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| gerr2 | morning all | 12:02 |
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| gerr2 | we've changed the front page for a day - www.ubuntu.com | 12:03 |
| elkbuntu | excellent. i wish they'd hurry and expand it to oceania so the 'nobody cares about australia' people can shush : | 12:05 |
| elkbuntu | gerr2, did you get my PM yesterday? | 12:05 |
| juliux | hey gerr2 | 12:12 |
| gerr2 | elkbuntu: great story about a start up using ubuntu and getting rid of red hat | 12:12 |
| juliux | gerr2, www.dell.de/ubuntu is not working | 12:13 |
| gerr2 | elkbuntu: did you see it? | 12:13 |
| elkbuntu | gerr2, not sure? | 12:13 |
| gerr2 | juliux: read the page: available from tomorrow | 12:13 |
| juliux | http://www.ubuntu.com/dell there stands 8th july | 12:13 |
| juliux | www.dell.de/ubuntu (available July 8th) | 12:13 |
| juliux | perhaps a bug;) | 12:14 |
| gerr2 | elkbuntu: <http://digg.com/linux_unix/Telco_dumps_Red_Hat_for_Ubuntu> | 12:14 |
| elkbuntu | gerr2, that looks familiar | 12:15 |
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| elkbuntu | yeah, i had heard that | 12:18 |
| gerr2 | juliux: :-/ i can't seem to edit that page either for some reason | 12:18 |
| gerr2 | this is a little frustrasting | 12:20 |
| gerr2 | elkbuntu: i got your | 12:21 |
| gerr2 | p | 12:21 |
| gerr2 | elkbuntu: i'll try that again. i got your PM yesterday | 12:21 |
| elkbuntu | cool, just wanted to be sure :) | 12:21 |
| gerr2 | juliux: i take it julius your position has not changed re: dusseldorf | 12:29 |
| juliux | gerr2, it has changed a little bit;) | 12:29 |
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| juliux | gerr2, i can go to the tv show | 12:30 |
| juliux | but somebody should sponsor my travel costs | 12:31 |
| gerr2 | ah!! ok. yes we will pay the travel costs | 12:33 |
| gerr2 | i'll mail you of line | 12:33 |
| juliux | ok | 12:33 |
| gerr2 | i'll PM you I mean . not sure how i would send a message offline :-[ | 12:34 |
| juliux | hehe | 12:34 |
| gerr2 | juliux: did you get my PM? | 12:40 |
| juliux | not yet | 12:41 |
| gerr2 | juliux: still nothing? this is a bit odd | 12:47 |
| juliux | gerr2, i have greylisting enabled | 12:47 |
| juliux | gerr2, are you sure you send it? i cann't see any mail in the log file from you | 12:48 |
| gerr2 | i did not send an email | 12:49 |
| gerr2 | i tried on irc | 12:49 |
| gerr2 | i don't have your email address | 12:49 |
| juliux | you have to register your nick on freenode | 12:50 |
| juliux | without that i cann't read your pm on irc | 12:50 |
| juliux | or you join #gerry ;) | 12:51 |
| gerr2 | juliux: can you just send me an email with your travel requirements julius? gerry dot carr at canonical dot com | 12:58 |
| juliux | yes | 12:58 |
| juliux | so you only need the cities? | 12:59 |
| juliux | where i start? | 12:59 |
| juliux | gerr2, take a look at http://www.opensourcefactory.com/cms/index.php?page=ubuntu_linux_7-04 there are no more ubuntu colors | 02:00 |
| jenda | juliux: you can also turn on umode +6 to be able to accept PMs from unreggeds | 02:09 |
| juliux | jenda, ahh ok | 02:09 |
| juliux | thxs | 02:09 |
| jenda | gerr2: but you should register ;) | 02:09 |
| jenda | and hello :) | 02:09 |
| juliux | jenda, did you know http://www.linux-onlineshop.de/product_info.php/info/p1332_PC-Sticker---powered-by-Ubuntu--verzerrt.html ;9 | 02:12 |
| jenda | juliux: your work? :) | 02:13 |
| juliux | no | 02:13 |
| jenda | they're still 3 times what mine cost ;) | 02:13 |
| juliux | that is one of the professional shops in germany | 02:13 |
| jenda | cool | 02:14 |
| juliux | he sells them for 25cent | 02:14 |
| jenda | I'm 100% sure they use it with commercial intent. | 02:14 |
| juliux | i know | 02:16 |
| jenda | gerr2: how does canonical deal with that? Did they ask and receive specific permission to do so? | 02:17 |
| jenda | Not to mention they are using the name "Ubuntu Linux", which is totally counterproductive to our branding policies :( | 02:19 |
| gerr2 | jenda: i thought i had registered | 02:42 |
| gerr2 | although i seem to be gerr2 these days | 02:42 |
