> you are assuming you have the same problem
[01:11] <flaccid> that behaviour could be the same for 100 problems
[01:11] <buck> okay .. ealier about the times hes mentioning .. my mouse was eratic
[01:11] <JRL01192> hmm
[01:11] <buck> and i have not rebooted .. and now its workign fine
[01:11] <JRL01192> exactyly I have same problem as buc
[01:11] <buck> i even replaced my batteries.. etc etc
[01:12] <flaccid> its like a court of law.. you have to prove via evidence
[01:12] <runlevelten> People come from windows, you see. They assume everything's nicking their credit card details because that's what they're used to.
[01:12] <JRL01192> but I don't wire mouse
[01:12] <buck> i just figured it was my building
[01:12] <JRL01192> I mean I have a wire mouse
[01:12] <buck> of programs
[01:12] <flaccid> mouse can be dirty
[01:12] <buck> but now that he mentioned that .. hmm
[01:12] <flaccid> thats a big one
[01:12] <buck> yeah .. but all of a sudden its working fine
[01:13] <buck> without cleaning using the same mouse pad.
[01:13] <flaccid> it would be stupid to assume that if your mouse misbehaves.. someone is on your system 'hacking'
[01:13] <runlevelten> probably a cron job then.
[01:13] <buck> cron .. what is cron
[01:13] <flaccid> could be anything
[01:13] <flaccid> mouse works on interrupts
[01:13] <buck> yeah .. it can be ..
[01:13] <flaccid> and yes cron will interupt memory/cpu at least in this casd
[01:13] <flaccid> case
[01:13] <buck> but its strange that its working fine
[01:13] <buck> what is cron?
[01:13] <JRL01192> lol it is not just the mouse, my mouse goes eccentric, my cpu start to hog, I can't exit windows both in ubuntu and windows
[01:13] <flaccid> things are strange until identified..
[01:14] <buck> i will know if i was running a corn proccess or not
[01:14] <flaccid> JRL01192: you probably have a hardware issue
[01:14] <flaccid> !cron
[01:14] <ubotu> cron is a way to schedule execution of software/scripts. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CronHowto  -  There is also a decent Howto at http://www.tech-geeks.org/contrib/mdrone/cron&crontab-howto.htm
[01:14] <buck> yeah .. but its working fine now flaccid..
[01:14] <runlevelten> building slocate, or beagle indexing, or whatever crazy stuff you have in cron, or even simple network traffic peaking.
[01:14] <JRL01192> lol I had the same hardware since 2005
[01:14] <buck> without a reboot
[01:14] <runlevelten> how will you know what you have in cron if you don't know what cron is?
[01:14] <JRL01192> still I manage to get this problems
[01:14] <flaccid> buck: that doesn't justify your assumptions... hard evidence to conclude is required
[01:15] <runlevelten> You're not telling me you examined your cron jobs thoroughly before knowing of cron's existence?
[01:15] <runlevelten> Hmm.
[01:15] <buck> maybe i will put in a port scanner
[01:15] <flaccid> a computer has millions of variables, don't generalise them...
[01:15] <buck> no i understand .. i just figured was a task or something i was using
[01:15] <JRL01192> it looks like me and buck have the sameproblem didn't even notice it
[01:15] <buck> yeah ..
[01:16] <omega_> I have a question if anyone knows anything about this... got a laptop with audigy2 pcmcia snd but it is installed as /proc/esound/card1 but for some reason even though i have set it as default sound counter-strike under crossover office 6 still uses card0 instead
[01:16] <runlevelten> "put in a port scanner"? Lol, buck, what are you trying to achieve, dude?
[01:16] <flaccid> looks don't usually translate...
[01:16] <flaccid> something visual is entirely diffferentin reality
[01:16] <buck> i dont know .. to see if anyone is accessing my ports i gues
[01:16] <flaccid> a port scanner won't let you know anyone scanning
[01:16] <runlevelten> omega_: knowing 3d gaming through wine, it may be a compatibility measure.
[01:16] <runlevelten> Does it still work?
[01:16] <flaccid> a port scanner scans..
[01:17] <buck> yeah .. scans open ports .. should also give ips of what i am connected to as well
[01:17] <flaccid> if you wanna track port scanners, you need logs + snmp
[01:17] <runlevelten> A port scanner doesn't check whether anyone is accessing your computer, it probes computers.
[01:17] <flaccid> buck: nope
[01:17] <omega_> do you know sites that might know... codeweaver's website sux0rz for finding stuff
[01:18] <flaccid> buck:  you want netstat -tan or netstat -tap or netstat -tan | grep -i established or something...
[01:18] <flaccid> omega_: what do you mean sorryz
[01:18] <buck> aircrack-ng is that a good one
[01:18] <flaccid> buck: its good for what it was made for...
[01:19] <omega_> well is there any forum site that can be searched to maybe find something on this matter
[01:19] <runlevelten> ....which is nothing to do with what you're trying to do...
[01:19] <flaccid> its not good for seeing what is accessing your computer, it does the opposite...
[01:19] <buck> couldnt find package netstat
[01:19] <runlevelten> omega_: appdb is the place to go.
[01:19] <flaccid> omega_: which matter?
[01:19] <runlevelten> appdb.winehq.org
[01:19] <flaccid> buck: netstat is built in
[01:19] <buck> wait netstat is built
[01:19] <buck> yeah
[01:19] <buck> hahaha
[01:19] <buck> duh ..
[01:19] <buck> im such a newb
[01:20] <flaccid> netstat -a | grep -i establi
[01:20] <flaccid> all connections held...
[01:20] <omega_> telling crossover or wine which sound card to use by default
[01:20] <buck> i can see lots of ips ..
[01:20] <runlevelten> To be honest, that's going to cause more hysteria than it solves, flaccid.
[01:20] <flaccid> omega_: oh that. good point. i guess you can only try codeweavers..
[01:20] <runlevelten> buck: first of all, type in a console:
[01:20] <runlevelten> top
[01:20] <omega_> appsdb only shows how to get windows apps running not lower level stuff
[01:20] <buck> yeah .. i have console running
[01:21] <buck> no i am not feared with computers
[01:21] <runlevelten> omega_: riiiiight, so that means it will tell you.....
[01:21] <flaccid> runlevelten: thats your assumption not mine
[01:21] <buck> i know ssh3 is secure
[01:21] <buck> anything i do that requires computer security should be ssh
[01:21] <flaccid> negative
[01:21] <flaccid> ssh is one possible protocol
[01:22] <buck> i have nothing on my system that anyone would want.. except maybe naked pictures of my wife .. well maybe they wouldnt wan them either . hahahah
[01:22] <flaccid> ssl/tls has been used on the web for confidentiality since the 90s
[01:22] <joao> hi, i did a fresh install, but i have a problem. it seems i forgot the root password -.-. is there any way to recovery it? thanks
[01:22] <flaccid> buck: yeah its not windows, you are protected by default
[01:22] <buck> but i like htis netstat stuff looks cool
[01:22] <flaccid> !root > joao
[01:22] <flaccid> buck: netstat is your friend.. just learn the switches
[01:23] <buck> yeah ...but i keep my system in ROOT often
[01:23] <flaccid> what does that mean
[01:23] <buck> when i am doing big projects
[01:23] <flaccid> 'keep my system in root'
[01:23] <buck> also how does one check his processes.. i like that .. now with windows its easy to google the process
[01:24] <buck> system monitor .. should be it .. yep it is .cool
[01:24] <runlevelten> flaccid: What I mean is, if someone's assuming they've got a compromised system when it slows down a little, maybe throwing the netstat output at them before they've checked top
[01:24] <runlevelten> flaccid: could be reconsidered. idunno. Just a thought, like. ;)
[01:24] <buck> .. no .. i htink looking at the running process is better
[01:25] <flaccid> runlevelten:  you are right
[01:25] <buck> im not saying my system was ever compromised..
[01:25] <flaccid> using top or ksysguard is a good starting point particularly for cpu
[01:25] <buck> i am stating that i had an issue like that other guy .. at about the same period of time of day
[01:25] <flaccid> coincedences are common
[01:26] <flaccid> so is bad spelling
[01:26] <buck> i dont know how to spill either .. hahahah
[01:26] <flaccid> shetip
[01:26] <flaccid> :p\
[01:26] <buck> but yeah now everything works fine.. whether my sys was compromised ..
[01:26] <joao> thanks flaccid
[01:26] <buck> or not . i dont know
[01:26] <runlevelten> yeah - and excessive disk access is just as bad.
[01:27] <JRL01192> exactly
[01:27] <JRL01192> i will wait until miday when problem arrives
[01:27] <buck> and me and JR probably were running the same tasks at the same time
[01:27] <buck> but yeah .. coincidense
[01:28] <flaccid> disk access a lot on a notebook = delay
[01:28] <JRL01192> I have been reading up on news, and throughtout this week there has been alot of blackhate activity throughout the world
[01:28] <buck> i should have tried other desktop .. like gnome or flux
[01:28] <flaccid> buck: they are massive assumptions
[01:28] <flaccid> buck: go back to windows?
[01:28] <buck> hahahh
[01:28] <JRL01192> lol
[01:29] <buck> i am just stating that i had the same symptoms as JR .. not saying that i was being hacked
[01:29] <buck> did you see me type anyting about how my system was running earlier
[01:29] <runlevelten> Well anyway buck. First, check top when you're slowing down
[01:30] <buck> nope .. when he stated that .. i just wanted it noted that i had same issues
[01:30] <runlevelten> and watch what's beating the heck out of your hard drive, too.
[01:30] <buck> i wasnt slowing down..
[01:30] <buck> my mouse was eratic
[01:30] <runlevelten> PS: you're not running GUI user apps as root, are you?
[01:30] <buck> like i had no control and other windows were poping up front that i was in no way clicking
[01:30] <JRL01192> could maximize and minimize windows?
[01:30] <buck> and now everything is fine and i havent rebooted
[01:31] <JRL01192> yep we have the same problems
[01:31] <JRL01192> excpt my cpu starts to lag
[01:31] <runlevelten> buck, did it behave like the scroll wheel was stuck?
[01:31] <buck> im not assuming that i was being compromised or i would have stated that earlier ..
[01:31] <runlevelten> buck, try scrolling on a window title before you answer that.
[01:31] <runlevelten> so did it act just like that, but mental?
[01:31] <JRL01192> I could scroll perfectly
[01:32] <JRL01192> even in those conditions
[01:32] <buck> hahah .. cool . well i may have been rolling my scroll button
[01:32] <buck> i see thats a cool feature.. i dont know about it being stuck ..
[01:32] <runlevelten> buck: there's some hard to identify bug that causes that to go mental every now and then.
[01:32] <buck> but i see that the scroll can bring windows forward
[01:33] <runlevelten> It always seems to be on systems with ati cards so far.
[01:33] <JRL01192> I have Nvidia :)
[01:33] <buck> and linux is designed to fix this issue without rebooting
[01:33] <buck> i have nvidai too
[01:33] <buck> an old one in this system .. a 5900 ultra
[01:33] <runlevelten> Agh, well worth asking, just in case.
[01:33] <JRL01192> lol this is too much of a coincidence.
[01:34] <JRL01192> I have a 7900GTX
[01:34] <buck> so i can see that the windows may have been the scroll ..
[01:34] <buck> on my other system i have 2 7900 GT OC .. that are being replaced from BFG ..
[01:34] <runlevelten> I don't use it to switch windows, although I do use it to switch desktops.
[01:35] <buck> becuase of thier stupid over clocking the weakass memory
[01:35] <Sanne> buck: usually you have some cron jobs running shortly after booting that may take some cpu. Maybe it's just updatedb running.
[01:35] <JRL01192> tcp        0      0 192.168.1.97:37055      207.158.1.150:6667      ESTABLISHED; is this normal?
[01:35] <runlevelten> irc
[01:35] <buck> ... well you are on a router
[01:35] <JRL01192> yep
[01:35] <buck> and your .. isp should be the207
[01:35] <runlevelten> JRL01192: that's IRC....
[01:35] <JRL01192> k
[01:36] <JRL01192> well now I only need to wait for the midday attack
[01:37] <ivan> ciao
[01:37] <ivan> !list
[01:37] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[01:37] <buck> but was while my syetem was running for like 3 hours..
[01:38] <buck> so i dont know if it was cron
[01:38] <buck> i was so pissed that i left the computer
[01:38] <buck> which i rarely do ..
[01:38] <JRL01192> wtf? is cron? Are you talking about the game?
[01:39] <buck> i think cron is a program that automatically runs tasks
[01:39] <runlevelten> cron is the system that allows things to be run at particular times JRL01192
[01:39] <runlevelten> very, very useful.
[01:39] <buck> yeah .. and if that is running in the after noon rather than when you are not on it . can create havoc
[01:39] <JRL01192> O I see, o well I do not use it
[01:39] <buck> for instance say you are defraggin
[01:40] <runlevelten> Well no, if things are set to run as cron jobs.
[01:40] <buck> how do i know if there are tasks in it
[01:40] <buck> and how can i check the config file
[01:40] <buck> !cron
[01:40] <ubotu> cron is a way to schedule execution of software/scripts. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CronHowto  -  There is also a decent Howto at http://www.tech-geeks.org/contrib/mdrone/cron&crontab-howto.htm
[01:40] <buck> nevermind
[01:41] <buck> now .. under crontab -e .. i see not tasks are there hidden cron tasks and where can i look them up
[01:42] <buck> perhaps root tasks
[01:42] <runlevelten> ls /etc/cron*  doesn't hurt either :)
[01:43] <buck> i like this cron
[01:43] <buck> i am gonna set some apps up
[01:46] <JRL01192> !netstat
[01:46] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about netstat - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:47] <buck> type netstat --help
[01:48] <JRL01192> thanks ;)
[01:49] <Insane`KDE> Can anybody get me hooked to a guide to quickly and easily set up a virtual machine on linux? Or otherwise give me a package name
[01:49] <flaccid> !virtualisation
[01:49] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about virtualisation - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:49] <flaccid> !virtualization
[01:49] <ubotu> There are several solutions for running other operating systems (or their programs) inside Ubuntu, while using the native CPU as much as possible: !QEmu (with !KQemu or !qvm86), !VirtualBox, !VMWare, as well as !WINE and !Cedega for Windows applications
[01:49] <flaccid> damn americans who can't spell
[01:53] <joao> where can i get the packages for kaffeine play all the restricted formats?
[01:53] <buck> vmware is that good
[01:53] <stdin> joao: kaffeine used xine, the package for xine is libxine-extracodecs
[01:53] <flaccid> !codecs
[01:53] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[01:53] <buck> !rar
[01:53] <ubotu> rar is a non-free archive format created by Rarsoft. For instructions on accessing .rar files through the Archive Manager view https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FileCompression. There is a free (as in speech) unrar utility as well, see !info unrar-free
[01:53] <Insane`KDE> !KQemu
[01:53] <ubotu> kqemu is a kernel module (now free under the GPL license) for speeding up the !QEMU virtual machine. Installation instructions can be found at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/KQEmu - see also !qvm86
[01:54] <aldin> hi, what should i put in ~/.vimrc, so when i type '/' it shows me all searches?
[01:54] <Insane`KDE> !QEMU
[01:54] <ubotu> qemu is an emulator you can use to run another operating system - see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WindowsXPUnderQemuHowTo
[01:54] <JRL01192> I have used it before, few bugs here and there
[01:54] <JRL01192> great program for using a proxy
[01:54] <stdin> aldin: try asking in #vim
[01:54] <JRL01192> keeping your anon
[01:55] <aldin> stdin, ok, hope they are not sleeping hehe
[01:55] <aldin> #vim
[01:55] <JRL01192> *keeping you anonymous
[01:55] <buck> is there a free rar utuility
[01:55] <stdin> buck: the "unrar" package is the free one, the "unrar-nonfree" is the non free one
[01:56] <JRL01192> 0.0
[01:56] <buck> cool
[01:56] <buck> thanks
[01:58] <[ifr0g] > Hi, to allow dhcp calls on 255.255.255.255 what should i add to the routing table.
[01:58] <[ifr0g] > I remember reading that some place, but lost the link.
[02:01] <[ifr0g] > Never mind, i Got it ! route add -host 255.255.255.255 dev eth0 :)
[02:02] <buck> thank you flaccid
[02:02] <buck> opera is fast
[02:03] <[ifr0g] > buck, faster than firefox ?
[02:03] <flaccid> yeah it kills firefox
[02:03] <flaccid> its 6MB..
[02:03] <[ifr0g] > Nice, which version ?
[02:03] <flaccid> any
[02:03] <buck> oh yeah .. but does it have all the cool litle plugins
[02:04] <flaccid> no
[02:04] <[ifr0g] > :P
[02:04] <flaccid> plugins are 3rd party
[02:04] <[ifr0g] > Darn..
[02:04] <[ifr0g] > I love the extensions.
[02:04] <flaccid> opera would not make their browser unstable like that
[02:04] <buck> yeah but what about like pop up blockers etc
[02:04] <[ifr0g] > Well, it depends on the extentions you choose.
[02:04] <flaccid> extensions are cool, but you need to ack how they are possible with firefox and why they are make firefox unstable...
[02:04] <[ifr0g] > i am using around 8 and firefox is smooth.
[02:05] <JRL01192> swiftfox pwns ALL!
[02:05] <flaccid> opera has a pop up blocker and spam filter native
[02:05] <buck> cool.. '
[02:05] <buck> because i am viewing what the internet was designed for .. PORN
[02:05] <flaccid> with firefox it depends on the extensions you install. but if you look at firefox deps and the size etc. its a piece of bloat..
[02:05] <buck> and with that .. lots of pop ups and adds
[02:05] <flaccid> buck:
[02:05] <flaccid> use space
[02:05] <flaccid> on pron pages
[02:06] <JRL01192> I thought the internet was designed for learning :p
[02:06] <buck> space .. how do you use that
[02:06] <flaccid> the spacebar
[02:06] <flaccid> click on a thumbnail then press space on that photo
[02:07] <buck> i did that
[02:07] <JRL01192> lol
[02:07] <buck> space doesnt do ne things.. spcbr
[02:08] <flaccid> sorry spacebar
[02:08] <buck> just does a dwnpage like
[02:08] <buck> probably becaus i am in kde
[02:08] <flaccid> buck: correct and it does to next photo after that
[02:09] <flaccid> does=goes
[02:09] <buck> well let me switch DT brb
[02:10] <Insane`KDE> How do I mount a filesystem with read+write permissions?
[02:11] <flaccid> !ntfs
[02:11] <ubotu> To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions . For write access see !ntfs-3g or !fuse
[02:11] <flaccid> !mount
[02:11] <buck> back
[02:11] <ubotu> Partitioning programs: !GParted or QTParted (also "man mkfs" for formatting) - Mounting partitions in Kubuntu, go to System Settings -> Advanced Tab -> Disks & Filesystem. See also !fstab and !DiskMounter
[02:11] <Insane`KDE> I used "sudo mount /dev/sda1 /media/sda1 -o fmask=0111,dmask=0000" but that's readonly
[02:11] <flaccid> Insane`KDE: the first one shows the goods
[02:11] <flaccid> or see
[02:11] <flaccid> !fstab
[02:11] <ubotu> The /etc/fstab file indicates how drive partitions are to be used or otherwise integrated into the file system. See http://www.tuxfiles.org/linuxhelp/fstab.html and !Partitions
[02:11] <stdin> Insane`KDE: ntfs?
[02:11] <flaccid> Insane`KDE:  -o rw
[02:11] <Insane`KDE> stdin: Yes
[02:11] <stdin> !ntfs-3g
[02:11] <buck> hahah .. that is cool flaccid
[02:11] <Insane`KDE> Let's see
[02:11] <ubotu> ntfs-3g is a Linux driver which allows read/write access to NTFS partitions. Installation instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MountingWindowsPartitions
[02:11] <flaccid> !fuse
[02:11] <ubotu> Though it's still very unsafe, you can read about Ubuntu NTFS writing using fuse here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lkraider/NtfsFuse
[02:12] <flaccid> ntfs-3g is successor to fuse?
[02:12] <stdin> flaccid: fuse != ntfs-3g
[02:12] <Insane`KDE> -o rw failed
[02:12] <stdin> flaccid: ntfs-3g uses fuse
[02:13] <runlevelten> Yes, be very cautious about using write access on NTFS.
[02:13] <runlevelten> :\
[02:13] <buck> how do i install this ntfs program?>
[02:13] <buck> hmmm will have to se
[02:14] <[ifr0g] > runlevelten, what bad could happen ?
[02:14] <flaccid> stdin: wasn't that my question ??
[02:14] <flaccid> ok
[02:15] <stdin> flaccid: no, fuse is more than just ntfs support
[02:15] <buck> isnt that copywrite infringing .. ntfs fuse
[02:16] <flaccid> depends on licensing
[02:16] <buck> well i am gonna try and install this
[02:18] <buck> i thought there was a switch in the KERNAL that allows for NTFS
[02:18] <runlevelten> [ifr0g] : the spec can change or not work consistently between the two platforms.
[02:19] <stdin> buck: yes, but it's basic support, ie: you can't create files or make them bigger/smaller
[02:19] <arun> hello stdin, runlevelten
[02:20] <buck> okay .. i see that now ..
[02:20] <stdin> hi arun
[02:20] <runlevelten> Besides which, if you don't live in the US, there's rarely any support at all for copyright stipulations preventing you from accessing your own content in your own home without redistributing anybody else's work.
[02:20] <JRL01192> man the more I stay in here, the more familiar I become with Ubuntu
[02:20] <buck> but in future bilds they plan on making this possible
[02:20] <runlevelten> Regardless of what licenses attempt.
[02:20] <buck> builds
[02:20] <buck> thats gonna be insane.. more resons to switch to LINUX ..
[02:20] <runlevelten> hi arun
[02:21] <Insane`KDE> Anybody help me here, I mounted my ntfs partitions using fuse, but I still can't write to them
[02:21] <buck> new to linux but always enjoy free programs LICENSED OR NOT
[02:21] <Insane`KDE> !ntfs
[02:22] <ubotu> To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions . For write access see !ntfs-3g or !fuse
[02:22] <Insane`KDE> !fuse
[02:22] <ubotu> Though it's still very unsafe, you can read about Ubuntu NTFS writing using fuse here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lkraider/NtfsFuse
[02:22] <runlevelten> Why does the fuse factoid point to ntfs support?
[02:22] <buck> dnever bought a windows distro /// when they can release a copy that doesnt need a service pack in 5 year i amy consider it
[02:23] <runlevelten> All of my software is legally licensed except for kernel tainting ones.
[02:23] <buck> what is kernel tainting??
[02:24] <runlevelten> I'm afraid I have no intention of reading or complying with any licensing requirements for them. They are already covered by the GPL, and if those companies wish to violate the GPL they have no reason to expecxt anything of me \o/
[02:24] <buck> hahahhah
[02:25] <bluejay561> xcg
[02:25] <buck> .. is rebuilding your kernel easy .. i tried it once .. with no luck
[02:25] <buck> is there an art .. what shoudl one read before attempting this
[02:25] <runlevelten> If it ever becomes an issue, they can provide me with the source code for their kernel modules before we talk.
[02:25] <JRL01192> good ol Microsoft, the modern thieves.
[02:26] <runlevelten> Microsoft aren't thieves, that's not fair.
[02:26] <flaccid> modern?
[02:26] <flaccid> they stold dos
[02:26] <buck> MS takes good ideas and with thier BILLIOINS of dollars makes em pretier
[02:26] <flaccid> err stole dos
[02:26] <flaccid> thats not modern...
[02:26] <runlevelten> They're evil, and they're irrelevant.
[02:27] <terry__> what's a cool desktop applet which sort of mirrors vista sidebar?
[02:27] <buck> and another reason not to purchase windows
[02:27] <buck> what is a cool linux sidebar
[02:27] <flaccid> m$ has also been busted for using warez in their windows
[02:27] <runlevelten> I don't know. If you're looking for the apps that vista sidebar lifted from though, you want kde sidebar and superkaramba.
[02:28] <buck> MS is behind PIRACY
[02:28] <buck> .. even tho they say they are against it
[02:28] <flaccid> they are now a security company
[02:28] <runlevelten> buck: yeah but ultimately, who cares?
[02:28] <flaccid> and they invented viruses... go figure..
[02:28] <JRL01192> ahhaha I just flushed an epidemic in the chatroom.
[02:28] <buck> they are against it in the business sense but not in the personal sence
[02:28] <flaccid> i care very much, anyone who doesn't um...
[02:29] <flaccid> personal sense = capitalist sense
[02:29] <buck> the whole point in them not caring about personal attemtps at software theft is if all the people are using it than the businesses will buy it because peope know how to use it
[02:29] <terry__> runlevelten, can't find them in adept...
[02:29] <runlevelten> anyone who doesn't...doesn't use their software?
[02:30] <buck> NORTON invented VIRUS'
[02:30] <flaccid> its all money...
[02:30] <arun> runlevelten: lol
[02:30] <flaccid> buck: no m$ did. norton just made money from it
[02:30] <JRL01192> business wise they made fundamental moves to move the company further, personal wise they are just plain ol thieves
[02:30] <buck> MS just made it possible
[02:30] <buck> NORTON wrote the scripts
[02:30] <flaccid> negative
[02:31] <flaccid> norton wrote the original virus data files for the first viruses
[02:31] <buck> Windows is the biggest virus .. and people actually infect thier own machines
[02:31] <flaccid> it wouldn't be possible without an insecure OS called windows...
[02:31] <runlevelten> terrys: kde sidebar and doccks are already installed
[02:31] <runlevelten> superkaramba too, iirc
[02:31] <buck> .. does flux have  cool sidebars
[02:32] <buck> is SuSE better run?
[02:32] <flaccid> suse is commercial
[02:32] <runlevelten> There are differences.
[02:32] <terrys> runlevelten, really? i cant find them
[02:32] <runlevelten> No, OpenSuSE is a community distro.
[02:32] <flaccid> i thought we were talking about SuSE
[02:33] <runlevelten> the SuSE name is commercially owned, but if Novell ever caused problems for that, the community distro would fork.
[02:33] <flaccid> not OpenSuSE :)
[02:33] <buck> .. okay.. what disto is SuSE built on mandrake / redhat / debian / etc
[02:33] <flaccid> um
[02:33] <arun> redhat i think
[02:33] <runlevelten> What, SLES and SLED?
[02:33] <buck> i have always like the debian build
[02:33] <stdin> buck: it's a redhad type system, like mandrake
[02:33] <runlevelten> SuSE is built on SuSE.
[02:33] <buck> oh they have thier own build
[02:33] <flaccid> yast is good
[02:33] <flaccid> but thats about it
[02:33] <runlevelten> it started out slackwaresque a long time ago
[02:33] <joao> yast is nice
[02:33] <runlevelten> before Debian IIRC.
[02:34] <arun> yast is not nearly as good as adept
[02:34] <stdin> redhat type = uses RPM
[02:34] <|Lunar_Lamp|> !konversation
[02:34] <joao> and the new version it will be much faster
[02:34] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about konversation - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:34] <flaccid> adept is not CLI/TUI..
