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[01:15] <mtaylor> can I post a link to a PPA in a bug, or is that in violation of PPA terms? 
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[01:20] <mtaylor> also, fwiw, I just spent a long period of time trying to figure out how to assign a bug to myself and set its status... the triangle was not self-evident with the list of other tasks to the left
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[01:21] <LaserJock> mtaylor: I'm pretty sure PPA is public knowledge, i don't think it'd be a problem
[01:21] <mtaylor> LaserJock: ok. thanks!
[01:22] <LaserJock> but I'm not a LP dev so I can't say for sure
[01:22] <LaserJock> but there are PPA URLs on mailing lists so I don't see why not
[01:31] <Odd_Bloke> Are there any instructions on how to communicate with LP bugs via email?
[01:35] <Fujitsu> Odd_Bloke: https://help.launchpad.net/UsingMaloneEmail
[01:36] <Fujitsu> mtaylor: That interface is being redesigned for the next release.
[01:36] <mtaylor> Fujitsu: sweet. then it's not-a-bug 
[01:38] <Odd_Bloke> Fujitsu: Thanks.
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[02:36] <poolie> hi
[02:37] <poolie> i got a traceback while trying to complete the filing of an apport bug
[02:37] <poolie> Unauthorized: (<Bug at 0x2aaaade216d0>, 'title', 'launchpad.View')
[02:37] <poolie> no oops number
[02:37] <poolie> that seems kind of mean
[02:38] <thumper> poolie: it seems that there is a permission bug somewhere
[02:41] <poolie> yeah
[02:42] <poolie> do you want the traceback or do you think it's been captured
[02:46] <kiko-fud> I want the traceback
[02:47] <kiko-fud> poolie, please
[02:47] <OpenLaunchpadSrc> good night
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[02:48] <kiko-fud> heh
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[02:52] <poolie> kiko-fud: sent
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=== mpt wonders why so many people ask Ubuntu questions in the Launchpad project
[03:17] <mpt> since we can't blame old URLs like we can with /malone
[03:17] <kiko> when you find that out
[03:17] <kiko> you could also research why they create new products asking for ubuntu CDs
[03:18] <LaserJock> mpt: because Launchpad is the Ubuntu bug tracker
[03:19] <mpt> LaserJock, these aren't bug reports, they're questions
[03:19] <LaserJock> well, same thing
[03:19] <LaserJock> "issue tracker"
[03:19] <mpt> i.e. in "Answers" rather than "Bugs"
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[03:22] <LaserJock> mpt: I take it back, I don't see how they can do it
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[03:23] <LaserJock> as far as I can see you have to click on Launchpad, as opposed to Ubuntu which is the item above it, to ask a question on answers.launchpad.net
[03:25] <mpt> hmmmmm
[03:25] <mpt> I wonder if we could special-case "Launchpad" and "Launchpad Translations" to not appear in that list
[03:26] <kiko> mpt, we could, but why?
[03:27] <mpt> kiko, so that I stop getting spammed by people who want to know how to get their keyboard working
[03:27] <mpt> It's quite annoying
[03:27] <kiko> what if the person wants to actually ask a question about launchpad?
[03:27] <kiko> the right way to solve this
[03:27] <kiko> (here goes me blasphemizing and prescribing)
[03:27] <kiko> is
[03:28] <mpt> We have other links to answers.launchpad.net/launchpad
[03:28] <kiko> answers.ubuntu.net
[03:28] <mpt> That Launchpad appears in "Most active projects" is just an accident
[03:28] <kiko> bugs.ubuntu.net
[03:28] <kiko> etc
[03:28] <mpt> Oh man, March 2005 called, they want their domains back ;-)
[03:29] <mpt> but seriously
[03:29] <mpt> I agree with you on farming off Answers
[03:29] <LaserJock> kiko: .com
[03:29] <mpt> well
[03:29] <mpt> theming off, anyway
[03:29] <kiko> right
[03:29] <mpt> maybe changing the domain too isn't necessary
[03:29] <mpt> cf. custhelp.com
[03:29] <LaserJock> we already have bugs.ubuntu.com already, although I don't think it's used/promoted much
[03:29] <kiko> how do they do it?
[03:30] <mpt> http://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Acusthelp.com
[03:31] <mpt> The various subdomain.custhelp.com sites are themed to look like the originating site
[03:31] <kiko> is the theming a paid service?
