[12:29] <jmg> except for this one https://bugs.launchpad.net/debian/+source/smartmontools/+bug/11461 which describes a hang
[12:29] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 11461 in smartmontools "smartmontools takes the system down to a near halt" [Unknown,Fix released] 
[12:29] <Xsss4hell> like I told you p4c800e and p4c800e-deluxe are different models
[12:29] <jmg> yes but search for p4c800e will yield results for both
[12:30] <Xsss4hell> no I had no system hangs, the system just beeps ramdomly in gutsy
[12:30] <jmg> does it boot?
[12:32] <Xsss4hell> yes
[12:32] <Xsss4hell> It even installs
[12:32] <Xsss4hell> no errors, except a console window that appeared on tribe-2
[12:33] <Xsss4hell> but in tribe one I have no errors reported from the system except those while booting and the random beeping
[12:34] <Xsss4hell> turning off ecc cures the symptoms, but I doen't cure the bug
[12:34] <aneb> What is this?
[12:36] <jmg> see topic
[12:48] <alex-weej> fretsonfire is jerky in gutsy
[12:48] <alex-weej> damnitdamnitdamnit!
[12:52] <AnRkey> what is fretsonfire?
[12:52] <opop> guitarhero, basically
[12:52] <Dave2> a clone rip off of guitar hero which is a rip off of guitarfreaks
[12:53] <pwnguin> is it in gutsy?
[12:53] <Dave2> er, s/clone //
[12:53] <AnRkey> alex-weej, try building from source
[12:53] <opop> so did you all hear they're doing a GEICO caveman tv show in the Fall?
[12:54] <opop> and "the sarah connor chronicles" or some shit
[12:54] <alex-weej> AnRkey: it's python anyway
[12:54] <alex-weej> AnRkey: it was sweet in Feisty
[12:54] <pwnguin> Dave2: of course, you can make and play new songs with frets on fire
[12:54] <alex-weej> AnRkey: but now both the gutsy package and the upstream package is jerky
[12:54] <alex-weej> maybe i need to check my drivers. are there any GL performance tools i can use?
[12:54] <jmg> alex-weej: ut2004
[12:54] <pwnguin> .... glxgears
[12:54] <jmg> :)
[12:54] <pwnguin> quake3?
[12:55] <pwnguin> there arent many good linux gl benchmarks
[12:56] <alex-weej> http://polarbeardk.blogspot.com/2006/11/gl-obs-gl-open-benchmark-suite-on.html
[12:56] <alex-weej> ut2004 runs fine
[12:57] <pwnguin> alex-weej: is it pegging the cpu?
[12:59] <alex-weej> pwnguin: maybe. let me kill f@h and i'll tell you
[12:59] <alex-weej> ok it's evolution pegging my fucking CPU
[01:00] <alex-weej> and nautilus
[01:00] <alex-weej> and epiphany
[01:00] <alex-weej> but mostly evolution. help!
[01:03] <frandavid100> hello guys
[01:03] <alex-weej> ok so after nuking those, something is still noticably knacking me every second
[01:03] <frandavid100> can you take a quick look at this bug? http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=460277
[01:03] <ubotu> Gnome bug 460277 in stock-icons "new OK / cancel / apply icons look fuzzy" [Normal,Unconfirmed] 
[01:04] <AnRkey> has anyone used todays cdimage build of kubuntu?
[01:05] <AnRkey> on one of my test boxes it hung at 6% of the install
[01:06] <arooni> xtknight: hey man
[01:06] <Xsss4hell> gonna install from usb now, hooooope it works
[01:06] <Xsss4hell> cu
[01:07] <arooni> xtknight: do u remember the command we used to list out all the partitions ... and what file system etc.. there are
[01:07] <pwnguin> alex-weej: i recommend gnome-system monitor. it does a good job of highlighting performance over time. just make sure to change iowait to something like yellow so you can see it
[01:08] <pwnguin> alex-weej: another possibility is that your audio buffer is the wrong size. sometimes that causes problems for me when it's too small
[01:11] <alex-weej> pwnguin: actually it was gnome-system-monitor that was lagging me once a second as it redraws the graph. go cairo.
[01:11] <alex-weej> pwnguin: but it looks like a busy loop somewhere in nautilus/ephy/evolution (or some gnome lib) that was causing the grief in the first place.
[01:12] <alex-weej> pwnguin: thanks :)
[01:12] <xtknight> arooni, hey
[01:12] <xtknight> arooni, sudo fdisk -l
[01:12] <arooni> right but how do i get labels
[01:12] <xtknight> or "sudo lshw"  or maybe "mount" or "df -h"
[01:12] <xtknight> lshw showed the model number of the HD and stuff
[01:13] <xtknight> arooni, did you get it working after all?
[01:13] <xtknight> i kind of forgot
[01:13] <arooni> xtknight: linux works fine
[01:13] <arooni> but now i'm trying to fix it so i can boot winxp
[01:13] <xtknight> ahh
[01:13] <xtknight> oh boy :\
[01:14] <arooni> i wish i could hire a linux expert
[01:14] <arooni> to come over here and fix it in 5 min
[01:14] <xtknight> you could enable vnc
[01:15] <xtknight> vino-preferences
[01:15] <arooni> is that virtual windows boot
[01:15] <xtknight> nono
[01:15] <xtknight> desktop shraing
[01:15] <xtknight> sharing*
[01:16] <xtknight> looks like you have comcast in WA.  i haev comcast in MI.  we should have a fast connection
[01:16] <pwnguin> pwnguin: i meant the applet. it doesn't take much cpu ;) the full program does, but i guess it looks pretty
[01:17] <pwnguin> arooni: ubnutu didnt detect windows xp at install?
[01:17] <arooni> oooh
[01:17] <arooni> cool
[01:17] <arooni> yeah i can do that
[01:17] <arooni> i dont know how
[01:17] <pwnguin> dual booting is hard. hard enough that windows generally doesn't even bother helping you with it
[01:18] <arooni> silly wniodw
[01:18] <xtknight> arooni, behind a router?
[01:19] <pwnguin> arooni: if you really want to hire a linux expert to help you in person, you could either contact the Washington LoCo, or look for some local Linux User Groups
[01:19] <arooni> xtknight: yeah
[01:20] <xtknight> arooni, know about nat or port forwarding?
[01:20] <arooni> xtknight: yes
[01:20] <xtknight> arooni, ok can you set it up to allow vnc to ur ip?
[01:21] <pwnguin> vnc listens on port 5900 i think
[01:21] <arooni> check out : http://pastie.caboo.se/85248 and http://pastie.caboo.se/85430
[01:21] <arooni> i can set it uppartiion
[01:21] <arooni> i can set it up for sure
[01:21] <alex-weej> fucking great. now it's trackerd taking 100% CPU
[01:22] <xtknight> arooni, what are these?  the pastes
[01:22] <xtknight> first one at least
[01:22] <xtknight> wrong url?
[01:22] <pwnguin> ...
[01:22] <arooni> first one is the oops
[01:22] <arooni> oops
[01:22] <arooni> http://pastie.caboo.se/85428
[01:23] <pwnguin> the second one is windows bootloader
[01:23] <xtknight> ya boot.ini
[01:23] <arooni> basically showing windows drive is on disk1, parition0, but its looking for ... disk0, partition 1
[01:23] <arooni> am i interpreting that right?
[01:23] <xtknight> i tihnk so
[01:23] <xtknight> windows is confusing
[01:23] <xtknight> there's that rdisk thing
[01:23] <xtknight> i dont really know it too well
[01:24] <pwnguin> arooni: is there a reason you're not using grub?
[01:24] <arooni> pwnguin: i am using grub
[01:24] <arooni> i want to use grub
[01:24] <pwnguin> ok
[01:24] <arooni> i was told in windows to less /dev/hdc1
[01:24] <arooni> less /dev/hdc1/boot.ini
[01:24] <arooni> i mean
[01:25] <pwnguin> alrighty. interesting, you've got windows on a seperate disk from linux
[01:25] <arooni> right
[01:25] <arooni> thats true
[01:26] <xtknight> arooni, well you cant even get it to show the windows loader right?  boot.ini is after grub
[01:26] <xtknight> so that's the first step
[01:26] <arooni> its on my 80gb hard drive, the 25 gb partition
[01:26] <tehk> Anyone know why all opengl apps(glxgears,warsow) kill my xserver. I am using compiz.