| jenda | then try /nick <whateverthereggednickis> | 02:43 |
| jenda | (gerr2 isn't registered) | 02:44 |
| gerr2 | jenda: i don't think we have approved this - we would not approve Ubuntu Linux | 02:55 |
| jenda | indeed | 02:55 |
| jenda | gerr2: and if they were to sell it as 'Ubuntu', would you have approved it even if it was for-profit? | 02:55 |
| gerr2 | jenda: probably but i don't know anything about these guys | 03:06 |
| jenda | ok | 03:06 |
| jenda | gerr2: so, theoretically it would be possible to ask for such permission? | 03:07 |
| gerr2 | jenda: if they are a legitimate business and particularly, as they appear to be, promoting Linux then there is no conflict with them making a profit | 03:07 |
| jenda | gerr2: I meant, for example, if I or another community member did so. | 03:07 |
| elkbuntu | providing they're promoting the correct thing, as in Ubuntu, not Ubuntu Linux | 03:08 |
| gerr2 | jenda: permission to use the trademark? Mail trademarks@ubuntu.com and tell them what you are doing | 03:08 |
| gerr2 | jenda: and show them what you are doing | 03:08 |
| jenda | gerr2: oh, permission to use the trademark isn't the problem - but permission to use it and make a profit in the process is a different thing, innit? | 03:09 |
| jenda | (I mean, I've had them check every single thing I ever shipped) | 03:09 |
| gerr2 | jenda: it's a confusing area | 03:09 |
| jenda | The thing is, I'm now pulling out of the 'business', because I can't pay myself for the time I spend doing it. I had to get a job instead. | 03:09 |
| gerr2 | jenda: example 1 - comm member sells t shirts above costs and uses money made to attend events: fine | 03:10 |
| jenda | ok | 03:10 |
| jenda | that's pretty much what I intended. | 03:10 |
| elkbuntu | Even when I write about Ubuntu these days, I take specific care not to write Linux directly after Ubuntu. So rather than "the Ubuntu Linux distribution" i make sure i write "the distribution of Linux called Ubuntu" | 03:10 |
| jenda | I mean, I have about $500 here which I made using the stuff, and it'll be used for the Czech Loco, mostly. But I might continue doing the stuff if I could use the money to attend a UDS eventually. | 03:11 |
| gerr2 | jenda: someone we don't know uses trademarks to sell t-shirts for personal gain and contributes nothing to ubuntu or linux community? not good | 03:11 |
| jenda | mhm | 03:11 |
| elkbuntu | gerr2, that opinion varies from person to person. some would not care so long as the brand is getting out. i believe riched is one of that stance | 03:12 |
| jenda | gerr2: so, if I wanted to continue in the field, selling this stuff, in order to be able to afford a UDS later on, what would be the process? Ask trademarks for approval? | 03:12 |
| jenda | elkbuntu: the trademark policy is quite clear on that, however :( | 03:13 |
| gerr2 | elkbuntu: for commercial use you need our permission | 03:15 |
| gerr2 | elkbuntu: but that's not to say we won't give it. if it is legitimate we likely will | 03:16 |
| jenda | gerr2: so, what's the process of asking for the permission? | 03:16 |
| elkbuntu | i didnt read 'without asking permission' into the case, sorry | 03:16 |
| gerr2 | in principle we want people to make money out of ubuntu in order to sustain the project as long as they do it the right way | 03:17 |
| gerr2 | jenda: tell me what you want to do jenda? | 03:17 |
| elkbuntu | one could very easily argue that brand placement is a valid contribution too | 03:17 |
| jenda | gerr2: what I've been doing for ages :) | 03:17 |
| jenda | gerr2: I've been selling ubuntu stickers and posters to the community for bulk prices, with very little profit | 03:17 |
| jenda | with the proviso that I don't keep the profit. | 03:18 |
| jenda | gerr2: but I can no longer afford to do so. | 03:18 |
| jenda | gerr2: however, if I could keep part of the profit, I would very likely continue. | 03:18 |
| jenda | gerr2: I've already sent out some 14000 case badges, 800 posters and some 200 other stickers. | 03:19 |
