=== tgm4883 [n=tgm4883@c-67-160-174-176.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:21] would it be possible for someone to sync the revu keyring [12:23] it would [12:23] you have to ask a REVU admin for that I guess [12:23] ah === zul_ [n=chuck@mail.edgewater.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu === zul [n=chuck@ubuntu/member/zul] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:24] afternoon [12:26] so how do I assign the bug to myself and set it to "in progress"? if I'm prepping a new package? === Zic [n=Zic@Final-Fantasy.FF-IRC.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:27] mtaylor: why do you need that? [12:27] You can of course file a bug "include in ubuntu", set it "in progress" and assign to yourself, this does not mean that your package will be automatically accepted, though. [12:28] coNP: sure. I'm just trying to walk through the steps on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Contributing [12:28] mtaylor: that is in section "Preparing Patches" that is for bugfixes [12:29] Applies not for new packages IMO [12:29] it's in the "Preparing New Packages" section too... but I'm happy to skip it if I don't need it. === Ash-Fox [i=UNKNOWN@fgd182.internetdsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #Ubuntu-motu [12:30] That is for packages requested. [12:30] But you can file it so that it can be seen that someone is working on that. [12:30] On the other hand it might be useful to ask someone to confirm it. === justinwray [n=justinwr@c-68-34-224-91.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Pumpernickel [n=Pumperni@about/essy/bacon/PuMpErNiCkLe] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:35] coNP: and so I put Ubuntu MOTU as Maintainer if I'm going to upload to REVU? [12:37] or, Ubuntu MOTU Developers , rather, right? then how does GPG know who to sign the package as? [12:37] it gets that from the changelog entry [12:38] huh. well I'll be. no NMU complaining message :) === [GruncH] [n=gruncho@190-76-20-158.dyn.movilnet.com.ve] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:47] You will _always_ get NMU complaining messages :) [12:47] And unknown distribution errors as well. [12:47] From REVU at least [12:48] coNP: ok. fair enough. [12:49] coNP: If I've got the package in a PPA, can I just use that URL and ask for comments? [12:49] or should I still use REVU [12:49] I guess the wiki pages say REVU, but mostly depends on your sponsors / mentors. [12:49] ok. thanks === jml [n=jml@ppp121-44-218-164.lns1.hba1.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === doko_ [n=doko@dslb-088-073-091-031.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:59] when I'm running debuild -S, what determines whether it's going to include the orig tarball in the upload? [01:00] the -sa option [01:00] geser: thanks! [01:04] so, revu.tauware.de doesn't seem to be so responsive... [01:05] *roflamo* http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wwLrgxtALWs [01:05] mtaylor: I can confirm :( [01:12] so, not to be a broken record, but not I'm just curious - what screen in launchpad do I need to go to so I can assign a bug to myself and mark it "in progress" ? [01:13] nevermind [01:13] I found it. [01:13] it was not obvious to me that I should click the triangle to get to that info, when there are links on the left... === beirut [n=ryan@c-71-56-136-241.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === alex-weej [n=alex@cpc2-darl3-0-0-cust237.midd.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === wfarr [n=wfarr@adsl-211-160-145.asm.bellsouth.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:26] anybody feel like reviewing a package for me? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/130740 [01:26] Launchpad bug 130740 in Ubuntu "[needs-packaging] mysql-proxy" [Wishlist,In progress] [01:27] ha. look at that. :) [01:30] mtaylor: It'd be a lot easier for me to give it a quick review if it was on REVU. Sorry, no time for a detailed look now. [01:31] ScottK: thanks... trying to upload to REVU as well, but it doesn't seem to be so healthy - no rush in any case [01:31] OK. [01:31] mtaylor: wrong version number: the first upload to Ubuntu should have 0.6.0-0ubuntu1 [01:31] aha! [01:31] that's why it didn't want to make an orig.tar.gz upload. [01:32] and as the license is GPL-2 only, link to the version one (/usr/share/common-licenses/GPL-2) [01:33] that