[01:26] <arooni> i can get it to show the windows boot loader
[01:26] <arooni> in grub
[01:26] <xtknight> oh
[01:26] <arooni> let me paste my menu.lst
[01:26] <pwnguin> arooni: did you customize this boot.ini?
[01:26] <alex-weej> any way i can disable tracker?
[01:26] <alex-weej> it's eaten all of my RAM and still going
[01:26] <arooni> pwnguin: nope
[01:27] <alex-weej> kswapd is going mental
[01:27] <arooni> where is the menu.list
[01:27] <arooni> i foret
[01:27] <pwnguin> alex-weej: what is trackerd?
[01:27] <xtknight> arooni, /boot/grub
[01:27] <alex-weej> pwnguin: newfangled metadata store
[01:27] <arooni> when i try to boot into win xp via the grub interface, i get this problem: "Windows could not start because the following file is missing or corrupt: <Windows root>\system32\hal.dll ... please re-install a copy of the file above
[01:27] <pwnguin> alex-weej: it's probably doing a primary index build
[01:27] <alex-weej> pwnguin: and i don't want it to. i want it to piss off. :P
[01:28] <alex-weej> oh well, i've killed it for now
[01:28] <xtknight> then kill -9 it
[01:28] <alex-weej> i just want to play a bit of FoF :D
[01:28] <pwnguin> alex-weej: fair enough. you could either remove it through apt-get, or kill it
[01:28] <alex-weej> it ate 800 MB
[01:28] <pwnguin> -9 is too harsh
[01:28] <alex-weej> i just TERMd it
[01:28] <pwnguin> let the thing at least clean up ;)
[01:29] <arooni> pwnguin: xtknight here is my menu.lst:  http://pastie.caboo.se/85433
[01:29] <j3g> i installed gutsy as my hardware is not really supported under feisty... but after doing apt-get install ubuntu-desktop, it seems to have damaged some scrollkeeper files... installing cupsys prints out a lot of parser errors on /lib/scrollkeeper/pa/scrollkeeper_cl.xml, is there a way to rebuild this?
[01:29] <j3g> short of reinstalling
[01:29] <pwnguin> arooni: what's with the markup of this text?
[01:30] <arooni> pwnguin: i dont know is it confusing
[01:30] <arooni> should i repaste somewhere else?
[01:31] <pwnguin> it's not too bad, but it might help if you did paste elsewhere
[01:31] <pwnguin> arooni: i dont quite get the map stuff under the winXP boot section
[01:31] <arooni> pwenhttp://rafb.nert/p/7k6db178.html
[01:32] <arooni> http://rafb.net/p/7k6db178.html
[01:32] <pwnguin> are you typing these in by hand?
[01:32] <arooni> yeah, other comp has no inet
[01:32] <pwnguin> ok
[01:33] <pwnguin> so what happens when you pick the menu entry that says specificially "Microsoft Windows XP Professional"
[01:33] <pwnguin> ?
[01:35] <arooni> pwnguin: i get the error i discussed above .. can't find WINDOWS ROOT/system32/hal.dll
[01:35] <xtknight> arooni, probably wrong disk or rdisk #
[01:35] <xtknight> in boot.ini
[01:35] <xtknight> i duno
[01:36] <pwnguin> arooni: and im guessing the one that says NT/2000/XP doesn't work at all
[01:37] <arooni> i can't get winxp to boot.  i can see grub at startup, but when i select windows i get an error that <WINDOWS_ROOT>/system32/hal.dll could not be found.  i have verified that the file exists on the hard drive in question.  how can i boot to winxp (i can already boot to ubuntu 7.04).  ... list of devices etc... & output of lshw -l: http://pastie.caboo.se/85428, my grub's menu.list: http://pastie.ca
[01:37] <arooni> boo.se/85433.... and finally the output  /media/hdc1/boot.ini (the partition wih winxp on it).... http://pastie.caboo.se/85430
[01:37] <arooni> oops u folks know all that
[01:38] <arooni> pwnguin: it takes me to a boot loader with two options
[01:38] <arooni> when i select either one.. screen goes blank for awhile, then comp reboots
[01:38] <xtknight> hmm
[01:39] <xtknight> arooni, if you press "Microsoft Windows XP Professional" on grub it goes to menu.lst right?
[01:39] <xtknight> er boot.ini
[01:40] <dick-richardson> I'm running kubuntu gutsy...I can't find the battery monitor. am I messing something up?
[01:42] <dick-richardson> xtknight: I'm not certain. i believe grub replaces the boot.ini
[01:42] <xtknight> nah
[01:42] <dick-richardson> I know it's still there. I'm saying I believe it loads the windows kernel...bypassing it
[01:42] <pwnguin> dick-richardson: its a bit more complicated than that for arooni
[01:43] <xtknight> ok boot.ini's naming convention: (ARC)  for IDE, multi is always 0.  rdisk is always 0.  disk is the 0-based index of the HD (hdX).  partition is y (hdX,y)
[01:43] <xtknight> and partition starts at 1 :\
[01:44] <pwnguin> hurray for consistancy
[01:44] <xtknight> hd(x,y) in grub->multi(0)rdisk(0)disk(x)partition(y+1) for boot.ini.  with that in mind...
[01:44] <dick-richardson> gotcha...sorry. coming to the conversation late :
[01:45] <arooni> xtknight: what should i do
[01:45] <xtknight> arooni, well where is your windows disk?  find it and mount it
[01:45] <xtknight> arooni, i just need the /dev/hdx
[01:45] <xtknight> hda1, hdb5, etc
[01:45] <pwnguin> xtknight: it should be /dev/hdc1
[01:45] <xtknight> ok
[01:45] <pwnguin> BUT
[01:45] <pwnguin> look at the chainloader block again
[01:46] <xtknight> then, most likely multi(0)rdisk(0)disk(2)partition(1)\WINDOWS
[01:46] <dick-richardson> sata show up sdx, correct?
[01:46] <xtknight> we can try different things
[01:46] <xtknight> dick-richardson, actually hdx
[01:46] <xtknight> er sdx for linux
[01:46] <pwnguin> map		(hd0) (hd2)
[01:46] <xtknight> hdx,y for grub
[01:46] <pwnguin> map		(hd2) (hd0)
[01:46] <pwnguin> grub redid the bios mapping
[01:46] <xtknight> ya that map thing is confusing
[01:46] <arooni> xtknight:  its... /dev/hdc1
[01:46] <xtknight> well we can add different entries in boot.ini
[01:46] <xtknight> to test
[01:47] <xtknight> arooni, make one of them /dev/hdc1 in boot.ini.  that is, multi(0)rdisk(0)disk(2)partition(1)\WINDOWS
[01:47] <xtknight> sorry that's out of order
[01:47] <pwnguin> edit with what?
[01:48] <xtknight> multi(0)disk(2)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS
[01:48] <xtknight> i dunno?  ntfs-3g?
[01:49] <xtknight> maybe "map" is trying to change what boot.ini points to
[01:49] <xtknight> hmm
[01:49] <pwnguin> whatever app you suggest needs to respect windows text formatting
[01:49] <pwnguin> also, http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/html_node/map.html
[01:49] <xtknight> "wine notepad"
[01:49] <dick-richardson> anyone familiar with a lack of battery monitor in kubuntu+1?
[01:52] <dick-richardson> it has it's moments
[01:53] <arooni> hey im' back
[01:54] <dick-richardson> but the real advantage that battery monitor had was automatically changing the cpu governor on my laptop when on ac or dc
[01:54] <dick-richardson> and telling me how much battery I had left :P
[01:54] <pwnguin> dick-richardson: check if acpi loaded
[01:54] <pwnguin> its possible your acpi is broken
[01:54] <arooni> so did we have a final decisiion
[01:55] <pwnguin> arooni: on?
[01:55] <dick-richardson> pwnguin: acpi at the command line works
[01:55] <arooni> what to change
[01:55] <dick-richardson> i'm assuming that means it's loaded
[01:55] <pwnguin> arooni: if you have write access to boot.ini, xtknight wanted to try some variations on that
[01:56] <pwnguin> dick-richardson: should. also check /proc
[01:56] <arooni> ok i can access boot.ini
[01:56] <pwnguin> arooni: read-write or read only?
[01:56] <dick-richardson> pwnguin: it's there
[01:56] <pwnguin> dick-richardson: well duh. i meant /proc/acpi/*
[01:56] <arooni> xtknight: i can edit cuz i have ubuntu loaded and the winxp partitions uplaodedd
[01:56] <arooni> i mean mounted
[01:56] <xtknight> arooni, and ntfs-3g driver?
