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Paris [02:21] Schedule for Europe/Paris: 07 Aug 17:00: Kernel Team | 08 Aug 14:00: Edubuntu | 09 Aug 17:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 10 Aug 06:00: MOTU Team | 11 Aug 19:00: Xubuntu Developers | 14 Aug 17:00: Ubuntu Server Team meeting === slomo [n=slomo@ubuntu/member/slomo] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === tck [n=tck@213-202-161-88.bas503.dsl.esat.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === slomo_ [n=slomo@ubuntu/member/slomo] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === DarkRaven_ [n=DarkRave@dsl-241-199-242.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === mdz [i=mdz@nat/canonical/x-ed7fabc188de4d59] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [03:00] @schedule Sao_Paulo [03:00] Schedule for America/Sao_Paulo: 07 Aug 12:00: Kernel Team | 08 Aug 09:00: Edubuntu | 09 Aug 12:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 10 Aug 01:00: MOTU Team | 11 Aug 14:00: Xubuntu Developers | 14 Aug 12:00: Ubuntu Server Team meeting === DarkRavenLogBot 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Developers | 14 Aug 15:00 UTC: Ubuntu Server Team meeting === amitk__ [n=amit@85-156-83-52.elisa-mobile.fi] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === jsgotangco [n=JSG@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === pkl_ [n=phillip@unaffiliated/pkl/x-764568] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === rtg_ [n=rtg@216.166.171.58] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === coNP [n=conp@unaffiliated/conp] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === BenC [n=bcollins@debian/developer/bcollins] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [05:04] hello everyone [05:05] So this is the kernel team meeting [05:05] Information on the Ubuntu kernel team can be found at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam, and the agenda (needs updating) is at: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/Meeting [05:06] We'll use last meeting as a template [05:06] amitk__, rtg_, pkl_: ping [05:06] pong [05:06] pong [05:06] pong [05:06] kyle not around? [05:07] Checking on that [05:07] So we'll just go down the list for now === kylem [n=kyle@amnesiac.heapspace.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [05:09] amitk__: So what's on your plate? [05:09] 2d DRM drivers for UME [05:10] thermal optimsation patches from Intel - again for UME [05:10] THE END. [05:10] Are you ok with the changes needed to get DRM in lum and disabled in linux-source? [05:10] for lpia that is [05:11] BenC: yes i am. I will submit a patch for review [05:11] are we switching MIDs to the lpia arch rightaway? [05:12] Might be a better question for ubuntu-mobile :) [05:12] I though we were still sticking with the UME flavour of i386 for the time-being [05:12] ok [05:12] amitk__: Any progress or updates for laptop testing? [05:14] unfortunately not. I have updated some of the tests. I hope to find some time towards the end of the week [05:15] Ok, definitely want to get that moving with tribe-4 coming out Thu [05:15] let me know if we need to offset some of this effort [05:15] ok [05:15] amitk__: thanks for the updates [05:16] pkl_: how's things coming along with you? [05:16] Very slow. Still stuck doing the writeSupportForNTFS stuff [05:17] Mainly all packaging based, which means it's taking me a long time because I'm completely unfamiliar with it. === Lure_ [n=lure@external-1.hermes.si] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [05:18] Hoped to have had it finished last week. I currently anticipate today. [05:18] pkl_: do you have a packaging mentor? [05:18] No. === cjwatson [n=cjwatson@82-69-40-219.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [05:18] cjwatson: ah, perfect timing...do you know who would be best to contact about mentoring pkl for packaging ntfs-write stuff? [05:19] It should be mainly finished now. [05:19] BenC: probably me TBH [05:19] I've already done some bits around the side there [05:19] ok [05:20] I extend a standing offer to anyone on the kernel team to review and sponsor userspace bits for them, if you can't find anyone else === hoora_ [i=ariel@gateway/tor/x-33557142d67c5f1b] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [05:20] i can help... [05:20] I'm more than willing myself, just depends on the TZ overlap, or just waiting [05:21] pkl_: so probably just an email to kernel-team@ once the packages are ready, and we'll definitely check it over [05:21] cc me if you want me to look at it, as I don't read kernel-team@ regularly [05:22] pkl_: How goes things with virtualization? Any time to test xen yet? [05:22] Not yet. [05:22] zul_: anything to add on xen? [05:23] so far, I've yet to hear of a real live test === finalbeta [n=gggggggg@d54C6865D.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [05:23] BenC: yeah I have an update this week, seems to work fine for me [05:23] so you're running dom0 and domU from our image with no problems? [05:24] yep [05:24] no problems now at least [05:24] any chance you've checked on the amd64 build failure? [05:24] from today? === luka74 [n=lure@external-1.hermes.si] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [05:25] oh the kernel side, not yet [05:25] will do so tonight [05:25] but Im pretty sure my new patch will fix it [05:25] zul_: from when we tried a week or so ago [05:25] ok [05:25] pkl_, zul_: thanks === IntuitiveNipple [n=TJ@alexandros.tjworld.