[03:31] <kiko> our URLs don't help here though
[03:32] <kiko> ubuntu.bugs.launchpad.net
[03:32] <mpt> The whole thing is a paid service, I don't know whether theming is extra
[03:32] <kiko> ubuntu.bugs.edge.launchpad.net
[03:32] <LaserJock> oh man
[03:32] <mpt> kiko, why do our URLs matter for this purpose?
[03:32] <mpt> All the page needs to know is what layer it's in, right?
[03:33] <kiko> uhm, yes
[03:33] <kiko> it doesn't matter internally
[03:33] <kiko> but to the end-user it does
[03:33] <mpt> URLs are overrated
[03:33] <LaserJock> *choke*
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[03:33] <kiko> was that you choking mpt there LaserJock?
[03:33] <LaserJock> yes
[03:34] <LaserJock> that's the only way many people find LP usable :-)
[03:34] <kiko> okay because I felt like that too
[03:34] <mpt> I mean, for the sort of people who ask for help
[03:34] <mpt> they often won't notice what domain they're on
[03:34] <kiko> making it inconsistent with the rest of the site is a disservice
[03:34] <ajmitch> launchpad=ubuntu, right?
[03:34] <kiko> answers
[03:34] <mpt> http://www.ok-cancel.com/archives/link/2004/09/google-answers-hci-phd-program.html
[03:34] <mpt> http://laze.net/fait/archive/2002/07/28/maurys_blooper.php
[03:34] <LaserJock> ajmitch: +1 ;-)
[03:35] <kiko> lol
[03:38] <mpt> Now
[03:38] <mpt> To get back to the original problem
[03:38] <mpt> I think that Launchpad appearing in the "Most active projects" list on answers.launchpad.net is something that doesn't really matter *to Launchpad users*
[03:39] <kiko> that I agree with
[03:39] <mpt> (especially since a large chunk of it is because of <http://launchpad.net/bugs/gbcw>)
[03:39] <kiko> file a bug to nuke it out of the list
[03:39] <mpt> but that its presence there *may* be contributing to people asking Ubuntu questions there by mistake
[03:39] <mpt> so it's worth trying
[03:39] <Fujitsu> Wasn't gbcw meant to be fixed with 1.1.7?
[03:39] <kiko> mpt, now fixed!
[03:39] <mpt> yay
[03:39] <kiko> it's fixed on edge
[03:40] <kiko> what does gbcw mean?
[03:40] <mpt> ubotu, you don't do bug nicknames?
[03:40] <Fujitsu> Do you not query people on why they file answers on the wrong project?
[03:40] <Fujitsu> bug #gbcw
[03:40] <mpt> Fujitsu, we do for bugs, not for answers
[03:40] <Fujitsu> Aw.
[03:40] <kiko> I do for answers
[03:40] <mpt> kiko, "Goodbye Cruel World"
[03:40] <mpt> http://www.dkosopedia.com/wiki/Gbcw
[03:40] <kiko> I get back very nonsensical answers
[03:41] <kiko> I'm new to this computer thing
[03:41] <kiko> etc
[03:41] <ajmitch> there'll always be people with minimal clue around
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[04:00] <mpt> Why aren't new bug reports being announced here any more?
[04:00] <ubotu> New bug: #130784 in launchpad-answers "Many people ask Ubuntu questions in the Launchpad project" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/130784
[04:01] <jjesse> that was just reported :)
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[04:06] <mpt> ubotu, you're trying to make fun of me, aren't you
[04:06] <jjesse> :)
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[04:06] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 44 in rosetta "Translations should be searchable" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/44 - Assigned to   (danilo)
[04:16] <ubotu> New bug: #130785 in malone "Can not view a bug that is a duplicate of a private bug" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/130785
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[04:25] <kiko-zzz> mpt, danilo's getting there with fti
[04:25] <kiko-zzz> he surprised me about it last week
[04:25] <kiko-zzz> so let's see
[04:25] <kiko-zzz> time to catch the Zs
[04:25] <kiko-zzz> laters
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[07:00] <ubotu> New bug: #130801 in launchpad "bug status piechart layout is poor" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/130801
[07:01] <mpt> duplicate
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[08:05] <BjornT> lifeless: reviewer meeting?
[08:10] <lifeless> doh 
[08:10] <lifeless> yes
[08:10] <lifeless> was on the phone to dell
[08:10] <lifeless> reviewer meeting now
[08:10] <lifeless> thumper: ping
[08:10] <lifeless> jamesh: ping
[08:10] <lifeless> spiv: ping
[08:10] <jamesh> pong
[08:10] <spiv> pong
[08:12] <lifeless>  * Roll call
[08:12] <lifeless>  * Next meeting
[08:12] <lifeless>  * Queue status.
