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tgm4883	would it be possible for someone to sync the revu keyring	12:21
coNP	it would	12:23
coNP	you have to ask a REVU admin for that I guess	12:23
tgm4883	ah	12:23
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zul	afternoon	12:24
mtaylor	so how do I assign the bug to myself and set it to "in progress"? if I'm prepping a new package?	12:26
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coNP	mtaylor: why do you need that?	12:27
coNP	You can of course file a bug "include <sg> in ubuntu", set it "in progress" and assign to yourself, this does not mean that your package will be automatically accepted, though.	12:27
mtaylor	coNP: sure. I'm just trying to walk through the steps on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Contributing	12:28
coNP	mtaylor: that is in section "Preparing Patches" that is for bugfixes	12:28
coNP	Applies not for new packages IMO	12:29
mtaylor	it's in the "Preparing New Packages" section too... but I'm happy to skip it if I don't need it.	12:29
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coNP	That is for packages requested.	12:30
coNP	But you can file it so that it can be seen that someone is working on that.	12:30
coNP	On the other hand it might be useful to ask someone to confirm it.	12:30
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mtaylor	coNP: and so I put Ubuntu MOTU as Maintainer if I'm going to upload to REVU?	12:35
mtaylor	or, Ubuntu MOTU Developers <ubuntu-motu@lists.ubuntu.com>, rather, right? then how does GPG know who to sign the package as?	12:37
ajmitch	it gets that from the changelog entry	12:37
mtaylor	huh. well I'll be. no NMU complaining message :)	12:38
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coNP	You will _always_ get NMU complaining messages :)	12:47
coNP	And unknown distribution errors as well.	12:47
coNP	From REVU at least	12:47
mtaylor	coNP: ok. fair enough.	12:48
mtaylor	coNP: If I've got the package in a PPA, can I just use that URL and ask for comments?	12:49
mtaylor	or should I still use REVU	12:49
coNP	I guess the wiki pages say REVU, but mostly depends on your sponsors / mentors.	12:49
mtaylor	ok. thanks	12:49
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mtaylor	when I'm running debuild -S, what determines whether it's going to include the orig tarball in the upload?	12:59
geser	the -sa option	01:00
mtaylor	geser: thanks!	01:00
mtaylor	so, revu.tauware.de doesn't seem to be so responsive...	01:04
dothebart	roflamo http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wwLrgxtALWs	01:05
coNP	mtaylor: I can confirm :(	01:05
mtaylor	so, not to be a broken record, but not I'm just curious - what screen in launchpad do I need to go to so I can assign a bug to myself and mark it "in progress" ?	01:12
mtaylor	nevermind	01:13
mtaylor	I found it.	01:13
mtaylor	it was not obvious to me that I should click the triangle to get to that info, when there are links on the left...	01:13
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mtaylor	anybody feel like reviewing a package for me? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/130740	01:26
ubotu	Launchpad bug 130740 in Ubuntu "[needs-packaging] mysql-proxy" [Wishlist,In progress]	01:26
mtaylor	ha. look at that. :)	01:27
ScottK	mtaylor: It'd be a lot easier for me to give it a quick review if it was on REVU. Sorry, no time for a detailed look now.	01:30
mtaylor	ScottK: thanks... trying to upload to REVU as well, but it doesn't seem to be so healthy - no rush in any case	01:31
ScottK	OK.	01:31
geser	mtaylor: wrong version number: the first upload to Ubuntu should have 0.6.0-0ubuntu1	01:31
mtaylor	aha!	01:31
mtaylor	that's why it didn't want to make an orig.tar.gz upload.	01:31
geser	and as the license is GPL-2 only, link to the version one (/usr/share/common-licenses/GPL-2)	01:32
geser	that should be unrelated	01:33
mtaylor	geser: should I re-version number stuff, or should I just know that for next time?	01:37
geser	I'm not sure if ppa will accept an upload with an lower version number	01:38
mtaylor	yeah - I don't think it will - but I think it's getting a delete button RSN	01:38
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mtaylor	I'll fix it for the REVU upload	01:39
bmm	If the COPYRIGHT file doesn't mention some of the authors in the source, I should still mention them in the debian/copyright file, right?	01:39
geser	for the next time: use something like 0.6.0-0ubuntu1~ppa1 which is always smaller 0.6.0-0ubuntu1 but you can increase the number after the ppa	01:39
mtaylor	will do	01:40
geser	bmm: right, a wrong COPYRIGHT file is no excuse to omit them also in debian/copyright	01:40
bmm	geser: though so, but wanted to make sure before compiling the whole list ;-) Thanks!	01:41
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mtaylor	geser: is there anyone we should ping about REVU being down?	02:02
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geser	mtaylor: I guess siretart, but he is sleeping now. Try to reach him during the european day.	02:04
mtaylor	k will do	02:04
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bmm	Is the debian/copyright file UTF-8? (or, what to do with special characters?)	02:25
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Fujitsu	bmm: It should be UTF-8, yes.	02:41
bmm	Fujitsu: thanks! couldn't find it in the policy, so I'm glad you could awnser it :-) Thanks again.	02:42
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bddebian	Heya gang	03:14
Fujitsu	Hi bddebian.	03:14
bddebian	Hi Fujitsu	03:15
=== StevenK waves
bddebian	Heya StevenK	03:15
bddebian	I see you've taken over? :-)	03:15
RAOF	Hey bddebian! Review xserver-xgl! :)	03:16
StevenK	bddebian: Taken over ... ?	03:16
bddebian	StevenK: I'm kidding. I see that you are pretty active! :-)	03:17
bddebian	RAOF: Oh yeah, sure :-)	03:17
StevenK	bddebian: Fairly. :-)	03:17
StevenK	Unless bddebian is kidding, that is so the first time that RAOF's suggestion of reviewing has worked.	03:18
bddebian	heh	03:18
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bddebian	I think I'm going to have to re-learn everything :'-(	03:20
=== ..[topic/#ubuntu-motu:Fujitsu] : Ubuntu Masters of the Universe: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU \| Want to get involved with the MOTUs? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Contributing \| http://ubuntu.joejaxx.org/ - TOP 10 Uploaders/Packages \| REVU down until some time Wednesday (UTC-5)
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jetsaredi1	how do I find out what packages depend on a given package?	03:39
ScottK	apt-cache rdepends packagname	03:40
ScottK	IIRC that just gives you the direct dependencies.	03:40
RAOF	bddebian: Are you serious?	03:44
RAOF	That would be cool if you were :)	03:44
bddebian	About what, re-learning everything?	03:44
RAOF	No, about xgl.	03:44
bddebian	I'm not sure I even feel qualified atm :-(	03:45
RAOF	:(	03:45
StevenK	Heh. RAOF looses again.	03:45
StevenK	loses, even	03:46
RAOF	I'm going to have to apply for MOTU in order to actually adopt xgl, aren't I?	03:46
ScottK	bddebian: You NEVER feel qualified.	03:46
bddebian	Sure, why not RAOF? :_)	03:46
ScottK	That's no excuse not to review his package.	03:46
StevenK	RAOF: You mean, Fujitsu, Hobbsee and I haven't convinced you to apply yet?	03:46
bddebian	ScottK: Probably because I'm not :-)	03:46
ScottK	Never stopped you before.	03:46
RAOF	StevenK: Oh, no. I do intend to apply. This will just force me to move up my schedule :)	03:47
StevenK	Heh	03:47
StevenK	You have "apply for -dev" and "apply for -core-dev" on a calendar somewhere? :-)	03:47
RAOF	Heh.	03:48
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bddebian	Hmm, REVU is down?	03:50
superm1	appears so.	03:51
StevenK	bddebian: /topic ; Fujitsu even set it while you were here.	03:51
bddebian	Yeah yeah, I know	03:52
bddebian	RAOF: I guess your hosted then :-)	03:55
bddebian	Err hosed even	03:55
RAOF	bddebian: Nah, xserver-xgl is a bzr branch on LP.	03:55
bddebian	bzr, pfft	03:55
RAOF	And, if push comes to shove, on cooperteam.net	03:56
RAOF	There is no escape!	03:56
bddebian	Sure there is	03:56
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bddebian	Uhm, cooperteam.net just has .debs	03:58
RAOF	bddebian: Yeah, but if LP went down I'd push my xgl tree there.	04:01
ScottK	bzr push, bzr shove?	04:01
ScottK	Well I'm all the way up to the code is a poorly thought out mess, but it works.	04:01
StevenK	I don't think bzr likes getting shoved.	04:02
ScottK	Now to make it look like I thought about it before I threw it together.	04:02
ScottK	StevenK: Don't ask me, ask RAOF. He was talking about bzr and pushing and shoving.	04:03
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bddebian	:-)	04:11
bddebian	Missed me didn't ya? :)	04:11
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Fujitsu	s/y//	04:12
ScottK	Sounds like an opportunity to exercise your iptables foo.	04:13
Fujitsu	I started Wireshark to see what was causing all the traffic, and it took about 3 seconds to eat all my RAM :(	04:14
ajmitch	bddebian: I did?	04:14
ScottK	Sounds like time for tcpdump then.	04:14
bddebian	ajmitch: Of course you did :-)	04:16
ajmitch	nasty, tracker is back on my system	04:16
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Fujitsu	Heh, ubuntu-desktop depends now, doesn't it?	04:16
ajmitch	I hope it only recommends	04:16
Fujitsu	So do I, but you never know.	04:16
ajmitch	I like my laptop to be usable, thanks	04:16
Fujitsu	Is it really that bad?	04:16
ajmitch	not quite that bad, but it does thrash the disk a bit	04:18
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Fujitsu	How does it compare to Beagle?	04:19
Fujitsu	Presumably it eats a bit less RAM.	04:19
ajmitch	sure, which is why I don't run beagle on there either :)	04:19
ajmitch	hm, I guess I won't get f-spot 0.4.0 in before tribe 4 freeze	04:20
ajmitch	oh well	04:20
Fujitsu	What's new in it?	04:20
ajmitch	addins	04:20
Fujitsu	Is it a bit more sane?	04:20
ajmitch	new query stuff	04:20
ajmitch	I haven't really tested it	04:21
Fujitsu	I was hoping it wouldn't be so "nyahahah all your photos are MINE!"	04:21
ajmitch	I doubt it's going to change its design quite like that	04:21
Fujitsu	Darn.	04:21
ajmitch	though it should be able to keep its catalogue without copying all the photos	04:21
ajmitch	one of the main things though is plugging in a camera & photos are copied	04:22
Fujitsu	Why would they remove the need for copying it? That would be efficient and make sense.	04:26