[02:34] <runlevelten> YaST does 100x more stuff than adept
[02:34] <arun> !info konversation
[02:34] <ubotu> konversation: user friendly Internet Relay Chat (IRC) client for KDE. In component main, is optional. Version 1.0.1-1ubuntu2 (feisty), package size 5038 kB, installed size 12996 kB
[02:34] <buck> so this new SuSE should be a getter than
[02:34] <runlevelten> adept covers about 1% of YaST's functionality, arun :)
[02:34] <joao> yes
[02:34] <JRL01192> shh runlevel is telling his ol story about slackware ; it started with slackware a long time ago...
[02:34] <joao> the will be faster
[02:34] <buck> I figure to RUN UT3 will need that
[02:35] <arun> runlevelten: i've used yast with opensuse, and i've used adept, and i know which one i'd rather use
[02:35] <runlevelten> Well you should always choose what you use. OpenSuSE 10.3 is looking... incredible.
[02:35] <joao> *boot
[02:35] <runlevelten> arun: I'd be interested to see you do anything except package management with adept.
[02:35] <NiceGuyUK> Can someone please remind me where you tell Kontact that you want Firefox as the default browser, not Konqueror?
[02:35] <arun> runlevelten: i wouldn't :)
[02:35] <runlevelten> anything except GUI package management, for that matter.
[02:36] <buck> hmmm this suse seams like the answer for the next gen games
[02:36] <flaccid> don't compare a TUI to a GUI for a start
[02:36] <terrys> why does apt-cache find superkaramba where adept doesn't?
[02:36] <stdin> NiceGuyUK: in system settings > default application
[02:36] <runlevelten> buck: very doubtful.
[02:36] <terrys> do they use the same sources?
[02:36] <flaccid> um its all linux...
[02:36] <runlevelten> buck: SuSE is very secure, and robust, but it carries a lot of high latency stuff. Kubuntu is much snappier, which makes it probably more useful for games.
[02:37] <buck> yeah . i think UT2004 runs smoother on my linux box with a lesser card than my windwos system
[02:37] <buck> video card
[02:38] <buck> im sure the shaders on my windwos are better
[02:38] <buck> i should try it on that system
[02:38] <buck> .. does linux support shaders and SLI
[02:38] <JRL01192> talking about games if it wasn't for Punkbuster linux would have a whole lot FPS under the bag
[02:38] <flaccid> buck: what do i need to do to run UT2004
[02:38] <runlevelten> I find that UT2004's native  runs suboptimally on modern distros.
[02:38] <buck> just install it
[02:38] <buck> if you have the disk ..
[02:38] <runlevelten> *native client. It was a lot faster and better.
[02:38] <flaccid> buck: i have nothing
[02:38] <buck> sh linux-ut2004.sh
[02:38] <buck> sometiinbg like that
[02:39] <buck> and a key
[02:39] <flaccid> i don't have that script yet
[02:39] <flaccid> is it free or not free?
[02:39] <runlevelten> it's on disk 3 if you have the cds.
[02:39] <Insane`KDE> !partitions
[02:39] <ubotu> Partitioning programs: !GParted or QTParted (also "man mkfs" for formatting) - Mounting partitions in Gnome under Dapper: System -> Administration -> Disks - For Edgy, see !fstab and !DiskMounter
[02:39] <buck> well sudo linux-ut2005.sh
[02:39] <runlevelten> flaccid ^
[02:39] <buck> i have the DVD ..
[02:39] <Insane`KDE> !GParted
[02:39] <ubotu> GParted is is a !GUI partitioning program. Type  sudo apt-get install gparted  in a console to install it - A GParted "live" CD is available at http://gparted.sourceforge.net/livecd.php
[02:39] <flaccid> i have the internet available
[02:39] <buck> but thats all there is to it .. oh than the update
[02:39] <flaccid> how can i install it via that lol
[02:39] <flaccid> the internet here is faster than my cdrom..
[02:40] <buck> you have to get the update.. and that took me a while .. to get .. but someone here helped me install it
[02:40] <pvandewyngaerde> parted magic ! http://www.partedmagic.com/
[02:40] <flaccid> im on 50mbps
[02:40] <flaccid> URI?
[02:40] <buck> you also need a key
[02:40] <flaccid> so i guess its non-free then
[02:40] <buck> i also installed doom3
[02:41] <runlevelten> of course it's non-free.
[02:41] <buck> well thats the beauty of the top devs .. they are making LINUX engines
[02:41] <NiceGuyUK> stdin : thanks (and sorry for the delay in thanking you, work intervened :( )
[02:41] <buck> too
[02:41] <flaccid> of course?
[02:41] <runlevelten> the ut2kx installers were distributed by default.
[02:41] <stdin> NiceGuyUK: :)
[02:41] <runlevelten> look on your discs.
[02:41] <joao> where can we find ut2004 natively for linux?
[02:41] <buck> yeah .. EPIC made mention that UT3 may be linux too by default
[02:41] <runlevelten> on the disk.
[02:41] <buck> but the disk
[02:42] <buck> buy
[02:42] <buck> one of about 6 games i have purchased
[02:42] <stdin> you buy the game and download the linux engine from the website
[02:42] <buck> no
[02:42] <buck> its on the disc
[02:42] <flaccid> buy or not... im just trying to enter the website
[02:42] <runlevelten> Yes, with doom 3. With UT2kx, you install the engine from the game disc.
[02:43] <buck> DOOM 3 and queke 4 you would need to get engine on website
[02:43] <flaccid> for some reason i need a date?
[02:43] <buck> your age
[02:43] <flaccid> the engines are in repos..
[02:43] <buck> and you are going into the UT3 website
[02:43] <flaccid> thats personal
[02:43] <buck> just 1/1/1800
[02:43] <runlevelten> Age verification. Make one up like everyone else does.
[02:43] <buck> 1/1/1900
[02:43] <flaccid> thats what google gave me
[02:43] <flaccid> it doesn't verify age at all
[02:43] <buck> yeah .. but not much info on ut2004 .. heres a link
[02:44] <buck> http://www.linuxelectrons.com/features/reviews/playing-unreal-tournament-2004-linux http://www.linuxelectrons.com/features/reviews/playing-unreal-tournament-2004-linux
[02:44] <flaccid> ok i was born in 1910.. that let me through.. so secure
[02:44] <runlevelten> I'm not aware of epic ever offering the installers for download.
[02:44] <runlevelten> updates, yes.
[02:45] <dawiz> well
[02:45] <joao> !qanta
[02:45] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about qanta - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:45] <buck> yeah ..after you get the cd/dvd you just typesudo sh linus-ut2004.sh .. something like that
[02:45] <dawiz> no linux distro will install on this thinkpad
[02:45] <runlevelten> !quanta
[02:45] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about quanta - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:45] <flaccid> dawiz: try a different computer/brand
[02:45] <stdin> !html
[02:45] <ubotu> html is HyperText Markup Language, used to build webpages. Editors in Ubuntu: Bluefish, Quanta+, Screem, and Nvu. For howto on HTML coding, see: http://www.w3schools.com
[02:46] <buck> IBM theres your problem . hahahah
[02:46] <joao> how can i put firefox to become my deafult browser for everything?
[02:46] <dawiz> its old
[02:46] <joao> !Quanta+
[02:46] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about quanta+ - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:46] <buck> sawiz .. if you cant run a live disk than trash the thinkpad
[02:46] <dawiz> im not going to buy another computer
[02:46] <dawiz> lol
[02:46] <stdin> joao: what are you looking for?
[02:47] <flaccid> sweet
[02:47] <dawiz> it runs live disks
[02:47] <joao> the package for quanta..but i will get it in their website
[02:47] <runlevelten> joao: kcontrol  kde componenets  default apps
[02:47] <runlevelten> change web browser to firefox
[02:47] <runlevelten> *components
[02:48] <runlevelten> quanta is usually in kdewebdev or similar
[02:48] <llutz> joao: sudo aptitude install quanta
[02:48] <runlevelten> do an apt-cache search quanta
[02:48] <joao> ok thanks :)
[02:48] <flaccid> apt is also searchable in konq
[02:48] <dawiz> man
[02:48] <flaccid> eg. apt:/show?nvidia-glx-new
[02:48] <dawiz> i hate doing this
[02:48] <buck> what is the gnome equiv of kconrtol
[02:49] <stdin> joao: it's in the repos
[02:49] <flaccid> buck: try #ubuntu
[02:49] <runlevelten> Gnome equivalent of kcontrol? Hahaha.
[02:49] <stdin> !quanta | joao
[02:49] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about quanta - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:49] <stdin> !info quanta | joao
[02:49] <ubotu> joao: quanta: web development environment for KDE. In component main, is optional. Version 4:3.5.6-0ubuntu1 (feisty), package size 2382 kB, installed size 5728 kB
[02:49] <runlevelten> You don't need to change stuff.
[02:49] <stdin> buck: probably gconf
[02:49] <runlevelten> "You don't need to change stuff." < Gnome's answer to kcontrol :p
[02:49] <buck> .. well i switch between ..
[02:49] <buck> i like KDE but ut2004 runs better in Gnome
[02:50] <runlevelten> No there's the gregedit^w gconf-editor I suppose
[02:50] <runlevelten> buck: It shouldn't do, tbh.
[02:50] <buck> what is tbh
[02:50] <flaccid> i guess when a proprietery game works better in a DE, swich to dit
[02:50] <runlevelten> buck: I should use fluxbox when you're running games
[02:50] <JRL01192> I love gnome, YAY NO MORE lags.
[02:50] <flaccid> not
[02:50] <buck> i use flux
[02:50] <buck> thats what i am on now
[02:50] <runlevelten> to be honest
[02:50] <flaccid> why use fluxbox
[02:51] <buck> becuase its fast
[02:51] <flaccid> use no window manager
[02:51] <buck> loads fast
[02:51] <runlevelten> flaccid: fluxbox is very fast and light
[02:51] <flaccid> no window manager is faster than fluxbox
[02:51] <buck> yeah .. when i am in KDE i gte an aweful flicker
[02:51] <dawiz> fluxbox is fast and light
[02:51] <runlevelten> well, I'm not hugely keen on the most recent builds I've used on kubuntu, they seem very slow.
[02:51] <dawiz> i like icewm
[02:51] <runlevelten> Still much snappier than everything else though, but login isn't instant.
[02:51] <stdin> KDE is always fast and versatile enough for me
[02:52] <dawiz> i use kde tho
[02:52] <buck> login is fast with fluxbox
[02:52] <stdin> if not there's always bash
[02:52] <dawiz> i like the eye candy
[02:52] <runlevelten> login is usually instant with fluxbox.
[02:52] <flaccid> you are comparing apples with bananans
[02:52] <flaccid> ...
[02:52] <buck> gnome i like how my windows giggle and i can cube my work spaces
[02:52] <runlevelten> The good bit about fluxbox is that it plays very nicely with KDE
[02:52] <buck> yeah .. very fast .. like hit enter and you are in
[02:53] <flaccid> its like saying my truck is not as fast as that motorbike
[02:53] <buck> infact there was someting i did that gave me my kde display in flux
[02:53] <runlevelten> so you can pick bits of your DE and run them as required, or even run the whole of KDE when you've finished gaming.
[02:53] <dawiz> gnome is too much like macos9
[02:53] <buck> and i had the bars at bottom and top with the little icons
[02:53] <stdin> you want a fast GUI, "Xorg :1 & export DISPLAY=:1 ; xterm"
[02:53] <flaccid> stdin: i already said that :p
[02:54] <buck> can i apt-get install Xorg-Desktop
[02:54] <stdin> but I gave the commands :P
[02:54] <stdin> buck: xorg-desktop??
[02:54] <runlevelten> fluxbox is like a lower KDE runlevel, basically.
[02:54] <runlevelten> heh
[02:54] <flaccid> buck: no
[02:54] <buck> no
[02:54] <buck> hahah
[02:54] <flaccid> just don't startkde...
[02:54] <buck> flux is cool
[02:55] <buck> basic and minimal
[02:55] <flaccid> X w/ no window manager....
[02:55] <dawiz> yeah flux is cool
[02:55] <dawiz> nothing is as fast as cli tho
[02:55] <stdin> enlightenment is a nice desktop
[02:55] <runlevelten> It's great if you want to play assaultcube while kmail loads, instead of watching the KDE splash, too :)
[02:55] <flaccid> comparing cli to gui is apples and bannanas
[02:56] <buck> back .. hit exit . .by mistake
[02:56] <flaccid> i woudn't be using kde if i wanted performance...
[02:56] <aldin> In file included from linspireclear.cpp:31:
[02:56] <aldin> linspireclear.h:31:25: error: kdecoration.h: No such file or directory
[02:56] <aldin> , where do i find this header?
[02:56] <runlevelten> enlightenment is OK, but it's not as KDE-friendly as fb
[02:56] <flaccid> if i wanted performance, i woudln't be using X ata ll
[02:56] <flaccid> at all
[02:56] <dawiz> it is comparing apples and bananas
[02:56] <stdin> aldin: go to https://packages.ubuntu.com/ and search for the file
[02:56] <flaccid> aldin: try #kde or post on kde-apps.org
[02:57] <buck> !bash
[02:57] <ubotu> The linux terminal or command-line interface is very powerful. Open a terminal via Applications -> Accessories -> Terminal (Gnome) or K-menu -> System -> Konsole (KDE).  Guide: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UsingTheTerminal
[02:57] <runlevelten> If you want performance + stability *and* a full-fat DE, you certainly don't base that on gtk cruft, imo.
[02:57] <JRL01192> alright then what would be good for performance than?
[02:58] <stdin> besides Qt just looks nicer :)
[02:58] <flaccid> people dont understand that features = overhead
[02:58] <runlevelten> buggy, poorly written garbage, with an API that has the stability of quicksand.
[02:58] <volodya> hi. I looks like after suspend/resume, my laptop clock is not adjusted and remains whatever is was before suspect. How do I diagnose what's wrong?
[02:58] <dawiz> obviously not you blues
[02:58] <runlevelten> *porting* apps between different Gnome versions soon puts you off.
[02:58] <meditans> ciao a tutti
[02:59] <aldin> stdin, thanks, this actually helped me, it is in kdebase-dev thanks!
[02:59] <runlevelten> right, food!
[03:00] <buck> why do you have to port an app
[03:00] <Alloosh> hello all
[03:00] <Alloosh> I give up
[03:00] <Alloosh> I cant get this thing to work
[03:00] <Alloosh> will some one please please please help me
[03:00] <Alloosh> I cant share files between 2 computers
[03:00] <stdin> aldin: if you are compiling KDE apps, you'll probably want the kde-devel package (and yeah, I use the website to search for files in packages all the time)
[03:00] <buck> u still haveing trouble mating the network
[03:01] <Alloosh> yessssssssssssss
[03:01] <flaccid> Alloosh: cite an error message, i will help
[03:01] <Alloosh> ok
[03:01] <Alloosh> please tell me what to do exactly
[03:01] <flaccid> i already did that
[03:01] <Alloosh> I got everything to work except this
[03:01] <buck> just rmote in flaccid .. hhahahhaha
[03:01] <flaccid> please tell me your error, exactly...
[03:01] <Alloosh> I told you
[03:01] <flaccid> sorry what was it
[03:01] <Alloosh> I cant get the two computers together
[03:02] <flaccid> thats not an error thats a condition
[03:02] <Alloosh> one computer runs ubuntu and the other run xp
[03:02] <aldin> stdin, thanks, i will install kde-devel
[03:02] <runlevelten> buck: you have to port apps because of poor API stability
[03:02] <stdin> aldin: warning, it's massive
[03:02] <flaccid> Alloosh: did you try smbclient ?
[03:02] <Alloosh> how ?
[03:02] <Alloosh> can you give me step by step instructions
[03:02] <Alloosh> ?
[03:02] <runlevelten> Qt is ten times the toolkit, in my personal opinion :)
[03:02] <buck> ahh .. okay
[03:03] <Alloosh> I swear iam dumping the xp computer after I get my files
[03:03] <aldin> stdin, nevermind, btw i did apt-get build-dep kde-style-lipstik so it pulled some devel files before
[03:03] <buck> so if my app is not stable i should rebuild it in the DTE that i am gonna use it in mainly .
[03:03] <flaccid> Alloosh: smbclient -NL //10.0.0.1
[03:03] <flaccid> 10.0.0.1 being the IP of the Xp computer
[03:03] <arun> has anyone here tried the beta version of kde 4?
[03:03] <stdin> aldin: well kde-devel is really just a meta package that pull a lot of the same tings, and then some
[03:03] <buck> so read and see what DTE the program prefers and install it there?
[03:03] <Alloosh> can you please tell me what to do exactly
[03:03] <Alloosh> like how to open the stuff and edit
[03:04] <Alloosh> step by step please
[03:04] <runlevelten> buck: No. API stability affects how the program is implemented. It means whether the programming environment can be relied on to exist or work the same way in the next release.
[03:04] <BluesKaj> arun, i tried the suse live cd version...wouldn't boot
[03:04] <aldin> stdin, yap, i noticed it, btw i like that meta package so i dont bother like now hehe
[03:04] <flaccid> Alloosh: i just did. that command it to check that you can view the shares on the xp machine
[03:04] <Alloosh> can you give me the full comand
[03:05] <flaccid> [23:03]  <flaccid> Alloosh: smbclient -NL //10.0.0.1
[03:05] <flaccid> [23:03]  <flaccid> 10.0.0.1 being the IP of the Xp computer
[03:05] <buck> .. well .. i dont see a standard DTE for LINUX and this is gonna be a kick in the ass. why are the devs making so many DTEs when they should be standardizing on ONE and make it configurable
[03:05] <flaccid> that was the full command
[03:05] <flaccid> 2nd time..
[03:06] <Alloosh> ok
[03:06] <Alloosh> here is the error
[03:06] <flaccid> what is a DTE?
[03:06] <Alloosh> timeout connecting to 10.0.0.1:445
[03:06] <Alloosh> timeout connecting to 10.0.0.1:139
[03:06] <Alloosh> Error connecting to 10.0.0.1 (Operation already in progress)
[03:06] <buck> DESK TOP EDITIONS
[03:06] <runlevelten> buck: homogeny is only meaningful to the windows user. It means nothing and is of no technical use tbh.
[03:06] <flaccid> Alloosh: you need to substutue 10.0.0.1 with the LAN IP of the XP box
[03:06] <BluesKaj> Alloosh:  have you installed samba ?
[03:06] <Alloosh> how?
[03:07] <Alloosh> yes I have samba
[03:07] <runlevelten> If you want to program to a platform that will exist for desktop apps, you have Qt and you have Gtk.
[03:07] <buck> edition .. i meant environment
[03:07] <flaccid> buck: linux is a kernel only.
[03:07] <Alloosh> would some one connect to me and fix please
[03:07] <BluesKaj> ok, smb4k samba browser ? try that
[03:07] <flaccid> Alloosh: already tried 4 times. giving up, sorry.
[03:07] <arun> BluesKaj: does opensuse still have the 5 cd install?
[03:07] <buck> yeah .. but if a program runs differently from DTE to DTE than this is a bottleneck
[03:07] <runlevelten> They don't. They play nice, tbh.
[03:08] <flaccid> buck: negative. its  different userland implementation
[03:08] <BluesKaj> dunno arun .mine was just the kde4 version live on one cd
[03:08] <arun> BluesKaj: ah ok
[03:08] <JRL01192> soo many new words JR needs to learn in linux *notesdown
[03:08] <buck> yeah .. but having to change api etc etc because of DTE issues is bull all programs should rely on the KERNAL not the DTE
[03:08] <arun> is gutsy gibbon going to have kde 4?
[03:08] <Alloosh> thanks anyway flaccid
[03:09] <Alloosh> any one else can help in that
[03:09] <Alloosh> ?
[03:09] <flaccid> buck: DTE is not standard, its not even de facto...
[03:09] <buck> i like haveing the power to change DTES its awesome..
[03:09] <runlevelten> buck: I don't think you're getting the point of what libs are for.
[03:09] <BluesKaj> Alloosh: sudo apt-get install smb4k
[03:09] <flaccid> buck: its a load of shite
[03:09] <buck> but dont you think it would be saner if all programs worked in all environments
[03:09] <runlevelten> buck: That's like saying "everyne who wants a car should start melting iron ore instead of buying one."
[03:09] <flaccid> BluesKaj: already did that. user not getting it :(
[03:10] <flaccid> buck: then there would be no such thing as a linux distro.
[03:10] <runlevelten> buck: You're talking about reimplementing a whole GUI toolkit for every app.
[03:10] <Alloosh> blueskaj, I have used that and its installed
[03:10] <buck> .. not at all .. i liek that i can choose what interface i want .. but programs should work in all interfaces equally
[03:10] <runlevelten> buck: there could be nothing more standards-averse.
[03:10] <stdin> buck: if the app doesn't run in all DEs, then it's the apps fault
[03:11] <buck> yeah .. i agree ..
[03:11] <runlevelten> stdin: Exactly, that's what standards are for.
[03:11] <buck> and like i said .. i have multiple DTEs so i can run an app where it likes to ru
[03:11] <buck> n
[03:11] <flaccid> one word
[03:11] <flaccid> actually two
[03:11] <buck> like fluxbox is a KDE type interface
[03:11] <flaccid> extensibility interoperability
[03:11] <runlevelten> it's trivial to test that your app docks, that your shortcuts are in the right places, that drag and drop is OK (within the limitations of the environment) and so on.
[03:12] <flaccid> buck: no it not at all
[03:12] <dawiz> i dont understand why nothing installs on this thinkpad
[03:12] <BluesKaj> ok Alloosh, run these cmnds in the terminal :sudo chmod +s /usr/bin/smbmnt ,  then :sudo chmod +s /usr/bin/smbumount
[03:12] <flaccid> fluxbox is a window manager
[03:12] <buck> but i cant run ut2004 in KDE with out the flicker .. maybe the update fixed that i can in fluxbox
[03:12] <flaccid> buck: you never know till you work it out. dont assume.
[03:12] <runlevelten> right, really food this time.
[03:13] <buck> i dig this linux .. but just amazes me that there are so many different environments
[03:13] <buck> say i took out gui altogether
[03:13] <Alloosh> bluskaj, done
[03:13] <buck> everything should run fine in command line correct
[03:13] <BluesKaj> ok Alloosh, now open smb4k
[03:14] <dawiz> one of the things that makes nix great is all the options
[03:14] <Alloosh> bluskaj, how?
[03:14] <dawiz> linux is really just the kernel
[03:14] <buck> yeah .. but the builds are different the installers are different why cant linux start standardizing so it can beat up windows
[03:14] <BluesKaj> in the k-menu/utilities
[03:14] <championchap> bah, dont start that.. as dar as anyone needs to know, Linux is the whole thing
[03:15] <dawiz> eh
[03:15] <flaccid> buck: linux is a kernel only. that is the short answer.
[03:15] <buck> ieee should help it about
[03:15] <flaccid> lo
[03:15] <flaccid> linux is just a kernel
[03:15] <buck> seems so chatic
[03:15] <dawiz> linux is really just linus's kernel
[03:15] <Alloosh> blueskaj, can we please have a private chat ?
[03:15] <stdin> championchap: no linux is the kernel, GNU/Linux or U|Kbuntu is the OS
[03:15] <BluesKaj> ok Alloosh
[03:15] <genii> Bah. anyone deal with these "jmicron" sata/IDe chipsets yet? My new board has these., 6.06 doesn't like it. Can't find my 7.04 cd ...are there drivers for this chipset in newer releases?
[03:16] <buck> ahh .. okay .. i see .. now that makes more sense..
[03:16] <dawiz> linus's kernel and the gnu tools are the os
[03:16] <Alloosh> thanks blueskaj, where and how ?
[03:16] <stdin> !linux
[03:16] <ubotu> Linux is the kernel (core) of the Ubuntu operating system. Many operating systems use Linux as kernel. For more information on Linux in general, visit http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux
[03:16] <stdin> see ^ :)
[03:16] <buck> okay .. there are differnt OS's in the community that are built on  a common kernal
[03:16] <buck> kernel
[03:16] <buck> yeah .. i was just typing that in stdin
[03:16] <buck> hhahah
[03:16] <genii> !jmicron
[03:16] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about jmicron - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:16] <dawiz> everything else is just flavoring
[03:16] <dawiz> lol
[03:16] <buck> now i see .. so its got flavor
[03:17] <stdin> buck: that's why we have the bot, saves typing :p
[03:17] <championchap> I know that, but to the average user what does it really matter?
[03:17] <flaccid> this is quite arguable...
[03:17] <BluesKaj> look at the tabs Alloosh, my nick should be there
[03:17] <dawiz> and ppl like many dif flavors
[03:17] <buck> well than i can see .. so how long does it take to find the flavor of the month
[03:17] <dawiz> to the avg use it doesnt really
[03:17] <stdin> championchap: so, to "the average user" Windows is the computer, not even a concept of an OS
[03:18] <buck> hahaha
[03:18] <buck> window woot
[03:18] <genii> If you want to get an idea of how many OS are out there just go to distrowatch
[03:18] <flaccid> but there is only 1 m$ :p
[03:18] <championchap> bah, fine.. all I was getting at is it's about as important to most people as if its Linux or GNU/Linux or whatever
[03:18] <buck> thats why i asked what in your oppinion is the best DTE and everyone has a diffente one.. but i think KDE stands out the most
[03:18] <BluesKaj> Alloosh:  which IRC client are you on ?
[03:19] <buck> FB is built on that
[03:19] <buck> and its cool
[03:19] <dawiz> its nice that ubuntu and other distros are preconfiguring and simplifying things i think tho
[03:19] <flaccid> buck: no such thing as a DTE!
[03:19] <buck> !dte
[03:19] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about dte - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:19] <flaccid> haha
[03:19] <buck> jahhaha
[03:19] <flaccid> prove me wrong
[03:19] <Alloosh> yes
[03:19] <Alloosh> how
[03:19] <buck> well apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[03:19] <Alloosh> and where ?
[03:19] <buck> says differently
[03:20] <stdin> buck: DE = Desktop Environment
[03:20] <buck> ok
[03:20] <dawiz> i used to run slack for a while
[03:20] <buck> !DE
[03:20] <ubotu> Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[03:20] <dawiz> couple years
[03:20] <stdin> buck: ie: desktop is one word
[03:20] <buck> .. and that duech
[03:20] <buck> hjahah a
[03:20] <dawiz> then i got an ibook g4
[03:20] <buck> yeah .. well in my world its 2
[03:20] <BluesKaj> Alloosh: look athe tabs , you'll see my nick , click on it
[03:20] <dawiz> loved darwin really
[03:20] <flaccid> DTE != DE
[03:20] <buck> how abot DtE
[03:20] <buck> hahaha
[03:20] <dawiz> installed kubuntu on my g4
[03:20] <championchap> both desk and top are seperate words, who decided they should be merged?
[03:21] <flaccid> negative
[03:21] <Alloosh> did
[03:21] <Alloosh> and nothing happened
[03:21] <buck> as the t is small indicates its part of the D
[03:21] <dawiz> but no support for ppc flahplayer and thingsa made me just stick to darwin
[03:21] <stdin> championchap: it's one word, because it describes something
[03:21] <buck> darwin
[03:21] <genii> Interestingly, Ubuntu is currently 1 at distrowatch and Debian is 6  LOL
[03:21] <dawiz> then the g4 mobo took a dump
[03:21] <buck> !darmin
[03:21] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about darmin - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:21] <buck> !darwin
[03:21] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about darwin - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:21] <dawiz> darwin*
[03:21] <Alloosh> thats wqhat I received
[03:21] <Alloosh> Received CTCP 'DCC CHAT chat 1177673998 1026' (to Alloosh) from BluesKaj
[03:21] <buck> hmm ..