[08:12] <thumper> [pmg
[08:12] <thumper> pong
[08:13] <lifeless> so, next tuesday again?
[08:13] <spiv> Suits me.
[08:14] <thumper> ok
[08:15] <lifeless> queue status
[08:15] <lifeless> 22 open reviews
[08:15] <lifeless> (why am I counting these by hand ?)
[08:16] <thumper> habit?
[08:16] <lifeless> 9 over the 2 day target
[08:16] <lifeless> jamesh: ?
[08:16] <spiv> I have almost finished my late review.
[08:16] <spiv> It'll probably be done by the time this meeting is over ;)
[08:16] <jamesh> gar.  I forgot to follow up on that one
[08:17] <jamesh> basically just a decision on what to do about the test in the branch
[08:17] <lifeless> the other offenders are not here
[08:17] <lifeless> BjornT: please kick kiko at the .eu meeting
[08:17] <lifeless> 1/2 the reviews are his
[08:18] <lifeless> though I suspect a certain amount of 'state not changed' is at issue here
[08:18] <BjornT> lifeless: sure. i think he actually reviewed those branches yesterday
[08:18] <lifeless> 18  11  0  kiko  mwh/launchpad/code-import-views-cleanup
[08:18] <lifeless> note the 'last commit' of 0
[08:21] <lifeless> so what about the other reviews
[08:21] <lifeless> is the review load ok?
[08:22] <thumper> I'm going graham's one now
[08:22] <thumper> load is ok for me
[08:22] <BjornT> i think the load is ok
[08:22] <thumper> next week will be more interesting though
[08:23] <lifeless> ok
[08:23] <lifeless> anything more on the queue?
[08:24] <lifeless> thats a no
[08:24] <lifeless>  * pr_notify
[08:24] <lifeless> this is bac's tool to diff stuff from PendingReviews
[08:24] <lifeless> anyone played with it? I'm curious how its better than jamesh's pending-reviews page - it seems to me that james' script is better suited to send task orientated emails, and that bac's thing doesn't need to exist.
[08:25] <thumper> I have no idea what bac's thing is
[08:25] <BjornT> yeah. i'd rather get a daily e-mail, listing the branches in my queue
[08:25] <lifeless>  * A new tool for watching your PendingReviews queue.  Simply subscribing to PendingReviews generates too much noise and doesn't provide enough context.  I've written a cronscript to fetch the PendingReviews page periodically and email an HTML-based diff of the changes ''to a specific reviewer's queue'' when they occur.  Statik has test-driven it and it seems to be working pretty well.  It can be found at: bzr+ssh://devpad.canonical
[08:25] <BjornT> i haven't looked at bac's script, though
[08:26] <thumper> I just look at the page each morning
[08:26] <lifeless> BjornT: can you chat with bac then, get a good use case style 'what it is about' from the .eu meeting?
[08:27] <jamesh> it probably wouldn't be too difficult to get pending-reviews to write out a journal
[08:27] <BjornT> lifeless: yes, i'll talk to him.
[08:27] <lifeless> jamesh: or per-reviewer rss feeds
[08:27] <jamesh> the journal could then be processed to emails or rss feeds
[08:27] <lifeless> jamesh: right
[08:28] <lifeless>  * other business ?
[08:28] <lifeless> 111
[08:28] <lifeless> 110
[08:28] <lifeless> 101
[08:28] <lifeless> 011
[08:28] <lifeless> 010
[08:28] <lifeless> 001
[08:28] <lifeless> 000
[08:28] <lifeless> Thanks for attending
[08:28] <jamesh> probably record (branch_url, state, assignee, has_conflicts, is_merged) and a date for the entry
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[08:39] <Spads> lifeless: you left out 4
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[09:18] <mwh> lifeless: the 'last commit' of 0 was conflict resolution
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[09:36] <BjornT> mpt: i'm going to fix bug 94321 to use the bug address instead of the bug reporter in the From field, for 'you have been subscribed' notifications. do you have any opinions on what to put as the 'name'?
[09:36] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 94321 in malone "status change email has wrong 'From'" [High,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/94321 - Assigned to Bjrn Tillenius (bjornt)
[09:37] <BjornT> mpt: e.g., "From: Bug 42 in Launchpad <42@bugs.lp.net>"
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[09:45] <Fujitsu> BjornT: Putting the bug number the From sounds wrong, as it's never done otherwise. `Launchpad Bug Tracker', perhaps?