should be unrelated [01:37] geser: should I re-version number stuff, or should I just know that for next time? [01:38] I'm not sure if ppa will accept an upload with an lower version number [01:38] yeah - I don't think it will - but I think it's getting a delete button RSN === jsgotangco [n=JSG@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:39] I'll fix it for the REVU upload [01:39] If the COPYRIGHT file doesn't mention some of the authors in the source, I should still mention them in the debian/copyright file, right? [01:39] for the next time: use something like 0.6.0-0ubuntu1~ppa1 which is always smaller 0.6.0-0ubuntu1 but you can increase the number after the ppa [01:40] will do [01:40] bmm: right, a wrong COPYRIGHT file is no excuse to omit them also in debian/copyright [01:41] geser: though so, but wanted to make sure before compiling the whole list ;-) Thanks! === fatsheep [n=fatsheep@74-133-190-166.dhcp.insightbb.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === fatsheep [n=fatsheep@74-133-190-166.dhcp.insightbb.com] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === lmr_ [n=lmr@201.82.51.164] has joined #ubuntu-motu === effie_jayx [n=valles@200.71.131.46] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:02] geser: is there anyone we should ping about REVU being down? === justinwray [n=justinwr@c-68-34-224-91.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:04] mtaylor: I guess siretart, but he is sleeping now. Try to reach him during the european day. [02:04] k will do === robitaille [n=robitail@ubuntu/member/robitaille] has joined #ubuntu-motu === justinwray [n=justinwr@c-68-34-224-91.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:25] Is the debian/copyright file UTF-8? (or, what to do with special characters?) === beirut [n=ryan@c-71-56-136-241.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Ex-Chat"] [02:41] bmm: It should be UTF-8, yes. [02:42] Fujitsu: thanks! couldn't find it in the policy, so I'm glad you could awnser it :-) Thanks again. === guest22 [n=brendt@c-76-26-103-132.hsd1.nm.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === macd [n=d@adsl-150-25-229.aby.bellsouth.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === brylie [n=brylie@CPE-75-81-97-106.kc.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === macd [n=d@cl-151.ewr-01.us.sixxs.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Fujitsu [n=fujitsu@ubuntu/member/fujitsu] has joined #ubuntu-motu === bddebian [n=bdefrees@c-71-224-172-103.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:14] Heya gang [03:14] Hi bddebian. [03:15] Hi Fujitsu === StevenK waves [03:15] Heya StevenK [03:15] I see you've taken over? :-) [03:16] Hey bddebian! Review xserver-xgl! :) [03:16] bddebian: Taken over ... ? [03:17] StevenK: I'm kidding. I see that you are pretty active! :-) [03:17] RAOF: Oh yeah, sure :-) [03:17] bddebian: Fairly. :-) [03:18] Unless bddebian is kidding, that is so the first time that RAOF's suggestion of reviewing has worked. [03:18] heh === astro76 [n=james@unaffiliated/astro76] has joined #ubuntu-motu === lmr__ [n=lmr@201.82.51.164] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:20] I think I'm going to have to re-learn everything :'-( === ..[topic/#ubuntu-motu:Fujitsu] : Ubuntu Masters of the Universe: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU | Want to get involved with the MOTUs? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Contributing | http://ubuntu.joejaxx.org/ - TOP 10 Uploaders/Packages | REVU down until some time Wednesday (UTC-5) === beuno [n=martin@ubuntu/member/beuno] has joined #ubuntu-motu === amachu [n=amachu@122.164.55.139] has joined #ubuntu-motu === javier_galicia [n=Javier@189.130.233.249] has joined #ubuntu-motu === radamantis [n=radamant@201.137.28.177] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jetsaredi1 [n=jgreenwa@pool-151-203-229-111.bos.east.