[03:21] <buck> what is ithis darwin
[03:21] <buck> is it a DE
[03:22] <dawiz> mac osX
[03:22] <dawiz> or openBSD
[03:22] <buck> or its MAC
[03:22] <championchap> So why not Remotecontrol?
[03:22] <flaccid> darwin is an older version of mac os x. 10.4 iirc
[03:22] <dawiz> i went back to slack for a while and remembered how much of a headache it was to set everything up
[03:22] <buck> what is slack?
[03:22] <buck> !slack
[03:22] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about slack - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:22] <stdin> buck: slackware
[03:23] <buck> !slackware
[03:23] <ubotu> Other !Linux distributions besides !Ubuntu include: Debian, Mepis (using !APT); RedHat, Fedora, SUSE, Mandriva (using !RPM); Gentoo, Slackware (using other packaging systems)
[03:23] <dawiz> and pat just released slack 12 so 11 was really outdated by the time i went back to slack
[03:23] <buck> why is ubuntu not slackware
[03:23] <championchap> 12 is out? wow, the 11 release seemed to take forever
[03:23] <stdin> buck: why is the sun not the moon?
[03:23] <dawiz> i figured since kubuntu worked so well with my apple hardware id give a shot on this new box
[03:23] <stdin> buck: because they are different
[03:24] <hw__> Adept manager tells me that another (apt) appliction is already running, but it isn't. Which lock file(s) I've to remove?
[03:24] <dawiz> i havce to say im liking it
[03:24] <flaccid> why is my penis not large
[03:24] <buck> .. well says other linux distubutions .. fedora would seam not to be slack ware
[03:24] <flaccid> !lock
[03:24] <JRL01192> slackware is a headache but it rewards when you finish the problem
[03:24] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about lock - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:24] <BluesKaj> Alloosh: nevermind the private chat, you prolly aren't registered
[03:24] <dawiz> but if i were running a server id be back in slack with a quickness
[03:24] <stdin> flaccid: i was tempted to say !coc :p
[03:24] <flaccid> im not sure genitals is in the CoC
[03:24] <BluesKaj> Alloosh:  sudo apt-get install smb4k
[03:25] <buck> well slack ware is like more secure .. or do you .. build your own kernel ..
[03:25] <flaccid> ffs
[03:25] <Alloosh> done blueskaj
[03:25] <dawiz> depends on what i need to use an os for
[03:25] <buck> im just a newb sorry for tall the questions.l.
[03:25] <dawiz> this is a personal box at home
[03:25] <flaccid> if you want secure secure, don't use linux
[03:25] <stdin> buck: slackware isn't necessarily more secure that ubuntu
[03:25] <dawiz> i jusat need a stable computing platform for basic functions at home
[03:25] <stdin> if you want secure, don't turn your computer on
[03:26] <dawiz> slack is more stable
[03:26] <flaccid> dawiz: kubuntu is fine
[03:26] <BluesKaj> ok Alloosh , open it in the k-menu/utilities
[03:26] <dawiz> i like kubuntu
[03:26] <buck> okay .. people tell me to run fedora
[03:26] <dawiz> i dont need the headache of slack right now
[03:26] <Alloosh> how blueskaj?
[03:26] <flaccid> buck: run fedora
[03:26] <dawiz> forget fedora
[03:26] <stdin> buck: people tell me to eat more fruit, doesn't mean I will :p
[03:26] <championchap> eugh, i hated fedora 5
[03:26] <flaccid> eat more fruit
[03:27] <stdin> no
[03:27] <stdin> :)
[03:27] <buck> my brother swears upon it.. never seems to get it running on his systems tho
[03:27] <buck> hahaha
[03:27] <flaccid> try more distros... whatever..
[03:27] <dawiz> their is no need to go through the hassle of doing anything else with this computer kubuntu meets all my needs
[03:27] <championchap> get him on Gentoo
[03:27] <BluesKaj> Alloosh:  do you see the blue icon with letter K down in the panel?
[03:27] <flaccid> people love to swear on something they know nothing about...
[03:27] <buck> yeah .. im telling you .. i am having more success
[03:27] <stdin> buck: just like applications, you should try them all and pick the one YOU like, not the one they TELL you to like
[03:27] <Alloosh> blueskaj, NO!
[03:27] <flaccid> 'i swear on this' 'why', 'i just do'
[03:27] <dawiz> i think i might go to str8 deb tho, if i get bored with the simplicity
[03:27] <buck> with ubuntu/kubuntu/fb
[03:28] <dawiz> lol
[03:28] <BluesKaj> Alloosh:  are on Kubuntu or ubuntu
[03:28] <buck> i messed with debian before ..
[03:28] <flaccid> most people that swear on stuff have no idea.
[03:28] <dawiz> i just like apt-get
[03:28] <Alloosh> ok
[03:28] <Alloosh> ok
[03:28] <dawiz> lol
[03:28] <Alloosh> got you
[03:28] <championchap> Ubuntu and Debian are pretty similar really
[03:28] <dawiz> it rocks
[03:28] <Alloosh> iam ubuntu
[03:28] <dawiz> the repositories are immense
[03:28] <Alloosh> I have to go to ubuntu chat right ?
[03:28] <buck> yeah and knoppix
[03:28] <dawiz> yeah they are
[03:28] <buck> i tried redhat hated it .. and mandrake
[03:29] <flaccid> the debian system is just better than rpm . its pretty simple
[03:29] <buck> i seemed to like the debian base distros
[03:29] <JRL01192> isn't apt-get pretty new to the linux community
[03:29] <dawiz> man packages in slack can be a pain sometimes
[03:29] <buck> for ease
[03:29] <BluesKaj> it should be in the program menu Alloosh
[03:29] <flaccid> JRL01192: nope
[03:29] <championchap> first time i played with Linux at all i used the SLAX Live CD. Fell in love there and then
[03:29] <dawiz> compiling everything from source...ugh
[03:29] <buck> is it true that we are gonna get CNR like linspire
[03:29] <flaccid> what is CNR
[03:29] <stdin> I've used SuSE, mandrake/mandrive, Debian, Fedore and some others I don't even remember.
[03:29] <buck> click and run
[03:29] <dawiz> slack rules
[03:30] <flaccid> sounds like a load of shit to me
[03:30] <flaccid> ooops
[03:30] <stdin> !language
[03:30] <ubotu> Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[03:30] <flaccid> !language > flaccid
[03:30] <dawiz> if you need an os like that
[03:30] <JRL01192> slack rulz until the kernel crashes
[03:30] <flaccid> even though shit is in the dictionary and normal language where i am..
[03:30] <buck> !shit
[03:30] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about shit - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:30] <dawiz> yeha if it crashes
[03:30] <flaccid> !shite
[03:30] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about shite - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:30] <buck> nope not in the bots dictionary
[03:30] <dawiz> slack is famous for its uptimes
[03:30] <buck> i think he was refering to LOAD
[03:31] <flaccid> bsd is more famous for uptimes than linux
[03:31] <championchap> BSD scares me
[03:31] <dawiz> well bsd is pretty widely used
[03:31] <buck> okay .. BSD i tried that ones
[03:31] <JRL01192> slack is infamous for updating kernels
[03:31] <dawiz> lol
[03:31] <BluesKaj> Alloosh:  but yes, you should join #ubuntu chat
[03:31] <dawiz> slack 12 has 2.6 now
[03:31] <buck> so this sytem updates kernels 2 times  a year
[03:32] <flaccid> bsd never updates kernels. sweet.
[03:32] <dawiz> it was always standard in slack to update the kernel upon install since stock is a 2.4
[03:32] <JRL01192> :)
[03:32] <buck> its not that hard to update kernal .. correct
[03:32] <buck> i just have to configure kernel
[03:32] <JRL01192> lol if you want the benifits that is
[03:32] <dawiz> i dont think its too hard
[03:32] <buck> and load in the latest one
[03:33] <dawiz> tons of howtos out there
[03:33] <JRL01192> if you don't*
[03:33] <flaccid> rarely is there benefits...
[03:33] <buck> yeah .  i did it
[03:33] <buck> was long and hard
[03:33] <buck> and didnt work . haha h
[03:33] <flaccid> feel free to tell me the benefits
[03:33] <buck> so now i am affraid
[03:33] <JRL01192> lol I remember everytime I try to update the slackware KErnel it always crashed on me
[03:33] <JRL01192> it was like 98% success rate
[03:33] <flaccid> ubuntu installs and updates grub kernel wise for you
[03:34] <dawiz> never had an issue in slack with the kernel
[03:34] <dawiz> only upgraded the kernel a couple times tho
[03:34] <buck> so 7.10 should install on its own
[03:34] <JRL01192> I never upgraded the kernel since it was soo old
[03:34] <dawiz> i wish something wouldve installed on this old thinkpad
[03:35] <dawiz> i cant believe im installing winblows
[03:35] <flaccid> if a kernel update is available it will do it and update grub
[03:35] <buck> benifits of kernel updating are like /usb support / epci etc etc
[03:35] <buck> hardware mods to the core ..
[03:35] <dawiz> yep to go wifi in slack i updated the kernel
[03:35] <JRL01192> :)
[03:36] <dawiz> that was like slack 9
[03:36] <flaccid> buck: negative
[03:36] <buck> i was amazed when i plugged in my USB wifi .. and it found it a.. and allowed me to install my bc43xx
[03:36] <JRL01192> good ol slack days there was never a day I wasn't pissed
[03:36] <flaccid> a point release of the 2.6 kernel aint going to give you anything
[03:36] <dawiz> lol
[03:36] <dawiz> yeah teaches you alot about nix tho
[03:37] <JRL01192> hell yes
[03:37] <buck> kernel how to has been removed for review
[03:37] <BluesKaj> !offtopic
[03:37] <ubotu> #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[03:37] <buck> sorry for the off topic
[03:37] <buck> !language
[03:37] <ubotu> Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[03:38] <flaccid> !language > flaccid
[03:38] <BluesKaj> ppl are reluctant to ask questions if there's too much "insider" talk going on
[03:38] <buck> !language | flaccid
[03:38] <ubotu> flaccid: Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[03:38] <dawiz> they are?
[03:38] <flaccid> danke
[03:38] <stdin> dawiz: yes
[03:39] <buck> yeah .. i understand ..
[03:39] <buck> im learning how to rebuild my kernel
[03:39] <dawiz> not sure what you base that on
[03:39] <JRL01192> how do I disable a connection in nestat?
[03:39] <dawiz> man netstat
[03:39] <championchap> if everyone is talking about compiling software from source etc, then the "noobs" will feel like idiots for not knowing how to use the update manager or something
[03:39] <buck> netstat --help
[03:40] <happytiger> Openoffice has been  broken in gutsy for nearly 3 weeks now anybody nows why and status on this?
[03:40] <stdin> JRL01192: you stop the process that's connected
[03:40] <ubuntu______> !op
[03:40] <ubotu> Help! Riddell, fdoving, Mez, jpatrick, seth_k, apokryphos, nalioth, Hobbsee, robotgeek, imbrandon, gnomefreak, Hawkwind, trappist, LjL, Jucato,  haggai, fooishbar, crimsun, seth, apokryphos, DBO, nixternal or PriceChild!
[03:40] <stdin> happytiger: #ubuntu+1
[03:40] <dawiz> sounds like low self esteem to me
[03:40] <dawiz> lol
[03:40] <BluesKaj> dawiz:  if you want prove yer knowledge, then help someone
[03:41] <buck> !kdesystemguard
[03:41] <dawiz> got a question?
[03:41] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about kdesystemguard - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:41] <happytiger> :-) thx stdin
[03:41] <buck> !kde system guard
[03:41] <dawiz> no ones askin
[03:41] <dawiz> beem a minute
[03:41] <buck> kde system gaurd looks like a utility that can do that
[03:41] <stdin> michalek: why did you call !op?
[03:42] <michalek> i don't know
[03:42] <michalek> what can id o
[03:43] <buck> what is this sytem guard
[03:43] <stdin> michalek: if you abuse the !op call then you can be kicked or banned
[03:43] <dawiz> i dont know everything obviuosly, but what i do know i love to share as free and open  knowledge
[03:43] <Hobbsee> ubuntu___: ?
[03:43] <ksivaji> stdin hi
[03:43] <ksivaji> !lamp
[03:43] <ubotu> LAMP is an acronym for Linux-Apache-MySQL-PHP. However, the term is often used for setups using alternative but different software, such as Perl or Python instead of PHP, and Postgres instead of MySQL. For help with setting up LAMP on Ubuntu, see  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ApacheMySQLPHP - See also the Server CD installation process (different in Edgy+)
[03:43] <dawiz> kinda like my os
[03:43] <Hobbsee> michalek: ?
[03:43] <michalek> stdin: oh ok i will never do it again
[03:44] <stdin> michalek: only do that if you need the ops help, if there is someone ignoring the rules
[03:44] <flaccid> !info ksysguard
[03:44] <ubotu> ksysguard: system guard for KDE. In component main, is optional. Version 4:3.5.6-0ubuntu20.1 (feisty), package size 508 kB, installed size 1596 kB
[03:44] <michalek> ok
[03:44] <buck> seams like i have XORG running
[03:44] <ksivaji> lol
[03:44] <stdin> buck: yes, that's what gives you graphics :p
[03:45] <buck> !watchdog
[03:45] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about watchdog - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:45] <buck> wb massi_
[03:45] <dawiz> man xp took about an hour to format this 10gb hd
[03:45] <dawiz> lol
[03:46] <Riddell> michalek: hmm?
[03:46] <buck> an hour damn that a long time
[03:46] <Dr_willis> dawiz,  ive noticed that xp is amazingly slow in formating..
[03:46] <flaccid> buck: where did you get 'watchdog' from?
[03:46] <Dr_willis> the quick format options rarely seem quicker
[03:46] <buck> its in my process table
[03:46] <dawiz> nope it was almost as slow
[03:46] <flaccid> buck: in kubuntu?
[03:46] <dawiz> i started over thinking something was wrong it was so slow
[03:47] <buck> .. i am in FB which i believe is based on KDE
[03:47] <flaccid> FB?
[03:47] <dawiz> buck: have you tried icewm
[03:47] <runlevelten> it's not.
[03:47] <dawiz> ?
[03:47] <runlevelten> buck: it's not.
[03:47] <buck> fluxbox
[03:47] <Dr_willis> FB?
[03:47] <flaccid> fluxbox nothing to do with kde
[03:47] <Dr_willis> Fluxbox is not based on kde at all.
[03:47] <Dr_willis> :)
[03:47] <dawiz> try icewm you might like it
[03:47] <buck> .. really .. well it show more KDE tools than KDE does
[03:48] <Dr_willis> blackbox,openbox,flusbox,
[03:48] <Dr_willis> shows where?
[03:48] <buck> when i click on screen
[03:48] <Dr_willis> You mean the app menus?
[03:48] <runlevelten> that's a text file - ~/.fluxbox/menu
[03:48] <flaccid> watchdog must be some kernel thang or somehing.there is a swsoft product called the same, but i can' be that
[03:48] <buck> yeah .. show more k -- programs
[03:48] <buck> kde has lot less
[03:48] <flaccid> lol whats a kde tool heh
[03:48] <JRL01192> !klogd
[03:48] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about klogd - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:49] <PhinnFort> !find ksyslog
[03:49] <runlevelten> buck: lots of stuff has been gutted out of the kmenu in kubuntu.
[03:49] <Dr_willis> most all the menu items are generated on the fly, on myt systems fluxbox and kde, show about the same stuff.. I normally clean out the menus greately. :)
[03:49] <ubotu> Package/file ksyslog does not exist in feisty
[03:49] <PhinnFort> !find ksystemlog
[03:49] <ubotu> Found: ksystemlog
[03:49] <PhinnFort> !info ksystemlog
[03:49] <ubotu> ksystemlog: log viewing application. In component main, is optional. Version 0.3.2-0ubuntu5 (feisty), package size 192 kB, installed size 692 kB
[03:49] <flaccid> mysef, i don't care about the menus so much.i care about stabiility which is lacking a lot of the time
[03:49] <buck> icecream .. i can apt-get install icecream
[03:50] <PhinnFort> tried tastymenu?
[03:50] <PhinnFort> it's an excellent k-menu replacement
[03:50] <JRL01192> thnks
[03:50] <buck> watchdog .. this is PID 3 ..
[03:50] <buck> what exactly does this watch
[03:50] <runlevelten> I use alt f2 in kubuntu. the k menu is basically useless now.
[03:51] <runlevelten> half the apps are missing, the hierarchy's been stuffed up, etc.
[03:51] <PhinnFort> buck: your systems responsivity
[03:51] <Allergen_> hi all
[03:51] <buck> .. you mention system responsivity ?>?
[03:51] <buck> thats what watchdog is
[03:51] <PhinnFort> runlevelten: try moving the .local dir in your home dir somewhere else
[03:51] <PhinnFort> buck: if your system hangs, it's supposed to reboot it for you
[03:51] <PhinnFort> afaik
[03:52] <buck> ahh .. cool ..
[03:52] <buck> thank you
[03:52] <Allergen_> ( someone who knows how to compilate SDL? )
[03:52] <buck> im still haveing difficult time with midi
[03:52] <flaccid> Allergen_: you don't need to compile sdl?
[03:52] <dawiz> midi?
[03:52] <flaccid> !midi
[03:52] <ubotu> Trouble playing MIDI files? Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MidiSoftwareSynthesisHowTo
[03:52] <PhinnFort> yw
[03:52] <dawiz> whats the trouble?
[03:52] <Allergen_> flaccid: i d like to use sdl in programs
[03:52] <buck> i will try this again
[03:53] <flaccid> Allergen_: install the package sdl
[03:53] <Allergen_> flaccid: but when i compilate and execute ... nothing hapen
[03:53] <flaccid> my bad
[03:53] <Allergen_> flaccid: i ve got librairies
[03:53] <flaccid> Allergen_: im just looking now. the libraries should all be thats required
[03:54] <runlevelten> thanks PhinnFort.
[03:54] <Allergen_> flaccid : i juste ust the Konsole witg gcc command, to compilate
[03:54] <PhinnFort> runlevelten: np
[03:54] <michalek> how can i get to my files by kubuntu?
[03:55] <Dr_willis> michalek,  clarify that a bit....
[03:55] <buck> cp: cannot stat `/usr/share/doc/timidity-patches-eaw/examples/timidity.cfg': No such file or directory
[03:55] <buck> i get this error
[03:55] <flaccid> Allergen_: why are you compiling sdl?
[03:55] <flaccid> michalek: using mouse?
[03:55] <Dr_willis> On IRC it pays to be very clear and concise. :) but not overly verbose.
[03:55] <buck> its not needed .. okay ..
[03:55] <dawiz> buck: your prolly typing something wrong
[03:55] <flaccid> buck: there file does not exist
[03:55] <buck> no . copy paste
[03:56] <buck> okay . now i will to timidity myfile.mid.. (myfile = crawling.mid)
[03:56] <michalek> ok but i have windows and now i'm using kubuntu live-cd
[03:56] <buck> and nothing
[03:56] <dawiz> buck: $man cp
[03:56] <Allergen_> flaccid: i want to learn how to open windows from a program-C, and i d like to make games later
[03:56] <runlevelten> I really need to get off my backside and get an alternative kmenu built for kubuntu at some point.
[03:57] <flaccid> Allergen_: learn how to program
[03:57] <ksivaji> when i restart my apache server i am not getting any ok message or something which intimate that apache is restarted
[03:57] <Allergen_> flaccid: in fact i want to use ths sdl fonctions... and i d like to compilate my programme in c
[03:57] <ksivaji> sivaji@sivaji-desktop:~$ sudo /etc/init.d/apache2 restart.
[03:57] <ksivaji> sivaji@sivaji-desktop:~$ sudo /etc/init.d/apache2 restart.
[03:57] <PhinnFort> yes
[03:57] <Allergen_> flaccid: i know the C
[03:57] <buck> how do i change that cp
[03:57] <Allergen_> flaccid: but i don t know how to compilate projetc
[03:57] <flaccid> Allergen_: if you are having problems, we dont support programming here
[03:57] <Dr_willis> michalek,  look in /media/ see if your windows drive is shown there.
[03:57] <buck> still wants to go there .. because i pointed it to something that doesnt exsist
[03:57] <Dr_willis> michalek,  or in media:/ in the filemanager
[03:58] <buck> man cp thanks
[03:58] <Allergen_> flaccid: it ' s not programming program
[03:58] <Allergen_> flaccid : problem*
[03:58] <flaccid> Allergen_: show me a specific error message then
[03:59] <buck> i dont konw man
[03:59] <buck> grrr
[03:59] <flaccid> buck: you can't copy a file that doesn't exist
[03:59] <buck> i know ..
[03:59] <flaccid> the question is why it doesn't exist
[03:59] <flaccid> etc.
[04:00] <buck> but now i did that .. when i type timidity xxx.mid gives me error
[04:00] <flaccid> sorry can't help there
[04:00] <NickPresta> ksivaji, depending on the script in /etc/init.d/apache, you won't get a confirmation message after restart - I know I don't. Open up /etc/init.d/apache2 and see the section for restart and if it outputs anything...
[04:01] <ksivaji> NickPresta ho ok ok
[04:01] <buck> i think i am figuring this out ..
[04:01] <flaccid> yeah i don't think apache2ctl (which is inappropriately renamed) outputs success agreed NickPresta
[04:01] <stdin> ksivaji: edited /etc/default/apache2 yet?
[04:02] <NickPresta> I wrote my own /etc/init.d/apache so I only get output for "status"
[04:02] <flaccid> you can do sudo apache2ctl graceful for a lot of minor config changes
[04:02] <Allergen_> flaccid: i dont know how to compilate in fact
[04:02] <stdin> ksivaji: you need to change NO_START=1 to NO_START=0
[04:02] <Allergen_> esteban@ubuntu:~/C$ sudo gcc sdltest.c -o programme -lSDL
[04:02] <Allergen_> esteban@ubuntu:~/C$ ./programme
[04:02] <Allergen_> and nothing happen
[04:02] <flaccid> NickPresta: sorry that we don't support your script....
[04:02] <flaccid> !compile
[04:02] <ubotu> Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for pre-built !packages first: not all !repositories are enabled by default!)
[04:02] <Allergen_> thanks
[04:03] <buck> how do i un cp something
[04:03] <NickPresta> flaccid, I'm well aware you don't :-) I was simply pointing out that I don't have a vanilla installation of apache and I don't have the same /etc/init.d/apache script so I can't check myself.
[04:03] <dawiz> rm
[04:03] <flaccid> buck: not possible
[04:03] <stdin> buck: rm = remove
[04:04] <flaccid> NickPresta: np. we support ubuntu packages here....not your 3rd party.
[04:04] <ksivaji> stdin NickPresta  i cant configure my apache server ?
[04:04] <buck> its cp
[04:04] <NickPresta> ksivaji, what do you mean?
[04:04] <buck> i think cp points rather
[04:04] <flaccid> !apache
[04:04] <ubotu> LAMP is an acronym for Linux-Apache-MySQL-PHP. However, the term is often used for setups using alternative but different software, such as Perl or Python instead of PHP, and Postgres instead of MySQL. For help with setting up LAMP on Ubuntu, see  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ApacheMySQLPHP - See also the Server CD installation process (different in Edgy+)
[04:04] <flaccid> buck: cp is just a command to copy.. you cant undo
[04:04] <buck> ahh cool
[04:05] <buck> thanks
[04:05] <ksivaji> flaccid ya that is what  i used to configure still i cant do
[04:05] <dawiz> you can remove what you copied tho
[04:05] <ksivaji> i have two apache server 1.3 and 2
[04:05] <buck> /usr/local/share/timidity/timidity.cfg: No such file or directory
[04:05] <buck> timidity: Can't read any configuration file
[04:05] <buck> /usr/local/share/timidity/timidity.cfg: No such file or directory
[04:05] <buck> timidity: Can't read any configuration file
[04:05] <flaccid> ksivaji: dont know what you are talking about
[04:05] <flaccid> !pastebin
[04:05] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[04:06] <flaccid> !info timidity
[04:06] <ubotu> timidity: Software sound renderer (MIDI sequencer, MOD player). In component universe, is optional. Version 2.13.2-11ubuntu1 (feisty), package size 541 kB, installed size 1704 kB
[04:06] <NickPresta> ksivaji, you have compiled apache (both 1.3 and 2) from source? Or did you install them via repository?
[04:06] <buck> okay ..
[04:07] <buck> found that its not there..
[04:07] <ksivaji> via repository
[04:07] <flaccid> buck: you could touch /usr/local/share/timidity/timidity.cfg but thats not going to create  config. consult timidity doco
[04:07] <NickPresta> ksivaji, did you install them following the instructions on: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ApacheMySQLPHP
[04:07] <flaccid> ksivaji: you only what 1 or 2. i prefer 1
[04:07] <dawiz> what are you trying to do with timidity?
[04:07] <dawiz> install?
[04:08] <buck> there is not timidity dir in usr/local
[04:08] <flaccid> buck: indeed
[04:08] <ksivaji> NickPresta yes
[04:08] <flaccid> you might need to create them, but that may not help. i would be reading the doco of it
[04:08] <buck> but i installed it like it said ..
[04:08] <NickPresta> ksivaji, so what do you mean that you cannot configure apache?
[04:08] <buck> and says i already have the version when i try and redo it
[04:08] <dawiz> installed with no errors?
[04:08] <joao> !ati
[04:08] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[04:09] <dawiz> did you compile from source?
[04:09] <buck> where is the docu
[04:09] <dawiz> prolly the readme in the timidity folder
[04:09] <ksivaji> NickPresta i mean i followed the instruction given in that link still i am not getting
[04:09] <flaccid> buck: google.
[04:09] <flaccid> buck: 1st result.
[04:10] <ksivaji> NickPresta can you get me ?
[04:10] <NickPresta> ksivaji, well, assuming the installation went fine, you need to edit your httpd.conf (called apache2.conf if you installed from repo. according to the link). You should take a few minutes to look through it and edit what you need.
[04:10] <newbram> being new to kubuntu and having trouble with one step of getting kde 4 beta 1 to work, can I bother someone?
[04:11] <NickPresta> ksivaji, you need to restart after any changes too: sudo /etc/init.d/apache2 restart
[04:11] <flaccid> newbram: not here. try #ubuntu+1
[04:11] <dawiz> whats up new?
[04:11] <newbram> okay, thanks
[04:11] <joao> kubuntu for default brings soft in C development? gcc?