TheMuso	Whats LVM currently like in gutsy?	04:26
Fujitsu	I've been using it fine since the start.	04:26
RAOF	TheMuso: It works?	04:26
RAOF	TheMuso: All my systems use it.	04:26
TheMuso	Ok.	04:26
TheMuso	I won't be using it for any data critical stuff yet.	04:26
Fujitsu	Even snapshots, unlike for some of Feisty.	04:26
TheMuso	heh cool.	04:27
RAOF	Yay! Compiz-git is now broken on Ubuntu! Finally, people will need to use an actual release!	04:28
bddebian	heh	04:29
RAOF	Please, can we make sure that a libxcb-enabled libx11 doesn't make it into gutsy? It'd be awesome to break the community's git addiction :)	04:30
Fujitsu	Haha.	04:30
RAOF	Also: "nesl247)) Releases are as useful as git code. It's the same thing as git code, except it's a checkout of a certain date and time"	04:30
Fujitsu	-headdesk-	04:32
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ajmitch	RAOF: is it?	04:32
ajmitch	RAOF: I just upgraded my laptop (it was about 6 weeks out of date) and compiz still works	04:33
Fujitsu	6 weeks? Ouch.	04:33
ajmitch	yeah, about 1400 packages	04:33
RAOF	ajmitch: Yes. Compiz HEAD now requires libx11-xcb to build.	04:33
Fujitsu	Heh.	04:33
RAOF	ajmitch: Oh, no. Our packages work, 'cause they're now based off an actual release :)	04:33
ajmitch	took most of the morning to just install them & restart apt-get/aptitude several times	04:33
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ScottK	Still no OOO in Gutsy in Kubuntu....	04:34
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ajmitch	ScottK: good to get opinions on motu applications	04:45
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ScottK	Screaming to sabdfl for help after his important packages had been left unreviewed for a whole 3 hours is going to take me a while to get over.	04:47
ajmitch	haha	04:47
bddebian	hehe	04:47
ScottK	I made sure I had the dates and times in my logs to back me up before I sent that one too.	04:48
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Fujitsu	ajmitch: Have you not ordered a batch of CDs in the past 14 months?	04:51
ajmitch	Fujitsu: I mean a small one	04:51
Fujitsu	Oh, those.	04:52
justinwray	ScottK: What kind of laptop/CPU?	04:52
Fujitsu	There is a NZ distributor now, AFAIK.	04:52
ajmitch	I already have a larger ubuntu sticker on the lid to cover the shame of the acer logo	04:52
ajmitch	there has been an NZ distributor for awhile	04:52
Fujitsu	Heh.	04:52
ScottK	justinwray: Ancient Dell Latitude L400	04:52
justinwray	ajmitch: Whats wrong with Acer?	04:52
ScottK	Fan works on Feisty, not on Gutsy.	04:52
Fujitsu	I cut out the logo from one of the larger ones to stick over the Dell cirlce.	04:52
Fujitsu	*circle	04:52
ajmitch	justinwray: just ask mjg59 about acer & acpi	04:52
justinwray	ScottK: I'll check my stock pile, I have some old dell laptops around. I'll see if I can find a working headsink. If you want?	04:53
ScottK	It's OK. It's a kernel bug.	04:53
ScottK	The fan is fine, just doens't get turned on.	04:54
justinwray	Ah, I missed that part...	04:54
ScottK	When I swap back to my Feisty hard drive, no troubles.	04:54
justinwray	Was only half paying attention, I saw you say you were running on a bag of ice.	04:54
ScottK	No problem.	04:54
justinwray	ajmitch: Well, it might not be the best with acpi, but things are getting better. But for the price, they are damn good. I got a UK version of the 5000 series. With the Atheros chipset.	04:55
ScottK	Actually I have enough parts to assemble at least one or two more L400's here.	04:55
justinwray	LOL	04:55
ScottK	I've been buying them up on ebay because I really like the form factor.	04:55
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ajmitch	hey jsgotangco	04:55
ScottK	My wife and I both use one.	04:55
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jsgotangco	hi!	04:56
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bddebian	Heya jsgotangco	04:57
ajmitch	bddebian: good thing you're back to tackle the bug mountain & the broken packages	05:02
bddebian	Yeah, good thing :-)	05:03
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RAOF	Deluge. Because changelogs are for wusses.	05:28
RAOF	Why must the software I care about have unhelpful upstreams?	05:28
StevenK	RAOF: Because they hate you. Only you. It's all about you, after all ... :-P	05:29
RAOF	I'm sure some upstreams are good. Why not mine?	05:29
RAOF	:P-	05:29
ScottK	Because they know you?	05:30
bddebian	heh, nice group :-)	05:30
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desertc__	Anyone from Tennessee?	07:01
desertc__	oops, mt	07:01
nixternal	I hear Kenny Chesney and Peyton Manning are	07:12
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Nergar	hello	08:44
Nergar	anyone know why jedit isn't in the repositories?	08:45
TheMuso	Either it hasn't been packaged yet, or it has not yet been s ynced from Debian.	08:46
TheMuso	Nergar: DO you know if it is in Debian?	08:46
Nergar	idk	08:46
TheMuso	Ok, I'll have a look.	08:46
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TheMuso	Ok its not in Debian either.	08:48
TheMuso	I would advise filing a package request bug.	08:48
Nergar	in debian?	08:49
Nergar	or launchpad?	08:49
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TheMuso	Launchpad is fine, but if you would like to see it in Debian, filing it with Debian would be preferable.	08:50
Burgundavia	I would do both	08:50
Burgundavia	you can link the debian bug report from the LP one	08:51
Nergar	i can't believe such a powerful programing tool isn't included in either one	08:53
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RAOF	No one likes java ;)	08:53
Burgundavia	java had serious freedom issues until recently	08:53
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white	!info xpdf gutsy	09:12
ubotu	xpdf: Portable Document Format (PDF) suite. In component universe, is optional. Version 3.02-1ubuntu1 (gutsy), package size 1 kB, installed size 36 kB	09:12
white	!info xpdf sid	09:12
ubotu	xpdf: Portable Document Format (PDF) suite. In component main, is optional. Version 3.02-1 (sid), package size 1 kB, installed size 36 kB	09:12
white	there is an NMU coming into sid. You might want to check, if the patch is included in the gutsy version and if not sync :)	09:13
siretart	morning	09:13
siretart	oh, revu down :(	09:13
white	siretart: good afternoon :)	09:13
siretart	hey white!	09:13
coNP	morgen siretart	09:13
siretart	hallo coNP :)	09:14
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ajmitch	hi siretart	09:16
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siretart	hey ajmitch	09:26
\sh	moins siretart, ajmitch	09:34
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ajmitch	hi \sh	09:37
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DarkSun88	Hi all	09:40
pygi	hello folks	09:44
RAOF	Hey	09:44
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tedp	There is a new version of ccontrol in Debian (arrived a couple of days ago) that could be pulled into Ubuntu. Doing so would probably fix Ubuntu bug #109157.	10:26
StevenK	bug 109157	10:26
ubotu	Launchpad bug 109157 in ccontrol "ccontrol SEGVs on startup" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/109157	10:26
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RainCT	Hi	10:59
norsetto	Hi world!/n	11:00
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Hobbsee	hiya	11:00
RainCT	could a U-U-S look at #108742 please?	11:00
Hobbsee	bug 108742	11:01
ubotu	Launchpad bug 108742 in acidrip "no icon in kde menu" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/108742	11:01
norsetto	Hobbsee: anything to keep me busy today?	11:01
Hobbsee	oh, that one	11:01
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Hobbsee	norsetto: hmmm. not off the top of my head. i'm not really in the loop at the moment	11:01
norsetto	Hobbsee: sure	11:02
Hobbsee	and of course, people like Q-FUNK make me feel less motivated to do anything in MOTU.	11:02
Hobbsee	norsetto: apt-cache unmet -i \| grep Package tends to be a good start	11:02
RainCT	(it's waiting since like 15 days.. for me it's no problem, but the debdiff is from a new guy and I think it's more motivating if it gets accepted soon :P)	11:02
Hobbsee	if you're wanting to fix unmet deps	11:02
Hobbsee	RainCT: someone has to know what the correct stuff is, though	11:02
=== ajmitch hopes that his box will actually reboot correctly
Q-FUNK	Hobbsee: was this meant to be a smart comment? you're one regularly throwing a tantrum here.	11:03
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RainCT	Hobbsee: what do you mean?	11:03
StevenK	...	11:03
ajmitch	oh dear	11:04
Hobbsee	RainCT: as in, someone has to know the patch is correct, before uploading it	11:04
Hobbsee	Q-FUNK: tantrum? sorry, i cant define telling people to get their act in gear, and not file mass bugs that are wrong a tantrum. unless there's a new definition of tantrum which means "a person telling someone else what they do not want to hear"	11:05
RainCT	Hobbsee: of course. you could test it ;P	11:05
Q-FUNK	Hobbsee: you keep on acting like an offended diva. grow up.	11:06
Hobbsee	RainCT: this is true. i may do that	11:06
RainCT	:)	11:06
ajmitch	Q-FUNK: I suggest you stop with the offensive comments now	11:06
Q-FUNK	ajmitch: I will when she does, sorry.	11:07
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StevenK	That's about as childish as, "She started it!"	11:07
StevenK	Q-FUNK: Please take your own advice.	11:07
=== Hobbsee sighs
Q-FUNK	sigh	11:08
Q-FUNK	whatever, folks.	11:08
Hobbsee	ajmitch: can you be the person who next has a go at the people who submit incorrect bugs, particularly multiple ones of them?	11:08
Hobbsee	ajmitch: then you can see what they'll come up to call you :)	11:08
ajmitch	Hobbsee: sure, though the CC may have a few complaints about me	11:08
Hobbsee	er, come up with	11:08
Hobbsee	ajmitch: heh :)	11:09
Hobbsee	ajmitch: i'm really starting to wonder if people are going to get offended at being told that what they're filing is incorrect, no matter who does it. perhaps we set up a rotating roster, of people who enlighten people who's bugs are wrong. or just mark them as invalid, silently.	11:11
=== norsetto ponders if the 3 bugs he subscribed u-u-s to could be considered "file mass bugs that are wrong"
StevenK	3 bugs makes not a mass bug filing	11:12
Q-FUNK	Hobbsee: it's not in telling people if they missed a procedure. it's int he way you do it that is not acceptable.	11:12
=== norsetto relaxes and takes the hockey mask down ......