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:39] how do I find out what packages depend on a given package? [03:40] apt-cache rdepends packagname [03:40] IIRC that just gives you the direct dependencies. [03:44] bddebian: Are you serious? [03:44] That would be cool if you were :) [03:44] About what, re-learning everything? [03:44] No, about xgl. [03:45] I'm not sure I even feel qualified atm :-( [03:45] :( [03:45] Heh. RAOF looses again. [03:46] loses, even [03:46] I'm going to have to apply for MOTU in order to actually adopt xgl, aren't I? [03:46] bddebian: You NEVER feel qualified. [03:46] Sure, why not RAOF? :_) [03:46] That's no excuse not to review his package. [03:46] RAOF: You mean, Fujitsu, Hobbsee and I haven't convinced you to apply yet? [03:46] ScottK: Probably because I'm not :-) [03:46] Never stopped you before. [03:47] StevenK: Oh, no. I do intend to apply. This will just force me to move up my schedule :) [03:47] Heh [03:47] You have "apply for -dev" and "apply for -core-dev" on a calendar somewhere? :-) [03:48] Heh. === superm1 [n=superm1@ubuntu/member/superm1] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:50] Hmm, REVU is down? [03:51] appears so. [03:51] bddebian: /topic ; Fujitsu even set it while you were here. [03:52] Yeah yeah, I know [03:55] RAOF: I guess your hosted then :-) [03:55] Err hosed even [03:55] bddebian: Nah, xserver-xgl is a bzr branch on LP. [03:55] bzr, pfft [03:56] And, if push comes to shove, on cooperteam.net [03:56] There is no escape! [03:56] Sure there is === zul [n=chuck@CPE0006258ec6c1-CM000a73655d0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:58] Uhm, cooperteam.net just has .debs [04:01] bddebian: Yeah, but if LP went down I'd push my xgl tree there. [04:01] bzr push, bzr shove? [04:01] Well I'm all the way up to the code is a poorly thought out mess, but it works. [04:02] I don't think bzr likes getting shoved. [04:02] Now to make it look like I thought about it before I threw it together. [04:03] StevenK: Don't ask me, ask RAOF. He was talking about bzr and pushing and shoving. === bddebian shoves bzr off a cliff === desertc__ [n=mmm@c-68-52-118-61.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ajmitch sighs [04:11] :-) [04:11] Missed me didn't ya? :) === Fujitsu kicks whoever installed the new network infrastructure in the new rooms. === Fujitsu doesn't like thye switches doing crazy things and flooding the network with 40000 UDP packets per second. [04:12] s/y// [04:13] Sounds like an opportunity to exercise your iptables foo. [04:14] I started Wireshark to see what was causing all the traffic, and it took about 3 seconds to eat all my RAM :( [04:14] bddebian: I did? [04:14] Sounds like time for tcpdump then. [04:16] ajmitch: Of course you did :-) [04:16] nasty, tracker is back on my system === enyc_ [n=enyc@1337.whitehorse.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ajmitch removes with a vengeance [04:16] Heh, ubuntu-desktop depends now, doesn't it? [04:16] I hope it only recommends [04:16] So do I, but you never know. [04:16] I like my laptop to be usable, thanks [04:16] Is it really that bad? [04:18] not quite that bad, but it does thrash the disk a bit === ajmitch will see if it indexes the disk before I leave work today [04:19] How does it compare to Beagle? [04:19] Presumably it eats a bit less RAM. [04:19] sure, which is why I don't run beagle on there either :) [04:20] hm, I guess I won't get f-spot 0.4.0 in before tribe 4 freeze [04:20] oh well [04:20] What's new in it? [04:20] addins [04:20] Is it a bit more sane? [04:20] new query stuff [04:21] I haven't really tested it [04:21] I was hoping it wouldn't be so "nyahahah all your photos are MINE!" [04:21] I doubt it's going to change its design quite like that [04:21] Darn. [04:21] though it should be able to keep its catalogue without copying all the photos [04:22] one of the main things though is plugging in a camera & photos are copied [04:26] Why would they remove the need for copying it? That would be efficient and make sense. [04:26] Whats LVM currently like in gutsy? [04:26] I've been using it fine since the start. [04:26] TheMuso: It works? [04:26] TheMuso: All my systems use it. [04:26] Ok. [04:26] I won't be using it for any data critical stuff yet. [04:26] Even snapshots, unlike for some of Feisty. [04:27] heh cool. [04:28] Yay! Compiz-git is now broken on Ubuntu! Finally, people will need to use an actual release! [04:29] heh [04:30] Please, can we make sure that a libxcb-enabled libx11 doesn't make it into gutsy? It'd be awesome to break the community's git addiction :) [04:30] Haha. [04:30] Also: "nesl247)) Releases are as useful as git code. It's the same thing as git code, except it's a checkout of a certain date and time" [04:32] -headdesk- === RAOF is *pretty* sure they're a Gentoo user :) [04:32] RAOF: is it? [04:33] RAOF: I *just* upgraded my laptop (it was about 6 weeks out of date) and compiz still works [04:33] 6 weeks? Ouch. [04:33] yeah, about 1400 packages [04:33] ajmitch: Yes. Compiz HEAD now requires libx11-xcb to build. [04:33] Heh. [04:33] ajmitch: Oh, no. Our *packages* work, 'cause they're now based off an actual *release* :) [04:33] took most of the morning to just install them & restart apt-get/aptitude several times === ScottK shakes his fist at calc. [04:34] Still no OOO in Gutsy in Kubuntu.... === guest22 [n=brendt@c-76-26-103-132.hsd1.nm.