[04:11] <ksivaji> NickPresta ok i will try once again
[04:11] <buck> grrtrrrr
[04:11] <newbram> i'll go to #ubuntu+1
[04:11] <buck> i have been on this for days now
[04:12] <flaccid> buck: what are you trying to achev
[04:12] <flaccid> achieve
[04:12] <NickPresta> joao, I believe you need to install build-essential (sudo apt-get install build-essential)
[04:12] <buck> well i have a midi keyboard.. and i want to beable to play it o
[04:12] <buck> but alsa doesnt rec my onboard midi
[04:13] <buck> and everyone say install timidity
[04:13] <dawiz> not familaiar with midi sequencers
[04:13] <joao> NickPresta: ok thanks :)
[04:13] <buck> and here i am with that fruitless install instructions
[04:13] <dawiz> esp in nix
[04:13] <flaccid> thats linux
[04:13] <flaccid> it sux
[04:13] <dawiz> would be nice to run rane serato in nix tho
[04:14] <buck> so back to viewing some porn ..  and more vicodine
[04:14] <dawiz> lol
[04:14] <runlevelten> I'd help you with it, but I've never been near setting up a midi keyboard, heh
[04:14] <flaccid> buck: did you try the wiki first?
[04:15] <buck> wiki for the midi
[04:15] <dawiz> buck i dont think thats very well charted territory in nix yet
[04:15] <flaccid> buck: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MidiSoftwareSynthesisHowTo
[04:15] <flaccid> yes..
[04:15] <flaccid> if that doesn't work , nothing willl...
[04:15] <buck> yeah .. thats what i do ..
[04:15] <dawiz> if you use lots of music gear you need a mac really
[04:16] <dawiz> protools
[04:16] <buck> hahaha ..
[04:16] <buck> i want to prove i dont need windows
[04:16] <dawiz> mac isnt windows
[04:16] <Dr_willis> go back to the C64 - Sid Tunes Rocked!
[04:16] <Dr_willis> :)
[04:16] <dawiz> its unix
[04:16] <flaccid> depends on what you are doing
[04:16] <buck> and if i can get my m-audio e49 working ..
[04:16] <flaccid> rosegarden + audacity = np
[04:16] <buck> i will prove that
[04:17] <flaccid> buck: is that usb
[04:17] <ksivaji> apache2: Syntax error on line 189 of /etc/apache2/apache2.conf: Could not open configuration file /etc/apache2/httpd.conf: No such file or directory
[04:17] <buck> yes
[04:17] <buck> i installed rosegarden
[04:17] <buck> and it sees my device
[04:17] <flaccid> buck: i think i've had that one working before
[04:17] <buck> but it doesnt record the keystrokes
[04:17] <ksivaji> please someone paste that line 189 of /etc/apache2/apache2.conf
[04:17] <ksivaji> this*
[04:18] <buck> i can set it up as input device tho.. its cool that it found it ..
[04:18] <Dr_willis>  ls -l /etc/apache2/httpd.conf
[04:18] <Dr_willis> ls: /etc/apache2/httpd.conf: No such file or directory
[04:18] <Dr_willis> I dont have one either. :)
[04:18] <flaccid> ksivaji: the file doesn't exist on your system. reinstall the package after purging it.
[04:18] <genii> httpd.conf is not a needed file nowadays
[04:18] <buck> if i can get it working .. than  i can throw away windows..
[04:19] <flaccid> genii: since when. its the main httpd conf
[04:19] <buck> i think i need the sound packages
[04:19] <buck> thats what its looking for
[04:19] <flaccid> what sound packages?
[04:19] <flaccid> do a file search on http://packages.ubuntu.com
[04:20] <buck> http://www.linuxquestions.org/linux/answers/Applications_GUI_Multimedia/Three_Steps_to_MIDI_on_Linux
[04:20] <dawiz> if you want throw away windows, and use music gear, and really any multimedia for that matter, then buy a mac
[04:20] <dawiz> unless basic multimedia stuff
[04:20] <joao> Open the restricted drivers manager included in 7.04 "System -> Administration -> Restricted Drivers Manager" and select "ATI accelerated graphics driver". This will hopefully enable fglrx in a painless way. If not, follow the instructions for Edgy.    and for KDE whic menus i use?
[04:20] <flaccid> lots of people stlll do audio on unix
[04:20] <buck> when i can install mac on a more robust system sure
[04:20] <dawiz> well mac is unix
[04:20] <buck> i will get mac
[04:20] <genii> flaccid: It's just a placeholder file with no contents anymore sincde apache went from 1.3 series to 2
[04:21] <dawiz> robust sytem?
[04:21] <buck> but 2400 for a 1300 system iis not good
[04:21] <dawiz> the new macs are pretty damn robust
[04:21] <flaccid> genii: correct. its not a good thing.
[04:21] <dawiz> and powerpc owned
[04:21] <flaccid> apache projects hates debian for its implementation of apache..
[04:21] <dawiz> well win wont install either
[04:21] <cloakable> Hehe
[04:21] <dawiz> lol
[04:21] <dawiz> bad drive
[04:21] <dawiz> that explains why nothing installs
[04:21] <dawiz> lol
[04:22] <ksivaji> apache2: Syntax error on line 189 of /etc/apache2/apache2.conf: Syntax error on line 66 of /etc/apache2/httpd.conf: ServerRoot must be a valid directory
[04:22] <buck> i like the MAC os but its too narrow..
[04:22] <dawiz> must be some bad blocks
[04:22] <ksivaji> please paste that line here
[04:22] <dawiz> narrow?
[04:22] <dawiz> have you used osX lately?
[04:23] <buck> ... its built for yesterdays technology
[04:23] <dawiz> how do you figure?
[04:23] <buck> .. no i see that a 7300 nvidia was a dumb idea
[04:23] <flaccid> ksivaji: ServerRoot "/etc/apache2"
[04:23] <buck> when they could have put a top of the line gtx in it
[04:23] <zecrazytux> hey
[04:23] <buck> for the money that you pay \
[04:23] <buck> overpriced HW is what mac is about
[04:24] <zecrazytux> is it possible to show the previous user session in KDM ?
[04:24] <buck> very stable .. system .. and for the media its great . but does not justify  the overpiceing of the system
[04:24] <dawiz> gtx?
[04:24] <buck> the gtx line of the nvidia gpu
[04:24] <dawiz> its spendy
[04:24] <dawiz> ohj
[04:24] <dawiz> i prefer ati
[04:25] <buck> .. yeah .. but you are paying 1500 more for the system
[04:25] <dawiz> more than what sytem?
[04:25] <buck> why not put high end graphix card in i t..
[04:25] <ksivaji> apache2: Syntax error on line 189 of /etc/apache2/apache2.conf: Syntax error on line 204 of /etc/apache2/httpd.conf: Could not open configuration file /etc/apache/modules.conf: No such file or directory
[04:25] <genii> ksivaji: Do you have anything in directory /etc/apache2/sites-enabled   ? eg: 000-default    or so
[04:25] <buck> ECC memory .. again OVERPRICED .
[04:25] <dawiz> it does have a high end gfx card
[04:26] <buck> they should go with 2 core2 duos and a high end graphix card..
[04:26] <flaccid> ksivaji: reinstall apache2 after purging it, or learn apache
[04:26] <ksivaji> genii yes i have one file text mysite in that dir
[04:26] <buck> you are not running a server on the MAC .. why the ECC memory
[04:26] <buck> dumb
[04:26] <genii> ksivaji: I'm noticing you are trying to use some apache1 dir in an apache2 conf file
[04:26] <dawiz> 2 core duos is pushing it for 1-2k
[04:26] <zecrazytux> please, is it possible to show the previous user session in KDM ?
[04:26] <buck> i have the eawpats
[04:27] <dawiz> and what laptop can you get better than a mac for the money?
[04:27] <dawiz> mac desktops i would never buy
[04:27] <genii> ksivaji: eg: Could not open the configuration file /etc/apache/modules.conf      <-- note apache and not apache2 here
[04:27] <flaccid> ksivaji: its wierd how your apache2 is referencing apache 1...
[04:27] <buck> mac  tops are cool .. and are better priced than thier desktops
[04:27] <dawiz> mac laptops own
[04:28] <flaccid> they suck
[04:28] <ksivaji> genii flaccid ya what to do i think i have  both apache 2 and 1.3
[04:28] <dawiz> all laptops are proprietary
[04:28] <[ifr0g] > I am using dhcp on two interfaces, and only the first work.  How can i make it work on both ?
[04:28] <dawiz> mac laptops rule
[04:28] <BluesKaj> !offtopic | dawiz buck
[04:28] <ubotu> dawiz buck: #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[04:28] <flaccid> ksivaji: like i said. remove all via purge then install apache2 only
[04:28] <dawiz> lol
[04:28] <ksivaji> ok
[04:28] <genii> ksivaji: Yes, I would recommend that also
[04:28] <flaccid> find me a dual dvi notebook please
[04:29] <dawiz> blues are you like the kubuntu police?
[04:29] <BluesKaj> dawiz, buck yer filling the chat with mac talk ...pls leave room for kubuntu questions and answers
[04:30] <Hobbsee> dawiz: there are many ops around.
[04:30] <buck> hahah
[04:30] <dawiz> like where?
[04:30] <Hobbsee> do you really need to know?
[04:30] <buck> cops
[04:30] <dawiz> i dont see any ops
[04:31] <dawiz> sorry for the small talk geez
[04:31] <buck> bow now to the popo
[04:31] <Hobbsee> dawiz: that's because they stay deop'd, so as not to arouse questions
[04:31] <heeven> !ati
[04:31] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[04:31] <dawiz> lol
[04:31] <The_Machine> for some reason everything i bring up that's KDE related is giving me this error message:  Could not find mime type application/octet-stream
[04:32] <dawiz> you base the staements not on fact
[04:32] <The_Machine> If i click on "OK" then the app will launch.
[04:32] <Hobbsee> git.
[04:32] <dawiz> lol
[04:33] <dawiz> so anal
[04:33] <Hobbsee> ....
[04:33] <dawiz> lol
[04:33] <heeven> anal?
[04:33] <heeven> :p
[04:34] <BluesKaj> The_Machine: i had the same problem yesterday , just login and out, it may solve your prob
[04:34] <The_Machine> BluesKaj, i rebooted, it's still there.
[04:34] <dawiz> do you think i really give a fuck im here to help if your going to harass me and play hall monitor you can shove it and ill take my help elsewhere
[04:34] <Hobbsee> !language | dawiz
[04:34] <ubotu> dawiz: Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[04:34] <genii> The_Machine: Do you have in /etc/mime.types   the entry  application/octet-stream                        bin              ?
[04:34] <zecrazytux> is there a way to show the output of a command in KDM, please ?
[04:34] <Hobbsee> dawiz: i just read the backscroll - how is talking about macs "helping"?
[04:34] <dawiz> there is nothing going on
[04:34] <dawiz> small talk
[04:35] <Hobbsee> dawiz: i suspect you want #ubuntu-offtopic
[04:35] <dawiz> with someone i was trying to help
[04:36] <dawiz> it wasnt off topic actually because we were discussing his midi sequencer and i suggested a mac very on the topic of midi sequencers
[04:36] <The_Machine> gene_, yes.  application/octet-stream			bin
[04:36] <The_Machine> sorry, genii
[04:36] <dawiz> so dont talk to anyone in here unless im answering a question about kubuntu?
[04:36] <ksivaji> still i am getting same error "apache2: Syntax error on line 189 of /etc/apache2/apache2.conf: Syntax error on line 204 of /etc/apache2/httpd.conf: Could not open configuration file /etc/apache/modules.conf: No such file or directory"
[04:36] <dawiz> is that what your saying?
[04:36] <ksivaji> genii flaccid
[04:37] <Hobbsee> @btlogin
[04:37] <dawiz> ???
[04:37] <Gh0Sty2K> Hi
[04:37] <dawiz> thats essentially im perceiving here
[04:37] <genii> The_Machine: Is there a space or tab between application/octet-stream   and bin or squished together like you pasted?
[04:37] <Gh0Sty2K> I have installed the server version of ubuntu how do i enable the visual environment?
[04:37] <The_Machine> space
[04:37] <The_Machine> it just pasted weird.
[04:37] <zecrazytux> is there a way to show the output of a command in KDM, please ?
[04:38] <genii> ksivaji: You didn't obviously use the purge when you uninstalled it or that would have wiped out the old conf files
[04:38] <pag> Gh0Sty2K, sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop  if you want the Kubuntu installation
[04:38] <ardchoille> Gh0Sty2K: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[04:38] <The_Machine> genii:  any suggestions? :)
[04:39] <Gh0Sty2K> it never asked for root password when installing, what would this be?
[04:39] <The_Machine> Gh0Sty2K, :)  use your password
[04:39] <Gh0Sty2K> k :)
[04:39] <flaccid> !root > Gh0Sty2K
[04:39] <Pazy> Can someone help me, when I was attempting to install the Nvidia drivers I f'd up the Kubuntu.. When I loaded up it said No Moniters Detected so i tried dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg and followed what it said to get the same message
[04:39] <genii> The_Machine: No immediate solution comes to mind, unfortunately
[04:40] <The_Machine> genii, thanks for trying anyway :)
[04:40] <dawiz> hmm been a min since i did that one pazy
[04:40] <flaccid> nvidia is kernel mod, so if change kernels you need to reinstall/compile the driver
[04:40] <dawiz> have you tried reinstalling drivers?
[04:40] <ksivaji> genii will you ssh into my system and fix that
[04:40] <chartoin> hello
[04:40] <Ash-Fox> Pazy, 'sudo rm /etc/X11/xorg.conf' then sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[04:40] <Daisuke_Ido> ardchoille: i would recommend using aptitude to install kubuntu-desktop, because if he wants to remove it, it will be easier that way
[04:41] <chartoin> can I get kubuntu help
[04:41] <Ash-Fox> Pazy, this will make auto detecton work again.
[04:41] <NickPresta> !ask | chartoin
[04:41] <ubotu> chartoin: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[04:41] <Pazy> Ah thanks ill write that down and try again
[04:41] <Ash-Fox> Pazy, in future I would suggest you install 'restricted-manager', and run it using 'kdesu restricted-manager', and tick the drivers you want.
[04:41] <Hobbsee> Ash-Fox: there's one for kubuntu now, btw
[04:41] <ksivaji> NickPresta flaccid genii please ssh into my system to fix apache bug
[04:41] <Hobbsee> Ash-Fox: unsure what it's called, though
[04:41] <Ash-Fox> Hobbsee, oh? What is it called?
[04:42] <genii> ksivaji: I'd rather not actually.  Just do:   sudo apt-get --purge remove apache apache2    then   sudo apt-get install apache2
[04:42] <chartoin> OK you are ignoring me
[04:42] <chartoin> Beryl is not working on my PC
[04:42] <flaccid> ksivaji: sorry don't do that.
[04:42] <Hobbsee> chartoin: you probably got ignored because you didnt ask a decent question.
[04:42] <Hobbsee> !beryl | chartoin
[04:42] <ubotu> chartoin: beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. Help in #ubuntu-effects
[04:42] <Daisuke_Ido> no one is ignoring you, you never asked a question.
[04:42] <ksivaji> genii ho God i did that
[04:42] <rjune> are the KDE4 packages actively updated?
[04:42] <BluesKaj> !beryl
[04:42] <chartoin> thnx
[04:42] <NickPresta> ksivaji, I would suggest you 1. purge apache and apache2 and then install apache2. You can then post your vanilla httpd.conf file for us to help you with, if you need help.
[04:43] <Hobbsee> rjune: yes - the snapshots that they do
[04:43] <Ash-Fox> rjune, yes they are.
[04:43] <Hobbsee> chartoin: you might want to read http://www.sabi.co.uk/Notes/linuxHelpAsk.html
[04:43] <Ash-Fox> Hobbsee, I don't seem to find this manager under apt-cache :/
[04:43] <Hobbsee> Ash-Fox: restricted-manager-kde
[04:43] <Hobbsee> (gutsy)
[04:43] <rjune> do either of you guys know if they're usable in fiesty?
[04:43] <ksivaji> Setting up apache2 (2.2.3-3.2build1) ...
[04:43] <ksivaji> sivaji@sivaji-desktop:~$
[04:43] <ksivaji> then
[04:43] <Ash-Fox> Hobbsee, yeah, I tend to use stable :P
[04:44] <dawiz> btw: the off topic room is just hoppin with ppl
[04:44] <Hobbsee> rjune: usable?  they mostly start, yes
[04:44] <dawiz> lol
[04:44] <flaccid> !ubuntu+1
[04:44] <ubotu> Gutsy Gibbon is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (7.10) | (due October 2007) | It is development software, as such unstable, support _only_ in #ubuntu+1
[04:44] <pag> rjune, well... KDE4 is currently at 'Codename Beta' stage - it's officially Beta, but it still works like alpha
[04:45] <ksivaji> pag hi
[04:45] <flaccid> hmm yeha gutsy doesn't even use kde4 sorry
[04:45] <pag> ksivaji, hello :)
[04:45] <NickPresta> ksivaji, you need to `locate apache2.conf`
[04:45] <BluesKaj> gutsy uses kde 3.5.7
[04:45] <rjune> flaccid: there are however, kde4 pkgs in the fiesty's repo
[04:45] <pvandewyngaerde> pag depends on how you define beta
[04:45] <genii> ksivaji: If you did the commands I put earlier and now it reinstalled apache2, try starting it like sudo /etc/init.d/apache2 restart
[04:45] <heeven> what kde4 brings new?
[04:45] <flaccid> rjune: true but support not in this chan
[04:45] <Ash-Fox> Configuration files for apache2 are located in /etc/apache2
[04:45] <abhijit>  why cant i boot from vista installation dvd after installing ubuntu?
[04:46] <Level15> abhijit: b/c vista is EVIL
[04:46] <flaccid> ksivaji: like i said 2 times before. purge apache packages and install apache2 pkg fresh :)
[04:46] <dawiz> a vista installation will prolly erase ubuntu
[04:46] <Ash-Fox> abhijit, there is nothing Ubuntu does to the system to prevent the vista install cd from starting.
[04:46] <pag> pvandewyngaerde, well yes - I just expected it to work a little better, and that comment just reflected my disappoiment :)
[04:46] <Pazy> Sounds like a Bios thing
[04:47] <Pazy> Do you know what your boot order is?
[04:47] <Ash-Fox> abhijit, you probably just need to set your CDROM priority.
[04:47] <ksivaji> flaccid ya i did purge still i am getting same error
[04:47] <abhijit> i did dat
[04:47] <ksivaji> apache2: Syntax error on line 189 of /etc/apache2/apache2.conf: Syntax error on line 204 of /etc/apache2/httpd.conf: Could not open configuration file /etc/apache/modules.conf: No such file or directory
[04:47] <NickPresta> ksivaji, which error exactly?
[04:47] <flaccid> ksivaji: that was after you reinstalled apache2 fresh?
[04:47] <rjune> flaccid: wasn't asking for support, just whether or not the pkgs were maintained and if anybody knew them to function
[04:47] <genii> Very odd that --purge didn't wipe out those conf files
[04:48] <flaccid> rjune: no problem. im not sure anyone here can answer that
[04:48] <NickPresta> ksivaji, apprently /etc/apache/modules.conf doesn't exist. but it should reflect /etc/apache2/modules, which means the configuration files were not deleted before. You should manually delete them
[04:48] <ksivaji> NickPresta see second line "/etc/apache/modules.conf: No such file or directory"
[04:48] <Ash-Fox> ksivaji, use the stock configuration or correct your configuration, the default apache2.conf does not have that directive, I checked myself with: grep /etc/apache/modules.conf /etc/apache2/apache2.conf
[04:48] <BluesKaj> pvandewyngaerde: gutsy is still not ready for those of us who use ati graphics and expect 3D and DRI ...in other words google earth etc
[04:48] <abhijit> my boot priority is ok but still i cannot boot from vista.i dont wanna waste my money as i have purchased a vista dvd
[04:49] <flaccid> actually to be honest
[04:49] <flaccid> which package gives the files for apache2
[04:50] <Ash-Fox> BluesKaj, actually google earth worked fine on my ati mobility m6 ly under gutsy when I tried it some time ago.
[04:50] <Pazy> If it was k/ubuntu (which is probably isnt) then unhooking the harddrive and then booting would work. Tried that?
[04:50] <BluesKaj> well abhijit , use a partition manager like gpatarted to makean ntfs partition for vista and install it
[04:50] <genii> flaccid: libapache2-something
[04:50] <abhijit> thanks blueskaj
[04:50] <BluesKaj> Ash-Fox: din't work on my onboard ati x200g :(
[04:51] <umar> ???
[04:51] <ksivaji> NickPresta what i should deledte
[04:51] <ksivaji> delete*
[04:51] <BluesKaj> gparted, abhijit
[04:51] <Ash-Fox> BluesKaj, tried installing the ati drivers via restricted-manager (or restricted-manager-kde which i haven't tried yet)
[04:51] <flaccid> hmmm
[04:51] <flaccid> ok
[04:52] <flaccid> ksivaji: please pastebin me the output of dpkg -l | grep -i apache
[04:52] <NickPresta> ksivaji, 1. uninstall apache and apache2 - use the --purge option. 2. `rm -r /etc/apache/ /etc/apache2/`. 3. install apache2
[04:52] <genii> maybe apache2-common now
[04:52] <flaccid> lets see what he has first
[04:53] <BluesKaj> Ash-Fox: gutsy can wait till someone comes up with a patch and a mod like this guy did for feisty:http://www.howforge.com/how-to-setup-fglrx-for-ubuntu-feisty
[04:53] <ksivaji> NickPresta ok
[04:53] <NickPresta> ksivaji, genii and flaccid appear to be more than capable of helping you. I'm on my way out. Good luck.,
[04:53] <Ash-Fox> BluesKaj, what was wrong with restricted-manager?
[04:53] <flaccid> gnight NickPresta
[04:54] <BluesKaj> Ash-Fox: didn't know about restricted manger
[04:54] <flaccid> can you run that thing on kubuntu ?
[04:54] <BluesKaj> er manager
[04:55] <Ash-Fox> flaccid, if you're referring to restricted-manager, sure.. install it, then 'kdesu restricted-manager' from alt + f2
[04:55] <flaccid> interesting. if only someone would update the wiki to reflect that :)
[04:55] <codex> hello i need a lil help on where i could find information on setting up sound. Iam not getting any sound to play.
[04:55] <flaccid> thanks muchly Ash-Fox
[04:55] <icefox> Are thier plans to package xdg-user-dirs (http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/xdg-user-dirs)?
[04:56] <flaccid> !sound > codex
[04:56] <codex> yes sound
[04:56] <flaccid> !sound
[04:56] <ubotu> If you're having problems with sound, first ensure ARTS is running, by going to K Menu -> System Settings -> Sound System and making sure "Enable the sound system" is checked. If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP3
[04:56] <BluesKaj> is there a restricted manager for kde ?
[04:56] <codex> thanks
[04:56] <stdin> BluesKaj: in gutsy
[04:56] <ksivaji> flaccid Ash-Fox NickPresta genii http://pastebin.com/d79171988
[04:57] <codex> i think my modem is conflicting with my sound drivers.
[04:57] <Ash-Fox> ksivaji, you forgot to remove the common packages too
[04:57] <codex> it my built in 56k modem.
[04:57] <Ash-Fox> apt-get --purge remove apache2-common apache-common
[04:57] <BluesKaj> stdin: heh ok
[04:58] <flaccid> icefox: sounds goood. but maybe a dev channel is a better place to ask
[04:58] <BluesKaj> Feisty is fine right , no desire to try gutsy again :)
[04:58] <c1|freaky> im running gutsy no problems so far but cpu frequency scaling again - that sucks
[04:58] <ksivaji>  Ash-Fox ok i removed common package also
[04:59] <flaccid> gutsy is beta
[04:59] <dawiz> well i can see you ppl cant respect my help and are set on making stupid points, you can take your bullshit and shove it up your ass, matter of fact i think ill be wiping kubuntu clean and using real debian not your spiffed up clone
[04:59] <Ash-Fox> ksivaji, is /etc/apache and /etc/apache2 still there?
[04:59] <flaccid> dawiz: i agreee
[04:59] <BluesKaj> eeeuuww...feel the luuuv
[05:00] <codex> hello when i run the cmd "aplay -l" and it list my playback hardware devices i see my modem listed. is this normal ?
[05:00] <Ash-Fox> Whos dawiz?
[05:00] <flaccid> ksivaji: its interesting
[05:00] <dawiz> ow btw osX owns kubuntu
[05:00] <dawiz> lol
[05:00] <flaccid> define owns
[05:00] <ksivaji> Ash-Fox no
[05:01] <Ash-Fox> dawiz, os x doesn't run on my hardware, so, nope.
[05:01] <ksivaji> Ash-Fox what i am have to do now
[05:01] <dawiz> kubuntu isnt half the spiffed up user friendly os darwin is
[05:01] <flaccid> ksivaji: let me try to make a fat command. but first i would like to ask you to get a fresh sources.list and apt-get update
[05:01] <dawiz> good try tho
[05:01] <dawiz> pfffft
[05:01] <flaccid> lol
[05:01] <ksivaji> !source-matic
[05:01] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about source-matic - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:01] <ksivaji> !sourceomatic
[05:01] <ubotu> source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[05:01] <Ash-Fox> Weird person.
[05:01] <Hobbsee> i wish chanserv would stop lagging
[05:02] <Ash-Fox> ksivaji, if /etc/apache and /etc/apache2 exist, sudo rm -r /etc/apache /etc/apache2
[05:02] <soulrider> hello
[05:03] <Ash-Fox> ksivaji, then install apache2
[05:03] <codex> hello when i run the cmd "aplay -l" and it list my playback hardware devices i see my modem listed. is this normal ? can anybody give me a little help please
[05:03] <soulrider> codex: it happens on my machine too
[05:03] <soulrider> i think its normal
[05:03] <ksivaji> rm: cannot remove `/etc/apache': No such file or directory
[05:03] <ksivaji> rm: cannot remove `/etc/apache2': No such file or directory
[05:03] <ksivaji> ok
[05:04] <soulrider> ksivaji: you doing that with sudo ?
[05:04] <ksivaji> yes
[05:04] <soulrider> although they probably dont ecist
[05:04] <soulrider> exist*
[05:04] <soulrider> type
[05:04] <soulrider> ls /etc/ | grep apache
[05:04] <genii> codex: There are a lot of modems like Smartlink types and some "winmodem" ones from Conexant and PCTel for instance that overlap some modem and soundcard functions
[05:04] <soulrider> see if something appears
[05:05] <flaccid> !winmoem
[05:05] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about winmoem - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:05] <flaccid> !winmodem
[05:05] <ubotu> You want to connect via dial-up? Read https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DialupModemHowto
[05:05] <Pazy> Thanks for the help, managed to get back to my Kubuntu desktop
[05:05] <Pazy> Now I just need to add Nvidia drivers properlyu
[05:06] <damian> czesc
[05:06] <server_> what the root admin for konqueror
[05:06] <server_> command
[05:06] <Pazy> Whats the proper way to install Nvidia drivers on Kubuntu?
[05:06] <heeven> !nvidia
[05:06] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[05:07] <Pazy> Tried that, it dont help
[05:07] <soulrider> Pazy: what kind of card do you have ?
[05:07] <damian> or use Adept
[05:07] <sticksabuser> did you try using "Envy" ?
[05:07] <Pazy> Nvidia Geforce6200LE
[05:07] <BluesKaj> !envy
[05:07] <ubotu> envy is a script that may leave you envious of those who have not used it, use the resticted manager to install binary drivers or use the instructions on the wiki, this script may break your machine very badly!
[05:07] <server_> can any one tell me run command for root acess in konqueror
[05:07] <Gh0Sty2K> whats the command to start kubuntu-desktop?