Hobbsee	norsetto: of course, it helps if they're right, too :)	11:13
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Hobbsee	Q-FUNK: possibly. i think i've been to work too much.	11:13
=== Hobbsee makes a note to talk around the bush to them instead, not telling them that they've screwed up, not telling them to think about what they're doing...
StevenK	Hobbsee: "sugar-coat"	11:14
=== Hobbsee appears to come from a different planet, where people are expected to look and read and think a little. help is given to those who have done so.
Hobbsee	StevenK: that's the one.	11:14
=== ajmitch waits for X to go insane on the laptop again
Hobbsee	ajmitch: feel like examining https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xgl/+bug/126255 please?	11:17
ubotu	Launchpad bug 126255 in xserver-xgl "FTBFS" [Undecided,Confirmed]	11:17
ajmitch	I managed to login, have a desktop, and then X died & wouldn't restart without a reboot...	11:17
Hobbsee	ajmitch: impressive!	11:17
ajmitch	Hobbsee: no I don't, I'm trying to upgrade stuff on my box & will reboot soon (hopefully) :)	11:17
Hobbsee	ajmitch: darn :)	11:18
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ajmitch	you can't get me to look at xgl that easily	11:18
Hobbsee	hah	11:19
=== ajmitch guesses that the RAID will need a resync once the box is started
ajmitch	assuming it boots that far	11:20
Q-FUNK	there's a world of difference between demanding explanations versus pointing an issue out.	11:21
ajmitch	my goodness	11:21
ajmitch	it mounted the root filesystem without having to wait 10 minutes & run lvm by hand!	11:21
StevenK	ajmitch: gasp	11:21
ajmitch	probably the first time for ~6 months :)	11:21
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Hobbsee	Q-FUNK: this is true. call it the toned down reaction of "what the hell do you think you're doing?"	11:22
Hobbsee	and "why do you think you suddenly get to skip the processes?"	11:23
Q-FUNK	self-righteous. again.	11:23
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Q-FUNK	Hobbsee: your attitude is unproductive.	11:23
ajmitch	Q-FUNK: calling someone self-righteous rarely helps the matter	11:24
coNP	Hey, Hobbsee, speaking of the u-u-s queue, to bug 130364. I did a gutsy pbuilder build as well that worked fine. Only FYI, no pushing intended :)	11:24
ubotu	Launchpad bug 130364 in tilda "Please sync tilda (universe) from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/130364	11:24
Q-FUNK	ajmitch: please drop it.	11:25
Hobbsee	Q-FUNK: granted. will attempt to improve it.	11:25
Hobbsee	Q-FUNK: but please, read the docs and such before you do large amounts of stuff, again.	11:25
Hobbsee	aw darn, kmos isnt around	11:25
Hobbsee	while we were on the subject, i was going to tell him that he was doing a great job	11:26
TheMuso	heh	11:26
desertc__	YOU GUYS ROCK. Thank you for your help.	11:26
Hobbsee	Q-FUNK: the self righteous offended diva will ignore your stuff from now on. happy?	11:27
=== TheMuso pitches in with uus.
Hobbsee	TheMuso: great :)	11:28
Hobbsee	TheMuso: i dont suppose you'd be interested in that xgl, or some of the other bugs lingering there?	11:28
Q-FUNK	Hobbsee: sad to see it go that far, but fair enough.	11:28
\sh	how nice...ubuntu linux on dell comes to europe	11:28
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Q-FUNK	bug 130648	11:29
TheMuso	Hobbsee: I'll just work from bottom upwards for the moment.	11:29
ubotu	Launchpad bug 130648 in devscripts "requestsync: guess whether sponsor is requested automatically" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/130648	11:29
coNP	Okay, then I bug TheMuso as well with MyFavouritePetBug :)	11:29
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=== norsetto is glad he is not the only one to make silly typing mistakes
Q-FUNK	it's not the silver bullet, but it would help a lot if this were implemented.	11:29
Hobbsee	Q-FUNK: unfortunately, membership gives the ubuntu.com address, not MOTU.	11:30
Hobbsee	so detecting by ubuntu.com address wouldnt help - you'd really need a DB of all the public keys of the MOTU's, and to compare it that way. which is rather unfeasible.	11:30
=== ajmitch should expire as both motu & member soonish
Hobbsee	Likewise, if someone needs sponsorship, it implies that the bug should NOT be marked as Confirmed automatically in the syn request message's body.	11:30
Hobbsee	^ already happens	11:30
Q-FUNK	Hobbsee: yes, pitti already pointed that out. still, members would already know a lot more about the correct procedures than outsiders.	11:31
coNP	Don't we have some remote LP interfaces?	11:31
Hobbsee	coNP: gpg signed mail? yes	11:31
coNP	E.g. bughelper uses somethign like thes.	11:31
coNP	Not thiniking of gpg signed mails :)	11:31
Hobbsee	Q-FUNK: btw, there is a manpage there now. or will be, after the freeze. unsure	11:31
Hobbsee	coNP: oh, there's text modes, iirc	11:31
Q-FUNK	Hobbsee: yes, I recall seeing that here last night.	11:31
coNP	Just that you could be able to fetch the members of a group	11:31
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ajmitch	coNP: yes, that's possible - slightly slow though	11:32
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coNP	Okay you don't file sync requests all the time.	11:32
ajmitch	eg https://launchpad.net/~motu/+rdf	11:32
coNP	At least you shouldn't :)	11:32
StevenK	Hobbsee: It was built and published last night.	11:32
StevenK	Hobbsee: (devscripts with requestsync manual page)	11:33
Hobbsee	coNP: particularly as MOTU gets bigger, that gets longer. syncing the keyring for revu takes 10-15 minutes. i dont remember which	11:33
Hobbsee	StevenK: neat!	11:33
Hobbsee	Q-FUNK: there you go then.	11:33
ajmitch	coNP: most of that is due to gpg taking a long time	11:33
ajmitch	s/conP/hobbsee/	11:33
Q-FUNK	Hobbsee: here, i just "fixed" the issue by making an alias where requestsync is really 'requestsync -s' but this might not be so obvious to any random debian or ubuntu user who just means well by reporting a newer package.	11:33
coNP	That is okay. But for having a look at some format of https://launchpad.net/~motu/+rdf should be done in some seconds.	11:33
coNP	That could be feasible with requestsync, IMHO.	11:34
Hobbsee	ajmitch: true that	11:34
coNP	The version of Q-FUNK seems very reasonable for me. For those, who know they are MOTUs, can unalias.	11:34
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Hobbsee	ajmitch: the votes were done, so...	11:37
ajmitch	but dholbach is on holiday	11:37
Hobbsee	ajmitch: i'm assuming it'll wait till dholbach gets back, unless someone pushes it	11:37
ajmitch	and he's the only group admin	11:37
Hobbsee	ajmitch: LP guys probably wouldnt say no to giving someone else admin rights	11:37
ajmitch	so the rest of us can get kicked off the team	11:37
ajmitch	(about time, too)	11:37
Hobbsee	(they didtn for irc, where Seveas took a sabatical)	11:37
Hobbsee	heh :)	11:37
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TheMuso	ajmitch: Sounds lovely. CPU hog I assume.	11:39
ajmitch	TheMuso: at least it runs niced so it doesn't put the cpu at full speed	11:39
ajmitch	but it hits the disk a lot	11:39
TheMuso	Right.	11:39
Hobbsee	coNP: btw, when you make uploads which add patches, could you add the name of the patch into the changelog each time? (i'm looking at tilda)	11:39
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=== ajmitch would love to upload this new f-spot
coNP	It is a shame, I did not :)	11:40
Hobbsee	ajmitch: you can. it'll sit in the queue, though	11:40
Hobbsee	coNP: :)	11:40
ajmitch	I can	11:40
Hobbsee	coNP: yeah, i thought you usually did	11:40
ajmitch	but it still segfaults mono on exit	11:40
coNP	Hobbsee: yeah, this is an old of mine. Actually I wonder why that got uploaded. I did a bugfix without using the patch system.	11:40
Hobbsee	lp #63098	11:41
ubotu	Launchpad bug 63098 in tilda "Tilda segfaults if hotkeys are not prefixed (eventually with "None+")" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/63098	11:41
coNP	Yes, this is the debdiff that should not have been even accepted :)	11:41
Hobbsee	heh	11:41
Hobbsee	oh well.	11:41
coNP	Hobbsee: now this is fixed in Debian.	11:41
=== Hobbsee ack's the sync, still being unable to tell if all the changes are actually there :)
Hobbsee	coNP: yeah, that's waht i'd guessed from the debian bug	11:42
coNP	Hobbsee: the tilda in Ubuntu now is seriously broken.	11:42
coNP	The Debian is good. :)	11:42
Hobbsee	oh dear	11:42
coNP	Has the patches, and only the patches that are needed.	11:42
Hobbsee	yep	11:42
ajmitch	shame, f-spot doesn't have facebook or myspace export support yet :)	11:43
=== TheMuso is working on telepathy-gabble
coNP	ajmitch: and picasaweb is br0ken as well :(	11:43
TheMuso	Just waiting for it to build.	11:43
ajmitch	coNP: I have 0.4.0	11:43
coNP	ajmitch: yes, it has also broken. At least upstream tgz without patches.	11:43
Hobbsee	darn. i'll actually have to touch some of Q-FUNK's bugs, to get the bugs here down.	11:44
ajmitch	not that I have a picasaweb account to test with	11:44
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coNP	It is easy to get once you have a gmail account	11:44
ajmitch	probably is	11:44
coNP	It is some gnome-keyring crash BTW.	11:44
=== ajmitch should test it out
=== Hobbsee wonders if there's any point requesting a sync for something that's only relibtoolised.
