=== txwikinger [n=txwiking@sblug/member/txwikinger] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === beuno [n=martin@ubuntu/member/beuno] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === Lipe_ [n=Lipe_@169-229-126-200.fibertel.com.ar] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === greg-g [n=greg@unaffiliated/greg-g] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === RoAkSoAx [n=wo@190.42.0.229] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === RoAkSoAx [n=wo@190.42.0.229] has left #ubuntu-marketing ["Leaving"] === Burgundavia [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === juliux [n=juliux@ubuntu/member/juliux] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === mrmonday [n=mrmonday@unaffiliated/mrmonday] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === SWAT [n=SWAT@ubuntu/member/swat] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === Watersevenub [n=Watersev@azevedo.astro.up.pt] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === txwikinger [n=txwiking@sblug/member/txwikinger] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === beuno [n=martin@ubuntu/member/beuno] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === gerr2 [i=gerrycar@nat/canonical/x-8a04705df5a83feb] has joined #ubuntu-marketing [12:02] morning all [12:03] we've changed the front page for a day - www.ubuntu.com [12:05] excellent. i wish they'd hurry and expand it to oceania so the 'nobody cares about australia' people can shush : [12:05] gerr2, did you get my PM yesterday? [12:12] hey gerr2 [12:12] elkbuntu: great story about a start up using ubuntu and getting rid of red hat [12:13] gerr2, www.dell.de/ubuntu is not working [12:13] elkbuntu: did you see it? [12:13] gerr2, not sure? [12:13] juliux: read the page: available from tomorrow [12:13] http://www.ubuntu.com/dell there stands 8th july [12:13] www.dell.de/ubuntu (available July 8th) [12:14] perhaps a bug;) [12:14] elkbuntu: [12:15] gerr2, that looks familiar === elkbuntu larts all the gecko applications for chewing resources [12:18] yeah, i had heard that [12:18] juliux: :-/ i can't seem to edit that page either for some reason [12:20] this is a little frustrasting [12:21] elkbuntu: i got your [12:21] p [12:21] elkbuntu: i'll try that again. i got your PM yesterday [12:21] cool, just wanted to be sure :) [12:29] juliux: i take it julius your position has not changed re: dusseldorf [12:29] gerr2, it has changed a little bit;) === Mike_Feravolo [n=mike@user-0c6s66t.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #ubuntu-marketing [12:30] gerr2, i can go to the tv show [12:31] but somebody should sponsor my travel costs [12:33] ah!! ok. yes we will pay the travel costs [12:33] i'll mail you of line [12:33] ok [12:34] i'll PM you I mean . not sure how i would send a message offline :-[ [12:34] hehe [12:40] juliux: did you get my PM? [12:41] not yet [12:47] juliux: still nothing? this is a bit odd [12:47] gerr2, i have greylisting enabled [12:48] gerr2, are you sure you send it? i cann't see any mail in the log file from you [12:49] i did not send an email [12:49] i tried on irc [12:49] i don't have your email address [12:50] you have to register your nick on freenode [12:50] without that i cann't read your pm on irc [12:51] or you join #gerry ;) [12:58] juliux: can you just send me an email with your travel requirements julius? gerry dot carr at canonical dot com [12:58] yes [12:59] so you only need the cities? [12:59] where i start? [02:00] gerr2, take a look at http://www.opensourcefactory.com/cms/index.php?page=ubuntu_linux_7-04 there are no more ubuntu colors [02:09] juliux: you can also turn on umode +6 to be able to accept PMs from unreggeds [02:09] jenda, ahh ok [02:09] thxs [02:09] gerr2: but you should register ;) [02:09] and hello :) [02:12] jenda, did you know http://www.linux-onlineshop.de/product_info.php/info/p1332_PC-Sticker---powered-by-Ubuntu--verzerrt.html ;9 [02:13] juliux: your work? :) [02:13] no [02:13] they're still 3 times what mine cost ;) [02:13] that is one of the professional shops in germany [02:14] cool [02:14] he sells them for 25cent [02:14] I'm 100% sure they use it with commercial intent. [02:16] i know [02:17] gerr2: how does canonical deal with that? Did they ask and receive specific permission to do so? [02:19] Not to mention they are using the name "Ubuntu Linux", which is totally counterproductive to our branding policies :( [02:42] jenda: i thought i had registered [02:42] although i seem to be gerr2 these days [02:43] then try /nick [02:44] (gerr2 isn't registered) [02:55] jenda: i don't think we have approved this - we would not approve Ubuntu Linux [02:55] indeed [02:55] gerr2: and if they were to sell it as 'Ubuntu', would you have approved it even if it was for-profit? [03:06] jenda: probably but i don't know anything about these guys [03:06] ok [03:07] gerr2: so, theoretically it would be possible to ask for such permission? [03:07] jenda: if they are a legitimate business and particularly, as they appear to be, promoting Linux then there is no conflict with them making a profit [03:07] gerr2: I meant, for example, if I or