[05:08] <soulrider> server_: kdesu konqueror   ?
[05:08] <damian>  I want to run the *.exe programs on kubuntu, how?
[05:08] <Pazy> Wine?
[05:08] <stdin> !wine | damian
[05:08] <server_> thx
[05:08] <ubotu> damian: wine is a compatibility layer for running Windows programs on GNU/Linux. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Wine for more information.
[05:08] <soulrider> Gh0Sty2K: youre not being able to start KDE ? whats your problem exactly ?
[05:08] <Gh0Sty2K> Just installed server version, and now want to start KDE
[05:09] <genii> Gh0Sty2K: You choose the session type of KDE for kubuntu or Gnome for ubuntu from the login manager. If you have no login manager you need to install either kdm or gdm
[05:09] <soulrider> damian: most windows programs wont work in Linux, this is Linux, not windows. But you can allways find a better alternative though
[05:09] <stdin> Gh0Sty2K: the server edition has no desktop
[05:09] <damian> ubotu: i install wine, but i don't know how run it
[05:09] <Pazy> wine filename.exe
[05:09] <Yorokobi> damian, ubotu is a bot
[05:09] <stdin> !bot
[05:09] <soulrider> damian: are you SURE you need to run a .exe ?
[05:09] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[05:09] <Gh0Sty2K> yes i know i just downloaded the kububntu-dektop for the server version, how do i start it?
[05:09] <ksivaji> Ash-Fox Ash-Fox http://pastebin.com/d2f807f85
[05:09] <Pazy> What program is it you want run as .exe?
[05:10] <soulrider> Gh0Sty2K: try startx
[05:10] <Gh0Sty2K> k
[05:10] <Yorokobi> Gh0Sty2K, 'sudo /etc/init.d/kdm start' or 'startx'
[05:10] <Gh0Sty2K> thnx
[05:10] <damian> soulrider: yes
[05:10] <damian> pazy: the sims
[05:11] <Pazy> Have you checked Winehq to see if its compatible first?
[05:11] <soulrider> damian: you most likely wont be able to play windows games. check http://winehq.com and then in the app database and see if someone managed to runt he sims on linux
[05:12] <BluesKaj> he left, soulrider
[05:12] <Daisuke_Ido> soulrider: the balance is actually tipping a bit
[05:12] <soulrider> ...
[05:12] <soulrider> i dont get some people
[05:12] <Daisuke_Ido> wine keeps getting better and better :)
[05:12] <soulrider> they just install an OS and know NOTHING about it?!
[05:12] <Daisuke_Ido> what did you know about linux when you first tried it?
[05:12] <Daisuke_Ido> i know i knew nothing
[05:12] <soulrider> but you do some minor research first
[05:13] <Daisuke_Ido> well, i knew it wasn't windows and my windows software wouldn't work
[05:13] <soulrider> like, probable most people that installed linux at least knew .exes were a no no
[05:13] <Pazy> damian: Looks like Wine wont run the Sims. If you want to try loadup Konsole and do      cd to/the/directory then Wine sims.exe
[05:13] <Daisuke_Ido> yeah
[05:13] <genii> Daisuke_Ido: I knew at least that I was gonna have to get comfortable on a command line
[05:13] <BluesKaj> knoppix!
[05:13] <Daisuke_Ido> genii: true also...
[05:13] <witt> Im trying to install luna theme (from kdelook), do I need icewm to do this?
[05:13] <Daisuke_Ido> well that blows my argument out of the water
[05:13] <Df_Yz>   ?
[05:13] <Daisuke_Ido> uh...  no?
[05:13] <Pazy> Did he leave? not very nice
[05:13] <Daisuke_Ido> !ru | Df_Yz
[05:13] <ubotu> Df_Yz:    #ubuntu-ru       /  Pozhalujsta vojdite v #ubuntu-ru dlq pomoshchi na russkom qzyke
[05:13] <soulrider> BluesKaj: Daisuke_Ido i tried the kubuntu live CD before actually installing it!
[05:14] <Df_Yz> Or there are all english-speakers?
[05:14] <Df_Yz> =)
[05:14] <genii> Df_Yz: Questions to be asked here are better to get an answer if in english
[05:14] <Df_Yz> :)
[05:14] <Df_Yz> I understood this)
[05:14] <flaccid> !en
[05:14] <ubotu> The #ubuntu, #kubuntu and #xubuntu channels are english only. For a complete list of channels in other languages, please visit http://help.ubuntu.com/community/InternetRelayChat
[05:14] <Daisuke_Ido> witt: a theme from kdelook is unlikely to need icewm
[05:14] <soulrider> witt: i dont think so, its a KDE theme so you shouldnt need icevm
[05:15] <soulrider> im about to convert another friend to linux :P
[05:15] <soulrider> he turned on his machine and windows had commited suicide for no apparent reason... so typical
[05:15] <runlevelten> I used to get icewm themes off kde-look.org all the time
[05:16] <runlevelten> haven't for a while, but they certainly used to feature
[05:16] <soulrider> im not sure that icevm is =/
[05:16] <soulrider> is it like *box ?
[05:16] <runlevelten> yeah
[05:16] <BluesKaj> that ubuntu_ guy keeps joining...wonder when he's gonna learn something :)
[05:16] <runlevelten> a bit more windowsy, tbh
[05:16] <ksivaji> runlevelten hi
[05:17] <Yorokobi> BluesKaj, '/ignore #kubuntu joins parts quits' Your client may require you do it one at a time though. :)
[05:17] <ksivaji> runlevelten do you remember me
[05:17] <Pazy> Can someone tell me command to install the essensials pack, the one a C compiler and stuff?
[05:17] <Daisuke_Ido> BluesKaj: ubuntu, ubuntu_ and ubuntu__ are default nicks on a clean install of konversation, they may not all be the same people :)
[05:17] <BluesKaj> nah. just a joke Yorokobi :)
[05:17] <Daisuke_Ido> Pazy: build-essential
[05:17] <soulrider> Pazy: sudo aptitude install build-essential
[05:18] <BluesKaj> Daisuke_Ido:  no kidding  doh!
[05:18] <Yorokobi> BluesKaj, ignoring all that makes this channel a lot cleaner
[05:18] <Insane`KDE> Anybody know how to coax Ark to extract multi-file archives?
[05:18] <runlevelten> hi ksivaji :)
[05:18] <soulrider> Insane`KDE: it should have no problem doing that, i do it allt he time
[05:18] <Pazy> Thanks both of you
[05:18] <soulrider> Insane`KDE: are they rar files? if so you might need to install unrar
[05:18] <Insane`KDE> soulrider: Hmm.. maybe it could be that I don't have enough space on the drive
[05:19] <soulrider> Insane`KDE: that too :P
[05:19] <Daisuke_Ido> BluesKaj: my sarcasm detector is busted today :P
[05:19] <Insane`KDE> soulrider: Yes they are rar files, and I do have unrar, and it works great
[05:19] <Insane`KDE> I'll try on a larger drive for testing
[05:19] <soulrider> Insane`KDE: it must be hard drive space then
[05:19] <soulrider> Insane`KDE: you can do df -h and see the free space on your drive
[05:20] <Pazy> Theres another thing I dont know, how do I tell how much space I have left on my Linux install?
[05:20] <witt> I think it needs icewm window decorations
[05:20] <soulrider> Pazy: you can type df -h
[05:20] <soulrider> also, a VERY COOL program is filelight
[05:20] <witt> but when I install kdeartwork, it doesn't show up in window decoration list
[05:20] <Insane`KDE> soulrider: Duh, I don't have enough space
[05:20] <Pazy> Thanks ill need to remember that
[05:21] <bubbleit> how do i see a list of services?
[05:21] <Insane`KDE> Just because the archive is as large as the file itself..
[05:21] <G91A> ?
[05:21] <Yorokobi> G91A, running or available?
[05:21] <G91A> And how do i find my own IP
[05:21] <G91A> running services pls
[05:21] <soulrider> G91A: whatismyip.com ?
[05:21] <G91A> internal ip
[05:22] <G91A> :)
[05:22] <Yorokobi> G91A, 'ps a' and 'sudo ifconfig'
[05:22] <soulrider> G91A: ifconfig then
[05:22] <soulrider> Yorokobi: no need to sudo
[05:22] <Yorokobi> G91A, you'll want to read the man page for ps(1)
[05:22] <G91A> thanks
[05:23] <Yorokobi> soulrider, hey, wow. I used to have to ... of course, that was back in the Debian days ...
[05:23] <G91A> how about running services is that ps a ?
[05:23] <nosrednaekim> does anyone know what packages you need to get kde4 running? which KDE4 packages?
[05:23] <Yorokobi> G91A, yep.
[05:23] <G91A> yup thanks
[05:24] <Yorokobi> G91A, 'ps wax' for more verbosity/detail
[05:24] <The_Machine> by the way, if figured out my problem genii - it had to do with /home/awatson/.kde/share/mimelnk/application > octet-stream.desktop just need to be renamed/recreated
[05:24] <The_Machine> just letting you know :)
[05:24] <Pazy> Anyone tried the KDE4 live cd? Linux format offered it this/last month
[05:24] <G91A> how do i run the zero conf service?
[05:24] <Yorokobi> nosrednaekim, http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-beta1.php
[05:24] <G91A> its currently disabled?
[05:24] <soulrider> Yorokobi: AFAIK sudo is not needed, at least i didnt need to
[05:24] <nosrednaekim> yeah I know.... but which kde4 packages do you need to install?none of them seem to depend on each other?
[05:25] <soulrider> Yorokobi: whats the package that gives you ifconfig, im running gentoo and i dont seem to have it
[05:25] <Yorokobi> soulrider, yeah, it isn't; at least not to see the IP
[05:25] <Yorokobi> soulrider, beats me which package it is. Isn't it part of the base Ubuntu install?
[05:25] <tatters> if running kubuntu and compiz fusion what window decorator is best/stable to use?
[05:25] <soulrider> Yorokobi: yeah.. but im not running ubuntu atm :P
[05:26] <BluesKaj> Pazy:  I tried it ..was a suse kde4 live cd ...it failed to load
[05:26] <genii> The_Machine: Good that you figured it out :)
[05:26] <Yorokobi> soulrider, heh, I've never tried out Gentoo
[05:26] <soulrider> Yorokobi: ive been trying for a day to fix it :P have to recompile half of my system
[05:26] <G91A> mdnsd need to start that do u know how?
[05:26] <soulrider> you learn a lot though
[05:26] <Pazy> I dunno what distro it was, just Had KDE4 (and some other Linux distros) and it worked but barely
[05:27] <Yorokobi> soulrider, isn't that the intent with Gentoo?
[05:27] <genii> ksivaji: Getting anywhere yet?
[05:27] <Pazy> Then again it is alpha/beta
[05:27] <soulrider> Yorokobi: yes, but sometimes its annoying, and you do waste lots of time
[05:27] <nosrednaekim> Pazy: it's OpenSuse
[05:27] <soulrider> no distro bashing please :P
[05:29] <runlevelten> Whatever distro it is, it's better than running evil proprietary software.
[05:29] <runlevelten> Well, not *whatever* distro ;)
[05:29] <genii> runlevelten: Yup
[05:29] <sam_> hey i get an error "no such file or directory :module.h" ,when i compile a module ,eventhough i included the file in the code...can anyone help me?
[05:29] <soulrider> i frankly dont see whats wrong with propietary stuff, but thats me
[05:29] <Pazy> Anyone know what UT3 system requirments will be?
[05:29] <soulrider> Pazy: enough for it to not run on my machine
[05:29] <Yorokobi> sam_, did you use #include <file.h> or #include "file.h"
[05:30] <Pazy> soulrider: if I knew your machine that'd help :P
[05:30] <soulrider> pentium 4, 3 ghz 1 gb RAM and geforce 6600
[05:30] <sam_> no i did #include<linux/module.h>
[05:30] <Pazy> How you know it wont run?
[05:30] <runlevelten> A bit higher than whatever the quake game of the time is.
[05:30] <runlevelten> That's the "rule", heh
[05:30] <soulrider> Pazy: its a good guess
[05:30] <waldlaufer> quit
[05:30] <Yorokobi> sam_, is the missing space a typo here (in chat) or in your code?
[05:30] <soulrider> i wanted to try bioshock for example and i dont meet the minimum reqs
[05:31] <G91A> how do i install php?
[05:31] <Pazy> Thats a point, though they still havent realeased specs. Im hoping if i Use Xubuntu or Fluxbox or something I can atleast get low low gfx
[05:31] <Yorokobi> sam_, and, is linux/module.h in the library search path?
[05:31] <flaccid> !php
[05:31] <ubotu> LAMP is an acronym for Linux-Apache-MySQL-PHP. However, the term is often used for setups using alternative but different software, such as Perl or Python instead of PHP, and Postgres instead of MySQL. For help with setting up LAMP on Ubuntu, see  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ApacheMySQLPHP - See also the Server CD installation process (different in Edgy+)
[05:31] <soulrider> i hate how they create such high end games that dont run anywhere...
[05:31] <ksivaji> genii no
[05:31] <flaccid> im off
[05:32] <G91A> thanks
[05:32] <runlevelten> That's why I love OpenGL
[05:32] <runlevelten> All the high end features, but a bit more scalable.
[05:33] <Pazy> Maybe there aiming at high end systems so that people will buy the game for years to come
[05:33] <ksivaji> flaccid https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ApacheMySQLPHP this page contain procedure to configure apache 2 what about apache1.3
[05:33] <runlevelten> Exactly. I remember when nobody had the hardware for early quakes, and we all still bought 'em :)
[05:34] <nosrednaekim> not enough hardware for quakes...lol
[05:34] <runlevelten> Yeah, exactly. How does that sound now?
[05:34] <soulrider> lol
[05:35] <soulrider> i remember when i saw quake 3, my jaw dropped, it looked so real!!
[05:35] <Pazy> Though theres a high chance there will be less system requirments on linux
[05:35] <soulrider> in fact, i remember when playstation games looked awesome
[05:35] <Pazy> PS1 games still look awesome :D I was playing MOH yesterday
[05:35] <runlevelten> The worst machines in here now would have been godlike monster behemuths in those days, obviously :)
[05:35] <soulrider> im borrowing my friends gamecube, that thing looks great :)
[05:36] <runlevelten> I have a gamecube. Such a waste of money for me.
[05:36] <meloni> hello
[05:36] <soulrider> no way
[05:36] <soulrider> it has some great games
[05:36] <soulrider> hi meloni
[05:36] <Pazy> Id love to travel back to the 60's to see the first computer with a moniter and stuff then sit there documenting it with my Dual Core laptop :D
[05:36] <Pazy> Gamecube is amazing
[05:36] <soulrider> lol
[05:36] <meloni> where are you from
[05:36] <soulrider> !br | meloni
[05:36] <ubotu> meloni: Por favor use #ubuntu-br ou #ubuntu-pt  para ajuda em portugus. Obrigado.
[05:37] <meloni> im br too
[05:37] <ksivaji> !apache1.3
[05:37] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about apache1.3 - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:37] <runlevelten> I'd sell it if I thought anyone would want one.
[05:37] <runlevelten> heh
[05:37] <Pazy> Id buy it if I didnt already have 2
[05:37] <soulrider> runlevelten: im waiting for mine to arrive, but id buy some games if you do international shipping :P
[05:38] <Pazy> I still play an N64, that was an amazing console
[05:38] <boris__> how do i open grups on kubuntu
[05:38] <Insane`KDE> Anybody here know their way around qemu?
[05:38] <runlevelten> soulrider: trouble is, then it'd be even worse - no games
[05:38] <boris__> like in outlook
[05:38] <boris__> expres
[05:38] <runlevelten> heh
[05:38] <boris__> anyone
[05:38] <runlevelten> open grups?
[05:38] <WhtWolfTeraDyne> boris__: Newsgroups?
[05:38] <Pazy> I keep trying to get RE4 GC preowned bit Game is charging more for it than the console rofl
[05:38] <boris__> yea
[05:39] <Insane`KDE> I folllowed the guide at !qemu 1:1 and my qemu always hangs and crashes when xp/2000 setup gets to formatting the .img "harddrive"
[05:39] <runlevelten> Ah, there are several newsreaders available boris__
[05:39] <boris__> yes
[05:39] <runlevelten> knode, liferea, klibido
[05:39] <WhtWolfTeraDyne> boris__: "sudo apt-get install knode" for the one that's integrated with Kontact
[05:39] <boris__> thx
[05:39] <soulrider> Pazy: i just borrowed re4 from my friend, i LOVE it
[05:40] <runlevelten> boris__:  I'd install knode, liferea and klibido, then choose which one you prefer :)
[05:40] <soulrider> runlevelten: sell youre cube on ebay, or use it to run linux on it as a media center :)
[05:40] <runlevelten> oops, not klibido, heh.
[05:40] <soulrider> runlevelten: that sounds dirty
[05:40] <WhtWolfTeraDyne> runlevelten: I just caught that as well.
[05:40] <Pazy> What the diffrence between KDM and GDM? is it gnomn and KDE?
[05:40] <mahrellon> Hi, I've made a little executable script to run Nvidia settings -l and beryl-manager at KDE startup but I don't know where to put it to get it to actually autostart? Is there an autostart folder or something?
[05:40] <boris__> ok
[05:41] <soulrider> paz yeah
[05:41] <Pazy> Thanks
[05:41] <soulrider> mahrellon: yes, ~/.kde/autostart
[05:41] <trekdanne> matrellon: ~/.kde/autostart
[05:41] <WhtWolfTeraDyne> Thunderbird and SeaMonkey Suite both have newsreaders as well.
[05:41] <genii> ksivaji: You could try:   sudo dpkg -i --force-install --force-overwrite --force-overwrite-dir apache2
[05:41] <runlevelten> soulrider: does running linux on them still require weird convolutions like bigger drives, sd memory or network boots from certain games?
[05:41] <mahrellon> Thanks you guys =)
[05:41] <Pazy> Anyone know if you can get RE4 cheaper than 15?
[05:41] <soulrider> runlevelten: AFAIK, no
[05:41] <trekdanne> soulrider: too late
[05:43] <soulrider> anyome know any good console games that dont need xorg? =/
[05:43] <ksivaji> genii i removed apache2 .apache 1.3 is working fine but i am searching for configuration manual
[05:43] <soulrider> sudoku maybe
[05:43] <Pazy> Im actually learning (/going to be) how to make comps and things. Im thinking of building people computers to there specifications and what they want. That would be a great way to introduce people to linux.
[05:43] <nosrednaekim> indeed
[05:43] <soulrider> pazy sure
[05:43] <Pazy> Still years away though since first year of college is in september
[05:44] <runlevelten> soulrider: the emacs games
[05:44] <runlevelten> pong, tetris, adventure, etc.
[05:44] <soulrider> runlevelten: im gonna look for them
[05:44] <Pazy> Anyone of you run anti-virus or firewall software on Linux?
[05:45] <runlevelten> define firewall software
[05:45] <omkar86> Hi I want to install kubuntu 7.10 on Compaq laptop, How do I go abt it?
[05:45] <Pazy> Like Zonealarm
[05:45] <runlevelten> My firewall software = Linux
[05:45] <genii> ksivaji: Try looking at http://www.apache.org/dist/httpd/docs/apache-docs-1.3.23.pdf.zip
[05:45] <Pazy> omkar86: Have you got a fast net connection?
[05:45] <omkar86> no, it is 128KBPS
[05:45] <Pazy> You got a comp set up purely as a firewall?
[05:46] <Pazy> Then you would be better ordering the CD
[05:46] <omkar86> i have 7.10 Live CD
[05:46] <runlevelten> My AV software = clamav.
[05:46] <ksivaji> genii thank you very much
[05:46] <soulrider> Pazy: you dont need an antivirus or firewall if you ask me
[05:46] <genii> ksivaji: np
[05:46] <mahrellon> Guys! Worked like a charm. My script now autostarts! Wish I could give you flowers =\
[05:46] <runlevelten> I use it to protect windows machines, nothing else.
[05:46] <omkar86> Pazy, wat are steps to follow? and are there any issues with kubuntu on laptop
[05:47] <Pazy> Ah ok, first make sure your BIOS settings say 1: CD/DVD Drive 2: Hard Drive. Then insert the CD and let the computer boot. It will hit the desktop and there will be an icon saying 'Install'. Click and follow the intructions
[05:47] <Pazy> I have anti virus/spyware and firewall on my windows install but nothing on Linux.
[05:48] <runlevelten> No need for anti-virus unless you have windows machines to protect.
[05:48] <Pazy> omkar86: Do you know how to set your Bios settings?
[05:48] <runlevelten> No need for extra firewall software when you have a very very good one built in.
[05:48] <omkar86> Pazy, Yeah I think it already boots CD before hard disk
[05:48] <Pazy> My local college has actually started a night class on getting the best anti virus/spyware etc. software. Useless lol
[05:49] <Pazy> omkar86: Well insert the disk and leave it to boot. You will recognise the desktop when you see it. Click the only Icon there and do what it says :D
[05:49] <yotux> looking to setup small mail server any one have any suggestions?
[05:49] <runlevelten> "How to stay secure in windows with AV/firewall software" == "How to stay afloat in a sieve by bailing out"
[05:49] <Pazy> runlevelten: exactly lol
[05:50] <Pazy> The people who go to will be same people who think a windows is a computer
[05:50] <omkar86> Pazy, How do I go about partitioning?
[05:50] <runlevelten> Someone should answer the door to the night classes and say "Hello! Stop running software which requires 70% of your resources to stay unrooted!"
[05:50] <Pazy> How many hard drives and operatng systems do you have?
[05:50] <runlevelten> "Now bog off home. 50 dollars"
[05:50] <omkar86> Pazy, only 1 XP
[05:51] <Pazy> runlevelten: Day 1: Uninstall Windows and install Linux. Go home
[05:51] <Pazy> omkar86: Do you want to keep it?
[05:51] <runlevelten> Exactly.
[05:51] <omkar86> Pazy, yes
[05:51] <soulrider> i havnt used windows in over 1 year, and it hasnt been installed on my comp in over 6 months. Im so porud! :P
[05:51] <runlevelten> wtg soulrider
[05:51] <Pazy> soulrider: I need it for games :(
[05:52] <soulrider>  Pazy gamecube! :P
[05:52] <runlevelten> Pazy: hey, windows does one thing functionally. Exploit that if you feel moved to.
[05:53] <runlevelten> Windows is a cheap console afaic.
[05:53] <runlevelten> *cheap games console
[05:53] <Pazy> omkar86: If you run the install icon and follow what it says until the partitioning screen. Then choose 'manual' and tell it how much of your hard drive you want it to have.
[05:53] <Pazy> Who here is good with partitioning?
[05:53] <Pazy> Im not great tbh
[05:54] <Pazy> Windows does game good, actually thats wrong. People who make games for Windows fo games good.
[05:54] <Pazy> *do
[05:55] <soulrider> Pazy: there are some very cool game son linux, especially if you like FPS
[05:55] <Pazy> I play lots of games on Linux as well, but most I want are Windows specific
[05:55] <Pazy> So who is good with partitioning?
[05:55] <soulrider> i like frets on fire :D
[05:55] <maverick> hey, can someone please help me with KDE4 beta 1 installation?
[05:56] <soulrider> maverick: if this is your maiu installation i wouldnt do it
[05:56] <runlevelten> I game on Linux. Which reminds me, I need to redownload TC:E
[05:56] <Pazy> TC:E is amazing, but I cant get it work on Linux. I keep getting kicked for Integrity Violation :(
[05:56] <runlevelten> what sort of partitioning?
[05:57] <maverick> soulrider: maiu?!!
[05:57] <runlevelten> Pazy: that's a matter of getting the system and user pb both updated
[05:57] <Pazy> The installer partitiong. to keep XP and install Kubuntu
[05:57] <Pazy> runlevelten: Done that, dont work :(
[05:57] <Pazy> omkar86 wants help with partitiong, think you could help him? not my strong suit
[05:57] <Assid> hey
[05:58] <soulrider> maverick: main*
[05:58] <Assid> you know the right click.. actions.. email file
[05:58] <Assid> hiow do i set it to send it from thunderbird instead
[05:58] <maverick> soulrider: I have latest KDE3.X installed i was hoping to try KDE4 as i saw some screenshots of people who successfuly did it...but i don know things go wrong with me
[05:58] <runlevelten> I always pre-partition beforehand, so I don't get any use out of the installer partitioning, or resizing ntfs partitions etc.
[05:58] <ubunturos> omkar86: what do you have to do?
[05:58] <soulrider> maverick: if i were you i wouldnt install it, its still beta and unstable and massive breakage can occur
[05:59] <Assid> anyone know how to get it to work with thunderbird
[05:59] <maverick> soulrider: I know it's just so seducing that i can't resist :D
[05:59] <runlevelten> assid: you have to have thunderbird as your default email application
[06:00] <maverick> soulrider: Did u try to play with it?!
[06:00] <runlevelten> which is kcontrol  kde components  default apps
[06:00] <Assid> runlevelten: i do..
[06:00] <Pazy> Back in a sec. need to reset for Nvidia driver
[06:00] <runlevelten> and what happens when you try to mail stuff with it?
[06:00] <Assid> goes via kamil
[06:00] <Assid> kmail even..
[06:01] <runlevelten> You definitely don't have it as your default gnome app instead?
[06:01] <Assid> i installed thunderbird through the binaries mozilla had to offer instead of kubuntu dipositories
[06:01] <Assid> err.. repositories
[06:01] <Assid> runlevelten: not sure of that
[06:01] <Assid> how would i check
[06:01] <soulrider> maverick: i havnt, im sure theres a guide somewhere ont he wiki or forums
[06:02] <runlevelten> by looking in kcontrol  kde components  default apps and seeing what your default mail app is
[06:02] <runlevelten> also, the entry in there should definitely point to a real working mail client
[06:02] <Assid> runlevelten: yes thats set to thunderbird
[06:02] <runlevelten> sorry, it's component chooser not default apps, ykwim.
[06:03] <maverick> soulrider: Well the installation goes fine and the session is added it's just that when i login, i don't see apps icons and lots of crashes and i can't browse folders as konq crashes...kindda messy
[06:03] <runlevelten> and the command you have in there definitely runs thunderbird when you enter it in a konsole?
[06:03] <maverick> soulrider: though i foloowed all the instructions
[06:03] <runlevelten> as opposed to typing thunderbird in there and hoping for the best...
[06:03] <Assid> runlevelten: yes.. even my keyboard email button works
[06:05] <Pazy> Back
[06:06] <Pazy> How do I make the Moniter Display at 1200*1024, its only listing at 1024*768
[06:06] <Pazy> *1280
[06:07] <omkar86> ubunturos, I want to install Kubuntu on Compaq laptop, dual boot XP and Kubuntu. Can I allocate space for kubuntu before starting installation? I am in windows right now
[06:07] <dubbydubby> someone I need help getting Xgl to work with kubuntu fiesty
[06:07] <ubunturos> omkar86: do you have an unallocated space on your disk?