| jenda | gerr2: here's a complete budget and other info on the 'project': https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MarketingTeam/DIYWebsite/Get/PriceListJenda?action=show&redirect=PriceListJenda#head-d52bd66652f2bbd8244cfe459cd68bed6460edcf | 03:20 |
| jenda | (note: most of the actual profits are generated from tips. the prices them selves are low-margin, or even negative-margin) | 03:21 |
| jenda | gerr2: and another point is that before the new trademark policy was in place, I frequently encouraged people to create Ubuntu swag to get the brand out there, even based the DIY marketing project around that, citing that they could make money doing so - as that would serve as a great incentive for locoteams in poorer countries, and a way for them to make money even for the locos, which is extremely difficult in poorer countries. | 03:25 |
| jenda | (so knowing how exactly it is possible to do the same now would also be good) | 03:25 |
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| gerr2 | jenda: i am aware of your activities | 03:41 |
| gerr2 | jenda: and i don't want them to stop | 03:42 |
| gerr2 | jenda: this sounds like a fairly big topic and i want to make the ground rules as clear to all as possible | 03:42 |
| gerr2 | jenda: how about a MEETING!!! | 03:43 |
| jenda | hehe | 03:43 |
| jenda | sounds good :) | 03:43 |
| jenda | My activities actually have stopped, pretty much, because of the job, but that should be just temporary. | 03:43 |
| gerr2 | gerr2: i'm serious; it feels to me that there has been a bit of a decline in the DIY marketing | 03:43 |
| gerr2 | gerr2: and we need to revive it. | 03:43 |
| gerr2 | gerr2: also i need someone to tell me how to register a nickname | 03:44 |
| gerr2 | that can be item 1 | 03:44 |
| jenda | hehe | 03:44 |
| jenda | you were talking to yourself there ;) | 03:44 |
| jenda | I can help you register the nickname. | 03:44 |
| jenda | As for DIY - I became very busy over the summer. I will pay it a lot of attention as soon as I finish my work, which _should_ be this weekend. | 03:45 |
| elkbuntu | we get jenda back? YAY! | 03:46 |
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| jenda | hehe | 03:46 |
| gerr2 | jenda: that was not a criticism - it's just that we need to spread it beyond your activities | 03:46 |
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| jenda | gerr2: oh, definitely | 03:46 |
| jenda | gerr2: I've always wanted that to happen | 03:46 |
| jenda | gerr2: in fact, I've tried persuading several people who showed interest to take over whichever part of swag production they were most interested in, but most people chickened out in the end :) | 03:47 |
| jenda | the only one who hasn't, so far, is juliux, and he started on his own. | 03:47 |
| gerr2 | well maybe we need to figure out a way for people to do it really easily and maybe even make some money ;) | 03:48 |
| jenda | mhm | 03:48 |
| jenda | I don't know how to make it easier for them, apart from offering the necessary digital material, and not obstructing their work :) | 03:49 |
| jenda | Of course, DIY was also intended to list people who offered swag, so as to give them a basic advertising. | 03:50 |
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| gerr2 | i don't know either - maybe we need to identify some people and encourage them . | 03:58 |
| gerr2 | anyway meeting? | 03:59 |
| gerr2 | how do we guarantee a good attendance? | 03:59 |
| elkbuntu | gerr2, figuring out who you're targetting, for a start | 04:00 |
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| jenda | gerr2: and then sending it out on teh mailing list, and prodding specific people individually :) | 04:02 |
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| gerr2 | juliux: you back online? | 04:28 |
| juliux | gerr2, yes | 04:29 |
| juliux | i am back from dentist | 04:29 |
| gerr2 | juliux: news on your tickets.. it's an early start fella | 04:29 |
| juliux | np | 04:30 |
| gerr2 | i'll fire them through - they'll be paid for you will just need to pick them up in hamburg | 04:30 |
| gerr2 | elkbuntu: i don't know who to target | 04:31 |
| juliux | gerr2, cool | 04:32 |