[01:57] <arooni> yeah
[01:57] <xtknight> ah k
[01:57] <arooni> ahh i
[01:57] <arooni> dont have that installed yet
[01:57] <xtknight> need it for write
[01:57] <xtknight> !ntfs-3g
[01:57] <ubotu> ntfs-3g is a Linux driver which allows read/write access to NTFS partitions. Installation instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MountingWindowsPartitions
[01:57] <pwnguin> arooni: when you type in mount, does the line for /dev/hdc1 say "rw" or "ro"
[01:57] <pwnguin> ?
[01:57] <dick-richardson> pwnguin: there's quite a bit there...anything we're looking for specifically?
[01:57] <pwnguin> dick-richardson: well, battery, but it sounds like it's all working.
[01:57] <arooni> pwnguin: um, what args to pass to mount
[01:58] <pwnguin> arooni: none
[01:58] <xtknight> you cant write with "ntfs"
[01:58] <xtknight> you need "ntfs-3g"
[01:58] <dick-richardson> yep...must be a kde deal
[01:58] <xtknight> unless you have a special kernel with the unstable write suppotr
[01:58] <pwnguin> with no options it should display the list of currently mounted file systems
[02:00] <arooni> do i need to remount the windows directory after i install the ntfs-3g driver
[02:02] <arooni> why do i get readonly
[02:02] <arooni> when i try to edit the boot.ini file
[02:02] <arooni> if i type mount... i see rw for every drive
[02:12] <xtknight> arooni, well the ntfs driver itself does not support rw
[02:12] <xtknight> it might evn say rw
[02:13] <xtknight> you need ntfs-3g tho and yeah you need to remount with "mount -t ntfs-3g"
[02:16] <hwilde> !fuse | arooni
[02:16] <ubotu> arooni: Though it's still very unsafe, you can read about Ubuntu NTFS writing using fuse here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lkraider/NtfsFuse
[02:43] <tehk> Anyone know why running glxgears will kill my xserver while running compiz?
[02:43] <RAOF> tehk: Because you're using the nvidia binary blob, and it's crap?
[02:45] <tehk> Thanks
[02:46] <RAOF> Well, I haven't been actually *helpful* :(
[02:50] <tehk> No worries. I need to drop my 7950gx2 as soon as intel comes out with a new powerful solution with open drivers.
[02:51] <RAOF> Or nouveau works, whichever happens first :)
[02:53] <pwnguin> i still wish gobuntu would actively do something, instead of sitting around talking about patents, logos and such.
[02:54] <tehk> Wait what do you want them to do?
[02:54] <pwnguin> package alternatives to things they want to take out
[02:54] <pwnguin> for example, nouveau
[02:54] <tehk> Well that is still very very much beta
[02:54] <RAOF> Which doesn't work
[02:55] <RAOF> They include nv, which does.
[02:55] <pwnguin> who cares, at least it'd be easy to try out
[02:55] <RAOF> And is still open source.
[02:55] <tehk> Its a release not a beta try out distro
[02:55] <RAOF> pwnguin: Try my PPA if you really want to try out nouveau.
[02:55] <pwnguin> so put it in motu
[02:55] <RAOF> But they break all the time.
[02:55] <pwnguin> its not like im saying install by default
[02:56] <RAOF> Git moves fast, so it would be counterproductive to test any packages in the distro.
[02:56] <pwnguin> and anyways, im not sure why nouveau is more beta than nv
[02:56] <RAOF> pwnguin: Because it doesn't work?
[02:56] <tehk> pwnguin, because nv work?
[02:56] <RAOF> nv is (1) stable, (2) has been released
[02:57] <pwnguin> define release
[02:57] <RAOF> Oh, and because to test nouveau you need a (moving) git snapshot of libdrm, which will break non-nouveau drivers.
[02:58] <RAOF> pwnguin: Has put a tarball up on freedesktop.org :)
[02:58] <tehk> that sounds unfun
[02:58] <jmg> does nouveau actually use t&l?
[02:58] <RAOF> No.
[02:59] <RAOF> It doesn't do 3d.
[02:59] <jmg> whats the point?
[02:59] <RAOF> Except to the most rudimentary extent.
[02:59] <RAOF> It *will* do 3d, someday :)
[02:59] <pwnguin> im a bit confused as to how nouveau forked nv and wound up with less 2d functionality, but if it's depending on a new version of a library, that might be plausible grounds for non-inclusion
[03:00] <jmg> NVidia/ATI's reasons for a binary blob are pretty well established now.
[03:00] <d4rkmonkey> I'm trying to install rock box utils, and I downloaded the gutsy .deb from the rockbox site, when GDebi starts up it seems to load something then it crashes. How do I install from terminal?
[03:00] <pwnguin> jmg: they dont want to be sued for crimed they think they may have committed?
[03:00] <jmg> They've both adjusted their licenses to allow including the driver as part of a distribution too.
[03:00] <jmg> pwnguin: i beleive the legal term is "deadly embrace"
[03:01] <pwnguin> well, all i know is that they keep dropping video cards
[03:01] <jmg> this is true.
[03:01] <DanaG> I hate how the NV driver seems to have totally unaccelerated 3D.
[03:01] <DanaG> er, 2D.
[03:01] <jmg> that's why we ave -legacy.
[03:02] <pwnguin> -legacy likely receives no security attention
[03:02] <RAOF> DanaG: Actually, it doesn't.  It should do 2d accel.
[03:02] <DanaG> At least on the lab computers at my college -- Fedora 6, I think, and FX 5200.
[03:02] <jmg> I imagine if someone disclosed a security issue it would be looked at.
[03:02] <DanaG> But I got all sorts of slowness and tearing-ness with nv.
[03:03] <DanaG> I'll have to try the Gutsy nv for 2D functionality some time.
[03:03] <RAOF> pwnguin: The reason why nouveau has (kinda) worse 2d than nv is that they rewrote huge parts of it.
[03:03] <jmg> That's not a reason.
[03:03] <pwnguin> the bigger problem with nv i have is that edids are broken for widescreen
[03:03] <DanaG> Yup, I'd agree with that.
[03:03] <RAOF> pwnguin: (1) In order to get it ready for 3d, (2) To push a bunch of stuff into a drm kernel module.
[03:04] <pwnguin> i keep thinking rights management
[03:04] <jmg> yeah
[03:04] <DanaG> Oh, one thing I hope for in nouveau: compatibility with nvidiafb.
[03:04] <pwnguin> i assume it means direct rendering manager
[03:04] <DanaG> Too bad the DRM (as in DRI) name wasn
[03:05] <DanaG> 't trademarked.
[03:05] <RAOF> Heh.
[03:06] <RAOF> Yeah, nouveau is (among other things) kinda a prototype for pushing useful bits of X drivers into kernelspace.
[03:06] <DanaG> Then others couln't have called it Digital Rights Management.  I wonder what they'd call it.... digital CRIPPLEDNESS management?
[03:07] <DanaG> Then again, maybe trademarks don't work that way.
[03:08] <pwnguin> so is madwifi non-free or what?
[03:10] <DanaG> It's reeeeeally confusing.
[03:10] <pwnguin> ?
[03:11] <pwnguin> probably because madwifi is not a good name?
[03:11] <pwnguin> i mean, ath_hal is a reasonably descriptive module name
[03:11] <DanaG> At least iwlwifi has names 'iwl3945' and 'iwl4965'.
[03:12] <DanaG> But ath_something has no logical connection to 'madwifi'.
[03:12] <DanaG> (ath_pci, and anything else)
[03:12] <pwnguin> supposedly there's openHAL
[03:12] <pwnguin> i dont know how finished it is
[03:13] <DanaG> And that name collides with "HAL".
[03:15] <pwnguin> ?
[03:15] <pwnguin> its a hardware access layer
[03:15] <RAOF> Not to be confused with the "Hardware Abstraction Layer" daemon.
[03:16] <pwnguin> or even abstraction
[03:17] <pwnguin> at any rate, what id rather see from the gobuntu community is doing, rather than arguing
[03:18] <DanaG> Another naming issue there... in my mind, go => mobile
[03:23] <hwilde> gobuntu ?