another community member did so. [03:08] providing they're promoting the correct thing, as in Ubuntu, not Ubuntu Linux [03:08] jenda: permission to use the trademark? Mail trademarks@ubuntu.com and tell them what you are doing [03:08] jenda: and show them what you are doing [03:09] gerr2: oh, permission to use the trademark isn't the problem - but permission to use it and make a profit in the process is a different thing, innit? [03:09] (I mean, I've had them check every single thing I ever shipped) [03:09] jenda: it's a confusing area [03:09] The thing is, I'm now pulling out of the 'business', because I can't pay myself for the time I spend doing it. I had to get a job instead. [03:10] jenda: example 1 - comm member sells t shirts above costs and uses money made to attend events: fine [03:10] ok [03:10] that's pretty much what I intended. [03:10] Even when I write about Ubuntu these days, I take specific care not to write Linux directly after Ubuntu. So rather than "the Ubuntu Linux distribution" i make sure i write "the distribution of Linux called Ubuntu" [03:11] I mean, I have about $500 here which I made using the stuff, and it'll be used for the Czech Loco, mostly. But I might continue doing the stuff if I could use the money to attend a UDS eventually. [03:11] jenda: someone we don't know uses trademarks to sell t-shirts for personal gain and contributes nothing to ubuntu or linux community? not good [03:11] mhm [03:12] gerr2, that opinion varies from person to person. some would not care so long as the brand is getting out. i believe riched is one of that stance [03:12] gerr2: so, if I wanted to continue in the field, selling this stuff, in order to be able to afford a UDS later on, what would be the process? Ask trademarks for approval? [03:13] elkbuntu: the trademark policy is quite clear on that, however :( [03:15] elkbuntu: for commercial use you need our permission [03:16] elkbuntu: but that's not to say we won't give it. if it is legitimate we likely will [03:16] gerr2: so, what's the process of asking for the permission? [03:16] i didnt read 'without asking permission' into the case, sorry [03:17] in principle we want people to make money out of ubuntu in order to sustain the project as long as they do it the right way [03:17] jenda: tell me what you want to do jenda? [03:17] one could very easily argue that brand placement is a valid contribution too [03:17] gerr2: what I've been doing for ages :) [03:17] gerr2: I've been selling ubuntu stickers and posters to the community for bulk prices, with very little profit [03:18] with the proviso that I don't keep the profit. [03:18] gerr2: but I can no longer afford to do so. [03:18] gerr2: however, if I could keep part of the profit, I would very likely continue. [03:19] gerr2: I've already sent out some 14000 case badges, 800 posters and some 200 other stickers. [03:20] gerr2: here's a complete budget and other info on the 'project': https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MarketingTeam/DIYWebsite/Get/PriceListJenda?action=show&redirect=PriceListJenda#head-d52bd66652f2bbd8244cfe459cd68bed6460edcf [03:21] (note: most of the actual profits are generated from tips. the prices them selves are low-margin, or even negative-margin) [03:25] gerr2: and another point is that before the new trademark policy was in place, I frequently encouraged people to create Ubuntu swag to get the brand out there, even based the DIY marketing project around that, citing that they could make money doing so - as that would serve as a great incentive for locoteams in poorer countries, and a way for them to make money even for the locos, which is extremely difficult in poorer countries. [03:25] (so knowing how exactly it is possible to do the same now would also be good) === mindspin [n=mindspin@unaffiliated/mindspin] has joined #ubuntu-marketing [03:41] jenda: i am aware of your activities [03:42] jenda: and i don't want them to stop [03:42] jenda: this sounds like a fairly big topic and i want to make the ground rules as clear to all as possible [03:43] jenda: how about a MEETING!!! [03:43] hehe [03:43] sounds good :) [03:43] My activities actually have stopped, pretty much, because of the job, but that should be just temporary. [03:43] gerr2: i'm serious; it feels to me that there has been a bit of a decline in the DIY marketing [03:43] gerr2: and we need to revive it. [03:44] gerr2: also i need someone to tell me how to register a nickname [03:44] that can be item 1 [03:44] hehe [03:44] you were talking to yourself there ;) [03:44] I can help you register the nickname. [03:45] As for DIY - I became very busy over the summer. I will pay it a lot of attention as soon as I finish my work, which _should_ be this weekend. [03:46] we get jenda back? YAY! === elkbuntu hugs jenda [03:46] hehe [03:46] jenda: that was not a criticism - it's just that we need to spread it beyond your activities === jenda hugs elky back [03:46] gerr2: oh, definitely [03:46] gerr2: I've always wanted that to happen [03:47] gerr2: in fact, I've tried persuading several people who showed interest to take over whichever part of swag production they were most interested in, but most people chickened out in the end :) [03:47] the only one who hasn't, so far, is juliux, and he started on his own. [03:48] well maybe we need to figure out a way for people to do it really easily and maybe even make some money ;) [03:48] mhm [03:49] I don't know how to make it easier for them, apart from offering the necessary digital material, and not obstructing their work :) [03:50] Of course, DIY was also intended to list people who offered swag, so as to give them a basic advertising. === boredandblogg|GA [n=nali@c-24-98-177-125.