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === caravena [n=caravena@pc-84-203-83-200.cm.vtr.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:45] ScottK: good to get opinions on motu applications === ajmitch is trying to catch up, as you may have seen :) === StevenK chuckles. [04:47] Screaming to sabdfl for help after his important packages had been left unreviewed for a whole 3 hours is going to take me a while to get over. [04:47] haha [04:47] hehe [04:48] I made sure I had the dates and times in my logs to back me up before I sent that one too. === ajmitch needs to get an ubuntu sticker for the laptop === ScottK notes the new kernel downloading and hopes for his CPU fan to start working again with this one. === ScottK is getting tired of running the laptop sitting on a bag of ice water. [04:51] ajmitch: Have you not ordered a batch of CDs in the past 14 months? [04:51] Fujitsu: I mean a small one [04:52] Oh, those. [04:52] ScottK: What kind of laptop/CPU? [04:52] There is a NZ distributor now, AFAIK. [04:52] I already have a larger ubuntu sticker on the lid to cover the shame of the acer logo [04:52] there has been an NZ distributor for awhile [04:52] Heh. [04:52] justinwray: Ancient Dell Latitude L400 [04:52] ajmitch: Whats wrong with Acer? [04:52] Fan works on Feisty, not on Gutsy. [04:52] I cut out the logo from one of the larger ones to stick over the Dell cirlce. [04:52] *circle [04:52] justinwray: just ask mjg59 about acer & acpi [04:53] ScottK: I'll check my stock pile, I have some old dell laptops around. I'll see if I can find a working headsink. If you want? [04:53] It's OK. It's a kernel bug. [04:54] The fan is fine, just doens't get turned on. [04:54] Ah, I missed that part... [04:54] When I swap back to my Feisty hard drive, no troubles. [04:54] Was only half paying attention, I saw you say you were running on a bag of ice. [04:54] No problem. [04:55] ajmitch: Well, it might not be the best with acpi, but things are getting better. But for the price, they are damn good. I got a UK version of the 5000 series. With the Atheros chipset. [04:55] Actually I have enough parts to assemble at least one or two more L400's here. [04:55] LOL [04:55] I've been buying them up on ebay because I really like the form factor. === jsgotangco [n=JSG@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:55] hey jsgotangco [04:55] My wife and I both use one. === robitaille [n=robitail@ubuntu/member/robitaille] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:56] hi! === Fujitsu bows. [04:57] Heya jsgotangco [05:02] bddebian: good thing you're back to tackle the bug mountain & the broken packages [05:03] Yeah, good thing :-) === alex_mayorga [n=alex_may@189.156.200.107] has joined #ubuntu-motu === dthacker [n=dthacker@ip68-107-233-209.om.om.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === effie_jayx [n=valles@ubuntu/member/effie-jayx] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Simon80 [n=Simon80@CPE00e098558963-CM000a7363ecf6.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Dessan [n=andrew@ip68-105-63-168.pn.at.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:28] Deluge. Because changelogs are for wusses. [05:28] Why must the software I care about have unhelpful upstreams? [05:29] RAOF: Because they hate you. Only you. It's all about you, after all ... :-P [05:29] I'm sure *some* upstreams are good. Why not mine? [05:29] :P- [05:30] Because they know you? [05:30] heh, nice group :-) === pyc [n=loell@125.60.189.34] has joined #ubuntu-motu === radamantis [n=radamant@201.137.28.177] has joined #ubuntu-motu === mruiz [n=mruiz@ubuntu/member/mruiz] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Burgundavia [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #ubuntu-motu === mario_ [n=mario@158-159.dsl.iskon.hr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === apachelogger_ [n=me@N712P015.