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [05:26] rtg_: So how's your work load going, or should I just call you dell-man? :) [05:26] dell-man is fine with me :) [05:27] I'm working on the Dell recovery stuff http://linux.dell.com/dru/index.php a little bit. [05:27] Also working through the list of Dell related bugs. [05:27] Its ever so much easier when you have the hardware. [05:27] I need to start working on Gutsy wireless bugs pretty soon. [05:28] ok, that last response answered my question :) [05:28] So, my plate is full for the foreseeable future. [05:28] Any bugs you're aware of with wireless? [05:28] I've seen several, but have not looked closely at any yet. [05:29] Some of them are probably unfixable, like bcm43xx stuff. [05:29] There is a lot of churn in the wireless-dev tree. [05:30] Anything we might want to pull in for gutsy? [05:30] Linville has made some interesting decisions w/regard to soft mac. [05:30] One thing we may want to consider now is that we may want a newer mac80211 than what's in our stock 2.6.22 kernel [05:30] I couldn't say for sure how it might affect Gutsy. [05:30] BenC: I have some santa rosa ids sitting in my git tree that ill push soon [05:31] It will take some research. [05:31] zul_: pass those through kyle, please [05:31] ok [05:31] Thats it from me. [05:31] rtg_: Ok, definitely check into mac80211 from wireless-dev and possibly some of the wireless-dev mac80211 converted drivers for lum [05:32] Will do. === DarkRaven [n=dvwyngaa@dsl-241-199-242.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [05:32] there are some other drivers that we may need newer mac80211 for, specifically iwlwifi [05:32] rtg_: ok, thanks [05:32] kylem: so finally back from your forced extended trip to ubuntulive? :) [05:33] heh. [05:33] getting home was expensive. :/ [05:34] kylem: so how's things with your work load? [05:34] anyway, i've been trying to plough through some of the untriaged bugs reported by the intel qa people. [05:34] right, that looked like a pretty tedious list === DarkRavenLogBot [n=DarkRave@dsl-241-199-242.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [05:35] other than that, i've been getting a bugfix xf86-video-intel release ready for gutsy. [05:35] kylem: what about general Intel enablement...are we good with that for gutsy, and just need to address bugs? [05:35] because the current git head has a pile of changes we don't want, but also a lot of bugfixes we need [05:35] other than the iwlwifi bug fixes that is === Toadstoo1 [n=jcorbier@2001:6f8:3a6:0:0:0:0:1] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [05:36] there's two patches coming this week for iwlwifi that will bring our 0.0.42 to 1.0.0, which should be good to go for gutsy for 4965. [05:36] their focus has been enabling 4965, so we're going to need to stick with ipw3945 for gutsy. [05:36] kylem: I assume 1.0.0 means they will have certified it? [05:36] BenC, indeed. [05:37] excellent [05:37] lastly i've been picking through some alsa patches from 2.6.23-rc2 to see what is relevant for enablement on gutsy. [05:37] er, second to lastly [05:37] there's also a bit more stuff going on with the e1000 drivers that i've been picking at but haven't had time to sit down and beat at yet === WaVeR [n=Cobra@80-218-191-254.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #Ubuntu-meeting [05:37] kylem: Oh, TheMuso is only handling alsa userspace, so you're still the go-to-guy for kernel side :) [05:38] it seems intel has released some new e100 chipsets which are a e1000 mac, with a 10/100 phy, so we need the new driver for them (even though they're really only 10/100.) [05:39] kylem: Ok..perhaps look into updating feisty lbm too then [05:39] yes, it will likely become relevant to tim at some point in the near future. [05:40] kylem: great, thanks [05:40] kylem: everything I have from Dell works over ethernet. [05:41] rtg_, for now... [05:41] hopefully those new macs wont become relevant till gutsy is viable as an option [05:41] but we can update lbm in feisty without too much worry, restricting to just the PCI ids needed [05:41] dell is already shipping a laptop with it, i imagine it's only a matter of time until they want linux on it. [05:42] kylem: which one ? Maybe I can get them to send it to me. === DarkRavenLogBot [n=DarkRave@dsl-241-199-242.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [05:42] dunno, i'll dig out the pci id later. [05:42] it's in one of the models of dell vostro. [05:43] the last thing i've been mucking with is hrtimers for x86-64 which we probably can't ship in gutsy; kind of a shame but c'est la vie. [05:43] Any points from community folks? [05:44] no for me [05:44] fedora is going to be shipping it though, so we'll be behind them on power saving on amd64 :\ [05:44] kylem: fortunately, most people who want decent desktop on x86_64 use 32-bit anyway, it seems [05:44] at least I do [05:45] feh. [05:45] Can't have my youtube on 64-bit without jumping through hurdles [05:45] gnash does youtube quite nicely these days. [05:45] ;-) [05:45] ah, haven't tested that yet :) [05:45] slacker :) [05:46] but then there's wine and win32 codecs [05:46] BenC: whats going on with the Turion boot problem? [05:46] rtg_: I didn't get CPU ids in time for an upload by kyle [05:47] but "nolapic_timer nohz=off" is a decent work around [05:47] we should get that added to the tribe-4 release notes [05:48] So, we're starting to get down to the crunch in our cycle...less development and more bug work [05:48] feature freeze approaches, kernel freeze shortly after [05:49] When that starts to settle, it's a good time to start thinking about next UDS and gutsy+1 [05:49] I don't know if it came up before I joined, but has work for 6.06.2 been parcelled out? [05:50] Ah, right, was on my mind earlier, but forgot to add it to the agenda [05:50] a bunch of stuff is still just assigned to the team [05:50] I've got the list of drivers to work on, and most likely I'll be handling most of it [05:51] cjwatson: I suspect I should contact heno to get testing prior to upload? [05:52] yes, we'll need to organise something based on what hardware is available [05:52] Hopefully I can get Montreal support and elmo to help with the testing [05:52] Get a modified CD image up [05:52] heno is a good contact to start with, and if anyone else has hardware related to any of those bugs I recommend making sure that you have a 6.06.1 install on it somewhere if possible [05:53] yep, I'll be preparing proposed CD images === mikmor2 [n=Michael_@rrcs-24-153-192-208.sw.biz.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [05:53] I'll get you the kernel images then [05:55] Any last comments? [05:55] moo. [05:55] baaah === j_ack [n=j_ack@p508D8694.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [05:56] BenC: ni! 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