[06:08] <BluesKaj> Pazy: system sttings/monitor &display/admin mode
[06:08] <Pazy> Done that, the bar only goes up to 1024*768
[06:08] <runlevelten> Assid: I'd have to install thunderbird to check it out for you, and I can't do that right now, sorry :(
[06:08] <Pazy> Im using the Nvidia Propiatory driver btw
[06:09] <Assid> hrmmokay
[06:09] <Assid> one sec.. gonna try something
[06:09] <Assid> brb
[06:09] <BluesKaj> Pazy: then you have to config the hardware driver settings for the card and monitor
[06:10] <Pazy> How do i do that/
[06:10] <BluesKaj> same
[06:10] <Pazy> ?
[06:11] <BluesKaj> system settings/monitor&display admin mode/hardware/configure/apply
[06:11] <Pazy> Think ive got it, I told it the moniter was 1280/1024@60htz in Harware - Moniter 1
[06:11] <Pazy> Need to reset to check it if worked
[06:11] <omkar86> ubunturos, I may resize my d drive
[06:11] <BluesKaj> admin mode ...otherwise it won't hold
[06:12] <dubbydubby> anyone able to get xgl to work on kubuntu?
[06:12] <ubunturos> omkar86: if you have no data on D: drive, you can delete it. Later boot from the Kubuntu CD and then install it on the unallocated partition
[06:12] <ubunturos> omkar86: however, you may have to schedule regular backups of your data on /home folder
[06:12] <Pazy> Yay it worked
[06:13] <Pazy> Now back to fixing grub :(
[06:13] <ubunturos> omkar86: I guess, D: will be under the extended partition
[06:13] <ubunturos> D: will be a logical partition
[06:14] <BluesKaj> thought we had your grub fixed yesterday, Pazy ?
[06:14] <omkar86> ubunturos, Yeah it is in extended
[06:15] <omkar86> ubunturos, Have you heard of any hardware issues specific to Compaq notebooks
[06:16] <Pazy> BluesKaj: No i tried but it didnt work. I need to do a virtual swap or something
[06:16] <ubunturos> omkar86: no, but I would recommend testing your hardware with the LIVE CD.
[06:16] <ubunturos> omkar86: if everything works fine, you may go ahead and install
[06:17] <omkar86> ubunturos, How to check if my hardware works using dmesg|grep <???>
[06:17] <BluesKaj> oh yeah, 2 HDDs...sorry , forgot...that's beyond my experience , Pazy
[06:17] <ubunturos> omkar86: not sure about that
[06:18] <Pazy> Soon as I figure out how to virtual swap then make XP the default entry im set
[06:18] <ubunturos> omkar86: rather, find out more about a *suitable* distro on your laptop from - http://linux-laptop.net
[06:20] <Pazy> Does anyone know how to do a GRUB virtual swap? The grub channel is empty so I cant ask there
[06:26] <jhutchins> Pazy: Perhaps if we knew what you meant by "virtual swap", it would help.
[06:29] <Pazy> Ill show you the link
[06:29] <Pazy> http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/html_node/DOS_002fWindows.html#DOS_002fWindows
[06:30] <BluesKaj> jhutchins:  Pazy has 2 hdds with kubuntu oneone and windows on the other , and he wabts to make the windows hdd the default boot in grub
[06:30] <Pazy> Well first I need grub to boot WInXP
[06:31] <jhutchins> BluesKaj: Should only need to change the default in the menu entry.
[06:31] <jhutchins> BluesKaj: No need to "swap" anything.
[06:31] <Pazy> Did you look at the link? and make any sense of it
[06:32] <Pazy> ah dinners ready, back soon.
[06:34] <ksivaji>  when i open a page that contain this "http://pastebin.com/d5a61a29d"  code in konqueror web browser it shows nothing why ?
[06:35] <jhutchins> BluesKaj: He could physically swap the drives then install grub on the Windows drive, that might be simpler.  Some BIOSs offer a virtual drive swap.
[06:36] <jhutchins> ksivaji: That looks like PHP code to me.  Not relevant to kubuntu.  Suggest you try #php or # apache.
[06:36] <dromer> where are the kde default backgrounds located?
[06:37] <jhutchins> /user/share/wallpapers?
[06:37] <ksivaji> jhutchins i think my question is so childish that is why i didnt get any reply from #php
[06:41] <Stranger> 
[06:41] <Stranger>  
[06:41] <pag> !ru | Stranger
[06:41] <ubotu> Stranger:    #ubuntu-ru       /  Pozhalujsta vojdite v #ubuntu-ru dlq pomoshchi na russkom qzyke
[06:41] <Stranger> ok
[06:41] <Stranger> guys )
[06:42] <Stranger> can u help me a bit
[06:42] <soulrider> Stranger: what do you wanna know ?
[06:42] <JRL01192> !ask
[06:42] <pag> Stranger, sure, with what?
[06:42] <ubotu> Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[06:42] <apetrescu> Sure, stranger. What can we help you with?
[06:45] <Stranger> mm.. i noticed that the config menu in kde, like when u want to change your personal settings for it is cut a bit
[06:47] <Stranger> where can i switch off that thing, when the apps show in the taskbar when they are launched? and mouse cursor  the same thing
[06:47] <Stranger> &
[06:47] <Stranger> ?
[06:47] <soulrider> the bouncy thing ?
[06:47] <Stranger> yeah )
[06:47] <soulrider> uhm
[06:47] <soulrider> im not in KDE so i cant help you mich right now =/
[06:47] <Stranger> :(
[06:47] <pag> Stranger, the jumping mouse cursor? kcontrol -> Appearance -> launch notification  (or something like that)
[06:48] <genii> ksivaji: If you want to test your php, just do 3 lines:    <?php   then: phpinfo ();    then:  ?>
[06:49] <pag> Stranger, and systray-icons are usually configured from within the app, so you'll just have to see settings for each app you want to remove from taskbar
[06:49] <pag> s/taskbar/tray
[06:49] <ksivaji> genii ya it is working fine with php interpreter but web browser just displays php script like text editor
[06:49] <AlivesWrk> this irc client pisses me off
[06:50] <Stranger> pag, see, it's not there...
[06:51] <Stranger> i clearly remember where it should be, but it's just not
[06:51] <pag> Stranger, use kcontrol, not that systemsettings thingy that is in the menus
[06:51] <pag> Stranger, alt+f2 -> kcontrol
[06:51] <Stranger> ))
[06:51] <Stranger> thanks )
[06:51] <pag> np :)
[06:52] <Stranger> why would they do something like that? )
[06:53] <pag> you see, System Settings is 'easy to use' - yes it doesn't have half of the features, but it's 'easy'
[06:53] <Stranger> yeah, i guess
[06:53] <cloakable> :P
[06:54] <pag> my humble opinion is that SysSettings could be dumped in favour of Kcontrol, but well - KControl is also shipped by default, so I guess I shouldn't rant about it (too much ;)
[06:55] <Stranger> :)
[06:55] <Stranger> by the way do u know how to make synaptic, or whatever was there i ubuntu the default program for updates? like the update notifier? adept is not the best package manager...
[06:55] <Stranger> i don't know why they should've changed synaptic for it anyways
[06:56] <genii> ksivaji: In your apache config file you need to add: AddType application/x-httpd-php .php
[06:56] <pag> Stranger, not sure if this'll work, but it could (so no guarantee at all ;) close adept updater, and tell it to never open again and install update-manager
[06:56] <ksivaji> genii ok
[06:57] <Stranger> so that thing in ubuntu was called update-manager?
[06:57] <BluesKaj> Stranger:  adept is the default kde pkg manager and the notifier sucks , the good part is synaptic works well in kde
[06:57] <Stranger> just didn't remember
[06:57] <soulrider> BluesKaj: i dont like mixing gnome with kde
[06:57] <ksivaji> genii thanks a lot
[06:58] <pag> Stranger, or the easiest, atomatic, and insecure way; scheldule a cron task for upgrades and forget about them ;D
[06:58] <genii> ksivaji: Did you test again yet to see it worked?
[06:58] <genii> ksivaji: (after restarting apache of course)
[06:58] <Stranger> BluesKaj: yeah, i got it installed, but updater still comes up on the startup
[06:58] <BluesKaj> <-- not  atrue purist ..if it works and doesn't crash the system ..who care s :)
[06:58] <BluesKaj> Stranger:  just tell it not to startup
[06:58] <ksivaji> genii ya i am doing wait
[07:00] <clefia> for 3 months I've installed and use Xubuntu feisty, from time to time, my system will run out of memory to a crawl till it's unusable
[07:00] <clefia> then it's hitting the restart button, I have 320mb of sdram an 256mb of swap
[07:00] <clefia> i've got firefox and gaim opened everytime I ran out of memory,  is there a log on my system that can tell me what's wrong?
[07:00] <soulrider> clefia: maybe theres a memory leak in one of your programs that fills up your swap, i used to have that problem
[07:00] <Stranger> guys, thank yall )
[07:01] <soulrider> clefia: install htop, its like top but better. when you see it get slow, run it and see whats eating all your ram
[07:01] <clefia> soulrider: usually it's either firefox or x.org
[07:01] <genii> ksivaji: Since you opted earlier for apache1.3 series make sure also you have the package libapache-mod-php4  (as far as i know there is no php5 module for 1.3 apache)
[07:02] <soulrider> clefia: i think theres a memory leak in firefox
[07:02] <Paz1> I managed to get the Virtual Swap thing on Grub working, now I can access XP through Grub. So how do I make XP the default entry? So what if no one clicks anything it will automatically boot into XP?
[07:02] <soulrider> clefia: i used to have that problem with azureus, what i think is bets is to restart xorg, youll probably see a lot of disk usage wheny ou do that
[07:02] <ksivaji> genii ya it is working fine thank you
[07:02] <soulrider> Paz1: you need to edit /boot/grub/menu.lst
[07:02] <genii> ksivaji: You're welcome
[07:03] <Paz1> crap my names wrong
[07:03] <soulrider> i need to go tudy
[07:03] <soulrider> bbl! ^_^
[07:04] <Paz1> Dammit I cant get my name to appear right. Pazy :(
[07:04] <vge> ./nick Pazy
[07:05] <Paz1>  the /nick didnt work
[07:05] <BluesKaj>  /nick Pazy
[07:05] <Paz1> anyway ill do this first
[07:05] <vge> it's in use
[07:05] <BluesKaj> try it in the server textbox
[07:05] <Paz1> Pazy is in use?
[07:05] <vge> ./whois Pazy
[07:06] <Paz1> Looks like its me? anyways
[07:06] <BluesKaj> vge dump the period or dot
[07:06] <Paz1> What do I add/change in menu.lst to make XP the OS it wil boot if I dont click within a time
[07:07] <BluesKaj> Paz1:  I think , not totally sure , but make the windows entries the first at the top the OS enties in the menu.lst
[07:07] <BluesKaj> entries
[07:08] <Paz1> ok ill try that
[07:09] <Paz1> Think ill need to change the BIOS to make XP first, the virtual swap works but for some reason its taking minutes to open a folder not seconds
[07:09] <BluesKaj> my windows entries are at the bottom and thats where they appear in grub at bootup
[07:11] <genii> If you change boot order in bios it rearranges logically all the drive numbers/order again and confuses grub
[07:14] <zblach_> hey all
[07:15] <zblach_> quick sound question. sysbeep is too loud, mkv's are too soft, and music is just right. how can I normalize my sound?
[07:19] <clefia> soulrider: I've installed htop. Is it that htop will align all cpu or memory intensive processes on the top of the list?
[07:20] <chrisjs169> not exactly sure how, but my number pad is now functioning as a 'mouse'
[07:22] <chrisjs169> eg. 4 moves the mouse pointer left, 6 moves it right, 8 up, 2 down, 1, 3, 7, and 9 move it diagonally, and 5 is 'right click'
[07:22] <jerware> hi
[07:23] <jerware> does mplayer not work out of the box?  or is it expecting to be fiddled with.
[07:23] <jerware> Error opening/initializing the selected video_out (-vo) device.
[07:24] <jerware> w32codecs are too installed
[07:24] <clefia> i'm seeing 8 instants of firefox-bin in htop, is this normal?
[07:27] <BluesKaj> jerware: xine-extracodecs ?
[07:27] <jerware> BluesKaj: is that a package to install ?
[07:28] <BluesKaj> yup
[07:28] <chrisjs169> any ideas on disabling my number pad 'mouse'?
[07:28] <jerware> E: Couldn't find package xine-extracodecs
[07:29] <teiwaz> can anyone help me get a pharos gps-360 working with any sort of gps program?
[07:29] <jerware> BluesKaj:  would you mind donating me a the piece of you sources.list?
[07:29] <jerware> coresponding to xine-extracodecs?
[07:29] <BluesKaj> jerware better still tru source-o-matic
[07:29] <BluesKaj> try
[07:30] <BluesKaj> !source-o-matic
[07:30] <ubotu> source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[07:30] <Assid> heya
[07:31] <Assid> i got compiz-fusion running.. anyone know how come whjen i click on another window.. it doesnt bring that on top.. however the new window does have focus
[07:32] <jhutchins> jerware: That's usually the error you get when mplayer is already running and you open a second instance (by clicking on an associated file).
[07:32] <Assid> heya jhutchins
[07:32] <chrisjs169> any ideas on disabling my number pad 'mouse'?
[07:33] <Assid> hrmm anyone here running a q6600 by any chance?
[07:33] <Assid> the intel quad cores
[07:37] <JRL01192> help my mouse is freezing up at the moment, when I update ubuntu is telling me it cannot grab my mouse and that a malicious code is eavesdropping!
[07:37] <JRL01192> I cannot right click but could left click this always happens around from 1:00pm- 2:30pm and 4:00pm-1:00am
[07:38] <vzduch> JRL01192: ?
[07:38] <administrator> hi
[07:40] <JRL01192> Lets put it this way is there anyway from someone in the other end of a cpmputer to mess with my gui in both linux, windows and disable or lag my mouse with the ability of hiding itself without netstat detecting him or her?
[07:41] <fernanda> hi
[07:42] <JRL01192> Lets put it this way is there any way for someone in the other end of a computer to mess with my gui in both linux, windows and disable or lag my mouse with the ability of hiding herself from net-stat without detecting him or her?*
[07:42] <JRL01192> herselfhimself*
[07:43] <BluesKaj> !patience | JRL01192:  we saw your question the first time .
[07:43] <ubotu> JRL01192:  we saw your question the first time .: The people here are volunteers, your attitude may determine how fast you are helped.  Not everyone is available all the time, likewise not every answer is available instantly. See also http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines
[07:43] <jerware> hi
[07:44] <jerware> wine only supports windows native dll files.  is there an alternative to run a program that suplies it's own dlls ?
[07:44] <JRL01192> sorry if I came from a demanding prospective but at the moment ubuntu is going while on me. :(
[07:44] <jhutchins> JRL01192: What command are you using to "update ubuntu", what is the exact error message (and why are you asking about ubuntu in kubuntu)?
[07:47] <BluesKaj> jerware:  native dll files?
[07:52] <JRL01192> am sorry for not responding the windows lagged when I told ubuntu to maximize, at the moemnt I am using gnome, and I just update by going to System update manager
[07:53] <JRL01192> native dll files ^^ probably since this problem started with windows xp and I installed ubuntu for security reasons
[07:55] <PhinnFort> jerware: yes
[07:55] <PhinnFort> jerware: run wineconfig
[07:55] <PhinnFort> wha
[07:55] <surgy> hello
[07:55] <PhinnFort> wtf just happened?
[07:56] <PhinnFort> jerware: then go to the libraries tab
[07:56] <surgy> can someone help me? its kindof not related to linux but i need it in order to fix my linux, my internet explorer keeps crashing and i need firefox, can someone send me a copy please?
[07:56] <PhinnFort> and add a new override
[07:56] <JRL01192> probably me having a worm passing it on
[07:56] <JRL01192> it is spreading
[07:56] <PhinnFort> cool
[07:56] <JRL01192> Im probably the source
[07:57] <jhutchins> JRL01192: Well, nothing that infected our windows install should have any effect on your linux system, but it does sound odd.  You can use tools like ps ax or top to see what's taking up the CPU.  You should try using aptitude from the console for the update and see what the errror message is so you can paste it here (or pasetebin if it's more than 2 lines).
[07:57] <JRL01192> told you none believed me
[07:57] <PhinnFort> JRL01192: get clamav and chkrootkit
[07:57] <PhinnFort> !find clam
[07:57] <ubotu> Found: clamassassin, clamav-data, clamav-getfiles, clamcour, clamsmtp (and 15 others)
[07:57] <jhutchins> surgy: Just ftp it.
[07:57] <JRL01192> funny thing I can't exit this window now at the moment even if I get to update manager I can't move my mouse
[07:58] <surgy> jhutchins how? if i have no browser?
[07:58] <jhutchins> surgy: ftp runs fine from DOS.
[07:58] <JRL01192> IM sorry for spreading something my computer just went all crazy on ur chatrooms
[07:58] <surgy> jhutchins can you give me a link please?
[07:58] <kamijo> surgy: ftp://ftp.sunet.se/pub/www/browsers/mozilla/firefox/releases
[07:59] <surgy> ftp is not recognized as an internal or external command
[07:59] <PhinnFort> surgy: run "cmd", type "ftp ftp://ftp.sunet.se/pub/www/browsers/mozilla/firefox/releases", hit enter, dir, enter, get [filename] 
[08:00] <surgy> thats an unknown host\
[08:00] <PhinnFort> brb
[08:00] <JRL01192> lol nobody beleived me but I bet you now they do
[08:00] <kamijo> surgy: Open up a cmd window. Type ftp ftp.sunet.se
[08:01] <kamijo> surgy: Then type cd pub/www/browsers/mozilla/firefox/releases and press enter
[08:01] <surgy> kamijo says invalid comand
[08:01] <kamijo> surgy: Type dir and look for the right version and cd to that directory
[08:01] <kamijo> surgy: hrm... sounds strange. ftp is a standard command in "dos"
[08:02] <surgy> yeah
[08:02] <kamijo> surgy: what OS are you using?
[08:02] <surgy> but ftp ftp.sunet.se is an invalid command ....
[08:02] <PhinnFort> QDOS?
[08:02] <PhinnFort> try just ftp then
[08:02] <surgy> cmd through xp home
[08:02] <PhinnFort> and then connect ftp.sunet.se
[08:03] <surgy> yeah im at the ftp prompt, and when i type ftp.sunet.se it doesnt work
[08:03] <kamijo> surgy: you have to type: connect ftp.sunet.se
[08:03] <JRL01192> funny thing this w/e it is penetrated my comodo firewall and AVK virus dector in windows it is not known yet
[08:03] <PhinnFort> JRL01192: can't touch me though
[08:03] <surgy> "connect ftp.sunet.se" = invalid command
[08:04] <PhinnFort> :D
[08:04] <JRL01192> at the moment what are you using?
[08:04] <PhinnFort> JRL01192: Konversation?
[08:04] <kamijo> surgy: hrm... might be open ftp.sunet.se ?
[08:04] <JRL01192> distro?
[08:04] <PhinnFort> kubuntu
[08:04] <PhinnFort> 7.04
[08:04] <jhutchins> Sounds like someone removed ftp from his installation.
[08:04] <surgy> who tried to send me something?
[08:05] <surgy> open works
[08:05] <BluesKaj> I did but it was the wrong file
[08:05] <JRL01192> sory it might of been me
[08:05] <kamijo> surgy: it's been a while since I used Windows so I'm realy not hundred procent sure. But type help and see what you may find there
[08:05] <jhutchins> surgy: You don't have linux available?
[08:05] <jhutchins> Ah, I see you've got it working now.
[08:06] <surgy> jhutchins no, and my live cd wont let me connect to the i-net, so im using windows to get the info to fix grub but i need a browsewr, since IE is trash
[08:06] <jbaloul> hi all
[08:06] <Assid> i got compiz-fusion running.. anyone know how come whjen i click on another window.. it doesnt bring that on top.. however the new window does have focus
[08:06] <Assid> anyone know what option handles this?
[08:06] <PhinnFort> I can inject you with a customized version of TinyPE, and make it download and run the firefox installer;)
[08:06] <PhinnFort> http://www.phreedom.org/solar/code/tinype/
[08:06] <jhutchins> Assid: Someone in #ubuntu-effects might.
[08:06] <surgy> ok im connected to ftp.sunet.se now what?
[08:07] <kamijo> Assid: does it comes on top when you klick on top of the windowborder?
[08:07] <jbaloul> trying to install kde4 beta....getting "trying to overwrite `/usr/lib/kde4/share/apps/cmake/modules/FindSamba.cmake', which is also in package kde4base-data"
[08:07] <PhinnFort> cd pub/www/browsers/mozilla/firefox/releases
[08:07] <Assid> kamijo: yes
[08:07] <jbaloul> any ideas?
[08:07] <jhutchins> mplayer
[08:07] <jhutchins> er. soorry.
[08:07] <kamijo> surgy: cd pub/www/browsers/mozilla/firefox/releases/latest-2.0/win32
[08:07] <JRL01192> um PhinnFOrt what did you tell me to get to write it down because I can't go up
[08:07] <surgy> kamijo no such file or directory
[08:07] <PhinnFort> JRL01192: clamav
[08:08] <PhinnFort> JRL01192: that is antivirus
[08:08] <Assid> kamijo: any particular reason / option for this?
[08:08] <kamijo> Assid: there is a focus setting that you have to change. What you are using is the default setting
[08:08] <PhinnFort> JRL01192: and chkrootkit, which is a rootkit scanner
[08:08] <Assid> yeah but which one.. any clue ?
[08:08] <Pazy> Who knows how to make a non ubuntu OS the default for GRUB?
[08:09] <surgy> ?
[08:09] <kamijo> hrm... I'm not realy sure what's the name of it. I'm running Gutsy here and I have a gui to config Compiz
[08:09] <JRL01192> am sorry but Im going to have to sit this one out in your chatroom until the w/e it is stops atatcking me in 1 in the morning
[08:09] <jbaloul> Pazy ; edit with caution: /boot/grub/menu.lst
[08:09] <Assid> kamijo: yeah i do too.. but i dont know which one
[08:09] <kamijo> surgy: that's strange because I'm looking at the folder right now
[08:09] <Assid> kamijo: ccsm right ?
[08:09] <surgy> kamijo im in the first dir you gave me..... now how do i download the file?
[08:09] <Pazy> menu.lst has been hacked to peices to make Windows boot already lol but I need exact intructions
[08:10] <kamijo> surgy: you have to change to binary download in ftp. type help and see what command to use to set it with
[08:10] <kamijo> Assid: Yes right
[08:10] <jbaloul> Pazy the section that has "savedefault" usually at the begining of the list is the one that will boot
[08:10] <Assid> cant find that thing..
[08:10] <PhinnFort> Pazy: you need to write "default #" where # is the entry number of the windows entry
[08:11] <PhinnFort> starts at 0
[08:11] <kamijo> Assid: under General _Options
[08:11] <BFC> can anybody help me. I want to contect my kubuntu laptop to my WinXP desktop to share files. What would be the best way to networkd the two?
[08:11] <kamijo> Assid: look under Focus & Raise Behaviour
[08:11] <Assid> click to focus.. thats on
[08:12] <Pazy> Do i just arbitralely add default 5?
[08:12] <kamijo> surgy: did you found it?
[08:12] <kamijo> Assid: You have to set Raise on click  on
[08:12] <JRL01192> omg I found this written in my terminal box razor@BlackBox:~$ lollolloppp
[08:12] <surgy> kamij no, can you just dcc me the .exe for firefox? please?
[08:12] <Assid> i did.. still doesnt work
[08:12] <JRL01192> is that possible?!
[08:13] <kamijo> surgy: on moment
[08:13] <jhutchins> kamijo: really should take bery support to #ubuntu-effects
[08:13] <kamijo> jhutchins: Ok!
[08:13] <Pazy> PhinnFort: I just arbitralely add default 6?
[08:14] <PhinnFort> Pazy: if the 7. entry is the windows entry, yes
[08:14] <surgy> kamijo can you try again please?
[08:14] <kamijo> surgy: what lang do you want it in?
[08:14] <jbaloul> tryen to get kde4 installed and getting dpkg errors : rying to overwrite `/usr/lib/kde4/share/apps/cmake/modules/FindSamba.cmake', which is also in package kde4base-data"   any ideas ?
[08:14] <PhinnFort> Pazy: I have Ubuntu, Ubuntu safe, and Arch linux, arch linux safe, and to default to arch, I add "default 2"
[08:14] <surgy> english
[08:14] <BluesKaj> surgy , sending ff.exe
[08:14] <PhinnFort> BluesKaj is evul
[08:14] <PhinnFort> :D
[08:15] <Pazy> Well theres 4 ununtu (2 recovery, 2 kernals), memtest and Windows. So i think I need default 5
[08:15] <surgy> BluesKaj did you send something?
[08:15] <BluesKaj> yup, waiting for your accept
[08:15] <PhinnFort> Pazy: sounds about right
[08:15] <surgy> BluesKaj dont send any thing bad please
[08:15] <PhinnFort> surgy: I was just kidding, he is rather trustworthy
[08:15] <BluesKaj> PhinnFort was just kidding
[08:16] <Assid> hrmm i wonder how much of a performance increase i can expect on kubuntu with a q6600
[08:16] <surgy> and it didnt work :( becuase it didnt ask for me to accept
[08:16] <Pazy> Thanks, ill reset and try
[08:17] <surgy> BluesKaj try again please?
[08:17] <kamijo> Surgy: I have sent you a request
[08:17] <JRL01192> umm is there anyway of getting clamav from my terminal
[08:17] <JRL01192> because that is the only thing functioning right now
[08:17] <BluesKaj> ok surgy ...sending
[08:17] <surgy> accepted
[08:18] <surgy> connection failed :(
[08:18] <PhinnFort> surgy: what about just pasting "ftp://ftp.sunet.se/pub/www/browsers/mozilla/firefox/releases/latest-2.0/win32/en-GB/Firefox Setup 2.0.0.6.exe" into the run dialog?
[08:18] <BluesKaj> surgy, FW , Proxy ?
[08:18] <surgy> PhinnFort no browser, it tries to luanch IE but IE is trashed
[08:19] <surgy> BluesKaj i have neither
[08:19] <jhutchins> surgy: Keep trying the connection - failures are common on busy servers.
[08:19] <BluesKaj> well, it's not working , do you have dcc ports open in your IRC client ?
[08:20] <PhinnFort> BluesKaj: have you turned on forwarding?
[08:20] <surgy> jhutchins trying the connection on what? its not that it fails, its that my browser does not work at all
[08:20] <BluesKaj> yup
[08:20] <kamijo> surgy: I got a timeout on the request
[08:20] <jhutchins> surgy: I thought you had console ftp working/
[08:20] <jhutchins> ?
[08:21] <BluesKaj> surgy , one more time
[08:21] <surgy> jhutchins i did but i dont know how to use it, and the help file sucks
[08:21] <surgy> nice
[08:21] <PhinnFort> surgy: I'll try, just wait until I get it downloaded
[08:21] <surgy> thnx blueskaj
[08:21] <PhinnFort> oh, ok
[08:21] <surgy> thnx guys
[08:21] <BluesKaj> cool , finally
[08:21] <surgy> just for the record windoze suxors
[08:22] <PhinnFort> BluesKaj: I think it uses random ports, that's why it suddenly works
[08:22] <JRL01192> Im with you mate if it wasn't for windows I wouldn't be here right now
[08:22] <surgy> JRL01192 lol me too
[08:23] <surgy> now it says it needs a dll !!!!!!!