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #ubuntu-motu === AstralJava [n=jaska@e82-103-196-97.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jml [n=jml@ppp121-44-218-164.lns1.hba1.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === mario__ [n=mario@131-14.dsl.iskon.hr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:01] Anyone from Tennessee? [07:01] oops, mt [07:12] I hear Kenny Chesney and Peyton Manning are === mario__ [n=mario@158-159.dsl.iskon.hr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === amachu [n=amachu@202.71.146.210] has joined #ubuntu-motu === viviersf [n=cain@gw.impilinux.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-motu === xstasi [n=xstasi@85-18-14-24.fastres.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jsgotangco [n=JSG@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-motu === crevette [n=crevette@man06-2-88-167-44-76.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Nightrose [n=lydia@port-87-234-149-196.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Q-FUNK [n=q-funk@dsl-hkibras1-ff55c300-121.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Nergar [n=Nergar@189.141.119.191] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:44] hello [08:45] anyone know why jedit isn't in the repositories? [08:46] Either it hasn't been packaged yet, or it has not yet been s ynced from Debian. [08:46] Nergar: DO you know if it is in Debian? [08:46] idk [08:46] Ok, I'll have a look. === neversfelde|mobi [n=neversfe@82.113.121.1] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:48] Ok its not in Debian either. [08:48] I would advise filing a package request bug. [08:49] in debian? [08:49] or launchpad? === Zic [n=Zic@Final-Fantasy.FF-IRC.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:50] Launchpad is fine, but if you would like to see it in Debian, filing it with Debian would be preferable. [08:50] I would do both [08:51] you can link the debian bug report from the LP one [08:53] i can't believe such a powerful programing tool isn't included in either one === crevette_ [n=crevette@man06-2-88-167-44-76.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:53] No one likes java ;) [08:53] java had serious freedom issues until recently === Lure [n=lure@ubuntu/member/lure] has joined #ubuntu-motu === apachelogger__ [n=me@N712P015.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #ubuntu-motu === radamantis [n=radamant@201.137.28.177] has joined #ubuntu-motu === vil [n=lada@ubuntu/member/vil] has joined #ubuntu-motu === coNP [n=conp@unaffiliated/conp] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Nergar [n=Nergar@189.141.119.191] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Hi,] [09:12] !info xpdf gutsy [09:12] xpdf: Portable Document Format (PDF) suite. In component universe, is optional. Version 3.02-1ubuntu1 (gutsy), package size 1 kB, installed size 36 kB [09:12] !info xpdf sid [09:12] xpdf: Portable Document Format (PDF) suite. In component main, is optional. Version 3.02-1 (sid), package size 1 kB, installed size 36 kB [09:13] there is an NMU coming into sid. You might want to check, if the patch is included in the gutsy version and if not sync :) [09:13] morning [09:13] oh, revu down :( [09:13] siretart: good afternoon :) [09:13] hey white! [09:13] morgen siretart [09:14] hallo coNP :) === Zic [n=Zic@Final-Fantasy.FF-IRC.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:16] hi siretart === enyc [n=enyc@194.154.175.247] has joined #ubuntu-motu === fraco [n=fraco@213.219.142.50.adsl.dyn.edpnet.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:26] hey ajmitch [09:34] <\sh> moins siretart, ajmitch === never|mobi [n=neversfe@mue-88-130-68-016.dsl.tropolys.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:37] hi \sh === DarkSun88 [n=Ma@ubuntu/member/darksun88] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:40] Hi all [09:44] hello folks [09:44] Hey === blackskad [n=blackska@d54C4A53D.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-motu === imbrandon [n=root@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.imbrandon] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jussi01 [n=jussi@dyn3-82-128-187-249.psoas.suomi.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Lure [n=lure@ubuntu/member/lure] has joined #ubuntu-motu === stgraber [n=stgraber@dakara.stgraber.org] has joined #ubuntu-motu === dharrigan [n=david@host12.williamhill.