TheMuso	Hobbsee: I'd say not, as its only for building the package.	11:45
ajmitch	coNP: running on a standard ubuntu desktop, not kubuntu or xubuntu?	11:45
TheMuso	afaik it doesn't affect the deb.	11:45
Hobbsee	TheMuso: that's what i thought - we'd normally relibtoolise while building.	11:46
TheMuso	Yup.	11:46
coNP	ajmitch: more-or-less standard. Ubuntu-desktop, a few KDE packages and Xubuntu is almost completly installed as well.	11:46
Hobbsee	even with the new autoconf and automake	11:46
ajmitch	coNP: I'm able to upload (just setup the picasaweb account)	11:47
coNP	ajmitch: 0.4.0?	11:48
ajmitch	yes	11:48
coNP	I might have ruined my gnome-keyring.	11:48
coNP	It does not work.	11:48
ajmitch	most importantly, the gnome keyring daemon is running in my session	11:48
ajmitch	I have no patches against 0.4.0 except some minor makefile changes	11:48
=== ajmitch is testing by uploading old uds photos
Q-FUNK	Hobbsee: :D	11:50
Hobbsee	Q-FUNK: oh, only a couple. which got rejected.	11:50
Q-FUNK	Hobbsee: that happens.	11:50
Hobbsee	Q-FUNK: sync requests getting rejected? true.	11:50
Hobbsee	it's annoying, though	11:50
Q-FUNK	sometimes.	11:51
TheMuso	Hobbsee: gah you beat me to it.	11:54
Q-FUNK	some syncs are mostly nice-to-have, while others will actually result in user cringing over not getting the latest of their pet package.	11:54
TheMuso	I said I was doing telepathy-gabble	11:54
Hobbsee	TheMuso: oh, sorry!	11:55
ajmitch	bad Hobbsee	11:55
Hobbsee	TheMuso: it clearly didtn penetrate my brain enough	11:55
TheMuso	Hobbsee: Obviously.	11:55
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Hobbsee	Q-FUNK: indeed. one hopes that the people requesting sponsorship learn which category an arbitary sync fits into, too.	11:56
Hobbsee	TheMuso: again, apologies :(	11:56
TheMuso	Anybody doingn griffith?	11:56
TheMuso	If not, its mine.	11:56
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Q-FUNK	Hobbsee: sigh there you go again...	11:56
Hobbsee	TheMuso: it looks fine. i'm currently writing a sync-acker.	11:57
TheMuso	Hobbsee: Ok.	11:57
Hobbsee	which i wsa thinking of testing on that, but any arbitary bug will do	11:57
Hobbsee	or, attempting to	11:57
TheMuso	upgrade-system is mine if nobody else has it.	11:58
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geser	where is the right place to ask about ubuntuforums? I wanted to register the same nick as I use on LP and IRC and failed	12:12
Hobbsee	geser: #ubuntuforums	12:13
TheMuso	Hobbsee: Did you end up doing griffith?	12:17
TheMuso	as its still in the queue.	12:18
Hobbsee	TheMuso: just sending it now	12:18
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TheMuso	Hobbsee: Ok.	12:18
Hobbsee	my python is terrible, so...	12:18
=== TheMuso grabs turkey if nobody else has it.
Hobbsee	TheMuso: go for it. i'ts a SRU	12:19
TheMuso	oh	12:19
Hobbsee	oh, wai	12:20
Hobbsee	t	12:20
Hobbsee	TheMuso: my bad. i cant read tongiht	12:20
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Hobbsee	morning Kmos	12:24
Kmos	Hobbsee: hi! morning :)	12:24
Hobbsee	:)	12:24
Kmos	Hobbsee: you got some time to check the stunnel4 debdiff ?	12:25
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Hobbsee	oh neat, malone by email works	12:33
TheMuso	norsetto: re turkey, is there a reason why you bumped the standards version?	12:33
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norsetto	TheMuso: beside making it up to date, no	12:34
=== Hobbsee --> dinner
TheMuso	norsetto: Ok.	12:35
TheMuso	c	12:45
TheMuso	ugh	12:45
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norsetto	TheMuso: if you think that is bad, try mail-notify .....	12:52
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white	Hobbsee: /join debian.au	12:54
TheMuso	white: She's at dinner.	12:54
white	TheMuso: it was more a way to say that there is a new debian.au channel on #oftc :)	12:55
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TheMuso	oh ok.	12:55
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RainCT	what is $@ in bash?	12:56
TheMuso	RainCT: All command-line arguments.	12:57
RainCT	same as $* ?	12:57
TheMuso	Not sure.	12:57
norsetto	IIRC $@ and $* differs in between double-quotes	12:59
Yagisan	yay. my new box is almost fully operational	12:59
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Nafallo	Yagisan: LTNS	01:00
StevenK	$* is "$@"	01:00
RainCT	ok thx	01:00
Yagisan	Nafallo, !	01:00
Yagisan	Nafallo, it is mate.	01:00
StevenK	Yagisan: Almost?	01:00
Nafallo	Yagisan: :-)	01:00
Yagisan	StevenK, well I had to sneakernet a new kernel over for the tribe3 cd, as I had no networking	01:00
StevenK	Heh	01:00
Yagisan	I'm in a vesa mode now	01:00
Yagisan	as my 8500GT isn't recodniged	01:01
StevenK	That's what you get for running Gutsy. :-P	01:01
Yagisan	as judging by the size of the fontds	01:01
Yagisan	I'm 1024x768 or less	01:01
Yagisan	but but	01:01
Yagisan	fesity won't get net drivers for me	01:01
RainCT	norsetto: what do you mean?	01:01
Yagisan	U already saw the bug report	01:01
Yagisan	gah	01:01
Yagisan	son heling me type	01:02
StevenK	I see that.	01:02
StevenK	He seems to have a handle on Shift and Backspace already	01:02
Yagisan	my pc is silent now. :D	01:02
StevenK	I've had a silent PC for months and months. :-)	01:02
Yagisan	I went down to MSY	01:03
norsetto	RainCT: I only remember that they behaved differently in that case, don't remember why and how though, StevenK said $* is "$@"	01:03
Yagisan	the ultimo store. Been there yet StevenK ?	01:03
Yagisan	dumb question time. this is my first smp system, so is one cpu supposed to hog all the interrupts ?	01:06
norsetto	RaintCT: this link might help http://tldp.org/LDP/abs/html/internalvariables.html#ARGLIST ($* -> All of the positional parameters, seen as a single word)	01:11
norsetto	RainCT: $@Same as $*, but each parameter is a quoted string, that is, the parameters are passed on intact, without interpretation or expansion.	01:12
\sh	Yagisan: depends..without a running irqbalance cpu 0 (means the 1st cpu) will catch all irqs (so all IO is going through cpu0)	01:12
Yagisan	g'day \sh - haven't seen you in a very long time	01:13
\sh	Yagisan: just sitting here and rant sometimes ,->	01:14
Yagisan	hmm. that must not be a part of the standard install	01:14
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Yagisan	my first dual core box to play with :D	01:14
\sh	Yagisan:	01:14
\sh	shermann@DT0225:~$ apt-cache search irqbalance	01:14
\sh	irqbalance - Daemon to balance interrupts for SMP systems	01:14
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\sh	Yagisan: but there are problems with SMP Opterons and irqbalance before vanilla 2.6.20.x	01:16
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\sh	Yagisan: in some rare situations the kernel just locks up..you can see it when you try to access /proc fs...this is a known kernel bug in amd64 kernel <2.6.20 and is fixed in >=2.6.20.x	01:17
Yagisan	can't be worse thern my power supply blowing up on saturday	01:17
Yagisan	beware - dust bunnies are a hazard to pc's	01:17
TheMuso	norsetto: Have you thought of filing a separate bug asking for turkey to be moved into multiverse? This should be done, as the package now depends on sun-java6-bin which is multiverse.	01:19
TheMuso	So until it gets moved, the package shouldn't be uploaded with the changes.	01:19
norsetto	TheMuso: when I discussed with Hobbsee we just agreed to leave a note for the archive admins; would it be better to file a separate bug?	01:20
\sh	Yagisan: well, it's been a problem when you have >600 servers running into this problem ,-)	01:21
\sh	Yagisan: and only one other guy is reporting this very shitty problem on lkml ,-)	01:21
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Yagisan	\sh, if I had > 600 servers, I'd be in nerd heaven :D	01:22
TheMuso	norsetto: hmmm. I would think so, only because sun-java6-bin is multiverse, and a package from universe can't be installed if it has a multiverse dep.	01:22