| juliux | gerr2, where should i pick them up? and where? | 04:32 |
| elkbuntu | gerr2, you could try the LoCo contacts mailing list, but be aware that some teams will take it as an invitation to cry poor and ask canonical to fund ventures | 04:33 |
| juliux | !logs | 04:41 |
| ubotu | Channel logs can be found at http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs | 04:41 |
| juliux | jenda, can you explain "the only one who hasn't, so far, is juliux, and he started on his own." to me | 04:46 |
| juliux | i don't understand what you try to say;) | 04:46 |
| jenda | juliux: you're the only one who hasn't given up, and made the shirts :) | 04:48 |
| juliux | ahhh | 04:48 |
| jenda | juliux: but I didn't talk you into it - you did that on your own. | 04:48 |
| juliux | btw i think you still get money from us for the stickers | 04:49 |
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| jenda | juliux: hmm? | 04:58 |
| juliux | jenda, as you was in dresden you gave me stickers, did you get the money for them? | 04:59 |
| jenda | hmm | 04:59 |
| jenda | I didn't! | 04:59 |
| jenda | :D | 04:59 |
| jenda | jeez | 04:59 |
| jenda | I thought they were subtracted from the shirts, but that didn't happen in the end, did it? | 04:59 |
| juliux | i have no idea | 05:12 |
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| juliux | lol | 05:13 |
| beuno | juliux: also, your tshirts rock! :D | 05:14 |
| juliux | beuno, thxs | 05:15 |
| juliux | with the next shirts there will be a lot of things better in the organisation | 05:15 |
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| juliux | i want to use a ticketsystem so everybody can see where the shirts are | 05:15 |
| juliux | or i will setup a webshop for that | 05:15 |
| juliux | jenda, perhaps we can setup an ubuntu community shop, but we will write there that this is not a normal shop and everthing is not a payment it is a donation to the community;) | 05:17 |
| jenda | hehe | 05:17 |
| jenda | juliux, I've been working on that for the past 6 months ;) | 05:17 |
| juliux | oscommerce is not so difficult i think | 05:17 |
| beuno | I can do web stuff :D | 05:18 |
| juliux | cool | 05:18 |
| jenda | juliux: so... it's 75 :) | 05:18 |
| beuno | I've been bugging jenda to commit to the sticker selling, so I would setup a shop for him | 05:19 |
| beuno | if it's a more broader thing, even better! | 05:19 |
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| jenda | that's what DIY is supposed to be | 05:19 |
| beuno | jenda: :X | 05:19 |
| jenda | but I'm not capable of getting a team or person that would set it up :) | 05:19 |
| juliux | beuno, did you tested oscommerce? | 05:20 |
| juliux | beuno, i am searching for something where i can track all the stuff | 05:20 |
| beuno | juliux: yes, it's icky! | 05:21 |
| beuno | I'll look for something better, if possible | 05:21 |
| juliux | ok | 05:21 |
| juliux | i also tried rt | 05:21 |
| beuno | and jenda, clear it with Dan first, if I can take over, I'll get it done | 05:21 |
| jenda | juliux: what do you mean by 'track'? | 05:22 |
| jenda | juliux: no matter what you do, you'll always be dependant on your shipping company in that. | 05:22 |
| juliux | jenda, i want to track the e-mails between me and the people who order the shirts;) | 05:22 |
| jenda | ah | 05:22 |
| beuno | unless he ships personally, which would have an added value! :p | 05:22 |
| jenda | I use gmail for that :D | 05:22 |
| juliux | like a bugtracker | 05:22 |
| jenda | ok | 05:22 |
| juliux | baahhh gmail | 05:22 |
| beuno | juliux: launchpad? :D | 05:22 |
| juliux | beuno, it shouldn't be open | 05:23 |
| juliux | beuno, i think i will setup an ticket system for that | 05:23 |
| jenda | juliux: I would definitely hate to have to go to an extra website to see the orders etc. | 05:23 |
| jenda | but meh, I can't do anything till I finish my work :) I'm off. | 05:23 |
| juliux | jenda, cu | 05:23 |
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| juliux | gerr2, should i book the train? | 06:31 |
| juliux | gerr2, and is 4:42 right? | 06:31 |
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