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-motu === neversfelde [n=neversfe@82.113.106.1] has joined #ubuntu-motu === CrummyGummy [n=CrummyGu@dsl-244-247-163.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-motu === tedp [n=midg3t@CPE-121-210-214-3.qld.bigpond.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:26] There is a new version of ccontrol in Debian (arrived a couple of days ago) that could be pulled into Ubuntu. Doing so would probably fix Ubuntu bug #109157. [10:26] bug 109157 [10:26] Launchpad bug 109157 in ccontrol "ccontrol SEGVs on startup" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/109157 === zul [n=chuck@CPE0006258ec6c1-CM000a73655d0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ivoks [n=ivoks@ubuntu/member/ivoks] has joined #ubuntu-motu === tedp [n=midg3t@CPE-121-210-214-3.qld.bigpond.net.au] has left #ubuntu-motu ["thanks"] === thekorn [n=thekorn@a89-182-26-105.net-htp.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === PriceChild [n=pricechi@ubuntu/member/pdpc.supporter.student.PriceChild] has joined #ubuntu-motu === iceman [n=iceman@200.199-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #ubuntu-motu === fredix [n=fredix@86.67.45.158] has joined #ubuntu-motu === zul [n=chuck@CPE0006258ec6c1-CM000a73655d0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === RainCT [n=RainCT@unaffiliated/rainct] has joined #ubuntu-motu === norsetto [n=norsetto@host110-217-dynamic.20-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:59] Hi [11:00] Hi world!/n === jussi01 [n=jussi@dyn3-82-128-187-249.psoas.suomi.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:00] hiya [11:00] could a U-U-S look at #108742 please? [11:01] bug 108742 [11:01] Launchpad bug 108742 in acidrip "no icon in kde menu" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/108742 [11:01] Hobbsee: anything to keep me busy today? [11:01] oh, that one === LucidFox [n=sikon@wikia/Sikon] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:01] norsetto: hmmm. not off the top of my head. i'm not really in the loop at the moment [11:02] Hobbsee: sure [11:02] and of course, people like Q-FUNK make me feel less motivated to do anything in MOTU. [11:02] norsetto: apt-cache unmet -i | grep Package tends to be a good start [11:02] (it's waiting since like 15 days.. for me it's no problem, but the debdiff is from a new guy and I think it's more motivating if it gets accepted soon :P) [11:02] if you're wanting to fix unmet deps [11:02] RainCT: someone has to know what the correct stuff is, though === ajmitch hopes that his box will actually reboot correctly [11:03] Hobbsee: was this meant to be a smart comment? you're one regularly throwing a tantrum here. === jussi01 [n=jussi@dyn3-82-128-187-249.psoas.suomi.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:03] Hobbsee: what do you mean? [11:03] ... [11:04] oh dear [11:04] RainCT: as in, someone has to know the patch is correct, before uploading it [11:05] Q-FUNK: tantrum? sorry, i cant define telling people to get their act in gear, and not file mass bugs that are wrong a tantrum. unless there's a new definition of tantrum which means "a person telling someone else what they do not want to hear" [11:05] Hobbsee: of course. you could test it ;P [11:06] Hobbsee: you keep on acting like an offended diva. grow up. [11:06] RainCT: this is true. i may do that [11:06] :) [11:06] Q-FUNK: I suggest you stop with the offensive comments now [11:07] ajmitch: I will when she does, sorry. === jussi01 [n=jussi@dyn3-82-128-187-249.psoas.suomi.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:07] That's about as childish as, "She started it!" [11:07] Q-FUNK: Please take your own advice. === Hobbsee sighs [11:08] *sigh* [11:08] whatever, folks. [11:08] ajmitch: can you be the person who next has a go at the people who submit incorrect bugs, particularly multiple ones of them? [11:08] ajmitch: then you can see what they'll come up to call you :) [11:08] Hobbsee: sure, though the CC may have a few complaints about me [11:08] er, come up with [11:09] ajmitch: heh :) [11:11] ajmitch: i'm really starting to wonder if people are going to get offended at being told that what they're filing is incorrect, no matter who does it. perhaps we set up a rotating roster, of people who enlighten people who's bugs are wrong. or just mark them as invalid, silently. === norsetto ponders if the 3 bugs he subscribed u-u-s to could be considered "file mass bugs that are wrong" [11:12] 3 bugs makes not a mass bug filing [11:12] Hobbsee: it's not in telling people if they missed a procedure. it's int he way you do it that is not acceptable. === norsetto relaxes and takes the hockey mask down ...... [11:13] norsetto: of course, it helps if they're right, too :) === blackskad [n=blackska@d54C4A53D.