[03:50] <hwilde> how could 'Loading hardware drivers' just mysteriously disappear?   Good:  http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/32519/    Bad: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/32518/
[04:12] <vlowther> enough futzing around with ipw3945 semi-functionality -- madwifi for the win!
[04:13] <vlowther> now, to wait for the fix to the "o hai i pwned ur 2nd core" in smp-alternatives
[04:17] <DanaG> Oh yeah, I have sometimes been getting a kernel oops in something, on my second core, upon resume from suspend.
[04:28] <arooni> hey folks
[04:28] <arooni> xtknight: u there ?
[04:29] <xtknight> arooni, ya
[04:29] <arooni> ok
[04:29] <arooni> i can finally write to boot.ini
[04:30] <arooni> i changed the boot.ini file you reccomended , but then i couldnt load windows
[04:30] <arooni> it said some error about reading hard drive
[04:32] <xtknight> hmm i'm afraid i dont really know how to fix it, other than just brute forcing the boot.ini numbers.  just trying different ones..
[04:32] <DanaG> Oh yeah, the partition that has ntldr has to be marked active, for one thing/
[04:33] <xtknight> ah, i didn't know that
[04:33] <hwilde> and boot flag
[04:35] <arooni> IntuitiveNipple: would ah ok
[04:35] <arooni> DanaG: how do i do that
[04:36] <arooni> hwilde: how would i do that
[04:36] <DanaG> 'active' and 'the boot flag' are the same thing, I believe.
[04:36] <hwilde> boot into the live cd, run gparted or qtparted, set the flag
[04:40] <xtknight> or just use "makeactive" w/ grub
[05:03] <pwnguin> hmm. has anyone tested totem inihibiting dpmi in gutsy?
[05:04] <RAOF> dpmi?
[05:04] <RAOF> You mean, screensaver & suspend type stuff?
[05:04] <pwnguin> probably the wrong acronym
[05:04] <pwnguin> yes
[05:04] <pwnguin> dpms
[05:05] <RAOF> I'm pretty sure it works for me.  Maybe it's an Xgl issue?  That's what it was on Feisty, iirc :)
[05:08] <pwnguin> i dont think im using xgl
[05:08] <pwnguin> i do have beryl running under nvidia
[05:09] <pwnguin> but mplayer doesnt have the problem
[05:32] <shirish> hi all, does anybody have had issues installing cupsys
[05:32] <shirish> installing/upgrading cupsys
[05:33] <shirish> also issues while upgrading apt, aptitude and its brethen
[05:33] <pwnguin> i think someone else had that problem
[05:34] <shirish> pwnguin: I made a bug about it Bug #130014
[05:34] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 130014 in cupsys "[Gutsy]  Unable to upgrade or reinstall cupsys after trying to upgrade" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/130014
[05:34] <pwnguin> i dont actually own a printer, though
[05:35] <shirish> pwnguin: same here, don't have a printer atm, but that doesn't mean I can't install the printer package
[05:35] <shirish> :)
[05:35] <shirish> pwnguin: btw have u seen this while updating/upgrading http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/32878/
[05:36] <shirish> that's about apt, aptitude stuff not updating-upgrading right
[05:37] <pwnguin> im not sure how stuff hits ftps
[05:37] <pwnguin> but it may be the case that there's some version depenenices that aren't resolved currently
[05:37] <pwnguin> id say wait a few hours and see if it changes
[05:38] <shirish> pwnguin: thought the same too, but this has now been un-resolved for over a day now :(
[05:38] <shirish> ubotu ftbs
[05:38] <ubotu> ftbs is an Acronym for Failed To Build from Source
[05:38] <shirish> ubotu ftps
[05:38] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ftps - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:39] <shirish> pwnguin: whats ftps
[05:39] <shirish> failed to package from source?
[05:41] <LaserJock> anybody had any problem with shutting down in gutsy
[05:41] <LaserJock> with it trying to relogin right before it shuts down
[05:41] <RAOF> You mean it respawns GDM?  Yeah, had that for ages.
[05:42] <RAOF> LaserJock: Or do you mean the "hang on logout" problem? :)
[05:42] <LaserJock> really? it's kind of not a great thing
[05:42] <LaserJock> no, it respawns gdm and logs me back in
[05:42] <RAOF> Woah.  Ok, that's *not* what I see!
[05:42] <LaserJock> then it kills my session so I get a bunch of applet crashes when I start up again
[05:43] <RAOF> Wooo!
[05:43] <LaserJock> I just thought of something
[05:43] <LaserJock> I have it set to automatically log me in on startup
[05:43] <LaserJock> it must be doing that
[05:43] <LaserJock> but it shouldn't :/
[05:43] <RAOF> Ah.  Yeah.
[05:44] <RAOF> It doesn't always respawn gdm for me, maybe there's a race somewhere?
[05:44] <LaserJock> it's a bugger whatever it is
[05:44] <RAOF> Yeah.
[05:44] <RAOF> Probably another part of the merge gdm from debian crazieness.
[05:45] <LaserJock> heh, you wouldn't happen to know how to get out of fullscreen in VMware would you?
[05:45] <LaserJock> :-)
[05:45] <RAOF> No, I run AMD64 :P
[06:07] <marginoferror> Anyone know what compiz.real does and why it might be crashing?
[06:07] <RAOF> marginoferror: compiz.real is the compiz binary (compiz is a wrapper script).  Any number of reasons, sadly.
[06:15] <marginoferror> RAOF: The first login of every boot hangs (black screen with functional cursor and no response) until I kill X
[06:15] <marginoferror> RAOF:  Usually, after restarting X and logging in, I get notification that compiz.real broke
[06:16] <marginoferror> RAOF: Do you think the two are related?
[06:17] <marginoferror> Hmm, I just got notice of an update to some compiz stuff.  Hope that fixes the crashing.
[06:17] <DanaG> I get that even without compiz.
[06:18] <DanaG> Except I see my GDM theme's background color.
[06:21] <marginoferror> Ah, yeah, actually, black is my background color
[06:21] <marginoferror> What, does that happen to everyone?
[06:21] <marginoferror> And, when you say without compiz, do you mean you don't even have compiz installed?  That certainly eliminates that theory.
[06:22] <marginoferror> By the way, I am using the restricted nVidia drivers - from what I'm reading in the bug reports that might be related
[06:35] <DanaG> Oh, I mean, if I disable compiz autostarting.
[06:35] <DanaG> I still have it installed.
[06:35] <DanaG> And I'm using nvidia.
[06:40] <marginoferror> I wish I could narrow down the hang on first login problem
[06:40] <marginoferror> But I don't even know what package is doing it
[06:41] <marginoferror> Anyway, I just dl/ed an update to compiz so maybe at least that will stop happening
[07:04] <stmiller> anyone been using Dolphin? I like it. What are your thoughts
[08:58] <keram`> ls
[12:15] <paolo_>  Hi all, I'm facing a problem in upgrading to gutsy, I'm getting the following errore message: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/32899/.  Any ideas?
[12:17] <pvandewyngaerde> paolo_: make sure dbus is running
[12:17] <paolo_> pvandewyngaerde: how can I do that?
[12:18] <paolo_> but I think the problem is in the missing authentication
[12:19] <paolo_> dbus is running
[12:20] <pvandewyngaerde> warning: could not initiate dbus < do you still get this ?
[12:21] <paolo_> yes, I still get that
[12:21] <paolo_> but the GUI, when it failes to upgrade, reports the following:
[12:22] <paolo_> Failed to fetch http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu/dists/gutsy/commercial/binary-i386/Packages.gz 404 Not Found
[12:24] <pvandewyngaerde> what are you running now ?
[12:25] <paolo_> feisty
[12:26] <Hobbsee> gutsy commercial doesnt exist yet
[12:27] <paolo_> Right.
[12:27] <paolo_> I remove the feisty commercial line from sources.list
[12:29] <paolo_> it works, thanks a lot
[12:30] <xstasi> ehr
[12:31] <xstasi> what is the "commercial" branch?
[12:31] <Hobbsee> !commercial
[12:31] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about commercial - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:36] <pvandewyngaerde> Do not use development versions of Ubuntu on production systems
[02:16] <IdleOne> good morning folks
[02:16] <coNP> good afternoon, IdleOne :)
[02:17] <IdleOne> !info apparmor
[02:17] <ubotu> apparmor: User-space parser utility for AppArmor. In component main, is standard. Version 2.0.1+510.dfsg-0ubuntu24 (gutsy), package size 291 kB, installed size 1668 kB
[02:17] <IdleOne> hello coNP how is you this fine day?