TheMuso	norsetto: And how would you let the admins know that the note is there?	01:22
\sh	Yagisan: ok.,..then I'm already there ,-)	01:22
norsetto	TheMuso: ok, so the aa do not read the bug, just archive?	01:23
norsetto	TheMuso: let me ask in devel	01:24
TheMuso	norsetto: They would read it if the ubuntu-archive team was subscribed, and then they'd need to see a good description in the bug, otherwise they'd ignore/reject it.	01:24
norsetto	TheMuso: ok, so I just ask the aa to move it to multiverse, and then it is patch?	01:25
norsetto	s/patch/patched	01:25
TheMuso	norsetto: Yeah I think we upload the change once in multiverse...	01:25
TheMuso	But yeah I'd ask in -devel.	01:25
norsetto	TheMuso: ok	01:26
Fujitsu	You can have it moved afterwards.	01:26
TheMuso	Fujitsu: Oh ok.	01:26
Fujitsu	And ask for it to be given-back once moved.	01:26
Fujitsu	Or it might do that automatically.	01:26
TheMuso	Well the dependency is not a build-dep.	01:26
Fujitsu	OK, it doesn't matter when you do it then.	01:27
norsetto	I'm amenable on any option; let me know what is best for you	01:27
TheMuso	norsetto: Ok, I'll upload, but I think a separate bug to ask for amove may be a better idea. Fujitsu WHat do you think?	01:27
Fujitsu	You could poke an archive person in -devel, but they may want a trail.	01:28
norsetto	or poke asking if they want a bug for asking ;-)	01:28
Fujitsu	Or just poke and wait for them to object.	01:28
RainCT	norsetto: thanks :)	01:29
norsetto	RaintCT: np, quite a good guide that	01:29
TheMuso	norsetto: If you don't mind, can you follow it up? I'll upload, but I am trying to track down some accessibility stuff I want to get in for tribe, so if you could, that would be appreciated.	01:29
norsetto	TheMuso: np at all, thx for your work, much appreciated	01:30
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tedp	how often are new versions of packages pulled from debian? in this case i'm considering ccontrol which is exactly the debian package, rebuilt	01:43
tedp	or is it manual?	01:43
pygi	tedp, right now it's manual	01:43
tedp	ok	01:43
StevenK	It is automatic earlier in the release, up until DebianImportFreeze	01:44
pygi	tedp, you can however request sync from debian	01:44
tedp	well ccontrol in ubuntu is apparently unusable at the moment	01:44
tedp	bug 109157 as i mentioned a few hours ago	01:44
ubotu	Launchpad bug 109157 in ccontrol "ccontrol SEGVs on startup" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/109157	01:44
tedp	maybe someone has already acted on it	01:45
pygi	is that (ccontrol) that automated testing thingy?	01:45
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tedp	um... it's for customising make/gcc/ld args	01:46
pygi	oh well :)	01:46
pygi	tedp, well, does it work in gutsy?	01:46
tedp	probably not. there's a bug report saying it doesn't work in feisty	01:46
tedp	i have no ubuntu machines, but apparently (as debian maintainer) i am ubuntu maintainer as well	01:47
tedp	which is fine, but i don't know how to ask for it to rebuild, which is why i came here	01:47
tedp	new version has only minor changes; http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/c/ccontrol/current/changelog#versionversion0.9.1_20060806-3	01:47
pygi	tedp, if all that was needed from feisty was rebuild, then in gutsy you've got one	01:48
pygi	lemme see	01:48
pygi	tedp, well, we can request a sync of -3 package if you wish?	01:52
Hobbsee	TheMuso: the component thing also picks it up, btw.	01:52
TheMuso	Hobbsee: ??	01:53
tedp	pygi: -3 would be a good idea	01:53
Hobbsee	TheMuso: so filing bugs about dropping packages to multiverse isnt really needed - it's tracked in other ways. of course, whether anyone looks at it is an interesting question	01:53
pygi	tedp, ok, lemme open a request, and you chime in on the bug :)	01:53
TheMuso	Oh ok.	01:53
tedp	ok	01:53
tedp	i just set myself as the bug contact for ccontrol, so i might react to problems a bit sooner in future	01:53
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TheMuso	s/live CD/live CD accessibility/	01:54
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pygi	tedp, that's nice =)	01:54
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pygi	tedp, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ccontrol/+bug/130845	01:59
ubotu	Launchpad bug 130845 in ccontrol "[sync request] ccontrol 0.9.1+20060806-3 [Debian Main - Unstable] " [Undecided,New]	01:59
tedp	ta	01:59
pygi	tedp, just chime in and say it's all fine :)	02:01
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tedp	ok, done	02:04
pygi	tedp, thanks	02:06
Fujitsu	Hobbsee: Doesn't anastacia only handle universe->main?	02:08
Hobbsee	Fujitsu: hrm. it seems to now. when i last looked at it, i'm sure it did universe too.	02:09
elmargol	If I start an application using "start-stop-daemon --start --background --chuid gnunet --pidfile /var/run/gnunetd/gnunetd.pid --exec /usr/bin/gnunetd -- -c /etc/gnunetd.conf"	02:14
elmargol	the application starts twice ... any ideas?	02:15
coNP	Is it a server? With the possibility of a prefork mechanism?	02:16
\sh	one root and one with another user? prefork I would guess	02:16
elmargol	maybe I should remove the --background	02:17
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xxxxx1	good morning all!	02:24
xxxxx1	:)	02:24
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coNP	hey xxxxx1	02:27
xxxxx1	hello coNP	02:27
xxxxx1	ScottK, PM?	02:28
gnomefreak	its not enough to remove a package from control file for it not to be build (binary)	02:39
gnomefreak	?	02:39
coNP	Are you sure there is no control.in?	02:40
gnomefreak	there isnt	02:40
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Hobbsee	gnomefreak: yeah	02:41
Hobbsee	gnomefreak: usually a good idea to remove the packagename.* files too, etc.	02:41
gnomefreak	checking for clutter in rules as well	02:41
Hobbsee	from debian	02:41
Hobbsee	from debian/	02:41
gnomefreak	Hobbsee: yeah i thought of that :)(	02:41
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Hobbsee	also, if it's replaced by something else, or something...	02:42
Hobbsee	no point leaving a stale binary on someone's system	02:42
gnomefreak	nope just dropping it as its empty	02:42
Hobbsee	ah	02:43
norsetto	TheMuso: if you have not yet uploaded the patch in bug 129742, please don't. I need to make a change following discussion with the archive-admins	02:43
ubotu	Launchpad bug 129742 in turkey "[ftbfs] turkey ftbfs on gutsy" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/129742	02:43
TheMuso	norsetto: I already have.	02:44
RainCT	what is Debian's http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu url?	02:44
TheMuso	Yet it is waiting for approval.	02:44
TheMuso	norsetto: You could ask for it to be rejected in the queue.	02:44
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norsetto	TheMuso: how?	02:44
TheMuso	norsetto: Pitti lets universe stuff through, as the archive is frozen for tribe. Simply state that it was uploaded, and not yet approved, and subject to the above conversation, ask him to reject it.	02:45
norsetto	TheMuso: ok, thx	02:46
TheMuso	c	02:46
TheMuso	ugh	02:46
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Hobbsee	RainCT: ftp.debian.org	02:47
Fujitsu	Hobbsee: Noooo, that's often woefully out of date.	02:47
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RainCT	Hobbsee: thanks	02:52
gnomefreak	ty Hobbsee :)	02:52
Hobbsee	Fujitsu: which is the correct one, then?	02:52
Fujitsu	The master is ftp-master.d.o, AFAIK, but that's not publicly accessible.	02:52
geser	correct	02:52
Fujitsu	You're meant to use your local mirror.	02:52
Fujitsu	ftp.debian.org is a mirror like any other, except it (is\|was) out of disk space.	02:53
geser	one of the push-mirrors would be a good choice, but I don't know if there is a list	02:53
StevenK	There is a better mirror than ftp.d.o, but it's DD only	02:53
Hobbsee	Fujitsu: ah right	02:53
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xxxxx1	hmm	02:56
=== TheMuso uses internode. They have a good mirror now.