[09:45] <Fujitsu> *bug number in the
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[09:51] <carlos> morning
[09:51] <BjornT> Fujitsu: yeah, i agree. i'm leaning towards using 'Launchpad Bug Tracker', actually, but wanted to hear what mpt thinks it should say.
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[10:07] <Fujitsu> Hm, probably `Launchpad Bugs' is more standard, but mpt's ideas are likely better.
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[10:56] <mpt> Oh, the pressure
[10:58] <mpt> BjornT, I'd choose "Launchpad Bugs", but I don't care strongly about it
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[11:31] <taa> hi
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[11:59] <carlos_> taa: hi
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[12:00] <taa> carlos_ hi
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[12:07] <mwhudson> don't think so
[12:07] <Hobbsee> darn
[12:08] <mwhudson> not sure though!
[12:08] <spiv> I don't think so either, but you could presumably test that theory on staging.launchpad.net.
[12:09] <Hobbsee> nope, it doesnt
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[01:37] <sanju_baba> hi all
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[03:02] <viridari> I was just chatting with bac about Launchpad.  I'm a sysadmin at a big corp and currently operate two distinct GForge environments with over 2,000 hosted projects between them.  GForge is honestly a bit of a kluge, and the licensing changes coming up in v5 make it worth looking into other options (if indeed Launchpad is to be released as a FOSS project at some point)
[03:03] <viridari> is it pretty modular underneath?  for example, I've got a little over 2,000 hosted projects right now and the vast majority of those are cvs-based.  A subset of the projects are svn.  Nobody has really asked for bzr or git, etc, yet.
[03:03] <viridari> the other two key things that jump out for me would be mailing list and wiki integration
[03:06] <Odd_Bloke> viridari: https://launchpad.net/faq has an answer regarding the release as a FOSS project.
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[03:57] <zul_> Hi is it possible to merge zulcss and zulcss-ubuntu accounts in launchpad?
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[04:00] <Hobbsee> zul_: yes.  do you have email access to the zulcss-ubuntu account?
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[04:55] <ubotu> New bug: #130878 in rosetta "Remove English ('en') from the 'Make suggestions from'" [High,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/130878
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[06:25] <ubotu> New bug: #130901 in launchpad "Oops pruner script should delete non-referenced NotFound oops older than a week." [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/130901
[06:30] <ubotu> New bug: #130902 in malone "X-Launchpad-Message-Rationale should have Reporter" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/130902
[06:46] <ubotu> New bug: #130905 in malone "Launchpad Bugs and Answers should share code for contact management" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/130905
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[08:53] <Markon> hi everyone
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[08:56] <shirish> hi all, by looking at https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+builds?build_text=&build_state=building one can see which packages are building, is there anyway to know which packages are incoming, let's say for gutsy?
[08:57] <Markon> Does xml2po convert .html files to .po ?
[08:58] <mpt> danilos, ^^
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[08:58] <mpt> cprov, ^^^
[08:59] <mpt> oh wait, shirish, I know the answer to your question myself
[08:59] <danilos> Markon: it only works with XML files, and thus, with XHTML files, if you use a proper mode (-m xhtml), which is what I wrote in an answer
[08:59] <mpt> shirish, from the menu choose "Needs building", then click Update
[08:59] <mpt> those are the incoming packages
[09:00] <Markon> danilos: i've tried it, but it doesn't work :(
[09:01] <shirish> mpt: and I guess those which have a lower count they are built first?
[09:01] <danilos> Markon: try passing files through "xmllint --html --xmlout" first
[09:01] <mpt> shirish, I don't know what the count means
[09:01] <Markon> ok
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[09:02] <mpt> shirish, I don't know what the count means
[09:02] <mpt> I would have thought that the packages will be built in the order they appear in the list
[09:02] <mpt> but I could be wrong
[09:02] <shirish> sorry for that, I meant count as in 7000 as given for openoffice.org
[09:02] <mpt> yes, I see the numbers you're referring to
[09:02] <mpt> I don't know what they are
[09:03] <mpt> although
[09:03] <mpt> they seem to be listed in descending order anyway
[09:03] <shirish> mpt: I read somewhere the nos. also have significance
[09:03] <mpt> so maybe we're both right :-)
[09:03] <mpt> I'll report a bug
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[09:03] <shirish> I hope so, I'm looking so forward to openoffice.org being built & sent down
[09:03] <danilos> Markon: however, note that you'll also be interested in getting translations back, so before you have people translate PO files, make sure you know how to create translated documents first... and using DocBook is a much better solution, imo
[09:04] <cprov> shirish: https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+builds?build_state=pending
[09:05] <Markon> DocBook
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[09:05] <mpt> cprov, what do the numbers mean?