[02:18] <coNP> It is very hot here, showing no sign of main being frozen :)
[02:21] <IdleOne> right now it is Temp: 75.9F/24C
[02:21] <IdleOne> here in the Philla area
[02:49] <IdleOne> !info sbackup
[02:49] <ubotu> sbackup: Simple Backup Suite for desktop use. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.10.4 (gutsy), package size 65 kB, installed size 512 kB
[03:00] <IdleOne> seems sbackup is the most Newbie/User freindly backup utility for Ubuntu
[03:00] <IdleOne> I like it
[03:35] <IdleOne> where would i request a feature to be added to a package?
[03:39] <stdin> IdleOne: make a wish bug report
[03:39] <coNP> IdleOne: maybe look for an upstream bug tracker
[03:40] <IdleOne> stdin, cant seem to find where exactly on launchpad to file this wishlist bug :/
[03:41] <stdin> IdleOne: what package?
[03:41] <IdleOne> sbackup
[03:41] <happytiger> Openoffice has been  broken in gutsy for nearly 3 weeks now anybody nows why and status on this?
[03:42] <stdin> IdleOne: probably in https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/sbackup
[03:42] <IdleOne> ty will look
[03:44] <Hobbsee> happytiger: it's being fixed
[03:45] <happytiger> Hehe fresh gutsy tribe 3 install and 317 mb of updates waiting in the muncher :-)
[03:45] <happytiger> Go guty!
[03:45] <Hobbsee> "fresh"?
[03:45] <Hobbsee> define fresh?
[03:45] <Hobbsee> t3 is two weeks out of date
[03:45] <happytiger> Hobbsee: Oki yeah must have been a biggy  that one
[03:46] <Hobbsee> or 3
[03:46] <happytiger> hehe yup kinda fresh
[03:46] <happytiger> Life in the fast lane :-)
[03:49] <IdleOne> stdin, I submited a bug report and put wishlist in the title. is that ok or is there a different/better way of doing it?
[03:49] <IdleOne> bug 130856
[03:49] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 130856 in sbackup "( wishlist )sbackup time to completion??" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/130856
[03:49] <coNP> IdleOne: depends what is upstream for sbackup
[03:50] <stdin> IdleOne: someone will chance it to a wish status when they look at it
[03:50] <IdleOne> coNP, I dont understand what upstream is can you explain?
[03:50] <Hobbsee> happytiger: the machine works, x works, what more do you want?
[03:51] <IdleOne> yeah my wish got hit with a stick
[03:51] <IdleOne> :/
[03:52] <coNP> IdleOne: sorry. So upstream generally means those, who maintain and develop a specific application.
[03:52] <IdleOne> ty coNP and ty Hobbsee
[03:52] <coNP> There is an upstream contact for this bug I hope he will answer this eventually
[03:53] <IdleOne> believe the package was made by UbuntuGeek and maintained by him not certain though
[03:54] <IdleOne> I might be wrong
[03:54] <coNP> Its homepage says that you are welcome to report bugs / feature requests at Ubuntu's LP.
[03:54] <coNP> So hopefully he will answer this as well.
[03:55] <leperkhanz> Anyone got an alarm clock that will work in Gutsy?
[03:56] <coNP> leperkhanz: cron? :)
[03:56] <IdleOne> would be nice if they do coNP
[03:56] <leperkhanz> tnx... me is lookin'
[03:57] <leperkhanz> ummm that looks vastly beyond me.
[03:57] <mendred> leperkhanz: kalarm
[03:57] <mendred> its for kde though
[03:57] <mendred> but kept me awake in college :)
[03:57] <leperkhanz> I tried kalarm, no audio, dclock does like one weak ass beep then disappears.
[03:58] <mendred> strange
[03:58] <mendred> umm u on gnome or kde?
[03:58] <leperkhanz> then I found some really tough to implement scripts that would read RSS aloud, but without a gui I'm lost on that.
[03:58] <leperkhanz> gnome.
[03:58] <mendred> hmmm
[03:59] <leperkhanz> gdebi is broken, so the deb of blue clock at getdeb.net isn't going to install
[04:00] <leperkhanz> And I found gnome alarm clock on source forge, but it doesn't exist anywhere else apparently, and there was no download for it anyway, and if there had been, it wouldn't have mattered since gdebi is broken.
[04:00] <leperkhanz> And I have to get up tomorrow, and my cell phone isn't loud enough to wake me up, soo....
[04:02] <leperkhanz> wait, there are updates to gdebi!!!
[04:02] <leperkhanz> w00t!
[04:03] <mendred> happytiger: installing the openoffice.org-gnome package resolves the problem for now..openoffice starts...
[04:04] <mendred> leperkhanz: make sure u install ardour 2.0.5 the earlier versions break with gtk2 2.11
[04:04] <mendred> eh?
[04:04] <leperkhanz> yeah, I know, but I couldn't install ANY .debs since gdebi has been broken all week.
[04:05] <leperkhanz> It just updated though... so here's to prayer....
[04:05] <leperkhanz> :)
[04:05] <mendred> good luck
[04:05] <IdleOne> sanduhr - An alarm clock designed as an hourglass
[04:05] <IdleOne> in repos
[04:05] <IdleOne> there are many others you can try also
[04:05] <leperkhanz> hmmm...I'll try that one if blue clock won't work. :D
[04:05] <IdleOne> apt-cache search alarm clock
[04:06] <leperkhanz> Yeah, did that.  Tried 4 of the likely suspects.
[04:06] <leperkhanz> not sanduhr yet. :)
[04:06] <mendred> is there anyway to search launchpad by a part of a bug number?
[04:07] <leperkhanz> hey, another thing I noticed, when I open an animated .gif, it doesn't automatically animate.  Is that planned to change?
[04:07] <leperkhanz> (I've been opening them in Firefox instead)
[04:07] <leperkhanz> Oh, and when is Thunderbird going to replace Evolution by default?
[04:08] <IdleOne> mendred, probably not but you can search the bugs that contain certain words
[04:09] <leperkhanz> YAY! gdebi is fixed!!!
[04:09] <leperkhanz> woo hoo!!!
[04:10] <mendred> oh never mind i found the number...
[04:10] <mendred> happytiger: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openoffice.org2/+bug/127944
[04:10] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 127944 in openoffice.org "[gutsy] Open Office applications don't start " [High,Confirmed] 
[04:10] <tmske> does someone know if there is a workaround for audacity not starting -> bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/audacity/+bug/128542
[04:11] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 128542 in audacity "Gutsy: audacity segfaults on start" [High,Confirmed] 
[04:11] <leperkhanz> meh.... Now there is no BlueClock shortcut in the menu... *sigh*
[04:13] <mendred> tmske: tell me something did it stop working after the update from gtk2 2.10 to gtk2 2.11
[04:13] <tmske> mendred: I install gutsy tribe3 from scratch and it has never worked since I installed it
[04:13] <bram_new> I'm having trouble with getting kde 4 beta 1 to run, can I bother someone with a question?
[04:15] <mendred> tmske: well i would suggest that u use ardour 2.0.5 for the time being..(earlier versions also crash on gutsy-gtk version problem)
[04:16] <mendred> tmske: you would probably have to catch hold of the audacity devs and ask them to patch it for gtk 2.11..i am pretty sure when i looked at the bug report that this is also gtk related..
[04:16] <mendred> tmske: lousy workaround i know...sorry..
[04:16] <leperkhan1> soz... am back.  Had to reboot cable modem.  DAMNED COX!
[04:17] <leperkhan1> Anyone know the solution for: Dependency is not satisfiable: libflac7
[04:17] <leperkhan1> ?
[04:18] <leperkhan1> Wait, found it: http://packages.ubuntu.com/cgi-bin/download.pl?arch=amd64&file=pool%2Fmain%2Ff%2Fflac%2Flibflac7_1.1.2-5ubuntu2_amd64.deb&md5sum=f1c7af4d76ed2110b75a62f53953449d&arch=amd64&type=main
[04:19] <mendred> wait wait wait
[04:19] <mendred> why are u downloading all the packages
[04:19] <leperkhan1> Because the latest Ardour is not in the repos, and getdeb.net is a cinch. :D
[04:20] <mendred> leperkhan1: on a console just type sudo apt-get install libflac7
[04:20] <leperkhan1> um yeah, I'm going to officially name myself a GUI guy.