xxxxx1	sun-java6 packages on gutsy looks broken	02:56
xxxxx1	O_o	02:56
StevenK	TheMuso: Better yet, you can actually connect to it if you're not on internode.	02:56
TheMuso	StevenK: Yeah I know.	02:57
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RainCT	pidgin crashed :/	02:57
StevenK	TheMuso: That changed only recently.	02:58
TheMuso	StevenK: Yeah I know.	02:58
ScottK	xxxxx1: Sure, in 5-10 minutes I'll be available.	03:04
xxxxx1	cool	03:04
RainCT	ScottK: Hi. I've something to test for you when you've time :)	03:07
ScottK	xxxxx1: Any time.	03:12
ScottK	RainCT: What is it?	03:12
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ScottK	RainCT: What is it you wanted me to test?	03:19
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RainCT	ScottK: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/32922/	03:29
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RainCT	15 minutes to upload 2 kb... and they call this a connection :/	03:30
ScottK	Wow.	03:30
ScottK	You can remove warty\|hoary\|breezy\| for a start.	03:30
ScottK	Aslo you should give Laserjock (Jordan Mantha) a credit too, unless you went back to the pbuilder examples and started over.	03:31
ScottK	aslo/also	03:32
ScottK	Why do you enable multiverse for Ubuntu and not non-free for Debian?	03:32
RainCT	(why can't nobody put their name on the top of the scripts they touch? xD tought he was just hosting it)	03:33
RainCT	what's laserjock's mail addr?	03:34
ScottK	Because he just slammed it together for his own use and the popped it onto the page never imagining it would get a huge amount of use.	03:34
ScottK	I'll look.	03:34
ScottK	RainCT: He lists several. I'd go with mantha@ubuntu.com.	03:38
RainCT	thx	03:38
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RainCT	(http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/32923/)	03:42
ScottK	I'm making a new pbuilder with the other one right now. Seems to work fine.	03:43
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RainCT	:)	03:47
ScottK	RainCT: For debian, I'd suggest you also accept release names. I tried sid and got Warning: Unknown distribution sid	03:47
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RainCT	ok, what releases has debian?	03:49
ScottK	currently sarge=oldstable, etch=stable, lenny=testing, sid=unstable.	03:49
ScottK	Sid is always unstable.	03:50
RainCT	(the Debian repository converts the names itself, or?)	03:51
ScottK	IIRC yes.	03:51
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broonie	Yes. Uploads to debian should always use the symbolic name.	03:51
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ScottK	broonie: This is for a pbuilder creation script, not for anything that would affect uploads.	03:53
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geser	AndyP: are planing to merge xpdf?	04:11
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ScottK	coNP: I think your script upate is in pretty good shape.	04:16
ScottK	There's a (I think) dev-tools or some such project on Launchpad. I'd encourage you to add that to it and then talk to StevenK about maybe adding it to devscripts.	04:17
ScottK	Gotta run. I'll be back later.	04:17
geser	ubuntu-dev-tools in bzr	04:18
ScottK	coNP: ^^^ That one.	04:18
coNP	What script?	04:18
coNP	Hey, ScottK, OTOH :)	04:19
ScottK	Sorry.	04:19
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ScottK	RainCT: ^^^^	04:19
coNP	np	04:19
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ScottK	Cool.	04:19
RainCT	I'm pushing it there :)	04:20
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stgraber	RainCT: Maybe you can add arch support to your script so we can have a gutsy-i386 and a gutsy-amd64 pbuilder ? (--binary-arch IIRC)	04:25
superm1	ScottK, mythbuntu-lirc-generator just cleared binary NEW. was it you or TheMuso who was going to upload mythbuntu-live-autostart after it did (it depends on mythbuntu-lirc-generator)?	04:26
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bddebian	Heya gang	04:50
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geser	Hi bddebian	04:52
bddebian	Heya geser	04:53
RainCT	stgraber: ok will look at it later	04:53
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norsetto	if any u-u-s could look at bug 13860 would be cool (so we can finally get rid of the bugger....)	04:58
ubotu	Launchpad bug 13860 in debian-installer "user, timezone, gmt questions would be better asked earlier" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/13860	04:58
norsetto	heck, make it 130860 :-)	04:58
norsetto	ubotu: bug 130860 pls.	04:58
ubotu	Launchpad bug 130860 in turkey "turkey should be executed with the sun jvm java interpreter" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/130860	04:59
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RainCT	stgraber: only i386 and amd64?	05:20
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stgraber	RainCT: yes, as you can find CPU running both amd64 and i386 (amd64 ones), but none running amd64 and powerpc or things like that	05:24
stgraber	RainCT: so amd64 and i386 for a basic use is fine	05:24
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stgraber	RainCT: best would be : if current arch is amd64 allow i386 and amd64	05:25
stgraber	RainCT: otherwise only allow the current arch	05:25
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pef	hello	05:33
RainCT	do you know how I can get the arch?	05:33
azeem	dpkg-architecture	05:34
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RainCT	oh, thanks	05:35
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norsetto	geser: thx :-)	05:46
NeilW	Which dh_ script installs the README.Debian file in the documentation directory?	05:47
norsetto	dh_installdocs	05:48
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NeilW	Ta	05:51
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Megaqwerty	Could anyone tell me if it's possible to make dch automatically insert my gpg key into the changelog?	06:06
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coNP	Megaqwerty: why do you want your gpg key inserted?	06:06
Megaqwerty	coNP: So I don't have to do it manually every time.	06:07
coNP	You don't have to insert your gpg key into the changelog.	06:07
Megaqwerty	coNP: for signing the sources you do	06:07
Megaqwerty	at least with debuild....	06:08
coNP	But you don't insert it to the changelog.	06:08
Megaqwerty	Okay, where would you insert it then?	06:08
coNP	You "debuild -S" to get the source package signed	06:08
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Megaqwerty	right	06:09
minghua	GPG keys and GPG signatures are different things.	06:09
Megaqwerty	minghua: yeah, sorry that's what I meant	06:09
coNP	Are you supposed to insert either your signature or key in the changelog?	06:10
coNP	Sorry, I really think I don't understand the situation.	06:10
Megaqwerty	For example, at the bottom I put:	06:11
Megaqwerty	-- My Name (Repository Key) <myemail@something.com> Date Time -0700	06:11
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Hobbsee	coNP: you may want to check "man debuild", so as not to give out incorrect information	06:11
minghua	Megaqwerty: Just make sure you GPG key id (you can check with "gpg --list-secret-keys") and your debian/changelog entry is exactly the same, then debuild should automatically sign it.	06:11
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Megaqwerty	minghua: that's not the problem	06:12
minghua	Megaqwerty: You still need to give the passphrase, of course.	06:12
Megaqwerty	That much I know	06:12
coNP	Hobbsee: what do you mean by incorrect information?	06:12
Hobbsee	coNP: particularly with the -S option	06:12
Megaqwerty	I just wanted to know if there was a way to have dch automatically put (Repository Key) in there	06:12
Megaqwerty	without me having to enter it manually every time	06:12
broonie	Megaqwerty: Set the DEBFULLNAME environment variable.	06:13
coNP	I guess you can set DEBFULLNAME "Name (Repository Key)".	06:13
Hobbsee	coNP: debuild -S builds the source. -S is not "please sign me"	06:13
Megaqwerty	coNP: broonie thanks, that's what I wanted to know	06:13
Hobbsee	coNP: as in, you have debuild (-b), or debuild -S	06:13
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Hobbsee	coNP: no problem, just a heads up :)	06:13
coNP	I seems I've never built an unsigned source package :)	06:13
Hobbsee	coNP: debuild always tries to sign it regardless	06:14
Hobbsee	Megaqwerty: you can set GPGKEY=12345678 in .bashrc which is also useful	06:14
Hobbsee	and amounts to the same purpose	06:15
Megaqwerty	Hobbsee: yeah, already had that one	06:15
Megaqwerty	Hobbsee: thanks though.	06:15
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RainCT	stgraber: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/32935/ test please :)+	06:17
Megaqwerty	Hobbsee: damn. It works, but it then inserts the Key into the portion where it puts [Name] * Change goes here	06:17
Megaqwerty	as well	06:17
Megaqwerty	Oh well, holding down the delete key is easier than typing I guess :-P	06:17
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stgraber	RainCT: Thanks, will do a bit later	06:23
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Riddell	siretart: revu broke?	06:46
mruiz	Riddell: tiber is offline	06:48
Riddell	ok	06:48
mruiz	Riddell: more information about this issue -> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/loco-contacts/2007-August/001506.html	06:50
Riddell	ooh, maybe it'll get faster if it's in the data centre	06:53
superm1	mruiz, Do these happen to be in the same DC as the servers brandon was hosting for ubuntu studio, mythbuntu : or are those a diff situation?	06:53
mruiz	superm1, sorry but I don't know about those servers...	06:55
superm1	imbrandon, are you here?	06:55
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elkbuntu	i think the loco boxes live at serverpronto	06:57
RainCT	TheMuso: when you get a moment: https://code.launchpad.net/~rainct/ubuntu-dev-tools/dev :)	06:57
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RainCT	(well, wait, I'm going to do some more changes)	07:02
nixternal	superm1: nice cpux logo :)	07:04
nixternal	RainCT: what are you doing with the dev-tools? makin' um cooler? :)	07:05
RainCT	nixternal: yep, modifying pbuilder-dist today :)	07:06
nixternal	ooh, lovely!	07:06
nixternal	let us know when it is safe to checkout, or are you planning on updating the package as well?	07:06
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nixternal	hrmm, I thought there was a package... /me bzr up's	07:07
RainCT	(some days ago I rewrote suspicious-source, unified all headers to look the same and finished the README file, and some other changes in one or two scripts)	07:07
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RainCT	nixternal: there's a debian/ dir	07:07
RainCT	but I've no idea if it works	07:08
nixternal	ya, maybe I just checked them out and threw then in /usr/local/bin	07:08
RainCT	and about the the other question, I'd say it's safe right now but if you wait a bit it will be better :)	07:09
nixternal	rock on with your badself then :)	07:09
nixternal	maybe I should just subscribe to the branch then :)	07:09
NeilW	Another dh_installdocs question. Is dh_installdocs -i supposed to put the README.Debian inside all the relevant packages? If not how the devil do you do it?	07:12
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RainCT	btw, is it intended for ln that if you use it like "ln -s ./example ~/example" it creates a symlink to "./example" (literally, which of course fails)?	07:15
imbrandon	superm1: yea I'm here ( only for moments ) trying to get everything up asap in the new DC, its a long long story and isnt related to the canonical dc issues	07:18
imbrandon	i'll post on imbrandon.com with updates even if i'm not on irc, keep an eye out	07:19
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Nafallo	Canonical DC issues?	07:42
=== Nafallo haven't seen any.