[08:23] <JRL01192> aren't I can't barely move around
[08:23] <PhinnFort> surgy: your OS is fscked...
[08:23] <surgy> agreed
[08:23] <surgy> but i cant fix the other without getting to the grub fix page
[08:24] <PhinnFort> surgy: what exactly is the problem?
[08:24] <surgy> becuase the live d wont connect to the internet
[08:24] <JRL01192> Phinn would it be possible to flush out the source if I delete and reinstall the BIOS?
[08:24] <PhinnFort> br
[08:24] <surgy> i installed windows after i installed linux, now i need to reinstall grub but i forgot all the steps
[08:25] <BluesKaj> PhinnFort:  you were right, i hadn't configged my dcc ports in konverstion to the settings i usually use on my router , due to the fact that i just did another clean install after my fiasco with gutsy :)
[08:25] <surgy> and i went through the help and reinstalled grub but i think i installed it to the wrong partition
[08:26] <surgy> even though sdb1 is my primary partition for linux, i think it needs to be installed on the windows partition?
[08:26] <PhinnFort> ;)
[08:26] <BluesKaj> surgy do you have supergrubdisk ...it helped me several times
[08:26] <PhinnFort> surgy: and you haven't got internet access in linux?
[08:26] <PhinnFort> JRL01192: you shouldn't delete your bios
[08:27] <surgy> phinnfort i dont have internet access on the live cd, and no i dont have supergrub disk never even heard of it
[08:27] <surgy> if i could get to a terminal in my linux instyall i could fix it via irssi and linx
[08:28] <Pazy> That default thing didnt work, when it loaded into Grub it just sat there (like it did before I changed)
[08:29] <JRL01192> is there anyways to download clamav through the apt-get Phinn because at the moment I only have access to my terminal
[08:29] <surgy> can you send me a copy of the supper grub disk image? how big is it and how do i use it?
[08:29] <dopez> i'm curious if this problem is already being worked on for the next release, imo when i plug in USB speakers they should become the default audio device but in 7.04 it doesn't even give a message asking me what to do with the usb speakers, anyone running the development version and have an idea if this is already fixed ?
[08:30] <surgy> oh well im going to get back on the live cd and see if i can get the internet to work there
[08:30] <Pazy> Surgy: The super grub disk is pretty small for a cd Image. Dump it into google and youll get it
[08:30] <jhutchins> surgy: ftp is pretty easy.  open <server>, get /path/to/file or cd /path/to get file.
[08:30] <jhutchins> qiot
[08:30] <surgy> pazy, i have no browser.....
[08:30] <zblach_> hey. i'm fiddling with awk, and I was wondering if I could do a mass rename
[08:30] <jhutchins> quit even
[08:30] <Pazy> ill find a link you can wget or you can install a browser
[08:31] <Pazy> dosent apt-get install firfox work?
[08:31] <zblach_> jhutchins: any reason you're not using fish for ftp?
[08:31] <surgy> pazy lol you missed my problem, im going to try the live cd
[08:31] <Pazy> sure
[08:31] <jhutchins> zblach_: Never heard of it.  He probably doesn't have it on a new install of XP.
[08:31] <zblach_> ah. lol. right
[08:31] <zblach_> for the record, fish://ftp_url
[08:32] <jhutchins> I'm pretty out of touch on the latest XP stuff.
[08:32] <zblach_> also
[08:32] <jhutchins> zblach_: But I thought fish:// was an ssh/scp protocol?
[08:32] <zblach_> yep.
[08:32] <zblach_> oops
[08:32] <zblach_> lol
[08:32] <zblach_> i'm out of touch w/ the question
[08:33] <Pazy> If i pastebin my menu.lst can someone show me how to get it to autoboot XP if I dont click for 10/20 seconds?
[08:33] <jhutchins> Pazy: Sure.
[08:33] <zblach_> no awk masters?
[08:34] <zerothis> I need to create and exact copy of two 100GB drives (drive 1 Ubuntu, drive 2 NTFS with XP) and I have a 250GB USB drive to backup to. How is this done?
[08:34] <jhutchins> zblach_: He b0rked his system, messed up grub, his Windows IE crashes.  He was going to try to install firefox, but cli ftp is beyond him.
[08:34] <Pazy> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/32952/
[08:34] <zblach_> messed grub and windows IE crashings are unrelated
[08:35] <BluesKaj> jhutchins:  I sent surgy FF.exe
[08:35] <jhutchins> zblach_: Well, related by cause, not by outcome.
[08:37] <surgy> guess what guys?
[08:37] <surgy> i got inet in linux :)
[08:37] <JRL01192> I tried to download clamav got the same error as update manager; Could not grab your mouse.
[08:37] <JRL01192> A malicious client may be eavesdropping on your session or you may have clickedmenu or some application just decided to get focus
[08:37] <JRL01192> Try Again.
[08:37] <surgy> !grub
[08:37] <ubotu> grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[08:37] <vzduch> JRL01192: sudo apt-get install klamav
[08:37] <vzduch> on the console
[08:38] <surgy> now do i need to reinstall grub to my windows partition ? or to my linux partition?
[08:38] <zblach_> probably windows
[08:38] <Pazy> I should propably install clamav as well but I cant be bothered. Even on my Windows install ive only ever seen the Anti Virus pop up once and thats when I manually changed an extension.
[08:39] <JRL01192> thanks vz
[08:40] <Pazy> I just set up my printer on Linux, it took me all of 5 minutes including the wires and finding the printer in a cubourd. Took me over half an hour on my mums Vista lol
[08:41] <Pazy> Back in a min, retrying grub changes
[08:41] <surgy> its not working
[08:41] <JRL01192> dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of klamav:
[08:41] <JRL01192>  klamav depends on clamav; however:
[08:41] <JRL01192>   Package clamav is not configured yet.
[08:41] <JRL01192> dpkg: error processing klamav (--configure):
[08:41] <surgy> i cant mount my windows partition
[08:41] <JRL01192> the process failed whahaaha
[08:41] <surgy> ount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sda1,
[08:41] <surgy>        missing codepage or other error
[08:41] <surgy>        In some cases useful info is found in syslog - try
[08:41] <surgy>        dmesg | tail  or so
[08:42] <JRL01192> whahaha someone doesn't want me to dling clamav
[08:42] <succubus_> Hello, installing of the j2ee libraries gets stuck on my system when "removing temporary files". Is it typical?
[08:42] <vzduch> JRL01192: sudo dpkg --configure clamav
[08:42] <surgy> can anyone help?
[08:44] <JRL01192> I encountered an error
[08:44] <surgy> wqell i guess ill come back later
[08:44] <JRL01192> 1876 possible errors
[08:44] <cabroni_> a program to convert FLV to AVI  n' viseversa?
[08:44] <surgy> i need help mounting that partition wheneveer someone has time
[08:45] <JRL01192>   Package clamav-freshclam is not configured yet.
[08:45] <JRL01192>   Package clamav-data is not installed.
[08:45] <JRL01192>   Package clamav-freshclam which provides clamav-data is not configured yet.
[08:47] <JRL01192> w/e I tried to reinstall clamav and it went alright, how do I start clamav?
[08:47] <BluesKaj> surgy , gonna send an ISO.file of supergrubdisk
[08:47] <surgy> uhh
[08:47] <surgy> kindof useless now blueskaj
[08:47] <surgy> but thnks
[08:47] <BluesKaj> ok
[08:48] <surgy> can you help me get my windows part mounted so i can install grub please?
[08:48] <BluesKaj> wasn't paying attn ...wifey , groceries
[08:48] <surgy> np
[08:48] <claw> hello everything all
[08:49] <BluesKaj> well, that's what supergrub disk can do for you
[08:49] <surgy> ok resend
[08:49] <surgy> please
[08:49] <surgy> what exactly does this disk do?
[08:49] <surgy> and how do i use it?
[08:50] <BluesKaj> surgy it. will also let you at least get to the linux prompt if your X is not working
[08:50] <claw> i have a problem i have a notebook acer aspire 3660 but the sound dont listen
[08:50] <surgy> awsome
[08:50] <surgy> BluesKaj: send?
[08:50] <BluesKaj> it's aboot cd , you'll see, quite striaght forward...especially reinstalling the windows MBR
[08:51] <surgy> aceepted
[08:51] <surgy> i dont think its working
[08:52] <BluesKaj> try again
[08:53] <surgy> i have a browser now if you wanna just give me a link
[08:53] <BluesKaj> nope something is blocking
[08:53] <surgy> just give me a link?
[08:53] <claw> something  help me please
[08:54] <surgy> first off your sound should never listen.......
[08:55] <surgy> BluesKaj: can you give me a link to a download location please?
[08:57] <BluesKaj> http://linux.softpedia.com/progDownload/Super-Grub-Disk-Download-8071.html
[08:57] <nzk> Is there a way to show recent RSS feed updates as text overlayed on the back of my desktop?
[08:57] <Assid> heya
[08:59] <surgy> ok one more problem..... how am i suppose to burn an iso while using the live cd with only one cdrom :(
[09:00] <CppIsWeird> how do i change the port of "Remote Desktop"?
[09:01] <Assid> CppIsWeird: on the server ?
[09:01] <CppIsWeird> where else would it be?
[09:01] <Assid> windows server?
[09:01] <CppIsWeird> oh, no, vnc
[09:01] <CppIsWeird> but its called here "Remote Desktop" in ubuntu
[09:02] <CppIsWeird> i dont see any .vncrc file in home
[09:02] <Assid> hrmm not sure
[09:02] <cedric_> where is the conversation in french
[09:03] <trekdanne> !fr
[09:03] <ubotu> Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[09:03] <phoenixz> I have a website with images in sub directories which are shown with apache indexing..  I want to download these images using wget but all it does is save index.html for each dir, and not the files.. I use wget -np -k -nc -t5 -r -l3 http://site.com:8081/img/ but could anybody tell me how I should use wget for this?
[09:03] <cedric_> thank
[09:04] <Assid> no clue.. havent played with it
[09:06] <mimik> why doesn't delete work in the side window of konqueror?
[09:14] <sam_> what is ext3 fill super??
[09:14] <vzduch> ?
[09:18] <zerothis> when i plug in any usb drives, I get the "New Volume - KDE Daemon" window but it won't open the file and it doesn't show up in /media, its also not on the desktop
[09:21] <cabroni_>                          Wich version of Qt is embed in Kubuntu?
[09:22] <cabroni_> {[] 
[09:22] <stdin> cabroni_: embed ?
[09:23] <cabroni_> or instaled;
[09:23] <stdin> cabroni_: open konsole and type "kde-config --version" to see what version you have
[09:24] <cabroni_> thanks
[09:27] <Assid> hey
[09:28] <Assid> can someone help me with this issue
[09:28] <Assid> i ran mkfs.ext3 -j -c -c -v  on a drive.. the output doesnt say anything about any bad block found in the tests.. just said ok
[09:29] <Assid> so does drive have issues ?
[09:29] <vzduch> then you don't have any
[09:29] <Assid> but spinrite from grc showed some
[09:29] <Assid> one sec.. brb
[09:30] <BluesKaj> prolly talking about his windows partition
[09:30] <vzduch> apart from mkfs.ext3 being the format command, if you want to _check_ the fs, use 'sudo fsck -C /dev/hdXY' (replace X and Y w/ the respective characters)
[09:30] <Assid> well it was a windows parition before.. when i ran it.. now its on ext3
[09:30] <BluesKaj> dunno if spinrite looks at or even sees ext partitions
[09:30] <Assid> it does
[09:31] <mimik> is there anything like winrar for kubuntu?
[09:31] <jrift> i use winrar with wine
[09:31] <BluesKaj> no denying spinrite is a good app
[09:32] <stdin> mimik: install "unrar" and use Ark
[09:32] <Assid> so i dont know now.. do i have it or no ? im confused
[09:32] <BluesKaj> have what ?
[09:32] <mimik> when i right click on a rar file, it doesn't have the option to 'extract here' etc... any way to add it?
[09:32] <Assid> any issues on the drive
[09:32] <mimik> that's with unrar already installed
[09:33] <BluesKaj> once you install unrar
[09:33] <elite101> hey i have a spare HDD with kubuntu installed im booting off the live cd rite now and wanna formatt the HDD to a file format i can use in kubuntu to mount and store stuff
[09:33] <elite101> can i just use FAT16/32?
[09:33] <vzduch> I bet you don't want FAT16
[09:33] <elite101> what do i do?
[09:33] <elite101> yeah
[09:33] <elite101> prob not since its only set @ 4gb
[09:33] <BluesKaj> fat32 or ntfs
[09:33] <jrift> i use a fat32 partition for cross compatability with windows
[09:33] <krux> yo
[09:34] <vzduch> if you don't share the drive w/ Winblows, use ext3
[09:34] <stdin> mimik: you should, I do
[09:34] <jhutchins> elite101: If it's going to be just for linux storage, use ext3.
[09:34] <elite101> but what is a fileformat that will work with kubuntu that i can store things in
[09:34] <Assid> BluesKaj: so no issues on my drive ?
[09:34] <elite101> okay
[09:34] <jhutchins> elite101: If you want to share it with XP or Vista, ntfs.
[09:34] <elite101> but i wanna make it compat with windows the drive is only 4.1gb anyways
[09:34] <jrift> fat32 is pretty universally supported
[09:34] <mimik> stdin: hm i have the option with a zip file... eh, should i uninstall and reinstall unrar?
[09:34] <jhutchins> elite101: If you want to share it with other versions of windows, vfat.
[09:34] <elite101> yeah kubuntu doesnt support NTFS it wont mount it
[09:34] <elite101> well its supports it
[09:34] <jrift> kubuntu does support ntfs
[09:34] <jhutchins> elite101: Yes, kubuntu does support ntfs.
[09:34] <elite101> but it doesnt want to mount
[09:35] <BluesKaj> Assid:  did spinrite show any "issues" ?
[09:35] <elite101> yeah sorrymy bad
[09:35] <stdin> mimik: killing konqueror, sometimes it needs to reread it's settings
[09:35] <jhutchins> elite101: It will support it read-only out-of-the-box, and read/write with ntfs-3g.
[09:35] <jrift> manually edit fstab and add the ntfs partitions
[09:35] <stdin> mimik: killall konqueror
[09:35] <Assid> yes.. 2 blocks .. not recoverable
[09:35] <mimik> stdin: k thanks, ill try it
[09:35] <krux> anyone knows why when i try to install openSuSe 10.2 it wont find my 2 ata/atapi harddrives
[09:35] <jhutchins> jrift: If it wont mount manually, fstab won't help.
[09:35] <vzduch> krux: ask in #suse
[09:35] <elite101> well i think i can use FAT32 since the drive is only 4.1gb and i use the drive to move movies from one pc to the other
[09:35] <BluesKaj> have you formatted to ext3 for kubuntu , Assid ?
[09:36] <jrift> it solved the problem for me, jhutchins
[09:36] <Assid> after that.. yes
[09:36] <krux> thanks
[09:36] <elite101> :P
[09:36] <jrift> elite, that's what i'd do
[09:36] <elite101> well im going to format then reboot and re-install on another drive
[09:37] <elite101> lol the windows box is WINME ewwww.....Not compatiable :P
[09:37] <elite101> bye
[09:37] <jrift> bye. good luck
[09:37] <elite101> k
[09:37] <jhutchins> elite101: fat32 then.
[09:37] <jhutchins> vfat
[09:37] <BluesKaj> it could just be the space ext needs to setup an OS once you decide install it , forgotten the name , but when i formatted to ext3 about 2mb was used afterwards
[09:38] <jrift> actually, i misunderstood his 'won't mount'. i was thinking he meant that they didn't automount
[09:38] <jrift> mine were mounting ok, but not at startup
[09:38] <jhutchins> ext reserves a certain amount of emergency space.  You can set it with tunefs.
[09:38] <elite101> k
[09:39] <BluesKaj> ok, thx jhutchins , wasn't sure what it was for, i just assumed
[09:40] <zblach_> quick question. what application would be best suited for synchronizing two partitions?
[09:40] <zblach_> or better, two folders
[09:40] <zblach_> and isn't rsync
[09:40] <dave_> !skim
[09:40] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about skim - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:41] <Theory> zblach_: what do you mean by synchronising?
[09:41] <jhutchins> zblach_: rsync
[09:41] <zblach_> rsync kinda messes up what I do
[09:41] <zblach_> i have a folder on a portable hdd with all my music, and an ipod running rockbox
[09:42] <dave_> can anybody tell me what skim is  for?
[09:42] <zblach_> when I make changes to my music folder (on the HDD), be it addition, subtraction or modification, i'd like to commit those changes also to my pod
[09:42] <zblach_> dave_: skim is for foreign language input
[09:42] <zblach_> like chinese characters
[09:42] <dave_> zblach, thanks
[09:42] <Theory> zblach_: what specific issues do you have with rsync?
[09:43] <zblach_> well, if I move a folder, from A to B on my portable HDD
[09:43] <zblach_> when I next run rsync, it copies B to my ipod, and A back to my hdd
[09:44] <Theory> really?
[09:44] <zblach_> yep
[09:44] <zblach_> same with splitting MP3s
[09:44] <jhutchins> zblach_: what options are you using with the command?
[09:44] <zblach_> -hurv
[09:45] <zblach_> -Hurv
[09:46] <Theory> zblach_: do you run rsync once, or twice (once in each direction) ?
[09:46] <zblach_> once
[09:46] <jhutchins> zblach_: try -Havu
[09:47] <zblach_> it syncs both ways
[09:47] <zblach_> Havu?
[09:47] <Theory> hrm, I find it very surprising it updates src
[09:47] <jhutchins> zblach_: try -Havur
[09:47] <zblach_> i didn't understand what 'archive mode' meant
[09:47] <jhutchins> zblach_: I think that'll give you one way.
[09:47] <Theory> it's just shorthand for all the flags listed afterwards
[09:48] <zblach_> i may use -HavuiPy
[09:48] <zblach_> maybe make that a little more readable
[09:49] <Theory> rsync explicitly doesn't support 2-way sync :-/
[09:49] <zblach_> oh. i thought it synchronized remotely
[09:49] <Theory> rsync is basically a more intelligent cp
[09:49] <AcE13> how do you burn multiple iso images to one dvd? preferbly into their seperate folders and using k3b...
[09:50] <zblach_> AcE13: though not seperate folders (it shouldn't matter), you can cat them together
[09:50] <zblach_> like
[09:50] <Theory> zblach_: anyway, you may find unison is a more intelligent alternative for rsync
[09:50] <zblach_> cat cd1.iso cd2.iso > dvd.iso
[09:50] <zblach_> unison?
[09:51] <AcE13> zblach_: hows that?
[09:51] <Theory> !unison
[09:51] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about unison - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:51] <zblach_> oh. the unison flag?
[09:51] <Theory> no, it's a package
[09:51] <chals> .
[09:51] <zblach_> 99% of the time, i don't make anychanges on the pid
[09:51] <zblach_> **pod
[09:52] <jrift> it might be worth adding a --delete to rsync to handle the removals
[09:52] <jhutchins> !find unison
[09:52] <ubotu> Found: unison, unison-gtk, unison2.9.1, unison2.9.1-gtk
[09:52] <jhutchins> !info unison
[09:52] <ubotu> unison: A file-synchronization tool for Unix and Windows. In component universe, is optional. Version 2.13.16-6ubuntu1 (feisty), package size 469 kB, installed size 1128 kB
[09:53] <chals> .
[09:53] <zblach_> wow. that's exactly what I was looking for
[09:54] <zblach_> no K interface?
[09:54] <Theory> not afaik
[09:54] <Theory> personally I run it from cron
[09:54] <zblach_> good way to do it
[09:55] <chals> hello. any body knows why my printer doesnt print, like empty cartridge, but on windows printing very well
[09:55] <AcE13> ok another question... can you extract an iso image? like a tar file?
[09:56] <zblach_> AcE13: it sounds like you're trying to duplicate something :). k3b rips to ISO when it rips an image, just specify a target
[09:57] <jrift> you can also mount an iso as a filesystem and browse it
[09:57] <Kemedes> Hello, I seem to have a graphic card problem.
[09:57] <zblach_> open up K3b, Copy CD/DVD -> [x]  only create image
[09:58] <Kemedes> Even though the proper drivers are loaded, and the card is fully detected - I can't get direct rendering
[09:58] <chals> my printer doesnt print
[09:58] <jrift> someone more knowledgable fill in the details of that one please so i don't have to rtfm
[09:58] <Kemedes> OpenGL vendor string: Tungsten Graphics, Inc.
[09:58] <Kemedes> OpenGL renderer string: Mesa DRI R200 20060602 AGP 1x x86/MMX/SSE2 TCL
[09:58] <chals> my printer doesnt print
[09:58] <chals> my printer doesnt print
[09:58] <AcE13> zblach_: actually I have three iso files (total 1.9 gig) that I want to burn to a dvd
[09:58] <Assid> jhutchins: any idea on my drive issue?
[09:59] <vzduch> anyone have an idea what can cause the PCM value of the default soundcard to drop by 30% on reboot?
[09:59] <Assid> i really dont want to come across a scenario where it fails later
[09:59] <AcE13> jrift: ok I'll look it up thanks
[09:59] <chals> my printer does not print
[09:59] <vzduch> !patience | chals, and please be more specific
[09:59] <ubotu> chals, and please be more specific: The people here are volunteers, your attitude may determine how fast you are helped.  Not everyone is available all the time, likewise not every answer is available instantly. See also http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines
[10:00] <chals>  im sorry
[10:01] <zblach_> so cat all of them. cat cd1.iso cd2.iso cd3.iso > dvd.iso
[10:01] <zblach_> and then burn the dvd.iso to a disc
[10:01] <zblach_> from image
[10:02] <Kasle> how do i change from GDM to KDE?
[10:03] <zblach_> I can
[10:03] <zblach_> 't use the -a option for rsync because the filesystems are different
[10:09] <Kasle> can anyone please tell me how to change to KDE?
[10:10] <jrift> sudo apt-get install kde-desktop
[10:15] <dave_> kasle,http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu:Feisty#How_to_install_KDE_.28Kubuntu.29
[10:19] <raymond> what is the command to reconfigure the x server
[10:19] <raymond> ?
[10:21] <stdin> raymond: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[10:22] <raymond> thanks
[10:30] <Lopin> I can't start kubuntu for some reason...
[10:31] <vzduch> !preview
[10:31] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about preview - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:31] <Lopin> Can anyone help me with startup issues?  I was using it two hours ago, took a nap, and now it won't start...
[10:31] <waylandbill_> Lopin: how far do you get into the boot sequence?
[10:32] <morph_> hello all
[10:32] <Lopin> Um...
[10:32] <morph_> anyone how to reset adept?
[10:32] <morph_> It doesn't want to let me install anything
[10:32] <morph_> says it is being used already
[10:32] <Lopin> The boot logo came up...  Then a bunch of error messages about starting init.d, and that permissions were denied...
[10:33] <vzduch> !aptfix | morph_
[10:33] <ubotu> morph_: If Adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole:  sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a 
[10:34] <morph_> thanx perfect fix
[10:34] <Lopin> So, yeah...  I tried recovery mode, but it still didn't work...
[10:35] <Lopin> Did I do something wrong?
[10:35] <Lopin> !bootfix
[10:35] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about bootfix - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:36] <excitatory> if i wanted to fsck my root drive, is there anyway to do it without a boot cd?  (i ran out of cdrs and don't really have money to purchase more)
[10:38] <soulrider> excitatory: theres probably a way... but im not sure how
[10:38] <danub> whats up people? having a problem. I just installed kubuntu but now my grub wont show a menu and i cant get back to my windows drives
[10:38] <soulrider> danub: grub doesnt appear ? maybe it didnt detect your windows installation or you accidentally destroyed it
[10:38] <stdin> excitatory: yeah, go to the grub menu, press "e" move down to the kernel section press "e" again then append "init=/bin/sh" to it, press enter then "b"
[10:38] <danub> thow do i modifiy the grub so i can actually load into windows again without overwriting the grub with the windows boot
[10:39] <soulrider> danub: you can edit /boot/grub/menu.lst
[10:39] <soulrider> have you ever done it before or you need guidance ?
[10:39] <danub> it says loading the grub menu, but then it goes striaght into kubuntu
[10:39] <excitatory> stdin: ah nice, thank you sir
[10:40] <Lopin> Anyone know about how linux starts, and why it says I don't have permissions to start linux?
[10:40] <stdin> excitatory: I don't think it will be able to fix some errors, as the partition will still be mounted (afaik), but it will get you check
[10:40] <soulrider> danub: editing the grub config is pretty straightforward, just read the examples there, but dont be afraid to ask. Youll need to know in what partition window is installed though
[10:40] <danub> yeah, thats a problem
[10:41] <danub> i have that stupid jmicron controller
[10:41] <danub> windows sees the disks connected to it fine
[10:41] <danub> tlinux on the other hand... doesn't know i have 2 other disks attached
[10:41] <Lopin> danub: Just look in kubunutu for the device that windows is on...
[10:41] <danub> tone of which was the boot disk
[10:41] <soulrider> danub: do you know the partition number of windows?
[10:41] <soulrider> like /dev/sda5
[10:41] <damian> hello
[10:41] <soulrider> or whatever it is
[10:42] <danub> nope
[10:42] <soulrider> uhm
[10:42] <danub> i cant even see the 2 disks i have attached to my jmicron contoller
[10:42] <soulrider> danub: type df in a console and pastebin the output
[10:42] <soulrider> i think that will show all drives
[10:42] <soulrider> whats a jmicron controller? =/
[10:42] <Lopin> SATA card?
[10:43] <danub> yep
[10:43] <soulrider> oh
[10:43] <danub> well sata and ide
[10:43] <danub> its the first SATA slot and primary ide slot
[10:43] <soulrider> i dont think i can help you there
[10:43] <Lopin> you have a driver disk that came with it?
[10:43] <Lopin> For windows...
[10:43] <danub> no disk
[10:44] <danub> i have the windows disk, but not a driver disk for the jm icron. its onboard
[10:44] <soulrider> uhm, i would google and see if something is to be found
[10:44] <soulrider> i have no idea
[10:44] <Lopin> Well, for some reason, linux might not know how to handle that card...
[10:44] <soulrider> no offense, but it sounds like some evil hardware :P
[10:45] <Lopin> I've had that...
[10:45] <soulrider> danub: what kernel are you using at the moment ?
[10:45] <soulrider> i think kernels before 2.26.18 didnt have support, but they seem to have it now
[10:46] <kaos_> hi can anyone help me with an ndiswrapper broadcom problem it is all installed and working but only worksd at about 30kb/s and im on a 7mb connection
[10:47] <Lopin> Can anyone help me with my booting?  I load the boot animation, but then I get a screen of text, presumably from the kernel, that says that scripts aren't running, for the reason "Permissions denied"...
[10:47] <kaos_> have you changed any file permissions?
[10:47] <kaos_> chmod?
[10:47] <Lopin> kaos_: what are you using to measure the connection?
[10:47] <danub> i am not sure what i'm using
[10:48] <danub> i just downloaded the image from the website about an hour agin
[10:48] <soulrider> danub: type uname -a in a console and paste the output
[10:48] <kaos_> lopin ive tried multiple sources
[10:48] <danub> hour ago
[10:48] <Lopin> kaos_: Not that I know of...  I did install KTTS...