[04:20] <leperkhan1> like most of the world... :D
[04:20] <mendred> lol: open synaptic then
[04:20] <mendred> and search for libflac7 and
[04:20] <mendred> select it and install it
[04:21] <tmske> mendred: well it's beter than nothing :-)
[04:21] <leperkhan1> googled a .deb right up already and installed it. :D
[04:22] <leperkhan1> It's trying to get me to deprecate from ardour 2.0.5-1~getdeb1 to 2.0.4-1ubuntu1
[04:22] <leperkhan1> But that's an earlier version, right?
[04:22] <mendred> ?
[04:22] <mendred> yes and it wont work
[04:22] <mendred> been there tried that
[04:22] <leperkhan1> Why would update manager LIE to me?
[04:22] <Hobbsee> libflac7 no longer exists.
[04:22] <mendred> its not
[04:22] <mendred> thats why it says deprecate
[04:23] <leperkhan1> No, *I* said deprecate.
[04:23] <leperkhan1> It said "You can install 1 update"
[04:23] <mendred> Hobbsee: libflac7 - Free Lossless Audio Codec - runtime C library
[04:23] <mendred> it lands up in the cache search
[04:23] <Hobbsee> sarah@LongPointyStick:~$ madison libflac7
[04:23] <leperkhan1> Hobbsee: Well, I needed it to install Ardour!
[04:23] <Hobbsee> sarah@LongPointyStick:~$
[04:23] <mendred> its a dummy?
[04:23] <Hobbsee> mendred: it's been removed.
[04:23] <mendred> brilliant
[04:24] <Hobbsee> leperkhan1: it now uses libflac8.
[04:24] <Hobbsee> but ardour is broken
[04:24] <leperkhan1> hmmm.
[04:24] <mendred> not anymore it isnt
[04:24] <Hobbsee> mendred: hm?
[04:24] <mendred> 2.0.5 fixes the problem
[04:24] <mendred> there was a bug
[04:24] <mendred> relating to gtk 2.11
[04:25] <Hobbsee> current ardour doesnt even build
[04:25] <leperkhan1> It's working for me.
[04:25] <mendred> yep it wont
[04:25] <mendred> cause libgtkmm
[04:25] <mendred> libs
[04:25] <leperkhan1> AFTER I installed a .deb of libflac7. :D
[04:25] <mendred> in the package
[04:25] <mendred> still depend on
[04:25] <mendred> gtk 2.10
[04:25] <mendred> something about a stupid tooltip thingy variable
[04:26] <mendred> so u need to build it against 2.10
[04:26] <mendred> and then install it on 2.11
[04:26] <mendred> its a royal pain
[04:26] <Hobbsee> sounds crackful
[04:26] <mendred> oh believe me it is
[04:26] <mendred> i wound up begging on my knees for a  fix
[04:27] <mendred> but they have a point
[04:27] <mendred> strictly speaking 2.11 is not an official release
[04:27] <mendred> so they are not in any hurry to patch it
[04:27] <leperkhan1> How do I make a drive not read only again?
[04:27] <leperkhan1> gparted?
[04:27] <Hobbsee> mendred: why not 2.12?
[04:27] <mendred> ummm 2.12 is not released right
[04:27] <mendred> 2.11 is the development release
[04:28] <Hobbsee> sarah@LongPointyStick:~$ madison gtkmm2.0
[04:28] <Hobbsee>   gtkmm2.0 | 2.2.12-2ubuntu1 | http://mirror.pacific.net.au gutsy/universe Sources
[04:28] <Hobbsee>   gtkmm2.0 | 2.2.12-2ubuntu1 | http://archive.ubuntu.com gutsy/universe Sources
[04:28] <mendred> which will become 2.12
[04:28] <Hobbsee> assuming you're meaning that
[04:30] <mendred> hobbsee not sure f gtkmm versions are the same as libgtk2 versions
[04:30] <mendred> the last stable release of libgtk was 2.10
[04:31] <Hobbsee> Package: libgtkmm2.0-1c2a
[04:31] <Hobbsee> Source: gtkmm2.0
[04:31] <Hobbsee> i'm not great on gnome, but i suspect it is
[04:32] <mendred> well in any case..there is a version of gtkmm available for 2.11, the source that is..
[04:32] <mendred> but its just that ardour follows a policy of packaging all system libs (except for libgtk2) with its package...
[04:32] <leperkhan1> w00t.  BlueClock totally works.  I wish I could pick an mp3 though.  *sigh*
[04:33] <Hobbsee> mendred: oh, classy
[04:33] <mendred> u have the option of using the distros system libs.. with SYSLIB=1 but all hell breaks loose then..
[04:33] <leperkhan1> How do I change a read only disk again?
[04:33] <leperkhan1> In the gui?
[04:33] <mendred> well Hobbsee: they do have a point...some of these libs were really specialised i could find them only in fedoras Planet CCRM thingy
[04:34] <leperkhan1> Ardour is AWESOME.  I don't even like Protools anymore.
[04:34] <mendred> so they just saved people the trouble of compiling it and having to deal with different versions of those libs..
[04:34] <leperkhan1> Though I do miss some plugins.
[04:34] <leperkhan1> Exactly... Ardour JUST WORKS. :D
[04:35] <mendred> leperkhan1: i could tell u that u can use VST in ardour..but u would have to compile it :(
[04:35] <mendred> cause steinberg's license doesnt allow redistribution of the VST libs
[04:35] <leperkhan1> Right.  But it works well enough as it is. :)
[04:35] <tmske> installing ardour 2.0.5 doesn't work with libflac8?
[04:38] <leperkhan1> I don't see a way in gparted to make that drive NOT read only.
[04:39] <leperkhan1> I already tried alt+F2 and gksudo nautilus.
[04:39] <Hobbsee> leperkhan1: /etc/fstab usually
[04:39] <leperkhan1> I type that in the console?
[04:39] <leperkhan1> command not found.
[04:41] <Hobbsee> leperkhan1: it's a file.  edit it in your text editor of choice
[04:41] <leperkhan1> Oh!
[04:43] <leperkhan1> does that then require a restart x?
[04:43] <leperkhan1> or full reboot?
[04:44] <Hobbsee> leperkhan1: sudo umount -a && sudo mount -a
[04:44] <Hobbsee> leperkhan1: as it has nothing to do with X, restarting X will nto help
[04:44] <leperkhan1> Ah.
[04:45] <leperkhan1> well, attempting to unmount in gparted killed it.
[04:45] <leperkhan1> Apport opened with a quickness.
[04:46] <leperkhan1> You see, I'm the early adopter in my family/friends, so I really need GUI ways to do things so that I can tell them what to do quickly over the phone.
[04:46] <leperkhan1> and NOBODY is comfortable with command lines.
[04:46] <leperkhan1> My GUI preference isn't just for me, there's a point to it.
[04:46] <mendred> tmske: sorry was away...are u saying that ardour is not working with libflac8?
[04:49] <leperkhan1> Though those console commands DID in fact work, whereas gparted crashed.
[04:49] <leperkhan1> *sigh*  That's just not going to help me over the phone with grandpa.
[04:49] <tmske> mendred: I was asking that, because I tried to install ardour 2.0.5 from getdeb and it said it needed libflac7
[04:50] <Hobbsee> leperkhan1: the grandpa-friendly command would have been "reboot your machine"
[04:50] <leperkhan1> Ah...
[04:50] <Hobbsee> leperkhan1: but seeing as you're in the development channel, you're expected to not fall over with a command line.
[04:50] <leperkhan1> Good, I just need to know both ways. :D
[04:51] <leperkhan1> I don't hate them, but I hate trying to use them for grandpa.
[04:51] <leperkhan1> over the phone.
[04:51] <Hobbsee> both are evil
[04:51] <mendred> tmske: i guess that package has a dependency then...
[04:52] <tmske> leperkhan1: what do you need to explain?
[04:52] <leperkhan1> Nothing atm.
[04:52] <leperkhan1> and in the future a "reboot" will suffice. :D
[04:53] <mendred> tmske: what arch: ?
[04:53] <Hobbsee> leperkhan1: if you're looking for hand-holding help, you're in the wrong channel...
[04:53] <mendred> tmske: http://packages.ubuntu.com/feisty/libs/libflac7
[04:53] <tmske> mendred: gutsy i386
[04:53] <leperkhan1> Right, but letting me know how to hook up grandpa with a "reboot" is good.
[04:53] <mendred> ok download the i386 one and install it..