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:13] Q-FUNK: possibly. i think i've been to work too much. === Hobbsee makes a note to talk around the bush to them instead, not telling them that they've screwed up, not telling them to think about what they're doing... [11:14] Hobbsee: "sugar-coat" === Hobbsee appears to come from a different planet, where people are expected to look and read and think a little. help is given to those who have done so. [11:14] StevenK: that's the one. === ajmitch waits for X to go insane on the laptop again [11:17] ajmitch: feel like examining https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xgl/+bug/126255 please? [11:17] Launchpad bug 126255 in xserver-xgl "FTBFS" [Undecided,Confirmed] [11:17] I managed to login, have a desktop, and then X died & wouldn't restart without a reboot... [11:17] ajmitch: impressive! [11:17] Hobbsee: no I don't, I'm trying to upgrade stuff on my box & will reboot soon (hopefully) :) [11:18] ajmitch: darn :) === Hobbsee works her way thru the u-u-s queue a bit [11:18] you can't get me to look at xgl that easily [11:19] hah === ajmitch guesses that the RAID will need a resync once the box is started [11:20] assuming it boots that far [11:21] there's a world of difference between *demanding* explanations versus pointing an issue out. [11:21] my goodness [11:21] it mounted the root filesystem without having to wait 10 minutes & run lvm by hand! [11:21] ajmitch: *gasp* [11:21] probably the first time for ~6 months :) === SWAT [n=SWAT@ubuntu/member/swat] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:22] Q-FUNK: this is true. call it the toned down reaction of "what the hell do you think you're doing?" [11:23] and "why do you think you suddenly get to skip the processes?" [11:23] self-righteous. again. === Gasten [n=Gasten@h52n9c1o1095.bredband.skanova.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Hobbsee ponders this scheme48 bug [11:23] Hobbsee: your attitude is unproductive. [11:24] Q-FUNK: calling someone self-righteous rarely helps the matter [11:24] Hey, Hobbsee, speaking of the u-u-s queue, to bug 130364. I did a gutsy pbuilder build as well that worked fine. Only FYI, no pushing intended :) [11:24] Launchpad bug 130364 in tilda "Please sync tilda (universe) from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/130364 [11:25] ajmitch: please drop it. [11:25] Q-FUNK: granted. will attempt to improve it. [11:25] Q-FUNK: but please, read the docs and such before you do large amounts of stuff, again. [11:25] aw darn, kmos isnt around [11:26] while we were on the subject, i was going to tell him that he was doing a great job [11:26] heh [11:26] YOU GUYS ROCK. Thank you for your help. [11:27] Q-FUNK: the self righteous offended diva will ignore your stuff from now on. happy? === TheMuso pitches in with uus. [11:28] TheMuso: great :) [11:28] TheMuso: i dont suppose you'd be interested in that xgl, or some of the other bugs lingering there? [11:28] Hobbsee: sad to see it go that far, but fair enough. [11:28] <\sh> how nice...ubuntu linux on dell comes to europe === tudenbart [n=willi@xdsl-81-173-230-14.netcologne.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:29] bug 130648 [11:29] Hobbsee: I'll just work from bottom upwards for the moment. [11:29] Launchpad bug 130648 in devscripts "requestsync: guess whether sponsor is requested automatically" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/130648 [11:29] Okay, then I bug TheMuso as well with MyFavouritePetBug :) === tudenbart is now known as dothebart === norsetto is glad he is not the only one to make silly typing mistakes [11:29] it's not the silver bullet, but it would help a lot if this were implemented. [11:30] Q-FUNK: unfortunately, membership gives the ubuntu.com address, not MOTU. [11:30] so detecting by ubuntu.com address wouldnt help - you'd really need a DB of all the public keys of the MOTU's, and to compare