[09:05] <mpt> are they priority?
[09:05] <cprov> shirish: the number is the "build score" and will result in the order the builds will be processed/built
[09:05] <shirish> cpov: from where did you get the build_state=pending
[09:06] <cprov> mpt: yes, it's sort of a 'priority'
[09:06] <shirish> cprov: so bigger the no. bigger the priority or vice-versa
[09:06] <Markon> Do you suggest me to translate this book in another way ?
[09:06] <jjesse> its' not in the drop down list
[09:06] <Markon> (not on lp )
[09:06] <mpt> jjesse, "Needs building"
[09:06] <jjesse> oh, was looking for "pending"
[09:06] <cprov> shirish: higher the score sooner it will get built.
[09:06] <shirish> Markon: shouldn't it be on the list, when we have needs building & other states there. 
[09:07] <mpt> that would make more sense, too -- "Show builds that are: Needs building" isn't quite grammatical
[09:07] <mpt> (and "Show builds which are:", even less so:-)
[09:08] <Markon> shirish:  i don't understand..
[09:08] <Markon> :/
[09:08] <cprov> mpt: edge (RF) doesn't contain the broken sentence
[09:09] <shirish> Markon: I was mis-reading, now I know that state=pending and state=need building mean the same, I guess
[09:09] <mpt> cprov, good work
[09:09] <Markon> ok ok, but my question is there.
[09:10] <mpt> shirish, I don't think Markon particularly cares about builds :-)
[09:10] <mpt> Markon's talking about translations
[09:11] <shirish> The thing is cprov gave me the link to pending, and there is no pending there if I do th e link https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+builds?build_state=pending it defaults to https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+builds?build_text=&build_state=building
[09:11] <Markon> eheh
[09:12] <shirish> although do agree if pending is put instead of needs building, it sounds more accurate & I guess grammatically also correct.
[09:12] <shirish> mpt: if you have already filed a bug please lemme know, I wanna subscribe to it, if not, I'll do it if you're busy
[09:13] <mpt> shirish, bug 130934
[09:13] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 130934 in soyuz "Pending builds have mysterious numbers" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/130934
[09:15] <shirish> mpt: about changing the name in drop-down list from needs building to pending would also be under soyuz or some different thing?
[09:15] <ubotu> New bug: #130934 in soyuz "Pending builds have mysterious numbers" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/130934
[09:16] <shirish> mpt: ?
[09:20] <kiko> shirish, under soyuz too. but what's wrong with needs building again?
[09:21] <shirish> kiko: look at all the other options given in the drop-down menu, they are no ambiguities & they give precise meaning
[09:21] <kiko> is needs building ambiguous?
[09:21] <shirish> kiko: 'peniding' IMO is less ambigious  then 'needs building' 
[09:22] <kiko> in what way, shirish?
[09:22] <kiko> to me, pending is very ambiguous. pending what? approval? supervision? superseding? deletion?
[09:23] <shirish> I was going to say the same thing actually about 'needs building' , its like it needs building, is it waiting for some dependency or what?
[09:23] <shirish> that is also not clear. 
[09:23] <kiko> it's /definitely/ clearer than just "pending". :)
[09:24] <kiko> I guess you're talking about the special case where it needs to build but is blocked on something /other/ than a free buildd?
[09:24] <shirish> kiko: nope, I mean in general, of course use-cases like that would exist
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[09:25] <kiko> I'm really not convinced that pending is any improvement over "needs building".
[09:26] <cprov> neither am I 
[09:26] <shirish> kiko: maybe somebody can come up with even a better term then both 'pending' and 'needs building' which is more precise & tells that its in the queue
[09:27] <cprov> shirish: the lack of help in those pages concerns me more than a possible ambiguity in 'needs building'
[09:28] <kiko> shirish, but can you explain in what cases are you confused when the package is in "needs building"?
[09:28] <kiko> because to me it's pretty straightforward. the package is uploaded and is still in need of building.
[09:28] <kiko> "Not yet built"?
[09:28] <kiko> "Waiting to build"?
[09:30] <shirish> kiko: as a general user who is looking for packages to know where his favorite packages are in queue wouldn't necessary be looking into 'needs building' he would be most probably looking for something saying either 'in queue' or something similar to that , although the term may mean different things to different people 
[09:31] <kiko> wouldn't you just search based on the package name?