[04:53] <mendred> considering mine is still installed since the feisty upgrade...
[04:54] <mendred> ad leperkhan1s install worked
[04:54] <mendred> u shouldnt have any probs after that
[04:54] <tmske> mendred: ok thanks, I'll try
[04:54] <mendred> Hey Hobbsee guess what libgtk 2.11 is in the experimental repo of Debian
[04:54] <mendred> unstable still uses 2.10
[04:55] <IdleOne> Hobbsee, seveas has a cs script for xchat do you know where I can get it?
[04:55] <Hobbsee> IdleOne: from google.
[04:55] <IdleOne> whats it called?
[04:55] <IdleOne> cant remember
[04:56] <Hobbsee> i have no idea
[04:56] <Hobbsee> i'd google for seveas ban script xchat, and see what you come up with
[04:58] <Amaranth> google for chanserv.py :)
[04:58] <mendred> Hobbsee: 2.11 also broke nspluginviewer as a result konq freezes when it loads flash (nspluginviewer just hangs with 100% cpu)
[04:58] <IdleOne> Amaranth, ty got it
[04:58] <Hobbsee> mendred: yeah, that's known
[04:59] <tmske> mendred: even after installing libflac7, ardour still complains about it
[04:59] <Amaranth> 2.11 what?
[04:59] <Amaranth> gtk+?
[04:59] <mendred> yeahhttp://packages.ubuntu.com/feisty/libs/libflac7
[04:59] <mendred> oops
[04:59] <mendred> yep
[04:59] <mendred> it was marked as a duplicate of the openoffice bug..
[04:59] <Amaranth> oh, you mean nspluginviewer was using a private API in gtk+ that it shouldn't be? :)
[04:59] <mendred> i have no idea
[05:00] <mendred> all i know is
[05:00] <mendred> when i downgraded to 2.10
[05:00] <mendred> it worked
[05:00] <mendred> :)
[05:00] <mendred> and then back to 2.11
[05:00] <mendred> it hung
[05:00] <mendred> i think it has to do with flashplayer it self
[05:00] <mendred> after all isnt nspluginviewer just a wrapper
[05:01] <mendred> but strangely flash works on firefox
[05:02] <mendred> tmske: can u paste the error message in pastebin?
[05:03] <tmske> mendred: I just got it working using dpkg instead of gdebi, looks like gdebi didn't install libflac7 correctly
[05:03] <mendred> ah cool
[05:03] <mendred> so ardour now runs?
[05:03] <j3g> i installed gutsy,b ut i need to change my Timezone using tzconfig... ubuntu says i must install libc6 to have tzconfig... but apt-get install libc6 says its installed and it is the latest
[05:04] <tmske> mendred: now ardour runs, now I need to learn to use it :-)
[05:05] <mendred> ohoh
[05:05] <mendred> tmske: i take it ur not familiar with protools?
[05:05] <tmske> mendred: no
[05:06] <mendred> tmske: hmmm
[05:06] <mendred> tmske: http://www.ardour.org/files/manual/index.html
[05:07] <tmske> mendred: thanks!
[05:07] <IdleOne> hmmm the chanserv.py I found is full of syntax errors :/
[05:08] <mendred> tmske: http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/7796
[05:08] <mendred> tmske: read the second one first
[05:08] <tmske> mendred: ok, thank you very much for the help
[05:09] <mendred> tmske: welcome..and if u like ardour let the devs know about it :)
[05:11] <tmske> mendred: Ok, I'll do that
[05:29] <tmske> mendred: do you know if I can download the manual as a pdf?
[05:30] <mendred> hmm never tried that
[05:30] <mendred> ask in #ardour
[05:32] <tmske> mendred: ok
[05:49] <cblack0> hey all
[05:49] <cblack0> I have an odd issue with getting the latest firefox update on my system that is kind of dual gutsy and feisty
[05:50] <cblack0> I have gutsy main in my sources.list and in my apt preferences I have deprioritized gutzy over feisty by pinning release a=gutsy to 600 and feisty to 700
[05:50] <Hobbsee> ...why?
[05:50] <coNP> And what is the problem? ::)
[05:50] <coNP> Except for the setup? :)
[05:51] <IdleOne> cblack0, well there in lies your problem I would guess. either run gutsy or feisty not both mixed
[05:52] <IdleOne> is there an app that will put all running applications on the panel when minimised?
[05:52] <Hobbsee> IdleOne: there was one, but i've no idea if it was ever packaged
[05:52] <IdleOne> I hate having all these tabs in my face
[05:52] <Hobbsee> and i dont remember what it was called
[05:53] <IdleOne> i'll search and let you know if I find anything
[05:56] <hwilde> hey I want to download some packages and put them on a usb drive for a computer that doesn't have internet.   how can I download them, and how can I install with apt on the other machiine?
[05:56] <Hobbsee> hwilde: apt-on-cd is quite good for that
[05:58] <cblack0> the reason I do the gutsy/feisty mix is because these are devel workstations that need to be stable, yet I need some of the newer pacakges from gutsy
[05:59] <cblack0> I read a bunch of stuff on doing this and thought I had it right using apt pinning, but apparently not
[05:59] <cblack0> so I'm not mixing just to be stupid or a pain, I really just want ant 1.7.0 on feisty :)
[05:59] <cblack0> is there a better way to do this?
[06:00] <Hobbsee> cblack0: that's even more crackful than just running gutsy
[06:00] <cblack0> Hobbsee, so what is the preferred way to get the newer ant package from gutsy onto a feisty machine?
[06:01] <Hobbsee> cblack0: backport it
[06:01] <cblack0> and if it is so bad, why are there guides describing apt pinning at all?
[06:01] <Hobbsee> cblack0: well, where the potential is for it to break more
[06:01] <hwilde> Hobbsee, some of the stuff I installed is in /var/cache/apt/archives but some things are not (openssh-server) ?
[06:01] <Hobbsee> cblack0: because it's useful in some circumstances
[06:02] <cblack0> so... I should make my own repo and rebuild the gutsy ant and put it in my own local repo, is that the general consensus on how to do this?
[06:03] <Hobbsee> no.  just create the deb, and install that with dpkg.
[06:03] <Hobbsee> no need for a repo
[06:05] <cblack0> k, but I need this to be managed across several machines and I'd like to just update their apt configs and have apt take care of managing this
[06:13] <tatters> I am getting "version upgrade" button appearing in adept manager but when i use, it reports no connection , is this a feature not enabled yet ?
[06:23] <tatters> !looking glass
[06:23] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about looking glass - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:24] <tatters> !lg3d
[06:24] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about lg3d - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:42] <AyoTechnology> howto install my microsoft bluetooth keyboard??
[06:47] <AyoTechnology> please help
[06:47] <Hobbsee> AyoTechnology: if you're a newbie, you shouldnt be running gutsy.
[06:47] <Kamijo> Hi there I'm running Gutsy and have problems with OpenOffice. It refueses to start. Only the splash screen is shown. I've heard that it's because of a bug. Does anyone of you know any way to go around the problem?
[06:48] <Hobbsee> Kamijo: wait for a few more hours
[06:48] <Kamijo> Hobbsee: So there is a solution on the way?
[06:48] <Hobbsee> Kamijo: yes
[06:48] <Kamijo> Hobbsee: Thats realy good news!
[06:48] <Hobbsee> Kamijo: (do you really think there'd be a tribe release without a working office suite?)
[06:49] <Kamijo> Hobbsee: No not realy but one could never know for sure :)
[06:50] <AyoTechnology> but I just want to type with my keyboard, please help me installing
[06:51] <Kamijo> Hobbsee: Ofcourse I knew there were a solution on it's way. I was affraid that it could take more time. But a few hours is realy great
[07:04] <AyoTechnology> can't you help me :(??
[07:13] <Xsss4hell> which apps do I need for bluetooth hardware
[07:14] <rjek> Do you think changing your nick will make us more likely to know the answer? :)
[07:15] <Xsss4hell> dude I just use my original nick
[07:15] <Xsss4hell> the other nick wasn't registered
[07:37] <Xsss4hell> beryl or compiz?
[07:38] <rjek> metacity.
[07:39] <Xsss4hell> oldscool^^
[07:40] <rjek> I prefer "functional and tasteful", personally.
[07:41] <Xsss4hell> metacity is a windows manager and not an effects library as beryl or compiz....