it that way. which is rather unfeasible. === ajmitch should expire as both motu & member soonish [11:30] Likewise, if someone needs sponsorship, it implies that the bug should NOT be marked as Confirmed automatically in the syn request message's body. [11:30] ^ already happens [11:31] Hobbsee: yes, pitti already pointed that out. still, members would already know a lot more about the correct procedures than outsiders. [11:31] Don't we have some remote LP interfaces? [11:31] coNP: gpg signed mail? yes [11:31] E.g. bughelper uses somethign like thes. [11:31] Not thiniking of gpg signed mails :) [11:31] Q-FUNK: btw, there is a manpage there now. or will be, after the freeze. unsure [11:31] coNP: oh, there's text modes, iirc [11:31] Hobbsee: yes, I recall seeing that here last night. [11:31] Just that you could be able to fetch the members of a group === ajmitch watches his battery life die due to tracker evils [11:32] coNP: yes, that's possible - slightly slow though === stgraber [n=stgraber@dakara.stgraber.org] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:32] Okay you don't file sync requests all the time. [11:32] eg https://launchpad.net/~motu/+rdf [11:32] At least you shouldn't :) [11:32] Hobbsee: It was built and published last night. [11:33] Hobbsee: (devscripts with requestsync manual page) [11:33] coNP: particularly as MOTU gets bigger, that gets longer. syncing the keyring for revu takes 10-15 minutes. i dont remember which [11:33] StevenK: neat! [11:33] Q-FUNK: there you go then. [11:33] coNP: most of that is due to gpg taking a long time [11:33] s/conP/hobbsee/ [11:33] Hobbsee: here, i just "fixed" the issue by making an alias where requestsync is really 'requestsync -s' but this might not be so obvious to any random debian or ubuntu user who just means well by reporting a newer package. [11:33] That is okay. But for having a look at some format of https://launchpad.net/~motu/+rdf should be done in some seconds. [11:34] That could be feasible with requestsync, IMHO. [11:34] ajmitch: true that [11:34] The version of Q-FUNK seems very reasonable for me. For those, who know they are MOTUs, can unalias. === ajmitch hopes that the new motu-uvf team gets put in place soon [11:37] ajmitch: the votes were done, so... [11:37] but dholbach is on holiday [11:37] ajmitch: i'm assuming it'll wait till dholbach gets back, unless someone pushes it [11:37] and he's the only group admin [11:37] ajmitch: LP guys probably wouldnt say no to giving someone else admin rights [11:37] so the rest of us can get kicked off the team [11:37] (about time, too) [11:37] (they didtn for irc, where Seveas took a sabatical) [11:37] heh :) === ajmitch kills trackerd & sees the expected battery life gain some time [11:39] ajmitch: Sounds lovely. CPU hog I assume. [11:39] TheMuso: at least it runs niced so it doesn't put the cpu at full speed [11:39] but it hits the disk a lot [11:39] Right. [11:39] coNP: btw, when you make uploads which add patches, could you add the name of the patch into the changelog each time? (i'm looking at tilda) === coNP does === ajmitch would love to upload this new f-spot [11:40] It is a shame, I did not :) [11:40] ajmitch: you can. it'll sit in the queue, though [11:40] coNP: :) [11:40] I can [11:40] coNP: yeah, i thought you usually did [11:40] but it still segfaults mono on exit [11:40] Hobbsee: yeah, this is an old of mine. Actually I wonder why that got uploaded. I did a bugfix without using the patch system. [11:41] lp #63098 [11:41] Launchpad bug 63098 in tilda "Tilda segfaults if hotkeys are not prefixed (eventually with "None+")" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/63098 [11:41] Yes, this is the debdiff that should not have been even accepted :) [11:41] heh [11:41] oh well. [11:41] Hobbsee: now this is fixed in Debian. === Hobbsee ack's the sync, still being unable to tell if all the changes are actually there :) [11:42] coNP: yeah, that's waht i'd guessed from the debian bug [11:42] Hobbsee: the tilda in Ubuntu now is seriously broken. [11:42] The Debian is good. :) [11:42] oh dear [11:42] Has the patches, and only the patches that are needed. [11:42] yep [11:43] shame, f-spot doesn't have facebook or myspace export support yet :) === TheMuso is working on telepathy-gabble [11:43] ajmitch: and picasaweb is br0ken as well :( [11:43] Just waiting for it to build. [11:43] coNP: I have 0.4.0 [11:43]