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RainCT	is there a command to install the dependencies of a local package source?	07:47
RainCT	s/of/for	07:47
Toadstool	RainCT: dependencies or build-dependencies ?	07:52
RainCT	build dependencies	07:52
Toadstool	apt-get build-dep	07:52
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RainCT	if it isn't in the repositories?	07:53
Toadstool	oh	07:53
geser	pbuilder has a script for it	07:53
Toadstool	/usr/lib/pbuilder/pbuilder-satisfydepends	07:54
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coNP	the -gdebi one seems faster for me	07:55
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geser	the -gdebi one is really faster	07:55
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RainCT	Toadstool: nice, thx :)	07:58
RainCT	COPYING can be deleted from ubuntu-dev-tools, or?	07:59
RainCT	there're already GPL-2 and -3	07:59
geser	I'd say yes	08:00
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LaserJock	ScottK: around?	08:03
RainCT	uh.. on debian/copyright it says what license each script has, but the GPL text there says "either version X or later" and not all have later as license afaik	08:03
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superm1	nixternal, i didn't want to put too much effort into the logo, just something basic atm. so feel free to wipe it with something better if you want	08:07
nixternal	it works for the time being :)	08:07
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geser	RainCT: improve it then, I tried my best to mention all licenses in debian/copyright	08:07
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RainCT	geser: removed the "or later" and added "The following of the scripts can be used, at your option, regarding any later version	08:13
RainCT	of the previously specified license:" on the bottom. is it ok like that?	08:13
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geser	yes	08:14
ScottK	LaserJock: Around now.	08:14
superm1	could someone sponsor an upload of a new upstream version of mythbuntu-live-autostart? Its in a bzr branch	08:19
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LaserJock	ScottK: I got an email back from the guy that wrote the pbuilder-dist script in 2004 :-)	08:20
Lutin	cypherbios: around ?	08:23
cypherbios	Lutin: yep	08:23
Lutin	cypherbios: heya! was just wondering .. is it ok to sync/fakesync aptoncd from debian, or are there ubuntu changes you want to keep ?	08:24
LaserJock	ScottK: so I'll be able to put a proper GPL header in there and fix up the scrip in ubuntu-dev-tools	08:24
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cypherbios	heya Lutin, thanks for working on it. I'm going to upload a new package, most likely tomorrow, so I think the fakesync won't be necessary anymore	08:25
RainCT	nixternal: uploaded. :) http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~rainct/ubuntu-dev-tools/dev	08:26
Lutin	cypherbios: you mean, in debian ?	08:26
cypherbios	Lutin: the version in Debian is > than the Ubuntu one	08:26
Lutin	yep	08:27
cypherbios	Lutin: I'll make packages for both debian and ubuntu separately	08:27
cypherbios	Lutin: I think Debian still not supporting dh_iconcache, then I think this will be the only thing I'll need to change between both in the debian/rules	08:28
Lutin	cypherbios: ok	08:30
cypherbios	Does anyone know if the latest Debian's debhelper has dh_iconcache already?	08:30
RainCT	nixternal: ah, and I tried building it. I'd say it works fine but it creates an empty /usr/lib dir and all manpages are missing	08:30
Lutin	cypherbios: doesn't seem to have it	08:31
cypherbios	Lutin: does it has any alternative?	08:31
geser	cypherbios: iirc dh_icons does a similar thing	08:31
geser	it should be in a recent debhelper	08:32
ScottK	LaserJock: That's great. RainCT has been doing some more work with it to build on what you did.	08:32
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cypherbios	geser: I'll give it a try. Thanks	08:34
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LaserJock	RainCT: oh?	08:34
cypherbios	geser: Feisty's debhelper doesn't has dh_icons, does it?	08:34
geser	it's very recent	08:34
RainCT	LaserJock: yes, I've been working on it today. moment I give you the url	08:34
RainCT	LaserJock: http://codebrowse.launchpad.net/~rainct/ubuntu-dev-tools/dev/annotate/siggi.gevatter%40gmail.com-20070807182003-eikei2zvw1xix0p2?file_id=pbuilderdist-20070509231419-byejr3u90tf401in-1	08:35
geser	cypherbios: dh_icons: New program to update Freedesktop icon caches. (included since debhelper 5.0.51)	08:35
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cypherbios	geser: So dh_icons is better rather than the old dh_iconcache, right?	08:40
geser	dh_iconcache was Ubuntu-specific	08:41
cypherbios	as dh_icons is available on both ubuntu gutsy and debian unstable/testing	08:41
cypherbios	geser: hmm, I didn't know that	08:41
geser	look inside the scripts to know if they do the same or different think	08:41
LaserJock	RainCT: one addition I think that would be useful would being able to switch on/off Universe/Multiverse	08:42
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RainCT	LaserJock: ..where could I place the argument? before the operation or what?	08:46
RainCT	(like with the i386/amd64)	08:47
RainCT	(btw, are main and restricted added automatically to the components?)	08:49
LaserJock	yes, main at least is automatic	08:51
LaserJock	I think anyway	08:51
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RainCT	LaserJock: ok. do you have an idea on how to call the parameter to disable them?	08:52
LaserJock	well, it would just be either adding or taking away --other-mirror or your components	08:53
LaserJock	or do you mean Main?	08:53
RainCT	no, I mean how the users activate it	08:54
LaserJock	activates which?	08:54
LaserJock	:-0	08:54
LaserJock	:-) rather	08:54
RainCT	like "pbuilder-dist onlymain ..." or how should they choose they don't want uuniverse	08:54
RainCT	or you mean just editing the file and having there a var for it?	08:55
LaserJock	well, it'd be cool if it could be a flag	08:55
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RainCT	LaserJock: which of the both is a flag? :P	09:01
LaserJock	well, like pbuilder-dist -mainonly or something	09:02
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RainCT	ok	09:03
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RainCT	LaserJock: should I let it disable non-free in Debian?	09:13
RainCT	or also contrib?	09:13
LaserJock	hmm, I don't know	09:14
LaserJock	I guess if you want to be thorough	09:14
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RainCT	hah :)	09:16
ScottK	Not kidding.	09:17
pygi	ScottK, why don't you develop something? :)	09:18
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ScottK	pygi: I conned RainCT into do it. It's practically the same thing.	09:18
pygi	ScottK, you should help him then	09:18
ScottK	That and I'm currently up to my eyeballs in trying to get paid work done.	09:19
ScottK	He's doing fine.	09:19
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RainCT	if I set a variable inside a function, does it still exist outside (in sh)?	09:21
LaserJock	yes	09:21
LaserJock	I believe	09:21
LaserJock	though you shouldn't take my word for it	09:21
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coNP	RainCT: yes, seems so	09:30
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RainCT	http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/32964/	09:35
RainCT	please test :)	09:36
RainCT	LaserJock: added both, a variable on the top of the script to set the default value and mainonly\|allcomp flags	09:37
RainCT	(are u there? :P)	09:43
LaserJock	I'm kinda busy	09:47
ScottK	RainCT: Sorry, I'm tied up right now too.	09:48
Lutin	StevenK: do you mind if I merge cmus ?	09:49
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RainCT	ScottK: woo you are working :) xD	09:55
ScottK	Yes, but it's fun work today.	09:56
ajmitch	morning	10:06
ScottK	Good morning ajmitch.	10:07
RainCT	nixternal: btw, what happens with bug 118361 finally?	10:08
ubotu	Launchpad bug 118361 in plucker "plucker-desktop: Missing menu entry" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/118361	10:08
bddebian	Heya ajmitch	10:08
Lutin	siretart: just want to make sure: is it ok to sync desmume from debian, as it's based on the ubuntu one ?	10:12
superm1	hey bddebian	10:14
RainCT	will it be dificult to get new universe packages into Gutsy after the 30th?	10:15
ajmitch	yes	10:15
RainCT	so Gutsy doesn't accept new packages anymore and they will have to go to G+1 instead?	10:16
bddebian	Heya superm1	10:17
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ajmitch	RainCT: that's pretty much why we freeze	10:17
ScottK	Except Gutsy + 1 repos don't exist until after Gutsy is released, so we work on bug fixing Gutsy from then on.	10:17
RainCT	that's bad :(	10:17
ScottK	No, it's very good.	10:17
superm1	bddebian, would you have a little to sponsor an upload?	10:17
RainCT	for me not	10:17
bddebian	superm1: Possibly, whatcha got?	10:18
RainCT	since I want to get my program into it but I don't know if I'll have enough time (currently broken arm, and I'll also be 1 week away)	10:18
superm1	bddebian, its in a bzr branch. "bzr branch http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~mythbuntu/mythbuntu/mythbuntu-live-autostart" to grab it	10:19
superm1	its a new version	10:19
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bddebian	Ack WTF has everyone gone bzr around here?	10:19
pygi	:D	10:19
ajmitch	bddebian: of course, that's expected	10:19
superm1	bddebian, :)	10:19
moquist	is it acceptable to ask packaging questions in #ubuntu-devel?	10:20
ajmitch	it's only been happening for the last 2 years or so	10:20
RainCT	well, I think I'm going to do a ~pre release and package it tomorrow	10:20
ajmitch	moquist: generally yes, though you may get told to ask them here	10:20
moquist	right	10:20