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-marketing [03:58] i don't know either - maybe we need to identify some people and encourage them . [03:59] anyway meeting? [03:59] how do we guarantee a good attendance? [04:00] gerr2, figuring out who you're targetting, for a start === Lauree [n=lauree@cpe-66-65-133-77.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-marketing [04:02] gerr2: and then sending it out on teh mailing list, and prodding specific people individually :) === samiam [n=samurai@74-134-144-215.dhcp.insightbb.com] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === juliux [n=juliux@ubuntu/member/juliux] has joined #ubuntu-marketing [04:28] juliux: you back online? [04:29] gerr2, yes [04:29] i am back from dentist [04:29] juliux: news on your tickets.. it's an early start fella [04:30] np [04:30] i'll fire them through - they'll be paid for you will just need to pick them up in hamburg [04:31] elkbuntu: i don't know who to target [04:32] gerr2, cool [04:32] gerr2, where should i pick them up? and where? [04:33] gerr2, you could try the LoCo contacts mailing list, but be aware that some teams will take it as an invitation to cry poor and ask canonical to fund ventures [04:41] !logs [04:41] Channel logs can be found at http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs [04:46] jenda, can you explain "the only one who hasn't, so far, is juliux, and he started on his own." to me [04:46] i don't understand what you try to say;) [04:48] juliux: you're the only one who hasn't given up, and made the shirts :) [04:48] ahhh [04:48] juliux: but I didn't talk you into it - you did that on your own. [04:49] btw i think you still get money from us for the stickers === mrmonday [n=mrmonday@unaffiliated/mrmonday] has joined #ubuntu-marketing [04:58] juliux: hmm? [04:59] jenda, as you was in dresden you gave me stickers, did you get the money for them? [04:59] hmm [04:59] I didn't! [04:59] :D [04:59] jeez [04:59] I thought they were subtracted from the shirts, but that didn't happen in the end, did it? [05:12] i have no idea === beuno hides the money in his bank account in switzerland [05:13] lol [05:14] juliux: also, your tshirts rock! :D [05:15] beuno, thxs [05:15] with the next shirts there will be a lot of things better in the organisation === freelancer317 [n=freelanc@pool-71-251-145-150.hrbgpa.fios.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-marketing [05:15] i want to use a ticketsystem so everybody can see where the shirts are [05:15] or i will setup a webshop for that [05:17] jenda, perhaps we can setup an ubuntu community shop, but we will write there that this is not a normal shop and everthing is not a payment it is a donation to the community;) [05:17] hehe [05:17] juliux, I've been working on that for the past 6 months ;) [05:17] oscommerce is not so difficult i think [05:18] I can do web stuff :D [05:18] cool [05:18] juliux: so... it's 75 :) [05:19] I've been bugging jenda to commit to the sticker selling, so I would setup a shop for him [05:19] if it's a more broader thing, even better! === jenda shrugs [05:19] that's what DIY is supposed to be [05:19] jenda: :X [05:19] but I'm not capable of getting a team or person that would set it up :) [05:20] beuno, did you tested oscommerce? [05:20] beuno, i am searching for something where i can track all the stuff [05:21] juliux: yes, it's icky! [05:21] I'll look for something better, if possible [05:21] ok [05:21] i also tried rt [05:21] and jenda, clear it with Dan first, if I can take over, I'll get it done [05:22] juliux: what do you mean by 'track'? [05:22] juliux: no matter what you do, you'll always be dependant on your shipping company in that. [05:22] jenda, i want to track the e-mails between me and the people who order the shirts;) [05:22] ah [05:22] unless he ships personally, which would have an added value! :p [05:22] I use gmail for that :D [05:22] like a bugtracker [05:22] ok [05:22] baahhh gmail [05:22] juliux: launchpad? :D [05:23] beuno, it shouldn't be open [05:23] beuno, i think i will setup an ticket system for that [05:23] juliux: I would definitely hate to have to go to an extra website to see the orders etc. [05:23] but meh, I can't do anything till I finish my work :) I'm off. [05:23] jenda, cu === DarkRaven [n=dvwyngaa@dsl-241-199-242.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === DarkRaven [n=dvwyngaa@dsl-241-199-242.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-marketing [06:31] gerr2, should i book the train? 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