[09:31] <kiko> instead of try and figure out in what state it was in?
[09:32] <shirish> kiko: not when things are broken and somebody tells you that a certain release is going to fix that release
[09:32] <shirish> and gutsy-changes tells you its on its way
[09:32] <kiko> I think you'd still search based on the package name, possibly including version
[09:32] <kiko> it just doesn't make sense to look for it any other way
[09:33] <cprov> to not mention the "all states" option that can be combined with name filter to produce the best result
[09:35] <kiko> maybe the UI makes that hard to guess
[09:35] <kiko> shirish, what page did you go to?
[09:35] <shirish> cprov: actually have been looking at that, btw is there any page where one can find any or all info. on the 10-12 machines which you guys are building on
[09:35] <cprov> but it's quite rare to get in the Build Browser page before getting in the SourcePackage page, IMHO
[09:35] <cprov> https://launchpad.net/+builds
[09:36] <shirish> kiko: actually somebody else had pointed out this https://launchpad.net/+builds in the day earlier to check incoming packages
[09:40] <shirish> its actually pretty interesting to know that there are 10-12 machines to build packages, some of them sparc, some of them i386-based machines & some AMD64 & so on. some more technical stuff about each of these machines would have made it more interesting. 
[09:40] <shirish> it/the machines more interesting as well as informative
[09:41] <kiko> I'm not sure we even know a lot about them, though ;-) some are Xen-hosted I believe.
[09:41] <kiko> that's definitely true for the PPA buildds.
[09:41] <shirish> kiko: didn't know about that
[09:41] <kiko> let me see
[09:42] <kiko> yeah, shirish, you're right -- the descriptions are pretty lame.
[09:42] <shirish> kiko: an interesting tit-bit for you, the sparc build for openoffice.org took something like 6 minutes while the i386 has taken more than 38 minutes & its still building. 
[09:43] <kiko> shirish, hmmm. really?
[09:43] <shirish> looking back on the openoffice.org builds some took 10-14 hrs. or even more. 
[09:43] <kiko> doko, does OOO really take like 6 times longer on i386?
[09:43] <shirish> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openoffice.org/2.3.0~src680m224-1ubuntu1/+build/374234
[09:43] <shirish> that's the sparc one I believe
[09:44] <shirish> kiko: it might be that the one on which this one was done was pretty new/faster or something for even the older version of sparc took something like 11 hrs. 
[09:45] <shirish> kiko: oops, that was not sparc which I spoke about it was IA64, apologies
[09:45] <kiko> IA64? what's IA64? ;)
[09:46] <shirish> I know its an architecture, don't know much about it though
[09:47] <kiko> I was joking -- it's mostly a fringe architecture. 
[09:48] <cprov> shirish: if you look in the ia64 buildlog you will see that only 2 c++ files were compiled, I wonder why are they architecture dependent.
[09:48] <shirish> kiko: yup, still looked for it, its intel's stuff for enterprise, but do agree its a fringe architecture
[09:49] <cprov> but anyway (let me get back to my job)
[09:50] <shirish> cprov: no knowledge of building other than .configure, make & make install but its nice to know that there are logs so people could take a look at. 
[09:51] <ubotu> New bug: #130944 in malone "Select a person or team choices could be more helpful" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/130944
[09:53] <Markon> danilos:  i don't find the way to convert the .html :(
[09:53] <shirish> interesting bug ^ ^
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[10:22] <doko> kiko: yes, extracting and converting the language data ;-P *hint* *hint*
[10:23] <kiko> heh
[10:24] <Gwaihir> just a quick question: do the ddtp translations from launchpad get included with Ubuntu?
[10:27] <doko> kiko, oh ia64, that just builds one -dev package, not OOo
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[10:28] <kiko> Gwaihir, AIUI they do, yes
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[10:31] <Gwaihir> kiko: I'm not that sure... but we will hae to wait 'till next release!
[10:31] <Gwaihir> s/hae/have
[10:34] <kiko> Gwaihir, maybe pitti knows
[10:35] <Gwaihir> maybe i'll write him an email!
[10:35] <Gwaihir> thx
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[10:51] <Markon> danilos:  i've found this: http://www.eecs.umich.edu/~ppadala/projects/tidy/#download
[10:52] <Markon> Do you think it can be useful ?
[10:52] <mtaylor> any word on when the delete button is going on the ppa? 
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