[10:48] <danub> 2.6.20-15-generic #2 SMP Sun Apr 15 07:36:31 UTC 2007 i686 GNU/Linux
[10:48] <soulrider> danub: youre using 2.6.20
[10:49] <soulrider> danub: i suggest you update everything and reboot
[10:49] <soulrider> and then we'll try to see if you can view your drives
[10:49] <danub> yeah i just updated everything
[10:49] <soulrider> oh
[10:49] <Lopin> kaos_ :  I turned it off, took a nap, and then tried to start it, and this blindsided me...
[10:50] <kaos_> ive had mutiple problems like this with ubuntu
[10:50] <soulrider> danub: what kind of drive is windows on? sata or ide ?
[10:51] <Lopin> kaos_ : well, as long as I don't have to reinstall...  That's not even an option...
[10:51] <danub> both
[10:51] <kaos_> i opened a maintenance shell and chmod'd everything took forever
[10:51] <soulrider> you ahve 2 different installations of windows? =/
[10:51] <danub> win XP on ide // Win 2003 Server on SATA
[10:51] <soulrider> oh my
[10:51] <soulrider> ok
[10:51] <kaos_> lopin why dont you boot up using a live cd mount your partition and check permissions and change them
[10:51] <soulrider> type:   ls /dev/ | grep sd
[10:52] <soulrider> and private message me the output
[10:52] <danub> well i went into system settings and found one extra disk
[10:52] <soulrider> extra disk ?
[10:52] <danub> but its not mounted na di cant manage to mount it
[10:52] <danub> yeah... i have 4 HD's in this system... it only shows 3
[10:52] <Lopin> kaos_: That's why I can't reinstall...  The ONLY way i've gotten it to work is a network install, cause I don't have a functioning bootable cd drive anymore...
[10:52] <soulrider> ahh
[10:52] <danub> before it only showed2
[10:53] <kaos_> ok do you have network connectivity now?
[10:53] <soulrider> how many sata how many ideA? and what about your cd drives
[10:53] <Lopin> kaos_: Nope...  I'm using my cell phone as a modem right now...
[10:53] <soulrider> cell phones as modems are kinda slow i think =/
[10:53] <kaos_> ouch
[10:53] <Lopin> soulrider : Yeah, they are...
[10:54] <soulrider> i cant use mine as a modem
[10:54] <Lopin> Little bit better than dial up, though...
[10:54] <soulrider> its a bit old :P
[10:54] <soulrider> doesnt even have usb
[10:54] <kaos_> can you su in a maintenence shell
[10:54] <Lopin> soulrider: mine is allegedly four years old...
[10:54] <danub> cd-rom -> sata /// win xp & Data disk -> IDE //// win 2003 Server -> Sata /// ubuntu -> Sata
[10:54] <soulrider> Lopin: what kind of phone ?
[10:54] <Lopin> kaos_: Haven't been able to load a shell...
[10:54] <kaos_> not even ash?
[10:54] <Lopin> soulrider: Motorola V400
[10:54] <adenicio> hi.i got emerald on my feity.i want to know how to get the themes like when u close a window it break up or light a fire?
[10:54] <soulrider> danub: type ls /dev | grep sd
[10:55] <Lopin> kaos_
[10:55] <kaos_> or initramfs?
[10:55] <soulrider> that should show at least 3 lines
[10:55] <Lopin> kaos_: Ash?  Intramfs?
[10:55] <kaos_> what happens when you try to load a maintenance?
[10:55] <martijn> anyone using knetworkmanager in combination with wpa2?
[10:55] <kaos_> do you use grub?
[10:55] <stdin> adenicio: that's beryl
[10:55] <danub> 8
[10:55] <Lopin> kaos_: I'm using grub...
[10:55] <soulrider> danub: how many different latters? it should show a b and c
[10:55] <soulrider> like sda sdb and sdc
[10:56] <danub> 3
[10:56] <soulrider> good
[10:56] <kaos_> when grub is loading press ESC and choose the second option which will load a maintenance shell
[10:56] <soulrider> now
[10:56] <danub> an a, a b, and a c
[10:56] <kaos_> with you as root
[10:56] <martijn> seems like i am only able to get it to work under wep
[10:56] <soulrider> ls /dev/ | grep hd
[10:56] <kanpachi> hello :) which kde app can i use to rip audio from a dvd?
[10:56] <danub> none
[10:56] <excitatory> stdin: you should really point people to compiz fusion, since beryl development has ceased..
[10:56] <soulrider> danub: i see
[10:56] <soulrider> i think its not detecting your winxp and data drive
[10:56] <excitatory> adenicio: check out compiz-fusion or talk to the folks in #ubuntu-effects
[10:57] <soulrider> danub: im not sure what to do actually =/
[10:57] <danub> well the thing is, i can see that disk in my disk manager gui
[10:57] <stdin> excitatory: it's not in the (official) repos yet, so it's not officially supported in feisty yet
[10:57] <adenicio> stdin: i tink i install beryl
[10:57] <danub> but i cant do anything but view details on it
[10:57] <danub> cant enable or mount
[10:57] <Lopin> kaos_ : now what do I do?
[10:57] <kaos_> also lopin im guessing at some time you will have probably upgraded your kernel so it should still have the boot image for your old kernel
[10:57] <su-hoens> anyone here used mdadm?
[10:57] <soulrider> danub: but can you see in which partition winxp is set up on?
[10:57] <soulrider> its probably 5
[10:57] <soulrider> tell me how many partitions you have
[10:58] <kaos_> on boot when grub is about to load press ESC and it will show a menu
[10:58] <danub> yep, i can see both
[10:58] <kaos_> choose the second one down or a different kernel ver
[10:58] <Lopin> kaos_: I should know if I upgraded the kernel, right?  Cause I DON'T remember that popping up on adept...
[10:58] <soulrider> danub: you could sort of brute force and test partitions and see which one contains it
[10:58] <adenicio> stdin: everytime i conect to this chat it never save the room u-effects how do i save it?
[10:58] <kaos_> it will load a maintenence shell once your in check permissions for whatever its saying it cant ;load
[10:59] <kaos_> yeah it should ask you
[10:59] <stdin> adenicio: what client? kinversation?
[10:59] <danub> it says sdca/sdcb are the disks for data and winxp
[10:59] <stdin> *konversation
[10:59] <Lopin> kaos_ : never upgraded my kernel, though...
[10:59] <soulrider> danub: oh my, ive never seen anything like thata ctually =/
[10:59] <kaos_> doesnt matter you will still have a maintenence shell there
[10:59] <danub> lol
[11:00] <Angelus> hmm
[11:00] <Lopin> kaos_ : Okay...  And I use the chmod command?
[11:00] <soulrider> danub: i dont think i can help you with that much actually
[11:00] <kaos_> soul rider it just means its the 3rd physical hard drive with 2 partitions
[11:00] <danub> ok, well ill try to mess with grub and see what happens
[11:00] <stdin> adenicio: in konversation, press F2 then click the edit button on the right, then you can add "auto join channels"
[11:00] <Angelus> what will happen if a kernel is booted without an operating system ? :p
[11:00] <soulrider> kaos_: it has 2 different letters
[11:00] <kaos_> lopin yes
[11:00] <kanpachi> does anyone know any kde app that can rip audio from a dvd?
[11:00] <soulrider> danub: good luck
[11:00] <soulrider> danub: you could also ask the grub people, if there is a grub channel that is :P
[11:00] <kaos_> kanpachi try acidrip
[11:00] <kanpachi> acidrip?
[11:00] <Lopin> kanpachi : Try AcidRip
[11:00] <kaos_> what letters?
[11:00] <kanpachi> thanx
[11:00] <soulrider> danub:  try #grub see if it exists :P
[11:01] <kanpachi> it's in the repos?
[11:01] <danub> ty for the help
[11:01] <kaos_> kanpachi i think so
[11:01] <stdin> Angelus:
[11:01] <kanpachi> found it
[11:01] <kanpachi> thanx
[11:01] <stdin> Angelus: it would do nothing
[11:01] <kaos_> probably universe
[11:01] <Lopin> kanpachi Was in mine...
[11:01] <dreed> hi
[11:01] <jhutchins> !find acidrip
[11:01] <dreed> i need help
[11:01] <Angelus> ah ok, just cause i was cruious about it
[11:01] <ubotu> Found: acidrip
[11:02] <jhutchins> !info acidrip
[11:02] <ubotu> acidrip: ripping and encoding DVD tool using mplayer and mencoder. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 0.14-0.2ubuntu4 (feisty), package size 54 kB, installed size 288 kB
[11:02] <stdin> !ask
[11:02] <ubotu> Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[11:02] <dreed> how install 3 d aceleration
[11:02] <dreed> in kubuntu
[11:02] <jhutchins> dreed: what video card?
[11:02] <Angelus> how was the first operating system created then if they hadn't an existing operating system to creat it from ? :o
[11:02] <soulrider> !nvidia
[11:02] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[11:03] <stdin> dreed: what graphics hardware?
[11:03] <Lopin> kaos_ : Thanks...  I'm gonna try this, and if I can't get it to work, you'll see me in about twenty minutes...
[11:03] <soulrider> Angelus: i wonder the same, and withc ompilers too
[11:03] <kaos_> lol ok
[11:03] <Angelus> yeah
[11:03] <dreed> is Dforce 5500
[11:03] <adenicio> stdin: are there anymore chanels?if yes can u give me some
[11:03] <Angelus> its like, they hadnt a keyboard and a notepad to type the source code if there wasnt an operating system :o
[11:03] <stdin> dreed: take a look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia
[11:03] <dreed> thx
[11:03] <stdin> adenicio: channels for what?
[11:04] <jhutchins> Angelus: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operating_system#History
[11:04] <Angelus> thankz :D
[11:04] <adenicio> stdin: anyone
[11:04] <jhutchins> adenicio: type /list
[11:05] <stdin> adenicio: each channel is for a topic, this one is for kubuntu, there is also an #ubuntu channel, there is #kde for kde and many other -devel (development) and more general channels
[11:05] <jhutchins> Assid: You could set up the smart monitoring tools - they might help.
[11:05] <Assid> yeah thats next in the list..
[11:06] <adenicio> stdin: i cant do that it give me a warning if my conection is to slow it will disconect wich it is
[11:06] <Assid> if there was a problem.. badblocks would have reported something right? when i ran mkfs.ext3 -j -c -c  ?
[11:06] <Assid> it only ever said Done
[11:06] <deni_> hello everyone
[11:06] <kaos_> hi can anyone help me with an ndiswrapper broadcom problem it is all installed and working but only worksd at about 30kb/s and im on a 7mb connection
[11:07] <stdin> adenicio: it says IF your connection is too slow you MAY be dissconnected
[11:07] <deni_> could someone help me how to remove power manager from the startup applications?
[11:07] <adenicio> stdin: give me a channel who can help me like conecting other apliances to linux like help for bluetooth,my ps2,xp to linux etc
[11:07] <stdin> adenicio: umm, #linux
[11:07] <jhutchins> kaos_: Use the firmwarecutter to grab the firmware files for your card.
[11:08] <kaos_> i tried before but i will uninstall ndis and try again
[11:08] <kaos_> brb
[11:09] <oriol> hola
[11:10] <oriol> alg parla catal?
[11:10] <stdin> !es | oriol
[11:10] <ubotu> oriol: Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[11:10] <oriol> k
[11:10] <Angelus> jhutchins, that wasnt what i wanted, what i wanted to know is how the first "command line" was created? if they hadnt another command line to create it with :p
[11:11] <gandhii> punch cards   ;] 
[11:11] <BluesKaj> stdin: i think he wanted Catalan...a bit diff than spanish, but i guess it works for him :)
[11:11] <stdin> Angelus: huh, it was written in machine code
[11:11] <jhutchins> Angelus: Early programming was done using toggle switches.
[11:11] <jhutchins> Angelus: All output was to a printer.
[11:11] <Angelus> hmm
[11:11] <Angelus> O_o
[11:12] <stdin> BluesKaj: is there a Catalan channel?
[11:12] <Angelus> whats machine code?
[11:12] <jhutchins> Angelus: eventually teletype machines were used to punch paper tapes that were fed in.
[11:12] <BluesKaj> doubt it
[11:12] <jhutchins> Angelus: Punch cards were a parallel development.
[11:12] <Angelus> is there an article on wikipedia for this?
[11:12] <gandhii> i'm sure there is
[11:12] <Angelus> so i can understand it better
[11:12] <Angelus> cause im really curious bout it
[11:12] <jhutchins> Angelus: In the '60's the air force contracted with my Uncle, a recent ROTC graduate, to develop the firmware to display text on a CRT.
[11:13] <jhutchins> Angelus: Early systems were strictly batch systems - you loaded the program, then ran it.
[11:14] <Angelus> hm yes , but how was the first program in the word created if there want anything to creat it with
[11:14] <jhutchins> Angelus: in the late 60's-early 70's the first interactive systems were developed, but most were job control systems to controll batch execution.
[11:15] <jhutchins> Angelus: One example of early programs were sorting algorythms for punch cards.  RPG is basically an advanced emulation of those systems.
[11:15] <jhutchins> Angelus: The OS article is a good one.
[11:16] <Angelus> what are punch cards exacly?
[11:16] <stdin> !ot | Angelus, jhutchins, please take the discussion to offtopic
[11:17] <ubotu> Angelus, jhutchins, please take the discussion to offtopic: #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[11:17] <Kasle> do anyone know about a DJ program?
[11:18] <jhutchins> Kasle: There are a bunch, depending on what aspects of DJ'ing you want to do.
[11:18] <Kasle> jhutchins: scratching..
[11:19] <gandhii> any1 have an opinion on best (most stable) vnc server for kubuntu?    The one that came installed seems to crash quite a bit.
[11:19] <jhutchins> Kasle: k, I know there are some, just don't know which they arre.
[11:19] <Kasle> jhutchins: ok... do u think u can find them? and one more thing.. do u know about a beat program?
[11:21] <Kasle> jhutchins: are u there?
[11:22] <BluesKaj> Kasle: check google-linux  http://www.google.com/linux
[11:23] <Lopin> kaos_:Guess who's back!
[11:23] <Kasle> BluesKaj: thx man
[11:23] <gandhii> google "linux music editor"  or "linux audio editor"
[11:23] <Lopin> Audacity
[11:23] <Lopin> Free, and open source!
[11:24] <Lopin> Okay, but seriously, I'm having problems starting up, and I need some help...
[11:24] <gandhii> also..  ubuntustudio.org is a release of ubuntu with many quality music/audio and graphics editing apps preinstalled
[11:25] <stranger> 
[11:25] <BluesKaj> good one gandhii ...heard about it
[11:25] <gandhii> lopin: whats the trouble?
[11:25] <Lopin> unable to execute /bin/sh for rc-default: Permission denied
[11:25] <gandhii> blues: it is good..   but I wish there was a version with KDE  ;] 
[11:26] <gandhii> Lopin:  type sudo in front of it
[11:26] <Lopin> init: rc-default main process (3978) teminated with status 255
[11:26] <Lopin> I'm starting Kubuntu...  I don't have a chance..
[11:26] <Lopin> That would mean that I'm already the superuser, right?
[11:26] <stdin> Lopin: look at the permissions for /bin/sh
[11:26] <Lopin> I can't get in...
[11:26] <gandhii> not really..  i'm not sure..  still a total newb
[11:26] <Lopin> I'm stuck looking at everything RO in windows...
[11:27] <nicki_> hey all
[11:27] <nicki_> i was just in here a few minutes ago talking about my jmicron controller
[11:27] <stdin> Lopin: you'll need a live CD or something to do it, or you can try with the "init=/bin/sh" boot option (if that works)
[11:27] <gandhii> isnt there a way to get to a cl from the boot menu?
[11:27] <nicki_> i attempted to restart and it wont load up now
[11:28] <nicki_> i get some crap about failed to set xfermode
[11:28] <blekos> hi, which program do u use to have a webcam work (i have installed the drivers)
[11:28] <nicki_> and it keeps dropping me into initfamfs
[11:28] <Lopin> stdin : I can't use a live cd...  I don't have a bootable drive...  Floppy?
[11:28] <nicki_> i need to set the no apic and no lapic switches to the grub but i cant get to the grub
[11:28] <stdin> Lopin: I think you can boot from a floppy, let me find out...
[11:28] <Lopin> nicki_ Good to see I'm not the only one that's still having problems...  ^.^
[11:28] <nicki_> how can i fix this issue?
[11:29] <bipolar> can someone test this openoffice document for me? on both of my feisty installs it's crashes oo.o. It opens in the windows version (2.2.1) fine, and it reportedly works fine in the gutsy version too. http://longbros.com/test.ods
[11:29] <stdin> nicki_: edit the grub line in the grub menu
[11:29] <Assid> err.. how do i permanently keep the PCM volume high ?
[11:29] <Assid> it keeps coming down
[11:29] <nicki_> stdin: yeah, if i could get to it i would
[11:30] <stdin> nicki_: what, you get no grub menu or a message saying "Grub Loading" ??
[11:30] <bipolar> I need it tested by someone running kubuntu
[11:30] <nicki_> oh and soulrider, the reason i think it is having troubles is because the jmicron controller makes everything think my sata/ide drives are actually scsi drives
[11:30] <nicki_> yeah i see that
[11:31] <nicki_> but then it goes to load up the OS but fails before loading and it drops me to a shell
[11:31] <stdin> Lopin: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromCDwithBootFloppy
[11:31] <stdin> nicki_: you can edit the boot line from that grub prompt
[11:31] <gandhii> bipolar...  works in neooffice on macOSX   ;]    -- not that that helps
[11:32] <nicki_> which line do i edit?
[11:32] <nicki_> the kernel or the initrd
[11:32] <Lopin> stdin : FROM CD?!
[11:32] <Lopin> WHY DID I NOT SEE THIS BEFORE?!
[11:32] <stdin> nicki_: select the kernel version, press "e" move down to the "kernel" section, press "e" again, and at the and put the options, then press enter then "b"
[11:32] <bipolar> gandhii: haha
[11:33] <Lopin> Yeah, I can't see the permissions from inside of windows...
[11:33] <nicki_> is there supposed to be spaces between "no" and "apic"?
[11:33] <stdin> nicki_: no
[11:33] <nicki_> or should it be noapic
[11:33] <nicki_> and nolapic
[11:33] <stdin> Lopin: there are a few different ways here too https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation
[11:34] <nicki_> ahh
[11:34] <nicki_> it was missing a space
[11:34] <stdin> nicki_: yeah, you may also need "pci=noacpi" (I do on one of my HP servers)
[11:34] <bipolar> gandhii: so far I've narrowed it down to openoffice on kubuntu feisty
[11:34] <nicki_> ubuntu installed with "noapic"
[11:34] <bipolar> gandhii: I just need someone to confirm it's not just my two systems.
[11:34] <nicki_> i changed it to "no apic no lapic" and now it works fine :)
[11:35] <stdin> nicki_: no space in any, a space is only used to separate the options
[11:35] <stdin> nicki_: if it boots without "noapic" then remove the "no apic" all togethrt
[11:35] <Lopin> stdin : I saw that last one, but the one with the USB cd drives is exactly what I needed!...
[11:35] <Lopin> Just don't want to reinstall if at all possible...
[11:38] <Lopin> stdin : Do you have any clue why it's doing this?
[11:39] <bipolar> please, someone, test this file in kubuntu for me... I now have 3 boxes that it's known to crash, all running kubuntu feisty. http://longbros.com/test.ods
[11:39] <stdin> Lopin: not really, I'm just guessing by the error message that it's a permissions error
[11:40] <z1pp3r> im using the guide from the wiki about how to recover grub. Ive found and mounted my linux partition, but when i try to run "grub-install --root-directory=/mnt/root /dev/sda" it just stalls. What gives?
[11:40] <stdin> bipolar: have you done a bug report?
[11:40] <bipolar> stdin: not yet... I need confermation first
[11:40] <Lopin> stdin : But why would it do that when starting to the superuser?...  I'm so confused...
[11:40] <bipolar> I need to be sure it's not something with my setup
[11:41] <Lopin> bipolar: If I could get my copy of feisty running...
[11:41] <stdin> bipolar: the people reading it can confirm, and you said it dose it on 3 systems
[11:41] <bipolar> stdin: yes... 3 systems all running kubuntu feisty... ubuntu feisty and gutsy do not seem to have this issue.
[11:41] <stdin> Lopin: even root can't execute a file if it's not set to be executable
[11:41] <nagyv> bipolar: no crash here
[11:41] <nicki_> ok
[11:42] <nicki_> i need some help figuring this out now
[11:42] <bipolar> nagyv: wow.... kubuntu feisty, with all the latest updates, right?
[11:42] <nicki_> i am editing my menu.lst file
[11:42] <Lopin> stdin : Okay, then how did we make it non executable all of a sudden...
[11:42] <nicki_> i found my windows drives that i need to get put into my menu list but i dont know what the drive names are
[11:42] <stdin> Lopin: I have no clue :)
[11:42] <nicki_> they are called sdd1 and sdd2
[11:42] <Lopin> stdin : Story of my friggen life...
[11:43] <nicki_> so what do i need to put as my root (,) option in grub?
[11:43] <nagyv> bipolar: exactly, not counting that first it was ubuntu, and then upgraded :) to kubuntu
[11:43] <stdin> Lopin: could be a few things, or could be a random error on the filesystem
[11:43] <Lopin> stdin : Okay...  That makes sense...
[11:43] <bipolar> nagyv: ahh... that might bugger the results...
[11:44] <nagyv> bipolar: I know
[11:44] <bipolar> nagyv: this is a very hard to track down issue....
[11:44] <Lopin> stdin: I only have to play around with like fifteen partitions...
[11:44] <stdin> nicki_: (hd3,0) and (hd3,1) probably, but look in the device.map file for a clue to the hd? part
[11:44] <bipolar> is anyone around here running kubuntu fiesty that was not upgraded from anything?
[11:44] <el_isma> Hi. I've got a laptop with a i810 graphic adapter. How do I configure the external display? Doing what I'd normally do in windows doesn't work
[11:45] <gandhii> bip: me..   but it is at home (i'm at work) and the vnc server crashed again
[11:45] <stdin> Lopin: that's why I only have 5 (6 if you include the extended one), keeps it simple
[11:45] <nicki_> how do i unmount drives?
[11:45] <Cugel> nicki: umount drive
[11:45] <nicki_> umount mountpoint?
[11:46] <z1pp3r> nicki_: umount mountpoint yes
[11:46] <Lopin> stdin: I would, if I didn't goof up my swap drive...
[11:46] <jhutchins> either one works
[11:46] <nicki_> doesn't work
[11:46] <Lopin> stdin So, now I have a tiny drive hiding behind the linux one, that's just sitting there doing nothing...  Windows...  Linux, Swap, and one for documents and stuff...
[11:47] <stdin> !xinerama | el_isma
[11:47] <ubotu> el_isma: xinerama is an extension to !X to use two or more physical displays as one large virtual display. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/XineramaHowTo - See also !DualHead
[11:47] <el_isma> stdin: will that always work? I don't usually have the other monitor pluged in. Right now it doesn't even turn on.
[11:49] <mahdi_> hm, the mplayer-mozilla plugin should be able to handle divx, correct?
[11:49] <stdin> el_isma: you'll have to have 2 sets of settings, one for dual display and one for 1. you won't need this when xorg 7.3 comes out in gutsy tho
[11:49] <stdin> mahdi_: check it's settings
[11:49] <stdin> mahdi_: you have to enable it IIRC
[11:50] <nicki_> device map only shows sda and sdb
[11:50] <nicki_> niether of which are the ones i want
[11:50] <el_isma> stdin: how unstable is gutsy right now?
[11:50] <mahdi_> stdin: well you've lost me on that one, don't know what IIRC stands for
[11:50] <nicki_> should i add it to the device.map?
[11:51] <stdin> nicki_: add the "--recheck" option to grub-install
[11:52] <stdin> el_isma: I wouldn't recommend it if you don't know how to fix apt/dpkg errors or if you need a 100% stable system
[11:52] <nicki_> how do i do that?
[11:52] <nicki_> just add to the grtub line?
[11:52] <stdin> mahdi_: IIRC = If I Recall Correctly
[11:52] <mahdi_> lookit stdin go, multitasking like nobodies business
[11:53] <mahdi_> roger roger
[11:53] <stdin> nicki_: grub-install --recheck (other options here)
[11:53] <el_isma> stdin: Well, I know my way around aptitude (and how to resolve dependency troubles)... is that enough?
[11:53] <stdin> mahdi_: fingers of fire here :p
[11:54] <stdin> el_isma: no, sometimes dpkg will fail, with file conflicts
[11:54] <yoge> HI, I have kubuntu 7.04 on a toshiba satellite and i'd like to disable suspend to ram and hibernation,  any hints?
[11:54] <stdin> el_isma: but even so, 7.3 isn't in gutsy yet, so no point
[11:54] <el_isma> stdin: oh... Thanks for your help!
[11:54] <Lopin> stdin : Do you happen to know what permission number i'm changing this to with chmod?
[11:55] <stdin> yoge: turn off acpi?
[11:55] <stdin> Lopin: it should be a link that points to dash
[11:56] <stdin> Lopin: and /bin/dash should be 755
[11:57] <yoge> stdin: adding noacpi accordingly on /boot/grub/menu.lst, right?
[11:57] <Lopin> Okay...
[11:57] <stdin> yoge: yeah, noacpi and pci=noacpi should do it
[11:58] <stdin> yoge: you can also blacklist the acpi modules too
[11:59] <nicki_> what is my install device going to be?
[11:59] <yoge> stdin: ok, thanks, i gotta try that.
[12:00] <stdin> nicki_: the drive you installed linux to probably (normally its (hd0) )
[12:00] <nicki_> ok
[12:01] <nicki_> now that i have done that... now what?
[12:01] <nicki_> change the settings in the grub to the correct drive and i should be good to go?
[12:01] <stdin> check the device.map again
[12:02] <nicki_> i checked and everything is there
[12:02] <stdin> then it should work :)
[12:02] <nicki_> ok, ill test it
[12:03] <nicki_> tells me selected disk doesn't exist
[12:03] <nicki_> i did hd3,0
[12:04] <eMaX_> hi all
[12:05] <eMaX_> how can I zip a collection of files so that the zip file will be split in chunks of 100 MB that can be extracted using winzip by my windows clients?
[12:07] <jhutchins> eMaX_: There's a zip option, it's in the help/manpage.
[12:07] <nicki_> now i get NTLDR missing... what does that mean?
[12:09] <nicki_> ok i cant boot to any OS now
[12:10] <nicki_> my ubuntu hangs and my windows cant be found
[12:10] <stdin> nicki_: that's a message from windows, it's trying to boot from it's boot loader
[12:10] <eMaX_> jhutchins: well zipsplit requires each file in the original zip to be smaller then the threshold.
[12:11] <nicki_> man this is turning into a big pain in the ass
[12:11] <nicki_> i think ill just fixmbr/fixboot and not install linux until they can get thier shit straight for my mobo
[12:12] <stdin> nicki_: 1) watch the language please, 2) if you want to
[12:14] <bo> is there a script a tool to get the xserver settings regarding the resolution and frequencies right configured?
[12:14] <bo> +or tool
[12:14] <bo> the modlines ...