moquist	ogra told me to ask pitti something, and he's not in here. :)	10:20
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superm1	bddebian, an older version is in gutsy, but was waiting for mythbuntu-lirc-generator to clear binary NEW (which happened this morning) to upload this one since this depends on it now	10:21
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superm1	once you've grabbed the branch, within the main directory of the source type "debian/rules get-orig-source" to build the .orig.tar.gz from bzr	10:21
moquist	well, not that pitti's in #ubuntu-devel right now, either.	10:21
bddebian	Hmm, maybe it'd be good if I just stay gone	10:23
ScottK	bddebian: No. Not everyone has gone bzr happy.	10:25
superm1	bddebian, persia got me started on it, and i've started to take a liking to it for managing what would be native packages in it	10:25
bddebian	OK now how do I build the package? dpkg-buildpackage pukes	10:26
superm1	debuild -S -i -uc -us	10:26
superm1	is how i do it	10:26
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bddebian	Damn, you gonna take dpkg-buildpackage away from me too? Sheesh	10:28
superm1	well dpkg-buildpackage might also accept -i	10:28
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superm1	i've just become accustomed to using debuild instead	10:28
superm1	-i ignores the .bzr .svn or .cvs directories in a package directory	10:29
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superm1	according to man dpkg-buildpackage, it also supports -i	10:30
bddebian	Well it seems fine, have you tested all this crap? :)	10:33
superm1	bddebian, yes.	10:33
superm1	its in use actually already on mythbuntu alpha3	10:34
bddebian	uploaded	10:34
superm1	great thx	10:34
bddebian	NP	10:34
bddebian	I'll get 1 upload in for gutsy at least ;-P	10:34
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mtaylor	ScottK: revu is down?	10:48
ScottK	Is it?	10:48
ScottK	I haven't looked today.	10:48
ScottK	Asking the channel in general is more likely to get you an informative answer.	10:48
mtaylor	my bad. :)	10:49
coNP	It is down for almost one day.	10:50
coNP	mtaylor: I mean REVU ^^	10:50
mtaylor	and if I read the topic...	10:50
mtaylor	I'd see that it's down til tomorrow. I'm observant	10:51
ScottK	No problem. I didn't read /topic either....	10:51
ajmitch	until at least tomorrow	10:52
LaserJock	ajmitch: so what's going to happen for REVU admins?	10:56
ajmitch	no idea	10:57
ajmitch	I've only heard what's been said in here	10:57
ajmitch	revu as it currently is done may need to change	10:58
LaserJock	maybe it's a good time for people to do some REVU hacking?	10:58
LaserJock	:-)	10:59
ajmitch	maybe	10:59
geser	https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/loco-contacts/2007-August/001506.html mentions also tiber	11:04
ajmitch	yes, that's what I'd seen	11:05
ajmitch	no more root access	11:05
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LaserJock	RainCT: so did you commit your changes to your bzr branch on LP?	11:12
RainCT	LaserJock: yes	11:12
ajmitch	LaserJock: so you'll spend your weekend hacking REVU? :)	11:13
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bddebian	What the heck is this now?	11:14
bddebian	This upload awaits approval by a distro manager	11:14
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LaserJock	bddebian: we're frozen for Tribe 4	11:15
bddebian	Ahh	11:15
LaserJock	bddebian: it just takes a manual push for Universe package	11:16
LaserJock	+s	11:16
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LaserJock	ajmitch: no, I don't think I'll be hacking REVU, I had a look at it once and it mostly seemed beyond my python foo	11:16
ajmitch	plus you're on vacation from ubuntu	11:17
LaserJock	ajmitch: oh ... yeah	11:18
ajmitch	:)	11:23
mtaylor	so, given REVU being down, should I just chill out on trying to get some packages sponsored and checked and uploaded and all that?	11:24
NeilW	I've just uploaded a debdiff for bug 88000 that applies a submitted patch. sponsors have been subscribed. Does the review process now happen automatically or is there somebody I should nag? :)	11:25
ubotu	Launchpad bug 88000 in libgems-ruby "bash completion for RubyGems" [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/88000	11:25
LaserJock	mtaylor: it just means REVU is down. I'd probably wait no brand new packages, but bug fixes, etc. are fine	11:26
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mtaylor	LaserJock: ok.	11:26
LaserJock	NeilW: subscribing sponsors is the proper "nag" I think ;-)	11:26
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LaserJock	mtaylor: well you can keep working on the packages	11:27
ajmitch	'fix committed' probably isn't the best bug status	11:27
mtaylor	LaserJock: but of course!	11:28
LaserJock	mtaylor: and if you are itching for a review then you could probably put the package up somewhere and ping somebody :-)	11:28
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Fujitsu	Oh, lovely, no root access on the loco/MOTU boxes any more.	11:32
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LaserJock	yeah, and the doc team box too :(	11:35
LaserJock	although I never needed root there	11:35
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Fujitsu	On the plus side, they might be on not entirely crap hardware, and even boot with a > Breezy kernel!	11:39
NeilW	ajmitch: ?? - those bug statuses are tricky. There appears to be one missing - between In Progress and Committed. Suggestions?	11:42
Fujitsu	Hum, weren't they a few months back saying they couldn't possibly give ubuntu-dev webspace like people.ubuntu.com because that would imply letting non-Canonical people into the DC?	11:42
ajmitch	Fujitsu: it's ok, it's an excuse for us to move to packages in PPAs & just having a commenting frontend :)	11:43
ScottK	Shudder.	11:43
ajmitch	Fujitsu: because people.ubuntu.com was on a box which had other stuff on it as well	11:44
LaserJock	NeilW: In Progress mean's it it is being worked on, which includes waiting for sponsorship	11:44
LaserJock	Fujitsu: I think there's a DMZ that they let non-Canonical people on to	11:44
ajmitch	a MOTU doing sponsoring would probably see 'fix committed' and assume that the fix had been uploaded	11:45
NeilW	Altered. bug 88000	11:47
ubotu	Launchpad bug 88000 in libgems-ruby "bash completion for RubyGems" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/88000	11:47
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Philip5	hi guys! i have a question about how to make a symlink in a debian/rule... i'm packing a build made with scons and need to symlink a lib that i have moved in to package place with install -m 644 /path/to/lib /package/usr/lib	11:50
Philip5	what is the correct way to make a working symlink in debian/tmp/usr/lib ?	11:51
TheMuso	RainCT: Has anybody merged your tree yet?	11:51
ajmitch	probably dh_link, though it's not clear why symlinking in /usr/lib is needed	11:51
TheMuso	superm1: Has live-autostart been uploaded?	11:52
superm1	TheMuso, yes	11:52
TheMuso	Ok then.	11:52
superm1	bddebian uploaded it for me a little bit ago	11:52
superm1	thanks for checking in with it	11:52
TheMuso	np	11:52
TheMuso	I just saw your message in my away log.	11:52
Philip5	ajmitch: i'll have a look at dh_link then	11:52
superm1	i've still got to find a motu who knows a bit about seeds who can give a good look over the -meta however	11:53
justinwray	norsetto: You around?	11:53
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norsetto	justinwray: sure,whats up?	11:54
justinwray	Was wondering if you had heard back from mvo?	11:55
RainCT	TheMuso: no, go on please :)	11:55
norsetto	justinwray: talked with him this morning; he has a pretty bad backlog of mail to go through	11:55
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TheMuso	RainCT: Ok will do.	11:56
justinwray	norsetto: Okay, no problem.	11:57
ScottK	superm1: I suspect you'll want an archive person for that. Among the MOTUs, AFAIK, Hobbsee would be your best bet.	11:57
norsetto	justinwray: in any case, if you need help just shout here	11:57
superm1	ScottK, yea she looked it over briefly. She wasn't positive about it though	11:57
superm1	its hard for me to catch her to discuss further though, as she comes on around 2am my time	11:58
justinwray	norsetto: Sounds good, thanks again.	11:58
ScottK	I'd ask pitti, Mithrandir, or Riddell.	11:58
norsetto	justinwray: np	11:58
ScottK	They'll have to live with whatever crack we upload.	11:58
superm1	are they MOTU too or just core-dev?	11:58
ScottK	Infinity is here sometimes too.	11:58
ScottK	They are core-dev and archive admins.	11:59
TheMuso	RainCT: Merged without issue, and now pushing up.	11:59
superm1	ScottK, that's what i had thought	11:59
superm1	well i'll watch out in -devel then for one of them	11:59
superm1	see if i can steal a few moments	11:59
RainCT	TheMuso: cool, thanks :)	12:00
TheMuso	RainCT: Pushed up to revision 38.	12:02
Riddell	superm1: you want to ask something?	12:04
superm1	Riddell, yes, i was hoping to find someone to do a proper look over mythbuntu-mtea	12:05
superm1	to make sure that my seed use was correct	12:05
superm1	and such	12:05
Riddell	superm1: where are the seed files?	12:05
superm1	Riddell, packaging is here: "bzr branch http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~mythbuntu/mythbuntu/mythbuntu-meta" Seeds bzr branch are linked within the update script in the packaging	12:06
superm1	seeds: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~mythbuntu/ubuntu-seeds/mythbuntu.gutsy	12:07
Riddell	superm1: you've added your packages to the live seed, they should be added to the desktop seed	12:11
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superm1	Riddell, the thing is we dont have a desktop seed	12:12
superm1	our standalone seed is like a desktop seed	12:12
superm1	the live is only used for the build process	12:12
Riddell	you do have a desktop seed, but you don't seem to use it	12:14

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