[07:42] <crdlb> those are window managers too
[07:42] <Xsss4hell> oh true
[07:43] <Xsss4hell> aren't you jelous at apple? they have zfs we've not!
[07:45] <rjek> I seem to recall they don't.  At least, not officially.
[07:45] <rjek> ZFS, after all, is not something that's suddenly going to make Solaris or Mac OS X tolerable.
[07:45] <Xsss4hell> solaris is very good OS
[07:46] <Xsss4hell> the only thing that bugs me is that it has no good performance on x86
[07:46] <Xsss4hell> and it looks awfull
[07:46] <rjek> It has no good performance on any CPU.
[07:47] <rjek> And it has a userland stuck in the 70s, and it's bad for then, too
[07:47] <Xsss4hell> but it`s intended for servers anyway, so they'll need to create a desktop version to make real comparison
[07:47] <rjek> You mean, say, like the desktop version there is?
[07:47] <Xsss4hell> rjek that may be true
[08:01] <genii> Is there a driver module changelog or such?
[08:48] <Q-FUNK> have there been reports of the new X blanking LCD screens on laptops in a way that cannot be recovered by pressing any key or moving the mouse?
[09:14] <j3g> how to install multimedia codecs on gutsy? it doesn't seem to behave like feisty did
[09:16] <gnomefreak> j3g: iirc you have to install them with apt atm gnome-apt-install is broken
[09:17] <j3g> gnomefreak: no problem with that... but what is the package name?
[09:18] <gnomefreak> j3g: of what?
[09:18] <gnomefreak> what codec
[09:20] <gnomefreak> !restricted | j3g please read this page to figure out what codecs you need to do what with
[09:20] <ubotu> j3g please read this page to figure out what codecs you need to do what with: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[09:21] <j3g> thx gnomefreak
[09:21] <gnomefreak> yw
[09:23] <gnomefreak> j3g: please do your updates and tell me if that fixes it for you
[09:24] <gnomefreak> i doubt it but please make sure
[09:40] <j3g> gnomefreak: got mostly everything working
[09:40] <gnomefreak> does it install the codecs for you when you go to site? without installing them from apt
[09:40] <gnomefreak> after doing your updates
[09:41] <j3g> no
[09:41] <j3g> i did everything from apt
[09:41] <j3g> clicking a mp3 file to open on movieplayer, tried to install the codec
[09:41] <j3g> but showed a blank list
[09:41] <j3g> opening amarok
[09:41] <j3g> crashed ... but i could see the window " no mp3 support installed"
[09:41] <j3g> which I suppose would allow me to "click here to install required files" or something similar
[09:42] <gnomefreak> k
[09:42] <j3g> but it locked up .. had to terminate to get the window away
[09:42] <j3g> but now amarok is playing fine...
[09:43] <gnomefreak> ill be talking to the gnome-app-install maintainer in morning about this issue i just needed to make sure you were fully up to date with newest app-install-data to make sure we are not doubling our work
[09:43] <j3g> so far i've had 3 issues with gutsy... one is tzconfig (i can't find a way to install it), 2 is that azureus crashes badly if you try to open a torrent for details (sun 1.6 jvm) ... and mp3 support was the third issue
[09:45] <j3g> my fixes: manually installing the mp3 support, using ktorrent in the meantime, and copying a tzconfig from a feisty install.. :) i could also have linked /etc/localtime but i wanted to use tzconfig
[09:46] <j3g> another funny thing is that the update manager showed me that a new distro was available... but it could not get the announcement
[09:47] <gnomefreak> j3g: because you are mixing packages
[09:47] <gnomefreak> thats not a good idea
[09:47] <j3g> yes i did that by mistake while installing medibuntu repository
[09:48] <j3g> but i've since edited out the fiel
[09:48] <j3g> file
[09:52] <j3g> gnomefreak: the commercial repository is not yet ready for gutsy, right?
[09:52] <gnomefreak> j3g: dont know i dont maintain it but im gonna say im 95% sure no not until release
[09:53] <j3g> gnomefreak: ok... i'll do a manual install for vmware server
[09:53] <j3g> i need the client :)
[10:12] <arpu> hi the new compiz package brings me no nvidea hardware :-(  i have a intel card :D
[10:17] <gnomefreak> nvidia and why would it bring you anything nvidia if you dont have that card. and it shouldnt bring you hardware at all
[10:18] <gnomefreak> arpu: can you please try to rephrase that so it makes sense please or ask in #ubuntu-whateverlanguageyouspeaknatively example if italian join #ubuntu-it
[10:19] <gnomefreak> arpu: might try in #ubuntu-effects also
[10:22] <PirateHead> What sort of configuration options are available for Gutsy's 3d desktop effects?
[10:23] <Amaranth> PirateHead: _tons_
[10:23] <Amaranth> install compizconfig-settings-manager
[10:23] <Amaranth> you'll get lost
[10:23] <rjek> :)
[10:23] <crdlb> hehe
[10:24] <PirateHead> can I do that on Feisty, or do I have to wait until Gutsy comes out?
[10:24] <crdlb> Amaranth has a repository of those packages backported to feisty
[10:24] <crdlb> !howto-#ubuntu-effects
[10:24] <ubotu> To install Xgl/AIGLX and Compiz use: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager
[10:24] <PirateHead> is it in feisty-backports, or in a different repo entirely?
[10:25] <crdlb> scroll down a bit on that guide
[10:25] <Amaranth> PirateHead: different repo
[10:26] <PirateHead> Amaranth: link please? :-)
[10:26] <Amaranth> ubotu just gave it to you
[10:27] <PirateHead> I must be blind - I don't see a repo link on that wiki page.
[10:27] <PirateHead> Which section is it in?
[10:27] <Amaranth> PirateHead: CompizFusion
[10:30] <PirateHead> alright, I see it now. ;-D
[10:33] <XiXaQ> hello. How do I install a theme globally?
[10:33] <XiXaQ> that is, make it available to all users. I tried to extract the theme file and place the resulting directory in /usr/share/themes, but that doesn't seem to do the trick?
[10:53] <DeepB> XiXaQ: try #ubuntu , no here
[10:54] <XiXaQ> I am using gutsy.
[10:55] <DeepB> congrats
[11:00] <XiXaQ> DeepB?
[11:01] <DeepB> XiXaQ: yes?
[11:01] <XiXaQ> no, I'm just confused. Isn't this the right place to ask questions about gutsy?
[11:02] <crdlb> XiXaQ, pastebin ls -l /usr/share/themes/DIR_YOU_EXTRACTED/*
[11:02] <jussi01> XiXaQ: are you on gnome or kde?
[11:03] <XiXaQ> gnome
[11:04] <XiXaQ> crdlb, http://rafb.net/p/hEHZbE20.html
[11:05] <crdlb> XiXaQ, you're looking in "Theme Details"?
[11:05] <crdlb> on gutsy: "Customize"
[11:08] <XiXaQ> it's available there.
[11:08] <XiXaQ> but not in the main themes view.
[11:20] <PirateHead> is Amaranth still here?
[11:21] <PirateHead> I installed Compiz Fusion and I'm not getting a desktop cube. There is a "front" and "back" of the desktop, but not a cube.
[11:21] <stdin> you have to enable it, in the settings
[11:21] <PirateHead> It's enabled.
[11:21] <bipolar> Can someone running gutsy download this openoffice doc and see if it still crashes oo.o?  http://longbros.com/test.ods
[11:22] <bipolar> it opens in the windows version (2.2.1), but consistantly crashes the version in feisty
[11:23] <XiXaQ> it opens.
[11:23] <XiXaQ> no chrash.
[11:23] <bipolar> hmmm... thank you
[11:25] <PirateHead> Amaranth: is there a setting for number of cube faces somewhere? It acts like there are only two faces that I can switch between.
[11:26] <Amaranth> general options, horizontal desktop size
[12:11] <slimz> hey guys, everytime i log in, my wireless auto connects, but then asks for password, then when it connects, it asks me to make a default keyring password everytime, if i take too long typing in a keyring password, my wireless disconnects
[12:12] <slimz> i checked my keyring, it doesnt exist
[12:21] <SeveredCross> Is NetworkManager broken in the latest round of updates or is it just my vmware?
[12:22] <SeveredCross> (Note: Everything was fine while VMware was installed until I installed a round of updates yesterday that included some changes to NetworkManager)
[12:23] <GuyFromHell> is there any way to find what package owns a specific file, lets say, /usr/lib32/dri/r300_dri.so